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| juk | anyone seeing banners from gcc like /var/tmp/ccTtyaJb.s:41: rdhi, rdlo and rm must all be different | 00:03 |
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| teotwaki | juk: sounds like the ARM assembler | 00:08 |
| teotwaki | building the kernel? | 00:09 |
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| juk | teotwaki: yes, thats on device gcc from sdk reps, no, not building, just running on file with main return 0 | 00:13 |
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| juk | teotwaki: does the self-built kernel work? | 00:14 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, a sentence | 01:08 |
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| MohammadAG | err, what's mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/sociality-mtf-build-harmattan$ ~/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad -t harmattan_10.2011.34-1_rt1.2 ldd sociality-mtf | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | not a dynamic executable | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | a sentence? seems like a random function going lyric | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably some filler text used in SPAM to fool spamassassin | 01:33 |
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| teotwaki | MohammadAG: boo | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | teotwaki, oi | 01:40 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: that's an error you get when running a 32-bit binary on a 64-bit os | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | but that's an ARM executable, running using an ARM qemu | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe not | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | file helps | 01:41 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: readelf ~/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or that | 01:42 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: basically, what the error says is that the dynamic linker you're using is unable to understand the binary | 01:43 |
| teotwaki | if you do a ldd $_ | 01:44 |
| teotwaki | you'll see the same message | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | even readelf -h | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the ldd might be whatever mad is using atm | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | readelf: Error: Not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | anyway | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | anyone familiar with qmake? | 01:47 |
| teotwaki | nope | 01:47 |
| teotwaki | autotools ftw | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: man ld-linux | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | helps with some nice envs | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | though not here probably | 01:53 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: you should probably change the "recent update" in the topic | 01:55 |
| teotwaki | cuz it's far from "recent". | 01:55 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | CSSU-Stable available: get it via links in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1129261 *now*!" | 01:56 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 01:57 |
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| teotwaki | Bad_Dream: sure I am | 02:09 |
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| Bad_Dream | lolz | 02:09 |
| teotwaki | told ya :) | 02:10 |
| Bad_Dream | why for it doesnt show you as an op? | 02:10 |
| Bad_Dream | or just sent command straight to chanserv | 02:10 |
| teotwaki | cuz the policy of this channel is that we don't show ops by default | 02:10 |
| Bad_Dream | ah ok | 02:10 |
| teotwaki | no need to have people "higher" than others. | 02:10 |
| teotwaki | they can ask chanserv to op themselves when needed | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a general freenode policy | 02:12 |
| teotwaki | it's a freenode guideline | 02:12 |
| teotwaki | check ##php | 02:12 |
| Bad_Dream | oh its ok | 02:12 |
| Bad_Dream | i usta play around in irc way back in the day | 02:12 |
| Bad_Dream | writing scripts and watnot | 02:12 |
| teotwaki | it's declining in usage fast | 02:13 |
| Bad_Dream | im pretty familiar with the way things work | 02:13 |
| bindi | didn't pick up with the proper grammar then? | 02:13 |
| teotwaki | bindi: don't see any grammar issues in what he said. | 02:14 |
| bindi | spelling then :p | 02:14 |
| Bad_Dream | ill tell you what....the internet is where people come to relax...chill out and get away from the bindings of proffesional lives...if someone feels a need to enforce proper grammar and correct in a place such as this then i see no other choice but to call him an anal retentive sack of crap | 02:14 |
| teotwaki | bindi: though, feel free to email George Lucas to criticise the way Yoda talks. | 02:14 |
| Bad_Dream | but hey i could be wrong | 02:14 |
| bindi | "usta" "wat" | 02:14 |
| teotwaki | Bad_Dream: no sweat, i'm the only anal retentive sack of crap in this channel who's banned people for using "u" instead of "you". | 02:15 |
| teotwaki | but they were repeat offenders. | 02:15 |
| teotwaki | and had it coming. | 02:15 |
| teotwaki | Twats. | 02:15 |
| Bad_Dream | feel free fur banning me fur not writing gud for yu...in fact ill make it a speshul point to type bad and use bad grammer just cuz i know yu dont like it | 02:16 |
| Bad_Dream | mmk? | 02:16 |
| bindi | er | 02:16 |
| teotwaki | haha | 02:16 |
| Bad_Dream | bindi just had aneurism explode in his pea sized brain | 02:17 |
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| teotwaki | Bad_Dream: since then, I've had colleagues send me emails asking "though the filters apply to couples of calls, or just rememberance?" | 02:17 |
| teotwaki | what they meant was "do the search filters only filter incoming, real-time calls or also the archived ones?" | 02:18 |
| Bad_Dream | lol | 02:18 |
| Bad_Dream | people gotta troll | 02:19 |
| teotwaki | So yeah, I do like it when people display proper spelling and grammar, but it's not that important to me. | 02:19 |
| Bad_Dream | its in our nature | 02:19 |
| teotwaki | Well, it wasn't trolling. | 02:19 |
| Bad_Dream | oh....then thats bad lol | 02:19 |
| teotwaki | That was honest to god, "that's the best I can do". | 02:19 |
| Bad_Dream | aaaaahahahaha | 02:19 |
| teotwaki | Well, I live in France. | 02:19 |
| teotwaki | So people writing English isn't just funny, it's sad. | 02:19 |
| Bad_Dream | when i type slang it isnt out of lazyness....its actually the way i think of my internet persona speaking | 02:20 |
| Bad_Dream | the way it sounds in my head | 02:20 |
| teotwaki | I had to write some important manual for one of our products, wrt how to update the software on specific platforms. | 02:21 |
| teotwaki | someone had to translate it | 02:21 |
| teotwaki | They wrote "La pomme a relaché une mise à jour" | 02:21 |
| Bad_Dream | and i dont actually say instead of why or ur instead of you are....i do say wat all the time tho lol | 02:21 |
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| teotwaki | which is literal for "The apple" (fruit) "released" (out of jail) "an update" | 02:21 |
| Bad_Dream | oh thats wat that says? im part french and i couldnt figure it out | 02:22 |
| Bad_Dream | more like rereleased | 02:22 |
| Bad_Dream | i guess thats proper french tho | 02:22 |
| Bad_Dream | here french is all butchered slang | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG | ended up statically linking a lib | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG | cause there's no sane repo for harmattan | 02:23 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: how much bigger is it? | 02:23 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: statically linking libs can really increase binary size though... and memory consumption, and load times. | 02:23 |
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| Bad_Dream | so what is this channel about? | 02:24 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: I recently added libcryptopp to one of our products, the cryptopp guys recommend statically linking the lib, but it's 50megs... and it had to go into 8 binaries... so 400MB extra | 02:24 |
| Bad_Dream | linux? | 02:24 |
| teotwaki | Bad_Dream: Maemo was a debian-derived operating systems that ran on internet tablets and phones. | 02:24 |
| teotwaki | Bad_Dream: the n900 more specifically | 02:25 |
| Bad_Dream | ah ok | 02:25 |
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| teotwaki | in its heyday, there more than 500 people in this channel | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAH, I wondered who the FSCK added teotwaki to access list ;-P | 02:25 |
| teotwaki | hahaha | 02:25 |
| teotwaki | just whois me you crazy german paranoid arse :P | 02:25 |
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| Bad_Dream | gotta love germans | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | 864Klibqfacebook.a | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | guess what I did ;-P | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | wb infobot | 02:26 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: I guess that's reasonable, have you tried ltdl'ing the .so? | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | ltdl? | 02:26 |
| teotwaki | libtool | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | come again? | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | (500 people, woah, we're only 280 now) | 02:27 |
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| MohammadAG | I must admit, the N900 lasted a week with no 3G or Wifi | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | but only because it can't connect to wifi for some reason | 02:27 |
| teotwaki | GNU libtool, has its C counterpart, you can do the dynamic linking yourself... as in, ltdl_open("myfile.so") | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | why? | 02:27 |
| teotwaki | just so you don't have to recompile in case you want to update the library? | 02:28 |
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| MohammadAG | it takes less than a second to compile it :p | 02:28 |
