IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-01-28

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DocScrutinizerhappy weekend, maemonians!00:42
dhbikersame 2 you too :P00:42
DocScrutinizerwhere to buy fresh N900 in unopened original package?00:43
DocScrutinizerpreferably in the EU, most preferably with qwerty keymat00:44
ShadowJKme too00:44
ShadowJK(n900 fresh)00:45
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: seems I owe you one anyway? Will get 2 or 3 when I can find any, one for you :-D01:03
dhbikeri got myself a 2 month old N90001:03
dhbikerwith warranty and everything :)))01:03
ShadowJKYou don't owe me anything, but if you can locate a source and obtain one I'd appreciate it and pay for it :P01:04
DocScrutinizeron my todo list01:07
cehtehdhbiker: nice, but you know, warranty is a joke, you'll not going to get a replacement01:08
cehteh(well replacement as in some other phone)01:08
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cehtehDocScrutinizer: checked amazon?01:09
dhbikercehteh ?01:09
DocScrutinizernot yet01:09
cehtehdhbiker: nokia has no spares anymore .. since about a year or so01:10
dhbikeraww snap01:10
cehtehso, be careful with yours :)01:11
dhbikerso if anything goes worng i'll have to accept some other shitty symbian based phone ?01:11
cehtehmaybe even worse .. windows phone :P01:12
dhbikeromg -.-01:12
* dhbiker will try to be extra careful01:12
cehtehdunno what they offer for exchange currently01:12
dhbikeri hope you can get the N9 with extra payment :P01:13
cehtehwell i dont want01:13
dhbikermeego is just a toy01:13
dhbikertoo bad that N950 is not for sale01:14
cehtehbada will merge into tizen, surprise, ... i hope my n900 will keep going until samsung comes out with a cool new linux phone with all free software in a few years :)01:15
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cehtehthat now looks more promising than i hoped01:15
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brooklyna fw years?01:15
cehtehand nokia gets what they deserved, sorry but their own fault01:15
brooklynrumors are dvices this yr01:15
ShadowJKis that SNLP ?01:16
dhbikerlinux based samsung ?01:16
ShadowJKor did they call it slp01:16
cehtehdunno, i just read a short announcement but not the whole article01:16
dhbikerSLP :P01:16
cehtehbut samsung always had my highest hopes for the next *free* phone, of course thats to be proven still01:17
cehtehsamsung did already a lot linux stuff01:18
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DocScrutinizerthe raster phone :-D01:18
cehtehyep :)01:18
cehtehwould be a good choice i think01:19
DocScrutinizeractually raster been rather quiet lately about "his" phone01:19
cehtehNDA .. he needs to have food on the table too01:19
cehtehthe quieter he is the more is going on perhaps01:19
cehtehunfortunally samsung is not 100% buyed into this free software thingy01:20
DocScrutinizernah, he used to drop by here or in #meego every other month, uttering a obscure "stay tuned!"01:20
cehtehwell i was absent for some time from here :)01:20
DocScrutinizernot so the last ~5 moths01:20
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DocScrutinizer~seen raster01:21
dhbikerwell doesnt matter as long as we get another N900 alternative :P01:21
* cehteh wonders how much samsung has to pay to apple when they cancel all contracts ...01:21
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infobotraster <raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 11d 17h 4m 44s ago, saying: 'who knows about next month'.01:21
brooklynhe has talked a bunch in #tizen01:21
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brooklyni have a feeling samsung can afford to bankroll plans C-Z if google screws them over on Android somehow01:22
brooklynso who knows how big of a deal it is to them01:22
cehtehwell without samsung there would be no iSomething at all01:22
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cehtehif they kiss apple a goodbye, then they will loose a LOT of money, but maybe they get huge dent in the market too01:24
cehtehevil masterplan01:24
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brooklynapple has bought so many SoC type companies01:24
brooklynperhaps they could just find someone new to fab their A4/A5 stuff..01:24
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cehtehthere is a reasons that they didnt do that yet, no one can do it at least in that volume.. and there are other parts as well01:25
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ShadowJKSamsung cpu maker is different from Samsung phone maker01:31
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DocScrutinizeras rater used to put it: Samsung isn't one company, rather many companies that even compete with each other, and just share one brand name02:03
