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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw if you add a 25th array element of 53 to end of rx51_temp_table1, you can save the (anyway incorrect) lines 121..123 | 00:01 |
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| Pali | it is correct :-) for temperature 54°C there is no RAW value (look at formula and try to assign) | 00:07 |
| Pali | only 55°C and 53°C | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (incorrect since for all other raw values you pick the next lower index (with next lower raw value) in rx51_temp_table2 aiui, in return (rx51_temp_table2_first - min) * 100;) | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | only for this special case you return next higher value | 00:08 |
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| vi__ | sweet | 00:10 |
| vi__ | ghostery seems to work with microb. | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but since there's no gap in your raw values between last index of tab1 (24) and lowest value in tab2[0], the case is fictive anyway | 00:10 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, no, now I see that line 122 is redundant and it is always false | 00:12 |
| Pali | if raw == 24 then rx51_temp_table1[24] is returned | 00:13 |
| Pali | if raw == 25 then binary search loop in rx51_temp_table2 is performed | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and if your tables would look different (e.g. value of tab2[0]=30) then adding 30 as last value to tab1 would catch that again | 00:13 |
| Pali | sizeof(table1)/sizeof(table1[0]) is 25 | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: exactly what I tried to tell you, when I said "case is fictive", so why "no"? | 00:14 |
| Pali | it always return ceil(convert(raw)) | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you do return (rx51_temp_table2_first - min) * 100 | 00:16 |
| Pali | right, *100 is needed | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (which btw might better look like return (rx51_temp_table2_first - mid) * 100 ?) | 00:16 |
| Pali | I forgot to add *100 | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that too | 00:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and for a fictive raw value of 24.5 it should return 53°C, not 55°C | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E last value in tab1, not first value in tab2 | 00:19 |
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| Pali | ah, now I see what you mean | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since for all other raw values that aren't 'exact' you also pick the next lower raw value's temperature | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a dicontinuity | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though it never will occur | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better have your tab1 and tab2 'overlap' rather than accept gaps between them | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so line 121..123 are incorrect and cruft ;-) | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 125 still missing * 100 | 00:23 |
| Pali | 119, 123 and 125 | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while I rather would return #def for EOUTOFBOUNDS | 00:24 |
| Pali | 121..123 - you need to prevent infinite loop in binary search | 00:24 |
| Pali | see 186, MIN/MAX are ignored | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ohwell, you could just add 1023 aka --(1<<10) to tab2 | 00:26 |
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| Pali | ok, return values are fixed | 00:27 |
| dafox | hi all. I was wondering if anyone here has his n900 working with an DLNA media server for playing music? | 00:27 |
| Pali | now I'm going offline... | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | add 1023 to tab2! ;-) | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | saves line 124..125 | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW why /* Possible correct values which are not in tables */ when you actually can take care there's no such value that's not in the tables? | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw static u8 rx51_temp_table2_first = 53; is useless (better use a #def rx51_temp_table2_first 53) since it never gets changed | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (compiler will take care of it I guess, as it will probably not allign your u8 array like you hope it does) | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm actually almost temped to write an alternative code with only one uniform table with struct tuple {u16 raw; u16 celsius} | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | almost | 00:43 |
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| narcos | Hello all. I'd like to launch a script requiring root from a desktop icon. The only way I've managed to succeed is with a 'loader' script. In my .desktop file I have Exec=osso-xterm -e "sh /bin/loader.sh" and then loader.sh has sudo theRealScript.sh | 01:35 |
| narcos | Is there a way to do this directly? | 01:35 |
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| narcos | Maybe I can rephrase - is there a way to launch osso-xterm directly into a root shell? | 01:46 |
| Skry | narcos: chmod u+s theRealScript.sh ? | 01:46 |
| narcos | Skry: Hm, good point | 01:46 |
| * narcos tries | 01:46 | |
| nox- | suid scripts work? | 01:48 |
| Skry | no idea | 01:49 |
| narcos | it launches, trying to test if I have elevated privs | 01:49 |
| narcos | should 'whoami' report the name of the calling user, or root? | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: nope | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually scripts won't obey SUID | 01:53 |
