IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-07-26

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EdLin	RST38h, hi	00:03
kerio	EdLin: neat!	00:03
kerio	EdLin: file down the plugs on the usb cable and the wallcharger right now	00:04
kerio	then flash both COMBINED and VANILLA as explained in the wiki	00:04
kerio	~flashing	00:04
EdLin	kerio, I think it's going to be neat, there are some complaints about the seller on talk.	00:04
infobot	maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	00:04
kerio	or there	00:04
kerio	oh, you paid for it but you still don't have it	00:04
kerio	i see	00:04
kerio	:s	00:04
EdLin	I should have checked before I pulled the trigger.	00:04
kerio	how much did you pay?	00:04
EdLin	$162.50, plus I ordered $9.99 expidited shipping.	00:05
EdLin	not bad, even if it really is refurbished without a stylus included as reported.	00:05
kerio	eeh, 133€	00:05
kerio	i paid about 150€ for mine	00:05
kerio	but it was almost in mint condition	00:05
kerio	barely used, everything cleaned up, only a minor scratch on the screen	00:06
kerio	everything working	00:06
EdLin	$150 was used, I thought this was new...	00:06
EdLin	but apparently its refurb	00:06
kerio	there's no such thing as a new n900	00:06
kerio	not anymore	00:06
EdLin	so I gather.	00:06
* kerio shakes his fist at Elop		00:06
kerio	damn youuuuuuu	00:07
EdLin	Nokia was really taken over by Microsoft, only reason why they didn't finish the job instead of just give them a brain transplant with key executives is because of Finland's foreign ownership laws.	00:07
EdLin	and like Microsoft does to everyone they borg, they're screwing them over.	00:08
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EdLin	any of you know a good source for N900 stylusii? Since mine is bound not to come with one apparently.	00:10
EdLin	hmm, google shopping is turning up big capacitive stylii. Wrong!	00:14
kerio	EdLin: find a tree	00:14
kerio	snap a twig	00:15
kerio	use the twig	00:15
EdLin	kerio, thanks. But there are no trees in Brooklyn. ;-)	00:16
kerio	madness	00:16
EdLin	actually, there are, just not enough except in big parks.	00:16
EdLin	or neighborhoods more classy than mine	00:16
EdLin	looking on Amazon, I found a poorly reviewed chinese 5800 stylus knock-off that didn't fit the hole in even the device was advertised for, and a gaggle of capacitive styluses.	00:17
DocScrutinizer06	ok, now I shot my ears with superlux HD668B :-S - maybe now it's time to drive them in for a week, allegedly the treble and hiss goes away a bit by doing so	00:17
EdLin	I'm going to be pissed if I have to buy it from the same folks that sold it to me without it.	00:18
EdLin	assuming talk.mameo.org is right about cellphonesforever.	00:18
EdLin	maemo I mean	00:19
EdLin	how do you pronounce Maemo, btw? :)	00:20
EdLin	I've had an n810 for years, always wanted to know. ;-)	00:20
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kerio	one does not pronounce Maemo	00:21
EdLin	kerio, I see, its the ineffable name. Gotcha.	00:21
kerio	it was a word made up by a password generator :D	00:23
vi_	may-mo	00:25
vi_	EdLin: You bought your n900 through ebay?	00:26
EdLin	vi_, that's the way I've always been pronoucing it	00:26
EdLin	vi_, yes	00:26
vi_	good.	00:26
vi_	as the buyer you hold all the cards.	00:26
EdLin	they also rated me good already. :)	00:26
vi_	ebay is rigged to totally fuck over the seller if anything goes wrong.	00:27
vi_	1. Your device is NOT refurbished. It is second hand.	00:27
EdLin	it was listed as new. :(	00:28
vi_	2. As soon as you receive it check it over. COMPLETELY.	00:28
vi_	EdLin: ebay sellers are scum.	00:28
EdLin	especially ones in HK, I should have known.	00:28
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vi_	start a thread on TMO asking about what you need to check out.	00:28
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EdLin	vi_, can't you tell me that here? Already started one thread there about buying it.	00:29
vi_	I cannot be bothered listng, I am typing on my n900 and it is not conducive to long sentances.	00:29
EdLin	ah	00:29
vi_	the biggest things to look out for are USB port damage.	00:30
vi_	and slider damage.	00:30
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vi_	the USB port on the n900 is shit.	00:30
EdLin	how do I tell if they're damaged? Beyond the obvious (i.e. not working)	00:30
vi_	you cannot really tell :(	00:30
EdLin	sigh, guess I should keep my backup phone instead of hocking it then.	00:31
vi_	The usual fi is to open it up and solder it down to the main board.	00:31
vi_	^fix	00:31
vi_	anyway.	00:31
EdLin	I'm not very handy with a soldering iron, as I found out by majoring in electronics engineering tech.	00:31
vi_	assuming it is all there and works fine then happy days.	00:31
vi_	EdLin: then it sounds like you are over qualified.	00:32
EdLin	lol	00:32
vi_	it is easy, a chimp could do it.	00:32
EdLin	yeah, I learned how to do NASA-spec joints.	00:32
EdLin	the community college served an apprentiship program at NASA.	00:32
vi_	if it is missing the stylus just say the item is not as described.	00:32
vi_	through ebay.	00:33
vi_	ask the seller to send you one.	00:33
EdLin	I'll do that I reckon. Hopefully they won't give me a hard time.	00:34
SpeedEvil	Refurbished can mean anything from a brand new case, to wiped over with a damp rag.	00:34
vi_	if he offers to sell you one tell him it is a standard acessoriy and you expecteded it to be included (unless the auction specifically says it was not included.)	00:34
vi_	SpeedEvil: yup.	00:34
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vi_	basically you can make life hell and cost the seller a lot of money.	00:35
vi_	you can demand a refund, get him to agree then make him pay for the shipping.	00:35
vi_	ebay is stacked in the buyers favour.	00:36
vi_	we have a saying in the motorcycle world.	00:36
vi_	'don't sell your shit on ebay unless you want to get raped by cunts'	00:36
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EdLin	vi_, I sold stuff in craigslist, twice. It managed to work out OK, though I hear some people get screwed.	00:38
EdLin	asked to meet in a public place, only accepted cash, no shipped items, etc.	00:38
EdLin	and I'm in Brooklyn, where the scammers are probably among the worst.	00:39
EdLin	I prefer to sell stuff to people I know though.	00:39
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SpeedEvil	Ebay is unfortunately fail for local collection.	00:44
SpeedEvil	Then again - I did have a seller that shipped me 21800mm54mm glass tubes.	00:44
SpeedEvil	In three layers of bubblewrap only.	00:44
SpeedEvil	It went back in a rather smaller box.	00:45
SpeedEvil	They claimed it was 'industry standard' packaging.	00:45
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Raimu	freemangordon: Lemme know if you need some testing help with near-future thumbed libs again.	00:57
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freemangordon	Raimu: feel free to apt-get upgrade ;)	01:10
freemangordon	just make sure you don't have extras-devel enabled :P	01:11
Raimu	Heh, what's in extras-devel now? :D	01:11
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freemangordon	NFC	01:11
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freemangordon	just in case :)	01:12
Raimu	Huh. Well, I'll backup and see what's new in the repo.	01:12
freemangordon	Raimu: i've already upgraded my primary device, so I assume it safe	01:12
freemangordon	but yeah, you'd better make a backup	01:12
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DocScrutinizer06	SpeedEvil: lol	01:45
DocScrutinizer06	SpeedEvil: btw wtf are you doing with 2 pcs 2m glass tube	01:48
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DocScrutinizer06	thermal sun collectors, neon signs, laser?	01:49
SpeedEvil	solar vacuum tube collectors.	01:49
DocScrutinizer06	:nod:	01:49
SpeedEvil	I broke two prior to properly installing on roof.	01:50
DocScrutinizer06	there's been a reason it was first in my list	01:50
FIQ\|n900	:P	01:50
DocScrutinizer06	hell!!! either amarok is a pile of s**t, or this lenovo T500 has broken audio amp	01:51
DocScrutinizer06	I'm temped to plug the headphone out to the mic/line-in and check a sinewave playback with audacity recording	01:53
DocScrutinizer06	dnag, it must be phonon, or (surprise surprise) PA, that introduces terrible clipping even when master volume is turned down to 10% of max	02:09
DocScrutinizer06	or actually amarok	02:10
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DocScrutinizer06	ok, was amarok's equalizer	02:37
RiD	chinese.	02:37
RiD	I have to restart irc client again, sigh	02:37
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Estel_	vi__, pong	02:48
Estel_	what do you want from ed chroot?:)	02:48
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, you won't belive it, but I actually re-used this IR diode, and after 1,5 hour of carefull preparing (needed to re-do plate, as one on N900 board was fubar gone), and soldering it, it works liek a charm	02:49
Estel_	s/liek/like/	02:49
infobot	Estel_ meant: DocScrutinizer, you won't belive it, but I actually re-used this IR diode, and after 1,5 hour of carefull preparing (needed to re-do plate, as one on N900 board was fubar gone), and soldering it, it works like a charm	02:49
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Estel_	of course, it required even more scratching on surface, now I really have 2mm of ground-less space aroun pad, and pad look like island.	02:49
Estel_	funny facty - IR diode seems to be lighing with more power (comapred with replacement N900 that got shipped today)	02:50
Estel_	compared*	02:50
RiD	lolo	02:50
Estel_	(i.e. looking via digital camera - repaired N900's IR looks considerably brighter)	02:50
RiD	stronger distance to turn off TVs and grief your friends	02:50
Estel_	or in waiting longues	02:50
Estel_	always msot shitty tv shows are ON there	02:50
RiD	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0&feature=youtu.be	02:51
Estel_	I love TVBGone! widget	02:51
RiD	real music ^	02:51
RiD	me too	02:51
RiD	doesn't work that much tho, on my country	02:51
RiD	:\	02:51
RiD	That music is going to make you jealous	02:51
Estel_	well, check this ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhYKex-j4_0	02:51
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Estel_	well, as for TVBGone! widget for n900, I have yet to see TV that it doesn't turn off. although, I would love to update it with fresh IR codes	02:52
RiD	how far can you turn them off?	02:52
Estel_	it depens on rpecise aiming, N900 diode generates highly tunelled beam	02:53
Estel_	but if You don't want to play sniper without a scope, comfortable range is few meters, unfortunately	02:53
Estel_	IDK now, after repair, I don't have TV to test on	02:54
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Estel_	once I thought about putting difussing lens there	02:54
