| Sicelo | the hildonized wireshark not good enough for your use? | 00:00 |
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| * Sicelo admits it's not really hildonized, lol | 00:01 | |
| joga | I've installed it in both easydebian and via app manager, but I wouldn't say it's very optimized still for such a small screen, and it's a hard task anyway | 00:01 |
| joga | maybe easier to fit it by customizing its own interface | 00:02 |
| joga | but I wouldn't need much and could just save the filters I need etc so interaction would be fairly minimal | 00:03 |
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| joga | ah, works :) | 00:06 |
| joga | now I can use the vnc viewer in hildon to view lxde in easy debian, and set the resolution in vncserver | 00:06 |
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| joga | if only I could find my usb nic now.. | 00:10 |
| joga | but I've tested it earlier and it worked fine, it's a nintendo wii ethernet adapter which is just some Asix usb nic | 00:10 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh, why use VNC | 00:11 |
| Sicelo | which package did you install in easydeb? | 00:11 |
| robbiethe1st | Why not just use X? | 00:11 |
| joga | well, vnc can be seen from a bigger screen too, for one :) | 00:11 |
| robbiethe1st | ...Or just use X. | 00:11 |
| joga | sure | 00:11 |
| robbiethe1st | Over the network | 00:11 |
| joga | but I'm trying to make it so that I just need the n900 and the nic, how would you use X here? | 00:12 |
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| joga | I'd like to have a "big screen" like 1280x1024 for example that I could scroll | 00:13 |
| robbiethe1st | If you've got X on the other side, you can simply forward X(either specific applications or the entire screen) | 00:13 |
| joga | so that the interfaces in programs like wireshark wouldn't be so hard to use | 00:13 |
| joga | yeah but here's no other side necessarily, and I'm plugging the cable into n900, so wireshark needs to run there | 00:14 |
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| robbiethe1st | Oh, you're just trying for a bigger virtual screen on the N900? | 00:14 |
| joga | yeah | 00:14 |
| joga | actually it would be sort of awesome to replace the individual desktops with a freely scrollable big one | 00:15 |
| robbiethe1st | http://www.sammynetbook.com/forum/threads/8917-Oversize-screen-resolution-and-screen-scrolling-in-Linux-is-it-possible | 00:16 |
| robbiethe1st | would be something to look at, at least for ED | 00:16 |
| joga | I wouldn't know if I can configure n900 like that, I've familiar with xorg config on the matter though | 00:16 |
| joga | *I'm | 00:16 |
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| joga | but vnc works fine for this :) | 00:17 |
| joga | and doesn't require much tweaking fortunately | 00:17 |
| robbiethe1st | X on the N900 is the same as X anywhere else. Just make a backup with BackupMenu so if things stop working you can restore, and you're good. | 00:20 |
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| joga | uh, I don't know if I want to mess with those on my phone ;) | 00:22 |
| joga | has someone tried setting such a virtual desktop there? | 00:22 |
| Sicelo | which package did you install in easydeb? | 00:23 |
| joga | Sicelo tightvncserver (and wireshark) | 00:23 |
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| joga | then ran debbie bash and there vncserver -geometry 1024x768 | 00:24 |
| Sicelo | kewl. thanks :P | 00:24 |
| joga | then in maemo vnc server and connect to localhost:1 | 00:24 |
| joga | *vnc viewer | 00:25 |
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| joga | now, ideally I guess I could in (easydeb) ~/.vnc/xstartup script set it to launch wireshark full screen ;) | 00:28 |
| joga | though sometimes it's useful to be able to get a terminal, heh, maybe just some minimal wm | 00:29 |
| kerio | i thought the IO problems were solved with PR1.3 :( | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: funny. I suggested oversize virtual desktop just yesterday | 00:38 |
| joga | and I wanted it today ;) | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though for PC with xephyr which doesn't fit on the 1024*768 screen | 00:39 |
| joga | heh I made the startup script use wireshark instead of Xsession but apparently the gtk theme is a bit uglier now | 00:40 |
| joga | but put width about 800 so I don't need to side scroll the vnc desktop, seems to be pretty ok | 00:40 |
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| kerio | robbiethe1st! | 00:49 |
| kerio | robbiethe1st: i love you! | 00:49 |
| kerio | but please find a way to backup and restore kernels | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: actually we could think about putting mtd_debug / nand* to purpose | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to backup and restore kernel partition | 00:51 |
| kerio | c: | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mtd_debug read <device> <offset> <len> <dest-filename> | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mtd_debug write <device> <offset> <len> <source-filename> | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mtd_debug erase <device> <offset> <len> | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# nanddump --help | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# nandwrite --help | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Usage: nandwrite [OPTION] MTD_DEVICE [INPUTFILE|-] | 00:53 |
