| vi___ | wut. | 00:00 |
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| ShadowJK | Be graceful about the input, and strict about your output? Or something like that | 00:00 |
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| vi___ | Our in house software spams the serial port with garbage and that cuases our products to go nuts and you want to try to resolve the problem by dicking with the firmware? | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | in house, but closed source? closed source as there is noone to maintain it. | 00:01 |
| vi___ | no no. in house. | 00:01 |
| vi___ | written in house. | 00:01 |
| vi___ | by fucking retards. | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | yes, I understand that | 00:01 |
| jacekowski | how do you even do that | 00:02 |
| kerio | jacekowski: i get about 10mA on wifi with no traffic in and out | 00:02 |
| kerio | so yeah, i'm fairly certain i've got wifi powersaving working | 00:02 |
| freemangordon | vi__: my point was that if there is noone who knows how it works, it could be closed source as well :) | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | 10mA is down in the range where measurement method makes a difference | 00:02 |
| vi___ | our in house software is written in pascal. | 00:03 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: bq27200.sh | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | best thing to do would be to compare battery level after few hours | 00:03 |
| kerio | :D | 00:03 |
| vi___ | we have ALL the source code. | 00:03 |
| kerio | jacekowski: that's assuming i can last a few hours without playing with my n900 | 00:03 |
| ShadowJK | kerio; yes but I mean with a 5s interval it'll take offline N900 up to 10mA even | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | nighttime? | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | vi__: do you have pascal developers? | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | vi___: how do you spam serial port with shit | 00:04 |
| vi___ | not spamming the serial port with horse shit seems like a pretty simple requirement for a programused to send stuff over a serial port. | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | pascal was outdated for how many? 15 years? | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: 0 | 00:04 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: our in house programmers use pascal. | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: there is nothing wrong with pascal | 00:05 |
| ShadowJK | Not acting on horeshit seems like a simple req too :) | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | who said there is something wrong? | 00:05 |
| vi___ | jacekowski: there is nothing wrong with fortran. | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: and i would take object pascal over C++ any day | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | and cobol too | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | delphi? | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 00:05 |
| vi___ | ShadowJK: I did not write this abomination of firmware, I just have to fix it. | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | it is (was) good | 00:06 |
| jacekowski | more i deal with C++ and it's way of doing OOP by linking all disadvantage of C and OOP in single language | 00:06 |
| jacekowski | the more i realise how good object pascal is | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | unfortunately borland died | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | though I was using cbuilder (because of the language) | 00:06 |
| RST38h | C++ is not an OOP language, so I do not see what you are complaining about | 00:06 |
| * vi___ loves some turbo C | 00:07 | |
| RST38h | it is C with objects | 00:07 |
| RST38h | where "object" = "structure with data and some function pointers" | 00:07 |
| jacekowski | and overloading that makes 2+2==5 true | 00:07 |
| jacekowski | and debugging complicated | 00:07 |
| vi___ | they have major bits of processing within interrupt service routines... | 00:07 |
| freemangordon | vi__: what os is that running, DOS 3.30? | 00:08 |
| vi___ | lol | 00:08 |
| vi___ | none | 00:08 |
| vi___ | it is an embedded system. | 00:08 |
| freemangordon | the software in question, not the firmware | 00:09 |
| vi___ | hah. | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | and then for strings in C++ you get std string and C type char | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | both doing exactly same thing in the end | 00:09 |
| vi___ | xp I think. | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | but not exactly compatible | 00:09 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: you're mixing things, those are libraries, not a part of the language itself | 00:10 |
| freemangordon | std:: | 00:10 |
