IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-05-24

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mikkovcan't really test anything now00:05
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cityLightsbye foe now, off to sleep00:06
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tppercydo any of the n900 apps support exposure lock? it tends to be bundled with exposure lock in low digital cameras00:18
tppercy*low end digital cameras00:19
Sicelo_you have checked out blessn900?00:19
* Sicelo_ doesn't have N900, so can't really say for sure what is there camera-wise00:20
tppercyi'll check again but it didn't work on the buttton depress00:20
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Malin_Is there a way to have the calender on N900 to have a schedule who repeats every second week?00:22
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Sicelo_u sure cityLights ?00:26
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ShadowJKiirc blessn900 is postprocessing?00:26
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SpeedEvilMalin_: no00:34
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SpeedEviltppercy: fcam can do fixed exposures.00:35
SpeedEviltppercy: Aso - you do know it's a rolling shutter>?\00:35
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tppercySpeedEvil...was just playing with fcam...but exposure lock shouldn't be a problem...seeing manual exposure is'd just be 'locking' auto?00:39
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SpeedEvilWell - you set the exposure - you don't lock it as such.00:40
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SpeedEvilIf you wanted - you could add that feature to fcam00:40
tppercyi mean partiall depress the shutter to lock exposure while shutter button is depressed00:41
tppercycan the shutter button support that?00:41
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SpeedEvilThe shutter button supports nothing.00:42
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SpeedEvilIt outputs either 0,1,2 - for the not pressed, half pressed, or fully pressed state.00:42
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SpeedEvilMaking it do anything the hardware is capable of is a software problem.00:43
tppercyspeedevil: cool thanks...yes...wasn't sure it supported the half pressed state00:44
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SpeedEvilthe default app uses it for focus00:44
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tppercyyeah thats what it felt like...but wasn't sure if i was assuming it was doing that00:46
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Lantiziahey when flashing from amd64 linux - can i just force-architecture install the deb package?01:20
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Lantiziajacekowski, no probs then I take it?01:21
jacekowskiin most cases no01:21
Lantiziayeah it's working fine01:23
Lantiziastrange no one thought to build a 64bit version when the old n810 flasher had one01:24
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DocScrutinizerMalin_: cityLights: SpeedEvil: I think I heard of imported from google biweekly appointments working just fine on N900 calendar01:36
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DocScrutinizerso it's probably a frontend limitation as usual01:36
DocScrutinizerwasn't there even a ticket for that?01:37
DocScrutinizeror a thread on tmo01:38
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licensedwow preenv is cool.. coolest games01:40
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SpeedEvilThere was a bug, yes.01:44
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merlin1991MohammadAG: are we going to see a post pic option in sociality anytime soon?01:55
MohammadAGmerlin1991, yes01:55
MohammadAGmerlin1991, right now, I'm working on threading and I broke the app :p01:56
merlin1991perfect :D01:56
merlin1991last time I wanted to attach a pic i checked and found the attach vid button01:56
merlin1991wtf vid but not pic? :D01:56
MohammadAGjust attach a link to the pic :p01:57
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merlin1991that way I'd have to upload it somewhere though01:58
merlin1991also whatabout infeed pics?01:58
merlin1991atm you get links that open the browser if there's a pic in a feed01:58
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, the next version has a lot of stuff :p02:00
* merlin1991 wants it now02:01
MohammadAGI'll upload it in a bit, once I remove my password from the source02:01
merlin1991your password in the source? oO?02:01
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, chat implementation :P02:02
merlin1991there is fb chat for c&c already02:02
MohammadAGwell, I'm not done with it so the button will just be hidden02:04
merlin1991btw sources anywhere?02:04
MohammadAGgitorious, but I haven't committed since my password's there :p02:04
merlin1991damn it I even looked there02:05
merlin1991but you fooled me with the qtbook name :D02:05
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, pass removed02:10
merlin1991MohammadAG: that's the unintresting part, gitorious pushed is more intresting ;)02:10
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n900_spacehey all02:13
MohammadAGdon't complain about speed :p02:13
merlin1991MohammadAG: speed is so slow02:13
MohammadAGmerlin1991, thanks02:14
merlin1991I didn't even dl it yet :P02:14
MohammadAGI know02:14
merlin1991where does the -devel package put the binary?02:14
MohammadAGI could've pulled a that's what she said...02:14
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LantiziaLo, where can I get the fiasco-gen utility from? (for i386 or amd64)02:18
Lantiziajust wanna merge a layout file and a custom mmc image together02:19
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Lantiziainstalling the SDK at the moment to see if it's in there - but it's taking forever to download02:19
MohammadAGyou can't, it's only available for armel02:19
Lantiziaoh :S02:19
merlin1991I can't run a simple script that removes sociality and updates it02:19
merlin1991permission denied, even as root02:20
MohammadAGso wait for the SDK to finish, "forever" isn't too long :p02:20
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, n00b02:20
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merlin1991MohammadAG: true, forgot to chmod +x it02:21
merlin1991hm it crashed02:22
merlin1991you going to lol even more02:23
merlin1991fogot to chmod +x sociality in the update script too02:23
merlin1991but funny that h-d shows me the spalsh02:23
merlin1991and then the window dies02:23
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MohammadAGI'm sure it never crashes02:24
MohammadAGonly takes some time to parse the news feed02:24
merlin1991ah now it's missing libQtFeedback.so02:25
merlin1991wich package?02:25
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MohammadAGI shouldn't be linking against that...02:26
MohammadAGmerlin1991, get the new binary02:27
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merlin1991MohammadAG: now I'm missing libq-extras.so02:29
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MohammadAGinstall q-extras02:30
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infobotmsg from chanop: pupnik, please stay on topic and DO NOT INSULT OR GO XXX, this isn't #politics and (usually) a worksafe chan02:34
pupnikyou fucks know the israelis made the 808802:34
pupnikand the centrino02:34
pupnikoh lawl02:35
pupnikthey are pwning security02:35
pupnikyour linux is hopeless02:35
pupnikyour hardware is pent02:35
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: you joined to hold one of your monologues ?02:36
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pupniki'm not going to live long02:37
merlin1991MohammadAG: now I'm @ undefinded symbol: _ZTIN10QtMobility13QGeoMapObjectE02:37
MohammadAGmerlin1991, apt-get install libqtm-1202:37
MohammadAGthe newest version02:37
pupnik you don[t understand what the whole maemo thing was about02:38
pupnikelop won02:38
pupnikhe need to ... eh02:38
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SpeedEvilMaemo got killed before Elop.02:39
SpeedEvilIntel killed it.02:39
SpeedEvilThat, and nokias interaction with Meego.02:40
pupnik SpeedEvil freedom02:40
* SpeedEvil ponders making a carbon fibre seat.02:40
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merlin1991MohammadAG: even with libqtm I have the same undefined symbol02:41
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pupnikfuck the nazis02:41
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merlin1991pupnik: are you drunk or something?02:42
pupnikopen your eyes02:42
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pupnikwe have lost02:43
pupnikyou know what they are sucking up02:44
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pupnikevery phone call02:44
pupnikgoes to israel02:44
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, think I'm gonna have to complain to achipa about that02:46
MohammadAGmerlin1991, can you try something?02:46
* DocScrutinizer too tired02:46
MohammadAGls /usr/lib/libQtLocation*02:46
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merlin1991MohammadAG: /usr/lib/      /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/
MohammadAGwhy the fuck is 1.2 1.0.202:48
MohammadAGls -l /usr/lib/
merlin1991points to 1.0.202:48
MohammadAGls -l that02:49
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Macerbecause nokia should have used qt to begin with and not try to piece qt into a gtk base after the fact02:50
merlin1991goes to /op/lib/
SpeedEvilqt wasn't available to the n77002:50
MohammadAGmerlin1991, is that a symlink?02:51
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, s/n770/770/02:51
merlin1991Nokia-N900:~# ls -l /usr/lib/
merlin1991lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           31 Sep 10  2010 /usr/lib/ -> /opt/lib/
MohammadAGno, I meant /opt/lib/
merlin1991lnot that one's a file02:52
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LantiziaAre ext2 or ext3 formatted MicroSD cards meant to work with the N900?02:53
Lantiziai just get "Memory card format unsupported" on file manager02:53
