IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-03-21

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szopeenwow sudo apt-get -purge kernel-power* went better than expected...00:05
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szopeenyeah, fingers crossed for reboot :)00:05
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sicelo_you're brave, lol. why didnmt you use the provided 'app'?00:06
infobotsicelo_ meant: you're brave, lol. why didn't you use the provided 'app'?00:06
szopeenlike I said 'Nokia kernel' app didn't remove it fully (prolly as installed using dpkg before it was on devel)00:06
szopeenas uboot conflicted had to do something00:07
sicelo_ah.. i wasnmt joined on chan when u said that :)00:07
szopeendidn't get many proposals, lets boot and see00:07
szopeenpenguin is there00:07
szopeenboots fine so far...00:08
szopeenhands connected00:08
sicelo_using Pali's uboot?00:08
szopeenlove nokia!00:08
szopeenseems to not conflict with backupmenu00:08
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szopeenboot succesfull00:08
szopeennow for nemo00:09
szopeenunless opening kbd screws uboot00:10
szopeen:/ gonna go with the flow00:10
sicelo_it shouldn't, aiui00:10
* sicelo_ loads kernel using flasher for now -- will go on to u-boot soon :)00:11
szopeenguys with ubuntu 12.04 seem to have best results with it00:11
sicelo_with what? flasher?00:12
szopeenwas planning multi for nit, but those are more interesting for me00:12
szopeenat least for now00:12
szopeengetting 12.04 kernel working with fremantle is the goal00:12
sicelo_ah :)00:12
szopeenor meego, or any other that would allow updating of glib/libc00:12
szopeendroid apps can wait I guess00:13
sicelo_nemo has 2.6.37 kernel00:13
sicelo_Linux fremantle 2.6.37-10.1.Nemo.Adaptation.N900-adaptation-n900 #1 PREEMPT Mon Jan 23 11:48:19 UTC 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux00:13
szopeenuntil angrybirds space come out00:13
szopeennit will be a must then00:13
szopeenshit this game is addictive as hell00:13
szopeenyeah, meego got .3500:14
sicelo_guess i'' not made for it - deleted it a week ago00:14
szopeenwith .37 we should be back if this doesn't introduce backwards incompatibility with crit components00:15
sicelo_so, is nemo booting fine?00:15
szopeenif it does, ofono is our only hope00:15
szopeengonna try it right now00:15
szopeenwill report back00:15
szopeengot a decent random rw card, hope it is usable speed00:16
sicelo_right now i'm running debian on this n900, with nemo's kernel and modules00:16
sicelo_gprs works with ofono ;)00:16
sicelo_i'm thusly connected atm00:16
szopeenheard calls also 'might'00:16
BCMMsicelo_: does it do phone calls?00:17
szopeenbut unconfirmed on ubuntu/n900 site00:17
szopeenneeds retesting, hope I can manage this and confirm/deny00:17
szopeennit is a dark alley it would seem in that regard00:17
sicelo_i didn't test well enough so far.. i'm more an internet person00:17
szopeenmaybe with 3.3(4) it would start working???00:17
sicelo_nop.. not so far00:18
szopeenthey finally upstreamed it seems00:18
sicelo_ssi interface still not implemented00:18
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sicelo_Linus is busy with Android these days, lol00:21
sicelo_i'm going to give Nemo a try one of these days :/00:23
NIN101calls do work with the nemo kernel, (obviously). I also played around on debian with ofono with it, and got calls working, but audio routing didn't work  As calls cost me money, I simply have no motivation to play around too much with them so...00:23
szopeencall support?00:23
szopeenshould be free00:23
szopeenif they hear you = works!00:24
szopeencomplain about audio quality if they do :P00:24
NIN101eh, what?00:24
szopeenask them to confirm00:24
szopeenfull test performed for 0$00:24
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NIN101anyway, night.00:26
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szopeendd finished (on mass storage) with cover closed and sd in place still booted fremantle00:48
szopeenany clues?00:49
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szopeendon't tell me 11.04 can't read this card???00:52
szopeenit looks like it, standard card inserted insta choose action dialog, this with adapter no response00:52
szopeenoh ffs00:52
szopeenso it's this or scratchbox lol00:53
szopeenok, no rw BM mode with uboot00:54
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szopeenmaybe from another device...00:55
szopeencya later00:55
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szopimwould having /dev/sdc and /dev/sdc1 indicate having 2 partitions? this would explain fremantle boot01:03
szopimgoing now through dd with backupmenu rw mode01:04
szopimbut it might be useless if that is the case01:04
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szopimwow, samsung got partitioning 4mb/rest from start01:08
szopimwait, does nemo/ubuntu etc boot from fat or ext?01:10
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szopimfuck it boots01:49
szopimwow nemo runs quite smoothly01:49
szopimneed to try with sim01:49
szopimnext step ubuntu#01:49
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szopnemoit works02:01
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szopimok coming back to irc doesn seem to work02:06
szopimmaybe cause of /msg02:06
szopimbut youtube did play sound oO02:06
szopimwonder if n9 flash could work with nemo02:08
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Hurrianszopim, you arent hit buy -110?02:35