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Happy weekend to you too :)03:39
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ahollerhmm, whats going on with kernel-power? I wanted to install u-boot, that wants kernel-power-46, that seems to have disappeared and the new ones aren't available. Look like I have to do most of the needed stuff manually.06:43
Hurrianuse the new u-boot plus kernel-power v4906:46
Hurrianc/o pali06:46
aholleris there somewhere a small tutorial about that? I'm new to using u-boot on the n900 ;)06:49
LaoLang_coolkernel-power-46? what's the advantage compared with the offical one?06:50
ahollerthere are already at 49. 46 is just required for uboot-power06:50
LaoLang_coolkernel-power means power saving, or makeing n900 more powerful?06:51
ahollerhave a look at the wiki, some stuff is explained there06:52
ahollerbut it isn't for power-saving06:53
LaoLang_coolok, will search for it06:55
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StyXmanis there any way to see the booting messages of N900, from the boot loader on or later, more like a computer?10:33
StyXmanthat is, I want to know why my device does not boot after doing a restore of /home via rsync10:34
_freemangordonStyXman, KP49 and framebuffer console10:34
StyXmanso without the new kernel Iń fried. reflashing is my only option?10:37
_freemangordonStyXman, that is how you can see boot messages, said nothing about reflashing10:38
StyXmanok, right. I meant, with the original kernel I can't, as as the device is not booting not even to the bootmenu, ...10:38
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Sicelou need fbcon for boot messages, which doesn't work with stock kernel, afaik10:57
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StyXmanSicelo: ack11:02
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infobotcssu is probably
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fw190brand new11:58
fw190288 euro11:59
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dhbikerhi there12:00
dhbikercan i flash the global FW on N900 ?12:00
dhbikeror do i need this branded stuff12:00
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fw190are there branded firmawres?12:02
dhbikeri mean like USA and other continents12:02
fw190I think that when you flash both images you could12:03
fw190use the firmware you like12:03
fw190but not know 100%12:03
Arkenoia guy on local forum ( sold everything nokia gave him for last years -- 2*n900, e7, n9 and n950, for ~$2K total. Too bad I did not monitor it frequently enough :-(12:03
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RST38hArkenoi: So,did he buy an iPhone and an iPad instead?12:08
ArkenoiRST38h, no idea, he did not provide any details12:11
Arkenoibut i'd happily buy all his stuff if i wasn't late12:11
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Arkenoin950 as backup one, n9 is a good gift, n900's for two friends who are continuously whining they are not being sold anymore, e7 for a girl who likes to play angry birds and has no touchscreen phone12:13
Arkenoi(i already own n950, n900 and e7)12:13
Sicelodhbiker: yes.. global is considered best12:15
dhbikertnx Sicelo12:15
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chem|stfw190: there was some vodafoneUK fw afair12:17
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RST38hArkenoi: I think the guy is the "site founder" or "forum owner" or whatever web managing bozos like to call themselves12:30
RST38hArkenoi: really good thread to troll in, en masse =)12:31
ArkenoiRST38h, well, anyway, no idea why he is selling all his stuff. but it is already sold :-( btw he seems to be the only person i know (except myself) who got n950 *not* by the developers program12:32
RST38hyeah, he was fed by nokia marketing I think12:34
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dhbikeri need to flash eMMC first right ?12:52
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WizzupSo I have this kernel: I have an extra mmc card and would like to check out nemo. However, last time I tried to install u-boot I spent half a day trying to get my phone to boot again. Any suggestions as to _what_ uboot package I should install12:55
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NIN101maybe none12:59
NIN101to test it, you can load _load_ it by using the flasher.13:00
WizzupI suppose that would do for now13:00
WizzupYour rescue image worked nicely btw13:00
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WizzupNIN101: so basically I flash the latest nemo image to my extra card, put it in, and boot it using flasher?13:08
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NIN101at least it was possible with meego-ce, didn't try it with nemo but I assume it should work.13:11
