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| Zucca | Oh. | 00:11 |
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| Zucca | Great. | 00:12 |
| Zucca | Not flashing N900 today then... | 00:12 |
| Zucca | Error 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION): Multiple Content-Disposition headers received. This is disallowed to protect against HTTP response splitting attacks. | 00:13 |
| Zucca | Thanks Nokia. \o/ | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks chromium | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: use a decent browser ;-P | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF? | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: fix your away msg! it's absolutely deprecated | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: and while you're at it, maybe your IRC client is as weird as your browser: " [CTCP] CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von Zucca empfangen: What? CLIENTINFO for available commands.." | 00:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: you might want to tell chrome devels on #chromium-support (esp the author of the post) that >> Comment 5 by willchan@chromium.org, Nov 14, 2011 Marking as WontFix because it is working as intended. You should fix the header field in your server.<< is *very* bad style, arrogant, and won't fly anyway. Mr Willchan nor any other Chrome devel will force the internet at large to fix their headers, nor will chrome users appreciate this | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | policy in chrome. | 00:54 |
| r00t|home | <DocScrutinizer> Zucca: fix your away msg! it's absolutely deprecated | 00:55 |
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| r00t|home | the message did not appear in the channel... a notice is appropriate i'd say | 00:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope it's not | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | no mater what, the CTCP answer is BS anyway | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: a [notice} might be appropriate in /query, but not for highlighting him in channel | 00:58 |
| r00t|home | i'd say, when you try to talk to him, it's not completely inapproriate to send you a response | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: basically virtually all automatic response to any channel action is deprecated | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | no matter whether it's a notice, a replay (msg to chan) a /query, whatever | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | reply* | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's btw the reason why bots aren't allowed per se, but only when approved by chanop or owner | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the only action where a client is supposed to auto-answer is CTCP, and that is fsckdup too for Zucca's client | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: btw it might be just due to +C chanmode that this notice didn't show up in channel | 01:18 |
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| r00t|home | Zucca: test | 01:23 |
| r00t|home | >> :Zucca!zucca@dsl-hkibrasgw4-fe54df00-80.dhcp.inet.fi NOTICE r00t|home :Sorry. I'm away. Since: 2012/05/03 0:32:07 Reason: "Away - Sleep" | 01:24 |
| r00t|home | not sent to channel | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, thanks to the design and purpose of +C you don't see any notice sent to channel, so you have no way to tell if this client has sent a channel wide notice or not | 01:31 |
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| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: i tried on another channel... in the irc protocol message you can see who was the target of the notice | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you won't see anything like that in *your* protocol | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | really, I don't wanna waste lots of time in investigating _how_ terribly broken this IRC client actually is | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | the fact it is sending me a [notice] on me highlighting the user in chan, _plus_ the user showing in my chan user list as "Zucca (CTCP USERINFO might tell more.)" where the (value) should be realname rather than a stupid info about non.standard CTCP interface... That's just enought to ask Zucca to goddamn fix that | 01:39 |
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| * DocScrutinizer glares at "trumee (Got ZNC?)", "venusaur (<see for yourself!>)", "speedevil (purple)", PeterWolf(purple)", ghjstdfdgf(hdgsfdgdhg), and of course at all *(unknown) and *(user) | 01:46 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | the special punchline in all this is: Zucca complained about a stupid intolerant reaction of his chrome browser to a not-exactly-standard HTML header sent by Nokia server, while his own IRC client obviously doesn't comply to (de facto?) CTCP standard | 01:53 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: you have to admint though that ctcp isn't exactly part of the irc standard, it's somwhat of an extension | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I see that of 280 users, exactly one has such a bogus "realname" msg | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and you can think 700 rather than 280, as I've never seen this on any of the other channels | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it being an extension doesn't mean you are supposed to do with it whatever you think is hip | 02:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E. implement your very own proprietary idea of CTCP | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-03 01:10:14] [CTCP] Sende CTCP-VERSION-Anfrage an merlin1991. | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-03 01:10:14] [CTCP] CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von merlin1991 empfangen: Quassel IRC v0.6.3 (dist-de4dd62) (built on Oct 19 2011 21:33:07) -- http://www.quassel-irc.org. | 02:10 |
