IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-06-17

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user__reposities have stopped working for me for some reason00:04
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GNUtoobtw does someone knows kexecboot: here's my issue:00:05
GNUtoothe kernel-power-42 boots fine00:05
GNUtoowith kexec00:06
GNUtoobut for the meego kenrel00:06
GNUtoothere is a huge lag between kexec -e and the start of the kernel00:06
GNUtoolike one minute00:06
GNUtoowhat maemo kernel power patch should I look at00:06
GNUtooor config options00:07
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user0user0: did the testing today after getting the device back00:18
user0had some old firmware on it but wasnt asking for any lockcode at boot00:18
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user0so i got the code, it was something like 63856385, as in not the default one00:19
user0i changed it and reflashed00:19
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user0the device still asked for a lockcode after flashing it, this time i knew it00:20
user0didnt ask for any lockcode after that00:20
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vi__anyone here?01:07
vi__who knows osso-xterm?01:07
vi__my question, if you would be so kind to answer...01:08
papirius2001 It is discovered that US drug agents’ communications have been penetrated. Suspicion falls on two companies, AMDOCS and Comverse Infosys, both owned by Israelis. AMDOCS generates billing data for most US phone companies and is able to provide detailed logs of who is talking to whom. Comverse Infosys builds the tapping equipment used by law enforcement to eavesdrop on all American telephone calls, but suspicion forms that Comverse, which01:08
vi__the pointer mode of xterm, how to activate it without the toolbar?01:09
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paulyanyone interested in a n900 with broken usb and broken screen?01:17
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mr_jrtOk, figured out why I wasn't getting my glib/dbus callbacks fired - I wasn't running the glib event loop. Next issue that has me stumped - how do I know when all the telepathy dbus callbacks have completed? They're fired arbitrarily by the event loop, and the completion callback fires when the call to query the properties completes - not when the callbacks have all finished.01:50
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papiriusPsykosonik - PGP
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mer_gehow do I leave fullscreen in midori?02:15
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maledonggive us the next shiznit nokia02:21
maledongthen maybe we'll port software02:21
maledongbut fuck02:21
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: see user0 above!04:21
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: [2011-06-16 23:20:09] <user0> the device still asked for a lockcode after flashing it, this time i knew it04:22
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* SpeedEvil wishes it was possible to reset IMEI.07:14
SpeedEvil(there are a number of cheap ipad plans, that it would be nice to use)07:14
dm8tbrI thought it was?07:20
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hajSpeedEvil: You can make Nokia reset your IMEI by giving you a N8 instead of a N900 ;)07:20
hajLike they did to me the bastards....07:21
dm8tbrI'd at least expect an E7 and not a darn N807:21
SpeedEvilhaj: really?07:21
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SpeedEvilhaj: I hope you're an isolated case by a clueless repair shop07:21
dm8tbrN8 seems to be standard replacement nowadays, yes :(07:21
hajSpeedEvil: yes... I was ranting about it yesterday..07:21
hajSpeedEvil: Nokias main repairshop in europe?07:21
haj"   Hi07:22
haj   Please kindly be informed that N900 swap units are not available any more07:22
haj   and the official replacement swap units of N900 is N8. Therefore you07:22
haj   received this model, please do not send back the device.07:22
haj   Thank you!07:22
haj   Best regards,07:22
haj   Dóra07:22
SpeedEvilI was meaning to send mine in to fix the intermittent.07:22
haj   Dóra Szatmári07:22
haj   Customer Service - Nokia Repair Hub"07:22
SpeedEvilhaj: What'd gone wrong with it?07:22
hajBe careful about that...07:22
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hajSpeedEvil: It lost connection to the telephony functions when pressed on random places..07:23
SpeedEvilAh - similar to mine then somewhat.07:23
hajThey are such assholes... I can't even restore my backup on a N8 (not that I tried.. I'm going to call them later, and I don't want to turn on that shitty N8)07:25
SpeedEvil:/ Good luck!07:27
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hajSpeedEvil: Last time Nokia for me.... that's for sure...07:30
* SpeedEvil wishes the n900 had been handled differently.07:31