| nox- | yeah i'd have been surprised | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a system option to allow it (probably compile time option) | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but sh somescript.sh will *never* obey SUID | 01:54 |
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| narcos | Thing is, using the 'launcher' method would be fine (beyond the annoyance), but theRealScript.sh has some code that catches SIGTERM, and gracefully shuts things down. However, hitting ctrl-c via the launcher script doesn't seem to pass the SIGTERM onto theRealScript.sh (unless Im passing the SIGERM along incorrectly)... | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usual way: if ![ $(/usr/bin/whoami) = root]; then exec sudo $0 "$@"; fi; | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and get a proper shebang line and call it directly instead of passing it to sh as a parameter | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get a correct entry in /etc/sudoers.d/<yoursudofile> | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | run update-sudoers, do NOT edit /etc/sudoers | 01:59 |
| narcos | DocScrutinizer05: There are lots of file in /etc/sudoers.d/ - I'm not sure which one I should be looking at..? 'everybody.sudoers' perhaps? | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, what? is there a file called everybody.sudoers? | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OMG | 02:03 |
| narcos | Er, yeah :) | 02:03 |
| narcos | There are 20 files there. | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should create your own file, like every decent other app has | 02:04 |
| narcos | Hmmm | 02:04 |
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| narcos | And this is given that I want the user 'user' to be able to sudo? Even though it already can? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess everybody.sudoers has yust the ultimate fsck-me-please config inside that allows everybody to do everything via sudo | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errwut? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the user wants to sudo <yourfile>, not sudo sudo | 02:06 |
| narcos | Ah, sorry, I think I misunderstood the purpose of the file. | 02:06 |
| narcos | Gotcha. | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if your script is foobar.sh, your sudoers file might be for-fobar.sudoers, and contains >> user ALL = NOPASSWD: /path/to/foobar.sh * << | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I got no everybody.sudoers file | 02:09 |
| narcos | Sweet, it works | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet you got that abomination with some weird crappy pkg like "easy-sudo" or whatever | 02:10 |
| narcos | Not sure - how could I chech? | 02:10 |
| narcos | (to satisfy your curiosity :) ) | 02:10 |
| narcos | s/chech/check/ | 02:10 |
| narcos | # dpkg -l | grep sudo | 02:11 |
| narcos | ii rootsh 1.5 Enable root access, via the "sudo gainroot" | 02:11 |
| narcos | ii sudo 1:1.6.8p12-4osso22+0m5 Provide limited super user privileges to spe | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dpkg -S /etc/sudoers.d/everybody.sudoers | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: ^^^ | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also what actually *is* in this file? | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cat /etc/sudoers.d/everybody.sudoers | 02:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | paste the one relevant line here | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (if it's just one) | 02:17 |
| narcos | user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL | 02:17 |
| narcos | # dpkg -S /etc/sudoers.d/everybody.sudoers | 02:18 |
| narcos | dpkg: /etc/sudoers.d/everybody.sudoers not found. | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, expected as much | 02:18 |
| narcos | What does that tell us? | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a really really terrible idea | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it tells sudo to accept any command from any user, without asking for password | 02:18 |
| narcos | Ah! | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no package feels responsible for that abomination | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably some hacker rooted your device ;-P | 02:19 |
| narcos | LOL - if I was that package, I wouldn't own up either | 02:19 |
| narcos | It's probably the custom install I'm using | 02:20 |
| * narcos checks the setup file | 02:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should delete that friggin file | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the everybody.sudoers | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget to run command update-sudoers | 02:21 |
| narcos | Yeah, I think I will. | 02:21 |
| narcos | So, I use the 'pwnphone' image, because it loads up things like power-kenrnel, scapy, tshark, and other networking things that I need | 02:22 |
| narcos | Once I get stuff working, I'll probably make my own image - if 'image' is the right word | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it already pwnd your phone's sudo | 02:23 |
| narcos | Yeah, seems so | 02:23 |
| narcos | Rascals. | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you're concerned about proper sudo setup, have a look to my tools page to get working ROOTpassword for sudo gainroot | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 02:24 |
| infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still not safe (any attacker can install crap like this everybody.sudoers via HAM still), but at least it feels a tad better first approach when sudo gainroot asks for root password | 02:25 |
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| narcos | DocScrutinizer05: Cool, thanks, I'll check that out. | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 02:27 |
| narcos | Although these devices will largely run unattended, so not requiring a password is a good thing. | 02:27 |
