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| trumee | luke-jr, using konversation on N900? | 00:01 |
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| luke-jr | trumee: yes, but not portrait | 00:01 |
| luke-jr | in fact, X.org doesn't even seem to SUPPORT portrait.. :o | 00:01 |
| trumee | luke-jr, is gentoo running in chroot? | 00:02 |
| luke-jr | trumee: fully booted now | 00:02 |
| trumee | luke-jr, nice. how well is it performing? | 00:02 |
| luke-jr | usable. | 00:03 |
| luke-jr | KDE's netbook mode seems buggy though | 00:03 |
| luke-jr | so I'm upgrading to 4.7 now | 00:03 |
| trumee | luke-jr, cool. did you try kmail/kontact? | 00:03 |
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| luke-jr | trumee: no, I'm sticking to KMail 1 from KDE 4.4 :p | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | until Trojita is mature | 00:04 |
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| trumee | luke-jr, well i am using whatever gentoo provides. | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | KDE supports KMail from 4.4 still | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | KMail 4.7 is insane buggy | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | it requires MySQL running on the system | 00:05 |
| trumee | luke-jr, seems kmail 4.7 cannot import old emails | 00:05 |
| trumee | luke-jr, kmail might be too memory hungry on N900 | 00:06 |
| trumee | somebody was developing irc client for harmattan. not sure if it ever got ported to N900 | 00:07 |
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| newbie007 | greetings, I'm trying to convert a video using tablet-encode-2.30 the input file is 2+ hours the resulting avi is 12 minutes. It is possible to convert a longer video? | 02:23 |
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| timeless_xchat | help | 02:33 |
| timeless_xchat | i need a way to tell Phone not to dial numbers that aren't +1 | 02:35 |
| timeless_xchat | my n900 likes pocket calling Finland | 02:35 |
| timeless_xchat | and the UI designers were so *clever* | 02:35 |
| timeless_xchat | that they made it trivial for pants to add contacts to the desktop | 02:35 |
| timeless_xchat | and then call them | 02:35 |
| timeless_xchat | so i'm calling an Aapo | 02:35 |
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| timeless_xchat | hrm, callblocker.py seems to manage inboud calls | 02:47 |
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| mihu | Hi. What are the chances that a recent kernel (say 3.1.4) is working on the N900? | 10:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Depends. | 10:01 |
| SpeedEvil | If you mean the baseline kernel, AIUI it won't boot. | 10:01 |
| SpeedEvil | You'll need to forward port some stuff to get it to work properly | 10:01 |
| mihu | SpeedEvil: On the arm-linux mailing list, sometimes patches against rx-51 are posted. This is the N900, right? | 10:02 |
| mece | mihu, yes | 10:03 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 10:03 |
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| mihu | Yesterday somebody posted a patch to get USB working again. So I was under the impression that generally any recent kernel version should work, minus some stuff that might be broken. | 10:04 |
| mihu | But not that important stuff must be forward ported. I'm confused. | 10:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe I'm wrong, and there have been efforts from the cssu or other people to forward-port stuff. | 10:05 |
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| mihu | SpeedEvil: I'l just give it a try and let you know the results. | 10:05 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs at porting. | 10:05 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Which works fine for me, on the grounds that it screws some people with my chipsets wifi | 10:06 |
| mihu | SpeedEvil: There is no "rx51_defconfig" in 3.1.4. ... | 10:09 |
| SpeedEvil | So at least you're going to need to do some work, I guess. | 10:09 |
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| mihu | SpeedEvil: The rx-51 board is compiled when "omap2plus_defconfig" is chosen. People have reported that this boots on a N900. But of course drivers/gpu/pvr/sgx* is missing, so booting != working system. | 10:20 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - I think that was what I meant. | 10:20 |
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| mihu | SpeedEvil: There is some "meego device adaptation" kernel on gitorious, where the sgx driver is included. But no work has been done since April on that. | 10:23 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 10:23 |
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| bergie | http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/call_for_presentations-open_mobile_linux_at_fosdem_2012/ | 12:18 |
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| pfavr | Hi, anyone know a way to suppress sms notifications (the small yellow things)? | 12:47 |
| ruskie | you mean the bar across the top | 12:49 |
| ruskie | or the stuff that shows up when you receive something? | 12:50 |
| pfavr | Both :-) | 12:50 |
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| ruskie | not sure you can either | 12:51 |
