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| DocScrutinizer | world seems top down | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe not | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | on a sidenote: looking at mva's real user name I friggin wonder how anybody could read those weird arab fonts unless at least at 28pt | 00:32 |
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| ShadowJK | They're probably readable at 6pt as long as you have sufficient dpi ;-) | 00:36 |
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| jonwil | ~seen mohammadag | 02:55 |
| infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo (5d 6h 37m 3s) #harmattan (5d 6h 37m 3s) #meego (5d 6h 37m 3s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 3d 7h 43m 49s, last said: 'icons is a valid plural, no need for an S :P'. | 02:55 |
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| luke-jr | >>> Emerging (31 of 73) kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.6.5 | 03:02 |
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| Rictoo | hey guys | 03:08 |
| Rictoo | is anyone out there interested in reversing the whatsapp protocol? | 03:08 |
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| Rictoo | or has at least made some development on it and can offer tips? | 03:09 |
| * SpeedEvil passes Rictoo the ppastahw protocol. | 03:09 | |
| SpeedEvil | Job done! | 03:09 |
| Rictoo | :| | 03:09 |
| Rictoo | haha | 03:10 |
| Rictoo | sniffing the traffic shows that it's all occurring on port 443 even though xampp should be on 5222 | 03:10 |
| Rictoo | i've deobfuscated the client and reversed the crappy string encryption they have going | 03:11 |
| Rictoo | so i know some (albeit useless) information | 03:11 |
| Rictoo | but i'm having a hard time following the flow of the code since i'm not so adept at reverse engineering | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | :) :( | 03:12 |
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| Rictoo | pretty much how i'm feeling | 03:12 |
| Rictoo | well anyway, im off to bed. if anyone knows anything about the whatsapp protocol, feel free to pm me. | 03:13 |
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| Rictoo | Sc0rpius, I saw you talkng about it in the irc logs | 03:14 |
| luke-jr | Rictoo: uh, what? | 03:21 |
| Rictoo | luke-jr, ? | 03:22 |
| Rictoo | err | 03:22 |
| Rictoo | s/xampp/xmmp | 03:22 |
| luke-jr | sounds like standard XMPP, over SSL… | 03:22 |
| Rictoo | yeah, i tried communicating with it using the details i found in the client, but the server is not respondig to me | 03:23 |
| Rictoo | <stream:stream to="s.whatsapp.net" version="1.0" xmlns="jabber:client" xmlns:stream="http://etherx.jabber.org/streams"> | 03:23 |
| Rictoo | <stream:features/> and another line of <auth xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-sasl' mechanism='DIGEST-MD5-1'/> | 03:24 |
| Rictoo | but the server produces no response (same sent to google's xmmp for example does yield a response) | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | meh, who cares? | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | just use standard XMPP :P | 03:25 |
| Rictoo | doesn't work either | 03:25 |
| luke-jr | I mean ignore WhatsApp | 03:25 |
| Rictoo | im trying to reverse it for fun | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm not even googling wtf might be WhatsApp, for fun | 04:28 |
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| newbie007 | hi, I'm having trouble with the gps system on my n900. I think it started after I did an update to Maemo 5. GPSjinni (and other programs) report the same lat / long no matter where I am. And I believe it is not connecting to any satelites. Is there a way to dianose or correct this problem. | 04:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Check the time is right. | 04:46 |
| ShadowJK | if there are no green signal bars in "Satellites" in gpsjinni, you're not getting a gps signal | 04:47 |
| newbie007 | SpeedEvil: the time is correct, and I believe it ahways has been (if that was to me) | 04:47 |
| newbie007 | ShadowJK: I have 3 red circles | 04:47 |
| newbie007 | sorry, I mean I have 4 grey bars at 15% | 04:48 |
| newbie007 | well between 1 and 4 always at 15% | 04:48 |
| luke-jr | My N900 refuses to keep proper time anymore -.- | 04:48 |
| ShadowJK | Well you need like 4 at over 50% | 04:48 |
| newbie007 | as I recall when I first got the n900 (worlds most awesome phone btw) the gps didn't work at least not well after an update it worked great almost always. That is why I suspect it was the update that caused the problems. It has been consistantly not working for the last week | 04:49 |
| LaoLang_cool | How to export/import between n900 and outlook without nokia suite? | 04:50 |
| luke-jr | newbie007: N900 isn't a phone. | 04:50 |
| LaoLang_cool | export/import contacts | 04:50 |
| newbie007 | I second that | 04:50 |
| luke-jr | newbie007: try changing your SUPL server | 04:50 |
