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| cityLights | thnaks | 00:06 |
| cityLights | bye foe now, off to sleep | 00:06 |
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| tppercy | do any of the n900 apps support exposure lock? it tends to be bundled with exposure lock in low digital cameras | 00:18 |
| tppercy | *low end digital cameras | 00:19 |
| Sicelo_ | you have checked out blessn900? | 00:19 |
| * Sicelo_ doesn't have N900, so can't really say for sure what is there camera-wise | 00:20 | |
| tppercy | i'll check again but it didn't work on the buttton depress | 00:20 |
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| Malin_ | Is there a way to have the calender on N900 to have a schedule who repeats every second week? | 00:22 |
| cityLights | no | 00:22 |
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| Sicelo_ | u sure cityLights ? | 00:26 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc blessn900 is postprocessing? | 00:26 |
| cityLights | yes | 00:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Malin_: no | 00:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | tppercy: fcam can do fixed exposures. | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | tppercy: Aso - you do know it's a rolling shutter>?\ | 00:35 |
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| tppercy | SpeedEvil...was just playing with fcam...but exposure lock shouldn't be a problem...seeing manual exposure is supported...you'd just be 'locking' auto? | 00:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - you set the exposure - you don't lock it as such. | 00:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | If you wanted - you could add that feature to fcam | 00:40 |
| tppercy | i mean partiall depress the shutter to lock exposure while shutter button is depressed | 00:41 |
| tppercy | can the shutter button support that? | 00:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | The shutter button supports nothing. | 00:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | It outputs either 0,1,2 - for the not pressed, half pressed, or fully pressed state. | 00:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Making it do anything the hardware is capable of is a software problem. | 00:43 |
| tppercy | speedevil: cool thanks...yes...wasn't sure it supported the half pressed state | 00:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | the default app uses it for focus | 00:44 |
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| tppercy | yeah thats what it felt like...but wasn't sure if i was assuming it was doing that | 00:46 |
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| Lantizia | hey when flashing from amd64 linux - can i just force-architecture install the deb package? | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | yes | 01:20 |
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| Lantizia | jacekowski, no probs then I take it? | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | in most cases no | 01:21 |
| Lantizia | yeah it's working fine | 01:23 |
| Lantizia | strange no one thought to build a 64bit version when the old n810 flasher had one | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Malin_: cityLights: SpeedEvil: I think I heard of imported from google biweekly appointments working just fine on N900 calendar | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so it's probably a frontend limitation as usual | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | wasn't there even a ticket for that? | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a thread on tmo | 01:38 |
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| licensed | wow preenv is cool.. coolest games | 01:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | There was a bug, yes. | 01:44 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: are we going to see a post pic option in sociality anytime soon? | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, yes | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, right now, I'm working on threading and I broke the app :p | 01:56 |
| merlin1991 | perfect :D | 01:56 |
| merlin1991 | last time I wanted to attach a pic i checked and found the attach vid button | 01:56 |
| merlin1991 | wtf vid but not pic? :D | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | just attach a link to the pic :p | 01:57 |
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| merlin1991 | that way I'd have to upload it somewhere though | 01:58 |
| merlin1991 | also whatabout infeed pics? | 01:58 |
| merlin1991 | atm you get links that open the browser if there's a pic in a feed | 01:58 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, the next version has a lot of stuff :p | 02:00 |
| * merlin1991 wants it now | 02:01 | |
| MohammadAG | I'll upload it in a bit, once I remove my password from the source | 02:01 |
| merlin1991 | your password in the source? oO? | 02:01 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, chat implementation :P | 02:02 |
| merlin1991 | there is fb chat for c&c already | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | well, I'm not done with it so the button will just be hidden | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | btw sources anywhere? | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | gitorious, but I haven't committed since my password's there :p | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | damn it I even looked there | 02:05 |
| merlin1991 | but you fooled me with the qtbook name :D | 02:05 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, pass removed | 02:10 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: that's the unintresting part, gitorious pushed is more intresting ;) | 02:10 |
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| n900_space | hey all | 02:13 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/sociality | 02:13 |
| MohammadAG | don't complain about speed :p | 02:13 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: speed is so slow | 02:13 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, thanks | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | I didn't even dl it yet :P | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | I know | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | where does the -devel package put the binary? | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | I could've pulled a that's what she said... | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | /opt/usr/bin/sociality | 02:14 |
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| Lantizia | Lo, where can I get the fiasco-gen utility from? (for i386 or amd64) | 02:18 |
| Lantizia | just wanna merge a layout file and a custom mmc image together | 02:19 |
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| Lantizia | installing the SDK at the moment to see if it's in there - but it's taking forever to download | 02:19 |
| merlin1991 | WTF | 02:19 |
| MohammadAG | you can't, it's only available for armel | 02:19 |
| Lantizia | oh :S | 02:19 |
| merlin1991 | I can't run a simple script that removes sociality and updates it | 02:19 |
| merlin1991 | permission denied, even as root | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG | so wait for the SDK to finish, "forever" isn't too long :p | 02:20 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, n00b | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 02:20 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: true, forgot to chmod +x it | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG | LMFAO | 02:21 |
| merlin1991 | hm it crashed | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | interesting | 02:23 |
| merlin1991 | you going to lol even more | 02:23 |
| merlin1991 | fogot to chmod +x sociality in the update script too | 02:23 |
| merlin1991 | but funny that h-d shows me the spalsh | 02:23 |
| merlin1991 | and then the window dies | 02:23 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm sure it never crashes | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | only takes some time to parse the news feed | 02:24 |
| merlin1991 | ah now it's missing libQtFeedback.so | 02:25 |
| merlin1991 | wich package? | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 02:25 |
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| MohammadAG | I shouldn't be linking against that... | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, get the new binary | 02:27 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: now I'm missing libq-extras.so | 02:29 |
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| MohammadAG | install q-extras | 02:30 |
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| infobot | msg from chanop: pupnik, please stay on topic and DO NOT INSULT OR GO XXX, this isn't #politics and (usually) a worksafe chan | 02:34 |
| pupnik | lol | 02:34 |
| pupnik | you fucks know the israelis made the 8088 | 02:34 |
| pupnik | and the centrino | 02:34 |
| pupnik | oh lawl | 02:35 |
| pupnik | they are pwning security | 02:35 |
| pupnik | your linux is hopeless | 02:35 |
| pupnik | your hardware is pent | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: you joined to hold one of your monologues ? | 02:36 |
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| pupnik | i'm not going to live long | 02:37 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: now I'm @ undefinded symbol: _ZTIN10QtMobility13QGeoMapObjectE | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, apt-get install libqtm-12 | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | the newest version | 02:37 |
| pupnik | you don[t understand what the whole maemo thing was about | 02:38 |
| pupnik | elop won | 02:38 |
| pupnik | he need to ... eh | 02:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Maemo got killed before Elop. | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Intel killed it. | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | That, and nokias interaction with Meego. | 02:40 |
| pupnik | SpeedEvil freedom | 02:40 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders making a carbon fibre seat. | 02:40 | |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: even with libqtm I have the same undefined symbol | 02:41 |
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| pupnik | fuck the nazis | 02:41 |
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| merlin1991 | pupnik: are you drunk or something? | 02:42 |
| pupnik | open your eyes | 02:42 |
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| pupnik | we have lost | 02:43 |
| pupnik | you know what they are sucking up | 02:44 |
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| pupnik | every phone call | 02:44 |
| pupnik | goes to israel | 02:44 |
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| pupnik | lol | 02:45 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, think I'm gonna have to complain to achipa about that | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, can you try something? | 02:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer too tired | 02:46 | |
| MohammadAG | ls /usr/lib/libQtLocation* | 02:46 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1 /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1.0.2 /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1.0 | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | why the fuck is 1.2 1.0.2 | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | ls -l /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1 | 02:48 |
| merlin1991 | points to 1.0.2 | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | ls -l that | 02:49 |
| Macer | heh | 02:49 |
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| Macer | because nokia should have used qt to begin with and not try to piece qt into a gtk base after the fact | 02:50 |
| merlin1991 | goes to /op/lib/libQtLocations.so.1.0.2 | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | qt wasn't available to the n770 | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, is that a symlink? | 02:51 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, s/n770/770/ | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | Nokia-N900:~# ls -l /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1.0.2 | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Sep 10 2010 /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1.0.2 -> /opt/lib/libQtLocation.so.1.0.2 | 02:51 |
| MohammadAG | no, I meant /opt/lib/libQtLocation.so.1.0.2 | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | lnot that one's a file | 02:52 |
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| Lantizia | Are ext2 or ext3 formatted MicroSD cards meant to work with the N900? | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 02:53 |