SpeedEvilYou need to mount them manually.02:53
SpeedEvilOr hack the mount scripts02:53
MohammadAGmerlin1991, sec02:54
povbotBug 7153: Built-in MMC scripts only support FAT-formatted02:54
LantiziaSpeedEvil, this guy aapo.rantalainen is claiming it works fine with pr 1.302:54
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merlin1991MohammadAG: I dl the .deb of libqtm-12-location02:54
merlin1991and the file there is called
SpeedEvilLantizia: Well - bother him then.02:55
merlin1991seems the apt install of it failed02:55
SpeedEvilI have an ext3 mmc - and it doesn't automount.02:55
SpeedEvilI don't know what he may be doing.02:55
Lantiziathis entirely sucks02:55
MohammadAGmerlin1991, hmm02:56
Lantiziamydocs can't be ext3 without hacking it, even the damned microsd can't be02:56
DocScrutinizerLantizia: that's cause both are meant to get exported via mass storage02:56
merlin1991did a apt-get install --reinstall libqtm-12-location and still missing the fiels02:57
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, a ext3 mydocs does get exported as mass storage just fine02:57
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DocScrutinizerdefeats the purpose though02:57
MohammadAGmerlin1991, yeah, complain to achipa when he's on02:57
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MohammadAGI'll upload my self built lib02:57
MohammadAGwait a bit02:59
MohammadAGit's still uploading02:59
DocScrutinizerLantizia: but yeah, I agree the maemo stuff jas way too many hardcoded strange hacks02:59
MohammadAGjust replace /usr/lib/libQtLocation.1 directly, for testing purposes02:59
DocScrutinizerLantizia: and /opt(ification) is the worst of them03:00
merlin1991MohammadAG: found out why03:00
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, why?03:00
merlin1991it installs to /opt/qtm12/lib03:00
MohammadAGwell yes, besides that03:01
MohammadAGno symlinks to /usr/lib/?03:01
pupnikyou have to work for freedom of information03:01
LantiziaI just don't want stone age FAT32 that can't handle files named with these characters! " * : < > ? \ |03:01
DocScrutinizerfor /usr Nokia messed up A), which meant nobody noticed they messed several things in B), and finally they did C) to "fix" it, which as well is odd03:01
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Lantiziai have music that uses them!03:01
pupnikDocScrutinizer: you have to work for it03:01
merlin1991and no symlinks to /usr/lib03:01
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merlin1991MohammadAG: the package only installs the libs to /opt/qtm12/lib03:02
MohammadAGmerlin1991, could you try rm /usr/lib/ && ln -s /opt/qtm12/ /usr/lib/
merlin1991but does no setup to add them to /usr/lib03:02
MohammadAGCONFIG += mobility12 is already messed up, can't it handle that crap properly...03:03
DocScrutinizerpupnik: you got no idea what I'm doing all day and night - maybe I'm already a great fighter for informational freedom. -- but I honestly doubt we're talking about your monologs here and that you'd attribute that as information03:03
merlin1991I'll start sociality with a different LD_LIBRARY_PATH03:03
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, could you try the new binary? I added QApplication::addLibraryPath("/opt/qtm12/lib") to it03:05
MohammadAGstill upping03:05
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merlin1991tell me when it's up03:06
MohammadAGmerlin1991, upped03:06
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merlin1991MohammadAG:  still same stuff03:07
merlin1991but adding "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/qtm12/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" into your sociality startupscript fixes it ;)03:08
MohammadAGthat's annoying...03:08
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, oh, did I mention profile images are cached now?03:09
MohammadAGsay hi to /home/user/.cache/MohammadAG/sociality/03:09
merlin1991omg yay03:10
MohammadAGoh and notifications aren't reparsed unless they changed03:10
MohammadAGso you won't see the avatar disappearing bit03:10
merlin1991you should resize the "like" buttons in the comments view03:10
merlin1991especially in portrait they are too big03:11
MohammadAGadd favorites (title bar menu) works now, hold icon to delete favorite03:11
MohammadAGmerlin1991, the comments are a "hack", they're the same widget with "Comment" hidden :p03:11
MohammadAGthat's why like stretches, it takes up the comment buttons' place03:11
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, check out application settings03:12
merlin1991MohammadAG: I didn't mean the horizontal size but the vertikal size03:12
MohammadAGhmm, that's new03:13
MohammadAGthey should use the standard 70 size03:13
merlin1991also go to app seting, bail out03:13
merlin1991don't get it back anymore03:13
merlin1991sry, was hitting account settings instead03:13
merlin1991but I still don't see the attach pic button03:14
MohammadAGmerlin1991, patience is a virtue :p03:14
merlin1991on the other hand, whiping a dev can have astonishing results03:15
MohammadAGmerlin1991, try hitting a youtube link03:18
MohammadAGthat's right, it won't work03:18
* MohammadAG still can't figure it out03:18
merlin1991don't have any :D03:18
MohammadAGmerlin1991, lies, you do now03:19
MohammadAGdon't know your taste, so I put two links :p03:19
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merlin1991porn and another type of porn?03:20
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MohammadAGwe both know that doesn't exist on youtube03:21
merlin1991unless 4chan starts another youtoube porn operation03:21
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merlin1991MohammadAG: when you click on the link from profile it does *something*03:22
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, opens a phonon window03:24
MohammadAGthat isn't streaming for some reason03:24
MohammadAGI tried using Qt Multimedia -> 403 forbidden03:24
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MohammadAGphonon doesn't have error reporting apparently...03:25
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DocScrutinizerphonon EEEEWWW03:31
MohammadAGat least it uses gstreamer...03:33
DocScrutinizerwell, another layer over a layer over a soundserver over ALSA03:33
DocScrutinizerphonon might be nice for some of the advanced concepts, like unified media handling, but in the end it's just another fuckedup bit of KDE4 that replaces ARTS which never worked for me03:35
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DocScrutinizerand phonon is acting up on KDE4 way more often than the old ARTS bae03:36
DocScrutinizerbased concept that at least offered alternative audio03:36
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MohammadAGI don't like the API tbh03:38
MohammadAGQtMultimedia seems to be better03:39
MohammadAGbut it's not taking the damn cookie I pass to it03:39
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MohammadAGwhat's the command to suspend a PC?03:42
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SpeedEvilecho ram >/sys/power/state03:44
SpeedEvilOr is it mem03:44
SpeedEvilI can never remember03:44
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DocScrutinizerthough you probably want to use a cmdline tool like s2ram or whatever it's called03:46
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pupnikhow fucking dumb can you be03:47
pupnikshit swallowers03:48
pupnikhow does it feel DocScrutinizer03:48
pupnikom nom nom03:48
DocScrutinizerindeed how fsckng dumb can I be03:48
pupnikglug glug glug03:48
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MohammadAGwtf is wrong with him03:52
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DocScrutinizernothing new, just getting worse03:58
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EvanescenceI installed Hildon UI on my ubuntu computer, But I can not find session for Hildon to startup . how to open Hildon ?04:02
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DocScrutinizersorry, I know I'm not supposed to do this, but I *had* to /ignore pupnik - so please tell me if he's posting *anything* again here. Thanks04:13
SpeedEvilumm - why not just ban?04:14
DocScrutinizerstill reluctant as he's a long known member of this chan, and usually a nice guy (except recently)04:14
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DocScrutinizerand I only had to /ignore as he's spamming me with "fuck" "read" "learn" "sucker" "shit" in /private query04:16
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Maceryou sure it is really him? :)04:21
DocScrutinizerquite sure, yes04:21
DocScrutinizer[Whois] pupnik ist ~pupnik@unaffiliated/pupnik (pupnik)04:22
Macernever know04:22
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Macersomeone could have gotten his fn pw04:22
DocScrutinizerI know him04:22
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Random - I assume the battery charger can only buck from the external USB supply, not boost?04:30
SpeedEvilI'm wondering if I can connect a unboosted li-ion cell to it.04:30
SpeedEvilThought so. Oh well.04:30
DocScrutinizerand no you can't04:31
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DocScrutinizeruse CA146-A or what it's called ;-)04:31
DocScrutinizerit boosts04:31
DocScrutinizera bit04:31
SpeedEvilI want to make a fairly small device.04:31
SpeedEvilI can just hack one together I guess.04:32
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DocScrutinizerI got a 1000mAh with solar cell and boost, 95*43*11mm, with lots of adapters: ~10EUR04:34
DocScrutinizerof course you can chage via USB as well, on rainy days ;-D04:35
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DocScrutinizersolar is fine though to always trickle charge it so it never goes flat04:36
DocScrutinizeron self discharge04:36
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LantiziaI think I've finally got a fool proof way of making MyDocs ext3 :P04:42
Lantiziaexports to USB and everything!04:42
Lantiziaonly 9 lines on the terminal... no rebooting needed :P
Lantiziadoesn't screw the n900 on reboot either (i.e it doesn't think mydocs is now /home)04:44
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jdthat's pretty cool Lantizia04:46
