IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-09-25

DocScrutinizerquite common problem with NAT00:00
corecodei thought so too00:00
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corecodebut even with a public IP it doesn't work00:00
DocScrutinizerinbound datastreams fail00:00
corecodealthough a firewall might have been in place00:01
ruskieeven public ips can have nat infront00:01
ruskiemy cellco has that infact00:01
DocScrutinizerpublic IP behind a NAT? or plain direct net access?00:01
corecodewhat does it translate then to?00:01
ruskieno clue00:01
ruskiebut that's the info I got from them00:01
ruskietheir tech people at that00:01
corecodewell, the odd thing is that it used to work00:01
corecodeand suddenly it doesn't anymore00:01
corecodeon different networks00:01
ruskiewhen I was figuring out why stuff worked on one sime but not on the other00:02
ruskieturned out they had something setup wrong on the one that was working(i.e. inbound connections worked)00:02
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corecodegmail<>gmail seems to work00:03
DocScrutinizercould you by any chance try SIP00:03
ruskielast I checked jingle worked with sip00:03
DocScrutinizernfc what jingle is and how that's related00:04
corecodesip works00:04
ruskiejingle is just used to setup the session00:04
ruskieDocScrutinizer, jingle is the stuff that is used to do voice chat on xmpp00:04
corecodejingle is the xmpp protocol i think00:04
ruskiexmpp protocol is the xmpp protocol00:04
ruskieit setups an out-of-band channel to chat00:04
DocScrutinizerfor me SIP is SIP00:05
DocScrutinizer~rfc SIP00:05
corecodeyes, SIP != jingle == xmpp voice00:05
corecodesip works without problems00:05
DocScrutinizerinfobot: ping00:05
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ruskiecorecode, voice or video or a lot of other things infact ;)00:06
DocScrutinizer~literal rfc00:06
ruskieRemoteVNC - a remote desktop application, based on libjingle, which uses Jingle for screen sharing. <-- example00:06
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DocScrutinizer~factinfo rfc00:06
infobotDocScrutinizer: there's no such factoid as rfc00:06
ruskiebut I thought the voice channels jingle setup were the same as sip sets up00:07
ruskieit's just what sets it up that's different00:07
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corecodei don't think there is STUN for jingle, works somehow differently00:08
ruskiestill uses RTP though00:08
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DocScrutinizerSIP *is* about setup, the transport is usually RTP00:08
corecodei wonder how i could debug this00:09
corecodeor rather, fix00:09
ruskieDocScrutinizer, jingle is about setup as well00:09
DocScrutinizerso jingle != SIP00:09
corecodesame job, different protocol00:09
DocScrutinizeror jingle == SIP00:09
DocScrutinizerbut never jingle *uses* sip00:09
corecodethanks, sad that you don't know00:10
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, aegis is , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or ...00:11
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infoboti heard aegis is , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
DocScrutinizerinfobot: no, aegis is <reply>aegis: , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay00:20
infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
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wmaroneI believe that should read "third party software written by vendors that hate and distrust their customers, preemptively believing them to be criminials"00:22
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DocScrutinizeryeah, now we're starting the next poker game, this time with really huge players00:28
DocScrutinizerplus I gather we won't get a Siemens 2W micro-BTS in orbit, used for a few hundered bucks, so we need to use their infra00:29
DocScrutinizerI'm just happy it's not iridium ;-P00:30
DocScrutinizerotherwise the 3 letter agencies were even more concerned about what we're doing00:30
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SpeedEvilWell - you get the handsets moderately cheap00:34
DocScrutinizersure, but you hardly can emulate a "BTS"00:34
DocScrutinizerwell, actually you can00:34
DocScrutinizeras it's almost GSM00:34
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DocScrutinizerbut then again, the position of the one real "BTS" is rather exclusive and unique00:35
DocScrutinizerand the real fun is starting on messing with that one00:36
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DocScrutinizerthuraya also has really competitive minute plans00:37
DocScrutinizerif it wasn't for the completely missing coverage indoors, it'd actually be an alternative to plain old GSM00:38
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HyperSnyperHi DocScrutinizer, my N900 should be arriving next week hopefully :D00:38
DocScrutinizernice :-)00:39
DocScrutinizerwelcome to the club :-)00:39
DocScrutinizerlemme give you an URL so you can't say nobody toldya00:40
infobotmethinks usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)00:40
DocScrutinizeremphasis on "before it breaks" here00:40
jacekowskiHyperSnyper: where did you get it?00:41
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HyperSnyperis the usb really that sketchy ?00:43
HyperSnypernot done soldering since leaving college00:43