| teotwaki | but not to update / QA | 02:28 |
| teotwaki | And you can make it search the device for the proper .so, and if it finds it, load that, if not, take the one you shipped? | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG | upstream's been dead since April 2010 | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG | though I'd like to make some changes to store session data | 02:29 |
| teotwaki | oh well fuck off then, do it your way, if you don't want my help :P | 02:29 |
| * MohammadAG fucks off :p | 02:29 | |
| MohammadAG | tbh the biggest problem was keeping the git repo intact | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | as in this https://gitorious.org/qtbook/sociality-mtf/commit/6d66dad493385a7ef754f231e3d22373c71f0e9a | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | mobile users: don't open that ^ | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | or anyone with a low battery laptop, JS is heavy on that | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | sadly gitorious's web UI doesn't show it was moved, it shows it was deleted and recreated | 02:31 |
| MohammadAG | git commit said it was renamed | 02:31 |
| teotwaki | oh, I did a good deed! | 02:32 |
| teotwaki | We use thebuggenie as our bugtracker | 02:32 |
| teotwaki | we gave the devs a VM :) | 02:32 |
| teotwaki | Rather than sending them money | 02:33 |
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| teotwaki | MohammadAG: the gitorious guys are starting to trail behind seriously | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG | I'll give you a VM, can I have the money? | 02:34 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: if you compare the UI and UX from github | 02:34 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm racist towards white sites | 02:35 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: 2GB RAM, 99.8% uptime (guaranteed), 2x 3Ghz CPU, and a pipe to the internet so big you could never fill it with all the donkeyporn in the world? | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | 4GB ram | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | donkeyporn is so last year | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | get with the times | 02:36 |
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| teotwaki | ok, midget wank then. | 02:36 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: I did some benchmarks on my project | 02:36 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: 18k simultaneous RT web connections ;) | 02:36 |
| teotwaki | + AJAX. | 02:37 |
| teotwaki | on a quad core CPU | 02:37 |
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| teotwaki | my router overheated. | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | that's... a lot | 02:37 |
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| teotwaki | yeah, it's a fuckton. | 02:38 |
| teotwaki | our current stack handles about 5k over 4 servers. | 02:38 |
| teotwaki | I'm pushing back the initial release to end of september | 02:39 |
| teotwaki | But I think I might actually have something with this :) | 02:39 |
| teotwaki | I can update the binaries while it's serving those 18k connections :) | 02:40 |
| teotwaki | anyway | 02:40 |
| teotwaki | good night | 02:40 |
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| ShadowJK | 99.8 lol | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ah | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had a server that used to go down for 1 second every 15 minutes. Had a really "uptime", though totally useless | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | really *great* "uptime" | 02:49 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Hello, how to know the battery percentage? | 05:09 |
| LaoLang_cool | exactly | 05:09 |
| pronto | magic | 05:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not at all | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | a guestimate that's pretending to be exact: lshal|grep battery | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | a fairly good figure, but only after you calibrate the chip: bq27200.sh | 05:17 |
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| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: I don't know which info is what I need from the output of lshal|grep battery, I want to how how percentage remained | 05:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sigh | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | how's about " battery.charge_level.percentage"? | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I admit, a bit hard to guess | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite obscure a name | 05:21 |
| Termana | lol | 05:21 |
| LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: is this it? it returns 25, but battery icon shows a nearly full icon right now... | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not responsible for either of both | 05:23 |
| LaoLang_cool | ok, now it returns 74, after I disconnect the usb wire to stop charging | 05:23 |
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| dre-samosir | ada yg dari Indonesia? | 08:19 |
| RST38h | Not being content with the state of open source graphics drivers for Linux, a developer working for Texas Instruments has reverse-engineered his competitor's (Qualcomm) driver and written an open-source Snapdragon driver. With being tainted by legal documents at Texas Instruments, the developer, who is also involved with Linaro, had no other choice but to work on an open source graphics driver for his competitor in his free time. | 08:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | neat | 09:00 |
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| a-nightfury | hi guys where i can get the KP49 | 13:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | why not use KP50? | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, whatever you wanna use, better wait til tomorrow. maemo.org seems down/borked, as usual on weekends | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least http://maemo.org/packages/ takes ages to deliver a completely blank page | 13:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WOW, on 5th attemt it worked | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | which doesn't mean an actual search there would yield anything better than blankpage | 13:35 |
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| obcecado_ | Error 500 | 13:36 |
| obcecado_ | maemo.org | 13:36 |
| obcecado_ | Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:35:55 +0300 | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ | 13:37 |
| a-nightfury | DocScrutinizer, because it'snot compatible with cleven | 13:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 13:44 |
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| a-nightfury | DocScrutinizer, with the KP50 i need to go in a hassle and there's no clear tutorial on installing the patch drivers | 13:46 |
| a-nightfury | DocScrutinizer, or at least i didn't find a good one | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, tutorials should apply to kp50 as they do to kp49 | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | all that aside, for kernel it's indeed rather unfortunate that older versions get nuked in repo | 13:48 |
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| a-nightfury | DocScrutinizer, I don't recall what was my latest kernel that i used and was working fine with cleven | 13:50 |
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| a-nightfury | DocScrutinizer, so I was thinking that it might've been the KP49 | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, uname doesn't help? | 13:51 |
| a-nightfury | DocScrutinizer, not anymore i was on KP50 and now on the original nokia kernel trying to find how to get back on my last config that worked well with cleven | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, you got any decent backup? (I.E. backupmenu) | 13:54 |
| a-nightfury | DocScrutinizer, don't think I have backed up my device in a very long time | 13:55 |
| a-nightfury | DocScrutinizer, at least not after I re flashed it when i had the re reboot problem | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I don't follow the KP-thread on tmo. Maybe there you get (a link to) the older kernel-power versions | 13:56 |
| a-nightfury | DocScrutinizer, the link you provided me got me to the older kernel packages | 13:57 |
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| ShadowJK | What's cleven? | 13:58 |
| a-nightfury | ShadowJK, an aircrack gui | 13:59 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 13:59 |
| ShadowJK | So the alternate wifi drivers need to be updated for kp50 then? | 13:59 |
| Vib3 | ohh still no update to reaver 1.4 | 13:59 |
| Vib3 | it didn't work on my n900 :/ | 14:00 |
| Vib3 | seems it has few bugs.. | 14:00 |
| a-nightfury | ShadowJK, yes | 14:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd bet you could use the kp49 drivers, when forcing them | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway... | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: ping ^^^ | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | a-nightfury: you ever checked if cleven works with kp50? | 14:04 |
| Pali | wifi injection drivers are for kp50 too | 14:05 |
| Pali | see first post in kernel-power v50 TMO thread | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, I thought kp50 had some improvements there even | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi Pali | 14:06 |
| a-nightfury | DocScrutinizer, Pali after upgrading to kp50 i had issues with cleven with a message of no compatibility ..... | 14:07 |
| Pali | did you updated injection drivers? | 14:07 |
| a-nightfury | Pali no | 14:08 |
| Pali | so update it | 14:08 |
| Pali | it is written in first post on TMO kp50 thread | 14:08 |
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| a-nightfury | Pali, let me check | 14:08 |
| a-nightfury | Pali, please post the link | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~kp50 | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, what's with her again? | 14:14 |