| kerio | c++, the indecidable language | 00:11 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: part of the standard | 00:11 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: therefore part of the language | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | like libc part of c? | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | exactly | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: you may use C/C++ to write whatever piece of code, vi__'s firmware for example | 00:12 |
| freemangordon | without using any "standarts" | 00:13 |
| freemangordon | c/c++ != posix | 00:13 |
| freemangordon | AFAIK | 00:13 |
| jacekowski | nobody said posix | 00:13 |
| freemangordon | ok, that was just an example | 00:13 |
| freemangordon | my co-workers use it to program embedded devices using vendor's libs, which are missing basic "ordinary" functions. But they still use C/C++ | 00:15 |
| jacekowski | overloading is part of C++ itself | 00:15 |
| freemangordon | yes, it is | 00:15 |
| jacekowski | and every time i see that i know it's going to be painful to debug | 00:15 |
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| jacekowski | and worse thing is, that you never know what a+b will do | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | again, this is not part of C, but from the library you link with | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | you may end up with code like that a=2;b=2;c=a+b; and c would = 5 in the end | 00:17 |
| freemangordon | so? | 00:17 |
| freemangordon | I don;t want my compiler to restrict me in what I am doing | 00:18 |
| kerio | freemangordon: you deserve the worst | 00:19 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: and you deserve no new bb-power-thumb ;) | 00:20 |
| kerio | :'( | 00:20 |
| vi___ | MOAR THUMB. | 00:20 |
| kerio | WE REQUIRE MOAR THUMB | 00:20 |
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| vi___ | THIS THUMB YOU SPEAK OF, IT IS VERY MUCH RELEVENT TO MY INTERESTS IN THUMB. | 00:21 |
| freemangordon | kerio: no more thumb for you , only other fingers :P | 00:21 |
| kerio | ...the ring finger? | 00:22 |
| freemangordon | guess | 00:22 |
| kerio | the pinky! | 00:22 |
| vi___ | I wish there was a thumb debian branch. That would be sweeeeeet. | 00:22 |
| freemangordon | vi__: ubuntu 12.04 is thumb | 00:23 |
| vi___ | ZOMFG. | 00:23 |
| freemangordon | thumb+hardfp | 00:23 |
| vi___ | Does it come as strait up debian? | 00:23 |
| vi___ | thumb+hardfp. | 00:23 |
| kerio | wait, we use softfp? | 00:24 |
| kerio | :o | 00:24 |
| vi___ | can thumb kernel even hardfp in chroot? | 00:24 |
| freemangordon | afaik no | 00:24 |
| vi___ | lame. | 00:24 |
| freemangordon | though... | 00:24 |
| vi___ | ... | 00:24 |
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| freemangordon | i might be wrong, as maybe it is libc who deals with that stuff, not kernel | 00:25 |
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| vi___ | I have lierally NFC. | 00:25 |
| freemangordon | me too :D | 00:25 |
| freemangordon | those are just wild guesses | 00:25 |
| bigotes | near field comm | 00:25 |
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| vi___ | I just know HFP+thumb==MOAR BETTER. | 00:25 |
| vi___ | did you see some guy compiled latest nmap. | 00:26 |
| freemangordon | isn't it in repos? | 00:26 |
| vi___ | it now works. | 00:26 |
| freemangordon | anyway, I am going to have some sleep | 00:26 |
| freemangordon | night | 00:26 |
| vi___ | version 5.ARSE is in the repos, totally broken. | 00:26 |
| vi___ | bb | 00:26 |
| vi___ | he compiled 6 | 00:27 |
| vi___ | and flash 10! | 00:27 |
| vi___ | N900 is not beaten yet! | 00:27 |
| vi___ | although I want to know who found it. | 00:27 |
| vi___ | Il wager it was merlin1991 | 00:27 |
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| kerio | vi___: link to nmap 6? | 00:29 |
| Woody14619 | Aww.. vi___ You do know, "I'm saving my thumbs for you!" Right? ;) | 00:29 |
| Woody14619 | Opps, my bad. "I'm saving my thumbs for You!" There.. much better. ;) | 00:29 |
| * vi___ is mildly aroused. | 00:30 | |
| Woody14619 | If you got the reference, I doubt you would be. ;) | 00:30 |
| vi___ | kerio: it is on his server somewhere. | 00:31 |
| kerio | whose server? | 00:31 |
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| vi___ | Woody14619: ...or maybe i do! | 00:31 |
| vi___ | kerio: cannot remember. | 00:31 |
| vi___ | kerio: I have the deb. | 00:31 |
| Woody14619 | Do You? Do You really? I don't know if You know who I'm talking about. ;) | 00:32 |
| Woody14619 | Anyway... off to play games... err.. I mean.. Test CC apps to find out who I want to vote for. :) | 00:32 |
| vi___ | ok. I have no idea. | 00:32 |
| vi___ | hah. | 00:32 |
| Woody14619 | Clearly it's he who must not be named (or enter the room, as he's been kick/banned). | 00:33 |
| Skry | softfp kernel works fine with hardfp userland. | 00:33 |
| Woody14619 | Anyway. Enjoy, and will see you all Monday... | 00:33 |