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| joga | could shift+bluearrow be used as a modified key? | 00:56 |
| joga | *modifier | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:57 |
| joga | what's it called? I was thinking of a metakey for some wm in easydebian | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blue is alt iirc | 00:57 |
| joga | oh, hmm.. | 00:58 |
| joga | so I could press Ctrl+Alt? | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ctrl+alt has a special meanting, it invokes symbol vkbd | 00:59 |
| joga | it doesn't matter which way it's done? | 00:59 |
| joga | or uh, is that the same as alt+ctrl? | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you got a device to test it | 01:00 |
| joga | true, it doesn't | 01:00 |
| joga | hehe, I started x-terminal-emulator as wm and it's sideways :) | 01:01 |
| joga | oh but I'm such a moron, vnc viewer can send those keys for me | 01:04 |
| joga | though a hardware key would be nice of course, I was just checking if there was some wm that would be convenient to use with its keyboard | 01:04 |
| joga | actually ratpoison's ctrl-t is quite ok | 01:08 |
| joga | oh, the sideways terminal is probably because the height of the display is bigger than width | 01:09 |
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| joga | actually ratpoison seems to work surprisingly well with the keyboard :) | 01:13 |
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| joga | this version of wireshark seems to have maybe some bug with the loading screen progress bar and window size, it gets stuck but resizing the frame seems to have helped it continue | 01:49 |
| joga | just a guess though, didn't happen in lxde | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd actually think wireshark is simply too rich a GUI to be useful on a screen size of N900 | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui that's where tshark came from | 01:59 |
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| kakashi_ | Hi, what is the recommeded app for google-voice? (n900 - maemo cssu)? DialCentral gives me a problem, so does qvdial) | 13:05 |
| kerio | isn't google voice sip? | 13:05 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/16/nokia_lumia_sales_guesstimates/ | 17:51 |
| * RST38h just wanted to post that link | 17:55 | |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Thanks for doing the issue. Travelling, I forgot. | 18:06 |
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| kerio | is the lumia selling? | 18:38 |
| RiD | no | 18:39 |
| kerio | fuckin' elop | 18:39 |
| RiD | well, not on my country | 18:39 |
| RiD | I have yet to see someone using a Nokia windows phone | 18:39 |
| RiD | (on my country that is) | 18:39 |
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| StyXman | I have only seen it in hands of qt/kde developers | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, no worries. That's why we have more than one editor. ;) | 18:53 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Top tip, monitor the output after 6am UTC - MohammadAG's username is Mohammad7410 | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I think that was fiferboy. | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I saw him change it but didn't have the presence of mind at the time to notice. | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, by the way, does the editor field accept multiple editors? | 19:18 |
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| X-Fade | Pali: can you push kps 0.15 again? | 19:26 |
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| Pali | X-Fade, ok I will push kernel-power-settings 0.15 again | 19:26 |
| X-Fade | Pali: -source is in packages now. | 19:26 |
| Pali | X-Fade, kernel-power-settings was uploaded | 19:27 |
| X-Fade | Pali: Ok, let's see what happens. | 19:27 |
| X-Fade | Going to get me something to eat and will check afterwards :) | 19:27 |
| Pali | X-Fade, thanks | 19:28 |
| Pali | Now I will upload kernel-power v51 to extras-devel again | 19:29 |
| Pali | X-Fade, [2012-07-16 19:28:04] REJECTED: The same or newer version (kernel-power-settings 0.15) is already in extras-devel | 19:29 |
| Pali | X-Fade, other error. kernel-power v51 is still uploading to extras-devel but I received email: [2012-07-16 19:30:01] REJECTED: 'File size for /mnt/incoming-builder/fremantle/kernel-power_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz does not match that specified in .dsc' | 19:30 |
| X-Fade | Pali: Deleting the entry in packages atm. | 19:31 |
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| Pali | I stopped uploading | 19:31 |
| X-Fade | Pali: try kps again? | 19:32 |
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| Pali | kps pushed again | 19:32 |
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| X-Fade | Pali: Oh, hmm it _was_ in the repo.. Other issue for me to check then.. | 19:33 |
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| jean_brat | h e n is not available in default n900 repository | 19:34 |
| jean_brat | ? | 19:34 |
| jean_brat | i cant find it in application manager | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | extras-devel | 19:36 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Not sure, would have to check the source | 20:01 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: No, currently it only supports one editor. | 20:02 |
