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ShadowJKkillall -11 browserd ; /etc/init.d/tablet-browser* start seems to only work once on diablo03:32
ShadowJK(for forcing garbage collect without losing open browser windows)03:32
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sLumPiais this the best howto to follow up to use n900 as wifi hotspot?06:04
sLumPiahttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_ad_hoc_wifi_hotspot06:04
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Sazpaimoncan we please PLEASE turn off colors and bold fonts on TMO06:41
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Sazpaimonive had it with people like qorax randomly making his text blue06:42
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Sazpaimonive actually had it with qorax in general06:42
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Hurriananyone else used that NOLO color changer script?13:24
Hurrianit's really, really neat13:24
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Sicelowhich one is it Hurrian ?14:44
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Hurrian@Sicelo the newest one in the NOLO thread15:07
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sLumPiacan we use n900 as a modem in linux?15:23
jacekowskiyes15:23
merlin1991sLumPia: yes15:23
merlin1991it has obexd running15:23
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merlin1991it's actually easier on linux than on windows :D15:23
sLumPiamerlin1991: what linux did u use, ubuntu?15:24
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merlin1991it worked for me on ubuntu and debian15:27
sLumPiai'm not using ubuntu15:28
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merlin1991depending on your kernel modules it should just work15:30
sLumPiai'm using 2.6.3815:31
sLumPiawhich module i should compile on the kernel?15:32
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Hurrianphonet15:46
HurrianDevice Drivers -> Network -> USB Network Adapters15:47
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sLumPiai cant find phonet15:54
sLumPiado you mean usbnet?15:54
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Palilxp1, can you recompile wl1251 packet injection driver against kernel-power pre50?16:06
lxp1yes i can recompile it tomorrow or maybe already this night16:08
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sLumPiaok, my linux box have detected n90016:17
sLumPiai follow this guide: http://dartarrow.net/using-nokia-n900-as-a-modem/13716:18
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sLumPiabut when i run wvdial, it said cant open /dev/ttyACM016:19
sLumPiahow do i know which tty n900 got?16:20
merlin1991maybe you find some info in dmesg?16:20
DocScrutinizerHurrian: linkie?16:21
Hurrian@Doc: wdym16:23
sLumPiamerlin1991: nothing in dmesg16:24
DocScrutinizer[2012-02-18 14:07:03] <Hurrian> @Sicelo the newest one in the NOLO thread16:24
DocScrutinizerHurrian: here's anti-tmo16:25
Hurrianah16:25
DocScrutinizerso not everybody knows about every new tmo thread16:25
Hurrianhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75504&page=316:25
DocScrutinizerthanks16:26
Hurrianif you can't get the image size small enough, use gimp to save an indexed bmp file, then save that one as rgb565.16:26
Hurrianoh, and the color switch is misleading.16:27
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Hurrian-c 0000 is black, FFFF is white, and I have no clue as to using other colors.16:27
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Hurriani tried using 0000000000000000 a few times, wondered why it didnt work16:29
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DocScrutinizerYAY, I don't even dare to look into http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1165831&postcount=29 to find how bad it is16:42
DocScrutinizerAIUI NOLO lives in NAND which has inband bad block management, I bet this tool never heard of16:43
Hurrianit uses flasher16:43
DocScrutinizeras robbiethe1st about 1st version beckupmenu if you dunno what I'm talking about16:43
DocScrutinizerOOH, ok then16:44
Hurrianit apparently has a NOLO image built into it (legally questionable) which it copies to tmp and modifies, then feeds it to flasher16:44
DocScrutinizerhehehehe16:44
Hurrianthen again, that qgil exception16:44
DocScrutinizernot only *legally* highly questionable16:44
DocScrutinizerI wonder what it will do to my highly customized proprietary NOLO ;-P16:45
Hurrianthe only thing that I would ask as a mod to NOLO is to reattach the testicles16:46
Hurrianuhh, enable configuration16:46
