IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-12-05

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vi__who here knows about scratchbox?00:38
vi__mehg scratchbox won't connect to the net!00:38
vi__The host computer is connected00:38
vi__I can ping stuff00:38
vi__however after I /scratchbox/login00:38
vi__I try and wget some source00:39
lxp1maybe it is a dns problem00:39
vi__wget http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~brain/0verkill/release/0verkill.tgz --23:36:13--  http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/%7Ebrain/0verkill/release/0verkill.tgz            => `0verkill.tgz' Resolving artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz... failed: Host not found.00:39
lxp1check your /etc/resolv.conf00:39
lxp1it may be different within scratchbox00:40
TrcxYup, that's what it sounds like to me00:40
TrcxDNS problem00:40
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vi__so I have changed my /etc/resolv.conf to be the same as the resolv.conf however it still does nothing.  Do I have to reload anything?00:45
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vi__That is the resolv.conf of the machine that scratchbox is installed on.00:47
vi__It has internet just fine.00:47
vi__still host not found!00:48
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vi__how can I diagnose this problem?00:52
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vi__what must I do?00:52
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vi__how do I make it resolv stuff?00:55
vi__how?00:57
vi__anyone?00:57
r00t|homeby spamming the channel some more00:57
r00t|homethat will help00:57
vi__I can wget stuff if I use the IP00:57
vi__-_-00:57
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vi__I just want to know why I cannot resolve any IPs00:58
r00t|homebecause your dns setup is broken00:58
vi__what must I do to diagnose it?01:00
r00t|homecheck what nameserver should be used, and why it's either not used or can't be accessed...01:00
vi__how do I know what nameserver should be used?01:03
vi__is that my router?01:04
vi__or a dns server like opendns?01:04
vi__once I have re-written my my resolv.conf, do I have to restart anything?01:07
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vi__scratchbox Y U NO RESOLV???01:18
javispedrohm01:18
javispedrofind all resolv.conf files inside /scratchbox and ensure all of them are correct01:18
javispedrothere might be more than one.01:18
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vi__javispedro: jesus christ.  why so many copies of resolv.conf everywhere?  Well at least I have learned somthing new.01:28
vi__All I have to do now is learn how to upload this shit to autobuilder01:28
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javispedro this tends to happen when you have lots of chroots.... which is what scratchbox is :P01:28
jargon-what is sgx_msr?  840     2 root     RW       0  0.0 96.2 [sgx_misr]01:28
javispedropersonally, I'd run a nameserver on localhost and call it a day.01:28
jargon-it's buttshafting my n90001:28
javispedrojargon-: reboot time01:29
jargon-javispedro: that would be the 2nd reboot in 30mins. it seems,when i charge my phone while gpodder is downloading podcasts, my screen doesn't recover from black. can't switch the phone off,either, but it's still on, emails come in, notification bell and all.01:30
* jargon- reboots his n900....again01:30
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vi__it is GFX chip spazzing out like a mongo.  Power off, pull the battery, restart.01:34
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jargon-vi__: i ssh'd in and rebooted. battery's full now,incidentally01:35
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vi__sdl will act as a layer bewtween program and opengles?01:36
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javispedrovi__: no, it will act as a layer between program and egl/x1101:38
javispedrobut it abstracts little if anything of opengl/opengles.01:38
vi__forget it01:41
javispedro?01:41
vi__I am going to start on ripping flashlight applet off to create a new flashlight program.01:41
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vi__That doesnt suck balls01:41
vi__trhankyou for all your assistance.01:42
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ptlHi, I had a Nokia N900 and I am considering buying the Nokia N9. Is it worth it or I'll be damned with lack of support and indifference?01:53
Robot101ptl: no worse than the N900 - and more chance of commercial apps in the ovi store from people who target S60 + Harmattan. I have the N9 and I really do like it - it's a better phone & product - definitely not as hackable though01:54
ptlnot as hackable as the N900? why?01:55