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| Woody14619 | Also, don't forget, only one more week to nominate yourself (and others) to Council and/or the Board. | 00:33 |
| vi___ | have a good weekend mate. | 00:33 |
| Woody14619 | (Yes, that's going on right now... only 2 nominations so far...) | 00:34 |
| kerio | Woody14619: is E* one of them? | 00:34 |
| bigotes | mm I need to see the logs | 00:34 |
| bigotes | why this happened and I didn't notice it D: | 00:35 |
| Woody14619 | kerio: I will never tell You! ;) | 00:35 |
| kerio | Woody14619: it would be a nice excuse to force DocScrutinizer to nominate himself | 00:35 |
| vi___ | kerio: http://spoofy.webd.pl/pwniephone/download/nmap_6.01-1_armel.deb | 00:36 |
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| Woody14619 | Lol... don't tempt me. ;) | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | F U | 00:36 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: <3 | 00:36 |
| Woody14619 | LOL! :) | 00:36 |
| vi___ | dunno if it is optmised | 00:36 |
| kerio | vi___: 404 here | 00:36 |
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| vi___ | I have most of the directory symlinked anyway | 00:36 |
| Woody14619 | Anyway, have a good weekend! C'ya! | 00:37 |
| bigotes | if we vote for him he will be obligated to accept | 00:37 |
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| kerio | bigotes: of course | 00:37 |
| kerio | it's like the army | 00:37 |
| bigotes | that's democracy right there | 00:37 |
| kerio | but people can enlist other people | 00:37 |
| vi___ | fuck knows then | 00:38 |
| vi___ | his name was spoofy. | 00:38 |
| vi___ | I have the deb if you can think of an easy way to get it to you that requires little to no effort on mhy part. | 00:39 |
| vi___ | gtg | 00:39 |
| vi___ | bb | 00:39 |
| vi___ | :q | 00:39 |
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| kerio | vi__: dropbox? | 00:42 |
| kerio | idk | 00:42 |
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| kerio | "Anyway those are Qt standard QTextInput fields, I have no control of that. That would be a Qt problem, not a Yappari problem." | 01:09 |
| kerio | then why the hell doesn't my shift+fn combo work? D: | 01:09 |
| kerio | fucking qt | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so what's the threat now??? | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thou shalt not call my name in vain! | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wazzup?? | 01:32 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hmm... which threat? | 01:33 |
| kerio | there's plenty | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | <kerio> Woody14619: it would be a nice excuse to force DocScrutinizer to nominate himself | 01:33 |
| kerio | oh right | 01:33 |
| kerio | the eventual nomination of the dude with the E and the _ | 01:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 ducks and covers | 01:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you ever knew, THIS ASSHOLE WRITING THESE WORDS VOTED FOR HIM | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, my definite coming-out | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably I have to resign now from internet at large, to evade shitstorms | 01:35 |
| kerio | but now you have the chance to make it better | 01:35 |
| kerio | ! | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | toldya, 2h/week, and grupy mood guaranteed | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I promise I'll not go apeshit mad about my new perceived powers that aren't real | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm considering not to reject reasonable 3rd party nominations | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll get what you asked for, anyway ;-D | 01:38 |
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| Skry | thats the spirit! :) | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now it's up to you | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please keep in mind I didn't ask for anything! I'd prefer to do more nice things with my scarce leisure time | 01:40 |
| MrPingu | Hi | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also (though in the end that's up to every single one of you) keep in mind I'd prefer board to council | 01:41 |
| kerio | what's the difference, again? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | board does legalese, while council does Dr Freud? | 01:43 |
