IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-02-16

zanberdopsycho_oreos, yup, dircolors is definitely located there. I've updated .bashrc accordingly unfortunately the console is still black and white and ls rejects the --color=auto directive. I'm still missing something here. I know it's in color in osso-xterm though00:00
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psycho_oreoszanberdo, could it be because your terminal isn't xterm?00:17
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zanberdoerm... that could very well be it. one moment00:24
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zanberdopsycho_oreos, doesn't seem to make a difference. I've opened up xterm on my desktop, ssh'd to my N900, and still all is black and white. ls of course does not recognize the --color=auto directive (issue with ls) but everything is still b&w. guess it's not that important, just annoying00:26
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psycho_oreoszanberdo, hmm I though $TERM variable being defined as xterm might have helped00:46
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Macerhttp://htwins.net/scale2/03:44
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Macerhm08:37
Maceris the n900 simply incapable of doing wpa for a wifi hotspot?08:37
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psycho_oreosI don't think its a hardware issue, its a bit like a driver related issue to be precise09:12
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jacekowskihardware is the new software09:18
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mihuHi. Can anybody tell me what kind of sensor the "cam_shutter" sensor in the N900 is, ie. the sensor that's responsible for recognizing the lens cover?11:35
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PhlogistiqueHi there11:42
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Sicelomihu: i can't swear to it, but i think it's magnetic11:55
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Sicelolol, looks like a light sensor actually - even the cover has a patch of black, and a patch of white that's over th sensor when lens cover open11:57
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mihuSicelo: Ah, true. I thought it's magnetic as well, just like the mmc card detection. But now I put some black paper on it and it's closed.11:59
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massoudPhlogistique: hi there12:07
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massouddo you guys do you know what is the simplest way to crosscompile some C sources for the n900 / gnurarm binaries ?12:10
Sicelokewl mihu :P12:14
Sicelomassoud: scratchbox, i believe12:16
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mihumassoud: Still there?13:37
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massoudmihu: yes14:27
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mihumassoud: You asked about how to cross-compile some code. I recently used the "madde" environment for that purpose. You can then prefix whatever you want to compile with "mad", ie. "mad gcc foo.c -o foo" on your host PC and it will do the right thing. I then used ssh/scp to transfer the code to my N900 and it just worked.14:29
massoudmihu: thanks a lot, madde is packaged for debian ?14:32
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mihumassoud: http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE I used version 1.0.2 from here: http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html It's a ~600MB stand-alone executable that has everything in it and is self-contained.14:34
mihumassoud: Just run it and it will ask you for an installation directory. If you put it to /opt/, the executable will be in /opt/madde/0.7.48/bin/mad IIRC.14:36
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massoudmihu: excellent, will try it now on my debian lenny14:40
massoudmihu : have you imported whole projects/sources and built it for n900 ?14:40
pepperguys, my apt-get update fails to find the hathor sources, and thus cant install the sdk properly. any idea where to get those? I cannot find them at the scratchbox website.14:45
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pepperI need the debian sources and it fails at deb-src http://scratchbox.org/debian hathor main14:46
peppernevermind, I removed them from the sources.list and now it happily gets the packages...14:48
pepperbugger me with a fishfork.14:48
mihumassoud: Yes and no. I had some C sources and had to built a Qt N900 application around it. I used the QtCreator that comes with the SDK to do that. You can choose "Maemo" application as a project. I just added the C sources to the project, added some C/C++ glue code.14:49
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mihumassoud: So I used the bare sources, but not the build environment from the old project. I let QtCreator/qmake do the job.14:50
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Gear_hi17:11
pepperhello17:11
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Gear_I'm streaming video through wireless to VLC on a netbook17:19
prontocongrats?17:20
peppernice17:20
Gear_I have a problem17:20
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Gear_I'm trying to find the damn script17:21
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dolewhich scipt?17:21