| Lantizia | i just get "Memory card format unsupported" on file manager | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | You need to mount them manually. | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Or hack the mount scripts | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, sec | 02:54 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7153#c10 | 02:54 |
| povbot | Bug 7153: Built-in MMC scripts only support FAT-formatted | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | y | 02:54 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, this guy aapo.rantalainen is claiming it works fine with pr 1.3 | 02:54 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I dl the .deb of libqtm-12-location | 02:54 |
| merlin1991 | and the file there is called libQtLocation.so.1.2 | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: Well - bother him then. | 02:55 |
| merlin1991 | seems the apt install of it failed | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I have an ext3 mmc - and it doesn't automount. | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know what he may be doing. | 02:55 |
| Lantizia | this entirely sucks | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, hmm | 02:56 |
| Lantizia | mydocs can't be ext3 without hacking it, even the damned microsd can't be | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: that's cause both are meant to get exported via mass storage | 02:56 |
| merlin1991 | did a apt-get install --reinstall libqtm-12-location and still missing the fiels | 02:57 |
| merlin1991 | ls | 02:57 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, a ext3 mydocs does get exported as mass storage just fine | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | defeats the purpose though | 02:57 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, yeah, complain to achipa when he's on | 02:57 |
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| MohammadAG | I'll upload my self built lib | 02:57 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/libQtLocation.so.1.2.0 | 02:59 |
| MohammadAG | wait a bit | 02:59 |
| MohammadAG | it's still uploading | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: but yeah, I agree the maemo stuff jas way too many hardcoded strange hacks | 02:59 |
| MohammadAG | just replace /usr/lib/libQtLocation.1 directly, for testing purposes | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: and /opt(ification) is the worst of them | 03:00 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: found out why | 03:00 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, why? | 03:00 |
| merlin1991 | it installs to /opt/qtm12/lib | 03:00 |
| MohammadAG | well yes, besides that | 03:01 |
| MohammadAG | no symlinks to /usr/lib/? | 03:01 |
| pupnik | you have to work for freedom of information | 03:01 |
| Lantizia | I just don't want stone age FAT32 that can't handle files named with these characters! " * : < > ? \ | | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | for /usr Nokia messed up A), which meant nobody noticed they messed several things in B), and finally they did C) to "fix" it, which as well is odd | 03:01 |
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| Lantizia | i have music that uses them! | 03:01 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: you have to work for it | 03:01 |
| merlin1991 | and no symlinks to /usr/lib | 03:01 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: the package only installs the libs to /opt/qtm12/lib | 03:02 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, could you try rm /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1 && ln -s /opt/qtm12/libQtLocation.so.1.2.0 /usr/lib/libQtLocation.so.1 | 03:02 |
| merlin1991 | but does no setup to add them to /usr/lib | 03:02 |
| merlin1991 | nah | 03:02 |
| MohammadAG | CONFIG += mobility12 is already messed up, can't it handle that crap properly... | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: you got no idea what I'm doing all day and night - maybe I'm already a great fighter for informational freedom. -- but I honestly doubt we're talking about your monologs here and that you'd attribute that as information | 03:03 |
| merlin1991 | I'll start sociality with a different LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 03:03 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, could you try the new binary? I added QApplication::addLibraryPath("/opt/qtm12/lib") to it | 03:05 |
| MohammadAG | still upping | 03:05 |
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| merlin1991 | tell me when it's up | 03:06 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, upped | 03:06 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 03:06 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: still same stuff | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | grr | 03:07 |
| merlin1991 | but adding "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/qtm12/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" into your sociality startupscript fixes it ;) | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | that's annoying... | 03:08 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, oh, did I mention profile images are cached now? | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | say hi to /home/user/.cache/MohammadAG/sociality/ | 03:09 |
| merlin1991 | omg yay | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | oh and notifications aren't reparsed unless they changed | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | so you won't see the avatar disappearing bit | 03:10 |
| merlin1991 | you should resize the "like" buttons in the comments view | 03:10 |
| merlin1991 | especially in portrait they are too big | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | add favorites (title bar menu) works now, hold icon to delete favorite | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, the comments are a "hack", they're the same widget with "Comment" hidden :p | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | that's why like stretches, it takes up the comment buttons' place | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | button's* | 03:11 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, check out application settings | 03:12 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I didn't mean the horizontal size but the vertikal size | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, that's new | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | they should use the standard 70 size | 03:13 |
| merlin1991 | also go to app seting, bail out | 03:13 |
| merlin1991 | don't get it back anymore | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | what? | 03:13 |
| merlin1991 | sry, was hitting account settings instead | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 03:14 |
| merlin1991 | but I still don't see the attach pic button | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, patience is a virtue :p | 03:14 |
| merlin1991 | on the other hand, whiping a dev can have astonishing results | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, try hitting a youtube link | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | that's right, it won't work | 03:18 |
| * MohammadAG still can't figure it out | 03:18 | |
| merlin1991 | don't have any :D | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, lies, you do now | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | don't know your taste, so I put two links :p | 03:19 |
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| merlin1991 | porn and another type of porn? | 03:20 |
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| MohammadAG | we both know that doesn't exist on youtube | 03:21 |
| merlin1991 | unless 4chan starts another youtoube porn operation | 03:21 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: when you click on the link from profile it does *something* | 03:22 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, opens a phonon window | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | that isn't streaming for some reason | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | I tried using Qt Multimedia -> 403 forbidden | 03:24 |
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| MohammadAG | phonon doesn't have error reporting apparently... | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | phonon EEEEWWW | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | at least it uses gstreamer... | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, another layer over a layer over a soundserver over ALSA | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | phonon might be nice for some of the advanced concepts, like unified media handling, but in the end it's just another fuckedup bit of KDE4 that replaces ARTS which never worked for me | 03:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and phonon is acting up on KDE4 way more often than the old ARTS bae | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | based concept that at least offered alternative audio | 03:36 |
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| MohammadAG | I don't like the API tbh | 03:38 |
| MohammadAG | QtMultimedia seems to be better | 03:39 |
| MohammadAG | but it's not taking the damn cookie I pass to it | 03:39 |
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| MohammadAG | what's the command to suspend a PC? | 03:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | echo ram >/sys/power/state | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Or is it mem | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I can never remember | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | mem | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though you probably want to use a cmdline tool like s2ram or whatever it's called | 03:46 |
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| pupnik | ol | 03:47 |
| pupnik | lol | 03:47 |
| pupnik | how fucking dumb can you be | 03:47 |
| pupnik | shit swallowers | 03:48 |
| pupnik | how does it feel DocScrutinizer | 03:48 |
| pupnik | om nom nom | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed how fsckng dumb can I be | 03:48 |
| pupnik | glug glug glug | 03:48 |
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| MohammadAG | wtf is wrong with him | 03:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nothing new, just getting worse | 03:58 |
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| cehteh | mhm | 04:00 |
| Evanescence | I installed Hildon UI on my ubuntu computer, But I can not find session for Hildon to startup . how to open Hildon ? | 04:02 |
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| Macer | hm | 04:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I know I'm not supposed to do this, but I *had* to /ignore pupnik - so please tell me if he's posting *anything* again here. Thanks | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | umm - why not just ban? | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | still reluctant as he's a long known member of this chan, and usually a nice guy (except recently) | 04:14 |
| SpeedEvil | odd. | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I only had to /ignore as he's spamming me with "fuck" "read" "learn" "sucker" "shit" in /private query | 04:16 |
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| Macer | haha | 04:20 |
| Macer | wtf? | 04:21 |
| Macer | you sure it is really him? :) | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite sure, yes | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Whois] pupnik ist ~pupnik@unaffiliated/pupnik (pupnik) | 04:22 |
| Macer | never know | 04:22 |
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| Macer | someone could have gotten his fn pw | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nonono | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know him | 04:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Random - I assume the battery charger can only buck from the external USB supply, not boost? | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm wondering if I can connect a unboosted li-ion cell to it. | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Thought so. Oh well. | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no you can't | 04:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | use CA146-A or what it's called ;-) | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | it boosts | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | a bit | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I want to make a fairly small device. | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I can just hack one together I guess. | 04:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I got a 1000mAh with solar cell and boost, 95*43*11mm, with lots of adapters: ~10EUR | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you can chage via USB as well, on rainy days ;-D | 04:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | solar is fine though to always trickle charge it so it never goes flat | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | on self discharge | 04:36 |
