IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2011-07-07

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timeless	trumee: some of those are false dichotomy	00:02
timeless	the Maemo line has generally had Skype	00:02
timeless	but historically it wasn't sold through operators	00:02
timeless	i presume the n9 has Skype	00:02
timeless	if an operator really wants to boycott skype, it would boycott the n9 too	00:03
trumee	timeless: nod	00:03
timeless	also, it's unclear that operators matter much	00:03
timeless	beyond forcing a company that makes mobile phones to waste money to bend to its whims	00:03
trumee	timeless: i like that Three in the UK have skype as a standard feature on their handsets	00:03
pauly_	updated!	00:03
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timeless	wow	00:03
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timeless	also, it's not like the n9 is available for sale today	00:04
timeless	is there a current estimate?	00:04
timeless	because Q#5 suggests N.WP7 would be Dec	00:04
trumee	timeless: rumour of Nov release iirc	00:04
timeless	if n9 has the same general arrival date, then Q#5 is silly	00:05
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timeless	and a one month variation hardly matters from the perspective of the question	00:05
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timeless	Q#6 ignores the fact that you're probably paying negative money on your initial phones	00:06
timeless	as it sounds like MS provided a rather large initial subsidy to N	00:06
holmesII	one question. is hildon for widget use? i found one source code which doesn't need hildon	00:06
piggz	intersting, on the launchpad application page i now get...You are already a member of this program, there is no need to re-apply.	00:07
timeless	trumee: and pointing to the n8... gah, did you see my fb gallery? :)	00:07
trumee	timeless: link?	00:08
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hiemanshu	piggz: which means your launchpad was accepted	00:11
timeless	sadly facebook is a walled garden	00:11
piggz	hiemanshu: yes, i figured :)	00:11
trumee	timeless: my dream device is N9 hardware + hwk +fmtx	00:12
pauly_	n8 :)	00:12
hiemanshu	piggz: now, stand in the queue :D	00:12
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hiemanshu	no devices yet though :(	00:12
jacekowski	trumee: where you got information that N9 has no fmtx?	00:12
jacekowski	where did you get*	00:12
trumee	jacekowski: read somewhere that there is no antenna for fmtx	00:12
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trumee	jacekowski: on the meego forums i think	00:13
jacekowski	nobody has N9 yet	00:13
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jacekowski	so i wouldn't be so sure about that	00:13
timeless	how often do you need / use fmtx?	00:13
timeless	keep in mind that i've never owned a Car	00:13
jacekowski	trumee: every day	00:13
trumee	timeless: everyday	00:13
timeless	trumee: for?	00:13
jacekowski	trumee: hands free in a car	00:13
trumee	timeless: driving to work, and listening to my internet radio	00:13
jacekowski	trumee: using my stero	00:14
timeless	how old is your car?	00:14
jacekowski	trumee: listening to music	00:14
jacekowski	timeless: old	00:14
timeless	does it have a casette player?	00:14
* timeless presumes it doesn't have bluetooth		00:14
jacekowski	no	00:14
jacekowski	it's just pure radio	00:14
timeless	how old? :)	00:14
jacekowski	12 years	00:14
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jacekowski	and these cassette adapters don't really work well	00:15
hiemanshu	so the play you are at has sad radio stations no one wants to listen to? :P	00:15
timeless	hrm, new enough that you chose to skip the casette player because it was going out of style?	00:15
hiemanshu	s/play/place/	00:15
infobot	hiemanshu meant: so the place you are at has sad radio stations no one wants to listen to? :P	00:15
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trumee	timeless: i do use casette adaptor too.	00:15
hiemanshu	most cars these days have bluetoorh/USB	00:15
jacekowski	timeless: as far as i know cassette player was an extra you had to pay for	00:15
* timeless nods		00:15
jacekowski	hiemanshu: and bluetooth A2DP quality sucks	00:16
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hiemanshu	jacekowski: not really no	00:16
jacekowski	yes it does	00:16
hiemanshu	I use bluetooth headsets for my music all day long	00:16
hiemanshu	using em now	00:16
jacekowski	then you have low requirements	00:16
hiemanshu	hah, ok	00:17
jacekowski	a2dp has bitrate that is half of CD bitrate	00:17
hiemanshu	are we all still in 2002?	00:17
jacekowski	no	00:18
* timeless wonders when China Mobile joined MeeGo		00:18
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wazd	a2dp is 100% for music	00:18
wazd	fine*	00:18
jacekowski	no it's not	00:18
wazd	yep it is	00:18
jacekowski	it has less than half of CD bitrate	00:18
wazd	so?	00:18
wazd	You hear bitrate or what?	00:19
jacekowski	yes	00:19
hiemanshu	lol	00:19
wazd	no, you hear music	00:19
jacekowski	because sample rate depends directly on bitrate	00:19
hiemanshu	really, bitrate makes no sense	00:19
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wazd	An I can bet you can't tell the difference between CD and mp3 on the street	00:20
wazd	or while running	00:20
jacekowski	wazd: depends on bitrate	00:20
wazd	or biking	00:20
wazd	you just can't	00:20
jacekowski	wazd: if it's 192kbps mp3 then i can't	00:20
wazd	I'm not talking about 64kbps	00:20
hiemanshu	jacekowski: ok, what is the CD bitrate?	00:20
wazd	sure	00:20
jacekowski	wazd: but on 96kbps you can tell the difference	00:20
jacekowski	hiemanshu: 150kB/s	00:20
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mancha	hi. when you flash just the initfs with flasher-3.5 you lose the sw-version info, i.e. control-panel -> product info. how to fix this?	00:21
hiemanshu	jacekowski: hmmm, there is 150 at all, CDs are 160, older ones at 96	00:21
jacekowski	A2DP has 345kb/s	00:21
jacekowski	hiemanshu: BS	00:21
jacekowski	hiemanshu: all CDs are 150kB/s	00:21
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hiemanshu	jacekowski: are you sure?	00:22
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SpeedEvil	They are.	00:22
jacekowski	yes	00:22
SpeedEvil	_all_ audio CDs are 16 bit 44.1KHz	00:22
SpeedEvil	Some are mono though	00:22
SpeedEvil	Very few though	00:22
jacekowski	hiemanshu: that was first standard that came out for CDs	00:22
jacekowski	hiemanshu: called Red Book	00:22
jacekowski	hiemanshu: and there was no CDs before that	00:23
wazd	Seriously, you're able to notice deleted frequencies thru the street noise? :)	00:23
wazd	You should write symphonies then, what the hell are you doing here	00:23
jacekowski	wazd: it's about artefacts that it introduces	00:23
hiemanshu	jacekowski: umm, 150 is not a multiple of 16	00:23
jacekowski	hiemanshu: roughly	00:23
hiemanshu	jacekowski: CDs are 160	00:24
jacekowski	no	00:24
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valdyn	jacekowski: 150 is the cd data bitrage, not audio	00:24
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hiemanshu	jacekowski: you can rip CDs upto 192	00:24
achipa	1x speed, the completely useless metric	00:24
hiemanshu	jacekowski: please check it	00:24
achipa	you're talking about different things	00:24
achipa	but anyway ;)	00:24
valdyn	The audio bit rate is 1411.2 kbit/s ( but maybe wikipedia is lieing )	00:24
jacekowski	hiemanshu: you are mistaking bits for bytes	00:24
timeless	achipa: please don't interrupt w/ sense	00:25
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hiemanshu	jacekowski: also FM is 96	00:25
hiemanshu	and AM is 32	00:25
achipa	timeless: oh, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt the popcorn session ;)	00:25
jacekowski	hiemanshu: BS	00:25
wazd	I thought FM is 64	00:25
jacekowski	hiemanshu: FM is analogue	00:25
jacekowski	hiemanshu: bitrate is infinite	00:25
hiemanshu	wtf	00:25
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hiemanshu	troll	00:25
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jacekowski	no, you can't compare analogue signal to any bitrate	00:26
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javispedro	vynil fan eh?	00:26
jacekowski	because you have infinite amount of levels	00:26
SpeedEvil	There is a finite SNR on most real channels.	00:27
jacekowski	and your "sample" rate is only limited by your bandwidth	00:27
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jacekowski	but there is no way to compare it directly to any bitrate	00:27
SpeedEvil	Signal-noise ratio sets effective number of bits of those samples.	00:27
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wazd	javispedro: is there any portable lamp-based vinyl player for joggers? :D	00:28
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wazd	javispedro: cause I'm an audionerd	00:28
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wazd	and I don't know how to spell vynil correctly :(	00:29
* javispedro is not exactly a vinyl fan.... ;P		00:29
javispedro	wazd: actually, you are more correct than me.	00:29
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timeless	derf: interesting	00:29
jacekowski	valdyn: 150 data bitrate is strictly related to audio bitrate	00:30
timeless	so in summary you supported the FTC chief's (initial) view that ex-ante is the way to go	00:30
hiemanshu	wazd: so how is the idea of open swipe coming along? :P	00:30
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jacekowski	valdyn: as you have 150k effective data bitrate, if you add all correction data that's not used on audio, you end up with your audio bitrate	00:30
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derf	timeless: I guess that's as good a one-sentence caveat as any.	00:31
wazd	hiemanshu: Sometimes I feel like Tyler Derden, people ususally ask me for things I don't even know :D	00:31
SpeedEvil	1411.2kbits/second	00:31
derf	The problem as I see it is relying on SSO rules and participation to enforce such a thing is useless.	00:31
SpeedEvil	176400 bytes/second	00:31
* timeless nods		00:31
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jacekowski	but the facts are that a2dp bitrate is significantly lower than that	00:32
hiemanshu	wazd: you were the one with the blog post of the idea like what nokia came up with on N9, or am I wrong?	00:32
wazd	yes, but who cares	00:32
timeless	derf: hrm	00:32
hiemanshu	wazd: he does	00:32
derf	jacekowski: Part of the problem is also that SBC is terrible.	00:33
jacekowski	if your bitrate is 4x lower than CD bitrate	00:33
timeless	derf: what's your view on the <intermittent windshield wiper> ?	00:33
wazd	hiemanshu: aw, that was more than a year ago, so I'm just happy it has been used. Or not :)	00:33
hiemanshu	wazd: hah, well it would be nice to ahve a open swipe UX :P	00:33
ShadowJK	it's not even significantly lower than cd bitrate, it's a magnitude lower :P	00:33
hiemanshu	wazd: just license it with a condition (YOU FUCKING USE IT ON ANDROID, PAY ME MONIES TO BUY THE WORLD)	00:33
jacekowski	you will hear it, esspecialy if you heard it with proper equipment before	00:34
wazd	hiemanshu: well, I'm not 100% happy with this concept	00:34
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hiemanshu	wazd: if you were, it would have been implemented :P	00:34
wazd	hiemanshu: cause it blocks developers from using this gesture within apps	00:34
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mancha	anyone know how to fix things so the sw-version isn't zapped with when you flash with fanoush?	00:34
hiemanshu	wazd: use 2/3 finger swiping	00:34
hiemanshu	wazd: make it configurable, something nokia missed	00:35
wazd	hiemanshu: if you'll disable it - you won't be able to close or minimize app	00:35
jacekowski	oh	00:35
jacekowski	fuck me	00:35
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jacekowski	i've spent 100 quid on phone last month	00:35
ShadowJK	disabling it sounds like a bad idea. You want something that always works for getting out of an app, like ctrl-backspace on N900 :P	00:36
timeless	wow	00:36
jacekowski	by calling my insurers on 0845 numbers	00:36
hiemanshu	wazd: no disabling, just configuring like 1) edge of the screen 2) number of fingers, etc	00:36
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jacekowski	and spending like 30 minutes each call just listeining to they on hold music	00:36
DocScrutinizer51	mancha: no clue what you're talking bout	00:36
timeless	what's 0845? is that like 1900?	00:36
derf	timeless: Well, that's a) not a standard and b) Kearns went to them to get them to license the idea before they used it, so it's not like they didn't know about the patent.	00:36
wazd	hiemanshu: yep, that makes more sense	00:36
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer51: so whats the status of your device? out of the airport yet?	00:36
wazd	anyway, a2dp rules, Canon suxx, good night :D	00:36
DocScrutinizer51	yes	00:36
hiemanshu	wazd: night	00:37
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer51: so you'll have it tomorrow	00:37
hiemanshu	:D	00:37
* timeless wonders if there are cars w/o it		00:37
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer51: btw when you get it, hug it hard and give aegis some love	00:37
* timeless vaguely wonders if ABS is covered by patents		00:37
jacekowski	timeless: these are sort of like 0800 numbers	00:37
derf	There might have been in the 80's!	00:37
wazd	DocScrutinizer51: ah, another Bastard :D	00:37
ShadowJK	timeless, cars without intermittent windshield wiper? Yes.	00:37
jacekowski	timeless: like reduced rate and stuff	00:37
derf	Or the 70's, more likely.	00:38
timeless	my guess is that some do	00:38
jacekowski	timeless: from landline	00:38
wazd	DocScrutinizer51: congrats :)	00:38
jacekowski	timeless: but from mobile you have to pay more for them	00:38
timeless	jacekowski: in the usa, 1800 numbers are "toll free", from anything	00:38
timeless	(minus general airtime costs)	00:38
RST38h	moo wazd	00:38
wazd	RST38h: o/	00:38
timeless	i had assumed that 1800 mapped to 0800	00:38
ShadowJK	Cheaper toyotas have "Wipe" - 0 - Lowspeed - Highspeed. The "Wipe" position returns to 0 by a spring, and it wipes once. :P	00:38
jacekowski	timeless: thing is that normal numbers are free free	00:39
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timeless	grr	00:39
jacekowski	timeless: 0845 numbers are not included in my allowance so i pay for them	00:39
wazd	RST38h: Btw, I have to ask you to send me all Ati85 faceplates if you still have them cause I've f*cked them up :(	00:39
timeless	so it costs you more to dial a number that was free from a land line	00:39
timeless	than it does to dial a general number?	00:39
jacekowski	timeless: yes	00:39
timeless	bravo	00:39
timeless	excellent system you have there	00:39
timeless	do you pay for data?	00:40
jacekowski	no	00:40
timeless	skype to 0800 numbers is free :)	00:40
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jacekowski	that's a reason why in some countries you can't dial 0800 numbers from mobiles	00:40
jacekowski	because they could never agree who would pay and how much	00:40
RST38h	wazd: No problem, what address?	00:40
* timeless sighs		00:40
timeless	... that isn't civilization	00:41
timeless	... that's insanity	00:41
ShadowJK	Then the local telephone company has bunch of numbers just like local numbers, and but it's free to call from local telephone company's subscriber lines	00:41
SpeedEvil	jacekowski: There are some sites listing local dial numbers for the 0845s	00:42
wazd	RST38h: drew.zhilin[at]gmail.com , thanks a lot	00:42
jacekowski	SpeedEvil: bit late for that now	00:42
SpeedEvil	jacekowski: :/	00:42
jacekowski	SpeedEvil: i wasn't expecting for it to cost that much	00:42
wazd	RST38h: have to take a nap, cya tomorrow :)	00:43
jacekowski	but i've spent in total 250 minutes "talking" to them	00:43
wazd	cya all	00:43
RST38h	wazd: sent	00:43
jacekowski	and tmobile charges like 40p/minute	00:43
jacekowski	my first thought was that i forgot to disable data roaming	00:43
trumee	jacekowski: saynoto0870.com	00:44
trumee	jacekowski: remember that in the future	00:44
ShadowJK	There was a law/ruling/whatever here at some point that made wait time "free".. But I don't remember who it applied to and how free it was suppsoed to be	00:45
jacekowski	i'll call tmobile and tell them that i'm not planning to pay for that	00:45
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jacekowski	and i'm just wondering what will be their answer	00:45
jacekowski	i'll probably end up having to pay it anyways but that's 100 quid wasted	00:46
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holmesII	when my program running in libhal_ctx_init_direct(&error), i got NULL in there. so any idea ?	00:47
* SpeedEvil has had amusing issues with the government losing stuff sent to them special delivered.		00:47
SpeedEvil	Meh.	00:47
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* trumee needs a popup on his phone when the free call allowance is finished		00:48
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trumee	i end up using more than my free minutes every month mostly due to ignorance	00:48
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trumee	can the total call timer be queried from cli?	00:53
timeless	derf: it'd be nice if your /ftc/ page had a style which highlighted the linked anchor	00:53
timeless	:(	00:53
timeless	-- trying to follow footnotes is painful	00:53
holmesII	any one read the project hald-addon-bme in gitorious.org written by toggles?	00:54
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timeless	derf: also, the first "Footnotes" "...so1" link seems broken..	00:58
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derf	timeless: It sure does. I didn't do the HTML page (just the PDF). I've forwarded your comments, however.	01:10
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* javispedro sighs		01:15
javispedro	stupid slashdot.	01:15
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MySpaez	eh	01:19
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GeneralAntilles	Who is /.'s readerbase these days?	01:26
GeneralAntilles	That place is going more and more to shit.	01:26
derf	Old people.	01:27
SpeedEvil	It's depressing	01:27
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SpeedEvil	It used to be reasonable.	01:27
derf	I've been /.-free for 9 years, 238 days.	01:28
rm_work	i never read it :/	01:29
rm_work	was it good?	01:29
derf	No.	01:29
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DocScrutinizer	what is /.?	01:29
ds3	/	01:30
rm_work	say it out loud	01:30
rm_work	it's a website	01:30
javispedro	lately the number of comments has also been severely reduced	01:32
javispedro	only news pieces that get a statistically significant number of comments are US politics.	01:33
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NIN101	If I flash on the the device itself, with softupd and flasher --local, do I actually have to flash the kernel or can I use the "-l" option? So that after I turn the device off and on again, the new kernel loads without being flashed. Is it possible? I guess it isn't, but who knows.	01:33
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GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, http://slashdot.org/	01:34
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DocScrutinizer	NIN101: no, it isn't	01:37
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: hmm, thanks	01:37
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: heard about it	01:38
NIN101	thx.	01:38
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javispedro	According to Nielsen, PalmOS has still more market share than WP7.	01:54
javispedro	why didn't Nokia license PalmOS? =)	01:55
ds3	can't afford to have a deludge of customers	01:55
MySpaez	Drug prohibition is bad economics	01:56
MySpaez	Dammit	01:56
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MySpaez	Irc client pastes old text	01:56
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GeneralAntilles	I guess I can stop pressing F5	02:00
javispedro	GeneralAntilles: no, because you want to get yours before I do!	02:01
rm_you	lol	02:03
rm_you	GeneralAntilles: yeah i'm thinkin :P	02:03
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sid_	is there a uboot-power version which is compatible to 1:2.6.28-10power47? downgrading to *46 fails	02:06
sid_	http://pastebin.com/diPw5r4n	02:06
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merlin1991	sid_: uboot-power is only compatible with power46	02:08
merlin1991	on tmo there is a thread howto build your own uboot for power47	02:09
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sid_	merlin1991: too risk, my usb is broken and i want a "rescuesystem" at mmc	02:10
sid_	any other idea?	02:10
sid_	else i will buy a 8gb mmc and install meego	02:11
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GAN900	Somebody needs to take John Stewart to a nice home somewhere.	02:15
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javispedro	this reminds me I need to catch up on the daily show.	02:23
GeneralAntilles	Don't bother	02:24
GeneralAntilles	It's neither funny nor relevant.	02:24
javispedro	he should go back to doing The Faculty sequels then.	02:24
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Termana	good morning	02:32
sid_	moo	02:33
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sid_	does someone know a good repair shop in germany for usb soldering?	02:43
NIN101	some folks on meego.de recommend nokia24.de	02:44
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merlin1991	sid_: I did my own uboot for the power46-wl1 kernel	02:45
NIN101	IIRC they do not solder, they just replace, but you better read something about it.	02:45
merlin1991	took the sources from the uboot-pr13 package and combined them with the hints on tmo	02:45
merlin1991	worked like a charm	02:45
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sid_	it looks like it is already bricked and i do not have usb	02:48
sid_	today i saw a fbus for 5€. it should be like http://www.gpgindustries.com/banners/N900.jpg	02:49
SpeedEvil	neat	02:49
SpeedEvil	that's the serial adaptor I think - it's not a standard thingy	02:49