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* SpeedEvil has the solution. It involves and two crocodile clips.07:33
SpeedEvilAlso Mr Elop.07:33
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ruskieSpeedEvil, hehe08:28
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Arcueid_just got myself a bottle of cheap booze10:25
Arcueid_thing is goddamn cheap I can even open it with a knife!10:25
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JaffaMorning, all10:51
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hajgreat.. now I have a recorded conversation where Nokia's customercare promises me a new N900 if I make the store I bought it in complain that i got a N8 as a replacement for my old N900....12:04
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nid0the recording doesnt really help you much12:07
hajnid0: here in Denmark we have a televisionshow that loves to show bad customer support.... It should work to threaten them with that... ;)12:09
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nid0I think even a trashy tv show would struggle to make "company swaps broken cheap phone with more expensive newer one per their warranty terms, call centre monkey makes a mistake" look terribly bad :)12:10
hajnid0: Perhaps it's somekind of service to give people N8's as a replacement because lots of people (non-powerusers) have been unhappy with N900.. ?12:10
hajnid0: N900 costs more than N812:11
lolcatIs the sequal to N900 out yet?12:11
nid0haj, no it doesnt12:11
hajnid0: In Denmark it does12:11
nid0find places that sell the n900 at a sensible price then :)12:11
hajnid0: Also it's a lower spec phone.12:11
hajnid0: But you are right that on ebay a N8 is more expensive than the few new N900's..12:15
hajnid0: But I don't really care.. they should ask me.12:16
hajnid0: I have software for the N900 and can't transfer the license.. I can't restore my backup, it's only 16GB vs 32..12:17
hajI have to go.. :)12:17
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lolcatAccording to PocketNow the device in question is Nokia N9, successor to the highly successful Nokia N8. Earlier this year, the N9 specs were leaked online to everyone's delight. Featuring an Intel 1.6 GHz processor, 1GB RAM, 200 MHz GPU with 512MB RAM, N9 also comes equipped with a 480 x 854 pixel display, 12 mega-pixel camera, full slider qwerty keyboard and amazing connectivity options. The N9 specs are infact so spectacular that it is touted12:19
jaska1.6GHz intel? atom? wheres the nuclear reactor?12:20
merlin1991jaska: you connect it over usb, a very convenient power source ;)12:21
jaskato a backpack battery?:D12:21
merlin1991nah nuclear reactor :D12:21
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lolcatI think 200mhz gpu was a bit low...12:21
Neccintel developing mobile processors quite a while now12:21
Neccwhy low?12:21
Necc99.9% of the time the GPU usage is low12:22
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jaskaill eat a sock (maybe) if they come up with an x86 linux phone still12:23
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lolcatjaska: Why?12:25
jaskalolcat: it just sounds unlikely to me somehow.. with all the flopping around12:25
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jpinxremoteshellI have managed to hack my way through from my debian eeepc, through the n900 to ssh to my remote shell for irssi, but how do I get the gprs connection to actually connect the eeepc?12:26
lolcatjaska: How so?12:27
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ruskiejpinxremoteshell, setup iptables nat and ipv4.ip_forward for routing etc...12:33
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jpinxremoteshellruskie: making the n900 a router?12:36
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ruskiejpinxremoteshell, yup12:39
jpinxremoteshellruskie: ok, thanks,12:39
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* jpinxremoteshell goes off to read up on that,,,,12:40
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jpinxremoteshellruskie: that's a pita, is there an idiots guide anywhere?12:49
ruskieno clue12:49
ruskiebeen ages since I touched anything like it12:49
jpinxremoteshellruskie: :(12:50
ruskiemight be on tmo12:50
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jpinxremoteshelltmo ?12:51
mecejpinxremoteshell, talk.maemo.org12:51
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jpinxremoteshellkinda hard to do when the thing I need is neded to discover howto do the thing I need12:52
ruskiewell you do have a browser ON the N900 that you can use12:55
Hurrianno one's using mobilehotspot?12:56
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obcecadohello guys13:28
obcecadohas anybody experienced problems connecting to skype this week ?13:28
xkr47not this week13:28
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obcecadoreboot solved the issue13:33
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Hurriananyone had any luck using the N95's AD-43 with the N900?14:20