Estel_	took from some remote	02:54
Estel_	most of them have difussing lenses, generating wide beam	02:54
Estel_	well, on my parent's house, there is Ir Tv and remote, that works even when aimed exactly backward. No idea why, probably, through reflections	02:55
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RiD	i have a remote like that	02:55
RiD	too	02:55
RiD	you can point the remote ir light down your chin	02:56
RiD	so your skull will somewhat work as a, erm, I don't know how it is called, but it spreads the signal	02:56
RiD	never tried to do that with my phone and I would look plain stupid	02:56
Estel_	well, actually, it would be fun mod to attach powerful high pwoer IR diode to N900, just controlled via same transistor as current diode (but with other power source)	02:56
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Estel_	;P	02:56
Estel_	have anyone tried updates iptables from extras devel?	02:57
robbiethe1st	Nah nah nah. USB controlled IR!	02:57
Estel_	they sit there for a month, without changelog or TMO post/thread about WTF	02:57
Estel_	robbiethe1st, sure, that would be best	02:57
Estel_	although USB control for IR is kinda bitchy	02:57
Estel_	everything I know works through serial	02:57
nox-	ftdi	02:57
robbiethe1st	^^	02:57
Estel_	as for iptables, i'm usually cautious about updates without changelogs or annoucements	02:58
nox-	http://www.huitsing.nl/irftdi/	02:58
robbiethe1st	And usb->serial chips do work with the N900	02:58
Estel_	nox-, what is it?	02:58
robbiethe1st	Speaking of which, I've run a PL2302-based usb->serial adaptor from my N900; worked great.	02:58
Estel_	robbiethe1st, but DIY IKR things doesn't work via usb->serial adaptorsa, most of the time	02:58
nox-	an usb serial chip with bitbang mode needed for ir	02:58
Estel_	nox, ah	02:58
Estel_	sounds nice	02:58
robbiethe1st	Uh, why not?	02:59
RiD	Estel_ one REALLY powerful then	02:59
Estel_	nox-, so using ftdi based adaptor, most things, including IR diodes and receivers (!) should work?	02:59
nox-	Estel_, yes	02:59
nox-	lircd -Hftdi	02:59
Estel_	it would be nice, it would allow to make N900 also a "learning remote"	02:59
Estel_	(i.e. recording Ir patterns from remotes)	02:59
robbiethe1st	Should. Anything that can have a serial input/output will work with a serial->usb adaptor and the N900	02:59
nox-	or you could use an mceusb device i guess	02:59
nox-	robbiethe1st, serial<->usb without bitbang mode is useless for ir remote stuff tho	03:00
Estel_	nox-, sounds very interesting, where could I read more about it? any examples of how to detect ftdi based serial adaptor, when buying via net, or maybe it is DIY'able?	03:00
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Estel_	well, most cheap serial->usb adaptors I've seen lacked bitbang	03:01
nox-	Digitus DA-70156	03:01
robbiethe1st	Uh, why?	03:01
nox-	is one	03:01
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robbiethe1st	You have hardware signaling lines, you can always bitbang them?	03:01
nox-	robbiethe1st, not via usb	03:01
Estel_	wuuuut, 20 usd?	03:01
robbiethe1st	Uh, why not?	03:01
Estel_	no cheaper chinese things?	03:01
robbiethe1st	I /know/ they're there, I /know/ they work... not fast enough?	03:02
Estel_	not that it is bad, if it's good quality	03:02
Estel_	but I wonder, if chinese copycats also use this chip?	03:02
robbiethe1st	FTDI? yes.	03:02
Estel_	nox-, do you know anything about parallel adaptors for USb and their usage with N900?	03:03
robbiethe1st	Or the common rs232 chip, the PL2302. Look for Arduino programming adaptors.	03:03
Estel_	PL2302 also works OK with Ir things etc?	03:03
nox-	you can also look for chinese mceusb clones	03:03
robbiethe1st	(pl2302 puts out rs232 voltages, versus fdti which puts out 0v/3-5v instead	03:03
nox-	but only those that dont just emulate a keyboard	03:04
robbiethe1st	Estel_, no clue. I know it works with the Fadal CNC Mill we have at work	03:04
robbiethe1st	And that's old, relatively standards-complient serial.	03:04
nox-	PL2302 doesnt have bitbang mode i think	03:04
nox-	this might be mceusb: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Brand-NEW-Original-Genuine-HP-USB-MCE-IR-Wireless-Receiver-Win7-Vista-US-fast-/270929871250?pt=US_Remote_Controls_Pointers&hash=item3f14adc192	03:05
robbiethe1st	Which begs the question: why do you need bitbang mode?	03:05
nox-	robbiethe1st, normal usb serial protocol is too slow	03:05
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nox-	for bitbanging the control lines	03:06
robbiethe1st	I'm guessing you're dealing with a 'dumb' IR device?	03:06
nox-	yes	03:06
nox-	ir reciever chip or ir diode	03:06
robbiethe1st	versus something that can be sent a couple of characters, and send out the bit-stream based on that.	03:06
nox-	yes sure thats something else	03:07
nox-	Estel_, never used parallel usb but i suppose they're also too slow for bitbanging ir	03:08
Estel_	nox-, actually, I though about on-the-field mainteintance of CNC machines that use parallel and linuxCNC	03:09
robbiethe1st	How fast are we dealing with? what sort of frequency are these IR signals transmitted at?	03:09
Estel_	software	03:09
Estel_	drivers compatible with linuxCNC use parallel, most of the times	03:09
Estel_	I know N900 wouldn't be super-hyper beast at generating steps for drivers, but for debugging/mainteintance it should suffice	03:09
robbiethe1st	Well, if you can get a driver for it(possibly by compiling the module from general Linux source), I'm sure it'd work	03:10
Estel_	nox, what do you think about that?	03:10
Estel_	http://allegro.pl/konwerter-usb-rs232-com-na-ft232-rl-ftdi-i2494850791.html	03:10
Estel_	don't worry about polish language	03:11
Estel_	photos and parameters are universal	03:11
Estel_	I'm little lsot amongst many types of ftdi chips	03:11
Estel_	this one looks like slower than digitus (same price)	03:11
Estel_	at leats reading poarameters	03:11
Estel_	digitus claims up to !mbps compatibility, this one 450 kbps, I don't know if it matters really	03:11
nox-	Estel_, as long as its really ftdi it'll probably work	03:11
robbiethe1st	For serial, most things aren't faster than 115200 baud, 115.2kbps	03:12
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nox-	robbiethe1st, 36 kHz carrier or similar	03:13
robbiethe1st	For IR? Yeah, I'd want a 'smart' chip there.	03:15
nox-	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC-5	03:15
nox-	one popular protocol	03:15
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Estel_	nox-, sorry for bugging with direct question, but something not-completely-assembled like that:	03:19
Estel_	http://allegro.pl/konwerter-usb-rs232-ttl-interfejs-ft232-rl-kabel-i2493207148.html	03:19
Estel_	how it's compared to digitus? i.e. digitus is "open", or chip is covered in unpenetrable black something?	03:20
Estel_	Also, I wonder if linux compatibility is no problem as long as it's FTDI, or it also depends on assembled unit architecture	03:20
Estel_	I'm absolutely green on such adaptors, so again, sorry for pestering :)	03:21
nox-	digitus is just a normal usb-to-serial black covered dongle that happens to use an ftdi inside	03:21
* Estel_ nods		03:21
nox-	i _think_ ftdi all have the needed bitbang mode...	03:21
Estel_	thing I've linked is cheaper and it's not dongl;e, + claims to have much more possibilities, no idea how to read between the lines properly, when it comes to such things	03:21
nox-	so that thing you liked should do as well	03:21
Estel_	of course it require putting flex and serial port there, I suppose ;)	03:22
RiD	lol	03:22
nox-	well this one uses ttl levels not rs232 levels but ofc if you want to connect an ir chip/ir diode thats better	03:23
nox-	if you just want something thats ready made for ir get an mceusb but they maybe a bit more pricey	03:24
Estel_	no no, i would like multi-purpose thing, expandable to whatever may come to my mind latter	03:26
Estel_	the more universal it is, the better	03:26
Estel_	erm, what is "better" generally, not only for IR diode, ttl levels or rs232 levels?	03:27
Estel_	also, any experiences with ATmega8U2 chips? Arduino switched from using ftdi to this one, programmed as USB->serial converter	03:27
Estel_	no idea about reasoning	03:27
nox-	rs232 levels if you want to connect to `nromal' serial ports	03:27
nox-	normal even	03:27
nox-	i think theres a popular chip to convert ttl to rs232 levels called max232	03:28
robbiethe1st	Yup	03:28
robbiethe1st	Several versions, infact.	03:28
nox-	heh	03:28
Estel_	max232? I have 10 of such chips lying around	03:29
nox-	:)	03:29
Estel_	once wanted (and still want, just need to find time) to do serial mod to my wrt54gl, or was it usb 1.1 port? I don't remember	03:29
Estel_	maxim is very kind to send free samples to literally anyone willing	03:29
Estel_	requiment - you must order at least 50 of them and declare 5000 units produced per year, or they may think You're fake ;p	03:30
Estel_	robbiethe1st, as for using parallel to usb converter for linuxCNC machine, main concern is that 99% adaptors emulate only things needed for printers	03:31
Estel_	and linuxCNC use, in fact, all pins of parallel	03:31
Estel_	linuxCNC and CNC drivers compatible with it	03:31
Estel_	nah, max232 was definitely needed for USB mod in wrt54gl	03:32
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nox-	usb doesnt use rs232 levels...	03:35
nox-	so must be serial connection	03:36
RiD	see you all :)	03:36
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Estel_	nox-, IIRC, in wrt54g;, some things for usb 1.1 mod require same pins as used for serial	03:45
Estel_	or I've mixed everything up :)	03:45
nox-	might be, but you only need rs232 levels if you want to connect as serial	03:46
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Estel_	ShadowJK, when using charge21.sh and bq27200.sh 5, at the same time, their results are mutually exclusive	04:02
Estel_	I mean that charge21.sh shows charging current quite high ammount off, of what bq27200.sh shows (the latter seems to be real)	04:02
Estel_	I don't mean only system usage calculation, but whole ammount	04:03
Estel_	is it normal?	04:03
Estel_	charge21.sh acts like it's guessworking no only system load, but whole current balance	04:03
Estel_	it's "generally" ok, but up to 150 mA wrong, sometimes (more in extreme cases)	04:03
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robbiethe1st	What's charge21.sh?	04:05
robbiethe1st	I know I've got a working charge.sh in BackupMenu; just lets the bq2700 do it's thing with reasonable defaults and seems to work.	04:06
Estel_	charge21.sh seems like updated version of charge.sh	04:07
Estel_	ShadowJK, I see what the problem is	04:07
Estel_	charge21.sh shows both "Rate" and "system" basing it on assumption, that it's chargin on full declared ammount (1250 mA, in my case)	04:08
Estel_	still, it's wrong, as for a life of mine, it want to charge only with 950 mA max	04:08
