IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2012-02-13

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Maceralrighty00:39
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Macertime to bust out the n810 and put debian on it00:39
Maceror anything else00:39
Maceranybody know a site that explains how to do this without a chroot?00:39
Macerah crap. i totally forgot. i need a damn SD probably00:40
Macerugh00:40
MacerA MINI SD.. wtf uses that crap? lol00:40
Maceri'd have to find an adapter00:40
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jrayhawk_Macer: Deblet is probably the way to go for that; I had success installing that and upgrading it to lenny with udev held.03:10
jrayhawk_If you want I can probably shove a tar file of that somewhere.03:10
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vizzyhi, i wonder where i can get FCamera drivers v0.1.7-2 , i only see 1.7-2 in my list03:13
vizzyit says its in testing, but i only see old version in testing repo03:16
robbiethe1stcheck devel?03:17
vizzyand here i also only see old version http://fcam.garage.maemo.org/download.html03:17
vizzyrobbiethe1st, so what will happen if i enable dev repo? wont it upgrade all apps to devel stage?03:18
vizzyi wonder why its in devel and not in testing , at least because it fixes issues with power kernel etc03:18
robbiethe1stUh, if you do an apt-get upgrade with it enabled, and you don't have apt-pinning setup, yes03:18
vizzyso its save to enable devel repo to just install fcam?03:19
vizzyi wonder where i can see that package only, is there a list of devel packages somewhere? i like to see if its there before doing wuch dangerous things like devel repo :))03:19
vizzybut if theres nothing on http://fcam.garage.maemo.org/download.html, why should it be in the repo?03:20
robbiethe1sthttp://maemo.org/packages/03:20
robbiethe1stsearch there03:20
vizzyonly old version!03:22
vizzyargh, wtf? why is everybody talking about a new version in the forums if its just not existing03:22
robbiethe1sthttp://maemo.org/packages/view/fcam-drivers/ I see 1.0.7-2 there03:23
Macerjrayhawk_: heh. maybe later. i need to order a minisd adapter first :-P03:24
vizzyi searched for fcamera, there should be a new version too03:24
Macerdamn you nokia!03:24
vizzyhmmm03:24
vizzyrobbiethe1st, cool, thx, yeah its in devel....03:24
robbiethe1stNP03:25
Macerheh. i still just use the stock cam stuff.. but i'm not really too into the cam03:25
vizzyMacer, yepp, it works, but its a pain in usage03:26
vizzyno black/white images etc, missing almost all features of a camera03:26
vizzyi wonder why they put a 5mp cam in the device and not able to make a nice software for it and wait until some geeky coders will release a new software03:27
robbiethe1stI found fcam to be quite interesting to mess with - you can change the shutter time etc, and turn a mostly-dark room into something actually visible on camera03:27
robbiethe1stSomething that with the stock camera app would be totally black03:27
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vizzyrobbiethe1st, exactly what i want :)03:27
vizzyi still have a darkroom and do ananlog black and white images , so i love to see an app thats making pictures the way i want *g03:28
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vizzyoops03:37
vizzyopt (home system is full)03:38
vizzyi mean opt (home)  :) is there a quick way to fix it? seems opkg doesnt check free space before installing, hehe03:38
robbiethe1stUh, delete files one way or another?03:46
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newbie007hi, I'm looking at some C code for a desktop widget. I'm seeing some code like this: _("A String")  What is this _ operator?03:51
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cehtehusually thats only a macro for gettext utils for translating programm messages03:57
newbie007ah, makes since03:58
newbie007thanks!03:58
newbie007I didn't understand how the tranlation was working anyhow03:59
vizzyrobbiethe1st, yeah, jad to clean the package cache, which was 400mb, but now have to install some apps after another and remove them to remove broken files...04:00
vizzyphew04:00
vizzylol, now i got unmet dependencies or problems when trying to install broken packages which are not marked as installed... erm04:00
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robbiethe1stYou may have to manually install some stuff using dpkg04:01
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vizzyfrogatto ....04:01
