IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2011-12-15

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PaliDocScrutinizer: in nokia flasher-3.5 I think I found loop which fill that magic bytes00:35
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Palican sombody help me what doing this x86 asm instruction? movzbl (%eax),%eax00:35
Paliand what is doing this? mov 0x8057b40(,%eax,4),%edx00:36
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DocScrutinizer51move Z branch if less?00:39
DocScrutinizer51no clue00:39
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lxp1movzbl: zero-extends byte to long00:44
Technomikeguys i am trying to download or save files on my n900 and it shows the message 'Not Allowed' . i think its a problem with the file system because i was unraring an archive on my n900 earlier and it froze so i had to remove the battery.00:45
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Technomikeis there any fix?00:45
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lxp1is it possible that movzbl (%eax),%eax does write the last byte of the address to the address itself?00:46
PaliMOVZBL Move Zero-Extended Byte to Long00:47
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PaliFor MOVZBL, the low 8 bits of the destination are replaced by the source operand. the top 24 bits are set to 0. The source operand is unaffected.00:53
Palilxp1, you are right00:54
Paliand what does this means? mov 0x8057b40(,%eax,4),%edx00:54
RaeCarruthhow do i manually delete a stubborn app that refuses to vanish? which directories do i need to look in other than /usr/bin ?00:54
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lxp1yeah it may be correct, but maybe i swapped src/dst, depends on what assembler syntax it is00:59
Palisyntax is gcc (GAS)00:59
lxp1okay then it is wrong01:00
lxp1then it does somthing like this in c similar syntax: %eax = (char) *(%eax)01:01
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Palieax = (*eax) & 0xFF;01:02
lxp1which makes a bit more sense than the other variant01:02
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lxp1yes you are right01:02
DocScrutinizersimple dereferentiation01:03
DocScrutinizerbefore eax has an address pointer, after it has the value of that addr storage01:03
Paliok, and what is this? movzbl %al,%eax01:04
Paliwhat is register %al?01:04
lxp1it references the lower bits of %eax01:04
PaliI did not see %al before01:04
DocScrutinizeradress level?01:04
lxp1that means the upper bits stay the same as they are01:05
DocScrutinizeraccu lower?01:05
lxp1yeah it should be the lower 8bit if i remember correctly01:05
DocScrutinizeral and ah?01:06
DocScrutinizeraccu lower 8bit, accu higher 8 bit? err 16 maybe01:06
lxp1ah should be eax[15:8]01:06
lxp1yes i think so01:06
lxp1but if you write to %al or %ah you don't modify the other bits of the accu register (%eax)01:07
lxp1but in this case you only read from it so it is similar to eax = eax & 0xFF01:08
Paliin objdump is this: "movzbl (%eax),%eax movzbl %al,%eax"01:09
Paliso both instruction do only "eax = *eax & 0xFF"?01:10
lxp1no the first does eax = *eax & 0xFF the second does eax = eax & 0xFF01:10
lxp1but it doesn't really make sense to do this...01:10
lxp1so you just could skip the second line01:11
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lxp1do you still want to know what mov 0x8057b40(,%eax,4),%edx does?01:12
lxp1General form of memory address references:01:13
lxp1so that means edx = 0x8057b40 + %eax * 401:14
Paliok, thanks!01:14
luke-jrwas Pali = power kernel?01:18
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Technomikeguys i am trying to download or save files on my n900 and it shows the message 'Not Allowed' . i think its a problem with the file system because i was unraring an archive on my n900 earlier and it froze so i had to remove the battery. is there any fix?01:21
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troulouliou_devhi anybody here ?01:38
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jieroanyway there is a N900 in lumina 710 shell...01:59
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LaoLang_coolI guess maemo is the best os for multi-task support!02:14
chem|stjiero: ? you managed to get maemo running on lumina?02:14
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jierochem|st:  damnit Nokia1 I just "hope" :S02:38
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ShadowJKWhy did you say N900 in Lumia 710 shell?02:47
luke-jrholy crap02:47
luke-jrdrained my N900 battery to 0% cuz I forgot XD02:47
luke-jrand just managed to plug it in in time02:47
ShadowJKwithout bme?02:48
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luke-jrShadowJK: yeah, do I need BME for something?02:49
ShadowJKno I was just wondering which measurement of 0 you used02:50
luke-jr2 mAh02:51
luke-jr(and this is while compiling PyKDE)02:52
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ShadowJK(even when calibrated, it's a guess below 6%)02:52
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luke-jrShadowJK: 2 mAh is also a guess?03:21