jdi'll be able to move stuff from / or other dirs without permissions fucking up04:47
SpeedEvilWill that mount when you reboot though?04:47
LantiziaSpeedEvil, yes :P and remount after using it over USB :P04:47
Lantiziathe sed/echo lines are just shortened versions of patches I already found on the bugtracker04:47
jdfrom what i see the script reformats mydocs into ext3 and modifies some boot script04:47
jdso it should be permanent04:47
Lantiziathe bit I've added is making sure the partition type is 43 not 83 or the n900 tries to use mmcblk0p1 as /home and the graphics/fonts get screwed on reboot04:48
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Lantizia43 is the old linux native partition type code04:48
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Lantiziajd, it also at the same time allows ext3 formatted microsd cards04:49
jdthat's even cooler04:49
jdi'm going to try it04:49
Lantiziabtw the bit where it says "Pan" that can be whatever volume label you like :P04:50
Lantiziamy n900 is nicknamed Pan though :P04:50
SpeedEvilLantizia: neat04:50
SpeedEvilLantizia: It's gonna blow away all of the stuff on mydocs though of course.04:50
LantiziaSpeedEvil, oh of course - back em up over usb first04:50
DocScrutinizerlol, sure04:50
jdi'm backing up right now04:50
Lantiziacamera can save pics to it as well - no permissions issues :P04:52
jd18gb is going to take a while to copy04:52
Lantiziaof course you'll need a linux/macosx machine for usb mass storage now lol - that or the ext2fsd for windows utility04:52
jdbut i like ext3 way more than fat04:53
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SpeedEvilA vfat shim layer would be awesome.04:56
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cehteha reverse fuse: buse block devices in user space05:06
cehtehtake any filesystem and make it look like a block device formatted as FAT05:06
cehtehexport that over usb05:06
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SpeedEvilIssues are scan time wil suck.05:07
SpeedEvilFor some users at least.05:07
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cehtehwell or just usb pan by default and start a samba when plugged ni05:07
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cehtehanyone should push that at least for meego05:08
cehtehthis n900 is my only and first smartphone, but how do others solve this. also by unmounting the data partition .. or by some propietary transfer protocols?05:09
SpeedEvilI solve it by using a 4G mydocs05:10
SpeedEvilAnd rsync/scp05:10
Lantiziaok well I just did a total reflash and start from scratch using the script (like a clean room test) - still works :P05:13
SpeedEvilMy inital hope was that my 4G partition would mount on my printer - but it won't.05:14
SpeedEvilI should really try to get it working over wifi.05:14
SpeedEvilBut my brain melted.05:15
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DocScrutinizerbuse is a nice idea, but has one showstopper problem: you don't have any relation between files and blocks when an alien OS is accessing this emulation05:29
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DocScrutinizernot to mention dirty caches on the alien system that get written back at random points in time05:30
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ShadowJKMTP might be a more realistic alternative05:31
ShadowJKbut it's kinda unpopular05:31
DocScrutinizerand clearly forbid any concurrent change of the data referenced by them05:31
Lantiziajd, that is the same - but it's basically surrounded by what is that start of my little "guide" to reformatting the thing05:31
Lantiziajd, includes instructions on a larger /home by reconfiguring the vanilla emmc image and also how to get a fresh copy of MyDocs (with sample/autorun files) for copying back over once ext3 formatted05:32
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Lantiziaoh and it deals with ovi maps data too05:33
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vieweris this package ( something i could add to my n900?05:47
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ShadowJKDiablo == N800 and N81005:52
ShadowJKSo I wouldn't try it05:52
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jdLantizia, can you pastebin your osso-mount?06:06
jdmine apparentlyl got corrupted06:06
jder mmc-moun06:08
Lantiziajd, before or after the change?06:08
jdi dont know if i did anything wrong but there's a bunch of syntax errors06:08
Lantiziajd, did you type everything manually? I copy&paste my code over SSH instead - much easier06:09
jdyeah i copypasted over ssh06:09
jdbut i think i copypasted twice06:09
jdwhich might have fucked it up06:09
Lantizialol oh yeah it will06:09
Lantiziatechnically that file should begin....   #!/bin/sh06:10
jdok i works now06:10
Lantiziabut i forgot to put it back in - seems to work alright without it though06:10
Lantiziai just enabled voice on ovi maps :P06:10
LantiziaTURN RIGHT06:10
Lantiziaumm I'm in me hosue06:10
LantiziaTURN RIGHT06:10
jdi never tried that06:11
Lantiziajust found this online...
Lantizialittle gems :P06:13
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karnameHello , when I want to use flasher , flasher said suitable usb device not found and can't detect my cell in ubuntu , how can I fixt it ?09:16
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psycho_oreoskarname, have you set the maemo device into USB mode?09:42
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: karname, have you set the maemo device into flashing mode?09:42
psycho_oreosis the ubuntu inside virtual machine?09:43
karnamereal machine09:44
psycho_oreosdid you ran flasher as root?09:44
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psycho_oreoswhat is the lsusb output of the device in flashing mode?09:46
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ruskietry this.. launch flasher with the device disconnected... then plug it in when it's waiting(also make sure the device is off)09:48
robbiethe1stI second this09:48
ruskieusually works for me09:48
ruskieanother option is hold u key while plugging in...09:48
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meceI believe there is some difference whether the keyboard is open or not too.09:49
ruskienot for flashing iirc09:49
robbiethe1stIf the USB's plugged in when it first boots, it will attempt to connect to the flasher(usb icon for a second or so)09:50
robbiethe1stNo matter if the keyboard's in or out09:50
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ruskieholding u while plugging in just forces it iirc09:51
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Termanagood morning10:24
cityLightsMohamadAG: awake?10:25
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cityLightsflorian: hi10:27
cityLightswell some oe ppl just came in , hi guys10:28
cityLightsI am still seeking for help on the python hildon status menu issue10:28
cityLightsit may be a bug, but i dout it10:28
florianhi cityLights10:29
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Macerstill loving this keyboard on my n90010:53
lardmandid anything exciting occur in the SF afternoon sessions?10:55
Macersf afternoon sessions?10:56
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lardmanMeego conf10:56
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Macerprobably not10:56
Macertalk is cheap10:56
lardmanI know it's OT, but the meego channels are generally just filled with tumbleweeds10:56
cityLightsneed to decide on train10:56
lardmanMacer: I understand the council had a discussion of Harmattan with Quim10:57
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Maceri wil believe in meego when i see it on thge n90010:58
Macerand i mean a functional one.. not the pre subalpha that i tried a month ago10:59
Macerplus... my keyboard works in maemo... i don't think i really need anything else as long as the apps are updated10:59
Maceri will work on trying to make debs if i can10:59
lardmanoh I agree, it would be good to see some new hw though11:00
cityLightsany german ppl?11:00
Macerlardman: i suppose. wasn't there some thing in eu they were selling with meego on it?11:00
cityLightswhat do I need to consider when booking  a train online11:00
meceMacer: WeTab?11:01
cityLightsany release dates for the N9?11:01
Macermece: isn't that meego?11:01
Maceri wonder if anybody has one11:01
trist4ncityLights: god i hope there is one soon11:01
trist4ni am salivating11:01
meceMacer, isn't that what you asked?11:01
trist4nand i need to pawn my n900 before prices tank further11:01
Maceror do they even sell them yet? it kind of reminds me of the touchbook11:01
Macerwhat a horrid invention that thign was11:03
Macertotal made in china cheap garbage11:03
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ruskieMacer, you mean like all other electronic devices now-a-days11:05
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cityLightsMacer: I am seeking for the train station in frankfurt airport, what is the name of that station?11:15
cityLightshow do I say air port in german?11:15
chem|stcityLights: there was a bigbrother award given for all the unneeded details DB catches for a ticket11:15
chem|stcityLights: flughafen but airport should work11:15
cityLightsI see two flughafen options11:16
cityLightsone has a suffix of fernbf11:17
chem|stah where are you coming from?11:17
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cityLightswhat is ferbnf ?11:17
cityLightskarlsruhe to frankfurt airport11:17
chem|stactualy both should work, the one fernbnf is for out of town11:18
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cityLightsis it a dffrent station for in coming and otgoing flight?11:18
cityLightsok so  flughafen is fine to board a flight11:18
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chem|stthey build up a huge thing just next to the airport, that is fernbf and looks like battlestar andromeda11:19
cityLightswhat is M?11:19
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cityLightswas this the niko from golden delicius ?11:19
chem|st"Main" a locations specifier as there are many Frankfurts in germany11:19
cityLightso ok11:20