| merlin1991 | looks fine to me | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-03 01:11:14] [CTCP] Sende CTCP-VERSION-Anfrage an Zucca. | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-03 01:11:14] [Abwesend] Zucca ist abwesend: Away - Sleep | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-03 01:11:15] [CTCP] CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von Zucca empfangen: What? CLIENTINFO for available commands.. | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks like an asshat irc client developer's idea to me | 02:12 |
| merlin1991 | hm I'd like to see the ctcp rfc | 02:13 |
| merlin1991 | I think CLIENTINFO is part of it | 02:13 |
| merlin1991 | (and my client doesn't support it) | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever the rfc says, I'm damn sure there's no "What? CLIENTINFO for available commands.." | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and definitely no "CTCP USERINFO might tell more" | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: your client is free to ignore CTCP queries at your discretion. It's NOT supposed to answer BS to well known defacto standard CTCP queries | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-03 01:22:02] [CTCP] CTCP-CLIENTVERSION-Antwort von Zucca empfangen: irssi ver. 0.8.15 on zelan.zapto.org. | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0.8.15 yeah suuuure | 02:22 |
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| merlin1991 | well 0.8.15 is out already | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: sounded like a hoax to me, 08-15 | 02:24 |
| merlin1991 | that's a german thing ;) | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway it seems to me there are more irssi users, and none of them is answering with "CTCP USERINFO might tell more" to my client's realname inquiry | 02:25 |
| merlin1991 | I wonder if that behaviour is a new clusterfuck introduced with 0.8.15 | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | quite in line with new clusterfuck "Error 349" in chrome, which Zucca suffers from as well | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems he got a truly poettering distro installed | 02:28 |
| merlin1991 | totally ot, but do you know a pop3 to imap "bridge" ? | 02:28 |
| merlin1991 | I'm tired of | 02:28 |
| merlin1991 | err | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, webservice? | 02:28 |
| merlin1991 | I'd prefer to run my own on my server :) | 02:28 |
| merlin1991 | so I was wondering if you have a tool name at hand :) | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, my server answers both imap and pop3, but I admit it doesn't work nicely | 02:29 |
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| merlin1991 | my idea is to have my server poll several pop3 accounts over the net from myself and offer the accumulated mails over imap | 02:30 |
| merlin1991 | that's what I'd like to have ultimately .) | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | the one of both locks maildir et al on my one client checking mail, and that causes the other one fail during the next 5 or 10 minutes, til that lock times out | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah. well, nope. Nothing at hand right away. I'd think you can configure sendmail or any of the other MTA's to do exactly that | 02:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/04/01/nokia-ice-the-new-super-cool-phone/ - I hadn't seen :) | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: apropos cyrus | 02:40 |
| merlin1991 | hm? | 02:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: man cyrus-master | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess you'll find what you're looking for there | 02:43 |
| merlin1991 | duh the homepage suggests it is scaleable to large enterprises aka insanely hard to configure :D | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, sounds like my "sysadmin" who worked for a internet provider and now does admin at BA-systemhaus | 02:46 |
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| Kilroo | This is getting moderately old. I think I'll go start dinner before I take my next crack at breaking this reboot loop. | 03:39 |
| Kilroo | In other news, how the heck did the design factor of the BT8010 not catch on better. | 03:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Kilroo: you lost me on the last one | 04:04 |
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| Kilroo | Jabra BT8010 headset. I laundered mine by accident, and looking for a replacement brought me to the realization that it's out of production and nobody seems to be selling anything similar. | 04:18 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 04:18 |
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| Kilroo | And still in a reboot loop, darn it | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-JABRA-STONE-BLUETOOTH-STEREO-HEADSET-BT8040-BT8010-/320546938595?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item4aa2161ee3 | 04:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cool headset indeed | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kilroo: what did cause the loop? | 04:32 |
