| ShadowJK | maybe it just lists the permissions used | 00:00 |
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| kerio | do you want to know what the "app" is sending/receiving? just use wireshark or tshark | 00:03 |
| kerio | or, again, just look at the fucking source code | 00:04 |
| kerio | every package in extras* has the source code | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: ( <Estel_> but, if I insert battery too early - for example, 30 seconds after removal, instead of waiting 2 minutes - it turns itself on instantly, when I put battery in) bq24150 and/or 1707 PHY misconfigured. Probably a kernel problem | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually it needs a few minutes battery removal to reset those chips to proper state. see: | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flatbatrecover | 00:10 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 00:10 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a few minutes... what if one still has a good bupbat? | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bupbat doesn't power bq24150 nor 1707 | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just small capacitors | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | c1113 150uF, c1146 10uF... | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you may short battery connector pins (in N900) with some conducting object to reduce time for discharging those | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but actually the faulty config *might* as well happen in TWL4030 GAIA, which afaik detects vbus, and that chip indeed is powered by bupbat | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's known you might configure it in a way it will forbid powerup of device | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw all this (and more, worse) may happen if you accept "patches" to kernel like the I2C-locking disable patch introduced to make bq27200.ko work | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, this "i2c-locking disable" patch is a history since looong time ago, i.e. it doesn't exist in KP for ages | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's my rationale to oppose any unreviewed untested patches to the lately discussed "cssu kernel" | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | personally, I don't use bq27200 at all - reading all things from i2c - but afaik bq27200 may be used properly if loaded before or without bme | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: yes, I know. I spotted the problem and I made it vanish | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | and bless You :) | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | btw, it's sane to keep heavy experimental things like bq2415 charging outside cssu-kernel | 01:12 |
| Estel_ | and afaik it was the plan from beginning? | 01:12 |
| Estel_ | anyway, thanks for Your pointers where problem may lie in kernel, I'll forward it to Pali, too | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the severity/danger of undetected lateral effects of any patches can't be deduced from the primary nature of the patch | 01:13 |
| Estel_ | as I'm 99,99% sure that it started with latest KP and my experiments with bq2415 module charging | 01:13 |
| Estel_ | sure, sure, that's what KP is for (such experimental things like modules for bme-less charging) until they're rock solid. No one opposed way of thinking about kernel-power as extras-experimental :) | 01:14 |
| Estel_ | and "kernel" for cssu as place for patches and things stable for ages | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | what makes me wonder about this particular trouble, is that no one else reported it. I'm the only one using bq2415 for charging?... | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | + reinob, but he purged half of blobs, including act-dead itself :P | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I2C-fuckup been considered "stable for ages" since nobody associated the problems it definitely introduced to the nature of the patch | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | personally, I use bq2415.ko for charging exclusively | 01:16 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, afaik it was never stable - just added in times of Titan, when he applied every path without review... | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | and before people like You, freemangordon, Pali etc. reviewed whole KP | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | next thing like that - some good in nature, but unfinished, unmaintained, and kinda random addon - highpass filter in kernel, submitted by luke-jr after new KP duo got estabilished, was detected in minutes | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, before Titan "reviewed" whole KP. A single developer looking cursory across the source is not any sane review, no matter if done by me, Pali, FMG, or Titan | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | Titan never reviewed it :P | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | then, left without single note, which made it even harder to properly review | 01:18 |
| vi__ | ~seen a pair of boobs in my life | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | it took some time for Pali, fmg and others to clear mess | 01:19 |
| infobot | vi__: i haven't seen 'a pair of boobs in my life' | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, btw, afaik this highpass thing go detected by kp users not from everyday usage, but from reviewing code (!) and then quickly confirmed by fmg | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | wasn't it vi_ who detected it? | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what yiu're talking about | 01:20 |
