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| goka | hello fellas. | 00:37 |
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| MrPingu | hi | 00:37 |
| goka | jusk quick question: can someone please point me what's the path where angry birds for N9 store the saved data, puntuations etc? | 00:38 |
| kerio | puntuations? :o | 00:38 |
| goka | sorry, scores xD not my native language | 00:39 |
| goka | i don't want to create a thread on tmo just to ask this, i'ts bloated enough as it is | 00:39 |
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| goka | i want to flash my device and don't want to loose all the data | 00:41 |
| MrPingu | hmm n9 is harmattan, but on N900 it's /opt/rovio/ iirc | 00:42 |
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| goka | i will try that, thanks MrPingu. but nobody here with a N9? | 00:45 |
| MrPingu | We have a special harmattan channel ;) | 00:46 |
| MrPingu | Sure there are some users here who own n9 too | 00:46 |
| goka | really? real irc noob here :p whats the channel? #harmattan? | 00:47 |
| MrPingu | #harmattan | 00:47 |
| MrPingu | yeah ;) | 00:47 |
| MrPingu | goka, I am not the best with irc either, so don't worry | 00:48 |
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| goka | :-D | 00:49 |
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| luke-jr | w00t picked up a spare N900 for $200 | 00:55 |
| kerio | luke-jr: ha! picked up a used (but barely) n900 for 150€ | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: :) | 00:56 |
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| MrPingu | Hmm why are my earphones detected as tv-out? | 01:04 |
| MrPingu | ah after 3rd time plugging in it detected it as earphones... | 01:05 |
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| Macer | oh wow | 01:45 |
| Macer | someoen bought my n900 screen for $50 :) | 01:45 |
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| RiD | it was me | 01:45 |
| RiD | no, not me | 01:45 |
| Macer | heh | 01:46 |
| qwazix_N950 | Macer, congrats | 01:46 |
| Macer | my first ebay sale lol | 01:46 |
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| Macer | it was the whole screen and assembly tho | 01:49 |
| Macer | so i probably sold it cheap :) considering the scarcity of them | 01:50 |
| RiD | i wonder if anyone here has experience with file headers and so on to find out data packed with zlib inside of them D: | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | errr | 02:11 |
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| Macer | haha | 02:20 |
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| Macer | i sent an email to nokia about my lumia 900 a month ago | 02:20 |
| Macer | finally got a response | 02:20 |
| Macer | Nokia is total shit | 02:20 |
| Macer | they still make the best quality hardware but the company itself is absolute garbage | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | What was the | 02:21 |
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| RiD | Macer last good phone was n900 | 02:22 |
| RiD | well, maybe n9 too but they failed at comercializing it | 02:22 |
| Macer | heh | 02:22 |
| Macer | e7 was nice too | 02:22 |
| Macer | :) | 02:22 |
| Macer | hardwarewise they make awesome stuff | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | n808! | 02:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | 42MP of win? | 02:23 |
| Macer | they have the best hardware .... as far as quality... minus..... | 02:23 |
| Macer | falling off usb ports | 02:23 |
| Macer | and breaking modems | 02:23 |
| Macer | but that's asia's fault :-P | 02:23 |
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| * Muelli still has a broken modem phone :- | 02:30 | |
| Muelli | \ | 02:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | :/ | 02:35 |
| cehteh | http://www.reichelt.de/Kippschalter/GUARD-R17-10/3/index.html?;ACTION=3;LA=2;ARTICLE=105434;GROUPID=3275;artnr=GUARD+R17-10;SID=12T1fXn38AAAIAAAu8sgMbe0fe10bae7243de7c39d0da02514df2 | 02:39 |
| cehteh | mhm .. planning automatic plant watering for the balcony .. i think i always wanted such a security switch :) | 02:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: I thought that was a stapler when I first looked at it. | 02:42 |
| cehteh | :/ .. just figured out that it wont fit into the case | 02:42 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: Criminals Distribute Infected USB Sticks In Parking Lot | 04:15 |
| RiD | haha | 04:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | robbiethe1st, ping? | 04:20 |
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| RiD | ping | 04:25 |
| RiD | ~ping | 04:25 |
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| iluminator105 | hi i am working ppp0 is always on my internet connections? | 05:39 |
| iluminator105 | hi i am wondering what ppp0 is always on my internet connections? | 05:39 |
| robbiethe1st | Point-to-point protocol | 05:39 |
| robbiethe1st | Used for some dsl type connections, though is usually dealt with by your modem | 05:39 |
| iluminator105 | i am was wondering if it was open port or someone could connect into my device using it | 05:40 |
| robbiethe1st | No, I'm pretty sure not | 05:41 |
| iluminator105 | it has next to a dot three semi archs and a dot | 05:43 |
| iluminator105 | what is symbol called | 05:44 |
| robbiethe1st | My phone uses something like that for wifi point-to-point networking | 05:44 |
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| jpinx | I have an issue with connecting the n900 to a debian laptop. When I connect in PCSuite mode and try to rsync files between netbook and n900 only the phone memory is available. The SB card is mounted ro every time. How can I make it mount rw? | 08:20 |
| japh | jpinx, ..? why are you using 'pc suite' mode? | 08:24 |
| jpinx | japh: cos I use wvdial to connect to internet through my simcard | 08:25 |
| sulx | jpinx: try to unmount that memorycard manually. Maybe something is using it or something | 08:27 |
| japh | jpinx, humm. | 08:28 |
| jpinx | sulx: tried that. but remounting fails | 08:28 |
| japh | if you don't answer the question, you can access everything as-is | 08:28 |
| jpinx | japh: did you not see? I use PCSuite mode so that I can use wvdial in the netbook to connect to the internet throught the n900 simcard | 08:29 |
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| japh | okay, I really don't understand what that is | 08:30 |
| japh | by question I didn't mean my question, but the one the phone is asking when connecting the device to the computer | 08:31 |
| japh | ignore me then :) | 08:31 |
| jpinx | japh: it is not asking a question - merely tells me that the SD card memory is not available cos it is mounted ro | 08:31 |
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| phrearch | hi | 10:09 |
| phrearch | any idea if failure of reading the simcard is a known problem of the n900? | 10:11 |
| jpinx | phrearch: not heard of it in 3 years and 2 n900's | 10:12 |