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| Lantizia | I think I've finally got a fool proof way of making MyDocs ext3 :P | 04:42 |
| Lantizia | exports to USB and everything! | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:42 |
| Lantizia | only 9 lines on the terminal... no rebooting needed :P http://pastebin.com/eQY2ypzG | 04:43 |
| Lantizia | doesn't screw the n900 on reboot either (i.e it doesn't think mydocs is now /home) | 04:44 |
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| jd | that's pretty cool Lantizia | 04:46 |
| jd | i'll be able to move stuff from / or other dirs without permissions fucking up | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Will that mount when you reboot though? | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 04:47 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, yes :P and remount after using it over USB :P | 04:47 |
| Lantizia | the sed/echo lines are just shortened versions of patches I already found on the bugtracker | 04:47 |
| jd | from what i see the script reformats mydocs into ext3 and modifies some boot script | 04:47 |
| jd | so it should be permanent | 04:47 |
| Lantizia | the bit I've added is making sure the partition type is 43 not 83 or the n900 tries to use mmcblk0p1 as /home and the graphics/fonts get screwed on reboot | 04:48 |
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| Lantizia | 43 is the old linux native partition type code | 04:48 |
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| Lantizia | jd, it also at the same time allows ext3 formatted microsd cards | 04:49 |
| jd | that's even cooler | 04:49 |
| jd | i'm going to try it | 04:49 |
| Lantizia | btw the bit where it says "Pan" that can be whatever volume label you like :P | 04:50 |
| Lantizia | my n900 is nicknamed Pan though :P | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: neat | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: It's gonna blow away all of the stuff on mydocs though of course. | 04:50 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, oh of course - back em up over usb first | 04:50 |
| jd | yeah | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, sure | 04:50 |
| jd | i'm backing up right now | 04:50 |
| Lantizia | camera can save pics to it as well - no permissions issues :P | 04:52 |
| jd | 18gb is going to take a while to copy | 04:52 |
| Lantizia | of course you'll need a linux/macosx machine for usb mass storage now lol - that or the ext2fsd for windows utility | 04:52 |
| jd | yeah | 04:53 |
| jd | but i like ext3 way more than fat | 04:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | A vfat shim layer would be awesome. | 04:56 |
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| cehteh | a reverse fuse: buse block devices in user space | 05:06 |
| cehteh | take any filesystem and make it look like a block device formatted as FAT | 05:06 |
| cehteh | export that over usb | 05:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes. | 05:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Issues are scan time wil suck. | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | For some users at least. | 05:07 |
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| cehteh | well or just usb pan by default and start a samba when plugged ni | 05:07 |
| cehteh | in | 05:07 |
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| cehteh | anyone should push that at least for meego | 05:08 |
| cehteh | this n900 is my only and first smartphone, but how do others solve this. also by unmounting the data partition .. or by some propietary transfer protocols? | 05:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I solve it by using a 4G mydocs | 05:10 |
| SpeedEvil | And rsync/scp | 05:10 |
| Lantizia | ok well I just did a total reflash and start from scratch using the script (like a clean room test) - still works :P | 05:13 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 05:14 |
| SpeedEvil | My inital hope was that my 4G partition would mount on my printer - but it won't. | 05:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I should really try to get it working over wifi. | 05:14 |
| SpeedEvil | But my brain melted. | 05:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | buse is a nice idea, but has one showstopper problem: you don't have any relation between files and blocks when an alien OS is accessing this emulation | 05:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not to mention dirty caches on the alien system that get written back at random points in time | 05:30 |
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| Lantizia | jd, http://pastebin.bash-hackers.org/index.php?show=3 | 05:31 |
| ShadowJK | MTP might be a more realistic alternative | 05:31 |
| ShadowJK | but it's kinda unpopular | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | and clearly forbid any concurrent change of the data referenced by them | 05:31 |
| Lantizia | jd, that is the same - but it's basically surrounded by what is that start of my little "guide" to reformatting the thing | 05:31 |
| Lantizia | jd, includes instructions on a larger /home by reconfiguring the vanilla emmc image and also how to get a fresh copy of MyDocs (with sample/autorun files) for copying back over once ext3 formatted | 05:32 |
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| Lantizia | oh and it deals with ovi maps data too | 05:33 |
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| viewer | is this package (http://maintenance.maemo.org/packages/view/uptimed/) something i could add to my n900? | 05:47 |
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| ShadowJK | Diablo == N800 and N810 | 05:52 |
| ShadowJK | So I wouldn't try it | 05:52 |
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| jd | Lantizia, can you pastebin your osso-mount? | 06:06 |
| jd | mine apparentlyl got corrupted | 06:06 |
| jd | er mmc-moun | 06:08 |
| jd | t | 06:08 |
| Lantizia | jd, before or after the change? | 06:08 |
| jd | after | 06:08 |
| jd | i dont know if i did anything wrong but there's a bunch of syntax errors | 06:08 |
| Lantizia | http://pastebin.bash-hackers.org/index.php?show=4 | 06:08 |
| jd | thanks! | 06:09 |
| Lantizia | jd, did you type everything manually? I copy&paste my code over SSH instead - much easier | 06:09 |
| jd | yeah i copypasted over ssh | 06:09 |
| jd | but i think i copypasted twice | 06:09 |
| jd | which might have fucked it up | 06:09 |
| Lantizia | lol oh yeah it will | 06:09 |
| Lantizia | technically that file should begin.... #!/bin/sh | 06:10 |
| jd | ok i works now | 06:10 |
| Lantizia | but i forgot to put it back in - seems to work alright without it though | 06:10 |
| jd | it* | 06:10 |
| Lantizia | i just enabled voice on ovi maps :P | 06:10 |
| Lantizia | TURN RIGHT | 06:10 |
| Lantizia | umm I'm in me hosue | 06:10 |
| Lantizia | TURN RIGHT | 06:10 |
| jd | lol | 06:11 |
| jd | i never tried that | 06:11 |
| Lantizia | just found this online... http://www.pittnerovi.com/jiri/hobby/electronics/n900/index.html | 06:13 |
| Lantizia | little gems :P | 06:13 |
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| karname | Hello , when I want to use flasher , flasher said suitable usb device not found and can't detect my cell in ubuntu , how can I fixt it ? | 09:16 |
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| psycho_oreos | karname, have you set the maemo device into USB mode? | 09:42 |
| psycho_oreos | s/USB/flashing/ | 09:42 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: karname, have you set the maemo device into flashing mode? | 09:42 |
| karname | yes | 09:42 |
| psycho_oreos | is the ubuntu inside virtual machine? | 09:43 |
| karname | no | 09:43 |
| karname | real machine | 09:44 |
| psycho_oreos | did you ran flasher as root? | 09:44 |
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| karname | yes | 09:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | what is the lsusb output of the device in flashing mode? | 09:46 |
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| ruskie | try this.. launch flasher with the device disconnected... then plug it in when it's waiting(also make sure the device is off) | 09:48 |
| robbiethe1st | I second this | 09:48 |
| ruskie | usually works for me | 09:48 |
| ruskie | another option is hold u key while plugging in... | 09:48 |
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| mece | I believe there is some difference whether the keyboard is open or not too. | 09:49 |
| ruskie | not for flashing iirc | 09:49 |
| robbiethe1st | ^^ | 09:49 |
| robbiethe1st | If the USB's plugged in when it first boots, it will attempt to connect to the flasher(usb icon for a second or so) | 09:50 |
| robbiethe1st | No matter if the keyboard's in or out | 09:50 |
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| ruskie | holding u while plugging in just forces it iirc | 09:51 |
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| Termana | good morning | 10:24 |
| cityLights | MohamadAG: awake? | 10:25 |
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| cityLights | florian: hi | 10:27 |
| cityLights | well some oe ppl just came in , hi guys | 10:28 |
| cityLights | I am still seeking for help on the python hildon status menu issue | 10:28 |
| cityLights | it may be a bug, but i dout it | 10:28 |
| florian | hi cityLights | 10:29 |
| lardman | morning | 10:29 |
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| Macer | still loving this keyboard on my n900 | 10:53 |
| Macer | heh | 10:53 |
| lardman | did anything exciting occur in the SF afternoon sessions? | 10:55 |
| Macer | sf afternoon sessions? | 10:56 |
| * lardman goes looking for the irc logs | 10:56 | |
| lardman | Meego conf | 10:56 |
| Macer | heh | 10:56 |
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| Macer | oh | 10:56 |
| Macer | probably not | 10:56 |
| Macer | :) | 10:56 |
| Macer | talk is cheap | 10:56 |
| lardman | I know it's OT, but the meego channels are generally just filled with tumbleweeds | 10:56 |
| cityLights | need to decide on train | 10:56 |
| lardman | Macer: I understand the council had a discussion of Harmattan with Quim | 10:57 |
| lardman | s/of/about | 10:57 |
| Macer | haha | 10:58 |
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| Macer | i wil believe in meego when i see it on thge n900 | 10:58 |
| Macer | and i mean a functional one.. not the pre subalpha that i tried a month ago | 10:59 |
| Macer | plus... my keyboard works in maemo... i don't think i really need anything else as long as the apps are updated | 10:59 |
| Macer | i will work on trying to make debs if i can | 10:59 |
| lardman | oh I agree, it would be good to see some new hw though | 11:00 |
| cityLights | any german ppl? | 11:00 |
| Macer | lardman: i suppose. wasn't there some thing in eu they were selling with meego on it? | 11:00 |
| cityLights | what do I need to consider when booking a train online | 11:00 |
| mece | Macer: WeTab? | 11:01 |
| cityLights | any release dates for the N9? | 11:01 |
| Macer | yeah | 11:01 |
| Macer | mece: isn't that meego? | 11:01 |
| mece | oops | 11:01 |
| Macer | i wonder if anybody has one | 11:01 |
| trist4n | cityLights: god i hope there is one soon | 11:01 |
| trist4n | i am salivating | 11:01 |
| mece | Macer, isn't that what you asked? | 11:01 |
| trist4n | and i need to pawn my n900 before prices tank further | 11:01 |
| Macer | or do they even sell them yet? it kind of reminds me of the touchbook | 11:01 |
| Macer | what a horrid invention that thign was | 11:03 |
| Macer | total made in china cheap garbage | 11:03 |
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| ruskie | Macer, you mean like all other electronic devices now-a-days | 11:05 |
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| cityLights | Macer: I am seeking for the train station in frankfurt airport, what is the name of that station? | 11:15 |
| cityLights | how do I say air port in german? | 11:15 |
| chem|st | cityLights: there was a bigbrother award given for all the unneeded details DB catches for a ticket | 11:15 |
| chem|st | cityLights: flughafen but airport should work | 11:15 |
| cityLights | I see two flughafen options | 11:16 |
| chem|st | which? | 11:16 |
| chem|st | lmc | 11:16 |
| cityLights | one has a suffix of fernbf | 11:17 |
| chem|st | ah where are you coming from? | 11:17 |
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| cityLights | what is ferbnf ? | 11:17 |
| cityLights | karlsruhe to frankfurt airport | 11:17 |
| chem|st | actualy both should work, the one fernbnf is for out of town | 11:18 |
