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| DocScrutinizer | happy weekend, maemonians! | 00:42 |
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| dhbiker | same 2 you too :P | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | where to buy fresh N900 in unopened original package? | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | preferably in the EU, most preferably with qwerty keymat | 00:44 |
| ShadowJK | me too | 00:44 |
| ShadowJK | (n900 fresh) | 00:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: seems I owe you one anyway? Will get 2 or 3 when I can find any, one for you :-D | 01:03 |
| dhbiker | i got myself a 2 month old N900 | 01:03 |
| dhbiker | with warranty and everything :))) | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | :D | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | You don't owe me anything, but if you can locate a source and obtain one I'd appreciate it and pay for it :P | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | on my todo list | 01:07 |
| cehteh | dhbiker: nice, but you know, warranty is a joke, you'll not going to get a replacement | 01:08 |
| cehteh | (well replacement as in some other phone) | 01:08 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: checked amazon? | 01:09 |
| dhbiker | cehteh ? | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | not yet | 01:09 |
| cehteh | dhbiker: nokia has no spares anymore .. since about a year or so | 01:10 |
| dhbiker | aww snap | 01:10 |
| dhbiker | -.- | 01:10 |
| cehteh | so, be careful with yours :) | 01:11 |
| dhbiker | so if anything goes worng i'll have to accept some other shitty symbian based phone ? | 01:11 |
| dhbiker | wrong* | 01:11 |
| cehteh | maybe even worse .. windows phone :P | 01:12 |
| dhbiker | omg -.- | 01:12 |
| * dhbiker will try to be extra careful | 01:12 | |
| cehteh | dunno what they offer for exchange currently | 01:12 |
| dhbiker | i hope you can get the N9 with extra payment :P | 01:13 |
| cehteh | n9? | 01:13 |
| cehteh | well i dont want | 01:13 |
| dhbiker | meego is just a toy | 01:13 |
| dhbiker | xD | 01:13 |
| dhbiker | too bad that N950 is not for sale | 01:14 |
| cehteh | bada will merge into tizen, surprise, ... i hope my n900 will keep going until samsung comes out with a cool new linux phone with all free software in a few years :) | 01:15 |
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| cehteh | that now looks more promising than i hoped | 01:15 |
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| dhbiker | heh | 01:15 |
| brooklyn | a fw years? | 01:15 |
| cehteh | and nokia gets what they deserved, sorry but their own fault | 01:15 |
| dhbiker | true | 01:15 |
| brooklyn | rumors are dvices this yr | 01:15 |
| cehteh | cool | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | is that SNLP ? | 01:16 |
| dhbiker | linux based samsung ? | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | or did they call it slp | 01:16 |
| cehteh | dunno, i just read a short announcement but not the whole article | 01:16 |
| dhbiker | SLP :P | 01:16 |
| cehteh | but samsung always had my highest hopes for the next *free* phone, of course thats to be proven still | 01:17 |
| dhbiker | http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2011/02/samsung-is-backing-linux-slp.html | 01:17 |
| cehteh | samsung did already a lot linux stuff | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the raster phone :-D | 01:18 |
| cehteh | yep :) | 01:18 |
| cehteh | would be a good choice i think | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually raster been rather quiet lately about "his" phone | 01:19 |
| cehteh | NDA .. he needs to have food on the table too | 01:19 |
| cehteh | the quieter he is the more is going on perhaps | 01:19 |
| cehteh | unfortunally samsung is not 100% buyed into this free software thingy | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, he used to drop by here or in #meego every other month, uttering a obscure "stay tuned!" | 01:20 |
| cehteh | yes | 01:20 |
| cehteh | well i was absent for some time from here :) | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | not so the last ~5 moths | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | months | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen raster | 01:21 |
| dhbiker | well doesnt matter as long as we get another N900 alternative :P | 01:21 |
| * cehteh wonders how much samsung has to pay to apple when they cancel all contracts ... | 01:21 | |
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| infobot | raster <raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 11d 17h 4m 44s ago, saying: 'who knows about next month'. | 01:21 |
| brooklyn | he has talked a bunch in #tizen | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh | 01:21 |
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| brooklyn | i have a feeling samsung can afford to bankroll plans C-Z if google screws them over on Android somehow | 01:22 |
| brooklyn | so who knows how big of a deal it is to them | 01:22 |
| cehteh | well without samsung there would be no iSomething at all | 01:22 |
| dhbiker | heh | 01:22 |
