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| DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-13 21:11:10] <teotwaki_> ~ping | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-13 21:11:10] <infobot> ~pong | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-13 21:11:11] <teotwaki_> ~ping | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-13 21:11:13] <teotwaki_> ~ping | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-13 21:11:22] <teotwaki_> ah, finally | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-13 21:11:25] <teotwaki_> that was a long lag. | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, the question is; where? | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or just http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-08-13.log.html#t2012-08-13T22:11:09 | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: botsnack | 00:42 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer05 | 00:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf? | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, povbot missing in the list | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (for those wondering: my IRC client sorts userlist by "+o, +v, <others>" | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ) | 00:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | quite convenient on #freenode as well as watching 'official' bots here | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as well as *for* | 00:47 |
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| zsolt_hun | hi there | 01:25 |
| trumee | channel been a bit low today | 01:25 |
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| zsolt_hun | how is it possible to extract initrd and vmlinuz from maemo n900 package? | 01:26 |
| trumee | is there any utility to test microsd speed on N900? | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | low? | 01:32 |
| trumee | traffic | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zsolt_hun: you'll have a hard time extracting initrd from maemo5 | 01:32 |
| zsolt_hun | i need a initrd and vmlinuz for debian that is compatible with my n900 | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too bad | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and what makes you think you'll find such initrd in maemo5? | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ # cat /proc/mtd | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ # less -f /dev/mtd4ro | 01:36 |
| zsolt_hun | thank you very much | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no sarcasm please! I demonstrated you how to learn there's no initrd in maemo5 | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a real hacker would've answered "not at all" - if anything | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 01:43 |
| infobot | question is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 01:43 |
| zsolt_hun | you are right | 01:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you even learnt there's an unused partition on N900 you could use for doing awesome 1337 stuff | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I wasn't able to deliver a receipe how to create a proper initrd from easy-debian | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (not that I rhink this could be done at all) | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway neither maemo5 nor mer nor meego nor nitdroid needs an initrd for all I know. why would you? | 02:03 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 is temped to check wikipedia initrd to find "a dirty halfarsed hack to speed up system boot. obsoleted by modified suspend-to-disk schemes" | 02:14 | |
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| nox- | i thought the main reason for initrds was linux bootloaders couldnt preload modules individually? | 02:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what monolithic kernels were made for | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, before initrd came, you needed to build a kernel with monolithic modules for your rootfs and graca and whatnot else | 02:30 |
| nox- | yeah | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily our variance in hw configs is rather limited in embedded | 02:31 |
| nox- | i guess | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so no use in 'latebinding' kernel with modules needed for booting | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we can already ship right kernel "from factory" | 02:32 |
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| nox- | so there zsolt has why n900 has no initrd | 02:33 |
| nox- | and he left | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nowadays bootloaders are able to load not only initrd but complete full fledged system RAM images from HDD | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | called resume-from-HDD | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik windoze never gets booted nowadays, only "resumed" from a master suspended image | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably it also would be faster to "swap in" 250MB from a r/o swap partition rather than initialize maemo each time again | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | boot once, "suspend to disk", copy that "swap" to a r/o file, and resume from that, then immediately "reswap" to proper r/w swap partition | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no rocketscience | 02:43 |
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| ShadowJK | 32 days uptime on n900 | 05:01 |
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| ShadowJK | if I get to 60 I'll consider my last tweak having fixed the occasional I/O deadlocks that have put upper limits on system stability before | 05:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: well, I'm absolutely sure I've seen uptimes >100 days on N900, so what exactly are the triggers for those instabilities? | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ $ uptime | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 06:40:04 up 136 days, 7:35, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ $ uname -a | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Linux t900 2.6.28.10power46 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 12 03:11:24 EET 2010 armv7l unknown | 07:30 |
| jpinx | I didn't record the uptime - but one of my n900's was up for about 6 months without break | 07:46 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: I/O locking the system for long enough for the watchdog to bite? | 08:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | never seen that happen on mine | 08:04 |