Estel_	well, 1050 at beginning of charging, for few minutes	04:08
Estel_	then, both "Rate" and "System" is going fubar	04:08
Estel_	consideriong, that charge SH know real relative current (i.e. one going to battery, = whole current - used by system) couldn't it use it as base for calculations,. and show it as "Rate"...	04:09
Estel_	then, try to calculate system load, and show it as "System" (-some_value)	04:10
Estel_	so user would knwo that real charging value is "Rate" - "System"?	04:10
Estel_	or even 3th value, as a result of this calculation, for slow math ones?	04:10
Estel_	now, when it is guessworking both rate and system, whole calculation is quite useless, as it's wrong 99% of time (at least in my case)	04:10
MohammadAG	oh nice, MS offers Windows 7 ISOs	04:11
Estel_	i.e. it always try to have "Rate" + "System" as = 1250, so, as a result, both "Rate" and "system" are wrong, with the latter being wrong totally (showing 300 mA, when real usage is 8 mA, for example)	04:11
* MohammadAG closes some piracy website		04:11
Estel_	don't worry, in next version they will force You to use beecons, MohammadAG ;)	04:12
Estel_	You though that windows mobile was bad? Now You will have it in Your desktop too ;P	04:12
MohammadAG	if anyone needs the links http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f94/original-untouched-windows-7-sp1-iso-32-bit-64-bit-220877/	04:12
MohammadAG	this is actually a huge step Estel_	04:12
Estel_	sure, backward one	04:12
MohammadAG	now I don't need to pirate ISOs to install a legal copy	04:12
MohammadAG	nope	04:12
Estel_	no no	04:13
Estel_	we're talking about two different things	04:13
Estel_	I tyalk about desktop in "winbdows 8" or whatever it will be called	04:13
MohammadAG	you're talking about a different thing :P	04:13
Estel_	as for iso's, I couldn't care less :D	04:13
Estel_	<Estel_> don't worry, in next version they will force You to use beecons, MohammadAG ;)	04:13
Estel_	well, considering this is #maemo channel, we both talk about "different" thing ;)	04:13
MohammadAG	I need to punch my ISP in the balls	04:14
MohammadAG	10MBps speed isn't 1000kbps	04:14
Estel_	It remind me, that I must finally sign contract for 50 mbps net, instead of leeching neighbour's !mbps one	04:15
robbiethe1st	Sure, it is. In ISP-speak	04:15
Estel_	s/!mbps/1mbps/	04:15
infobot	Estel_ meant: It remind me, that I must finally sign contract for 50 mbps net, instead of leeching neighbour's 1mbps one	04:15
MohammadAG	robbiethe1st, I expect 1.4MB/s downloads speeds	04:15
MohammadAG	not 1.0	04:15
MohammadAG	yes, 0.4 makes a difference :P	04:15
robbiethe1st	heh	04:15
Estel_	1000 kbps would be 128 KB/s download speed	04:16
Estel_	so You need to punch them in the balls, but not so hard	04:16
nox-	some german cable isps match for `speedtest' in urls and drop limiting...	04:16
Estel_	well, when You've written:	04:17
Estel_	MohammadAG> 10MBps speed isn't 1000kbps	04:17
Estel_	You though You actually talk about 80 mbps	04:17
MohammadAG	1000kb/s	04:17
Estel_	it's about B and b	04:17
Estel_	bytes/bits	04:17
Estel_	bite Your ISP, anyway ;)	04:17
robbiethe1st	nox-: Cool... just need to proxy everything through something with speedtest in the name	04:17
nox-	robbiethe1st, hehe	04:18
Estel_	robbiethe1st, lol	04:18
nox-	(i.e. ppl get the full speed only for speedtests and lower otherwise)	04:19
Estel_	robbiethe1st, make Your cheap p;ayware proxy with such name, and You're a millionare	04:19
robbiethe1st	heh	04:19
nox-	hahaha	04:19
Estel_	do You imagine, how many ISP are doing that?	04:19
nox-	probably not few...	04:19
Estel_	at leats until they introduce burts/packet size limits	04:19
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Estel_	so You can upgrade your proxy too	04:19
Estel_	and business goes on :)	04:19
Estel_	better than payware softporn site	04:20
Estel_	although actual "coding" is much less pleasant	04:20
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RiD	...o_o	04:23
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ShadowJK	Estel_; yes I changed that to 1250 when you wanted to test charging at 1250. It's usually vaguely correct as long as charger is able to provide requested current, even if charger chip is charging at lower rathe than that	05:49
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ShadowJK	Estel_; oh also the RS value might be different from your charge21.sh and bq27200.sh version. I use RS=21 normally	05:51
ShadowJK	(as that was the empirically derived value by some MeeGo kernel hackers back in the day)	05:51
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ShadowJK	although, the "parasitic resistance" as I call it, might be actually higher than 132 when charging at >950	05:52
ShadowJK	(CR parameter)	05:53
ShadowJK	btw, rate is net rate in/out of battery, as measured by bq27200	05:53
ShadowJK	sys and ch are made up. sys guesstimates current used by system, ch guesstimates current provided by charger. If the calculation shows a ch rate higher than the set rate, it gets clamped to set rate. If charger for some reason is unable the source enough current from attached dc adapter, the calculation starts showing that deficit as system use, wrongly	05:55
* RST38h moos at ShadowJK		05:56
ShadowJK	ok, time for work	05:56
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Estel_	ShadowJK, if "Rate" is net in/out from battery, shouldn't it be same, when reported by charge21.sh and bq27200.sh (in loop)?	06:09
Estel_	I understand this whole thing the way You described it here, but this is the thing that makes me wonder	06:09
Estel_	BTW, I eliminated possibility of charger providing too low power, by connecting it to 20A PS ;)	06:10
Estel_	BTw, I may be wrong, but current provided by bq27200.sh seems to be more in line with "reality" that "Ratye" provided by charge21.sh . and again, If I understand it correctly, rate and current reported by bq27200.sh should be the same no? Only "system" (i.e. guess-worked value used by system) and ch (rate - syustem) should be different, no?	06:11
Estel_	of course, if I understand it wrong way, scratch it :)	06:12
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EdLin	does anyone know of a website where genuine n900 styluses are sold?	06:21
EdLin	nokia.com pretends they never sold the device.	06:22
EdLin	google shopping gives me capacitive stylii as results, as does amazon	06:23
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Estel_	EdLin, replacement styluses are quite cheap, but made from more elastic, worse plastic	07:45
Estel_	genuine is hard and nice, whatever it sounds	07:45
Estel_	if had to choose, I would preffer scratched etc genuine stylus, over new replacement	07:45
Estel_	it's much more comfortable	07:46
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, N900's charging circuit - does it have some kind of temperature/time cut-off?	07:47
Estel_	I got strange feeling, that after soldering USB port to motherboard, ~40% of times it doesn't work for first ~10 minutes	07:48
Estel_	despite everything is ok and no errors. After that, everything seems fine, usb and charging work fine. It's not 1st time I see such thing	07:48
Estel_	or maybe not charging circuit, it may be related to usb at all. No idea why heated ground plane could cause smth like that	07:48
Estel_	I not sure if I'vent ruined one perfectly working N900 some time ago, due to that (trying to "fix" messed USB, that in fact was ok, just cut-off after soldering for some time)	07:49
Estel_	(You know, when You try to repair something that works, You usually end up in fckd'ing it totally)	07:49
Estel_	few minutes ago I've almost repeated this mistake, but got englightened and assembled device again - bah, everything works, without any intervention from my side	07:50
Estel_	4 minutes earlier, it wasn't responding at all to USB put inside (not yesterday's repaired device, just one perfecxtly working, that i've soldered down usb port, aka reinforced)	07:51
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Sc0rpius	I think I have never used the stylus in my N900 except for maybe play Angry Birds accurately	08:20
Sc0rpius	I had even forgotten it had a stylus :S	08:20
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EdLin	hi, has anyone here gotten a decent n900 from eBay seller cellphonesforever or have I screwed myself out of $162.50?	08:32
EdLin	I should have read tmo before buying from them...	08:33
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DocScrutinizer06	Estel_: charger chip has 2 timers, none like 10 min though	09:59
DocScrutinizer06	Estel_: 1 timer is 10..30s and resets chip when you stop talking to chip via I2C (except initial 'emergency' charging without sw supervision)	10:01
DocScrutinizer06	Estel_: 2nd timer is only while in 'emergency' charge and is 32 min after which charger chip shuts down charging	10:01
DocScrutinizer06	see	10:01
DocScrutinizer06	~flatbatrecover	10:01
infobot	Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover	10:01
DocScrutinizer06	Estel_: there's also overtemp shutdown, but I don't see how that could cause any of the problems like you described them	10:02
DocScrutinizer06	bme also should stop charging when battery is too cold (<-20°C) or too hot (>ca.60°C)	10:04
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freemangordon	zeq1: fennec sunspider is back to 6120ms, but memory usage is enormous	10:11
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freemangordon	zeq1: with only TMO open it uses 112 Mib (RSS) :(	10:14
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Macer	wow	10:19
Macer	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBY_Z-Vw0wM&feature=share	10:19
Macer	w....t.....f.....? total parent fail	10:19
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zeq1	freemangordon: is it due to the cflags? or a fennec issue?	10:27
zeq1	that is huge!	10:27
zeq1	I only just read 112Mib?	10:28
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zeq1	freemangordon: what cflags are you using for fennec?	10:29
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DocScrutinizer06	Macer: haha nice. Youtube wants my email addr - FSCK NO WAY!	10:38
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DocScrutinizer06	anyway judging by the title I hope this wasn't in USA, otherwise authorities will wait until the 'criminal' is 14(?), then put him to jail for 15 years	10:40
DocScrutinizer06	they done this for 8 year old boy kissing(SIC!) a girl in school class	10:40
Venemo_N9	lol	10:41
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DocScrutinizer06	maybe the number been slightly different, like it maybe only was 5 years jail	10:41
DocScrutinizer06	and the boy might have been 6, or 9	10:42
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freemangordon	zeq1: -fno-strict-volatile-bitfields -Wno-psabi	10:53
freemangordon	going to try the new fancy stuff (vectorizer, etc	10:53