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| lolcat | When I get rich | 04:36 |
| lolcat | I will reverse engineer N900 | 04:36 |
| lolcat | And come out with a new N900S | 04:36 |
| lolcat | It would be excatly the same as N900 outside | 04:36 |
| lolcat | But on the inside it would be more awesome | 04:36 |
| lolcat | and based on sid so it is always recent | 04:36 |
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| Kilroo | DocScrutinizer: The first time, trying to get u-boot/bootmenu + NITDroid working. The second time, flashing back to stock and restoring my backupmenu backup from before the first attempt. | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 04:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when was the BN-backup done? before or after installing u-boot and/or nitdroid? | 04:49 |
| Kilroo | Before. | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's *rather* starnge then | 04:50 |
| Kilroo | Well, one thing I read did make me a little worried that the problem might be because it was also before I resized my partitions...but... | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 04:51 |
| Kilroo | Oh, that would do it? | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you reflashed both or only rootfs? | 04:52 |
| Kilroo | Well, first I tried only kernel. Then kernel and rootfs. | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | how exactly did you resize | 04:52 |
| Kilroo | gparted from my desktop. | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, what was the resulting change? | 04:53 |
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| Kilroo | Oh. 21 and 8. | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no change in fs type, or sequence? | 04:53 |
| Kilroo | No. | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should work | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you are using recent BM? | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. not the deprecated v-1 | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | as of ~1 year ago | 04:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, if I should guess, I'd suspect your kernel modules don't match the kernel, after restoring BM-backup. /lib/modules/current -> ./2.6.28-omap1 | 04:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you might check your BM .tgz content for that | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | but maybe your problem is with bootmenu in /etc | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might take care to move away any file /bootmenu.sh after restore and before reboot | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. don't restore /lib/modules/* and /bootmenu.sh on a fresh reflash, and there shouldn't probably be any bootloop | 05:04 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: dox! | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | no dox here, no caz either | 05:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders how to repartition a standard N900 OS to 8G /home via PC's gparted | 05:12 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | wouldn't even get exported to PC | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd need raw eMMC exported to repartition it | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is a bit, err, hard to do | 05:13 |
| Kilroo | ...Er, what? | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you already use backupmenu or similar | 05:14 |
| Kilroo | Right. I installed backupmenu, made backups, used mass storage mode to allow gparted to repartition | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think BM can export /dev/mmcblk0 | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | while usually you export /dev/mmcblk0p1 via mass storage | 05:15 |
| Kilroo | Then I tried to effect the correct combination of http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=73.0 and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, multiboot | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 05:16 |
| Kilroo | and failed horribly. | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~multiboot | 05:17 |
| infobot | multiboot is probably http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/ | 05:17 |
| Kilroo | Fuck multiboot, I refuse to go back to it. | 05:17 |
| Kilroo | ...Well, so far. | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot | 05:17 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't get it why your system bootloops when you restore a 'clean' maemo5 backup on a clean fresh maemo5 | 05:18 |
| Kilroo | Neither do I, yet. | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I still suspect <see above> | 05:19 |
| Kilroo | The idea of blaming multiboot is somewhat appealing. | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you either did backup while already powerkernel or uboot or multiboot installed | 05:19 |
| Kilroo | Okay, see, now, if you could point me to where I should have found it clearly indicated that would screw it up, I'd greatly appreciate it. | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you did some special manual tweaks to your initscripts et al, to accomodate your new partitioning | 05:20 |