infobotHurrian meant: szopim, you arent hit by -110?02:36
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juozapasthis bug still appear, i use latest version of CSSU. any solution ?09:06
povbotBug 8958: portrait layout for receiving call shown in landscape mode (-> no Reject button)09:06
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szopeenHurrian: what do you do on Welcome to ubuntu 11.10 slideshow?09:08
szopeenno x button, left and right navigation buttons loop the screens09:09
freemangordonjuozapas, landscape locked?09:10
freemangordonwell, unlock it then09:11
juozapasbut if i want to use it in landscape mode all the time ?09:12
szopeenoh shit oh shit oh shit... clicking on ask ubuntu link opened firefox... yay09:12
freemangordonjuozapas, disable forced rotation09:13
juozapaswhere i can t09:13
juozapasdo it ?09:13
freemangordons/disable/not enable09:13
juozapassorry, still cant find it09:15
freemangordonjuozapas, if forced rotation is not enabled, applications behave as in PR1.3. Only hildon-desktop,tasknav and application launcer rotate. But there is a gconf key to stop them to rotate09:15
juozapasok thx09:16
szopeenfreemangordon: the errata for thumb2 you mentioned, is there any reason it is not included in latest ubuntu for arm builds?09:19
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freemangordonszopeen, AFAIK kernel 3.2 which comes with the distribution has this errata enabled, don't as me why 2.6.35 kernel hast the errata disabled, better ask int_ua :)09:20
juozapasit will be nice to have contacts in portrait mode ...09:20
szopeenusing .37 still random segfaults09:20
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szopeenthis kernel has the errata, seems other parts not09:20
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freemangordonszopeen, the errata is only in kernel, what are those other parts?09:21
freemangordon*errata fix09:21
szopeenhmm, then not that09:21
freemangordonwell , it could be that09:21
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freemangordonas the workaround to take place, there should be access to some bits in coprocessor registers outside of the secure mode09:22
szopeenplaying with ubuntu 12.04 installer, sometimes boots, sometimes not, error messages between boots differ so was assuming this erratic behaviour could be because of it09:22
freemangordonand I am still not convinced n900 bootloader does not disable this access09:23
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freemangordonbut if you get hit by this errata, it is not segfault, but sigil that is the result09:24
freemangordonszopeen, could be09:24
szopeengot segfault when closing once, then fsck panicked09:24
szopeenubi-language crashed now, once ubi-console09:24
szopeentry again went through then, now it didn't. very erratic behaviour09:25
freemangordonseeing sigill anywhere?09:25
szopeenthose crashes are in desktop09:25
szopeennot sure how to alt-f1 :)09:25
freemangordonyeah :)09:26
freemangordonbut there are some logs afaik09:26
freemangordoncould you ssh into the device09:26
szopeenonce I get through language, timezone etc... ended up on welcome to 11.10(?) screen with no way to proceed09:27
szopeenjust looping screens about ubuntu one etc09:27
szopeendoubt sshd is setup at this stage09:27
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szopeenonce I get through language, timezone etc... ended up on welcome to 11.10(?) screen with no way to proceed09:28
szopeenjust looping screens about ubuntu one etc09:28
szopeendoubt sshd is setup at this stage09:28
szopeenmight need to battery-kill it and get logs from maemo bootup09:29
_freemangordonszopeen, are you sure 11.10 is thumb-compiled?09:29
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szopeenint_ua made a thread about 12.04, welcome intro mentions 11.10... no idea which is it right now09:30
_freemangordonI've tried ubuntu from int_ua's thread, NFC which version it is, but it crashes every now and then. But the kernel used to boot is 2.6.35, with thumb errata workaround disabled09:31
szopeenyou can choose .37 now09:31
_freemangordonand you chick in .confi that thumb errata workaround is enabled?09:32
szopeenand getting to the intro 3 times out of then, not sure how to get past it, but wifi networks are listed correctly that's one good news09:32
szopeennot yet09:32
szopeendon't have any way to run xterm09:32
_freemangordonwell, you should do it on your PC, looking at the kernel sources :)09:33
_freemangordonI don't think there is a way to check that on the device09:33
_freemangordonor there is?09:33
szopeenneed to disable numbers/special chars from my wifi to see if it connects :(09:33
szopeenno idea... mounting the sd from maemo would show?09:34
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szopeenyes I want my music with me, want to stay connected... go away!!!09:35
_freemangordonhmm, I don't think .config used to build the kernel is stored anywhere. could be wrong of course09:36
_freemangordonHurrian, thanks09:37
szopeenyay, went through, patience helps09:37
szopeenapplying changes09:37
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_freemangordonszopeen, could you check the file Hurrian pointed to if it has CONFIG_ARM_ERRATA_430973=y09:38
szopeenonce it finishes... triggers man-db atm09:39
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Hurrianfreemangordon, meego kernel is not compiled with thumb errata fix on09:40
szopeenusing nemo I believe09:40