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| Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83118 | 14:15 |
| a-nightfury | Pali, Packet injection wifi driver (optional) .......... this part right | 14:16 |
| Pali | yes | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: pretty please edit your URL links in that post. They are all truncated to oblivion | 14:20 |
| a-nightfury | Pali, is there a tutorial on how to install the drivers | 14:22 |
| kent_autistic | hey yall how do i delay HAM's update checking (or disable it compeletely?). i remember there's a command line entry but cant find it thanks! | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | kent_autistic: ?? | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can set the frequency of scheduled automatic update | 14:24 |
| kent_autistic | when i connect to the internet, HAM automatically checks for app updates. | 14:24 |
| kent_autistic | yeah, how? or can i disable it? | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: for >>First from 'U-Boot for Nokia RX-51 with BootMenu thread' install...<< you got a nice link. Please do same for the 9 links at top of that post | 14:25 |
| kent_autistic | it eats up cpu whenever i connect to the internet | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check | 14:26 |
| kent_autistic | salamat! | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not recommended to set the tmespan to >10 years | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably once a year would be just fine | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | what salad? | 14:28 |
| a-nightfury | Pali, is there a tutorial on how to install the drivers | 14:30 |
| Termana | It's Filipino salad | 14:30 |
| Pali | a-nightfury, somewhere in thread somebody written it | 14:31 |
| a-nightfury | Pali, ok thanks a lot I will get back to you if things didn't work right or done | 14:32 |
| kent_autistic | salad? haha its ty in filipino :) | 14:34 |
| a-nightfury | Pali, why don't write your own tutorial ????????? | 14:35 |
| Pali | because I did not have time for that | 14:35 |
| a-nightfury | Pali, I see Hopefully you will one you have time | 14:37 |
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| narcos | Hey all - I need to use sftp from the command line on my N900 - but the openssh-server install doesn't seem to come with the binary...? | 14:42 |
| obcecado_ | what about openssh-client ? | 14:43 |
| StyXman | yeah | 14:43 |
| narcos | Er, that's a good point | 14:44 |
| narcos | I'm sure on the Desktop it was included in openssh-server | 14:45 |
| * narcos feels silly | 14:45 | |
| * narcos installs openssh-client | 14:45 | |
| StyXman | narcos: feel sillier: | 14:46 |
| StyXman | mdione@mustang:~/src/projects/satyr/git$ dpkg -L openssh-server | grep bin | 14:46 |
| StyXman | /usr/sbin | 14:46 |
| StyXman | /usr/sbin/sshd | 14:46 |
| StyXman | :) | 14:46 |
| x29a | :> | 14:47 |
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| obcecado_ | im gladly testing dsp profile with SR enabled | 14:52 |
| obcecado_ | everything seems smooth so far | 14:52 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: I am checking out mer and looking into making a kernel | 14:58 |
| lolcat | They said if I did that they would make drivers | 14:58 |
| lolcat | Wich sounds like a good deal | 14:58 |
| lolcat | If they make the drivers I can mix up my own debian based phone OS. The hildon UI can't be that hard to recreate | 14:59 |
| lolcat | And I guess the mer people will make dialers and such | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hey, I can make 2 dialers in two minutes, within two posts in this channel ;-D | 15:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if however they work like you would like and live up to your expectations is highly doubtful | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | esp both need a working libisi to talk to the modem at all, plus probably some other stuff | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: I's ask mer guys if their notion of meaning of "drivers" includes such things like libisi etc | 15:22 |
| lolcat | They are using oFono | 15:23 |
| lolcat | as a dialer | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much | 15:23 |
| lolcat | There is no libisi for linux? | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ophono must have something similar | 15:24 |
| luke-jr | … | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then ophono is orphaned as well, aiui | 15:24 |
| lolcat | They said oFono with an F as in ofono.org | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr ofono of course | 15:25 |
| lolcat | Probably pronounced the same though | 15:25 |
| luke-jr | oFono just released 1.5 | 15:25 |
| luke-jr | N900 support is unmaintained since before 1.0 | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | the fools that called fso a crippled AT interface and refused collaboration or merge, while they themselves came up with a crippled AT interface later on | 15:26 |
| lolcat | AT? | 15:26 |
| luke-jr | I managed to get 1.0 working on N900 fully, though | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | hayes AT commadset | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ata ITA07.07 or somesuch | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka | 15:27 |
| RST38h | Doc:any idea why harmattan media plyer keeps showing "cannot play this video" message over *some* spots in *some* videos? | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was it IEA? | 15:27 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I'm not so worried about an AT interface I don't use, as much as glib dependencies ;) | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: DSP breaks? | 15:28 |
| RST38h | dunno, looks like it has been designed in | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the various encodings are not always according to the mere clean nice specs, e.g regarding max number of I-frames between those anchor frames | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I once looked into the topic quite some years ago. There's a lot of mess in there | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | all the formats define certain maxima for all the parameters (samplingrate, number of iframes, whatnot else) and not all media files are encoded in a way so they all the time comply with those restrictions | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | some decoders can cope with that, others not | 15:32 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h; probably it crashes on that video because of a bug in the decoder | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ofono guys used "AT interface" as a swearword, which it actually is in that regard. However fso implements a proper abstract dbus API, while ofono much more implemented something resembling a perverted AT API | 15:35 |
| ShadowJK | Also h264 defines like 6 different profiles with increasing coding complexity, multiplies by like 6 different levels of bandwidth/res/fps limits :P | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: can also be a bug in media file | 15:36 |
| ShadowJK | Yes of course, but the decoder mustn't crash on that | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | but DSP, you know... :-S | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it doesn't even crash but just throws exception | 15:37 |
| ShadowJK | libav/ffmoeg guys actually crashproof by flipping random bits in the datastructure of random files, until the decoder crashes, and then the decoder is fixed to not crash | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | which in turn results in what RST38h reports | 15:37 |
| ShadowJK | as well as having error detection and error concealment modes | 15:37 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah it's probably something like that | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in the end, what else is DSP supposed to do, than just blackout video signal and tell API "I can't do that!" | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ideally conituing to read media and trying to resync | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | eventually | 15:39 |
| ShadowJK | skip ahead to next data that passes sanity check, perform the sane-looking steps on the damaged area anyway, and apply strong blur filter on it | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ==resync | 15:40 |
| ShadowJK | ya | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL on blur filter | 15:40 |
| ShadowJK | When you have error concealment techniques, and the original file is made using data partitioning, you can have a watchable result even if like 1% of bits are wrong | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually no wrong bits but "rogue" commands in there | 15:44 |
| * RST38h sighs: android is such a cesspool of crackers... | 15:44 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I deprecate andridiot | 15:45 |
| jaska | what type of crackers? | 15:45 |
| jaska | edible? copy-protection removers? scriptkiddies? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | scriptkiddies sounds about correct | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe call them flakes | 15:46 |
| jaska | dont really ever use it outside work anyway, and even then not use, just bang out code | 15:46 |
| lolcat | What does AT do? | 15:47 |
| lolcat | And android is so lame, you don't know whats going on | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: do you know wikipedia? | 15:47 |
| lolcat | yes | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah and google for (now I recall) ETSI07.07 | 15:47 |
| RST38h | And Java "security" can't really be used without quotes | 15:48 |
| RST38h | But lots, *lots* of *very* importat sounding people with very elaborate software frameworks supposed to implement security in Java | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 07.05? | 15:49 |
| RST38h | Kids actually no longer crack this stuff by hand, there are script for automated cracking of Android apks | 15:49 |
