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jacekowskii really have to say that i like wp8 and nokia a lot more than yesterday02:32
jacekowskitbh. i think i'll go with lumia as my next phone02:33
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M4rtinKthat ad was EPIC02:40
M4rtinKwell, EPIC FAIL :)02:41
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: because it's not java02:42
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: it's c#02:42
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: it's from nokia02:42
jacekowskiand well, wp8 doesn't really have anything missing02:42
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jacekowski+ touschcreen that according to some people works with pens fingers gloves nails02:44
jacekowskiand everything02:44
jacekowskiif that's true, then it may be a real replacement for resistive screens02:45
SpeedEvilit's a shame we're reduced to least bad02:45
jacekowskiwell, it's harder to scratch glass02:45
jacekowskiand that is fairly important feature02:45
jacekowskiand resistive on glass is not really an option02:46
SpeedEvilI want saw.02:48
jacekowskii don't think it's ready02:48
jacekowskiand talking about other phone OSes02:49
jacekowskiandroid on high end phone is pretty fast and everything02:50
jacekowskithough application wise, there isn't much of usefull apps02:50
jacekowskiif you filter all the crap out there is not much left02:50
jacekowskiit's going to sound like ad again02:52
jacekowskibut i think android is a downgrade from win ce02:52
jacekowskior from maemo02:52
jacekowskiand lack of hw keyboard in modern phones brings them close to useless anyways02:53
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* DocScrutinizer05 thinks he will get a used communicator for next phone - - - after using up the 5 N90002:56
nox-does that jolla will use aegis too?02:58
DocScrutinizer05call me silly and childish, but I did a holy promise to never again support MS by puschasing any of their stuff or (generally) anything needing their stuff, due to the hard times and baldy head they gave me02:58
nox-does that mean...02:58
GeneralAntillesnox-, we don't know.02:59
DocScrutinizer05stskeeps said that no02:59
nox-one can only hope...02:59
jacekowskiwhat's jolla02:59
GeneralAntillesjacekowski, have you been living under a rock?02:59
GeneralAntillesApparently yes.02:59
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DocScrutinizer05ex nokia ;-P03:00
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jacekowskiwho's going to build those?03:00
DocScrutinizer05THAT we don't know03:01
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DocScrutinizer05there's a LOT of small and medium sized fabs that manuf whatever you hand them03:01
DocScrutinizer05Nokia neither manuf'ed on own gabs afaik03:01
jacekowskiwho's going to pay for it all03:02
jacekowskithose fabs don't work for free03:02
DocScrutinizer05THAT we also don't know, but somebody with huge pockets03:02
GeneralAntillesjacekowski, apparently they have a lot of private capital.03:02
DocScrutinizer05or at least they think it's a lot03:03
SpeedEvilhuge pockets?03:03
DocScrutinizer05actually some few millions are nuttin in this business03:03
SpeedEvilso the first device is a 12"tablet?03:03
DocScrutinizer05THAT we also don't know ;-P03:04
jacekowskii would really like a phone that has HW keyboard, lasts at least 2 days of use on battery (week ideally), it's IP67 rated, runs linux with X but with option to run android apps as well03:04
jacekowskiand it floats03:04
DocScrutinizer05but it seems whatever the screen size, it will have some phone functionality aiui03:04
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SpeedEviland can be sat on.03:04
DocScrutinizer05dang, unless it flies I don't care03:05
DocScrutinizer05and not only straight downward03:05
SpeedEvilI've been thinking that a nexus 7 with 2g of ram, with Linux/android and 3g modem might be close to ideal for me.03:06
DocScrutinizer05IP67 hehehe03:06
nox-wasnt there a n900fly thing? :)03:06
DocScrutinizer05yeah incredible03:06
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SpeedEvilI now have a broken n7. dropping from 1.5m onto corner on rock killed touchscreen.03:07
SpeedEvilotoh, I can now open it and play with the innards.03:07
DocScrutinizer05sounds XXX rated03:08
DocScrutinizer05grr timasmoff, jaffa, this article starts with two words I had to look up in dictionary, one of them not in there :-(03:09
SpeedEvilI am wondering about interfacing to other screens.03:10
DocScrutinizer05WTF stalwart?03:10
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: ^^^03:10
DocScrutinizer05~dict stalwarts03:10
infobotcould not find definition for stalwarts03:11
DocScrutinizer05~dict downtrodden03:11
infobotDictionary 'downtrodden' (2 of 3): Trodden down; trampled down; abused by superior power. --Shak. Downward ;; abused or oppressed by people in power.03:11
DocScrutinizer05~dict respleded03:11
infobotcould not find definition for respleded03:11
SpeedEvilthat's not a word03:12