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| cityLights | is it a dffrent station for in coming and otgoing flight? | 11:18 |
| chem|st | no | 11:18 |
| cityLights | ok so flughafen is fine to board a flight | 11:18 |
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| cityLights | Frankfurt(M)Flughafen | 11:19 |
| chem|st | they build up a huge thing just next to the airport, that is fernbf and looks like battlestar andromeda | 11:19 |
| cityLights | what is M? | 11:19 |
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| cityLights | was this the niko from golden delicius ? | 11:19 |
| chem|st | "Main" a locations specifier as there are many Frankfurts in germany | 11:19 |
| cityLights | o ok | 11:20 |
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| chem|st | Main is a river through it, the other larger Frankfurt is "Oder" and located just at the border to poland | 11:20 |
| cityLights | thanks | 11:21 |
| cityLights | I bother my SO enougth tring to book the first ticket | 11:21 |
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| cityLights | munich -> karlsruhe | 11:21 |
| TomaszD_ | kulve: around? | 11:21 |
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| cityLights | figured I would rather spend 4hr more in munich | 11:22 |
| chem|st | if you search frankfurt (m) flughafen for from karlsruhe the trains listed end at Fernbf | 11:22 |
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| cityLights | Isee | 11:23 |
| cityLights | now i see its 37 euro | 11:23 |
| cityLights | for a 1hr trip | 11:23 |
| cityLights | aint there any cheaper way | 11:23 |
| cityLights | gosh | 11:23 |
| chem|st | trains go every full clock the odd hours have a trainchange in mannheim | 11:24 |
| chem|st | exchange time is about 12mins | 11:24 |
| chem|st | cityLights: not if you are on a short schedule | 11:24 |
| cityLights | but 37 euro is very expensive imho | 11:24 |
| cityLights | right? | 11:24 |
| chem|st | when is your departure | 11:24 |
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| cityLights | I aim to arrive at frankfurt airport at around 19:00 | 11:25 |
| cityLights | boarding starts at 20:00 | 11:25 |
| chem|st | tonight? | 11:25 |
| cityLights | 31 | 11:25 |
| chem|st | oyu can have 27eur for 2.5h journey | 11:26 |
| cityLights | Compartment type? "-| | 11:26 |
| cityLights | help | 11:26 |
| chem|st | you want to just get a ticket right? | 11:27 |
| Macer | uhm | 11:27 |
| Macer | i live in chicago | 11:27 |
| cityLights | assume I dont have a laptop (got the N900) what is the diffrence | 11:27 |
| Macer | nfc | 11:27 |
| cityLights | hi Macer, ok | 11:27 |
| cityLights | I forgot what german trains are like | 11:27 |
| cityLights | open saloon with table is good - right? | 11:28 |
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| chem|st | n900 counts as mobile phone | 11:28 |
| chem|st | cityLights: you are booking seats for a 1h trip? | 11:28 |
| cityLights | will I have a power socket in the "Open saloon with table" | 11:28 |
| cityLights | ? | 11:28 |
| cityLights | ye | 11:29 |
| cityLights | yes | 11:29 |
| chem|st | yeah there is | 11:29 |
| chem|st | on top or beneath the table is a power socket | 11:29 |
| cityLights | no idea what Compartment is | 11:29 |
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| cityLights | i guess that I would be stock with three other ppl | 11:29 |
| cityLights | but all I need is a socket | 11:30 |
| chem|st | little box 6-8 seats | 11:30 |
| cityLights | do you preffer it? | 11:30 |
| cityLights | we only have Open saloon with table in the israel trains | 11:30 |
| cityLights | and no quiet zones | 11:31 |
| cityLights | too bad | 11:31 |
| chem|st | twin seats over saloon table over compartment | 11:31 |
| Macer | blah | 11:31 |
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| cityLights | was sure the tablet ment socket | 11:31 |
| cityLights | and more space | 11:31 |
| chem|st | yeah right | 11:31 |
| cityLights | so why Open saloon better then Open saloon with table | 11:32 |
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| chem|st | but ice is "more space" anyway | 11:32 |
| cityLights | or is twin seats != Open saloon | 11:32 |
| chem|st | I just prefer to sit with only one guy next to me instead of 3 on the table | 11:32 |
| chem|st | no twin seats is open saloon | 11:32 |
| cityLights | I agree | 11:32 |
| cityLights | ok I will choose a table just in case | 11:33 |
| chem|st | I just asked s/o for powersockets but there are several sockets in each saloon | 11:33 |
| cityLights | near every sit? | 11:34 |
| chem|st | some with some without | 11:34 |
| chem|st | afair | 11:34 |
| chem|st | last 10 times I hit an ICE I wasn't able to move one meter from the door so I'd stopped booking seats | 11:35 |
| cityLights | ok, seems I can place the order | 11:35 |
| chem|st | but that is mostly fridays rushhour | 11:35 |
| cityLights | 2.5 euro commition? | 11:35 |
| trist4n | ice is a bad thing to hit. | 11:35 |
| chem|st | trist4n: well it is the best thing if you wanna go by train | 11:36 |
| cityLights | but this train is faster | 11:36 |
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| cityLights | so you calim I may stand all the way? | 11:37 |
| cityLights | only 1hr... | 11:37 |
| chem|st | cityLights: well it's tuesday so no I guess you have an empty saloon anyway | 11:37 |
| cityLights | so no need to play an extra 2,5 euro.... ok | 11:38 |
| kulve | TomaszD_: yes | 11:39 |
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| TomaszD_ | kulve: /msg | 11:39 |
| chem|st | cityLights: all circumstances may happen | 11:40 |
| RST38h | Moo all | 11:40 |
| chem|st | RST38h: moaning | 11:40 |
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| Macer | i hate season 5 of babylon 5 | 11:44 |
| Macer | the oddball season | 11:44 |
| TomaszD_ | does anyone know if Zaheer Merali is still around these parts? | 11:44 |
| TomaszD_ | zaheerm was his nickname | 11:44 |
| chem|st | ~seen zaheerm | 11:45 |
| infobot | zaheerm <~zaheer@93-97-43-61.zone5.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 325d 20h 47m 16s ago, saying: 'htc smart runs brew'. | 11:45 |
| TomaszD_ | a year ago | 11:46 |
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| chem|st | about... | 11:46 |
| TomaszD_ | that doesn't bode well | 11:46 |
| TomaszD_ | ok | 11:46 |
| TomaszD_ | is anyone here competent and willing to take Extra Decoders Support over? | 11:46 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone using youtube-dl? | 11:52 |
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| cityLights | MohammadAG! | 11:53 |
| MohammadAG | hi | 11:53 |
| cityLights | was looking for you | 11:53 |
| chem|st | TomaszD_: you may ask that on the mailinglists | 11:53 |
| MohammadAG | I'm always around :p | 11:53 |
| cityLights | I checked with mikkov last night | 11:53 |
| MohammadAG | at least the bouncer is | 11:53 |
| cityLights | and he couldnt find anything wrong in my UI code | 11:53 |
| cityLights | why can advance power and openvpn applet live side by side in the status menu | 11:54 |
| cityLights | and my button disappers when I add openvpn applet? | 11:54 |
| MohammadAG | registering with the same name? | 11:54 |
| MohammadAG | dsmetook -k /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG | DEBUG_OUTPUT=1 /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG | that helps sometimes | 11:55 |
| cityLights | where is this registretion happening? the .desktop file? | 11:55 |
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| MohammadAG | Not sure, but maybe osso or something in your code? | 11:56 |
| MohammadAG | where's your code? | 11:56 |
| cityLights | let me see | 11:56 |
| chem|st | is anyone here close to andre klapper? | 11:57 |
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| cityLights | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233106 | 11:57 |
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| cityLights | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233053 | 11:58 |
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| cityLights | I dont see any register line in my code | 12:02 |
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| cityLights | MohammadAG: there? | 12:24 |
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| cityLights | ok, I am off to catch a train | 12:30 |
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| ShadowJK | hm | 12:48 |
| ShadowJK | the mozilla repos I had enabled offered firefox beta upgrade | 12:48 |
| ShadowJK | this'll be interesting | 12:48 |
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| robbiethe1st | I'm running 6.0A1 nightlies, it works pretty well | 12:52 |
| robbiethe1st | Occasional problems(Java can cause crashes), but overall it's fine | 12:52 |
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| ShadowJK | um | 12:53 |
| ShadowJK | I don't want java on my n900? | 12:53 |
| ShadowJK | First impression is that it uses less ram than ff4 release | 12:54 |
| ShadowJK | the betas before used less ram than release too.. | 12:54 |
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| cityLights | ok | 12:54 |
| ShadowJK | but there's corruption when entering text | 12:54 |
| cityLights | what are you rubbibg on java? | 12:55 |
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| ShadowJK | i dont run java? | 12:55 |
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| robbiethe1st | oh, erm, I meant on my desktop. sorry. | 12:56 |
| ShadowJK | first crash :) | 12:57 |
| ShadowJK | no it's still a memory hog :) | 12:58 |
| ShadowJK | misses keystrokes.. | 12:59 |
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| mece | ShadowJK, I crashed it when trying to write tmo post | 13:12 |
| mece | ShadowJK, if we're talking FF5 | 13:12 |
| ShadowJK | ya | 13:13 |
| mece | ShadowJK, semed marginally faster than ff4, but still checkerd all over :/ | 13:13 |
| ShadowJK | it crashed 9 times in 10 minutes for me :P | 13:14 |
| Venemo | good morning Maemo | 13:14 |
| ShadowJK | then N900 became so slow I closed it :) | 13:14 |
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| MohammadAG | morning Venemo | 13:21 |
| Venemo | hey MohammadAG :) | 13:21 |
| cityLights | :-/ | 13:22 |
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| cityLights | well I will move to learn how to package my applet | 13:24 |
| cityLights | hope to solve the UI issue | 13:24 |
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| chem|st | ShadowJK: which repo have you active? I got no fennec upgrade | 13:28 |
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| ShadowJK | deb http://moff.mozilla.com/latest-beta/maemo/multi/ fremantle release | 13:31 |
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| chem|st | pressing update helps... | 13:34 |
| chem|st | s/update/refresh/ | 13:34 |
| infobot | chem|st meant: pressing refresh helps... | 13:34 |
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| cityLights | if only somebody could help me understnad why my code: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233053 and openvpn applet are registrating under the same name in hildon status menu | 13:49 |
| cityLights | so when I run them both I can only see the openvpn applet button and not my | 13:49 |
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| cityLights | brb | 13:51 |
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| chem|st | citylights: no idea | 14:01 |
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| Lantizia | hmm does anyone know why my multiboot isn't showing up any more when i boot the n900? | 14:11 |
| Lantizia | last time it showed up i had a choice of maemo, maemo power kernel, and nitdroid .......... chose maemo power kernel (could this be why)? | 14:11 |
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| robbiethe1st | Yes... | 14:12 |
| robbiethe1st | erm | 14:12 |
| Lantizia | i'd much rather use uboot to swap between maemo/android - but can't seem to find info on how | 14:12 |
| robbiethe1st | wait | 14:12 |
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| robbiethe1st | If I had uboot and android, I'd use it in a heartbeat, but I personally refuse to use multiboot | 14:13 |
| robbiethe1st | it does /bad things/ to the kernel partition: overwriting it each time you swap OS's | 14:13 |
| Lantizia | well i'm googling - it seems someone has done uboot and droid, just can't find any cost hard howto | 14:14 |
| Lantizia | *cold | 14:14 |
| mece | robbiethe1st, why can't you uboot android? | 14:17 |
| robbiethe1st | You can, but noone's packaged it apparently | 14:18 |
| robbiethe1st | at least, not that I've heard | 14:18 |
| mece | so you need to compile an uboot android image | 14:19 |
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| robbiethe1st | Probably... And I have no clue how either uboot or android works internally | 14:20 |
| robbiethe1st | Nor know C | 14:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG had a trick on howto convert compressed kernel images into uboot based ones iirc | 14:21 |