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chem|stMain is a river through it, the other larger Frankfurt is "Oder" and located just at the border to poland11:20
cityLightsI bother my SO enougth tring to book the first ticket11:21
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cityLightsmunich -> karlsruhe11:21
TomaszD_kulve: around?11:21
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cityLightsfigured I would rather spend 4hr more in munich11:22
chem|stif you search frankfurt (m) flughafen for from karlsruhe the trains listed end at Fernbf11:22
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cityLightsnow i see its 37 euro11:23
cityLightsfor a 1hr trip11:23
cityLightsaint there any cheaper way11:23
chem|sttrains go every full clock the odd hours have a trainchange in mannheim11:24
chem|stexchange time is about 12mins11:24
chem|stcityLights: not if you are on a short schedule11:24
cityLightsbut 37 euro is very expensive imho11:24
chem|stwhen is your departure11:24
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cityLightsI aim to arrive at frankfurt airport at around 19:0011:25
cityLightsboarding starts at 20:0011:25
chem|stoyu can have 27eur for 2.5h journey11:26
cityLightsCompartment type? "-|11:26
chem|styou want to just get a ticket right?11:27
Maceri live in chicago11:27
cityLightsassume I dont have a laptop (got the N900) what is the diffrence11:27
cityLightshi Macer, ok11:27
cityLightsI forgot what german trains are like11:27
cityLightsopen saloon with table is good - right?11:28
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chem|stn900 counts as mobile phone11:28
chem|stcityLights: you are booking seats for a 1h trip?11:28
cityLightswill I have a power socket in the "Open saloon with table"11:28
chem|styeah there is11:29
chem|ston top or beneath the table is a power socket11:29
cityLightsno idea what Compartment is11:29
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cityLightsi guess that I would be stock with three other ppl11:29
cityLightsbut all I need is a socket11:30
chem|stlittle box 6-8 seats11:30
cityLightsdo you preffer it?11:30
cityLightswe only have Open saloon with table in the israel trains11:30
cityLightsand no quiet zones11:31
cityLightstoo bad11:31
chem|sttwin seats over saloon table over compartment11:31
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cityLightswas sure the tablet ment socket11:31
cityLightsand more space11:31
chem|styeah right11:31
cityLightsso why Open saloon better then Open saloon with table11:32
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chem|stbut ice is "more space" anyway11:32
cityLightsor is twin seats != Open saloon11:32
chem|stI just prefer to sit with only one guy next to me instead of 3 on the table11:32
chem|stno twin seats is open saloon11:32
cityLightsI agree11:32
cityLightsok I will choose a table just in case11:33
chem|stI just asked s/o for powersockets but there are several sockets in each saloon11:33
cityLightsnear every sit?11:34
chem|stsome with some without11:34
chem|stlast 10 times I hit an ICE I wasn't able to move one meter from the door so I'd stopped booking seats11:35
cityLightsok, seems I can place the order11:35
chem|stbut that is mostly fridays rushhour11:35
cityLights2.5 euro commition?11:35
trist4nice is a bad thing to hit.11:35
chem|sttrist4n: well it is the best thing if you wanna go by train11:36
cityLightsbut this train is faster11:36
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cityLightsso you calim I may stand all the way?11:37
cityLightsonly 1hr...11:37
chem|stcityLights: well it's tuesday so no I guess you have an empty saloon anyway11:37
cityLightsso no need to play an extra 2,5 euro.... ok11:38
kulveTomaszD_: yes11:39
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TomaszD_kulve: /msg11:39
chem|stcityLights: all circumstances may happen11:40
RST38hMoo all11:40
chem|stRST38h: moaning11:40
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Maceri hate season 5 of babylon 511:44
Macerthe oddball season11:44
TomaszD_does anyone know if Zaheer Merali is still around these parts?11:44
TomaszD_zaheerm was his nickname11:44
chem|st~seen zaheerm11:45
infobotzaheerm <> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 325d 20h 47m 16s ago, saying: 'htc smart runs brew'.11:45
TomaszD_a year ago11:46
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TomaszD_that doesn't bode well11:46
TomaszD_is anyone here competent and willing to take Extra Decoders Support over?11:46
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MohammadAGanyone using youtube-dl?11:52
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cityLightswas looking for you11:53
chem|stTomaszD_: you may ask that on the mailinglists11:53
MohammadAGI'm always around :p11:53
cityLightsI checked with mikkov last night11:53
MohammadAGat least the bouncer is11:53
cityLightsand he couldnt find anything wrong in my UI code11:53
cityLightswhy can advance power and openvpn applet live side by side in the status menu11:54
cityLightsand my button disappers when I add openvpn applet?11:54
MohammadAGregistering with the same name?11:54
MohammadAGdsmetook -k /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu11:55
MohammadAGDEBUG_OUTPUT=1 /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu11:55
MohammadAGthat helps sometimes11:55
cityLightswhere is this registretion happening? the .desktop file?11:55
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MohammadAGNot sure, but maybe osso or something in your code?11:56
MohammadAGwhere's your code?11:56
cityLightslet me see11:56
chem|stis anyone here close to andre klapper?11:57
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cityLightsI dont see any register line in my code12:02
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cityLightsMohammadAG: there?12:24
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cityLightsok, I am off to catch a train12:30
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ShadowJKthe mozilla repos I had enabled offered firefox beta upgrade12:48
ShadowJKthis'll be interesting12:48
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robbiethe1stI'm running 6.0A1 nightlies, it works pretty well12:52
robbiethe1stOccasional problems(Java can cause crashes), but overall it's fine12:52
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ShadowJKI don't want java on my n900?12:53
ShadowJKFirst impression is that it uses less ram than ff4 release12:54
ShadowJKthe betas before used less ram than release too..12:54
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ShadowJKbut there's corruption when entering text12:54
cityLightswhat are you rubbibg on java?12:55
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ShadowJKi dont run java?12:55
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robbiethe1stoh, erm, I meant on my desktop. sorry.12:56
ShadowJKfirst crash :)12:57
ShadowJKno it's still a memory hog :)12:58
ShadowJKmisses keystrokes..12:59
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meceShadowJK, I crashed it when trying to write tmo post13:12
meceShadowJK, if we're talking FF513:12
meceShadowJK, semed marginally faster than ff4, but still checkerd all over :/13:13
ShadowJKit crashed 9 times in 10 minutes for me :P13:14
Venemogood morning Maemo13:14
ShadowJKthen N900 became so slow I closed it :)13:14
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MohammadAGmorning Venemo13:21
Venemohey MohammadAG :)13:21
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cityLightswell I will move to learn how to package my applet13:24
cityLightshope to solve the UI issue13:24
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chem|stShadowJK: which repo have you active? I got no fennec upgrade13:28
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ShadowJKdeb fremantle release13:31
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chem|stpressing update helps...13:34
infobotchem|st meant: pressing refresh helps...13:34
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cityLightsif only somebody could help me understnad why my code: and openvpn applet are registrating under the same name in hildon status menu13:49
cityLightsso when I run them both I can only see the openvpn applet button and not my13:49
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chem|stcitylights: no idea14:01
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Lantiziahmm does anyone know why my multiboot isn't showing up any more when i boot the n900?14:11
Lantizialast time it showed up i had a choice of maemo, maemo power kernel, and nitdroid ..........  chose maemo power kernel (could this be why)?14:11
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Lantiziai'd much rather use uboot to swap between maemo/android - but can't seem to find info on how14:12
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robbiethe1stIf I had uboot and android, I'd use it in a heartbeat, but I personally refuse to use multiboot14:13
robbiethe1stit does /bad things/ to the kernel partition: overwriting it each time you swap OS's14:13
Lantiziawell i'm googling - it seems someone has done uboot and droid, just can't find any cost hard howto14:14
mecerobbiethe1st, why can't you uboot android?14:17
robbiethe1stYou can, but noone's packaged it apparently14:18
robbiethe1stat least, not that I've heard14:18
meceso you need to compile an uboot android image14:19
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robbiethe1stProbably... And I have no clue how either uboot or android works internally14:20
robbiethe1stNor know C14:20
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG had a trick on howto convert compressed kernel images into uboot based ones iirc14:21
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lolcatsymbian is actually not that stupid14:23
Lantiziawhat an opening line14:24
* lolcat is installing skype on his N97 mini14:24
lolcatCan't wait for the N9 though14:24
chem|stlolcat: you cannot wait for anything new right?14:25
lolcatDisregard what I said about the N914:25
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lolcatchem|st: Like, that is going to revolutionatethe way I do phoning14:26
chem|stI use my n900 on a daily basis SIP skype GSM phoning14:26