_freemangordonWell, then someone should recompile it with errata fix on (if ubuntu is thumb compiled)09:41
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szopeenfuck yeah heard ubuntu bootup music... halted in the middle but yay asks for password09:41
szopeen11.10... int_ua got some explaining to do... still unity runs oO09:42
Hurrianbrb, gonna eat a tub of ice cream then work this kernel out09:42
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szopeenholy shit, it runs... somewhat... top and left menu flashed for a moment, now glorious desktop background.... dammit gotta run to work09:45
szopeenworst part is never know if it crashed or still working on something09:46
Hurrianmmkay, halfway through the tub. anyways, ubuntu with unity is kinda slow on the phone, we're clearly bottoming out on the ram09:47
szopeenhow do you disable it?09:47
Hurrianchange your session to ubuntu classis09:47
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szopeenoh, on the login page, right...09:48
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Hurrianif we can recompile unity-2d to use gles, that would be great09:48
szopeenwill give it a few minutes just in case it is finishing postinst09:48
Hurriani do not know how linaro does it09:48
Hurrianszopeen: you may want to check out linarobuntu09:49
szopeengnome/kde have gles support by any chance?09:49
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Hurriangnome 3's mutter has gles support but needs rebuilding09:49
szopeenlinarobuntu - noted09:50
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szopeenok, this unity boot is going nowhere, reboot time09:51
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szopeenat least shuts nicely09:52
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Hurrianit takes time to boot09:53
Hurriana lot of time09:53
szopeenor not... kernel panic :)09:53
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szopeenwould choosing dist upgrade get 12.04?09:56
szopeennext on the list then09:58
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Sicelosetup sshd and usb networking/wifi... will simplify things.10:01
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szopeenhmmm... no way to charge phone in off state with uboot?10:02
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szopeenat least not with sd inside10:03
szopeenstarts booting10:03
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_freemangordonTMO is down :). again ;)10:04
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szopin_whoa... now unity booted in around 1.5min10:27
szopin_all seems to work, though the main button that should list apps kind of not10:27
szopin_no icons displayed, settings opened fine, not even lagging that much10:27
szopin_update manager wants to install 259 packages lol10:28
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szopin_in ubuntu 2d seems bit faster (not sure) lock button doesn't work, got xterm finally... keymap is screwed10:35
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szopin_it is .35 after all10:36
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szopin_filename completion doesn't work even though ctrl-i skips few spaces like tab10:37
szopin_mc! what was the errata number?10:37
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Hurrian"ARM stale interworking branch prediction"10:38
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szopin_heh, no way to search for numbers10:40
szopin_arm appears four times though10:40
szopin_nowhere near anything like it10:40
szopin_the are two config files though... .35 from 3 march and 3.0 from oct both 201110:41
szopin_how can I check which is used?10:41
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szopin_ok, how to check without need for -a?10:48
szopin_a can be, the - is problematic10:48
Siceloi installed a vkb for stuff not on hwkbd by default...10:56
Sicelou could copy maemo's kbd config10:56
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szopin_onboard kina works: unaaaaammmmeeeeeee -------aaaaaaaaaa11:00
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szopin_got it, .3511:01
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szopin_surprisingly stable so far11:02
szopin_seems like once it boots it's fine, though 1 in 4 chance of that11:03
szopin_transmission 2.33 starts quickly, one solution to magnet links :)11:08
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szopin_but no way to get rid of unity, only choices ubuntu and ubuntu2d :(11:15
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MohammadAGtalk down?11:24
juozapaslooks like11:25
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Hurrianyeah, it's tits up, again11:27
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peetahMohammadAG and CSSU team: thanks for this new update and your hard work to keep this platform alive11:33
juozapasyeap thx11:33
juozapaswhere i can find changelog btw ?11:34
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psycho_oreoson wmo?11:35
MrPinguTMO down again -.-11:35
Hurrianthe amount of times it's down is starting to become worrying11:36
psycho_oreosthe more people requesting for a backup data of these sites the better. Someday it'll probably disappear for sure11:37
merlin1991juozapas: for now you can check the changelog on gitorious
merlin1991proper changelog on the wiki should be there by the end of the week11:39
juozapask thx11:39
MrPinguMay I ask why zoom is removed from HD?11:39
merlin1991b0rked and useless in the current state11:40
