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| vortigaunt | hey guys | 01:38 |
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| vortigaunt | i just got a free n900 :) | 01:38 |
| vortigaunt | i was wondering if you guys can point me to a nice and up to date tutorial on flashing | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 01:39 |
| infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 01:39 |
| VladNistor | nice. someone stole mine :) | 01:39 |
| vortigaunt | i googled a bunch of them .. but i dont want to brick this | 01:39 |
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| vortigaunt | that sucks :| | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | nm | 01:40 |
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| VladNistor | :) enjot it, it's nice piecw of hw | 01:40 |
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| vortigaunt | i know .. i've been looking to have one for a while | 01:40 |
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| vortigaunt | i've been using it for 3 days now ... its awesome | 01:41 |
| vortigaunt | so the link infobot gave me ... should i follow that ? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:42 |
| vortigaunt | i want to completly wipe it.. fresh install | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | read the *whole* page, as it's a bit mixedpickles structured | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you want to flash both COMBINED and VANILLA | 01:43 |
| vortigaunt | i sure will :) | 01:43 |
| VladNistor | good lad | 01:43 |
| vortigaunt | hope i wont f* up this .. seems complicated | 01:48 |
| vortigaunt | thanks guys! | 01:48 |
| plate | its not complicated | 02:02 |
| plate | hold down U as you insert battery while its polugged into a pc | 02:03 |
| plate | i tend to brick things so good messing w/ debian and vanila kernel that even 6-second-hold on power button doesnt do anything thus the battery thing, im sure you can flash w/o removing battery tho | 02:04 |
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| fosstux | Hi! I'm trying to reflash my n900. On Win7 64bit all I get is Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 02:55 |
| fosstux | Nothing elsen. | 02:55 |
| fosstux | When trying to flash on Linux (Fedora 16), I get USB device found found at bus 002, device address 009. Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy | 02:56 |
| fosstux | I'm running the flasher as root. | 02:56 |
| fosstux | What am I doing wrong????? | 02:56 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh, make sure modules 'phonet' and 'cdc_phonet' are unloaded | 02:56 |
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| fosstux | robbiethe1st: the two modules get loaded as soon as I plug in the phone... | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | you need to blacklist them | 03:02 |
| fosstux | ok. got it | 03:02 |
| robbiethe1st | Blacklist em | 03:02 |
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| fosstux | I've now flashed the emmc with flasher-3.5 -f <image>.bin -f -R. Now I want to flash the root image. Do I have to change the syntax? | 03:04 |
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| fosstux | thanks - it worked | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 07:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wonder if I should charge each wiki user 1ct for each time I clean out a spam | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd ove to charge the spammers, but alas I won't get a cent from either | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | love* | 07:38 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, jonwil mia | 12:09 |
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| badcloud_ | keyboard only web browsing for n900? | 15:11 |
| chem|st | badcloud_: make a complete sentence! | 15:11 |
| badcloud_ | chem|st: *is there*... | 15:12 |
| chem|st | badcloud_: you can use modest keyboard only... or are you looking for text-only shell browsing? | 15:12 |
| badcloud_ | vimperator won't install on fennec and I haven't found a conqueror port for maemo | 15:12 |
| badcloud_ | modest kbd? | 15:13 |
| chem|st | ah ok that way... no idea | 15:13 |
| chem|st | is your touchscreen broke? | 15:13 |
| badcloud_ | no, but zooming in/out to hit links is irritating | 15:14 |
