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| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: *many* thanks for this really valuable feedback and info | 00:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer grabs a postit and makes notice about looking into it | 00:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer | should be fixable without actual charger, just making N900 thing there was some | 00:06 |
| Sicelo | yw. i'm indebted to you all. :) | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | think* | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you want you may test "booston; sleep 5; boostoff" | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | *without* stopping bme | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | worst thing that could happen: need to reboot | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | optimal outcome: fixes the issue | 00:08 |
| Sicelo | ok. where is the booston script on a default install of h-e-n? | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errrr | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | find /opt -name 'boost*' | 00:08 |
| Sicelo | :/ i'll look at ps ... | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | find /usr -name 'boost*' | 00:09 |
| Sicelo | ok.. yeah :P | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably will pop up a silly requester about ass rage and PCsuit mode | 00:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wnders why booston isn't in $PATH on a standard install | 00:11 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: what are you doing to stop those 80mA drain? | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think it's exactly the same root cause | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/connec | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | * | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | doesn't work if PC Suite mode has been activated, and similar conditions | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | USB contoller not suspending | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are like 3 power domains on musb, all need some care to power down properly | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | cpu interface, musb core, ULPI | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if all 3 are active, you prolly see 80mA drain, if only 2 or one is active yu see less | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | costs me some tens of hours datasheet reading, to wrap my head around that heap of weirdness in musb | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: looking forward t your further reporting | 00:19 |
| Sicelo | i'll do it for sure :) within the next 24 hours, as it's bedtime for me ;) | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: I'd appreciate most if you could post to tmo h-e-n thread | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a very terse note | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it won't get lost, and your contribution is properly attributed | 00:24 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: nice one on the camera fake reboot | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "you ruined it BASTARD!!!" ;-P | 00:30 |
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| blizzow | Is there a log where I can see the output from login attempts on the sip client for the n900? | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr I guess no | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ot per default | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | not* | 01:17 |
| blizzow | bummer, I can't get the sip client to login to our asterisk server. | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | wireshark should help a lot | 01:18 |
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| pronto | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbDXDT7Ykzg&feature=share Virtual lap of the new Baltimore Grand Prix Circuit | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | IndyCar is so boring. | 03:52 |
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| newbie007 | hi, does anyone know a way to launch an image from a command line? (I'm using the Desktop Execution Widget to get quick access to a few movies and hopefully images) | 06:26 |
| newbie007 | I was hoping for "image-viewer /home/myImage.jpg" | 06:28 |
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| newbie007 | found it... there is ImageMagick's display, or perhaps /usr/bin/dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.image_viewer /com/nokia/image_viewer com.nokia.image_viewer.mime_open string:file:///file1 | 06:33 |
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| newbie007 | youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRZ0ZUQU-3U | 06:50 |
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| Macer | damnit | 07:13 |
| Macer | i had to order a new port and am gping to ship this n900 to a friend in cali to put it on | 07:14 |
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| xkr47 | hi! | 07:55 |
| xkr47 | in order to transfer everything on a n900 from one device to another, what would be good to back up except | 07:55 |
| xkr47 | a) all files | 07:56 |
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| xkr47 | b) the backups made by the device's backup software | 07:56 |
| xkr47 | c) list of installed packages | 07:56 |
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| cehteh | a) all files ... everything is a file | 07:57 |
| robbiethe1st | Which is a great benefit for scripting. | 08:01 |
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| cehteh | robbiethe1st: answered to xkr47 | 08:07 |
| cehteh | [06:55] <xkr47> in order to transfer everything on a n900 from one device to another, what would be good to back up except | 08:08 |
| cehteh | [06:56] <xkr47> a) all files | 08:08 |
| cehteh | .. i guess the rest of his list is uninteresting by that now :( | 08:08 |
| joga | how would a bare metal recovery work with the n900? | 08:14 |
| joga | (ie. can it be done by an end user) | 08:14 |
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| dm8tbr | joga: it's called cold flashing, yes | 08:21 |
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| xkr47 | cehteh, yeah but I'm not sure I could for example just sync all files to the new device.. and I'm not sure I can get a package list out of some debian binary files to know what to install in the new device | 08:52 |
| cehteh | dpkg --get-selections | 08:53 |
| cehteh | (and --set-selections) | 08:53 |