HyperSnypern that was a fair while ago00:43
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DocScrutinizerwell, I think jacekowski and SpeedEvil both had issues with USB coming off, and they are both no hulks regarding handling hw00:45
jacekowskii'm sticking with my N800:45
jacekowskiit lasts 3 days on single charge00:45
DocScrutinizerotoh I got 2 devices here, working since 2 years and >1 year, with daily plug rounds00:45
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bindimy phone screen just went inresponsive00:46
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I dropped mine at the absolute worst angle 1.5m00:46
bindiand then i locked it, and unlocking won't bring it back on00:46
SpeedEvilWith the USB lead in00:46
jacekowskiand it seems to work faster than N90000:46
bindithe phone is still running though00:46
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: not faster, just semplir00:46
jacekowskitbh. there is nothing bad i can say about this phone00:46
DocScrutinizerbindi: what means irresponsive?00:47
bindiDocScrutinizer: i was just messing with terminal, and then touch screen didnt work anymore00:47
bindiso i locked it, and unlocked.. wouldnt come back on00:47
HyperSnyperlooked at the N8 abit jacekowski but just not really what i wanted00:47
bindii just got an email, and the led is flashing about that00:48
DocScrutinizerbindi: you had a browser window open?00:48
bindiand i'm now ssh'd in00:48
bindihmm no00:48
bindinothing but terminal00:48
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bindiholding the power button does nothing either00:48
DocScrutinizerstrange, usually this is a result of device in swaphell00:48
DocScrutinizersee what dmesg says00:48
bindinothing out of the ordinary there00:49
DocScrutinizerhmm yeah00:50
DocScrutinizerI suggest you make sure the device will come back up and even connect to wifi and start sshd without any user interaction, then reboot00:50
bindinow the screen came on00:50
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i wouldn't say simpler00:50
bindiany reason why it just started working?00:51
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: apps take less time to start00:51
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: things like that00:51
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: and there is no swap problem00:51
DocScrutinizerbindi: trackerd finished indexing?00:51
bindihow do I know? :p00:51
bindii disabled it on battery00:51
bindiuh huh what should i be looking for00:52
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: (swap) obviously :-P00:52
DocScrutinizerbindi: well, not that it works again, it's hard to do "post mortem" forensics00:53
bindishould've checked top earlier00:53
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: bindi: well, now that it works again, it's hard to do "post mortem" forensics00:53
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DocScrutinizeror simply "you should've checked top earlier" ;-)00:53
DocScrutinizermaybe you did sth on shell that caused some heavy cpu or IO load?00:55
bindiopened terminal, ls *.py, wrote ./latitude and was about to press tab and it didnt work00:55
DocScrutinizerno idea00:56
bindiI just connected it to wlan so could be mail checker00:57
DocScrutinizermaybe some ping floding or other "DoS attack" via connection to internet?00:57
bindiwe'll probably never know :[00:58
HyperSnyperis there any decent GPS Mapping software for N900 at the moment DocScrutinizer00:58
SpeedEvilHyperSnyper: What do you mean by gps mapping?00:58
DocScrutinizeror mail checker trying to find the 5 new mails on a pop3 account with 5GB of read mails00:58
HyperSnyperall reviews i read seem to have very different opinions00:58
jacekowskisygic is half decent00:58
HyperSnypergps navigatiion00:58
jacekowskisygic is half decent00:58
HyperSnyperSpeedEvil how much b/w does it use ?00:59
SpeedEvilHyperSnyper: Oh - I misread00:59
SpeedEvilIt's not a routefinder00:59
SpeedEvilIt's a map editor00:59
DocScrutinizercheck mappero and marble01:00
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AtariiI love the spam on; lets me know what sports are on01:02
psycho_oreoslittle did I know my very own thread is getting all fired up :)01:03
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ShapeshifterThe amount of spam on tmo sure is amazing.01:07
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psycho_oreosfrom football to boxing01:31
psycho_oreosI think the spammers are getting smarter now, they realise that the mods at this time is asleep (mostly because they are all US based) so they decided to spam at this time to make the most of their point01:33
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tzorvasn900 is "down" after a failed upgrade with apt-get :$ and i need a way to backup its contents before reflashing it .. i can get it into Nokia Firmware Upgrade Mode but i dont know how to mount its internal storage :/ (cant open the phone)02:45
tzorvasany idea?02:45
psycho_oreosyou don't have backup menu?02:47
psycho_oreoserr backupmenu02:47
DocScrutinizertzorvas: no way, except rescue-os on a uSD02:48
tzorvasi want back my contaaaaaaacts :'( i should find a way :$02:49
psycho_oreosyou won't lose your contacts if you flash the fiasco/combined firmware however02:49
tzorvaspsycho_oreos: hm.. ?02:51
psycho_oreostzorvas, no not flashing just the kernel, flashing the whole rootfs02:52
