IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-02-02

NIN101I still think loading loadint the kernel with the flasher is the least messy method. No modification anywhere and much simpler to do.00:01
Sicelo+1. yeah00:02
Sicelo:)00:02
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doleFound an old BlueTooth headset and  the EQ works nice!00:15
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deckarde/?06:55
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DocScrutinizer??08:32
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DocScrutinizer~weather EDDN08:35
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2012.02.02 0620 UTC; Dew Point: -4 F (-20 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.27 in. Hg (1025 hPa); Relative Humidity: 51%; Temperature: 10 F (-12 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ENE (060 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT); Windchill: 0 F (-18 C)08:35
DocScrutinizerBRRRRRRR08:35
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: mgedmin: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2012/02/01/408:46
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edheldilDocScrutinizer:  look at LKPR :)10:53
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keriocool, i didn't know the Spark ran Mer12:47
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Gear_hey13:14
Gear_is this channel still primarily n900 related?13:14
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Gear__hello13:18
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Gear__how can I find a list of supported HID devices by H-E-N13:18
Gear__n900 usb host mode13:19
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ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/02/windows_phone_get_going/13:23
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DocScrutinizer51edheldil: what's (on) LKPR?13:30
ruskiehttp://www.reghardware.com/2012/02/02/concept_bamboo_smartphone_adzero_in_production/ <-- hmm13:33
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Wizzupaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatprima toch14:24
Wizzuper14:25
Wizzuplag.14:25
* Wizzup runs14:25
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merlin1991Wizzup: wtf was that?14:33
Wizzupmerlin1991: Well, lag. I obviously wanted to send it to another channel14:34
WizzupI think I was pressing super + a instead of alt + a14:35
WizzupI was in XOFF mode, so I didn't see what I was typing due to extremely slow connection14:35
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merlin1991ah irssi :D14:35
WizzupWhen I used XON again, I saw I had send it to the wrong channel14:35
Wizzupyes14:35
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merlin1991quassel ftw ;)14:36
WizzupWell, I'm on windows atm due to uni machines only having windows in this room14:36
Wizzupso putty works14:36
merlin1991quassel works on win too ;)14:40
edheldilDocScrutinizer:  even more degrees below zero than EDDN. But never mind14:41
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stazis the ssh server down? why I tried to upload via scp I get a Connect to host drop.maemo.org port 22 : Connection timed out17:19
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stazand I get a  click in the contact view,17:22
stazerm17:22
stazI get a "scp returned a nonzero exit code" almost immediatly when I use dput17:22
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stazit's my first upload so maybe I did something wrong17:23
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vi___Hello18:37
vi___is it possible to connect 2 bluetooth headsets to the n900 at once?18:37
vi___Then route audio from one headset to the other?18:37
keriowell, there's definetely enough bandwidth to do so, for one way18:39
kerionot sure about two-way though18:39
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timelesskerio: can the n900 do a2dp? (as the client not host)19:09
keriotimeless: well, it has bluetooth :)19:09
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timelessyeah..19:10
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keriotimeless: so... write a program to do so? :D19:15
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keriotimeless: not sure if you can do something with pulseaudio to do that automagically19:22
kerioprobably not19:22
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keriois there enough bandwidth to transmit a2dp-like stereo *and* a mono mic through bluetooth?19:23
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tank-mankerio, i believe so, i can do it with my mw600, bluetooth headset19:29