| ShadowJK | The maemo update didn't change anything related to gps | 04:50 |
| newbie007 | hmm :/ | 04:50 |
| ShadowJK | But, operators are known to block supl servers, nokia's supl servers are known to break, and google's supl server allegedly now rejects n900 | 04:50 |
| newbie007 | luke-jr are you saying I should # sudo gpsjinni ? | 04:50 |
| ShadowJK | what | 04:51 |
| newbie007 | I'm not sure what a supl level is | 04:51 |
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| ShadowJK | it's a server not a level | 04:51 |
| newbie007 | sorry it's been a long day. Is that something I can change? | 04:52 |
| newbie007 | ah I see it is set to supl.nokia.com | 04:52 |
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| LaoLang_cool | s/nokia/google/ will be fine | 04:53 |
| newbie007 | I can ping it | 04:53 |
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| newbie007 | supl.google.com returned an error message | 04:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | newbie007: set supl.google.com, enable AGPS, make sure you got correct time, internet connection, preferably a SIM for getting rough idea of continent you're on, correct time again (!), and free view to the sky from left to right and front to aft. then place the device on stand on a table or hold it like it was on a table and not cover upside with your hand, and WAIT | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, and get location test app | 04:55 |
| newbie007 | thanks | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: WUT? google rejects N900? | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?! | 04:56 |
| newbie007 | well,, on second try it did work | 04:56 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, dunno i just vaguely remember people switching back to supl.nokia because google didnt work anymore | 04:57 |
| newbie007 | and now I'm getting data | 04:57 |
| newbie007 | I don't like the idea of using google though | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I guess google just occasionally got load issues | 04:57 |
| newbie007 | does anyone know what data I'm sending to google? | 04:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basically your location | 04:58 |
| newbie007 | :/ I think I'd perfer a broken connection to nokia | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus maybe info about your device, your visible neighbour WLANs and your GSM carrier | 04:58 |
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| jpinx | and the latest sites you visited? ;) | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 05:01 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer: as a matter of curiosity - can their system see where a sim card is if it is connected on roaming services from another continent? | 05:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer waits for >>Dear Nokia customer, this week it's been our supl servers that got rooted. But we promise there's been no *sensitive* data on them<< | 05:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | err, though I'm not exactly sure about your question, the answer is probably "No" | 05:03 |
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| newbie007 | I think it would take a network sniff to figure it out, I would hope that it would send something like a set of tower id's and be returned a set of gps coordinates which the phone then uses to triangulate it's position | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | not exactly | 05:03 |
| psycho_oreos | you can always dump packets when data is being sent to and from the supl server and device | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | supl is a) well defined, and b) probably not sending back cords of cell towers, rather it sends back the estimated coords of *you* plus the related almanach and ephemeris data | 05:05 |
| luke-jr | [21:50:53] <ShadowJK> But, operators are known to block supl servers, nokia's supl servers are known to break, and google's supl server allegedly now rejects n900 <-- it does? :/ | 05:05 |
| lxp | i just found an interessting project if you want to investigate that thing a little bit more: http://www.tajuma.com/supl/index.html | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and c) as psycho_oreos says it only needs tcpdump to be sure | 05:05 |
| luke-jr | where do these SUPL servers get their data? | 05:06 |
| luke-jr | can I run my own? | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 05:06 |
| luke-jr | or would I need another GPS to download the data for it? | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends, there are internet borne services for supl data ;-D | 05:08 |
| newbie007 | here is some data on it, looks like there are 2 different protocols on it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS | 05:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I guess even the NOAA or whatever the ETLA for that organization running american GPS will probably also provide some way to get alm and ephem | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh you want some link? good link? | 05:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | here you are: http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps_f.html | 05:11 |