| cehteh | the buildin backup and fapman support that too | 08:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | xkr47: a backupmenu image :-D | 10:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | joga: real bare metal? out of luck you are, probably. CAL restore you must, but not having any you do | 10:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | joga: coldflash NOLO (if that's reall baer metal, otherwise not needed), then flash rootfs and eMMC, then install backupmenu, then restore backupmenu images | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/reall baer/realy bare/ | 10:26 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: joga: coldflash NOLO (if that's realy bare metal, otherwise not needed), then flash rootfs and eMMC, then install backupmenu, then restore backupmenu images | 10:26 |
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| joga | DocScrutinizer, sounds like a hurdle :) | 10:34 |
| xkr47 | DocScrutinizer, what? :) | 10:35 |
| xkr47 | cehteh, thx | 10:35 |
| xkr47 | cehteh, fapman ? | 10:35 |
| xkr47 | ah ok | 10:35 |
| xkr47 | some 3rd party | 10:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | check out backupmenu | 10:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | only way to do proper "disk images" | 10:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny enough this is the answer to both of you, xkr47 and joga | 10:36 |
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| xkr47 | hehe | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you *might* wnat to search for a tmo thread "what is CAL" | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | in short: the "config" partition on NAND that can't get backed up on N900 (unless robbiethe1st and me come up with a nifty solution a bit later) and rumour has it you're busted when you nuke it... So no "bare metal recovery" | 10:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: check out nandread/nandwrite also, maybe they are even nicer than mtd_debug | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | come with mtd-tools pkg I guess | 10:40 |
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| robbiethe1st | Do note I'm not using either | 10:44 |
| robbiethe1st | But yea, nandwrite'd be what I'd use for flashable images if I put them | 10:45 |
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| RST38h | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20100779-64/meego-os-fading-fast-intel-says-its-still-committed/ | 11:50 |
| flux | are there any meego products out yet, btw? | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | no | 11:53 |
| jacekowski | and there won't be any | 11:53 |
| flux | so n9 won't count? | 11:53 |
| jacekowski | n9 has harmattan | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | not meego | 11:54 |
| kerio | wait, is the n9 going to be out *somewhere* at least? | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | dunno | 11:55 |
| nid0 | ofc | 11:55 |
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| crashanddie | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20100779-64/meego-os-fading-fast-intel-says-its-still-committed/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | 12:16 |
| RST38h | Yea yea | 12:16 |
| chem|st | flux: some "pad" is on it's way... but that's about it | 12:16 |
| RST38h | Not news though | 12:16 |
| mece | WeTab is a meego product. | 12:23 |
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| RST38h | Does it use Meego UX? | 12:24 |
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| mece | RST38h, no | 12:25 |
| mece | but meego-core | 12:26 |
| mece | isn't meego-ux just a reference ux? | 12:26 |
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| khertan | Morning | 12:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: for doing backups of CAL you'd want to use nandread/nandwrite nevertheless | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | as well as for kernel backups | 13:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | would augment backupmenu to a *complete* backup tool | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's really capable to completely restore a device from a backup (and only from that backup) | 13:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while now you're screwed if you want to rollback to previous kernel version and you don't have a install package for that old kernel | 13:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even more same rationale applies to CAL that's not backup'able at all right now | 13:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err not restorable | 13:53 |
| jacekowski | phoenix has cal editor | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but that requires a) closed non-available software, b) a PC, c) a dongle (usually) | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | while nandread&nandwrite could do a backup and restore of CAL *on device* | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | it'd be a worthwhile project to RE the protocol between phoenix and NOLO though | 13:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: btw console only gave me a black unresponsive screen in backupmenu | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, the main menu worked nice, so nfc why console doesn'T work on stock kernel | 13:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | another funny effect is when screen backlight goes from rather dim to full brightness when connecting charger | 13:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I know there's a charging script, but never knew it's "messing" with screen brightness | 14:00 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Ohio man cuffed for shagging inflatable pool raft | 14:02 |
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| * RST38h was suspicious about Ohio since he heard two American girls on the metro chatting about how they escaped Ohio for Moscow to work in some weird Christian non-profit | 14:03 | |
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| kerio | RST38h: lol | 14:05 |
| `0660 | :) | 14:05 |
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| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer, Yes. No kernel FB module = no terminal(well, it's there but invisible, apparently). And dim -> bright, yea. it's a feature; that way you know it's charging(or not) | 14:47 |
| robbiethe1st | dim is because people want to save power, but on charger, it should be bright(what's the harm?) | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 14:47 |
| khertan | what a Kernel FaceBook module ? | 14:49 |
| khertan | :) | 14:49 |
| RST38h | Kernel AdSense module, rather | 14:51 |
| RST38h | with its own tcp/ip stack | 14:51 |
| psycho_oreos | framebuffer | 14:53 |