| lolcat | crack packages? | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: esp for you, lazy lad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_AT | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: and here comes your "dialer" #1: | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | pnatd | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's really all you need to type to xterm, to get a "dialer" in maemo. Just you need to key in "ATD" before you enter number. instead of green button you hit <enter> | 15:54 |
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| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: Awesome | 15:54 |
| V-ille | is there any way to reset an n9 if I don't have the security code? | 15:55 |
| lolcat | I just have to get some linux to boot on the note | 15:55 |
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| Macer | uhm | 16:35 |
| jpinx | Is there any way to prevent my GPRS connection automatically going to 3g when it's available? Just using with 2G or 2.5G | 16:35 |
| jpinx | Nokia N900 | 16:35 |
| tadzik | huh, does GPRS switch to 3G when you're on 2G when not connected? | 16:35 |
| tadzik | the label in my status bar says 2.5 even when I'm internet-connected | 16:35 |
| jpinx | mine appears to opt for the fastest service available | 16:36 |
| tadzik | what are you using for switching it to 2G? | 16:36 |
| jpinx | I'm not - that's the question - I want manual switching between <3G and3G+ | 16:37 |
| tadzik | I'm using some applet for that, I'll look up the name for ya | 16:37 |
| jpinx | because I have strange deals with the provider here and I want to keep my 3G for bi downloads | 16:37 |
| jpinx | tadzik: cheers ;) | 16:37 |
| tadzik | jpinx: seems to be http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/3g2g-mode-selection-applet/ | 16:38 |
| tadzik | hope this helps :) | 16:38 |
| jpinx | tadzik: thanks - looking... | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | 2g/3g switcher | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - that | 16:40 |
| * SpeedEvil should read to the end of scroll | 16:40 | |
| tadzik | by the way: does anyone have any strong data on its influence on battery life? | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Of what? | 16:41 |
| tadzik | how much does switching to 2g really help | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | In short - for slow, regular data transmission - 2G wins hands-down | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | for large bursts, occausionally - 3g | 16:42 |
| tadzik | indeed, looks convincing | 16:42 |
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| tadzik | so switching the hardware lock screen button is actually suspending the phone? | 16:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | Umm. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Suspend is a term that isn't quite valid with maemo. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Normally. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It just - hopefully - goes idle. | 16:47 |
| tadzik | yeah, that confuses me. So suspend only happens when you explicitely tell kernel to do so? | 16:49 |
| tadzik | As in echo mem > /sys/power/state | 16:49 |
| tadzik | otherwise I'd be suprised that gsm still works in this state | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | GSM is quite irrelevant | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | It's handled by another (two) cores. | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Not on the main chip. | 16:51 |
| tadzik | oh, interesting | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | However, unfortunately, the GSM modem is configured so it interrupts the CPU on changes of signal state. | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Which means you can't actually echo mem >... without it waking up every 30s | 16:52 |
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| tadzik | yeah | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | OTOH. | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | That just means ~6 days standby, not ~9 | 17:00 |
| tadzik | oh, maybe you guys know, or know of some reading. How does GSM protocol work? Is the phone completely passive, just receiving the signal, or is it sending something too? | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | It's bidirectional, but the tower is in control. | 17:01 |
| tadzik | and when it's looking for a signal, is it better to stand still, or it does not matter at all? | 17:01 |
| tadzik | oh, wait | 17:01 |
| tadzik | s/GSM/GPS/ | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 17:01 |
| tadzik | I don't suppose phone has a power to reach the satellite | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | For GPS - the receiver is completely passive. | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | But, it may want to do transmission over the phone network to get sagtellite info | 17:02 |
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| tadzik | I think it does so | 17:04 |
| tadzik | but I have mixed feeling about effect of this signaling on the success rate of reaching the satellite signal | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need supl.google.com to get decent TTFF | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | It depends - I haven't quite worked out what it is. | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | supl.nokia.com is known to have bitrotten to death | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Getting a fix a few hours before you actually need GPS helps | 17:06 |
| tadzik | where do I change that? | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | settings :-) | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - that would explain why I had issues earlier this week. | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd forgotten to change that on this phone | 17:07 |
| tadzik | heh, sounds reasonable, yeah :) | 17:07 |
| tadzik | changed, DocScrutinizer++ | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder if we could ship a reminder pkg with next CSSU, to pop up a requester asking "do you want to use supl.google.com instead of broken supl.nokia.com? bla explain blub..." | 17:10 |
| tadzik | sound reasonable | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: Pali: MohammadAG: ^^^^ | 17:11 |
| tadzik | are there more servers like this one? I'm not quite fond of Google | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I guess there's a couple, but most of them are strictly for-our-customers | 17:12 |
| tadzik | I see | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might want to ask aunt google about supl servers | 17:13 |
| tadzik | heh, nokia advises to use supl.google.com | 17:13 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: is there a reproducible test-case for the 'brokenness'? | 17:14 |
| merlin1991 | tadzik: where? | 17:14 |
| tadzik | or it's just "thenokiablog.com", may not be Nokia itself | 17:14 |
| tadzik | probably not nokia at all; disregard | 17:14 |
| * dm8tbr would be very interested to get detailed instructions how to reproduce the 'supl' problem | 17:15 | |
| tadzik | dm8tbr: launch some gps-using software, let it use A-GPS, spend the next n minutes waiting | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAH - http://thenokiablog.com/2009/12/16/google-location-server-supl/ | 17:15 |
| tadzik | I can reproduce it with those spets | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: ^^^ | 17:16 |
| tadzik | yeah, that's the one I found to | 17:16 |
| tadzik | s/to/too | 17:16 |
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| dm8tbr | that's not exactly a good instruction *sigh* | 17:17 |
| dm8tbr | does it only happen in certain parts of the world or everywhere? | 17:17 |
| dm8tbr | that blog post mentions it worked in amsterdam but didn't in the US | 17:17 |
| tadzik | it really sucks in Poland, as far as I can sya | 17:18 |
| dm8tbr | tadzik: which operator in poland? | 17:18 |
| tadzik | dm8tbr: Play | 17:18 |
| tadzik | aka P4, methinks | 17:18 |
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| dm8tbr | hrm, might need to buy me a play starter tomorrow | 17:19 |
| tadzik | oh, you're from Poland? | 17:19 |
| dm8tbr | I'm in Finland today, but tomorrow I'll be on a business trip in Poland | 17:20 |
| tadzik | I see | 17:20 |
| tadzik | Play is the cheapest one, I think, and the prizes for internet packets are quite reasonable, I think | 17:21 |
| dm8tbr | I'm mostly using orange as they fit my very rare usage scheme best. I only visit every now and then for a week | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: I think it's nokia supl server, not related to data carrier (modulo RRNLP or what's the name, the GSM based hidden AGPS layer) | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I'd not be surprised it's once more an auth issue at nokia | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB AGPS fails independently of 2G, 3G, WLAN... | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so investigating GPRS issues seems kinda not to the point really | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably tshark is the tool to investigate this issue | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and almost same issue been seen for diablo AGPS | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probably also for HARM - after all the URL supl.nokia.com will resolve to same IP for all three devices/OS | 17:32 |
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| tadzik | huh | 17:37 |
| tadzik | having screen blacked out (not locked, just black because of time passed) and keybord open, a keyboard blinks from time to time. Any ideas where might that come from? | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | have you set R+D mode? | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Unset it | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 17:38 |
| tadzik | if I do, gainroot won't work anymore | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHAHA sorry | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | install rootsh! | 17:38 |
| tadzik | I have it installed | 17:39 |
| tadzik | there's a reason I turned R+D on | 17:39 |