tank-manhttp://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/mw600?lc=en&cc=gb19:29
keriois that a particular sony thing?19:29
kerioi meant at the same time, mind you19:29
tank-manno, it is bluetooth19:29
tank-manlike listening to music and talking at same time?19:30
kerioyeah19:30
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tank-manmy music app auto pauses when incomming call19:31
tank-mandont know19:31
keriotank-man: well, that's not at the same time, is it19:31
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kerioit just switches from a2dp to hsp or hfp19:31
Gear_hey there's a linux app for this keychain "photoframe" that turns it into an external display19:32
Gear_I was wondering if it'd compile with the n900 kernel and work with usb19:33
dRbiGhello... i've managed to rip off the usb socket along with traces, does anyone have any idea if there are any other points on the board where i can access usb traces?...19:34
SpeedEvilyes.19:34
SpeedEvilThere is a page on it - perhaps on the wiki - maybe TMO, with solderpoints19:35
Gear_to his question or mine19:35
Gear_http://spritesmods.com/?art=picframe19:35
SpeedEvilUnfortunately, I'm aFK at the moment19:35
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tank-mankerio, yea, i cant19:35
Gear_any chance this could work?19:35
dRbiGSpeedEvil: thank you, i'll google and try to find it19:35
keriotank-man: it's not possible with any consumer hardware, i think19:35
dRbiGit so sad to have a perfectly working n900 without the ability to charge the battery...19:35
kerioi was talking about the possibility to do so19:36
keriodRbiG: buy an external battery charger, in the meantime19:36
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Gear_dRbiG there are external... what he said19:36
Gear_like 10 bucks max19:36
keriotry not to use them for a long period though19:36
keriothey're chinese crap, they'll seriously eat your battery19:37
* kerio says, while looking at his crappy chinese battery charger he's been using for more than a year and a half now19:37
Gear_mine doesn't quite charge the battery full but I got it as an emergency thing and it has USB ports19:37
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Gear_my 2nd n900 should come in the mail tomorrow19:38
Gear_what's something cool to do with 2 of them19:38
Gear_(apart from locking one in a moisture proof place for the possibility of the first one breaking badly)19:39
kerioGear_: you could send it to me!19:39
Gear_I'd rather use them as video walkie talkies using gstreamer19:40
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Gear_or just dedicate one to an internet tablet and the new one as my actual phone19:40
Gear_for something that's got pretty awesome hardware there is ONE "music production" app, and it's a port of milkytracker from the fricken amiga19:41
Gear_unless there are some repositories I'm missing out on, I can't find anything audio/music related19:42
kerioGear_: PA sucks enough when you're just playing sound you already have19:42
kerioand you want to actually *make* more?19:42
Gear_yeah I'm very sure. I've been doing it on a nintendo DS so far19:43
Gear_(another tracker program)19:43
Gear_there's some live stuff and I've made some hardware for the ds but there's a goddamn appaling lack of anything audio related for the n90019:44
Gear_something I thought people would be all over19:44
nicofsDoes anyone know something about issues using JoikuSpot and encrypted WLAN?19:46
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stazhow do you modify who is the maintainer of a package?20:56
Robot101in Debian, upload with a new Maintainer: field in debian/control20:58
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Estel_Hi there, Maemo.21:19
Estel_Little question from developing noob - how to easily make .sh script reading certain values from config file (user-editable)21:20
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Estel_define some values as 'value=$cat config_file | grep blabla', or what?21:21
Estel_the thing is, that I've prepared some scripts for next TrueCrypt release - automating "switching" to encrypted swap when needed, and going back to regular swap afterwards21:22
Estel_Now, I would like to allow users define their swap and encrypted partitions locations via easy editable text file, instead of pointing them to edit sctipt itself21:23
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Estel_nooby question, I suppos, but any hints on 'proper' approach appreciated :)21:23