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DocScrutinizerheadset multibutton?14:25
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Hurriandocscrutinizer: yes.14:42
Hurriani tried to sniff out any button presses from dbus -> no dice14:42
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psycho_oreosif it interests you, qwerty12 wrote a program to handle extra buttons on a nokia headset. The package didn't specifically specify which headsets would be supported or if it would even work with PR1.314:45
psycho_oreosthat package iirc was in extras-devel14:45
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skrrrHurrian: if I remember correctly that thing contains a battery, you also might want to check if it has any juice left14:49
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DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: WHEN was that?15:03
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: where's that pkg? pointer please, as I doubt that ever happened15:04
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Hurrianskrrr: they have batteries?15:06
Hurrianugh, i'll have to go look for my N9515:06
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Hurrianon a side note, the plugs that came with the n900 broke15:06
Hurrianseems to be a popular issue15:07
DocScrutinizerHurrian: forget it, afaik this doesn't work at all on N90015:07
DocScrutinizerHurrian: which plugs? what broke?15:07
Hurrianthe wh-something15:08
Hurrianwith the button15:08
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DocScrutinizerHurrian: sorry?15:15
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, still looking for it, I couldn't find it with a simple apt-cache. Double checking with fapman and hopefully I wasn't dreaming :)15:15
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: see ^^^link as well15:16
DocScrutinizeryou might be dreaming15:16
DocScrutinizerthere's a package to start/stop mediaplayer playback via the one and only button on WiredHeadset15:17
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Jadehow i do restore the default /sbin/preinit from inside nitdroid?15:17
Jadei fucked it up and i can only boot into nitdroid now, can't hit 0 in multiboot or flash a new kernel because multiboot always takes over15:18
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Jadebut nitdroid still boots and i need to fix /sbin/preinit to be able to reflash only the kernel from the flasher15:18
chem|stJade: /topic!15:18
DocScrutinizerHurrian: so you say your N900 accessory wired headset is broken?15:18
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chem|sthey doc!15:18
Jadei'd still like to know how to restore /sbin/preinit though15:19
chem|stJade: no problem but there is a nitdroid forum and a channel... go there15:19
DocScrutinizerhey chem|st15:19
DocScrutinizerlong time no see15:19
chem|stawe was busy, building a miner...15:19
DocScrutinizera miner?15:20
chem|stbitcoin/namecoin miner15:20
Jadeoh i just remembered i have a rootfs backup somewhere15:20
Jadethanks anyway15:20
DocScrutinizerJade: no idea how to install preinit from nitdroid15:20
Jadei dont need to install anything15:21
Jadejust edit a file15:21
Jadei just didnt know what to modify15:21
Jadenow it's good15:21
DocScrutinizerJade: maybe use meego instead, it should be simple to do such things under meego15:21
chem|stI have no idea how to become rootdroid...15:21
Jadetype su15:21
chem|stoh that easy...15:21
chem|stDocScrutinizer: if you got a ati card somewhere you can make money with it, with most newer cards more money than you spend on power15:23
chem|stat least for the next 8 days *shrug*15:23
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DocScrutinizerwhatever, support for multiboot and Mb related topics is really poor here, as everybody got fed up with it, and actually seems not that many users here that maybe are using nitdroid have a clue about how it works anyway15:23
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, yeah that's the package, headset-control :\15:24
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Hurriandocscrutinizer: yes, the wired headset broke15:50
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: this "printing money" really results in EUR on my account at a proper bank?15:51
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Hurrianthis just in: btc is dropping15:52
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Hurriandocscrutinizer, you should've been in here from about this time last year15:52
DocScrutinizerHurrian: there are zillion headsets that are compatible, ~5€ in your Import/export shopee next street crossing15:52
Hurrianbitcoins were worth $0.5 about this time last year15:52
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Hurrianthey hit $26 recently and crashed15:53
Hurrianwent back up, and it's falling again15:53
DocScrutinizerso I still can mint binary money and actually get *real* money for it?15:54
