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DocScrutinizer[2011-12-07 18:27:35] <kerio> DocScrutinizer51: why can't i embed a bigass antenna in a case?  ---  You as well could ask why you can't embed a marimba in jell-O01:00
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Estel_vi_, what about this gconf one-liner script for disabling auto lock, and enabling it back for given time?01:03
Estel_Of course I could search for it myselfr, but if You already did it and promised to send, I used my timeframe cycles for other tasks ;)01:04
Estel_thanks in advance01:04
chem|st~autolock01:05
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Estel_seems infobot isn't informed about it enough. Eh, bot should provide internal automatic secretary function, playing set messages for targetted individuals upon their arrival. Or even better, internal mail replacement. Or whole TCP/IP internal replacement ;)01:07
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DocScrutinizertzzz01:17
DocScrutinizer~+help onjoin01:18
infobot   Desc: get/set OnJoin message (needs chan option +OnJoin)01:18
infobot  Usage: onjoin [#chan|_default] [-]<nick> [message]01:18
infobotExample: onjoin infobot Hey! It's another infobot!01:18
DocScrutinizer~+help page01:19
infobot   Desc: Send someone a pager message01:19
infobot  Usage: page <who> <message>01:19
infobotExample: page infobot you rock!01:19
infobotNOTE: this uses the "<who>'s pager" factoids for the From: and To: addresses of the format "example's pager" is "mailto:me@example.com"01:19
DocScrutinizer~timriker's pager01:20
infobotit has been said that timriker's pager is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org01:20
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DocScrutinizer~onjoin estel_ Estel, old haxor! read http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-12-08.log.html#t2011-12-08T01:07:10 ff01:27
infobotDocScrutinizer: ok01:27
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Hurrianhow can I use GPT for the sdcard on the N900?08:21
Hurriankernel-power 49 doesn't want to cooperate08:21
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SpeedEvilgpt?08:23
Hurrianyeah08:24
Hurriani tried once, maemo didn't see my p3 swap partition and it said "memory card format not supported"08:25
Hurrianunder k-p so it should've had gpt support08:25
SpeedEvildefine gpt08:25
Hurrianguid partition table08:26
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jazedalWhy do you want to use GPT?08:31
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Hurrianmoar partitions08:32
Hurrianseriously, i want to have p1 as regular fat32, p2 as easy-debian, p3 as swap, p4 as meego, and p5 as android08:32
Hurrianinternal p4 will probably house maemo-on-emmc08:33
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SpeedEvilWhy?08:34
jazedalI figured, wait.08:34
SpeedEvilJust use swap as a file08:34
SpeedEvilOr extended partitions08:34
jazedalWhy not use LVM?08:36
jazedalLVM is better supported.08:37
jazedalAnd, better.08:37
Hurriancan i boot OSes off lvm? or do i still need dm-setup or whatever it's called08:38
jazedalYou can still boot OSes off lvm.08:39
jazedalYou can choose to encrypt if you want.08:39
Hurrianoh, that's nice, and it looks a lot better than extended partitions. i can probably shove meego and android on a lvm'd p408:39
Hurriannext question, how can i boot maemo off a partition on the N900?08:40
Hurrianit simply sputters and dies, using the M32GBPR12 scripts08:40
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Hurriani used the copy script, and simply wrote my own multiboot item file08:41
Hurriani assume i should be using ext3 (which is also supposedly builtin to k-p) instead of ext4?08:42
jazedalI haven't tried it. I believe I've heard of troubles doing so. Why would you want to?08:42
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jazedalGPT vs. LVM: http://insan-it.blogspot.com/2010/09/gpt-versus-lvm.html08:43
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Hurrianit's said that i can lower CPU usage a slight bit by not using ubifs as root08:44
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jazedalCreate Multi-Boot USB: http://comptb.cects.com/67-multi-boot-usb-with-syslinux-and-grub4dos08:46
Hurrianwut08:47
Hurriani'm talking about booting maemo off a emmc partition08:48
jazedalHurrian: the rootfs is much faster than the other storage devices08:49
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jazedalI'm not sure if you will save cpu, but you may slow down the whole system.08:50
Hurrianreads on emmc and ubifs are same speed08:51
Hurrianwrites would be faster on ubifs if it wasn't compressed08:51