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Estel_BTW, SpeedEvil, some time ago You've told me about certain ext4 value, desined to help in case of flash device. wide-something, related to our block writing21:24
SpeedEvilDon't think I did21:24
Estel_I can't seem to find it, could You please tell me again how it was called?21:24
Estel_oh, sorry, it seems that my memory fades :/21:24
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RzRhi21:33
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RzRis navicore still usable ? or they killed it ?21:34
DocScrutinizerEstel_: might have been ShadowJK21:37
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Gear_is there a way to find the devices supported by H-E-N ?21:40
NIN102Estel_: hell-builtin "source" is what you are looking for I think.21:40
NIN102s/hell-builtin/shell-builtin21:40
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  thanks, will help in log searchs, or I'll just ask him in case of failure21:46
Estel_NIN102,  thanks, will google about this function21:46
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Estel_NIN102,  source seems to load file and execute commands from it21:48
NIN102and you can define your variables...21:48
Estel_how could it also parse config-like files, and get variables from it?21:48
NIN102foo=bar?21:49
Estel_yea, but config file should be user friendly. Of course, I can put blabla=$blabla1 there21:49
DocScrutinizerNIN102: nope21:49
Estel_well, doesn't sound bad21:49
NIN102and why not?21:49
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  please continue?21:49
NIN102DocScrutinizer: why "nope"?21:50
DocScrutinizerIIRC it was sth along fs-driver parameters for ext4 on flash, like erasepage-width=204821:50
NIN102we were talking  about config variables for shellscripts21:51
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  thanks. It's about diferrent topic, yet still thanks :)21:51
DocScrutinizerooh, I missed a topic jump21:51
Estel_We're multitasking a little ;)21:52
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DocScrutinizerGear_: list what?21:52
DocScrutinizerfind devices supported by h-e-n?21:53
DocScrutinizerwhat do you mean?21:53
Estel_probably, he mean things, that we have modules/drivers for, or at least, linux have, and we can use them on Maemo ;)21:54
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Estel_i.e. "let me google that for You"21:54
RzRj #nbada21:54
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Estel_so, Gear_ , the answer is "H-E-N" support every device, that is USB compatible - it can enumerate it. Further support is not related to HEN21:55
DocScrutinizerexactly21:56
DocScrutinizerexcept some gadgets that need isochronous mode on USB, maemo usb kernel driver doesn't support that21:57
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Gear_HEN had a kernel that came with it21:57
Gear_but not anymore21:57
Gear_so if a device needs a driver what do I do?21:57
DocScrutinizerwell, we joined the hostmode patches to powerkernel21:57
Gear_awesome21:58
DocScrutinizerand if you need a driver that'S not readily available for powerkernel, you build it - for powerkernel :-)21:58
Gear_I don't know how to do that.21:58
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  for sake of curiosity, what kind of devices need isochronous mode on USB?21:59
Estel_gadgets, I mean. USB gadgets.21:59
DocScrutinizerthen you drop by here and ask if some nice soul would do that for you, e.g pali or freemangordon or MohammadAG or ...21:59
DocScrutinizerEstel_: some webcams21:59
DocScrutinizersome low latency audiocards22:00
DocScrutinizerI'm not too sure about particular devices that use isochronous mode22:00
Estel_I see. quasi-realtime, without ensuring that no data will be lost22:01
DocScrutinizerprobably most will fall back to a more common (bulk?) mode when iso isn't available22:01
Gear_are game controllers east to get working22:01
Estel_where guaranteed data rate is more important than ensuring no data loss.22:01
DocScrutinizerEstel_: yep22:01
Gear_I'm wating for a host mode cable before I can actually try this22:02
DocScrutinizerGear_: game controllers should be utterly easy to get working22:02
Estel_Gear_,  I created my hostmode cable myself. Even incorporated twisted-pair and shielding/screening ;)22:02
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Gear_I don't really have anything to cut up so I got a couple of host mode cables off ebay22:03
DocScrutinizernot recommended - though GOD I've seen adapters soooo bad22:03
DocScrutinizerthis friggin thing that swapped GND and VBUS :-o22:04