Gear_I put the gstreamer commands into a script17:22
Gear_I had to start learning linux like a few months ago when I got this phone17:22
Gear_anyway I can only get it streaming at 320x24017:23
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Gear_it's like a stream that I open with vlc, is anyone really familiar with gstreamer?17:24
pepperim afraid not. im only working with maemo for a week now.17:25
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Gear_gstreamer is linux17:25
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Gear_I'll just wait until someone says something like "yeah I'm all up in that gstreamer shit"17:27
pepperthat seems wise, its IRC afterall.17:29
Robot101#gstreamer ?17:29
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Gear_what the!17:30
Gear_thanks17:30
Gear_a whole channel17:31
PhlogistiqueGear_: Gstreamer is not Linux, though17:33
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Gear_actually this is specfic to the n900 anyway17:37
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DocScrutinizerhttp://share.ovi.com/album/joerg900.unboxingGTA0417:43
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NsaneCoffeMy Ubuntu pc failed me ='(18:18
NsaneCoffeSynaptic crashes every time i try to install packages and that means no libusb= no Maemo Flasher18:18
NsaneCoffeHow is the windows alternative?18:18
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mase_76i still have problems with usb tethering. i also tried an older nm and modemmanager version shipped with debian squeeze. the AP appears in nm, but is greyed out.18:21
mase_76i wanted to test with wvdial, but as i am using an arm netbook, there is a bug in wvstreams, that makes wvdial unusable on arm.18:22
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zanberdook, so I'm hacking away on my n900 looking to resize the /home and MyDocs partitions. I've installed backupmenu and have mounted the eMMC to my lappy running linux. Running gparted I'm finding that gparted can't resize the MyDocs partition - some issue with the partition itself I presume. I've currently got it mounted under windows (duel-boot lappy) and am running a check disk. If this fails to correct my partition issue, what's19:44
zanberdo my next step? Anyone run into this?19:44
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SpeedEvilI cheated19:45
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DocScrutinizerlo SpeedEvil19:45
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SpeedEviltarred up mydocs into /home, umounted it, resized mydocs, and created another partition which I formatted ext219:45
SpeedEvilworked well19:45
SpeedEvilwith a seperate mount19:46
SpeedEvilLo19:46
DocScrutinizerzanberdo:19:46
DocScrutinizer~jrtools19:46
infobotfrom memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools19:46
SpeedEvilthat too19:46
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DocScrutinizerthe easiest way, but of course only applicable on a complete reflash19:46
zanberdoext2 eh? I've already formatted my SD card ext3. When I formatted it as ext2 I was unable to mount it (invalid options). Forced me to use ext3. And yes, I tried removing and adding the journaling a few times.19:47
zanberdothanks for the link!19:47
DocScrutinizeryw19:47
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SpeedEvilerr19:47
DocScrutinizertested up to 9.9GB iirc19:47
SpeedEvilIt may have been 319:47
DocScrutinizerfor >=10GB I suggest using a proper editor instead, a hex editor19:48
zanberdobeen using bits and pieces from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7347819:48
zanberdothe mods to osso-mmc-mount and mmc-mount.sh work fine, save for the fact that it won't mount the SD card when formatted ext2.19:49
DocScrutinizeraaah, the fixed mmc-mount.sh19:49
zanberdobut that's a non-issue atm. resizing /home is critical as a) it's full, and b) I believe it's what is preventing me from saving an update to an existing contact.19:49
DocScrutinizerand ke-recv19:49
DocScrutinizer?19:50
zanberdoerm ke-recv? I must have missed that19:50
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DocScrutinizernote to self: topic for this night's CSSU meeting: ke-recv&mountscripts to CSSU-T?19:52
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zanberdohttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8179 ?19:52
povbotBug 8179: ke-recv cannot work when  /home/user/MyDocs is ext3 partition (here solution)19:52
NIN101mountscripts? You wanna auto-fsck my modifications? No!!1!one.19:53
Palifor proper automounting SD cards, USB flash HDD, .. is needed my fixed ke-recv19:53
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Palihere is link: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1147311&postcount=11119:56
DocScrutinizerNIN101: errwut?19:56
DocScrutinizeraah Pali here U R19:56
DocScrutinizer:-D19:56
DocScrutinizerPali: please push it to CSSU-T :-)19:57
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Palisource code is already on gitorious cssu: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv19:57
NIN101If CSSU ships mountscripts, it replaces my modified stock-mountscripts, and I got some annoying things to deal with then. But as a "unofficial-firmware", you can actually do it. So do it :-).19:57
