IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-11-29

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fosstuxHi! I'm planning to reflash my n900.00:38
fosstuxWhat do I flash first? The RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin?00:39
luke-jronly the latter00:39
luke-jrno need to reflash eMMC in most cases00:40
luke-jrand doing so will destroy your personal data00:40
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fosstuxIs it reasonable to update to meego?00:40
fosstuxor mer?00:40
luke-jrMer is dead as a doorknob00:41
luke-jrMeeGo is dead too IIRC, but no idea how far it got00:41
fosstuxand meego runs well on n900?00:41
luke-jrno idea00:41
luke-jrI work on Gentoo+N90000:41
NIN101Mer is dead?00:41
luke-jrwell, no idea on the "new" Mer00:42
NIN101this is alive afaik.00:42
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njsfDocScrutinizer: SpeedEvil: all is well with my N900 gps. Thanks. It really does seem like is utterly b0rked00:44
luke-jrmy N900 keeps rebooting randomly into actdead mode00:47
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chem|stluke-jr: lol you have no clue about nothing!01:00
chem|stdo you?01:00
luke-jrchem|st: troll01:14
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DocScrutinizernjsf: yw, pleased to hear it works now01:26
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* jonwil cant find anyone who is interested in icd-wlan-priority01:27
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ds3anyone working on a package for the MetaWatch that will work on the last official Nokia image?01:30
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merlin1991jonwil: I'd like it to work like on harmattan, that I can set specific wireless networks to not be conencted to automatically01:32
jonwilwell I am not working on Harmattan01:33
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ds3guess I am the only one doing it then01:37
HyperSnypernot many people have read that in the last 10 mins, could be others...01:38
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merlin1991jonwil: you missunderstood that :D01:42
TrcxIf I had questions about the n900 would this be the right place to ask?01:42
merlin1991on maemo you can select that it either autoconnects to wlan or not01:42
jonwiloh ok01:42
merlin1991on harmattan you can select networks it will autoconnect to01:42
jonwilthat will be possible with the design I have in mind01:42
merlin1991and ones it wont01:42
NIN101Trcx: yes01:42
merlin1991that's what I'd like01:43
jonwilif you just assign a priority of 0 to the networks you dont want to autoconnect to01:43
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jonwilAlthough in the design I have in mind, if it sees a higher priority network than the one you are on, it will connect to that automatically01:43
TrcxOk, Just wanting to confirm some things:01:44
Trcx1) You can load android on it01:44
Trcx2) There is full monitor mode, and packet injection support with the build in wifi chip01:45
Trcx3) You have complete root access out of the box (no rooting/jailbreaking)01:45
TrcxAm I right?01:45
jonwilFor #3, yes01:46
jonwilfor #1, in theory yes but the android port is junk (or so I heard)01:46
luke-jrTrcx: no01:47
luke-jryou do need to root/jailbreak it, but it's pretty trivial01:47
jonwilyeah you need to install rootsh from the repos01:47
luke-jrI can't comment on monitor mode. N810 at least was missing signal strength etc in the packet data headers01:47
jonwilto be able to login as root01:47
merlin1991Trcx: 2) is a yes too01:47
TrcxIs that it? Lol, that's simple01:47
luke-jrI don't recall installing anything…01:48
luke-jrIIRC, sudo gainroot just worked01:48
merlin1991custom kernel + driver and jull monitor / packet injection01:48
jonwilhmmm ok01:48
luke-jrTrcx: for *practical* purposes, you can't load Android01:48
luke-jrTrcx: also note that Maemo is both closed source and abanonded01:48
TrcxFair enough, I would really want to run android, just more of for messing with when i need to01:48
luke-jrI don't know if anyone is working on Android anymore01:49
luke-jrAFAIK it never was able to make phone calls01:49
TrcxAnd Maemo is the os (Sorry for being a complete n00b)01:49
luke-jrMameo is the shipped N900 OS01:49
luke-jrI'm working on the Gentoo port01:49
Trcx(Just want to know what I'm getting when I drop $500 on a phone)01:49
merlin1991Trcx: get it cheaper01:50
TrcxAnd I was just ballparking it01:50
TrcxAmazon sell them new for ~$400 I think (haven't looked too much)01:50
luke-jrTrcx: N900 is not a phone.01:50
luke-jralso afaik you can't get them new anymore O.o01:51
merlin1991but yes maemo5 is the os, android is possible (google for nitroid), packet injection see:, root is a matter of installing a package or using a nokia shippped tool to enable r&d mode01:52
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TrcxThank you for the information.  From what I'm reading it seems like you can do anything with the n900.01:53
NIN101even fly to mars01:53
Trcxlol, that might be pushing it01:54
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luke-jrTrcx: not really.01:55
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ds3the n900 is the last true device that will do what you want, not what someone else wants to shove down your throat!02:04
infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
ds3using the n900 to fly to mars might work better then the various attempts so far ;)02:04