| SpeedEvil | That is not a GPS in a box. | 05:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | a server you can run | 05:11 |
| newbie007 | I think this is the meat of it: http://www.openmobilealliance.org%2Ftechnical%2Frelease_program%2Fsupl_v2_0.aspx | 05:11 |
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| * luke-jr wonders what newbie007 did to make that URI somehow "improperly formatted" O.o | 05:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway the last really god data doesn't come via sat, you need real receivers to calculate atmospheric correction factors based on skew between two RF bands sent | 05:14 |
| newbie007 | there is a pdf on that site that has the structs it seems to can specifiy the number of satelites you want, accuracy level - looks complicated | 05:15 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jrthe first / being escaped probably trips warning flags, as that's a common malware idea | 05:16 |
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| newbie007 | thanks for the help everyone! | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: tbh I still don't get it - on GTA02 I used to adjust my HW-clock time by cranking up GPS, after swapping battery | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | never took longer than 60s, even when time been extremely off (like 1970) | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | indeed | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It shouldn't do this, if cold-started. | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Only if it's trying to warm-start, and doing it WRONG | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, using the ephemerides or almanac data for a time-period before they are valid. | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | it *thinks* it got time while it doesn't - disabling AGPS might actually help | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maybe time off by an hour is worse than time ff by years? | 05:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | after all time off by years *should* invalidate both stored alm/eph as well as supl requests which btw should also return proper time for your TZ | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems somebody at Nokia didn't really get the catch of (A)GPS | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and since quite some time | 05:26 |
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| * luke-jr wonders why ntpd refuses to fix the clock when it's totally out of wack | 05:51 | |
| SpeedEvil | It did eventually for me | 05:55 |
| SpeedEvil | it took a little bit though | 05:55 |
| merlin_1991 | on debian I had to set the clock myself, because ntpd couldn't set it anymore | 05:56 |
| merlin_1991 | syslog was full of time adjust difference is too big crap | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: because it refuses to do so, unles you give option -foo | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I couldn't find this documented. Any details? | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. it's a feature, not a bug | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | RTFManpage | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | I did. | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | looking again, I see it | 05:58 |
| luke-jr | maybe I was looking on another system with older ntpd :/ | 05:58 |
| * luke-jr ponders the best way to get at his N810 | 05:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | >>... or for some reason its time is more than 1000s from the server time, ntpd assumes something must be terribly wrong and the only reliable action is for the operator to intervene and set the clock by hand. This causes ntpd to exit...<< | 05:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd | 06:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I seemed to recall it working | 06:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe I did set the clock | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | --panicgate :P | 06:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yay, ok, so here's the other half, for your convenience: >> The -g option overrides this check and the clock will be set to the server time regardless of the chip time. However, and to protect against broken hardware, such as when the CMOS battery fails or the clock counter becomes defective, once the clock has been set, an error greater than 1000s will cause ntpd to exit anyway. | 06:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ntpd -qg&&hwclock --systohc; in ifup should usually do | 06:14 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: my N810 has no network. | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | I configured ntpd to get the time from gpsd :p | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, -g is just the short form of the --panicgate I mentioned | 06:19 |