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sid_	according to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=42ed30abe0bf2acee33467c931c2b804&t=71414&page=4 it should work or am i wrong?	02:57
SpeedEvil	umm - no	02:59
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SpeedEvil	quite seperate	02:59
SpeedEvil	the above is not as I understand it USB at all, it's serial.	02:59
SpeedEvil	Where is that?	03:00
sid_	depressing, will write to nokia24 tomorrow. where is what=	03:02
sid_	?	03:02
* SpeedEvil ponders offering a n900 repair service.		03:03
SpeedEvil	Oh - I read through the thread - maybe indeed	03:04
SpeedEvil	I fyou mod the thing	03:04
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sid_	good night	03:06
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SpeedEvil	Can you rotate the RDA phone image?	04:03
SpeedEvil	Or rather - set the phone into landscape mode	04:03
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Termana	SpeedEvil, not with the N950	04:27
Termana	(n950 RDA)	04:27
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SpeedEvil	k	04:28
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holmesII	anybody here?	05:16
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cehteh	about 337 people	05:17
holmesII	yes. is there anybody can help me to figure out how to get the battery charge level (mhA) inforamtion? Simple source code would be hlepful	05:18
cehteh	lshal \| grep bat ... or even better the bq27200.sh script found on TMO	05:20
holmesII	im using N900.	05:20
holmesII	ok. TMO?	05:20
holmesII	i need to program (C/c++) to gain the information.	05:21
holmesII	os lshal is not good for me.	05:21
cehteh	there is libhal and some api you can query	05:24
cehteh	but stock charging (bme) is somewhat borked	05:24
holmesII	borked???	05:25
cehteh	it lies to you and the updates while charging are wrong iirc	05:26
cehteh	well there are a lot battery tools, get the sources and look	05:26
cehteh	the bq27*.sh script does direct i2c queries to the fuel gauge chip, but nokia missed to implement that properly in bme	05:26
cehteh	and bme isnt open source	05:27
holmesII	i just found one or two sources that are not running correct on my N900	05:27
cehteh	what exactly do you want to do?	05:28
holmesII	i want to read the battery charge level periodically	05:28
cehteh	for what?	05:29
cehteh	and how often?	05:29
holmesII	to look at how quick the battery goes on. how often? 0.5 seconds or 1 second or maybe millionseconds.	05:30
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cehteh	heh .. you know how much alone that would drain the battery?	05:31
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cehteh	and what do you mean by 'battery goes on'	05:31
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cehteh	battery graph does a decent job in logging battery	05:32
holmesII	i will run my own program and to see how quick the battery runs out.	05:32
holmesII	yes, but it doesn't have source code.	05:32
cehteh	if you wake the cpu that often then the battery will be empty in 3 hours :P	05:32
holmesII	and i need to draw my own figure	05:32
cehteh	the battery only last that long because programs must be written not to wake the cpu frquently	05:33
holmesII	well, can i ask you one question? if i wrote a program to call lshal \| grep ... does it wake up the CPU?	05:34
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holmesII	or if i wrote a program to call bme/ libhal, does it wake up the CPU?	05:35
cehteh	anything you run on the cpu wakes it	05:35
cehteh	batterygraph and other tools just do that infrequently .. every 30 seconds or so	05:35
holmesII	i see. actually my another program will use the wifi or so very frequently	05:36
cehteh	well and you can subscribe notifications from dbus to waken only on some status changes	05:36
holmesII	that's why i need to log the battery's infor	05:36
cehteh	there is a battery low warning message for example .. but iirc there are no notifcations about other charge levels unfortunally	05:36
cehteh	batterygraph is open source iirc	05:37
cehteh	take a look at that	05:37
cehteh	or use libhal directly	05:37
holmesII	really? can you support me the link?	05:37
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holmesII	yes, i want to use libhal. but i have no idea about it . i need some simple code for study	05:37
cehteh	garage.maemo.org maybe .. search by yourself	05:38
cehteh	heh .. its python i think so you always get the source	05:38
cehteh	google	05:38
holmesII	i know there is program wrotten by python. and i got the source code.	05:38
holmesII	but i want to learn by c/c++	05:38
jonwil	Look in the CSSU	05:39
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jonwil	Someone cloned the battery status bar widget and made it better	05:39
cehteh	even if its python the libhal api for c would be similar	05:39
jonwil	http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery	05:39
jonwil	Thats got C code that does battery status monitoring	05:40
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holmesII	yes. i got it. but it did for widget and i am confused about that code. i don't need to do the widget.	05:44
holmesII	but i just got the batterygraph source code. i think that's should be enough for me.	05:44
holmesII	thank you guys!!	05:44
cehteh	heh .. do you want to program something in C or do you want some finished code?	05:45
holmesII	both are good for me.	05:45
holmesII	but if the finished code i can use, i juse need to make changes in there.	05:45
holmesII	that's should be enough.	05:45
holmesII	otherwise i need to program on it, then i have to totally understand the whole stuff on libhal.	05:46
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cehteh	well remember that your measurement drains battery too ... if you only need that for testing then you prolly put the battery querying directly in your wifi using app (as infrequently as possible) when it is running anyways, then the cpu is already awake that wont cost extra	05:49
holmesII	do you know which way will consume more battery? 1. program using libhal 2. call command lshal	05:49
cehteh	like in a event loop, check if some time elapsed since the last event (few seconds at least) and do the measuremant before going idle again	05:50
cehteh	lshal certainly mor because it forks of a shell	05:50
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cehteh	when your program consumes too much battery you should check why .. busy loops, polling etc ... install 'powertop' to find out	05:53
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holmesII	i see.	05:53
holmesII	btw, the source code i downloaded batterygraph, there is no makefile	05:54
cehteh	setup.py?	05:55
holmesII	and it seems a vs project. how can i debug it in windows?	05:55
holmesII	no setup.py	05:55
cehteh	huh?	05:55
cehteh	no idea :)	05:55
cehteh	i never looked at its source	05:55
holmesII	looks like a vs project. because there is sln and vcxproj	05:55
cehteh	well people can use VS for other projects too	05:55
holmesII	i see. however, it must be very hard for the author to debug maemo program in VS.	05:57
holmesII	a lot of lib he need to included.	05:57
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pauly	hi	05:58
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cehteh	holmesII: huh?	06:10
cehteh	just using VS as editor perhaps?	06:10
holmesII	i don't know. i am check the ESBOX.	06:10
holmesII	maybe there are same sln and vcsproj files.	06:11
cehteh	you possibly need to test it on the real device the sdk has no BME, no battery and so on	06:12
holmesII	doesn't esbox has those stuffs?	06:13
hiemanshu	eh, nope	06:13
cehteh	it is mostly a build environment, not a test environment	06:14
holmesII	hmmm.	06:14
cehteh	that more than just building works there is more a coincidence	06:15
holmesII	i'd like to get the batterygraph source code.	06:15
cehteh	didnt you saied you have it?	06:16
holmesII	the author said he did it in ecbox.	06:16
holmesII	i did downloaded one, but i suspect it's not the batterygraph i want.	06:16
holmesII	i want this http://maemo.jeroenwitteman.com/BatteryGraph/manual.php	06:16
cehteh	there is a download section	06:18
cehteh	http://maemo.jeroenwitteman.com/BatteryGraph/batterygraph_0.3.2_armel.deb	06:18
cehteh	oh its not python	06:20
holmesII	the deb file is the installation file.	06:21
holmesII	i need the source code.	06:21
cehteh	it also contains the packages	06:21
cehteh	err .. programs	06:21
cehteh	so if it would be python then the source as well	06:21
cehteh	back to the CSSU source :)	06:21
cehteh	hey that all you need and quite simple	06:22
cehteh	showing how to use hal	06:22
holmesII	the deb package only contains the installation binary files. no source code.	06:23
holmesII	i will check CSSU source right now.	06:24
cehteh	i just cloned the git and looked	06:24
cehteh	looks exactly as you need	06:24
cehteh	http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery/blobs/master/src/status-area-applet-battery.c	06:25
cehteh	or take a look online	06:25
holmesII	i did download this one before. but i can't compile it.	06:26
holmesII	any idea?	06:26
cehteh	i dont care for compiling it .. but looks to me as it is a part which gets integrated in the CSSU infrastructure and is not standalone	06:26
cehteh	thow out all hildon stuff make it printf() the current value and make a selfstanding console app for yourself first .. until you understand how to do that	06:27
cehteh	then you make it a library you can link to your app and as i saied before you gather statistics in debug builds of your app when your app is already awake	06:27
cehteh	(in debug builds only!)	06:28
cehteh	did you packaged things for maemo before?	06:28
holmesII	no.	06:29
* cehteh neither :P		06:29
holmesII	i just got my N900 yesterday.	06:29
cehteh	ok	06:29
holmesII	so i am totally newbi to this area	06:29
cehteh	i just searching a victim^Wvolunteer to package my debugging lib :P	06:29
cehteh	well i dont really care but if someone could do that it would be nice	06:30
holmesII	i can't figure it out which part of codes is what i need.	06:34
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cehteh	just starting with C/C++?	06:37
holmesII	yes.	06:37
cehteh	maybe pick something easier .. and get a good book	06:37
cehteh	133	06:38
cehteh	static void	06:38
cehteh	134	06:38
cehteh	battery_status_plugin_get_values (BatteryStatusAreaItem *plugin)	06:38
cehteh	looks like the querying function .. but its still tied to the applet stuff needs to be rewritten	06:38
cehteh	libhal_device_get_property_int (priv->ctx, BME_HAL_UDI, BME_HAL_CURRENT_KEY, &error);	06:39
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holmesII	yes, like this, BatteryStatusAreaItem, what is that.	06:41
holmesII	module name?	06:41
holmesII	or come from some lib?	06:41
cehteh	prolly a gobject for the plugin	06:41
holmesII	well. forget it. i am doing my asp.net website now and hopefully i can finish it before i leave	06:41
cehteh	you only need this libhal call wrapped up	06:42
cehteh	lol	06:42
holmesII	yes	06:42
holmesII	keep in touch.	06:42
holmesII	be help	06:42
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dan_	hey guys , i have	09:39
dan_	guys i have "dummy network	09:39
dan_	hey guys , i have	09:39
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dan_	damn !	09:40
dan_	guys i have "dummy network" visible in my network list , but it does not appear when i get to select prefered internet connection. how do i get it to show up in the internet connection list ?	09:41
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dan_	guys i have "dummy network" visible in my network list , but it does not appear when i get to select prefered internet connection. how do i get it to show up in the internet connection list when USB networking ?	09:56
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ruskie	dan_, we heard you the first time ;) when people wake up they'll be able to help	10:02
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ruskie	rofl	10:09
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hiemanshu	khertan: got launchpad right?	10:11
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khertan	hiemanshu, yep	10:11
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hiemanshu	khertan: so I hope to have my N950 order email by today :D	10:12
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khertan	:)	10:13
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Venemo_N900	hm!	10:24
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Venemo_N900	on my Nokia Developer page, the "Launchpad for individuals" are listed in "My Programs"	10:30
Venemo_N900	I haven't received an e-mail from them though	10:31
Termana	Venemo_N900, you don't	10:31
Venemo_N900	how do I get my N950 from there?	10:31
Termana	Venemo_N900, you don't until you get the email that says you have an N900 waiting for you and then you go to	10:31
Termana	~n900order	10:31
Termana	damn bot	10:31
Venemo_N900	N900?	10:31
Termana	oh	10:32
Termana	~n950order	10:32
infobot	somebody said n950order was https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-)	10:32
Termana	that link ^^	10:32
MySpaez	at least the n900 is almost as good as the n950	10:32
disse	heyho, I've installed OMWeather on my n900 and in germany my town is 2 times there. How can I find out now, which is the right one?	10:32
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: got email?	10:32
MySpaez	try both	10:32
disse	and then?	10:33
Venemo_N900	hiemanshu, nope. and you?	10:33
MySpaez	Select the one that works	10:33
disse	is there anywhere a zip code, in a config file or something like that	10:33
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: nope, but hope to have mine today	10:33
disse	both are working	10:33
disse	my town name is two times in germany	10:33
MySpaez	file a bug report then	10:33
robbiethe1st	MySpaez: "almost" nothing, it can be /better/... at least for now., Remember, it's possible to OC it to 1.15ghz, whereas the N950 has no OC ability yet.	10:34
robbiethe1st	and with an OS designed for 600mhz...	10:34
gomiam	Termana: "Login to Nokia Developer" :P	10:34
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DocScrutinizer	mooo	10:34
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: I wrote an xdotool script, even 5 mins, auto opens the chromium windows in another workspace and hit refresh :P	10:34
gomiam	DocScrutinizer: baaaah	10:34
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: whats the status on yours?	10:35
MySpaez	Robbie so we have reports of OC'd N900s dying yet?	10:35
DocScrutinizer	won the fight with DHL	10:35
MySpaez	Do we	10:35
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: and?	10:35
DocScrutinizer	unboxing this second	10:35
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: WOW	10:35
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hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: thats fast	10:35
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hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: pics :D	10:36
Venemo_N900	hiemanshu, hehh :)	10:36
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robbiethe1st	I've heard of at max two that could be considered to have died that way... but nothing clear-cut, really. No tens-of-people with fried chips, etc.	10:36
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer, pics or it didn't happen	10:36
Termana	DocScrutinizer, yello	10:36
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: well seeing the pattern, I hope to have it today	10:36
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Venemo_N900	hiemanshu, what is the pattern?	10:36
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: random luck :D	10:37
Termana	Holey shite - I'm eating a Peri Peri Zinger Burger from KFC. This thing is REALLY hot heh :p	10:37
DocScrutinizer	meh	10:37
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: ?	10:37
DocScrutinizer	pics	10:37
hiemanshu	ah	10:37
hiemanshu	send us some	10:37
DocScrutinizer	time for 12648430 ☕	10:37
Venemo_N900	what is that?	10:38
hiemanshu	coffee	10:38
hiemanshu	:P	10:38
Venemo_N900	ah	10:38
Venemo_N900	I see a funny non-appearing utf8 character	10:38
hiemanshu	thats the coffee char :P	10:39
hiemanshu	well looks like it	10:39
Venemo_N900	doesn't appear for me.	10:39
Venemo_N900	but I believe you	10:39
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer in 2 hours: "Unboxing is old school, I'm unaluminuming it"	10:39
MySpaez	lol	10:39
Venemo_N900	so... bottomline: no email = no N950	10:39
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Venemo_N900	?	10:39
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hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: yes	10:40
Venemo_N900	hey MohammadAG, any news on yours yet?	10:40
MohammadAG	it's still sun tanning Venemo_N900	10:40
Venemo_N900	mhm	10:41
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Venemo_N900	oh btw, my laptop's HDD went nuts	10:41
MohammadAG	cool, mine went fishing :P	10:42
Venemo_N900	I got a BIOS message asking me to replace it (reported by SMART, whatever it is)	10:42
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: stop molesting your laptop :P	10:42
MohammadAG	oh that's nothing	10:42
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MohammadAG	it'll die	10:42
MohammadAG	eventually	10:42
Corsac	Venemo_N900: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.	10:42
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MohammadAG	you just don't know when	10:42
Corsac	MohammadAG: that's the case for every hard drive though	10:43
hiemanshu	I have a MBP is my shelf, lying around in bits and pieces :P	10:43
Corsac	or any hardware, for that matter :)	10:43
Venemo_N900	actually, F15's hdd manager tool also told me this, but ignored that	10:43
MohammadAG	F15's tool talks to smart	10:43
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: lol, replace it before you lose data	10:43
Venemo_N900	yeah, that it said	10:43
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: yes, smartctl	10:43
Corsac	ignoring smart errors is usually not smart	10:43
Venemo_N900	anyway, I'd prefer a non-dying one for the next couple of weeks	10:44
Venemo_N900	so I'll go to a shop today and get one	10:44
hiemanshu	I need to get a new laptop	10:44
* hiemanshu is waiting for gsoc monies		10:44
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DocScrutinizer	check my ovi account for pics	10:45
DocScrutinizer	now COFFEE!	10:45
hiemanshu	link	10:45
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, fuck unboxing	10:45
MohammadAG	get a torx and unscrew that thing!	10:45
MohammadAG	:P	10:46
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: the holes of the box are too big :P	10:46
MySpaez	well in not developing for qt/meego so i dont deserve one	10:46
MySpaez	I hope docs is	10:46
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer, link?	10:46
MohammadAG	hiemanshu, perv :P	10:46
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: you spoke about fucking it, I didn't	10:47
Venemo_N900	hiemanshu, I need a new laptop too... do you know any good ones?	10:47
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer's doing hostmode	10:47
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: thinkpad or MBP, everything else I have used it shit	10:47
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: I am getting a MBP for meself	10:47
Venemo_N900	hiemanshu, MBP?	10:47
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: MacBook Pro	10:47
Venemo_N900	YUCK!	10:47
MohammadAG	HPs are great	10:48
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MohammadAG	not sure about the toucpad on new ones though	10:48
hiemanshu	lol HP	10:48
Corsac	touchpads suck anyway	10:48
Venemo_N900	I don't care about touchpad	10:48
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: I screwed the HP manager at the service center once	10:48
MohammadAG	well, they suck more when the buttons are the same touch panel	10:48
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Venemo_N900	agreed	10:48
MohammadAG	meaning you can't click while moving the mouse	10:48
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: 14 days replacement done in 6 hours	10:48
MohammadAG	hiemanshu, screwed? perv!	10:49
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: not that kind of screwing :P	10:49
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: she was too old for that :P	10:50
MohammadAG	lol	10:50
Venemo_N900	xD	10:50
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* khertan is hate more and more qml ... every example i found ve problem or require fucking component available only on one plateform		10:52
khertan	that sucks !	10:52
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DocScrutinizer	http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10131?sort=0 and -<-<newer	10:52
MohammadAG	khertan, components are usually cross platform	10:53
MohammadAG	if they only deal with the UI	10:53
Ken-Young	Has anyone who applied for the "Nokia Developer Launchapad" as part of the process for getting an N9 DevKit received a reply yet?	10:53
Venemo_N900	I simply want a ~15" laptop with at least a Core i5 and a usable video card (requirement is the ability to play SC2, ATI=nothanks), and good Linux support. which manufacturer/model should I look at?	10:53
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: nice	10:53
khertan	MohammadAG, they aren't ... harmattan component are a .so so not really portable ...	10:53
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: Thinkpad or Dell Vostro	10:54
Jaffa	Morning, all	10:54
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: pong	10:54
sandst1	Venemo_N900: Buy a MacBookPro and stuff Ubuntu into it?	10:54
hiemanshu	Jaffa: morning you lucky arse :P	10:54
khertan	MohammadAG, meego one depends on meego things ... so not available for fremantle	10:54
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hiemanshu	khertan: write in pure QML?	10:54
sandst1	Venemo_N900: or <a distro of your choice>	10:54
Venemo_N900	sandst1, for the price of a macbook pro, I can buy two other laptops.	10:55
MohammadAG	khertan, meego components? you can get them on fremantle	10:55