| kerio | who does Dr Seuss? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sigmund, you know him | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thoufg, sometimes we have to find some decent psycho therapist for council mebers X-P | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though* | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...some of them, at least | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you know what i'm talking bout | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw: | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | woody: thanks for the prodding | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know you never misunderstood role and meaning of council (unlike some others who evidently did) | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *one* other person? | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not like to imply more than I meant to do | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if "some others" includes tmo users asking for new monarchy to save them from taking own POV and decision, then probably it's more than one person | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, keep in mind that I'm saving my scarce leisure time by not rewading all new threads on tmo. Actually I take pride in being agnostic to that lesser pleasant aspect of possible maemo life | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW, if you want me to participate in tmo or ML, toss me a link on IRC please | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise it didn't happen | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, -w | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka "reading*" | 01:53 |
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| kerio | nah, i just like to link you the E*_ rants i stumble upon | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mkfifo stfu | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dd if=dev/zero of=stfu | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dd if=stfo of=jerio | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^C | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dd if=stfo of=kerio | 02:22 |
| kerio | dd: stfo: No such file or directory | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I have no decent answer for this, not even a bindmount | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably we could ship a fix in CSSU | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I might craft something depending on locales and dedicated charsets | 02:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 summons Raster to comment on E* rants | 02:32 | |
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| kerio | ah fuck, after syncing i have no birthdays in the calendar at all | 10:49 |
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| kerio | i don't even | 10:49 |
| kerio | meh | 10:50 |
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| Pali | Hi, I need flashing output dumps from flasher-3.5. I'm rewriting 0xFFFF code and I need to understand NOLO protocol. See http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86969 | 13:06 |
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| Pali | If somebody will need to flash N900 (on linux), please use ld preload library from that thread. It write to stdout some control informations | 13:07 |
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| kerio | does anyone here use yappari? | 13:55 |
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| Canseco | anybody compiled last nmap or p0f for Maemo5? | 15:36 |
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| Hurrian | >mfw Flash 10 for Maemo leaked | 16:38 |
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| Hurrian | I've definitely been out of the Fremantle forum way too long. | 16:39 |
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| Hurrian | speaking of which, mods, if you're awake, please change the Flash 10 megathread's title! | 16:42 |
| Lava_Croft | the flash thread is awesome | 16:43 |
| Lava_Croft | 50+ pages about a seriously horrible piece of software that most people hate deeply | 16:43 |
| Hurrian | Lava_Croft, true, but some people need it for some other horrible POS web app. | 16:46 |
| Hurrian | fortunately, it's mostly considered "deprecated" nowadays | 16:46 |
| Lava_Croft | if your webapp requires flash, you should find another one | 16:46 |
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| RST38h | Scheduled to be released next month, Ubuntu 12.10 now includes both Amazon ads in the user's dash and by default an amazon store in the user's launcher. | 16:51 |
| * RST38h ROTFLs | 16:52 | |
| RST38h | Canonical is 'confident it will be an interesting and useful feature for our 12.10 users.' | 16:52 |
| * RST38h suspects that by "users" they mean Amazon | 16:52 | |
| Lava_Croft | RST38h: :) | 16:54 |
| Lava_Croft | Another reason to just use Windows7 | 16:54 |
| lokimotive | riiight | 16:54 |
| RST38h | not really | 16:54 |
| Canseco | hope Kubuntu guys don't do the same | 16:55 |
| Hurrian | use another distro, perhaps? | 16:55 |
| lokimotive | time to switch to gentoo :-) | 16:55 |
| Lava_Croft | i love my wintoon :< | 16:55 |
| Lava_Croft | better said, i love my games, which makes me have to love windows:| | 16:56 |