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| luke-jr | >>> Emerging (58 of 73) kde-base/kdnssd-4.6.5 | 06:21 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 06:26 |
| luke-jr | it looks like maybe I *didn't* destroy my N810's battery after all? | 06:26 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 06:26 |
| luke-jr | I left it running Maemo4 out in the car, and it hasn't shutdown yet… | 06:26 |
| luke-jr | so BME hates Gentoo? :/ | 06:26 |
| luke-jr | any way to check BME's battery status from Maemo4 CLI? | 06:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: wait... you say you're using GPS on a N810 without internet connectivity and thus without AGPS, to set your systime which is off more than 1000s? | 06:35 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yes, why? | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I never got a fix or just time from GPS on N810, without working AGPS | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | even with AGPS it often seemed more broken than working | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | yeah, I think it needs a fix to give me the time. :/ | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | and it takes 5-10 mins at least to get the fix | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it needs time to get a fix :-P | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | no, it doesn't… | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, ok, that might work, yeah | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | I have it plugged into my car, and it just runs kismet in the background by default | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | 10 minutes, plain sky view, not moving device... | 06:37 |
| luke-jr | (which is why I need to sit down in the car, and turn it off to access over SSH) | 06:37 |
| luke-jr | no, it's moving :P | 06:37 |
| luke-jr | moving always helped me get a fix faster actually | 06:38 |
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| dangergrrl | hmm | 07:41 |
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| dangergrrl | i didn't think about that, fail :( | 07:41 |
| dangergrrl | i was gonna try to use the n900 as a reference clock after i buy a real wifi adapter | 07:42 |
| dangergrrl | but it probably won't get a fix inside | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | dangergrrl: depends on the building, actually | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | my last house, I always got a fix | 07:42 |
| dangergrrl | oh, maybe it will work then | 07:43 |
| dangergrrl | i suppose *any* usb wifi adapter will be higher power than n900? | 07:43 |
| psycho_oreos | not really | 07:44 |
| psycho_oreos | you have specialised ones such as alfa whom makes high powered USB wifi adapter | 07:44 |
| dangergrrl | was looking at some that claim 2000mw with 9dbi antennas | 07:44 |
| dangergrrl | i get about 50% packet loss most of the time using the n900 as a usb<->wifi router | 07:44 |
| dangergrrl | not really? | 07:44 |
| dangergrrl | that was an alfa | 07:45 |
| dangergrrl | AWUS036NHR | 07:45 |
| psycho_oreos | remember that N900 goes up to 100mW, which is at least the equivalent of a PCI/PCIe based wireless card. iinm USB wireless dongles goes up to 30mW (and generally el-cheapo ones) | 07:46 |
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| dangergrrl | but i have never noticed me being able to get wifi on the n900 when someone next to me with a laptop could not | 07:46 |
| dangergrrl | usually if i have nets and they don't, i have gsm | 07:46 |
| psycho_oreos | well their laptop may have issues | 07:47 |
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| dangergrrl | the alfa AWUS036NHR is like $43 from amazon but it claims 2000mw | 07:48 |
| dangergrrl | most of the time i am getting about 50% packet loss on the n900 | 07:49 |
| psycho_oreos | packet loss could be caused by various factors | 07:50 |
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| psycho_oreos | plus.. the N900's antenna is similar to that found in laptops.. i.e. directional. Most USB wireless dongles with detachable antenna are usually omnidirectional and so therefore may have better coverage if the AP is actually nearby | 07:51 |
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| dangergrrl | it is directional? | 07:56 |
| dangergrrl | does google know which way it points? :) | 07:56 |
| psycho_oreos | is what directional? | 07:56 |
| dangergrrl | the n900 wifi antenna | 07:56 |
| psycho_oreos | google doesn't care which way the device is pointing | 07:56 |
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| dangergrrl | no, but it might have a picture | 07:57 |
| psycho_oreos | have a look at the schematics and study wireless | 07:57 |
| dangergrrl | so i know what way to point it | 07:57 |
| psycho_oreos | if you want google to care so much about you, you should have gotten an android device.. heck leave the stock ROM on it and enjoy carrierIQ | 07:59 |