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: excelling on trolling once more?02:12
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: just factgs02:12
DocScrutinizerBS, stating maemo is closed-source is a mere lie02:12
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DocScrutinizerit contains a few closed source things02:13
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: latest rumour has it HARM runs just fine in open mode, with using a minimally patched kernel02:18
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: latest rumoar has it that you still can't legally recover from your awesome patched kernel02:19
DocScrutinizeralas - a s you can figure - it's a bit hard for community to build that kernel without sources, so we're waiting for Nokia finally publishing the GPLed kernel source02:19
merlin1991I maybe should be reading meego forums a lil mor :D02:19
* jonwil is surprised that Nokia are taking so long to get kernel source out, they seemed to be so good about GPL complience02:20
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jonwilalthough there IS
chem|stluke-jr: and you still get n900s new... (at least a few days ago lmc)02:21
jonwilexactly what kernel that is I dont know02:21
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: Maemo is at least as much closed as open. And nothing is 100% closed. Any degree of closed makes the whole closed, logically.02:22
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luke-jrchem|st: where from?02:22
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chem|stshops... they hold that many... they even sell them..02:23
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: antithesis: any degree of hackable makes the whole thing hackable02:23
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: false.02:24
chem|stjust checked at least 2 say "in stock"02:24
chem|stoh so iphone/ps3/xbox are not hackable?02:25
ds3iPhones are not useful devices.02:26
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ds3too small for doorstops, too light for a boat anchor02:27
chem|stds3: was not talking about usefulness!02:27
chem|stds3: you still may throw it at dumb trolls02:27
chem|st~iphone luke-jr02:27
ds3too light to do that02:27
ds3more effectively to throw wads of paper02:27
merlin1991ds3: trolling on a high level .P02:28
TrcxThere are several hack tools available for the iphone. Not nearly as many as the n900, but there are some of the basics.  Metasploit, SET, nbtscan, dsniff, etc02:29
TrcxIt's the platform that I'm coming from.02:29
TrcxLooking to expand a little bit, and some google found me the N900.02:30
villagerso "any degree of closed makes the whole closed, logically"... hmm... wonder if that's some new, modern kind of logic... sure would be nice if it was enough to close one of my windows while leaving the front door open, that the house would count as closed for the insurance company too, guess they're not that hip02:31
DocScrutinizervillager: hehe02:34
DocScrutinizerTrcx: when you come from iOS, you'll feel like in anarchist's paradise on N90002:36
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: unless he wants a working phone :P02:38
TrcxThat sounds awesome.  I really think that this is going to be my next phone.02:38
TrcxAnyone using it with sprint?02:38
luke-jrTrcx: N900 is not a phone. If you want a phone, N900 is probably not for you.02:38
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: then he just needs to do one thing:ignore *aou*02:38
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luke-jrTrcx: N900 can be used with only T-Mobile and Simple Mobile in the USA, and only 2G on AT&T02:39
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: no u02:39
TrcxPlease stop trolling02:39
luke-jrTrcx: ie, no Sprint, no Verizon, no anything else02:39
luke-jrTrcx: if the information you ask for is "trolling", then you're on your own02:39
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: and stop spreading publicly known facts as new that can be found on any random DSM-bands table02:40
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: I never said it was new. He asked about using it with Sprint.02:41
DocScrutinizeroh he did?02:41
TrcxIndeed I did02:41
TrcxI should be able to put any sim in there and it should work, right?02:42
luke-jrTrcx: Sprint doesn't have SIMs.02:42
luke-jrand no, there are some SIMs (very rare) that won't work in it02:42
luke-jr(AIUI, those SIMs are only in China)02:43
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DocScrutinizerwell, seems to have all the details about supported bands. Please check with your carrier, whether verizon or whatever, for info about what bands they use02:46
TrcxI know that it won't work verizon, because they us CDMA, it looks like it supports most other GSM carriers02:47
TrcxThank you for your assistance.02:48
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DocScrutinizerTrcx: also read /topic02:49
DocScrutinizereach link is worth it02:49
TrcxOops, missed seeing those when I joined, I'll be sure to read them, thanks.02:50
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luke-jrTrcx: T-Mobile, Simple Mobile, and AT&T are the only USA GSM carriers03:06
luke-jrTrcx: N900 does not have the 3G band for AT&T03:06
jonwilif no-one cares about icd-wlan-policy, I may as well not bother writing it :P03:07
TrcxSorry, my mistake.  I though sprint offer GSM, but it turns out that it is international only.03:07
luke-jrit's a shame. I wish there was more choice.03:08