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vizzythis is what happens when i try to install a game :))04:01
vizzyso, its getting a console adventure instead of a nice grc game , hahahahaha04:02
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kgis there a good starters guide easily accessible?04:03
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vizzyah, jammo was broken, purged, and then i could also purge the rest04:07
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* newbie007 wonders how many n900 fans will switch to openmoko when they want to upgrade04:39
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wmaronenewbie007: you mean software or hardware?04:43
wmaronecause if I want to upgrade the software, i'd probably go for nemo mobile or a build of cordia hd04:43
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robbiethe1stnewbie007, erm... only 800mhz a8 processor? Not exactly a big upgrade05:27
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newbie007well the deal is that I cannot purchase a new n90005:28
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newbie0072 years from now, when I want to update. I'm not going android, mac, win if I can avoid it05:28
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robbiethe1stTrue, I'd be looking at something running, say, kubuntu mobile05:28
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newbie007if I were a nokia dev I'd get out a script to get maemo running on a nook color (at first to get more influence) and then start targeting some android device05:29
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newbie007on my xoom I'm going to try to get a debian/kde plasma05:30
newbie007unless I can get hildon-desktop that is. I can't figure how to not use Xephyr05:30
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newbie007I think the big tele companies do not want a cell on an open platform. They want secret GPS, backdoors, and some assurance that there will not be an application that wipes out their monopoly05:37
vizzythere is a word for that: iphone :))))05:38
vizzybtw, a 'new' n900 i got for eur 8005:41
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vizzygoos luck when bidding, bad description of item but i excellent condition with all accessoires ad a otter box05:42
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vizzyi never thought i will own a n900 in these days05:42
vizzyits great as a mini comouter, but not for phone calls , due to small battery, therefore i use my new old n8205:43
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vizzybtw, is there an apache/mysql/php port for maemo on n900?05:44
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vizzyi see php and mysql, but no apache, only monoapache module and something for logging05:46
robbiethe1stUm, check devel05:50
robbiethe1stI'm sure you could run it through EasyDebian/any chroot if you wanted05:50
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vizzyso whats the difference from maemo downloads and packages? i dont get it, what is os2008 os2009 and all that? whats running on my n900?05:51
vizzyits very confusing, i miss a read this first page where all that secrets are explained... mhmmm05:52
robbiethe1stFremantle is running on the N90005:53
vizzyah ok, so i can forget about osxxxx05:55
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vizzyso maemo 5 is freemantle?05:55
vizzyso the search returns no results for apache, mysql or php :(05:56
vizzyseems i need a quick and easy howto on how to set up a crosscompile environment for the n90005:56
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vizzyok, but first i need to find a proper app to make a custom menu, mymenu always kills my widgets or so for some reason and i heared about lots of trouble when uninstalling it.... hmpf06:00
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psychologei had install metasploit in N900 ,i want use db command in metasploit,so i execute:gem1.8 install mysql    ,but fail!10:33
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sanovax29a: no, any user-agent. Do i have to send one?12:17
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RST38h"Even in the hearts of Apple fanbois, there's room to love another human being as well as machinery. But it's better if the human receiving that love also has an iPad, say those who are presumably experts in the matter."13:18
RST38h'There are more boys than girls, but it's not a problem'13:19