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Sicelohi woodong5016:06
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StyXmankp49 is in testing or devel?16:26
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Siceloall kp from 47 is in devel16:36
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StyXmanSicelo: k, tx16:51
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Sicelohmm, i find this weird. when running debian via bootmenu method, udev refuses to run, saying kernel needed is 2.6.32 or higher. yet, it runs under maemo (and Easy Debian) for same kernel (kp49)19:06
NIN101the udev version you are running on debian is too new.19:07
Sicelothat's what i guessed. hmm :/19:08
* Sicelo must get a an usd card to stop using bootmenu19:10
Siceloright now i have a 12GB MyDocs & using the remaining space for Debian experiments19:12
NIN101or recompile the kernel to support booting from EMMC. but getting a sd card should be better for experiments. Then again, PK won't boot from sd without recompilation too.19:13
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trumeeStrange why KP49 is marked as stable, when it doesnt work right19:15
trumeein the thread on tmo19:15
Sicelothanks for info :) once i get sd card i'll just go u-boot way19:15
Sicelotrumee: what's wrong with it?19:16
trumeeSicelo, videos dont work out of the box19:16
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trumeeSicelo, and i dont have any of the special codecs install. It is plain broken.19:16
Sicelosounds like issue is on your device. mine is ok19:17
NIN101my suggestion: avoiding maemo kernel at all for experiments with other distris, as this version is getting old... and it may be isn't a good idea to take old stuff with you. Nemo's kernel should be ok.19:18
Siceloor u mean the 720 ..something video?19:18
StyXmanSicelo: and do you install packages from the original maemo on top of debian?19:19
trumeeSicelo, no a normal SD video19:20
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trumeeSicelo, i have gone back to KP4819:20
dhbiker-n900nice it works19:20
trumeeSicelo, videos in KP49 throw up error. And i am not into HD or overclocking19:21
Sicelono StyXman i boot debian and install packages from debian's repos19:21
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trumeeSicelo, so i dont want to mess around with those. if out of the box SD videos dont work in KP49 then imho it is not stable.19:22
Sicelotrumee: i've been on 49 for a month now and haven5m had any issue with videos. no overclocking here too19:22
trumeeSicelo, did you add any HD codecs?19:22
trumeeSicelo, 720 modifications?19:23
* trumee is on CSSU stable btw19:23
Siceloi don't play with stuff that comes close to overclocking. i'm on cssu stable too :P19:23
trumeeSicelo, no idea why it is doesnt work here.19:24
trumeeSicelo, right. want to try one of my video files?19:24
Sicelobtw, 48 is more borked than 47, afaik.19:24
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Sicelotrumee: yeah19:25
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Sicelosmall clip if ossible. i can't download that much data :(19:25
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Sicelothanks for suggestions NIN101.19:28
trumeeSicelo, any of the videos from the above list19:28
Sicelolemme see19:28
dhbikerno equalizer on media player ?19:30
trumeeSicelo, try out any of the mp419:31
dhbikeranybody jnows how to use alsamixer on the N900 ?19:32
Sicelodownloading ... btw, they play on kp48?19:32
Sicelodhbiker: alsamixer -c 0.  but better to leave the  settings alone19:33
trumeeSicelo, yes, fine on kp4819:34
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dhbikerSicelo: tnx19:35
dhbikeri might port alsa equalizer to n90019:35
dhbikeri love that one <319:35
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trumeeSicelo, why do you say kp48 is worse than 47?19:36
Sicelowell, i downloaded one mp4.. it plays for a while then stops :(19:44
trumeeSicelo, exactly!19:45
trumeeSicelo, look in dmesg19:45
Siceloyeah, same output as in tmo post19:46
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trumeeSicelo, kp49 is broken imho because of this.19:48
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trumeefreemangordon, ping19:50
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dhbikeris there any media remote for linux pc20:29
trumeedhbiker, lirc?20:30
dhbikeri dont have IR on the pc20:30
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trumeedhbiker, there are usb ir receivers available20:32
trumeedhbiker, or even serial20:32
Sicelotrumee: agreed. well, it seems, from what i've read so far, u can't have the best of both worlds. if u need kp functionality some rough edges are inevitable. i only need it for h-e-n20:32