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| kerio | is there a way to do a file copy with a speed meter? | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly watchdog never kicked in, even when I managed to run system into massive swaphell where it took literally hours to recover from increasing deadlock | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | speed meter? | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use dd if you want speed meter | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or mc | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rsync | 08:07 |
| kerio | dd only shows the speed meter at the end, if you don't sigusr1 it repeatedly | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you haven | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 't | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | specified what kind of speedmeneter you want at all | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's even -v on cp | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and then there's iotop, or iostat or whatever it's called | 08:09 |
| kerio | meh, emmc->emmc speeds vary wildly during the copy | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a dedicated bytecounter for pipes, like cat foo|meter|cat >dest | 08:10 |
| kerio | i hope you mean meter <foo >dest | 08:12 |
| kerio | >:( | 08:12 |
| kerio | hmm, emmc->usd speeds are a bit higher | 08:14 |
| kerio | but they still drop after a bit | 08:14 |
| kerio | meh :c | 08:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I dunno about any progress bar thingie. All I ever need is (in) mc, dd, and zenity | 08:26 |
| Macer | i remember long ago mv and cp having a progress bar or % thing | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh? | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe on msdos | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 08:29 |
| Macer | heh | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rsync seems to do what you want | 08:29 |
| Macer | no ;) | 08:29 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: yeah i guess but the cp/mv in slackware a decade ago had it integrated | 08:30 |
| Macer | i mean it wasn't a dealbreaker but still... i thought it was a nice thing to have | 08:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't sound like linux/unix | 08:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe some builtin in some weird messybox-alike shell | 08:31 |
| Macer | possibly | 08:32 |
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| joga | (didn't read whole buffer) you can pipe stuff through 'pv' to get a progress bar | 08:32 |
| joga | not sure if it was in the repos though :) | 08:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pv :-) thanks joga | 08:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though that seems not exactly a standard unix-tool | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even on my desktop | 08:34 |
| joga | yeah I guess | 08:34 |
| joga | http://www.ivarch.com/programs/pv.shtml | 08:34 |
| joga | when I once found such exists I kinda wished it or something similar was part of the core utils | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess wc could use some more modes | 08:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, no PC will get touched by me that has not either MC or at least NC | 08:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mc as much a standard as is bash, in my book ;-) | 08:40 |
| joga | I never really got used to using stuff like mc | 08:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, mc isn't that useful when you're not used to it | 08:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if however you're used to mc, it's faster than cmdline, by far | 08:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit it's not THAT useful on tiny screen like N900 | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need a certain minimum display size to use it | 08:53 |
| joga | I guess I've been stuck with using the command line for most stuff since I used to use symbian putty to access the shell and the terminal size issues sometimes mean that progs crash or refuse to start etc | 08:55 |
| joga | but I've sometimes checked some ncurses file managers etc, but haven't bothered to learn them so it would be faster to use for me | 08:56 |
| joga | should I do that though, I guess I would learn the most common one | 08:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so mc :-) | 09:14 |
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| joga | DocScrutinizer05 yeah, well, it's what I've probably used the most (or nc in dos), which isn't much :) | 09:22 |
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| jpinx | When I download usb-network-modules.deb and try to install manually I get "Unable to install 'usb-network-modules'. -- Incompatible application package." What am I doing wrong? | 11:48 |
| jpinx | I got the same when trying to install open ssh :( | 11:49 |
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| timo^ | I'm trying to install Ubuntu 12.04 on a 16GB uSD card. When I try to start it with Uboot it gives the error 'Wrong ramdisk format' and I'm dropped in a shell... | 13:25 |
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| kerio | timo^: i think the ramdisk format isn't the right one | 13:48 |
| timo^ | and how do I change it? :) | 13:52 |
| kerio | beats me | 13:53 |
| kerio | why do you even want to install ubuntu 12.04 on your n900? | 13:53 |
| kerio | ubuntu dropped armel support since 9.10 | 13:53 |
| timo^ | just for fun :P | 13:53 |
| timo^ | (now I have Meego, 'cause Ubuntu didn't work ;) ) | 13:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jpinx: use armel packages, not x86 | 14:13 |
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| vi_ | zeq: ping | 14:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hi vi_ | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | got your git? | 14:19 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; heavy read/write load to emmc, home and swap simultaneously | 14:23 |
| ShadowJK | iirc this deadlock never triggered for me with just heavy swapping | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmmmm | 14:24 |
| ShadowJK | but for example downloading stuff with gpodder and opening a heavy web page would often be the trigger for me, but only after weeks of uptime | 14:24 |