hiemanshu	anyways I have to go out now	10:55
* hiemanshu is out		10:55
khertan	hiemanshu, write in something that will work on maemo, meego and harmattan	10:55
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MohammadAG	and use Qt components	10:55
Corsac	DocScrutinizer: do you have another camera to make side-by-side n9{0,5}0 comparison?	10:55
khertan	MohammadAG, really ?	10:55
MohammadAG	they're cross platform	10:55
sandst1	Venemo_N900: Yeap, true.	10:55
khertan	MohammadAG, where are them ?	10:55
Venemo_N900	sandst1, I also hate Apple's "ecosystem", so I don't wanna support them with money	10:55
MohammadAG	qt components? not sure, alterego or achipa would know	10:55
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Jaffa	hiemanshu: Yeah, but I've filled in a few more issues and things to be aware of on http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950	10:57
khertan	MohammadAG, pfff ... it s not a framework ... it s puzzle	10:57
Jaffa	hiemanshu: Annoyances of the day: no way of archiving email in Gmail; maps' voice files play in all-songs-shuffle.	10:57
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Corsac	Jaffa: can it sync non-google caldav?	10:57
sandst1	Venemo_N900: indeed. But luckily the market is full of decently-priced core i7 laptops	10:57
robbiethe1st	Jaffa: create a folder named archive? Or something?	10:57
hiemanshu	Jaffa: well, either ways, lucky arse	10:58
* hiemanshu is out for real now		10:58
* khertan will do his now qml component lib ... and fuck da plateform integration		10:59
Venemo_N900	sandst1, I didn't find a single one that looks good and has a fair price at the same time	11:00
macmaN	Jaffa: the way i got n900 to ignore gpodder etc was to exclude those dir in tracer.cfg or .ini or whatever it was	11:00
macmaN	tracker*	11:00
macmaN	im talking about media player	11:00
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macmaN	n950 also uses tracker or now	11:00
macmaN	no*	11:01
sandst1	Venemo_N900: whoops, meant to write core i5 laptops :)	11:01
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macmaN	samsung series 9 is just about all there is, aside from dell latitude 13	11:02
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macmaN	looking for the same thing	11:02
macmaN	trying to stay way from the MBA triangle-ufo shape	11:03
Venemo_N900	sandst1, sure, same stands true for i5	11:03
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Jaffa	Corsac: No idea, not got one to try	11:04
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Jaffa	macmaN: Yeah, I'll probably go investigate that (ta)	11:04
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thresh	hey guys, does anyone know if every micro USB connector is compatible with n900? I torn mine off, and the service (not official, heh) replaced it	11:05
thresh	but it doesnt seem to charge	11:05
Corsac	DocScrutinizer: hmhm, quite larger indeed	11:06
sandst1	Venemo_N900: what would be a decent price..?	11:06
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sandst1	Venemo_N900: i guess priceof(MBP)/2 ?: )	11:07
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Venemo_N900	sandst1, dunno. I guess below ~$1000 or ~€700	11:08
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer, thx for the pics! N950 is real big	11:09
macmaN	Venemo_N900: samsung s9 11,6" fits there..	11:09
Venemo_N900	sandst1, but more to my liking would be below 800	11:09
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sandst1	Venemo_N900: e.g. Samsung RV511 doesn't look too bad http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-RV511-notebook-2-66GHz-Premium/dp/B004NSUG0E	11:09
Venemo_N900	macmaN, wut? that is not 15".	11:09
macmaN	but i guess a bunch of ultrathins are coming this here	11:09
macmaN	ahhh, 15" :)	11:09
macmaN	ok i remember seeing an ultrathin 15 by someone	11:10
macmaN	cant remember who	11:10
Venemo_N900	I don't care about thinness or weight, rather battery life and performance	11:10
achipa	guys	11:10
macmaN	ok. there's plenty of brick selection around for that then.	11:10
Venemo_N900	problem is that most of them are very ugly and have an uncomfortable keyboard	11:11
achipa	MohammadAG: khertan: a strictly personal opinion - components solve the cross-platform problem by making it easy, quickly do throwaway UIs, not to make the one giant monolithic UI that runs equally well on all platforms	11:11
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achipa	I know this goes against your experience and traiing and everything, but that's the current way to least pain	11:12
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MySpaez	i hope in 2012 a n900 replacement comes	11:14
Venemo_N900	heh	11:15
khertan	achipa, how can you say crossplateform where everything is specifics to plateform	11:15
khertan	achipa, i m trying to do an app for harmattan currently in qml	11:16
khertan	and whooa ... it s a real pain	11:16
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khertan	qtcreator didn't know about harmattan component	11:16
achipa	they are not cross-platform, they address the cross-platform PROBLEM	11:16
khertan	can't try it in simulator as it s really slow	11:16
achipa	I know, that might not be what people have expected, but that's it	11:16
achipa	AFAIK doesn't work in simulator currently	11:17
khertan	can't try it on n900, component not available	11:17
achipa	only QEMU	11:17
achipa	qtcreator should know about the components	11:17
achipa	if you have the experimental harmattan target	11:17
khertan	but qemu is too slow to be usefull	11:17
khertan	yep i ve experimental target	11:17
achipa	N900 components... I think Kate or GNUton-BNC is on that...	11:18
achipa	khertan: hm, worksforme with the experimental target	11:18
achipa	(on-device)	11:18
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thresh	what does constant yellow light means when charging N900?	11:18
achipa	trouble	11:18
thresh	I can guess so	11:18
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khertan	achipa, is there qml component that works on fremantle and on meego ?	11:19
achipa	can you turn it on ? are going from zero ?	11:19
thresh	no, the battery went zero after my USB connector broke off	11:19
DocScrutinizer	HAAHAAA they seem to check the accelerometer for detecting doubletap for wakeup	11:19
achipa	khertan: look, I will repeat myself. Do not try to find a subset of the same code that runs equally well	11:19
achipa	khertan: that is pain, and you will suffer	11:19
thresh	the guy resoldered the connector (used new one), now it just wont charge and shows yellow led	11:19
achipa	think about doing it quickly in parallel	11:19
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achipa	embrace the diversity	11:19
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thresh	the mobile tries to turn on but obviously doesnt have enough battery power	11:20
achipa	minimize the QML UI layer	11:20
khertan	achipa, the pain will be to do 3 time the same apps	11:20
khertan	for the same target	11:20
khertan	it s the same device	11:20
khertan	only different os	11:20
achipa	it's more pain to do ONE iu that works equially well on all 3	11:20
khertan	same framework	11:20
achipa	that's what I'm saying	11:20
thresh	could it be that the power is too low to even put it on charge mode?	11:20
achipa	thresh: could be...	11:21
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thresh	because I clearly remember the battery sign on the screen showing it actually was working on the guy's USB charger	11:21
khertan	achipa, no i m sorry ... it s more pain to rewrite and maintain 3 apps which do exactly the same thing and use different api	11:21
khertan	i call that fragmentation	11:21
khertan	so solution is avoid component and use pure qml ... do not respect plateform.	11:22
khertan	or avoid completely some plateform	11:23
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DocScrutinizer	hmmmmmm, I'm all torn apart	11:23
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: whats wrong?	11:25
DocScrutinizer	too shiny	11:25
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khertan	achipa, beside my grip about qml and component, for a source code editor, how will you present file opened at the same time ... doing a file switcher like the task switcher , or use a gesture to swipe from right to left and vice versa ?	11:25
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hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: eh?	11:25
MohammadAG	~n950order	11:25
infobot	hmm... n950order is https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-)	11:25
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: email?	11:25
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DocScrutinizer	it's like a new girlfriend	11:25
MohammadAG	no, just checking	11:25
hiemanshu	ah	11:26
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hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: that should be good news right	11:26
nid0	unless the old one's complaining?	11:26
DocScrutinizer	first 2 weeks you see only the bright sides, but you sometimes get a bad feeling and you dunno what for	11:26
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hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: lol	11:27
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: true	11:27
DocScrutinizer	open music... "please coonect to your PC to get your mediathek" (OWTTE) -- too simple, I bet connecting to my computer will result in something quite different than magical movement of songs	11:28
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hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: they expect you to have ovi, that should do the transfer :P	11:28
DocScrutinizer	lots og accidental taps instead flicking	11:29
DocScrutinizer	or scrolling	11:29
MohammadAG	long live capacitive	11:30
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DocScrutinizer	YEAH :-/	11:30
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MohammadAG	got used to it on the N8 and iPhone	11:30
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DocScrutinizer	welcome date&time picker is soooo nice now	11:31
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MohammadAG	sadly everyone I give my N900 to does accidental clicks cause they scroll too lightly	11:31
robbiethe1st	So, what... you guys like the resistive on the N900 or the N950 capacitative better?	11:31
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ZogG	MohammadAG \o*/	11:31
hiemanshu	I like capacitative, mostly for multitouch	11:31
nid0	please tell me the device will let me just manually transfer music to it in mass storage and itll pick up the music cleanly	11:31
MohammadAG	bump on the head ZogG?	11:31
nid0	will not be impressed if it basically requires ovi to handle the transfer	11:31
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ZogG	MohammadAG it's flower in the hair =)	11:32
hiemanshu	nid0: naah, it should do that	11:32
MohammadAG	there's multitouch resistive hiemanshu	11:32
ZogG	MohammadAG, yeah but noone uses it	11:32
ZogG	i would liek to have it in phone	11:32
MohammadAG	point is, it's not a capacitive thing	11:32
ZogG	though i don't know how responsive it is	11:32
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MohammadAG	same as resistive obviously	11:32
ruskie	I hope that the n9 will get rooted so that there will be normal root access like on n900...	11:32
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: right, but its not even mainstream yet :(	11:33
ZogG	MohammadAG, actually it is, like in phones and association	11:33
X-Fade	ruskie: Not needed?	11:33
MohammadAG	rooted is an android word, please don't use it :P	11:33
ZogG	ruskie it is rooted	11:33
ruskie	I thought the n9 won't have root access	11:33
ZogG	ruskie right there in options	11:33
MohammadAG	X-Fade, can you see if devel-su works?	11:33
MohammadAG	rather than using ssh root@localhost	11:33
X-Fade	MohammadAG: devel-su?	11:33
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MohammadAG	X-Fade, should be like sudo su	11:34
ZogG	as i read you just turn rot access in options	11:34
ZogG	MohammadAG why would you use sudo su	11:34
ruskie	ZogG, read where?	11:34
ZogG	you use or su or sudo	11:34
ZogG	ruskie internets	11:34
X-Fade	MohammadAG: Yes, asks for pw. And then it works.	11:34
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ZogG	ruskie, http://indostarcom.com/2011/07/root-nokia-n9-is-as-easy-as-entering-the-menu-settings/	11:34
MohammadAG	ZogG, su root asks for root pass, I may not have that	11:34
MohammadAG	sudo su asks my password, which I have	11:35
ZogG	MohammadAG than you do sudo passwd	11:35
MohammadAG	I might be on a server	11:35
ZogG	or you use sudo )command	11:35
ZogG	%command*	11:35
ZogG	or you use su	11:35
ZogG	sudo su is kinda lame =)	11:35
ruskie	ZogG, hmm interesting	11:36
Corsac	sudo -i is what you want then	11:36
ruskie	to bad they hide it behind something called: Mode for developers	11:36
ZogG	ruskie why do you care how they call it	11:36
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ZogG	you can call it any name =)	11:36
ZogG	ruskie, have you got n9?	11:36
ruskie	ZogG, is it on sale yet?	11:36
ZogG	MohammadAG, are you planing to get 9 or n950 is enuf for you?	11:37
ZogG	ruskie how wouldi know, not in my country for sure	11:37
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DocScrutinizer	nifty! no more simple battery indicator!	11:38
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ZogG	?	11:38
ruskie	ZogG, the thing is I wonder if it sets anything other than just enabling su/sudo/whatever	11:38
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: btw, update the wiki page with received	11:38
ZogG	i saw some guys that are not relevant to development got n950	11:38
ruskie	if you call it enable root access that would make it plainly obvious	11:38
ZogG	i should try to apply too =(	11:39
hiemanshu	ZogG: like?	11:39
DocScrutinizer	later, I'm kinda in a hurry	11:39
ruskie	and users should be aware that there is root access not just mode for developers	11:39
ZogG	ruskie i bet as you get phone you check every option =)	11:39
ruskie	ZogG, when I get the device I try to hack it a lot	11:39
ruskie	consider when I got the n900... wasted a week just repartitioning it over and over and over	11:39
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ZogG	hiemanshu like some guy just to make review coz he owns russian maemo site	11:40
ruskie	I decided to not apply for a n950 since I don't really develop stuff... just hack the system to work more to my liking	11:40
frals	MohammadAG: ssh root@localhost, sudo su stuff doesnt seem to work too good	11:40
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hiemanshu	ZogG: from the list?	11:40
ZogG	i dunno	11:40
hiemanshu	ZogG: I mean the wiki list?	11:40
Venemo_N900	well anyway, I want my email NOW	11:40
ZogG	wazd, remember you said about just common guys getting n950?	11:40
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hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: so do I :P	11:41
ZogG	Venemo_N900 you got approved?	11:41
ZogG	next week i grab back my n900 =)	11:42
ruskie	yay	11:42
Venemo_N900	ZogG, dunno	11:42
ruskie	if I won't be happy with a N9 I can always give it to my mom for use	11:42
ruskie	she likes shiny things	11:43
hiemanshu	fucking trolls 'A Nokia N950 is not waiting for you' :(	11:43
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Venemo_N900	hehe	11:43
Venemo_N900	hiemanshu, wut?	11:43
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: trolls	11:43
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: worst part, wrong email ID :P	11:43
lcuk	khertan, did you get any further with a qml text editor?	11:43
DocScrutinizer	I'm allready starting to hate the missing closebutton	11:43
hiemanshu	lol	11:43
ruskie	seriously?	11:43
ruskie	gah	11:43
ruskie	gief close buttonzzzz back!!!	11:44
khertan	lcuk, hello :)	11:44
thresh	hmm, I've used other mobile phone to charge the battery, still same effect :(	11:44
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ruskie	thresh, maybe they managed to short something or do some other odd wirring	11:44
thresh	and it wouldnt charge off the wallet charger	11:44
thresh	ruskie: yeah that's what I wonder too. Is there any black magic involved there? I'm not sure the soldering guy knows about N900	11:45
khertan	lcuk, currently i ve a qtextedit in a qml view using qgraphicsproxywidget, so i've an editable text zone in a flickable area ...	11:45
DocScrutinizer	can confirm proper charging from standards conforming fastcharger (first raw test)	11:45
khertan	lcuk, with syntax highlighting, indent ... and something	11:45
DocScrutinizer	\o l8r	11:45
lcuk	khertan, nice, does the flicking and text selection work nicely?	11:45
khertan	lcuk, yep :)	11:45
ruskie	though how you can mess up the wirring when all you have is a smd usb port and points already there...	11:45
lcuk	nice!	11:45
ruskie	just need to resolder the stuff back in the same spots	11:46
lcuk	khertan, is your code somewhere?	11:46
khertan	lcuk, now the harder part is to build around that a qml interface	11:46
lcuk	i will give it a try on 'meego ideapad	11:46
thresh	ruskie: my thoughts exactly	11:46
khertan	to open file	11:46
khertan	lcuk, currently code didn't open any file	11:46
lcuk	ok	11:46
khertan	lcuk, but tweeking it a bit it will :)	11:46
ruskie	thresh, of course could have used a tad to much solder or such and that caused the short somewhere	11:46
khertan	http://gitorious.org/khteditor branch qml	11:47
khertan	ps setup didn't work :)	11:47
ruskie	lcuk, the detachable thingy?	11:47
lcuk	ruskie, ?	11:47
ruskie	ideapad	11:47
lcuk	convertable slate	11:47
lcuk	lovely device :)	11:47
khertan	lcuk, if you have idea ... or help to give me on qml to represent and switch fast between multiple opened file with a single window	11:47
lcuk	got it at the 2010 Dublin MeeGo conf	11:47
khertan	i 'm open to idea	11:48
thresh	meh	11:48
Venemo_N900	hiemanshu :)	11:48
Venemo_N900	nah, I need to leave now	11:48
Venemo_N900	will be back later	11:48
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ruskie	lcuk, that's atom right?	11:48
khertan	lcuk, main problem i ve currently is that qml component that are not cross plateform ... so must do everything manually	11:49
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lcuk	khertan, your old code was not really cross platform either!	11:49
khertan	my old code ?	11:49
lcuk	original gtkeditor	11:49
khertan	gtkeditor wasn't	11:49
lcuk	i had many maemoisms didn't it?	11:49
khertan	i use khteditor on my pc :)	11:49
lcuk	ahh cool	11:49
* lcuk tried to make a text editor		11:50
khertan	the version 2 in experimental is now abandonned	11:50
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lcuk	khertan, from scratch!	11:50
lcuk	http://liqbase.net/liq.20110621_200232.codebox4.scr.png :D	11:50
ruskie	hmm wouldn't a touch frontend for vim be actually usable?	11:50
khertan	i ll try to do a qml for desktop and one for mobile	11:50
khertan	ruskie, ;)	11:51
khertan	lcuk, :)	11:51
thresh	yeah will go poke the solderer guy	11:51
lcuk	khertan, many of the rectangles have same issues a pure qml editor would need to handle	11:51
* khertan miss qwidget ... far away better than qml		11:52
lcuk	khertan, pure rectangles (before I added fonts) http://liqbase.net/liq.20110613_221639.codebox.scr.png	11:52
khertan	pure qml editor will probably not doable ... too much memory use	11:54
khertan	and ... it s easier to use qtextedit :)	11:54
ruskie	is qml being forced?	11:54
ruskie	or just one of the options?	11:54
hiemanshu	ruskie: forced	11:55
* ruskie hopes that changes		11:55
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ruskie	one way or another	11:56
hiemanshu	wont	11:56
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wazd	hi all	11:57
hiemanshu	ruskie: there is a thread about it, let me find it	11:57
hiemanshu	http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3520	11:58
hiemanshu	ruskie: ^	11:58
khertan	http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24782&postcount=29	11:58
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ruskie	well the main thing I mainly need is a terminal and vim ;)	11:59
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lardman	morning	12:00
GAN900	Muahahaha	12:00
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GAN900	I woke up in a cold sweat with premonitions of N950 emails	12:01
[DarkGUNMAN]	morning all	12:01
lardman	hmm, still no email and no device on the web page	12:01
nid0	lucky you, I woke up in a cold sweat because im ill as hell :<	12:01
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ZogG	so everyone moved to meego forum?	12:05
ZogG	i think i have account there	12:05
ZogG	is meego forum nokia's ?	12:05
ZogG	but mostly i like Bunny kicking people	12:06
* GAN900 doubts there's much chance of going back to sleep.		12:07
ZogG	lardman, here?	12:07
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javispedro	gentlemen, got the mail.	12:08
[DarkGUNMAN]	morning!	12:09
javispedro	glorious n950 morning ;)	12:09
javispedro	so, start hitting F5, cause your mails are soon	12:10
Termana	javispedro, hopefully	12:11
javispedro	for now there might be still hope of a friday delivery..	12:12
* javispedro reads the nda...		12:12
Termana	javispedro, when were you approved for launchpad - yesterday?	12:12
javispedro	yep	12:13
javispedro	i now really believe they are being handed out in reverse arrival fashion.	12:13
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khertan	javispedro, lol ... even if sent today ... it ll be friday delivery for the next week 's friday	12:14
khertan	:)	12:14
khertan	javispedro, rand rand rand :)	12:14
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lardman	ZogG: yep	12:14
ZogG	lardman sup	12:14
lardman	got to head to an meeting, but other than that just waiting for my email!	12:15
lardman	bbiab, hopefully this should be a short meeting....	12:15
javispedro	wow	12:15
* khertan is waiting email, figthing with qml		12:15
javispedro	breaking the device = 500€	12:15
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ZogG	lardman i just wanted to ask somethign about QR	12:15
ZogG	khertan morning	12:16