dhbikerserial ?20:32
trumeeSicelo, iirc the plan is to merge kp in cssu20:33
Sicelohmmm, the video played even longer just now20:34
DocScrutinizerSicelo: how's powerkernel related to mp4 playback breakage?20:34
DocScrutinizerunless you undervolt or overclock20:34
trumeeSicelo, everytime i tried dsp complained.20:34
Sicelotrumee:  i guess DocScrutinizer is asking u, not me :P20:35
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DocScrutinizerpowerkernel couldn't do anything regarding DSP, even if it liked to do20:36
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trumeeDocScrutinizer, kp49 breaks video playback even without overclock/underclock20:37
Sicelowell DocScrutinizer, trumee has videos that play fine with kp48, and crash dsp on kp49.20:37
DocScrutinizerI can't see how pk could cause that20:38
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DocScrutinizerthen otoh I dunno what Pali does to powerkernel that'S not approved in any way, like e.g. that notorious nasty "patch" supposed to "fix" bq27200.ko breakage of bme, but actually the patch breaking whole I2C system on device20:41
DocScrutinizertoo many kiddies hacking away on kernel, in a way that's incompatible with quality management requirements for system mission critical things like... kernel20:43
DocScrutinizerno public discussion with the experts that should know better, no reviews of patches, no evaluations of risk and impact...20:43
DocScrutinizerjust in line with the common notion GSM stack should be FOSS so everybody could test his weird kinky ideas on real live BTS20:45
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DocScrutinizerhail industry for never making those wet dreams come true for the pseudo hackers20:45
RST38hDoc, you are continuing to repeat this stuff with such conviction, as if you were the embodiment of the whole cell services industry20:46
* DocScrutinizer wonders why he might be interested at all20:46
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RST38hTo which I say: if some moron wants to destroy his phone in the most convoluted way possible, let him20:47
DocScrutinizerRST38h: no, I'm just a happy user of those cell services20:47
StyXmandhbiker: you mean, a media remote control or remote media «share» or remote media streaming?20:47
RST38hHappy cell services user? Rare animal these days.20:47
dhbikerStyXman: media remote control20:47
StyXmandhbiker: well, depends on the media player, they can have web interfaces to control them20:48
DocScrutinizerwell, with the script kiddie next house trying his newest "improvements" to the way GSM OTA protocol works, I'd probably be a pissed or even arrested for murder cell services user20:48
dhbikerStyXman: none of the players that i use have web interface20:49
RST38hthis will eventually lead to the industry hardening the GSM protocol against tampering, which is a good thing20:49
StyXmandhbiker: then an usb IrDA dongle would be a good option, I guess20:51
DocScrutinizersure, and if one user of thin ethernet (you remember, the one with coax cable) was testing his homegrown PHY on his NIC, thus tearing down your whole network, you probably just say "thank you, this for sure will make industry invent a better protocol to share a medium like a coax cable where you couldn't mess up things anymore"20:52
StyXmanwhich is the part in charge of mounting/demounting the partitions that are exported in mass storage mode?20:52
DocScrutinizerRST38h: dream on!20:52
DocScrutinizerke-recv in addition to some scripts20:53
StyXmanDocScrutinizer: that last one was for me, right?20:54
StyXmank, tx20:54
StyXmanit's incredible how it stubbornly sticks with vfat20:55
DocScrutinizerpali (iirc) just recently published a fixed version, to go into CSSU20:55
StyXmanhmm, I should read about cssu20:55
* StyXman goes to20:55
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DocScrutinizernot exactly about VFAT, but a good starting point nevertheless20:57
Macerhave a flat tire20:58
Macerand the wind chill is 18F20:58
Macerfun fun!20:58
StyXmanDocScrutinizer: tx again :)20:58
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NIN101 haha, meltemi is real and there will be some desktop emulator it seems. Nokia loves to paste stuff over
brooklynwhat does it mean21:03
brooklynElop/WinMo is plan A right now (gotta give it a try i guess)21:04
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brooklynDocScruti(:#maemo)] too many kiddies hacking away on kernel <- talk is cheap, i booted Debian on internal eMMC thanks to PAli's fixes on u-boot21:05
brooklynim still lookingn for a nice 3.1/3.2 series kernel for n90021:06
brooklynwith all the drivers from git-repos in quasi-broken state rolled in21:06
brooklynbring on the kernel panics!21:06