| mva | DocScrutinizer: Droid or DejaVu fonts works okay even with arabic or japanese fonts | 08:01 |
| Macer | hi! | 08:01 |
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| dangergrrl | \i don't care what google thinks of me as long as it finds me a picture or diagram so i can figure which direction to point towards the WAP | 08:09 |
| tramp | what O_o | 08:13 |
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| dangergrrl | if it is directional, the users guide nor the service/disassembly manual really help, it's above the camera but ... | 08:31 |
| dangergrrl | i have it where i don't really need to see the screen i can just turn it different directions and count packet loss... | 08:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | no it actually does help to know where the antenna is and probably even the test points | 08:57 |
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| neal | massoud: I have touched the oauth code in Khweeteur, however, I think it is just using the standard python oauth2 modules. | 11:45 |
| neal | massoud: I'd suggest looking at what it is doing. If you can figure it out, that would be great. | 11:45 |
| neal | massoud: BTW, if you mean you can't get the internal browser window to submit, you just need to click on the submit button a few times and it will eventually work. | 11:46 |
| neal | massoud: It's a bit annoying, but I've noticed that other programs have the same problem. | 11:46 |
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| neal | merlin_1991, jonwil: You can get cell tower information by listening for the com.nokia.phone.net /com/nokia/phone/net Phone.Net.cell_info_change signal on the system bus. | 12:01 |
| jonwil | I know exactly that | 12:02 |
| jonwil | I know all about com.nokia.phone.net | 12:02 |
| neal | merlin_1991, jonwil: The default n900 doesn't enable getting neighbor cells, however, there is n900 code in ofono for getting cell ids. | 12:02 |
| neal | +neighbor | 12:02 |
| jonwil | ok | 12:03 |
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| neal | merlin_1991, jonwil: Unfortunately, the ofono code is rather difficult to follow due to the use of continuations (and C's lack of elegant support for them) and the Linux phonet API lacks documentation. | 12:05 |
| jonwil | If someone can find which cellmo calls its making, that could allow you to figure out how it works | 12:06 |
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| neal | merlin_1991, jonwil: Here is the relevant patch: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.ofono/9238 | 12:07 |
| neal | (the one that adds support ofr cell neighbors to ofono's isimodem driver) | 12:07 |
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| jonwil | I have no idea how to do anything with that on the N900 | 12:17 |
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| jonwil | aha, I said "ok, it appears that the N900 does not have the right PN_NETWORK resource version to support NET_NEIGHBOUR_CELLS" in the past | 12:20 |
| jonwil | The patch may be for other isi/phonet modems e.g. n9[50] | 12:20 |
| jonwil | all I know is that I said that the N900 doesn't support it | 12:21 |
| jonwil | and I wouldn't have said it without a reason | 12:21 |
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| tramp | Hello. | 12:26 |
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| ShadowJK | Does anyone know if N900 calender entries are converted to utc when you enter them, or if they're stored in localtime? | 12:34 |
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| neal | I'd appreciate it if people could check my packages so they can enter testing | 12:42 |
| ShadowJK | grrr. modest not showing folders | 12:42 |
| neal | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/murmeltier/0.4~20111203 | 12:42 |
| neal | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/apt-woodchuck/0.4~20111203 | 12:43 |
| neal | ^ jonwil | 12:43 |
| neal | thanks. | 12:43 |
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| ShadowJK | oh, something has subscfribed to one folder so now modest doesn't show the other folders | 12:46 |
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| tramp | ShadowJK: Test the calendar yourself. Create an entry set to alert you very soon. Then, change your timezone, but reset the time back to your current time, and see if the calendar still alerts you. If it does, then it stores them in localtime. If it does not alert you, then it stores times in UTC. | 13:11 |
| * ShadowJK thinks | 13:12 | |
| tramp | Actually, be sure to set the time back first, then set the timezone forward | 13:12 |
| ShadowJK | "reset time back to current time", you mean set incorrect time? | 13:12 |
| tramp | incorrect for the new timezone, but correct for your current time | 13:13 |
| ShadowJK | it's not correct if I set clock to 1313UTC when the time is 1313 EET? :/ | 13:14 |
| tramp | It doesn't really have to be correct time, so long as the timezone has changed, and the actual time has also changed. | 13:14 |