freemangordon	but the isue if with fennec, not with the compiler	10:54
zeq1	freemangordon: just thought I'd check :)	10:56
freemangordon	zeq1: can't parse that	10:56
zeq1	freemangordon: I was just making sure the problem was with fennec not cflags after all the adventures yesterday!	10:57
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zeq1	freemangordon: did you have to fix anything to make it build?	10:58
freemangordon	no	10:58
zeq1	okay, that's good :)	10:59
zeq1	we should, however, change the defines we're using for rotation as romaxa suggested. There should be an explicity define for needing client-side rotation and another for supporting fremantle.	11:00
freemangordon	yeah. going to find the answer to romaxa's question re comment/code discrepancy	11:00
freemangordon	and to check why it seems to me we're not using shm	11:01
zeq1	X shm?	11:03
freemangordon	yep	11:04
zeq1	that's strange	11:04
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freemangordon	well, it is used	11:07
freemangordon	shm i mean	11:07
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zeq1	so how is it not working?	11:08
freemangordon	maybe it is	11:08
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freemangordon	or maybe not, it'll need some printfs ;)	11:09
freemangordon	but anyway now I am checking if (mIsTopLevel \|\| mListenForResizes) {	11:09
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zeq1	ok :)	11:11
freemangordon	zeq1: BTW you can comment on the bugtracker that with latest m-c sunspider result is back to normal	11:11
freemangordon	to close that	11:11
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freemangordon	i can do it too	11:11
freemangordon	well, i'll do it	11:12
zeq1	ok	11:13
freemangordon	done	11:13
zeq1	I noticed that the libc was built on etchnhalf rather than etch:	11:14
freemangordon	whatever that is :D	11:14
zeq1	Compiled on a Linux >>2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64<< system on 2010-06-08.	11:14
freemangordon	aah, devkit	11:15
zeq1	yeah	11:15
zeq1	so maybe the Nokia provided etch devkit isn't the same as the official sb one?	11:16
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zeq1	you have the offical Nokia SB, right?	11:17
freemangordon	yes	11:17
freemangordon	vmware image	11:17
zeq1	yeah, any way you can tell what version the etch devkit is?	11:17
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zeq1	/opt/scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/ChangeLog	11:18
zeq1	maybe	11:18
zeq1	Thu May 27 11:15:33 EEST 2010 Jussi Hakala <jussi.hakala@movial.com> tagged sb-debian-devkit_1.0.11	11:18
freemangordon	1.0.10	11:19
freemangordon	2 may 2008	11:20
zeq1	not that then!	11:20
zeq1	:/	11:20
zeq1	I still can't figure out how qmltube works with DH_COMPAT=7	11:21
freemangordon	i told you, there is updated debhelper in extras-devel afaik	11:21
freemangordon	zeq1: latest qmltube in extras-devel is 0.3.9	11:23
Macer	DocScrutinizer06: really??	11:23
freemangordon	are you sure you don't have harmattan version?	11:23
Macer	didn't know youtube asks for an email heh	11:23
zeq1	umm	11:23
zeq1	quteTube-QML 1.3.1 (on my device)	11:23
DocScrutinizer06	really what?	11:24
DocScrutinizer06	ooh youtube	11:24
freemangordon	zeq1: you are sure you are holding n900? :P	11:24
freemangordon	*are you	11:24
zeq1	definitely LOL	11:24
DocScrutinizer06	it's been tagged "might not be appropriate to some... please verify your age by registering with your email and password"	11:25
zeq1	that said, the embbedded video player isn't working	11:25
zeq1	everything else does though	11:25
freemangordon	zeq1: yeah, 1.3.1 here too	11:25
freemangordon	which player?	11:25
freemangordon	qmltube video player?	11:26
zeq1	cuteTube Player	11:26
* DocScrutinizer06 chokes at qutetube-QML		11:26
zeq1	DocScrutinizer06: QML seems pretty quick here :)	11:26
freemangordon	hmm, works like charm here	11:27
zeq1	freemangordon: something fishy with my device?	11:27
zeq1	it hasn't worked for months	11:27
freemangordon	zeq1: what did you try to play?	11:27
freemangordon	zeq1: deffinitely	11:27
zeq1	since a CSSU (not thumb) update ages ago	11:27
DocScrutinizer06	I think of QML like adams described it for the universe: "it's invention been considered the wrong step by most, and made several people quite angry"	11:27
freemangordon	hehe	11:28
zeq1	freemangordon: any video clip I try	11:28
freemangordon	zeq1: dmesg?	11:28
zeq1	freemangordon: LOL	11:28
freemangordon	anything there	11:28
zeq1	DocScrutinizer06: LOL	11:28
zeq1	oops	11:28
zeq1	I'll take a look	11:28
freemangordon	zeq1: but i am using 720p codecs	11:29
zeq1	nothing in dmes	11:30
zeq1	dmesg	11:30
zeq1	it just says Loading... then goes straight to related	11:30
freemangordon	run it from cli, maybe some message wil pop	11:31
zeq1	what's the package for the 720p codecs?	11:31
freemangordon	no package ;)	11:31
zeq1	ah ok, manually installed	11:31
freemangordon	talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77695	11:31
zeq1	any reason it's not in the thumb repo?	11:33
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freemangordon	yes, DSP codecs come from Nokia	11:33
zeq1	IP distribution issues :(	11:35
freemangordon	yes. though most probably there will be no problem to put that in extras	11:35
freemangordon	but i've never start doing it	11:36
freemangordon	maybe it is time ;)	11:36
vi__	just do it.	11:36
vi__	No one gives a shit about IP on the n900 any more.	11:37
vi__	Which is why I am so annoyed they won't just open most of fremantle up.	11:37
freemangordon	it is not n900, but n950	11:37
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vi__	There is nothing to lose.	11:37
vi__	N950?	11:37
freemangordon	the IP I mean	11:37
vi__	Even less fucks given.	11:38
freemangordon	yeah, codecs are from N9/50	11:38
freemangordon	:D:D:D	11:38
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freemangordon	well, might think of it	11:38
vi__	why not just host them on a webserver and add a wget to the installation script?	11:38
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freemangordon	thats too hackish for me	11:39
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kerio	it's what debian does for flashplayer	11:44
kerio	debconf wgets the archive from adobe.com and puts it in the correct place	11:44
kerio	it would be weirder here, though	11:45
kerio	because you have to install a .deb	11:45
freemangordon	zeq1: rotation works with if (!mIsTopLevel \|\| mListenForResizes) { too	11:47
zeq1	I guess we don't need it anymore then	11:47
freemangordon	hmm, but, but it was if (mIsTopLevel \|\| mListenForResizes) {	11:48
freemangordon	you didn't fixed it :D	11:48
freemangordon	your fix was adding !	11:48
kerio	freemangordon: a tiny webserver that serves a tiny repo with some redirects for packages to localhost	11:48
zeq1	LOL	11:48
zeq1	did I misread the comment and nobody else picked up on it?	11:48
zeq1	what was the comment again?	11:49
freemangordon	// synthesize a resize event if this isn't a toplevel	11:50
zeq1	hmm	11:50
freemangordon	and the original code is "if (mIsTopLevel \|\| mListenForResizes) {"	11:50
freemangordon	the opposite to the comment	11:50
zeq1	exactly#	11:51
freemangordon	but I was thinking your fix is commited in our repo	11:51
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zeq1	I'm officially confused	11:51
freemangordon	that is why I just add ! and compile	11:51
zeq1	ah	11:51
freemangordon	without thinking :D	11:51
zeq1	had I already removed it?	11:51
freemangordon	ending up with a code we know that works :D	11:52
zeq1	(not put it back when I refactored the patches)	11:52
freemangordon	yes	11:52
zeq1	yeah, I vaguely remember now :P	11:52
freemangordon	now I removed ! and compiling	11:52
zeq1	sorry about that! :$	11:53
freemangordon	np	11:53
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freemangordon	*off	11:53
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zeq1	still doesn't work :(	11:58
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freemangordon	zeq1: which one?	12:04
freemangordon	qmltube?	12:04
zeq1	yeah, cutetube-QML. I've not tried the other one.	12:06
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zeq1	I think it's actually failing to establish a connection to the video :S	12:10
zeq1	(network rather than codec problem)	12:11
zeq1	cutetube (not QML) just sits there with the player non-advancing and downloads seem stuck at 0%	12:11
zeq1	oh well, never mind.	12:12
zeq1	I'm not going to reflash just for cutetube	12:12
freemangordon	:D	12:12
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kerio	D:	12:14
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kerio	freemangordon: are the 720p codecs downloadable from the n9/50 repos without having to have a n9/50?	12:18
freemangordon	yes	12:18
kerio	and does apt handle http redirects?	12:19
kerio	if so, you can just make the http server redirect to the nokia server, and add the packages to your repo	12:20
kerio	it would be a massive kludge, mind you	12:20
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kerio	aww, it doesn't :(	12:22
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teotwaki	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/18645	12:23
kerio	hmm, it's an old bug	12:25
zeq1	freemangordon: I'm trying to rebuild glibc	12:25
freemangordon	zeq1: without ! it works too, but there is a white stripe on the right side from time to time when in portrait	12:25
freemangordon	i wonder do we need that code at all	12:25
kerio	i wonder if it's fixed on the n900's apt	12:25
zeq1	freemangordon: so with it the same as the comment we get a stripe sometimes?	12:25
zeq1	I've rebuilt glibc, not quite perfect yet, it segfaults during setup in SB, not sure from what. It seems to be otherwise working though. Two questions though:	12:27
zeq1	Why does it have a minimum kernel version of 2.6.0?	12:28
zeq1	Why is it built --without-fp?	12:28
zeq1	I had to apply a couple of patches to get it to build with gcc47	12:29
freemangordon	zeq1: no, we have a stripe when comment contradicts the code	12:29
freemangordon	i.e. without !	12:29
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zeq1	isn't that how we've been running it for the last couple of weeks?	12:29
kerio	merlin1991: could we try setting up a package in a repo that's 302ed to another web server?	12:29
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freemangordon	zeq1: the original code is without !, and it gives a stripe	12:30
zeq1	didn't you say that's what we have been using recently/	12:31
zeq1	?	12:31
freemangordon	i am not sure about recently, i was thinking your patch is always there	12:32
freemangordon	i.e. adding !	12:32
freemangordon	so the code to be as described in th comment	12:32
freemangordon	without your patch we hav a stripe in portrait	12:33
zeq1	we have to go with your testing results anyway, are you going to let romaxa know?	12:35