DocScrutinizerbrooklyn: so what? anything you want to tell me?21:07
brooklyni dont think we should discourage kiddies21:07
brooklyneventually some of them may gain experience, and become useful21:07
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DocScrutinizerI kick them off my lawn, and my lawn here is *my* kernel21:07
brooklynmaybe one will be sick of all this abandonware and go found a NOKIA competitor in their garage, CordiaHD style but actualy get somewhere21:07
DocScrutinizerthey can mess with *their* kernel all they want, but stay the fuck away of publicly used kernels21:08
brooklynoh sure enough21:08
brooklynall im familiar with is .deb's downloaded from
brooklynwhen i DL .deb's off some random .cz site i know what im getting into :)21:09
brooklynlike those FM '76-88' modules that broke my GPS21:10
DocScrutinizererr wut?21:10
DocScrutinizerwhatever, pali shouldn't intergrate each and every shit into powerkernel indiscriminately21:11
brooklynthere must be some regression-test suite that core kernel devs use21:13
brooklynperhaps in a special hacked up Xen/VBox instance21:13
StyXmanbrooklyn: it depends on if you're testing the core kernel or some hardware driver21:14
DocScrutinizerthere's two classes of kernel "patches", one is stuff like that bq27200.ko module that is strictly optional and I can opt to keep it off my system (which actually I like to do as it breaks things), the other is patches like to i2c driver to make such a broken module "work", which breaks whole kernel, can smoke up my hardware, and I got NO option to keep it out of new kernel version I might want to install21:14
StyXmanthe latter is not much virtualizabe21:14
DocScrutinizerbrooklyn: there's no such thing, as kernel is simply too complex to do automatic regression tests that would reliably reveal fuckups like the one done to I2C driver by neutering the exclusive lock of bus21:15
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DocScrutinizerbrooklyn: that's probably the reason why only experienced kernel hackers should send patches "upstream" - for us "upstream" pretty much is powerkernel21:19
DocScrutinizerand fools thinking it's a nice idea to patch some hack into a working driver (here I2C) to change the API semantics so another (broken fubar) driver (here bq27200.ko) could still work - OMG I can't tell what I got ideas for those fools21:22
DocScrutinizerno way to cure this by any automated regression test21:23
brooklyni with NIN, abandon 2.6.28-maemo ASAP21:23
DocScrutinizerthose fols would also patch the test XP21:23
StyXmanDocScrutinizer: I think it's better to channelize their enthusiasm21:24
brooklynthe vanila implementations for HW in n900 has diff API than whatever gunk is in .2821:24
brooklynso userspace stuff talking to it is quasibroken in debian sid, etc21:24
brooklyncyou really need to get on a proper kernel if you want to move beyond maemo21:24
DocScrutinizerbrooklyn: fine! so what do you suggest for the blobs we got on 28 to make things like DSP work?21:25
NIN101brooklyn: I never made such statement. I said you shouldn't take it with you when you want to play around with other distros. Besides that, you can't really use anything else than 2.6.28 on maemo.21:25
brooklynHW decoding of mp3s via gst?21:25
brooklynnot sure what DSP module does21:25
DocScrutinizerwell, maybe you got an idea what liblocation does, then?21:26
brooklynall i know is, Maep open, fm player crashes after a few minutes, i cant even multitask 2 basic apps on maemo21:26
brooklynso im definitely wanting to try a modern kernel and *completely* different stack on top21:26
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DocScrutinizerwhatever that means21:26
brooklynor better yet, sell the N900 while its still worth something and wait for Tizen or so21:26
DocScrutinizergo ahead, then leave this chan and don't annoy users that are "happy" with their N90021:27
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brooklynim happy with mine21:27
brooklynand suggesting peopole with different viewpoints to leav eis pretty terrible21:29
brooklynway to get an insular circlejerk21:29
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brooklynin retrospect, i shouldnt have bought n900. its not really open21:29
brooklynshould have just gotten a 4.3 " archos tablet and run Mer or Ubuntu21:29
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* DocScrutinizer multitasks ~15 basic and not so basic "apps" on his N900 this very moment, and shrugs21:30
brooklyni bought into the "hey, ,its linke, GTK"21:30
brooklynithotu realizazing its a birdsnest of interdpendncis almost impossible to upgrad any pic21:30
* DocScrutinizer also announces a trolling warning against brooklyn21:31