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Lantiziauntil M$ says? what the hell is this linux client doing connecting :P14:28
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lolcatchem|st: I have installed skype twice on my symbian phone, still no Skype icon, arrrgh14:28
Lantiziaget a wind0ze fone... DER FUN!14:28
chem|stLantizia: they won't change skype services14:28
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lolcatI have only used 173MB on my phone14:28
Lantiziachem|st, nah they'd lose money - i was being sarcastic14:29
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chem|stbut if the libskype will come anytime soon the stars know14:29
Lantiziai do expect skype usernames to become on the MSN network though14:29
chem|stLantizia: won't happen anytime soon14:30
Lantiziai.e. MS chooses their own protocol for text, but skypes for video/audio and merge14:30
Lantiziaquestion is... msn messenger for linux?14:30
Lantiziaand yeah i'd like the telepathy skype library for i386/amd6414:30
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chem|stLantizia: sure how could I have msn without? (amsn)14:30
Lantiziausing skypes video/audio methods on msn though would break amsn's video/audio14:31
chem|stI think that maemo was the first tryout for bugtesting libskype14:31
Lantiziaplus if linux/mac/symbian/maemo users are paying for skypeout minutes then MS may release a msn mess client for them if skype becomes it14:31
lolcatI love the skype implemention in maemo14:31
chem|stas soon as there is a libskype or a skype.dll the services of msn will emerge into skype with noone noticing14:32
Lantiziamy worry of all the M$ skype nonsense... is what will happen to chan_skype (the asterisk skype trunk made between digium and skype)14:32
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lolcatHave you seen MS Messenger?14:33
lolcatIt is now 20% messenger, 80% advertising14:33
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chem|stwhat do I care about digium? a proper SIP wrapper build in would be lovely14:33
chem|stlolcat: have you seen latest skype? it is just the same14:34
Lantiziachem|st, skype already do sip trunks - but you can't call a skype username on them14:34
Lantiziayou can receive a call from a skype username using them though i think14:34
chem|stas I said: "proper"14:34
lolcatchem|st: Not really, I use debian14:34
chem|stlolcat: me to but it happens to be that I have it installed in my gaming-windows-setup14:35
chem|stlolcat: so how you know about msn then?14:35
lolcatchem|st: Is it as bad as the image I posted? A friend of mine runs Windows 7, I had a glance on his screen, then I puked and hit it with an axe :P14:36
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Lantiziayou have rage indeed14:36
* lolcat isn't Linux-enugh to stop talking to windowzers14:36
chem|stlolcat: not even close14:36
lolcatchem|st: But I prefer debian14:37
chem|stlolcat: got my girlfriend to try out ubuntu-on-a-stick and she is just coming up with CLI questions as she isn't interested in the gui but how CLI works14:38
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chem|stlolcat: which build are you at14:38
nid0lolcat: the screen posted is the current version of messenger (though that image does only have 2 adverts on it and is configurable), but a *lot* of people using msn still use the 2009 v14, which is all-round a lot nicer14:39
lolcatnid0: I use emesene with NO advertising. I feel it is easier. Also I like skype better. But unfortunatly some ofthe people I like to talk to doesn't agree14:40
robbiethe1stI use Pidgin(or, I used to anyway) for msn, yahoo icq etc.14:41
robbiethe1stThese days... IRC's all I log into on a regular basis14:41
lolcatHeh, I think I change my mind on Symbian14:42
mecelolcat, what was your previous state of mind, and what did it change to?14:42
lolcatSkype didn't appear, and it has been trying to log on to my gmail for the last 15 minutes14:42
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lolcatmece: I thougth, this cheap and old phone can do the most important things my N900 did. THen I installed Skype, didn't work. Tried setting up email, and it is still loging in.14:43
nid0symbian's mail abilities are and always will be infinitely better than the n900 thanks to 1 word14:43
MohammadAGSymbian is umm, retarded14:44
lolcatWell, my N97 mini won't log in. I was using a HTC Desire for about two weeks. It worked quite well for reading emails, youtube and looking at images of celeberties14:44
Lantiziaffffffffffffffffff my n900 is on a reboot loop, i got this _just_ the way i wanted last night14:44
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, no, not me, I only made a uboot-power package14:44
MohammadAGLantizia, what caused it14:45
meceLantizia, reflash kernel only14:45
Lantiziamece, so i don't loose apps?14:45
meceLantizia, if it's a uboot mess14:45
RST38hMohammad: It has got drive C: though!14:45
meceLantizia, yep.14:45
MohammadAGumm, a bootloop doesn't necessarily mean kernel14:45
Lantiziamece, i think it's a multiboot mess14:45
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MohammadAGLantizia, do you get to the moving dots?14:45
LantiziaMohammadAG, no14:45
Lantiziahow do i flash only kernel?14:46
meceMohammadAG, no, but it's a good idea to flash kernel first if you don't want to loose stuff14:46
meceLantizia, will wiki that for you hold up14:46
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Lantiziait's ok - got it on a forum post14:46
MohammadAGflasher-3.5 -F image.bin --flash-only=kernel -f14:46
MohammadAGif it's a messed up preinit on the other hand...14:47
MohammadAGRST38h, and Z:!14:47
* MohammadAG stabs Z:, caused me way too much problems in the symbian days14:47
Lantiziaok kernel reflashed14:47
mecethese newer symbian devices work pretty well imo.14:47
MohammadAGthey suck14:47
Lantiziaand multiboot is back - wtf14:47
meceMohammadAG, yes, but they work pretty well in comparison14:48
MohammadAGLantizia, multiboot hooks onto /sbin/preinit14:48
MohammadAGmece, with what?14:48
mecemultiboot is evil14:48
meceMohammadAG, S6014:48
Lantiziaim starting to get the impression multiboot is bad - theres _no_ way of doing droid with uboot ??14:48
MohammadAGLantizia, you can recover actually14:48
MohammadAGmece, I meant in comparison with what14:48
LantiziaMohammadAG, oh it's ok multiboot is offering maemo, maemo power, and nitdroid in the menu14:48
MohammadAGthere is, but e-yes isn't exactly looking into it14:48
MohammadAGLantizia, press 014:48
meceMohammadAG, symbian^1 or whatever14:48
MohammadAGSymbian^1 was the Vista of S6014:49
Lantiziabut i'm not thrilled at the idea of multiboot reflashing every time14:49
MohammadAGthat wears the NAND fyi14:49
meceMohammadAG, S60v5 or something like that. I don't know what they're called. 5800, N97 etc etc.14:49
MohammadAGI had an N9714:49
lolcatMohammadAG: I had one too14:49
meceMohammadAG, I never had at touch screen Symbian. I really liked my N95 though. Great camera!14:50
lolcatTHinking about it, this N97 mini has 8GB of memory, but I only have 150mb to install programs on14:50
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MohammadAGthe N95 was better than the N9714:50
MohammadAGbest cameraphone too14:50
MohammadAGLantizia, flasher-3.5 -F image.bin -u14:51
meceMohammadAG, yep. A good phone no doubt.14:51
MohammadAGthat should get you a zImage file14:51
lolcatWoho, after a reboot I got Skype14:51
mecelolcat, :)14:51
LantiziaMohammadAG, why do i want that?14:51
lolcatmece: Untill I clicked on it, got a black screen xD14:51
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mecenever go back!14:52
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MohammadAGflasher-3.5 -k zImage -l --boot=init="init=/sbin/preinit_orig ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6"14:52
mecealthough, I should break out my ngage and give it to the kids. I have some cool games on there. Especially with Frodo :D14:52
lolcatmece: I don't want to pay a lot for a N900 when I can wait for the N9 announcment next month14:52
MohammadAGLantizia, do that14:52
mecelolcat, so pay a little14:52
MohammadAGif that doesn't work14:53
MohammadAGflasher-3.5 -k zImage -l --boot=init="init=/sbin/preinit_backup ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6"14:53
mecelolcat, they cost < 200€14:53
MohammadAGthough I'm pretty sure the first one should let you boot14:53
mecelolcat, used..14:54
lolcatmece: I am in Norway14:54
LantiziaMohammadAG, no I was like already back in the phone ages ago - a simple kernel reflash worked14:54
MohammadAGI hate you :p14:54
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, hmm damn I thought you had that one line command which will convert from one sort of image (zImage iirc?) to uImage or something14:55
Lantiziaawwwww :(14:55
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MohammadAGmkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n "Maemo 5 - kernel-power-2.6.28 46" -d zImage uImage14:55
mecelolcat, ah, 100 stykker til salgs pa i Finland, 0 stykker pa qxl...14:55
MohammadAGis what I used for uboot-power psycho_oreos14:55
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Lantizialol i just read the topic14:56
meceLantizia, hah yep.14:56
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Lantiziaat least I've stayed clear of nitdroid on my n900 for like 1.5 years :P - i'm just curious about it, would prefer a uboot way if anyone knows of one14:56
lolcatmece: Norsk tastatur?14:56
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, though shouldn't that in theory be a rough guideline for trying to convert nitdroid's kernel?14:57
mecelolcat, nei, men hvis du må ha norsk, kan du sikkert kjöpe tastatur etterpå. Sorry my norwegian is a bit rusty..14:57
lolcatBut then I'd need special tools to change the kb?14:58
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, yes14:58
meceonly torx-5 I think14:58
MohammadAG6 mece14:59
meceit was a rough estimate :D14:59
meceTorx T6.14:59
mecebut wait, finnish keyboard is same as norwegian14:59
meceit's "nordic"15:00
lolcatmece: That is the same as what I had :D15:01
mecewhat happened to your phone?15:01