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trampWas the irreco database taken down?03:33
trampThat's the infrared remote control app for the n90003:35
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SpeedEvilnjsf: great03:59
DocScrutinizertramp: no idea04:02
HyperSnypertramp > do you mean the button mapping db ?04:02
HyperSnyperit uses lirc's one i think04:02
HyperSnyperi get an odd issue with irreco can only donwload remotes/mapping, when using wifi04:02
DocScrutinizerI always thought this strict online concept without a way to intercept was a bit strange04:03
HyperSnypergprs shows no error but loads nothing04:03
trampHyperSnyper: yes04:03
DocScrutinizeralso way too much junk in that database04:04
HyperSnyperi use that link to add button mapping when i can only use gprs04:04
HyperSnyperi use wget to save it into the irreco dir04:04
trampim just checking to see if i can control a tv with the n90004:04
trampbut the irreco app doesnt seem to connect, nor can be set offline (easily)04:05
HyperSnyperyou using wifi or gprs ?04:05
trampwifi, isnt gprs strictly for gps coordinates?04:06
HyperSnypermight be a uk term04:06
merlin1991tramp: gprs is data transfer04:06
HyperSnyperi mean "mobile internet"04:06
merlin1991gps is the positioning thing04:06
trampwifi only, i cancelled my service04:07
DocScrutinizergeneral packet radio service, or sth - colloq. "Data"04:08
trampi just looked it up, it just takes longer with microB and 128M of ram04:09
infobotgprs is, like, an abbreviation that stands for "General Packet Radio Service" which is now the ever-so-popular method for accessing the Information Super Highway through a telecommunication device, preferrably a/an EGSM/GSM transceiver which is capable of this service. There is some information on how to get this service working on your iPAQ whilst establishing a connection between your Pocket PC and this EGSM/GSM transceiver, it is located at ...04:09
HyperSnyperfind the tv you want e.g >
* SpeedEvil has an ipaq somewhere.04:09
trampgo infobot04:09
HyperSnyperthen save it into > MyDocs/qtirreco/Devices04:09
infobotI'm female04:10
merlin1991I see04:10
* merlin1991 wonders what makes infobot overjoyed04:10
merlin1991prob to many botsnacks from doc :D04:11
infobotmerlin1991: thanks04:11
trampHyperSnyper: Is this documented anywhere?04:11
infobot:), DocScrutinizer04:11
HyperSnypermy mind04:11
merlin1991come on doc, get a real gf ;)04:12
trampI'll have to it down then as I don't have the TV with me04:12
DocScrutinizernly if she comes with sourcecode04:12
trampmakes it easier to find her holes04:13
HyperSnyperthats just the button mappings not the premade remote configs though tramp04:13
HyperSnypernot sure where they are downloaded from04:13
trampHyperSnyper: ok, well at least that's something04:14
HyperSnyperyou will have to add buttons and assign commands within qtirreco04:14
trampbetter than nothing.04:14
DocScrutinizerfsck qtirreco, beber worked for me04:14
trampit looks like the app initially downloaded everything automatically04:14
HyperSnyperthe ir signal is really bad04:15
luke-jrwell my GCC 4.5 kernel is working pretty good now04:15
HyperSnyperhave to point directly at it04:15
luke-jrin Maemo04:15
DocScrutinizerirreco pure though was ok'ish04:15
luke-jrbut if I boot Gentoo, it randomly reboots04:15
DocScrutinizeryep, that's mostly HW, it's over-conservative and quite messed up mechanically04:15
HyperSnyperwas there a specific function ti was designed for ?04:16
DocScrutinizernone known04:17
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: you don't have access to meego webserver, do you?04:17
DocScrutinizerI have access to a lot of webservers, but I have to deny I could get access to that one ;-D04:17
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: someone needs to get them to fix their SSL cert04:18
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trampI just read that BFS can increase the performance of the n900.04:41
infobotcfs is, like, a Cryptographic Filesystem supports secure storage at the system level through a standard Unix file system interface to encrypted files. Users associate a cryptographic key with the directories they wish to protect. Files in these directories (as well as their pathname components) are transparently encrypted & decrypted with the specified key without further intervention; cleartext is never stored on a disk or sent to a remote file server.04:43
Sazpaimon__first time starting my n900 in weeks since getting my n904:44
Sazpaimon__oh how i missed ye hwkb04:44
trampnot that cfs infobot04:44
SpeedEvilCompletely Fair Scheduler.04:45
trampI'm trying to decide whether to install kernel-bfs, or install BFS separate, or alternatively install CFS04:46
Sazpaimon__if my n9 had a remote desktop client maybe this device would still be off04:47
tramps/, or install BFS separate//04:47
infobottramp meant: I'm trying to decide whether to install kernel-bfs, or alternatively install CFS04:47
trampdoes cssu provide either of these?04:48
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luke-jrhrm, loading bq27x00_battery doesn't provide me with /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-005:10
luke-jrany ideas?05:10
ShadowJKpowerkernel or normal maemo kernel?05:12
luke-jrmy own.05:13
luke-jrfremantle +
ShadowJKfremantle kernel doesn't have the things in platform files to make bq27200 attach05:14
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luke-jri c05:16
luke-jrwhere are the power kernel modifications then? :o05:16