| joga | hmm...I think it works really well, even with my desktop browser I sometimes try to double click on paragraphs to make it focus :) | 15:14 |
| Sicelo | i didn't know u could use modest without using ts | 15:14 |
| badcloud_ | what's modest? | 15:15 |
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| badcloud_ | you mean microb? | 15:15 |
| Sicelo | stock email client | 15:15 |
| chem|st | sry modest is the email client | 15:15 |
| badcloud_ | ah | 15:15 |
| chem|st | yeah microb | 15:15 |
| badcloud_ | how can you use microb w/out ts? | 15:16 |
| chem|st | both starting with m and both I do not make use of... | 15:16 |
| chem|st | thought you could ctrl shift... lmch+ | 15:16 |
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| badcloud_ | what about links web browser? can it be installed on the n900? | 15:19 |
| chem|st | I'd say I was sure that there is a way to "tab" but there isn't afaics | 15:19 |
| badcloud_ | DAMMIT, pentadactyl won't install either | 15:20 |
| Wizzup | badcloud_, you could file a feature request at pentadactyl | 15:20 |
| Wizzup | I perhaps somehow compile firefox for arm | 15:21 |
| Wizzup | Perhaps debian chroot? | 15:21 |
| badcloud_ | good ideas | 15:21 |
| chem|st | yeah links is available | 15:21 |
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| badcloud_ | E: Package links has no installation candidate | 15:22 |
| badcloud_ | boo | 15:22 |
| badcloud_ | chem|st: or did you mean via debian chroot? | 15:23 |
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| stef_204 | hi, thinking of switching from Nokia N900 to N9--but not convinced if worth it or not. Pretty happy with N900. Anyone here using N9? | 15:30 |
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| andre__ | stef_204, some people. | 15:34 |
| stef_204 | ok, do you know what the feedback is? | 15:35 |
| stef_204 | There's a lot of reviews at the moment and depending who writes them--whether they are Linux buffs or Windows buffs--the review is positive or negative | 15:36 |
| stef_204 | I guess if the piece is done by a Windows PR, Meego had "no future", N9 is "stillborn", etc. | 15:37 |
| stef_204 | or, N9 is excellent from the Linux buffs | 15:37 |
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| stef_204 | They were saying the same re. Maemo but IMHO, Maemo is still being used by a wide base, if I am not mistaken, and has lots of aps developed for it | 15:38 |
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| petteri | if you are happy with N900, i see no need to switch to anything. For me N9 really rocks | 15:39 |
| petteri | and most of people I know that had N900 have upgraded to N9 | 15:40 |
| Wizzup | Is the battery a lot better? | 15:40 |
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| petteri | i charge it mostly every night, but i would say that it last two days | 15:42 |
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| stef_204 | petteri: ok, that's good feedback. I can get the N9 for "free" with a contract extension but before doing that I am trying to get more feedback | 15:50 |
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| stef_204 | one thing I read is that it had no ability to render "flash" when browsing | 15:50 |
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| stef_204 | flash is so widely used that that point seems to be a negative--it's going to be some time before HTML5 is the norm, IMO | 15:51 |
| petteri | no flash support and the browser does not have any settings, but at least it is fast :) | 15:51 |
| stef_204 | perhaps there is some other browser that can be installed which would would render flash?? | 15:51 |
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| petteri | probably not | 15:52 |
| stef_204 | figures | 15:52 |
| stef_204 | petteri: what about texting? no problems with the touchscreen, no keyboard? | 15:53 |
| petteri | no problems. The virtual keyboard is nice | 15:54 |
| petteri | one thing that is good to note is that N9 does that much common with N900 in the UI side | 15:55 |
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| petteri | all apps are new, maps work, calendar and email are usable, etc... | 15:56 |
| petteri | does not have that much common with N900 i meant to say :) | 15:57 |
| stef_204 | right, I understoodd, no worries | 15:58 |
| stef_204 | IMAP email is OK? | 15:58 |