tzorvasif i flash the whole rootfs won't i loose my contacts that are stored inside internal storage (eMMC) ?02:53
psycho_oreosyour contacts are stored in eMMC which lives on a separate memory chip and is not part of rootfs02:54
psycho_oreosit gets mounted but it does not physically reside on the same memory chip02:54
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tzorvaspsycho_oreos: can you please point me to the right instructions set?02:58
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tzorvasso with sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R i won't flash emmc, right?03:04
psycho_oreosyou still need to provide it with an actual firmware image and it all depends on which firmware image you get03:05
psycho_oreosthe ones clearly labelled eMMC will overwrite your eMMC03:05
tzorvasis this right?03:06
tzorvasRX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin200174197PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N90003:06
psycho_oreosI guess so, yes03:06
tzorvasthere is also an option for flasher03:06
tzorvas--flash-only and i can set, nolo/kernel/initfs/rootfs03:07
psycho_oreosyou were told to flash the *entire* rootfs03:07
psycho_oreosif you want to be ignorant and do whatever you want to make it work, its up to you. I've made it clear that you *should* flash the entire *rootfs*03:08
tzorvaspsycho_oreos: it has all contacts :D03:22
tzorvasthanks for your help..03:22
ShadowJKapt-get upgrade is dangerous, good idea to make backups first :/03:23
SpeedEvilRootfs has no contacts03:23
SpeedEvilcontacts are in /home03:23
psycho_oreosand that was all previously covered03:23
tzorvasShadowJK: the best solutions was to backup, keep it and reflash it so i can update to latest CSSU firmware03:23
tzorvasthe problem was that.. i wasnt able to update in latest CSSU with OTA03:23
psycho_oreosCSSU doesn't provide firmwares03:24
tzorvasCSSU isnt updating N900? i was able to do backup but it was asking for plug it in PC and use pc suite for the update..03:26
psycho_oreosCSSU only provides updates, they do not release firmwares like nokia does03:26
HyperSnyperDocScrutinizer you about, ok to pm ?03:27
tzorvasyes but the process is pretty much the same.. backup -> update etc.. i didn't want to confuse CSSU with nokia firmware updates sorry.03:28
psycho_oreosand that's only if you used HAM (Hildon Application Manager)03:29
tzorvasany other suggestion instead of ham?03:30
psycho_oreosthe other alternatives are not for beginners03:30
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psycho_oreosin fact CSSU itself is not really recommended for the faint at heart :p without backups one could be at a detrimental loss03:36
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psycho_oreosand looks like the mods are on the tmo, cleaning out those spams03:37
tzorvasthankfully i did backup before doing apt-get dist-upgrade03:38
psycho_oreosnot when you were panicking a moment ago03:39
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tzorvaswell i will not do this again for sure and i will sacrifice 20 more minutes instead of just doing risky things and having the risk of a heart attack :$03:41
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internetishardWish I could find a headset that is clip on03:42
psycho_oreos`clip' on?03:44
internetishardyeah, like around the back of the ear so it doesn't fall out03:45
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psycho_oreoshmm wired? I'm sure there's a fair few03:46
internetishardwired would be ideal03:46
internetishardbetter security03:46
internetishardI looked for a long time, couldn't find any03:46
psycho_oreos <--- this? :D03:49
internetishardwtf, those are big ass headphones03:49
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tzorvasthis is not wired but weird for n900 headphones :P03:50
internetishardI want something with a mic for talking on the phone... a "headset" not "headphones"03:50
psycho_oreosfyi that does have mic apparently, its probably built inside the headset.. that's why its deemed as headset not headphone03:51
internetishardI need something I can ride in the car with, run around with, etc03:51
psycho_oreosand as for weird terms, its not as weird as BH-905 :p they don't cover your ear but go ontop of your ear03:51
internetishardjust not earbud03:52
internetishardyeah, that would suck03:52
internetishardbeing on top of the ear03:52
internetishardI have a nice pair of audio technica cans03:52
psycho_oreos<< sony mdr-7503 cans :)03:53
internetishardAlthough I hard a pair of a700s recently and was blown away03:53
internetishardthough, he did use an extra portable amp03:54
psycho_oreos <---- that? :D03:55
HyperSnyperSennheiser <303:55
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psycho_oreosthere's really plenty of them04:00
internetishardI can't walk around in the street looking like a telemarketer04:00
internetishardit needs to be a dangling mic04:00
internetishardall .au links04:00
internetishardI'm in 'merica04:00
psycho_oreosthe sennheiser link wasn't .au :) neither was that icidu04:01
internetishardI can't walk around looking like this:
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HyperSnypercan you get nackband mic + jack ?04:07
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HyperSnyperthen use any headphones u want04:07
internetishardsee the two connectors... It won't fit the n90004:08