DocScrutinizercharging charging charging charging charging charging charging charging charging charging charging16:46
Hurrianthere are so many backward things in the n900 just to load a different system16:46
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Hurrian@DocScrutinizer, flat battery recovery?16:47
merlin1991wut "highly customized propietary nolo?" wtf?16:47
DocScrutinizerand OF COURSE configure location of "kernel"16:47
DocScrutinizerand whatever "cmdline" (or what it's here)16:47
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: the one O got from Steve Jobs for my 75th birthday16:48
DocScrutinizers/O/I/16:48
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: merlin1991: the one I got from Steve Jobs for my 75th birthday16:48
merlin1991Oh I thought it was a handout from elop to calm you down16:48
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DocScrutinizerit was a handout from Steve to shut Elop down16:49
DocScrutinizeror shoot?16:49
DocScrutinizerXP16:49
DocScrutinizerwhatever, I already helped to prepare modded NOLOs16:50
DocScrutinizerso you could reasonably expect to find some on N90016:50
DocScrutinizerso not a brilliant idea when one mod kills the other mod16:51
DocScrutinizeranyway...16:51
DocScrutinizermeh16:51
merlin1991well16:51
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Hurrianhmm, i wonder who uploaded that aes-hw enabled NOLO16:52
DocScrutinizerI'd just friggin bloody wanna know if NOLO tries to boot from "initrd" empty mtdpart16:53
DocScrutinizerand if so, what to place there exactly to make it actually start that16:53
Hurrianit doesnt feed the initrd to the maemo kernel.16:53
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Hurrianif you wanted to try to flash an initrd, try looking into what worked for the old internet tablets16:54
Hurrianiirc the FS is jffs216:54
DocScrutinizeryep16:54
DocScrutinizersure16:54
DocScrutinizerI idly pondered if uBoot could live in "initrd" rather than steal space from "kernel"16:55
Hurrianyou /could/ put a jffs2 driver into uboot.bin that's stuck to the kernel, and have that uboot load another uboot from initrd16:56
DocScrutinizerseems like a completely reflash-transparent and rather unlimited by size-restrictions way to get a custom BL16:56
Hurrianthat said uboot could contain lots of fun stuff, like backupmenu, or a grub-like menu to change kernel configs on the fly16:56
DocScrutinizerHurrian: which defeats my purpose as given last line :-)16:56
Hurrianisn't initrd not reflashed?16:57
DocScrutinizeryes that's the point16:57
Hurrianthe only thing you have to reflash is the kernel if you did a COMBINED16:57
DocScrutinizerso *IF* NOLO would load anything from this mtdpart, it would survive even reflashing16:58
Hurrianwell, we don't know how it's going to do so16:58
Hurrianso a nice thing would be just to use uboot to load a bigger u-boot16:58
DocScrutinizermaybe, not really nice though16:59
Hurrianit's hacky, but it can't be helped16:59
Hurriani mean, the double launch code only has to kick in if it sees a u-boot system on initrd16:59
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DocScrutinizerit possibly could, IF someone finally RE'd friggin NOLO to understand what exactly it does17:00
DocScrutinizeralso wasn't there a NEW NOLO with errr... pr1.2?17:01
Hurrianyes, there was17:01
Hurrianno one knows what exactly it changes, though]17:01
DocScrutinizerI got an idea17:01
DocScrutinizercloudy idea though17:01
DocScrutinizerit handles some stuff around security features17:02
DocScrutinizersecure mode17:02
DocScrutinizeraka (BLAERGHHH!) aegis17:02
Hurriann900 has jack shit for security though17:02
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DocScrutinizeras stskeeps et all AIUI were mad enough to think mer/meegoCE needs this bullshit too17:03
Hurrianwat17:03
Hurrianwat17:03
DocScrutinizeror a similar shit17:03
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merlin1991thought in the end mer / meegoCE had none of it17:04
Hurrianthey barely have the hw resources to run anything17:04
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Hurrianthe last thing they need is selinux/tomoyo hooking into shit indiscriminately17:05
DocScrutinizerwell, or maybe the original xloader/NOLO combo of N900 didn't even care about dropping secure mode so you could run whatever you want in secure mode on N900 XP17:05
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Hurrianwho cares? even if secure mode is on, ARM Trustzone is not configured17:06
Hurrianand who would know how to configure that?17:06
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DocScrutinizerthanks to absolutely closed nature of NOLO (incl changelog) we never really will know17:06