brooklynid like PulseAudio to talk to Pulse on Arch/Gentoo/Debian over the network, but Maemo's version is too old21:31
brooklynbut i cant upgrade it, cuz of propreitary drivers, gst modules, dsp blobs, blah blah21:31
brooklynit goes on and on lik this21:31
brooklynim not trolling21:31
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brooklyni just am not a damn fanboy, i made a pragmatic choice21:31
brooklynit was certainly preferable to android/iOS21:31
brooklynchromium in a debian chroot randomly 'poofs' and who knows if its some armhf vs armel on ancient kernel issue or xorg version creep21:32
brooklynive experiencexd X poofs on slight version mismatches for decades now21:32
brooklynso i cant run 2 apps at once w/o one crapping out, i cant run a modern web browser stablely, i cant upgrade anything, and theres a ton of proprietary fgunk21:33
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brooklynand upgrading to debian-sid breaks even more hardware support. so yay...21:33
DocScrutinizerSO WHAT?21:33
DocScrutinizerthanks for informing us!21:33
Sicelobrooklyn: talk to estel wrt chromium on deb chroot.. he says it works better for him than even microb21:34
brooklynso, i have a paperweight basically21:34
brooklynnever again..21:34
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Sicelobtw what kernel is on harmattan?21:35
DocScrutinizeroh, he left? :-( too bad, I was pleased I finally kick him21:36
Sicelonice. same as on my debian squeeze21:36
DocScrutinizerthe one thing you hear for sure of every troll you ask to stop doing that: "BUT BUT, I *am* not trolling!"21:38
DocScrutinizercoming to #maemo and suggesting we all should abandon maemo as fast as possible surely is one of the more lame trolling I ever seen21:41
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nid0at least my n900 still works, im sure his suggested archos alternative would be a literal paperweight by now21:43
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dhbikermeh i like maemo21:47
dhbikerno need for anything else21:47
DocScrutinizeractually I hate maemo almost as much as this troll seems to do, but there's no point in bitching and moaning, as that won't change a bit about all the maybe not all made up shortcomings he listed in his monologue21:48
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DocScrutinizerstill I know maemo enough by now to know my way around, and it's pretty usable on a day by day basis, thanks to all the nice guys taking care about it21:49
DocScrutinizerNOT Nokia guys!21:50
DocScrutinizerthere are a few inside Nokia that still care about maemo, mostly in their leissure time I guess. Nokia at large evidently stopped maemo support though pretty much.21:52
dhbikerits usable21:53
dhbikerjust like any other phone21:53
DocScrutinizerand for now in my book maemo fremantle still is way more functional and mature and rock solid than any alternative, like mer or meego harmattan, or whatever else lines up to apply for a "phone linux" label21:57
dhbikeri only miss the equalizer21:58
dhbikerbut ill do it soon21:58
DocScrutinizeryep, equalizer is a long missing feature21:58
DocScrutinizermuch appreciated21:58
StyXmanthere's an audio player which says to have an eq. I haven't tried it...21:59
DocScrutinizeryou know about the hw parametric EQ in codec, and about boostN900 ?21:59
dhbikeri have it21:59
dhbikerits only 8 band21:59
dhbikerapp is called symfonie22:00
DocScrutinizerwell, 8 band graphic EQ seems good enough for all but studio equipment22:00
dhbikernot good enough for me :P22:01
DocScrutinizerand implementing the EQ into the mp3 decoder seems the most reasonable thing you could do22:01
dhbikeryou can also use alsa equalizer22:01
DocScrutinizerperformance and architecture wise22:01
dhbikerlike i don on the pc22:01
DocScrutinizersure, but that means you encode from frequency domain (mp3) to time domain (analog/wav/PCM), than back to frequency domain (FFT in EQ) then after some leveling on 8 or 16 ranges you again do a freq->time domain conversation22:03
dhbikerwe will see how it goes22:04
dhbikerits worth trying :P22:04
DocScrutinizerit will work but sure has potentially lower quality and about 3 to 4 times the CPU load22:04
DocScrutinizerboth no showstopper but not really nice22:05
dhbikerwell then we will write or port a good media player :P22:06
fizzieALSA equalizer (at least the 'alsaequal' one) is built on time-domain IIR filters, not fft-scale-fft.22:07
DocScrutinizerI'd *love* to see EQ in mohammediaplayer, but alas it is just using mafw and mafw does the mp3 decoding and has no EQ afaik22:07
DocScrutinizerfizzie: true, but still above reasoning applies and would suggest to better do the filtering *before* mp3->time-domain22:08
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dhbikerheh here's the catch22:15