| petteri | yes | 15:58 |
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| stef_204 | how is the app store, repository...? not that many aps developed or starting to get there? | 15:59 |
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| petteri | i think the app situation is also better than N900 at least there are more commercial ones | 16:01 |
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| edheldil | fredddd: Hi, were you successful with Jabber and SSL? If you wrote me, I have missed that | 16:03 |
| petteri | i am not missing anything, but at least at twitter i see complains that whatsapp is not ported to N9 | 16:03 |
| stef_204 | ok | 16:06 |
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| stef_204 | thanks for the feedback. let me kow if anything else is worth noting on switching from N900 to N9. I'll probably go ahead and get the N9, looks pretty nifty; and keep using the N900 for backup number | 16:07 |
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| fredddd | edheldil, there is still an issue with the used XMPP client and wildcard certificates, I got as far as trying the first build, and sending a new log to Robot101, he was then waiting to advise a knowledged friend about it. | 16:11 |
| fredddd | This was Saturday. | 16:11 |
| fredddd | Nothing new has happened since then, waiting for a new build to try. | 16:11 |
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| edheldil | fredddd: ah, ok. Thanks for the effort | 16:24 |
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| fredddd | edheldil, I am prety sure it will get fixed, I am ready to continue testing and provide feedback, then we just have to hope it will get accepted by CSSU, as I am not too sure how well CSSU is going, I can not really remember last time my phone updated. | 16:42 |
| Robot101 | fredddd: merlin1991 is waiting for us to say it works and he'll include it | 16:43 |
| fredddd | Robot101, did you make a new build? | 16:43 |
| fredddd | I can test it, if so. | 16:43 |
| fredddd | I only tested the first build that was setup, and it did not work, I ended up giving you new logs of it. | 16:43 |
| fredddd | That was Saturday. | 16:44 |
| Robot101 | no we didn't work out why the old code didn't workso there's nothing to change/update yet | 16:44 |
| Robot101 | maybe just put in loads of DEBUG and see if we can figure out that way why it doesn't work | 16:44 |
| Robot101 | but I am in 2 days of meetings so I've not got time for that atm | 16:45 |
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| fredddd | Robot101, it seems that wild card certificates are troublesome? | 16:59 |
| fredddd | If I could I would perhaps generate the certificates individually, but my provider does not allow for such an option. | 17:00 |
| Robot101 | ? it's your server isn't it? you can get certificates for free from startssl | 17:00 |
| Robot101 | but I'd rather fix it | 17:00 |
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| fredddd | Robot101, I would like to stick to just one certificate provider, I kind of paid around 140 euros for it, so I would naturally be keen on resorting to the one I paid for and trying to figure out the best solution with that. =p | 17:02 |
| fredddd | Although I appreciate your suggestion. | 17:02 |
| fredddd | Robot101, do you use Postfix also? | 17:02 |
| Robot101 | yes | 17:02 |
| fredddd | I am cracking my mind on why my mail client refuses to connect, and times out. | 17:03 |
| fredddd | Dovecot / IMAP is working, I am glad for that. | 17:03 |
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| Robot101 | maybe your ISP filters port 25 - try enabling port 587 (submission) and test that instead? | 17:03 |
| fredddd | I try to connect to Postfix, mail client times out, with no helpful error but "Time Out", and Postfix does not log any signs of me trying to connect. | 17:03 |
| fredddd | They do not. | 17:03 |
| fredddd | I am trying to STARTTLS on port 25, I tried to do normal SSL on 465 but nothing. | 17:04 |
| fredddd | netstat -lnp shows postfix is up and listening. | 17:04 |
| fredddd | But I can not see what port though. | 17:04 |
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| fredddd | I remember setting up Postfix before following the same tutorial and things worked out, only difference now is that I have my wild card certificate and configured Postfix towards it. | 17:05 |