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Robot101ptl: it has this security framework called Aegis which means changing the OS in ways not expected/permitted by Nokia is prevented01:56
pabs3~aegis01:57
ptlbut isn't it optional? or you can't use it in practice if you deactivate it?01:57
TrcxIf it was easy to deactivated, that would defeat the purpose01:58
ptlwhat about the OS? meego is discontinued again? is there a talk.maemo.org for the N9?01:58
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ptlTrcx: I mesan, the user could deactivate it, isn't it? Not the applications01:58
SpeedEvilIt's not really meego.01:59
TrcxHonestly I have no clue, I have no experience with the N901:59
Trcxsorry that I can't be of more help01:59
SpeedEvilHarmattan is to meego what Planet of the Apes is to Gorillas in the Mist.01:59
ptlso it's better?01:59
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ptland btw, is there a specific channel for it?02:01
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Robot101ptl: #harmattan02:02
Robot101this Meego != Harmattan pedantry is kinda irrelevant, the only MeeGo devices that shipped anywhere are MeeGo netbooks (nearly identical to Moblin) and STBs from Amino (the fact they are MeeGo is pretty much irrelevant to any owner/end user, if you're in the right part of Italy to have one)02:03
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pabs3and of course now MeeGo is kaput, so its best to forget that it ever existed :)02:04
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chem|stptl: yes tmo has a section and there should be #harmattan02:05
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ptlchem|st: thanks02:12
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ptlRobot101: thanks too02:13
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luke-jrok, I'm seriously considering posting a complaint on the power kernel for GPL infringement :/04:30
SpeedEvil?04:30
luke-jrcan't seem to get the source figured out04:30
SpeedEvilpy04:30
luke-jrthe patches don't apply04:30
SpeedEviloy04:31
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SpeedEvill04:31
SpeedEvilArgh.04:31
SpeedEvilOh.04:31
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TrcxWould someone upload /usr/sbin/fmtxd from there N900 for me please?  Forgot to make a backup.....04:34
merlin1991luke-jr: err, how does the extras builder build the pk then?04:36
merlin1991black magic?04:36
merlin1991Trcx: why don't you extract the combined image with flasher?04:37
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TrcxErrr....english?  Sorry, I'm new to the N900 platform, but am pretty familiar with linux, just not with flashing and whatnot04:38
merlin1991~flashing04:38
merlin1991or not, infobot donw?04:39
merlin1991well http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware04:39
Trcxthanks, will read04:39
SpeedEvilTrcx: http://www.mauve.plus.com/fmtxd04:39
merlin1991the image you flash onto the phone there (the COMBINED one) is basically your rootfs04:39
merlin1991and flasher has an option to extract it instead of flashing it04:39
Trcxthanks SpeedEvil!04:39
SpeedEvilThat's current version04:40
merlin1991so you could get your binary there without anyone breaking any copy restrictions :D04:40
merlin1991on the other hand someone can just upload and not care :D04:40
TrcxGotcha, what application do you use for a flasher04:40
* SpeedEvil mehs.04:40
SpeedEvilIf anyone from nokia objects, I will remove it.04:40
SpeedEvilTrcx: Have you downloaded it?04:40
TrcxYes04:40
merlin1991the flasher is on the wiki page too, you get it from the same place as the images04:40
Trcxthanks04:40
SpeedEvilnp04:41
merlin1991I'd have uploaded the binary for you, but mine is modified without a backup :D04:41
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TrcxThat's what got me in trouble in the first place04:42
Trcxlol04:42
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luke-jrmerlin1991: you tell me\04:51
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LaoLang_coolhm, I'm meeting the issue "internal error, application 'e-mail' closed"05:01
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LaoLang_coolIt's here even I reflash emms and rom of n90005:02
LaoLang_coolI have no any clue05:02
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jonwil~seen mohammadag09:34
infobotmohammadag is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'The latter is the same on iOs but you can create and edit playlists'.09:34
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* pabs3 wonders if any Meltemi info got released yet10:10
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ruskiepabs3, assuming it actually exists10:13
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eichii did a cssu update and kernel update. now screen is black. dont know if I can reboot or have to wait more10:16