* DocScrutinizer05 frowns on >> a "new smartphone using this MeeGo based OS will be revealed later this year." No detailed specifics about the stack have been announced beyond it being based on the Mer Core and Qt, with Jolla providing their own UI on top.03:14
DocScrutinizer05sounds like they're doing it *again*03:14
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DocScrutinizer05it == spin a 'proprietary' GUI of their own wet dreams, without any community participation and most probably again closed03:15
SpeedEvila rant on this very topic, written several years back03:16
DocScrutinizer05((>>The silliest bits of 'Under Heavy Manners' are, in fact, the most important: "I am resplendent in divergence". "Remain in hell without despair"<<))03:18
DocScrutinizer05oh Urizel!03:19
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DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: hey, I bookmarked this rant some 5 days ago ;-)03:22
Ken-YoungIs there anyone around who has installed the Maemo 5 SDK on a linux system recently?03:26
SpeedEvilnot Jere.03:26
Ken-YoungZut alors!03:26
SpeedEvilI need some way to feed this vkbd 20m of my text.03:27
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SpeedEvilseen mikeselectricstuff on YouTube?03:34
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DocScrutinizer05ok, so03:42
DocScrutinizer05~dict replendent03:42
infobotcould not find definition for replendent03:42
DocScrutinizer05thought as much03:42
Ken-YoungIt's a perfectly cromulent word.03:46
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, I wrote that article.04:31
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, which words are you confused by? :P04:31
DocScrutinizer05~dict stalwarts04:32
infobotcould not find definition for stalwarts04:32
GeneralAntillesIt's an abuse of stalwart04:32
DocScrutinizer05~dict stalwart04:32
infobotDictionary 'stalwart' (2 of 6): having rugged physical strength; inured to fatigue or hardships; "hardy explorers of northern Canada"; "proud of her tall stalwart son"; "stout seamen"; "sturdy young athletes"  ;; used especially of persons; "a stalwart knight"; "a stouthearted fellow who had an active career in the army" .04:32
SpeedEvilstalwarts - reliable men04:32
GeneralAntillesWell, I guess not so much an abuse as the lesser-used plural noun form.04:32
* DocScrutinizer05 docScrutinizers about nouned adverbs04:36
DocScrutinizer05to poetter?04:39
DocScrutinizer05Fripp intervies seem to have potential to confuse the mind04:40
GeneralAntillesHalfway through replacing an old (1960s) electrical subpanel and 3 timers for the pool04:41
GeneralAntillesWith a single subpanel + 2 timer enclosure.04:42
GeneralAntillesSo much nicer.04:42
DocScrutinizer05yay, fun04:42
DocScrutinizer0560s' electrics are usually so....04:42
GeneralAntillesRusty, dusty, and mean.04:42
GeneralAntillesNeed to reroute all the conduit now. . . .04:43
SpeedEvilwide enough conduit is great. I recommend 80cm04:44
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Siceloindeed lol. when i saw RST38h mention it hours ago, i just remembered a convo that was here where it was said Elop has a clear goal and knows how to execute it08:17
Siceloone thing for sure, this will haunt Nokia for a long time08:17
GGonyeah heh08:18
GGonthat's crazy08:18
GGonnot to mention the people who filmed the video.. i mean cmon.. camera man caught in a frame? that's just fail08:19
Sicelodisappointing. the 920 seems to be a fine device though. too bad they have cursed it now08:20
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Sicelothen again, wasn't it Elop that blamed marketting/sales for Nokia's problems? i guess the poor guys were trying to please him08:23
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GGoni don't understand how blunder after blunder this guy is still in charge of nokia08:35
GGonsince he has become ceo nokia has had to have lost like 90% of its value :)08:36
Sicelomaybe Nokia should have pushed to be exclusive hardware manufacturer for WPx08:40
Sicelothat said, has anyone successfully booted something else on the current Lumias?08:43
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JaffaDocScrutinizer05: As you'll have noticed, the article was edited by GeneralAntilles. FWIW, I don't think "downtrodden" or "stalwart" are words to necessarily avoid.11:26
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parrandasorry for being a bother but I'm unable to connect to a TTLS PAP wifi network on my N90013:09
parrandaI have, AFAIK, PR1.3 and wlantool has the PAP enabling option checked when I run it13:09
Lava_CroftSicelo: I don't think so :<13:10
Lava_CroftDon't think MS would dig that either :<13:10
parrandacould someone give me a hint about whether I need to mess around with the configuration editor so it actually notices everything is PAP (as it is, all strings in that wifi key are MSCHAPv213:10
tadzikI successfully use MSCHAPv2 on my n90013:12
tadzikno special magic in the configuration13:12
parrandatadzik: the problem is I need to use PAP, not MSCHAPv213:12