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| cehteh | if they kiss apple a goodbye, then they will loose a LOT of money, but maybe they get huge dent in the market too | 01:24 |
| cehteh | evil masterplan | 01:24 |
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| brooklyn | apple has bought so many SoC type companies | 01:24 |
| brooklyn | perhaps they could just find someone new to fab their A4/A5 stuff.. | 01:24 |
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| cehteh | there is a reasons that they didnt do that yet, no one can do it at least in that volume.. and there are other parts as well | 01:25 |
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| ShadowJK | Samsung cpu maker is different from Samsung phone maker | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as rater used to put it: Samsung isn't one company, rather many companies that even compete with each other, and just share one brand name | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster* | 02:04 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Happy weekend to you too :) | 03:39 |
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| aholler | hmm, whats going on with kernel-power? I wanted to install u-boot, that wants kernel-power-46, that seems to have disappeared and the new ones aren't available. Look like I have to do most of the needed stuff manually. | 06:43 |
| Hurrian | use the new u-boot plus kernel-power v49 | 06:46 |
| Hurrian | c/o pali | 06:46 |
| aholler | is there somewhere a small tutorial about that? I'm new to using u-boot on the n900 ;) | 06:49 |
| LaoLang_cool | kernel-power-46? what's the advantage compared with the offical one? | 06:50 |
| aholler | there are already at 49. 46 is just required for uboot-power | 06:50 |
| LaoLang_cool | kernel-power means power saving, or makeing n900 more powerful? | 06:51 |
| aholler | have a look at the wiki, some stuff is explained there | 06:52 |
| aholler | but it isn't for power-saving | 06:53 |
| LaoLang_cool | ok, will search for it | 06:55 |
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| StyXman | is there any way to see the booting messages of N900, from the boot loader on or later, more like a computer? | 10:33 |
| StyXman | that is, I want to know why my device does not boot after doing a restore of /home via rsync | 10:34 |
| _freemangordon | StyXman, KP49 and framebuffer console | 10:34 |
| StyXman | so without the new kernel Iń fried. reflashing is my only option? | 10:37 |
| _freemangordon | StyXman, that is how you can see boot messages, said nothing about reflashing | 10:38 |
| StyXman | ok, right. I meant, with the original kernel I can't, as as the device is not booting not even to the bootmenu, ... | 10:38 |
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| Sicelo | u need fbcon for boot messages, which doesn't work with stock kernel, afaik | 10:57 |
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| StyXman | Sicelo: ack | 11:02 |
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| chem|st | !cssu | 11:40 |
| chem|st | ~cssu | 11:40 |
| infobot | cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 11:40 |
| chem|st | ~cssu-changelog | 11:40 |
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| fw190 | DocScrutinizer: http://www.euro.com.pl/telefony-komorkowe/nokia-n900.bhtml | 11:58 |
| fw190 | brand new | 11:58 |
| fw190 | 288 euro | 11:59 |
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| dhbiker | hi there | 12:00 |
| fw190 | hello | 12:00 |
| dhbiker | can i flash the global FW on N900 ? | 12:00 |
| dhbiker | or do i need this branded stuff | 12:00 |
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| fw190 | are there branded firmawres? | 12:02 |
| dhbiker | oops | 12:02 |
| dhbiker | i mean like USA and other continents | 12:02 |
| fw190 | I think that when you flash both images you could | 12:03 |
| fw190 | use the firmware you like | 12:03 |
| fw190 | but not know 100% | 12:03 |
| Arkenoi | a guy on local forum (maemos.ru) sold everything nokia gave him for last years -- 2*n900, e7, n9 and n950, for ~$2K total. Too bad I did not monitor it frequently enough :-( | 12:03 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: So,did he buy an iPhone and an iPad instead? | 12:08 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, no idea, he did not provide any details | 12:11 |
| Arkenoi | but i'd happily buy all his stuff if i wasn't late | 12:11 |
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| Arkenoi | n950 as backup one, n9 is a good gift, n900's for two friends who are continuously whining they are not being sold anymore, e7 for a girl who likes to play angry birds and has no touchscreen phone | 12:13 |
| Arkenoi | (i already own n950, n900 and e7) | 12:13 |
| Sicelo | dhbiker: yes.. global is considered best | 12:15 |
| dhbiker | tnx Sicelo | 12:15 |
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| chem|st | fw190: there was some vodafoneUK fw afair | 12:17 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: I think the guy is the "site founder" or "forum owner" or whatever web managing bozos like to call themselves | 12:30 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: really good thread to troll in, en masse =) | 12:31 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, well, anyway, no idea why he is selling all his stuff. but it is already sold :-( btw he seems to be the only person i know (except myself) who got n950 *not* by the developers program | 12:32 |