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| jpinx | phrearch: and multiple international simcards | 10:12 |
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| phrearch | jpinx: hm, guess im unlucky then | 10:13 |
| jpinx | phrearch: check the sim card in another phone | 10:13 |
| jpinx | likely a dud ;) | 10:13 |
| phrearch | yea good idea. its a weird issue | 10:14 |
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| phrearch | http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/N900-no-mobile-network-connectivity-SIM-card-not-recognized/td-p/689268 | 10:16 |
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| phrearch | ill have to try it in another phone first | 10:17 |
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| jpinx | phrearch: make sure your n900 is not in flight mode | 10:22 |
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| phrearch | ehm, where is that setting? | 10:26 |
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| jpinx | press the on/off for a second and a menu will show | 10:29 |
| phrearch | ah got it. no itw as not in flight modus | 10:32 |
| phrearch | first time i ever see this menu hehe | 10:32 |
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| phrearch | looks like its a goner. it always worked as expected, but at some point it just failed without no obvious reason :( | 10:33 |
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| jpinx | phrearch: did it get wet and/or abraded? | 10:36 |
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| phrearch | it was kinda warm that day | 10:36 |
| phrearch | i think it got toasted | 10:36 |
| jpinx | define "warm" ? I've had simcards ok at 50 degrees Centigrade | 10:37 |
| phrearch | 30 degrees or something, nothing extreme | 10:38 |
| jpinx | phrearch: check your n900 with a known good simcard | 10:38 |
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| jpinx | if it fails the problems is probably hardware - possible just the little spring contacts in the simcard holder onto the sim card | 10:39 |
| phrearch | i already tried to move those a little bit up | 10:40 |
| jpinx | phrearch: but be careful if fiddling with those --very easy to damage | 10:40 |
| phrearch | probably hardware. will check with another simcard asap | 10:40 |
| phrearch | yep :) | 10:40 |
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| Macer | heh | 10:41 |
| Macer | i had the same problem | 10:41 |
| Macer | modem failure | 10:41 |
| Macer | tried bending the pins up didn't work | 10:41 |
| Macer | kept losing the sim/cell connection.... sucked :-/ i miss my n900 | 10:41 |
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| phrearch | aha, sounds like the same issue | 10:42 |
| phrearch | you sent if for repair? | 10:42 |
| Macer | no | 10:42 |
| Macer | i tried but they said thephone was purchased from the UK | 10:43 |
| phrearch | hm too bad | 10:43 |
| Macer | and there is no viable way to ship it to UK and have them ship it back to the US | 10:43 |
| Macer | yeah.. it sucks | 10:43 |
| Macer | i wouldn't even mind getting an e7 back tbh | 10:43 |
| Macer | but it did let me get away from t-mobile.. which totally sucks in chicago.. i swapped to att and got a lumia 900 | 10:44 |
| Macer | i wouldn't mind getting an N9 if they were't still so expensive | 10:44 |
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| Macer | i still use the n900 at home via wifi | 10:45 |
| jpinx | maybe I've been lucky with hardware - 3 n900's and always managed to fix them myself - one is a dedicated usb modem for the netbook | 10:45 |
| Macer | heh yeah.. my first n900 had the usb port fall off | 10:45 |
| phrearch | yea, maybe nice as webserver :) | 10:46 |
| Macer | didn't even know they did that until it happened to me | 10:46 |
| Macer | guess it was a common failure | 10:46 |
| jpinx | Macer: did you explore getting a new simcard holder and fitting it yourself? | 10:46 |
| Macer | no.. i saw no need since i got away from tmobile.. 2G is no fun ;) | 10:46 |
| jpinx | Macer: yea - reams have been written about the weak usb ports and how to fix them | 10:46 |
| Macer | i saw that.. tried to fix it but couldn't manage to do it | 10:47 |
| Macer | gave up and got a new one | 10:47 |
| Macer | which had the modem failure with the sim | 10:47 |
| Macer | worked great for almost a year.. then ... broken | 10:47 |
| Macer | i thought my sim was messed up but guess it was the n900 :( | 10:47 |
| Macer | it was a sad day | 10:47 |
| Macer | nothing beats the n900.. i wish nokia kept that type of device going | 10:47 |
| jpinx | you can buy 2nd hand n900's really cheap now | 10:47 |
| Macer | "cheap" ;) | 10:48 |
| Macer | i actually got that one for pretty cheap.. but after 2 breaks ... i gave up | 10:48 |
| phrearch | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1229823 | 10:48 |
| jpinx | Macer: depends what country you're in | 10:48 |
| Macer | i'm in the US | 10:48 |
| jpinx | Macer: in NZ they can be as low as US$70 equivalent | 10:48 |
| jpinx | less if you're prepared to replace a screen or even just flassh the system | 10:49 |
| Macer | i could probably get a new one for around $150 here.. but i don't want to use 2G | 10:49 |
| Macer | oh i'm sure.. i had a spare screen .. sold it on ebay for $50 | 10:49 |
| Macer | from the first one with the USB port that broke | 10:49 |
| Macer | i was keeping it around for the 2nd one just in case.. but see no need to keep it | 10:49 |
| jpinx | lots of semi-broken ones for sale cos people don't know how to fix them | 10:49 |
| Macer | heh | 10:49 |
| Macer | they're actually incredibly easy to disassemble | 10:49 |
| Macer | for the type of device it is | 10:50 |
| * jpinx has 2 working and one for spares | 10:50 | |
| Macer | i think the G2 was the worst i took apart | 10:50 |
| jpinx | always looking for another broken one for spares ;) | 10:50 |
| Macer | does the N9 support the att 3G freq? | 10:50 |
| Macer | or 4G? | 10:50 |
| Macer | but then again.. lord knows how well that meego dev is going :) since nokia abandoned that as well | 10:51 |
| Macer | wow the n8x0 and n9xxx series was a total drag | 10:51 |
| Macer | such potential but constantly abandoned | 10:51 |
| Macer | time and time and time again.. what a shame | 10:51 |
| phrearch | bad management from nokia. i think they got lobotomized at some point | 10:52 |
| Macer | i agree | 10:52 |
| jpinx | they got lobotomized by MS ;) | 10:52 |
| Macer | i can understand the need to swap over to wp7 or win8.. but they could have kept the N900 line going | 10:52 |
| Macer | just as a niche | 10:53 |
| Macer | i'm sure it would still have been quite profitable | 10:53 |
| phrearch | yea, same | 10:53 |
| jpinx | Macer: they had a great chance to take on MS and Android and win | 10:53 |
| Macer | jpinx: i dunno... i doubt that for some reason | 10:53 |
| jpinx | but their new boss is a MS clone..... | 10:53 |
| Macer | they'd have to have something come out shining | 10:53 |
| Macer | and people were already stuck on ios, android, and wp7 | 10:54 |