| Canseco | i love my 58 games on Linux too, ;) | 16:56 |
| lokimotive | nethack ftw | 16:56 |
| Lava_Croft | nethack got boring over 10years ago | 16:56 |
| lokimotive | impossible | 16:57 |
| Lava_Croft | nethack wasnt that great anyway | 16:57 |
| Lava_Croft | i enjoy adom and doomrl much more | 16:57 |
| lokimotive | but you can't die by falling down stairs in those | 16:57 |
| Lava_Croft | i can do that irl | 16:57 |
| Lava_Croft | dont need a game for that | 16:57 |
| RST38h | doomrl = Doom in Real Life | 16:58 |
| RST38h | ? | 16:58 |
| Lava_Croft | DOOM the Rogue Like | 16:58 |
| RST38h | omg | 16:58 |
| Lava_Croft | pretty neato roguelike | 16:58 |
| Lava_Croft | http://doom.chaosforge.org/ | 16:58 |
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| Lava_Croft | they even have sprite gfx nowadays! | 16:59 |
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| lokimotive | i think i'll stick with my little @ | 17:00 |
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| Lava_Croft | your little @ is used in just about any roguelike:) | 17:03 |
| Lava_Croft | also doomrl:) | 17:03 |
| lokimotive | nah because you said the even have sprite gfx | 17:04 |
| Lava_Croft | yes, nethack does too | 17:05 |
| Lava_Croft | its a matter of choice and preference | 17:05 |
| lokimotive | of course it is | 17:05 |
| lokimotive | just as it is which rogue-like you play | 17:06 |
| Lava_Croft | no, people that play nethack are really inferior | 17:06 |
| Lava_Croft | ;) | 17:06 |
| lokimotive | lol | 17:06 |
| Lava_Croft | http://doom.chaosforge.org/images/12.png | 17:07 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 17:07 |
| lokimotive | fancy | 17:07 |
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| pdanek | Hello, is there easy Wifi tethering solution for N900? | 18:00 |
| pdanek | I found JoikuSpot, but it's paid. | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | qmobilehotspot? | 18:01 |
| freemangordon | you'll need kernel-power though | 18:01 |
| pdanek | is it in repos? qmobilehotspot? | 18:01 |
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| freemangordon | yes | 18:02 |
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| rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1270647#post1270647 # Wanna join !n950club for only +2500 EUR ? #MeeGo #HarmattaN #n950 #MerProject | 18:31 |
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| Wizzup | Hm... The latest update of cssu wants me to connect to the pc suite to update | 18:56 |
| * Wizzup updates cssu enabler first | 18:57 | |
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| Wizzup | Think I figured it out | 19:16 |
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| andre__ | Wizzup, install the Operator thingy first, then it works | 19:50 |
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| Wizzup | andre__: yeah, I found that under the ``problems'' tab after some googling :) | 19:56 |
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| ShadowJK | Testing new Nokia BL-5J 1400-something mAh claimed. So far battery internal resistance feels disappoitnig, capacity might be as claimed though | 21:03 |
| ShadowJK | Low IR is mostly interesting for faster charge times :) | 21:05 |
| myuu__ | what is the capacity? | 21:11 |
| myuu__ | *supposed | 21:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: low Z also interesting for usable capacity on heavy load, like during phone call | 21:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, that's a known symptom. Higher capacity on same volume usually also means higher Z | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so the higher capacity easily might turn into opposite on high load | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: see goldcaps where that's obvious. The capacitors in Farad range usually have Z in the range of hundereds of Ohms | 21:28 |
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| ShadowJK | But Japod has highest capacity I've encountered so far, AND lowest Z | 21:42 |
| ShadowJK | In other news, the battery of my SmartQ7 seems dead | 21:45 |
| ShadowJK | too long empty i guess | 21:47 |
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| gomiam | probably old question, but I haven't been able to find a definite answer. My n900 "randomly" (not really that randomly, but I haven't been able to pinpoint it yet) loses connection to my GSM card... | 22:07 |
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| gomiam | hints about an once-and-for-all solution? (besides "don't use it", if possible :) | 22:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | gomiam: alas this usually is a symptom of a hw defect | 22:15 |
| gomiam | I feared that | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course I suggest to reflash a clean PR1.3 and run it without any additional apps installed for several days, to verify it's not sw caused | 22:15 |