| jean_brat | hi i cant find h e n in repositary can any one tell me where i can download? | 20:05 |
| jean_brat | i got disconnected earlier. if any one answered | 20:05 |
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| jean_brat | can any one send me the link to configure extra devel | 20:08 |
| jean_brat | ? | 20:08 |
| kerio | jean_brat: you have to enable the extras-devel repository, you can find instructions on the maemo wiki but are you sure you want to? it's not guaranteed to be reliable software | 20:12 |
| kerio | (the whole repo, i mean) | 20:13 |
| kerio | if you're ok with living on the "bleeding edge", as they say... | 20:13 |
| kerio | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel | 20:13 |
| jean_brat | just wanted to get the h e n | 20:14 |
| jean_brat | cant find it in usal repo | 20:14 |
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| vi__ | HOLY SHIT! | 20:25 |
| vi__ | TWO THOUSAND EUROS!! For an N950! | 20:25 |
| vi__ | ~seen freemangordon | 20:27 |
| infobot | freemangordon <freemangor@130-204-50-168.2074221835.ddns.cablebg.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 6d 9h 58m 10s ago, saying: 'kerio: no KP51 for you :P'. | 20:27 |
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| vi__ | ~seen _freemangordon | 20:27 |
| infobot | _freemangordon <freemangor@130-204-50-168.2074221835.ddns.cablebg.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 7d 3h 12m 54s ago, saying: 'Raimu: yep'. | 20:27 |
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| javispedro | Interesting (re €2000 for the N950) | 20:38 |
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| javispedro | I have to ponder which kind of idiot^Wperson is buying those things | 20:39 |
| javispedro | .oO (eur2000 ... could probably buy laptop.... ) | 20:41 |
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| kerio | for €2000 you could almost buy a rMBP! | 20:44 |
| vi__ | wtf is an rMBP? | 20:44 |
| kerio | retina macbook pro | 20:44 |
| vi__ | pffft. | 20:44 |
| kerio | 15" laptop, 2880x1800 screen | 20:44 |
| vi__ | I would rather have a road legal KDX220 | 20:45 |
| RiD | hello guys | 20:45 |
| RiD | i need some help :D | 20:45 |
| RiD | how can i have a special keyboard layout to use when i connect an external keyboard? | 20:45 |
| RiD | and of course, an easy way to switch between the default n900 keyboard layout and the external one | 20:46 |
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| RiD | nevermind, i think i saw the solution already | 20:48 |
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| beford | 2000 € for what | 20:56 |
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| RiD | for a huge display | 20:56 |
| RiD | that most websites won't like anyways | 20:56 |
| RiD | resolution* | 20:57 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: NBC Purchases MSNBC Rights From Microsoft | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extra fail. | 21:00 |
| javispedro | kerio: wait for the 13'' one | 21:00 |
| javispedro | kerio: then you'll be able to :) | 21:01 |
| wmarone_ | heh | 21:01 |
| wmarone_ | the "MS" in "MSNBC" hasn't been relevant for the better part of a decade or more | 21:01 |
| RiD | so now it's | 21:03 |
| RiD | NBC | 21:03 |
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| RiD | hey guys, i got a great wireless keyboard working on the n900 | 21:10 |
| RiD | it also includes a trackball, and it is working, however it is VERY sensitive | 21:10 |
| RiD | making it impossible to move the mouse around without going to the borders. Is there any way to adjust mouse sensitiveness? | 21:11 |
| RiD | move the arrow* | 21:11 |
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| RiD | and sadly the mouse buttons don't seem to work. Instead of clicking it moves the mouse diagonally | 21:16 |
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| kerio | javispedro: meh, 15" is too small alreadty | 21:22 |
| kerio | *already | 21:22 |
| kerio | it's an effective 1440x900 resolution, just with very detailed subpixels | 21:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wmarone_, the whole network is irrelevant. ;) | 21:27 |
| wmarone_ | That too | 21:28 |
| wmarone_ | But MSNBC was moot when MSN died. | 21:28 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: the monday mourning photo is quite a hit :) | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | that was such a bad morning | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, indeed. | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, that was inspired creativity by Jaffa. :D | 21:32 |
| javispedro | I can imagine, I was at the dublin keynote =) | 21:33 |
| RiD | a | 21:34 |
| javispedro | so if it was the same guy it must have been truly hilarious. | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dublin was better | 21:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | at least there wasn't the overwhelming manic melancholy in Dublin. | 21:34 |
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| javispedro | meh | 21:36 |
| wmarone_ | GeneralAntilles: well, the axe hadn't fallen yet | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | wmarone_, exactly. | 21:38 |
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| wmarone_ | though it was funny seeing the same keynote two years in a row, albeit with less broken-leg the second time around | 21:39 |