| RST38h | yeah, he was fed by nokia marketing I think | 12:34 |
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| dhbiker | i need to flash eMMC first right ? | 12:52 |
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| Wizzup | So I have this kernel: 2.6.28.10-power49. I have an extra mmc card and would like to check out nemo. However, last time I tried to install u-boot I spent half a day trying to get my phone to boot again. Any suggestions as to _what_ uboot package I should install | 12:55 |
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| NIN101 | maybe none | 12:59 |
| NIN101 | to test it, you can load _load_ it by using the flasher. | 13:00 |
| Wizzup | I suppose that would do for now | 13:00 |
| Wizzup | Your rescue image worked nicely btw | 13:00 |
| NIN101 | thx. | 13:00 |
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| Wizzup | NIN101: so basically I flash the latest nemo image to my extra card, put it in, and boot it using flasher? | 13:08 |
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| NIN101 | yes. | 13:09 |
| Wizzup | ok | 13:10 |
| NIN101 | at least it was possible with meego-ce, didn't try it with nemo but I assume it should work. | 13:11 |
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| woodong50 | hi | 16:02 |
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| Sicelo | hi woodong50 | 16:06 |
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| StyXman | kp49 is in testing or devel? | 16:26 |
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| Sicelo | devel | 16:35 |
| Sicelo | all kp from 47 is in devel | 16:36 |
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| StyXman | Sicelo: k, tx | 16:51 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, i find this weird. when running debian via bootmenu method, udev refuses to run, saying kernel needed is 2.6.32 or higher. yet, it runs under maemo (and Easy Debian) for same kernel (kp49) | 19:06 |
| NIN101 | the udev version you are running on debian is too new. | 19:07 |
| Sicelo | that's what i guessed. hmm :/ | 19:08 |
| * Sicelo must get a an usd card to stop using bootmenu | 19:10 | |
| Sicelo | right now i have a 12GB MyDocs & using the remaining space for Debian experiments | 19:12 |
| NIN101 | or recompile the kernel to support booting from EMMC. but getting a sd card should be better for experiments. Then again, PK won't boot from sd without recompilation too. | 19:13 |
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| trumee | Strange why KP49 is marked as stable, when it doesnt work right | 19:15 |
| trumee | in the thread on tmo | 19:15 |
| Sicelo | thanks for info :) once i get sd card i'll just go u-boot way | 19:15 |
| Sicelo | trumee: what's wrong with it? | 19:16 |
| trumee | Sicelo, videos dont work out of the box | 19:16 |
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| trumee | Sicelo, and i dont have any of the special codecs install. It is plain broken. | 19:16 |
| Sicelo | sounds like issue is on your device. mine is ok | 19:17 |
| NIN101 | my suggestion: avoiding maemo kernel at all for experiments with other distris, as this version is getting old... and it may be isn't a good idea to take old stuff with you. Nemo's kernel should be ok. | 19:18 |
| Sicelo | or u mean the 720 ..something video? | 19:18 |
| StyXman | Sicelo: and do you install packages from the original maemo on top of debian? | 19:19 |
| trumee | Sicelo, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1156295&postcount=2629 | 19:20 |
| trumee | Sicelo, no a normal SD video | 19:20 |
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| trumee | Sicelo, i have gone back to KP48 | 19:20 |
| dhbiker-n900 | nice it works | 19:20 |
| trumee | Sicelo, videos in KP49 throw up error. And i am not into HD or overclocking | 19:21 |
| Sicelo | no StyXman i boot debian and install packages from debian's repos | 19:21 |
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| trumee | Sicelo, so i dont want to mess around with those. if out of the box SD videos dont work in KP49 then imho it is not stable. | 19:22 |
| Sicelo | trumee: i've been on 49 for a month now and haven5m had any issue with videos. no overclocking here too | 19:22 |
| trumee | Sicelo, did you add any HD codecs? | 19:22 |
| trumee | Sicelo, 720 modifications? | 19:23 |
| Sicelo | nope. | 19:23 |
| * trumee is on CSSU stable btw | 19:23 | |
| Sicelo | i don't play with stuff that comes close to overclocking. i'm on cssu stable too :P | 19:23 |
| trumee | Sicelo, no idea why it is doesnt work here. | 19:24 |
| trumee | Sicelo, right. want to try one of my video files? | 19:24 |
| Sicelo | btw, 48 is more borked than 47, afaik. | 19:24 |
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| Sicelo | trumee: yeah | 19:25 |
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| Sicelo | small clip if ossible. i can't download that much data :( | 19:25 |