| gomiam | the forums I read talked about pushing it with some kind of rubber... | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BS | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind | 22:16 |
| gomiam | I will have to try flashing it, just in case | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it's hw, then it's soldering or bonding of BB5 cellmo chip | 22:16 |
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| gomiam | o-u-c-h :) | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | applying random force to the whole PCB (mainboard) can change symptoms a bit, but not for long and not always to the better | 22:17 |
| gomiam | thanks for the info :) | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry though | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | resoldering chip might help, if you can get access to proper SMT reflow workstation, or want to go the extremist way of DIY reflow in oven | 22:18 |
| gomiam | don't be, I knew this could happen. | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you'll kill the device completely during such enterprise | 22:19 |
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| gomiam | Fortunately I still have my previous phone handy if I don't manage to fix this issue. | 22:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to set up a wiki page "Symptom: SIM crossed out", and list all aggregated knowledge about the reported cases by ShadowJK and others | 22:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil also, irrc | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc* | 22:20 |
| gomiam | it might be a good idea | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gomiam: anyway, clean your SIM contacts (sometimes dirt on contacts causes similar symptom) | 22:21 |
| gomiam | will do, too | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes ure the contact springs in holder look "normal" and equally positioned | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make sure* | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | press keyboard firmly (ask SpeedEvil (iirc) about where to press exactly), it's been reported to instantly induce change in SIM detection state | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check syslog/dmesg for cmt messages | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try talking to modem when it says "SIM not present": start pnatd, enter " AT<enter>" should answer with "OK" | 22:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if it doesn't, you probably have a dead modem | 22:25 |
| gomiam | I was checking dmesg but found nothing... then again, I probably should test it a few more times :) | 22:25 |
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| gomiam | fortunately it seems to work... if I handle it with care :) | 22:26 |
| gomiam | until it stops working, of course | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any mechanical effects to "SIM missing" are a strong indicator of usual chip-soldering hw defect | 22:27 |
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| gomiam | btw, all screws in a N900 are supposed to be Torx, right? | 22:27 |
| gomiam | (all the screws that keep it together, I mean) | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, there's also a small chance that a waek and worn-out battery (or dirty battery contacts) may cause modem resets and dropouts | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, only the two that keep kbd frame in place are TX-6 | 22:28 |
| gomiam | ah, ok | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | other are philips | 22:28 |
| gomiam | I'm used to tinkering with my N800s.. | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 22:28 |
| gomiam | :) | 22:28 |
| gomiam | that matches what I see right now | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get L1_2 | 22:29 |
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| gomiam | fortunately I have a "weird screw heads" box and a "precision screws box" | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, the RE components BOM lists >>Main PCB, Bottom User Interface Battery Rechargeable 1 Seiko Instruments XH414H Battery - XH-HG Capacitor, 3.3V, 0.08F, Button Type, , w/ Integral Battery Contacts + XH414H + SII JAPAN 2 4.80 1.40 Visit URL<< for bupbat | 22:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Nokia_N900_Mobile_Phone-whatsinside_text-90.aspx | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, because I hoped the problem with bupbat was caused by Nokia using the LiIon type and you could use the capacitive type to get a better MTBF than the obviously common <12months | 22:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, even iSuppli might be wrong. AFAIK there's no proper label on the bupbat | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | If nokia was a tad more community-oriented and openminded, we just could ask them what's the actual brand&type of bupbat used in N900, but nokia isn't even able to "disclose" resistance in Ohms of a single resistor | 23:02 |