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| lolcat | symbian is actually not that stupid | 14:23 |
| Lantizia | what an opening line | 14:24 |
| * lolcat is installing skype on his N97 mini | 14:24 | |
| lolcat | Can't wait for the N9 though | 14:24 |
| chem|st | lolcat: you cannot wait for anything new right? | 14:25 |
| lolcat | Disregard what I said about the N9 | 14:25 |
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| lolcat | Symbian* | 14:26 |
| lolcat | chem|st: Like, that is going to revolutionatethe way I do phoning | 14:26 |
| chem|st | I use my n900 on a daily basis SIP skype GSM phoning | 14:26 |
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| Lantizia | until M$ says? what the hell is this linux client doing connecting :P | 14:28 |
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| lolcat | chem|st: I have installed skype twice on my symbian phone, still no Skype icon, arrrgh | 14:28 |
| Lantizia | get a wind0ze fone... DER FUN! | 14:28 |
| chem|st | Lantizia: they won't change skype services | 14:28 |
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| lolcat | I have only used 173MB on my phone | 14:28 |
| Lantizia | chem|st, nah they'd lose money - i was being sarcastic | 14:29 |
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| chem|st | but if the libskype will come anytime soon the stars know | 14:29 |
| Lantizia | i do expect skype usernames to become username@skype.com on the MSN network though | 14:29 |
| chem|st | Lantizia: won't happen anytime soon | 14:30 |
| Lantizia | i.e. MS chooses their own protocol for text, but skypes for video/audio and merge | 14:30 |
| Lantizia | question is... msn messenger for linux? | 14:30 |
| Lantizia | and yeah i'd like the telepathy skype library for i386/amd64 | 14:30 |
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| chem|st | Lantizia: sure how could I have msn without? (amsn) | 14:30 |
| Lantizia | using skypes video/audio methods on msn though would break amsn's video/audio | 14:31 |
| chem|st | I think that maemo was the first tryout for bugtesting libskype | 14:31 |
| Lantizia | plus if linux/mac/symbian/maemo users are paying for skypeout minutes then MS may release a msn mess client for them if skype becomes it | 14:31 |
| lolcat | I love the skype implemention in maemo | 14:31 |
| chem|st | as soon as there is a libskype or a skype.dll the services of msn will emerge into skype with noone noticing | 14:32 |
| Lantizia | my worry of all the M$ skype nonsense... is what will happen to chan_skype (the asterisk skype trunk made between digium and skype) | 14:32 |
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| lolcat | Have you seen MS Messenger? | 14:33 |
| lolcat | It is now 20% messenger, 80% advertising | 14:33 |
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| chem|st | what do I care about digium? a proper SIP wrapper build in would be lovely | 14:33 |
| chem|st | lolcat: have you seen latest skype? it is just the same | 14:34 |
| lolcat | http://www.robinbenedict.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/windows-live-messenger-2011-wlm.jpg | 14:34 |
| Lantizia | chem|st, skype already do sip trunks - but you can't call a skype username on them | 14:34 |
| Lantizia | you can receive a call from a skype username using them though i think | 14:34 |
| chem|st | as I said: "proper" | 14:34 |
| lolcat | chem|st: Not really, I use debian | 14:34 |
| chem|st | lolcat: me to but it happens to be that I have it installed in my gaming-windows-setup | 14:35 |
| chem|st | lolcat: so how you know about msn then? | 14:35 |
| lolcat | chem|st: Is it as bad as the image I posted? A friend of mine runs Windows 7, I had a glance on his screen, then I puked and hit it with an axe :P | 14:36 |
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| Lantizia | you have rage indeed | 14:36 |
| * lolcat isn't Linux-enugh to stop talking to windowzers | 14:36 | |
| chem|st | lolcat: not even close | 14:36 |
| lolcat | chem|st: But I prefer debian | 14:37 |
| chem|st | lolcat: got my girlfriend to try out ubuntu-on-a-stick and she is just coming up with CLI questions as she isn't interested in the gui but how CLI works | 14:38 |
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| chem|st | lolcat: which build are you at | 14:38 |
| nid0 | lolcat: the screen posted is the current version of messenger (though that image does only have 2 adverts on it and is configurable), but a *lot* of people using msn still use the 2009 v14, which is all-round a lot nicer | 14:39 |
| lolcat | 2.6.32-5-amd64? | 14:39 |
| lolcat | nid0: I use emesene with NO advertising. I feel it is easier. Also I like skype better. But unfortunatly some ofthe people I like to talk to doesn't agree | 14:40 |
| robbiethe1st | I use Pidgin(or, I used to anyway) for msn, yahoo icq etc. | 14:41 |
| robbiethe1st | These days... IRC's all I log into on a regular basis | 14:41 |
| lolcat | Heh, I think I change my mind on Symbian | 14:42 |
| mece | lolcat, what was your previous state of mind, and what did it change to? | 14:42 |
| lolcat | Skype didn't appear, and it has been trying to log on to my gmail for the last 15 minutes | 14:42 |
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| lolcat | mece: I thougth, this cheap and old phone can do the most important things my N900 did. THen I installed Skype, didn't work. Tried setting up email, and it is still loging in. | 14:43 |
| nid0 | symbian's mail abilities are and always will be infinitely better than the n900 thanks to 1 word | 14:43 |
| nid0 | profimail | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | Symbian is umm, retarded | 14:44 |
| lolcat | Well, my N97 mini won't log in. I was using a HTC Desire for about two weeks. It worked quite well for reading emails, youtube and looking at images of celeberties | 14:44 |
| Lantizia | ffffffffffffffffff my n900 is on a reboot loop, i got this _just_ the way i wanted last night | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, no, not me, I only made a uboot-power package | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG | Lantizia, what caused it | 14:45 |
| mece | Lantizia, reflash kernel only | 14:45 |
| Lantizia | mece, so i don't loose apps? | 14:45 |
| mece | Lantizia, if it's a uboot mess | 14:45 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: It has got drive C: though! | 14:45 |
| mece | Lantizia, yep. | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | umm, a bootloop doesn't necessarily mean kernel | 14:45 |
| Lantizia | mece, i think it's a multiboot mess | 14:45 |
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| MohammadAG | Lantizia, do you get to the moving dots? | 14:45 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG, no | 14:45 |
| Lantizia | how do i flash only kernel? | 14:46 |
| mece | MohammadAG, no, but it's a good idea to flash kernel first if you don't want to loose stuff | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | --flash-only=kernel | 14:46 |
| mece | Lantizia, will wiki that for you hold up | 14:46 |
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| Lantizia | it's ok - got it on a forum post | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -F image.bin --flash-only=kernel -f | 14:46 |
| mece | Lantizia, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | if it's a messed up preinit on the other hand... | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, and Z:! | 14:47 |
| * MohammadAG stabs Z:, caused me way too much problems in the symbian days | 14:47 | |
| MohammadAG | s/much/many | 14:47 |
| Lantizia | ok kernel reflashed | 14:47 |
| mece | these newer symbian devices work pretty well imo. | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | they suck | 14:47 |
| Lantizia | and multiboot is back - wtf | 14:47 |
| mece | MohammadAG, yes, but they work pretty well in comparison | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | Lantizia, multiboot hooks onto /sbin/preinit | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | mece, with what? | 14:48 |
| mece | multiboot is evil | 14:48 |
| mece | MohammadAG, S60 | 14:48 |
| Lantizia | im starting to get the impression multiboot is bad - theres _no_ way of doing droid with uboot ?? | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | Lantizia, you can recover actually | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | mece, I meant in comparison with what | 14:48 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG, oh it's ok multiboot is offering maemo, maemo power, and nitdroid in the menu | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | there is, but e-yes isn't exactly looking into it | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | Lantizia, press 0 | 14:48 |
| mece | MohammadAG, symbian^1 or whatever | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | Symbian^1 was the Vista of S60 | 14:49 |
| Lantizia | but i'm not thrilled at the idea of multiboot reflashing every time | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | that wears the NAND fyi | 14:49 |
| mece | MohammadAG, S60v5 or something like that. I don't know what they're called. 5800, N97 etc etc. | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | I had an N97 | 14:49 |
| lolcat | MohammadAG: I had one too | 14:49 |
| mece | MohammadAG, I never had at touch screen Symbian. I really liked my N95 though. Great camera! | 14:50 |
| lolcat | THinking about it, this N97 mini has 8GB of memory, but I only have 150mb to install programs on | 14:50 |
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| MohammadAG | the N95 was better than the N97 | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | best cameraphone too | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | Lantizia, flasher-3.5 -F image.bin -u | 14:51 |
| mece | MohammadAG, yep. A good phone no doubt. | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | that should get you a zImage file | 14:51 |
| lolcat | Woho, after a reboot I got Skype | 14:51 |
| mece | lolcat, :) | 14:51 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG, why do i want that? | 14:51 |
| lolcat | mece: Untill I clicked on it, got a black screen xD | 14:51 |
| mece | hehhe | 14:51 |
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| mece | never go back! | 14:52 |
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| MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l --boot=init="init=/sbin/preinit_orig ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6" | 14:52 |
| mece | although, I should break out my ngage and give it to the kids. I have some cool games on there. Especially with Frodo :D | 14:52 |
| lolcat | mece: I don't want to pay a lot for a N900 when I can wait for the N9 announcment next month | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | Lantizia, do that | 14:52 |
| mece | lolcat, so pay a little | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | if that doesn't work | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l --boot=init="init=/sbin/preinit_backup ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6" | 14:53 |
| mece | lolcat, they cost < 200€ | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | though I'm pretty sure the first one should let you boot | 14:53 |
| mece | lolcat, used.. | 14:54 |
| lolcat | mece: I am in Norway | 14:54 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG, no I was like already back in the phone ages ago - a simple kernel reflash worked | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | I hate you :p | 14:54 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, hmm damn I thought you had that one line command which will convert from one sort of image (zImage iirc?) to uImage or something | 14:55 |
| Lantizia | awwwww :( | 14:55 |
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| MohammadAG | mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n "Maemo 5 - kernel-power-2.6.28 46" -d zImage uImage | 14:55 |
| mece | lolcat, ah, 100 stykker til salgs pa huuto.net i Finland, 0 stykker pa qxl... | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | is what I used for uboot-power psycho_oreos | 14:55 |
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| Lantizia | lol i just read the topic | 14:56 |
| mece | Lantizia, hah yep. | 14:56 |
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| Lantizia | at least I've stayed clear of nitdroid on my n900 for like 1.5 years :P - i'm just curious about it, would prefer a uboot way if anyone knows of one | 14:56 |
| lolcat | mece: Norsk tastatur? | 14:56 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, though shouldn't that in theory be a rough guideline for trying to convert nitdroid's kernel? | 14:57 |
| mece | lolcat, nei, men hvis du må ha norsk, kan du sikkert kjöpe tastatur etterpå. Sorry my norwegian is a bit rusty.. | 14:57 |