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Hurrianand it works a lot better with an AMD card15:54
DocScrutinizersounds like a way to make a living - as weird as it is15:54
Hurrian4chan's /g/ actually proved a few weeks ago that an i5 2500K + 6950 gaming rig can pay for itself in around 2-3 months15:56
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Hurrianthe 6950 being a reference card and unlocked to become a 697015:56
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DocScrutinizerso the algo to mint bitcoins is FOSS?15:57
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Hurrianit was actually forked to become namecoin15:58
DocScrutinizerbat-mad concept15:58
Hurrianthe latter didnt work out too well15:58
nid0its very volatile though, as "paying for itself" is totally at the mercy of price changes, coupled with the fact that a lot more people are now mining a lot more because of the price changes, which in turn makes mining take much longer15:58
Hurrian@nid0 : exactry15:58
Hurriandat block difficulty is going to keep on rising15:58
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Hurrianafter the numerous troll "OMG ITS GONNA CRASH" threads, i panicked and sold it all15:59
DocScrutinizerand who's going to *buy* that bitcoin treasure for *real* money? And why?15:59
Hurrianturns out, they were right15:59
Hurrian@DocScrutinizer: people who think BTC is cool15:59
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Hurriani used to think it was cool, when it was 0.20/USD, and bought a load16:00
Choomit lacks liquidity and is a huge pyramid scheme16:00
nid0DocScrutinizer: probably most people that actually want to spend it16:00
Choomit's also an asset, not a currency16:00
DocScrutinizerI actually could use a source of income16:00
Hurrian>>>mtgox and dwolla16:00
nid0people who see bitcoin as a source of income mine it, people who see it as a currency to spend buy it16:00
Hurrianmine, sell on mtgox, sell to dwolla and it goes to your bank16:00
Choomand an economy based on deflation with a "currency cap" can never succeed because it encourages people to save their "money" instead of circulating it (like in inflation-based economies)16:01
Hurrianpretty simple for people with monster computers and idle it all the time16:01
DocScrutinizerChoom: what now? inflation or deflation?16:01
Hurrianimo, way more worth your time than seti@home16:01
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ChoomDocScrutinizer: deflation encourages people to keep the money because it will only increase in value16:02
Choomthis is opposed to inflation, which encourages circulation16:02
Hurrianscroll down16:02
Hurriansaid bubble is bursting16:02
DocScrutinizerChoom: yes16:02
DocScrutinizeraah, got your bracketed expression wrong16:03
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Choomthe whole system is rigged to provide the early adopters with huge provit, which is why I personally call it a pyramid scheme16:04
nid0sigh, need cheaper hard drives :<16:04
Hurrian@choom: spot on16:04
Hurrianand i'm swimming in profit.16:05
Hurrianbut hey16:05
Hurrianmining was made easier by gpu clients16:05
Hurriannow that REALLY brought in the average people to start mining16:05
nid0well, not unless theyre genuinely serious about it16:06
nid0joe home user probably isnt going to want to sit next to the jet engine noise of his gpu fan running at max 24x716:06
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Hurrianseeing as 1 btc hit ~26$ recently (and fell, but that's beside the point), electricity being flat-rate for a lot of people, and mining pools making it easier16:07
Hurrianit's pretty tempting16:07
nid0if I wasnt bothered about things like being able to hear the tv, or myself think, id have probably been mining for a while with my 2 4870x2's16:07
Hurrianpersonally, i'd advise not jumping in just yet - block difficulty is thru the roof, and you'd probably make more money treating btc as stocks16:09
Hurrianuhh, i wouldn't do the last one16:10
Hurrianwait until it's back to $2016:10
Juozapascan u recommend some good ebook reader who also open pdf files?16:12
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Hurrianjuozapas : kindle/kindle dx + calibre to convert pdf's16:13
Juozapasi mean soft for n900 :)16:14
HurrianPDF reader16:14
Hurrianthe built-in one16:14
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Juozapasit's the best one?16:15
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Juozapask :|16:15
Hurrianput it in landscape mode, and use the stylus to scroll16:15
Juozapasthe combination for landscape mode?16:16
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Hurrianuhh, cssu i guess?16:17
Hurrianidk, never a fan of landscape mode16:17
Hurrianand reading tiny text on a small LCD screen is probably the worst way to do it16:17
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Juozapasok i misunderstood between lanscape and portrait mode :)16:21