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SpeedEvilhttp://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Trustwave-issued-a-man-in-the-middle-certificate-1429982.html - fun14:06
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vizzyouch, it really is a pita that most apps destroy desktop widgets ..... why is that so hard?14:23
vizzymymenu, catorize, appmefo, ... argh14:24
vizzyat least desktop activity thingy will render the device a bit useless.... hell!14:25
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DocScrutinizer51apmefo doesn't destroy desktop widgets for all I know, I'm using it since a year or longer15:56
vizzythen it must be mymenu15:57
vizzyill remove it and use tricks to restore15:57
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Macerhas anybody tried nemo mobile?16:48
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SpeedEvilI thought about it, but I couldn't find it.16:50
Macerer16:50
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Macerhttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing16:50
Siceloi'm about to try it .. well, not nemo per se, but to boot debian using nemo's kernel & modules16:51
* SpeedEvil watches the pun fly clean over Macers head.16:51
Macer:-P it was a bad pun16:51
MacerSicelo: let me know how it goes ;)16:51
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Maceri was more so curios about the meego ux16:51
Maceri wonder if hte ui is worth the trouble16:51
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Macerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqEfiy_nguY&feature=youtube_gdata_player16:57
Macerno...fking.. way16:57
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Macern900 portable brain scanner?16:57
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vi__DocScrutinizer: hello.17:03
vi__DocScrutinizer: which side of the PCB is the CPU on?17:03
SpeedEvilvi__: why?17:04
vi__humor me.17:04
SpeedEvilI think it's battery-side, but I'm not very sure.17:04
vi__http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_12.jpeg17:05
vi__I am having difficulty spotting it.17:05
vi__http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_01.jpeg17:06
SpeedEvilIt's under the RAM chip17:06
vi__the RAM is the toshiba chip?17:06
vi__No wait, that is the gazoo17:07
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vi__srsly, which one is it?17:10
chem|stvi__: lmc hold on a sec17:10
robtaylorvi__: it's not on those pictures17:11
vi__is it still covered by RF shield?17:12
robtaylorvi__: it's under the ram - i.e. under the chip with TOSHIBA on17:13
robtaylorvi__: it's called package-on-package17:13
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vi__wut?17:14
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vi__There is a chip ON TOP of another chip?17:14
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vi__Literally above the toshiba chip? I though he meant above it on the image.17:15
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vi__is taht what you mean?17:15
vi__^that17:16
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robtaylorvi__: litterally, its between the toshiba chip and the pcb17:16
vi__robtaylor: kinky17:16
[DarkGUNMAN]vi_: nice job getting Davy's test device17:18
vi__[DarkGUNMAN]: heh.17:18
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vi__It is good to see somone opening up a whole new dimension of 'appz'17:19
vi__besides, with our generosity and a dev device he may be inclined to do some other stuff too.17:19
vi__who knows17:19
SpeedEvilSorry - missed a bit17:19
[DarkGUNMAN]I'm just gald he decided to have a go at it, seeing the work he'd done on other platforms17:19
SpeedEvilStupid X GPUs17:19
vi__I have never seen an n900 in such a sorry state though.17:20
SpeedEvil^driver17:20
vi__pr 1.1, no extras repo.17:20
[DarkGUNMAN]might be worth getting a replacement screen if theres anything left of the fund17:20
vi__digitiser is totally shagged.17:20
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vi__but still works.17:20
vi__Surprisingly the LCD is in good condition, none of the white spots that tend to appear on 'aged' n900s17:21
vi__I did have a spare LCD but phedders never mailed it back yet.17:21
vi__grr.17:22
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[DarkGUNMAN]I'm going to order a replacement for mine, as well as a new stylus since I lost mine last week17:22
[DarkGUNMAN]its ok but has a scratch and a rough bit17:22