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lolcatmece: I was drunk, so I dropped it on concrete floor. So I took it to the shop (it had allready been repaired twice) and said their repair of the charging port was faulty and got a refund (4900NOK).15:02
lolcatI actually paid more like 3000nok for it, but then I got a packagae price since the insurance company was paying. So I got a bluetooth handsfree and a 16gb microSD card and some other stuff to drive the price up.15:03
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mecewell here's a listing of used ones. As you can see they're pretty cheap. "osta heti" means by directly, so that is an actual price.15:04
lolcatmece: But I'd prefer to use the 4900NOK for a N9 than to get another N90015:05
meceah yes15:05
mecelolcat, understandable :)15:05
meceguess you have to be patient then :)15:06
lolcatI think I can manage with the N97 mini untill june so I can see if tehre is an announcment15:06
meceby looking at that liist I think you can get one for around 150€15:06
mecewhoa! N9 thread is off active topics! \o/15:07
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lolcatSeriously, after two reboots and several minutes of frustration skype launches, I get to type in my login details and it freezes hafway :S15:08
lolcatI am starting to remember what was great about the N90015:08
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, there?15:17
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lolcatCan't we hack Nokia and steal their sourcecode?15:18
MohammadAGthat's not a good idea if you're a contractor :P15:18
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lolcatMohammadAG: Where is that guy who where going to give me my contractor cloak?15:21
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lolcatAnd I think Nokia will cut down on the usage of us as contractors...15:23
lolcatSeeing as they will loose marked shares15:23
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DocScrutinizerlolcat: weren't you clearly applying for a troll cloak?15:53
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lolcatDocScrutinizer: Why would it be a troll cloak?15:55
ruskiehmm freenode should have a /troll cloak15:55
lolcatI wanted a /nokia/opensourceadvocate/lolcat cloak, or something like that15:56
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lolcatSomeone has removed it from the list15:56
DocScrutinizerfax your contract with nokia and 'we' might consider it15:56
Sicelo911 666 66615:57
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ruskie1800-microsoft ;)15:58
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citylightsI am setting up currency converet, does prices in germany include tax?15:59
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DocScrutinizereven better: ask your contact at Nokia to send the contract to X-Fade or GAN90015:59
merlin1991MohammadAG: here now15:59
ruskiecitylights, all prices in EU include VAT15:59
ruskieunless they are business2business15:59
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ruskiecitylights, but why do you need to know that?15:59
ruskiecurrency convert is just convert from foo to bar16:00
ruskieunless you mean a price convert16:00
DocScrutinizerhow's VAT coming in there?16:00
edheldilbtw, I have just found that my autocompletion file contains a ovi store in plaintext. Either it got there from the login form or from pwsafe entry16:00
ruskiein which case you also need customs fees not just VAT16:00
edheldilovi store password16:00
MohammadAGmerlin1991, wanna test the threaded version of sociality?16:01
MohammadAGat least in the firneds window16:01
merlin1991but yea :D16:01
MohammadAGnot yet :p16:01
citylightsto know if I need to config the vat part16:02
citylightsseems wadges in munich are high16:02
citylights2750 euro16:02
citylightsaccording to lonly planet...16:02
MohammadAGmerlin1991, upped16:03
DocScrutinizerlolcat: I'll send you a link to the forms to fill for cloak, please fix your "hidemail" in nickserv, it should read or sth16:03
DocScrutinizeryou got a nokia mailaddr, no?16:04
lolcatI work for an independent Nokia contractor...16:04
DocScrutinizerso ask your "boss" about cloak then, he must have a addr16:05
lolcatSo if I change my email to a addr I get the cloak?16:06
merlin1991MohammadAG: should I notice any difference?16:06
merlin1991so far I can say it's still working :D16:06
MohammadAGmerlin1991, speed16:06
DocScrutinizerlolcat: no, you can't do that, as that addr has to be a working one, and it's nokia and your "boss" who will negotiate that16:06
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, click add as favorite16:06
MohammadAGit's instant now16:06
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mtnmanHello all...16:07
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merlin1991but you have todo something on the Photos window16:07
lolcatDocScrutinizer: May I have a #  Maemo/opensourceadvocate while I wait for my boss to process the request? Summer vaccation and all that slows things down here a bit...16:07
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merlin1991go into an album and watch crazyness on the screen16:07
DocScrutinizerlolcat: you should know you have to talk to council about that16:08
lolcatMaemo council?16:08
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merlin1991~seen X-Fade16:08
infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo (4d 2h 48m 2s) #meego (4d 2h 48m 2s), last said: 'lbt: first.last @ nokia.'.16:09
MohammadAGas long as the email header is valid...16:09
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mtnmanhello. i am trying to install mutt to maemo5 but it depends on slang1a-utf8 which apt-get reports as unavailable. is there a way to install this pgk?16:14
citylightsI guessing I need to examine more applets using the status menu and written in python16:14
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DocScrutinizerlolcat: if you don't have access to Nokia intranet where probably there are pretty good docs about how to deal with all that mail add and cloak and whatnot, you quite likely don't qualify for any "nokia" related cloak or mailaddr or whatever16:16
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lolcatDocScrutinizer: But a maemo cloak then?16:16
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DocScrutinizertoldy, you need to talk to council about that, and probably there's quite some general rules stuff on wiki - afaik there's just maemo/contributor/* available16:17
DocScrutinizerand you need some karma for that16:18
DocScrutinizeror otherwise prove you are a valuable member and "VIP" of maemo16:18
DocScrutinizeras the cloak suggests, contributions help a lot16:19
lolcat!karma lolcat16:19
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lolcatOh, you ment on the forum?16:19
DocScrutinizerkarma is not exactly a forum thing16:20
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DocScrutinizerplease refer to wiki about cloaks16:20
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DocScrutinizerlolcat: definitely your acting here doesn't exactly help to get *any* cloak related to maemo/nokia16:22
lolcatI feel I contribute to the discussions that interests me16:23
DocScrutinizeras a cloak always is a lil bit about competence and merit as well16:23
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lolcatI am competent with the N900!16:26
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lolcatI helped a guy setup fMMS once16:26
merlin1991GeneralAntilles: ping16:27
DocScrutinizerlolcat: you clearly qualify for the troll cloak16:27
DocScrutinizerI bet you can get /maemo/premium-troll in no time16:28
jaskais it fireproof?16:28
lardmanphosphorus coated16:29
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chem|sthey DocScrutinizer16:30
DocScrutinizerhey chem|st16:30
lardmanmerlin1991: trying to wake him up? :)16:30
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merlin1991ah shit16:30
* merlin1991 forgot about sf16:31
lolcatDocScrutinizer: At least I am not mean16:31
lardmanmeego-bar is not a very happening place, I prefer it here16:31
MohammadAGoh shit I'm not there16:31
lardmanmerlin1991: well if we're lucky he has irc running, if we all highlight him perhaps we can annoy him! ;)16:31
lardmanMohammadAG: no comments about explosives16:32
MohammadAGlardman, what about riots?16:32
MohammadAGit is a bar afterall16:32
chem|stlolcat: that seriously qualifies for... wait... ehrm... nothing?!16:32
merlin1991well I searched the wiki for cloaks, and found a pice of text saying to either contact him or X-Fade, and since X-Fade hasn't managed to find the time for my cloak I thought I'll try to contact GeneralAntilles16:33
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles isn't maemo GC afaik, X-Fade is, so only he can grant maemo cloaks16:34
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chem|stand X-Fade does not react on anything in the meantime16:35
lardmanMohammadAG: I like your thinking16:35
merlin1991X-Fade: promised me twice todo it, after the last time he went completely mia :/16:36
lardmannow where is our council, I understand they had a meeting with Quim about Harmattan (I read a few lines of TMO), when will we hear the masterplan?16:36
lardmanmerlin1991: he's been busy on the meego stuff hasn't he?16:36
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: indeed I'm a bit concerned about no proxy for x-fade exists16:36
merlin1991I have no idea, but he's been worringly silent on irc16:37
chem|stif karma is a real matter we should implement a #maemo thanks...16:38
MohammadAGhe can't grant cloaks16:38
MohammadAGhe can ask staff to do so :P16:38
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DocScrutinizerbasically it seems as soon as X-Fade "retires", a lot of the maemo infra will get into an orphaned state16:38
lardmanchem|st: I think karma has been seen to be a difficult thing to measure accurately16:38
chem|stlardman: I was just a bit short for a devel device...16:38
chem|stand being mod on tmo gives no karma but bad karma16:39
lardmanchem|st: when was this? The last dev device set - N900s?16:39
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lardmankarma is an interesting one, I would like to have another go at that16:40