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  my adapter went bad, so I just dissasembled it (it was assembled "once for all", so ĩ've torn it apart" is more true", then used only ports22:04
Estel_lol22:04
Gear_the n8X0 cables should work though?22:05
Estel_well, most things that You can buy, even when not screwed, doesn't have port case connected to ground22:05
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Estel_so, there is only screening at best, not shielding22:05
DocScrutinizerthe guy who purchased that one was actually lucky he didn't fry a single of his gadgets he tried to get working on N90022:05
Estel_like the guy, who tried to use wire-only USB o LAN adapter?22:06
Estel_as LAN-to-USB gadget?22:06
DocScrutinizerouch, another nice one, YEAH22:06
Estel_he was lucky, that he didn't connected it to line with 50V, or so22:06
DocScrutinizeryep22:06
DocScrutinizer"no boy, this is NOT an 'adapter'!"22:07
Estel_blame english language with many meanings for single world. Actually, it *adapts* plugs ;)22:07
DocScrutinizerwell, I have to say RJ45 are used for a mindboggling lot of usecases22:08
* DocScrutinizer glares at his flashing mount22:08
Gear_where are you guys from?22:08
Estel_hah.22:08
DocScrutinizerI'm bastard operator from hell22:08
Estel_I'm not dating on Maemo IRC, sorry.22:08
NIN102why not? the idea is kinda funny (assuming there girls in here :P)22:09
DocScrutinizeractually this feels like a special hell right now:22:09
DocScrutinizer~weather EDDN22:09
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2012.02.02 1950 UTC; Dew Point: -2 F (-19 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.36 in. Hg (1028 hPa); Relative Humidity: 47%; Temperature: 14 F (-10 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the NE (050 degrees) at 6 MPH (5 KT); Windchill: 5 F (-15 C)22:09
Estel_seriously though, Poland. May I aks why You ask?     BTW, we're not so scarry, as it seems from last messags22:09
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Estel_o f... infobot got weather? DocScrutinizer, You could tell me that instead of onjoin ;)22:10
Estel_is there any way to make it auto-show weather data when certain individual connects?22:10
Estel_Joking.22:10
Estel_~weather Posen22:10
infobot;  ; last updated:22:10
DocScrutinizerOMG I told estel about infobot weather, now the climate here will be fsckd forever ;-P22:10
Estel_thanks a lot...22:11
Estel_expect ice age ;)22:11
DocScrutinizer~+help weather22:11
infobotno help on weather.  Use 'help' without arguments.22:11
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DocScrutinizerWUT?22:12
Gear__I hate this router22:12
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Estel_~weather Poznań22:12
infobot;  ; last updated:22:12
DocScrutinizer~weather exds22:12
infobotI can't find station code "EXDS" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).22:12
Estel_oh, thanks22:13
Gear_I asked because it seemed english wasn't your first language22:13
DocScrutinizernah, I'm using an acquired accent on IRC, to fool users22:14
DocScrutinizer;-)22:14
Estel_~weather EPPO22:14
infobotPoznan, Poland; (EPPO) 52-25N 016-50E 92M; last updated: 2012.02.02 2000 UTC; Dew Point: 0 F (-18 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.56 in. Hg (1035 hPa); Relative Humidity: 71%; Temperature: 6 F (-14 C); Visibility: 2 mile(s); Weather: Mist; Wind: Variable at 2 MPH (2 KT)22:14
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Estel_BTW, last few days I got troubles connecting to freenode. Seriously, I though that You've had something to do with it, DocScrutinizer ;)22:16
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merlin1991wtf22:25
merlin1991according to the list we have like a lot of stations in austria, but not a single one in vienna22:25
merlin1991fsckd localization22:26
merlin1991list is in german and I didn't notice :P22:26
Gear_any in australia22:27
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merlin1991~weather 1103422:28
infobotI can't find station code "11034" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).22:28
merlin1991*fu infobot22:28
merlin1991~weather LOWW22:28
infobotWien / Schwechat-Flughafen, Austria; (LOWW) 48-07N 016-34E 190M; last updated: 2012.02.02 2020 UTC; Dew Point: 0 F (-18 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.42 in. Hg (1030 hPa); Relative Humidity: 66%; Temperature: 8 F (-13 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the NNW (340 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 KT); Windchill: -7 F (-22 C)22:28
merlin1991bah invalid data, too far away22:29
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Gear_13c here22:31
Gear_but it's 073322:32