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| freemangordon | ~seen zeq | 21:41 |
| infobot | zeq <~steve@cpc19-rdng21-2-0-cust106.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9d 3h 25m 59s ago, saying: 'BlueMaemo does it over bluetooth'. | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | WTF has happened to this guy?!? | 21:42 |
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| RiD | lol | 21:44 |
| RiD | oh by the way freemangordon, if you wouldn't mind, could you help me? :D | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | i could try :) | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | How many people caught Zemlin's "Something about a fire." comment during the keynote in SF? | 21:45 |
| RiD | Well, i got a nice external keyboard that I connected using h-e-n, got the layout sorted out so everything is working fine. | 21:45 |
| RiD | but it also contains a trackball, and that also works, but it is way too sensitive to handle | 21:45 |
| RiD | and the buttons for the trackball don't work. It seems to drag the mouse a few pixels instead | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | you could try to set sensitivity in HAL script | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | same for the buttons | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | RiD: Check the contents of /usr/lib/hal and/ot /usr/share/hal (iirc) for examples | 21:47 |
| RiD | will do. Accidentally rebooted my phone (sigh) | 21:48 |
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| freemangordon | RiD: another example here:http://jasonxh.blogspot.com/2008/02/slow-down-your-evdev-mouse.html | 21:54 |
| RiD | i am now officially lost | 21:57 |
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| freemangordon | RiD: why? what you need is a HAL FDI script. Another option could be an udev rule, never used it though. | 22:01 |
| RiD | so, would evdev-speed-1.1.5.patch provided on that blog work? | 22:03 |
| freemangordon | RiD: NFC, that was just an example on how should an HAL FDI script look like | 22:04 |
| RiD | the problem is that I don't know how to make a script. I don't know how to script at all | 22:07 |
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| freemangordon | RiD: by using a text editor (leafpad, mcedit, whatever you want that saves the files with UNIX line endings) | 22:08 |
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| vi__ | freemangordon: email! | 22:15 |
| vi__ | no email here. | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | vi__: yep :P | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | but it was a mail asking for my address and phone number | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | Maybe they have yours. You live in Papua New Guinea, ain't? :D:D:D | 22:19 |
| vi__ | nope. | 22:19 |
| vi__ | did you see an N950 sold for 2000 euros? | 22:19 |
| freemangordon | no. 2000 euros? WTF, this guy should be crazy. | 22:20 |
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| Pali | good business :D | 22:21 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: the error you have is not woth modules.dep | 22:24 |
| freemangordon | look at the end of the file | 22:24 |
| freemangordon | Pali: "no such file" | 22:25 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: maybe you should have the path to kernel-power-headers too | 22:30 |
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| jonwil | ok, I give up. Finding the formula to convert battery temperatures inside BME is too hard. | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: hmm, why is that? Couldn't we just compare get the output from ADC for several points wna approximate it with a second/third order polinomial? | 22:48 |
| jonwil | \maybe | 22:48 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil: do you have the code to read the ADC? | 22:49 |
| jonwil | but I think better idea might be to find the part number for (and datasheet of/specs of) R1110 (listed on the schematics as the temperature sensor and directly connected to the ADC input) | 22:50 |
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| freemangordon | sure, but do we have any clue what is the chip? DocScrutinizer06: ^^^ | 22:50 |
| jonwil | the temprature sensor is listed on the schematics as R110 | 22:51 |
| jonwil | R1110 | 22:51 |
| jonwil | its a 10k something | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | hmm, lemme ask google | 22:51 |
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| jonwil | I am guessing the 10k might be in ohms | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | a 10k NTC or PTC | 22:51 |
| jonwil | aha, I think its some sort of thermistor | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | no way to find out about the type | 22:51 |
| jonwil | if we had a part number for the thermistor we could come up with the formula that maps resistance to temprature | 22:52 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil: But how we are supposed ti find that, r1110 has nothing to do with part number :( | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | I still think it is better to just approximate it | 22:54 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: how did you fennec version come along? | 22:56 |
| freemangordon | vi__: I was on holiday for the last week | 22:57 |
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| vi__ | ~seen _freemangordon | 22:58 |