eichiokay. key aboth reacts. seems that the wm is crashed10:16
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jonwil~seen mohammadag14:16
infobotmohammadag is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'The latter is the same on iOs but you can create and edit playlists'.14:16
trampwhat's up jonwil14:17
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jonwilnot much14:18
trampWhat is your current project for maemo?14:19
jonwilI think operator-name-cbs-widget is as done as it can get at this point, the next step is inclusion in cssu-t14:19
jonwilicd-wlan-priority is still ongoing but I just cant seem to come up with a design for it that makes sense14:19
trampGoodie14:19
jonwilespecially a UI design for the control panel widget icd-wlan-priority is going to require14:20
trampWhat does it do?14:20
jonwilthe intent is to let you assign priorities to different wireless networks14:20
trampbeyond the obvoius14:20
jonwiland the phone will connect to the one with the higher priority14:20
trampinteresting, you've run into that problem?14:21
trampI'm rarely in an area where two of my networks overlap14:21
jonwilno I haven't had that problem but others have and want the feature14:22
jonwilmy virtualkeyboard work is also not going anywhere for various reasons14:22
tramp:/14:23
trampi mean, what are you doing with the vkbd?14:23
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jonwilmostly trying to clone some bits of it to make messing with it easier14:24
jonwilI already came up with a nice set of stuff to edit the keyboard layout files :)14:24
trampwhere is my maemo package idea list...14:25
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trampa keyboard layout frontend?14:25
trampkeyboard remapper, rather14:25
trampthat's neat14:26
trampand a good idea14:26
jonwilBasically it lets you edit the virtual keyboard layout files14:27
jonwilIts not a GUI tool, it just lets you convert a keyboard layout file to XML14:27
jonwiland from XML back to a layout file14:27
trampoh it's just for the vkbd? i thought it was for the physical kbd14:27
jonwilyes vkbd14:27
jonwilphysical keyboard is set by other files14:27
jonwilthat you can already edit14:27
trampyes, by hand, i thought you made a FE14:28
jonwilnope14:28
jonwilGUI programming is not my strong suit14:28
jonwilat least not GTK14:28
jonwiland Hildon14:28
jonwiland etc14:28
trampi almost never use the onscreen keyboard. I just map the phys keyboard to handle all common chars14:29
trampthat's ok, who needs a gui when you have a perfectly good terminal14:30
tramp;)14:30
trampwould you like to see my maemo package todo list?14:31
jonwilyeah :)14:31
jonwilThe main problem I have is being inspired to work on things14:31
trampi better explain them actually..14:31
trampa core optifier14:32
trampit optifies the core applications on the phone, so you don't have to play with the sketchy optify script everytime you flash14:32
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jonwilinteresting14:33
trampi thought of it when i ran out of root space14:33
jonwilwhat else?14:33
trampsomething to fix the paths of programs, forexample...14:33
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trampthe locate program wont work until you install gnufindutils and move /usr/bin/gfind to /usr/bin/find14:34
trampthere are similar problems with other programs too14:34
trampthey require switches only the gnu versions provide14:35
trampand some expect them to be in /usr/bin14:35
jonwilok, and what else?14:36
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trampa notify-send equivalent, to control notifications from the terminal or scripts, and then...14:36
Paliping X-Fade14:37
trampan irssi notifier plugin (very easy, i already made it. it just needs to be packaged after someone does the following...)14:37
tramprebuild irssi with perl-support and repackage14:37
trampthe rest are just repackages14:38
trampof debian applications14:38
trampe.g. fio, KeePass214:39
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trampi've already built fio, and irssi (--with-perl) for maemo before, i just haven't packaged them yet14:41
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trampand KeePass214:41
trampWhat do you think?14:41
jonwilinteresting14:42
jonwil:P]14:43
trampyou can be honest14:45
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trampI'm not interesting in making anything unnecessary14:46
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trampjonwil: You're also, of course, free to do them for me ^^14:48
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jonwilnot interesting any of those myself14:48
trampI'm surprised no one else has had problems with those14:48
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trampthat is, the program path problem14:49