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Hurrianoh crap, sorry16:21
Hurriani meant portrait16:22
Hurrianreplace all landscape with portrait16:22
Hurriandamn it's late16:22
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RST38h"Nokia Windows Phones will launch in six European nations first, Finland not among them"16:30
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JaffaRST38h: ?16:35
RST38hJaffa: ?16:36
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JaffaRST38h: Wondered where you'd read about the WP phones launching not in Finland17:09
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nid0engadget probably17:10
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ruskie <-- so patent trolling at it's finest17:56
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Choomanother C++0x question18:04
Choomwhen someone does something like std::vector<int> {1, 2, 3}; how's {1, 2, 3} being passed to the vector?18:05
Choomis it passed as an array to a copy ctor?  is it relying on any kind of iterator to fill the vector?  how does this work for std::vector?18:06
MoonTigerok got it18:07
MoonTigersheesh complicated :)18:07
MoonTigerthnx anyways18:07
Choommy real question is, if I wanted to implement a container that accepted that kind of value list, what would I have to do in order to ensure that my container works correctly with it?18:08
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Choomwrong channel18:09
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Choomwas supposed to be in ##c++18:09
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crashanddieChoom, OMG LOL WTF HAHAHA18:25
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Choomtook me ages to realize18:27
crashanddieby the way, for what it's worth, I don't think std::vector<int> {1, 2, 3} is a valid c++0x line18:27
crashanddieunless you std::vector<int> v {1, 2, 3}?18:27
crashanddies/you/you meant/18:28
infobotcrashanddie meant: unless you meant std::vector<int> v {1, 2, 3}?18:28
Choomit isn't, I missed the variable name18:28
Choomdoesn't matter, I've already asked the question in the right place18:28
Choom(std::vector<int>) {1, 2, 3}, however, would be a vaild C++0x expression18:29
crashanddiebut isn't that entirely different?18:30
Choomno, it's the same thing actually, as far as my question was concerned18:31
ChoomI was asking about handling initializer lists18:31
Choomand was told that I get passed an stdd::initializer_list to iterate through when that kind of initialization is used18:32
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SpeedEvilSorry for all the relogging - I'm having ISP issues.19:24
SpeedEvilNamely they're asshats that turned off my line accidentally, and won't turn it on again for 5 days, hence 3G.19:24
ruskieso not fun19:25
ruskiemy ISP forgot to up my speed when we got a new contract19:25
ruskieso was on 13/1.5 for the last 6 months19:25
rm_workSpeedEvil: same thing happened to me recently19:25
ruskiebut after I noticed they upped it immediately and sent they'll reduce next months costs by the difference19:26
rm_workSpeedEvil: I had two Cable Internet lines and Cable TV. I cancelled one of the internet lines and the tv, to leave me with one cable internet line (which I upgraded a whole heck of a lot)19:26
rm_workthe guy came to my house when i wasn't home and just cut the entire line to the house and left19:26
rm_worki was lucky, i got home early that day and called them and bitched and they managed to send another guy out that evening, otherwise i would have had to wait 4 days (it was a holiday weekend)19:27
SpeedEvilI had two DSL lines A and B on accounts a and b. Line A was better, so I arranged for them to swap account 'a' onto line B, then cease account b.19:27
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rm_worksounds similar then, lol19:27
rm_workthey don't handle "complicated" well19:27
rm_workyeah i used to run dual-WAN on two 12/1.5 cable lines19:28
SpeedEvilOf course - they end up moving account a onto line B, and then ceasing both lines, as they'd left 'b''s record pointing at teh number that now had 'a' on.19:28
rm_workthen they upgraded their whole network19:28
SpeedEvilWhat really annoys me is that I mailed them asking to check it 10 days ago.19:28
rm_workso now i have a single 70/6 line19:28
ruskiewtf do you need 70 down?19:29
Choomwhere I live, bandwidth is not an issue19:29
Choommy average residential connection is a 120mbps/8mbps DOCSIS219:29
ruskieeurodocsis3 here19:30
Choomand my ISP offers up to 1Gbps/1Gbps for those willing to pay for that19:30
rm_workChoom: i would totally get Gbit19:30
* SpeedEvil sighs.19:30
rm_workhow much do they charge for that19:30
SpeedEvilI have - when it's working - 3mbit/0.4819:31
rm_workack, lol19:31
rm_workmight still be worth it19:31
rm_workmy 70/6 costs $89.99 USD / month19:31
Choompersonally I don't really see the point to so much bandwidth19:33