DocScrutinizerI just wonder how stskeeps came to think we need new NOLO XP17:07
Hurrianthe problem is that we can't configure the damn thing17:07
DocScrutinizerquite obviously sth that hit them during development of meegoCE for N917:08
Hurriana large part of preinit seemingly can be configured to launch some form of built in menu, if nolo had it turned on17:08
DocScrutinizerthat's linux land17:08
DocScrutinizerand bootmenu/backupmenu already using this since decades17:09
Hurrianjust saying, apparently nolo config was stripped late into N900 dev17:10
DocScrutinizerhmm, nfc if NOLO *ever* had a way to config it17:10
HurrianNITs17:10
DocScrutinizerN8x0 NOLO loaded a initrd that probably not even cared about standard kernel?17:11
DocScrutinizerthat'S where out N900 unused "imitrd" mtdpart comes from17:11
DocScrutinizerour*17:12
Hurrianindeed. apparently nokia decided 2MB was enough for all absolutely required kernel modules to be built into kernel.17:12
DocScrutinizer:nod:17:13
DocScrutinizerwhich now bites our back ith PK + uBoot17:13
Hurrianwith that, initrd was no longer needed for maemo booting.17:13
Hurrianwell, they didn't really read tmo, with the impressive uses for that initrd space.17:13
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DocScrutinizerI finally have to wrap my head around kernel cmdline vs atags17:14
DocScrutinizerall that is so incredibly messed up17:15
DocScrutinizerkernels with hardcoded cmdline17:15
DocScrutinizerNOLO that can change cmdline but doesn't have any effect n boot17:16
sLumPiathis is my dmesg:17:16
Hurrianhttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.arm/browse_thread/thread/8c5575ac13f8da64?pli=117:16
sLumPia# cat ../tmp/dmesg17:16
HurrianTypical things that can be passed are MAC17:16
Hurrianaddress of the box, initrd info etc.,17:16
Hurrianinteresting.17:16
DocScrutinizersLumPia: eeh?17:17
sLumPiausb 1-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 717:17
Hurrianhttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/6716071/cortex-a9-boot-and-memory17:17
sLumPiacdc_ether 1-3:1.8: usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:12.2-3, CDC Ethernet Device, 8e:ed:74:0f:ec:7d17:17
Hurrian"You can use both the traditional linux command line to tell linux boot information like what address to find the root file system, and ATAGs. Atags are structures in memory that I think r0 or something like that is set to when you branch from the bootloader to linux. The general concept though is the chip powers up, boots from rom or ram, if prepares ram so that it is ready to use, linux might17:17
Hurrianwant/need to be copied from rom to ram, the root file system, if separate, might want to be copied to somewhere else in ram. ATAGs are prepared to tell arm where to decompress linux if need be, as well as where to find the command line and or where to find things like the root file system, some registers are prepared as passed parameters to linux and lastly the bootloader branches to the address17:17
Hurriancontaining the entry point in the linux kernel. "17:17
sLumPiaudev[4062]: renamed network interface usb0 to n90017:17
DocScrutinizersLumPia: please don't post random stuff without context here - also watch out for max-pasteline-policy which is ~3 concecutive lines, otherwise use pastebin please17:18
Hurrianhmm, so the N900 is probably only passing load addresses using atags17:19
Hurrianseeing as it is necessary for the nemo kernels to boot17:20
sLumPiaDocScrutinizer: sorry. previously i was trying to connect n900 as modem on linux17:20
Hurrianthe root file system etc is passed using cmdlines.17:20
DocScrutinizer~pastebin17:20
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.17:20
DocScrutinizersLumPia: please understand that experts might be interested in exactly those log lines you kicked out as you thought are irrelevant17:21
DocScrutinizersLumPia: your last quote gives a good hint though (you might have picked right logline :-D):  udev[4062]: renamed network interface usb0 to n90017:24
DocScrutinizersee if there's "/dev/n900"17:25
DocScrutinizerif there is, use that interface for wvdial17:25
DocScrutinizermay or may not work17:25
sLumPiathat's what i thought, but there was no /dev/n90017:26
DocScrutinizerprobably not as it seems to be cdc_ether rather than cdc_phonet17:26
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DocScrutinizerfind /dev -iname "*900*" -ls17:27
DocScrutinizerfind /dev -iname "*usb*" -ls17:27
sLumPiahttp://pastebin.com/fJyaBHMs17:28
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sLumPiasorry, i'm running xchat from n90017:28