| Estel_ | kinda a feat, as path was described wrong way, and brief look at it wasn't resulting in suspicious observations | 01:20 |
| Estel_ | there was some good idea path by... Nox? I don't remember | 01:20 |
| Estel_ | kernel controlled filters, ages ago | 01:21 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: afaik you can implement an FIR filter on the sound chip...or something. | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | main goal was to inroduce hardware equalizer, but idea got abandoned | 01:21 |
| vi__ | Estel_: the hardware already supports it. | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: I know, as it's again been me who spotted that (well together with HNZ or what's been his name) | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | then, luke-jr got old code from this abandoned project, messed it a little, and submitted to KP as ultimate speaker protection | 01:21 |
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| Estel_ | the problem is, that it was filtering low frequencies no matter if You use headphones or speakers or fmtx or... | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | +, code was not maintained, no one wazs interested in maintaining it, and it wasn't submitted by original author :P | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | i.e. standard for KP in Titan's times, with all due respect | 01:23 |
| vi__ | ~seen titan | 01:23 |
| infobot | titan <~zero@pdpc/supporter/student/titan> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 862d 12h 36m 55s ago, saying: 'extra ips on the default interface'. | 01:23 |
| Estel_ | that's why things like i2c-fuckup were included, then. But, hardware highpass got worse luck, as it was submitted in times of real maintainership over KP | 01:23 |
| vi__ | they re-made total recall. | 01:24 |
| vi__ | without arnie. | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | well, our whole discussion about act-dead fuckup proves, that many people, even far frommbeing kernel hackers, are interested in hammering bugs :P | 01:24 |
| vi__ | blasphemy | 01:24 |
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| Estel_ | vi__, You're using thumb and KP | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | havemYou tried bq2415 module? | 01:25 |
| vi__ | yes. | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | for charging? | 01:25 |
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| vi__ | nope | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | well, I use it exclusively and it works great, especially for charging 3Ah behemot battery with 1250 mAh instead of 950 ;) | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | but, introduced strange bug | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | turn device off, and on every ON attempt, it thinks it's in act-dead | 01:26 |
| vi__ | act dead mode can suck my balls. | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | or "it thinks it *should* go into act-dead" | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | got rid of it? :) | 01:26 |
| vi__ | just set power_button r&d flag. | 01:26 |
| vi__ | problem solved. | 01:26 |
| vi__ | no more act dead | 01:27 |
| vi__ | ever. | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | it solves charging in act-dead when connecting to charger? I've forget about it, totally | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | well, honestly, act_dead is a biatch, no bootmenu, no backupmenu, no u-boot... I wonder if I should be happy that butbat is flat | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | it depends, if it's gaia problem or this 1st one | 01:28 |
| vi__ | just set power_button r&d flag. | 01:28 |
| vi__ | no more act dead | 01:29 |
| vi__ | problem solved. | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | yea, just after I'll help in tracoing down issue, as it should be fixed in KP nevertheless | 01:29 |
| vi__ | it is a kludge. | 01:29 |
| vi__ | idgaf. | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | If my 5V capacitors are charged when device is off, it is a problem, no matter of act_dead | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd say the only thing this "discussion" shows is that patches going to KP do not see even the minimum of review and QA needed for kernel patches | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, every thing we discuss about is in -devel | 01:30 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: feel free. | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: and you think it will get review before moving from -devel to KP ? | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | Well, replacing bme is such a thing, that I don't mind hammering a bug or two in the process :) | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | sure, it's what I'm participating now, in a small part :) | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you obviously have no concept of a proper review process | 01:32 |
| Estel_ | name a single bug in KP in extras (not fixed later in further releases)) | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ another evidence that you don't | 01:32 |
| vi__ | Estel_: poweroff on reboot bug. | 01:32 |
| Estel_ | fortunately, I'm not talking about new android toy for masses, so I don't need to give a shit about corporate review standards, and can follow regular FOSS way of people contributing via using -devel... | 01:32 |
| Estel_ | vi__, there are reports of it happening without KP | 01:33 |
| Estel_ | i.e. on stock | 01:33 |