| narcos | Can rather limit it to my scripts. | 02:28 |
| narcos | DocScrutinizer05: How did it come to be that you know so much about Maemo..? | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all proper sudoers files for particular usecases still have NOPASSWD in them | 02:29 |
| narcos | No I mean in general, you seem to grok everything about it. | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the idea how to use sudoers: you define special cases where a program needs root, and you define if this particular case sudo shall ask for password or not | 02:31 |
| narcos | ah right, gotcha | 02:31 |
| narcos | That makes more sense. | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: I'm using linux since >12 years now, I used sun-OS/solaris even before. And I had a job where I had to deal with similar embedded/phone linux | 02:32 |
| narcos | OK, cool :) | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my advice on jrtools just removes NOPASSWD from gainroot, and it sets default config of sudo to ask for root's password, not user's password | 02:33 |
| narcos | neat | 02:34 |
| narcos | Seems like a good idea | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Defaults targetpw" | 02:36 |
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| narcos | I notice on this 'pwnphone' image they launch all their apps via the 'laucher' script approach | 02:36 |
| narcos | I think I'll pass your wisdom along to them | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | your ö | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your line user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL was actually perfectly sane without the NOPASSWD | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (given you have "Defaults targetpw") | 02:43 |
| narcos | ah ok | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | on ubuntu and other crap you have no "Defaults targetpw" afaik, so each "sudo foobar" asks for USER password before executing foobar with root privileges | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is rather silly in my book | 02:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Except that the only point of it is to prevent applications from running without user permissions | 02:46 |
| robbiethe1st | *the user's permission | 02:46 |
| narcos | heh @ 'Ubuntu and other crap'. Does seem a little silly. | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I bet I fool you with a shell 5liner | 02:46 |
| narcos | Oh yeah? | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, since there's no problem to fake sudo output | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is called password skimming | 02:48 |
| narcos | Oh right - yeah, sneaky :) | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and generally user's password shouldn't empower any process to have root permissions | 02:48 |
| robbiethe1st | You're still thinking in terms of multi-user machines | 02:49 |
| narcos | Hadn't thought about it via sudo before, that's a nice idea. I see it more often with fake banking/facebook/gmail/foo web apps | 02:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Versus single-user machine. | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 'm thinking roles instead of users | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is actually how it's once been meant | 02:49 |
| narcos | Ohhhh right | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: FFS promote BM to testing! | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 | 02:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh, is everything else in testing? | 02:52 |
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| robbiethe1st | dependancys | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | PostSuspendum: check your etc/passwd and you'll see that you're always on a multiuser machine on any unix | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dependencies, good point. We'll deal with that later | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or right now | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'll get this to extras, od die | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or* | 02:54 |
| robbiethe1st | Clicking promote now. | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if not even BM makes it to extras, we can nuke extras all together and rename devel to extras | 02:54 |
| robbiethe1st | Rename Testing to Extras | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 | 02:55 |
| robbiethe1st | There. Package promoted? | 02:55 |
| robbiethe1st | nOW WHAT? | 02:56 |
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| narcos | Phew, late o'clock, time for bed. Thanks for the help DocScrutinizer05. | 02:58 |
| narcos | Night all. | 02:58 |
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| gerryde | http://xwetx.com//videos/3/sara-jean-underwood-playboy%27s-yoga-full-video | 07:52 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: btw, your approach kinda sucks | 08:48 |
| kerio | gainroot is supposed to be called passwordlessly | 08:48 |
| kerio | because it checks rd-mode | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bs | 08:49 |
| kerio | rootsh changes that | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sudo checks R&D mode, not gainroot | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, scratch that | 08:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, how's that relevant? | 08:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if anything sucks, then it's your pointless criticism | 08:54 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: how did rx_battery go? sorry I felt asleep yesterday. | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rx_battery? | 08:54 |