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sLumPiaif i want to connect n900 as modem in linux, iirc i need to disconnect 3g connection on n90017:29
sLumPiawhich mean, i got to quit xchat17:29
DocScrutinizeryup17:29
DocScrutinizersLumPia:17:29
DocScrutinizerhttp://webchat.freenode.net/17:30
sLumPiayes?17:30
DocScrutinizeryou want to use same or similar nick ;-D17:30
sLumPiai have xchat on my linux, it just i dont have internet connection right now17:32
DocScrutinizerooh17:32
sLumPiathat is why i want to connect n900 to my pc17:33
DocScrutinizeryes, gotit17:33
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sLumPiabrb17:34
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DocScrutinizerudevadm monitor might be a friend of yours17:34
DocScrutinizerwonder if (s)he seen last post of mine17:35
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sLumPiaDocScrutinizer: find result: http://pastebin.com/egtPFiN217:46
sLumPiawvdial http://pastebin.com/2iFVPeC817:46
DocScrutinizerno *900* find?17:47
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sLumPiaups, sorry. there is: /dev/.udev/db/net:90017:49
DocScrutinizeryeah, but doesn't really work17:49
sLumPiayup, wvdial say inappropriate ioctl for device17:50
DocScrutinizeryou most likely should see a "new" ttyACM or ttyUSB in your /dev/17:50
DocScrutinizeror /dev/*/17:50
DocScrutinizerudevadm monitor, prior to plugin, might yield some hints17:51
DocScrutinizerbtw if there's anybody more knowledgeable around and just lurking: please kick in, I'm basically clueless on this topic17:52
DocScrutinizermaybe your udev rules even rename it to /dev/modem or whatever17:54
StyXman_network interfaces are not devces from a linux perspective, they don't appear in /dev17:55
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sLumPiaalso, i have this udev rule on my pc: http://pastebin.com/i87wsT8p18:02
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sLumPiaStyXman_: so i should left Modem=  in my wvdial.conf?18:04
StyXman_sLumPia: it should be a modem device, /dev/ttyUSB0 or something like that18:05
Sicelo/dev/ttyACM018:07
sLumPiathere is no /dev/ttyACM0 or /dev/USB0 on my /dev18:08
sLumPia:(18:08
Siceloi have 2.6.32 kernel here.. and it's /dev/ttyACM0 .. i can talk to it via minicom18:10
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Sicelo[ 7144.058234] cdc_acm 1-3:1.6: ttyACM0: USB ACM device18:11
Sicelo[ 7144.063416] usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_acm18:11
Sicelo[ 7144.064440] cdc_acm: v0.26:USB Abstract Control Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters18:11
sLumPiai'm using 2.6.38 kernel18:11
Sicelou don't have a line like the 3 above?18:11
sLumPiathis is my dmesg: http://pastebin.com/iTpgmQaM18:12
StyXman_maybe you forgot to load a module?18:13
Sicelormmod cdc_ether; modprobe cdc_acm18:13
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sLumPiai dont have cdc_acm module18:15
sLumPiawhere is it?18:15
Sicelothat's your point of fail then. u need to find one for your distro. i'm using Debian Squeeze. try 'modinfo cdc_acm'18:16
Sicelodescription:    USB Abstract Control Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters18:17
sLumPiaok, found it18:20
sLumPiacompiling kernel. wish me luck18:20
Sicelogentoo?18:20
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sLumPiayup18:23
Sicelo:)18:25
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DocScrutinizerhah :-D18:27
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DocScrutinizertbh I never got it why we can't make N900 "share internet access" via wired networking I.E. via cdc_ether18:32
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DocScrutinizerprobably needs iptables config that's not available in stock kenel18:33
DocScrutinizerkernel even18:33
Sicelobecause it works for KP.18:33
Siceloso stock kernel doesn't support iptables?18:34
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DocScrutinizerafaik not18:35
DocScrutinizerone of the reasons why you need powerkernel for hotspot18:36
Sicelohmm. i used stock kernel for only one week (for h-e-n), so never got to really know it's limitations18:36
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DocScrutinizerfor "classic" USB based sharing you'd just replace wifi with USB NIC18:37
DocScrutinizer(in mobile hotspot)18:38
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DocScrutinizeror simpler put: just do on N900 side what you're usually supposed to do on PC side when sharing internet of your linux PC to N90018:39
DocScrutinizer;-)18:39