| lolcat | But then I'd need special tools to change the kb? | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, yes | 14:58 |
| mece | only torx-5 I think | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | 6 mece | 14:59 |
| mece | 6 | 14:59 |
| mece | :) | 14:59 |
| mece | it was a rough estimate :D | 14:59 |
| mece | Torx T6. | 14:59 |
| mece | but wait, finnish keyboard is same as norwegian | 14:59 |
| mece | lolcat, http://www.cs.hut.fi/~kirma/n900-nordic.jpg | 15:00 |
| mece | it's "nordic" | 15:00 |
| lolcat | mece: That is the same as what I had :D | 15:01 |
| mece | what happened to your phone? | 15:01 |
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| lolcat | mece: I was drunk, so I dropped it on concrete floor. So I took it to the shop (it had allready been repaired twice) and said their repair of the charging port was faulty and got a refund (4900NOK). | 15:02 |
| lolcat | I actually paid more like 3000nok for it, but then I got a packagae price since the insurance company was paying. So I got a bluetooth handsfree and a 16gb microSD card and some other stuff to drive the price up. | 15:03 |
| mece | oh.. | 15:04 |
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| mece | well here's a listing of used ones. As you can see they're pretty cheap. "osta heti" means by directly, so that is an actual price. | 15:04 |
| mece | http://www.huuto.net/fi/showlist.php3?tits=N900&ccat=505&ncat[]=505&odir=A&order=R&start=0&num=50 | 15:04 |
| lolcat | mece: But I'd prefer to use the 4900NOK for a N9 than to get another N900 | 15:05 |
| mece | ah yes | 15:05 |
| mece | lolcat, understandable :) | 15:05 |
| mece | guess you have to be patient then :) | 15:06 |
| lolcat | I think I can manage with the N97 mini untill june so I can see if tehre is an announcment | 15:06 |
| mece | by looking at that liist I think you can get one for around 150€ | 15:06 |
| mece | whoa! N9 thread is off active topics! \o/ | 15:07 |
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| lolcat | Seriously, after two reboots and several minutes of frustration skype launches, I get to type in my login details and it freezes hafway :S | 15:08 |
| lolcat | I am starting to remember what was great about the N900 | 15:08 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, there? | 15:17 |
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| lolcat | Can't we hack Nokia and steal their sourcecode? | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | that's not a good idea if you're a contractor :P | 15:18 |
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| lolcat | MohammadAG: Where is that guy who where going to give me my contractor cloak? | 15:21 |
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| lolcat | And I think Nokia will cut down on the usage of us as contractors... | 15:23 |
| lolcat | Seeing as they will loose marked shares | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: weren't you clearly applying for a troll cloak? | 15:53 |
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| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: Why would it be a troll cloak? | 15:55 |
| ruskie | hmm freenode should have a /troll cloak | 15:55 |
| lolcat | I wanted a /nokia/opensourceadvocate/lolcat cloak, or something like that | 15:56 |
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| lolcat | err | 15:56 |
| lolcat | Someone has removed it from the list | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | fax your contract with nokia and 'we' might consider it | 15:56 |
| lolcat | Number? | 15:56 |
| Sicelo | 911 666 666 | 15:57 |
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| ruskie | 1800-microsoft ;) | 15:58 |
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| citylights | I am setting up currency converet, does prices in germany include tax? | 15:59 |
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| Azog | 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3 | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even better: ask your contact at Nokia to send the contract to X-Fade or GAN900 | 15:59 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: here now | 15:59 |
| ruskie | citylights, all prices in EU include VAT | 15:59 |
| ruskie | unless they are business2business | 15:59 |
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| ruskie | citylights, but why do you need to know that? | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 16:00 |
| ruskie | currency convert is just convert from foo to bar | 16:00 |
| ruskie | unless you mean a price convert | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | how's VAT coming in there? | 16:00 |
| edheldil | btw, I have just found that my autocompletion file contains a ovi store in plaintext. Either it got there from the login form or from pwsafe entry | 16:00 |
| ruskie | in which case you also need customs fees not just VAT | 16:00 |
| edheldil | ovi store password | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, wanna test the threaded version of sociality? | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | at least in the firneds window | 16:01 |
| merlin1991 | firneds? | 16:01 |
| merlin1991 | but yea :D | 16:01 |
| merlin1991 | upped? | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | not yet :p | 16:01 |
| citylights | to know if I need to config the vat part | 16:02 |
| citylights | seems wadges in munich are high | 16:02 |
| citylights | 2750 euro | 16:02 |
| citylights | according to lonly planet... | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, upped | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: I'll send you a link to the forms to fill for cloak, please fix your "hidemail" in nickserv, it should read x.ysdasy@nokia.com or sth | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got a nokia mailaddr, no? | 16:04 |
| lolcat | I work for an independent Nokia contractor... | 16:04 |
| Corsac | microsoft? | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | so ask your "boss" about cloak then, he must have a @nokia.com addr | 16:05 |
| lolcat | So if I change my email to a nokia.com addr I get the cloak? | 16:06 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: should I notice any difference? | 16:06 |
| merlin1991 | so far I can say it's still working :D | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, speed | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: no, you can't do that, as that addr has to be a working one, and it's nokia and your "boss" who will negotiate that | 16:06 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, click add as favorite | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | it's instant now | 16:06 |
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| mtnman | Hello all... | 16:07 |
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| merlin1991 | but you have todo something on the Photos window | 16:07 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: May I have a # Maemo/opensourceadvocate while I wait for my boss to process the request? Summer vaccation and all that slows things down here a bit... | 16:07 |
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| merlin1991 | go into an album and watch crazyness on the screen | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: you should know you have to talk to council about that | 16:08 |
| lolcat | Maemo council? | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 16:08 |
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| merlin1991 | ~seen X-Fade | 16:08 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (4d 2h 48m 2s) #meego (4d 2h 48m 2s), last said: 'lbt: first.last @ nokia.'. | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | as long as the email header is valid... | 16:09 |
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| mtnman | hello. i am trying to install mutt to maemo5 but it depends on slang1a-utf8 which apt-get reports as unavailable. is there a way to install this pgk? | 16:14 |
| citylights | I guessing I need to examine more applets using the status menu and written in python | 16:14 |
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| mtnman | pkg! | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: if you don't have access to Nokia intranet where probably there are pretty good docs about how to deal with all that mail add and cloak and whatnot, you quite likely don't qualify for any "nokia" related cloak or mailaddr or whatever | 16:16 |
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| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: But a maemo cloak then? | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | toldy, you need to talk to council about that, and probably there's quite some general rules stuff on wiki - afaik there's just maemo/contributor/* available | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you need some karma for that | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | or otherwise prove you are a valuable member and "VIP" of maemo | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | as the cloak suggests, contributions help a lot | 16:19 |
| lolcat | lolcat++ | 16:19 |
| lolcat | !karma lolcat | 16:19 |
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| lolcat | Oh, you ment on the forum? | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | karma is not exactly a forum thing | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | please refer to wiki about cloaks | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: definitely your acting here doesn't exactly help to get *any* cloak related to maemo/nokia | 16:22 |
| lolcat | I feel I contribute to the discussions that interests me | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | as a cloak always is a lil bit about competence and merit as well | 16:23 |
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| lolcat | I am competent with the N900! | 16:26 |
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| lolcat | I helped a guy setup fMMS once | 16:26 |
| merlin1991 | GeneralAntilles: ping | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolcat: you clearly qualify for the troll cloak | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet you can get /maemo/premium-troll in no time | 16:28 |
| jaska | is it fireproof? | 16:28 |
| lardman | phosphorus coated | 16:29 |
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| chem|st | hey DocScrutinizer | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey chem|st | 16:30 |
| lardman | merlin1991: trying to wake him up? :) | 16:30 |
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| merlin1991 | ah shit | 16:30 |
| * merlin1991 forgot about sf | 16:31 | |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: At least I am not mean | 16:31 |
| lardman | meego-bar is not a very happening place, I prefer it here | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | oh shit I'm not there | 16:31 |
| lardman | merlin1991: well if we're lucky he has irc running, if we all highlight him perhaps we can annoy him! ;) | 16:31 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: no comments about explosives | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, what about riots? | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | it is a bar afterall | 16:32 |
| chem|st | lolcat: that seriously qualifies for... wait... ehrm... nothing?! | 16:32 |
| chem|st | petting | 16:32 |
| merlin1991 | well I searched the wiki for cloaks, and found a pice of text saying to either contact him or X-Fade, and since X-Fade hasn't managed to find the time for my cloak I thought I'll try to contact GeneralAntilles | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles isn't maemo GC afaik, X-Fade is, so only he can grant maemo cloaks | 16:34 |
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| chem|st | and X-Fade does not react on anything in the meantime | 16:35 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: I like your thinking | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | X-Fade: promised me twice todo it, after the last time he went completely mia :/ | 16:36 |
| lardman | now where is our council, I understand they had a meeting with Quim about Harmattan (I read a few lines of TMO), when will we hear the masterplan? | 16:36 |
| lardman | merlin1991: he's been busy on the meego stuff hasn't he? | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: indeed I'm a bit concerned about no proxy for x-fade exists | 16:36 |
| merlin1991 | I have no idea, but he's been worringly silent on irc | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:37 |
| chem|st | if karma is a real matter we should implement a #maemo thanks... | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | he can't grant cloaks | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | he can ask staff to do so :P | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basically it seems as soon as X-Fade "retires", a lot of the maemo infra will get into an orphaned state | 16:38 |