MrPinguI used to find it handy sometimes...11:40
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MrPingubut I didn't use it frequently11:40
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merlin1991in most cases you loose the ability to input, and there were bugs where h-d messed up completeley11:41
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MrPinguAh I see, I don't care much about it =) Thumbs up for the CSSU in general ^^11:42
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MrPinguNow TMO is down; How can I display SSID, wlan0 IP, and External IP through qbw?11:44
MrPinguEspecially SSID is giving me troubles11:45
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merlin1991some ark/grep/whatever over iwconfig?11:45
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MohammadAGpeetah: You're welcome :)11:46
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MrPinguI'm not a hero with awk, actually I can only melt scripts :P11:48
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MrPinguiwconfig wlan0 | grep ESSID:11:48
MrPinguseems to do it, but it displays the whole line11:48
psycho_oreosyou can use awk to narrow it down11:49
MohammadAGWhat's the whole line11:49
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MrPinguwlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID: "My SSID"11:50
gulyiwconfig wlan0 |grep ESSID |awk 'BEGIN {FS="\'"} {print $2} | sed s/'11:50
gulyor awk -F \'11:50
MrPinguwhat do you mean with that last?11:52
gulyignore that |sed :)11:53
guly-F flag sets FS11:53
MrPinguWell seems I have to read a bit more about awk, I really have half a clue what you are talking about11:54
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psycho_oreosiwconfig wlan0| grep ESSID| awk '{ print $5 $6 }'11:54
MrPinguHmmm you need $4 also ;)11:58
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MrPingubut then you got the ESSID: "My SSID"11:59
MrPinguwhile with $5 $6 You only get: SSID"11:59
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MrPinguAnyway thanks for your help, I have to go now12:07
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Psianyone know a commandline way to reset the data usage counter on n900?12:25
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ecksundo any changelog exist for 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo2.1 (CSSU)?13:01
ecksunoh, nvm, think i found it13:02
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Macerecksun: where is it13:48
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SiceloMacer: 11:40 < merlin1991> juozapas: for now you can check the changelog on gitorious
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Sazpaimonwhat does the +m5 bit usually mean for packages?13:52
Sazpaimonthat it's specifically compiled for fremantle?13:52
Sazpaimonbecause that logic seems to go out the window for harmattan13:52
Sazpaimonwho have now taken to labeling their packages, -maemo1+m6 then -maemo1+m713:53
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Sazpaimonsome random examples of harmattan packages: 2:1.9.5-meego1471+0m7, 1.0.13+0m813:54
Sazpaimon0m6? wtf13:55
Hurrianthe people who did maemo were probably gone, and the ones left had no clue what it was for13:55
Sazpaimonthen randomly:  2:5.1p1-2+harmattan31+0m713:55
MohammadAGThey were there for a reason13:56
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Sazpaimonyeah they were to show what maemo version the package was built for13:56
MohammadAGBFIH queue processing, or something13:56
Sazpaimonnow it looks like its all out the window13:56
merlin1991and then you have legacy "maemo 6" packages13:56
merlin1991and then it wasn't maemo anymore so any bump ended in +m7 ...13:57
Sazpaimonunless theyre randomly incrementing maemo releases and we're now on maemo 813:57
MohammadAGThey probably mean nothing now13:57
Hurrianor they're treating it like how ubuntu does updates, bumping the last, smallest number for small bugfixes13:57
Sazpaimonexcept a lot of these came from PR1.213:58
MohammadAGThat's how we do it in the cssu13:58
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Sazpaimon+0cssu1 is considered higher than +m6?13:59
Sazpaimonor +m513:59
MohammadAGWe add a .1 before that13:59
MohammadAGOr -113:59
Sazpaimonso you increase the debian patch and replace m5 with 0cssu114:00
Sazpaimoni dont know if thats the way ubuntu does it14:00
Sazpaimonthey usually leave the debian revision alone14:00
Sazpaimonat least if a package comes *from* debian14:00
MohammadAGThere's no cssu concept in Debian14:01
MohammadAGThere's ppa14:01
Sazpaimonit just makes it a little difficult when porting packages to maemo to follow a concise vesioning scheme14:02
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Sazpaimonlike, I labeled a package 1.0.1-1maemo1 because I took the debian version and made a maemo-specific patch14:04
Sazpaimonwhich I think is right14:04
Sazpaimonand my addition to the harmattan extras repository was declined because of that versioning14:04
Sazpaimon"Harmattan is maemo6, and not maemo1. Packages use m6 from the Nokia repositories as far as I can tell."14:04
Sazpaimoni'm ranting here because #harmattan is annoying sometimes14:05
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Sazpaimonif anything it should be 1.0.1-1maemo1+m6, but even then, the package will work fine on fremantle, and probably even diablo14:05
Sazpaimonsince its a regular terminal package with no gui14:05