| Kilroo | Because that was not one of the many CAUTIONS I found before I started. | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, the nitdroid guys seem reluctant to mention their multiboot abomination frequently breaks stuff, esp in combination with non-standard kernels (where uBoot counts as kernel too) | 05:23 |
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| Kilroo | Well, in this case multiboot had ridden along with powerkernel 49, not nitdroid, but the fact remains that if there was anything that mentioned that added complications to using backupmenu I missed it. | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | as a matter of fact, I've not yet heard of a single user who claimed he usually uses nitdroid and only rarely boots to maemo | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nonono | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | multiboot is completely unrelated to powerkernel | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | powerkernel comes with uBoot, not multiboot | 05:25 |
| Kilroo | In that case I suppose it's possible that I got confused at some point, but I assure you, I only had multiboot installed in order to use powerkernel | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and BM is just fine, it's basing on bootmenu which is still a 3rd class of "tool", though aiui multiboot also messes with bootmenu | 05:27 |
| Kilroo | And I could just about swear that the last time I was setting it up I was irritated that I couldn't find any clear instructions on how to get kernel-power to play nicely with u-boot instead of multiboot, but regardless, it was there. | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | look, multiboot is really literally reflashing each time you change the kernel you want to boot up | 05:28 |
| Kilroo | I know. | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | it of course can handle powerkernel as well | 05:29 |
| Kilroo | As evidenced by the fact that it was. | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | but this for sure isn't the prefered/suggested method, at least not by powerkernel devels | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | now I bet your kenrel modules of backup didn't match stock kernel | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | so after restoring those, you ran into bootloop | 05:30 |
| Kilroo | As I noticed when I looked up the latest on it the other day, after having not messed with it other than to allow automatic updates since (I think) 47 or possibly 46 | 05:31 |
| Kilroo | But now that I know that's the problem, I can most likely fix it. I have to get back on PK before I restore the backup. | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel update will most surely cause bootloop with multiboot | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 05:32 |
| Kilroo | The question is, do I have to get back specifically on 49, or will 50 work. Or am I totally screwed. | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | you for sure have to use same kernel version | 05:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 50 won't work | 05:33 |
| Kilroo | Ok. That's what I thought, but since getting 49 reinstalled is at least slightly more work, I figured I'd check. | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess just flashing KP49 will stop your bootloop | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | though, OTOH you still have a multiboot infested system then, and probably need to reflash anyway to get a clean restart | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I'd rather suggest flashing stock, then restore *without* /lib/modules and without /etc/*boot* | 05:36 |
| Kilroo | O...kay...if you're right about that, that's even more retarded than I thought multiboot was... | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | and without /bootmenu.sh | 05:36 |
| Kilroo | I was under the impression that if you multibooted to the stock kernel and then uninstalled multiboot, it would in fact actually be gone. | 05:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I never touched multiboot, so I can't tell for sure | 05:38 |
| Kilroo | I guess I'll find out. | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I however know that no user ever succeeded to recover from multiboot caused boot problems the 'easy' way. Always involved reflash | 05:39 |
| Kilroo | I was about to contradict that, but technically I guess all the boot problems from which I recovered easily using multiboot weren't exactly caused by multiboot. | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 05:40 |
| Kilroo | They were caused by those meditating gurus. | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | good luck anyway | 05:41 |
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| Kilroo | Much appreciated | 05:41 |
| Kilroo | later | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 05:41 |
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| arquebus | is it possible to install maemo on android devices? I imagine the drivers are all closed source so its impossible | 08:48 |
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| dm8tbr | arquebus: if you go a few evolution steps further you'll arrive at: Mer, Nemo-mobile and Plasma-Active | 08:52 |
| arquebus | dm8tbr: ok, I'll look those up | 08:53 |
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| RST38h | LSD - Linux System Definition | 11:14 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:19 |
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| merlin_1991 | Morning Jaffa :) | 11:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 12:29 |