DocScrutinizerNIN101: if something in "(un)official" FW-rev overrides your tweaks, you probably need a way to redo them after each upgrade anyway19:59
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Gear_hey what's the best map app for the n900?20:05
Gear_cloudgps seems to suck hard20:05
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Gear_there's mappero but it's shouting things at me in another language, I am looking for something that's gonna tell me how to get somewhere on foot, bike, or car20:06
Gear_car being the least used20:07
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Gear_either foot or bike, but by bike voice commands would be good because if I am looking at a screen ever, I'll be run over multiple times20:08
pepperMarble has those things.20:09
pepperyou can use multiple map sources. I use openstreetmaps. I read you could also use a extra overlay for bikers.20:10
pepperand it has turn by turn audio navigation like most nav devices.20:10
Gear_I'm talking about bicycle20:11
pepperim currently converting my country(The Netherlands) to offline use.20:11
pepperyes, me too.20:11
Gear_oh awesome20:11
pepperand, if you install the right packages you can also use the navigation offline.20:11
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pepperso, you would have a full working navigation suite for free, with offline use.20:12
Gear_will it tell me the packages?20:12
pepperyes, let me get you the links.20:12
Gear_I have a 32gb card in my main phone20:12
peppernice20:12
Gear_they're so cheap now20:12
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pepperhttp://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search[1][property]=title&org_openpsa_products_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[1][value]=marble&org_openpsa_products_search[2][property]=os&org_openpsa_products_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[2][value]=Maemo5&fetch=Search20:13
Gear_but yeah there is more room than I'll probably use20:13
peppermarlbe virtual globe20:13
pepperthe marble maps are the extra themes, havent tried those yet20:13
pepperand for the offline navigation: http://userbase.kde.org/Marble/Maemo/OfflineRouting20:13
pepperI presume you live in Australia?20:14
Gear_yeah melbourne20:14
peppercool, you can download the country files here: http://www.osmaustralia.org/downloads.php20:14
pepperwhich, has a fancy cycle version.20:14
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Gear_damn I should be doing this through my phone20:15
pepperhmm, they appear to be garmin.20:15
pepperprobably not, the offline sets are BIG.20:15
pepperand usually need conversion20:15
Gear_it'd be great if there was a garmin app20:15
pepperYeah, I suppose. I dont mine marble, its pretty good for where I live.20:16
pepperoffcourse my country is quite small and dense, so its easier to map in detail.20:16
pepperhttp://downloads.cloudmade.com/oceania/australia_and_new_zealand/australia#downloads_breadcrumbs20:16
pepperthatsd australia20:16
pepperyou want a osm.bz2 file,probably not the coastline.20:17
Gear_I just need my state really20:17
Gear_which is about the size of .nl :)20:17
pepperhaha yeah20:17
pepperI think downloading it via the phone will be quite slow for offline use, since its download speed is limited server side20:18
pepperbut in this program: http://maperitive.net/20:18
Gear_I lived in rotterdam and utrecht about 10 years ago but right now I can't remember any dutch20:18
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pepperyou can load the osm source, select a bounding box of the are you desire, and render a given amount of zoom levels to tiles that you can then copy in the marble program.20:18
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peppercool!20:18
pepperwell, dutch is a difficult language with all sorts of annoying bits. I dont blame you.20:19
Gear_will the app do this itself?20:19
pepperdo what itself? creating the tiles? or copying it into marble?20:19
Gear_any of those things20:20
peppercreate the tiles, yes if you specify what it should do.its quite easy. copy it to marble? no. You have to do that yourself.20:20
Gear_is copying the tiles only for offline use20:20
pepperyes, you can skip the whole source downloading for offline use.20:21
Gear_cool20:21
pepperheck, if you are always online just use the program as is.20:21
Gear_I have about 500mb a month and I don't really use it20:21
pepperit has navigation and maps on the fly then.20:21
pepperaah cool. how is the coverage in australia?20:21
Gear_in this state and this city, it's everywhere20:22
peppereven better, if you know your route you can download only the tiles along the route.20:22
Gear_melbourne has like 6 million people?20:22
pepperso you can preload it at home and dont have to wait for it to load when driving.20:22
peppernice20:22
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pepperthis is pretty cool: http://www.opencyclemap.org/20:23
pepperI knew it existed, just had not looked at it bbefore.20:23
Gear_I'm cycling in traffic most of the time20:23
Gear_and drivers here are insane, I have to keep up or die20:23
pepperwow20:24
pepperwell you know how its here.20:24
peppereasy going really.20:24
peppermany biking paths.20:24
Gear_bike paths everywhere20:24
pepperyup, its brilliant.20:24
pepperwhen the whole region jams in rushhour I bypass them all.20:24