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| ShadowJK | the device actually in best situation doesn't become totally unresponsive, just that only stuff in ram works | 14:25 |
| ShadowJK | so if you accidentally trigger wm or h-d to try fault in a page not in ram, device becomes practically unusable | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah | 14:27 |
| ShadowJK | and recovery then consists of holding powerbutton which triggers shutdown, which stalls, then watchdog resets device | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flash in microb can do this | 14:27 |
| ShadowJK | Note that when all this happens, it's not because I/O is swamping system, I/O stalls. The queues are full, but the i/o devices sit idle doing nothing. | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 14:29 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc this article, of all unlikely places, was what made me try slice_idle=0: http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH68863 | 14:31 |
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| zobi8225 | hi do you continue tu use matchbox for your WM ? | 15:38 |
| zobi8225 | is it a good WM ? | 15:39 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK: what's slice_idle? | 15:43 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK: so... what are your fixes regarding I/O speed and stability? | 18:01 |
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| sLumPia | hi guys, i have a question. i just reflashed my phone and installed thumb2 | 18:43 |
| sLumPia | is it okay if i also install kernel power? | 18:43 |
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| sLumPia | or i should install kernel power first, then thumb2 | 18:44 |
| sLumPia | ? | 18:44 |
| kerio | sLumPia: if you followed the TMO thread, then you already have something very similar to KP51r1 | 18:45 |
| kerio | kernel-cssu is really just a rebrand of kernel-power | 18:45 |
| kerio | if you want to, you can just install kernel-power-flasher, as usual | 18:45 |
| kerio | although i would remove kernel-cssu* | 18:45 |
| kerio | otherwise you'll use a lot of space on your rootfs, for the modules | 18:45 |
| sLumPia | kerio: i read the thread, but can't find the answer. | 18:46 |
| sLumPia | ok, so i want to overclock my phone to 805, just like what i do with kp | 18:47 |
| sLumPia | how can i oc my n900 with thumb? | 18:47 |
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| kerio | kernel-power-settings should still work | 18:48 |
| kerio | but as i told you, you can install kernel-power if you want | 18:48 |
| kerio | KP51r1 has the thumb2 errata fix | 18:48 |
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| sLumPia | so let me get this straight. i should just: 1. remove kernel-cssu (from ham) | 18:51 |
| sLumPia | 2. install kernel-power-flasher | 18:51 |
| sLumPia | ? | 18:51 |
| kerio | perhaps you shouldn't overclock at all | 18:53 |
| kerio | not to be insulting or anything, but it *is* somewhat of an advanced topic | 18:53 |
| kerio | and understanding how to overclock with cssu-thumb kinda requires to know, in general, how the n900's kernel works | 18:53 |
| kerio | at least from an user's perspective | 18:53 |
| sLumPia | kerio: np. i just install kernel-power-settings and load dsp profile | 18:53 |
| kerio | just install kernel-power-settings | 18:54 |
| kerio | yep | 18:54 |
| kerio | it should work - it's the same kernel, after all | 18:54 |
| sLumPia | as you said, it work with kernel-cssu | 18:54 |
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| sLumPia | i never really follow up thumb discussion before, so i got a little confuse | 18:55 |
| sLumPia | thanks for the advice | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I just wonder whyyou still need to torture your device by OC, when you got lightning fast thumb2 | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no matter what I'm running, no matter how slow or fast it feels, OC is a must, as it's 1337 | 20:00 |
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| ShadowJK | kerio; nr_request > 2000, slice_idle=0, min_free-kbytes=4096 | 20:02 |
| kerio | hm, i have nr_requests at 8192, is it too much? | 20:02 |
| ShadowJK | no | 20:03 |
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| MrPingu | DocScrutinizer05, for 720p recording / playback you defenitely need OC | 20:14 |
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| MrPingu | That's the only reason when I OC, rest of the time I always cap it at 600mhz | 20:15 |
| kerio | why the hell do you need 720p playback? | 20:18 |
| kerio | you don't even *have* 720 lines | 20:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | You do in portrait. | 20:24 |
| trx | lol | 20:30 |
| kerio | but then you don't have 1280 columns! | 20:31 |
| MrPingu | Because I recorded in 720p | 20:32 |
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| MrPingu | The rest of my movies I convert to 800x480, don't worry | 20:32 |
| kerio | well, see what your recording brought us? D: | 20:32 |
| MrPingu | Better quality? | 20:33 |
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| MrPingu | Is there an easy way/command to list all packages in extras-devel including versionnumber? | 21:24 |
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| x29a | MrPingu: like http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ ? | 21:37 |
| mickname | Hey, is there any sensible way to get some kind of push-notifications on n900? | 21:40 |
| x29a | mickname: notification of what? | 21:43 |
| mickname | i want a system like irssinotify on android | 21:43 |
| mickname | basically custom notifications of remote events | 21:43 |
| mickname | without polling every few minutes | 21:43 |
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| MrPingu | X29a: Yes something like that but not divided in pages... | 21:44 |
| x29a | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/ | 21:45 |
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| MrPingu | Is there now any way to the directorytree in a textfile? | 21:57 |
| x29a | mind telling your intentions? | 22:00 |
| x29a | might be easier this way | 22:01 |
| MrPingu | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82374&page=5 | 22:03 |
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| MrPingu | Sorting out all devel applications which have decent quality so they can get in the end to extras repo | 22:04 |
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