| Estel_ | this one is a real biatch, probably result of many different modifications | 01:33 |
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| vi__ | idgaf anymore | 01:34 |
| Estel_ | If poweroff on reboot ever get fixed, I'm going to open '36 bootle of wine | 01:34 |
| Estel_ | vine | 01:34 |
| Estel_ | even | 01:34 |
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| Estel_ | (and hope that it's not acid yet) | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: that's bullshit. The regular FOSS way to contribute kernel patches is exactly what I refer to, demand, and see is not folllowed a singe bit for KP | 01:35 |
| Estel_ | erm, like? | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rewgular (FOSS) way for review of kernel patches: publish patch on LKML, so several hundered *really* experienced experts for that particular topic can review and comment | 01:36 |
| Estel_ | ough, several hundred kernel hackers? out of our all 2 of them? | 01:36 |
| Estel_ | well, maybe 3 or 4 | 01:36 |
| Estel_ | I think You've missed scale, better compare us to things like openwrt, than to upstream kernel patches | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't substitute that by "review" done by Pali, estel, DocS, FMG and declaring patch "rock solid" after a few months in some marginal test kernel used by a few hundered users | 01:37 |
| Estel_ | not to mention that some things from KP already got upstreamed, IIRC | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | theres no difference between KP and any other kernel | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | few hundred users would be a heaven, as we have few hundred power users as whole Maemo base | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this day's lesson finished, afk | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | well, there is difference - KP is targeted for single device users. It's even less than openwrt, which work on few dozens of devices and really got few thousand of active power users | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | even they don't follow Your way, as it's not scalable, unfortunately, for less than few ten thousands active users | 01:39 |
| Estel_ | what we have in KP looks *very* sane for resources that we have in hand, IMO | 01:39 |
| Estel_ | today's polemic finished, going back to hammering out bq2415 bugs by extensive testing in all possible scenarios, before reporting :P | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, KP looks *very* sane for what KP is. KP is not the default kernel though, and no way to move KP to CSSU-kernel, even when we kick out some 10% of most suspicious patches, since the remaining 90% are as well without any sane review that's mandatory for a solid kernel meant for regular users. Your own words: "few hundred users would be a heaven, as we have few hundred power users as whole Maemo base". suggests this KP thing by no | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | means is tested for CSSU-grade standards applicable to kernel | 01:58 |
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| Luke-Jr | Estel_: meh, I never said it was ultimate speaker protection; I said it was better than nothing at all, which it still is | 04:33 |
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| jpinx | how do I force a fsck at boot time - dmesg is giving me a lot of warnings like "FAT: Filesystem error (dev mmcblk0p1) fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos <various numbers>) | 10:39 |
| jpinx | and I seem to have lost dev/usb0 - it's not available when I ifconfig -a but it is showing is dmesg - any ideas? | 10:41 |
| jpinx | maemo in N900 | 10:41 |
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| joga | hmm, that's MyDocs right? open a terminal, get root, do umount /home/user/MyDocs && fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1, and maybe run fsck a few times until it says it's clean, then mount it again or reboot | 10:45 |
| joga | ^ jpinx | 10:46 |
| kerio | hm | 10:46 |
| kerio | don't actually do that | 10:46 |
| joga | oh, why? | 10:46 |
| kerio | do fsck on a real computer | 10:46 |
| kerio | jog | 10:46 |
| kerio | er | 10:46 |
| kerio | joga: it'll take *ages* | 10:46 |
| kerio | or something | 10:47 |
| joga | hmm, I've done it a few times, it doesn't take that long I think | 10:47 |
| kerio | a computer is still faster though :) | 10:47 |
| joga | unless I remember wrong. I've also done it with a puter | 10:47 |
| kerio | jpinx: if your usb port still works... | 10:47 |
| jpinx | usb is dead | 10:47 |
| jpinx | it's not coming up with ifconfig -a | 10:48 |
| joga | btw, does touch /forcefsck do anything in maemo? | 10:48 |
| jpinx | but I see references to it in dmesg | 10:48 |
| joga | (in debian at least it'll fsck at boot if it sees that file) | 10:48 |
| * jpinx reboots... again | 10:48 | |
| joga | though in this case it wouldn't do the right thing anyway | 10:48 |
| kerio | joga: i think kernel-power-settings has a way of forcing fsck | 10:49 |
| kerio | but for /home, not MyDocs | 10:49 |
| jpinx | rebooted -- still no sign of usb= | 10:50 |
| jpinx | rebooted -- still no sign of usb0 | 10:50 |
| jpinx | but dmesg tells me that musb_hrdc periph: enabled eplout for bulk OUT, maxpacket 512 | 10:51 |
| kerio | wait, what | 10:52 |
| kerio | usb0 is the network iface | 10:52 |
| jpinx | yes | 10:52 |
| kerio | oh, two separate problems | 10:52 |
| kerio | jpinx: lsmod | grep g_ | 10:52 |
| jpinx | Hmmm -- no virtual kbd either - so no way top type | | 10:53 |
| kerio | what the *fuck* did you do | 10:53 |
| kerio | also use ssh | 10:53 |
| jpinx | reflashed and tried to get ssh towork | 10:54 |