| lardman | chem|st: I think karma has been seen to be a difficult thing to measure accurately | 16:38 |
| chem|st | lardman: I was just a bit short for a devel device... | 16:38 |
| chem|st | and being mod on tmo gives no karma but bad karma | 16:39 |
| chem|st | ^^ | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 16:39 |
| lardman | chem|st: when was this? The last dev device set - N900s? | 16:39 |
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| chem|st | yes | 16:40 |
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| lardman | karma is an interesting one, I would like to have another go at that | 16:40 |
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| lardman | would be good to have access to the raw stats to be able to experiment and see what sorts of different combinations could be produced | 16:41 |
| merlin1991 | btw what are "Itt post", or "groups" regarding karma? | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: look, IRC doesn't earn me karma as well ;-P | 16:41 |
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| lardman | merlin1991: iit post is iirc the # of posts on TMO | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | luckily XP | 16:41 |
| lardman | groups is to do with Garage afaicr | 16:41 |
| chem|st | my karma did't change much for the last 6 month | 16:42 |
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| lardman | I have no clue what mine is these days | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Internet Tablet Talk -old name for tmo | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I note that none of the proposals to count IRC lines has come to pass. | 16:42 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 16:42 | |
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| * MohammadAG checks his karma | 16:42 | |
| merlin1991 | also I have 6 karma from bugzilla, but don't remember posting anything on there | 16:42 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: that is a metric for meego though iirc | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | 1019 :( | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, voting counts I think | 16:43 |
| merlin1991 | I didn't vote either | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo karma is about as useful as a hole in your belly nowadays | 16:44 |
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| lardman | I have 588 | 16:45 |
| * SpeedEvil only 502. | 16:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | tzztzzz | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Kinda pointless. | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok that's mean, SpeedEvil - you clearly own as much karma as I have, which is ~30 more | 16:45 |
| lardman | difficult really, it doesn't count e.g. commits to garage projects, things that I do | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 16:46 |
| merlin1991 | it also doesn't cover help on irc | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Yeah. | 16:46 |
| lardman | but then it is accepted that karma isn't really a good way to go now | 16:46 |
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| * SpeedEvil goes and votes on all the i386-extras-testing packages. | 16:47 | |
| SpeedEvil | 600 now! Woo! | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I must have done something important! | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | for all that matters it works, which nowadays is... errr nuttin really | 16:47 |
| lardman | put thumbs on all the news items too, that will give you some more points for no effort | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsckng useless competition for highscore on a silly useless game | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | for all I can tell there's been some thresholds for karma that were like 10, 100, 300 | 16:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | everything beyond is useless | 16:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's no free night with Angelina Jolie for the the top ten karma of the month | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it seems to me maemo karma gives undue bonus to tmo trolls | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | And people who design 'new n900 mockups' | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeew | 16:52 |
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| MohammadAG | angelina's old | 16:57 |
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| chem|st | just started to give thumbs down to news about meego... | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm, are there any? | 17:00 |
| lardman | docscrutinizer: sounds like a German insurance firm ;) | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meego? | 17:01 |
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| chem|st | so klicked all thumbs down on meego topics I think... | 17:14 |
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| user__ | MaKa | 17:49 |
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| mece | (misterc == abill_uk) ? scary : scarier | 17:51 |
| lardman | docscrutinizer: sorry for the slow reply, no your comment about Angelina Jolie and the top karma holders - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13470731 | 17:53 |
| lardman | and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13454160 | 17:54 |
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| LeakyPug | is the hildon desktop responsible for the portrait rotation? | 17:56 |
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| edheldil | lardman: they clearly have better benefit programme than I do :) | 18:13 |
| lardman | lol | 18:13 |
| edheldil | s/do/have/ | 18:13 |
| infobot | edheldil meant: lardman: they clearly have better benefit programme than I have :) | 18:13 |
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| Lantizia | Hey did anyone find out why Nokia changed the "Nokia_N900.mp4" file in "MyDocs/.videos" from the old 33.4MB one to the 34.4MB one with different music? | 18:15 |
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| mece | Lantizia, perhaps to show some new features? | 18:19 |
| Lantizia | mece, videos are identical | 18:20 |
| Lantizia | just music that changed | 18:20 |
| mece | Lantizia, perhaps they had a new song and wanted people to hear it :) | 18:20 |
| Lantizia | it's dreadful lol | 18:20 |
| citylights | google opened their API to tasks two weeks ago, and already I see an app for maemo | 18:21 |
| LeakyPug | i think the video has changed.. | 18:21 |
| Lantizia | i would like to get an original copy of this too... http://www.youtube.com/lantizia#p/f/6/Au_uRmoy8Fs | 18:21 |
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| Lantizia | LeakyPug, nope it hasn't... i put them both on simultaneously on two screens and watched both | 18:21 |
| LeakyPug | i see a new tagline at the end of this new video,"online as it happens-Nokia N900". | 18:22 |
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| Lantizia | LeakyPug, they both have tahat | 18:22 |
| LeakyPug | was it in the old one?.. | 18:23 |
| Lantizia | yup | 18:23 |
| LeakyPug | oh but i don't have the old one to compare now.. but i just watched the video after flashing last month.. just after u told.. and found it new to me.. | 18:24 |
| Lantizia | i think perhaps nokia made a cock up on the original music (copyright grounds or something) and had to change it | 18:24 |
| Lantizia | just a guess | 18:24 |
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| Lantizia | also a new music track too "Closer To Where You Want Me.mp3" | 18:25 |
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| LeakyPug | i lost portrait orientation after installing maemodder.. | 18:30 |
| LeakyPug | but i am not sure if it was lost there... | 18:30 |
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| citylights | long time since I scouted the applications for the N900 | 18:32 |
| citylights | Qradio is far better then the python client I used to have | 18:33 |
| citylights | fm radio | 18:33 |
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| citylights | oh ya, did anyone wrote a program for the N900 using ruby? | 18:35 |
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| lardman | oo, we've panned | 18:47 |
| lardman | how's about moving the podium left towards the display screen, then zoom in on that? | 18:48 |
| lardman | wrong chan | 18:48 |
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| lardman | any problems with Maemo devel on Ubuntu latest version (11.xx)? | 19:31 |
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| lcuk | lardman, specifically? are you running in 64b mode | 19:34 |
| lardman | yes | 19:34 |
| lardman | I don't have any atm, just wondering whether to upgrade | 19:35 |
| lardman | it keeps telling me about natty narwhals or the like | 19:35 |
| lardman | and it might even make my 3rd monitor come back to life, who knows | 19:35 |
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| lcuk | lol | 19:35 |
| derf | lardman: The last is not likely until someone resurrects xinerama in the X server. | 19:36 |
| lardman | derf: oh yeah, forgot I had to manually patch xserver | 19:37 |
| ShadowJK | xinerama is dead? | 19:37 |
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| lardman | I don't really get it, surely people have more than two monitors these days? | 19:37 |
| derf | Sadly, no. | 19:37 |
| derf | People have laptops and tiny little touchscreens. | 19:38 |
| lardman | rubbish | 19:38 |
| derf | No one uses desktops anymore. | 19:38 |
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| derf | That's so last millenium. | 19:38 |
| lardman | Perhaps it's time to start a one man crusade for multihead single Xserver support in mainline | 19:38 |
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| ShadowJK | about the only place xinerama worked perfectly was intel laptops, handling lcd, vga and svideo :) | 19:38 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes he could set on fire people that mandated widescreen. | 19:38 | |
| lardman | works for me | 19:38 |
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| lardman | 3 monitors, non-stretch mode, only one is accelerated though | 19:39 |
| derf | SpeedEvil: I'll supply the kerosene. | 19:39 |
| lardman | single x server though. Why anyone would want an x server per head I can't fathom | 19:39 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah, best thing about multimonitor is dragging windows between them | 19:40 |
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| derf | lardman: It made sense in the 80's. | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | or resisizng browser across all 3 to read certain shitty websites that don't allow wordwrap nor scrollbars | 19:40 |
| derf | I mean, it didn't, really, but users were less demanding then. | 19:40 |
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| lardman | derf: phew | 19:41 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: I have 23" monitors, doesn't happen too often | 19:41 |
| lardman | though on a netbook the thing that gets me is the height of dialog windows, no way of even seeing the buttons at the bottom | 19:42 |
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| lardman | so do people run with Natty Narwhal without troubles then? I'm itching to upgrade for no real reason | 19:43 |
| derf | In any case, I think most of these problems stem from the fact that the people who actually want to get real work done on their computers is a dwindling minority. | 19:43 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hey | 19:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | after the latest update of swappolube, I noticed that it also has now a power key menu entry | 19:44 |
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| lcuk | derf I am more interested in using compute devices than spending hours coding them | 19:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, coding can also be fun :) | 19:44 |
| lardman | derf: I'm being offered a shiny upgrade and it's my home pc, so I'm tempted | 19:45 |
| lardman | but I also remember the last time I blithely clicked "upgrade" and spend 3 days getting things working again | 19:45 |
| derf | lcuk: I actually mostly don't use any of the code I write. That's not the fun part. | 19:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | coding is usually fun | 19:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | (as long as you have a good idea to implement and a well-engineered API to use) | 19:46 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, people sit on the beach making sand castles | 19:48 |
| RST38h | Soo, what isnew? | 19:49 |
| lardman | RST38h: N9 has been announced | 19:50 |