| jpinx | Macer: the n900 could be slimmed down and the OS refined -- look at the work the volunteers have done..... | 10:54 |
| Macer | i have to admit.. while i miss my n900 and love maemo.... | 10:54 |
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| Macer | wp7 isn't that bad :) | 10:54 |
| jpinx | ios is a pos | 10:54 |
| Macer | i have a lumia 900 | 10:54 |
| jpinx | and wp7 is worse | 10:54 |
| Macer | jpinx: tbh.. in comparison to what maemo was doing.... | 10:55 |
| Macer | everything is a pos ;) | 10:55 |
| Macer | REAL multitasking | 10:55 |
| jpinx | clicky OS's that only do what they allow you | 10:55 |
| Macer | awesome interface.. just great system | 10:55 |
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| Macer | jpinx: i guess.. but that is life... :) | 10:55 |
| Macer | i honestly think wp7 does everything i need | 10:55 |
| jpinx | life sux sometimes ;) | 10:55 |
| Macer | but i miss having an xserver and xterm :( | 10:55 |
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| jpinx | Macer: I couldn't live without cl on the n900 | 10:56 |
| Macer | heh | 10:56 |
| Macer | believe it or not | 10:56 |
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| jpinx | and the ability to ssh into it and fiddle | 10:56 |
| Macer | ie for wp7 is probably the best broser i have used on a mobile device ;) | 10:56 |
| Macer | browser | 10:56 |
| Macer | microb was ok.. but rather sluggish.. but of course that can be hardware.. but the mozilla engine seems to have gotten retardedly bloated | 10:57 |
| jpinx | mobile browswers universally suck cos the websites are really crap | 10:57 |
| Macer | i suppose.. but it is very tolerable using ie | 10:57 |
| jpinx | Macer: yea - even firefox is bloatware now :( | 10:57 |
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| Macer | it really is the best one i've tried so far on a phone or small device | 10:57 |
| Macer | responsive.. supports most things... just overall works and is quick | 10:58 |
| * jpinx is resisting chrome on the eeepc | 10:58 | |
| Macer | something i didn't expect from ie | 10:58 |
| Macer | google had very few good ideas | 10:58 |
| Macer | gmail... gdocs... android... and chrome | 10:58 |
| Macer | the rest of everything google pretty much sucks | 10:58 |
| jpinx | maps are pretty good | 10:59 |
| Macer | and chrome was probably their 2nd biggest accomplishment :) | 10:59 |
| Macer | i wonder how much information chrome sucks up for google | 10:59 |
| jpinx | lots ;) | 10:59 |
| Macer | heh | 10:59 |
| Macer | what makes it so bad... is that chrome is awesome | 10:59 |
| jpinx | and no chance of noscript in it ;) | 10:59 |
| Macer | you can't help but use it considering the alternatives | 10:59 |
| Macer | i really liked rekonq | 11:00 |
| Macer | but it's still a big flakey | 11:00 |
| jpinx | Macer: I use swiftfox now - sort of stripped down firefox | 11:00 |
| Macer | bit | 11:00 |
| jpinx | never tried rekong..... | 11:00 |
| Macer | i'd still rather use something that uses webkit | 11:00 |
| jpinx | rekonq -- even.... | 11:00 |
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| Macer | it's not bad.. but like i said... still a bit buggy | 11:00 |
| Macer | personally i think on the liniux desktop side of the house kde is the best way to go | 11:01 |
| Macer | they've done quite a lot with kde4.. it is something my 60 year old father can use without being confused | 11:01 |
| jpinx | Macer: I don't use kde or gnome, so I supppose rekonq is a no-no ? | 11:02 |
| Macer | and rekonq is the kde browser.. but it needs work.. although i haven't used it in over a year.. they my have cleaned it up a bit | 11:02 |
| Macer | naw.. you can install rekonq without using kde | 11:02 |
| Macer | you'd have kdelibs and qt install of course | 11:02 |
| jpinx | :( | 11:02 |
| Macer | i used to run it in fluxbox :) but wound up getting rid of it for chromium | 11:02 |
| Macer | either way... i just run kubuntu and be done with it.. my server runs debian | 11:03 |
| Macer | although i'm considering swapping over to freebsd for zfs once i get a motherboard working again | 11:03 |
| Macer | i miss freebsd.. i meant to use it at first but the via nic chipset in the artigo i used to run just wouldn't work in fbsd :( | 11:04 |
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| Macer | ah well.. have to do stuff.... ttyl | 11:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: go look at license conditions of redistributable blobs for n9xx and it becomes apperant why it's a problem for a company to do, simple as that | 11:08 |
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| Pali | ping DocScrutinizer | 12:38 |
| Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1235118&postcount=474 | 12:38 |
| Pali | new update for kernel-power-modules v51 package, see ^^^ | 12:41 |
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| Pali | bq27x00_battery will export file /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/registers | 12:42 |
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| Viltzu | asd. Anyone knows where the gcc-4.6 was for scratchbox? :) | 13:00 |
| Viltzu | Zeq once told what to do but I didn't write the link up anywhere. | 13:01 |
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| Viltzu | Okay found it. (from logs) | 13:05 |
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| qwazix | kerio, ping | 14:38 |
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| kerio | pong? | 14:47 |
| kerio | sup | 14:47 |
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| qwazix | kerio, I was trying to play with the backlight within a script the other day | 14:59 |
| qwazix | and while piping to sudo gainroot worked, sudo did not work | 14:59 |
| qwazix | maybe that's why so many packages depend on roots | 15:00 |
| qwazix | rootsh* | 15:00 |
| kerio | *piping* to sudo gainroot? wtf | 15:00 |
| qwazix | sh -c "echo 0 /path/to/sysfolder/brightness" | sudo gainroot | 15:00 |
| kerio | ...dafuq? that makes no sense | 15:01 |
| qwazix | sh -c '"echo 0 /path/to/sysfolder/brightness" | sudo gainroot' | 15:01 |
| kerio | oh, i see | 15:01 |
| kerio | that's an incredibly backwards way of doing that | 15:01 |
| qwazix | couldn't find any other one | 15:01 |
| qwazix | Now i'm thinking maybe developer (madde runs apps as developer) is not in sudoers | 15:02 |
| kerio | echo 0 | sudo dd of=/sys/foo/bar/baz/brightness | 15:02 |
| kerio | that's the usual standard way | 15:02 |
| qwazix | oh, thanks, didn't know that | 15:02 |
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| qwazix | nah, user and developer are the same user | 15:05 |
| qwazix | ~$ sudo su developer | 15:05 |
| qwazix | ~$ whoami | 15:05 |
| qwazix | user | 15:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Argh. | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | lots of SGI graphics errors. | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | SGX? | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm hoping it's damp - phone is now in oven baking at 60C for the next day or so. | 15:20 |