| tadzik | rootsh just tells me "if you want to break your phone turn RD mode one" | 17:39 |
| tadzik | s/one/on/ | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's NOT rootsh | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'S what maemo says when rootsh pkg NOT installed | 17:39 |
| tadzik | hmm, hold on | 17:40 |
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| tadzik | it's not rootsh that is responsible for 'sudo gainroot'? | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw you should use cmd `root' rather than `sudo gainroot' | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cmd root comes with rootsh pkg | 17:41 |
| tadzik | I've just tried that one for the first time, but I assure you, sudo gainroot forced me to turn R&D on | 17:41 |
| tadzik | I wouldn't have bothered otherwise | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I assure you we all have seen this nonsensical msg, and we all installed rootsh pkg instead of enabling R&D | 17:42 |
| tadzik | okay | 17:42 |
| tadzik | interesting though | 17:42 |
| FIQ|n900 | what does it even want to say? | 17:43 |
| FIQ|n900 | if it's so easy to gain proper root (hell, Nokia even used it as one of the sellpoints iirc?), why does it do that | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | root access doesn't come per default | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you either enable R&D or install rootsh from extras | 17:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | or install openssh :) | 17:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | but yeah | 17:45 |
| * FIQ|n900 just installed rootsh and fiddled with sudo and then got rid of rootsh | 17:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 17:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | s/sudo/\/etc\/sudoers/ | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | getting rid of rootsh means you replaced the rootsh sudoers file with your own, as that's all rootsh does: add proper sudoers line | 17:47 |
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| FIQ|n900 | I suppose | 17:47 |
| V-ille | FIQ|n900: it's of course so Dangerous to enable root access. People do it anyway, and it _is_ a selling point for the devices. | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | but rootsh also ships a nice oneliner shellscript called `root' which is the supposed way to get *real* root | 17:48 |
| ShadowJK | enabling it is fine. doing random shit while root isn't :P | 17:48 |
| ShadowJK | "gainroot" is equivalent to "su", which doesn't replace user environment | 17:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | V-ille: i said, IIRC, I read it somewhere, maybe the source was wrong, or I remember incorrectly | 17:48 |
| ShadowJK | so you need a "su -" after that to get root environment, or just use "root" in the first place | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | having no clue and having no clue about having no clue - that's the most dangerous thing and root of all problems | 17:49 |
| tadzik | DocScrutinizer: okay, it works fine. Thank you | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | YW | 17:49 |
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| FIQ|n900 | also there's one thing I didn't understand when I edited sudoers -- why did Nokia do a weird update-sudoers script that cluttered the file with way more things that should be necessary? | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw R&D mode is not recommended for everyday usage for a number of reasons. Power consumption for several debug systems only one of them | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: you mustn't edit /etc/sudoers. update-sudoers is just aggregating all the files in etc/sudoers.d/* into that file | 17:54 |
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| tadzik | http://imgur.com/IHd3Y -- any ideas what does he want? | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | since our sudo is too old to know about sudoers.d (or any directories) | 17:55 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok | 17:56 |
| ShadowJK | update-* sounds like a debian thing ;p | 17:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | tadzik: try to get dist-upgrade to work for some reason | 17:57 |
| FIQ|n900 | which will just break the device | 17:58 |
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| FIQ|n900 | even though the apt error message doesn't make sense since the dependicies are met. | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | he wants to install sysv.init - OMG | 18:00 |
| tadzik | probably upstart wants some backwards comp. | 18:00 |
| FIQ|n900 | glhf with that | 18:00 |
| FIQ|n900 | tadzik: apt tells that it needs 3:1.6.1.legal-1osso8 or newer, and I'm sure 3.1.10.1.legal-1osso30 is newer. | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I have no F'ing clue what's the purpose of all that in this "screenshot", but quite obviously it's as wrong as it can get | 18:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | that's what i meant with apt not making sense, not that this will do any good anyway, but... yeah | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | PEBKAC | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt msgs sound reasonable enough to me | 18:03 |
| tadzik | FIQ|n900: yeah, I noticed that too. Maybe some version parsing fail | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe YOU SHOULDN'T TRY TO INSTALL sysv-init on an upstart system? | 18:04 |
| tadzik | oh ffs, chill out a bit | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you shouldn't do dist-upgrade? | 18:04 |
| tadzik | why wouldn't I? | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-04-15 16:57:59] <FIQ|n900> tadzik: try to get dist-upgrade to work for some reason | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-04-15 16:58:16] <FIQ|n900> which will just break the device | 18:06 |
| ShadowJK | plain "upgrade" is a bad idea too ;p | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 18:06 |
| tadzik | okay. Is there a specific reason why dist-upgrade is broken? Is the official package manager cheating somehow, and not using apt-get behind the scenes? | 18:07 |
| ShadowJK | The official manager knows of rules and dependencies that apt does not | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's using apt-get but not upgrade | 18:07 |
| ShadowJK | and also official manager runs scripts that apt doesn't know of | 18:07 |
| tadzik | okay, I see | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | the reason behind all this being Nokia's weird metapackage that includes 99% of maemo | 18:08 |
| ShadowJK | It's okay for some simple things, not part of the base system and not part of the maemo stack. | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | a concept that doesn't play nicely with general debian packaging | 18:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | maemo-generic-community-pr? | 18:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | or whatever it was named | 18:09 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer, no idea if it is possible to change supl server by default via cssu | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | not per default, just rising a requester, and change it when user agrees | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | anyone tried ask nokia why their server doesn't work? | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: the server is in gconf: /system/nokia/location/supl/server | 18:13 |
| Pali | ok | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | gconftool -R /system/nokia/location/supl | 18:15 |
| ShadowJK | Although I did open a bug about Diablo agps no longer working with supl.nokia.com a year or two ago... | 18:16 |
| ShadowJK | btw, supl.google.com has also at times not worked for fremantle :P | 18:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | my GPS has never worked the last year, I think it's because I broke it when I feeded my N900 | 18:18 |
| FIQ|n900 | I don't miss it | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | feeded it?? | 18:18 |
| FIQ|n900 | I gave it food unintentionally | 18:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | or more like a drink | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | never feed it after midnight! ;-P | 18:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | It worked fine afterwards except for the GPS chip | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | GPS is most delicate | 18:19 |
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| FIQ|n900 | I never used it seriously anyway | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc it's also the only tincan you can't open | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | for some reason | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | even a separate lid wouldn't shield the way it's needed for GPS | 18:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | heh | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least that's my take on it | 18:22 |
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| jpinx | updates over gprs are painfully slow :( | 19:01 |
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| * SpeedEvil suspects DocScrutinizer's adding to bugzilla on GPS may not have any point at this date :) | 19:08 | |
| freemangordon | well, maybe open a bug agains CSSU? | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | *against | 19:09 |
| * dm8tbr still wonders if anyone tried to get an answer from nokia on this topic | 19:09 | |
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| dm8tbr | this location stuff seems to be important for them, imagine what if it's also broken on !n900 | 19:10 |
| freemangordon | could be that just a few servers are affected, i've bever had any problem with here | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | it might be location specific | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: DocScrutinizer is well aware | 19:19 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: for N8x0/diablo it's clearly stated it was/is indeed location specific, via geoIP/loadbalancing/whatever | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: the suggestion been to replace supl.nokia.com with a correct IP of a known good server from the supl.nokia distributed farm | 19:22 |