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vi__I will put it to TMO, if anyone has a spare digitiser/stylus and davyp will wait a little longer I can fit it.17:23
vi__Or IO can just mail it to him as-is17:23
vi__It works fine, just looks a bit fucked.17:23
vi__also I think it has been in water.17:23
vi__There is some corrosion inside.17:23
[DarkGUNMAN]worth asking17:23
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vi__I have also put CSSU stable on it...17:25
Macerdigitiser?17:26
vi__Anyone who has not moved onto CSSU stable will probably not be interested in cutting edge features like j2me anyway.17:26
Macerwhat makes it so bad is new n900s on amazon range from 400-90017:27
Maceri got mine on ebay for 25017:27
vi__Macer: Digitiser!17:28
vi__well this one cost ~66GBP17:29
Macerno. my n90017:29
Maceroh17:29
Macerlol17:29
vi__which is ~$10017:29
Macerplus the 5 times shipping it and parts? ;)17:29
vi__jaylist has asked me to try and do the same for an n9.17:33
Macerwell.. whatever produces progress heh17:34
vi__My feelings on n9s are well advertised.17:34
Maceri'm curious about this nemo mobile mer/meego based stuff17:35
Macerwonder how functional it is17:35
vi__same here17:35
vi__maemo 5 is a fucking fugly hackjob17:35
vi__I could shit a better filesystem layout.17:36
Macerfrom what someone told me in #meego a little while ago it is supposed to be rather functional17:36
Macervi__: i'm no developer but i can assume you can see that just from the sdk17:36
Macerthey need to find out whoever made it and just burn them alive17:36
Macerbut nokia wasn't really goo committed to the n90017:36
vi__I want to experiance meego, however hosing my device just to try it does not appeal...17:37
Macernosing?17:37
Macerhosing?17:37
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Maceri thought it was a basic uboot/sd copy17:37
vi__for the full fat meego test, you have to install to emmc17:37
Maceroh17:38
Maceryou mean the actual meego heh17:38
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Macercan't you just load the kernel and boot off sd as well via usb?17:38
vi__yeh, but it would be all slow.17:38
Macerthat's how i tried it last time.. but it was absolutely awful... like pre-alpha ui17:39
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Macerbut at least you would know it works ;)17:39
vi__heh.17:39
vi__What I really wanted was meego+hildon desktop.17:39
Macerpersonally i think hildon has held everything up17:39
vi__really?17:40
Macerlike i said. not a dev but from what i can gather there is too much of it closed off17:40
Maceri never understood why it wasn't scrapped altogether17:40
vi__but it is the most thumb friendly thing yet.17:40
vi__hildon is open...AFAIK.17:40
Maceri am sure there were awkward parts of it closed off17:40
vi__Things like dialer, conversations and contacts on the n900 are closed.17:40
vi__these are not hildon.17:40
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Maceri don't know ... i remember someone in here complaining about how they were trying to make open alternatives to a lot of hildon sections but found it impossible to do17:41
vi__probably jonwil17:42
Maceri honestly would have expected a new ui instead of sticking to hildon17:42
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vi__hildon is open.  A lot of the backend stuff is not.17:42
Macerwell. .the backend stuff is rather important ;)17:42
vi__yarp17:42
vi__and that is what meego is for17:43
Macerin theory17:43
vi__except the UI should have been aborted.17:43
Macerfrom what i'v eheard the ui is actually not too bad17:43
Maceri dn't care about any of that as long as it has xterm :)17:43
vi__exactly what I was just typing!17:43
Macerbut then again that is on the n917:44
vi__My n900 has to giant shortcuts on the homescreen.17:44
Macerthe n900 is scrappy but it is still slower17:44
vi__1. Giant button to call girlfriend.17:44
vi__2. GIANT xterm button.17:44
Macerlol17:44
vi__all I need.17:44
Macersame here except i used the contact shortcut17:45
chouchounevi__: Macer : it's reasonably fast to run the OS from a class 10 micro SD card17:45
Macerand the normal xterm shortcut17:45
vi__I made a QBW, just so it could be super massive.17:45
Macerchouchoune: but the cpu might help speed it up as well as more physical ram in the n917:45
Macerbetter soc gpu as well i would assume17:46
Macerit has more horsepower17:46
chouchouneMacer: what are you speaking about ?17:46
vi__chouchoune: class 10, fool me once; Shame on you. Fool me twice; FFS, MY PRECIOUS DATA!17:46