| fredddd | But if that would error, surely, my mail client should tell me, or Postfix should log failures or errors. | 17:05 |
| fredddd | Going to see what it does on 587. | 17:06 |
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| Robot101 | have you tried conecting with netcat? | 17:06 |
| fredddd | No idea what that is. D: | 17:06 |
| fredddd | * Connecting to SMTP server: acantha.expressionate.org ... | 17:07 |
| fredddd | *** Error occurred while sending the message. | 17:07 |
| fredddd | /var/log/mail.log <- shows nothing about me trying to connect. | 17:07 |
| fredddd | It does show other postfix messages such as the server having started up, so the log works as far I am concerned. | 17:07 |
| nid0 | netcat will just manually connect to the port, for testing mailserver access you can also just use telnet | 17:07 |
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| fredddd | Looks like netcat is just going to time out as well on that port. | 17:10 |
| fredddd | netcat smtp.expressionate.org 25 | 17:10 |
| fredddd | Leads to just a new line with the cursor blinking. | 17:10 |
| Robot101 | fredddd: it seems to respond well to me on port 25, with STARTTLS working too with openssl s_client | 17:11 |
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| Robot101 | fredddd: means it's more likely a problem on your end / your network | 17:11 |
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| nid0 | yep, smtp server responds fine here too | 17:11 |
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| fredddd | If I configure my mail on Maemo, and pick TLS. | 17:12 |
| fredddd | It will use STARTTLS? | 17:12 |
| fredddd | Or do I need to resort to 465 (SMTP) / 993 (IMAP)? | 17:12 |
| Robot101 | TLS means STARTTLS, so it should be normal ports, 25 or 587 for SMTP and 143 for IMAP | 17:15 |
| fledermaus | fredddd: aha. hello. which version of openssl do you have, that currently fails the ssl certificate check inside gabble? | 17:16 |
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| fredddd | Maemo mail does not send out my mail upon configuring smtp.expressionate.org and port 25, using TLS, and the credentials for SMTP are the same as IMAP (same database), IMAP working, I can conclude the credentials are ok. | 17:23 |
| fredddd | What is the equivalent of aptitude show openssl but then for apt-get? | 17:24 |
| fledermaus | apt-cache show ... | 17:24 |
| Robot101 | fledermaus: you can dig maemo.org's packagedb | 17:25 |
| fledermaus | or dpkg -l ... | 17:25 |
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| fledermaus | Robot101: good idea. | 17:25 |
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| Robot101 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libssl0.9.8/ | 17:25 |
| fredddd | 0.9.8n-1+maemo4+0m5. | 17:25 |
| fredddd | But no idea if it is installed. | 17:25 |
| Robot101 | dpkg -l | 17:26 |
| fredddd | Uh, ii, whatever that means. | 17:26 |
| fredddd | I usually use aptitude for this, little experience with apt thingies. | 17:27 |
| fledermaus | ii is you asked for it to be installed, and it is installed. | 17:27 |
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| fredddd | I see. | 17:28 |
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| Robot101 | fredddd: the first two lines from dpkg -l are a key, the capital letter is the one that appears in the appropriate column (requested, actual) | 17:29 |
| fledermaus | well, assuming openssl don't number their releases backwards, that's slightly newer than the version that works for me | 17:29 |
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| fledermaus | so it's not an old-library problem. | 17:29 |
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| fredddd | Robot101, Maemo mail does not send out mail either, and /var/log/mail.log shows nothing about it trying to connect, I am so confused by this. | 17:30 |
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| edheldil | fredddd: since you are unable to connect with netcat/telnet, I think it's your provider's doing | 18:16 |
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| fredddd | I will ask at the channel of my provider. | 18:19 |
| fredddd | My home connection ISP? | 18:19 |
| fredddd | Or my VPS provider? | 18:19 |
| fredddd | I believe my VPS provider is clean on this, my home connection ISP however. | 18:19 |