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parrandathe wlantool application says that PAP is enabled, the network configuration tool lets me choose PAP... but it still doesn't seem to work :)13:13
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DocScrutinizer05Jaffa: surely not, it might finaly bring some life to my technical english13:19
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: is there a way to remove the tasknav animations?13:27
kerioDocScrutinizer05: open a window and close it in the tasknav13:28
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kerioyou get a tiny animation before the tasknav closes due to lack of windows13:28
kerioi want to remove that13:28
JaffaDocScrutinizer05: :)13:28
JaffaDocScrutinizer05: I was listening to a programme on Radio 4 last night, where they were talking about how "Just a Minute" had really helped people's proper use of English grammar in India.13:29
kerioDocScrutinizer05: there's nothing related to that, i think13:29
DocScrutinizer05kerio: then you're back to the sourcecode13:30
keriomeh, i'm restoring this13:31
kerioooh, maybe i have to reboot13:31
DocScrutinizer05restart HD13:31
kerioi'm not that leete13:31
DocScrutinizer05Jaffa: they tought indians not to use proper pidgin anymore? :-o13:33
parrandaok, sorted out my PAP problem. It seems that PAP requires a network username (usually anonymous@somewhere) but it has to be entered in the Advanced options area as "manual user" or something like that (I'm running the Spanish locale)13:33
parrandasorry for wasting your time. Have fun :)13:34
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tadzikwe're on IRC. We're wasting time by definition13:35
DocScrutinizer05Jaffa: you know the saying about pidgin: an Indian, a Chinese, a native speaker from America, a Brit, and a few ather Nations have a technical meeting. In the end all managed to transport their point, except the native speaker American who used "eloquent" american  words which nobody understood13:37
JaffaDocScrutinizer05: :)13:39
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yay, i has no animations anymore :D13:39
kerio...and now it's kinda hard to figure out which window you came from if you have two similar ones13:39
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zsolthi there.could somebody tell me which toolchain am I able to use to crosscompile for maemo?13:41
keriozsolt: scratchbox, usually13:41
zsolt2007 and 2009 toolchain is outdated13:41
zsoltwilling to use scratchbox213:41
zsoltwhat about arm-linux-gnueabi?13:42
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DocScrutinizer05I simply followed instructions on wiki13:43
DocScrutinizer05afaik the SB version used for fremantle is kinda obsolete and kept in a semi-zombie state by Nokia just for the sake to not switch to newer version13:44
zsoltwell,is it possible to use gnu toolchain?if so,which one?arm-linux-gnueabi or arm-none-linux-gnueabi13:46
DocScrutinizer05(tbh I followed an instruction on some opensuse wiki page about how to install fremantle SDK)13:46
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DocScrutinizer05zsolt: usually you mustn't change toolchain(-version) for a deployed project. Lately fremangordon and friends did a lot of work to get a newer better compiler ready for compiling anything at all for fremantle13:48
DocScrutinizer05in general it's not guaranteed that binaries built on newer toolchain will play nice with libs and kernel built on old original toolchain13:50
DocScrutinizer05though in theory it should work, you see a lot of "oops, we didn't anticipate that" in practice13:51
zsoltbut what happens if i use gnu toolchain?13:51
zsolti think that no all new functions are implemented in the older versions,that's why got everytime make errors13:52
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zsoltor could you give me link for the fremangordon toolchain?13:56
DocScrutinizer05it's only a new compiler version13:57
DocScrutinizer05won't probably help for make errors13:58
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zsoltanyway,which one is for maemo?arm-linux-gnueabi or arm-linux-noneabi?14:01
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DocScrutinizer05well, I can say that I never heard of arm-linux-noneabi14:06
DocScrutinizer05while gnueabi been a frequently used word here14:06
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DocScrutinizer05(I hope I'm not mixing that with stuff from other related channels like #meego etc)14:07
zsoltso,which one should i use for n900?14:08
DocScrutinizer05*sigh* - of course the one I never heard from ;-P14:08
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zsolti misstyped before14:09
DocScrutinizer05sorry, then I dunno14:09
fizzieYou could possibly ask "gcc -dumpmachine" about the proper triplet on the official scratchbox.14:09
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zsoltthank you14:12
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kerioaw, zsolt left15:38
kerioanyway, gcc -dumpmachine gives me arm-linux-gnueabi on my n90015:38