ShadowJKyeah :P03:21
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ShadowJKThe guess part is an assumption that at 3248mV there'll be 6% left until ~3000mV which is considered to be 0, though the hardware shutdown is around 2800mV actually, and the cellular modem stops working at around 3100...03:22
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ShadowJKWhether there's actually 6% left until modem stops working, or until the entire device dies, is just an assumption/guess :P03:23
Palilxp1, thanks for help03:27
PaliDocScrutinizer, now I know how flasher got that 8 bytes :D03:28
PaliI found function which return 32bit int from array in flasher-3.503:28
Palifirst is called that function for secondary image03:29
Paliand returned 4bytes is added to array (first 4 - header, second size)03:29
Paliand that function is called on 12bit array (header, size, output from first call)03:30
Paliand returned 4 bytes are last 4 bytes for that stupid nokias magic...03:31
PaliSo now RE coldflashing is done :-)03:32
luke-jrPali: were you = power kernel too?03:33
Paliluke-jr: what?03:34
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luke-jrPali: you maintain power kernel or not?03:34
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luke-jrPali: are you interested in patch to add highpass filter (so speakers don't blow up)?03:35
Paliyou can sent me it, I will look at it03:35
luke-jrwhere at?03:35
luke-jrPali: still want me to email it?03:36
Paliits ok03:36
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luke-jrPali: would be nice if it could be made to work at all kHz, and/or disable kHz it doesn't work at entirely, but I don't know how to do either03:40
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Palishit, that magic bits are really crc32....03:57
Palifirst crc32 checksum is for image data03:57
Paliand second for: 4byte header, 4byte size, 4byte first checksum03:58
Paliwhy nokia added checksum for 12byt message??03:59
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merlin1991in order the be really really sure?04:00
troulouliou_devhi i have reinstalled my n900 with a custom rom and need to reistall all my apps , i can not find the name of the apps that allow to choose between cam or flashlight when opening the cam lid04:00
Pali16bytes init message it: 4bytes header, 4bytes image size, 4bytes crc32 of image, 4bytes crc32 of first 12 bytes04:00
merlin1991"custom rom" ? sounds evil04:00
troulouliou_devmerlin1991 bah it is just a backup with some app and shortcut added04:01
merlin1991troulouliou_dev: I belive the name is Camera Lens Launcher04:01
merlin1991package name cl-launcher04:01
troulouliou_devmerlin1991 ok checing now thanks04:02
troulouliou_devmerlin1991 and what is the name of the app that allow to manage the way the N900 connect to internet04:03
troulouliou_devdisabling 3g / bluetooth / wifi ....04:03
merlin1991err that descitpion is wayyyy to amibigous04:03
troulouliou_devit is a menu  located in settings04:03
troulouliou_devthat allwo to configure all the conection like bluetooth / wifi / 3 g ...04:04
troulouliou_devi installed it and used it for years but know can not find it again04:04
merlin1991sorry, don't know that one04:04
troulouliou_devok np :)04:05
troulouliou_devbtw this is the rom i have installed
merlin1991you do realize you can do all that without installing the "custom rom" from that err suspicous page?04:06
SpeedEviltroulouliou_dev: flashlight-extra04:06
troulouliou_devmerlin1991 yes sure to be honest i just wanted to know how they manage to shrink the font size in the shell for some apps :)04:07
troulouliou_devsome ncursed base apps04:07
merlin1991I guess the have the binary send something to xterm04:08
merlin1991you can adjust the font size yourself with the zoom keys04:08
merlin1991SpeedEvil: I've been looking for that one but couldn't find it the right keywords :D04:08
troulouliou_devmerlin1991yes but it is stick at a size of 24 or less i think then it display already at minimum font size04:09
troulouliou_devint this rom they have added size of 6 and 804:09
merlin1991just haxx0r it into xterm04:09
merlin1991I wonder how they can provide a full image of meamo5 + stuff without violating nokia copyright on the closed source parts04:10
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troulouliou_devmerlin1991 don't nwo it is a backup that you install with rootbacup application at startup04:10
troulouliou_devthis is backuo is a legit rom first then it smash /opt and home/user/mydocs04:12
troulouliou_devso i guess it is legit04:12
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Palinew final version of my cold flasher is out, see
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Intan_bany body knows about progresses of harmattan ? i wonder which device is supportet05:03
SpeedEvilOnly the n9 and n95005:04
SpeedEvilthat's it.05:04
SpeedEvilAnd no, you can't port it to other devices legally05:04
Intan_bno support for n900 then ?05:06
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Intan_bbtw n9 is really nice device with more appropriate os05:09