psycho_oreosinternetishard, you can get adapters for those, not too hard really04:08
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psycho_oreosI don't think he wanted a bluetooth headset :)04:11
HyperSnyperleast he wont have to worry bout adapters04:11
psycho_oreosotoh it doesn't go around the ear, it looks like a standard earplugs04:11
psycho_oreosI'm sure that's besides the point04:12
psycho_oreosand if one wants to compare with bluetooth, there's this:
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psycho_oreos <-- or even these04:18
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internetishardneeds a mic04:21
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internetishardlast link04:26
psycho_oreosMicrophones Dual-Mic04:27
psycho_oreosin the specifications page04:27
internetishardoh yeah04:27
* psycho_oreos wonders if you're not looking hard enough or your simply tired and cbf'ed reading up on the specs close enough04:28
internetishardI'm looking at the wired ones04:28
psycho_oreosand the sennheiser links that I previously posted?04:28
internetishardsome look okay04:46
internetishardlooking for place to buy them04:46
internetishardseriously, 50$ for some cable and generic earpod speakers?04:47
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psycho_oreosif you're talking about sennheisers, they are like one of the audiophile's recommended manufacturers04:50
psycho_oreosits like buying a merc :p04:50
internetishardpsycho_oreos, the mic is on that dangling clip, I take it04:52
internetishardI think I'll get them04:52
internetishardI take it they'll be compatible with 3.5mm jack in the n900 even though it doesn't list the size04:52
psycho_oreosinternetishard, doesn't help when you don't provide the actual link, nor do I condone any of the products I've mentioned04:53
internetishardwhat do you condone?04:53
psycho_oreosI'm a fan of bluetooth headsets. I have tried numerous wired headsets with mixed results and now using bluetooth headsets I only have to worry about other interferences over wireless04:54
psycho_oreosplus there was a tmo thread about owners with worn N900 TRRS ports04:55
internetishardwhat were the negatives of the wired headset?04:55
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internetishardpeople wore out their n900 audio port?04:56
internetishardI'm pretty careful with mine... the main thing about bluetooth headsets is that they can be eavesdropped on pretty easily.04:56
internetishard(easily in comparison to strong crypto)04:56
psycho_oreosif you're trying to move around confined places sometimes your cables gets caught with other objects near you when moving around in confined spaces and as a result either the plug gets pulled out, your headphone gets yanked out of your ear, etc04:57
internetishardsure, yeah04:57
psycho_oreosthey can be eavesdropped when and if there's an mitm attack, you'll know when you get eavesdropped they disconnect the link between you and your headset04:57
internetishardI've read articles saying that don't agree04:58
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psycho_oreosto inject audio to, and record audio from bypassing cars that have an unconnected Bluetooth handsfree unit running.05:02
psycho_oreosso if the devices are already pre-paired, the case wouldn't really matter unless the attacker breaks the pair and inserts itself in between the two devices05:03
psycho_oreos <--- audio port problem with N90005:05
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SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: err - note the dte05:17
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, dte?05:18
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psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, for that tmo thread? yes its old but its a good starting point for reading05:19
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SpeedEvilThe headset wire breaks05:22
SpeedEvilMine has05:22
SpeedEviland done that05:22
SpeedEvilOh - I diddn't read internetishard's question.05:22
hiemanshureading Backlogs is overrated anyways05:23
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DocScrutinizerdman, that's been scary! Charging didn't work anymore, actually t900 didn't detect D+/- short from fastcharger. Reboot didn't help. Removing battery for 3 minutes didn't help. Another charger didn't help. Device refused to take significant charging current (according to charger's control LED). So I plugged it in to PC t check what's up with the D+/- lines, and there it started charging. Back to wallwart charger it was all back to normal06:20
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DocScrutinizeralready thought I lost my USB port06:21
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internetishardhow do you fix a stuck vibrator again?07:23
internetishardThis happened before with my phone, but I forgot how I fixed it (you guys recommended some methods)07:23
DocScrutinizervery sudden rotation of device along the axis of headset plug07:26
internetishardwhile it is vibrating?07:27
DocScrutinizerI thought it's not vibrating anymore07:27
internetishardwhile it is hissing trying to07:27
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe try both07:27
DocScrutinizeralso gentle but firm tapping in up&down of landscape screen plane07:28