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DocScrutinizer05(it seems) recent marble update on cssu-t gave me broken app: route planner has black-on-black text, also several other screens/menus seem affected16:49
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DocScrutinizer05(you can highlight text by blindly touch&drag on locations where you suspect text might be)16:51
DocScrutinizer05(or press hw-kbd ctrl-a)16:51
DocScrutinizer05I seem to recall we had that friggin bug some 2 years ago. Thought it got squashed16:52
MrPinguI vaguely remember that was an old busybox-power bug because of tmp not getting mounted and some grapchis couldn't be loaded16:52
DocScrutinizer05nah, something about Qt iirc16:53
MrPinguDocScrutinizer05: atleast we both remember that bug ;)16:53
DocScrutinizer05yep, though my memory has nothing about busybox16:53
MrPinguBrb, getting a jump on the next train16:54
DocScrutinizer05curse this Friday. Marble fsckup. HPLIP rolled 3.12.9 which during update spins busy loop doing get_dents() across all my PATH entries and never terminates, but of course leaves printer support broken after killing the runaway process16:57
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DocScrutinizer05AFK for chilling :-/16:57
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: some people don't respect read-only friday17:17
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timelesshey, anyone here familiar w/ Qt? :)17:47
jacekowskia lot of people17:47
jacekowskithough #maemo-dev may be better channel17:47
timelessi'm trying to figure out if there's any valid reason for someone to name a method "relase(...)"17:48
timelessinstead of the more logical "release(...)"17:48
timelessa quick check of qobject shows that it didn't reserve "release(...)"17:48
tadzikprobably a tyop17:48
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timelesstadzik: that's my bet17:48
timeless(i'm using a script that identifies such items)17:49
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* timeless hates github17:58
timelessi think i submitted a pull request to myself17:58
timelessanyone here happen to use github? :)17:58
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tadzikwhat do you need?18:03
keriotimeless: well you better accept the request :D18:04
timelesskerio: i'd rather delete it, but i can't figure out how to do that18:04
timelessi was able to close it, but it's still pretty embarrassing...18:04
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tadzikit isn't, who'd care ;)18:05
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* timeless chuckles18:16
timelessthe previous project i looked at was british (behaviour)18:17
timelessthis project is confused (behavior, Behavior, behaviour)18:17
timeless3 for british, 2 for each american (although that's a function name)18:17
timeless(well, the uppercase is a function name)18:18
ShadowJKConfuzzled behaviour, eh?18:18
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ShadowJKI'm disappointed mixing zz and ou didn't cause any exploding people18:21
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DocScrutinizer05those won't aswer ;-)18:23
DocScrutinizer05answer even18:23
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* timeless finds a bug in script18:24
timelesslanguage splitter does a fairly good job of splitting words18:24
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timelessbut for some reason "BOOL)animated" isn't split into two words :(18:24
timelessoh, no, that's more or less intentional18:24
timelessfor annoying things like (A)ccept18:24
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timelesswhat is an expecation?18:58
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kerioan exception, maybe?18:59
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kerioor an expectation?18:59
ShadowJKexception, expectation, escapade?18:59
timelessit appears at least 3 times in that file19:01
timelessthe repo seems to have another similar word somewhere else19:01
timelessoh, right, some are plurals and some aren't19:01
timelessso just that one file19:01
timelessmy initial guess was ShadowJK 's #219:02
timelessbut i think kerio was right19:02
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DocScrutinizer05~spell expecation19:18
infobotpossible spellings for expecation: expectation expurgation explication execution expiation expedition expiration exaction expecting19:18
DocScrutinizer05timeless: the code of ibot's spell is public19:19
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DocScrutinizer05if that helps ;-)19:19
timelessyeah yeah19:19
timelessthe thing is, i have ms word too19:20
timelessbut humans will give me a shorter list19:20
timelesskerio: gave me exactly one answer (the right one)19:20
timelessShadowJK:  gave me 3, one was the wrong one i picked, one was right, and one was amusing19:20
timelessinfobot otoh, didn't have the right answer :)19:20
tadzikyay, n900 fixing time19:20
ArGGu^^hello, does anyone know if there is any guide to replace maemo with ubuntu on n900?19:23
tadzikI saw one, didn't work for me :)19:24
tadzikI think it's on the wiki somewhere19:24