Choomunless I actually intended to resell services19:33
ruskiemore upload yes19:33
Choomeven the upstream, I'm perfectly fine with 8mbps19:34
nid0you tend to find ways to use huge amounts of traffic when you have it19:34
Choomthe only places where I can actually take advantage of my average downstream re steam and battle.net19:34
SpeedEvilI would - ideally - like to be able to stick on a blue-ray quality stream onto a large monitor as a 'window'19:34
nid0"screw local backups, why not just mirror my entire machine in realtime to remote storage"19:35
SpeedEvilnid0: And RAID with your friends.19:35
Choomnid0: I no longer instal physical copies of games19:35
Choomsince steam is faster than my DVD drive19:35
Choomso there's a use case for all the bandwidth that I have available, but I don't install games that often19:36
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ruskieI prefer retail releases but then I play on PS319:36
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ruskiesimply because I can then sell off the game or lend it to a friend19:36
Choomusually I buy from retail firsta and then from steam when it becomes cheap for the convenience alone19:37
nid0there being no way to transfer licenses on steam does really irritate me19:37
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rm_worki heavily use Steam <_<19:37
rm_workbut also torrents are nice19:38
rm_worklike, linux distros, of course :)19:38
* Choom is legit19:38
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GeneralAntillesWhy did Motorola steal the N900's keyboard look for the Droids. . . .20:11
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petterithey hope someone looking for n900 will accidentally buy droid20:13
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moo__android blows20:14
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Venemo_N900good afternoon21:22
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javispedroevening gentlemen21:44
rm_workGeneralAntilles: i'm happy if ANYONE steals ANYTHING from ANYONE as long as it involves there being a physical keyboard on a smartphone >_>21:45
rm_workthere are damn few enough as it is21:45
rm_worki'm really scared they will die off altogether21:45
javispedroblame steve jobs21:45
rm_workthere are very few people hardcore enough (like us) to actually DEMAND a hardware keyboard21:45
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rm_workmostly people either don't care, or "prefer one, but it's not a dealbreaker"21:46
Venemo_N900rm_work, not as few as you think21:46
rm_worki know ONE person IRL that is like me21:46
Venemo_N900on forum nokia's voting, 1/3 people preferred touchscreen+qwerty21:46
rm_workonly three people who actually have hardware keyboards21:46
rm_workVenemo_N900: and how many that "didn't care"?>21:46
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Venemo_N900other 1/3 preferred touchscreen only21:48
Venemo_N900and the rest preferred the traditional number keys21:48
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Venemo_N900rm_work, ^21:51
rm_workthe problem is21:52
rm_workthe people who preferred "touchscreen+qwerty", if they were given a REALLY cool phone, but it was lacking a keyboard, they would prolly just say "eh, i'll deal with touchscreen only"21:53
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rm_worki *will not* use a phone without a hardware keyboard :/21:53
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SpeedEvilrm_work: Indeed. Look at the number of 4:3 screens on the market.21:55
SpeedEvilThough many people prefer them21:55
rm_workmakes me sad21:56
rm_workanyway brb meeting21:56
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admiral0i've got trouble compiling kernel power22:03
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admiral0can anybody help please22:03
admiral0uh nvm22:04
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Venemo_N900admiral0, what is the issue?22:14
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DocScrutinizerVenemo_N900: o/22:15
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Venemo_N900yo DocScrutinizer22:17
Venemo_N900how're you these days?22:17
admiral0no i had problem with make menuconfig22:17
admiral0i solved22:17
admiral0by redownloading sourc22:17
admiral0but cannot find source for ecryptfs22:17
admiral0so ...22:18
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admiral0no i'm trying to port zsh22:18
admiral0optify it22:18
javispedroby rebuilding the kernel???22:19
Venemo_N900ok admiral0  :)22:20
admiral0i needed kernel to see its make menuconfig22:20
admiral0ecryptfs is not there :P22:20
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admiral0n900 community is kinda stopped22:25
Venemo_N900why is that?22:26
admiral0i see some projects stopped22:26
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admiral0like bluemaemo22:27
admiral0it doesn't even install :\22:27
psycho_oreosthere's a fix for that, its noted on t.m.o22:27
