IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-09-02

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DocScrutinizer:-D00:04
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: *many* thanks for this really valuable feedback and info00:05
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DocScrutinizershould be fixable without actual charger, just making N900 thing there was some00:06
Siceloyw. i'm indebted to you all. :)00:06
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DocScrutinizerthink*00:06
DocScrutinizerif you want you may test "booston; sleep 5; boostoff"00:07
DocScrutinizer*without* stopping bme00:07
DocScrutinizerworst thing that could happen: need to reboot00:07
DocScrutinizeroptimal outcome: fixes the issue00:08
Sicelook. where is the booston script on a default install of h-e-n?00:08
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DocScrutinizererrrr00:08
DocScrutinizerfind /opt -name 'boost*'00:08
Sicelo:/ i'll look at ps ...00:09
DocScrutinizerfind /usr -name 'boost*'00:09
Sicelook.. yeah :P00:09
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DocScrutinizerprobably will pop up a silly requester about ass rage and PCsuit mode00:10
* DocScrutinizer idly wnders why booston isn't in $PATH on a standard install00:11
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: what are you doing to stop those 80mA drain?00:12
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DocScrutinizerI think it's exactly the same root cause00:13
ShadowJKecho 0 > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/connec00:14
DocScrutinizer*00:14
DocScrutinizer:-)00:14
ShadowJKdoesn't work if PC Suite mode has been activated, and similar conditions00:14
DocScrutinizer:nod:00:15
DocScrutinizerUSB contoller not suspending00:15
DocScrutinizerthere are like 3 power domains on musb, all need some care to power down properly00:15
DocScrutinizercpu interface, musb core, ULPI00:16
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DocScrutinizerif all 3 are active, you prolly see 80mA drain, if only 2 or one is active yu see less00:17
DocScrutinizercosts me some tens of hours datasheet reading, to wrap my head around that heap of weirdness in musb00:18
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: looking forward t your further reporting00:19
Siceloi'll do it for sure :) within the next 24 hours, as it's bedtime for me  ;)00:21
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DocScrutinizerSicelo: I'd appreciate most if you could post to tmo h-e-n thread00:23
DocScrutinizerjust a very terse note00:23
DocScrutinizerso it won't get lost, and your contribution is properly attributed00:24
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: nice one on the camera fake reboot00:28
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DocScrutinizer:-D00:29
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DocScrutinizer"you ruined it BASTARD!!!" ;-P00:30
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blizzowIs there a log where I can see the output from login attempts on the sip client for the n900?01:13
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DocScrutinizererrr I guess no01:17
DocScrutinizerot per default01:17
DocScrutinizernot*01:17
blizzowbummer, I can't get the sip client to login to our asterisk server.01:17
DocScrutinizerwireshark should help a lot01:18
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prontohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbDXDT7Ykzg&feature=share  Virtual lap of the new Baltimore Grand Prix Circuit03:47
GeneralAntillesIndyCar is so boring.03:52
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newbie007hi, does anyone know a way to launch an image from a command line? (I'm using the Desktop Execution Widget to get quick access to a few movies and hopefully images)06:26
newbie007I was hoping for "image-viewer /home/myImage.jpg"06:28
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newbie007found it... there is ImageMagick's display, or perhaps /usr/bin/dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.image_viewer /com/nokia/image_viewer com.nokia.image_viewer.mime_open string:file:///file106:33
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newbie007youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRZ0ZUQU-3U06:50
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Macerdamnit07:13
Maceri had to order a new port and am gping to ship this n900 to a friend in cali to put it on07:14
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xkr47hi!07:55
xkr47in order to transfer everything on a n900 from one device to another, what would be good to back up except07:55
xkr47 a) all files07:56
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xkr47 b) the backups made by the device's backup software07:56
xkr47 c) list of installed packages07:56
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cehteh a) all files  ... everything is a file07:57
robbiethe1stWhich is a great benefit for scripting.08:01
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cehtehrobbiethe1st: answered to xkr4708:07
cehteh[06:55] <xkr47> in order to transfer everything on a n900 from one device to another, what would be good to back up except08:08
cehteh[06:56] <xkr47>  a) all files08:08
cehteh.. i guess the rest of his list is uninteresting by that now :(08:08
jogahow would a bare metal recovery work with the n900?08:14
joga(ie. can it be done by an end user)08:14
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dm8tbrjoga: it's called cold flashing, yes08:21
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xkr47cehteh, yeah but I'm not sure I could for example just sync all files to the new device.. and I'm not sure I can get a package list out of some debian binary files to know what to install in the new device08:52
cehtehdpkg --get-selections08:53
cehteh(and --set-selections)08:53
cehtehthe buildin backup and fapman support that too08:53
