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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, lets say that Maemo is going to start process of moving repositories to open source git servers tommorow | 01:23 |
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| Estel_ | is Your idea about donating server for that purpose (for few months) actual? | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | I think it would be more than enough time, to properly fundraise money | 01:24 |
| luke-jr | Maemo is dead. | 01:29 |
| burro | yawn | 01:29 |
| burro | luke-jr: link me the gentoo "howto n900" page already | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | burro: don't have one. | 01:30 |
| burro | so, is there a portage binary for armel i can grab | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | burro: yes | 01:30 |
| burro | i prefer Paludis over Portage, btw | 01:30 |
| burro | back when i had fast CPUs | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | last I checked, Paludis didn't work on non-x86 | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv7a_hardfp/ <-- stage3 | 01:30 |
| burro | k | 01:30 |
| burro | i tried Ekiga, and Ekiga-lite | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/packages/hardfp/gcc45/ <-- binpkgs | 01:31 |
| burro | both had all sorts of idiotic SIP related errors. yet Maemo's SIP works perfect in comparison | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/kernels/ <-- various kernels | 01:31 |
| burro | i kind of appreciate all the polish that went into Maemo | 01:31 |
| burro | after futzing around with e17/debian for a bit | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | be sure to add the n900 overlay too | 01:32 |
| burro | wheres the IRC channel, so i dont have to clog this one with off topic | 01:32 |
| burro | was it #gentoo-embedded or something | 01:32 |
| luke-jr | it's not usually considered off topic here, but #gentoo-embedded is fine too | 01:32 |
| burro | well, as far as Maemo apps | 01:32 |
| burro | is all the GTK customizations in maemo open source | 01:32 |
| burro | id like to reuse some of the apps, if possible | 01:33 |
| Wizzup | burro: pretty sure they have to be | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | burro: no idea, I don't use GTK apps | 01:33 |
| burro | most non-browser apps i use are GTK, maemo or other OS | 01:33 |
| burro | so i like Maemo's choice of GTK over Tizen's EFL.. | 01:34 |
| burro | evne if enlightenment is "cool" | 01:34 |
| burro | its still not clear if end-developers/users will be able to build EFL or X apps on Tizen anyways | 01:34 |
| burro | the API seems to be "use HTML5, with soem WAC standard" | 01:34 |
| burro | so WebOS all over again | 01:34 |
| burro | and JAvascript is pretty damn slow on ARM so not sure what theyre smoking | 01:35 |
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| burro | Wizzup: its more the interconnected nature of everything, by the time DBus is interacting with the apps the right way, youve recreated most of maemo | 01:36 |
| ShadowJK | it's pretty damn slow everywhere? | 01:36 |
| burro | and some of the lower DBus / telephony layers are definitely not open source, so who knows how much of the apps or services you would have to rewrite | 01:37 |
| burro | just to get a few lousy apps that proably have alternatives | 01:38 |
| burro | ShadowJK: the latest revisions of twiwtter/google are slow even on my Atom at 2x2ghz | 01:39 |
| burro | so presumably a phone with less horsepower is not going to be too pleasant | 01:40 |
| burro | unless using some "App" version which is either stripped down, or written in Obj-C | 01:40 |
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| luke-jr | burro: I do have telephony basically working | 01:40 |
| burro | interesting | 01:40 |
| burro | Ofno i guess | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | yes | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | 1.0 | 01:41 |
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| burro | and GTK/Matchbox for uI, Illume+E17 or what? | 01:42 |
| burro | someone said XFCE isnt too bad, im kinda skeptical though | 01:42 |
| luke-jr | I use KDE 4.7 | 01:44 |
| burro | hah | 01:46 |
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| Estel_ | well, it seems that just like with motorcars, linux also must have some tune-fanatic, wheel smoking fanboys, in form of gentoo *yawn* | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | Estel_: just because you're clueless doesn't make everyone else a fanboy | 01:48 |
| Estel_ | I apreciatte every effort of running Debian/arch/whatever on Maemo | 01:49 |
| Estel_ | but first of all, it isn't opposite to putting maemo repos into open source git server | 01:49 |
| burro | so.. KDE libs, QT libs.. tons of daemons just so i can launch/switch apps? | 01:49 |
| Estel_ | so, no need to troll around this concept (directed at luke-jr ) | 01:49 |
| luke-jr | burro: hey, it's lighter than Maemo ;) | 01:49 |
| burro | ive seen hype about "Plasma Active" or whatever | 01:49 |
| burro | true | 01:49 |
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| burro | someone hacked dwm to support n900 | 01:50 |
| Estel_ | and, personally, I would belive in any 100% usable arch/gentoo/*whatever on N900 only when I see it | 01:50 |
| Estel_ | Plasma is damn slow due to inability of accelerating, while plasma literally begs for it or works like a mule | 01:51 |
| Estel_ | anyone saying binary blobs afren't problem is either incompetient or liar | 01:51 |
| Estel_ | ...unless hes coding genius that hacked everything, which I doubt in case of luke-jr | 01:51 |
| Estel_ | Of course everyone is free to waste time on whatever concept she/he want, so eot from my side, I promise ;) | 01:52 |
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| burro | why im stickin with Maemo | 02:38 |
| burro | sick of wasting my time tweakin crap out | 02:38 |