khertan	ZogG, morning	12:16
Termana	javispedro, so is losing it	12:16
ZogG	btw goole+ is open for everyone now	12:16
Termana	Whats funny is that is $666 AUD	12:16
ZogG	nice number	12:17
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javispedro	termana: hope the hinge is not as breakable as the n900 usb port	12:17
Hurrian	wait, you'll pay for the device if you break it?	12:17
javispedro	otherwise, nokia is going to get 250*500$	12:17
Termana	Hurrian, I don't think so, it's just a part of the NDA	12:17
javispedro	hmm... get rich quick scheme...	12:17
Termana	heh	12:17
Hurrian	javispedro ++	12:17
javispedro	termana: not an nda actually, from what I see	12:17
javispedro	just generic agreement	12:18
Hurrian	hopefully they made the slider at least as good as the N97's	12:18
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Hurrian	if the slider breaks though, just tape the halves together ;)	12:19
jonwil	I think I am getting closer to figuring out what the vibrator mce plugin does	12:19
khertan	Someone having an n950 or n9 can maybe answer me, did you think doing a multi windows application will be useable ? switching between window will be easy ? like it is on Fremantle ?	12:19
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: yoh, but I have no 500€ ;-P	12:19
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: got you rNDA&order?	12:20
javispedro	docscrutinizer: yep! order placed. you got tracking #?	12:20
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Hurrian	khertan, did you see the videos?	12:20
Hurrian	you access it using slide gesture	12:20
khertan	Hurrian, yep ... but a video is a video :)	12:20
DocScrutinizer	I got http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10131?sort=0 :-D	12:20
khertan	i ll like to get impress of user	12:21
khertan	s	12:21
javispedro	docscrutinizer: congrats!	12:21
khertan	when many app are loaded and device not in optimal condition	12:21
MySpaez	meego needs to be touchscreen ehich sucks	12:21
javispedro	docscrutinizer: but you got a tracking # prev?	12:21
Termana	DocScrutinizer, I don't know about in Germany, but if they were to pursue it in court here in Australia that matters not. They can sell personal or real property, garnish your wage, get an instalment order etc. And it costs them basically nothing because it's a small claims matter.	12:21
Termana	(re: not having 500 euro)	12:21
javispedro	docscrutinizer: also, how is aegis? it does evil red sparks when you do unathorized stuff? ;)	12:22
sp3000	timeless: pong (+17h)	12:22
Hurrian	hmm, wonder why the hell nokia bothered with aegis security framework if they're really sure that meego is dead	12:22
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: I just did random clicking (30% unintentional, thanks c-ts) and charging. Hardly anything "anti-aegis"	12:23
Hurrian	this is as stupid as Symbian Signed	12:23
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khertan	WHOUHOU !!! STILL NO EMAIL BUT N950 IN THE LIST !!!	12:24
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DocScrutinizer	Termana: I'm not supposed to handle the device with special care - so if I get in any trouble, I'm sure I can't find the device anymore, as here's maximum mess ;-P	12:25
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wazd	khertan: where to check? :)	12:25
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robbiethe1st	All I can say is that I envy you guys... I got my rejection notice three days ago. :(	12:25
DocScrutinizer	probably I forgot to remove the device when I discarded the DHL packaging XP	12:25
* javispedro ponders whether waking up the G e neral by pingin him or letting him be awakened by his disco ;)		12:25
khertan	~n950order	12:25
infobot	n950order is probably https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-)	12:25
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alterego	"No Programs"	12:26
Termana	alterego, still not approved?	12:26
* alterego sighs		12:26
alterego	Nope	12:26
javispedro	alterego: :(	12:26
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DocScrutinizer	javispedro: better test his disco setup ;-D	12:26
alterego	I wonder how many are left now ..	12:26
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wazd	Unexpected error has occured. Please try again.	12:27
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, thank goodness. I beat you out by about 15 minutes.	12:27
javispedro	dammit !	12:27
Termana	wazd, means yours isn't ready yet	12:27
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: XD	12:27
javispedro	generalantilles: so how was the disco?	12:27
Termana	mine isn't either	12:27
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wazd	Termana: I'm pretty sure I'll have lots of problems with the delivery to my andvanced european country	12:27
khertan	estimated delivery 2 weeks	12:28
DocScrutinizer	so today is the day where things really get on pace, eh?	12:28
khertan	huhu	12:28
javispedro	actually got the mail 48 minutes ago ;)	12:28
wazd	thanks to famous russian customs	12:28
javispedro	but was unpacking amazon stuff (they won the bet and shipped and delivered first)	12:28
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, was in bed, mostly still catatonic at the time.	12:28
javispedro	lol	12:28
javispedro	bet you ran	12:28
GeneralAntilles	Woke up at 4:58 and the N900 buzzed at 5.	12:29
DocScrutinizer	wow, comes with crappy CA-179	12:29
GeneralAntilles	Premonition of N950 email and then it was there.	12:29
javispedro	that happens	12:29
javispedro	i woke up and a minute after amazon guy rings the door	12:29
* khertan still no email ... but order validated		12:29
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DocScrutinizer	I guess I like my CA-101 (4 now?) way better than CA-179	12:29
GeneralAntilles	Amazon dude is early.	12:29
Hurrian	ah, on a side note, which USB cable did your N900 ship with?	12:30
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Hurrian	i got a really short CA-101D	12:30
DocScrutinizer	EHH, "SOFTWARE UPDATE 10:49"	12:31
DocScrutinizer	on lockscreen	12:31
javispedro	every n950 screenshot has that message	12:31
javispedro	i wonder why nobody ... updates.	12:31
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GeneralAntilles	Anybody remember the Facebook episode of South Park?	12:32
DocScrutinizer	some green flag next to time in status bar - whatever that means	12:32
wazd	DEVELOPER EDITION	12:32
wazd	In case you didn't realize it	12:32
javispedro	docscrutinizar: have you ever used a n900 ? with IM? ;)	12:32
wazd	javispedro: I think it has green dot as a status notifier	12:33
javispedro	i wonder why docscrutiniz_a_r is on my dictionary, friggin autocomplete.	12:33
DocScrutinizer	\o/ software update in "events" screen (or what it's called)	12:33
DocScrutinizer	sdk-connectivity-tool 0,4.4+0m6 78k	12:34
DocScrutinizer	"download failed!" ;-P	12:35
khertan	... now the question ... does it ll take me more time to do qml tool to track my n950 than to get it :)	12:35
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* alterego wonders off		12:35
javispedro	does it come with a track number	12:35
alterego	wanders ..	12:35
DocScrutinizer	"all updates installed"	12:35
wazd	bastards :)	12:36
DocScrutinizer	wow, OTA SSU seems to work	12:36
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Termana	WOOOO	12:36
Termana	email received	12:36
* javispedro heard yesterday that house md line: "yes, I am a rich bastard, but as long as I'm rich..." ;)		12:36
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DocScrutinizer	""Energy profiler is a developer tool that enables programmers to optimize software for maximum battery time..."	12:39
alterego	I wonder why I'm still seemingly the last one on the list	12:39
Termana	Ordered	12:40
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GeneralAntilles	alterego, your nickname is too early in the alphabet?	12:41
wazd	GeneralAntilles: what about me? :D	12:41
wazd	GeneralAntilles: mine too? :)	12:42
GeneralAntilles	wazd, you they just don't like. :P	12:42
wazd	goddamn :)	12:42
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alterego	GeneralAntilles: "alterego" is not mentioned in my app, it uses my other name "tswindell"	12:42
alterego	Heh	12:42
GeneralAntilles	Well, then, you must be in the same boat as wazd.	12:42
alterego	I was in the first group of accepted people, bloody sloooooow.	12:43
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GeneralAntilles	Me too	12:43
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GeneralAntilles	I don't know what their sorting logic is.	12:43
alterego	It seems rather random doesn't it ..	12:43
alterego	I bet there's an issue with the final few.	12:44
Termana	GeneralAntilles, they are obviously using the Sorting Hat because their sorting logic is obviously magical	12:44
alterego	I bet I've fucked something, or something.	12:44
khertan	GeneralAntilles, no logic i think	12:44
cpscotti	morning all! any news on our beloved "DEVELOPER EDITION" devices?	12:44
Termana	N950INDOR!	12:44
alterego	cpscotti: "No Programs" for me :P	12:45
* divan got the mail finally.		12:45
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alterego	Looks like my post shut that guy up that wants to port symbian to the N900 :D	12:48
Termana	DocScrutinizer, they sent you an email with the tracking number when they sent it didn't they?	12:48
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wazd	I bet all IRC messages from n950 will DEVELOPER EDITION look like this	12:51
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alterego	Heh	12:51
alterego	My dream of getting it this weekend to hack on has now exploded. :(	12:51
cpscotti	alterego, well.. I got the launchpad but nooothing further.. hehe.. This wait's getting fun	12:52
xkr47	I have never ever before heard of dreams "exploding"	12:52
xkr47	but now I have!	12:52
cpscotti	I think everybody thought it would take "hours" after seeing the name on that list.. a bit nonsense.. but people thought that	12:52
alterego	If I got the launchpad I wouldn't be so edgy, but not having any feedback at all is, well, annoying.	12:52
wazd	cpscotti, alterego: I've been waiting for my n900 for more that half a year :)	12:53
wazd	relax :)	12:53
cpscotti	xkr47, if you imagine a comic strip with a guy dreaming and the dream inside a tiny ballon/cloud, then exploding makes complete sense :D	12:53
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alterego	Well, I said wednesday, and it seems I was very closev as a lot of people got launchpad yesterday.	12:53
alterego	so ..	12:53
alterego	for me I'm thinking two weeks wednesday, when Quim comes back from holiday ..	12:54
xkr47	cpscotti, true :)	12:54
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cpscotti	hahaha	12:57
cpscotti	lalala	12:57
cpscotti	got an e-mail	12:57
cpscotti	"A Nokia N950 is waiting for you"	12:57
alterego	You're a bitch	12:57
* alterego 's eyes start welling up.		12:58
alterego	why????!!!?!?!	12:58
alterego	:)	12:58
amti	surprisingly there isn't even one on sale at ebay	12:58
Termana	alterego, smile? did you just get it? :p	12:58
Termana	or was that a typo?	12:58
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amti	I guess that had something to with alter ego :)	12:59
dm8tbr	is the email from an *nokia.com domain?	12:59
divan	dm8tbr, yep	12:59
* dm8tbr needs to fine tune his pressure horn email rule ;)		12:59
divan	dm8tbr, no.reply-developer@nokia.com	12:59
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sandst1	wohoo, e-mail came here too \o/	12:59
wazd	alterego: http://sadviolin.com/ :)	13:00
thresh	yeah, problem solved	13:00
thresh	poor soldering was the issue	13:00
ruskie	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/07/european_patent_office_says_amazon_oneclick_payment_too_obvious_to_patent/ <-- hehe	13:00
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cpscotti	e-mail is from "no.reply-developer@nokia.com"	13:00
wazd	alterego: my soundtrack for this chat :D	13:00
cpscotti	reading the agreement now.. kinda cool	13:01
cpscotti	no reverse engineering :)... all that funky stuff	13:01
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khertan	500 Euro if you break it	13:01
cpscotti	yeh..	13:02
wazd	khertan: that's kinda cheap for exclusive fancy smartphone, especially in russia :)	13:02
cpscotti	khertan, I went directly to that point	13:02
cpscotti	if you break it or lose it or get it stolen..	13:02
khertan	And do not rant about all bugs everywhere as it s preview beta software. and you have all the important terms. So nothing strange	13:02
khertan	wazd, :)	13:02
khertan	wazd, i agree	13:03
khertan	cpscotti, and when order placed ... now wait for delivery tracking number ;)	13:03
wazd	wwoooo, got an e-mail!	13:04
wazd	not from nokia though :(	13:04
cpscotti	funny enough you can pick "Quantity" in the order page	13:04
Termana	wazd, oh come on dude, I was all excited for you then :( :p	13:04
cpscotti	I checked .. only one	13:04
wazd	Termana: aw cmon, everybody knows that I'll receive it somday in august :D	13:05
Termana	cpscotti, I was too excited to care about checking if it showed anything more :p	13:05
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cpscotti	Termana, lol! I'm on excited "take care not to do any mistakes" mode.. and that incurs in checking every box, every item..	13:07
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lardman	yay, device ordered :)	13:09
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wazd	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EQ6eHeBrhM	13:10
Termana	wazd, put those sad violins away :p	13:11
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khertan	cpscotti, i ve checked too ;)	13:13
khertan	cpscotti, for qtity ;)	13:13
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wazd	Termana: I've tried, I just can't :(	13:14
khertan	lardman, :)	13:14
wazd	:)	13:14
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cpscotti	:D	13:15
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crashanddie	anyone got a google+ account?	13:21
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crashanddie	or invite, rather.	13:21
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wazd	crashanddie: you can't register there anyway	13:23
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wazd	crashanddie: it says "registration is temporary disabled" or something like that	13:24
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crashanddie	I heard that with invites it still worked.	13:24
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wazd	nope :(	13:24
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wazd	well, not for me, maybe Nokia just told Google not to like me too :D	13:24
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* pavi is bored of all N950 talk .. why don't people talk about maemo 5 or better maemo 6 on N900 !		13:29
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wazd_n800	Hehe)	13:30
wazd_n800	Still works like a charm :)	13:31
* pavi has just bought an N900 and is excited		13:31
wazd_n800	Congrats :)	13:31
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jonwil	Maemo6 on N900 is never going to happen	13:38
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DocScrutinizer51	that's obvious	13:40
pavi	why ?	13:42
pavi	lack of firmware?	13:42
jonwil	No reason you cant make apps using QT that are source compatible with N900/N950/N9 if not binary compatible	13:42
nid0	well mainly because it doesnt exist	13:42
jonwil	Maemo6 on N900 would require Nokia to port it	13:43
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jonwil	something they are not going to d	13:43
jonwil	do	13:43
pavi	Yeah heard that nokia is shutting doors	13:44
jonwil	nope, they are not	13:44
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jonwil	They are building Windows Phone 7 handsets	13:44
jonwil	and Symbian is far from dead	13:44
jonwil	ok, Good News Everyone, with the exception of 1 or 2 functions, cloning the vibrator plugin looks fairly simple to do	13:45
jonwil	It should be possible :)	13:45
pavi	Yeah I mean shutting doors for maemo .. /me hated the whole meego story	13:45
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jani	jonwil: meego community edition is not that different than stuff on n9&n950 .. dunno much about ce but basestack should be the same anyway and but its not really a porting process, just compilation issue and propably what nokia wants to do..	13:47
jani	unrelated to that.. want to the nokia store yesterday to fix my sons phone and asked about broken usb on n900 .. girl on the counter said "Yeah, just bring it in and we'll send it to factory repairs, it will come back as N8 most cases" :D	13:48
pavi	lol	13:49
ruskie	hahaha	13:49
jonwil	I think if your N900 has a broken USB, its best to find somewhere that can gaurantee a repair	13:49
jonwil	its better to have to pay to get it fixed	13:49
ruskie	or DIY	13:49
jonwil	diy if you know how yeah	13:50
nid0	the best place to send an n900 in the uk is CPW	13:50
jonwil	than to send it in for warranty and get a far inferior phone	13:50
nid0	they still have plenty of them, so can presumably replace them fine if need be	13:50
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jonwil	The N8 is a pathetic phone	13:50
jani	i have 3 n900's so im not really in need .. comment was just hilarious.	13:50
jani	jonwil: with stb shell its comes abit better atleast ..	13:50
jonwil	one N900 is all I need and can afford	13:51
jani	sorry, spb	13:51
jonwil	but I dont want it to be replaced with something crap running Symbian	13:51
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nid0	you're in luck then, because it gets replaced with something really nice running symbian	13:52
jonwil	Anything running Symbian is crap in my eyes :P	13:52
nid0	if it's the symbian bit that's the problem, well, bummer. sell the n8 and buy an n900	13:52
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ruskie	hmm fun... just checked at a local online store... 500eur for a new n900... but there are 10 5 star reviews and one 3 star	13:54
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jonwil	in any case I intend to be as careful at possible to ensure my N900 doesn't get damaged at all	13:57
jonwil	In particular, I will not have my N900 plugged into the USB if the phone is anywhere I could bump it or knock it off	13:57
Hurrian	jonwil, why not just secure the usb port?	13:57
jonwil	does that require opening the phone?	13:57
Hurrian	yes	13:58
jonwil	I dont want to open it since its still under warranty and I might need to get it replaced (even if its a N8) should it break in a way that cant be repaired completly	13:58
jonwil	i.e. where the only option is replacement	13:58
Hurrian	ah	13:58
Hurrian	k	13:58
[DarkGUNMAN]	guess i've been lucky mu usb slot has been resilient	13:59
robbiethe1st	Bah. You're not a nerd if you're warranty's intact!	13:59
[DarkGUNMAN]	screen hasn't weathered so well. need a replacement	13:59
robbiethe1st	I've voided my warranty about oh... a half-dozen ways.	13:59
Hurrian	iirc nokia doesnt bother to check mtd1	14:00
robbiethe1st	Including everything from iverclocking, to opening the device up, to soldering on the board(replacing the RTC battery), etc.	14:00
robbiethe1st	aand replacing the screen.	14:00
Hurrian	hmm, anyone know of the n900's slider mechanism (not the flex) breaking?	14:01
DocScrutinizer51	jonwil: if you let the ruggedizing get done by a certified nokia repair center, then this wouldn't void warranty AIUI	14:02
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robbiethe1st	Hurrian: Never heard of it happening.	14:02
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pavi	Is it possible to emulate multitouch to zoom into a map ?	14:02
Hurrian	DocScrutinizer , we can have the USB securing done?	14:02
Hurrian	...at a Nokia Service Center?	14:03
Hurrian	pavi , don't like the spin to zoom?	14:03
pavi	nopes	14:04
Hurrian	too bad, resistive screen in n900 cant do multitouch	14:04
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pavi	emulate it ?	14:06
Hurrian	how?	14:06
Hurrian	mouse + screen?	14:06
DocScrutinizer51	Hurrian: depends if your service center is willing to do the "repair"	14:07
jonwil	Only problem with getting USB port upgrade done at Nokia Care is that A.They probably wouldn't have a clue how to do it or what I am talking about B.Even if they do it, it will cost lots and take lots of time (probably a week or more)	14:08
DocScrutinizer51	Hurrian: if they do, it's 'in name of Nokia' and they for sure won't deny warranty due to this work	14:08
jonwil	and I cant be without a phone for that long if I can avoid it	14:08
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jonwil	in any case I am not worried about my USB port right now	14:08
Hurrian	++ , although USB replacement for wobbling USB can be done "in the back" according to the service manual	14:08
DocScrutinizer51	my care point here could do it next day	14:08
Hurrian	hmm, mite b useful to bring in your own part	14:09
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jonwil	I dont think my care center actually does fixes, just replacements or "send off to somewhere for repair"	14:09
jonwil	repair/analysis	14:09
Hurrian	otoh, can you have the micro-b connector replaced for a OTG-compliant connector?	14:09
DocScrutinizer51	Hurrian: yes	14:10
DocScrutinizer51	you could replace by AB	14:10
jonwil	in any case I am not going to do anything to my phone (or have anything done to my phone) unless something doesn'	14:10
jonwil	doesn't work	14:10
jonwil	and needs to be fixed to get my phone going	14:10
* alterego sighs		14:10
alterego	"No programs"	14:10
alterego	I'm contemplating pinging quim, before he goes on holiday ..	14:11
robbiethe1st	Hurrian: It's possible to sort of emulate multitouch on single-touch devices: When you place one finger somewhere on the screen, then another elsewhere, the cursor will jump half-way between them. You can recognise the jump(as the button's "held down", and then monitor the distance for your gesture.	14:11
robbiethe1st	Try opening the paint application, and trying it.	14:11
robbiethe1st	place one finger somewhere on the screen, then take the second and touch+move it around, watch the cursor move.	14:12