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| pfavr | The reason is I would like to use the N900 as an SMS gateway - just receiving SMSes and uploading them to a server. I believe the notifications will be a problem - if they pile up it will use too much memory (and I would have the manual task of removing them). | 12:52 |
| ruskie | why not get a usb 3g modem for that? | 12:52 |
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| pfavr | I have figured out to suppress the notifications caused by fmms (when receiving MMSes). That one was easy (just commenting out a single line in /opt/fmms/wappushhandler.py). | 12:53 |
| pfavr | I like the N900 better - it is a very rugged complete solution. A 3G modem needs to be connected to a computer in order to work. | 12:54 |
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| pfavr | Another possibility might be to use dbus to snoop on the creation of notifications - but I haven't found a way to close them by sending dbus messages. Wonder if that is possible? | 13:10 |
| ruskie | pfavr, the conversations widget can close them | 13:12 |
| ruskie | so should be possible | 13:13 |
| ruskie | might look into that one | 13:13 |
| ruskie | conversations inbox widget I think | 13:13 |
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| pfavr | Thanks! | 13:29 |
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| * DeRbi ::::::::::::::::> WWW.MEGA-HD.ORG <:::::::::::::::: {{{{{{{{{{ The best FREE High Definition movies, videos, FREE SOFTWARE }}}}}}}}}} | 15:43 | |
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| ruskie | bored DeRbi ? | 15:48 |
| ruskie | someone should probably ban or something | 15:48 |
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| antifa | there is this feature: if alarm starts ringing and you turn the phone, alarm stops... any way to disable that? | 17:05 |
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| Sicelo | i'm sure there is antifa. but i use EvilAlarm for cases like that | 17:30 |
| merlin1991 | any modest hackers around? | 17:30 |
| antifa | Sicelo thanks alot for your answer :) just what i needed :) | 17:32 |
| Sicelo | yw | 17:32 |
| Pali | ping jacekowski | 17:35 |
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| Pali | ~seen jacekowski | 17:45 |
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| infobot | jacekowski is currently on #maemo, last said: 'yeah, dependencies'. | 17:45 |
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| Pali | ping DocScrutinizer | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: a minute max | 17:55 |
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| Pali | I RE cold flashing | 17:56 |
| Pali | when you have a time, write me | 17:56 |
| Pali | I need some help | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in 2h maybe | 17:56 |
| Pali | ok | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 17:57 |
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| Pali | ping X-Fade | 18:08 |
| Pali | ~seen X-Fade | 18:09 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 14m 13s, last said: 'pawky: yes'. | 18:09 |
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| jacekowski | Pali: ? | 18:15 |
| Pali | jacekowski, I RE cold flashing and I published my tool | 18:16 |
| Pali | But I have one problem | 18:16 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 18:16 |
| jacekowski | have you heard about AAA | 18:16 |
| Pali | no, what is AAA? | 18:16 |
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| jacekowski | hmm | 18:16 |
| jacekowski | let me find it | 18:16 |
| jacekowski | 0xffff | 18:17 |
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| Pali | I know this | 18:17 |
| Pali | but it does not support cold-flashing | 18:17 |
| Pali | this is reason why I RE that flasher protocol | 18:17 |
| Pali | problem is that flasher-3.5 send before secondary image 16 bytes of something... | 18:18 |
| Pali | first 4 was still same, second 4 is secondary image size, and last 8 I do not know | 18:18 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 18:18 |
| jacekowski | checksum | 18:18 |
| jacekowski | sounds like crc32 | 18:18 |
| Pali | but that last 8 was same for one secondary image | 18:19 |
| Pali | crc32? | 18:19 |
| jacekowski | hmm, maybe not crc32 | 18:19 |
| jacekowski | 8 byte checksum | 18:19 |
| jacekowski | let me think about it | 18:19 |
| jacekowski | do you have an example | 18:19 |
| Pali | see this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80840 | 18:20 |
| jacekowski | i don't have n900 | 18:20 |
| Pali | here is source code of my tool | 18:20 |
| jacekowski | can you send me xloader file | 18:22 |
| Pali | xloader? I think that depends only on secondary NOLO | 18:23 |
| Pali | when I tried to change old version of 2nd xloader flasher-3.5 still sent same that 8 bytes | 18:24 |
| jacekowski | so? | 18:24 |
| jacekowski | xloader is recieving it | 18:24 |
| jacekowski | and xloader is much smaller | 18:24 |
| Pali | that 8 bytes was changed only when I changed NOLO secondary file | 18:24 |
| Pali | (for cold flashing) | 18:24 |
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| jacekowski | can you just send me that file | 18:26 |