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| edheldil | fredddd: home connection. They like to do that to "prevent" end user spam. | 18:28 |
| edheldil | Have you managed to connect to the submission port? | 18:29 |
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| fredddd | 587? | 18:29 |
| edheldil | yes. I see that it closes connection, though | 18:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhh. tethering doesn't work anymore for some reason. the bluetooth connection is made and the client laptop gets an IP from my n900 but it can't connect to the internet... | 18:45 |
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| timeless | anyone awake? | 19:14 |
| plate | yep | 19:14 |
| timeless | i'm trying to figure out how to deal with: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/security/police-cert/europe/finland.asp | 19:15 |
| timeless | it makes mention of "fees" | 19:15 |
| RST38h | You want a Canadian police certificate? | 19:15 |
| timeless | but i can't find a corresponding document within http://www.poliisi.fi/ | 19:15 |
| timeless | i want a Finnish issued certificate | 19:16 |
| timeless | for use in Canada | 19:16 |
| RST38h | Oh shit | 19:16 |
| timeless | (i got an FBI issued letter for use in Canada) | 19:16 |
| RST38h | Ok | 19:16 |
| timeless | but the finnish web site is well... | 19:16 |
| timeless | yeah, shit isn't a bad way to describe it | 19:16 |
| timeless | (crap would be a better way) | 19:16 |
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| RST38h | Basically it is a piece of paper from Finnish Internal Affairs ministry (or whatever it is called) saying you do not have criminal history that they know of | 19:17 |
| timeless | yes | 19:17 |
| RST38h | As you appear to be an American, you probably do not need it | 19:17 |
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| timeless | ? | 19:17 |
| RST38h | Just get on from Maryland branch of FBI or whoever gives these in the US | 19:17 |
| timeless | i got the fbi one | 19:18 |
| RST38h | So, why the finnish one? | 19:18 |
| timeless | but my lawyers want me to get one from finland | 19:18 |
| timeless | because i spent 5 years there | 19:18 |
| RST38h | yewwww | 19:18 |
| timeless | obviously i could have been a criminal for those 5 years | 19:18 |
| edheldil | hehe | 19:18 |
| timeless | edheldil: the logic is pretty sound | 19:18 |
| RST38h | Yeah, smuggling vodka etc | 19:18 |
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| timeless | chewing tobacco? | 19:19 |
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| * timeless can't remember what that's called | 19:19 | |
| edheldil | selling counterfeit goods, like Nokia phones. That's what ACTA protects us from! ;-) | 19:19 |
| RST38h | Anyway, based on personal experience, the best would be to *call* the Finns at the phone number quoted by the Canadians and *ask* | 19:19 |
| RST38h | They will tell you everything about the fees, etc. | 19:19 |
| timeless | RST38h: based on personal experience, i'd have to call by 4pm finnish local time | 19:19 |
| timeless | which would be um | 19:19 |
| RST38h | Of course | 19:20 |
| timeless | 9am i guess | 19:20 |
| RST38h | does not sound so bad | 19:20 |
| timeless | yeah, it could be worse :) | 19:20 |
| * timeless sighs | 19:20 | |
| SpeedEvil | On the subject of legitimate non-smuggled goods that are a really bad idea: | 19:20 |
| timeless | SpeedEvil: Steve Jobs action figures! | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/tattoo-kit-2-machines-gun-54-color-inks-power-supply-needles-set-equipment-97019 | 19:20 |
| timeless | RST38h: oh, i misread it | 19:21 |
| timeless | it isn't pay in advance | 19:21 |
| timeless | i'd be invoiced | 19:21 |
| RST38h | You *really* wanna call | 19:22 |
| RST38h | Do not believe anything Canadian gov site says about Finnish gov | 19:22 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/09/nokia_another_os/ <-- moar | 19:22 |
| edheldil | SpeedEvil: that cup holder is OK, I guess ;-) | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ruskie: I've said before it's likely for patents | 19:22 |
| ruskie | hehe | 19:23 |
| timeless | RST38h: i can't believe that the poliisi site is powered by notes | 19:23 |
| timeless | that's just scary | 19:23 |
| timeless | oh right, i was supposed to look up my finnish identity number | 19:24 |