| infobot | _freemangordon <freemangor@130-204-50-168.2074221835.ddns.cablebg.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 7d 5h 43m 42s ago, saying: 'Raimu: yep'. | 22:58 |
| vi__ | 7days= q week. | 22:58 |
| vi__ | 7days=1 week. | 22:58 |
| vi__ | seems legit | 22:58 |
| Raimu | Immortalized highlight. Inconvenient. | 22:58 |
| merlin1991 | Raimu: DocScrutinizer had a highlight that got said by infobot like 20 times :D | 22:59 |
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| vi__ | is a thumb compiled browserd possible or is there too much closed source douchebaggery? | 23:01 |
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| Raimu | vi__: Hey, freemangordon did it already. | 23:03 |
| Raimu | ...or was it just some other part of microb? | 23:03 |
| * Raimu Shrugged | 23:03 | |
| vi__ | are you jerking my chain? | 23:03 |
| Raimu | I was just fazed for a while over whether you meant microb, because that's released, already. | 23:06 |
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| Raimu | Then I went "oh right, they're separate components" | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | jonwil: we don't have that part number | 23:07 |
| jonwil | ok | 23:07 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil: do you have the code to read ADC BSI? | 23:08 |
| jonwil | no | 23:08 |
| jonwil | I dont have any bme related code as such | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | so get 3 support points by using a thermometer and your fridge / warm place. Find diagram of a random NTC/PTC and stretch it so the 3 support points match | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | jonwil :) I know, my question could be read as: Did you RE the code to read ADC? | 23:09 |
| jonwil | no | 23:09 |
| freemangordon | ok | 23:09 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: do you plan to RE it? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | s/random/random 10k/ | 23:09 |
| jacekowski | reading adc is easy | 23:09 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer06 meant: so get 3 support points by using a thermometer and your fridge / warm place. Find diagram of a random 10k NTC/PTC and stretch it so the 3 support points match | 23:09 |
| jacekowski | you can get to it via /sys iirc | 23:09 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: no | 23:09 |
| freemangordon | you can't | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | yes you can | 23:10 |
| jonwil | you can get to it via /dev/twl2040-adc or something | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | it's standard i2c chip | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | specs are public | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | there is no need to RE it | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | anyway you need ioctl to read it | 23:10 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: ^^^ | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | and all the stuff is there | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | jacekowski: twl4030 is not THAT standard ;-) | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | standard enough | 23:11 |
| freemangordon | AFAIK there is an ioctl to read all ADC inputs , raw data | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | yes | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | BSI is just a resistor | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | that's all | 23:11 |
| jonwil | battery temprature gauge is a thermistor | 23:11 |
| freemangordon | BSI is thermistor | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | we're not talking BSI | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | though it's kinda similar | 23:11 |
| jonwil | the schematics say its a thermistor | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | where | 23:12 |
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| jacekowski | according to all measurments done by me and other people | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | that's a resistor | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | and it's specific to battery type | 23:12 |
| jonwil | not BSI | 23:12 |
| jonwil | battery temprature sensor | 23:12 |
| freemangordon | ok, sorry , my bad | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | where is it? | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | in the battery? | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | R1110 | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | no | 23:13 |
| jonwil | its not in the battery | 23:13 |
| jonwil | its some unknown part on the PCB | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | ahm | 23:13 |
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| jacekowski | that one | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | well, then that's a thermistor | 23:13 |
| freemangordon | :D | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | not really much of a problem then | 23:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | probably in close contact to the metal bay the battery gets inserted to | 23:13 |
| jonwil | we know that the temprature sensor is a thermistor | 23:14 |
| jonwil | what we dont know is the forumula this specific thermistor uses to map temperatures to resistance levels | 23:14 |