| jpinx | now no ssh cos no usb0 | 10:54 |
| kerio | ...wifi? | 10:54 |
| jpinx | nope | 10:54 |
| kerio | anyway, you need to put the phone in "pc suite" mode, but you probably know that | 10:54 |
| kerio | (so g_nokia is loaded, and not g_file_storage) | 10:55 |
| jpinx | it's refusing to go into PCSuite mode | 10:55 |
| jpinx | manually grepping lsmod for g_ shows file storage | 10:56 |
| jpinx | even after multiple re-plugging into the laptop | 10:57 |
| jpinx | kerio: what will show me why it doesn't allow PCSuite mode? | 10:58 |
| jpinx | it's not coming up in mass storage either -- only allows me charging only mode | 10:59 |
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| asaint | hello guys i have a simple question will installing maemeemo remove my current installation packages and the power kernel and mostly cleven or just will change the look of my device thank you | 11:51 |
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| asaint | hello guys i have a simple question will installing maemeemo remove my current installation packages and the power kernel and mostly cleven or just will change the look of my device thank you | 12:10 |
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| kerio | wtf is maemeemo | 15:28 |
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| archangelmichael | seems a new look for n900 | 15:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | kerio: it's swipe like UI on maemo? | 15:49 |
| kerio | ew | 15:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think it's nemo UI on maemo5, not sure | 15:49 |
| archangelmichael | it's a mix maemo nimo and meego i think | 15:49 |
| archangelmichael | but does it change the core of maemo ....? | 15:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | archangelmichael: haha, you are my archangel :P | 15:50 |
| archangelmichael | I want to install and try just afraid if i might loose things i have like the power kernel cleven will still work? | 15:51 |
| archangelmichael | data ?? | 15:51 |
| archangelmichael | ZogG_laptop, am i :P | 15:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | archangelmichael: backup first for sure | 15:52 |
| archangelmichael | ZogG_laptop, you seem to know what will happen once installed is it a new maemo thing? | 15:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | make full copy :P | 15:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | archangelmichael: i don't think you should try, why would you want it, try nemo as dual boot or try this as dual boot as possible | 15:52 |
| archangelmichael | will i loose the power kernel plus my cleven foncunality | 15:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | as=if* | 15:53 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i dunno how it is installed and what does it installs | 15:53 |
| archangelmichael | well i thought to give it a try | 15:53 |
| archangelmichael | in that case i will keep maemo maybe try dual boot later on | 15:53 |
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| archangelmichael | feels much safer with dual boot | 15:54 |
| archangelmichael | does anyone knows if maemo will support an another device than the n900 | 15:55 |
| archangelmichael | besides n9 having meego | 15:56 |
| archangelmichael | i just wish n950 was for end users | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | maemo is dead | 15:59 |
| archangelmichael | not for me as long as i have my n900 :) | 16:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | jacekowski: :( | 16:01 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: maemo is dead and YOU killed it! | 16:14 |
| jon_y | maemo is dead, long live maemo! | 16:21 |
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| narcos | Hey all. Could anyone recommend a UK repair shop for N900's busted USB ports? | 16:59 |
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| narcos | Anyone use the OS X maemo flasher? | 17:33 |
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| kerio | narcos: me | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: what makes you think your USB port is busted? | 18:35 |
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| narcos | kerio: Any advice on which image to download from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ? I live in the UK - and see there's a UK version - not sure what the difference is? | 20:09 |
| kerio | narcos: the Global one | 20:10 |
| kerio | it works on every hardware, iirc | 20:10 |
| kerio | the difference is with fmtx availability | 20:10 |
| narcos | DocScrutinizer: The phone won't charge unless I jiggle the USB plug around | 20:10 |
| narcos | kerio: Right, thanks, I'll use that one | 20:10 |
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| narcos | DocScrutinizer: Actually, Nokia's karma is against me. I have two N900's - both with a similar USB port problem... One I've just repaired with a bit of solder, the other charges if I twist the plug counter clockwise (I assume it has a loose connection too). | 20:11 |
| narcos | I don't want to solder the second one as I just got it on eBay - I'm trying to return to sender | 20:12 |
| narcos | (which is why I want to re-image) | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, when you twist plugs, I guess that's r | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the reason where your problems arise from | 20:12 |
| narcos | I've only twisted it in order to get it to charge | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you ever considered that the plug could as well be defect, not only the receptacle? | 20:13 |
| narcos | I've tried two different wall chargers, and a PC USB cable | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and your reüports were quite non-coherent | 20:14 |