Intan_bwould it got beta release anytime soon (harmattan)?05:10
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SpeedEvilIt's been released on the n905:11
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luke-jrIntan_b: it's been out for a while now05:17
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merlin1991omfg watching unforgettable: "what kind of video games do you like?" --> "Angry birds"06:01
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DocScrutinizermoo flks07:40
DocScrutinizerpali: nice :-)07:41
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Technomikehey guys got a little urgent problem here i need help with. when i go to download or save files on my n900, it shows the message 'Not Allowed' . i think its a problem with the file system or something because i was unraring an archive on my n900 earlier and it froze so i had to remove the battery. Its definetly something to do with that because it was fine beforehand.07:48
Technomikewould really appreciate any help at all07:49
dm8tbrwhat does 'df' tell you? which filesystem is full?07:50
merlin1991also what does mount tell you?07:51
merlin1991especially the MyDocs part?07:51
merlin1991Technomike: ^^07:51
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merlin1991MyDocs should be the line /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,...07:52
merlin1991the rw part is important07:52
dm8tbrmy current best bet would be: FAT is corrupted and mounted RO07:52
merlin1991yeah that's what where I was going with this :D07:52
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Technomike/dev/mmcblk0p1        28312128  27962944    349184  99% /home/user/MyDocs08:02
merlin1991woha nice usage08:03
merlin1991that might be the reason :D08:03
Technomikesorry guys I am fairly noobish to be honest08:03
Technomikehaha well how can i find out if it is read only because that is what seems to be the case08:04
merlin1991Technomike: check "mount" in x-term08:04
Technomike/dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir)08:04
merlin1991that's read write08:04
merlin1991but from your df output it seems to be almost full08:04
merlin1991maybe remove one or two videos and try again ;)08:05
Technomikewell i just checked the disc usage in file manager and 341mb are free08:06
merlin1991you can run df -h for mor readable solution08:06
merlin1991and you should have no permission issue with MyDocs at least since it's mounted with uid=29999 which makes all access to it count as user08:07
merlin1991Technomike: can you run "touch /home/user/MyDocs/awesometesetfile" ?08:08
Technomikeaha just tried to delete a file in the file manager and it said drive is read only08:09
merlin1991that IS odd08:10
merlin1991according to your mount it is still rw08:10
* merlin1991 suggests a reboot08:10
merlin1991if that does not work, save all data and only the fsck the partition08:10
merlin1991fsck on maemo is a synonyme for fuck up ;)08:11
Technomiketouch: /home/user/MyDocs/awesometesetfile: Read-only file system08:11
dm8tbrmerlin1991: mount will not show if kernel remounted 'ro' for broken fs08:11
merlin1991dm8tbr: silly, but I didn't know it08:11
Technomikei have rebooted a few times08:11
dm8tbrTechnomike: attach to PC, do filesystem check08:12
Technomikeah so basically i have gone and corrupted the fs then....08:12
Technomikei have no access to a pc at the moment08:12
merlin1991well then I suggest back up your data, using pc, and after that run fs test08:12
merlin1991on the other hand if you don't need your data, then you can unmount MyDocs and run the fs check on the device08:13
merlin1991risking complete dataloss08:13
Technomikehmm just tried an sd card and even that is saying its read only but its definetly rw because its been in my phone08:13
merlin1991does dmesg reveal anything weird?08:14
Technomike 2684.582214] mmc0: cover is closed, card is now accessible08:15
Technomike 2685.034179] mmc0: host does not support reading read-only switch. assuming write-enable.08:15
merlin1991so far promising08:16
villagermerlin1991: in case you want to know, "cat /proc/mounts" would say what the kernel's view of the mount points are...08:22
* merlin1991 wonders why "mount" reports something else08:22
villagermerlin1991: mount/umount records what they've mounted and unmounted into the file /etc/mtab, and the kernel doesn't update that file on its own08:23
merlin1991one could call the man page for mount missleading then08:25
villagermerlin1991: it's possible to symlink /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts (I think some distros do it), but I think that has its own problems, probably with chroots and whatnot08:25
merlin1991... lists all mounted filesystems ... sounds like the current systemstate to me when I read it08:25
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villagermerlin1991: well, in general it's true, the bootup scripts initializes mtab and all future mounting/unmount happens with mount/umount so it would update mtab, the kernel certainly doesn't do any trickery beyond error recovery08:28