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DocScrutinizerxkr47: a backupmenu image :-D10:22
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DocScrutinizerjoga: real bare metal? out of luck you are, probably. CAL restore you must, but not having any you do10:24
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DocScrutinizerjoga: coldflash NOLO (if that's reall baer metal, otherwise not needed), then flash rootfs and eMMC, then install backupmenu, then restore backupmenu images10:25
DocScrutinizers/reall baer/realy bare/10:26
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: joga: coldflash NOLO (if that's realy bare metal, otherwise not needed), then flash rootfs and eMMC, then install backupmenu, then restore backupmenu images10:26
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jogaDocScrutinizer, sounds like a hurdle :)10:34
xkr47DocScrutinizer, what? :)10:35
xkr47cehteh, thx10:35
xkr47cehteh, fapman ?10:35
xkr47ah ok10:35
xkr47some 3rd party10:35
DocScrutinizercheck out backupmenu10:35
DocScrutinizeronly way to do proper "disk images"10:35
DocScrutinizerfunny enough this is the answer to both of you, xkr47 and joga10:36
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xkr47hehe10:37
DocScrutinizerand you *might* wnat to search for a tmo thread "what is CAL"10:37
DocScrutinizerin short: the "config" partition on NAND that can't get backed up on N900 (unless robbiethe1st and me come up with a nifty solution a bit later) and rumour has it you're busted when you nuke it... So no "bare metal recovery"10:39
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DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: check out nandread/nandwrite also, maybe they are even nicer than mtd_debug10:40
DocScrutinizercome with mtd-tools pkg I guess10:40
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robbiethe1stDo note I'm not using either10:44
robbiethe1stBut yea, nandwrite'd be what I'd use for flashable images if I put them10:45
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RST38hhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20100779-64/meego-os-fading-fast-intel-says-its-still-committed/11:50
fluxare there any meego products out yet, btw?11:50
jacekowskino11:53
jacekowskiand there won't be any11:53
fluxso n9 won't count?11:53
jacekowskin9 has harmattan11:54
jacekowskinot meego11:54
keriowait, is the n9 going to be out *somewhere* at least?11:54
jacekowskidunno11:55
nid0ofc11:55
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crashanddiehttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20100779-64/meego-os-fading-fast-intel-says-its-still-committed/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-2012:16
RST38hYea yea12:16
chem|stflux: some "pad" is on it's way... but that's about it12:16
RST38hNot news though12:16
meceWeTab is a meego product.12:23
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RST38hDoes it use Meego UX?12:24
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meceRST38h, no12:25
mecebut meego-core12:26
meceisn't meego-ux just a reference ux?12:26
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khertanMorning12:49
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DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: for doing backups of CAL you'd want to use nandread/nandwrite nevertheless13:48
DocScrutinizeras well as for kernel backups13:49
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DocScrutinizerwould augment backupmenu to a *complete* backup tool13:49
DocScrutinizerthat's really capable to completely restore a device from a backup (and only from that backup)13:50
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DocScrutinizerwhile now you're screwed if you want to rollback to previous kernel version and you don't have a install package for that old kernel13:52
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DocScrutinizereven more same rationale applies to CAL that's not backup'able at all right now13:52
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DocScrutinizererr not restorable13:53
jacekowskiphoenix has cal editor13:54
DocScrutinizeryeah, but that requires a) closed non-available software, b) a PC, c) a dongle (usually)13:55
DocScrutinizerwhile nandread&nandwrite could do a backup and restore of CAL *on device*13:55
DocScrutinizerit'd be a worthwhile project to RE the protocol between phoenix and NOLO though13:56
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DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: btw console only gave me a black unresponsive screen in backupmenu13:58
DocScrutinizerdunno, the main menu worked nice, so nfc why console doesn'T work on stock kernel13:58
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DocScrutinizeranother funny effect is when screen backlight goes from rather dim to full brightness when connecting charger13:59
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DocScrutinizerI know there's a charging script, but never knew it's "messing" with screen brightness14:00
RST38hMeanwhile: Ohio man cuffed for shagging inflatable pool raft14:02
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* RST38h was suspicious about Ohio since he heard two American girls on the metro chatting about how they escaped Ohio for Moscow to work in some weird Christian non-profit14:03
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kerioRST38h: lol14:05
`0660:)14:05
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robbiethe1stDocScrutinizer, Yes. No kernel FB module = no terminal(well, it's there but invisible, apparently). And dim -> bright, yea. it's a feature; that way you know it's charging(or not)14:47
robbiethe1stdim is because people want to save power, but on charger, it should be bright(what's the harm?)14:47
DocScrutinizer:-D14:47
khertanwhat a Kernel FaceBook module ?14:49
khertan:)14:49
RST38hKernel AdSense module, rather14:51