Hurrian	anyways, we should probably sticky on the forum: USB Problems? take it to nokia care, it's a problem that doesn't need a light swap as long as the connector hasn't snapped off	14:14
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DocScrutinizer51	robbiethe1st: not really working for a true mt replacement	14:15
robbiethe1st	No, but it could be used for a psudo-pinch gesture.	14:15
DocScrutinizer51	pinch is especially hard to detect	14:16
Hurrian	DocScrutinizer, so an AB part with similarly spaced connectors can be used as a drop-in replacement for the N900, without hooking the ID pin to anything?	14:16
DocScrutinizer51	you got no clear data indicator for pinching gesture on a r-ts singletouch	14:17
DocScrutinizer51	yes, as ID is broken anyway, so it's meaningless. Don't expect OTG to magically start working on swapping the receptacle	14:18
robbiethe1st	Well, in our case, it would be a matter of saving the touch position(when you first touch), then the jump position. If the current position(as you move it) falls closer to the start position than the jump position, it's a pinch-in. if it's "outside", it's a pinch out.	14:18
DocScrutinizer51	Hurrian: what do you mean by 'not hooking ID to anything'?	14:19
Hurrian	ID pin	14:19
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DocScrutinizer51	yeah pin	14:19
Hurrian	docscrutinizer , just makes using OTG a lot easier then, using normal OTG cables instead of USB data cable + F-F adapter	14:19
DocScrutinizer51	still nfc	14:20
DocScrutinizer51	yes	14:20
DocScrutinizer51	the ONLY difference	14:20
DocScrutinizer51	alas H-E-N doesn't (yet?) autodetect OTG-A plugs via ID	14:21
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DocScrutinizer51	we could throw together a daemon that checks the ID sysnode, for the rare cases where somebody managed to actually get ID grounded	14:23
DocScrutinizer51	mostly useless effort	14:24
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DocScrutinizer51	usual micro-B plugs don't allow to meddle with ID pin	14:24
DocScrutinizer51	on all datacables ID is not connected	14:25
Hurrian	hmm, in N9 news, "also it will not be sold in many of Nokia's biggest markets outside of Europe like Brazil, India, Indonesia, Philippines, South Africa etc."	14:25
Hurrian	>not sold in Philippines	14:25
Hurrian	oh nokia, what the fuck?	14:25
Hurrian	you should see WP7 sales here, HTC Mozart, the most heavily promoted WP7 device, is tanking like fuck	14:26
ruskie	hehehehe	14:26
ruskie	and why is that a surprise really?	14:26
Hurrian	N8 = super popular, BECAUSE IT HAS 12 MPXLZZZZZZ	14:26
* ruskie tries not to barf from the MP crap		14:27
DocScrutinizer51	12 Mpiexsl	14:27
Hurrian	oh, and chinese dual sim crap phones have stopped selling because of the Nokia dual sim phone	14:27
DocScrutinizer51	;-P	14:27
Hurrian	nokia has to fucking wake up, and realize that 90% of the population here are Nokia die-hards	14:27
wazd	wooo! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4ouPGGLI6Q	14:28
Hurrian	i bet some people will flip a huge shit when they buy a nokia phone and it runs WP7	14:28
ruskie	no nokia has to wake up and figure out that wp7 is a lost cause	14:28
Hurrian	"durr i'm a 50 year old executive, and WTF is this, i have to scroll around to see more text"	14:28
Hurrian	you just really have to see the amount of cash they're willing to pay to have their Communicators fixed	14:30
alterego	bbl	14:30
dm8tbr	honk honk honk fanfare	14:32
* dm8tbr just got an email :D		14:32
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jonwil	Nokia needs to realize that its biggest and most important customer base are the people who have been using Nokia handsets since the days when a Nokia handset was a dumbphone with a black & white screen	14:33
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javispedro	hmpf	14:35
javispedro	no device shipped yet, chances of overnight delivery evaporating.	14:35
ruskie	jonwil, aka the core audience ;)	14:35
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GeneralAntilles	javispedro, seems like Jaffa's hit the DHL warehouse pretty late.	14:35
lardman	javispedro: have you received some sort of notification?	14:35
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javispedro	lardman, nope other than order confirmed.	14:36
lardman	DHL thing?	14:36
lardman	same here	14:36
javispedro	According to DocScrutinizer we should receier a order sent	14:36
Hurrian	jonwil : while true, do jonwil++	14:36
* lardman crosses fingers it happens today, would be good to have for the weekend		14:36
Hurrian	symbian basically looks exactly the same as it was on the black + green LED phones	14:36
Hurrian	left button, messaging	14:37
Hurrian	right button, contacts	14:37
Hurrian	center button, menu	14:37
javispedro	GeneralAntilles, good to know, but Jaffa is relatively near origin point ;)	14:37
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wazd	so, you can't blog about n950? :)	14:40
Hurrian	wazd, do it anonymously	14:40
javispedro	though according to amazon's tracking story it's just 30 minutes from deutschland to spain =)	14:40
javispedro	I wonder if they installed a maglev and I didn't notce	14:41
ruskie	javispedro, travel time sure... all the extra time... probably not	14:41
javispedro	exactly	14:41
ruskie	by airplane	14:41
javispedro	well	14:41
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javispedro	even by airplane 30 is too little	14:41
javispedro	*fast.	14:41
ruskie	it is?	14:41
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javispedro	there's this country called france in between.	14:42
javispedro	some third party reports say it's small	14:42
javispedro	but I digress.	14:42
ruskie	well aircraft tend to travel at quite a high rate ove movement	14:42
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javispedro	google says 2h 20 minuts flight time	14:44
DocScrutinizer51	javispedro: hehe	14:44
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DocScrutinizer51	indeed I guess it takes at least 45 min from german to spanish air domain	14:45
DocScrutinizer51	not so for LasPalmas	14:45
ruskie	javispedro, maybe they are counting from border to border only	14:46
ruskie	not take-off to landing	14:46
DocScrutinizer51	ruskie: that's my 45 then	14:46
nid0	2h 20's way too long take off to landing unless its the very north-east of germany to the south-west of spain	14:46
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javispedro	yes, google seems to be giving a quite conservative estimate..	14:47
ruskie	nid0, or center-center	14:47
ruskie	or maybe capital-capital even	14:47
nid0	stansted (north of london) to frankfurt-haahn is less than an hour flight time, germany > spain's not twice that	14:47
wazd	My order has been received :)	14:49
javispedro	nid0, according to gmaps is exactly double the mileage	14:49
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javispedro	london<->frankfurt 643, barcelona<->köln 1120	14:50
javispedro	s/exactly// ;)	14:50
nid0	must be a biplane or something making the trip for google's timing then :)	14:51
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DocScrutinizer51	javispedro: as marble miserably fails, I just guess mere distance air to air frontier is lt 900km, so max 1h	14:53
nid0	yer google's timing's well conservative, it lists stn to hhn as 75 minutes rather than 47	14:53
javispedro	GeneralAntilles, reconfigure disco lights for DDP's order sent message!	14:55
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* javispedro realizes that because of the amazon guy he's not had breakfast today, thus the low productivity		15:02
javispedro	cya and may the DHL courier bless you.	15:03
Corsac	gnagnagna	15:03
Corsac	some us weren't nokia-blessed first	15:03
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* jonwil wishes someone would write a map app for the N900 that can do the cool public transport stuff that the new Google Maps app can		15:28
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jonwil	I would try it except I dont know where I can get the maps data or how to render said maps data	15:35
* jhb wonders: is there a way to open more then one email at a time in modest?		15:40
jhb	(or have one open for reading while writing a new one?)	15:41
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gomiam	jhb: no idea. I changed to using claws	15:45
gomiam	much more comfortable, IMO	15:45
gomiam	if only I could turn all the modest-related shortcuts to claws...	15:46
cpscotti	hey, anyone using QtMobility/Bluetooth there? Am I the only one that thinks QBluetoothServiceDiscoveryAgent should have an additional constructor?	15:46
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cpscotti	(namely: QBluetoothServiceDiscoveryAgent(const QBluetoothDeviceInfo&, QObject *parent = 0); .. )	15:49
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ptplus	Has there been any discussion at all about getting Gnome3 running on N900?	15:52
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jhb	gomiam: I like the touch interface of modest a bit better	15:59
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ptplus	i've been trying to get gnome3 running on easy-debian but i haven't had much success	16:00
gomiam	jhb: yes, but dealing with lots of mail is somewhat a pain	16:01
gomiam	and... claws has a spam filter IIRC.	16:01
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DocScrutinizer51	jhb: in modest? probably not	16:13
DocScrutinizer51	modest completely useless for serious mail processing	16:14
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DocScrutinizer51	~botsnack	16:19
infobot	DocScrutinizer51: thanks	16:19
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer51: is there a command to determine how hungy infobot is?	16:20
DocScrutinizer51	she's always hungry	16:20
merlin1991	:D	16:20
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DocScrutinizer51	ok, heading home, towards 950 surgery	16:24
Shapeshifter	I'm trying to install community SSU but if I click "install testing", HAM only added the repo but nothings more happens. It just sits there. If i try again, it's the same, it just opens HAM and does nothing.	16:24
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DocScrutinizer51	errr, the suggested procedure was to close HAM and click on the icon then?	16:25
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Shapeshifter	DocScrutinizer51: what icon? there's nothing.	16:26
jhb	DocScrutinizer51: valid point about the uselessness, but I haven't found a decent alternative	16:26
Shapeshifter	DocScrutinizer51: HAM didn't install anything	16:26
BCMM	i just found the abook-dtmf package; i presume the idea is to hold the phone up to a landline's microphone and use it as a speed-dial?	16:26
jhb	DocScrutinizer51: but thx for the info about it not being possible	16:27
Shapeshifter	mh. actually, I think it's completely broken, because now there's "no catalogues in use"	16:27
DocScrutinizer51	Shapeshifter: I'm unsure about 'testing' anyway	16:27
jhb	BCMM: it actually works	16:27
jhb	BCMM: only with analog phones though - my dect phones are not interested in dial tones	16:27
rm_work	hey, woo N950 shows up on my DDP page	16:27
Shapeshifter	DocScrutinizer51: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU that's what it says here	16:27
rm_work	GeneralAntilles: everyone done now?	16:27
BCMM	thing is, most of my numbers are stored starting +44 rather than 0 (so they work with skype)	16:27
GAN900	rm_work, not so far as I can tell.	16:28
rm_work	GAN900: ah and there's the email	16:28
BCMM	anyone know if starting a UK number with 0044 cause it to be billed as if international?	16:28
merlin1991	Shapeshifter: ham should install the "community ssu enabler"	16:28
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merlin1991	it takes some time after hitting the install though	16:28
jani	BCMM: i have a dedicate device to to dtfm signals from way back when ... =)	16:28
BCMM	jani: just the regualar keypad, or some extra keys? :)	16:29
jhb	BCMM: there is an option to configure the international prefix	16:29
rm_work	anyone else notice "No Reverse Engineering. You may not (or allow others to) disable, disassemble, decompile or reverse engineer the Product or determine the source code of any code that is not delivered to You by Nokia in source code format. You may not (or allow others to) enable any logic or protocols in the Product that are disabled when delivered to You by Nokia. "	16:29
rm_work	>_>	16:29
Shapeshifter	merlin1991: mh, I reopened HAM and now it seems like it's thinking about something when I hit install. I'll just manually install this enabled	16:29
Shapeshifter	*enabler	16:29
rm_work	do we just not care?	16:29
BCMM	jhb: thanks; where is it?	16:29
DocScrutinizer51	Shapeshifter: ask MohammadAG	16:29
merlin1991	Shapeshifter: if it doesn come up but you have the repo added, manually install community-ssu-enabler	16:29
Termana	rm_work, that has been discussed here and on the forum	16:29
rm_work	k	16:30
merlin1991	then run it from the launcher and proceed with ham	16:30
Termana	ignore it, agree your life away	16:30
rm_work	lol	16:30
jhb	BCMM: contact -> play dtmf -> options	16:30
rm_work	k...	16:30
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rm_work	already agreed not to say anything publicly negative about anything Nokia for 50 years	16:30
rm_work	how much worse can it get	16:30
BCMM	jhb: oh thanks; i'd looked straight past that button, assuming it was "ok" or something	16:30
jhb	BCMM: been there :-)	16:30
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Shapeshifter	merlin1991: mh, now it worked	16:31
DocScrutinizer51	rm_work: see my post in forum.meego	16:31
Shapeshifter	HAM is just being HAM.	16:31
BCMM	jhb: i'm not entirely sure how that helps; though	16:31
jhb	BCMM: I have not confirmed it, but I would bet that it translates the + to e.g. 00	16:31
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BCMM	jhb: Indeed, ATM, it's playing 00441..... for a UK phone number starting +441...	16:32
BCMM	jhb: what i was wondering is whether that works on a typical BT landline; and also whether it causes it to bill it like an international call	16:32
rm_work	GAN900: well I guess it's on its way	16:32
rm_work	yay for whatever roll of the dice made mine be today	16:33
DocScrutinizer51	bbl	16:33
jhb	BCMM: no idea about bt, but all it does is replacing your dial pad on the phone. So its the same as a manually dialed called	16:33
jhb	call	16:33
fiferboy	alterego: Any movement on the Launchpad front?	16:34
BCMM	jhb: yes, i know. the problem is that my numbers are stored like +441234 567890, as opposed to the 01234 567890 i would usually dial	16:34
BCMM	there is no option to just replace the +44 with a 0; so i'm wondering if 0044 works in the UK, and if it charges normally	16:35
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jhb	I guess you can replace the '00' in the options by '0'	16:35
BCMM	(numbers are stored that way so they work with skype out, which naturally doesn't understand which country 01234 567890 is supposed to be in)	16:35
jhb	BCMM: ^	16:36
nid0	01*, +441* and 00441**** are all the same, makes no difference whatsoever which you dial while in the uk	16:36
BCMM	jhb: yes, but then it would be 0441234 567890	16:36
BCMM	nid0: thanks. was just slightly worried that they might bill it as if international or something	16:36
BCMM	also, isn't + just a shorthand for "whatever your country uses to mean international"?	16:37
jhb	BCMM: I finally understand your issue, and I agree with nid0	16:37
BCMM	sorry for explaining it badly	16:37
nid0	BCMM, yeah + is just a replacement for (in the uk) 00, they function the same	16:37
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BCMM	anyway, this could actually be really useful. thanks for the explanation	16:38
jhb	BCMM: sorry for being slow to understand. But I agree, seems to be useful	16:40
MySpaez	disobey the legislators and the bureaucrats	16:42
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rm_work	DocScrutinizer51: having trouble finding the post you referred to	16:54
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jani	btw, do i remember right that for diablo or chinook there was also fm broadcast application that was done by community ?	16:57
rm_work	no, n8x0 did not have an FM transmitter	16:57
rm_work	or do you mean just an FM Radio app?	16:57
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jani	maybe .. just remembering that there was some sort of easter again for fm stuff with tables and not sure if it was receiver ot broadcaster ;)	16:59
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cityLights	hi all	17:00
cityLights	I remeber someone here said - they use gentoo	17:00
cityLights	I seek to install xen to get scratchbox	17:00
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cityLights	can anyone lend a hand?	17:00
BCMM	jani: there are some things around to overcome intentional limitations of the fmtx, if that's what you mean	17:00
rm_work	i've only done Xen on Debian Squeeze	17:00
BCMM	there's a tool to enable it on harware where it is disabled, and another tool to transmit at a higher power than it is supposed to do	17:01
cityLights	<rm_work> : do you ue lvm?	17:01
BCMM	cityLights: why do you need xen for scratchbox?	17:01
cityLights	to get a seperate vol for each domU?	17:01
rm_work	yes but i kind of just stumbled through a guide for the initial setup :/	17:02
rm_work	don't think i'd be much help in that area	17:02
BCMM	cityLights: i run scratchbox on gentoo without using any kind of VM	17:02
jani	those are for n900 right ?	17:02
cityLights	Ihi BCMM	17:02
cityLights	right ,	17:02
rm_work	yeah, the scratchbox stuff just sits in a folder on your OS... don't need a VM...	17:02
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BCMM	(well, there is the processor emulation used in scratchbox to run ARM binaries, but other than that)	17:02
cityLights	I want to build for my n900 and prefer to use a domU	17:02
BCMM	cityLights: yeah, scratchbox doesn't emulate a full os with a kernel and so on; it's just regular processes running in a chroot	17:03
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BCMM	cityLights: (except that some of those processes may actually be ARM binaries executed using user-mode qemu)	17:03
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BCMM	cityLights: wait, you want to install ubuntu or something in a VM and run scratchbox on that?	17:04
trx	i use that when on Win32	17:05
trx	Ubuntu in VirtualBox	17:05
trx	then run scratchbox inside..	17:05
BCMM	cityLights: am i correct in thinking that your end goal is to run scratchbox, in order to compile stuff for the n900?	17:05
cityLights	right	17:06
cityLights	but , I have other causes	17:06
BCMM	cityLights: if i were you; i'd just install scratchbox on gentoo. would you like to know how?	17:06
cityLights	not now BCMM	17:07
BCMM	ok	17:07
BCMM	i should really write it down somewhere actually	17:07
cityLights	so did anyone install xen and can help me with that?	17:07
merlin1991	BCMM: can one emerge scrachbox on gentoo?	17:08
cityLights	after I build the dom0 kerenl - I am unable to boot it	17:08
cityLights	yes, he did	17:08
BCMM	merlin1991: pretty much; yes	17:08
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cityLights	I think he also , published the ebuilds	17:08
BCMM	merlin1991: what i did was basically http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#On_x86_and_x86_64_Debian-based_systems with a few modifications	17:08
BCMM	worked fine	17:08
BCMM	i should document it properly	17:08
cityLights	assuming I missed the N9 dev application by 12 hr, then emailed	17:08
cityLights	may I still get a N950?	17:08
merlin1991	BCMM: just add a section about gentoo on that wiki page	17:09
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cityLights	pls	17:09
BCMM	merlin1991: don't know why i didn't think of that when i first did it. probably nervous about editing the wiki	17:09
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wazd	fiferboy: have you got an e-mail?	17:10
fiferboy	wazd: I got it this morning	17:11
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wazd	fiferboy: cool :)	17:11
fiferboy	wazd: What about you?	17:11
wazd	fiferboy: yep, me too. Though I don't have any tracking numbers to drool on yet :D	17:12
fiferboy	wazd: No, me neither.	17:13
BCMM	merlin1991: are you a gentoo user wanting to install scratchbox? would be be prepered to test my instructions if i write them up?	17:13
fiferboy	I'm not looking forward to its trip through the over-zealous Canadian Customs, though	17:13
merlin1991	BCMM: I was a gentoo user, I was only wondering if you could simply emerge it or if there was some more black magic needed	17:13
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jonwil	I was able to emerge Scratchbox	17:14
wazd	fiferboy: oh yeah, almost same as russian. Except that russian costom is searching for anything to steal	17:14
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jonwil	but you need to unmask the right bits	17:14
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BCMM	merlin1991: about as much black magic as the manual debian instructions i linked	17:19
BCMM	replace apt-get with emerge (and packages are slightly differently named)	17:19
BCMM	and then gentoo doesn't need a group created becuase the ebuild does it; but it does need an init script added to the default runlevel	17:20
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fiferboy	wazd: That is worse. Canadian are just looking for anything to tax	17:22
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macmaN	Jaffa: have you disabled background data at all on your n950? it annoyingly pops up the internet connection screen after every wakeup	17:23
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DocScrutinizer	it's really funny the N950 doesn't react at all to doubletap when laying flat on a desk. You'd need to tap hard to make the accelerometer detect it ;-D	17:32
Corsac	hmhm, but on capacitive it doesn't matter how hard you tap, does it?	17:32
DocScrutinizer	it doesn't use capacitive quite obviously	17:33
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Venemo_N900	hey!	17:34