* luke-jr thought it was just a different config05:16
ShadowJKnah it also has the hostmode patches, some ext4 backports, overclocking patches and lots of garbage05:17
luke-jris this on garage somewhere or?05:18
ShadowJKalso the meego kernel's platform/board files has bq27200 stuff05:20
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luke-jranyone know if MMC_BLOCK_BOUNCE is safe?06:11
luke-jrI'm worried it might make for inconsistencies when I crash06:11
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robbiethe1stHey guys, I've got a windows 7 PC with a bluetooth adaptor, and I'd like to share it's internet/network connection via PAN with my N90006:22
robbiethe1stWhat's the best way to get my N900 setup so that it'll work06:23
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psycho_oreoshmm nfi, have you tried searching for how to share internet through PAN generically?06:28
robbiethe1stA little06:31
robbiethe1stI ran into some fairly arcane stuff for the N900(and definitely arcane stuff for Debian)06:32
robbiethe1stBut in the year since the topic was posted, I don't know if a better way's been added/found06:32
SpeedEvilI suspect PAN is little-used.06:33
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jonwilseems easier to just use WiFi hotspot06:34
robbiethe1stLikely, *sigh*. I'm trying to figure out a way to get internet on my phone at work, and I can't exactly plugin an access point06:34
robbiethe1stad-hoc wifi *may* work, but getting w7 to do it right is hard. Also, easily detected by anyone with a wifi device nearby.06:34
robbiethe1stBluetooth seems secure, and hidable, and most people don't mess with bluetooth on such devices, so it seems perfect06:35
psycho_oreoswhat about USB networking?06:40
robbiethe1stPossible, but kind of useless as I'd be tethered06:42
robbiethe1stIt'd be so nice to be able to simply walk around, pull up information I need on my phone without having to walk to a PC06:43
psycho_oreostrue but its both secure and  setting up shouldn't be too hard06:43
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r00t|homei wrote a one-file solution to having a bluetooth dialin server (ppp over rfcomm) on my n900, if that's any interesting06:51
r00t|homei use it for using the phone's internet connection with my notebook06:52
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robbiethe1stI don't know if that'd be useful. See, on my Debian desktop, I know I'd be able to work /something/ out. On Windows 7? Who knows.06:54
r00t|homewindows, eww...06:54
psycho_oreoswell I wouldn't know how to setup bluetooth PAN let alone doing it through windows. Though I'm sure setting up wireless networks through windows sholdn't be too hard06:54
r00t|homei am not using pan, just ppp over rfcomm (which you normally use to use a phone as a wireless modem)06:55
r00t|homethis _should_work with windows just aswell, but i have not tried06:55
robbiethe1stHonestly? It's a lot harder than it seems. Setting up ad-hoc networking is easy. Having ICS work and /not mess with your wired connection's settings/ on the other hand...06:55
psycho_oreosthen again with windows they should provide you comprehensive help, afterall you paid for the product no? :)06:57
robbiethe1stIn theory, probably06:57
robbiethe1stIn reality, meh.06:57
r00t|homei find this a neat solution for sharing the connection at least... wonder if it's been done before...
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LaoLang_coolAnyone heard of remind? A reminder app, website is at macroporous resin08:53
LaoLang_coolcolumn chromatography08:53
LaoLang_coolis at
LaoLang_coolIt doesn't have n900 port :(08:53
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jonwilYES, my custom code to log what goes on between icd2 and the icd2 wlan plugin is in place and seems to be working.12:14
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cityLightsmohammadAG: make some noise!12:18
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jonwilnow all I need is an excuse to go out somewhere and get more logs :)12:20
jonwilAha, I need bread, that can be the excuse :)12:20
cityLightsdid anyone wrote a google music app yet?12:20
jonwilwouldn't you need to know the google music network protocol to write one of those?12:21
cityLightsguess so12:22
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jonwilthis logging is telling me exactly what I wanted to know :)12:31
jonwilI think icd-wlan-policy is very much possible :)12:32
jonwilmore logs are required though :P]12:32
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psycho_oreosvi___, ping13:30
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Shapeshifteruh, how do I press Meta on the n900?13:34
Shapeshifteror for those emacs users: how would I do M-x slime without Meta?13:34
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Siceloin terminal? i believe Esc is Meta13:36
ShapeshifterSicelo: ah thanks13:37
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* jonwil loves how good his libicd-network-wlan plugin logging stuff works14:31
jonwilI am getting some good log output :)14:32
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merlin1991jonwil: how much space left on / ? ;)14:46
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jonwilthese logs are going into /home/user precisely to prevent that problem15:09
vi___psycho_oreos: ya?15:12
vi___psycho_oreos: uh pong15:12
vi___psycho_oreos: whatever?15:12