| RST38h | Wah! | 19:50 |
| lardman | oh no sorry that was N900 and a year or two ago | 19:50 |
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| lardman | RST38h: no news I'm afraid :( | 19:50 |
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| RST38h | oh well, none expected...=( | 19:51 |
| RST38h | This place is slowly becoming #amiga | 19:51 |
| lardman | :) | 19:52 |
| lardman | but it's not even 10am in SF, so there's still time! | 19:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, developing an app is a very similar experience to building a sand castle | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | Venemo_N900, why do you think I said that | 19:56 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcuk :) | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | #amiga ? :-D | 20:01 |
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| khertan | Hi ! | 21:11 |
| khertan | I ve try to run some qml example in qmlviewer, but complain it cannot import qtquick, does installing qtquickcompat package isn't enought ? | 21:11 |
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| MohammadAG | never worked for me, I use import Qt 4.7\ | 21:18 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: but will be a pain to modify all file just to see if it s run. there is so few things working currently | 21:19 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, I still can't seem to install liqtutor | 21:26 |
| lcuk | I still have not done anything more with it | 21:26 |
| lcuk | the code is there | 21:26 |
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| Venemo_N900 | "the code is there" is the worst excuse ever | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | Venemo_N900, :P | 21:44 |
| lcuk | I will submit an updated set of packages asap | 21:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | no rush | 21:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | just most of the time when I ask something about an open source piece of software, they tell me, "the code is there, read it". but I rarely have time to read 1000s of lines of spaghetti code in order to find a single thing I'm looking for | 21:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, your code is better than average | 21:46 |
| lcuk | nah | 21:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | but for example the meego-panel code was very annoying. suffering from the yo-yo effect heavily | 21:46 |
| RST38h | what is the yo yo effect? | 21:47 |
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| Venemo_N900 | RST38h, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_problem | 21:50 |
| RST38h | Venemo: ah how familiar | 21:51 |
| Venemo_N900 | RST38h, it is even worse in GLib-based C apps | 21:52 |
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| Venemo_N900 | because of GLib's way of "emulating" OOP in a non-OOP language | 21:52 |
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| RST38h | yea,damn C++ haters :) | 21:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | indeed | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | Venemo_N900, when you build a sandcastle, generally everything is at arms reach. | 21:56 |
| lcuk | when you turn it into concrete and build a town, you must drive to each location. | 21:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | if you look at any piece of software based on glib that is longer than an example, it is _very_ hard to comprehend | 21:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | for example hildon-desktop and meego-panel are both quite difficult to understand | 21:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, yeah I agree | 21:56 |
| lcuk | understandable for what they have to do | 21:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, but if you follow some design practices of building towns, and you make a few tramways, then it will be easier | 21:57 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, not really. gnome-shell does the same and it's a lot easier to understand | 21:58 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Then each incoming city mayor will either remove the tram rails or lay them anew | 21:58 |
| RST38h | Venemo: endless entertainment for everyone, and very profitable for whoever does the construction work | 21:58 |
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| Venemo_N900 | RST38h, hehehe :) | 22:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | usually the higher level the language and the more design patterns applied, the easier-to-understand code you will get | 22:01 |
| RST38h | Venemo: oh, don't start me on applying design patterns... | 22:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | well, it's more like "not applying anti-patterns" than "applying patterns" | 22:03 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: TEPCO Confirms Partial Meltdown of No.2 and No.3 Reactors | 22:09 |
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| Venemo_N900 | heh! | 22:15 |
| lardman | RST38h: hey ignore the unimportant stuff, there's a Meego conference running! | 22:15 |
| RST38h | lardman: I would not mind these two getting together | 22:15 |
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| RST38h | lardman: Would liven things upat the conference | 22:15 |
| RST38h | lardman: Radiactive fumes, people in the bunny suits, some radiactive lava, if we are lucky | 22:16 |
| RST38h | lardman: Definitely better than Meego Architecture Browser. | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, I'll be honest, complicated code can only be understood properly by the one who wrote it | 22:17 |
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| ShadowJK | Don't forget the neural-sensor controlled cat ears | 22:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, yes, or the guys who spend equal amount of time reading it as those who wrote it | 22:18 |
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| lardman | RST38h: lol | 22:19 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: if you are drunk you may find you can also understand complex code | 22:20 |
| lardman | briefly, there's a window, it's like playing pool | 22:20 |
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| MohammadAG | I doubt you'd be reading code while (very) drunk lardman | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | and even if you were, you'd forget what you understood by the time you're sober :p | 22:21 |
| lardman | indeed, but it's like writing a classic, can't be bettered the day after | 22:21 |
| lardman | or something like that anyway :) | 22:21 |
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| lnxslack | hi all | 22:33 |
| lnxslack | i need help to install dev tool kit in slackware | 22:34 |
| lnxslack | somebody help me | 22:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | lnxslack, what's the issue? | 22:35 |
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| bjv | on n810/diablo, How does one access the log from VOIP accounts that fail to connect | 22:37 |
| lnxslack | i need a txz package | 22:38 |
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| Technomike | hey :) | 22:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | hey | 22:41 |
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| lnxslack | what should install? | 22:47 |
| lnxslack | packages that are found to debian | 22:48 |
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| cityLights | any one here now | 23:07 |
| cityLights | ? | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Sort-of. | 23:07 |
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| cityLights | o , so speedEvil how can I solve the UI issue I have with my new applet? | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I regret I have no idea. | 23:11 |
| cityLights | I am using python and hildon status menu | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Have you considered asking Jesus? | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | More seriously. | 23:12 |
| cityLights | how can I turn except MohammadAG ? | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd look for similar applets in python | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Isn't 'flashlight' in python? | 23:12 |
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| MohammadAG | turn what? | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, no, C | 23:15 |
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| cityLights | I mean I ask here and no one knew why openvpn applet covers my button | 23:22 |
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| cityLights | I am using meld to compare my code with openvpn applet and cant see a similer line | 23:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | What happens if you uninstall openvpn | 23:23 |
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| cityLights | I only need to move openvpn-applet.desktop away and I can see my button fine | 23:24 |
| cityLights | I did use openvpn-applet.py to build my own UI | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd try the mailing lists. | 23:24 |
| cityLights | which? | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HAHA, coremelt on Fukushima block 1 happened *before* the tsunami hit | 23:25 |
| dm8tbr | and they were telling BS about block 2 and 3 too | 23:26 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, url? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | TV news | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html | 23:26 |
| dm8tbr | most reputable news sources should have it by now | 23:26 |
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| dm8tbr | they admitted that block 1 was headed for new zealand before the tsunami already a few days ago though. today came news about 2 and 3 | 23:27 |
| vldcnst | I think google should geo target people that are in danger and insert an alert in search results | 23:29 |
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| Arkenoi | The results of provisional analysis show that fuel pellets melted and fell to the bottom of reactor pressure vessel at a relatively early stage in the accident. | 23:31 |
| Arkenoi | "accident" started with tsunami hit or something else? | 23:31 |
| haj | hm .. anyone who knows if I can somehow sync a backup of the N900 to a Android-phone? contacts and calendar? | 23:31 |
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| kerio | haj: you traitor :( | 23:33 |
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| haj | actually no... but my N900 seems to not like me since it's decided it needs to go to a repairshop for 30 days ;) | 23:34 |
| haj | And I just got a android-phone with my new job.... :/ | 23:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | :/ | 23:35 |
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| haj | I'd like to have access to my calendar, and my contacts... | 23:36 |
| haj | Actually I'm not very impressed with this Android-phone... It's pretty fast, but it's weird to use compared to Maemo.. | 23:37 |
| vldcnst | did you say you want to sync with n800? | 23:38 |
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| haj | vldcnst: N900 to HTC something... but i only have a backup :/ | 23:39 |
| vldcnst | oh, I misread n900 to n800 | 23:39 |
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| haj | vldcnst: common mistake :) | 23:42 |
| * haj misses his N900... | 23:42 | |
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| haj | Ovi Suite must be able to do something with the backups | 23:42 |
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| rebel | hey everyone with an n900 here ! right? | 23:44 |
| vldcnst | rebel: except haj | 23:45 |
| Choom | LOL | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | rebel: A sizanle fraction of people, yes. | 23:45 |
| haj | vldcnst: evil! | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | sizeable. | 23:45 |
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| rebel | it dosen't read file? | 23:46 |
| rebel | how to fix? | 23:47 |
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| rebel | people | 23:48 |
| rebel | ????? | 23:48 |
| rebel | anybooooodyyy? | 23:48 |
| merlin1991 | reboot phone? | 23:48 |
| merlin1991 | read http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features | 23:48 |
| rebel | it had some problemo with theme cutomizer | 23:49 |
| rebel | its finne nowz | 23:49 |
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| rebel | has anybody used gingerbread on n900? | 23:51 |
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| rebel | wana know if i can play games and apps? | 23:51 |
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| Sicelo | /topic | 23:52 |
| nusse | hi | 23:52 |
| nusse | why is there no debian/ in the ssu git repositories? | 23:52 |
| rebel | yaya | 23:52 |
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