DocScrutinizerwith your finger tips, quite firmly07:28
DocScrutinizer(don't hit the buttons though)07:29
DocScrutinizernext step: disassembling07:29
DocScrutinizeraah, and hold the device screen down while doing the "gym"07:30
DocScrutinizerthen screen upright landscape, and top down landscape07:31
internetishardwas banging on it violently07:32
internetishardstarted tapping all over the back really hard07:33
internetishardand it started vibrating again07:33
doc|homeI really thought this was a troll07:33
internetisharddbus-send --print-reply --system /com/nokia/mce/request string:'PatternIncomingCall' I just leave this on07:33
internetishardWhile I bang07:33
internetishardThanks doc|home07:33
internetishardTime to "go out"07:34
internetishardanyone live in the bay area?07:34
DocScrutinizerthe trick is to kick the debris out of the way of vibra excenter07:34
DocScrutinizerwhile ideally same time rotating the device so the excenter mass starts to rotate by mere inertia07:35
DocScrutinizeraxis of vibrator motor is along upper long side of device07:36
DocScrutinizerinternetishard: you can do preventive "cleaning" by holding device screen down and 45% tilt to show power button down, then gently knocking the backside and sliding kbd open and close 2 times while keeping the orientation. This should move small dust and debris out of the device07:44
internetishardyeah, that worked last time I think07:44
internetishardbut this time it wasn't07:44
internetishardso I started tapping in different directions07:44
internetishardvs the axis07:44
internetishardsince I have no way of knowing which way something was lodged07:44
DocScrutinizerdo this several times a week and your vibra shouldn't get stuck07:44
DocScrutinizern900 actually is a dust magnet, due the the case being wide open on the whole area between lower (kbd) half and screen half07:47
DocScrutinizers/dust magnet/trash bin/07:48
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: n900 actually is a trash bin, due the the case being wide open on the whole area between lower (kbd) half and screen half07:48
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doc|homesniff, and I'll be sad when my dines :(08:11
doc|homeer, dies08:11
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Juozapashi is it possible to change soundtrack on media player? i have a movie with 2 languages09:14
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CableTwitchI have yet another intreguing Maemo/N900 based issue, that's baffling me AND Google. I come to tap the collective knowledge of you lot.11:44
CableTwitchHow exactly could said device repeatedly, and annoyingly, turn the screen on and off, as if the device were locked and unlocked using the slider?11:46
psycho_oreoswas that meant to be a two parts question or phrased in a philosophical manner to confuse the average joe?11:49
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CableTwitchPsycho: Whatever it was meant to be, it evidently worked :O)11:57
psycho_oreoshuh.. I'm really confused11:57
CableTwitchBut yes. Device locking and unlocking the screen at random, usually in short fits. After that, it settles down again for a while. I doubt it's the screen cable, as opening and closing the screen doesn't cause the issue directly.11:58
CableTwitchI'm pondering the idea that it COULD be either the mag-switch for the screen, or the physical slider contacts. But playing with both doesn't allieviate the issue.11:59
CableTwitchSo it's left me wondering if it's a software glitch, maybe?11:59
psycho_oreosI'm guessing sometimes it could also be the settings which if one randomly taps the screen when the screen is not even on will activate the screen12:00
CableTwitchAhh, if it were simple taps, it would be good. I've placed the unit flat on a desk, and watched it switch the screen on randomly for a few minutes before.12:01
CableTwitchSometimes it's miliseconds between activations, others, seconds.12:01
psycho_oreosis this with just a stock setup? and how is this related to Google? are you running nitdroid?12:02
CableTwitchIt baffles me.12:02
CableTwitchStock setup, with a few programs installed, none of which have ever caused this behavior before.12:03
CableTwitchThe relation to google is that it was singularly useless in finding any instances of this issue online.12:03
CableTwitchAnd no, not nitdroid, plain old PR1.3 Maemo.12:04
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CableTwitchSee, I wonder if there is a possible glitch with the auto screen off part of it, that's getting confused.12:06
CableTwitchThat's the only other part of the device that can affect the screen in such a manner, without any physical input.12:06
psycho_oreospersonally I have never had this issue with the screen randomly coming on apart from initially with my spare N900 setup it used to react to finger pressing on the screen when the screen is not even active12:07
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CableTwitchI'm no linux guru. I'm barely a user. So hence why I ask the wise people in here.12:08
CableTwitchOh, powercycling seems to make precious little difference. It's done it after a few, so it's not something that's happened due to cosmic radiation randomly changing the screen lock status, or something.12:09
hiemanshumaybe its spying on it12:11
psycho_oreosheh I'm no guru either.. was this device you obtained brand new or second hand?12:11
