IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2012-08-24

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GeneralAntilles°F/°C bug with MeeCast and sowatch 0.4.100:05
ZogG_laptopGeneralAntilles: which watch do you have?00:17
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GeneralAntillesZogG_laptop, the original digital.00:19
GeneralAntillesI also ordered a graphite STRATA00:19
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ZogG_laptopGeneralAntilles: Metawatch strata?00:22
GeneralAntillesYeah00:22
ZogG_laptopone on kickstarter?00:22
ZogG_laptopi wanted but to costy for only 5 days battery and it accept only amazon. i don't have it and don't want it. i prefer paypal00:22
GeneralAntillesUh00:23
GeneralAntillesHow is it too costly for 5-days battery?00:23
GeneralAntillesDo you wear your watch to bed?00:23
ZogG_laptopGeneralAntilles: nope, but i don't think watch should be recharged every week. as well i have problems to charge things. i do it with phone only coz it's mostly half-dead or dead by time i go to sleep00:25
GeneralAntillesZogG_laptop, well, don't expect to own a Bluetooth watch any time soon. :)00:25
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ZogG_laptopGeneralAntilles: at least month :P00:26
GeneralAntillesYeah, not going to happen.00:26
GeneralAntillesI charge mine every night00:26
GeneralAntillesIt really doesn't bother me.00:27
Estel_meta watch is very fine, but tragically overpriced for my taste00:28
GeneralAntillesWay cheaper than a real watch.00:29
Estel_and honestly, I remember, when one guy did something like that for N900, based on arduino mini or smth like that, I though "who would ever need something like that?" :P00:29
Estel_w00t?00:29
Estel_maybe compared to some gold ones00:29
GeneralAntillesNope00:29
GeneralAntillesCompared to pretty much any decent watch00:30
GeneralAntillesThose usually start around ~$30000:30
Estel_erm, how much meta watch costs? maybe I'm not informed correctly?00:30
GeneralAntillesWas $19900:30
vi__GeneralAntilles: wtf00:30
Estel_no, seriously,00:30
GeneralAntillesThe Kickstarter was $15900:30
vi__casio f91w=$1000:30
Estel_You're talking about "decent" watches, or some where You pay for name?00:30
GeneralAntillesNo, not paying for name00:31
GeneralAntillesI'm talking about good quality entry-level jewelry watches.00:31
GeneralAntillesvi__, different category.00:31
Estel_call me poor man, i've payed 50$ for mine, and it's working like a charm for years - considered it pricey, at the time00:31
Estel_but metawatch isn't jewelry00:31
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Estel_jewel ones are expensive, sure, but it's paying for, erm, just like ipod :p00:32
ZogG_laptopbut it has bluetooth and nice stuff to pair with n900 and n900:32
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GeneralAntillesI get comments on mine at least once a week00:32
Estel_I would expect funcionality, funcionality, and funcionality, from bluetooth watch00:32
GeneralAntilles(and I don't go out that often)00:32
ZogG_laptopand decent watch is still about that price00:32
Estel_erm, just like with any expensive-not-too-usable-gadget00:32
Estel_metawatch is actually usable00:32
Estel_but I would hardly pay half the price00:32
GeneralAntillesEstel_, clearly it's not a product for you, then.00:32
ZogG_laptopif not battery and i having moeny prooblem i would buy00:33
Estel_not to mentio nthat i'm not necessary target group, due to my mentioned "who would need to use that?" I suppose, that there are many people, that would find good use case for it00:33
ZogG_laptopi had casio in army for about that price and it could survive any weather or situation(even throwing it at wall)00:33
Estel_GeneralAntilles, don't get me wrong - i'm not criticizing idea - I think that some people would really feel it comfortable (while for me, idea of forwarding things from portable enough device to watch is ridicolous)00:34
Estel_but price...00:34
GeneralAntillesZogG_laptop, did it let you incoming alerts on your wrist?00:34
Estel_where do you have benefit of vibra on wrist vs vibr aon pocket?:P00:34
Estel_vibra on pocket* sorry for typos00:34
GeneralAntillesI never feel vibra in pocket.00:35
ZogG_laptopGeneralAntilles: nope, i bought it just for army and it worked for about 4 years or more with one battery :P00:35
Estel_the more I talk about it, the more it looks like pricey gadget. This one at least seems to be free software friendly00:35
GeneralAntillesI also hate having to yank my phone out of my pocket to look at it.00:35
Estel_GeneralAntilles, why not half-transparent glasses with screen :P00:35
Estel_you wouldn't ever need to change viewing angle00:35
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Estel_seriously though, I agree, it may be comfortable in some situations. I definitelly doesn't need it, but I can imagine that people may get accustomed to this way of itneracting with mobile computer/phone in pocket00:36