Venemo_N900	I got an e-mail: "A Nokia N950 is waiting for you!"	17:35
[DarkGUNMAN]	afternoon Venemo_N900	17:35
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Venemo_N900	and a "Your order has been received"	17:35
jonwil	anyone here know anything about /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_vibra/pulse or how it works?	17:35
jonwil	Or where I can find out what the driver behind it does with the numbers?	17:36
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jonwil	btw, good to hear that those waiting eagerly for news on their N950s have mostly gotten the news they were waiting for	17:37
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rm_work	hrm, n950 I thought was going to be capacative? for multitouch?	17:38
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Venemo_N900	rm_work, yeah, methinksso	17:39
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DocScrutinizer	sure	17:43
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DocScrutinizer	s[2011-07-07 16:32:17] <DocScrutinizer> it's really funny the N950 doesn't react at all to doubletap when laying flat on a desk. You'd need to tap hard to make the accelerometer detect it ;-Dure	17:43
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Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer, how do you like it so far?	17:44
DocScrutinizer	the funny part however is that doubletapping with e.g a pencil also doesn't unlock	17:44
frals	DocScrutinizer: its not accelerometer based afaik ;)	17:45
frals	DocScrutinizer: doubletapping soft when its on a desk unlocks it just fine	17:45
DocScrutinizer	frals: so why does it not react at all when laying flat on table?	17:45
frals	soft as in barely making contact with the screen	17:45
ali1234	sounds like you got a broken one	17:45
frals	DocScrutinizer: it does for me	17:45
DocScrutinizer	not here	17:45
Venemo_N900	hmm	17:46
Jaffa	macmaN: I've not disabled it, nor do I get that screen everytime. But I usually have a connection - e.g. wifi or 3G	17:46
DocScrutinizer	as soon as I lift it a itsy bit so it can move on tap it unlocks	17:46
DocScrutinizer	frals: your table has a cloth?	17:46
DocScrutinizer	:-D	17:46
frals	DocScrutinizer: nope, its my hydraulic work desk ;-)	17:47
Corsac	yours's naked? perv!	17:47
DocScrutinizer	weird	17:47
frals	DocScrutinizer: maybe your finger is just incompatible with the touchscreen ;-)	17:47
rm_work	docscrutinizer: couldn't find the meego forums post you referenced about the nokia dev license	17:48
DocScrutinizer	there's sth weird going on with touchpad	17:48
DocScrutinizer	it needs the contact from other hand to case	17:48
flux	docscrutinizer, have you tried deactivating it with something other than what the capacitive display can detect?	17:48
DocScrutinizer	frals: your workbench conducting?	17:49
frals	DocScrutinizer: uh, i hope not :D	17:49
frals	its some kind of standard issue tree desktop top i guess	17:49
DocScrutinizer	well, I definitely need to hold the device with my other hand, otherwise touch not detected	17:50
Venemo_N900	Doc, are you on da latest sw?	17:50
frals	id put it on my rubbercover here but then its gonna start moving around	17:50
DocScrutinizer	flux: [2011-07-07 16:44:57] <DocScrutinizer> the funny part however is that doubletapping with e.g a pencil also doesn't unlock	17:50
PolarFox	kill the stupid capacitive screen... sucks when your phone is in a holder on the car dash...	17:51
flux	docscrutinizer, it could always be a combination, if the accelerometer is cheaper to keep on than the capacitive display.	17:51
PolarFox	and only reacts when it wants to.. :)	17:51
frals	DocScrutinizer: i remember there have been issues with doubletap not being quite as accurate as one would wish in earlier builds thou	17:51
DocScrutinizer	flux: that's what I thought first	17:51
frals	and i guess the build you have is 22-6 it might have been there	17:52
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DocScrutinizer	sth weird is going on with this doubletap-unlock	17:53
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DocScrutinizer	none of my initial assumptions holds true	17:53
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DocScrutinizer	anyway N950 is definitely MONO	17:56
Corsac	mono?	17:56
DocScrutinizer	I.E. one speaker (though admittedly a good sounding one)	17:56
Corsac	ah, mono	17:56
Corsac	:)	17:56
Corsac	stereo on a device which is like 10cm large doesn't make much sense anyway	17:57
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SpeedEvil	I discovered yesterday that you can actually get a not-useless stereo sound from the n900	17:57
DocScrutinizer	always my take on it as well, Corsac	17:57
SpeedEvil	Place it on top of your head.	17:57
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: I did that, indeed	17:57
DocScrutinizer	:-D	17:57
flux	and thus was top-listening invented	17:58
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DocScrutinizer	while kaying in bed on my back	17:58
sp3000	SpeedEvil: with or without pancake?	17:58
DocScrutinizer	laying	17:58
sp3000	(and rabbit)	17:58
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DocScrutinizer	aegis:: developer mode disabled and re-enabled without flaws	17:59
DocScrutinizer	without reboot	17:59
DocScrutinizer	strange	17:59
DocScrutinizer	I guess even the developer mode has different modes, and generally isn't as open as you'd think it is	18:00
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DocScrutinizer	it's not like developer mode would make aegis lose control of device	18:00
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DocScrutinizer	I wonder where's the friggin x-term	18:01
DocScrutinizer	quite obviously not in standard set op app icons - or I'm blind	18:01
Scifig	Doc - x-term is not shipped with the default image. You have to install it. I donno from where.	18:02
SpeedEvil	There is 'terminal' - in all of the RDA phones	18:02
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DocScrutinizer	indeed - I'm blind	18:03
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rm_work	i wonder if there is fingernail polish i could wear that would make my fingernails work with capacative screens	18:04
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SpeedEvil	rm_work: yes	18:04
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rm_work	i hope it isn't super shiny T_T	18:04
rm_work	where do i get this, and will i look ridiculous wearing it? >_>	18:04
SpeedEvil	http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Conductive-silver-glue-paint-/110708855088?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19c6c31130	18:05
rm_work	FSCK, silver, lol	18:05
SpeedEvil	oh	18:05
rm_work	omg even worse, it's glittery silver	18:06
rm_work	(looks like, hard to tell)	18:06
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flux	maybe a narrow line in the interior of the fingernail would do :)	18:08
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Shapeshifter	The CSSU is pretty cool. nice job.	18:10
timeless	derf: thanks	18:10
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sp3000	timeless: hey	18:12
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[DarkGUNMAN]	CSSU is just missing portrait desktop as a miain feature now	18:12
sp3000	you seem to reliably ping when I'm in the work-to-home void ;)	18:12
timeless	h3h	18:14
timeless	is this a good time for better ping-pong?	18:14
* timeless still hasn't mastered the kinesis keyboard..		18:14
timeless	sp3000: so... can i get you to adopt mxr.meeg?	18:14
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sp3000	I'm not sure I can make any guarantees but I suppose I could poke at it from time to time if fires break out	18:16
timeless	now would be a good time	18:17
timeless	i'm told that certain things aren't updating	18:17
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timeless	and yeah, you shouldn't need to poke at it regularly, just occasional fires	18:18
sp3000	yeah, I saw some mail	18:18
timeless	if you could jump into the loop, that'd be great	18:18
timeless	thanks :)	18:18
sp3000	is the loop on fire?	18:18
timeless	have you been on proper vacation?	18:18
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timeless	well, someone threatened to decomission the system if an owner didn't appear	18:18
timeless	that'd be like the box getting fired..	18:18
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sp3000	I vacation in about two weeks	18:19
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timeless	anything special planned?	18:20
* timeless needs to find some specs to read		18:20
sp3000	never :)	18:20
* timeless chuckles		18:21
* timeless wonders if anyone has told Google that news.google.com [us edition] crashes ie10preview2		18:21
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timeless	ok, it's definitely the youtube previews and not fastflip	18:24
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timeless	oddly, "Spotlight Video" plays for a bit	18:29
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GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, what was the timeline of your order placement and shipping notification?	18:30
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timeless	http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201107/daredevil-squirrel-performs-ultimate-lambo-leap	18:31
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gri	DocScrutinizer51: no delivery yet?	18:33
DocScrutinizer	http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10131?sort=0	18:34
gri	network timeout :/	18:35
fiferboy	DocScrutinizer: Was there a long time between the "Your order has been received" and the "Your order has been sent" emails?	18:35
DocScrutinizer	2h	18:36
fiferboy	Thanks	18:36
GeneralAntilles	fiferboy, wonder whose got shipped today.	18:37
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rm_work	i may have been like an hour too late	18:38
gri	mine not since the "order has been received" email was at 15:14 (fi time)	18:38
rm_work	:(	18:38
GeneralAntilles	12:04 here.	18:39
khertan	no order has been sent	18:39
rm_work	was i like the last one here to actually order it? lol	18:39
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: Maybe yours will be the one they ship tomorrow	18:40
GeneralAntilles	Makes it all a little irrelevant.	18:40
fiferboy	rm_work: Mine was ordered at about the same time	18:40
DocScrutinizer	GAN900: safe?	18:40
GeneralAntilles	Never safe. No, never safe.	18:41
DocScrutinizer	meh, Nuernberg is known	18:41
DocScrutinizer	otherwise... safe?	18:41
DocScrutinizer	otoh who cares about a finished obsolete DHL tracking	18:42
khertan	:)	18:42
timeless	GeneralAntilles: did you see http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-07-07-caylee-anthony-petition_n.htm?csp=34news ?	18:43
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DocScrutinizer	I bet you all prefer tracking your own package	18:44
GeneralAntilles	timeless, ugh.	18:44
GeneralAntilles	More laws. Just what we need.	18:44
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DocScrutinizer	the notification from DHL about the tracking number took quite some time after Nokia said "shipped"	18:44
timeless	you mean you don't support 1 new law for each person who dies in the USA?	18:44
GeneralAntilles	You know your rights are in danger when people name laws after dead kids.	18:44
mancha	on an n8x0, have diablo on int flash and chinook on external sd. product info no longer reports version info when i boot chinook. is there a way to correct this?	18:45
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, Nokia still says "New Order".	18:45
DocScrutinizer	:-(	18:45
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: I had to open the original order confirmation URL, from my browser history	18:45
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fiferboy	Maybe they send out a huge batch at the end of the day and haven't updated the status	18:45
nid0	I wish more delivery firms were like dpd, only decent parcel delivery service in the uk tbh	18:45
* fiferboy is thinking wishfully		18:46
DocScrutinizer	anyway the mails from nokia were "instant"	18:46
javispedro	hah, wishful thinking	18:46
mancha	i'm sure this has come up before, anyone here know the why and the how to correct on this issue?	18:47
javispedro	gentlemen, I am already with the idea that no device this weekend ..	18:47
khertan	ordered at 11:26 ... still not sent :)	18:47
hiemanshu	btw, orderd my N950	18:48
hiemanshu	khertan: you too?	18:48
alterego	Just had an email from quim, they can't find me on the developer site, #win	18:49
khertan	there is now way to verify status ?	18:49
khertan	alterego, lol	18:49
hiemanshu	alterego: lol sad	18:49
wazd	guys, quick UX test. What's better this: http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/1107/82/dba5742921db.png	18:49
khertan	this dev site look like a crappy bulk of small development collapsed with some microsoft glue	18:49
hiemanshu	khertan: they would usually do it first thing in the morning tomorro	18:49
* javispedro blames alterego, surely due to his problem he has been distracting the launchpad clerck and thus no shippings this afternoon.		18:49
hiemanshu	tomorrow*	18:50
wazd	or this? http://i041.radikal.ru/1107/05/1a89873ae7e0.png	18:50
wazd	toolbar	18:50
khertan	wazd, ... hum ... i think i really need your help to help me design khteditor :)	18:50
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alterego	Heh, yeah, the whole of Nokia is trying to sort out my account now :P sorry	18:50
khertan	wazd, i prefer the first	18:50
DocScrutinizer	A Nokia N950 is waiting for you-2011-07-06 08:58 Your order has been received-2011-07-06 10:33 Your order has been sent-2011-07-06 12:43 Ticket for order OID-0527-From:"joan.bondad@nokia-2011-07-06 12:44 DHL Intraship - Shipment notification-FROM:"joan.bondad@nokia-"joan.bondad@nokia	18:51
nid0	wazd, firsr one imo	18:51
khertan	wazd, faster with less click ... and i didn't like menu in toolbar	18:51
javispedro	wazd, iphone-style tabs ( ;) ) not only seem to be more useful but alsomandated by swipe guidelines	18:51
wazd	khertan: don't you think it will be hard to tap on tabs on the n900?	18:51
timeless	wazd: can you gaurantee you'll never have > 3 items at the bottom?	18:51
timeless	and are you concerned about localization issues?	18:51
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khertan	wazd, not specially ... look at khweeteur it s work well	18:51
wazd	timeless: that's why there's "more" button on the right :)	18:52
DocScrutinizer	....2011-07-06 14:31	18:52
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khertan	wazd, the harder is the slider	18:52
timeless	wazd: oddly, the drop down list is likely to fail more often	18:52
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timeless	wrt internationalization	18:52
GeneralAntilles	wazd, the tabs.	18:52
Venemo_N900	meh!	18:52
timeless	because the text there can easily be longer, and due to its larger font	18:52
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: nothing yet?	18:52
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hiemanshu	GeneralAntilles: and you?	18:52
timeless	it'll run out of space faster	18:52
GeneralAntilles	hiemanshu, ordered, no shipment notification	18:52
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: yours was shipped right away?	18:52
hiemanshu	GeneralAntilles: ah same here	18:53
timeless	iow, tabs are better	18:53
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, local time or Finnish time?	18:53
khertan	timeless, wazd , icon is enough ... no need text	18:53
DocScrutinizer	local	18:53
hiemanshu	GeneralAntilles: I orderd mine about an hour back, wonder if it will ship today or tomorrow	18:53
DocScrutinizer	so -1 to finish	18:53
mancha	GeneralAntilles i recall your nick from way back...any suggestions for me?	18:53
DocScrutinizer	er +1?	18:53
Venemo_N900	hiemanshu, they received my order an hour ago	18:53
timeless	khertan: that's another story	18:53
Venemo_N900	the meh was for something else	18:53
khertan	timeless, :)	18:53
DocScrutinizer	finnish*	18:53
GeneralAntilles	mancha, N8x0-era stuff is all gone from my brain.	18:53
timeless	but yeah, if back and more don't have text	18:54
timeless	then you probably shouldn't stick text in for the others	18:54
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: ah nice	18:54
wazd	khertan: sure about labels? :)	18:54
timeless	wazd: fwiw, friends should be 2 or 3 heads, not one	18:54
mancha	GA, who here still runs stuff from the jurassic period then?! :)	18:54
Venemo_N900	I was able to get my money back for my faulty HDD (that I purchased this morning)	18:54
timeless	and news might be better as a newspaper icon	18:54
GeneralAntilles	So, N950 waiting email was received at 11:56 (Finnish), Order Placed at 12:04	18:54
GeneralAntilles	No further communication.	18:54
Venemo_N900	but, all the shops here close at 17:00 (as if life just stopped at that time), so I couldn't get another one!	18:55
khertan	GeneralAntilles, same here	18:55
gri	I received "waiting for you" an hour after ordering - like all mails from nokia ...	18:55
wazd	timeless: yeah, these are just placeholders stolen from swipe UX doc :)	18:55
khertan	gri, also :)=	18:55
timeless	wazd: sure	18:55
hiemanshu	GeneralAntilles: I got mine, 15 mins after I left home fed up of doing the F5 shit, that was about noon .fi time	18:55
mancha	does qwerty still come here?	18:56
Venemo_N900	so I guess they'll ship it next week?	18:56
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: tomorrow?	18:56
Venemo_N900	hiemanshu, at friday?	18:56
wazd	also hidden "online only" switch at the top seems neat to me but I don't know how to initialy introduce it to the user	18:56
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: why not?	18:56
wazd	maybe some animation sequene	18:56
GeneralAntilles	mancha, he rage-quit.	18:56
wazd	ce*	18:56
mancha	woah	18:57
Venemo_N900	hiemanshu, so you think we'll get it tomorrow?	18:57
timeless	wazd: i'm not sure i see value in it	18:57
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: no shipping tomorrow, so it will arrive by monday	18:57
timeless	if you're already sorting by online status, then who cares?	18:57
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: or if the place its being sent to works on saturdays	18:57
mancha	what raged him?	18:57
timeless	if you aren't sorting by online status, then what are you sorting on, and why?	18:57
wazd	timeless: well, I was thinking about alphabet order instead	18:58
GeneralAntilles	mancha, Nokia, I guess.	18:58
mancha	hah	18:58
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timeless	wazd: the n900 let me choose	18:58
Venemo_N900	hiemanshu, I'm not sure if DHL works on weekends.	18:58
mancha	ok, thanks, will try here some other time.	18:58
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timeless	but roughly, i'm probably going to want to care about online status only if i want to sort by it	18:58
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timeless	otherwise if i want alphabetic order, i don't want people appearing/disappearing as i go	18:58
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: friday is not a weekend	18:59
wazd	timeless: between status and alphabet?	18:59
timeless	iow there's no reason to hide offline users	18:59
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: and they work on weekends, just no delivery	18:59
timeless	because if you sort by online status, then the offline people are at the bottom (generally out of view)	18:59
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: atleast in India they do	18:59
khertan	hiemanshu, http://forum.notebookreview.com/dell/157332-does-dhl-deliver-saturday.html	18:59
timeless	and otherwise, they're with everyone else	18:59
wazd	timeless: well, there is if you have zillion of users	18:59
timeless	which is where they should be	18:59
Venemo_N900	hiemanshu, so what are they doing? if no delivery?	18:59
timeless	wazd: i only have 1000	18:59
timeless	it's never been a problem	18:59
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: moving between airports and warehouses	18:59
wazd	timeless: my IM contact list has offline users hidden :)	18:59
Venemo_N900	hiemanshu, but no deliveries... damn.	19:00
timeless	wazd: my AIM list 15 years ago had a group for offline which i could expand/collapse	19:00
wazd	timeless: heh :)	19:00
timeless	if you want to do:	19:00
hiemanshu	Venemo_N900: in India they work even sundays yeah	19:00
timeless	<active [collapsable]>	19:00
GeneralAntilles	Cutoff might be 12:00 for outgoing orders.	19:00
timeless	<idle [collapsable]>	19:00
timeless	<dnd [...]>	19:00
timeless	<offline [...]>	19:00
timeless	feel free	19:00
timeless	there's minimal harm in that	19:00
timeless	a single widget at the top of the list otoh is harmful	19:01
GeneralAntilles	Hrm, although if this guy's in Poland: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Kdrozd - Device Ordered - 6.7.2011 13:45: Last Status: Device Sent to Customer 6.7.2011 13:45 . . .	19:01
hiemanshu	GeneralAntilles: true, well will have my monday so YAY!	19:01
timeless	making me scroll all the way to the top of my online list	19:01
timeless	just to unhide a list at the bottom	19:01
timeless	is ... stupid	19:01
wazd	timeless: maybe you're right :)	19:01
timeless	i'm just noting how AIM/ICQ did things years ago	19:02
timeless	their ui designers weren't wrong	19:02
hiemanshu	so the DHL india site tells me the delivery is by end of the next day	19:02
timeless	(their corporate people otoh chose to be bought/sold a couple of times, which was a different problem)(	19:02
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GeneralAntilles	hiemanshu, next BUSINESS day, usually.	19:03
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hiemanshu	GeneralAntilles: in India, saturday is a business day	19:03
hiemanshu	GeneralAntilles: so if its ships tomorrow, I should have it by saturday	19:03
wazd	timeless: I'm not sure if Swipe UX has such thig as collapsable group	19:04
Venemo_N900	hiemanshu, so if nokia sends the device tomorrow, I'll get it monday. since it's international shipping, that may be tuesday.	19:04