Gear_yeah holland is engineered to be awesome20:24
pepperquite so!20:25
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Gear_there are bike paths here, but nearly everyone cycles in .nl20:28
Gear_plus I cut across parks and whatever20:28
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pepperpretty much.20:28
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pepperI'm a mountainbiker myself, so I cut across anything.20:28
Gear_I have a single speed dirt jumper20:29
peppernice20:29
NsaneCoffe<-Downhiller20:30
Gear_we're so cool.20:31
pepperaw yeah20:31
NsaneCoffeI know =D20:31
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peppernot much downhilling here, I ride in the dunes near the coast, so its all short climbs and decents :D20:31
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pepperI got a hardtail bike, and a friend of mine has full suspension, he gets away from me on the downhill but I always outclimb him.20:32
pepperwell its a single track parcours so not much overtaking.20:32
Gear_mine's hardtail, single gear, 24" sun rims20:33
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peppervery nice20:34
NsaneCoffeI have a Hardtail and a Freeride20:34
pepperI plan on converting my old mountainbike to a single-speed for road driving, but it needs new brakes and a tailwheel.20:34
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Gear_I'm using a mongoose frame but the rest of the components are awesome, all I need is a good frame20:35
peppernice, you can always re-use the kit.20:36
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Gear_it's just back together after months of being apart in the kitchen20:37
NsaneCoffeI love buying new parts for my bikes =D20:37
pepperhahah20:37
peppersame!20:37
Gear_I need to get photos of the headlights I made20:38
NsaneCoffejust cant wait to try it out20:38
pepperhaha20:38
NsaneCoffeHeadligths?20:38
pepperwhats special about the headlights?20:38
Gear_yeah two really powerful tactical lights, on some brackets, the "special" part is the battery tube mounted to a bracket with straps on the bottom tube where the drink bottle holder goes20:39
Gear_it's a 5D cell cop maglite, which is capped at both ends, and has a metal guitar jack supplying power to the lights20:39
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Gear_so you undo it and it's basically an indestructable club20:40
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NsaneCoffeHaha, sounds nice!20:40
Gear_the top part where the torch part usually is, is gone, and there is another metal cap the same as the bottom20:41
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pepperhahah nice20:41
Gear_bike security20:41
Gear_well20:41
Gear_personal20:41
NsaneCoffehow much time did you spend on that?20:42
Gear_I dunno20:42
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Gear_probably 20 hours in total realistically?20:43
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Gear_maybe 3020:43
NsaneCoffeHaha20:44
Gear_thick pro mic cables go to each of the "headlights" and they're black, and the same diameter as the hydraulic cables20:44
Gear_so it doesn't look home grown at all20:44
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Gear_if I use the battery of death it does add nearly a kilogram to the bike20:47
NsaneCoffeHaha20:48
NsaneCoffeBut last forever?20:48
Gear_I don't know how long it lasts for20:48
Gear_the beating people aspect is what I made it for20:48
NsaneCoffe><20:49
Gear_but, the batteries should last a long time, the tactical lights are modded because they ran off AAA20:49
Gear_but they're blinding20:49
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Gear_like, actually blinding, I activated them a few times straight into my face and had to wait for a minute before I could see anything20:50
NsaneCoffeNice20:51
NsaneCoffelike taking pictures with a camera in a dark rom20:51
Gear_hah yeah20:51
peppernice20:51
Gear_marble doesn't want to search for street names..20:52
Gear_sweet there is a bicycle profile20:54
peppersee if you need to configure the navigation first, it didnt work for me on the first try either.20:54
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pepperthe next day it did, not quite sure if I restarted it in between20:54
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pepperalso, you may need to install the deamon for the offline navigation, it should tell you in the menu.20:54
Gear_I'll get it working first20:54
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Gear_the search doesn't seem very intuitive but I'm not sure what it's set to20:57
Gear_putting commas between number, street, post code, city.. maybe it can be changed20:59
Gear_how can I restrict it to my state? I don't want it searching the whole world21:00
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Gear_this is already so much better than cloud or mappero though!21:02
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pepperyou can change the search module in the options.21:07
pepperyou can atleast limit it to your own country.21:07
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pepperseems to be pretty good and fast for my own country when I download the country set and allow it to only use offline navigation21:08
pepperwhich is, go to options > routing > configure21:09