| ShadowJK | The reason I asked is because I was entering travel plans into calendar, and will be going from EST to CET and back | 13:15 |
| tramp | For example, suppose the time is 0800 CST. Set the time to 0700 CST. Then, change the timezone to EST. | 13:15 |
| tramp | The time will then read 0800, but it will be in a different timezone. | 13:15 |
| tramp | This test should tell you. | 13:16 |
| * ShadowJK thinks | 13:16 | |
| tramp | I assume you (or the phone) will be changing the phones timezone when you travel. Just simulate the event. | 13:17 |
| tramp | ...as described above. | 13:17 |
| tramp | :) | 13:18 |
| tramp | Let me know the results. | 13:19 |
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| ShadowJK | ok, changed from gmt+2 to gmt+1. Time is now 12:21. I'll set calendar event for 13.25, switch back to gmt+2. If event is stored as gmt, I'll get alarm in an hour. If not, alarm in a few minutes? | 13:22 |
| Pali | ping X-Fade | 13:23 |
| ShadowJK | Heh, the event jumped to 14:25 in calendar | 13:23 |
| ShadowJK | excellent | 13:23 |
| Pali | ~seen X-Fade | 13:24 |
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| tramp | ShadowJK: So the calendar stores times in UTC and is timezone aware. Great. | 13:25 |
| ShadowJK | it's not tz aware i think | 13:25 |
| ShadowJK | I'd suspect it stores as unix time ;p | 13:25 |
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| tramp | You changed the timezone, and the times of the entries changed as well. | 13:26 |
| tramp | That means the times were stored independent of the timezone. | 13:27 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 13:27 |
| ShadowJK | It's harder to do it other way around I think | 13:27 |
| ShadowJK | But I was afraid some "designer" would've mandated it | 13:28 |
| tramp | That is the ideal behavior, as the absolute time of the entry never changes, but I see how it makes it harder to plan. | 13:28 |
| tramp | Are we on the same page? | 13:29 |
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| ShadowJK | eh not harder, just I want to know which behaviour it has | 13:29 |
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| tramp | I wish I could get these wifi drivers working in Ubuntu, so I could be building packages. | 13:30 |
| tramp | (not that I need the internet to build packages, but going without it is unthinkable) | 13:32 |
| tramp | ndiswrapper is supposed to work with WUSB11v4, but wlan0 never appears in ifconfig. | 13:32 |
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| LaoLang_cool | I notice gps doesn't work properly after install some apps, I can't know which app can make it be non-functional | 15:02 |
| Sicelo | network-assisted, or on its own? | 15:05 |
| Sicelo | for network assisted, better use supl.google.com in place of supl.nokia.com | 15:05 |
| LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: without network assisted | 15:07 |
| LaoLang_cool | gps is always try to search gps all the time without success | 15:08 |
| Sicelo | btw, having a working sim card in device, even if u don't have assisted gps, will reduce time till fix | 15:10 |
| LaoLang_cool | yes, sim card is in device | 15:13 |
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| pabs3 | Sicelo: why is that? | 15:26 |
| Sicelo | ~rrlp | 15:32 |
| infobot | it has been said that rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP | 15:32 |
| Sicelo | pabs3: ^^ | 15:32 |
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| kerio | hm, is there a reason why that wouldn't work without a sim? | 16:13 |
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| Sicelo | i dunno. but, without sim, isn't gsm radio switched off? | 16:19 |
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| luke-jr | Sicelo: shouldn't be, it's still needed for emergency calls | 16:29 |
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| sanova | hi all | 17:01 |
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| sanova | is there an application for maemo like location2sms for meego? i can not find nothing (for maemo) to send my current position throught sms | 17:02 |
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| aholler_ | so you found something? ;) | 17:03 |
| sanova | aholler_: yes but my n900 has maemo not meego :) | 17:03 |
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| sanova | i have also tried to install deb package in maemo but it doesn't work | 17:04 |
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| mikki-kun | sanova: there is iirc some software which sends your location via sms | 17:12 |
| mikki-kun | i'll try to search it | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: other than with SIM, on 911 cals the mobile equipment doesn't sign in to the carrier network | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | SIMfree 911 calls are a tad different | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | the whole GSM stack works in a special mode for SIMfree | 17:46 |