| freemangordon | yeah, i saw that | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway runour has it now it's completely fsckdup for everybody on diablo | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | can we do it by simply using /etc/hosts? | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haven't heard of nor tested supl.google.com with diablo | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even needed | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | the setting takes IP as well as URL | 19:25 |
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| ShadowJK | I tried changing gconf /system/osso/supl/ | 19:25 |
| luke-jr | ugh | 19:25 |
| luke-jr | biggest failure of N900: | 19:25 |
| luke-jr | NO CASE | 19:25 |
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| ShadowJK | but it was still trying to connect to supl.nokia | 19:26 |
| ShadowJK | get a case? | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 19:26 |
| luke-jr | I'm constantly dropping it because it doesn't fit the N810 case | 19:26 |
| luke-jr | any ideas on fixing a broken lens-cover | 19:26 |
| luke-jr | ? | 19:26 |
| * dm8tbr got himself a nice leather n900 case by nokia | 19:26 | |
| freemangordon | and that is n900 failure?!? | 19:26 |
| luke-jr | freemangordon: yes | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | not fitting your n810 case? | 19:26 |
| luke-jr | N810 came with a case. | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | hmm, i see | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather a pouch | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | thought the N810 case sucks at preventing drops? | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | since yeah, pouch | 19:27 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: at least it's tight enough that when it falls, the case goes with it | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | the N800 case is more like a furry mitten | 19:27 |
| luke-jr | and keeps it safe basically | 19:27 |
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| luke-jr | almost 100% of my N900's damage is to the back cover | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yeah, same way as cups don't prevent tea from falling down when you hold them upside down ;-D | 19:28 |
| * ShadowJK can still count on two hands the number of times he's dropped N900 | 19:28 | |
| luke-jr | shirt pocket. | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2 times here | 19:29 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, how to fix lenscover? | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | not | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | get new battery lid | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, until it is clear who and when changes supl.google.com to supl.nokia.com /etc/hosts might work AIUI | 19:29 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: where from? | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: who and when changes??? wut? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: fleabay | 19:30 |
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| luke-jr | only see full N900s there <.< | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | sigh | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I have a spare back. | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | - RMA doesn't want cover | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, i think there was a report that on reboot the sever changes back to nokia's | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | But I have no idea where it is. | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: http://www.ecaseshop.com/nokia-n900-housing-faceplate-cover-gold-p-3673.html | 19:31 |
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| luke-jr | surely there must be some way to remove this silver lining holding the lenscover on | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: WUT? | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | yeah, can't remember whether it was on TMO or in some irc chat | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | could be wrong, but that could be easily tested, give a couple of minutes to reboot | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme check my setting | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | hmm, false alarm | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | *nope* | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | well, that is a clear candidate for CSSU | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, requester asking user if he wants to use the better supl server setting | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a 30min project | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5kByte app | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | total pkg size | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | well, the correct approach would be to RE liblocation_applet.so | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I insist on credits for the idea ;-P | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT??? | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | most probably the default is there, lemme chack | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | the correct way is along dbus-send $requester_yes_no && gconftool --setkey /system/nokia/location/supl/server string "supl.google.com", in postinst of the package | 19:37 |
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| freemangordon | agree, the default is not in applet | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw now I have to insist already in credit for *implementation* of the "app", leaving packaging to somebody else ;-D | 19:39 |
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| luke-jr | hmm cute | 19:48 |
| luke-jr | there's a little metal thing that helps lock the lenscover in place | 19:48 |
| luke-jr | it came out of the hole it fits in | 19:48 |
| luke-jr | *fixed* | 19:48 |
| luke-jr | now I just need to find some glue to hold the silver thing down again | 19:49 |
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| luke-jr | fun, no glue at all x.x | 19:50 |
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| jonwil | hi | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi jonwil - long time no see :-D | 20:26 |
| jonwil | decided to pop in for a while mostly because of the chats on the mailing list that seem to be about the future of maemo | 20:27 |
| jonwil | just wanted to see if anyone can tell me exactly whats going on | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohwell, future of maemo | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basicaly business as usual, with some folks getting excited as there's council election in a few days | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | some other folks getting upset since finally xfade popped up again | 20:29 |
| jonwil | who is xfade? | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | and those folks are now upset about the breakdown in communication to Nokia/nemein/whomever during the last 6 months | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2012-04-15 19:30:29] [Whois] X-Fade ist ~xfade@d5152FFD8.static.telenet.be (Niels Breet) | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-04-15 19:30:29] [Whois] X-Fade hat Benutzerstatus in den Kanälen: #harmattan #maemo #meego #mer #nemomobile | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | also our contact to infra administrarion, AIUI | 20:31 |
| jonwil | from the list posts it sounds like there are certain people who think that the community should try to secure redistribution rights for all the important stuff now just in case the worst happens | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds reasonable | 20:32 |
| jonwil | i.e. the SDK installer, SDK nokia-binaries repos, phone flasher tools, phone firmware images and phone repositories | 20:32 |
| luke-jr | Maemo has a future? | 20:32 |
| jonwil | It has a future in the sense that I have no plans to stop using it anytime soon... :P | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | +1 | 20:33 |
| luke-jr | jonwil: join my quest to get Gentoo fully functional! | 20:33 |
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| jonwil | Gentoo on an N900? No thanks, keeping Gentoo going on my desktop is hard enough :P | 20:34 |
| luke-jr | aww | 20:34 |
| luke-jr | but I have GPRS and almost voice calls! | 20:34 |
| dre-samosir | hello | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | "almost voicecalls"??? HAH | 20:34 |
| dre-samosir | I want to ask what is /usr/bin/hildon-input-method? thanks | 20:34 |
| dre-samosir | what does it do? | 20:35 |
| jonwil | Its used for the input devices | 20:35 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yeah, the same almost I had in Dec! | 20:35 |
| jonwil | i.e. the keytboards | 20:35 |
| jonwil | keyboards | 20:35 |
| dre-samosir | thanks jonwil | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | the same 'almost' that SHR got since 6 months | 20:35 |
| dre-samosir | but why does it use 95% of my processor? my battery drained in less than 2 hours these weeks because of that | 20:36 |
| luke-jr | except SHR does it wrong <.< | 20:36 |
| * jonwil doubts that fully functioning voice calls will happen without the nokia binary pulse audio bits, especially as its impossible to know just what those blobs are actually doing... | 20:36 | |
| luke-jr | jonwil: too late. | 20:36 |
| jonwil | then again I dont know how important those are | 20:36 |
| jonwil | I know they do speaker protection | 20:36 |
| jonwil | and probably things like echo cancellation or whatever it is | 20:37 |
| luke-jr | yeah, that'd be nice to get in the kernel | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ???? EEEW! | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe kernel can cut my toenails as well? ;-P | 20:37 |