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jazedalWhat tool did you use to take these measurements?08:52
Hurrianhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=744130&postcount=9108:52
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jazedalOh, well then, good luck on the project. You may find a better answer in the thread where everyone else on the project is. If you gain any noticeable performance (without err), please document it in the wiki.09:06
jazedal~seen Hurrian09:07
infobothurrian <~yuki@121.54.2.104> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14m 56s ago, saying: 'http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=744130&postcount=91'.09:07
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arvuthulloooii!09:27
arvutmesa be backsa!09:27
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jazedalOh shoot, we were going to throw you a surprise party.09:32
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jazedalBut, I told them they couldn't.09:35
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RST38hwell. moorning.09:54
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jazedalDo you know what one of my pet pieves is?10:58
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jazedalWhen someone says 'by definition' to support their argument when they obviously don't know what it means. For example, "programming is, by definition, tedious," or "youtube is, by definition, entertaining," or "people are, by definition, stupid."10:58
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jazedalThey are subjective statements, and have nothing to do with the definitions of those terms! Programming can be fun, youtube is a traitorous web service, and regardless of whether or not people are stupid, Webster hasn't declared it definitive.10:59
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vi_jazedal: is english your 1st language?11:01
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vi_jazedal: if you listen to people speak you will hear a constant stream of garbage.11:02
vi_Not just the content.11:02
vi_I mean the structure.11:02
vi_It will be peppered with bullshit phrases and constructs that the offender does not really understand however feels should be used due to encountering a similar verbal position before.11:04
vi_It is just the slack talking mong speak of the spackers around you.  Deal woth it.11:04
vi_^with11:05
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vi_Worst offneders are people with art 'degrees'.11:06
vi_offneders? wtf?11:06
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jazedalI cannot deal with it.11:08
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Maceri think stupid is a good definition of people12:27
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javehello12:37
javecan I, somehow, redirect all user data to be on a sdcard?12:37
kerioMacer: even a single person can be stupid12:38
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kerio"stupid" is not a valid characterisation of people12:38
javeon a n900 I mean.12:38
keriojave: sure, save there12:38
kerio>:D12:38
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Macerkerio: people are cattle.. you only need to take a trip to your local walmart which, by definition, is nothing more than a human zoo12:42
* Macer grins12:42
javealso it would be nice if I could use encrytption for at least part of the data12:42
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kerioMacer: my local walmart is 938km away, and it's in germany13:18
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jazedaljave: Sure, why not.13:24
chem|st~database13:25
infoboti heard database is how you store your dataAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa13:25
chem|st~databases13:25
jazedalOh, infobot.13:25
chem|stdoes anyone remember the "10 misconceptions about databases" thing?13:25
chem|stlink?13:25
jazedalWhat is confusing about databases?13:26
javeill think ill build a gta0413:26
vi_jazedal: and that is why you are a social recluse who hangs out on irc.13:26
jazedalI don't understand.13:27
chem|stjazedal: nope, was stuff like 1. users have a realname13:27
vi_ < jazedal> I cannot deal with it.13:27
jazedalI can't, it's an abomination of language. The tool we use to communicate ideas.13:28
jazedalIt reduces professional and academic terms to mere figures of speech.13:28
vi_For someone who values 'real speech' so highly it is odd you would choose to eschew the convenience of speech for irc.13:29
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jazedalIt is not convenient for me.13:32
jazedalThis computer does not have a microphone.13:33