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| Psi_ | any reason why my n900 has started downloading lots of 3G data as soon as i connect the 3G | 13:02 |
| Psi_ | it never used to do that | 13:02 |
| joga | how much data? | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I would say 'updating to PR1.4 | 13:03 |
| joga | maybe checking updates or such? | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | But that seems slightly unlikely | 13:03 |
| Psi_ | well it used 12MB in around 20 seconds before i killed it | 13:03 |
| Psi_ | i only get 10MB free per day | 13:03 |
| Psi_ | i have 3G set to manual, so i connect it whenever i want 3G access | 13:03 |
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| Psi_ | ill probably try running iftop tomorrow and connect 3G, that should atleast show where the data is going and in what direction | 13:04 |
| SpeedEvil | does it do the same on wifi? | 13:05 |
| Psi_ | yeah, im just checking that now | 13:05 |
| Psi_ | nope, right now its not using anything over wifi except my ssh session | 13:07 |
| Psi_ | seems to only effect 3G | 13:07 |
| SpeedEvil | odd | 13:08 |
| Psi_ | will have to wait until tomorrow to check 3G or its going to cost $1 per MB | 13:08 |
| Psi_ | your not aware of any n900 viruses are you? | 13:09 |
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| Psi_ | or keylogging etc | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | nope | 13:10 |
| Psi_ | ill post in here if it turns out to be anything dodgy | 13:10 |
| Sicelo | N900 always re-downloads the full package list .. so 12MB wouldn't be too strange. That's one of the reasons I 'disabled' it | 13:10 |
| Psi_ | just did an apt-get update, it only downloaded 151KB over wifi | 13:12 |
| SpeedEvil | It's the catalogs | 13:12 |
| Sicelo | Psi_: you have devel? | 13:12 |
| Psi_ | dont think so | 13:12 |
| * Psi_ looks | 13:13 | |
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| Sicelo | iirc downloads not less that 8MB for me, with devel enabled | 13:14 |
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| Psi_ | yep, i have devel enabled | 13:16 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, then something must be wrong with mine :/ | 13:22 |
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| Sicelo | Psi_: http://pastebin.com/fVakS1VE | 13:46 |
| Psi_ | how do i force it to redowmload | 13:49 |
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| Sicelo | a second apt-get update didn't download anything. so i suppose that i get very big downloads because i do them after a long time :/ | 13:51 |
| Psi_ | yeah mine isnt getting either | 13:52 |
| Psi_ | http://pastebin.com/NPE64162 | 13:52 |
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| lardman|home | http://www.itvoir.com/portal/news/News/Nokia-to-launch-hybrid-tablets-later-this-year-20-013.asp | 14:06 |
| lardman|home | hmm, I wonder | 14:06 |
| lardman|home | Qualcomm though | 14:06 |
| lardman|home | hmm, interesting: https://gitorious.org/freedreno/ | 14:09 |
| lardman|home | written by a chap working for Ti, lol | 14:09 |
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| chem|st | lardman|home: win8... | 14:42 |
| chem|st | nogo | 14:42 |
| chem|st | Sicelo: clean the caches | 14:43 |
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| lardman|home | chem|st: yeah but I can't imagine some budding ex-Maemo Nokian wouldn't find a way to run something else on it... | 14:44 |
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| Sicelo | chem|st: not sure i get you :/ | 14:49 |
| lardman|home | Well it will be made by Nokia, so surely there is a way and probably a will | 14:50 |
| lardman|home | i.e. a platform on which to develop disruptive technologies, but still allowing it to be sold under the corporate masterplan | 14:51 |
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| chem|st | lardman|home: abandone all hope! | 14:53 |
| lardman|home | now there's some optimism! | 14:54 |
| lardman|home | ;) | 14:54 |
| chem|st | Sicelo: in HAM remove repositories - update - add repositories - update | 14:58 |
| chem|st | lardman|home: truthful optimism | 14:58 |
| chem|st | nokia would increase lumia 900 sales by 200% if swapping winmo with bleeding edge maemo | 14:59 |
| chem|st | nokia would increase smartphone market share if distribution and platform-reliability of n9 had a base | 15:00 |
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| lardman|home | yeah :( | 15:01 |
| chem|st | a nokia tab with win8 wont challenge iPads in any way... with maemo it would | 15:01 |
| lardman|home | yeah but the Windows route is already committed to | 15:02 |
| lardman|home | though Nokia is known for sudden changes of direction ;) | 15:02 |
| chem|st | and is already known to fail | 15:02 |
| chem|st | retailers refuse to sell windows shit so do carriers, all over the world and especially in asia | 15:03 |
| lardman|home | got to go, meeting | 15:04 |
| lardman|home | bbiab | 15:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi chem|st | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi lardman | 16:28 |
| lardman | hi Doc | 16:28 |
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| chem|st | o/ | 16:38 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: n900s at rebuy for 160 is still tempting^^ | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, used ones in "perfect condition" are more like 100..120 EUR | 16:41 |
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| lardman | Anyone know about Broadcom GPS chipsets? | 16:44 |