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| trumee | Sicelo, http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp4/dw.com.com/redir/cnet_2012-01-23-175133.dl.mp4?destUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fcnet.co%2FxfurbS%3FADPARAMS%3DBRAND%3D47%7CSITE%3D53%7CSP%3D181%7CPOS%3D100%7CNCAT%3D13482%3A13489%3A&ontId=14106&siteId=145&edId=3&asid=50118791&pid=&astId=31<ype=dl_dlnow | 19:27 |
| trumee | Sicelo, http://feeds.feedburner.com/cnet/top5?format=xml | 19:27 |
| Sicelo | thanks for suggestions NIN101. | 19:28 |
| trumee | Sicelo, any of the videos from the above list | 19:28 |
| Sicelo | lemme see | 19:28 |
| dhbiker | no equalizer on media player ? | 19:30 |
| dhbiker | blah | 19:30 |
| trumee | Sicelo, try out any of the mp4 | 19:31 |
| dhbiker | anybody jnows how to use alsamixer on the N900 ? | 19:32 |
| Sicelo | downloading ... btw, they play on kp48? | 19:32 |
| dhbiker | k* | 19:32 |
| Sicelo | dhbiker: alsamixer -c 0. but better to leave the settings alone | 19:33 |
| trumee | Sicelo, yes, fine on kp48 | 19:34 |
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| dhbiker | Sicelo: tnx | 19:35 |
| dhbiker | i might port alsa equalizer to n900 | 19:35 |
| dhbiker | i love that one <3 | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 19:35 |
| trumee | Sicelo, why do you say kp48 is worse than 47? | 19:36 |
| Sicelo | well, i downloaded one mp4.. it plays for a while then stops :( | 19:44 |
| trumee | Sicelo, exactly! | 19:45 |
| trumee | Sicelo, look in dmesg | 19:45 |
| Sicelo | yeah, same output as in tmo post | 19:46 |
| Sicelo | brb | 19:46 |
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| trumee | Sicelo, kp49 is broken imho because of this. | 19:48 |
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| trumee | freemangordon, ping | 19:50 |
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| dhbiker | is there any media remote for linux pc | 20:29 |
| dhbiker | ? | 20:29 |
| trumee | dhbiker, lirc? | 20:30 |
| dhbiker | i dont have IR on the pc | 20:30 |
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| trumee | dhbiker, there are usb ir receivers available | 20:32 |
| trumee | dhbiker, or even serial | 20:32 |
| Sicelo | trumee: agreed. well, it seems, from what i've read so far, u can't have the best of both worlds. if u need kp functionality some rough edges are inevitable. i only need it for h-e-n | 20:32 |
| dhbiker | serial ? | 20:32 |
| dhbiker | lol | 20:32 |
| trumee | Sicelo, iirc the plan is to merge kp in cssu | 20:33 |
| Sicelo | hmmm, the video played even longer just now | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: how's powerkernel related to mp4 playback breakage? | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you undervolt or overclock | 20:34 |
| trumee | Sicelo, everytime i tried dsp complained. | 20:34 |
| Sicelo | trumee: i guess DocScrutinizer is asking u, not me :P | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | powerkernel couldn't do anything regarding DSP, even if it liked to do | 20:36 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer, kp49 breaks video playback even without overclock/underclock | 20:37 |
| Sicelo | well DocScrutinizer, trumee has videos that play fine with kp48, and crash dsp on kp49. | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't see how pk could cause that | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then otoh I dunno what Pali does to powerkernel that'S not approved in any way, like e.g. that notorious nasty "patch" supposed to "fix" bq27200.ko breakage of bme, but actually the patch breaking whole I2C system on device | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | too many kiddies hacking away on kernel, in a way that's incompatible with quality management requirements for system mission critical things like... kernel | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | no public discussion with the experts that should know better, no reviews of patches, no evaluations of risk and impact... | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | just in line with the common notion GSM stack should be FOSS so everybody could test his weird kinky ideas on real live BTS | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hail industry for never making those wet dreams come true for the pseudo hackers | 20:45 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1156295&postcount=2629 | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 20:46 |
| RST38h | Doc, you are continuing to repeat this stuff with such conviction, as if you were the embodiment of the whole cell services industry | 20:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders why he might be interested at all | 20:46 | |
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| RST38h | To which I say: if some moron wants to destroy his phone in the most convoluted way possible, let him | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: no, I'm just a happy user of those cell services | 20:47 |
| StyXman | dhbiker: you mean, a media remote control or remote media «share» or remote media streaming? | 20:47 |
| RST38h | Happy cell services user? Rare animal these days. | 20:47 |
| dhbiker | StyXman: media remote control | 20:47 |