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villagermerlin1991: in some cases such as chroots, though, you probably really do want an independent list of mounted filesystems instead of the kernel one08:29
Technomikeis there a command that i could at least try to make it read-write08:30
villagermerlin1991: also /proc/mounts is a Linuxism, other Unix-type OSes only track stuff through /etc/mtab without providing any other straightforward way to get at the data08:31
villagerTechnomike: the MyDocs or the SD?08:32
TechnomikeMyDocs emmc08:33
dm8tbrfsck, but that can lead to data loss08:33
villagerTechnomike: if it's not already rw, it's probably not going to work... but yes, there's a command, something like "mount /home/user/MyDocs -o remount,rw" (as root)08:34
Technomikehmmm just put the sd card back in phone and deleted a file and it works fine... so its read write08:35
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Technomikeoh well tried it and no luck as you knew anyway08:37
Technomikewell looks like its a format tomorrow... :(08:38
villagerTechnomike: did it say why or put anything interesting into dmesg?08:38
Technomike/home/user # mount /home/user/MyDocs -o remount,rw08:38
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Technomikepressed enter08:39
Technomike/home/user #08:39
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villagerTechnomike: it doesn't say anything if it works, maybe it worked then?08:39
Technomike[ 4427.891143] FAT: Filesystem error (dev mmcblk0p1)08:39
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Technomike[ 4427.891174]     fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0)08:40
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Technomike[ 4427.891204]     File system has been set read-only08:40
villagerTechnomike: well I'd rather try fsck before going to the step of formatting08:40
Technomikewhere can i obtain it08:40
villagerTechnomike: you already have it on the device I think08:41
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Technomikefsck 1.41.3.maemo0 (12-Oct-2008)08:42
villagerTechnomike: you could try something like "fsck -t vfat -y /dev/mmcblk0p1" (the -y says "fix all errors even if it's risky")08:42
Technomikeis it really that risky though08:43
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luke-jrrun without -y and it will ask you08:43
luke-jralso unmount it first08:44
villagerTechnomike: depends on the damage... only fsck will know... the -y just says that if it does discover it's risky, it won't ask and just do it08:44
Technomike/home/user # fsck -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p108:44
Technomike/bin/sh: fsck: not found08:44
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Technomike/bin/sh: fsck: not found08:45
Technomikewhat have i done wrong?08:45
villagerTechnomike: what about /sbin/fsck?08:45
Technomikegot it08:45
Technomike(got root shell)08:45
Sc0rpiuswell /sbin should be in root's PATH08:46
villagerTechnomike: or skip the wrapper and do "fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1"08:46
Technomikedone it08:46
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TechnomikeThere are differences between boot sector and its backup.08:47
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Technomikedoes that mean anything08:47
villagerprobably something bad08:48
villagerdid it ask whether you want to fix it?08:49
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TechnomikeFATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ?08:49
Technomikei have 2 choices08:50
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villageryeah there's definitely been some corruption then08:50
Technomikewhat would you do? try this or just use pc to backup and reformat08:51
villagerany choice is risky and may lose data, but I'd probably choose fat number 1, as it's probably the one that's written first?08:51
villagerand therefore most up to date?08:52
villagerwell, even if you tried to backup, the pc would have to read one of the FATs in order to do that backup, and it'd probably use FAT 1, so can't make things much worse to tell fsck to use it08:54
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villagerhave you had the phone suddenly shut down, lose power, or whatever, while it may have been writing data to the emmc? it might explain this08:55
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Technomikei was extracting a rar archive on my n900 and it froze for 10min so i took the battery out09:00
villagerin that case it's probably not physical damage to the emmc, and fsck will only lose whatever file was being written at the time09:00
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Technomikeah thats great09:01
Technomikeso it should be fine to do this now then09:01
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Technomikevillager and everyone else09:16
Technomikemany thanks for your help. i will just backup on pc and format tomorrow.09:16
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DocScrutinizer(<Sc0rpius> well /sbin should be in root's PATH) only when invoked via 'root', not though when invoked via 'sudo gainroot'10:11