GeneralAntillesEstel_, as of yet, nobody makes those for consumers yet00:36
ZogG_laptopEstel_: you can use it while riding bike or when you can't reach pocket. you can use it faster to switch music, read msg/email. to track the speed or mp while running and so on. it can be usefull.00:36
GeneralAntillesAlso: Google's version is $1500.00:36
Estel_it's jsut the price that put it into "more-gadget-than-useful" for me00:36
ZogG_laptopand price is fair as it's new market there00:36
Estel_GeneralAntilles, lol @ google's version00:36
Estel_well00:36
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Estel_if I would make them, i would probably never charge less for them, then :P00:36
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ZogG_laptopwait, in half year those would be as part of mobile :P00:37
Estel_still, not my cup of tea, but i'm sympathetic, as it seems to be 100% FOS(S) spirit, yes?00:37
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ZogG_laptopEstel_: i think it's pretty cheap for something barely existing. there are few of them and most of them are from kickstarter :00:37
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ZogG_laptopp00:37
Estel_GeneralAntilles, software is open yes? How hardware looks there?00:38
Estel_are they going to patent design?:P00:38
GeneralAntillesEstel_, whose software?00:38
Estel_running on metawatch00:38
GeneralAntillesOh00:38
GeneralAntillesYeah, it's open.00:38
Estel_I wonder, if it's moddable easily. Of course, if someone would dare to mod jewelery :P00:38
GeneralAntillesYes, you can load your own stuff on there without much trouble.00:39
ZogG_laptopEstel_: don't think hardware moddable easily00:39
GeneralAntilleshttps://github.com/MetaWatchOpenProjects00:39
Estel_sounds nice. If they're not going to patent hardware things (design, etc), I might be their target group, after all, just for sake of supporting nice projects00:39
ZogG_laptopbut software seems pretty nice. as well with n9 support already :P00:39
ZogG_laptopEstel_: why they shouldn't patent?00:40
Estel_GeneralAntilles, I wonder if software stack is easidly migrate-able for DIY things, like one guy did with arduino-mini, bluetooth stack, and custom made parts.00:40
Estel_ZogG, jsut my personal punk'ish anti-patent philosophy ;)00:40
Estel_I think that it leads to patent trolling, always, just earlier or later00:40
GeneralAntillesHaha. Two watches. Awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQMqK4ziz_E00:41
GeneralAntillesI had not thought of that.00:41
* Estel_ waves "hi" to stupid USA jury00:41
ZogG_laptopEstel_: that's why you need to patent as you gonna be sued even if you not :P00:41
Estel_and they complain, when women wear useless jewelery, eh?:P00:41
Estel_I don't like patents, since patent office denied me patenting a wheel00:41
ZogG_laptopanyway he has android and iphone4S so if you OpenSource where is maemo/mer ?00:43
Estel_OTOH, 5 days battery for such device feels awesome00:43
Estel_I mean, very long uptime00:43
ShadowJKEstel_; an australian guy already has that patent00:43
Estel_comparing normal watches lifetime on battery is comapring grapples to orranges, especially, that normal ones doesn't have rechargeable one00:43
Estel_ShadowJK, that's wh ythey to;d me to start walking upside down?:P00:44
ShadowJKand apple has patent on rectangle and triangle00:44
Estel_ZogG, I don't care what guy on vide is using personally, ih he make open source thing, that we can use with N900 without fighting with it00:44
Estel_RE'ing it00:44
Estel_etc00:44
Estel_ShadowJK, are we going to patent fractals?00:44
ZogG_laptopi think there is package for n90000:44
Estel_and who owns square?00:44
Estel_GeneralAntilles, You know what i'm dreaming of? wonder if will happen during my lifetime?00:45
ZogG_laptophttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD7FisaZsKM00:45
Estel_contact lens with special functions :)00:45
Estel_they have already succesfuly introduced conductive patches there, without eye suffering from wearing00:45
ZogG_laptophttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gyIET0gWJ0 and wt quick demo :P00:45
Estel_my personal all-winner device - contact lens with function of multyplying light input (to be enabled via remote, during nighttime, for example)00:46
Estel_things like semi-transparent screen on contact lense is just icing on cake00:46
Estel_on top*00:46
Estel_whatever00:46
ZogG_laptopwe all be like in that pixar animated movie00:47
ZogG_laptopWALL-E00:47
Estel_heck, I would even accept contact lenses that need applying some liquid (like eye medicals) to activate boosting light, and another one to deactivate it... but no much reason for it, after all, it can be controlled remotely via electronic00:47