| jacekowski | i don't have flasher or anything on this laptop | 18:26 |
| slonopotamus_ | Pali: could that be just image length? | 18:26 |
| jacekowski | not 8 bytes long | 18:26 |
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| jacekowski | and besides, lenght is somewhere else | 18:26 |
| Pali | no image size is second 4 bytes | 18:26 |
| jacekowski | hmm, that limits it to 4Gbytes | 18:27 |
| slonopotamus_ | then some kind of checksum, yep | 18:27 |
| slonopotamus_ | Pali: md5 is 8 bytes | 18:28 |
| slonopotamus_ | err, forget my last msg | 18:29 |
| jacekowski | 128bits | 18:30 |
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| jacekowski | can anybody send me that xloader file | 18:30 |
| Pali | it is NOLO secondary image (not xloader) | 18:32 |
| slonopotamus_ | Pali: does nolo send any response after these 8 bytes but before image itself is sent? | 18:32 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 18:33 |
| jacekowski | i want xloader | 18:33 |
| jacekowski | 2nd.bin | 18:33 |
| Pali | slonopotamus_: not NOLO, but 2nd x-loader | 18:33 |
| jacekowski | small iirc 19kB file | 18:33 |
| Pali | and yes, it sent 4 bytes | 18:33 |
| slonopotamus_ | Pali: are these 8 bytes sent separately from image size? | 18:35 |
| Pali | no | 18:35 |
| slonopotamus_ | Pali: i mean, is there a response from device between size and these bytes? | 18:36 |
| Pali | I must send 16bytes in one sequence | 18:36 |
| slonopotamus_ | i see. so, it must be only based on image | 18:36 |
| Pali | response after 16bytes | 18:36 |
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| Pali | slonopotamus_: see my source code | 18:36 |
| slonopotamus_ | and they're different for different images? | 18:36 |
| Pali | do not know | 18:37 |
| Pali | I can check it later | 18:37 |
| slonopotamus_ | Pali: could that be image version? i saw my n800 rejecting initfs if it was older than already flashed one | 18:37 |
| Pali | and where should be that image version stored? | 18:39 |
| slonopotamus_ | dunno. does flasher read image contents before sending header to device? | 18:40 |
| Pali | that sequence is not in secondary itself | 18:41 |
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| Pali | I do not know | 18:41 |
| Pali | I used only ltrace + patched libusb for debugging | 18:41 |
| slonopotamus_ | you can strace flasher | 18:41 |
| Pali | and there is memset(ptr, 0, 16); usb_lk_write(..., ptr, ...); | 18:42 |
| Pali | strace or ptrace does not show reading file between memset and usb_...write | 18:42 |
| Pali | *ltrace | 18:42 |
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| Pali | I think flasher load file from disk to memory and then start flashing... | 18:43 |
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| MohammadAG | Pali, that's true | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | NOLO does the actual flashing | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | flasher just copies bytes over and reads status messages back | 18:56 |
| Pali | MohammadAG: this is cold flashing when NOLO does not exists :-) | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | how would NOLO flash if it didn't exist | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | flasher itself NEVER does flashing | 18:58 |
| Pali | flasher send data over usb | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> flasher just copies bytes over and reads status messages back | 18:59 |
| Pali | yes, this is true | 18:59 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: yes, but it sends checksums and whatnot | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, but it doesn't do the actual flashing | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | also, flasher can say the image is fine, but NOLO may fail midway | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | haha, I can tell the total activity on irc during last 9h by looking at my battery icon :-D | 19:34 |
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| Pali | jacekowski, did you find out something about that 8 bytes? | 20:18 |
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| Chiku | Ìû | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pali: ping | 22:46 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer: pong | 22:47 |
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| Pali | can you help me with cold flasher? | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | cold flashing | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe I can, let's see | 22:48 |
| Pali | see log with jacekowski | 22:48 |
| Pali | or TMO thread or source code | 22:48 |
| Pali | what can flasher send? that 8 bytes? | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: AIUI Nokia used standard dfu format for flashing. dfu is defined in USB specs | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you find some hints in there | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I'd suspect it's a checksum over the image to be sent next | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | what happens when you send the "wrong" 8 bytes there? | 22:54 |
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| Pali | nothing | 22:54 |