Juozapasis it possible to set up laptop/pc as bluetooth speaker/microphone  and use it to receive call from n900? i mean something similar like hands-free system in a car when you use car radio but here i want to use laptop instead of the radio13:34
jazedaljave: You can store your files in MyDocs, encrypt the entire volume, or create an encrypted file in MyDocs and mount it separately.13:34
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javejazedal: thanks!13:36
jazedalYou're welcome.13:36
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jazedalvi_: Also, I consider it being safe and free of human contact. You can call it socially recluse if you must.13:39
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chem|stJuozapas: yes15:21
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Juozapaschem|st: can u tell me more about it ?15:23
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chem|styou need to setup your computer/laptop as bluetooth headset in general15:23
chem|stI did that years ago and as it automatically connected as mic and speaker from then on I killed it again15:24
chem|stit did do it for anything15:24
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Juozapasdo u remember programs u used ?15:25
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Juozapaschem|st: ?15:32
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chem|stJuozapas: no, or I did not use specific stuff more like I edited the bluetooth configs15:51
chem|stJuozapas: lmgtfy15:51
Juozapasthx ;]15:53
Siceloiirc broadcom drivers call it Headset Gateway15:53
chem|stJuozapas: for you I'd guess bluez is a start15:55
chem|stJuozapas: unfortunately the system I did all that stuff at is offline and off (laking a PSU atm)15:56
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Juozapashttp://nohands.sourceforge.net/config.html16:02
Juozapaschem|st: i found something16:02
Juozapasmaybe u used it ?16:02
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chem|stJuozapas: nope17:16
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lolololhello?19:33
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asdfghasdasdhello?19:34
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lolololasdsadhello?19:34
dm8tbrZOMG!19:35
javispedrotrololo, trololo...19:36
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qwerty12hello bros19:39
qwerty12I amtrying to make an IRC>espeak bridge.19:40
qwerty12so far it sucks19:40
javispedrodid it try to pronounce ZOMG and trololo? you should have recorded it! :)19:41
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qwerty12?19:41
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javispedro?19:42
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hiemanshu?19:45
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MohammadAGjavispedro: Probably not20:48
MohammadAGIn other news, im looking at a DHL package20:48
MohammadAGBut feat it might be filled with explosives20:49
javispedrowohoo!20:49
MohammadAGFear20:49
javispedrosend it to me20:49
MohammadAG1 infinite loop right?20:49
javispedroright there20:50
MohammadAGAha i knew it!20:50
javispedroc'mon, just get a stick and open it!20:50
javispedrolong enough, of course20:50
MohammadAGjavispedro: Going out in a bit, so ill open it in the car later :p20:51
javispedroexploding cars always make better headlines!20:51
MohammadAGUnder the rain makes it more dramatic20:52
javispedroactually, what you should fear is whether the stones that will be inside will be Qt compatible or not20:52
MohammadAGlol20:52
MohammadAGjavispedro: Theres another N950 still in customs20:52
MohammadAGThe one nokia claimed, theyre not sending it back20:53
SpeedEvil...20:53
MohammadAG~israel-sucks20:53
infoboti guess israel-sucks is http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A20:53
SpeedEvilMadness20:53
javispedroinfobot: lol20:53
infobotrumour has it, lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.20:53
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javispedrobtw, still waiting for my asus rma20:53
javispedrotwo months for now20:53
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javispedronearly two months and a half..20:54
MohammadAGjavispedro: Read the line before the two clearance delays20:54
MohammadAGIll give it two weeks20:54
MohammadAGThen ill ask for it and say they sent me an N950 without requiring a license20:54
MohammadAGThen ill ask if Nokia still want it20:55
MohammadAGIf not, its a nice gift20:55
SpeedEvilThey'll turn up at you rdoor and demand the unlicncenced one20:55
javispedrowhat will happen is that they'll raid your house20:55
javispedroexactly =)20:55
MohammadAGOr i can port Windows Phone 7 to it20:55
MohammadAGSpeedEvil: They dont know my door20:55