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Sicelomy boss received Samsung i9100.. so he's showing off to me, to which i reply that i'd still love to get a second N900 if he paid more.. 2 days later he's pissed off because it's finishing his data plan in ways he can't understand18:40
Sicelo:P18:40
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DocScrutinizerhaha18:41
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Sicelo0.o no 'real' multitasking with 1gb ram and  dual core processor, lol18:50
Sicelowasteo of hardware18:50
Sicelo*waste of18:51
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SpacedOutNew package 'minutemonitor' announcement.  It has a daemon to add the duration to the call log (end_time was there but never set), and a gui to display it and the number of minutes used that period.18:52
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sLumPiameh, can't find the correct wvdial.conf for my carrier19:12
sLumPiabtw, is that the appropriate way to use 'meh'?19:13
sLumPiawhat is meh actually mean?19:13
sLumPia:p19:13
Sicelo~meh19:13
infobotmeh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase19:13
SicelosLumPia: u might find pppconfig to be easier to use.19:14
Sicelobut u  can easily find the info on the net as well :)19:15
Siceloi suppose you're getting a modem now..19:15
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sLumPiaSicelo: i know, but i'm tired (it's 1 am here)19:17
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sLumPiathanks for all the help gus19:18
sLumPia*guys19:18
sLumPiagtg19:18
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suport28319:44
suport28319:44
suporthello19:46
suporthello19:46
suportsee me19:46
SpacedOutI just released a new package minutemonitor, want to give it a try?  It's in extras-devel.19:46
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suportwhat19:48
suportreleased a new package19:49
SpacedOutIt has a daemon to add the duration to the call log (end_time was there but never set), and a gui to display it and the number of minutes used that period.19:49
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suportI use a mobile phone"19:51
suportwhat you are user?19:51
SpacedOutThis is #maemo so Nokia N900 mostly.19:53
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suport•¤%•¤•%¤•%¤•%19:54
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DocScrutinizersuport: please stop flooding this chan with nonsense!20:02
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: ping20:03
ShadowJKhello20:03
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DocScrutinizern900 *NEW* \o/20:29
* DocScrutinizer buys the last one you can find in EMEA ;-P20:29
DocScrutinizerwell, s/EMEA/Germany/20:30
NIN102is this your third?20:30
DocScrutinizeryep20:30
DocScrutinizerpondering to get two20:30
DocScrutinizerwith only 3 devices, I feel almost naked20:31
DocScrutinizer;-P20:31
NIN102learn to live with one :-).20:31
DocScrutinizerI can live with ONE *working* N900 :-)20:31
DocScrutinizer2 days ago I got my first "SIM registration failed" on my daily device20:32
DocScrutinizer:-o20:32
* DocScrutinizer screams and runs20:32
NIN102:/20:32
SiceloDocScrutinizer: there's still a brand new N900 in one shop here, but i got no bucks to get it20:33
Sicelo:P20:33
RST38hfolks, you are pathetic20:33
RST38hok, I am also pathetic.20:33
DocScrutinizerindeed20:33
DocScrutinizer:-D20:34
Sicelo:D20:34
* ShadowJK has two, #2 with collapsed 's' key and dodgy headphone port, and #3 with "SGX Recovery triggered"20:34
ShadowJK#1 died of sim registration failed :P20:34
DocScrutinizerI gather #1 is already recycled?20:34
ShadowJKYes, they replaced it and gave me #320:35
DocScrutinizerhmm, I have no real clue if they replaced my #1 and if then how much of it20:36
NIN102I was lucky to get an N900 in mid 2011 as a replacement after my first died after 6 months(USB port), it was the time when many already got an N8/E7. phew...20:37
* DocScrutinizer annouces foundation of the N900-vintage-club20:37
DocScrutinizerclub's goal: to keep alive N900 tradition, help with refurbishing, trade, spare parts20:38
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DocScrutinizerof course I'm president of the club ;-P20:39
DocScrutinizerand so far the only member20:39
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DocScrutinizerttyl20:40
* DocScrutinizer heads out, shopping20:41
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TofeQtQuick is really... quick :)20:47
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Phlogistiquehey20:55
Phlogistiqueanyone here uses a japanese dictionnary on their N900?20:56
Phlogistiquewhich one20:56
Phlogistique?20:56
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