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Sicelohmm, looks like i have a bad CA-101 now14:26
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pdanekHey guys15:17
pdanekis there any safe way to find out, which firmware is default for my N900 device?15:17
pdanekaccording to the IMEI, I can see it's UK device15:18
pdanekbut, can I be sure that UK firmware PR1.3 is the proper one and not for example global image?15:18
pdanekand, what is the actual difference between UK image and global image? I suppose both contain all languages right?15:19
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Sicelomost of us flash global anyway...15:21
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pdanekI see15:22
pdanek+, do I actually lose warranty with reflashing?15:22
pdaneksince I reflashed before, so now it doesn't matter15:23
Sicelono, you don't15:23
rlinfatii wanna sell my n800+n900 nit's ; i prefer give it to a floss hacker
pdanekcuz my GPS is broken, seems hw issue15:23
pdanekbut I want to reflash first to be sure15:23
Sicelowhat do u mean by 'broken'?15:23
pdanekfrom day to day, it won't find a location15:24
pdaneksearching and nothing is found15:24
pdanekI mean15:24
pdanekeverything worked flawlessly15:24
Sicelotry changing to
Sicelobefore you flash15:24
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Sicelorlinfati: so i can't buy it for my gf?15:26
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rlinfatiSicelo,  you can15:27
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rlinfatialso... is someone interested (or have ) in make a mirror of full repositories and sdk of maemo ? i wanna check my list of repositories and external script/file that are needed to make a full offline installation15:32
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edheldilI hope somebody does the mirror before Nokia pulls the plug15:34
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rlinfatii'm doing a local copy , i have all the diablo/fremantle sdk and now i'm mirroring the extras repository15:35
rlinfatibut are a lot of duplicate stuff as example the libqt4-gui in the cssu has 7 different versions .... and only we need the last one.15:37
pdaneklooks like helped15:37
edheldilpdanek:  yeah, I switched to it several months ago as well15:38
pdanekNokia isn't supposed to maintain
pdaneksince many of their N900 are still in warranty15:38
bindiit works on other devices afaik15:38
bindijust broke on maemo15:38
pdanekso Nokia service is officially suggesting solution?15:38
edheldilwell, it did not broke itself15:38
edheldilsomething / somebody had to break it15:39
Sicelowell put edheldil ;)15:39
pdanekwhat do they do, if I bring it to the service?15:39
pdanekthey change it to
pdanekbecause I can see that this is nice work-around for me, problem fixed15:41
pdanekbut I doubt that this is the way, how Nokia service is managing it :)15:41
pdanekto use source of another company15:41
pdanekhmm probably just some caches need to be cleaned15:44
Sicelowell, they don't 'official' support N900 anyway.. so forget about how Nokia service deals with it :P15:44
pdanekor firmware reflash may help, I will see, since I planned reflash anyway :)15:44
pdanekI have 2year warranty for N90015:44
Siceloreflash WONT help15:44
rlinfatireflash do not help15:44
StyXmanwhat is supl.m.o or supl.g.c for?15:44
pdanekA-GPS source servers I suppose15:45
pdanekA-GPS is network positioning15:45
pdanekhelps GPS to find your location faster15:45
StyXman'cause it sometimes take *ages*15:45
Sicelopdanek: if you take it to them, they'll say "Yeah, you still have some warrantly left. Here's a brand spanking new E7 for you. Goodbye. Next customer please"15:45
pdanekanyway, I still have like 7 months of European warranty on my N900, so I don't care they don't support it, if something happens, so they must either service it, or give me the money back right? :)15:46
pdanekI don't think law allows that15:46
pdanekexchange for another phone, if I don't agree with that15:46
pdanekthey must refund the money right?15:46
StyXmanhmm, I guess I need a data plan for that, right?15:46
pdanekyou do15:46
StyXman(or wifi access)15:47
Siceloyeah StyXman15:47
jaskatake new phone, drop new phone on floor, jump on it while they are watching?:)15:47
* Sicelo doesn't use a-gps anyway15:47
Sicelounassisted gps works well enough for me15:47
pdanekI didn't and location wasn't really found even after 2 mins.15:47
pdanekw/o agps15:47
jaskaatleast its not like n810, which takes like 24h for first fix15:48
pdanekbtw, I have another problem, althought not Maemo related, so sorry for offtopic15:48
pdaneksome small piece of metal was released in stylus hole of my N90015:49
pdaneknow the stylus doesn't really fit on it :)15:49
pdanekand I'm sure that no 3rd party item is stuck there, some part of N900 is stuck there15:50
Siceloi would panic.. risk of shorting something out15:50
Siceloopen it15:50
pdanekI suppose there's some kind of metal, spring, which does pressure on stylus, to fit in place15:50
Siceloget service docs from wmo15:50
pdanekand this one was released15:50
pdanekI wouldn't, I have warranty and I want new phone anyway lol15:50
pdanekgood days with N900 but the time is gone for me, browser is slow, dispaly is small :)15:51
pdanekbut it's still great phone, no doubt15:52
Sicelowell, good luck with warranty15:52
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pdanekI'll see15:52
pdanekanyway, thanks for AGPS help15:52
pdanekjust a small note15:53
pdanekbefore taking into the service center15:53