DocScrutinizer	one last thing before I head out: you asked how I like it - well, no app close :-(. No uSD slot :-(. 8GB MyDocs :-( I feel like I could fall in love with kbd and don't like capacitive ts, invariably. No text highlight and c&p anywhere (well that's probably prone to change as this is PROTOTYPE)	19:04
timeless	wazd: note sure what Swipe is	19:04
alterego	hiemanshu: they always say a week, but it's usually next day if ordered before 3pm	19:04
timeless	s/note/not/	19:04
infobot	timeless meant: wazd: not sure what Swipe is	19:04
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timeless	but generally most things do have such a widget	19:04
timeless	it's basically a section header which is tappable	19:04
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer, so it's a dislike so far?	19:05
hiemanshu	alterego: yes, since I ordered it around 6PM .fi time, It will be shipped tomorrow, and I should it by saturday or monday	19:05
timeless	if it doesn't have it, you can cheat and do:	19:05
DocScrutinizer	mostly	19:05
timeless	<option [on-off]>	19:05
DocScrutinizer	but that's my PoV	19:05
timeless	<list - only visible if option is on>	19:05
timeless	<option ...	19:05
alterego	hiemanshu: yeah :)	19:05
wazd	timeless: fancy name for Harmattan UI :)	19:05
timeless	... list>	19:05
timeless	<repeat>	19:05
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer, mhm	19:05
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer, no app close? wut?	19:05
timeless	wazd: certainly BlackBerry has this widget	19:05
hiemanshu	alterego: if its in my town, I wouldn't mind picking it up from anywhere in BLR :P	19:05
DocScrutinizer	the ME and ID is awesome	19:05
timeless	as does windows	19:06
rm_work	man, all the people that are commenting "shame it doesn't run something useful like Win7" make me want to give up on life	19:06
hiemanshu	alterego: mind you, my city end to end is about 40-ish KMs	19:06
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Venemo_N900	timeless, is it true that you quit Nokia? I recall hearing that from someone.	19:06
alterego	Heh	19:06
DocScrutinizer	the GUI is basically not that bad	19:06
timeless	Venemo_N900: I work for RIM	19:06
DocScrutinizer	GUI designers did a hell of a job	19:06
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: so how do you like your N950 so far?	19:07
alterego	DocScrutinizer: that's like a major certification coming from you :P	19:07
DocScrutinizer	except missing c&p ;-)	19:07
Venemo_N900	timeless, ahh, so it's true	19:07
alterego	heh	19:07
rm_work	shouldn't it be RiM?	19:07
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rm_work	>_>	19:07
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, tap and hold on task switcher to close applications.	19:07
DocScrutinizer	swipe-from-top to close apps and I might like the GUI	19:07
timeless	rm_work: for whatever reason, it isn't	19:07
rm_work	strange	19:08
fiferboy	DocScrutinizer: Apparently you can turn that on somewhere	19:08
DocScrutinizer	that's why I say it	19:08
fiferboy	It is off by default AFAIK	19:08
Venemo_N900	timeless, is it any better than Nokia?	19:08
gri	didn't someone say "not in the current firmware" (the close swipe)	19:08
timeless	Venemo_N900: quite a bit	19:08
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timeless	but Nokia set such a low standard...	19:08
Venemo_N900	timeless :)	19:08
Venemo_N900	was it that bad?	19:09
fiferboy	gri: I hadn't heard that, but it could be true	19:09
hiemanshu	did MohammadAG order his yet?	19:09
wazd	timeless: http://s47.radikal.ru/i117/1107/de/7389bc4b1e28.png	19:09
* DocScrutinizer is going to take this Odyssey2001 Monolith to next pup and having a dinner o/		19:09
DocScrutinizer	pub*	19:09
wazd	timeless: but I don't know if it's collapsable or not	19:09
timeless	wazd: add a pill to collapse it	19:09
khertan	wazd, and removing the bounded rectangle arround the back button ?	19:10
wazd	khertan: that's against UX rules :)	19:10
timeless	http://www.top4download.com/softwareimages/ptzpfksf.png'	19:10
timeless	s/'/ /	19:10
infobot	timeless meant: http://www.top4download.com/softwareimages/ptzpfksf.png	19:10
GeneralAntilles	gri/fiferboy/DocScrutinizer, think it's in a later firmware.	19:10
rm_work	yesplz	19:10
timeless	http://images.six.betanews.com/screenshots/1005820960-1.gif	19:11
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: I know about tap&hold in taskswitcher - nuisance	19:11
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wazd	timeless: yeah I know what you're talking about but I don't know if I can make it with default widgets :)	19:11
GeneralAntilles	The swipe-to-close.	19:11
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DocScrutinizer	yo	19:11
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timeless	just showing that it's a fairly standard ui convention for such a task	19:11
Venemo_N900	that'd be more convenient without haping to tap&hold methinks	19:11
timeless	wazd: you can implement it by just letting people tap the title to collapse	19:12
hiemanshu	wazd: you know Jolie 0_0	19:12
timeless	(assuming your UX toolkit designers are idiots and didn't provide a proper widget)	19:12
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DocScrutinizer	one last thing... what was the magic incantation to become root on aegis platform like m6?	19:14
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Corsac	DocScrutinizer: isn't there a menu for that?	19:14
wazd	hiemanshu: yep, 'ol pals :)	19:14
DocScrutinizer	WUT?	19:14
hiemanshu	wazd: get me a date with her pretty please :D	19:15
timeless	aegis-bless? :)	19:15
Corsac	DocScrutinizer: in “security” or something, you can enable root acces, afair	19:15
DocScrutinizer	nope	19:15
Corsac	DocScrutinizer: or you can send it to me and I'll do it for you :)	19:15
wazd	timeless: yep, one of the options	19:15
DocScrutinizer	frals: ping	19:16
DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: ping	19:16
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: ping	19:16
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DocScrutinizer	was it aegis-exec?	19:16
DocScrutinizer	su doesn't work for usual reasons, no sudo	19:17
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: ssh root@localhost?	19:17
SpeedEvil	I ssh'd into it at root@localhost	19:17
DocScrutinizer	eeeek	19:17
SpeedEvil	then rootme as a password	19:17
hiemanshu	^	19:17
DocScrutinizer	thanks	19:17
SpeedEvil	ah	19:17
hiemanshu	that works on RDA atleast	19:17
SpeedEvil	yeah	19:18
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: and there is devel-su or developer-su something	19:18
DocScrutinizer	devel-su \o/	19:18
DocScrutinizer	hiemanshu: thanks pal!	19:19
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hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: found a way to kill aegis yet?	19:19
DocScrutinizer	you prolly can't	19:20
DocScrutinizer	anyway devel-su works	19:20
DocScrutinizer	bbl	19:20
timeless	hiemanshu: root@ shouldn't work	19:20
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timeless	because "root" isn't actually "root"	19:20
hiemanshu	timeless: it does	19:20
timeless	it shouldn't	19:20
timeless	it certainly didn't at one point..	19:20
hiemanshu	shouldn't yes, it does though	19:20
vdv	does flashing n900 with combined affect phonebook?	19:21
timeless	vdv: "combined" means "supports non shipping hardware"	19:21
timeless	(more or less)	19:21
DocScrutinizer	vdv: no	19:21
timeless	your phonebook is either in the SIM or in a part of your home directory	19:21
timeless	that part should be in your eMMC	19:21
timeless	which isn't part of "Combined"	19:21
DocScrutinizer	vdv: nevertheless make a backup	19:22
vdv	ok, thanks	19:22
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timeless	but yeah, make a backup	19:22
vdv	i've did already :)	19:22
timeless	also, be aware that reflashing results in strange state for any apps which are optified	19:23
timeless	(which should be most of them)	19:23
Jaffa	DocScrutinizer: pong	19:24
DocScrutinizer	su, solved	19:24
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khertan	Wahuo ... i really made a huge progress with QML ... 5 hours today to reproduce a QToolBar with QPushButton with label or icon ... QML is really an amazing framework for loosing time	19:28
alterego		19:28
timeless	khertan: s/loosing/losing/	19:29
fiferboy	alterego: Pardon?	19:29
timeless	and official speak for that is "spending" :)	19:29
fiferboy	12:28 < alterego>	19:29
khertan	thx timeless :)	19:29
DocScrutinizer	TX4 :-o	19:29
hiemanshu	it would be awesome to have a Nokia Meego Tablet, /me dreams about one	19:29
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timeless	hiemanshu: s/Meego/MeeGo/g	19:30
hiemanshu	timeless: hey you nazi, MEH	19:30
* hiemanshu runs		19:30
* timeless objects to the term		19:30
* timeless lodges a formal protest		19:30
timeless	(shooting first would be tantamount to accepting the accusation)	19:31
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DocScrutinizer	achipa: I did proper unboxing. How to actually push my fingernail in somewhere?	19:32
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hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: 1) grow your nail, 2) make it sharp 3) push it in 4) ?????? 5) profit :D	19:32
DocScrutinizer	MEH!	19:34
hiemanshu	lol	19:34
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gri	DocScrutinizer: only n950 + manual + usb cable in the box? (on your pictures)	19:38
DocScrutinizer	yep	19:38
DocScrutinizer	crappy ca-159 cable	19:39
DocScrutinizer	ca-101 is way nicer, in my book	19:39
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javispedro	No N950 waiting for you today!	19:50
DocScrutinizer51	GAN900: shuttle tomorrow? got postponed?	19:50
GeneralAntilles	Supposed to rain for the rest of the week.	19:51
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javispedro	Nor tomorrow!	19:52
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piggz	\o/ got my order confirmation today :)	19:54
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hiemanshu	piggz: shipped?	19:55
trx	mine isn't sent yet :/	19:55
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trx	i guess ill have to wait until monday for it to arrive	19:56
hiemanshu	trx: almost nobodys got shipped today	19:56
RST38h	Moo all	19:56
hiemanshu	trx: so should be done first thing tomorrow I expect	19:56
RST38h	So, anythingnew and exciting going on? First N950s out?	19:56
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trx	yeah..	19:56
trx	RST38h DocScrutinizer got his n950	19:57
RST38h	Ah	19:57
hiemanshu	RST38h: and ours willl ship tomorrow mostly	19:57
piggz	hiemanshu: las t status is 'order recived'	19:58
hiemanshu	piggz: so yeah, ships tomorrow morning mostly	19:58
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GeneralAntilles	RST38h, some Polish dude got his N950 shipped.	20:01
GeneralAntilles	That's new.	20:01
hiemanshu	piggz: so now the F5 shifts to the order status page, then the DHL page, and finally sitting on the pavement with the laptop :P	20:01
RST38h	hm	20:01
hiemanshu	GeneralAntilles: today?	20:02
GeneralAntilles	Yeah,	20:02
hiemanshu	GeneralAntilles: any idea what time?	20:02
GeneralAntilles	http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia	20:02
GeneralAntilles	See the bottom	20:02
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GeneralAntilles	Krzysiek Drozd	20:02
GeneralAntilles	13:45	20:02
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GeneralAntilles	Dunno if that's local or Finnish.	20:02
piggz	hiemanshu: its gonna be hard...im away from home next week on a course so i wont get it!!!!!!!!!	20:03
hiemanshu	piggz: thats just bad	20:03
hiemanshu	GeneralAntilles: he ordered it the yest right	20:03
GeneralAntilles	Ah, he did indeed.	20:04
GeneralAntilles	Damn ISO dates.	20:04
javispedro	I'm sure they have run out of money overnight delivery either way.	20:04
javispedro	*for.	20:04
hiemanshu	javispedro: whats the status with your N950?	20:04
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hiemanshu	and nokia running out of money, lol no, M$ will pay them to make more phones	20:05
javispedro	same as yours and GeneralAntilles, we're on the same batch for some reason.	20:05
javispedro	(aka LP yesterday, today device ordered)	20:05
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hiemanshu	mine was LP the day before	20:05
hiemanshu	but yeah, hoping they ship it tomorrow morning	20:06
alterego	"No programs" :(	20:06
javispedro	ah well.	20:06
javispedro	alterego, we are not getting them this week either.	20:06
piggz	so, i put an n900 app on ovi store for 1e several months ago...i got ~40 sales total, so i made it free 3 days ago, and have had almost 200 downloads.....bloody tight n900 owners ;)	20:07
javispedro	piggz, which app, ifyou are willing to share?	20:07
piggz	http://store.ovi.com/content/84103	20:08
hiemanshu	so can we use the devices we get even to test the commerical apps? (other than the OSS stuff I write)	20:08
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piggz	i dont know....but there is nothing wrong with selling oss stuff on ovi store, so long as the source is available afaict, think of it as performing the compilation/packaging service ;)	20:10
GAN900	piggz, we're used to free applications.	20:10
piggz	yeah, its amazing the difference being free makes	20:10
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piggz	my master plan is to write some shitty games, make millions on ovi store, then spend the rest of my life contributing to oss work free :)	20:14
jonwil	getting somewhere with cloning some MCE plugins.	20:15
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jonwil	Gotta stop being distracted by old Warner cartoons on YouTube though :P	20:15
MohammadAG	who got an email today?	20:15
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: I did, so did GeneralAntilles, piggz, javispedro etc	20:15
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piggz	jonwil: you gould get distracted with 'the key of awesome' on youtube...i reccomend it	20:16
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: nothing yet?	20:16
MohammadAG	Guess I won't be getting it soon	20:16
piggz	hiemanshu: it will come :) ... be happy that even tho i have my email, you will get your phone first as i am away next week :(	20:16
piggz	s/ hiemanshu / MohammadAG	20:17
MohammadAG	I'm away for a month	20:17
MohammadAG	so no, you'll actually get it first	20:17
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hiemanshu	MohammadAG: when do you go away?	20:17
MohammadAG	sunday	20:17
MohammadAG	monday/tuesday max	20:17
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: ship yours to me, I'll send it back laterz :P	20:17
MohammadAG	sure	20:18
piggz	what is the support for plain qt like on harmatten?	20:19
piggz	is the meego touch theme included to make it nice?	20:19
hiemanshu	nope	20:19
hiemanshu	only qt-componenets	20:19
jonwil	so basically you cant write vanilla QT ala Fremantle?	20:20
piggz	oh	20:20
jonwil	you have to go through QML?	20:20
piggz	that suck a little	20:20
hiemanshu	jonwil: no QWidgets aren't themed	20:20
OkropNick	is a proper cable enough to connect to N900 pendrive or some hacks are needed?	20:20
hiemanshu	so its QML only	20:20
jonwil	ok, so the answer then is for someone to take the Harmattan QWidget code and add bits to make it themed :P	20:21
piggz	well, that adds a new dimension to my project	20:21
hiemanshu	OkropNick: if you make the connection yes, you sually need the female usb to female usb	20:21
piggz	jonwil: meegoce has meegotouch theme	20:21
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OkropNick	hiemanshu: thanks	20:21
hiemanshu	piggz: jonwil: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3520	20:21
javispedro	piggz, and it shipped with the harmattan sdk, but nokia seems to want to remove it to encourage qml adoption	20:22
hiemanshu	piggz: that is unmaintained, so being removed	20:22
piggz	hiemanshu: i thought someone was taking it on again	20:22
hiemanshu	piggz: me and khertan were, but there will no harmattan support, so MEH	20:22
hiemanshu	piggz: learn qt-components instead, ?????, PROFIT :D	20:23
piggz	hmmm	20:23
javispedro	either way ,due to the way harmattan works, using qwidget is as native as using gtk+	20:23
piggz	im all for that	20:23
hiemanshu	jonwil: right	20:23
hiemanshu	err	20:23
hiemanshu	javispedro: ^	20:23
piggz	but, i have to qwidget based apps to port, somehow	20:23
piggz	ah well, it adds a new dimension	20:23
javispedro	maemo has thousand gtk+ apps ;)	20:24
cehteh	hundreds :P	20:25
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gri	so will qt-components support the same customization possibilities as meegotouch? like "the theme decides where the back/close button is"?	20:27
gri	(have no idea where to ask/google)	20:27
hiemanshu	gri: you could do a full screen widget, and draw it yourself	20:28
jonwil	I know of a number of maemo apps that render their own close button	20:29
gri	I meant a different behavior	20:29
gri	for example I have meego ce on the n900 with the meego ce theme and start widgetsgallyery: close button on top right and back button on top left	20:30
gri	when I copy the blanco theme from qemu to meego ce, the close button disappears and the back button goes to bottom left like on the n9	20:30
javispedro	gri, evidently, with qml you are the owner of your client area, and the client area on harmattan is the entire screen.	20:30
piggz	hiemanshu: all may not be lost for qt/c++ ... http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/m/meegotouch-qt-style/	20:30
hiemanshu	piggz: well you can use QML with C++	20:30
piggz	yes, i know, and have	20:31
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piggz	but, for one lagacy project i have it will be v v difficult	20:31
hiemanshu	piggz: well lets see how that goes once I get my device	20:31
piggz	(kexi database viewer on mobile devices)	20:31
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hiemanshu	yeah, I need quassel2go and rewriting it in QML is meh	20:31
piggz	i could write the ui in qml, but the report viewer paints onto a qwidget (which would be possible in qml..), but the autoform plugin for mobile devices is qwidget based	20:32
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gri	javispedro: It doesn't matter if I own the client area ... does qt-components handle the same theme behavior like meegotouch?	20:34
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maemo	hello	20:36
MohammadAG	WTF	20:36
khertan	gri, no ideatically ... but harmattan qt component take care of harmattan theme ...	20:36
MohammadAG	hiemanshu, N950 in devices list	20:36
MohammadAG	but no email	20:36
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: hah	20:36
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hiemanshu	MohammadAG: well let me email you my address, so you can ship it to me :P	20:36
khertan	gri, meego tablet component take care of meego tablet component	20:36
MohammadAG	wow, expensive	20:36
khertan	gri, fragmentation ... :)	20:36
MohammadAG	0.00	20:36
hiemanshu	expensive?	20:36
hiemanshu	:P	20:37
Pauly_	who got the n950 yet?	20:37
hiemanshu	Pauly_: DocScrutinizer, Jaffa, X-Fade and quite a few of us while it in a few days	20:37
MohammadAG	hiemanshu, yes	20:37
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: order it :D	20:38
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hiemanshu	MohammadAG: and it should ship tomorrow mostly	20:38
Pauly_	yeah, well i got the n900 haha only fifty numbers away	20:38
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javispedro	gri, yes.	20:38
javispedro	hiemanshu, optimist again.	20:38
Venemo	is there a way I can review the NDA for the N950 again?	20:39
gri	This means qml apps and meegotouch apps on harmattan look the same - and also on meego ce?	20:39
hiemanshu	javispedro: DocScrutinizer's shipped within 10 mins	20:39
gri	Venemo: In your developer settings	20:39
hiemanshu	javispedro: ordered yest, got it today morning, so yes, optimistic here	20:39
alterego	javispedro: they can't seem to find my nokia developer account :/	20:39
hiemanshu	Venemo: go to orders, click on it, there should be agreements something	20:39
Venemo	hiemanshu: where is "orders"?	20:40
hiemanshu	Venemo: ddp page	20:40
Pauly_	hows the webkit browser?	20:40
gri	javispedro: So qt-components puts the back button on top left on meego-ce theme?	20:40
Venemo	hiemanshu: which is the ddp page? for sure, it's not https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml	20:40
MohammadAG	infobot, n950order	20:40
infobot	i heard n950order is https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-)	20:40
javispedro	Venemo, there's no NDA for N950, there's only: a) generic NDA for Launchpad b ) "generic agreement" for N950.	20:40
hiemanshu	Venemo: ^	20:40
MohammadAG	hiemanshu, after entering the address	20:40
Venemo	ah!	20:40
javispedro	a) can be seen on Profile, b can be seen in order page.	20:40
MohammadAG	there's no "Confirm order"?	20:41
Venemo	thx hiemanshu and MohammadAG	20:41
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: there should be an email	20:41
javispedro	MohammadAG, there's both a confirm order and order shipped mails	20:41
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javispedro	the latter of which has not arrived for a majority yet.	20:41
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: and yes there is a confirm order page, I even have a print out of it	20:41
hiemanshu	Venemo: https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/ProductOrders this page	20:42
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javispedro	gri, no =)	20:44
gri	:( I liked that about meegotouch ..	20:44
MohammadAG	hiemanshu, that's order confirmed	20:45
MohammadAG	I wanted something with a "Confirm order?"	20:45
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: yeah, no page in between	20:45
MohammadAG	something to confirm my payment	20:45
hiemanshu	you dont have to pay	20:46
hiemanshu	so no page in between	20:46
piggz	MohammadAG: did you read the terms?	20:46
MohammadAG	yes I do, 0	20:46
javispedro	you bank will confirm your $0 payment.	20:46
Pauly_	i want n8 lol	20:46