| dm8tbr | also some networks stopped accepting those | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even on BTS there are happening amazing things for SIMfree: the BTS allocates a whole channel with all its (8, 16?) timeslots exclusively to to the 911 call, possibly hard disconnecting other calls to do so | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they probably have to do this due to TA and general timing pace for timeslots not being established when mobile equipment not booked in to the BTS | 17:49 |
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| sanova | mikki-kun: thanks | 18:16 |
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| mikki-kun | sanova: there seems to be panicbutton which sends your coords via sms to a certain person at the press of a button and then there might be smscon for that as well :) | 18:20 |
| mikki-kun | sorry, was a tad distracted ;) | 18:20 |
| Sicelo_ | anyone with Easy Debian? how do i use the blue keys, eg, numbers? | 18:22 |
| sanova | smscon does many other things.. i prefere something simplier. iirc is not in the repository. i'm looking for panicbutton | 18:25 |
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| Sicelo_ | i checked easy debain wiki, and searched tmo, but seems that's mostly about F1-F12 on pc keyboard, and using special keymaps. all i need is to be able to use the basic blue characters | 18:39 |
| Sicelo_ | s/debain/debian/ | 18:40 |
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| Freak5 | Since there really seems to be no way to get a N950, is there a way to add a keyboard to the N9? | 18:42 |
| Freak5 | Something which can be connected, I mean? | 18:42 |
| Freak5 | If there is a keyboard, which can be physically attached, the N9 would be quite equivalent to the N950, wouldn't it? | 18:43 |
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| dm8tbr | Freak5: you can get a bluetooth kbd working | 18:44 |
| dm8tbr | Freak5: usb-hid would be harder as it would require custom cabling and a custom kernel | 18:45 |
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| Freak5 | Yeah, that seams to be the only way, but is there a better way than duct tape to attach it? | 18:46 |
| Freak5 | I am not sure but I am thinking about a custum kernel sooner or later, but for the kbd bluetooth would probably be best due to space reasons | 18:47 |
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| dm8tbr | get a su-8w or somesuch, has a stand for the device | 18:50 |
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| sanova | panicbutton semms to be great, but i'm not able to add a contact or digit the extent phone number. Which concats it uses? | 19:43 |
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| luke-jr | dm8tbr: I'm pretty sure it's illegal to refuse a 911 call | 19:56 |
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| Jartza | hmmh | 20:00 |
| Jartza | is there something wrong in n900 | 20:01 |
| Jartza | ...n900's "type" command? | 20:01 |
| Jartza | $ type foo.txt | 20:01 |
| Jartza | foo.txt: Not found | 20:01 |
| ShadowJK | it's called cat in *nix | 20:01 |
| Jartza | same for every file | 20:01 |
| Jartza | even if I try "type *" it just lists all the files in the folder, saying "not found" | 20:02 |
| Jartza | ShadowJK: no it's not, if you're trying to find out file type :) | 20:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer MEEOW | 20:02 | |
| lxp1 | have you tried $ file foo.txt | 20:03 |
| luke-jr | Jartza: there is no standard *nix command 'type' | 20:04 |
| Jartza | ahhh... sorry, yes... messed that up :D | 20:04 |
| ShadowJK | type seems to be busybox, it's probably not compiled with it, or supposed to do something else | 20:04 |
| luke-jr | actually | 20:04 |
| luke-jr | 'type' is a command, but not what you describe | 20:04 |
| Jartza | how on earth I thought "file" was "type" is unknown to me :D | 20:04 |
| luke-jr | 'type <foo>' tells you what the command <foo> would do | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | type tells about type of a function/alias | 20:05 |
| luke-jr | $ type ls | 20:05 |
| luke-jr | ls is aliased to `ls --color=auto' | 20:05 |
| Jartza | although there is no "file" in maemo, it seems | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | it doesn't "type" (aka print) anything | 20:05 |
| Jartza | yes, I just somehow got those 2 mixed up. | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jartza: there's maybe no file cmd in messybox | 20:06 |
| Jartza | seems so. | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy file | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | file: | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Installed: 4.12-1osso | 20:07 |
| Jartza | yeah, I'm just installing it | 20:08 |
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| dm8tbr | luke-jr: actually that was govt regulation in at least one country IIRC | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: ? | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | the dropped SIMless support? | 20:25 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 20:26 |