Gear_be 30's later22:32
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ruskiehttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Peek-Classic-Pronto-9-leftovers/?kc=rss22:37
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* DocScrutinizer yawns and ponders booze until the freezing point is below ambient temperature22:38
DocScrutinizerfor windshield wash it works :-D22:38
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merlin1991hehe booze in the windshield water is the perfect solution to ice on your windshield :P22:41
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DocScrutinizeryeah22:43
DocScrutinizerhmm22:44
DocScrutinizerlogitech MX 550022:45
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Siceloi seem to be having a weird issue with bootmenu. i can't get BackupMenu to start with slide out. a reinstall of both doesn't help. i just remain with the white nokia logo till the timeout (30sec) ends, and i'm booted into maemo22:45
Sicelo:/22:45
NIN102get rid of bootmenu :P22:47
NIN102~bootmenu22:47
Sicelo:D22:47
Siceloi wish i could. but i need it for BackupMenu22:47
NIN102ah then I confused it with multiboot or so.22:47
Sicelobtw, u are not confusing it with multi-boot, are u?22:47
Siceloah, guessed so :D22:48
NIN102:-)22:48
DocScrutinizer~multiboot22:48
infobot[multiboot] at http://www.cantech.net.au/plug/08-1998/287.html22:48
DocScrutinizerwtf?22:48
DocScrutinizer~#maemo multiboot22:48
DocScrutinizero.O22:49
Sicelo~nitdroid22:49
infobothmm... nitdroid is Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project. If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco.22:49
Sicelo~maemo-multiboot22:49
infobotmethinks maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED22:49
blueslee~infobot22:49
DocScrutinizer~factinfo multiboot22:49
infobotfrom memory, infobot is happy22:49
infobotmultiboot -- it has been requested 8 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 1m 36s ago.22:49
DocScrutinizeraaah22:49
blueslee~aah:-)22:50
DocScrutinizer~#maemo multiboot is <replly>see maemo-multiboot22:50
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay22:50
DocScrutinizer~#maemo multiboot is <reply>see maemo-multiboot22:50
infobot...but #maemo multiboot is already something else...22:50
DocScrutinizerinfobot: no, #maemo multiboot is <reply>see maemo-multiboot22:50
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay22:50
DocScrutinizer~multiboot22:51
infobothmm... multiboot is at http://www.cantech.net.au/plug/08-1998/287.html22:51
DocScrutinizer~#maemo multiboot22:51
infobotmaemo-multiboot is, like, deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED22:51
Sicelobtw, that link is blank DocScrutinizer, at least for me22:51
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Gear_it keeps telling me to update maemo multiboot22:52
Gear_I can't remember why it's on there22:52
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Gear_nothing multiboots anyway22:52
DocScrutinizer~factinfo multiboot22:52
infobotmultiboot -- it has been requested 9 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 1m 36s ago.22:52
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DocScrutinizerseems defect22:53
DocScrutinizer~factinfo #maemo multiboot22:53
infobot#maemo multiboot -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> 3m 9s ago; last modified 2m 41s ago  by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested once, last by DocScrutinizer, 2m 15s ago.22:53
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DocScrutinizer~multiboot22:57
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED22:57
Siceloif only i could get bootmenu to work again..22:58
Sicelowhat version of libc6 do u guys have?22:58
DocScrutinizerbootmenu is a shell script22:58
Gear_is there a working version of ubuntu yet?22:59
ShadowJKEstel_; i dont think it was me, but stride-width, stripe-width or something like that?23:00
Siceloyes DocScrutinizer ...23:00
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jacekowskifosdem anyone?23:12
Gh0styy23:12
* rZr _o/23:13
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rZrjacekowski: are you ?23:18
jacekowskiyes23:19
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rZrif the earth do not freeze since that day23:19
rZrbefore that day23:19
jacekowskiwell, it's tomorrow23:20
rZri'll be in bxl tomorrow nite23:20
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Estel_thanks ShadowJK, will check that23:30
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DocScrutinizerfosdem? can't afford such fun23:31
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