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| lardman | namely, do they have firmware loaded in order to implement a comms protocol, or is there some standard method they use? | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, doesn't N9 use broadcom? | 16:44 |
| lardman | yeah | 16:45 |
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| peetah | Hi all, is Modest able to use a proxy ? I can't find any item to configure to achieve this. | 17:16 |
| peetah | BTW I use CSSU Testing | 17:16 |
| peetah | if it makes any difference | 17:16 |
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| chem|st | peetah: network settings for global setup | 17:25 |
| peetah | chem|st: so it's all through proxy or nothing ? | 17:25 |
| chem|st | afaik | 17:25 |
| peetah | ok thanks chem|st | 17:26 |
| chem|st | never checked if there are any options available "by hand" | 17:26 |
| chem|st | lmc | 17:27 |
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| chem|st | there are settings available in /system/proxy that are different from http_proxy | 17:32 |
| chem|st | all I can tell... no settings specific for modest itself | 17:33 |
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| peetah | /system/proxy is a gconf path ? | 17:35 |
| chem|st | yes | 17:35 |
| chem|st | and /system/http_proxy gets set by network settings afaics | 17:36 |
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| chem|st | has anyone experience with 32GB sd cards in n900? thinking about a samsung one 16 or 32 class 10... | 17:58 |
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| _berto_ | chem|st: I have a 32GB micro SD | 18:02 |
| _berto_ | never had any problems with it | 18:02 |
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| Pali | chem|st, I have samsung 32GB class 10, no problems | 18:06 |
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| chem|st | Pali: thanks | 18:20 |
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| akki | is there any one can help me....plzzzzzzz | 19:09 |
| BiggAl | with? | 19:09 |
| akki | my n900 | 19:09 |
| akki | ? | 19:10 |
| BiggAl | there are many things that you could need our help with relating to the n900 | 19:10 |
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| BiggAl | many many things | 19:10 |
| BiggAl | what's your problem? | 19:10 |
| akki | i don't know what happened to my cell the sim is inside but its showing a sim with a red cross line on it | 19:11 |
| akki | :( | 19:11 |
| BiggAl | try taking it out, wiping it with a dry wet cloth (preferably cotton) and placing it back in | 19:12 |
| BiggAl | what did you do shortly before this started to occur? | 19:12 |
| BiggAl | s/dry wet/soft dry/ | 19:12 |
| * BiggAl has brain fade this afternoon | 19:13 | |
| lokimotive | how safe is it to run the testing cssu on the n900? | 19:13 |
| akki | the main software gone crash | 19:13 |
| akki | i don't know anythng about this OS so plzzz help me out | 19:14 |
| BiggAl | kaki what do you mean? the operating system locked up? What did you do to cause that? | 19:14 |
| BiggAl | s/kaki/akki/ | 19:14 |
| infobot | BiggAl meant: akki what do you mean? the operating system locked up? What did you do to cause that? | 19:14 |
| akki | i just try to extra-devel respositry after that the its all start | 19:15 |
| BiggAl | what did you install? | 19:17 |
| akki | nathing | 19:17 |
| BiggAl | or upgrade | 19:17 |
| akki | no | 19:17 |
| akki | :( | 19:17 |
| BiggAl | well you must have done something - adding extra-devel makes new stuff available but it doesn't do anything else | 19:18 |
| BiggAl | I mean when you say "the main software gone crash" what do you mean? | 19:20 |
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| akki | natthng is working in cell even i cn't be able to make a call | 19:20 |
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| BiggAl | wtf? | 19:22 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | would the emmc work as a external sd card | 19:33 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | electrically | 19:34 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | obviously it wont fit | 19:34 |
| peterbjornx_n900 | but is the interface compatible | 19:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Electrically - possibly, yes. | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | it will not - as I understand it - work as an SD card. | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | It will work as a MMC card - I think - which some SD stuff is backwards compatible with | 19:39 |
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| peterbjornx | is there any memory map for the n900 | 20:34 |
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| wmarone | memory map? | 20:49 |
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| peterbjornx | physical address space map | 20:50 |
| peterbjornx | Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.4ss | 20:50 |
| peterbjornx | hmm | 20:50 |
| peterbjornx | so XLOADER isnt nokia at all :O | 20:50 |
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| peterbjornx | NOLO X-Loader (v1.4.14, Apr 22 2010), looks related | 20:51 |
| peterbjornx | doesnt it | 20:51 |
| wmarone | no idea what the differences are, NOLO sources aren't available | 20:52 |
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| wmarone | moot though, as it's signed IIRC | 20:52 |
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| peterbjornx | moot? | 20:53 |