| Pali | black screen | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 22:55 |
| Pali | NOLO wont boot | 22:55 |
| Pali | I need restart device and cold flash again | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess it's a checksum (crc32, md5sum, whatever) and xloader compares the 8 bytes sent with what gets loaded to RAM, and refuses to start that RAM code when checksum is incorrect | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | first 2 parts are probably start addr and length | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | <startaddr><length-in-bytes><checksum-over-all-teh-bytes><the-bytes...................> | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/staraddr/destination-addr/ | 22:58 |
| Pali | first 4 bytes are same for all images, second 4 bytes are size and last 8 unknown | 22:58 |
| Pali | I think first is not startaddress but type of command | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, maybe | 22:59 |
| Pali | flasher send two X-Loader commands: 1. ping; 2. sending NOLO | 22:59 |
| Pali | ping is: 0x6E, 0x32, 0x01, 0x63 | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 22:59 |
| Pali | send NOLO is: 0x6E, 0x32, 0x02, 0x63 | 22:59 |
| Pali | Now I published LD_PRELOAD library for Nokia flasher-3.5 which show that magic 8 bytes | 23:01 |
| Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80840 | 23:01 |
| Pali | it owerwrite function usb_bulk_write and show magic bytes | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, you evil HAX0R | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 23:02 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer: one other question: Is there any TI omap pdf where is written format of image (for cold-flashing)? | 23:04 |
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| Pali | nokia cold flashing seems to be same as on TI boards | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | Pali: might I suggest doing a breakpoint where you print out the magic, and looking at the stack? | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure there's sth about ROM-boot and what format it expects when booting from serial or USB | 23:04 |
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| Pali | sending 2nd x-loader image is same in flasher-3.5 and in pusb (for flashing beagleboard?) | 23:05 |
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| Pali | luke-jr: Yes, I will start investigating flasher-3.5 asm code... | 23:05 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, I was unable to find something about that format... | 23:05 |
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| Pali | e.g. how it is signed... | 23:06 |
| Pali | luke-jr: but now my n900 has empty battery... I must wait | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.faqs/ka3721.html | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | might have sth (not that particaulr page) | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project <-this one should help | 23:07 |
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| Pali | I'd like to know how is our x-loader signed | 23:10 |
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| Pali | how omap check image signature | 23:10 |
| badcloud_ | anyone here have bt kbd+mouse working? | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbudocumentcenter.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12667 <- for sure has the docs you asked for, you just need to find them | 23:12 |
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| aholler | it's called TRM (Technical Reference Manual) in TI speak | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bbl, semi-afk | 23:17 |
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| RaeCarruth | hey, i have a couple of icons of uninstalled apps that won't budge | 23:20 |
| RaeCarruth | how do i remove them from view | 23:20 |
| RaeCarruth | ? | 23:20 |
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| NIN101 | rm the corresponding .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: AIUI xloader has either a header or a trailer consisting of the checksum across the code bytes encryped by some sort of pgp 'secret' key. ROMboot tries to decrypt that with the 'public' key in TPM, and then checks if the decrypted checksum is identical to what the ROMboot calculated during download of the xloader image | 23:36 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer51, where did you found it? | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dedution | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | deduction | 23:37 |
| Pali | do you think that Nokia N900 has own ROMboot? | 23:38 |
| Pali | or is same as in other TI devices? | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | same | 23:38 |
| Pali | so this should be somewhere documented I think | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it is | 23:39 |
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| FIQ | hm | 23:48 |
| FIQ | has CSSU modified the reply line @ mail? | 23:48 |
| FIQ | because it looks weird as now | 23:48 |
| FIQ | partially swedish and english mixed :p | 23:49 |
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