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| dm8tbr | official german govt document http://www.bundesrat.de/cln_090/SharedDocs/Drucksachen/2008/0901-1000/967-08,templateId%3Draw,property%3DpublicationFile.pdf/967-08.pdf | 20:35 |
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| vi__ | xkb, why the dickens does this not work? | 20:42 |
| vi__ | key <BKSP> { [ BackSpace, Escape, Backspace, F12 ] }; | 20:42 |
| vi__ | Backspace works | 20:42 |
| vi__ | Escape works (shift+BS) | 20:43 |
| vi__ | F12 works (blue+shift) | 20:43 |
| vi__ | 2nd BS does not! | 20:43 |
| vi__ | it should be blue+BS | 20:43 |
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| vi__ | however other sy,bols work. | 20:45 |
| vi__ | So if I make it: | 20:45 |
| vi__ | key <BKSP> { [ BackSpace, Escape, Escape, F12 ] }; | 20:45 |
| vi__ | it all works. | 20:45 |
| vi__ | blue+shift==escape | 20:45 |
| vi__ | so WTF does BS not work with blue????? | 20:46 |
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| vi__ | lol wot | 20:49 |
| vi__ | it is BackSpace | 20:49 |
| vi__ | BackSpace!= Backspace|backspace | 20:50 |
| vi__ | FU XKB | 20:50 |
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| Freak5 | dm8tbr: I search for something like this: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?s=b0b4d8ac3f6a6d0326e5bbba1262f05a&attachmentid=21242&stc=1&d=1310046248 | 20:56 |
| Freak5 | But the other keyboard is cool, too. | 20:56 |
| Freak5 | I haven't thought about the big solution, but it might be nice for bigger breaks. | 20:56 |
| Pali | ping DocScrutinizer | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pali: pong | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a minute | 21:11 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, I updated my work on bq2415x driver, see http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/bq2415x/ | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, as soon as I find some spare time | 21:12 |
| Pali | but it is still not complete | 21:12 |
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| Pali | code is devided into 2 two parts: bq2415x.ko (only export regulator, led, ioctl, sysfs interface + symbols) and bq2415x_charger.ko (power supply interface, where should be all other like auto watchdog, charging...) | 21:15 |
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| Pali | ping X-Fade | 21:25 |
| Pali | ~seen X-Fade | 21:28 |
| Pali | infobot is offline... | 21:30 |
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| vi__ | Pali: yo | 21:32 |
| Pali | vi__: hi | 21:32 |
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| vi__ | I am thoroughly enjoying the fruits of your work WRT kernel power. Cheers. | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pali: I have to admit I got no clue about regulator, led, ioctl | 21:51 |
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| Pali | led is exported EN_STAT register | 21:53 |
| Pali | in regulators will be exported voltage registers | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, so I'm not an expert for this kinda stuff, completely different to what I thought it should look like | 21:54 |
| Pali | and ioctl - driver export miscdevice /dev/bq2415x for raw register access via special ioctl (this is copied from bq27x00 and maybe I will remove it) | 21:54 |
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| Pali | regulator interface is in Documentation/power/regulator/regulator.txt | 21:56 |
| Pali | I think this using this interface is better then clasis sysfs | 21:56 |
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| Pali | my idea is to have mfd (or regulator) driver - which only cover register access to exported functions (or some standard linux interfaces) and driver which will use this functions/interface | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | go ahead, but why you're asking me about it? | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I have no clue about this stuff, and was rather puzzled when looking into the sources, to a degree where I thought "duh, what's that? better print it and read it while dinner" | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >> The intention is to allow systems to dynamically control regulator power output in order to save power and prolong battery life. This applies to both voltage regulators (where voltage output is controllable) and current sinks (where current limit is controllable).<< We don't exactly do "dynamic controlling" of any of that stuff, that's the whole point of bq24150 - it does the controlling for us | 22:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ideally we set defaults in source or (beter) via kernel module parameters, and never ever need to touch any of those voltage registers | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'll think about it during dinner, maybe the idea is catching on me when I'm not hungry anymore :-) | 22:35 |
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