| peterbjornx | still | 20:54 |
| peterbjornx | this looks like x-loader is actually a TI program | 20:54 |
| peterbjornx | which i have the source for | 20:55 |
| peterbjornx | http://lukejin.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/beagleboard-xm-research1-initialization-x-load/ | 20:55 |
| peterbjornx | thats about beagle board | 20:55 |
| peterbjornx | which uses the same SoC | 20:55 |
| wmarone | yes | 20:55 |
| wmarone | moot as in no point in investigating further | 20:56 |
| wmarone | the N900 will not interact with an x-loader other than the signed build of NOLO it comes with | 20:56 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/03/epo_wipo_cooperation/ <-- no no no | 20:57 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Goldman Sachs, the bank described as a "giant vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity", is looking for a social media community manager. The role of the job, as the title suggests, will be to "foster a positive community" | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | wmarone, in that context, are you aware of what SMC call functions are available on n900? Is it the standard omap35xx set? | 21:00 |
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| jaska | a goebbels | 21:02 |
| peterbjornx | haha | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: (X-loader) yes, x-loader is a very simple program originally published by TI I'd guess, the source is somewhat public, and as wmarone already noticed it's signed and has to be signed for making it work, and thus it's really highly useless to dig into it | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: awesome - sounds like my dream job description | 21:35 |
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| peterbjornx | secondary is signed too? | 21:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: on N900 nope | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | on N9 basically yes | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | in the above URL you have to think "NOLO" when they write "uBoot" | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while actually jacekowski claimed that xloader+NOLO are a monolitic block on N900 | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | AIUI | 21:42 |
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| peterbjornx | so in theory one could flash uboot to secondary? | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski told there's a format known by ROMBL that allows loading larger code than the internal SRAM | 21:45 |
| * chem|st got spare GBs again | 21:45 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: in theory you can replace NOLO by uBoot, yes | 21:46 |
| peterbjornx | so what the hell is NOLO doing at boot | 21:46 |
| peterbjornx | it does some sort of memclr | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's doing what all bootloaders do | 21:46 |
| peterbjornx | RAM:80008010 __entry ; CODE XREF: RAM:80008000j | 21:46 |
| peterbjornx | RAM:80008010 LDR SP, =__stack_base | 21:46 |
| peterbjornx | RAM:80008014 BL _clear_some_ram | 21:46 |
| peterbjornx | RAM:80008018 B _jump_to_80400241 | 21:46 |
| peterbjornx | or isnt the load address for secondary 80008000 | 21:47 |
| peterbjornx | else, whats at 80400241 | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | initialize RAM (interface, power, clocks...), it sets up power supply for whole system, it cranks up display to a rudimentary functional state, it checks battery, it configures CPU clocks... | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh, and btw NOLO does all flashing | 21:49 |
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| peterbjornx | yes | 21:49 |
| peterbjornx | but at what address is nolo loaded | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>In the case of a u-boot stored in NAND, the x-loader expects the u-boot to be located at the 5th sector (offset 0x00800000). It transfers the image from NAND into main memory and transfers control to it. In the case of a u-boot stored in eMMC, the x-loader expects the u-boot to be located at the offset 0x200.<< | 21:53 |
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| peterbjornx | STORED AT | 21:58 |
| peterbjornx | not executed at | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever >>Note: If you are using an HS (High Security) OMAP device, an extra step is required. First, build x-load.bin using the steps above. Then, download the MShield signing tool and use the commands below. Contact your TI representative to get access to this tool.<< | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: you want to ask jacekowski about that | 22:04 |
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| Sicelo | lol | 22:16 |
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| whatever4ever | you know that arrow next to SMS that shows they're being sent until the time stamp appears? Well, for me it usually stays there. And if I restart my phone all of mine are gone, and the ones they send are re-received. | 23:16 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: mshield signing tool is somewhat public | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/tools/CSST_SDP3430_v2_5_Binary_Release.zip | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i've got no idea where i got it from though | 23:44 |
| ds3 | Hmmmm | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I only quoted that bit for demosntrating how useless fazzing with xloader is | 23:45 |