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lardmanwould be good to have access to the raw stats to be able to experiment and see what sorts of different combinations could be produced16:41
merlin1991btw what are "Itt post", or "groups" regarding karma?16:41
DocScrutinizerchem|st: look, IRC doesn't earn me karma as well ;-P16:41
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lardmanmerlin1991: iit post is iirc the # of posts on TMO16:41
DocScrutinizerluckily XP16:41
lardmangroups is to do with Garage afaicr16:41
chem|stmy karma did't change much for the last 6 month16:42
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lardmanI have no clue what mine is these days16:42
DocScrutinizerInternet Tablet Talk -old name for tmo16:42
SpeedEvilI note that none of the proposals to count IRC lines has come to pass.16:42
* SpeedEvil sighs.16:42
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* MohammadAG checks his karma16:42
merlin1991also I have 6 karma from bugzilla, but don't remember posting anything on there16:42
lardmanSpeedEvil: that is a metric for meego though iirc16:43
MohammadAG1019 :(16:43
MohammadAGmerlin1991, voting counts I think16:43
merlin1991I didn't vote either16:43
DocScrutinizermaemo karma is about as useful as a hole in your belly nowadays16:44
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lardmanI have 58816:45
* SpeedEvil only 502.16:45
SpeedEvilKinda pointless.16:45
DocScrutinizerok that's mean, SpeedEvil - you clearly own as much karma as I have, which is ~30 more16:45
lardmandifficult really, it doesn't count e.g. commits to garage projects, things that I do16:46
merlin1991it also doesn't cover help on irc16:46
lardmanbut then it is accepted that karma isn't really a good way to go now16:46
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* SpeedEvil goes and votes on all the i386-extras-testing packages.16:47
SpeedEvil600 now! Woo!16:47
SpeedEvilI must have done something important!16:47
DocScrutinizerfor all that matters it works, which nowadays is... errr nuttin really16:47
lardmanput thumbs on all the news items too, that will give you some more points for no effort16:47
DocScrutinizerfsckng useless competition for highscore on a silly useless game16:48
DocScrutinizerfor all I can tell there's been some thresholds for karma that were like 10, 100, 30016:49
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DocScrutinizereverything beyond is useless16:49
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DocScrutinizerthere's no free night with Angelina Jolie for the the top ten karma of the month16:51
DocScrutinizerand it seems to me maemo karma gives undue bonus to tmo trolls16:52
SpeedEvilAnd people who design 'new n900 mockups'16:52
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MohammadAGangelina's old16:57
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chem|stjust started to give thumbs down to news about meego...16:59
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DocScrutinizermhm, are there any?17:00
lardmandocscrutinizer: sounds like a German insurance firm ;)17:01
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chem|stso klicked all thumbs down on meego topics I think...17:14
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mece(misterc == abill_uk) ? scary : scarier17:51
lardmandocscrutinizer: sorry for the slow reply, no your comment about Angelina Jolie and the top karma holders -
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LeakyPugis the hildon desktop responsible for the portrait rotation?17:56
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edheldillardman:  they clearly have better benefit programme than I do :)18:13
infobotedheldil meant: lardman:  they clearly have better benefit programme than I have :)18:13
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LantiziaHey did anyone find out why Nokia changed the "Nokia_N900.mp4" file in "MyDocs/.videos" from the old 33.4MB one to the 34.4MB one with different music?18:15
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meceLantizia, perhaps to show some new features?18:19
Lantiziamece, videos are identical18:20
Lantiziajust music that changed18:20
meceLantizia, perhaps they had a new song and wanted people to hear it :)18:20
Lantiziait's dreadful lol18:20
citylightsgoogle opened their API to tasks two weeks ago, and already I see an app for maemo18:21
LeakyPugi think the video has changed..18:21
Lantiziai would like to get an original copy of this too...
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LantiziaLeakyPug, nope it hasn't... i put them both on simultaneously on two screens and watched both18:21
LeakyPugi see a new tagline at the end of this new video,"online as it happens-Nokia N900".18:22
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LantiziaLeakyPug, they both have tahat18:22
LeakyPugwas it in the old one?..18:23
LeakyPugoh but i don't have the old one to compare now.. but i just watched the video after flashing last month.. just after u told.. and found it new to me..18:24
Lantiziai think perhaps nokia made a cock up on the original music (copyright grounds or something) and had to change it18:24
Lantiziajust a guess18:24
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Lantiziaalso a new music track too "Closer To Where You Want Me.mp3"18:25
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LeakyPugi lost portrait orientation after installing maemodder..18:30
LeakyPugbut i am not sure if it was lost there...18:30
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citylightslong time since I scouted the applications for the N90018:32
citylightsQradio is far better then the python client I used to have18:33
citylightsfm radio18:33
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citylightsoh ya, did anyone wrote a program for the N900 using ruby?18:35
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lardmanoo, we've panned18:47
lardmanhow's about moving the podium left towards the display screen, then zoom in on that?18:48
lardmanwrong chan18:48
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lardmanany problems with Maemo devel on Ubuntu latest version (11.xx)?19:31
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lcuklardman, specifically? are you running in 64b mode19:34
lardmanI don't have any atm, just wondering whether to upgrade19:35
lardmanit keeps telling me about natty narwhals or the like19:35
lardmanand it might even make my 3rd monitor come back to life, who knows19:35
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derflardman: The last is not likely until someone resurrects xinerama in the X server.19:36
lardmanderf: oh yeah, forgot I had to manually patch xserver19:37
ShadowJKxinerama is dead?19:37
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lardmanI don't really get it, surely people have more than two monitors these days?19:37
derfSadly, no.19:37
derfPeople have laptops and tiny little touchscreens.19:38
derfNo one uses desktops anymore.19:38
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derfThat's so last millenium.19:38
lardmanPerhaps it's time to start a one man crusade for multihead single Xserver support in mainline19:38
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ShadowJKabout the only place xinerama worked perfectly was intel laptops, handling lcd, vga and svideo :)19:38
* SpeedEvil wishes he could set on fire people that mandated widescreen.19:38
lardmanworks for me19:38
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lardman3 monitors, non-stretch mode, only one is accelerated though19:39
derfSpeedEvil: I'll supply the kerosene.19:39
lardmansingle x server though. Why anyone would want an x server per head I can't fathom19:39
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ShadowJKyeah, best thing about multimonitor is dragging windows between them19:40
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derflardman: It made sense in the 80's.19:40
ShadowJKor resisizng browser across all 3 to read certain shitty websites that don't allow wordwrap nor scrollbars19:40
derfI mean, it didn't, really, but users were less demanding then.19:40
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lardmanderf: phew19:41
lardmanShadowJK: I have 23" monitors, doesn't happen too often19:41
lardmanthough on a netbook the thing that gets me is the height of dialog windows, no way of even seeing the buttons at the bottom19:42
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lardmanso do people run with Natty Narwhal without troubles then? I'm itching to upgrade for no real reason19:43
derfIn any case, I think most of these problems stem from the fact that the people who actually want to get real work done on their computers is a dwindling minority.19:43
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Venemo_N900after the latest update of swappolube, I noticed that it also has now a power key menu entry19:44
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lcukderf I am more interested in using compute devices than spending hours coding them19:44
Venemo_N900lcuk, coding can also be fun :)19:44
lardmanderf: I'm being offered a shiny upgrade and it's my home pc, so I'm tempted19:45
lardmanbut I also remember the last time I blithely clicked "upgrade" and spend 3 days getting things working again19:45
derflcuk: I actually mostly don't use any of the code I write. That's not the fun part.19:45
Venemo_N900coding is usually fun19:46
Venemo_N900(as long as you have a good idea to implement and a well-engineered API to use)19:46
lcukVenemo_N900, people sit on the beach making sand castles19:48
RST38hSoo, what isnew?19:49
lardmanRST38h: N9 has been announced19:50
lardmanoh no sorry that was N900 and a year or two ago19:50
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lardmanRST38h: no news I'm afraid :(19:50
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RST38hoh well, none expected...=(19:51
RST38hThis place is slowly becoming #amiga19:51
lardmanbut it's not even 10am in SF, so there's still time!19:52
Venemo_N900lcuk, developing an app is a very similar experience to building a sand castle19:53