dhbikerwhat if i use FLAC22:15
DocScrutinizergood point22:17
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DocScrutinizerI actually have several FLAC records on my N90022:17
* dhbiker will have to think about the solution22:18
DocScrutinizerwell, I think in the end we'll just be fine with a system wide EQ22:18
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dhbikeryeah... BUT this can break stuff like voice calls22:18
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DocScrutinizeryet, have a look into the both topics I posted for you above: hw EQ and boost22:19
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DocScrutinizerdhbiker: well, for sure we need to consider carefully about integration of that alsaEQ into current system22:19
DocScrutinizeralso check alsaped and all the weird stuff around it, boost will directly link you to that22:20
DocScrutinizeralas again a topic with absolutely no docs available anywhere I'd know of22:21
* dhbiker will have to do a big research22:21
DocScrutinizeryeah, it's a demanding topic22:21
dhbikeri look at it as challenge :)22:22
DocScrutinizeras Nokia didn't bother to explain any least significant bit about their audio design operation principles22:22
DocScrutinizerPolicy Enforcer Daemon - wut?22:23
DocScrutinizeractually *that's* why I hate maemo22:23
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dhbikertoo bad that n900 has so weak battery22:33
StyXmanthat's why I have 3 and an external charger22:34
dhbikergood idea22:35
StyXman2 batts and the charger for less that 15 euros22:35
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dhbikernot original i guess22:37
dhbikerthought so22:39
dhbikerhow many mAh ?22:39
dhbikerqtirreco dowsnt want to download a remote -.-22:40
dhbikerLOL http request failed22:41
dhbikerand then freeze -.-22:41
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DocScrutinizerme doesn't like the qt flavour of irreco22:47
DocScrutinizerbtw I dunno what you mean by "weak battery"22:47
dhbikerlike 1 day authonomy22:47
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DocScrutinizermy battery lasts at least 14h with always-internet and active xchat, via GSM/GPRS22:48
dhbikerwell thats a weak battery for me :P22:48
DocScrutinizerwhen sitting idle (with xchat and WLAN) at home, battery easily lasts >>48h22:48
RST38hDoc: For some people, any battery is going to be weak22:49
DocScrutinizerdhbiker: haha, show me any other device that does 14h of data connection over GPRS from one battery22:49
* dhbiker can't think of any22:49
StyXmandhbiker: that's pretty standard for smartphones22:50
dhbikeri guess22:50
DocScrutinizersure, as no other device will support this usage pattern, they all freeze internet connection and background tasks as soon as you lock the screen22:50
dhbikerdo you have any of that battery improvement stuff installed <'22:51
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DocScrutinizerno way, all that crap does exactly the opposite of what it's supposed to do22:58
DocScrutinizerand those battery usage and whatnot apps are more or less doing exactly what the name suggests: use battery :-D23:01
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DocScrutinizerI recall one of those battery eye apps increasing CPU load from 0% to some xx%, thus reducing idle battery standby from several days to several hours23:02
dhbikeri didnt even installed that23:03
dhbikeri was like23:03
dhbikerbattery improvement... yeah right23:03
DocScrutinizerquite helpful to know why your battery doesn't last as long as you'd like it to, no? ;-P NOW you know exactly why it depletes in hours23:03
dhbikerit depleted in hours because i was installing many apps and didnt let it sleep23:04
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DocScrutinizerquite usually - meh almost *always* - there are exactly one or two reasons for short battery standby: some IM alike app that causes constant traffic to internet thus keeping modem or WLAN active all the time. And desktop widgets refresging like mad and thus hogging CPU23:06
dhbikeris there any way to disable this vibrating on touch screen23:07
dhbikeri hate it23:07
dhbikerand cant find the setting -.-23:07
DocScrutinizerthere's a third possible reason though, that can't basically get fixed by N900: inbound pings on internet connection which always keep the device active to answer them23:07
DocScrutinizersomewhere in settings, input method, or kbd, or profile/sounds23:07
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DocScrutinizeroops nope23:09
dhbikerliar liar pants on fire :P23:09
dhbikeryeah just found it23:09
dhbikertnx xD23:09
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DocScrutinizerwow, noobmonkey23:49
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