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| Lava_Croft | poor phone | 15:27 |
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| Hurrian | damn, that's nasty. | 15:28 |
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| vi__ | god damned freenode banned my ass. | 16:32 |
| vi__ | merlin1991: ping | 16:33 |
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| MrPingu | vi__ dafuq? | 16:44 |
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| kerio | vi__: maybe they banned you because you keep pinging a dude who's in vacation in greece | 16:48 |
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| vi__ | kerio: maybe they should ban you for being such a fert nugget. | 16:53 |
| vi__ | ^/fart | 16:53 |
| vi__ | MrPingu: My works pipes everything through a squid proxy. Freenode do not like proxies. | 16:54 |
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| kerio | vi__: even if you login to nickserv with the server password? | 16:56 |
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| twinklstar | hi all | 17:58 |
| twinklstar | hello.. | 17:59 |
| twinklstar | why all silent?? | 17:59 |
| StyXman | twinklstar: it'snormal | 18:00 |
| StyXman | it's silent until there's something interesting to say | 18:01 |
| twinklstar | i ws logged in to listen sme chat | 18:01 |
| twinklstar | oh | 18:01 |
| vi__ | I can confirm this. | 18:01 |
| StyXman | twinklstar: not much right now | 18:01 |
| StyXman | but it comes and goes | 18:01 |
| twinklstar | people r w8ng fr smthng | 18:01 |
| StyXman | so the suggestion is: leave the window open, see what happens | 18:02 |
| twinklstar | smthng interesting | 18:02 |
| twinklstar | ya..k frnd.. | 18:02 |
| StyXman | uh? | 18:02 |
| StyXman | is that supposed to mean anything? | 18:02 |
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| twinklstar | whr i cn find sme infromation abt n900 file system? | 18:04 |
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| kerio | twinklstar: ls -lR | 18:04 |
| vi__ | SPEAK ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER. | 18:04 |
| kerio | >:D | 18:04 |
| kerio | also that | 18:04 |
| kerio | vi__: chill, though | 18:04 |
| kerio | does anyone know if there's a way to configure fapman to always show all packages instead of just the user-serviceable ones? | 18:05 |
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| vi__ | Few things rustle my jimmies harder than txt speak. | 18:05 |
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| RiD | kerio fapman, again | 18:11 |
| * RiD giggles | 18:11 | |
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| kerio | is it expected for fennec to be awfully slow? | 18:11 |
| kerio | RiD: hey, the stock one is called ham | 18:11 |
| RiD | burger | 18:11 |
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| vi__ | yes, fennec sucks asses. | 18:20 |
| vi__ | Apparently the new version ported by FMG and zod is way faster, however you will have to wait till they are finnished. | 18:21 |
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| kerio92 | finnished, hah | 18:22 |
| * kerio92 pictures them slowly turning into someone from helsinki | 18:23 | |
| jaska | hah | 18:23 |
| jaska | finnish him! | 18:23 |
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| Pali | ping DocScrutinizer | 18:42 |
| Pali | I have some problems with usb host mode | 18:42 |
| Pali | I have usb hub which does not work in high speed mode | 18:43 |
| jacekowski | as far as i know n900 can't do low speed mode | 18:43 |
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| Pali | if I choose full speed working fine | 18:44 |
| Pali | but musb driver write to dmesg: Forced hostmode error: a high-speed device attached but not high-speed mode selected | 18:44 |
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| Pali | detection comes from musb_virthub.c | 18:45 |
| Pali | it is bug in musb virhub code or some buggy usb hub? | 18:45 |
| Pali | speed of usb hub is detected by musb_readb(mbase, MUSB_POWER) | 18:46 |
| Pali | but speed detection of other usb devices (not hubs) is musb_procfs.c by function musb_ulpi_readb(mbase, ISP1704_DEBUG) | 18:47 |
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| kerio | did fmg fix cssu-thumb so it requires the kernel feature and not kernel-cssu? | 20:05 |
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| kerio | Pali: do you have the link to your KP51 post handy? | 20:18 |
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| Pali | kerio, from irclog: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1234313&postcount=445 | 20:19 |
| kerio | Pali: i don't have an irclog :c | 20:19 |
| Pali | kerio, see irc topic | 20:19 |
| Pali | here is link for live log :-) | 20:20 |
| kerio | yay | 20:20 |
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| kerio | hmm, why are we still on 2.6.28? | 20:22 |
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| kerio | Pali: anyway, i'm installing KP51 | 20:23 |
| kerio | but i'm not happy for it :C | 20:23 |
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| kerio | Pali: should i full backup before installing? | 20:24 |
| kerio | yeah, i should | 20:24 |
| psotnick | Hello | 20:25 |
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| psotnick | Does the maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh script work for you guys? Cause for me it hangs on "Setting up pulseaudio (0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5) ..." and segfaults | 20:29 |
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| kerio | hrmpf, my gcc has no stdio.h | 20:42 |
| kerio | that's annoying | 20:42 |
| kerio | what do i have to install? | 20:42 |
| kerio | is there a "build-essential" package like in debian? | 20:42 |
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| ShadowJK | I vaguely recall installing build-essential on my N800 | 20:43 |
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| kerio | oh god, i have 55MB free on my rootfs | 20:46 |
| kerio | that's bad D: | 20:46 |
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| kerio | Pali: i hope you're happy, now my dpkg is yelling at me :( | 20:49 |
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| kerio | he's unhappy too | 20:50 |
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| Scorpius | look at this picture: http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5078/5813702602_6687fd0882_b.jpg | 20:51 |
| kerio | meh, screw cleven | 20:51 |
| Scorpius | people say the guy is using AN IPHONE for the leveling of the ad | 20:51 |
| Scorpius | and that's VERY SAYD | 20:52 |
| Scorpius | SAD | 20:52 |
| ShadowJK | why is it orange | 20:52 |
| cehteh | lol | 20:52 |
| kerio | it's an orange bumper! | 20:52 |
| kerio | white like that, it's either an iphone or a galaxy 3s | 20:52 |
| Scorpius | it's an iPhone, isn't it | 20:52 |
| kerio | either way... | 20:52 |