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pfavrI've figured out how to close notifications using dbus, just use: mdbus2 org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.CloseNotification 2311:15
pfavrThis closes the notification with id 2311:15
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jazedalThere seems to be an IPC error with gpg-agent on the n900.13:19
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niv_hi, how can I force the N900 to use AGPS and not GPS?13:23
niv_I mean that screen that asks whether to get info from my cellular provider13:23
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niv_when you first use the N900 and turn the gps on , a window asks whether you like to use the cellular info for the gps13:31
niv_how to get this screen?13:31
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SpeedEvilsettings -> location -> network positioning13:32
SpeedEvilI'm fairly sure that's what that is using.13:32
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SpeedEvilIf you are having rrouble with the GPS, make sure the clock s set about right, and place it in view of the sky (note that some windows are not GPS tranparent) for 13 mintues.13:33
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jazedalgpg-agent works when you launch a sub-shell (e.g. gpg-agent --daemon /bin/bash), but it otherwise errs.  For example, with the command line, "gpg -d secret.txt.gpg", it outputs, "gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use", and with the command line, "gpg-agent", it outputs "gpg-agent: can't connect to the agent: IPC connect call failed". Has anyone else had this issue?13:49
jazedalOh, and the environment variables were set (i.e. eval `gpg-agent --daemon`).13:51
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niv_speedEvil: this is plain gps14:50
niv_speedEvil: I want to use AGPS and the cellular tower init info14:51
ruskieniv_, I believe agps is only used to jumpstart the normal gps14:51
niv_right ruskie14:53
niv_and so the time to get a fix is a min14:53
niv_I get five minutes14:53
niv_and only when I see a lot of sky outdoor14:54
niv_i dont think the setting/location/network is the answer14:54
ruskieyou in the middle of a city? out on a grassy hill? middle of a forest?14:54
ruskieinside of a building?14:54
niv_on the street buildings a two floors14:55
niv_lots of sky14:55
niv_inittal location is far away from me14:55
ruskiehmm that sounds broken... what apgs server do you have in your settings?14:55
niv_it allways starts there14:55
ruskieI think the inital location is set to when it last had a good lock14:55
niv_100km from here14:55
niv_not in my case14:56
niv_int. gps14:56
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DocScrutinizer51niv_: change supl server to google15:03
DocScrutinizer51most likely will fix things15:03
DocScrutinizer51and make sure your time is correct15:04
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DocScrutinizer51initial loc either from agps and agps/supl/gsm, or from last fix15:06
DocScrutinizer51100km off might mean it locates you at center of your country according to GSM CC15:07
DocScrutinizer51or TZ15:07
DocScrutinizer51or whatever15:07
DocScrutinizer51good enough for (A)GPS15:10
DocScrutinizer51check your time, your supl server15:10 known to be broken15:10
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kodomo_hi folks... does anyone happen to know whether the N900 VoIP client supports SRTP?16:15
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kodomo_at least it seems to support SIP/TLS...16:15
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Sicelodoesn't. as far as i can gather16:20
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niv_DocScrutinizer51: thanks, was away , eatting16:22
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kodomo_Sicelo: ic - as far as I get it, not even the regular telepathy supports it for now...16:25
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Siceloexactly... that's how i knew n900 doesn't. it's voip client is (based on) telepathy16:28
kodomo_hm... I guess I'll hop to #telepathy and ask them whether it's a planned feature :P16:29
kodomo_It's a bit of a surprise that it doesn't - given that libraries exist.16:30
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MohammadAGanyone good at graphing functions?18:21
bindiwhat do i win18:22
luke-jrnew N900s for $200:
MohammadAG|x| + |y| = 518:22
MohammadAGI need that drawn18:22
bindihavent heard of worfram alpha?18:23
MohammadAGbindi, can I plot two equations together?18:25
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bindii guess18:26
binditry seperating with comma18:26
MohammadAGthat site is awesome18:28
bindiyou can also make something like plot {x^2, sqrt(x)}, x=0..218:28
MohammadAGthis is weird though
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MohammadAGbought an iOS app to help me18:36
MohammadAGit's awesome, with lybniz was as powerful18:36
javispedrodid it cost $99999?18:36
MohammadAGbut it draws 3D stuff and allows manipulation18:37