trampand irssi, being the lightest, most useable irc client on the phone14:50
* Sicelo likes irssi on N900 :)14:50
trampSicelo: What do you think about it notifying you when someone says your name?14:51
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tramplol, like just then14:52
Sicelowell, mostly i use it remotely, via ssh, but i have it installed on N900 too. so, such a feature would be very welcome :)14:52
trampright, you can't get notifications when over ssh :/14:53
trampjonwil said: "Interesting, I'm not interested."14:56
Sicelotramp: not sure i get u.. i'd like that irssi14:57
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trampSicelo: I said you can't get notifications when you use irssi over ssh.14:58
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trampSicelo: I'll make it though, thanks for letting me know14:59
Sicelo:)14:59
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trampWhat about the path problem, is that not a problem for anyone?15:00
* jonwil just cant get inspired to work on things15:01
jonwilmostly because no-one seems to care about the stuff I do15:01
jonwiland because I cant seem to make any useful progress...15:01
trampIt really became a problem when I tried to develop packages directly from the phone. I had enough errors to work through to track some of them back to a problem of unusual paths.15:01
trampwell, then...just do something people care about X_X15:02
freemangordonvkb for example :p15:03
SpeedEvilBouncing boobies!15:04
trampif people care about it, then dont fret, jonwil15:04
Corsacboobs!15:04
jonwilproblem with vkb stuff is that I cant seem to make any progress on it15:04
SpeedEviljonwil: I find the CBS work interesting. I admit, I'd find it more interesting if my provider did anything with CBS.15:04
jonwilvkb code is too complex (like many parts of the N900)15:05
SpeedEvil:(15:05
trampi just told you my method or workaround, and only to save you time if everyone adopts my method instead15:05
jonwilmore to the point, I gotta stop procrastinating and get all the things I need to do this week done so I am ready to go on holidays next week15:08
tramphow long have you been programming?15:09
trampignore that question15:09
jonwilThe best part about my holiday is that I will pass through even more cell towers and get more logs15:12
tramplogs for what15:12
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jonwillogs of the towers I pass through15:13
jonwilfrom my cbs widget15:13
trampfor what, wifi geo location15:13
jonwilno, just for interest15:14
SpeedEvil:)15:14
tramp:)15:14
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tramp*rolls eyes*15:16
* RST38h wonders if anyone will be geeky enough to buy jonwil a little programmable cell tower for Christmas15:17
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RST38hhand-sized15:17
Paliping X-Fade15:19
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trampseriously, though, what do you need a virtual keyboard for, when you can remap the physical one with every key you need?15:22
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SpeedEvilThe virtual one is more damp-proof15:23
SpeedEvilAmongst other things15:23
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trampdamp-proof?15:24
trampexplain15:24
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jonwilI dont need a tower, what I REALLY want for Xmas is source code for connui*, icd* and hildon-input-method-*15:28
jonwilThat and an apartment that doesn't feel like a furnace when the temperature goes up15:28
jonwil:P15:28
* SpeedEvil looks at the thermometer in single digits inside.15:29
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nealIf anyone has a few minutes, I'd appreciate testing of my packages:15:32
nealhttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/murmeltier/0.4~2011120315:32
nealhttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/apt-woodchuck/0.4~2011120315:33
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SpeedEvilWhen I get back from the post box, posting randoms books and stuff.15:33
nealthanks!15:33
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* jonwil doubts he will ever have source code for icd2, libicd-network-wlan, hildon-input-method-widgets, hildon-input-method-plugins, libimlayouts, connui-cellular or connui-common :(16:35
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jonwil'in the relm of things that are at least theoretically possible to obtain, I still wish I could get hold of hexrays for ARM, it would be so useful for all sorts of things IMO :P16:54
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trampHexrays should be able to decompile ARM instructions. It's built on IDA, and I know IDA decompiles ARM.17:09
jacekowskihexrays is not builtin into ida17:10
tramp*glare*17:11
jacekowskiit's just a plugin17:11