| Scorpius | but it's not a Meego device... | 20:53 |
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| ShadowJK | Well, meego devices don't exist? :P | 20:54 |
| Scorpius | real Meego devices don't exist but I guess an N9 would have been enough for the job | 20:55 |
| kerio | nobody actually bought a N9 | 20:55 |
| kerio | a n900 would've been good enough | 20:55 |
| kerio | hm, sometimes i get minor graphical glitches | 20:55 |
| kerio | but they're in the loading of the theme, i think | 20:55 |
| kerio | wtf is that about? | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | I think few of #maemo bought N9 because of harmattan and missing keyboard? :P | 20:56 |
| Scorpius | what do you mean nobody actually bought a N9? | 20:56 |
| Scorpius | it is still being sold at stores here | 20:56 |
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| ShadowJK | But then analysts and such claim that N9 outsells/outsold lumia | 20:56 |
| kerio | Scorpius: 'twas a joke | 20:56 |
| kerio | because of harmattan and missing keyboard, as ShadowJK said | 20:56 |
| Scorpius | :S | 20:57 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: HAH, like that's something to be proud of | 20:57 |
| Scorpius | having a keyboard has a problem = weight | 20:57 |
| Scorpius | physical keyboard is nice | 20:57 |
| kerio | i think that my chest hair outsells lumia | 20:57 |
| Scorpius | but a heavy phone is not | 20:57 |
| kerio | and i'm not selling it | 20:57 |
| Scorpius | I'm still ok with the N900 | 20:57 |
| ShadowJK | Well N900 still fits better in pockets than like Samsung Note | 20:57 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 20:57 |
| japh | n950 isn't that heavy | 20:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: might be a bug in virthub | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since afaik it's not all that easy to detect highspeed mode, hw can only detect lowspeed and full/high | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | highspeed mode is weird | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I forgat 50% of the details meanwhile | 21:01 |
| psotnick | Can anyone here help me with installing meamo sdk? | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway highspeed devices should support fullspeed fallback mode | 21:02 |
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| Scorpius | psotnick, try asking the question directly | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask | 21:02 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 21:02 |
| Scorpius | against our will :) that's funny | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not really ;-P | 21:03 |
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| qwazix_ | why is it so convoluted to call cpp functions from qml, I'm always spending the first hour of creating a new project with this | 21:03 |
| Scorpius | then you should forget about QML and just code everything in Qt C++ | 21:04 |
| Scorpius | that's what I do anyway :P | 21:04 |
| qwazix_ | Nah, worse. And not portable to harmattan | 21:04 |
| Scorpius | oh well that's another thng. | 21:04 |
| Scorpius | thing | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: ECHAN? | 21:05 |
| psotnick | Ok, so I installed the scratchbox, added my user to the group etc and I ran maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh, it downloaded some stuff, and tried to install it, but hang on Setting up pulseaudio (0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5) ..., after about 30mins it caught signal 11. Maybe anyone knows what can be wrong? | 21:05 |
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| Scorpius | you installed the scratchbox? | 21:06 |
| Scorpius | the script does it all for you | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | anyone with an N9 on PR1.3? | 21:06 |
| Scorpius | including installing scratchbox | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | psotnick: 64bit system? | 21:06 |
| psotnick | Scorpius: in tutorial it says to install it(Ubuntu section, I'm using Arch) first, so I installed it | 21:07 |
| psotnick | DocScrutinizer05: 32 | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, actually Scorpius might be right too | 21:07 |
| Scorpius | did you run the script as root? | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psotnick: 32 is good | 21:07 |
| psotnick | Scorpius: it says on wiki that I should run it as user | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psotnick: you read the wiki howto? | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (there are several iirc) | 21:09 |
| Scorpius | I wonder what wiki you are reading. | 21:09 |
| Scorpius | Run the scratchbox installer with root permission specifying the username to be added to scratchbox users group and sbox group. | 21:09 |
| Scorpius | sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0beta2.sh –u USER | 21:09 |
| psotnick | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation | 21:09 |
| Scorpius | you typed exactly that? | 21:09 |
| psotnick | I'm following that | 21:09 |
| Scorpius | hmm | 21:10 |
| Scorpius | well | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Scorpius: your - is a ª | 21:10 |
| Scorpius | why didn't you try the GUI installer? | 21:11 |
| Scorpius | it's nicer | 21:11 |
| psotnick | I missed the '-u USER', I'll try to make it again | 21:11 |
| Scorpius | sudo ./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py <--- that's the GUI installer | 21:11 |
| Scorpius | the -u USER is for the beta you're installing the stable one | 21:11 |
| Scorpius | the wiki you're reading | 21:11 |
| Scorpius | the first section "Starting installation with GUI installer" | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the GUI installer is said to be broken | 21:11 |
| Scorpius | that's what I always use! | 21:11 |
| Scorpius | I actually have never tried the text based installation | 21:12 |
| psotnick | I prefer text based stuff | 21:12 |
| psotnick | It usually has more info about problems and stuff | 21:12 |
| Scorpius | your scratchbox is in /scratchbox ? | 21:12 |
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| Scorpius | the GUI has a big window with the log of everything it is doing | 21:12 |
| Scorpius | don't worry about that | 21:13 |
| Scorpius | also, remember that all package managers should be closed. Not apt-get running around somewhere or something like that | 21:13 |
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| Scorpius | the GUI installer installs everything for you (including scratchbox properly) | 21:13 |
| Scorpius | and it has never failed on me | 21:14 |
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| Scorpius | also... | 21:15 |
| Scorpius | I think the SDK only works in Debian based Linuxes, that is either Debian or Ubuntu | 21:15 |
| Scorpius | you said you're using Arch? | 21:15 |
| Scorpius | that could be a problem. | 21:15 |
| psotnick | Yes, but it worked for ppl on arch forum | 21:15 |
| Scorpius | I see. | 21:15 |