| freemangordon | the temperature thingie | 08:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pali's new LUT code? | 08:55 |
| freemangordon | yep | 08:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems it's mostly ok, we weeded out some dead cruft code, the rest schould be fine | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm still wondering if that thing indeed has to deliver centigrade (1/100 °C) | 08:57 |
| freemangordon | hmm, i looked at the code, seems ok to me (from the LUT size POV) | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually you use milli-UNIT | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or micro-UNIT (uA) | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (mV) | 08:58 |
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| freemangordon | well, AFAIK minor unit for deg celsius is 0.01 | 08:58 |
| freemangordon | AFAIK | 08:58 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a better way to allow passworded root access would be to add user ALL = (ALL) ALL | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: read backscroll and stop pestering me! I'm afk now anyway | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pointless criticism | 09:00 |
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| Lantizia | With Tizen and Jolla/Mer being RPM based - what (still developed) mobile OS's exist out there other than Maemo that uses debian package management? | 13:36 |
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| M4rtinK | Lantizia: http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/ | 13:40 |
| M4rtinK | they are based on Debian & use debian packages | 13:41 |
| Lantizia | hmm but the device they develop for is dead | 13:41 |
| Luke-Jr | lol | 13:42 |
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| Lantizia | see my N900 is getting on a bit... I've been thinking of getting an Atom/Medfield based Android phone | 13:43 |
| Lantizia | at least then if Ubuntu/Fedora/whomever come out with some kind of mobile-ui-centric interface i can put any old x86 OS on it | 13:43 |
| Lantizia | (possibly in the future) | 13:43 |
| M4rtinK | they also support the GTA04 | 13:44 |
| M4rtinK | which is also open hardware & has specs similar to the N900 :) | 13:44 |
| Luke-Jr | o rly? | 13:45 |
| Luke-Jr | keyboard? | 13:45 |
| M4rtinK | but yeah, its quite a niche device & horrendously expensive :) | 13:45 |
| M4rtinK | not by default | 13:45 |
| M4rtinK | but you can probably easily slap one on it | 13:45 |
| M4rtinK | you can even order just the board :D | 13:45 |
| Luke-Jr | no kb = crap | 13:46 |
| Lantizia | i agree | 13:46 |
| Luke-Jr | GTA04 site false advertises :< | 13:46 |
| Luke-Jr | "No locks by undocumented hardware." "3D Graphics Accelerator and DSP" | 13:46 |
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| Lantizia | MerMeeMaemoGoTizen!? | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | limo | 13:51 |
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| Hurrian | whoa, people are buying the GTA04? | 14:00 |
| Hurrian | that's a mighty price to pay for freedom. | 14:01 |
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| jacekowski | and modem firmware is closed anyways | 14:04 |
| jacekowski | and it's 2g only iirc | 14:04 |
| flux | claims it's UMTS | 14:04 |
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| flux | it doesn't seem -that- sucky | 14:06 |
| flux | but I'll probably wait for what Jolla has :) | 14:06 |
| flux | oh, I misread the price, it seems it's a 'choose the parts for your kit first' | 14:07 |
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| Hurrian | flux, iirc it's GBP 666 for the board | 14:16 |
| flux | oh it was GBP :) | 14:16 |
| flux | nope, it's EUR 666 | 14:16 |
| Hurrian | meh, I'd rather spend the cash on a USB-reinforced N900. | 14:16 |
| Hurrian | actually, make that a few N900s. | 14:17 |
| flux | +70 EUR for LCD, +20 for battery, +XX for case unless you make one yourself | 14:17 |
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| flux | hurrian, I guess you can do that now on ebay :) | 14:17 |
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| Hurrian | I mean, tbh, we have ofono running on our devices, a hardware keyboard, and a decent (ex) officially supported OS | 14:18 |
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| Hurrian | flux: if Jolla's got an open bootloader and GNU/Linux at a reasonable price, I'm set. | 14:20 |
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| flux | hurrian, what would be reasonable price for you? | 14:22 |
| Hurrian | high spec phone a la SGS3: US$600-700 | 14:22 |
| flux | I would be surprised if we got a hardware-keyboard Jolla with much less than 650 EUR non-subsidized | 14:23 |
| Hurrian | mid spec phone a la N9: US$400-500 | 14:23 |
| flux | but I suppose the market prices are different here in Finland.. | 14:23 |
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| deepy | Why would you want a GNU userland? | 14:54 |
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| dafox | so, does anyone have a media server (DLNA) setup working with his n900? For me browsing (e.g. for music) works, but it fails when the media player tries to actually open the file for playback ("Unable to find media file"). Any ideas? The server works fine with both foobar-upnp and vlc's upnp browser | 15:21 |
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| Hurrian | dafox, PS3 media server with custom profile for N900 | 15:30 |
| Hurrian | also works with the default windows UPnP server | 15:30 |
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| dafox | Hurrian: cool. Did you have to do anything with you n900 before it worked? | 15:30 |
| Hurrian | dafox, nothing at all. | 15:30 |
| dafox | Are you using cssu? | 15:30 |