| StyXman | dhbiker: well, depends on the media player, they can have web interfaces to control them | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, with the script kiddie next house trying his newest "improvements" to the way GSM OTA protocol works, I'd probably be a pissed or even arrested for murder cell services user | 20:48 |
| dhbiker | StyXman: none of the players that i use have web interface | 20:49 |
| RST38h | this will eventually lead to the industry hardening the GSM protocol against tampering, which is a good thing | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 20:49 |
| StyXman | dhbiker: then an usb IrDA dongle would be a good option, I guess | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, and if one user of thin ethernet (you remember, the one with coax cable) was testing his homegrown PHY on his NIC, thus tearing down your whole network, you probably just say "thank you, this for sure will make industry invent a better protocol to share a medium like a coax cable where you couldn't mess up things anymore" | 20:52 |
| StyXman | which is the part in charge of mounting/demounting the partitions that are exported in mass storage mode? | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: dream on! | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ke-recv in addition to some scripts | 20:53 |
| StyXman | DocScrutinizer: that last one was for me, right? | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 20:54 |
| StyXman | k, tx | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 20:54 |
| StyXman | it's incredible how it stubbornly sticks with vfat | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | pali (iirc) just recently published a fixed version, to go into CSSU | 20:55 |
| StyXman | hmm, I should read about cssu | 20:55 |
| * StyXman goes to | 20:55 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=12425760 | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | not exactly about VFAT, but a good starting point nevertheless | 20:57 |
| Macer | damnit | 20:58 |
| Macer | have a flat tire | 20:58 |
| Macer | and the wind chill is 18F | 20:58 |
| Macer | fun fun! | 20:58 |
| StyXman | DocScrutinizer: tx again :) | 20:58 |
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| NIN101 | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ye37Eqdj haha, meltemi is real and there will be some desktop emulator it seems. Nokia loves to paste stuff over pastebin.com. | 21:02 |
| brooklyn | what does it mean | 21:03 |
| brooklyn | Elop/WinMo is plan A right now (gotta give it a try i guess) | 21:04 |
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| brooklyn | DocScruti(:#maemo)] too many kiddies hacking away on kernel <- talk is cheap, i booted Debian on internal eMMC thanks to PAli's fixes on u-boot | 21:05 |
| brooklyn | im still lookingn for a nice 3.1/3.2 series kernel for n900 | 21:06 |
| brooklyn | with all the drivers from git-repos in quasi-broken state rolled in | 21:06 |
| brooklyn | bring on the kernel panics! | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | brooklyn: so what? anything you want to tell me? | 21:07 |
| brooklyn | nope | 21:07 |
| brooklyn | i dont think we should discourage kiddies | 21:07 |
| brooklyn | eventually some of them may gain experience, and become useful | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I kick them off my lawn, and my lawn here is *my* kernel | 21:07 |
| brooklyn | maybe one will be sick of all this abandonware and go found a NOKIA competitor in their garage, CordiaHD style but actualy get somewhere | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | they can mess with *their* kernel all they want, but stay the fuck away of publicly used kernels | 21:08 |
| brooklyn | oh sure enough | 21:08 |
| brooklyn | all im familiar with is .deb's downloaded from http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 21:08 |
| brooklyn | when i DL .deb's off some random .cz site i know what im getting into :) | 21:09 |
| brooklyn | like those FM '76-88' modules that broke my GPS | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | err wut? | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever, pali shouldn't intergrate each and every shit into powerkernel indiscriminately | 21:11 |
| brooklyn | there must be some regression-test suite that core kernel devs use | 21:13 |
| brooklyn | perhaps in a special hacked up Xen/VBox instance | 21:13 |
| StyXman | brooklyn: it depends on if you're testing the core kernel or some hardware driver | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's two classes of kernel "patches", one is stuff like that bq27200.ko module that is strictly optional and I can opt to keep it off my system (which actually I like to do as it breaks things), the other is patches like to i2c driver to make such a broken module "work", which breaks whole kernel, can smoke up my hardware, and I got NO option to keep it out of new kernel version I might want to install | 21:14 |
| StyXman | the latter is not much virtualizabe | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | brooklyn: there's no such thing, as kernel is simply too complex to do automatic regression tests that would reliably reveal fuckups like the one done to I2C driver by neutering the exclusive lock of bus | 21:15 |