infobothiemanshu meant: maybe yous spying on it12:11
CableTwitchThis would be my 3rd unit... it could possibly be a reconditioned one manifesting an original problem, potentially.12:12
CableTwitchIn any case, is there a way, for a completely non-technical user like my useless self, to set a log of the screen state recording, to see what could be triggering it?12:14
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psycho_oreoshmm not easily, I'm guessing dbus may have some useful information but its not for beginners, needs some fine tuning to find locate the right triggers12:17
CableTwitchIdeally, something to record the state of all 3 things that can mess with the screen (Maglock, slider, software auto-off) and show me which is responsible during the funny five minutes.12:19
CableTwitchRight, going underground now, but if people could ruminate on this, and possibly suggest ideas when I return, I'd be grateful.12:21
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vdvhi all12:33
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vdvdoes anyone know, whether fbreader supports continious scrolling?12:33
vdvi.e. it doesn't suddenly switch to the next page12:33
vdvbut scroll further to it12:34
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Venemois portraid mode HD added to CSSU yet?12:36
VenemoMohammadAG ^^12:36
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psycho_oreosyes it has12:38
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psycho_oreosgreat.. in the persuit to solve CableTwitch's issue I got my device into bootloop, time to yet again thank robbiethe1st for having backupmenu already available :)13:02
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CableTwitchI return!13:26
psycho_oreosI didn't get very far with getting to what you wanted with the logging13:27
CableTwitchNot a problem, chap. I figure it'll take a lot of sleuthing.13:28
psycho_oreosI found out which dbus signal deals with the screen but I tried tinkering with the actual program (which needless to say is part of a system process) and ended up bootlooping (semi-bricking) the device13:28
CableTwitchAwesome. Managed to fix the unit yet?13:29
psycho_oreosI was lucky to have robbiethe1st's backupmenu installed and having created a backup of my setup not long ago in fact (maybe a day old)13:30
CableTwitchA smart move indeed.13:30
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CableTwitchI should do a backup on this thing, and maybe try a reflash. If nothing else, I can ensure everything is reset.13:30
psycho_oreosanyhow the command I found was this: # dbus-monitor --system path=/com/nokia/mce/signal13:31
psycho_oreosrunning as root user seems to be a necessity as mce logs it as system rather than session log13:31
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CableTwitchBut that bricks it?13:33
CableTwitchAhh, ok.13:33
CableTwitchAnd that monitors the what, exactly?13:34
psycho_oreoshacking away /etc/events.d/mce to make it dump information into a file semi-bricked the device13:34
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CableTwitchAhh, ok.13:34
psycho_oreosit monitors mce signals, though you can see `path=/com/nokia/mce/signal', that's an extra parameter for dbus-monitor that you can specify to monitor for expressions13:35
* CableTwitch just nods and smiles13:35
psycho_oreosits kinda like grep from reading something out of dmesg really.. it only outputs relevant information out to the screen without showing you things that doesn't relate13:35
CableTwitchI did mention I was linux syntax illiterate?13:35
psycho_oreosheh not really but you can always start learning :)13:36
CableTwitchbelive me, now is really not a good time to start :O)13:36
psycho_oreosbtw backupmenu doesn't come with the device by default neither is it available in the nokia firmware images. Its only available if and when you enable extras-devel and install it13:37
CableTwitchMaybe I'll return tomorrow, and we can go over this moreso when I'm not half asleep.13:37
psycho_oreoswell, you gotta start sometime somewhere :) N900 is a linux based tablet and without learning ins and outs of linux, you may struggle getting more out of your device13:37
psycho_oreosheh I might be around still, only time will tell afterall tomorrow is Monday13:38
psycho_oreosinfobot, ping13:39
psycho_oreoss/based tablet/based device/13:39
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psycho_oreossearch and replace regexp broke lol13:40
CableTwitchI have to admit, I didn't buy the N900 because it ran linux. I got it because it was a rather nice mini-tablet/phone13:40
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psycho_oreosunfortunately the whole backend runs linux :) which is what makes it so powerful yet versatile13:41
CableTwitchYay. Device is doing it right now.13:41
CableTwitchIt's cutting out the keyboard too, so it's certainly not just the screen ribbon cable.13:41
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CableTwitchSomething is definitely causing the device to lock and unlock at random.13:41
robbiethe1stAre you doing anything high in IO?13:42
CableTwitchData connection via GPRS, xchat, nothing else.13:42
psycho_oreosCableTwitch, just out of curiousity, can you pastebin (not paste) me the output of your maemo-list-user-packages?13:44
CableTwitchIf I knew how, maybe.13:44