| dafox | The default windows upnp server == windows media player? | 15:31 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, Hi, see: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement/rx51_battery/commit/8a66270fd2460bbc816f5cf997691a5d5f10fee8 | 15:35 |
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| grammoboy | how can I check if my n900 has the latest maemo version? | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | grammoboy: settings->about | 15:52 |
| grammoboy | DocScrutinizer05, 21.2011.38-1 | 15:53 |
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| grammoboy | DocScrutinizer51, ^ is that the latest? | 15:53 |
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| grammoboy | it looks like it is | 15:58 |
| grammoboy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Updating | 15:58 |
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| bigmeow | lol | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~flashing | 16:59 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:59 |
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| grammoboy | it is the latest version right? | 17:12 |
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| grammoboy | oh that app manager is awful sloooowwwwwwwww | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | HAM is slow, esp when you have extras-testing and extras-devel repos enabled | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but at least all pkgs are tested to work for isntallation under HAM | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | while other app managers may (and will) occasionally fail on certain packages, which can render your system in an unadmirable state | 17:57 |
| grammoboy | any good youtube app? | 17:58 |
| Skry | cutetube qml | 17:58 |
| grammoboy | gps + osm? | 17:59 |
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| grammoboy | hm the search function of cutetube seems to suck | 18:02 |
| grammoboy | I search on 'mercy mercy mercy' | 18:03 |
| grammoboy | get whole different results | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | maemo-mapper, one google search away | 18:06 |
| grammoboy | ah order by relevance | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | search:maemo openstreetmap | 18:07 |
| grammoboy | google doesn't tell me which is best | 18:07 |
| grammoboy | thanx | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if I can search on my N900, you can do as well | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | afk | 18:08 |
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| dafox | Hurrian: The default windows upnp server == windows media player? | 18:23 |
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| zoub | hello | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | *yawn* | 19:31 |
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| grammoboy | hmm now I have a bash script in /usr/bin and the n900 user can't execute | 20:34 |
| grammoboy | it | 20:34 |
| beford | chmod +x? | 20:35 |
| beford | the shebang is correct? | 20:35 |
| grammoboy | script is 0play | 20:35 |
| beford | I think n900 doesn't use "bash" by default | 20:35 |
| grammoboy | 0play not found | 20:35 |
| grammoboy | ah | 20:35 |
| grammoboy | that works | 20:41 |
| beford | what worked | 20:41 |
| grammoboy | changing it from sh to bash | 20:42 |
| grammoboy | http://dabase.com/blog/n900_developer_tips/ | 20:42 |
| grammoboy | and then run the script | 20:42 |
| beford | ah | 20:42 |
| beford | good | 20:42 |
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| kerio | heh, my n900 barely survived a day of light usage | 21:02 |
| kerio | because i forgot it in monitor mode for like 4 hours | 21:03 |
| kerio | :s | 21:03 |
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| vi__ | So the chilli thief at work finally revealed himself. | 21:05 |
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| vi__ | I left some daves insanity sauce in a cholula bottle in the fridge. | 21:06 |
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| vi__ | a sauce so hot it is banned from the international hot sauce convention. | 21:06 |
| vi__ | It was the company CEO all along. | 21:06 |
| vi__ | oopz. | 21:07 |
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| RiD | vi__ .... lol | 21:13 |
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| kerio | vi__: so? | 21:14 |
| kerio | anyway, wifi monitor mode absolutely wrecks bluetooth connections | 21:16 |
| vi__ | So I had to leave the canteen before I had to prove that was my normal chilli sauce that I like to eat. | 21:17 |
| vi__ | The last I looked he was bright red. | 21:17 |
| vi__ | kerio: You are aware the bluetooth chip and wifi chip are one and the same? | 21:18 |
| vi__ | it is why you will never see themboth at the same party at the same time. | 21:18 |
| kerio | ...they're not, they just share the same antenna | 21:18 |
| kerio | or something | 21:18 |
| vi__ | or am I thinking of the FM chip... | 21:18 |
| kerio | but yeah, i'm aware of them being close | 21:18 |
| RiD | and bluetooth and FM transmitter are also somewhat together... | 21:19 |
| kerio | bluetooth and fmtx are the same | 21:19 |
| RiD | you can't have one of them turned off, i guess | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | duck and cover!!! ;-P | 22:17 |
| grammoboy | <^^> | 22:19 |
| grammoboy | what is a good backup system to backup your whole n900 install? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~bm | 22:21 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 22:21 |
| RiD | oh hello doc | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi | 22:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* what have I done?! | 23:22 |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | community-ml | 23:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 should nominate ShadowJK ;-P | 23:29 | |