pdanekdo you advise original UK image, or it doesn't really matter?15:54
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Sicelodoesn't matter. all images are official15:58
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t_s_ohuh, changing a Maemo4 bug status because of Maemo5?!18:55
t_s_oah, the connection widget license. "never mind" then...18:56
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DocScrutinizer2pdanek, exactly20:25
DocScrutinizer2for the spring20:25
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ed_bonerhello freeman!20:28
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ed_bonerhello to all..20:33
_freemangordoned_boner, hi20:34
ed_boner...hi freeman..i got here:)...whatsup?20:34
_freemangordonwell, you tell me :)20:35
_freemangordonanyway, can you try to open the camera lid without OC?20:35
ed_bonerwell..i think you have read my problems20:35
_freemangordonI think so, maybe I have missed some part20:36 got to take it easy on me...i am just a designer...what is oc?20:36
_freemangordonAIUI, every time you open the camera lid you got a reboot20:36
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_freemangordonaah, OC stands for overclock20:36
_freemangordonso, move your /etc/default/kernel-power to a safe place and reboot the device20:37
ed_bonerso...i dont know how to mess with profiles so i have always your dsp profile enabled, that sounds good?20:37
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_freemangordonenabled as in?20:37
_freemangordonhoe do you enable it?20:37
ed_boneris the profile i have as default20:37
ed_boneri default dsp..20:38
_freemangordonok, so, open xterm, sudo gainroot20:38
_freemangordoncd /etc/default20:38
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_freemangordonmv kernel-power kp.bak20:39 i have now a backup20:39
_freemangordonnow power off the device20:40
_freemangordon..and power it on20:40 this your job?linux or whatever?20:40
ed_boneru sure are a pro20:40
_freemangordonwell, I am a developer, linux is just a part of the OS-es i am developing for20:41
ed_boneru work in a major company?20:41
szopeennot many dev jobs entail kernel hacking though20:41
ed_bonerok..its on20:42
_freemangordonszopeen, I am blessed to have knowledge in both HW ad SW20:42
_freemangordoned_boner, now open the lid20:42
_freemangordoned_boner, BTW i don't see any crash in /dev/mtd2 produced by KP50. That is very strange.20:43
_freemangordonwhile there is a lot from KP4920:44
ed_boneri have many troubles with k49..mainly because of fking speedpatch i know that now20:44
szopeenactually cannot think of a single company that would put that in job description, maybe chinese tablet makers for droid driver development20:44
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szopeenor maybe dev for ubuntu20:45
_freemangordonszopeen, kernel is not so different from userland (at least for me)20:45
ed_bonerwith that value change u recommended in your pm the crashes seem less frequent..20:45
ed_bonerbut yes...20:45
ed_bonerjust tested happened ahain20:45
szopeenother distros don't really offer jobs and work on community coop afaik20:45
_freemangordoned_boner, how long it takes from opening the lid to restart?20:46
szopeen_freemangordon: yeah, bulgaria brought quite a few hackers up :)20:46
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_freemangordonszopeen, that was a long time ago, now I see only script-kids20:46
szopeenthey all moved to states20:47
ed_bonerjust made the test again after the crash opening the lid with the phone horizontal and all is ok20:47
_freemangordoned_boner, you had to start with that from the begining20:47
_freemangordonI am able to reproduce the same here :)20:48
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szopeenbtw, int_ua is going to patch his script for nemo .37, so thumb2 should be fixed20:48
_freemangordonwith correct bug description20:48
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ed_bonerhehe..damn...not much objective..sorry20:48
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ed_bonerok...sorry about that then...anyway..good to know i am not alone and that now that you see it you can help20:49
_freemangordoned_boner, thanks, but seems it is not a bug in KP, but in xorg or whoever knows. Anyway, I will look into it.20:49
ed_bonerok...thank you freeman20:49
ed_bonerand...about the red light...20:49
_freemangordonwontfix :)20:49
ed_boneryou also get a = in every reboot?20:49
_freemangordonmake a script in /etc/event.d20:50
ed_bonera 020:50
* int_ua got into chroot to try installing Nemo kernel from RPMs just seconds before the mention20:50
_freemangordontake some of the existing for example20:50
ed_boneran...i am getting lost now...are you still talking to me?20:51
_freemangordonint_ua, so we now have kernel with thumb errata workaround fixed?20:51
_freemangordoned_boner, yeah, I was talking to you20:51 want me to go to /etc/event.d in filebox and do what?20:51
_freemangordoned_boner, google a bit, ok?20:52
_freemangordonor ask on TMO, I really am running out of time :)20:52
_freemangordon*I am really20:52
ed_bonerok, ok, sorry to bother then, and tks for the help...20:53
ed_boner..this is a strange world.yhe coding world and everything is strange to me, so i am a bit slow20:53
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ed_boneranyway...can i get the red light permanently disabled?...even after reboot? if u have some time maybe you could post some tut on the forum20:54