MohammadAG(by 3D I meant X/Y/Z planes)18:37
* javispedro runs SpaceTime on GarnetVM18:37
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javispedroMohammadAG, any suggestions to deal with N950 abstinence syndrome?18:41
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MohammadAGjavispedro, what?18:48
MohammadAGjavispedro, yeah, buy an iPhone18:48
MohammadAGworked fine for me18:48
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DocScrutinizer51javispedro: hi!19:03
javispedroog, dual-core a5 chip19:06
javispedroall-new 8mp camera19:06
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javispedroand siri!19:06
ShadowJKis A5 the low power core for the asymmetric multicore thing?19:08
RST38hmoooo javispedro19:08
MohammadAGafaik it's based on the ARM-A919:08
ShadowJKOh, apple a5 not cortex a5?19:08
javispedromoo RST38h19:08
luke-jrI don't suppose anyone's looked into these "scheduling while atomic" bugs in Fremantle/power?19:08
RST38hany news?19:08
MohammadAGjavispedro, 4S sucks, get a 4 :P19:08
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MohammadAGI want a consistent header across my app19:09
javispedroRST38h, naaah, I am also N950less due to dead pixels19:09
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javispedroMohammadAG, hah, I once wanted that too, but gave up19:10
MohammadAGjavispedro, (!!)19:12
MohammadAGsadly it's on a window basis19:12
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RST38hjavispedro: this dead pixel thing scares me19:14
* RST38h looks at n950 anxiously19:14
luke-jrdead pixels = useless?19:14
luke-jrjavispedro: I never got a N950.19:15
luke-jrhum, maybe ramzswap is related to the sched while atomic bug? but mine DID look different :/19:16
javispedroluke-jr, the blobs kept growing19:16
MohammadAGwhen half the pixels go...19:16
luke-jrjavispedro: ew19:16
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javispedroit was nowhere near "half the pixels" but in three weeks it went from a few pixels to nearly a full line19:20
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javispedroso I worried that if I kept waiting DDP might eventually forget about the device entirely19:21
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MohammadAGMTF ALWAYS crashes my app for no reason19:45
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RST38hMeanwhile: A Chinese neighbourhood was contaminated with human waste after an explosion caused by sewage-stealing thieves.20:28
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rdchem|st, replacing the display revived my n900. Thanks a lot for the guidance in narrowing down the problem.20:40
rd(now I have a good reason to continue building navit packages for the n900 :-)20:40
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Jef91It seems the charging port on my n900 no longer wants to work21:08
Jef91Any ideas why that might be or do I need to crack it open?21:08
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Proteoushopefully the usb jack hasn't become unsoldered from the board21:09
ShadowJKMost likely the port came off21:09
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ShadowJKSome people report their usb data cable still charges their N900s when that happens. Might just be because it applies pressure slightly differently21:10
ShadowJKbut I'd be nervous to try, since if it's unused it'll be alot tighter and probably dislodge the port completely21:10
Jef91yea if I angle it right it appears to charge21:11
ShadowJKso it's loose21:11
Jef91man I was really hoping to get another year out of this21:11
ShadowJKthe port is about to fall off but hasn't quite fallen off yet21:11
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Jef91nothing to be done about it then?21:12
Jef91Just piss poor nokia hardware?21:12
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ShadowJKA professional electronics repairman might be able to save it as long as it hasn't detached completely..21:12
ShadowJKand a risky procedure21:12
Jef91well it out it the n900 is just a brick right?21:13
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ShadowJKSome people have a few batteries that they cycle through external chargers21:13
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Paliping X-Fade21:14
Pali~seen X-Fade21:14
infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 1d 3h 19m 33s, last said: 'pawky: yes'.21:14
Jef91Well I do have a second n90021:15
Jef91swapping batteries around might work I guess21:15
Jef91Where can I get an external charger from?21:16
* ShadowJK has a external charger ready for the day when his N900s ejects usb ports21:16
ShadowJKhere's a selection of stuff
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Jef91thanks shadowjk21:19
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infobotfrom memory, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)22:07
DocScrutinizerJef91: ^^^22:07
Jef91thanks docscrutinizer22:08
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niwakamesomeone experienced discharging at N900 while switched off?22:10
DocScrutinizermay happen22:10