MohammadAGI didnt ship to my house, im not that dumb :p20:56
javispedrothey'll look for any unlicensed maemo mass communicating devices20:56
MohammadAGSo i shouldnt use that plan then?20:58
MohammadAGIn all seriousness that is20:58
javispedrothe usual answer would be "ask a lawyer"..20:59
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javispedroMohammadAG: you didn't open it yet??21:03
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: mooo :-D21:03
javispedromoo DocScrutinizer21:03
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DocScrutinizer:-S21:04
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DocScrutinizereven office mail via OUTLOOK! unbearable21:04
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DocScrutinizerthe worst thing about paid work is the tools you have to use21:05
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javispedrohey, I'm starting to find Excel usable21:06
DocScrutinizerexcel always been relatively nice21:06
DocScrutinizereven back when it wasn't a M$ product21:07
Gh0styexcel21:08
MohammadAGjacekowski: Its still a virgin21:08
Gh0styte most abused tool ever!21:08
Gh0stythe*21:08
MohammadAGMy uni forces us to use it21:08
Gh0styseen the most freaky things run on top of excel21:08
MohammadAGFor physics21:08
Gh0styfrom change and incident managment up to realtime market data calculations and publishing21:08
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javispedrousing Excel is actually changing me a bit. There's some manipulation work where I would previously have developed a script but nowadays I tend to use excel. At least only if the end result is a chart21:08
Gh0styimagine 10 excel sheets which update with a clock ... :P21:08
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer: Thunderbird ftw21:08
MohammadAGImagined, anything else?21:09
MohammadAGHmm21:09
DocScrutinizerhah, a guy at Siemens, who knew all bout egg-sell but nuttin about anything else, once coded his own text editor in a set of excel sheets, each page a new sheet, ech char in his own cell. The friggin thing even did line-wrapping21:09
MohammadAGWould be fun if siri on ios turned into clippy on 1 april21:09
javispedrohahaha21:10
MohammadAGOh and i feel like making a siri-like thing on harmattan21:10
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: thanks, dude. Alas company policies don't even allow FF21:10
javispedroDocScrutinizer: so this means you found a job? :)21:10
MohammadAGExcept itd use pocketsphinx and be offline21:10
MohammadAGUsing predefined commands that will continue to be updated21:11
DocScrutinizerfinished my first week today, with a first productive result on checking tickets against source21:11
javispedroMohammadAG: i'd love someone configuring pocketsphinx for me21:11
MohammadAGEven how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood21:11
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javispedroMohammadAG: I couldn't get more than 0% accuracy21:11
MohammadAGIll ask some ios devs to help21:11
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MohammadAGBeen ~seening one on #harmattan a lot lately21:12
javispedroDocScrutinizer: :) congrats21:13
DocScrutinizerthanks but :-S21:13
javispedroMohammadAG: is the DHL package STILL closed?21:13
MohammadAGYes21:13
* javispedro remotely zaps MohammadAG 21:13
MohammadAGFor one im on the shitter21:14
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MohammadAGIm not taking my precious n950 there21:14
MohammadAGWell, was21:14
MohammadAGTheres a perfectly good ipad for that21:15
DocScrutinizerMEH, I wasn't interested in details21:17
javispedroyou also have an ipad?21:17
javispedrotalking about ipads, more touchpads on the way: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/12/08/1545236/hp-reviving-the-99-touch-pad-on-december-11th21:19
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MohammadAGjavispedro: Twas a gift21:19
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MohammadAGYou may version me to check21:19
Jartzaoh well21:20
JartzaNokia service replaced my N900 to E721:20
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ShadowJKJartza, did you complain?21:35
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DocScrutinizerJartza: that's level one, and it's last level of settling issues when you don't complain21:55
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DocScrutinizerno complaints == "the customer was pleased to finally get a *real* phone"21:56
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timeless_xchathello world23:28
timeless_xchatanyone here familiar w/ dial central?23:29
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