psycho_oreosvi___, lol checked the tmo lately or did any digging into bluetooth sniffing?15:12
vi___Did robbie manage sharing internet over bluetooth through BT?15:13
vi___psycho_oreos: I don't quite follow, what you on at bro?15:13
psycho_oreosdon't think so, but he hasn't responded15:13
psycho_oreosvi___, gimme a moment to dig that link up15:13
vi___I was wanting to do EXACTLY the same thing.15:13
* jonwil is looking for someone who can help him get operator-name-cbs-widget into extras (extras-devel I assume at first)15:14
vi___jonwil: what does it do?15:14
merlin1991jonwil: what do you need?15:14
vi___Will it let me replace my operator name with my current ip :p15:14
merlin1991I can write you the packaging stuff15:14
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vi___oh that one.15:15
vi___psycho_oreos: I have one of those very rare BT dongles that have the CSR-ram radio.15:15
jonwilits a replacement operator name applet that displays both the operator name and (optionally) the current tower name15:15
psycho_oreosall these N9 threads are pushing the interesting N900 and related stuff away lol15:15
vi___I know, fuck n9 and the asswipe it rode in on.15:16
jonwilif the tower is sending one15:16
merlin1991jonwil: is the original operator name applet locked by the mp-fremantle-generic-pr?15:16
vi___jonwil cooool.15:16
psycho_oreosvi___, I have the firmware for it which might work, but you'll need to know what to do with it. I might still have the bookmark somewhere15:16
jonwilyes it is15:16
vi___psycho_oreos: is this somthing form the backtrack forums?15:16
jonwilCurrently mine is using dpkg-divert to divert the original module15:17
psycho_oreosvi___, the file? no but the idea came from one of the three M's creating the backtrack foundation15:17
vi___jonwil, you are an unstoppable hack-machine.15:18
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jonwilyeah I have a habit of coming into communities and doing good things15:19
vi___My current project is to attempt to create a flashlight app that does not blow goats.15:19
vi___(like the rest of them do)15:19
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Macerthe roundcube webmail stuff on the synology is pretty niec15:20
Maceri wish the contacts page worked a little better but still15:20
jonwilok, so can someone help me package upoperator-name-cbs-widget for extras/extras-devel/whatever?15:20
psycho_oreosjonwil, merlin1991 initially pointed out his interest15:20
psycho_oreosvi___, just checked my bookmark hive.. no luck there :/15:21
psycho_oreosbut I'll still provide you files so you can find your way from there :)15:22
vi___psycho_oreos: you have my attention.15:22
vi___I do have a soft spot for filez.15:23
psycho_oreoswell that brings up to next question, gonna find a way to transfer the file somehow across. I suppose you want the original file? (windows executable but once extracted will provide dfu files)15:24
jargon-how come there are Angry Birds levels in Ovi, but no Angry Birds?15:24
jargon-where do i get AB for the n900?15:24
vi___psycho_oreos: jsut email me bro.15:25
psycho_oreosit should be from Ovi shop15:25
psycho_oreosvi___, alright will do so :)15:25
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jargon-psycho_oreos: weird. in ovi when i search "Angry Birds" it shows me only the levels, Bird Hunter, and Lady Geek TV Episode..15:29
vi___jargon-: lol, I dunno.15:29
vi___jargon-: Just steal it from teh P-Bay.15:29
vi___jargon-: maemo is no longer a supported platform.15:29
vi___jargon-: I own a sygic licence.  I have to pirate it just to get it to work.15:30
vi___Fuck 'em all.15:30
jacekowskiGet an iphone15:30
psycho_oreosangry birds is free, angry birds extra levels aren't though15:31
jargon-jacekowski: i'd rather stick my balls in a blender15:31
psycho_oreosget an iphone and become an isheep.. win!15:31
jargon-psycho_oreos: it may be free but it doesn't appear in ovi15:31
jacekowskiandroid then15:31
psycho_oreosjargon-, hmm I'll check in a second15:31
psycho_oreosvi___, permission to pm? gonna send you the password for the file (am a bit paranoid) :)15:35
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jargon-ok i think i've found the AB15:36
jargon-in ovi15:36
psycho_oreosits listed as free15:36
jacekowskiencrypt it just to be safe15:36
abyou can find me on this channel as well.15:36
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jargon-psycho_oreos: yep,that's the one i'm on15:37
psycho_oreosI think he meant AB as in Angry Birds :)15:37
psycho_oreosjargon-, there you go :)15:37
abpsycho_oreos, as usual, xchat highliting does it in caseless manner so I get notified all the time ;)15:38
abAngry Birds and Apache's ab are the two most popular highlites15:38
psycho_oreosvi___, bah! the file is 29 megs and it exceeds gmail's limit of 25 megs15:38
jargon-ab: oh, sorry about that lol15:39
psycho_oreosab, heh and hence causing unnecessary attention :D15:39
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abpsycho_oreos, I would say unnecessary distructions :)15:40
psycho_oreosab, or that15:40
abdestructions would be too much15:40
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vi___psycho_oreos: use ifile.it15:42
vi___psycho_oreos: permission granted!15:42
vi___psycho_oreos: or email it in chunks!15:44
psycho_oreosvi___, was about to do email in chunks but its such a pita :)15:44
psycho_oreosgoing through route now15:44
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vi___psycho_oreos: there is no sign-up required.  Dont be fooled.15:45