| ShadowJK | I would decline | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since you're not as silly as i am | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lots of bitching for expending your time, not much hope for a bright future, no fame, no money ;-P | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lemme troll a little, so maybe nobody votes me XP | 23:33 |
| * RST38h yawns | 23:34 | |
| RST38h | So, what is cooking? | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | I forget what the point of it is/was now that nokia is dead | 23:34 |
| RST38h | Rat meat? Human meat? Elop's chops? | 23:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 nominates RST38h | 23:35 | |
| * kerio still nominates DocScrutinizer05 as hildon foundation's eternal leader | 23:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: actually a good point. Seems council is an entity without mission | 23:35 |
| RST38h | has been that way for a while, haven't you noticed? | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suuure | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just didn't like to frustrate all the youngsters | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right now council cranks up board | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but what will council do next term? | 23:37 |
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| RST38h | same as the last term? nothing? | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right now council cranks up board | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, *last* term | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might have a point | 23:39 |
| RST38h | I think it might make sense to look for migration routes now | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems last term been SD69 and he's been terribly busy with other stuff | 23:40 |
| RST38h | Such as Tizen-on-Galaxy or Boot-2-Gecko or Jolla thing | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | or even Firefox is | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | is | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | OS | 23:40 |
| RST38h | see Boot-2-Gecko | 23:40 |
| RST38h | that is firefox "os" | 23:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:41 |
| * SpeedEvil is not awake. | 23:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jolla might be a sensible project to bang the door, but the other stuff definitely isn't any topic for council | 23:41 |
| kerio | you'll never take fremantle away from me! | 23:41 |
| RST38h | Doc: dunno about council, just looking from the neutralpoint of view | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | though it's amore alien than android | 23:41 |
| RST38h | Doc: All three are Linux based | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 23:42 |
| RST38h | Doc: If you do not like the word "tizen" we can call it SLP | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | Last time I checked tmo, it seemed like people had this funny idea that the council can do actual work like coding, or atleast, do more than what was their purpose last time I checked, to be representatives of community with nokia. Whoever is in council wont change the amount of or direction of cssu at all, I'd think, because it's all volunteer effort anyways.. and I say cssu because it seems the most relevant to any future life support :-) | 23:42 |
| RST38h | There are live, sane people left at tmo? Miracle. | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but maemo community is... well, maemo commuinty. If somebody wants to move to android or whatever, he's free to do so. *nobody* will steer the community at large towards any arbitrary point outside maemo | 23:43 |
| RST38h | But, let us be honest: council has never done anything useful | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | beg to differ | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, my point is that that's not even their purpose ;-) | 23:44 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: My point is that their purpose is beside the point =) | 23:44 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: The community has always been driven by people who could sit down and do something - application, site, faq, etc | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | council helped with device seeding, for instance. When there were projects like h-e-n or SHR | 23:44 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: These are generally not council members | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, that's MY point, you plagiarizing dolt ;-P | 23:45 |
| RST38h | Doc: Yeah, but it was long time ago, and even then it was concrete people, not the council in general | 23:45 |
| Woody14619 | RST38H: I see, so keeping the lights on = nothing useful? | 23:45 |
| RST38h | Woody: correct. | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BS | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | Nah | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | Keeping lights on is vital :-) | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi Woody14619 | 23:45 |
| RST38h | vital how? and for whom? | 23:46 |
| Woody14619 | Good to know... When the servers go out Dec 31st, I'll let everyone know it was because you thought it not vital. | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: council is not even *meant* to do that steering you expect to see | 23:46 |
| * Woody14619 waves | 23:46 | |
| * RST38h does notexpect any "steering": neither him nor the community are cars | 23:46 | |
| Woody14619 | Btw: Most folks working on CSSU consider the builder and repos to be somewhat important, last I checked. | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-28 22:44:48] <RST38h> ShadowJK: The community has always been driven by people who could sit down and do something - application, site, faq, etc | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not council to 'drive' community | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's community that does this | 23:47 |