| * StyXman cssu'd | 21:15 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | brooklyn: that's probably the reason why only experienced kernel hackers should send patches "upstream" - for us "upstream" pretty much is powerkernel | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and fools thinking it's a nice idea to patch some hack into a working driver (here I2C) to change the API semantics so another (broken fubar) driver (here bq27200.ko) could still work - OMG I can't tell what I got ideas for those fools | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way to cure this by any automated regression test | 21:23 |
| brooklyn | i with NIN, abandon 2.6.28-maemo ASAP | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | those fols would also patch the test XP | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | pfff | 21:24 |
| StyXman | DocScrutinizer: I think it's better to channelize their enthusiasm | 21:24 |
| brooklyn | the vanila implementations for HW in n900 has diff API than whatever gunk is in .28 | 21:24 |
| brooklyn | so userspace stuff talking to it is quasibroken in debian sid, etc | 21:24 |
| brooklyn | cyou really need to get on a proper kernel if you want to move beyond maemo | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | brooklyn: fine! so what do you suggest for the blobs we got on 28 to make things like DSP work? | 21:25 |
| NIN101 | brooklyn: I never made such statement. I said you shouldn't take it with you when you want to play around with other distros. Besides that, you can't really use anything else than 2.6.28 on maemo. | 21:25 |
| brooklyn | hmm | 21:25 |
| brooklyn | HW decoding of mp3s via gst? | 21:25 |
| brooklyn | not sure what DSP module does | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe you got an idea what liblocation does, then? | 21:26 |
| brooklyn | all i know is, Maep open, fm player crashes after a few minutes, i cant even multitask 2 basic apps on maemo | 21:26 |
| brooklyn | so im definitely wanting to try a modern kernel and *completely* different stack on top | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever that means | 21:26 |
| brooklyn | or better yet, sell the N900 while its still worth something and wait for Tizen or so | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | go ahead, then leave this chan and don't annoy users that are "happy" with their N900 | 21:27 |
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| brooklyn | im happy with mine | 21:27 |
| brooklyn | and suggesting peopole with different viewpoints to leav eis pretty terrible | 21:29 |
| brooklyn | way to get an insular circlejerk | 21:29 |
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| brooklyn | in retrospect, i shouldnt have bought n900. its not really open | 21:29 |
| brooklyn | should have just gotten a 4.3 " archos tablet and run Mer or Ubuntu | 21:29 |
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| * DocScrutinizer multitasks ~15 basic and not so basic "apps" on his N900 this very moment, and shrugs | 21:30 | |
| brooklyn | i bought into the "hey, ,its linke, GTK" | 21:30 |
| brooklyn | ithotu realizazing its a birdsnest of interdpendncis almost impossible to upgrad any pic | 21:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer also announces a trolling warning against brooklyn | 21:31 | |
| brooklyn | id like PulseAudio to talk to Pulse on Arch/Gentoo/Debian over the network, but Maemo's version is too old | 21:31 |
| brooklyn | but i cant upgrade it, cuz of propreitary drivers, gst modules, dsp blobs, blah blah | 21:31 |
| brooklyn | it goes on and on lik this | 21:31 |
| brooklyn | im not trolling | 21:31 |
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| brooklyn | i just am not a damn fanboy, i made a pragmatic choice | 21:31 |
| brooklyn | it was certainly preferable to android/iOS | 21:31 |
| brooklyn | chromium in a debian chroot randomly 'poofs' and who knows if its some armhf vs armel on ancient kernel issue or xorg version creep | 21:32 |
| brooklyn | ive experiencexd X poofs on slight version mismatches for decades now | 21:32 |
| brooklyn | so i cant run 2 apps at once w/o one crapping out, i cant run a modern web browser stablely, i cant upgrade anything, and theres a ton of proprietary fgunk | 21:33 |
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| brooklyn | and upgrading to debian-sid breaks even more hardware support. so yay... | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | SO WHAT? | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks for informing us! | 21:33 |
| Sicelo | brooklyn: talk to estel wrt chromium on deb chroot.. he says it works better for him than even microb | 21:34 |
| brooklyn | so, i have a paperweight basically | 21:34 |
| brooklyn | never again.. | 21:34 |
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| Sicelo | btw what kernel is on harmattan? | 21:35 |
| NIN101 | 2.6.32 | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, he left? :-( too bad, I was pleased I finally kick him | 21:36 |