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| jonwil | different parts will do it differently | 23:14 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: it is a problem as long as we don't have its R/T diagram | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | jonwil: but they all have same "order" diagram. so with 3 support points you're fine | 23:15 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | freemangordon: ^^^ as well | 23:15 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: that can be REed easily | 23:15 |
| jacekowski | lemme see | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: 3 wouldn't be enough , lemme refresh my memory a bit | 23:16 |
| jacekowski | hmmmmm | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | y=ax^2+bx+c | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: 3 would be enough for a thermocouple, not for a thermistor, IIRC it is a semiconductor after all ( dust, but still) | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: I think we need at least third order | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | you start with 3 and check with a 4th | 23:18 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: check Steinhart-Hart equation on wikipedia | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | if the 4th is off, you go one order higher polynom | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~wiki Steinhart-Hart | 23:19 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinhart-Hart (URL), Wikipedia explains: "The 'SteinhartâHart equation' is a model of the resistance of a semiconductor at different temperatures. The equation is: :{1 \over T} = A + B \ln(R) + C (\ln(R))^3 \, where: * T is the temperature (in kelvins) * "R" is the resistance at "T" (in ohms) * A, B, and C are the 'Steinhart-Hart coefficients' which vary depending on the type and model of thermistor and the ... | 23:19 |
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| jacekowski | ugh | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 23:20 |
| jacekowski | there is a lot of code to calculate that battery temperature | 23:20 |
| jacekowski | and i mean A LOT | 23:20 |
| jacekowski | and it's floating point | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermistor | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | jacekowski: WTF?! | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | so, we need to find those 3 parameters in the equation, lemme check if my matlab still works | 23:21 |
| jonwil | remember also that there is a capacitor connected to the ADC as well as the thermistor | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: should not matter | 23:21 |
| jonwil | ok | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | that is a filter | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer06: well, i know where it reads BTEMP | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer06: in BME | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer06: as in raw value from ADC | 23:22 |
| jonwil | I found out where its reading the battery temp too | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | well, matlab starts ok, I just need the data :D | 23:22 |
| jacekowski | .text:0001DC1C | 23:22 |
| jacekowski | you've got that one? | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: lemme fire IDA | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | for bme-replacement purposes, those 3 parameters clearly are confic variables you feed to the module by whatever means at runtime | 23:23 |
| jonwil | I got as far as 1DCC0 | 23:23 |
| jonwil | I saw the raw ADC value come as far as that | 23:24 |
| jonwil | so at 1DCC0 R0 is the raw value | 23:24 |
| jonwil | at least as far as I can tell its the raw ADC value | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | fine, fsck steinhart-hart and build a LUT | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | with linear interpolation ;-D | 23:24 |
| jonwil | then what I saw is that sub_17D44 did a bunch of stuff I couldn't follow | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | after all that temperature is a geustimate | 23:25 |
| jonwil | and returned some other value | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | jonwil: raw'ish | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | jonwil: it looks like it's float in there | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | eeeek | 23:25 |
| jonwil | yeah it looks like sub_17D44 is FPU | 23:25 |
| jonwil | worse still ARM FPU | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | a float for a 12?-bit ADC value | 23:25 |
| jonwil | which from what I can tell is even MORE complex than x86 FPU | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | WTF?!! | 23:26 |
| jonwil | in any case I definatly gotta zzz now being that its 4am here :) | 23:26 |
| jonwil | later guys | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | i've had it emulated some time ago | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | l8r | 23:26 |
| jonwil | if you get anywhere, let me know :) | 23:26 |
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| jacekowski | but then i've realised that there is no real need for it | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | as it may be simpler to just RE it from the battery itself | 23:26 |
| jonwil | you mean from the temperature sensor directly? | 23:27 |
| jonwil | as in reverse engineering the thermistor values | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | NOT battery | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | unless you mean from temeprature of battery and whole device | 23:28 |