| timeless | (i've thankfully forgotten it, i wonder if someone else knows it) | 19:24 |
| SpeedEvil | 42? | 19:24 |
| edheldil | 666 | 19:24 |
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| timeless | SpeedEvil: it's really 10 characters | 19:26 |
| timeless | 6 are birthdate, another character is spent for the century | 19:27 |
| timeless | and then 3 digits for the person | 19:27 |
| timeless | finland doesn't support having more than 1000 people born on a given day | 19:27 |
| timeless | amusingly | 19:28 |
| edheldil | timeless: hmm, we have st. similar, but it 6 digits for date, 3 for personal number and 1 digit for checksum | 19:29 |
| timeless | one could probably break the finnish system by having 1000 foreigners apply for work permits | 19:29 |
| timeless | (as long as they had the same birthdate) | 19:29 |
| timeless | (actually the number would be smaller, since native borns count against the limit) | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: Also by impregnating 70000 or so finnish girls. | 19:30 |
| edheldil | and it also contains sex encoded in month number | 19:30 |
| * timeless wonders what the system would do | 19:30 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Though doing them all in one day may be tiring. | 19:30 |
| timeless | SpeedEvil: that would take too long :) | 19:30 |
| timeless | and be moderately expensive | 19:30 |
| timeless | the general cost of breaking the system by using live people would be cheaper :) | 19:30 |
| * timeless hunts lunch | 19:31 | |
| * SpeedEvil is baking chicken. | 19:31 | |
| * edheldil hopes lunch will not hunt timeless instead | 19:31 | |
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| fredddd | Robot101, besides SMTP 25, it would operate at 587? Postfix? | 19:39 |
| fredddd | My ISP blocks all incoming below 1024 and outgoing on 25. =/ | 19:39 |
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| Robot101 | fredddd: in postfix/master.cf there should be a line for "submission" which is basically SMTP on a different port | 19:41 |
| Robot101 | fredddd: if that's there and uncommented, postfix will already be working on port 587 | 19:42 |
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| fredddd | Uncommented it, restarting, testing. | 19:43 |
| fredddd | Hoping for the best. >.< | 19:43 |
| fredddd | SMTP authentication failure. x.x | 19:49 |
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| fredddd | Jan 9 18:52:13 acantha postfix/smtpd[1765]: setting up TLS connection from d54$ | 19:53 |
| fredddd | Jan 9 18:52:14 acantha postfix/smtpd[1765]: Anonymous TLS connection establish$ | 19:53 |
| fredddd | (then a disconnect) | 19:53 |
| fredddd | Do you think SSL error might be causing this? =/ | 19:53 |
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| fledermaus | can you crank up the logging on postfix? | 19:54 |
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| timeless | oh, sorry, someone was right, there's a check digit | 20:27 |
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| ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/09/phone_maker_punts_aa_powered_blower/ | 20:51 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/09/apple_power_adapter_password_recovery/ <-- gee because ya know I want my power adapter to store my passwords... | 20:53 |
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| timeless | ruskie: err | 21:45 |
| timeless | the idea is you have 2 power adapters | 21:45 |
| timeless | the one you leave at home/work | 21:45 |
| timeless | and the one you take with you when you travel | 21:45 |
| timeless | the one at home/work is your emergency key | 21:45 |
| timeless | and is in a locked space | 21:45 |
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| timeless | the one you take with you while traveling is just a normal unhelpful power adapter | 21:45 |
| timeless | it's really not a bad idea | 21:46 |
| timeless | when i got an MBP @Nokia, i got 2 adapters | 21:46 |
| ruskie | I already see this going bad in so many ways | 21:46 |
| timeless | the easiest way to go bad is if you somehow manage to confuse the normal one with the special one | 21:46 |
| ruskie | users will take a random one | 21:46 |
| ruskie | and not even care | 21:46 |
| timeless | but that's solvable | 21:46 |