zeq1	does anybody have any idea why glibc is built --without-fp and min kernel 2.6.0?	12:35
freemangordon	zeq1: could you repeat the test on your side, just to make sure	12:35
zeq1	freemangordon: sure	12:36
zeq1	freemangordon: I'd better do that before I risk putting my new libc6 on my device ;)	12:36
freemangordon	yeah :)	12:36
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zeq1	freemangordon: btw, I know you're not keen on makeing libc thumb, but my new libc is ~800K instead of 1.1M	12:41
freemangordon	well, if it works ok, then why not	12:41
zeq1	plus it isn't soft-float anymore and is targeted for our kernel version	12:42
zeq1	2.6.28 anyway	12:42
freemangordon	what, isn't soft-float?	12:42
freemangordon	hardfp?	12:42
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zeq1	no, glibc was built --without-fp	12:43
freemangordon	aah, ok :)	12:43
zeq1	it didn't use any fp internally including libm...	12:43
zeq1	the minimum kernel version was even stranger though, the fremantle libc can't use any kernel features (syscalls) than weren't in 2.6.0	12:44
zeq1	I wonder why they did that?	12:44
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freemangordon	NFC	12:47
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ShadowJK	Estel_; check is RS variable is same in both	14:52
ShadowJK	Estel_; first versions used RS=20, because 20 was a nice round number that seemed to produce sensible results	14:54
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ShadowJK	then someone with a N900 jig and lab psu tested different values and said RS=21 was closest match	14:55
ShadowJK	so I changed it to that then	14:56
ShadowJK	it's a 5% difference in reported rate anyway	14:56
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Macer	damnit	15:06
Macer	gtalk seems down	15:06
Macer	wtf	15:06
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DocScrutinizer51	timeless_: ???? long time no see	16:06
DocScrutinizer51	hi :-D	16:06
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DocScrutinizer51	ShadowJK: the 20 also came as 2 times 10 iirc	16:09
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RiD	http://i.imgur.com/R9MBW.gif	16:16
RiD	http://i.imgur.com/kHDU1.gif	16:16
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RST38h	Meanwhile: http://allthingsd.com/20120725/apple-google-warned-samsung-against-copying-us/	16:27
RST38h	Also: "We want to make it as easy as possible for the 2,500 games on Steam to run on Linux as well. Its a hedging strategy. I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think well lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people."	16:29
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edheldil	RST38h: from where's the second quote?	16:34
vi__	RiD: I like how the seagull runs outta the store with his loot after gingerly walking in. He knew what he was doing.	16:35
teotwaki	edheldil: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18996377	16:35
edheldil	I saw similar ones already - squirrels plundering vending machines, etc.. :)	16:35
StyXman_	edheldil: most probably here: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/07/26/1249246/why-valve-wants-to-port-games-to-linux-because-windows-8-is-a-catastrophe	16:36
vi__	wait, does that mean half life 3 will be released on linux only??	16:37
teotwaki	edheldil: also http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/07/26/gabe-newell-windows-8-is-a-catastrophe	16:37
vi__	I think that would end 'doze.	16:38
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RiD	vi__ they knew the danger	16:38
edheldil	ok, in context it makes more sense	16:39
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vi__	I remember playing CS:S through wine.	16:44
vi__	I felt like a badass.	16:44
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vi__	...with my 17FPS.	16:44
teotwaki	I remember playing warcraft 3, and getting better performance through wine than was achievable natively under Windows.	16:45
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vi__	teotwaki: How is that even possible??	16:45
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ShadowJK	It's about time for another Windows Bob or Windows ME	16:46
teotwaki	vi__: Wine Is Not (an) Emulator.	16:46
JakDaRippa	just tried flashing my N900 several times but keep getting this message: Write failed after 0 bytes usb_bulk_write: No error	16:47
vi__	was windows ME named after the disease or was the disease named after windows ME?	16:47
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zeq1	freemangordon: at least I don't have to rebuild the whole thing again after making the change!	17:02
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zeq1	anybody: what's a good benchmark to test libc6 performance?	17:03
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edheldil	that would depend on the particular function you would want to benchmark, I am afraid	17:11
edheldil	as libc6 does not do anything in itself	17:12
StyXman_	yeah, it's mostly a kernel<->userspace API	17:14
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zeq	freemangordon: not seeing any rotation problems with fennec unmodified from git	17:24
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zeq	Except for touch response and double-tap zoom not working very well. It feels like it grabs the page too easily.	17:25
jonwil	Is there any actual forward movement on the idea to update microb-engine to something newer? Or is all the focus on fennec?	17:26
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kerio	jonwil: browserd is used everywhere in fremantle	17:30
zeq	jonwil: I'm tempted to try porting the microb-engine patchset to upstream mozilla	17:30
kerio	where "everywhere" means "in Conversations"	17:30
jonwil	and in "maps"	17:30
zeq	it's just I'm not sure if it's doable, and it would be a lot of work to find out.	17:31
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kerio	oh right, Maps too	17:31
zeq	may end up with worse performance or breakage in various apps	17:31
kerio	well, screw Maps	17:32
jonwil	I think the answer would be to keep the existing browser bits for conversations and maps but find a way to replace the browser in the rest of the system (e.g. bits that launch the browser via desktop URLs or the Google search widget) with Fennec or something similar	17:32
kerio	oh god, ram	17:32
kerio	most definetely we need a Conversations replacement	17:33
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jonwil	If telepathy (and telepathy-ring and the Maemo telepathy bits) wasnt such a mess, I might have gotten further with my "find out what stuff Conversations does so a replacement can be written" work	17:34
kerio	haha	17:34
kerio	wtf is telepathy-ring?	17:34
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jonwil	its the closed source module that handles calls and SMS and sits between rtcom-call-ui/rtcom-messaging-ui and the cellular services daemon	17:35
kerio	...it goes through telepathy?	17:35
kerio	WHY?	17:36
kerio	D:	17:36
jonwil	yes SMS and calls do go through telepathy	17:36
jonwil	as do Skype and SIP calls	17:37
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StyXman_	Macer: http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=issue&ts=1343357999000&iid=a6fb32beebebf8e85b0c986b09a4e69d	17:37
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kerio	hm, why is vm.swappiness 100, by default?	17:39
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zeq	jonwil: browser-switchboard lets you change the default browser	17:51
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vi__	kerio: because it is.	18:03
vi__	DEAL WITH IT.	18:03
vi__	I run swappiness at 96.	18:05
vi__	Does that make you mad?	18:05
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vi__	freemangordon: ping	18:13
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vi__	merlin1991: ping	18:16
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vi__	MohammadAG: ping	18:17
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chem\|st	kerio: cause you do not have 1GB ram!	18:18
vi__	chem\|st: Do you know what this '203' repository is?	18:18
MohammadAG	vi__: Pong	18:19
vi__	MohammadAG: hello	18:19
MohammadAG	Heya	18:19
chem\|st	203?	18:19
vi__	fremantle ssu 203	18:19
chem\|st	no idea	18:19
vi__	what is this repo, is it connected to cssu?	18:19
zeq1	freemangordon: I think I've found out why glibc was compiled for kernel-2.6.0. Scratchbox/qemu doesn't seem to support pselect/ppoll.	18:20
MohammadAG	Nope	18:20
MohammadAG	It's UK ssu repo	18:20
chem\|st	vi__: yeah ssu is nokia...	18:20
chem\|st	https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/205 for example	18:20
vi__	there is a bunch of updates in there I have been ignoring. Should I install them? They have names like microb-engine-settings-203.	18:21
vi__	Everything ends in 203.	18:21
MohammadAG	if you have EU software then you use that repo	18:21
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chem\|st	uh I never updated from those after installing cssu, it scared me off!	18:21
MohammadAG	Or US, I'm not really sure	18:21
zeq1	does anybody use SB2/SDK+?	18:22
MohammadAG	Anyway, those are translation packages	18:22
vi__	well fuck that repo then.	18:22
vi__	Can anyone tell me how to disable the thumb repo?	18:23
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vi__	I accidentally updated a bunch of QT packages and now openmediaplayer segfaults when I try to open an internet radio stream.	18:24
chem\|st	you better reflash	18:24
vi__	no way!	18:24
vi__	user	18:24
vi__	e5a3f	18:24
chem\|st	deactivate the repo and reinstall things not working from other	18:25
vi__	That is ehat IO intend to do.	18:25
chem\|st	why are you asking then?	18:25
vi__	Does fremantle use /etc/apt/sources.list like a normal debian?	18:25
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vi__	chem\|st: I always try to second guess my own noobery.	18:26
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vi__	why will modest not die when I kill the process?	18:27
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FIQ	(17:25:43) (vi__) Does fremantle use /etc/apt/sources.list like a normal debian?	18:28
FIQ	no	18:28
FIQ	well, "normal" apt might, but HAM use something else	18:29
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jonwil	everything goes through /etc/apt/sources.list.d AFAIK	18:29
kerio	HAM sets his own repos in a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d	18:30
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vi__	Reinstallation of libqt4-maemo5 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded	18:38
vi__	dafuq	18:38
freemangordon	vi__: thanks to merlin1991's repo, which holds only the latest version ;)	18:39
freemangordon	vi__: why libqt4-maemo5 is missing?	18:40
vi__	It is not.	18:40
freemangordon	what then?	18:40
vi__	I accidentally updated a bunch of qt4 packages from thumb repo,	18:40