| narcos | Pardon? | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, sorry, I tried to help the last few days, you weren't really interested. Now I feel it's futile to try | 20:16 |
| narcos | DocScrutinizer05: No I appreciated your help - you suggested it was a software issue | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, if you can reflash to send back the supposedly USB-borked device, you're creating a nice paradoxon | 20:18 |
| narcos | DocScrutinizer05: And at the time, it seemed like it might be - but before I got around to reloading the image, my second phone arrived - so I diverted my attention to that one - which developed a similar problem the first time I tried to charge it. | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, and that doesn't make you wonder? | 20:19 |
| narcos | Should it? The only common element would be the mains electricity supply | 20:19 |
| kerio | and *you* | 20:19 |
| narcos | I promise I'm not rough handling them. | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yu might use a defect plug that in turn ruins the receptacles | 20:20 |
| narcos | The second phone came with all its own kit... | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply "inserts" dirt on the contacts | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you restored some defect software to both phones | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or it's PEBCAK | 20:21 |
| narcos | :-( | 20:21 |
| narcos | Well, sorry to have bothered you. I'll venture on without bugging you. | 20:22 |
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| kerio | that went well | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I anticipated that reaction | 20:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 shrugs and wanders on doings more appropriate things for outside temepratures >35°C | 20:24 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 just utters a suspicion that recently "something" messed up USB/charging/MSM for quite a number of people... | 20:29 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 looks direction KP51 and bq24150.ko "charger" | 20:30 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-18 21:50:18] <Estel_> kerio, confirming, this bug seems to have something to do with latest bq2415 things in KP | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | might even imagine a situation / bug-behaviour where introducing an anormal situation like D+/-short NOT given anymore, by turning plug, might cause the shite to start working again | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course nobody ever should apply any force to USB plug other than needed to cleanly and straight mating/unmating it | 20:35 |
| kerio | somehow i think mating with your usb port would lead to problems | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trying to "test" USB by applying levering or torque force is a really insane thing | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | only method you *might* use to test USB mechanically is placing the device on table with your finger under USB plug - but then do NOT apply any force to device, by touching screen or typing on hw kbd! | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incidentally this is the only force vector that might cause loose pins on receptacle touch the PCB pads again | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and weight of device is the max force the USB may take without you damaging an otherwise completely intact USB receptacle | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict mating cycle | 20:52 |
| infobot | could not find definition for mating cycle | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pfff | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | google for "expected number of mating cycles" | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I got a standard size A plug here that instantly ruins any USB receptacle I plug it to | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm quite sure such thing happens even more easily on micro-USB | 20:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://etherealmind.com/network-dictionary-mating-cycles/ | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>SMA connectors are rated for 500 mating cycles..<< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMA_connector#Connector_design | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somehow I think kerio shouldn't discuss technical issues with EE | 21:04 |
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| Estel_ | home, sweet home :) i'm back from vacations, for good | 21:52 |
| Estel_ | travelling for a day @ 32 C degrees is quite a experience | 21:53 |
| Estel_ | an* | 21:53 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | just been reading the logs about mating cycles, lol | 23:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | i believe uUSB can have 10000 meaning if you charge once a day your device should last 27 years. (if my math is correct) | 23:11 |
| kerio | that's very little time :( | 23:13 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Considerably better than 13 years for miniUSB and 4 years for a standard A/B USB. | 23:28 |
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| Jef91 | is there a way to change the blue "NOKIA" at the n900 startup? | 23:33 |
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| kerio | Jef91: that's NOLO i think | 23:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75504 | 23:40 |
| Jef91 | nolo kerio ? | 23:40 |
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