Estel_hehe00:47
Estel_like it or not, bujt I'm 100% sure that screens on contact lenses WILL happen00:47
Estel_I'm jsut wondering if night vision wil lcome there too ;)00:48
Estel_or reverse IR filter, + strong IR diodes on clothing. Hah! my kind of jewelery00:48
ZogG_laptopi don't think we have still good night vision equipment00:49
Estel_GeneralAntilles, do you plan to cover freemangordon's annoucement (on maemo-development mailing list) about stable thumb2 on Maemo officialy confirmed to be flawless?00:49
GeneralAntillesEstel_, didn't see it.00:49
GeneralAntillesTweet a link to @mwkn.00:50
Estel_youre subscribed to maemo-development?00:50
ZogG_laptopi used and see some stuff in army, but still it's not that usefull. i would prefer good pocket light :P00:50
Estel_I don't use tweeter, don't remember?:P00:50
Estel_ZogG, but honestly, you claim to preffer ScamPal.. erm, paypal over amazon is LOL00:50
Estel_PayPal is most idiotic, thievish, PITA quasi-bank ever00:50
Estel_ZogG, currently available - even for civils - night visions devices satisfy me00:51
Estel_monoculars with powerful IR diodes or reflectors are kinda OK, for up to 500 m00:51
Estel_basically, it's all about power of IR light beam you may create00:51
ZogG_laptopEstel_: i don't want amazon as it doesn't properly support my country and it doesn't even send things here except books :P00:52
Estel_I see00:52
Estel_but PayPal is anti-trustable company00:52
Estel_in essence00:52
ZogG_laptopi use it only for ebay and it seems fine00:52
ZogG_laptopi don't keep money there as well00:52
Estel_sure, as it's e-bay sub-project :p00:52
ZogG_laptopso it's ok for me00:52
ZogG_laptopmade for ebay and used for ebay :P00:53
Estel_used by e-bay*00:53
Estel_as long as e-bay don't want to f*** you, youre fine00:53
Estel_but ebay is their customer, not You00:53
Estel_it's like giving own money to mafia, for safe keeping00:53
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Estel_paypal doesn't even respect law enforcement - it think it have right to freely take money from your account, up to 6 months after transaction00:54
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Estel_in fact, in my country, I'm starting a little anti-PayPal campaing, including goverment agencies, as IMO, PayPal is breaking law in many, many points00:54
Estel_OTOH, bitcoins price seems to be stabilized around 4-5 USD for bitcoin00:55
Estel_for a year or so00:55
Estel_maybe it will stabilize even more, so i'll be able to show paypal middle finger even more than I did actually00:55
Estel_GeneralAntilles, and this meta-watch, does it at least keep time OK without constant synchro with phone?00:56
Estel_probably hard to say, without testing for a 6 months or so :P00:57
Estel_and I hardly see anyone having it to wear it without phone connection for 6 months...00:57
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ZogG_laptopEstel_: i had this in army ( the huge thing on top is for night vision) http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A5:M4w-att.jpg00:58
GeneralAntillesEstel_, it does, but it's really not useful without a phone.00:58
ZogG_laptopand i used smaller versions for one eye only, that you can put00:59
Estel_GeneralAntilles, erm, i hope that it acts likle regular watch without phone?01:01
GeneralAntillesIt does.01:01
Estel_ZogG, lovely old M401:01
GeneralAntillesBut it's sort of pointless have a $200 Bluetooth watch if you're not going to have something connected to it.01:01
Estel_GeneralAntilles, jewelery watches costing much more are not connected too :P But I agree01:02
Estel_Well, I must admit that it like it, with Open nature being most magnetic part01:02
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zsolt_hunhi there.formatted from pc the internal 27gb storage card.but it is ot accesible inside my n90001:19
Estel_zsolt_hun, still here?01:21
Estel_have You formatted it as vfat01:21
Estel_(fat32)?01:21
zsolt_hunyes,fat3201:21
Estel_please, become root, and give me output of:01:22
Estel_mount01:22
Estel_(using pastebing or something like that)01:22
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Estel_also, write /dev/mmcblk0 and use tab for autocompletion (twice), give me result of this01:22
zsolt_hunmade 2 partitions,an 8gb ext3 and the less vfat01:22
Estel_I see01:22
Estel_vfat msut be first partition01:22
Estel_s/msut/must/01:23
infobotEstel_ meant: vfat must be first partition01:23
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Estel_/dev/mmcblk0p1 must be vfat, format less whatever You like. size of vfat is also irrelevant01:23
Estel_You've probably created first partition as ext3, yes?01:23
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zsolt_hunyes,that's the problem01:25
zsolt_hunthank you01:27
Estel_:) glad to help01:27