freemangordon	thumb4?	18:40
vi__	now OMP is broken and sefaults.	18:40
freemangordon	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1242643&postcount=453	18:41
freemangordon	:P	18:41
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vi__	So I have disabled merlins repo and am trying to install reinstall libqt4 packages	18:41
freemangordon	hmm, works like charm here	18:42
vi__	Except it says they cannot be downloaded.	18:42
vi__	freemangordon: So you are running the latest from merlins repo and OMP still works?	18:42
freemangordon	yep	18:42
freemangordon	merlin1991's thumb repo	18:42
freemangordon	I am planning an update later	18:42
zeq1	vi__: did you upgrade all the libqt4 pkgs?	18:43
freemangordon	vi__: which libstdc++ version you have installed?	18:43
vi__	freemangordon: And what happens if you try to launch an internet radio statio from your list of radio stations. No crash?	18:43
zeq1	freemangordon: it should have a hard dep on the right libstdc++	18:43
freemangordon	lemme check	18:43
freemangordon	zeq1: it has	18:44
zeq1	crashed? or a hard dep? ;)	18:44
vi__	zeq1: ldconfig -v \| grep libst libstdc++.so.6 -> libstdc++.so.6.0.16	18:44
freemangordon	hard dep	18:44
zeq1	ok :)	18:44
freemangordon	vi__: dpkg -l \| grep libstdc++ ?	18:44
vi__	4.6.2+cssu0	18:45
freemangordon	zeq1: see ^^^	18:45
vi__	I have ballsed up ahv'nt I...	18:45
zeq1	or I have ;)	18:45
freemangordon	zeq1: no, that's the old one	18:45
freemangordon	it should be 4.7.2-cssu0	18:46
freemangordon	vi__: enable thumb repo	18:46
freemangordon	do apt-get upgrade	18:46
freemangordon	oops	18:46
freemangordon	apt-get update	18:46
vi__	already on it.	18:46
freemangordon	and tell me which packages apt-get upgrade wants to install	18:46
freemangordon	install/upgrade	18:47
vi__	apt-get upgrade	18:47
vi__	ffs wrong xterm	18:47
freemangordon	zeq1: somehow vi__ managed to install qt-thumb4 without puling the dependencies	18:47
vi__	espeak espeak-data espeak-extra-data libespeak libgcc1 libqt4-core libqt4-dbus libqt4-declarative libqt4-gui libqt4-maemo5 libqt4-multimedia libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-phonon libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-sqlite libqt4-svg libqt4-test libqt4-translations libqt4-webkit libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libsdl-mixer1.2 libstdc++6	18:47
zeq1	that shouldn't be possible	18:47
zeq1	unless he used dpkg -i	18:48
freemangordon	see ^^^	18:48
zeq1	oh I see	18:48
freemangordon	vi__: how did you manage to do that?	18:48
vi__	zeq1: a lot of people say that top me.	18:48
vi__	freemangordon: I literally have no idea.	18:48
freemangordon	:D	18:48
freemangordon	vi__: libsdl-mixer1.2?	18:48
zeq1	well libstdc++6 is in the upgrade list at least	18:49
freemangordon	do you have extras-devel enabled?	18:49
vi__	freemangordon: ...yes.	18:49
zeq1	what are the deps on libqt4-*	18:49
freemangordon	or extras-testing?	18:49
vi__	...yes	18:49
freemangordon	aaah, disable that shit	18:49
freemangordon	thatnks to marmitz or whatever was the guy's name we have libstdc++ ang libgcc1 4.6.1 in extras-devel	18:50
vi__	espeak-extra-data libgcc1 libqt4-core libqt4-dbus libqt4-declarative libqt4-gui libqt4-maemo5 libqt4-multimedia libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-phonon libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-sqlite libqt4-svg libqt4-test libqt4-translations libqt4-webkit libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libstdc++6	18:50
vi__	So devel can actually braek your device now.	18:50
vi__	Finally.	18:50
freemangordon	could you do apt-get install libstdc++ and tell me which version it wants to install?	18:51
freemangordon	it should pull libgcc1 as well	18:51
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freemangordon	vi__: ^^^	18:51
zeq1	what epoch are the libgcc and libstdc++ in devel?	18:52
freemangordon	zeq1: NFC	18:52
zeq1	that could be the problem?	18:52
vi__	It does not tell me the version, however it is the version from merlins repo as it complains it is not authenticated,	18:52
freemangordon	well, you may boldly do apt-get upgrade	18:52
zeq1	vi__: I suspect the problem is we made sure we stuck to the versioning convention for fremantle	18:52
zeq1	it's possible what's in -devel has a higher epoch	18:53
freemangordon	vi__: just tell me how much disk space will be freed	18:53
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guly	twitter-sharing-multi anyone?	18:53
vi__	Need to get 481kB of archives. After this operation, 1114kB of additional disk space will be used.	18:53
freemangordon	zeq1: you check in repo	18:53
freemangordon	s/check/could check/	18:54
infobot	freemangordon meant: zeq1: you could check in repo	18:54
vi__	well it has not exploded in fire yet.	18:54
zeq1	freemangordon: I would but I need to go do some shopping before my girlfriend gets home!	18:54
freemangordon	:)	18:55
freemangordon	vi__: reboot?	18:55
vi__	s/shopping/pr0n/	18:55
freemangordon	hehe	18:55
zeq1	hehe	18:55
vi__	rebooting	18:55
freemangordon	vi__: did you reboot the device?	18:55
freemangordon	ok	18:56
freemangordon	is there a handshake? :P	18:56
vi__	freemangordon: I removed that video thing a LONG time ago.	18:57
vi__	boots fine...	18:57
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freemangordon	but why, it is so cute :D	18:57
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vi__	I much prefer a faster boot up time.	18:57
vi__	I literally owe you a pizza.	18:58
freemangordon	hmm, those 1MB of extra data could come from espeak-extra-data	18:58
freemangordon	1114kB of additional disk space that is	18:59
vi__	It is F* annoying that the person who packaged espeak made it depend on espeak extra.	18:59
vi__	I do not need russian AND chinese,	18:59
freemangordon	vi__: you owe me hookers and boze a long time ago :P	18:59
freemangordon	s/boze/booze/	19:00
infobot	freemangordon meant: vi__: you owe me hookers and booze a long time ago :P	19:00
freemangordon	vi__: how is the memory usage?	19:01
freemangordon	any changes?	19:01
vi__	1 sec	19:01
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vi__	hard to tell	19:03
freemangordon	yeah	19:04
vi__	usr/sbin/browserd -s 1870 -n RTComMessagingServer	19:04
vi__	Is still hogging it like a fat schoolchild.	19:04
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freemangordon	I will appreciate if someone find a way to measure how much RAM we actually gain from thumb thingie	19:04
kerio	freemangordon: hm, how can you wreck your device by using -devel's libgcc?	19:05
freemangordon	qt in -thumb needs 4.7.2, extras-devel has 4.6.1	19:06
vi__	freemangordon: It is hard to quantify.	19:06
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freemangordon	vi__: if possible at all	19:06
kerio	i see	19:06
kerio	freemangordon: and why doesn't qt in -thumb depend on >=4.7.2? >:)	19:06
freemangordon	it depends	19:07
DocScrutinizer51	it depends if it depends if it depends or not	19:07
DocScrutinizer51	:-p	19:08
RiD	wha	19:08
freemangordon	Package: libqt4-core	19:08
freemangordon	Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5.0-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.7.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.14.6-1osso1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.7.2), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), kernel-feature-errata-430973-workaround [armel]	19:08
kerio	then how can you install the new libqt4-core without having libgcc1 4.7.2?	19:09
freemangordon	vi__ is a *nix guru and managed to do it without knowing how :P	19:09
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vi__	freemangordon: my mother used to say I could brake a blacksmiths anvil.	19:10
kerio	well, how fast would the anvil be going?	19:10
freemangordon	hehe	19:10
freemangordon	anyway, I am back to re-compiling microb-engine	19:11
kerio	yay	19:11
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer51: do we have a list of microb-engine CVEs	19:11
freemangordon	?	19:11
freemangordon	nevermind, i found them	19:13
RiD	so you're working on thumb microb?	19:14
freemangordon	working? it is in thumb repo already	19:15
freemangordon	but we have open bugs against CSSU	19:15
freemangordon	going to fix them (the bugs are along with the fixes)	19:15
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kerio	no TLS makes me a sad panda :c	19:22
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LeshaShtamp	åñòü êòî? there is someone ?	20:43
beford	ñò	20:43
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saidinesh5	hey fellows	21:06
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saidinesh5	i was wondering if anyone could suggest me a good app name for a port of elFinder.org to N9	21:06
saidinesh5	(and N900 eventually, when i get it fixed)	21:06
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DocScrutinizer51	freemangordon: NFC	21:11
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DocScrutinizer51	even	21:11
DocScrutinizer51	~wtf cve	21:12
infobot	Gee... I don't know what cve means...	21:12
freemangordon	security vulnerabilities and exposures.	21:12
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teotwaki	how the fuck do you go from Cve to Security?!	21:13
freemangordon	s/security/common/	21:13
infobot	freemangordon meant: common vulnerabilities and exposures.	21:13
teotwaki	exploits?	21:13
freemangordon	segfaults :)	21:13
freemangordon	buffer overruns, stack overflows, etc, etc	21:14
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beford	cwe	21:22
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Raimu	freemangordon: The stuff I updated last night seem to work well.	21:29
freemangordon	good	21:31
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freemangordon	Woody14619: ping	21:34
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Estel_	freemangordon, neither Councilor is usually available on IRc now, so you may be better sending them mail to council@maemo.org	21:41
Woody14619	speak for yourself Estel_	21:41
freemangordon	hehe	21:42
Estel_	ouh, sorry - It was based on experiences from past week :)	21:42
Estel_	no malicious intentions, so hold Your horses.	21:42
Woody14619	But yes, generally sending to council@maemo.org is as expedient.	21:42
Woody14619	Especially on weekends, as I'm not here then. What's up freemangordon?	21:42
RiDv2	hey, is it possible to screw up usb hostmode hardware wise?	21:44
Estel_	sure, jsut torn apart Your usb port. although, you probably have something else in mind?	21:45
RiDv2	like it would still work while charging or transfering data on pc	21:45
Estel_	DocScrutinizer is the man to ask, I would answer "no"	21:45
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RiDv2	ok. it's what I also think (you either screw it all or don't), but i'll wait DocScrutinizer 's opinion	21:46
Estel_	sounds sane	21:46