| dre-samosir | is there any possible way to limit/disable the hildon-input-method without ruining the N900 everyday use? thanks | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | dre-samosir: that's definitely a defect of any kind | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. shouldn't | 20:39 |
| dre-samosir | humm it uses 95% processor at any time... | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and odds are it might be a hw defect | 20:39 |
| dre-samosir | oh | 20:39 |
| dre-samosir | say, I got a borked one? | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | investigating this issue isn't easy though | 20:39 |
| jonwil | speaking of gentoo, I should run another emerge run | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | dre-samosir: check all your keys of kbd if they work like supposed to. Also check your touchscreen for correct exact operation | 20:40 |
| jonwil | if I dont update often enough, I end up in a situation where upgrading is a pain because of dependency hell :P | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | dre-samosir: if all seems in perfect condition, I suggest a reflashing of COMBINED | 20:41 |
| dre-samosir | DocScrutinizer, my touchscreen works but not as sensitive as when I first bought it. and also, the Fn + Sym doesn't work at all now | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course after doing a proper backup | 20:41 |
| dre-samosir | COMBINED? | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, if the key got stuck mechanically, you'd quite likely see the symptoms you described | 20:42 |
| dre-samosir | jonwil, Gentoo, aite? even Fedora gives me dependency hell. | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | the file called *COMBINED* | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | as opposed toVANILLA | 20:43 |
| dre-samosir | DocScrutinizer, from the outside it looks like no mechanically stuck key | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | toldya investigation is not easy at all | 20:44 |
| dre-samosir | lol | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | dre-samosir: you know the sequence matters? | 20:45 |
| dre-samosir | ? | 20:45 |
| dre-samosir | no SpeedEvil. elaborate, please. | 20:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 20:45 | |
| dre-samosir | sorry, 2 years with N900 and Linux Mint, and even Mandrake long ago but I know I'm still noob | 20:46 |
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| Sicelo | i take it he meant Fn + Sym != Sym + Fn | 20:48 |
| dre-samosir | oh true, Sicelo and SpeedEvil | 20:48 |
| dre-samosir | it's always Fn first and Sym second | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 | 20:49 |
| povbot | Bug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard. | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | that | 20:49 |
| dre-samosir | that's exactly why I know the combination doesn't work | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | retarded broken-by-design | 20:49 |
| Macer | heh | 20:50 |
| dre-samosir | oh dang. no. | 20:50 |
| jpinx | I have 2 N900's plugged into my XP laptop, one in PCmode doing the gprs connection, and the other in mass-storae mode (for now) Is there any way to get the 2nd N900 to share the connection used by the laptop through the first N900 ? | 20:55 |
| dre-samosir | up till few weeks ago there's no trouble with the hw keys. i guess it's the Ctrl/Sym key that's broken now. I can reach other blue keys with Fn | 20:55 |
| dre-samosir | so my N900 hw starts to break... sad... | 20:56 |
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| dre-samosir | I want to keep it for as long as possible because for me there's no other worthy replacement for N900 until now | 20:57 |
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| dre-samosir | not even N9, no HW keys | 20:57 |
| dre-samosir | =( | 20:57 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: sorry, but drivers belong in kernel, including any "please don't let Joe Random App bust my device" limitations | 21:02 |
| dre-samosir | okay so can I check/open HW keys of N900 by myself? | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | what got EC to do with drivers? | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe integrate gstreamer into kernel completely? | 21:04 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I didn't mean EC, I meant the highpass filter | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the highpass is a hickup of nokia, due to their APE-centric audio thinking¶digm. mixer/codec has absolutely fine filters | 21:06 |
| luke-jr | ? | 21:07 |
| luke-jr | you mean there's no risk of busting my speakers by just using ALSA directly as-is? | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, I mean this filter is a hardware function, not a sw function to implement in kernel by integrating signal processing | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia obvuously missed to exploit the codec digital filters | 21:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and implemented a last-minute bandaid to stop speaker busting shortly before release of N900 | 21:09 |
| jonwil | so the audio chip itself contains this special logic? | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course they did in PA, as the hw department wasn't involved at that stage, and obviously nobody at SW dept had a clue | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | mixer has digital filters (third time now) | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you call that "special logic" that's fine with me | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | OTOH we don't even know what XPROT really does | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | but for sure it doesn't belong into kernel | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | if only for the reals it's using | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing in kernel should use float/real | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing in kernel should do heavy signal processing on CPU either | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh, sorry, that's been jonwil who asked. | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: yes, the aic32 or whatever it's called has a nice set of parametric digital filters | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think the guy's nick was HCM, did some proper development | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas leading nopwhere as nobody picked up when the POC was ready | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think you see it nevertheless in some ALSA bits somewhere. Whenever there are long hex chunks for an ALSA parameter, that possibly is filter related | 21:19 |
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| dre-samosir | thanks jonwil, DocSrutinizer, Sicelo, guess I have to live with that keyboard for now... | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dre-samosir: you could disassemble and cheack and clean | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | check* | 21:38 |
| dre-samosir | oh thanks a lot DocScrutinizer51, I'll do that tomorrow and will tell you if I come up with something | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | get the service manual L1_2 | 21:40 |
| dre-samosir | huh? from where, DocScrutinizer51? | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | to access kbd you don't even need to open the philips screws | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | check wiki | 21:40 |
| dre-samosir | really? okay thanks | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | subsection hardware | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | there are links in there, on some page's top | 21:41 |
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| dre-samosir | will see | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry afk atm | 21:42 |
| dre-samosir | thanks, DocScrutinizer51 | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so no bookmarks here | 21:44 |
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| dre-samosir | no prob | 21:45 |
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| Macer | blah. putting this tmobile g2 back together has proven to be a serious pain | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: :) | 21:48 |
| Macer | heh | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It's always more fun than taking apart. | 21:48 |
| Macer | i couldn't help it.. it was whispering to me | 21:48 |
| Macer | taking apart a phone is easy.. just take out whatever screws you can find hehe | 21:48 |
| Macer | i did it like 3 months ago and kind of left it on my counter :) | 21:48 |
| dre-samosir | oh yeah, SpeedEvil, thanks. missed u up there=) | 21:49 |
| Macer | the memory of what i did kind of faded so it's more like a jigsaw puzzle now... i got the screen section put back togther tho.. with its stupid ribbon cable | 21:49 |
| Macer | the entire phone runs off 1 ribbon cable :) | 21:50 |
| Macer | that weaves its way through all the sections.. it's insane | 21:50 |
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| godtrunks | hi | 22:10 |
| godtrunks | i have a nokia n800 | 22:10 |
| godtrunks | can i update flash? | 22:10 |
| godtrunks | i try to whach something on youtube but no luck | 22:11 |
| godtrunks | any ideea? | 22:11 |
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| Sicelo | i bet your answer is No, You can't (i could be wrong, but i suppose i'm not) | 22:12 |
| godtrunks | i can't whatch video on youtube? | 22:12 |
| Sicelo | you can't upgrade flash | 22:13 |
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| godtrunks | can i do something to see vedeos on youtube? | 22:14 |
| godtrunks | i try with mobile version of you tube | 22:14 |
| godtrunks | but i have error format not suported | 22:14 |
| godtrunks | any ideea? | 22:14 |
| SpeedEvil | n800 - not 900? | 22:14 |
| godtrunks | n800 | 22:15 |
| SpeedEvil | There are users of the 800 around - wait around, and they may be abelt to answer | 22:15 |
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| godtrunks | ok. | 22:15 |
| godtrunks | my n900 is at warranty | 22:16 |