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| psotnick | Okay, I started GUI installer | 21:17 |
| Scorpius | as root right? the GUI installer must be as root. | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I installed and used it on Suse11.3 | 21:17 |
| psotnick | Let's see if it works | 21:18 |
| psotnick | Yes, as root | 21:18 |
| Scorpius | cool | 21:18 |
| psotnick | My connection is 2/1Mbps so I need to be patient :) | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | be aware you need room for a 4GB /scratchbox dir | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 5 | 21:19 |
| psotnick | I know, I've got something about 5 free | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in / | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NOT in /home | 21:20 |
| psotnick | I know | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since friggin scratchbox thinks it's smart to install to root | 21:20 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Hackers Steal Keyless BMW In Under 3 Minutes | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 21:21 |
| Sicelo | you got the weirdest of news : | 21:21 |
| Sicelo | link please | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably #reuters @ twitter | 21:21 |
| Scorpius | wow. | 21:22 |
| qwazix_ | DocScrutinizer, sorry wasn't looking. What does _ECHAN mean? | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wrong channel? | 21:23 |
| NIN101 | luckily you can move scratchbox later and symlink /scratchbox to that new path, at least. | 21:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: pseudo unix functioncall return code: -ECHAN | 21:24 |
| qwazix_ | oh, not really, I just wanted to tell someone my troubles... Now I fixed it. Back on topic | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems I get constant -EAGAIN | 21:25 |
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| qwazix_ | DocScrutinizer05 could you please take a minute to confirm or disprove a theory I have about resistive and multitouch? | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, shoot | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while I dig for my awesome stantum link | 21:27 |
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| qwazix_ | From what I've read a oversimplification of a standard resistive screen is a grid of "cables" let's say 840 on the x axis and 480 on y | 21:28 |
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| qwazix_ | when I touch point 120,100 current passes through "cable" no 120 on x | 21:29 |
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| qwazix_ | and 100 on y | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | harly matching analogy | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly* | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for stantum maybe | 21:29 |
| chem|st | I do not know why we need a non-profit entity | 21:29 |
| qwazix_ | what's wrong up to now? | 21:29 |
| chem|st | can someone explain? | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: you know a potentiometer, a resistive adjustable dial? | 21:30 |
| qwazix_ | I was just thinking that if I touch 2 points at the same time, we have 2x's and 2 y's so 4 possible touchpoints, so the resistive screen can't possibly know where I really touched | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the thing with a "carbon" ring and a moving "finger" contact sliding over it | 21:31 |
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| qwazix_ | yeap | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: there are no 'wires' | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a continuous plane | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a huge carbon film | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | with one contact wire at top and one at bottom | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | full length | 21:32 |
| qwazix_ | ok I think I understand, | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like a very wide linear potentiometer | 21:33 |
| qwazix_ | Impressive that it has so good accuracy... | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you place two of those 90° twisted over each other | 21:33 |
| qwazix_ | and you need only one value from the one and one from the other | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: well, some don't have that good accuracy, that's why you calibrate screens | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and software does the rest | 21:34 |
| qwazix_ | ok | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, one value X and one Y | 21:34 |
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| qwazix_ | I was playing with a craplet from china (70eur) which had a crap resistive which was btw multitouch, and I doubted it was stantum | 21:35 |
| qwazix_ | So I was trying to figure how it might work | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are several more sophisticated designs that sometimes even bring crappy botchy MT | 21:36 |
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| qwazix_ | And I thought, that maybe we can't know where the user touched, but we can narrow down the possible touchpoints to 4 (x1y1 x2y2 or x2y1 x1y2) | 21:37 |
| qwazix_ | enough for pinch and rotate. | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g when you touch two distant points, you short the distancy between tp1 and tp2 on X plane by Y plane, and vice versa. So both planes show reduced total resistivity depending on (amoung others) the distance of both touchpoints | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | iirr that's called "8-wire" though in fact it still has only 4 wires to connect | 21:39 |
| qwazix_ | aha, and how does pressure sensitivity fit in this? | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's also 5-wire, and whatnot else | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pressure reduces resistivity *between* the planes | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the more pressure the larger the touch area the lower the resistance from plane-X to plane-Y | 21:41 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why can't i just install gcc and have it work, at least for ansi/posix stuff? :( | 21:41 |
| kerio | Pali: i've been using kp51 for a good half an hour now, with the n900 in standby | 21:41 |
| kerio | and no problems | 21:41 |
| qwazix_ | so in reality it is area detection more than pressure, I suspected that | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: becuae I build a check for "user == kerio" into gcc | 21:42 |
| kerio | you have my green light for pushing it to -devel | 21:42 |
| qwazix_ | If you press lightly with a wide object it has the same effect as if you pressed hard with the stylus | 21:42 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, seriously, why is there no libc6-dev package for the n900? | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: yep, area | 21:42 |