| jonwil | either way, figuring it out seems to be important for a BME replacement (as pulseaudio relies on temprature data to do its work) | 23:28 |
| jonwil | definatly zzz now | 23:28 |
| jonwil | cya | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | weird enough | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: then we just need some code to read ADC raw value and BME temperature | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | :nod: | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | pragmatic approach | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer: LUT should do the job too, but I hate LUTs :D | 23:29 |
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| jacekowski | well, it looks like it's linear | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | as far as i remember | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | so all you need is 2 points | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermistor | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: IIRC how the thermistor works, there is no way it is linear. It MIGHT be linear for just a short diapason | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | linear is good for a "small range" | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | we got a small range here | 23:30 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: up to 60-70 deg is not a small range | 23:31 |
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| jacekowski | it is for a thermistor | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | you can "linearise" them | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | as long as the error over range -20C-80C is less than 2° off, it's just pretty fine | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | well, http://www.fpharm.uniba.sk/fileadmin/user_upload/english/Fyzika/Thermistor.pdf a sample diagram | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | its too far from line to approximate it with a simple ax+b | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | well, kinda | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | i don't think it cares about precise temperature measurments anyways | 23:37 |
| freemangordon | if bme uses FPU to calculate the temp, we should use the same, trying to keep the precision as high as possible, and readings as close to BME as possible. | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | After all we don't know how is that temp reading used | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | dafaq | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I dunno how it's used but I know how precise is the original raw data | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | exactly not at all | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | you could have some PID, or whatever | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | you also could have a loose battery | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | od cold wind blowing through the whole device | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | or* | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | sure, but adding our own error to the above won't make things better :) | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | nor worse | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | TBH I don't see a reason why not do our best to have the best precision possible | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | after all noone will calculate the coefficients by hand | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | using finicky float algo though might increase cpu load and codesize and possibility of errors sneaking in | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | I told you, just give me the data and I will use matldb for whatever order polinomial is needed | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: we can use integers | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | without loosing precision | 23:44 |
| freemangordon | losing* | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | yes, that's what I said | 23:44 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: BTW are you aware that fcam drivers work with cssu-kernel? | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | for a 12bit AD value a 32bit integer is way more than overprovisioning | 23:45 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 23:45 |
| freemangordon | hmm, actually it depends on polinomial order | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | if we need x^4, then it would not be enough i think | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | who would need that precision? PA? hardly | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | bme? definitely not, for bme replacement a simple compare of raw value against a threshold is all you need | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | well, some pluginn ads EXACTLY 7 deg to BME reading to find out the ambiet temperature :D | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | LOL | 23:49 |
| freemangordon | hald-addon-usb or something | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | o/ ->dinner | 23:50 |
| RiD | i went full retard guys! | 23:59 |
| RiD | anyone has a copy of transp, that is on /usr/share/icons/default? | 23:59 |
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