admiral0psycho_oreos: could you please link?22:27
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* admiral0 = rage22:28
admiral0debs...Y U NO USE rpm | pkg.tar.xz22:28
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admiral0psycho_oreos: thanks22:31
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, isn't it disgusting how the industry and consumers follow lock-step with whatever Apple comes up with?22:33
GeneralAntillesHow is it that they're the only company that seems to be able to make people want things.22:34
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javispedroyou're asking me? =)22:34
javispedroNote that Nokia _used_ to be able to do that in Europe22:35
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admiral0oh dammit22:35
javispedro(I am impressed how they could sell s60 crap the same way I'm impressed how Apple can sell capacitive crap...)22:35
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admiral0i'm tarballing it and putting on t.m.o22:35
javispedro(my apologies to s60 fans... ;) )22:35
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Arkenoijavispedro: are there any still alive?22:36
javispedroArkenoi: definitely, and quite importantly: a large segment of the late adopters are s60 fans.22:37
javispedro(at least from my limited regional PoV)22:37
GeneralAntillesNow resistive is somehow "Bad" (see Wii U commentary)22:37
* GeneralAntilles came from Newton.22:38
Arkenoiah, i've seen some on local forums, thought it is russian native craze22:38
GeneralAntillesHow's that for a small demographic?22:38
Arkenoi"n8 is a great phone because it is better than 5800xm, and e7 is a great phone because it is way better than n97"22:38
Arkenoinot even a single person who never owned a symbian phone before22:39
Arkenoidead end of evolution22:39
javispedroGeneralAntilles: note they also used the "cheap" keyword. When these days its probably the opposite..22:39
GeneralAntillesWee, economies of scale!22:40
GeneralAntillesI just wish somebody would ship Stantum22:42
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javispedrowhat enrages me is that Apple, in their infinite wisdom, when spamming me about how an iPad could help me with my postgrad (how the hell do they know??), show an screenshot of someone's notes on a iPad -- pencil notes.22:42
GeneralAntillesThat would make me happy.22:42
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* Arkenoi wants a perfect note taking gadget. "perfect" implies having a physical keyboard for me, so tablets do not fit.22:43
javispedrothe fact that noone shipped stantum yet probably tells something22:44
Arkenoii mean "pda tablets"22:44
Arkenoi"notebook tablets" just suck22:44
javispedroeither überexpensive or potentially not as perfect as it seems22:44
GeneralAntillesWell, bad timing would be my guess.22:44
GeneralAntillesApple had already convinced everybody it was capacitive or die by the time it got close to market ready.22:44
GeneralAntillesI suspect it isn't cheap, either.22:44
GeneralAntillesBut still22:45
* GeneralAntilles sighs at resume bugs.22:45
javispedroI ponder why Stantum does not have a list of friggin devices, I mean, someone must be using it.22:45
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Arkenoiah, and it should be resistive, drawing anything on a capacitive screen is sad juke22:46
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javispedroone things for sure on tuesday: it will be capacitive =)22:47
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javispedroaccording to stantum22:48
javispedrointel one has stantum tablet22:48
javispedro"quanta redvale" running meego22:48
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javispedrommmm... old news seemingly ( )22:49
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MoonTigerwow #maemo-dev is really cooking eh?   NOT22:50
GeneralAntillesWhat else do you expect?22:50
GeneralAntillesThe platform's on its way out.22:50
MoonTigersome ppl in there to ask dev questions of :22:51
MoonTigeri think its just beginning to rock now nokia have left it alone :)22:51
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andre__MoonTiger, #maemo is totally sufficient for that22:53
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MoonTigerok cool :)22:53
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MoonTigerhi :)23:42
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MoonTigeris anybody home?23:44
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MoonTigercan i assume sqlite is available to an app im writing?23:46
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ShadowJKmp-fremantle-pr depends on it23:49
cehtehadding it to the depends list wont be bad anyways .. just in case someone ports the package to some other os23:51
MoonTigerim writing if for desktop gtk & maemo23:53
MoonTigerso i will add a dependency23:53
MoonTigerthnx :)23:53
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