ed_bonerfor hipernoobs like me:D20:55
ed_bonerthanks for all your help, see you, bye20:57
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int_ua_freemangordon: I will (dist-upgrade in process) try to install Nemo kernel on Ubuntu 12.04 right now, but I'm not sure that it will install or even boot right now.21:02
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szopeenthat was strange21:17
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szopeennot sure if anything got through: mitm attacker didn't set routing for login page where you enter password on a pub network, initial dauth leave two clients reconnecting, one sends 2x more packets than the other, would assumption that it is the attacker be correct?21:18
int_uaszopeen: The previous conversation was about KP50, why did you mentioned Nemo kernel?21:18
szopeenint_ua: it got thumb2 errata21:19
szopeenshould make the boots stable21:19
szopeenmost likely culprit in the fails of ubuntu bootups21:19
int_uaszopeen: But I'm doing it in Ubuntu and the talk was about Maemo, was it?21:20
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szopeengot 11.10 running quite ok with your script but random reboots did occur21:20
szopeennemo kernel could fix that21:20
szopeenseen your patch post at work, fingers crossed so hard it hurts21:21
int_uaszopeen: oh, ok, got it :)21:21
szopeenwith ofono this could be awesome, speed is very impressive21:21
szopeenand catalogue even more21:21
int_uaszopeen: dist-upgrade is still running (almost typed "ruining")21:22
szopeenthey got everything arm ready21:22
szopeenhope to test it tonight21:22
szopeentakes a while (got 1.5h late for work:)21:22
int_uaszopeen: Well, I can push new revision right now if you want21:23
int_uabut it's still untested21:23
szopeenwill do the testing :)21:23
szopeenbtw, would using predownloaded packages be possible?21:24
szopeenwould shorten the test time quite a bit21:24
int_uaszopeen: yes, just place it into the files/ dir21:24
szopeendownloading them once per config/revisio would save some time21:24
szopeenalright, awesome21:24
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int_uaszopeen: you meant RPMs, right?21:25
szopeenand debs from buntu21:25
szopeenso far ran your script once, so no idea, maybe it does it already21:26
int_uaszopeen: pushed revision 5821:26
szopeenyay! thanks!21:26
int_uaszopeen: yes, it does :)21:26
int_uaszopeen: But I didn't try Nemo part myself yet.21:26
szopeennvm what I said then, was expecting another couple hours (no idea, fell asleep, hence the work-late as morning finish)21:26
szopeenwill report as soon as get through it (once I get home)21:27
szopeenshould be doable from N900-N900 setup, could test at work21:28
szopeenskip the desktop intermediary altogether :)21:28
szopeenhmm... would it be possible to run your script on N900?? no need for second N900 come to think of it21:30
int_uaszopeen: But chroot doesn't work on N900 :(21:30
int_uaszopeen: CTCP PING? Gone reading about it)21:30
szopeenwait, does it require 12.04 for proper sd preparation?21:31
int_uaAre you talking about desktop?21:31
szopeenbeen doing it on .04 as the latest SB compatible21:31
int_uaWhy would it need 12.04? Actually PanzerSajt had problems with chroot in 12.04_x6421:33
int_uaI'm using 11.1021:33
szopeenif it DLs all items is puts on SD, if the tools are available should be possible on the N900 itself21:34
szopeennot sure what chroot problems would be there, hardly know anything about that21:34
szopeenthought it might... oh wait, wrong architecture, of course it shouldn't require 12...21:35
int_uait's something about ELF formats difference AFAIU21:35
szopeentoo tired to think properly, 3h of sleep yet again21:36
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int_uaszopeen: What is "SB compatible"?) Did I miss something?21:36
szopeendidn't install for me on 11.1021:37
szopeenworked flawlessly on .04, so keeping that on desktop21:37
szopeenjust in case a opensource cow that doesn't need opengl shows up21:38
szopeencompiling some apps can take 10+ hrs on device21:38
szopeen4h spent to save equal amount on first cow encountered21:40
szopeenand hoping more in the future, currently at -4h balance :)21:40
szopeengoing semi afkish21:41
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DocScrutinizerhi javispedro21:53
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int_uaszopin|afk: What makes appending "afk" better than /AWAY command?22:03
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szopin|afknot sure what is the difference?22:05
szopin|afkwas /away command available 10yrs ago?22:05
szopin|afklast time I was using irc more than rare ask a question to dev case scenario that followed22:05
szopin|afkhow do I /unaway btw?22:06
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int_uadon't know, I'm using IRC less then a year myself)22:06
int_ualet me check22:07
int_uaand it's still upgrading...22:08
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Siceloint_ua: /away .. don't put any arguments22:15
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szopin|afk /back keeps me greyed out :/22:24
szopin|afkwas a test22:24
szopin|afkoh wait22:24
szopin|afkit worked22:24
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binditotally stole that from somewhere22:29
bindibut much easier to remember22:29
int_uabindi: That was rude22:30
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bindiint_ua: what was?22:31
int_uapre-away nick on the page22:31