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| timeless | the adapter could have an (led backed) icon indicating it has passwords | 21:47 |
| ruskie | like the don't write down your passwords but change theme every 90 days solution? | 21:47 |
| timeless | no | 21:47 |
| timeless | that's terrible | 21:47 |
| rm_work | i'd lose it T_T | 21:47 |
| timeless | i can't remember something i don't use for >10 days | 21:47 |
| timeless | whenever i need to check my "ePost.ca" account | 21:47 |
| timeless | i reset the password | 21:47 |
| timeless | is that secure? | 21:47 |
| timeless | heck no | 21:48 |
| timeless | do i have a choice? | 21:48 |
| timeless | no | 21:48 |
| timeless | why not? because the a** behind the site block password storing | 21:48 |
| ruskie | epost.ca... is that like a snail mail -> digital service? | 21:48 |
| timeless | kinda | 21:48 |
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| timeless | there's no snail involved | 21:48 |
| ruskie | hehe | 21:48 |
| timeless | just the snail vendor and an evault | 21:48 |
| timeless | it saves on dead trees | 21:49 |
| timeless | it's not a bad theory, just a horrid implementation | 21:49 |
| timeless | doesn't support mobile devices | 21:49 |
| timeless | doesn't support arbitrary web browsers | 21:49 |
| timeless | doesn't allow password storing | 21:49 |
| timeless | doesn't allow easy storing of remote content | 21:49 |
| ruskie | well considering that trees for paper are purpose grown I don't really see much of a problem ;) | 21:49 |
| timeless | doesn't allow easy printing of remote content | 21:49 |
| ruskie | but ok | 21:49 |
| ruskie | went off on a tangent | 21:50 |
| timeless | i'm more or less forced by payroll to use these idiots | 21:50 |
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| timeless | to be fair | 21:52 |
| timeless | there are worse systems | 21:52 |
| ruskie | hehe | 21:52 |
| timeless | my finnish bank for instance | 21:52 |
| ruskie | we just switched to google apps for business at work | 21:52 |
| timeless | to communicate with them securely, i need to log into their web site | 21:52 |
| ruskie | I'm happy we're getting rid of the pop3 crud we had so far | 21:52 |
| timeless | which requires a number from a plastic card | 21:52 |
| timeless | if i take out that card in public, anyone w/ a camera can record all the numbers on the side of the card i'm using | 21:53 |
| ruskie | but then I cried when my manager asks me... can I use POP3? | 21:53 |
| ruskie | hehe | 21:53 |
| timeless | this is obviously "secure" | 21:53 |
| ruskie | fun | 21:53 |
| timeless | because it's something that only I have | 21:53 |
| timeless | me, and anyone who ever sees me use it... | 21:53 |
| timeless | and any mounted camera whereever i am... | 21:53 |
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| timeless | and after i run out of numbers, i have to have a replacement mailed to me at a Finnish address | 21:54 |
| timeless | they don't ship out of the country, because that wouldn't be "secure" | 21:54 |
| timeless | and no, you can't stock up on cards | 21:54 |
| timeless | that wouldn't be "secure" | 21:54 |
| ruskie | that's why the only stuff I ever do with mobile banking is transfering money between known accounts... anything that isn't known requires a OTP made up of 2 chars from an 8 char password they sent me | 21:54 |
| timeless | oh, i don't think they send you an email indicating that you have "secure email" | 21:55 |
| timeless | so i think you have to poll them | 21:55 |
| timeless | see above for how expensive that is... | 21:55 |
| timeless | at least w/ epost, i can cost them money each time i need to use their stupid service | 21:55 |
| ruskie | how come? | 21:55 |
| timeless | (call +1800 == free for me, costs for them) | 21:55 |
| timeless | (... to reset my password) | 21:56 |
| ruskie | ahh | 21:56 |
| ruskie | hehe | 21:56 |
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| philheaton | Quiet in here... | 23:38 |
| merlin1991 | you can't exepect an irc channel to be full of life 24/7 | 23:39 |
| philheaton | I don't. Was just commenting. | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, any development with MohammadAG's case? | 23:40 |
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| merlin1991 | so far not | 23:43 |
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