chouchouneit's not possible to run harmattan on the n90017:46
Macerchouchoune: i was talking about nemo/mer17:46
chouchouneI'm speaking of the old Meego community edition and Nemo Mobile17:46
Macerbut the ui runs mostly the same doesn't it?17:47
chouchouneMacer: Nemo/Mer doesn't run on N917:47
chouchoune(officially at least)17:47
chouchounethe UI is different from the Harmattan one17:47
Maceroh. didn't nkkow that17:47
chouchouneit's the MeeGo handset UI17:48
Macerthought the ui was basicalyt he same with different bases for the underlying os17:48
vi__chouchoune: it runs the 'default, example' UI.17:48
vi__From meego.17:48
chouchouneno, Nokia did something dfferent from official MeeGo handset UI for the N917:48
chouchounevi__: yes17:48
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chouchouneimproved since the MeeGo times17:48
vi__chouchoune: yes, they invented a new one.  And did not even run it on meego.17:49
vi__In fact n9 has absolutely nothing to do with meego.17:49
chouchounevi__: it's APi compatible17:49
vi__chouchoune: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.17:49
vi__ORLY?17:49
Maceryeah but can it run the portable brain scanning app?17:50
chouchounefor an overview of nemo mobile : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShRnOazNu9Q17:50
vi__That is like syaing 2 j2me phones are API compatable.17:50
chouchouneMeeGo was a trademark, and Nokia could use it, so ...17:52
chouchouneand the Nokia N9 is actually the result of Nokia's work on MeeGo17:52
chouchouneafter all, the only difference between MeeGo specification and Harmattan is the packaging system17:55
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chouchouneMeeGo compliance specs, I mean17:55
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Sazpaimon_is there something like http://romaxa.info/fennec/ for maemo 5?18:33
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badcloud_hey all18:39
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badcloud_is there a program for watching bliptv videos on maemo?18:39
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ShadowJKfennec runs a bit slow on n90018:42
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Sazpaimon_ShadowJK, it ran slow on N9 as well18:43
Sazpaimon_but 10.0 stable is actually drastically improved since I last tried18:44
Sazpaimon_uses significantly less cpu and no checkerboarding18:44
Sazpaimon_was wondeirng if maemo 5 could benefit as well18:44
ShadowJKI think on M5 biggest issue is the memory consumption18:45
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Sazpaimon_thats true, on my N9 fennec still takes 25% RAM18:48
Sazpaimon_so 100% physical ram on an N90018:48
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IktwoHi I'm trying to use wlancond but I can't call it from Qt, I need pass an array20:07
Iktwouchar   a[1] = {0};20:07
Iktwobut when I do msg << a; I get an error20:07
IktwoQVariant::QVariant(void *) is  private, could someone help me to pass the array20:08
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Phlogistiquewhat's this rootsh update?21:00
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Paliping X-Fade21:03
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vizzyPhlogistique, more root than before maybe :>21:13
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vizzyhi, where is Modified-hildon-desktop22:49
vizzyand desktopplus?22:49
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vizzypackage search says: modified-hildon-desktop 1.0Fremantle Extras-devel free armelPackage has been removedNiels Breet2010-03-22 15:22:50
vizzyremoved? wtf?22:50
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wmaroneI believe some things were absorbed into the cssu22:51
vizzycssu?22:51
Siceloiirc it's on a different site. well, aiui, parts of it are in cssu22:51
Siceloyeah22:51
vizzywhat is cssu?22:51
wmaronehttp://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU22:51
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vizzyah cool, seems a dangerous thing22:52
Siceloif u wan't just m-h-d alone, it's here, http://my.svgalib.org/~matan/770/n900/22:52
Sicelolol, CSSU, especiallly CSSU Stable, is not dangerous at all22:52
vizzySicelo, sorry, it reads dangerous in my bad english22:53
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vizzyok, it says it not uninstallable, and it says i should click a link on that page.... but what will it do exactly?22:55