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| Skry | DocScrutinizer05: nothing against suse, have the least experience about it regarding "the big ones" so can't say anything about it. | 23:33 |
| Skry | my basis of recommending mint is based on my experiences of recommending it to newcomers | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think mist is mainly focused on stability and security | 23:36 |
| Skry | even though I try to leave recommending anything to others as my expectations of a good distribution (be it ease of use or stability) might differ dramatically from someones who is coming from windows | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mint even | 23:36 |
| Skry | it's focused on simplicity | 23:38 |
| Skry | i guess | 23:38 |
| Skry | or should i say end user experience | 23:39 |
| dafox | hi all. Does anyone know if yappari (the whatsapp client) is in any repo (or why it doesn't seem to be)? Also any impressions (how well does it work) would be much appreciated :) | 23:40 |
| Skry | aaaand me had wrong channel :) | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well openSuse is basicaly the community backport plus new development of the SLED mission critical grade distro, and of course it comes with commercial grade administration tools | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: (wrong chan) not really. The other one been way more wrong chan ;-) | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (not that it was exactly on topic here either) | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dafox: nfc about wutsap or whatever the name, nor about any of the clones | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I only know it's a quite likely a pretty poor concept and a poor idea to use it | 23:45 |
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| dafox | DocScrutinizer05: why do you think it's a poor concept? | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since all I heard about it indicates it's a third rehash of VoIP | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even worse than skype | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure not as free (in beer) as you love to think | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it ripps off all your private data afaik | 23:48 |
| dafox | DocScrutinizer05: I think you may be thinking about skype? whatsapp is the sms-over-wifi type thing | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty much the same, no? | 23:49 |
| dafox | not really, one is voice, one is text messages | 23:50 |
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| dafox | both are 'cheating' the network operators | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no free-of-charge SMS sending, and if this particular service doesn't charge you in money, they will charge you in some other currency | 23:50 |
| beford | its only a modified jabber protocol | 23:51 |
| dafox | DocScrutinizer05: I don't really know how it's all sponsored, I think on android its ad-driven | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | usually in getting your valuable private data, inspecting your SMS/IM content, whatnot else | 23:51 |
| beford | they dont send sms, you need to use internet access | 23:51 |
| dafox | anyhow, lots of people around me use it, and I heard someone made a n900 version, so I thought it might be nice to have, as an addition to regular sms (since they seem to use it quite a bit) | 23:52 |
| fizzie | Isn't it just an IM thing? From what I recall from one whatsapp reverse-engineering page, it's just XMPP with a funky proprietary space-saving encoding (called "FunXMPP") and presumably some extensions (and more proprietary fluff for registration and so on). There were quite a few people hoping (unsuccessfully) to get support for it in libpurple. | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there've been texting services around since ages, and they either plainly say they're making their money by adding ads to each message you send via that service, or they charge you in money though less than what a standard GSM SMS handled by your carrier would cost. And then there's *real* jabber, and IRC, and whatnot else, and of course SIP INFO messaging | 23:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see why I would want to use some BS mutation of jabber, and disclose my real phonenumber plus additional privacy data to them | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, google mail is terrible enough with their scanning of all my mail content and analyzing my habits based on what they can deduce from my mails. That's why I don't use gmail. Why would I use watsap which is doing even worse? | 23:59 |
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