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lcukVenemo_N900, why do you think I said that19:56
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Venemo_N900lcuk :)19:56
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DocScrutinizer51#amiga ? :-D20:01
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khertanHi !21:11
khertanI ve try to run some qml example in qmlviewer, but complain it cannot import qtquick, does installing qtquickcompat package isn't enought ?21:11
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MohammadAGnever worked for me, I use import Qt 4.7\21:18
khertanMohammadAG: but will be a pain to modify all file just to see if it s run. there is so few things working currently21:19
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Venemo_N900lcuk, I still can't seem to install liqtutor21:26
lcukI still have not done anything more with it21:26
lcukthe code is there21:26
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Venemo_N900"the code is there" is the worst excuse ever21:28
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lcukVenemo_N900, :P21:44
lcukI will submit an updated set of packages asap21:44
Venemo_N900no rush21:44
Venemo_N900just most of the time when I ask something about an open source piece of software, they tell me, "the code is there, read it". but I rarely have time to read 1000s of lines of spaghetti code in order to find a single thing I'm looking for21:46
Venemo_N900lcuk, your code is better than average21:46
Venemo_N900but for example the meego-panel code was very annoying. suffering from the yo-yo effect heavily21:46
RST38hwhat is the yo yo effect?21:47
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RST38hVenemo: ah how familiar21:51
Venemo_N900RST38h, it is even worse in GLib-based C apps21:52
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Venemo_N900because of GLib's way of "emulating" OOP in a non-OOP language21:52
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RST38hyea,damn C++ haters :)21:55
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lcukVenemo_N900, when you build a sandcastle, generally everything is at arms reach.21:56
lcukwhen you turn it into concrete and build a town, you must drive to each location.21:56
Venemo_N900if you look at any piece of software based on glib that is longer than an example, it is _very_ hard to comprehend21:56
Venemo_N900for example hildon-desktop and meego-panel are both quite difficult to understand21:56
Venemo_N900lcuk, yeah I agree21:56
lcukunderstandable for what they have to do21:57
Venemo_N900lcuk, but if you follow some design practices of building towns, and you make a few tramways, then it will be easier21:57
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Venemo_N900lcuk, not really. gnome-shell does the same and it's a lot easier to understand21:58
RST38hVenemo: Then each incoming city mayor will either remove the tram rails or lay them anew21:58
RST38hVenemo: endless entertainment for everyone, and very profitable for whoever does the construction work21:58
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Venemo_N900RST38h, hehehe :)22:00
Venemo_N900usually the higher level the language and the more design patterns applied, the easier-to-understand code you will get22:01
RST38hVenemo: oh, don't start me on applying design patterns...22:02
Venemo_N900well, it's more like "not applying anti-patterns" than "applying patterns"22:03
RST38hMeanwhile: TEPCO Confirms Partial Meltdown of No.2 and No.3 Reactors22:09
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lardmanRST38h: hey ignore the unimportant stuff, there's a Meego conference running!22:15
RST38hlardman: I would not mind these two getting together22:15
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RST38hlardman: Would liven things upat the conference22:15
RST38hlardman: Radiactive fumes, people in the bunny suits, some radiactive lava, if we are lucky22:16
RST38hlardman: Definitely better than Meego Architecture Browser.22:16
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, I'll be honest, complicated code can only be understood properly by the one who wrote it22:17
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ShadowJKDon't forget the neural-sensor controlled cat ears22:17
Venemo_N900MohammadAG, yes, or the guys who spend equal amount of time reading it as those who wrote it22:18
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lardmanRST38h: lol22:19
lardmanMohammadAG: if you are drunk you may find you can also understand complex code22:20
lardmanbriefly, there's a window, it's like playing pool22:20
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MohammadAGI doubt you'd be reading code while (very) drunk lardman22:21
MohammadAGand even if you were, you'd forget what you understood by the time you're sober :p22:21
lardmanindeed, but it's like writing a classic, can't be bettered the day after22:21
lardmanor something like that anyway :)22:21
* lardman goes to get a glass of vino22:22
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lnxslackhi all22:33
lnxslacki need help to install dev tool kit in slackware22:34
lnxslacksomebody help me22:34
Venemo_N900lnxslack, what's the issue?22:35
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bjvon n810/diablo, How does one access the log from VOIP accounts that fail to connect22:37
lnxslacki need a txz package22:38
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Technomikehey :)22:41
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lnxslackwhat should install?22:47
lnxslackpackages that are found to debian22:48
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cityLightsany one here now23:07
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cityLightso , so speedEvil how can I solve the UI issue I have with my new applet?23:11
SpeedEvilI regret I have no idea.23:11
cityLightsI am using python and hildon status menu23:11
SpeedEvilHave you considered asking Jesus?23:11
SpeedEvilMore seriously.23:12
cityLightshow can I turn except MohammadAG ?23:12
SpeedEvilI'd look for similar applets in python23:12
SpeedEvilIsn't 'flashlight' in python?23:12
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MohammadAGturn what?23:15
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, no, C23:15
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cityLightsI mean I ask here and no one knew why openvpn applet covers my button23:22
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cityLightsI am using meld to compare my code with openvpn applet and cant see a similer line23:22
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SpeedEvilWhat happens if you uninstall openvpn23:23
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cityLightsI only need to move openvpn-applet.desktop away and I can see my button fine23:24
cityLightsI did use to build my own UI23:24
SpeedEvilI'd try the mailing lists.23:24
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DocScrutinizerHAHA, coremelt on Fukushima block 1 happened *before* the tsunami hit23:25
dm8tbrand they were telling BS about block 2 and 3 too23:26
ArkenoiDocScrutinizer, url?23:26
DocScrutinizerTV news23:26
dm8tbrmost reputable news sources should have it by now23:26
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dm8tbrthey admitted that block 1 was headed for new zealand before the tsunami already a few days ago though. today came news about 2 and 323:27
vldcnstI think google should geo target people that are in danger and insert an alert in search results23:29
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ArkenoiThe results of provisional analysis show that fuel pellets melted and fell to the bottom of reactor pressure vessel at a relatively early stage in the accident.23:31
Arkenoi"accident" started with tsunami hit or something else?23:31
hajhm .. anyone who knows if I can somehow sync a backup of the N900 to a Android-phone? contacts and calendar?23:31
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keriohaj: you traitor :(23:33
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hajactually no... but my N900 seems to not like me since it's decided it needs to go to a repairshop for 30 days ;)23:34
hajAnd I just got a android-phone with my new job.... :/23:35
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hajI'd like to have access to my calendar, and my contacts...23:36
hajActually I'm not very impressed with this Android-phone... It's pretty fast, but it's weird to use compared to Maemo..23:37
vldcnstdid you say you want to sync with n800?23:38
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hajvldcnst: N900 to HTC something... but i only have a backup :/23:39
vldcnstoh, I misread n900 to n80023:39
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hajvldcnst: common mistake :)23:42
* haj misses his N900...23:42
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hajOvi Suite must be able to do something with the backups23:42
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* Arkenoi syncs with google. sure when i tried to add e7 i got duplicate entries everywhere23:43
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rebelhey everyone with an n900 here ! right?23:44
vldcnstrebel: except haj23:45
SpeedEvilrebel: A sizanle fraction of people, yes.23:45
hajvldcnst: evil!23:45
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rebeli have problem with cssu configuration23:46
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rebelit dosen't read file?23:46
rebelhow to fix?23:47
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merlin1991reboot phone?23:48
rebelit had some problemo with theme cutomizer23:49
rebelits finne nowz23:49
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rebelhas anybody used gingerbread on n900?23:51
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rebelwana know if i can play games and apps?23:51
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Sicelo /topic23:52
nussewhy is there no debian/ in the ssu git repositories?23:52
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rebelhow i use this on n900???23:56
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rebelthis chatroom?23:56
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