pepperthen ONLY have Monav checked.21:09
pepperthen click on configure, and download australia.21:09
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pepperand, for my country this works excellent/21:10
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Gear__I hate this connection21:12
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peppernot having much luck eh?21:16
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Gear_my router is crap21:16
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pepperthis should explain the offline routing21:17
pepperhttp://userbase.kde.org/Marble/Maemo/OfflineRouting21:17
Gear_so it'll use gps to tell me where I am, and where to go right?21:17
Gear_I haven't found any speech functions21:18
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pepperhttp://userbase.kde.org/Marble/CustomSpeakers21:20
pepperyou have to install them, but its there.21:22
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Gear_it didn't save my home21:23
Gear_there is some monav deamon missing too21:26
pepperyou can install the monav through the application manager.21:26
Gear_I'm already downloading the 277mb australia file21:28
Gear_I'd prefer that to be on the sdcard21:28
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pepperIt might be, not quite sure.21:30
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Gear_with the australia map it still needs a connection21:32
pepperyep21:32
NsaneCoffeFinally got my n900 up and running again21:33
Gear_why am I downloading this map?21:33
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pepperoffline navigation gear.21:34
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Gear_so it's downloading ALL the tiles?21:35
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pepperit downloads navigation files, not the actual tiles that are displayed.21:35
Gear_yeah it still needs a connection for the tiles21:36
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pepperyep21:36
Gear_how do I get around that again?21:36
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pepperdownload a .osm of your region and use maperative to split it up in tiles.21:38
Gear_with this map will it operate faster?21:38
pepperyup, atleast for me it is.21:39
peppertakes about a second to plot a route.21:39
Gear_the real aim of this was totally on the fly21:39
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Gear_I don't want to preconfigure stuff at home in advance, I want to know where I am when I'm not at home, and how to get somewhere21:40
Gear_I know where I am if I'm at home :)21:40
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pepperwell, routing works fine for me in australia21:47
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Gear_it's crashing a lot, are you using power kernel?21:50
peppernop, very stable for me.21:50
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Gear_you don't use power kernel?21:55
Gear_this might be a problem :/21:55
pepperhmm. bah..21:55
pepperI havent done any kernel stuff, I only got my machine last week friday.21:56
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Gear_it's just an upgrade, but it comes with lots of useful things and it's how you can overclock your phone and do other things22:03
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Gear_oh! monav was not installed22:05
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trumeeanybody knows why Pali's new kp49 isnt listed here http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/?22:12
trumeei only see the old version but not the version released yesterday, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1165506&postcount=280422:13
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merlin1991the 'standard place' afaik is palis webspace and not maemo extras22:15
trumeemerlin1991: ah, it is the pre50 version? and not a re-release of kp4922:16
merlin1991yep22:16
trumeemerlin1991: why did he post it in kp49 thread.22:16
trumeemerlin1991: it should have been in kp50 thread22:16
merlin1991nfc22:16
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merlin1991maybe a honest mistake?22:17
trumeeok22:17
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ale152hello23:23
ale152is it possible to edit the incoming call window?23:23
ale152i'd just like to edit the answer button position...23:24
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andre__ale152, unlikely, I don't think that the Call UI is open source code23:27
ale152:(23:27
ale152i hope it was like conversation UI...23:28
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NsaneCoffeHow big job is it to resize the app memory on N900?23:37
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jacekowskiNsaneCoffe: you mean storage space?23:43
jacekowskiNsaneCoffe: you will have to reflash23:43
jacekowskiNsaneCoffe: but it's easy23:44
jacekowskiNsaneCoffe: ask mohammad ag for modified image23:44
jacekowskiNsaneCoffe: or look into emmc image with hex editor and change 2048 to like 409623:44
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NsaneCoffeYeah but is the flashing any different from the ordinary bin files?23:49
NsaneCoffeas far as i know there is a difference between mmc and combined images23:51
NsaneCoffei have only flashed combined before23:52

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