jacekowskiexpensive plugin17:11
trampI did not say it was built into IDA.17:12
jacekowskiand there are two separate plugins one for x86 and one for arm17:12
trampAre you supporting my theory, or disagreeing with it mysteriously.17:14
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freemangordonjonwil, isn't IDA with AMR hexrays available somehow (torrents, emule,...)?17:26
freemangordon*ARN17:26
freemangordonARM*17:26
freemangordondamn17:26
jonwilif it was, I would have found it by now17:26
jonwilx86 yes, ARM now17:27
jonwilno17:27
freemangordonhmm, I will check local torrents this evening17:27
freemangordonwho knows, having in mind our local hackers :D17:28
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jacekowskifreemangordon: nope, they don't sell it17:43
jacekowskifreemangordon: not yet at least17:44
freemangordonThere are several IDA versions on thepiratebay.org, have no idea about sells :D17:46
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freemangordonwill check later if those contain hexrays for arm17:47
jonwilthey dont17:48
jonwilunless its one I havent seen before but I doubt that17:48
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freemangordonThe latest is from august this year. Anyway, I will try to find it in emule17:49
jonwilgood luck finding it17:50
freemangordon10x17:50
jonwilI know places where guru level hackers hang out and even they dont know of a leak17:50
jonwilThe main use for it in the N900 case would be to understand function flow17:51
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fosstuxHi! I've tried several methods to reflash my n900 - in ubuntu it says flasher-3.5 command not found, from the gentoo live cd it cannot load libusb.so.0. In fedora I get device or class busy.18:53
fosstuxI simply can't reflash my n90018:54
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fosstuxThat's why I have the following question: Is itz possible to increase the vfat partition in size?18:54
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freddddI am facing a little problem with my contact and calendar synchronisation.19:35
freddddI have set sync.expressionate.org to CNAME to m.google.com, which it does just fine, and pinging it from my N900 detects this.19:35
freddddWhen setting sync.expressionate.org as Exchange server in address, it spews out invalid exchange address, while m.google.com works.19:35
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freddddhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72558&page=2 seems to be a still active thread about it.19:36
freddddIs there anything I can do?19:36
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jonneanyone know what the proper way is to make ssh start on boot?19:57
jonnei tried googling it but all the results seem to be about making sure it doesn't start on boot19:58
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luke-jrjonne: it does by default19:59
jonneyeah, but i either disabled it and forgot how, or something isn't working right20:00
jonnechecking the init script now20:00
jonne/etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run doesn't exist, so that's not it20:01
jonnedoes ssh status applet interfere with the init script?20:02
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jonneyeah, that appears to be the culprint :/20:07
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ruskiehttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Ainol-Ainovo-Novo7-/ <-- hmm20:31
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fosstuxHow can I enable syncing of calendars and contacts with google?21:19
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Sicelohttp://wiki.maemo.org/Sync#Synchronising_with_Google21:23
Sicelodunno how well that works though21:23
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fosstuxHow usable is meego or tizen on the n900?21:49
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javehello22:19
andre__hi.22:19
javeI managed to reflash my n900. thanks all for the help/22:19
Sicelo~seen merlin199122:21
infobotmerlin1991 is currently on #maemo (1h 44m 8s) #n9 (1h 44m 8s) #debian (1h 44m 8s) #harmattan (1h 44m 8s), last said: 'in my /etc there is also group-, passwd-, shadow-, gshadow- what's up with those files?'.22:21
merlin1991ofc infobot is on #debian too22:21
merlin1991and logs me asking newb questions :D22:21
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Sicelo:D22:23
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merlin1991~seen arcean22:28
infobotarcean <~Arcean@aadb225.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 2d 8h 47m 48s ago, saying: '~malf'.22:28
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vi__so are there any bored c haxors who want to look throughmsome code with me?23:48
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