tadzikubuntu wiki, actually19:24
ArGGu^^tadzik replace? not dual boot?19:24
tadzikoh, I don't know19:24
tadzikI know about
ArGGu^^because I have only found tutorials for dual booting19:24
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tadzik...why would you do that? :)19:24
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ArGGu^^tadzik I don't use it as phone anymore, I would like try to install ubuntu with lxde on it and have external monitor with tv-out and use touchscreen as mouse19:26
keriooh god19:26
ArGGu^^kerio ?19:26
ArGGu^^what problem with tv-out?19:26
kerioit's a fuzzy 640x480 at best19:27
ArGGu^^offcourse it has really low resolution, but I would connect into really small display so does not matter that much19:27
ArGGu^^but of course bigger screen that n900 own19:28
ArGGu^^well n900 does not have hdmi or vga output19:28
ArGGu^^so there nothing else than tv-out19:28
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DocScrutinizer05usb vga adapter ;-P19:30
kerioDocScrutinizer05: does usb have enough bandwidth to push 1024x768?19:30
kerioalso WHY DIGITAL D:19:31
kerioWHY ANALOG19:31
DocScrutinizer05depends on protocol you run there19:31
keriohm, 135MB/s19:32
kerioit fits in usb 2.0, right?19:32
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DocScrutinizer05no way19:32
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DocScrutinizer05usb2.0 max 400 Mb19:32
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ArGGu^^but there is also that 7" monitor with rca input does not cost much19:33
DocScrutinizer05but you don't want to push raw digitized video data thru USB. At 'worst' you do "raw mem writes" to the frame buffer in adapter19:34
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timelesstadzik: my n900's sim holder thingy has started being flaky19:40
timelesswhat's wrong w/ yours?19:40
tadziktimeless: flex cable19:41
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tadzikI just found screws for which I need a more precise screwdriver :F19:41
tadzikit looks as if someone bit it19:41
timelessi have a towel holder in my bathroom for which i need a more precise screwdriver :(19:41
keriotimeless: what the fuck19:42
kerioa *towel holder*?19:42
timelesskerio: lemme see if i can find a picture of a similar item19:42
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kerioi know what it is19:42
kerioi just can't figure out why you'd need a precision screwdriver19:42
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timelessit's a regular screw, but incredibly tiny, i think i need jeweler's regular screw driver for it19:44
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keriopics pls19:45
timelessit's something like
keriojust hammer it in19:45
timelessbut the hook part basically has an incredibly stupid anchor point19:46
timelesscloser to
timelesssee the glint at the bottom of that one?19:47
tadzikheh, I'll just get the piece alone and go to the store with it19:47
timelessthere's basically a screw there19:47
kerioif it's that small of a screw, it's hammerable :)19:47
timelessit hangs from a thing say 1/2 up from center19:47
timelessand the screw catches it to prevent it from coming off the wall19:47
timelessyou have to really get the screw in, otherwise it can basically lift off from the top19:48
timelesswhich is what happens if you pull on it/the towel on it19:48
timelessresulting in potentially hurt feet/unhappy floor19:48
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* timeless sighs19:51
timeless is totally unhelpful19:51
timelessok, i give up19:52
* timeless goes back to people who can't spell19:52
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ShadowJKtimeless; is "sim holder flaky" diagnosis based on crossed out sim icon in UI?19:54
timelessmore or less yes19:54
timelessthere's sometimes an info banner to go along w/ it19:54
timelesssometimes it comes back on its own, sometimes i give up and pull the battery and jiggle it19:54
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timelessdo you have a better diagnosis for me?19:54
* timeless is all ears19:54
ShadowJKtimeless; well no, it's just not related to sim holder19:55
ShadowJKIt progresses to not working at all, not even for emergency calls sim-less.19:55
ShadowJKUpper bound on N900 life, I think.19:56
timeless"Son, your phone is dying"19:56
ShadowJKI've had 2 N900 die that way.19:56
ShadowJKSecond degraded in 2 weeks, first took 2 months from first signs until unusability.19:56
timelessfwiw, Conversations has some issues19:57
timeless1. i have 3 or so google talk accounts19:57
timelessit claims that one of them is talking to a certain person19:57
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timelesswhen in fact, a different one is talking to that person19:57
ShadowJKBoth would reliably crash cellmodem (cat /proc/kmsg) when I pinched phone around ghjk on keyboard19:57
timeless2. it thinks that some sms's were never delivered, which means i'm stuck w/ a permanent stupid error message19:57