RST38hwith its own tcp/ip stack14:51
psycho_oreosframebuffer14:53
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eichiis there a sms sending problem with the latest power-kernel?15:08
eichiOr is my sql database only to full15:08
eichiare there some problems known?15:08
psycho_oreossms sending with pk48 wfm15:10
kevin_bHey guys, is there any hack15:11
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kevin_bfor disabling that mmc magnet watcher?15:11
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DocScrutinizerpatch ke-recv, or patch kernel15:14
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RST38hMeanwhile: Baidu has forked Android, launching a mobile OS at its annual shindig which also saw the Chinese search outfit slotting web apps into its home page to go with its Chrome-alike browser.16:13
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RST38hMeanwhile: Samsung CEO Choi Gee Sung told a group of reporters at IFA that the company would "never" pursue a webOS deal, and bemoaned the trend of "acquiring an operating system."17:25
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kevin_bHow can I find in which package icd/osso-ic-dbus.h  is?18:39
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ruskiedpkg --help18:42
kevin_bthanks18:42
kevin_bfor the pointer ;)18:42
ruskieI think it might be -S18:42
ruskiebut not sure18:43
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kevin_bu right ;)18:43
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kevin_bthough dpkg cannot find it18:45
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kevin_banyone heard of a <icd/osso-ic-dbus.h>18:45
ruskiethat's probably in a -dev pkg18:45
ruskienot on the device18:45
kevin_bso why dpkg -S cannot find it18:46
ruskieiirc it only looks through installed pkgs18:47
ruskiemaybe check apt-cache or something18:47
psycho_oreosand the device wouldn't provide sources normally :p18:47
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kevin_bhoo, I see apt-cache is what I need18:48
kevin_bsdk image on device :)18:48
kevin_bI need a hand-warmer for next winter18:49
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kevin_bThanks a lot18:50
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Shapeshifterwell this is odd. lost my pen19:01
Shapeshifteri wonder where it's at19:01
Shapeshifterpsycho_oreos: you pinged me like 1 week ago?19:03
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psycho_oreosShapeshifter, yeah I did, though I used a workaround instead.. now that leaves a suggestion for alarmed19:05
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* timeless kicks the n900 Address Book 21:49
timelessit's giving me "Can't perform operation. Internal error" when i try to update a contact21:50
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timelesswow22:49
timelesspeople still touch maemo bugzilla?22:49
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ruskiehehe22:50
* timeless sighs22:51
timeless"New contact" is hanging22:51
timelessand i can't make a phone call, because the phone app is what triggered the "new contact"22:51
timelessthis is an example of how using libraries instead of out of process api calls results in really crappy end user behavior22:51
timeless-- why should my phone be stuck just because some crappy library can't manage its address book correctly? --22:52
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lcuktimeless, amusingly, qgil made some meego bugs there22:55
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ShadowJKtimeless, if everything is eventually hanging, you might have stumbled upon the all-IO-hangs kernel bug23:31
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timelessham is stuck too..23:31
timelesstop claims that ham is using cpu time23:32
ShadowJKkernel isn't doing anything with emmc anymore, everything that accesses it, either to swapin/swapout, or page in parts of theme,locale,icons, or indeed an executable (or repo data as is the case with ham) will hang23:32
timelessand rtcom-call-ui appears a bit23:32
ShadowJKoh, I guess IO is still working if you were able to launch xterm :-)23:33
timelesswell, i had an xterm already23:33
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timelessnot sure of your definition of "launch"23:33
timelessand i dunno if top is part of busybox and thus not actually a "launch" either23:34
ShadowJKsomething funny happened to me today. HAM was saying "One or more catalogs failed to update", I tapped away that, and then it tried to update again. Repeat indefinitely :-)23:34
ShadowJKit's busybox and stored on nand23:34
timelessi've hit that23:34
ShadowJKsome mozilla repo I had for fennec 404d23:34
timelessyeah23:34
ShadowJK"ps aux | grep D", if there's stuff repeatedly stuck with "D" in the "STAT" column you're basically fucked and need a reboot to recover23:36
ShadowJKham probably doesn't count23:36
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ShadowJKor anything that actually uses cpu in top23:38
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: Or a strategic kill23:40
timeless[mmcqd]23:43
timeless[pdflush]23:43
timelesslzop23:43
timelessapt-worker23:43
* timeless wonders what lzop was trying to do23:43
nox-maybe its just swapping too much?23:43
timelesssure, but what's it for?23:44
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ShadowJKthere's an lzop compression program23:46
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, doesn't work23:46
timelessyeah, you can't kill things stuck in kernel land23:46
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ShadowJKif ham/apt-worker is still showing CPU time it's not stuck23:49
ShadowJKcontacts probably goes crazy if diskspace is low, too23:49
timeless~40mb avail on rootfs23:50
SpeedEvilShadowJK: Oh - I missed that bit.23:50
timeless>1000mb on /home23:50
timeless>26gb on MyDocs23:50
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