| Sicelo | nice. same as on my debian squeeze | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | the one thing you hear for sure of every troll you ask to stop doing that: "BUT BUT, I *am* not trolling!" | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | coming to #maemo and suggesting we all should abandon maemo as fast as possible surely is one of the more lame trolling I ever seen | 21:41 |
| dhbiker | lol | 21:42 |
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| nid0 | at least my n900 still works, im sure his suggested archos alternative would be a literal paperweight by now | 21:43 |
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| dhbiker | meh i like maemo | 21:47 |
| dhbiker | no need for anything else | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I hate maemo almost as much as this troll seems to do, but there's no point in bitching and moaning, as that won't change a bit about all the maybe not all made up shortcomings he listed in his monologue | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | still I know maemo enough by now to know my way around, and it's pretty usable on a day by day basis, thanks to all the nice guys taking care about it | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOT Nokia guys! | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are a few inside Nokia that still care about maemo, mostly in their leissure time I guess. Nokia at large evidently stopped maemo support though pretty much. | 21:52 |
| dhbiker | yeah | 21:53 |
| dhbiker | its usable | 21:53 |
| dhbiker | just like any other phone | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for now in my book maemo fremantle still is way more functional and mature and rock solid than any alternative, like mer or meego harmattan, or whatever else lines up to apply for a "phone linux" label | 21:57 |
| dhbiker | heh | 21:58 |
| dhbiker | i only miss the equalizer | 21:58 |
| dhbiker | but ill do it soon | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, equalizer is a long missing feature | 21:58 |
| dhbiker | :P | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | much appreciated | 21:58 |
| StyXman | there's an audio player which says to have an eq. I haven't tried it... | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know about the hw parametric EQ in codec, and about boostN900 ? | 21:59 |
| dhbiker | i have it | 21:59 |
| dhbiker | its only 8 band | 21:59 |
| dhbiker | app is called symfonie | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, 8 band graphic EQ seems good enough for all but studio equipment | 22:00 |
| dhbiker | not good enough for me :P | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and implementing the EQ into the mp3 decoder seems the most reasonable thing you could do | 22:01 |
| dhbiker | you can also use alsa equalizer | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | performance and architecture wise | 22:01 |
| dhbiker | like i don on the pc | 22:01 |
| dhbiker | do* | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, but that means you encode from frequency domain (mp3) to time domain (analog/wav/PCM), than back to frequency domain (FFT in EQ) then after some leveling on 8 or 16 ranges you again do a freq->time domain conversation | 22:03 |
| dhbiker | true | 22:03 |
| dhbiker | we will see how it goes | 22:04 |
| dhbiker | its worth trying :P | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | it will work but sure has potentially lower quality and about 3 to 4 times the CPU load | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | both no showstopper but not really nice | 22:05 |
| dhbiker | well then we will write or port a good media player :P | 22:06 |
| fizzie | ALSA equalizer (at least the 'alsaequal' one) is built on time-domain IIR filters, not fft-scale-fft. | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd *love* to see EQ in mohammediaplayer, but alas it is just using mafw and mafw does the mp3 decoding and has no EQ afaik | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | fizzie: true, but still above reasoning applies and would suggest to better do the filtering *before* mp3->time-domain | 22:08 |
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| dhbiker | heh here's the catch | 22:15 |
| dhbiker | what if i use FLAC | 22:15 |
| dhbiker | :P | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | good point | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I actually have several FLAC records on my N900 | 22:17 |
| * dhbiker will have to think about the solution | 22:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I think in the end we'll just be fine with a system wide EQ | 22:18 |
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| dhbiker | yeah... BUT this can break stuff like voice calls | 22:18 |
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| dhbiker | probably | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yet, have a look into the both topics I posted for you above: hw EQ and boost | 22:19 |
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| dhbiker | k | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | dhbiker: well, for sure we need to consider carefully about integration of that alsaEQ into current system | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | also check alsaped and all the weird stuff around it, boost will directly link you to that | 22:20 |