| burro | sure its a bit bloated. sure its a bit of an old snapshot of debian with a few proprietary bits | 02:38 |
| burro | but Android? iOS? Are you serious | 02:38 |
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| merlin1991 | burro: "meego" harmattan ;) | 02:42 |
| merlin1991 | aegis ftw | 02:42 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | Im giving my girlfriend my N900 (have an N9 now) | 06:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i just reflashed everything back to PR1.3 and a fresh EMMC | 06:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | which repositories should I enable for her, she's an intermediate user | 06:51 |
| wmarone | Extras | 06:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | not testing? | 06:52 |
| wmarone | eh, if she can enable it then yes | 06:52 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i dont know if it'd be of any use for her... | 06:52 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i almost always enable testing and devel | 06:52 |
| wmarone | there's some interesting stuff in testing and devel, but stability and usability isn't guaranteed | 06:52 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but I don't want her to have to figure out fapman, which is kind of annoying sometimes | 06:52 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and with testing and/or devel enabled, the default application manager is useless | 06:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | takes forever for apt-worker.real to finish | 06:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | not sure if that's because of testing or devel | 06:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | one of those two at least | 06:54 |
| Sazpaimon_ | god I cant get used to maemo 5 anymore | 06:55 |
| Sazpaimon_ | its just not as smooth as harmattan :( | 06:56 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | an update showed up immediately on a fresh reflash+emmc, good to see CSSU is nicely integrated now | 07:02 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | ...or wait, maybe that was the incremental update nokia to revert that certificate :/ | 07:04 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | oh looks like power kernel is only extras-devel | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon_ | unless I want the ancient power42 version | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon_ | will a more recent power kernel ever be promoted? | 07:17 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | looks like kernel-power-debug power49 is in extras-testing but not kernel-power | 07:20 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I guess I can manually upload kernel-power and flasher without enabling extras-devel | 07:22 |
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| xev | my battery almost empty and i cant charge with usb..and i didnt bring my charger... zzz | 07:53 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | damn, is there a way to manually install this deb *without* having to install root? | 07:58 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | I get an "incompatible application package" when i load it up with the application manager | 07:59 |
| Sazpaimon_ | thought it might be a missing section in the debian/control but nope, its there | 07:59 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | alright, so now i only have extras enabled, stable CSSU, power kernel 49 | 08:29 |
| Sazpaimon_ | made sure gainroot doesnt work now | 08:29 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I think i can safely give this phone away now | 08:29 |
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| xev | Sazpaimon_, n9 is better than n900? | 08:51 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | xev, I wouldn't say its better or worse | 09:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | its like comparing apples to oranges | 09:06 |
| dangergrrl | i would like an n9 | 09:06 |
| dangergrrl | it has ram | 09:07 |
| dangergrrl | btw i am tunning for POTYUS | 09:07 |
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| dangergrrl | POTUS | 09:07 |
| dangergrrl | affiliated with the linux party | 09:08 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | so I give the N900 to my girlfriend after all that special preparation | 09:08 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and all she's using it for is sketch | 09:09 |
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| xev | Sazpaimon_, how about battery usage? its better than n900? because i would like to have n9 | 10:23 |
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| jacekowski | N9 has evil DRM | 10:43 |
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| edheldil | dangergrrl: POTUS == President of the United States? :-D | 10:57 |
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| dangergrrl | yes | 11:00 |
| dangergrrl | i am running | 11:00 |
| dangergrrl | free software for all | 11:00 |
| vi____ | ShadowJK: You wrote the bq2700 i2c info dump script right? | 11:02 |
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| fredddd | Robot101, any status updates on the SSL update? | 11:54 |
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| zap | Hey, anyone knows why my N900 sees some strange "HPB110a.FFBBDF" point-to-point wifi station, I can even connect it? I see it everywhere - at home, in metro... The internets says this is specific to the HP PhotoSmart printer... wtf?! | 13:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Ad-hoc networks can never be reliably determined that tehy are not there | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | there is no beacon | 13:05 |
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| zap | so that's just because I have seen it somewhere initially and connected it, then it will be in the list forever, unless I remove it? | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | yes | 13:07 |