| RST38h | and how much of the community has been left? | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, seems you're not part of those remnants | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | If community council is actually a body of people that actually gets access to be able to fix servers and repos when they break, that'd be cool, but then I'd think the the name would need a change :-) | 23:48 |
| RST38h | true | 23:49 |
| RST38h | Doc: I am just a piece of toilet paper in the wind =) | 23:49 |
| Woody14619 | Is has. That's what the foundation is for. | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: that's board, or those who get nominated by board | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | council never been meant to do admin job on servers | 23:50 |
| Woody14619 | At the same time, most people that would want to work on that board may NOT want to deal with the community as deeply as Council as (doing things like running award programs, etc | 23:50 |
| Woody14619 | Which is why we separated the two. | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | Also, the 6 month or whatever cycle made sense back when maemo was cutting edge growing thing, I wouldn't at all mind if people were made "permanent" members, with provision for replacement on demand through some vote-like process or the member going away him/herself etc | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and which is why I hope to get elected for none, or both | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | synergy | 23:51 |
| Woody14619 | Mind you, Councils job will become immesely easier when they have better access, which they effectivly will if the Foundation can take over everything. | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | access to what? It's not council to admin the servers | 23:52 |
| Woody14619 | As good as Niels was, he was one man running most of the show. With the Foundation, that work can be properly divided out. | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Niels never been council AFAIK | 23:52 |
| Woody14619 | No, they won't have direct access. But they'll be able to get actual e-mailed answers, and hopefully more info on what's going on then what we have over the past couple years. | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's what council does | 23:53 |
| Woody14619 | I never said he was Council... re-read. | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I never said you said ;-) | 23:53 |
| Woody14619 | Right now, if you have a request (like, I want to hold a CC election), you ask Council that, and we have NO access to do anything for it. | 23:53 |
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| Woody14619 | We can pre-setup some things, but the actual lever must be pulled by the admin. | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why we get a proper board now, for that | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and the board will not do this job themselves either, usually. They nominate /and maybe even pay) some (semi-)professional admin for that. That's the way things work in RL | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | btw, I now also got a quad core 1.6GHz android device with 1 gigs of Ram.. but N900 is still main device, and the android pisses me off everytime I try use it, sits mostly unused, except for playing Grand Theft Auto | 23:55 |
| Woody14619 | And when that admin only replies to one in 10 e-mails, it can be frustrating. Then add Nokia stoping payment for the admin group to do *anything* related to your group, and it's all volunteer. | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when the admin does that, he gets a thankful kick in the backside | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what board is for | 23:56 |
| RiD | aaah... nokia will take my n900 tomorrow | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why board holds the master key | 23:56 |
| Woody14619 | Yes... The Board will be more in control by way of dividing up who does what... though some direct admining may happen at first... | 23:56 |
| RiD | only tomorrow *sigh* | 23:56 |
| * RiD broke the conversation | 23:56 | |
| * ShadowJK wonders if maemo infra is still horrendously expensive, mer/meego/jolla allegedly got hosting costs down to <300, and they've probably got more dev activity these days than maemo? | 23:57 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 breaks his monologue now, to get some TV and a nice ABSOLUT wodka to forget the silly things he did today | 23:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FFS council nomination, WTF?! | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: will you run for another term? | 23:58 |
| Woody14619 | ShadowJK: For Nokia, probably. For the foundation, we're hoping we can bring it down significantly.... | 23:58 |
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| Woody14619 | For Council or for Board? | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, this video will make sense after the vodka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDboaDrHGbA | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anything | 23:59 |
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| Woody14619 | I already put on the ML that I would run for Board, with a very special caveat that I will be relativly inactive until March. | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >> Dieses Video ist in Deutschland leider nicht verfügbar, da es möglicherweise Musik enthält, für die die erforderlichen Musikrechte von der GEMA nicht eingeräumt wurden. Das tut uns leid.<< | 23:59 |
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