| dhbiker | yup | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas again a topic with absolutely no docs available anywhere I'd know of | 22:21 |
| * dhbiker will have to do a big research | 22:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's a demanding topic | 22:21 |
| dhbiker | i look at it as challenge :) | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | as Nokia didn't bother to explain any least significant bit about their audio design operation principles | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Policy Enforcer Daemon - wut? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually *that's* why I hate maemo | 22:23 |
| dhbiker | heh | 22:23 |
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| dhbiker | too bad that n900 has so weak battery | 22:33 |
| StyXman | that's why I have 3 and an external charger | 22:34 |
| dhbiker | lol | 22:35 |
| dhbiker | good idea | 22:35 |
| dhbiker | :P | 22:35 |
| StyXman | 2 batts and the charger for less that 15 euros | 22:35 |
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| dhbiker | not original i guess | 22:37 |
| StyXman | nop-e | 22:38 |
| dhbiker | thought so | 22:39 |
| dhbiker | how many mAh ? | 22:39 |
| StyXman | 1320 | 22:39 |
| dhbiker | qtirreco dowsnt want to download a remote -.- | 22:40 |
| dhbiker | LOL http request failed | 22:41 |
| dhbiker | and then freeze -.- | 22:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | me doesn't like the qt flavour of irreco | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw I dunno what you mean by "weak battery" | 22:47 |
| dhbiker | like 1 day authonomy | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my battery lasts at least 14h with always-internet and active xchat, via GSM/GPRS | 22:48 |
| dhbiker | well thats a weak battery for me :P | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | when sitting idle (with xchat and WLAN) at home, battery easily lasts >>48h | 22:48 |
| RST38h | Doc: For some people, any battery is going to be weak | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | dhbiker: haha, show me any other device that does 14h of data connection over GPRS from one battery | 22:49 |
| dhbiker | umm | 22:49 |
| * dhbiker can't think of any | 22:49 | |
| StyXman | dhbiker: that's pretty standard for smartphones | 22:50 |
| dhbiker | i guess | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, as no other device will support this usage pattern, they all freeze internet connection and background tasks as soon as you lock the screen | 22:50 |
| dhbiker | yup | 22:50 |
| dhbiker | do you have any of that battery improvement stuff installed <' | 22:51 |
| dhbiker | ?* | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no way, all that crap does exactly the opposite of what it's supposed to do | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and those battery usage and whatnot apps are more or less doing exactly what the name suggests: use battery :-D | 23:01 |
| dhbiker | lol | 23:02 |
| dhbiker | :D | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I recall one of those battery eye apps increasing CPU load from 0% to some xx%, thus reducing idle battery standby from several days to several hours | 23:02 |
| dhbiker | i didnt even installed that | 23:03 |
| dhbiker | i was like | 23:03 |
| dhbiker | battery improvement... yeah right | 23:03 |
| dhbiker | xD | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite helpful to know why your battery doesn't last as long as you'd like it to, no? ;-P NOW you know exactly why it depletes in hours | 23:03 |
| dhbiker | heheh | 23:04 |
| dhbiker | it depleted in hours because i was installing many apps and didnt let it sleep | 23:04 |
| dhbiker | :P | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | quite usually - meh almost *always* - there are exactly one or two reasons for short battery standby: some IM alike app that causes constant traffic to internet thus keeping modem or WLAN active all the time. And desktop widgets refresging like mad and thus hogging CPU | 23:06 |
| dhbiker | is there any way to disable this vibrating on touch screen | 23:07 |
| dhbiker | i hate it | 23:07 |
| dhbiker | and cant find the setting -.- | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a third possible reason though, that can't basically get fixed by N900: inbound pings on internet connection which always keep the device active to answer them | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | somewhere in settings, input method, or kbd, or profile/sounds | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Profile | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | settings->profile | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops nope | 23:09 |
| dhbiker | liar liar pants on fire :P | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | settings->screen | 23:09 |
| dhbiker | yeah just found it | 23:09 |
| dhbiker | tnx xD | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow, noobmonkey | 23:49 |
| dhbiker | heh | 23:50 |
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