| kerio | installing the maemo sdk on the n900 is a bad idea, right? | 21:42 |
| qwazix_ | thanks I think I'm a wiser man now, and I have a new list of wikipedia articles to read :) | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:43 |
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| Pali | kerio, ok | 21:46 |
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| Pali | now I fixed packet-injection.sh script and working fine | 21:46 |
| Pali | http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/kernel-power/packet-injection.sh | 21:46 |
| kerio | Pali: so that's the script that the next version of cleven should use? | 21:46 |
| Pali | $ ./packet-injection.sh load # load modules | 21:47 |
| Pali | $ ./packet-injection.sh unload # unload modules | 21:47 |
| kerio | btw, i had to uninstall the backported modules package | 21:47 |
| kerio | did you add a Conflict for those? | 21:47 |
| kerio | *Conflicts | 21:47 |
| Pali | $ ./packet-injection.sh enable # enable by default packet injection on startup | 21:47 |
| Pali | $ ./packet-injection.sh disable # disable autoloading packet injection modules on startup | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: (NPO) NFC. I guess another of estel's projects? | 21:48 |
| Pali | kerio, no, we update that backport* package | 21:48 |
| Pali | here is script for usb host mode for kp51 http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/kernel-power/usbmode.sh | 21:48 |
| kerio | oh, i guess it depended on KP50 | 21:48 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, see ^^^ | 21:48 |
| kerio | Pali: hm, pidof to check if a process is running? | 21:49 |
| Pali | kerio, yes | 21:49 |
| Pali | script will try to find correct usb speed | 21:50 |
| kerio | neat | 21:50 |
| kerio | wait, so HEN won't work now? | 21:50 |
| Pali | it use kp51 bq27x and bq24 drivers | 21:50 |
| Pali | kerio, hen working fine | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: hey nifty brightness handling :-) | 21:50 |
| Pali | kerio, it stop working if you load bq drivers | 21:50 |
| kerio | oic | 21:51 |
| Pali | yes, brightness, bme event.d is stupid it do echo 0 > ... | 21:51 |
| kerio | well, the bq drivers aren't really ready for primetime as of now, right? | 21:51 |
| Pali | bq drivers are blacklisted | 21:51 |
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| Pali | they working | 21:51 |
| Pali | but BME must be stopped | 21:51 |
| kerio | i agree | 21:52 |
| kerio | BME must be stopped! | 21:52 |
| Pali | I'm going offline now... scripts are uploaded, you can play with them :-) | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you probably want use start/stop -q | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or >/dev/null | 21:53 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, ok | 21:53 |
| Pali | bye | 21:53 |
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| kerio | hold on, why do i want to use the hostmode script that loads the bq drivers again? | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | becuase you're 1337 | 21:54 |
| kerio | i'm really not :( | 21:55 |
| kerio | my F-F adapter isn't even here yet | 21:55 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how would charging while usbhost work? | 21:55 |
| kerio | i mean, how do you connect the wallcharger? to what? | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check ~hostmode-charging | 21:56 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge.sh.txt is a 404 | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaaw | 21:59 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: so you just use one of those adapters for extra power backwards, pretty much | 21:59 |
| kerio | that's neat | 21:59 |
| kerio | somewhere, one of the engineers that worked on the USB standard is in a corner, crying | 22:00 |
| storm900 | hello every1 | 22:01 |
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| storm900 | got a broken n900 usb port and I`m in need of a bit of help | 22:01 |
| kerio | ~usbfix | 22:01 |
| infobot | usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 22:01 |
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| kerio | bad ports, bad ports | 22:02 |
| kerio | whatcha gonna do | 22:02 |
| kerio | whatcha gonna do when they stop you from charging your n900 | 22:02 |
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| kerio | storm900: does it kinda sorta work if you push down on the plug? | 22:03 |
| kerio | or something like that | 22:03 |
| kerio | if so, then stop using the port, but you might be able to fix it kinda easily | 22:03 |
| storm900 | nah, past the point | 22:03 |
| kerio | call a priest then | 22:04 |
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| storm900 | hehe | 22:04 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, one of the links in ~usbfix talks about epoxy :c | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you think the "never use epoxy" been a random text block that sneaked in? | 22:10 |
| kerio | yeah but they're still linked | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | several wide people think it's futile | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wise* | 22:11 |
| kerio | hehe | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a) elastic, b) cloggs receptacle, c) never rework again d) only sticks to green varnish, to what does green varnish stick? | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SOLDER THE CRITTER, MAN! | 22:12 |
| kerio | and now, for something completely different: does backupmenu2 work on pr1.2? | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | car manufacturers used welding since ~15 yeras ago. now they use very special glue sometimes, but you're not the car industry | 22:14 |
| kerio | and can i use it to mirror my n900's installation on a n900 with a broken usb port? | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/since/until | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and yes | 22:14 |
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| kerio | storm900: well, you still have the last resort fix | 22:17 |
| kerio | the pins below the battery | 22:17 |
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| storm900 | can i connect to them without the battery plugged in to test the device turning on? | 22:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | storm900: what you want to do? | 22:20 |
| psotnick | GUI installer isn't working either | 22:20 |
| storm900 | see if i can bring this n900 back to life | 22:21 |
| storm900 | the usb port is broken and the service guy said it can`t be fixed, he tried | 22:21 |
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| kerio | your service guy sucks | 22:22 |
| kerio | it's a matter of soldering a new usb port | 22:23 |
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| kerio | the last resort is if you seriously MAIM the original usb port | 22:27 |
| storm900 | yeah just got off the phone with him, said the device is fine but he can not solder a port on and also had no ideea about the last resort fix | 22:29 |