psycho_oreosvi___, yup I have used before15:46
chem|stMohammadAG: after a while I notice the modest hickups too, seems like in send and recieve or folder change (what includes a recieve)15:46
chem|stso a tinymail issue?!15:47
jonwilx-fade: ping15:47
jonwil~seen x-fade15:47
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vi___psycho_oreos: Sweet moves bro!15:50
vi___psycho_oreos: I owe yar one.15:50
psycho_oreosvi___, no worries :) wished I had that stuff on bluetooth bookmarked15:50
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psycho_oreosvi___, ping16:02
psycho_oreosvi___, was looking for some other stuff I found a offline copy of the guide on bluetooth, here is the link:
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RaeCarruthhi there, does anyone have an example /etc/passwd that i might be able to look at?17:13
merlin1991for the n900?17:13
merlin1991root password is maemo ;)17:15
RaeCarruthjust out of interest has anyone here had any luck changing the default shell to bash?17:15
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Phlogistiqueneal: I have a friend whose Khweeteur (installed from your repository) segfaults. How can he get an execution trace?17:43
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vi___RaeCarruth: lol wut?17:45
vi___RaeCarruth: apt-get install bash17:46
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RaeCarruthas the default as opposed to busybox17:46
jonwilI dont think you can use bash as the system default or as /bin/sh17:47
jonwilbecause stuff breaks17:48
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RaeCarruthjonwil, i just found that out the hard way :(17:48
RaeCarruthhow do i at least edit busybox so i don't get that annoying text everytime i start the terminal17:49
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vi___jonwil: eh? bash is in the repository.17:55
vi___just apt-get it.17:56
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vi___RaeCarruth: you would probably need to re-compile BB.17:56
vi___RaeCarruth: come now, busy box is not such a ball breaker.17:56
vi___Try linux mint, it comes with gnu fortune piped into cowsay everytime you start a shell.17:57
vi___now that rips your balls.17:57
RaeCarruthif it's based on ubuntu then it's bound to be loaded with bloat/fail17:57
vi___RaeCarruth: truth!17:58
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vi___I am pretty sure if you just install bash, set it as your shell then you will get no more BB message.17:59
* jonwil is looking for people who have a N900, regularly connect to multiple WiFi networks (especially multiple WiFi networks in the same area or that overlap each other) and can grab some logs for me18:00
RaeCarruthvi___ how do i do that?18:01
RaeCarruthbecause the info i round online is false18:01
SpeedEviljonwil: I may be going into an area with multiple networks next week - when I go to post somethign - would this be useful - not connecting to them though18:02
jonwilnope, I need people who connect to multiple networks18:02
jonwilI myself can see about 1/2 dozen networks around here right now18:03
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RaeCarruthoh, seeings as i'm here is battery patch in any way effective?18:03
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vi___RaeCarruth: holy fucking balls no18:03
RaeCarruthi thought it sounded too good to be true18:03
RaeCarruthvi___, i'll need your help over the next hour18:04
RaeCarruthi need to reinstall all the wonderful things that allow me to take advantage of this blessed piece of hardware18:04
RaeCarruthyou up for the challenge?18:04
vi___I perhaps am...18:04
vi___However I hhave a vry busy schedule18:04
RaeCarruthi need commit.18:04
vi___RaeCarruth: what country are you in?18:05
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vi___well so am I so perhaps I can help later in the evening. (same timezone).18:05
RaeCarruthi'd appreciate that18:05
vi___although you knew 'buntu blows so you are most of the way there already.18:06
vi___first of all bash isnt really that necessary.18:07
vi___You find ash to be fairly feature complete18:07
vi___Have you just done a reflash?18:07
RaeCarruthi won't bother with bash if i can't use it as default18:09
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vi___the 1st thing to do after a reflash is a re-partition18:11
vi___that is make /opt 5-8GB or so and reduce MyDocs.18:12
RaeCarruthhow big is MyDocs by default?18:12 your opinion.18:12
vi___NIN101: yes.  In my opinion.18:12
RaeCarruthok, what's next?18:12
vi___after that install Backup menu18:13
vi___after that a kernel of your choice and fapman18:13
RaeCarruthah yes18:13
RaeCarruthi had a different kernel installed18:13
RaeCarruthcan't remember which one :(18:13
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vi___RaeCarruth: doesnt matter18:15
RaeCarruthkernel-power, is there a better option?18:15
RaeCarruthok, what's next18:15
vi___Not so much better, just other.18:15
vi___but for you, probably KP18:15
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vi___That is it really.  Once you have FULLY reflashed (opt+root),  repartitioned, installed backup menu, enabled extra+dev repos, installed fapman, installed new kernel.18:17
vi___You make a backup.18:17
vi___And put it somewhere safe.18:17
vi___You can then start setting things up as you like safe in the knowledge you have a pre-made net to land on.18:18
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vi___from there I would start removing pre-installed crapware18:19