| zap | makes sense. Removed it, disappeared. Thanks. | 13:08 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/11/apple_extortion/ | 14:43 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/11/nokia_us_comeback/ | 14:46 |
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| shipmentonline | hi | 18:01 |
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| timeless | Timestamp: 1/11/2012 10:55:17 AM | 18:03 |
| timeless | Warning: Expected identifier for pseudo-class or pseudo-element but found '['. Ruleset ignored due to bad selector. | 18:03 |
| timeless | Source File: chrome://browser/skin/devtools/common.css | 18:03 |
| timeless | Line: 77 | 18:03 |
| timeless | .devtools-toolbarbutton:[checked]:hover:active { | 18:03 |
| timeless | is there a bug for that? | 18:03 |
| timeless | oops, wrong window | 18:04 |
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| RST38h | OMG, can I PLEASE replace WP7 on this Lumia with something else? Anything. | 18:29 |
| RST38h | It feels like a dumb phone, except that it is kinda hard to call from it | 18:30 |
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| RST38h | Purrfect, can't even play an .avi | 18:32 |
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| timeless | heh | 18:39 |
| timeless | the wp7 phone i used had one of the best dialer pads i've ever seen on a touch screen | 18:39 |
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| RST38h | ahhhahaha | 18:49 |
| RST38h | It offered me to convert an .avi | 18:49 |
| RST38h | Spent 30 minutes converting, the result looks like 320x240 resolution | 18:49 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ping | 19:13 |
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| Estel_ | see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1148886&postcount=668 | 19:14 |
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| Estel_ | Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual? | 19:19 |
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| plate | RST38h: how close is the hw to n9. can you flash hamattan | 19:30 |
| RST38h | plate: different hardware | 19:32 |
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| plate | still, buying a WP7 phone then whining in here is like chopping off tour legs and whining your're 2 feet shorter | 19:44 |
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| plate | win8+wp7 has a pretty UI imo, but if you thought ANdroid was bad with its lack of libc, fudegadabout it | 19:46 |
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| kerio | is there an X server for android? | 19:47 |
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| plate | http://i.nokia.com/image/view/-/262208/highRes/1/-/nokia-800-fbtab.png | 20:01 |
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| plate | ddg turns up http://androix.org/ and http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/libraries_and_demo/xvncxx11-server-w-vnc-backnd_bwboy.html | 20:03 |
| plate | between that and a debian chroot, maybe android isnt too bad | 20:03 |
| wmarone | ah, android. reinveting the wheel to no great end for 4 years. | 20:04 |
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| plate | end users want FAcebook, not flexibility or freedom | 21:25 |
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| plate | most developers are happily chasing after $3 app buyers on iOS/Android anyways | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | nice, but WTF are You reffering to, plate? | 21:37 |
| plate | the current craptitude | 21:38 |
| plate | why cant i upgrade my aging, slow, memory-devoid N900 with something that runs ARch/Gentoo/Debian and has multitouch and 1g of ram | 21:38 |
| plate | i have to accept all sorts of BS toughyl-coupled with it like an OS and Carrier i dont want | 21:38 |
| plate | my answer is that consumers are willing to buy whatever is put infront of their face | 21:39 |
| plate | because utimately the market does whatever it can bear getting away with | 21:39 |
| lofty306 | as long as it looks pretty with bells and whstlis they'll buy a dirty pair of underware | 21:40 |
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| lofty306 | and we ge tossed in thepile with the betamax again | 21:42 |
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| Estel_ | plate, but we know it already ;P) | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | dont need to write about that:P | 21:43 |
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| Estel_ | go to iPhone channel and educate them | 21:43 |
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| lofty306 | lmao | 21:43 |
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| gh0strider | hello everyone, i am looking to be able to put the debian operating system on a phone and unfortunately i am on contract with sprint so does anyone here have a phone that i can add linux to that will work with the sprint network...any suggestions would be great, thank you... | 22:46 |
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| gh0strider | from the research that i have been doing a few years ago people seem to have lots of luck with the nokia n900 adding debian linux to that phone but that phone will not work with sprint so does anyone have any suggestions about which phone that will work with the sprint network could have linux added to it? | 22:48 |
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| kerio | lol mobile phones in the US | 22:48 |
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| plate | ghostcube: ask Sprint? | 23:25 |
| plate | "which CdMA phones of yours support Debian" | 23:26 |
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| plate | N9 looks pretty good, but its $600 NIB on amazon. $200 for a NIB n900 on ebay | 23:30 |
| plate | and i doubt it works w/ Sprint | 23:30 |
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| wmarone | nothing works with sprint unless sprint sells it | 23:30 |
| wmarone | (go go CDMA) | 23:30 |
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