bindinot mine :D22:32
Sicelotrue that DocScrutinizer ;)22:33
int_uabindi: And you can't change it?22:34
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bindiint_ua: nah, cba22:42
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DocScrutinizerit's ruthlessly stolen and copied anyway, now when he changes it, it looks like he's trying to hide the fact ;-D22:44
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bindiyes indeed22:45
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szopin|afksoooo, my gf said the incredible machine is now angry birds22:59
szopin|afkthere are similarities, but... why was this game not renewed?23:00
szopin|afkis current gamer expected just to click mindlessly23:00
szopin|afkoh wait, anyone got tim running in dosbox? mouse problems prolly make it impossible23:01
DocScrutinizeris that just me, o is all your comment missing a bit of context so other might get on track with your story?23:02
PaliDocScrutinizer, do you know if there is a way how to get omap bootreason and rx51 revision without NOLO atags?23:03
DocScrutinizerIOW: "the incredible machine is now angry birds" doesn't make much sense to me, "there are similarities" between what? and what'S that clicking mindless stuff?23:04
DocScrutinizerPali: probably not at all23:04
DocScrutinizeractually NFC where bootreason comes from, though I guess it has to be some flag stored to RAM (of any kind, even in cmos clock"23:06
szopin|afkdoc: TIM figuring how tol get mouse to cheese, basketball in hoop for hours23:06
szopin|afkmy gf: angrybirds have similar levels23:06
szopin|afkrequiring thinking and tweaking by user23:06
szopin|afkvs wow etc click more to get an achievement medal23:06
szopin|afkthat's the similarity23:06
DocScrutinizerfor RX51rev prolly from CAL23:06
szopin|afklack of expectation of user creative input/insight23:07
szopin|afkgames now have to be finished by halfwits clicking long enough, not thinking23:07
DocScrutinizermhm, once I get the catch that "the incredible machine" == tim = a game... it starts to make a bit more of sense23:08
szopin|afksorry bout that23:08
int_uaAnyone knows where does alien gets accepted architectures? Will APT Arch suffice to force converting?23:08
szopin|afkstill discussing23:08
PaliDocScrutinizer, so revision is only some string stored in CAL?23:09
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szopin|afkinteresting comparison for me, AB got a lot of randomness but a lot of tim planning, quite proud of my gf (and thne fact she played tim:)23:09
Paliwhy there is some string which can be changes? :D23:09
Palior why is rev string needed?23:09
DocScrutinizerhmm, some apps are multi-platform23:10
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DocScrutinizerLP5523 driver has some special tweaks for pre-summit devices IIRC23:11
DocScrutinizerthere may be other places where it's needed23:11
DocScrutinizerPali: anyway I'm not aware of any hw bits for rev encoding23:13
DocScrutinizerunlike e.g. on Neo FR23:13
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PaliI'd like to include some atags directly in u-boot instead reusing from NOLO23:13
DocScrutinizerwhere we had 3 GPIO for hw rev, and ran out of numbering range with rev A823:13
DocScrutinizeronce you understood how atags work, you probably can do. I got NFC again about that stuff, just know they exist ;-)23:14
DocScrutinizerbootreason however might also be a genuine BL thing, derived from direct polling of HW (GPIO to powerbutton etc). Might already be too late to detect that when you enter uBoot after NOLO23:16
DocScrutinizerbootreason WD for example probably gets reset as soon as NOLO re-initialized WD23:17
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DocScrutinizerooh, bootreason (RTC-)ALARM, a nice one I never tested23:21
DocScrutinizershould exist23:21
DocScrutinizerat least I tested that it works23:22
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PaliDocScrutinizer, it is really possible to set up RTC to start phone at specific time??23:23
Paliis there some app for that?23:24
DocScrutinizerset an alarm, and power down23:24
DocScrutinizerstock clock23:24
Paliwow, I did not tried it...23:24
DocScrutinizerI did, or I dreamt I did23:24
PaliI did not know about it...23:24
Siceloworks on nearly an phone :)23:25
Palialarm clock is handled by alarmd daemon which is opensource23:25
Palimaybe it can be used for other stuff too23:25
DocScrutinizerI'd guess alarm clock has a special function to set RTC ALARM23:26
DocScrutinizernot related to alarmd23:26
DocScrutinizerbut I'm not sure about that23:26
DocScrutinizeryou may test with alarmed easily23:26
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PaliDocScrutinizer, in kernel source code is bootreason readed from atag, but there is TODO section: Read the boot reason from the OMAP registers23:34
Paliso maybe it is possible, but nokia removed some proprietary bits...23:34
Palineed to ask some omap guru about omap registers...23:35
DocScrutinizer51errr... yes23:35
DocScrutinizer51or read SPRUF98D23:36
Paliread what?23:36
Paliah, you mean omap35x technical reference23:38
PaliI already have it :-)23:38
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DocScrutinizeryou also read it, completely? ;-P23:39
Palifunny :D23:39
DocScrutinizerand compared to SPRUF98F, SPRUF98E etc?23:39
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MrPinguFound a command for displaying SSID through qbw on TMO =)23:51
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