RaeCarruthyeah - i'll do that from fapman18:19
vi___cherry, amazon widget, facebook widget etc.18:19
vi___ovi bullshit.18:19
RaeCarruthdone and done and done and done18:19
RaeCarruthalso, is there an office suite other than koffice that i should consider?18:19
vi___when you have nothing left to take away.  Make another backup.18:20
vi___there is freoffice.18:20
vi___Also the abiword+gnumeric combo18:20
vi___Also openoffice through easy debian for the REALLY heavy lifting18:20
RaeCarruthsounds like bloat18:20
vi___However I would be hesitant to install yer appz till you have got a fully stripped down perfect backup to full back on so in the future you have minimum to do to recover.18:21
infobotvi___ meant: However I would be hesitant to install yer appz till you have got a fally stripped down perfect backup to full back on so in the future you have minimum to do to recover.18:21
vi___derp infobot18:22
RaeCarruthwhich repository is back up menu in?18:22
vi___not sure18:22
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vi___just enable development+extras repos and take the newest.18:22
RaeCarruthand do you know of an sftp client?18:22
Siceloiirc it's in robbie's private  server (backupmenu)18:23
vi___sftp...there will be somthing18:23
RaeCarruthmidnight commander?18:24
vi___midnight commander/wizard mounter or somthing.18:24
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Siceloand gFTP, etc18:24
RaeCarruthgftp doesn't do sftp18:24
vi___what he said18:24
vi___why the hell do you want sftp anyway?18:24
vi___SSHfs all the way18:24
RaeCarruthcos some of my pals are super paranoid and difficult18:25
Sicelobtw, backupmenu is indeedd in repos18:25
Sicelomy gFTP does sftp18:25
RaeCarruthi need to look into that18:25
RaeCarruththanks for your input Sicelo18:26
RaeCarruthyours too vi___18:26
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vi___infinite people have helped me into linux18:27
vi___just payin' it forward.18:28
Sicelobasically i learned all my linux right on this chan18:29
RaeCarruthbetter to learn it here than in #ubuntu18:30
merlin1991I've heard rtfm one time too often so I learned my linux mostly from google .D18:30
Sicelobut rtfm is useful. just yesterday i educated myself about dnsmasq though rtfm ;)18:31
merlin1991I educated myself about loads of stuff via rtfm, but sometimes you just hate the wasted time when rtfming for 1 hr just for 1 single line that is hidden somewhere in the manual18:33
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NIN101indeed :-).18:35
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RaeCarruthwhich is the preferred weather app amongst you fine gentlemen?18:36
merlin1991RaeCarruth: I believe it's hard wired into the brain, it analyses the data sent from a very sensitive input called eye18:38
RaeCarrutharen't you a comedic genius18:38
RaeCarruthdoes your eye also predict the weather days in advance?18:38
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merlin1991no for that I've got an old device, it is not accurate but at least as accurate as other ways, it's called a grandmother18:39
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merlin1991no for that I've got an old device, it is not accurate but at least as accurate as other ways, it's called a grandmother18:39
merlin1991nah I never bothered with weather apps18:40
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vi___RaeCarruth: I just have a link to the UK metoffice surface pressure map18:44
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vi___I even made a widget once18:44
vi___with queen beecon18:44
vi___It would grab the surface pressure charts for the next 72hours (about 6 pictures)18:44
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vi___and scrape the met office web page for the synopsis.18:45
vi___It would then display this as a large widget on a desktop. Click on the lower right to cycle forward by 12 hours, lower left for back by 12 hours and anywhere else to go back to +0 hours.18:46
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vi___it turns out a great browser is the ultimate app/widget.18:49
RaeCarruthopera ftw.18:49
vi___the KB shortcuts are still shit.18:50
Sicelodo they even work? i can't seem to use any one of them18:50
vi___Sicelo: i dunno, i thought 'ctrl+alt+wtf on this keyboard?18:51
vi___nae chance.18:51
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RST38hMeanwhile: "An app that provides free USB tethering between your iPhone and your laptop has somehow made its way through Apple's approval process and snuck into the App Store. Cue feeding frenzy."18:56
RST38hThese iPhone users and their weird pursuits never stop to amaze me18:56
vi___you had to pay before?18:57
RaeCarruthwouldn't surprise me18:57
luke-jrwtf is kernel-power patched on top of? :/18:57
luke-jrit's not vanilla 2.6.2818:58
MohammadAGvanilla PR1.318:58
vi___what is vanilla?18:58
vi___it is on nok kernel18:58
vi___I know what vanilla means, I wanted to know what luke thought it meant.18:58
luke-jrMohammadAG: can't be… the power patches includes the Nokia patches18:58
MohammadAGthe fuck18:59
luke-jrand the Makefile diff changes -power to .10-power18:59
luke-jrso I guess how do I get 2.6.28-power? :/19:00
* luke-jr loves how these debian dirs don't provide any clue where the origin is19:00
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vi___say I wanted to move my easy debian image.19:16