zsolt_hun:)01:28
ShadowJKWhen accessing through PC, there must not be a partition table at all01:28
zsolt_hunformatted the first part as fat32 27gb and the less with ext3 8gb01:35
zsolt_hunbut can't mount it inside phoe01:36
zsolt_hunphone01:36
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ShadowJKIf you're trying to repartition the emmc, it can't be done in mass storage mode from PC01:45
zsolt_hunok,that was the problem,thank you01:46
zsolt_huntrying with mk2fs iside phone01:47
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ShadowJKWell, if you mke2fs on patition 2, you'll find your device doesn't boot anymore01:51
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ShadowJKThere's probably a wiki article on how to "safely" repartition emmc01:52
zsolt_huni trying to find it01:54
RiDEstel_ , until there's special contact lenses out there, you can train your eye to look with an offset at night02:03
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Estel_RiD, what offset?0_o?02:43
RiDwell, i'm no02:49
RiD*i'm no expert and all02:49
RiDbut the "center" of your eye thing (apologize for my lack of english eye terms knowledge) doesn't receive as much as light as the part around it02:49
RiDso if you get used at looking with some vertical offset (or horizontall, depends on your situation) and then focus on what would be the center if you didn't add offset02:50
RiDyou will see more light02:50
RiDhorizontal*. For example, pretend you are in a house with the lights turned off, and you live in a place where there's only one or two illumination posts outside, and no traffic or any other bright light02:51
RiDyou will see the night sky brighter when you're not directly looking at the window02:51
RiDbut when you look at it, it kind of disappears02:51
RiD^rough and plain non technical explanation02:52
RiDEstel_ http://www.wikihow.com/See-in-the-Dark. FIrst tip explains it properly02:53
Estel_thanks, will definitelly read it. For some reasons, I see i nthe dark better than most people - always roaming freely, where other people use lights - but improving it even more would be nice :)02:54
RiDMe too, but that's partially because i'm color blind02:54
RiDMy father knew some school buddies which had pretty awesome night vision.02:55
RiDhe said their eyes would glow a little bit at night lol02:55
Estel_hehe, last one was definitelly a joke ;)02:55
Estel_but, in fact, never though about this side effect of being color-blind. I'm not, and during night it also take less light for me to lose color orientation, than others02:56
RiDI wouldn't be that sure02:56
RiDhttp://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2012/01/x-men-irl-chinese-mutant-can-see-in-the-dark02:56
RiDthat article is kind of a conspiration joke, but the chinese kid part is legit02:57
Estel_he, he02:58
Estel_lol, tip 1 fromt his wiki howto page is ok, but 2 is plain wrong, totally, unless someone want to really damage vision03:02
Estel_and 5 is even more ridicolous, not to mention [citation needed]03:02
Estel_4 is interesting, didn't knew about that03:02
RiDi only do the 1st tip03:02
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Estel_meantime: http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Ninja03:16
Estel_:rotfl:03:16
Estel_it would be plain stupid, if not the feeling, to the very last word, that you're not sure if author was totally serious or totally pulling one's leg03:17
Estel_if they're so smart, they could write article "how to replace bme in 10 steps" :rotfl:03:17
RiDlolo03:20
RiDhttp://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Fat-Girl03:24
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fosstuxHi! Is it possible to flash a n90 using a mac?03:43
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GeneralAntillesfosstux,04:05
GeneralAntillesyes04:05
GeneralAntilles~flashing04:05
infobotmethinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware04:05
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DocScrutinizer05~botsnack04:33
infobotDocScrutinizer05: thanks04:33
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zeq1Having figured out how to use mercurial + mq, I've now created a mozilla tree containing romaxa's IPCLite patchset and our Maemo5 patchset.  Build underway...11:22
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vi_zeq1: I await your results with anticipation!14:36
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zsolt_hi there.i try to install nitrdroid on n900,but i would prefer bootmenu,instead multiboot.need some advice.thank you15:06
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Estel_aweosme number of people attended last council meeting =) see logs23:14
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ShadowJKlet me guess, 1?23:33
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