| storm900 | so i guess I have to open this phone up | 22:29 |
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| kerio | hm, where's Pali? | 22:39 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "upgrading" the package for modules is bullshit | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh??? | 22:42 |
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| teotwaki__ | I've seen some weird shit in my day | 22:45 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: kernel-power-modules for kp51 is an upgrade for the same package for kp50 | 22:45 |
| kerio | that means that you lose the kp50 modules when you install the kp51 ones | 22:45 |
| kerio | *while you're running kp50* | 22:45 |
| teotwaki__ | But fuck me, a function that just "stops" being executed, with no "return" anywhere near where it stops is ridiculously high on that list. | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: so what? you just can't load new modules then | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until you also flashed kernel and then reboot | 22:46 |
| kerio | it sounds un-neat | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's an atomic transaction: kernel, kernel-flasher, kernel-modules | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +boot | 22:46 |
| kerio | except that it should also include reboot, and you can't atomically reboot | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, any user wondering why running acme-shit goes boom after he upgraded kernel and ignored the "you MUST reboot now" msg, can go lost | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, the correct way would be to boot to an auxiliary system, a so called rescue-system that has own / own kernel and all, then mount the main system and do the updates there | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously no option for N900 | 22:49 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: or have the modules as a separate package | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bs, won't fit on / | 22:50 |
| kerio | meh, the nokia packaging is stupid | 22:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification | 22:51 |
| infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough lennart now propagates this all is nonsense and we don't need /usr anymore | 22:53 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: heh | 22:53 |
| kerio | anyway, what do we need to mount eMMC at boot time? | 22:53 |
| kerio | i mean, as early as the root | 22:53 |
| kerio | i mean, /usr can't be put on the emmc partition because pulseaudio and other stuff is there, and they're required during boot | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically a kernel with mmc driver built in | 22:54 |
| kerio | but why can't we mount it before anything else happens? | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first of all | 22:54 |
| kerio | i see | 22:54 |
| kerio | and it doesn't fit? | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't you think when there are problems withj PA in /usr then it's an indication there's sth wrong with PA rather than /usr? | 22:55 |
| kerio | well of course | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 | 22:55 |
| kerio | requiring a sound system for the boot process of a unix system is something out of a horror movie | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | distro maintainer has to take care all the stuff needed during early boot has to be in /(s)bin, *NOT* in /usr/* | 22:56 |
| kerio | yeah, we've been through this multiple times | 22:57 |
| kerio | it always ends in "fuckin' nokia" | 22:57 |
| kerio | and sadness | 22:57 |
| kerio | the thing is, pulseaudio *should* be in /usr/ | 22:57 |
| kerio | because it's a fucking audio daemon | 22:57 |
| kerio | you don't need audio to boot | 22:57 |
| kerio | but no, nokia needs the stupid shaking hands animation to have sound | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | say "thanks you Nokia, for shaking-hands-bootvideo" | 22:58 |
| kerio | ...does the date picker appear before emmc is mounted? | 22:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, prolly not | 22:58 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, it's called hildon-welcome-default-logo | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:59 |
| kerio | i'm not even sure if hildon-welcome is actually needed | 22:59 |
| kerio | anyway, it doesn't do much without any entry | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hildon-welcome probably is datepicker | 22:59 |
| kerio | (i removed default logo because fuck that noise) | 22:59 |
| kerio | hm, good point | 22:59 |
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| kerio | wtf, kernel-power-config doesn't work | 23:18 |
| kerio | oh nvm, there was no default configuration saved | 23:19 |
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| storm900 | aaaah getting a bit excited | 23:30 |
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| storm900 | i i kinda twisted the usb port and the yellow light turned on, took it out and now I need my mind set straight, all I should need to do now is solder the usb port down to reinforce it, right? | 23:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | In principle, yes, if the board has not been damaged and ripped pads off. | 23:38 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: well, he managed to establish a flaky connection | 23:42 |
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| vi_ | thanks you Nokia, for shaking-hands-bootvideo | 23:48 |
| kerio | goddammit it's called hildon-welcome-default-logo | 23:49 |
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| vi_ | kerio: you can get rid of 5 dots progress thing too. | 23:50 |
| vi_ | kerio: in fact, you can even put xterm there, | 23:50 |
| vi_ | . | 23:50 |
| vi_ | xeyes. | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It's all doing lots of things in parallel | 23:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | At the points of hands - it's doing lots of IO | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | and it's really IO limited | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | playing a small video at that point does not really delay the point at which the system is fully up | 23:51 |
| vi_ | SpeedyGhost: hands video was the first to go. | 23:51 |
| vi_ | SpeedEvil: hands video was the first to go. | 23:51 |
| vi_ | SpeedEvil: 5 dots next | 23:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | It would in principle be interesting to time the device in both cases | 23:52 |
| vi_ | just do not need that worthless shit to boot. | 23:52 |
| vi_ | SpeedEvil: I agree. | 23:52 |
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| vi_ | In fact if you wanted to go hardcore you could get rid of openbox+pin request+'offline mode' dialogue. | 23:55 |
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