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Jef91if I want to 100% wipe everything on my n900 back to factory defaults I need to flash "RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" followed by PR 1.3 right?19:46
infobothmm... maemo-flashing is
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merlin1991Jef91: yes and DON'T reboot inbetween19:52
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RaeCarruthok guys, give me some of your favourite icon packs19:58
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Sicelostock :P20:00
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RaeCarruthi really don't like the default icon set20:05
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Jef91anyone know if simply uninstalling uboot disables it?20:13
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DocScrutinizerJef91: right20:22
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: this sequence is kinda immune against accidental intermediate reboots20:23
DocScrutinizerthat'S why it's called "foolproof"20:23
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: sequemce rootfs+eMMC is not20:24
DocScrutinizerJef91: no, uBoot is packed together wirh a kernel, so you need to isntall a new kernel to "uninstall" uBoot. Uninstaling uBoot most probably will brick your device20:25 completely removing main kernel20:26
Jef91well it all worked out20:26
Jef91back to a stock n90020:26
maybeHerekernels are overrated20:26
DocScrutinizerif that'S feasible at all20:26
Jef91now I just gotta add the SSU back in20:26
maybeHereif a device needs a kernel to operate it's a design flaw :colbert:20:26
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chem|stmaybeHere: going back to mechanical iterration machines?20:35
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Tofehej hej20:57
maybeHerebabbage best age20:57
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RaeCarruthvi___: you still there bro?20:59
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trumeeI bought a car charger ( for N900 but the bloody thing doesnt charge the phone.22:12
trumeeThe only thing i get is twl4030_usb twl4030_usb: HW_CONDITIONS 0xd0/208; link 222:12
trumeeis there any way to make it to charge N900?22:13
Siceloshort data pins22:13
trumeeSicelo: the charger isnt very accessible.22:13
trumeeIs there any charger with normal usb port which works with N900?22:14
Siceloisnt very accessible? meaning?22:14
trumeeSicelo: i cant open the charger to access the pins22:15
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jacekowskitrumee: make sure it doesn't have iphone on compatibility list22:45
jacekowskitrumee: if it does it's not standard usb charger and won't work22:46
trumeejacekowski: ah, ok. what compatibility should i look for?22:46
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jacekowskianything but iphone22:46
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Siceloi think it is iphone compatible. trumee, u can charge via ShadowJK's script with that charger. dunno how well recommended the whole thing is.. at least h-e-n users do use it to charge while on hostmode, while N900 compatible chargers of course cannot, due to the shorting of the data lines22:49
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trumeejacekowski: seems there is no other charger except for  iphone in UK!22:57
Sicelonot surprising22:58
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trumeeSicelo: i have a nice Nokia DC-10 charger but its cable is too short for my car!23:01
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jacekowskitrumee: i bought micro usb charger in carphone warehouse23:03
trumeejacekowski: does it have a female usb port?23:04
DocScrutinizerSicelo: that's not entirely true, as there are no Y-cables that run D+/- to the "power" USB plug23:04
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jacekowskitrumee: it just has cable sticking out of it23:04
jacekowskitrumee: that goes into microusb port in a phone23:05
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trumeejacekowski: i am hoping to get a charger with a usb port. Problem with a charge like yours is that cable length might be an issue.23:06
trumeejacekowski: i suppose Nokia DC-6 might be the best bet for a charger like yours23:07
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SiceloDocScrutinizer: prolly bad wording for me. that's what i meant though :)23:08
jacekowskitrumee: cable is long enough23:08
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DocScrutinizerwell, anyway Nokia chargers work nicely with Y-cable and hostmode-charging23:09
trumeejacekowski: crap DC-6 is also 550mA23:09
DocScrutinizerall chargers are supposed to work with charger script23:09
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trumeejacekowski: is yours listed here?
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trumeejacekowski: current on that one?23:14
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trumeewill this be too stiff for the usb port of N900?
SpeedEvilSeems like a bad idea23:40
trumeeis there any way to find out how current is N900 is drawing while charging?23:41
trumeeI have a no brand car charger which seems to charge N900, but i dont know at what rate.23:42
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SpeedEvilscript at bottom23:43
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SpeedEvilwith screen off, and idle, it's mostly accuarate23:44
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