RiDv2	mostly i think i fudged up something on the usb to usb thingie that i ripped from an old motherboard	21:46
RiDv2	but i don't have another to try so that's why i'm wondering	21:47
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RiD	didn't realize I had mirc open on PC	21:48
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user___	Estel_: ping	22:28
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Estel_	pong	22:31
Estel_	vi_,	22:31
vi_	yo estel.	22:31
vi_	or should I say:	22:31
vi_	cze!	22:31
Estel_	no, you definitelly shouldn't ;p	22:32
vi_	jestem kapusta!?	22:32
Estel_	what's up?	22:32
vi_	to jest booragh?	22:32
Estel_	whatever you mean;)	22:32
vi_	i give up	22:32
vi_	how do I change the name on the prompt for ED?	22:32
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vi_	it says m5estel.	22:32
Estel_	prompt? title of xterm status bar?	22:33
vi_	I have changed the host.conf but it does not work.	22:33
Estel_	dafuq?	22:33
vi_	command prompt.	22:33
vi_	/bin/sh	22:33
Estel_	0_o	22:33
japh	what does ed has to do with hosts.conf	22:33
Estel_	vi_, no idea, I don't have anything like that. I(f everyone have it, qole must have set it	22:34
Estel_	if no, it is your subconscious skill again	22:34
vi_	I like my prompt to be:	22:34
vi_	export PS1='\[\e[1;34m\]\w\[\e[m\] \[\e[1;32m\]\$\[\e[m\] \[\e[1;37m\]'	22:34
vi_	however ED does not read my .profile or bashrc	22:35
vi_	instead it shows:	22:35
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vi_	[\u@m5estel: \w]	22:35
vi_	and I cannot figure out why this is set this way.	22:36
vi_	I assumed as it was your name, you put it there.	22:36
vi_	Do you understand what I mean?	22:36
japh	there's no host in your PS1 at all	22:36
japh	and that's set in /etc/profile* something	22:36
vi_	japh: I know.	22:37
vi_	I do not want host name in my PS1.	22:37
japh	aha	22:37
japh	/etc/bash.bashrc ?	22:38
vi_	japh: /etc/profile	22:39
vi_	I did not even know this existed!	22:39
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vi_	I will edit it to run the .profile of whomever summoned the chroot.	22:40
japh	vi_, yes I was equally frustrated because there's a ton of shit.profile files in /etc/	22:40
japh	and all of them were linked together in a total mess	22:40
vi_	japh: in harmattan it is even worse.	22:41
japh	it was easier for me to figure out there at least	22:41
japh	but maybe that was because at least I got bash4	22:42
vi_	ash!	22:42
vi_	w00t	22:42
japh	but I have broken my n950 again	22:44
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japh	I think it's fifth time this month	22:44
japh	yaaaaaawn	22:44
japh	don't remember exactly what I did last night	22:45
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vi_	japh: have you get easy debian running on your n950?	22:49
japh	no	22:49
japh	have anyone?	22:49
vi_	I think qole did	22:49
vi_	how come .profile will not run like a script?	22:50
japh	hm?	22:50
japh	assumingly it starts with a check to see if your shell is interactive	22:50
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vi_	well it seems it does NOT run /etc/profile	22:54
vi_	FFS	22:54
vi_	WTF is with women wanting to watch totally fucking gay movies?	22:57
DocScrutinizer05	RiD: define "screw up hostmode"	22:57
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freemangordon	zeq: what will happen if I don;t add optimize flags to LD_FLAGS when using LTO?	22:59
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Estel_	vi_, as for ed in harmattan, it works, but with capacitive screen, it sucks big time	23:18
Estel_	i.e. You canb't do anything with it	23:18
Estel_	I have no idea, maybe there is some mouse mode, so You could use it with mouse and keyboard	23:18
Estel_	~rape inventer of capacitive screens	23:18
Estel_	no, seriously, what's the sue for multitouch, if I need to scroll 4x times to get desired effect	23:19
Estel_	or push button 7 times	23:19
Estel_	of course there are idiots, who claim "n950/N9 screen is much more sensitive and precise than N900's one", oh well	23:19
japh	my fingers surely are incompatible with it	23:20
Estel_	of course some smartie decided, that area less than 15 mm detected must be error, so it's ignored - Coating Your stylus in conductive layer doesn't help	23:20
Estel_	unless it's tip is 15 mm in diameter	23:20
Estel_	so You're totally screwed, when need precision, instead of clicking iphone-sized buttons	23:20
Estel_	really, capacitive screen is even more WTF than lack of microSD	23:21
Estel_	even for games, where multitouch sounds essential, it sucks big time	23:21
japh	is multitouch that I'm supposed to use even more fingers?	23:21
japh	please don't give me that	23:22
Estel_	can't tell how many times, when playing gof2, pressing on "rocket/bomb" button wasn't registered	23:22
Estel_	well, it's why You must do idiotic "pitch to zoom" gesture	23:22
Estel_	instead of being able to zoom in/our browser via volume buttons	23:22
Estel_	s/in/our/in/out/	23:22
Estel_	whatever	23:23
japh	handling the fennec ui is a bitch with my fingers	23:23
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Estel_	/rant	23:23
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Estel_	not only Yours	23:23
japh	maybe I should fetch a stylus if there's something that works	23:23
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Estel_	handling anything except iphone brainless buttons is bitchy with capacitive	23:23
Estel_	japh, You can DIY capacitive stylus, but, experience is rather miserable	23:23
RST38h	this only means you have to surgically modify your fingers	23:24
japh	I haven't used anything else I think, the one I got prior to n900 was the one that was bundled with 3310	23:24
Estel_	it have to be close in size to Your fingers, anyway \|(at least it's tip)	23:24
japh	hms	23:24
Estel_	precise capacitive screen is a oxy-moron	23:24
Estel_	also called O2moron	23:24
Estel_	or moron oxidization	23:25
RiD	DocScrutinizer My N900 is not detecting any pens, mouse or keyboards that it was previously detecting using h-e-n. Didn't change a thing. It's either something screwed up on the N900 (but it still works when charging and when transferring data from and to the computer) or something related with the USB "thing"	23:25
Estel_	I admire N950's TFT being much less power hungry - twice less than N900's - but digitizer is...	23:25
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japh	one I get ratpoison working on n950 as well this problem will be no more	23:25
Estel_	RiD, dmesg output when tryijng to connect things via hen?	23:25
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Estel_	in hen, you can activate iot via "kernel messages"	23:26
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Estel_	ratpoison? what it is?	23:26
Estel_	is it*	23:26
japh	a wm	23:26
Estel_	yyy?	23:26
japh	http://i.japh.se/n900/n900-rp.png	23:26
japh	can you see that pic?	23:26
Estel_	sure. wtf is that?	23:27
RiD	ehh Estel_, which part is the most recent?	23:27
RiD	The top or bottom?	23:27
Estel_	one at bottom	23:27
Estel_	but	23:27
Estel_	it's not real-time updated	23:27
japh	that is ratpoison	23:27
Estel_	it's snapshot of moment when you activate it	23:27
Estel_	japh, nice, but I still don't know what the fuck?	23:27
Estel_	border-less windows, or what?	23:28
japh	estel_, I basicly just want to get as much screen space as possible for my vims	23:28
Estel_	I see	23:28
RiD	ok	23:28
Estel_	but how it is related to capacitive hell?	23:28
japh	and I don't want to use my fingers because it's driving me mad	23:28
Estel_	ah	23:28
japh	because you don't have to use it	23:28
RiD	so uhh	23:28
Estel_	one solution, would be to program using N950's screen as notebook touchpad	23:28
Estel_	You know the idea	23:29
japh	hehe	23:29
Estel_	it would be quite useful lfo real things like easy debian	23:29
RiD	err, there are many messages saying device not accepting address 40, error -19	23:30
japh	well I do hope there'll be better alternatives at some point in the future	23:30
japh	for installing 'real' os's I mean	23:30
DocScrutinizer05	RiD: I dunno >the USB "thing" <	23:30
RiD	DocScrutinizer it's like A male to A Male usb cable	23:31
Estel_	RiD, Your device is just not enumerated probperly	23:31
RiD	but it's from a motherboard, so it has no cable between at all	23:31
Estel_	follow HEN instructions, slowly	23:31
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Estel_	i.e. 2-3 seconds between every step	23:31
Estel_	btw, full-speed may work better for you	23:31
japh	you have to bruteforce	23:31
Estel_	than high speed	23:31
japh	don't give up	23:31
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Estel_	unfortunately, high speeds seems to fail for hubs, until you have some high-speed device connected to it,. before enumerating	23:32
Estel_	i.e. put pendrive inside hub	23:32
Estel_	before enumerating	23:32
Estel_	I have one such hubb- it's perfectly working 2.0 one, but without something 2.0 attached to it, i must enumerate it as full-spoeed in hen	23:32
Estel_	no big deal, when You want to connect mouse and keyboard	23:32
RiD	hm	23:32
RiD	on full speed it detected the pen	23:32
Estel_	BTw, DocScrutinizer will ask "wtf" for sure	23:33
Estel_	I have no idea, too	23:33
Estel_	it may be hub-related	23:33
RiD	DataTraveler G2, manufacturer Kingston and and the serial number, etc	23:33
Estel_	yea	23:33
Estel_	try on high speed	23:33
RiD	but it's refusing to mount :<	23:33
Estel_	now	23:33
Estel_	it isn't	23:33
RiD	Ok	23:33
RiD	I don't know what, it used to be pretty straightforward	23:33
Estel_	with latest cssu testing and kernel-power you don't mount manually	23:33
Estel_	ke-recv does it for you	23:33
Estel_	mount button in hen is obsolete	23:33
RiD	oh	23:33
Estel_	maybe even in cssu-stable, I don't know, I use testing (and soon thumb) only	23:34
Estel_	with cssu-testing your pendrive is mounted already, if it enumerated properly	23:34
RiD	i'm using testing too	23:34
RiD	i'm trying now on high speed	23:34
Estel_	rep[ort back, but I got feeling it will fail :P	23:34
RiD	not possible to connect, no file system available. That's the generic error pop up	23:35
Estel_	high-speed is somehow unfinished on HEN warniong, personal unjustified by hard-proofs opinion	23:35
RiD	(in portuguese tho)	23:35
Estel_	I doubt I don't have skills to debug it properly	23:35
Estel_	but in my almost-every-day usage practice, it's working much less reliably than full;-speed, and I ensured peripherials (adaptor, cables) quality	23:35
Estel_	I'm 1005 sure that they're not limiting factor for hostmode	23:36
RiD	I doubt I Don't have skills	23:36
RiD	isn't that saying that you DO have skills?	23:36
Estel_	it's just that high-speed sometimes refuses to work, no matter what, while 5 minutes later it may work	23:36
Estel_	well, I tried, but haven't found anything interesting in syslog	23:36
RiD	well, keyboard used to connect with no problems then on one day it stopped connecting. And never again	23:36