CableTwitchAs I said, tomorrow would be a better time to actuallymess with the device.13:44
robbiethe1stI'd suggest installing the system monitor applet; one that sits in the little tray up at the top13:44
robbiethe1stalso, first thing to install is rootsh.13:45
CableTwitchI think that's already on.13:46
CableTwitchI did something that needed it ages ago. Again, the wise wizards of ix in here talked me through it.13:46
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psycho_oreossshd is also very ideal for most of us helpers :)13:47
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robbiethe1stheh. I rarely used that13:49
robbiethe1stOn-device terminal, however...13:49
robbiethe1st(now I use sshd a lot more via sshfs... cause I broke my USB port and all)13:49
CableTwitchI try to stay away from the parts that let me do damage.13:49
CableTwitchPlus, aside from this phone, I don't use linux anywhere else.13:50
robbiethe1stSee, you've got *lots* to learn.13:50
robbiethe1stOh, and once you have flasher handy... you *can't* brick your device13:50
CableTwitchOh joy.13:50
CableTwitchI've flashed the unit before. Upgrading the software, done that.13:51
robbiethe1stOCing theoretically can, but it's rare.13:51
psycho_oreossshfs is a huge battery drain though when transferring large amounts of data13:51
CableTwitchRight, other half is here, gotta go.13:51
robbiethe1stNo worse than a NFS share I think...13:52
CableTwitchLaters all!13:52
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robbiethe1stSeriously; my machine got pretty warm when copying loads of data over NFS...13:52
vdvisn't it possible to scroll line by line with volume buttons?13:52
vdvin dorian :)13:52
robbiethe1stThey're just buttons, so a program can do whatever it wants.13:53
vdvi'm talking about dorian reader13:53
robbiethe1stI use Fbreader13:53
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vdvit scrolls couple of lines on one button press13:53
robbiethe1stI have it set to scroll per-page on tap or button press... scrolling a few lines seems... odd13:54
vdvi've used to continious line-by-line scroll of text13:55
vdvlike evince does for pdf for example13:55
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SpeedEvilline by line is very, very slow13:57
SpeedEvilI can read faste than I can push the button13:57
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paulyhello all17:27
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Pauly2i bought an n8 like 1month ago, anything interesting happen with maemo since then?17:29
hiemanshunew CSSU17:29
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Pauly2anyone getting the n917:30
Pauly2symbian on n8 is boring but i like my camera17:30
hiemanshuif they dont give me a proper release software for the N950, then yes17:31
infobothiemanshu meant: if they dont give me a proper release firmware for the N950, then yes17:31
jacekowskiPauly2: well, from my experience with it, it seems to be faster than maemo17:31
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Pauly2ya but idk i want to fix my n900 but instead im save $ up for n917:32
Pauly2is everyone supposed to move to meego irc or stay here idk?17:33
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jacekowskiit looks like n9 will be DoA17:34
Pauly2jacekowski: really17:34
SpeedEviln9 is not meego17:35
SpeedEvil(as delivered)17:35
SpeedEvilYou may be able to run meego-ce on it17:35
SpeedEvilIt's been stated in various places it will be possible.17:35
SpeedEvilBut, ...17:36
Pauly2i so confused, so i buy a netbook or tablet instead and keep my n8 lol17:36
SpeedEvilWait a few weeks.17:38
SpeedEvilThings will clear up17:38
Pauly2you all have the n950 isnt it just like n9 harmatten?17:39
SpeedEvilIt's not clear.17:39
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SpeedEvilThere are a number of differences in the firmware between the n950 image available to the community, and the released n917:40
Pauly2you like the n950 though?17:40
Pauly2i see17:40
SpeedEvilExactly what those differences are won't be clear until the n9 is actually in consumers hands.17:40
SpeedEvilI like the hardware, mostly.17:40
SpeedEvilThe main issues I have with it are the keyboard.17:41
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SpeedEvilAnd the software side - the security infrastructure is annoying enough that if configured wrong, it may not allow meego- to boot17:41
SpeedEvilAnd it also does not allow you to patch system software - at all - for bugfixes.17:42
Pauly2its basiclly just like a testing device17:42
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hiemanshuSpeedEvil: whats wrong with keyboards?17:58
SpeedEvilhiemanshu: I don't like the flat keys17:59
Pauly2theres a meego netbook out already!18:00
hiemanshumore than one18:00
Pauly2really i only seen the eee pc18:01
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merlin1991my mirror of the maemo repositories is reaching 100gb oO18:22
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vdvshould foxit reader work in easy debian?18:32
vdvthere's a linux version of it18:32
ruskienot likely since it's probably built for x86/x86-6418:36
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SpeedEvilmerlin1991: wow18:39
merlin1991I just added 50gb to the lv to be on the save side for the next few months :)18:40
merlin1991it's going to be pita to move the server content when the current contract ends18:42