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| ds3 | jacekowski: does that work on the O4's too? | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx obviously was puzzled where NOLO code is starting | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: maybe you could help on that info | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: ??? | 23:46 |
| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: that CSST tool | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | ds3: dunno | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: a) it's irrelevant on which platform you use a signing tool, as the target is a file for arbitrary other platform, and b) a signing tool is useless without private signing key | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | ds3: i don't see why not but i wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | all xloader binaries have ti be signed | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | to* | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | on non HS devices it's just checksum and that kind of stuff | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | on HS it has to be proper cryptosignature | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 is HS | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | + you can add more stuff that allows it to setup all registers and everything | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | that's PITA | 23:48 |
| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: oh...that doesn't include the key, I take it? | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: of course not | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 23:49 |
| ds3 | sigh ;) | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | you can alwas | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | always swap the chip with one that has known key | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...do crc for non-HS | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | or disable HS mode | 23:49 |
| ds3 | or swap in a GP device ;) | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | it's same device | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | afaik it's jus tsingle input pin that makes it go into HS mode | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | could we change some pins, so it boots to a different mode? | 23:50 |
| * SpeedEvil gets out his leeetle drill. | 23:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | as far as i know yes | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | let me just get the TRM | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeeek, the TRM that always busts my RAM? | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | ehhh | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | edge internet | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's the .pdf's size? 100MB? | 23:52 |
| jacekowski | 20M | 23:52 |
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| jacekowski | 22M | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | explodes to 2GB swap file usage, when opening it | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/spruf98g_omap3530TRM.pdf | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice, you shawoed it? | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | shadowed | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | and there is that http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/omap3530.pdf | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | yeah, i hate ti website | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | finding something there takes ages | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:54 |
| ds3 | g version | 23:54 |
| ds3 | ? | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got bookmarks at least | 23:54 |
| ds3 | I wonder... | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | you wonder what? | 23:54 |
| jacekowski | ti website is generally developer/engineer hostile | 23:54 |
| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: some versions of the TRM has the full MUSB docs | 23:54 |
| jacekowski | and their approach to toolchains is hostile as well | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | D | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | spruf98d | 23:55 |
| jacekowski | how big is that | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | same size | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | roughly | 23:55 |
| ds3 | oh not g | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I ate them all, a..e | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | err ..g | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | killed me and my HDD and RAM | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and my DSL | 23:56 |
| ds3 | they were all legitimately downloaded from TI's site right? | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:57 |
| ds3 | cool... then that is a legitimate non NDA version of the docs | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | yeah it just takes like 30 clicks to find it | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | and i've had no time to deal with that kind of shit | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | best approach is to google for spruf98 | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | site:ti.com | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | even that may fail | 23:59 |
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