Estel_	it's just like "I want to work today" or "I don't want today, I got headache"	23:36
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Estel_	sounds familiar, somehow	23:37
Estel_	I'm sure You can make it connect again by trying on different speeds	23:37
Estel_	BTW, remember - keyboards, mouses - low speed, or full-speed, at most	23:37
Estel_	don't use high speed when not needed, if not for power-save purposes	23:37
RiD	it's refusing to	23:37
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Estel_	either it's broken, but if it works with desktop it's not	23:38
Estel_	from my experience, it will, You just need to slow a little between steps	23:38
Estel_	also, are Yuo sure it is not enumerated?	23:38
Estel_	if it's enumerated, and still doesn't work, it's not hostmode problem, rather something screwed with Your instalation of extkbd	23:38
Estel_	still, I love hostmode on N900, despite ocassional problems	23:39
DocScrutinizer05	h-e-n highspeed is kinda flaky. USB highspeed is a botch	23:39
Estel_	for example, every time I demonstrate someone that my N900 is true computer, via connecting it to big screen, then to USB huband keyboard/mouse...	23:39
RiD	now it doesn't detect the pen at all	23:39
RiD	lol	23:39
Estel_	I need to do it few times, cause first one fails for some twisted reasons :p	23:40
DocScrutinizer05	it enumerates in pseudo ful spped mode, then sends chirps and whatnot, to establish highspeed	23:40
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, hm	23:40
Estel_	so my "from practice" unjustified experiences, that high-speed is much more problematic, may be justified after all?	23:40
DocScrutinizer05	yep	23:40
Estel_	BTw, i'm not depreciating it, It works for me fine, all after all, just give strange problems sometimes	23:41
Estel_	I'm still blessing everyone involved in bringing it for us	23:41
vi_	japh: dwn2>ratpoison	23:41
vi_	^dwm2	23:41
RiD	well i'll charge the phone. No success today. Let's hope tomorrow my N900 will be in a better mood	23:41
Estel_	hehe	23:41
Estel_	Maybe You should get a girlfriend, N900 may become jealous	23:41
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: once you have an established high speed connection, though, it's fine, right?	23:42
RiD	Estel_ the problem is that my N900 IS my only girlfriend	23:42
Estel_	kerio, from practice, most of the time if it works, it works rox solid	23:42
RiD	and even she complains. Sigh	23:42
Estel_	RiD, exactly. Get her a competition	23:42
RiD	Must be the blown up speaker.	23:43
Estel_	how You managed to do that?	23:43
RiD	That's why she refuses to work, I muted her	23:43
RiD	whahahah	23:43
vi_	how to stop squirals stealing the nuts from my bird feeder??	23:43
Estel_	vi_, buy a cat	23:43
Estel_	it will fix both squirals and birds problems	23:43
Estel_	at once	23:43
RiD	this is not a pet channel lol	23:43
vi_	how to de-gause my snake?	23:44
RiD	Estel_ well, to start with, the earpiece got fudged after one year. Nope, did nothing harsh to her. Infact, it was in very good condition apart from the slightly weared out keyboard (nails, fu)	23:44
kerio	RiD: you could try kp51 and usbmode	23:44
Estel_	combine it with garden snake	23:44
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Estel_	kerio, wtf?	23:44
kerio	re:usb	23:45
vi_	no, the snake.	23:45
RiD	Estel_ and the speaker (right one), well that was when I took a look at android.	23:45
Estel_	and what do you think he is doing?	23:45
Estel_	hostmode without kp?	23:45
Estel_	ough	23:45
vi_	he just hides under his rock mostly.	23:45
Estel_	RiD, you know reason	23:45
RiD	Was trying some applications, started media player and after some time i noticed speakers had better sound	23:45
RiD	little bit after it died	23:45
freemangordon	what kerio is saying is to use the new SW from Pali instead of HEN	23:46
freemangordon	kerio: agree?	23:46
kerio	mango	23:46
Estel_	RiD, when I started, I planned to test nitdroid to. Then, during usage and while doing more important things ojn N900, i noticed that I don't need to	23:46
Estel_	as android doesn't have anything of interest for me ;)	23:46
Estel_	i.e. nothing I couldn't do on n900, and do it better	23:46
RiD	I wanted to try some applications, nothing outstanding	23:46
RiD	Didn't come out that well uh	23:47
RiD	Then i was stupid enough to arrive LATE with the warranty	23:47
Estel_	well, maybe if I would want to play X-Plane helicopter, but it would be a) overkill b) it's laminar research fail an yway, the could release for webos too ;)	23:47
RiD	i thought it would end up in august. It ended in june	23:47
RiD	._.	23:47
Estel_	freemangordon, usb software?	23:47
Estel_	I'm really out of loop still	23:47
RiD	Nokia can repair the speaker and earpiece for 20€~30€ .	23:47
Estel_	RiD, why won't You replace speaker? they're cheap	23:48
kerio	Estel_: the latest kernel-power has a module for charging and usb hostmode	23:48
kerio	and there's a matching GUI	23:48
RiD	they are. Shipping isn't. And I never disassembled a phone	23:48
Estel_	yea, io know about charging, hostmode one missed me	23:48
RiD	not intentionally	23:48
RiD	I would fudge	23:48
Estel_	RiD, but with N900, it's a piece of cake	23:48
Estel_	can You unscrew 6 screws?	23:48
RiD	Estel_ the speaker seems easy, the earpiece don't	23:48
Estel_	and watch Youtube video?:P	23:48
RiD	doesn't*	23:48
Estel_	earpiece as in screen part?	23:49
freemangordon	Estel_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85658	23:49
RiD	yes	23:49
RiD	the one used for calls	23:49
RiD	that one works but the sound is all distorted	23:49
Estel_	little more complicated, yet doable for someone without experience, with enough care and watcyhing dissasembling video	23:49
RiD	it's like boosting a crappy mp3 volume software-wise	23:49
RiD	too much and it will sound like cra	23:49
Estel_	thanks, freemangordon	23:49
RiD	With the required stuff for repairing it , I would spend around 15€ and then do it myself	23:50
vi_	RiD: there are only 6 screws holding the n900 together. The speakers just sit in the case. no soldering required.	23:50
RiD	vi_ yes, i noticed the speakers are easy, from watching some videos on youtube. The earpiece isn't	23:50
RiD	I guess it would be better to ask someone at NOKIA don'tCARE to do it. If he screws up it's his own falt	23:50
vi_	there was that guy who fitted some 5800 speakers in his n900.	23:51
Estel_	vi_, no idea why, as 5800 speakers are, in fact, worse	23:51
vi_	RiD: NO WAY.	23:51
Estel_	it turned out :P	23:51
vi_	RiD: nokia care guys are fucking spastic chimps.	23:51
Estel_	BTW, who decided to put 1 mono speaker in N950?	23:51
RiD	spastic walrus, like you said	23:51
RiD	or someone else	23:51
vi_	DO NOT LET THEM NEAR YOUR N900.	23:51
Estel_	RiD, nokia care can recycle Your device without asking first	23:52
Estel_	would You add your girlfriend to hospital, that havew contract with crematory?	23:52
RiD	It doesn't have warranty lol	23:52
Estel_	still, someone may forget that :P	23:52
RiD	then they better give full refund	23:52
RiD	or someone's house will burn	23:52
vi_	fuck nokia care.	23:52
vi_	fucking retards.	23:52
Estel_	freemangordon, lol, thanks godness, so we don't have to wait for Hen update from MohammadAG anymore?	23:53
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Estel_	hen gui, I mean	23:53
Estel_	sounds neat	23:53
RiD	the speakers and earpiece aren't high priority anyways, so I'll have a lot of time to think about it	23:53
vi_	it is so hard to explain to a so called tech support when you know more about the thing than them.	23:53
RiD	I hardly make calls with it	23:53
vi_	you have to dumb down so as not to offend them.	23:53
kerio	why the hell would you recycle a n900 instead of selling it	23:53
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: should, yes	23:54
vi_	kerio: simple. send it to me.	23:54
kerio	hehe	23:54
RiD	by the way, if anyone has a spare n900 or one that doens't work or whatever	23:54
RiD	but it has a good condition english keyboard (LEGIT! not chinese ripoff), I could talk :D	23:54
vi_	...they can send it to me.	23:54
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, Pali's hostmode detects speed automagically? 0_o?	23:54
kerio	Estel_: it does a bunch of tries	23:54
DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: nah	23:55
kerio	and it doesn't work for me unless i change the timing a bit	23:55
RiD	keyboard only. biggest mistake ever? buying a local n900. Piece of bleep layout	23:55
kerio	RiD: just remap the hell out of it	23:55
Estel_	RiD, from time to time, I have good condition N900 with reinforced USB port (solder method) for 180 euro	23:55
vi_	RiD: getting a real keyboard is hard.	23:55
Estel_	vi_, in my country it's easy	23:55
RiD	Estel_ a real keyboard?	23:55
Estel_	for N900. you mean domesheet, or buttons layer?	23:56
RiD	real as in the ultimate real thing?	23:56
vi_	in poland everything is easier.	23:56
Estel_	yea	23:56
Estel_	vi_, lol ;p	23:56
RiD	buttons is all i need	23:56
RiD	(i guess?)	23:56
DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: it might do what I suggested to blueled as well	23:56
vi_	hell, even your neds are better dressed.	23:56
Estel_	RiD, how much willing to pay for real english keyboard?	23:56
RiD	have no idea actually	23:56
Estel_	I may check if my shop close to home have something in that price range	23:56
RiD	tell me first what would be the cost to deliver to portugal?	23:56
Estel_	what aprts you need, generally?	23:56
vi_	rid they should cost no more than 10 GBP.	23:56
Estel_	vi_, go away :P (joking)	23:57
vi_	for keyboard and surround.	23:57
DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: which is: power up vbus, read out speed from level on D+ and D-, power down vbus to stop session, set controller to proper matching speed, power up vbus again	23:57
RiD	Estel_ I think the only thing i need are the buttons?	23:57
Estel_	RiD, it depens on size of aprts require,d but should be overkill, still inside EU	23:57
RiD	my keyboard is working fine - just wearing out and not the best layout	23:57
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, it seems it's doing it	23:57
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Estel_	which is good from one side, but bad on another, as it makes it longer	23:58
vi_	RiD: go to your dodgiest nokia care centre.	23:58
Estel_	when IU know my speed and don't want auto-test	23:58
vi_	and talk to the owner.	23:58
vi_	if you have a smart mouth you may be able to convince him to sell you one.	23:58
DocScrutinizer05	it might fail miserably when it doesn't check for vbus going down properly. Big capacitors in attached peripheral can make vbus stick at 5V for quite some time	23:58
RiD	vi_ i'm 15 years old. I don't think he would be serious	23:59
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vi_	RiD\|AFK: then u r fucked.	23:59
RiD\|AFK	that's no big news	23:59

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