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hatake_kakashimine is sitting on 136GB and that is with a fairly old mirror update18:44
MohammadAGanyone wanna help me reverse my bus station/services' website?18:45
MohammadAGI need an app to show timetables18:45
merlin1991does yours include testing? I only mirror extras, devel and cssu18:45
hatake_kakashiyeah mine includes testing, extras, devel, cssu, cssu-testing18:46
hatake_kakashithough mine has at least 15 more other repositories (belonging to other domains) added, along with various maemo versions18:47
Pauly2does anyone know how to fix the screen on n900 mines broke18:47
Pauly2repair shop wants $200?18:48
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MohammadAGZogG, ping18:48
RST38hrepair shop wants you gone18:48
MohammadAGany Israelis online?18:49
MohammadAGneed to know if the damn post office's open this Tuesday :/18:49
Pauly2any1 interested in fixing it for me?18:50
MohammadAGI would, but the screws suck and sometimes break18:51
Pauly2lcd and the digitizer broke18:51
Pauly2i dropped it18:51
MohammadAG80 bucks I guess18:51
MohammadAGweird though, my N900 fell may times18:52
Pauly2im in usa18:52
Pauly2usb fell off also18:52
RST38hToo late18:53
Pauly2too late?18:56
RST38hN900 is no longer produced and Nokia Care won't fix it for you18:56
Pauly2i know18:56
RST38hGet an iPhone.18:57
vdvjacekowski, ruskie: ok, thanks18:57
MohammadAGRST38h, tbh18:57
MohammadAGafter using the SGSII, N950 etc18:57
MohammadAGthe iPhone feels like a toy18:57
hatake_kakashiiphone is a toy :)18:58
ruskieless than a toy18:59
Pauly2anyone has unlimited 3.5g data plan?18:59
Pauly2my wife wants iPhone 5 coming out next month19:00
GAN900AT&T's grandfathered plans.19:00
RST38hMohammad: ihone feels like a toy in any case19:01
RST38hMohammad: Android makes me claustrophobic, cannot multitask19:01
Pauly2MohammadAG: can u fix usb?19:01
MohammadAGno, I wouldn't even try19:01
MohammadAGI'm no engineer19:01
GAN900Yeah, there's just nothing like Maemo. :/19:02
RST38hI can bring you a whole new N900, but it will cost you $700.19:02
MohammadAGRST38h, wait, so what's the task manager thingy on the SGSII?19:02
MohammadAGAndroid suspends tasks?19:02
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RST38hMohammad: yep19:02
Pauly2MohammadAG: i can take it to repair shop for usb, and maybe you can get screen :)19:03
RST38hMohammad: then kills them at random, as memory permits19:03
MohammadAGPauly2, might be cheaper to fix it all in the shop :P19:03
MohammadAGI live half a planet from you19:03
MohammadAGRST38h, that's... disturbing19:03
MohammadAGI thought it always ran them19:03
Pauly2android didnt have http uploads until 2.119:03
Pauly2its lame19:03
RST38hMohammadAG: Not disturbing, natural19:04
RST38hMohammadAG: The whole platform has been designed at the time of PalmOS and MIDP19:04
GAN900It makes me laugh to think there's this whole generation of people who think iOS is some sort of incredible revolution.19:04
MohammadAGI have a presentation at uni tomorrow19:04
MohammadAGthinking about talking about the evolution of mobiles and stuff19:05
RST38hGAN: That is only because Steve Jobs has told them so19:05
MohammadAGGAN900, you can't deny that iOS did get the ball rolling for some things though19:05
RST38hIn the US, it did19:05
RST38hIn Europe, people hardly noticed19:06
GAN900MohammadAG, to an extent.19:07
GAN900But the way people worship it you'd think it were better than pre-sliced bread.19:08
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GAN900When it's really pretty fundamentally crappy compared to a real OS.19:08
RST38hGAN: Don't you worry, another year or two and the bread will restore its public importance19:08
RST38h...along with other fundamentals19:09
GAN900It's gonna suck having to switch platforms.19:10
GAN900It's too bad Nokia is screwing us over so hard that riding Harmattan out for another year isn't even looking particularly viable anymore.19:11
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orfixis there any device running maemo other than the N900 ?19:15
kerioheh, i just realized that the mobile market in the US was (and still is) incredibly awful, compared to europe's19:15
kerioand that's probably why iphoneos looks so amazing to americans19:15
hatake_kakashiorfix, N800, N810, 77019:17
orfixhatake_kakashi: ok, so the N900 is the most powerfull one.19:18
hatake_kakashiorfix, obviously19:18
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hatake_kakashiwell obviously for the public domain, there's N950 but that's not publicly available and N9 which is not even out yet19:19
GAN900kerio, hey, consumers get options, they just don't care.19:25
GAN900They'd rather get the "free" phones.19:25
orfixis there any chance that the N8 could run maemo ?19:26
kerioorfix: no19:26
orfixbecause the N950 and N9 looks like running symbian too.19:27
keriono they don't :\19:27
hatake_kakashiif meego looks like symbian to you, then you need your eyes fixed19:28
kerioyeah, that's meego19:28
orfixkerio: ah ok (same icons as symbian)19:29
hatake_kakashisame/similar icons as symbian does not equate to the device running symbian19:31
hatake_kakashiyou can get mango icons for N900 but would that make your N900 be running as mango OS? no it doesn't19:32
orfixhatake_kakashi: are you upset ? =P19:34
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