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timeless3. conversations likes to experience temporary amnesia for interactions w/ that conact19:58
timelesswhich is unfortunate, since that contact is ... "important"19:59
timelesshrm, better make those quotes asterisks :)19:59
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ShadowJKIt's fun when operators manage to pass smss in one direction, but ack in other direction doesn't arrive, and operator message centre retried regulary for 2 weeks20:00
ShadowJKrecipient gets a copy every half hour :)20:01
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timelessyeah, i'm basically not getting acks20:02
timelessi'm pretty sure they're partially arriving20:02
timelesssince the recipient isn't being flooded20:02
timelessbut i can't tell if the recipient got the message, so i manually flood20:03
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timelessanyone here familiar w/ .pbxproj ?20:13
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ShadowJKwell there are two kinds of acks afaik, the ones operators use, and then the ones that get generated on delivery to recipient's handset20:16
ShadowJKthe second one disappearing doesn't cause retransmits20:17
ShadowJKit's basically a plain sms that gets parsed by the phone and interpreted as delivery confirmation20:18
timelesshow would you spell Paul-Lee-Phil ?20:18
timelessit's a js term20:18
timelessbut i don't want to bias you to a spelling20:18
timelessso i intentionally didn't use many correct letters20:19
ShadowJKI thought you were trying to spell a Chinese-Korean name20:19
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timelessah, sorry20:19
ShadowJKPaul Lee Phil? polepile? what D:20:20
timelessShadowJK: as a hint, `ph` is often written as `f`20:21
timelessand some chinese write `lee` as `li`20:21
timelessalthough it can also be written in other ways...20:21
ShadowJKperl file?20:21
timelesssay the words faster together20:21
timelessand keep in mind the context is javascript20:21
timelessclose but, Phil is a short "i" and File is a long "i"20:22
ShadowJKdid I mention I don't know js?20:24
timelessthat'd hurt here :(20:24
timelessi'm not sure of the correct spelling fwiw20:24
timelessthe concept is basically "taking an object and using rough polymorphism to add ["fill"] missing properties / methods"20:25
timelessthe problem is consider "full of success"20:25
timelessis it "successfull" or "successful" ?20:25
ShadowJKfull of win20:26
timelesscheck out the word before APIs on that line :)20:27
ShadowJKI think you should ask the ministry of english composition20:27
ShadowJKhe's german20:27
gulycould you please share the drugs you took?20:27
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timelessguly: who? which? why?20:28
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gulyi'd like to try, seems impressive <g>20:28
ShadowJKguly; i think you'll find you already did20:29
ShadowJKthat's how good they are20:29
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* timeless wtf20:34
timelesscheck out the word before mediaId on
timelessany idea what they are trying to do there? :)20:35
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keriohungarian postfix notation20:39
kerioit's a short status20:39
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reenignEesreveRi dont have .themes and .icons folder in my home directory ... which application creates these?21:38
reenignEesreveRactually i have an app (blessn900) which is silently failing ... i strace'd it to find out that it is looking for these files and then failing21:39
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timelesscan someone who speaks git please hold my hand?21:47
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keriohow expensive is a wifi connection with powersaving and no data transfers?22:29
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Siceloa bit expensive.. i would disconnect22:32
ShadowJKIf no datatransfer: hard to tell difference22:39
ShadowJKBut "no datatransfer" is a bit difficult, or not, depending on router.22:40
ShadowJKMy WRT54GL + Tomato is very agressive in what it decides to filter out for powersaving clients. All the windows chatter that flies across the LAN it leaves out, and sometimes it leaves out ARP too, which sometimes creates a bit of connectivity issues :-)22:41
ShadowJKMy old AP didn't filter anything, everything on LAN broadcast was passed on over wifi too, and when there was 3 windows machines active, the power consumption was significant enough to be noticeable.22:42
keriohm, 10mA22:46
keriothat's not too bad, is it22:46
kerio(idle everything)22:46
keriothankfully i only have a windows machine and it's not on at the moment :)22:46
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ShadowJKSo that's double my "completely idle" test, in complete offline mode23:43
ShadowJKnot bad23:43
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GGonstill moving all my stuff off google23:54
GGonugh what a pain. i never realized how many things are associated with my gmail acct23:54
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