DocScrutinizernot all subsystems of N900 are force-shutdown22:10
niwakamehave to remove the battery then next time22:11
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DocScrutinizersome contact directly to battery and have no direct /SHUTDOWN pin22:11
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DocScrutinizerxso if your device didn't shut down "normally" (but rather crashed to off or sth, hard shutdown by 8s powerbutton hold), you might find some subsystems still eating power22:12
niwakameI just shut it down by power button22:13
DocScrutinizeralso the main (APE) system as well can enter a state where device *seems* to be off but actually isn't. Frequently seen on stall reboots22:13
niwakameI removed the battery for extracting the SIM card and put it back in :/22:14
DocScrutinizerNB in that regard plugged-in charger makes device *always* reboot22:14
DocScrutinizerinserting battery sometimes can cause this22:15
niwakameWould be interesting if that happens too when connecting USB, but other end is not connected to charger / PC22:15
DocScrutinizeryou should always boot up the device after inserting battery, then shut it down if that's what you want22:15
niwakameOk, I will do that next time :) thanks22:15
DocScrutinizerniwakame: no, there's simply no way the device could detect a open-ended cable in USB22:16
niwakameSo it was really taken down by my N9...somehow22:16
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DocScrutinizerniwakame: when inserting battery, all the subsystems that are directly powered by battery may enter an undefined state22:17
DocScrutinizere.g whole modem22:17
DocScrutinizeron booting up APE all those subsystems will see proper initialization, and will usually behave on next shutdown22:18
niwakamein design terms22:19
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niwakameLike the "You can't charge the device when it's not charged" because the charging is managed by CPU / some other part that needs juice inside22:20
DocScrutinizernah, it's simply like there's no urgent need to have a 100% safe and rock solid POR circuitry on all subsystems22:20
DocScrutinizerniwakame: that's BS22:20
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover22:21
niwakameNever experienced myself, just seeing ppl complaining at the forum22:21
niwakameBut good to know22:21
DocScrutinizeremphasis on "Nokia wallwart fastcharger"22:22
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DocScrutinizerit actually won't charge from PC USB host, as for USB ENUM *obviously* the CPU and system needs to be up and running22:22
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DocScrutinizer(well, you might be lucky and it _does_ charge form PC nevertheless, but it's neither guaranteed nor officially supported)22:23
DocScrutinizerbut flatbatrecover emergency charging with the steady amber is a mere hw thing, that can't usually fail22:24
DocScrutinizerdoom starts when the system kicks in after emergency charging did it's job. Then if you got a rootfs that's borked then you can't get charging to continue as booting to system stops emergency charging hw and switches to "sw-controlled charging"22:26
DocScrutinizerits job*22:27
DocScrutinizerand the BAD[TM] thing is that flashing a clean rootfs will fail at battery levels you could reach by hw driven emergency charging, so THAT is the well known flat battery boot loop, a vicious circle that is the reason for "WARNING!! charge your battery completely before any flashing"22:29
infobotit has been said that maemo-flashing is
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niwakameI humbly request to stop the information flow towards me, because I will get a bad conscience not answering and do say to thee: Thank you for all previous enlighting information ;)22:32
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DocScrutinizera pleasure22:40
DocScrutinizerand get your USB port fixed! :-D22:41
DocScrutinizercheck the plug of the cable, contacts might be worn out or bent or dirty22:41
DocScrutinizerooh sorry22:41
niwakameThat's rock solid since day one :P22:41
DocScrutinizernope, was menat to Jef9122:41
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psychologeDocScrutinizer, has a shortcuts to forward history on microB?22:43
Jef91I tried several cables doc22:43
infobotwell, shortcuts is
niwakame...just trying, worked for DocScrutinizer xD22:43
DocScrutinizerlol, thanks niwakame22:43
DocScrutinizer~factinfo shortcuts22:44
infobotshortcuts -- created by odin_ <> at Sat Dec  5 16:10:16 2009 (740 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by niwakame, 49s ago.22:44
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psychologeinfobot, when microB on fullscreen mode , i want use keyboard forwrd history,,,i can use backspace key back history,but i don't kown any key forward22:46
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psychologeShift+Backsapce can't forward history on MicroB22:48
* niwakame laughs22:49
niwakameBut I don't know either, I just clicked on the link again to forward22:50
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