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| eichi | is there a sms sending problem with the latest power-kernel? | 15:08 |
| eichi | Or is my sql database only to full | 15:08 |
| eichi | are there some problems known? | 15:08 |
| psycho_oreos | sms sending with pk48 wfm | 15:10 |
| kevin_b | Hey guys, is there any hack | 15:11 |
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| kevin_b | for disabling that mmc magnet watcher? | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | patch ke-recv, or patch kernel | 15:14 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: Baidu has forked Android, launching a mobile OS at its annual shindig which also saw the Chinese search outfit slotting web apps into its home page to go with its Chrome-alike browser. | 16:13 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: Samsung CEO Choi Gee Sung told a group of reporters at IFA that the company would "never" pursue a webOS deal, and bemoaned the trend of "acquiring an operating system." | 17:25 |
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| kevin_b | How can I find in which package icd/osso-ic-dbus.h is? | 18:39 |
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| ruskie | dpkg --help | 18:42 |
| kevin_b | thanks | 18:42 |
| kevin_b | for the pointer ;) | 18:42 |
| ruskie | I think it might be -S | 18:42 |
| ruskie | but not sure | 18:43 |
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| kevin_b | u right ;) | 18:43 |
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| kevin_b | though dpkg cannot find it | 18:45 |
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| kevin_b | anyone heard of a <icd/osso-ic-dbus.h> | 18:45 |
| ruskie | that's probably in a -dev pkg | 18:45 |
| ruskie | not on the device | 18:45 |
| kevin_b | so why dpkg -S cannot find it | 18:46 |
| ruskie | iirc it only looks through installed pkgs | 18:47 |
| ruskie | maybe check apt-cache or something | 18:47 |
| psycho_oreos | and the device wouldn't provide sources normally :p | 18:47 |
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| kevin_b | hoo, I see apt-cache is what I need | 18:48 |
| kevin_b | sdk image on device :) | 18:48 |
| kevin_b | I need a hand-warmer for next winter | 18:49 |
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| kevin_b | Thanks a lot | 18:50 |
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| Shapeshifter | well this is odd. lost my pen | 19:01 |
| Shapeshifter | i wonder where it's at | 19:01 |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: you pinged me like 1 week ago? | 19:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, yeah I did, though I　used a workaround instead.. now that leaves a suggestion for alarmed | 19:05 |
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| * timeless kicks the n900 Address Book | 21:49 | |
| timeless | it's giving me "Can't perform operation. Internal error" when i try to update a contact | 21:50 |
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| timeless | wow | 22:49 |
| timeless | people still touch maemo bugzilla? | 22:49 |
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| ruskie | hehe | 22:50 |
| * timeless sighs | 22:51 | |
| timeless | "New contact" is hanging | 22:51 |
| timeless | and i can't make a phone call, because the phone app is what triggered the "new contact" | 22:51 |
| timeless | this is an example of how using libraries instead of out of process api calls results in really crappy end user behavior | 22:51 |
| timeless | -- why should my phone be stuck just because some crappy library can't manage its address book correctly? -- | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | timeless, amusingly, qgil made some meego bugs there | 22:55 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless, if everything is eventually hanging, you might have stumbled upon the all-IO-hangs kernel bug | 23:31 |
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| timeless | ham is stuck too.. | 23:31 |
| timeless | top claims that ham is using cpu time | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | kernel isn't doing anything with emmc anymore, everything that accesses it, either to swapin/swapout, or page in parts of theme,locale,icons, or indeed an executable (or repo data as is the case with ham) will hang | 23:32 |
| timeless | and rtcom-call-ui appears a bit | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | oh, I guess IO is still working if you were able to launch xterm :-) | 23:33 |
| timeless | well, i had an xterm already | 23:33 |
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| timeless | not sure of your definition of "launch" | 23:33 |
| timeless | and i dunno if top is part of busybox and thus not actually a "launch" either | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | something funny happened to me today. HAM was saying "One or more catalogs failed to update", I tapped away that, and then it tried to update again. Repeat indefinitely :-) | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | it's busybox and stored on nand | 23:34 |
| timeless | i've hit that | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | some mozilla repo I had for fennec 404d | 23:34 |
| timeless | yeah | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | "ps aux | grep D", if there's stuff repeatedly stuck with "D" in the "STAT" column you're basically fucked and need a reboot to recover | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | ham probably doesn't count | 23:36 |
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| ShadowJK | or anything that actually uses cpu in top | 23:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Or a strategic kill | 23:40 |
| timeless | [mmcqd] | 23:43 |
| timeless | [pdflush] | 23:43 |
| timeless | lzop | 23:43 |
| timeless | apt-worker | 23:43 |
| * timeless wonders what lzop was trying to do | 23:43 | |
| nox- | maybe its just swapping too much? | 23:43 |
| timeless | sure, but what's it for? | 23:44 |
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| ShadowJK | there's an lzop compression program | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, doesn't work | 23:46 |
| timeless | yeah, you can't kill things stuck in kernel land | 23:46 |
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| ShadowJK | if ham/apt-worker is still showing CPU time it's not stuck | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | contacts probably goes crazy if diskspace is low, too | 23:49 |
| timeless | ~40mb avail on rootfs | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Oh - I missed that bit. | 23:50 |
| timeless | >1000mb on /home | 23:50 |
| timeless | >26gb on MyDocs | 23:50 |
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