| godtrunks | they change it with an n8 | 22:16 |
| godtrunks | :| | 22:16 |
| godtrunks | that's crap | 22:16 |
| godtrunks | my 3-rd n900 | 22:17 |
| godtrunks | so with my n800? | 22:18 |
| godtrunks | any help? | 22:18 |
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| peterbjornx | guys, my NAND died i think | 23:00 |
| peterbjornx | kernel log: onenand_bbt_wait: ecc_error=0x2222 controller error 0x2400 | 23:01 |
| peterbjornx | Bad eraseblock 1513 at 0xb20000 | 23:02 |
| peterbjornx | Creating 0 MTD partitions on "omap2-onenand" | 23:02 |
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| peterbjornx | makes me wonder how it is still booting | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NAND has some "hidden" bad block management | 23:04 |
| peterbjornx | okay | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | without the context this logline is hard to interpete | 23:05 |
| peterbjornx | it occurs at boot | 23:05 |
| peterbjornx | maemo kernel without cpufreq and compiled in mmc, fbcon | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably completely normal then | 23:06 |
| peterbjornx | doesnt wanna mount or even recognize nand partitions | 23:06 |
| peterbjornx | creates no mtd devices | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, then not normal I guess | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | bad eraseblocks are xpected | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:07 |
| peterbjornx | as the log shows, creating <B>0</B> partitions | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno why | 23:07 |
| peterbjornx | any way to fix without chance of nuking bootloader or kernel? | 23:07 |
| peterbjornx | looks like the bad block had the partition map on it | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | reflash | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah | 23:08 |
| peterbjornx | i dont have usb | 23:08 |
| peterbjornx | my plan was to reflash using special kernel | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik there *is* no partiton map | 23:08 |
| peterbjornx | and mtd utils | 23:08 |
| peterbjornx | then how does it know rootfs,initfs,log,kernel,config,loader? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | partitioning kinda hardcoded to NOLO | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | which in turn passes it to kernel | 23:09 |
| peterbjornx | and how does the kernel get this information? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | via atags | 23:09 |
| peterbjornx | let me check config if i can force it to recognize partitions | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | now don't ask me what's atags | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 23:09 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, partitions are hardcoded into linux kernel | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | even there? | 23:10 |
| Pali | but also hardcoded into uboot | 23:10 |
| Pali | and in nolo | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:10 |
| Pali | in kernel it is somehere in board code | 23:10 |
| Pali | but nolo also pass it via special non standard atags | 23:11 |
| peterbjornx | so what makes my kernel ignore that and "make" no parts | 23:11 |
| Pali | (no idea if kernel using that parts atags) | 23:11 |
| peterbjornx | cause of 1 bad block | 23:11 |
| peterbjornx | any idea what source file its in | 23:11 |
| Pali | peterbjornx, going to find it | 23:11 |
| peterbjornx | 0bd20000 looks like its in rootfs part to me | 23:12 |
| peterbjornx | so that should be such a big issue | 23:12 |
| peterbjornx | also i think my headphone amp is dead | 23:14 |
| peterbjornx | tpa6130a2 : READ FAILED | 23:14 |
| peterbjornx | unexpected version 0x07 expecting 1 or 2 | 23:14 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, peterbjornx, in 2.6.28 nokia kernel is paritions received via atags | 23:19 |
| Pali | in upstream kernel (meego too) is paritions hardcoded | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | toldya | 23:20 |
| Pali | in nokia stock kernel is n900 paritions evaluated in function n800_flash_init in file: arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-n800-flash.c | 23:21 |
| Pali | really board-n800-flash.c | 23:21 |
| Pali | seems that this code was not touched since n800 | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite possible, we even have a completely obsolete unused intrd partition | 23:22 |
| Pali | was every n900 initfs partitions used? | 23:22 |
| Pali | *ever | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 23:22 |
| Pali | so why we have it?? | 23:23 |
| Pali | 4MB could go to rootfs | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | for same reason ;-D | 23:23 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer, partitions for n900 are hardcoded in NOLO | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's hardcoded to NOLO, to flasher, to whatnot else | 23:23 |
| Pali | do you think that NOLO was not touched too? | 23:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nobody planned to touch NOLO, flasher, kernel, and initscripts, and then take risk he forgot something | 23:24 |
| peterbjornx | so what might be causing it to ignore the partitions | 23:24 |
| Pali | NOLO | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yozr kernel not atag compatible? | 23:25 |
| Pali | could be | 23:25 |
| peterbjornx | rx51_defconfig | 23:25 |
| Pali | try to flash stock kernel | 23:25 |
| peterbjornx | with a few more compiled in thingys | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | wrong parameters set at compile time? | 23:25 |
| peterbjornx | what ones should i be checking for | 23:25 |
| Pali | do you flasing kernel or using uboot? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, btw, you'll run into size/space problems with some more thingies compled in to kernel | 23:26 |
| peterbjornx | im using uboot | 23:26 |
| peterbjornx | but i had mtd working before | 23:27 |
| Pali | do you reusing atags? | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | BZZZZZ | 23:27 |
| peterbjornx | ? | 23:27 |
| Pali | ITEM_USEATAG=1 | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | uboot lives in kernel partition | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | -> even less space for "thingies compiled in" | 23:27 |
| peterbjornx | im loading kernel from sd | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | uboot already massively crippled due to size limitations | 23:28 |
| peterbjornx | my kernel is 1.8mb | 23:29 |
| Pali | make sure you have ITEM_USEATAG=1 in your item file in u-boot | 23:29 |
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| peterbjornx | and ive messed with 2.8mb kernels without issues | 23:29 |
| Pali | if you have kernel in SD crad there size limit is 32MB | 23:29 |
| peterbjornx | i havent modified uboot | 23:29 |
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| peterbjornx | its the one from extras-devel | 23:29 |
| Pali | also are you using my last version of u-boot? | 23:29 |
| Pali | so no | 23:30 |
| Pali | then you cannot easy boot nokia kernel | 23:30 |
| peterbjornx | ? | 23:30 |
| Pali | use my last version which support passing atags | 23:30 |
| peterbjornx | cant flash :s | 23:30 |
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| peterbjornx | but i always couldd access mtd with this uboot | 23:30 |
| Pali | all versions in extras-devel has more problems | 23:31 |
| Pali | flash via flasher-3.5 | 23:31 |
| Pali | stock kernel | 23:31 |
| peterbjornx | cat /proc/atags yields: ATAT A<BLOCK>A<BLOCK> | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usb :-/ | 23:32 |
| peterbjornx | also, kernel doesnt do bootreason anymore on real hw | 23:32 |
| peterbjornx | works fine in qemu | 23:32 |
| Pali | bootreason come from noloa via atags too | 23:33 |
| peterbjornx | could it be that uboot nuked something when i tested a huge kernel (over 2mb) | 23:33 |
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| Pali | I think no | 23:34 |
| Pali | but no idea about old versions in extras-devel | 23:35 |
| peterbjornx | whats normal bootstate? | 23:35 |
| peterbjornx | at preinit its BOOT | 23:35 |
| peterbjornx | but when it executes events.d/dsme? | 23:35 |
| peterbjornx | USER? | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | FWIW: http://paste.debian.net/163346/ | 23:35 |
| peterbjornx | mines diffrent ant only 110bytes | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/163347/ | 23:37 |
| peterbjornx | ok bootstate USER makes it go into charging mode | 23:39 |
| peterbjornx | i put maemo on my sd again | 23:39 |
| peterbjornx | seems to be booting | 23:39 |
| peterbjornx | but my battery died | 23:39 |
| peterbjornx | and it went into charger mode | 23:39 |
| peterbjornx | i think im just going to have to live with a broken bootloader :s | 23:40 |
| peterbjornx | but still doesnt explain why it was working before | 23:40 |
| Pali | peterbjornx, try to run set this: setenv atags ${nolo_atagaddr} | 23:41 |
| peterbjornx | it has that | 23:41 |
| Pali | this is way how to reuse atags in old u-boot version | 23:41 |
| peterbjornx | when i type printenv it shows that atags is set to that | 23:42 |
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| Pali | if this does not working, not idea what to do | 23:42 |
| Pali | ok, now I'm going offline | 23:42 |
| peterbjornx | oh | 23:42 |
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| peterbjornx | it only does that for noloboot | 23:43 |
| peterbjornx | now i need to make a boot.cmd + fat partition on sdcard | 23:43 |
| peterbjornx | as my phone isnt in rdmode | 23:43 |
| peterbjornx | also ive been wondering for a while | 23:45 |
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| peterbjornx | what is the purpose of the flash hooked up to rapuyama | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it holds the cellmo FW? | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | modem is a complete ARM system, with own flash, own RAM, own CPU(s)... | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://gsmrapid.com/showthread.php?t=4957 | 23:57 |
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