MohammadAG	piggz, no, I copied them into gedit, agreed, will read them after that	20:46
Pauly_	im jealouse i want an n950 :) have fun with it	20:46
MohammadAG	that way I can't decline, even if I want to	20:46
Pauly_	* afk	20:46
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: you can download it as a pdf	20:46
wazd	I want E6 :)	20:46
javispedro	MohammadAG, they say something about giving one of your kidneys to Elop, and you already agreed.	20:47
hiemanshu	I want a X7	20:47
javispedro	I want a N950.	20:47
piggz	and something about allowing to be made into a human centipede	20:47
javispedro	and you are all traitor-bastards ;P	20:47
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hiemanshu	javispedro: meh, my kidney is mostly alcohol by now, so really meh	20:47
wazd	but I have serious addiction to qwerty-candybars so don't listen to me :)	20:47
MohammadAG	I learned something about legal english	20:47
MohammadAG	when they say You	20:47
DocScrutinizer	there's no ovi share for n950, and no irc in messages	20:47
MohammadAG	it doesn't mean you, it means You	20:47
MohammadAG	there's no IRC client	20:47
javispedro	no surprises.	20:48
MohammadAG	there's communi	20:48
MohammadAG	build & run	20:48
javispedro	as Jaffa way more kindly put, it's completely useless for day to day usage ;)	20:48
wazd	MohammadAG: 16Gb, no IRC, screw them, I'm cancelling my order :D	20:48
hiemanshu	wazd: send it to me	20:48
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hiemanshu	wazd: ssh + irssi	20:49
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MohammadAG	javispedro, didn't I say that over PM to you the other day? :P	20:49
wazd	hiemanshu: what comes to Russia stays in Russia :D	20:49
hiemanshu	wazd: ssh + alpine	20:49
DocScrutinizer	MEH lockscreen font missing "9"	20:49
MohammadAG	LOL	20:49
wazd	heh	20:49
DocScrutinizer	>1 :4 <	20:49
javispedro	DocScrutinizer, lol, they weren't lying when they made that 3000 bugs estimation.	20:49
hiemanshu	lol	20:49
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wazd	DEVELOPER EDITION label has all necessary symbols though	20:50
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, this is probably to prevent 9:11 conspiracies	20:50
DocScrutinizer	1 :58 -> 1 :5 -> 20:00	20:50
MohammadAG	DEVELOPER EDITION is the most awesomest thing ever	20:50
hiemanshu	after elop	20:51
DocScrutinizer	o/	20:51
hiemanshu	also WTF @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-T_w_QXXms	20:51
MohammadAG	where's the DHL number?	20:51
wazd	hiemanshu: prank :)	20:52
hiemanshu	wazd: I know	20:52
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: you'll have to wait till it ships tomorrow	20:52
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: or whenever it ships	20:52
wazd	hiemanshu: he's rnot talking bout n9 actually :)	20:53
javispedro	it will ship the 32th	20:53
hiemanshu	wazd: yeah	20:53
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hiemanshu	javispedro: 32nd	20:53
javispedro	stupid subconscious thiking a way larger number.	20:53
hiemanshu	lol	20:53
DocScrutinizer51	the > . 1 . 20 <	20:54
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: fix it? reverse the 6, and put it in there :P	20:55
javispedro	Nokia N , isn't it ironic	20:55
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DocScrutinizer51	LOL	20:55
DocScrutinizer51	Nokia N 50	20:55
hiemanshu	javispedro: I cant wait for my Nokia 00 to not be exchanged for N	20:55
hiemanshu	s/not//	20:55
infobot	hiemanshu meant: javispedro: I cant wait for my Nokia 00 to be exchanged for N	20:55
Pauly_	?	20:57
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: hey dawg, I heard you like numbers, so we removed the biggest one we could find, love, Nokia	20:57
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hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: errr, should have been to you ^ :P	20:58
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frals	sometimes i wonder why they picked 22-6 to be the developer release.. :p	20:59
MohammadAG	frals, got any other version to sure	20:59
MohammadAG	share?* :P	21:00
hiemanshu	frals: isn't that the day after the N950 was announced?	21:00
hiemanshu	N9{,50}	21:00
frals	MohammadAG: no :p	21:00
MohammadAG	frals, don't worry, this channel isn't logged, much	21:00
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MohammadAG	see?	21:01
hiemanshu	frals: we could go to a new channel if you like to share the juicy details	21:01
frals	MohammadAG: and half of the userlist is nokians ;-)	21:01
hiemanshu	frals: new channel :P	21:01
MohammadAG	frals, they're idling :P	21:01
MohammadAG	Elop says, join ##n950leaks for more	21:02
MohammadAG	they probably ignore sentences with elop in them	21:02
frals	hiemanshu: and leave nothing for when everyone gets their hands on N9 in the store? never!	21:02
MohammadAG	frals, aww how nice of you	21:03
hiemanshu	frals: we are leaving something for them, its called hope	21:03
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Pauly_	i wants a n8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!	21:04
Pauly_	hey is browser good on n950 the new webkit one?	21:04
MohammadAG	frals, you know this best, is friday a workday in HEL?	21:05
frals	MohammadAG: tomorrow?	21:05
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frals	MohammadAG: yes	21:05
frals	MohammadAG: at least im quite sure im suppose to be at work tomorrow, like most fridays :P	21:05
MohammadAG	cool then it might ship tomorrow :D	21:06
hiemanshu	MohammadAG: yeah, hopefully, and saturday is a working day here, so I might have mine tomorrow, lets hope	21:06
hiemanshu	err day after*	21:06
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MohammadAG	can I track order status changes?	21:07
hiemanshu	once they are shipped yes, DHL should mail you the tracking number	21:08
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hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer: mind giving us a screenshot of your DHL tracking page?	21:08
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MohammadAG	hiemanshu, no need,	21:12
javispedro	so that you can go to his home address and steal his n 50, eh?	21:12
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MohammadAG	I was wondering if I can know when it's shipped :P	21:12
hiemanshu	javispedro: lol	21:12
hiemanshu	javispedro: I want to see if they do actual status updates like moved from airport to warehouse and shit	21:13
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MohammadAG	Ah	21:13
MohammadAG	so that's why the N900 prototype was called N 00	21:13
gri	Is there a shortcut in the harmattan scratchbox to close a program? Swiping there sucks as the top-down-close is not supported	21:15
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Smegman	is there linux for e71?	21:18
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javispedro	gri, Ctrl+C ;)	21:20
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gri	Isn't that supposed to be copy-to-clipboard?	21:21
gri	I don't start the program with the console, I meant a gui shortcut	21:22
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javispedro	gri, then, kill -TERM ;)	21:24
javispedro	because no, there's no gui shortcut that I know of.	21:24
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Scifig	Labels in my scratchbox are messed up after re-installing. I get all the variable names like weba_ap_web_b. Anyone help me fix this? Screenshot --> http://i.imgur.com/0m1ju.png	21:28
DocScrutinizer51	just if you wondered - face detection in N950 cam works	21:28
javispedro	DocScrutinizer, have you tried pointing it to a picture of trollface?	21:28
timeless	Scifig: you need a locale that's part of the env	21:30
timeless	you could install one (e.g. mine)	21:30
Scifig	timless: How do I install?	21:31
Scifig	timeless: How do I install?	21:31
timeless	well, for mine, you add my repo and install a locale (en-US/en-GB) :)	21:32
Scifig	yes please. What is your repo URL?	21:33
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DocScrutinizer51	hiemanshu: actually a guy of Nokia sends the DHL info	21:45
hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer51: how long between order sent and the actual dispatch?	21:46
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DocScrutinizer51	see my prev post of subject-[from-]date from the mails I got	21:47
DocScrutinizer51	2..4h	21:47
DocScrutinizer51	can't check right now	21:47
RST38h	Doc: So you got yours?	21:47
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hiemanshu	DocScrutinizer51: ah ok, np	21:47
DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: see my ovi URL I posted earlier	21:48
RST38h	I have notseen it, sorry - please repost	21:48
RST38h	Also haveyou got the URL for the Launchpad? I cannot find single launchpad page on developers.nokia.com =(	21:49
DocScrutinizer51	can't - mobile	21:49
RST38h	ah sorry	21:49
dm8tbr	https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 - this one?	21:49
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DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: chanlog - search joerg900	21:49
RST38h	Oh they wrote "dev kit" on the box...	21:50
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RzR950	my screen was all black :)	21:52
Shapeshifter	DocScrutinizer51: how do you like it?	21:52
pavvi-n900	Just opened my n900 connected via USB to my debian netbook which has no gnomre or KDE . It gets detected as sde and sdf but not sde1 or something else which I could use	21:52
pavvi-n900	Why cant I mount it directly	21:53
pavvi-n900	Phone is on memory storage mode	21:53
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RST38h	Doc: Did you get an email telling youto order it or did you just find itonthe launchpad site?	21:53
pavvi-n900	cmon cant I just connect my n900 directly via USB ???	21:54
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Shapeshifter	man. it's baffling that they don't want to sell some N950s	21:57
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hiemanshu	RST38h: I got an email and so did DocScrutinizer51, but MohammadAG didn't get any, so just check	21:59
hiemanshu	infobot: n950order	21:59
infobot	methinks n950order is https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-)	21:59
hiemanshu	RST38h: ^	21:59
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Smegman	sigh	22:02
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Smegman	'we made the greatest phone in the world'	22:03
Smegman	'but microsoft prohibits us from selling it'	22:03
Smegman	Finland needs a night of long knives	22:03
SpeedEvil	Blunt spoons	22:05
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pavvi-n900	fuck the future talk about my N900 which I got today	22:05
pavvi-n900	I damn want to mount it	22:06
NIN101	close all aps which could use the partitions you want to mount, including filemanager, and plug the usb in...	22:06
pavvi-n900	ok	22:07
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pavvi-n900	[ 6824.433137] scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access Nokia N900 031 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 [ 6824.433748] scsi 8:0:0:1: Direct-Access Nokia N900 031 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 [ 6824.448131] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk [ 6824.449634] sd 8:0:0:1: [sde] Attached SCSI removable disk	22:08
pavvi-n900	Thats it no sdc1 orr sde1	22:09
joga	I guess it doesn't show them as partitions	22:10
joga	that's ok though	22:11
pavvi-n900	mount: /dev/sde: unknown device	22:11
pavvi-n900	OMG finally was able to mount sdc	22:12
pavvi-n900	:)	22:12
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NIN101	So, threat your USB port on the N900 with care. I mean it.	22:12
pavvi-n900	NIN101: Yeah the pins look horrible	22:13
pavvi-n900	very hard to plug it in	22:13
NIN101	file them down.	22:13
Shapeshifter	btw, is it hard to resolder the port?	22:13
pavvi-n900	I think in the long run its safer to use the memory card	22:14
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sid_	where can i download http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr1-2_armel/flasher/2.8.2.1+0m5/ ? i cannot find a link to .deb file	22:18
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jacekowski	sid_: it's in nokia "secret" repo	22:23
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hiemanshu	pavvi-n900: read the dmesg output once you plug it in?	22:27
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pavvi-n900	hiemanshu: done , pasted it also	22:29
hiemanshu	pavvi-n900: what distro?	22:29
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pavvi-n900	hiemanshu: debian unstable , running fluxbox	22:30
hiemanshu	pavvi-n900: lsusb please	22:30
pavvi-n900	hiemanshu: anyways was able to mount it copy my music colletion and I am listeing Jiya Jiya dhadak chale from Kalyug !	22:30
pavvi-n900	hiemanshu: by the way mkv files are not supported by the default media player ?	22:31
hiemanshu	pavvi-n900: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Media_Support	22:31
pavvi-n900	Bus 001 Device 035: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode	22:32
pavvi-n900	hiemanshu: from lsusb	22:32
hiemanshu	pavvi-n900: is it working fine?	22:32
pavvi-n900	hiemanshu: Yeah I used the tip from NIN101 who said to close all apps	22:32
hiemanshu	ah	22:32
pavvi-n900	hiemanshu: Media supprt link from Maemo wiki doesnt give any info other than the list of supported formats	22:34
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pavvi-n900	Why not install vlc and get everything?	22:35
hiemanshu	not sure if there is vlc	22:35
pavvi-n900	ohh so I need to install http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian quickly	22:36
sid_	jacekowski: joking? sorry, but i do not find the package/binary for armel	22:42
Smegman	this is the best nick	22:42
hiemanshu	sid_: you want the kernel flasher? or the image flasher?	22:42
hiemanshu	also PR 1.2?	22:42
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sid_	in this case, both; my usb is broken and it can only boot from mmc. maybe i can repair the bootloader	22:44
sid_	if the binarys are staticly linked	22:44
sid_	... compiled	22:44
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jacekowski	sid_: it's in fiasco image	22:47
jacekowski	sid_: as far as i know that flasher can't flash nolo	22:48
hiemanshu	well you should be able to flash it from say meego booted from the SD card	22:49
hiemanshu	uSD*	22:49
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divan	friend of mine benchmarked ext4 on n900 and here is the result: http://pastebin.com/GxtYqftn	22:49
pavvi-n900	so ext4 is lot better	22:51
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hiemanshu	ofc, otherwise it wouldn't be called an upgrade	22:52
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ieatlint	well, i have an n950 firmware image but no n950 still :(	23:00
ShadowJK	divan, that's a disappointing benchmark suite :)	23:00
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divan	ShadowJK, because of zeroes? :)	23:01
ShadowJK	Because it only tests sequential write/read of a single file	23:01
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sid_	can someone please run "dpkg -S flasher"; delete .deb file from /var/cache/apt/archives/ and run "apt-get -d xxx" and send me the downloadlink	23:02
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deimos	sid_, this? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php	23:09
sid_	deimos: sorry, no. i need it for armel to run it from meego	23:10
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DocScrutinizer	javispedro: the M6 system widget for setting time and date is great (analog clock, calendar view) - but look at the QMLComp... example programs for app devels... :-S STILL F*CKNG slotmachine for time AND date, NO day-of-week	23:43
javispedro	it's an improvement from m5 at least ;)	23:43
javispedro	I will always remember the store clerk trying to play the time/date slot machine when first booting my recently repaired n900.	23:43
javispedro	he spent like 10 minutes on it.	23:44
javispedro	(and eventually set the wrong date...)	23:44
DocScrutinizer	Nokia/Maemo6 got it right, but Qt/QML is FUBAR once again	23:45
frals	difference in development time between the qml and the mtf one is quite big i imagine	23:45
DocScrutinizer	I probably need to finetune the assignment of my meego-bug, to clearly say QML for subsystem involved	23:46
frals	otoh the datepicker shouldnt be that hard to implement in qml, i guess	23:46
frals	clock would be annoying i guess, circles = :(	23:46
DocScrutinizer	frals: zenity --date	23:46
DocScrutinizer	frals: zenity --calendar actually<	23:47
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frals	at home on my win7 machine so have a feeling it wont do much good ;)	23:47
DocScrutinizer	:-P	23:47
javispedro	you will get a command or filename not found error which is always nice to get	23:47
DocScrutinizer	just had a chat with my friend who got iPhone. I know where from this idiocy came	23:48
khertan	frals, yep development time is really longer when doing qml thing	23:48
DocScrutinizer	mehehe	23:48
DocScrutinizer	I guess frals meant some different fact	23:49
frals	khertan: its usually shorter, but i was refering to how long the work has been ongoing to get the building blocks done in qml vs mtf	23:49
khertan	frals, usually ... hum hum hum ...	23:49
DocScrutinizer	QML timepicker widget: 2 mandays. MTF-datepicker: 4 manweeks	23:49
khertan	lol	23:49
frals	using qml everyday at work i do appreciate how much faster it is to get stuff done with it instead of mtf	23:50
frals	;)	23:50
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DocScrutinizer	s/date/time/	23:50
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: QML timepicker widget: 2 mandays. MTF-timepicker: 4 manweeks	23:50
khertan	QToolBar + QToolButton : 10m, QML : 7 hours and generate error	23:50
khertan	it s amazing how it s difficult to do simple things in qml	23:51
frals	khertan: Page { tools: [ ToolIcon { source: bla onClicked: blabla.xyz() } ] }?	23:51
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khertan	indeed for doing transition ... it s faster	23:51
ali1234	it depends on the thing, really	23:51
khertan	frals, Page, .... ToolIcon ? only for Harmattan ...	23:51
frals	might not be called ToolIcon, but I guess you get the idea ;-)	23:51
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: however, I do question wheter you are looking at the MTF datepicker, or just a custom implementation of a datepicker done specifically for time/date setting	23:52
khertan	frals, didn't exist for Maemo	23:52
khertan	Maemo == Fremantle	23:52
javispedro	(m5 had the latter at least for first-use-setup)	23:52
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javispedro	DocScrutinizer: have you seen it in any other application?	23:52
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: it's same in calendar for new events	23:52
frals	khertan: right, that might be true. i was talking about harmattan, sorry for not making that clear	23:52
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: heh, wonderful	23:52
frals	i thought comparing it with mtf gave it away :)	23:52
DocScrutinizer	same in clock, for alarms	23:52
khertan	frals, yep the harmattan components seems to simplify things a lot ... but available for harmattan only ... and bring fragmentation to the plateform	23:53
frals	think the proper date/timepicker is used in all system apps	23:53
javispedro	because they all are MTF ;)	23:53
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DocScrutinizer	actually I've seen the slotmachines nowhere except in those QMLdjkhjak... active dictionary progarms	23:53
frals	khertan: symbian got them as well?	23:53
frals	khertan: but they are missing from fremantle :<	23:54
khertan	frals, don't know ... didn't work under qtcreator	23:54
khertan	frals, missing on fremantle and all other qt plateform	23:54
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: indeed	23:54
frals	khertan: ok, never tried them tbh, i just saw i got a symbian dir when checking out master from gitorious	23:54
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DocScrutinizer	javispedro: obviously MTF is nice, while QML is BS	23:54
DocScrutinizer	optically	23:54
frals	javispedro: most of the ones needing date/timepicker, i guess ;)	23:54
javispedro	well, if you look at the MTF development timeline, ... they had quite of manweeks :)	23:55
javispedro	more like manyears ;)	23:55
khertan	when i see the maemo one	23:55
khertan	it s works well	23:55
DocScrutinizer	what horrifies me is the fact that iOS looks slotmachine'ish as well	23:55
khertan	m5 theme	23:55
khertan	DocScrutinizer, :) the complete iOS horrify me	23:56
DocScrutinizer	QML is going iPhone, no matter how awkward	23:56
DocScrutinizer	an abomination	23:56
khertan	DocScrutinizer, the problem is that everyone try to make iOS things ... and copy the worst	23:56
DocScrutinizer	indeed	23:56
khertan	with QML we got the style of iOS, with the fragmentation of Android	23:56
DocScrutinizer	the iOS slotmachine has day-of-week	23:56
khertan	does fanboy didn't ask for mix of iOS and Android ?	23:57
khertan	we got the worst of the both world	23:57
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: I knew it!	23:57
khertan	:)	23:57
khertan	ok ... need to sleep	23:57
DocScrutinizer	nity	23:57
khertan	as tomorrow i ll have 4 hours to lose to do a working toolbar in qml	23:58
javispedro	gnite khertan, good luck battling qml.	23:58
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* DocScrutinizer needs some meditation now, somebody explained today it's needed by brain to keep the white mater strong		23:58
khertan	it ll be funny to see that doing all the syntax highlighting part of khteditor was 10x faster than the toolbar ... :)	23:58
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khertan	night'all	23:58
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DocScrutinizer	~lart QML	23:59
* infobot gives QML an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending QML to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple		23:59
DocScrutinizer	HAHAHAHAHA	23:59

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