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Siceloclick link for stable.. it will start a number of scripts that install cssu..22:56
Sicelou may want to /join #maemo-ssu22:56
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bindihey DocScrutinizer22:57
bindii remember you saying that 3G idle eats as much battery as not being connected to 3G22:57
vizzySicelo, ok, ill give it a try :) thank you.22:57
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bindigot any articles on that?22:57
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vizzyim still new to my n900, got it for 1 week now and continue fighting :))22:57
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fabio_i have this problem on n90023:14
fabio_Skricciolo-Foratino:~# apt-get purge libwrt123:14
fabio_Reading package lists... Done23:14
fabio_Building dependency tree23:14
fabio_Reading state information... Done23:14
fabio_You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:23:14
fabio_The following packages have unmet dependencies:23:14
fabio_  libwrt-api-experimental1: Depends: libwrt-experimental1 (= 1.1tp-3) but it is not going to be installed23:14
fabio_  libwrt-api1: Depends: libwrt1 (= 1.1.0) but it is not going to be installed23:14
fabio_  wrt: Depends: libwrt1 (= 1.1.0) but it is not going to be installed23:14
fabio_E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).23:14
fabio_Skricciolo-Foratino:~# apt-get purge qtwrt-experimental23:14
fabio_Reading package lists... Done23:14
fabio_Building dependency tree23:14
fabio_Reading state information... Done23:14
fabio_Package qtwrt-experimental is not installed, so not removed23:14
fabio_You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:23:14
fabio_The following packages have unmet dependencies:23:14
fabio_  libwrt-api-experimental1: Depends: libwrt-experimental1 (= 1.1tp-3) but it is not going to be installed23:14
fabio_E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).23:15
fabio_Skricciolo-Foratino:~# apt-get install qtwrt-experimental23:15
fabio_Reading package lists... Done23:15
fabio_Building dependency tree23:15
fabio_Reading state information... Done23:15
Sicelofabio_: stop it!23:15
fabio_You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:23:15
fabio_The following packages have unmet dependencies:23:15
fabio_  libwrt-api-experimental1: Depends: libwrt-experimental1 (= 1.1tp-3) but it is not going to be installed23:15
fabio_  qtwrt-experimental: Depends: wrt-experimental (= 1.1tp-3) but it is not going to be installed23:15
Sicelofabio_: stop it!23:15
fabio_                      Depends: wrt-api-experimental (= 1.1tp-3) but it is not going to be installed23:15
fabio_E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).23:15
fabio_Skricciolo-Foratino:~# apt-get -f install23:15
Sicelodamn123:15
fabio_Reading package lists... Done23:15
fabio_Building dependency tree23:15
fabio_Reading state information... Done23:15
fabio_Correcting dependencies... Done23:15
fabio_The following extra packages will be installed:23:15
fabio_  libwrt-experimental123:15
fabio_The following NEW packages will be instal23:15
fabio_help me please23:15
Sicelou should use a pastebin23:16
trumee~ping23:16
infobot~pong23:16
Siceloas for your problem, we don't even know what you are doing or want to do. what happens when u 'apt-get -f install'?23:16
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fabio_ok Sicelo  sorry23:17
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fabio_Sicelo,  Skricciolo-Foratino:~# apt-get -f install23:24
fabio_Reading package lists... Done23:24
fabio_Building dependency tree23:24
fabio_Reading state information... Done23:24
fabio_0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.23:24
donc_oe"apt-get -f install <package>"23:24
donc_oeand btw, http://pastebin.com/23:25
fabio_ok23:25
fabio_i try23:25
donc_oewhat are you trying to do anyways?23:26
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donc_oefabio_, i'm about to leave, some hints: try to google for "debian apt-get manual" or documentation or similar. this will tell you how to use apt-get. if you fail to install packages from sources you might want to google for the package name and try to install it "by hand". try to find <package>.deb files and install them. but this is pretty experimental, so make sure you have backups :p23:30
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Sazpaimon_can someone supply me with one of the TI libflashplayer binaries? I need to test something23:52
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