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| Macer | maybe the sd just sucks | 00:02 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer51: any idea? | 00:02 |
| vi__ | trumee: you have provided NO information. not even GOD knows | 00:03 |
| vi__ | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 00:03 |
| vi__ | BAH | 00:03 |
| trumee | vi__: i want to install cssu version 1.3.3.7-7 from cli | 00:03 |
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| MohammadAG | trumee, add the repository and apt-get install community-ssu-enabler | 00:04 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: thanks | 00:04 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: what about specific version? | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | that will install version 0 | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | close HAM when it auto-opens | 00:05 |
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| vi__ | HOLY FUCKING SHT | 00:09 |
| vi__ | IT COMPILED | 00:09 |
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| Macer | haha | 00:14 |
| Macer | you sure you were in an armel target? | 00:14 |
| lcuk | vi__, ship it. | 00:15 |
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| vi__ | while i said 'it compiled' I merley meant 'it compiled' | 00:24 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: ok, i installed the community-ssu-enabler usin apt-get and accepted the notice. what next? | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, run the icon so the signature's installed | 00:29 |
| trumee | crap i clicked on the community-ssu icon and it has started installing | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | then install mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 00:29 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: i want specific version 1.3.3.7-7 | 00:30 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr=1.3.3.7-7 ? | 00:31 |
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| MohammadAG | Version: 20.2010.36-2maemo13 | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | not sure if that'll work | 00:33 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: gave an error saying version 201.2010.36-2maemo13 for mp-fremantle-generic-pr was not found | 00:34 |
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| MohammadAG | community-pr, sorry | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | mp-fremantle-community-pr | 00:35 |
| trumee | ok, now it is installing | 00:36 |
| trumee | installed. do i reboot now? | 00:37 |
| vi__ | now where does one normally stick there SDL initialisation routines? | 00:37 |
| vi__ | ^their | 00:37 |
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| vi__ | how do I search WITHIN a group of files for a word? i.e. if I wanted to find all instances of the word SCREENWIDTH? | 00:42 |
| vi__ | lol | 00:43 |
| vi__ | cat ./* | grep FINDME! | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | grep SCREENWIDTH FILES | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | that doesn't show filenames | 00:43 |
| joga | I most often use grep -rli word . | 00:48 |
| joga | (to find the files that say the word, though) | 00:48 |
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| vi__ | ok so now that sucker compiles to 800x480 | 00:53 |
| vi__ | the author of the code has made the whole thing run at 800x600 | 00:53 |
| vi__ | shit falls of the bottom of the screen! | 00:53 |
| vi__ | BAH! | 00:53 |
| vi__ | >< | 00:54 |
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| MoonTiger | ok so the maemo 5 dev env installer sure is a lot purdier than it used to be :) | 00:59 |
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| Macer | friggin vbox | 01:22 |
| Macer | i want to try to copy this foomatic-rip over | 01:23 |
| Macer | and see if i can print | 01:23 |
| Macer | woooo | 01:23 |
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| Macer | damnit | 01:49 |
| Macer | i got cups to get a green light | 01:49 |
| Macer | but i am getting foomatic errors :( | 01:49 |
| Macer | opt/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 01:51 |
| Macer | [22/May/2011:17:49:52 -0400] PID 2381 (/opt/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 1! | 01:51 |
| Macer | maybe i need to pkg the build and install it | 01:51 |
| Macer | i need instructions on how to make a deb... can someone direct me? | 01:52 |
| Macer | i just copied the bin to the phone | 01:52 |
| Macer | hoping that us all it needed | 01:52 |
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| Macer | plus the cups build that is in the repo peobably puts things in strange places | 01:54 |
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| Macer | maybe i should try building my own cups | 01:55 |
| MoonTiger | Macer, what env do you use for dev work? | 01:55 |
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| Macer | i am using the ubuntu lucid maemo5 sdk image | 01:58 |
| Macer | in vbox | 01:58 |
| Macer | i have never made a deb from src before | 01:58 |
| Macer | i am trying to figure out how to make one so i can try installing all of foomatic into the proper paths | 01:59 |
| MoonTiger | hmmmm so you use eclipse? | 01:59 |
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| Macer | not really. i am | 02:01 |
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| Macer | just downloading src | 02:01 |
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| Macer | and trying to build it for my phone | 02:01 |
| MoonTiger | oh .... so ur doing mostly packaging? | 02:01 |
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| Macer | trying to | 02:01 |
| Macer | :) | 02:01 |
| MoonTiger | :) | 02:01 |
| Macer | never did it before | 02:01 |
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| Macer | i need a deb howto | 02:02 |
| MoonTiger | there is a great howto on the debian site somewhere | 02:02 |
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| Macer | well. i am going to restore my phone again | 02:02 |
| Macer | backupmenu is great :) | 02:02 |
| Macer | brb | 02:03 |
| Macer | alrighty | 02:05 |
| Macer | backupmenu ftw | 02:05 |
| Macer | greatest thing ever made for the n900 :) | 02:05 |
| Macer | heh | 02:05 |
| MoonTiger | im just getting used to my N900 | 02:05 |
| trx | host mode is the greatest thing ever made for the n900 | 02:05 |
| MoonTiger | had the N810 | 02:05 |
| trx | backupmenu is for people that screw up their n900 | 02:06 |
| trx | :) | 02:06 |
| Macer | trx: yup | 02:06 |
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| Macer | ;) like me | 02:06 |
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| trx | ;) | 02:07 |
| Macer | breaking it over and over again trying to figure out how to get it to print to my laser printer | 02:07 |
| trx | how did you manage to do that :/ | 02:07 |
| Macer | well.. didn't really break it | 02:07 |
| trx | i didnt screw it up trying to control stepper motors | 02:07 |
| trx | :/ | 02:07 |
| Macer | but do 30 things to it totally mucking up the install | 02:07 |
| Macer | then lose track | 02:07 |
| Macer | so i have garbage all over the phone that doesn't work | 02:08 |
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| Macer | which makes backupmenu so great... glad someone made this | 02:08 |
| Macer | the n900 version of android recovery :) | 02:08 |
| trx | whats android? | 02:08 |
| trx | :P | 02:09 |
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| Macer | heh | 02:11 |
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| Macer | ok. i'm giving up on this for a little while. gong out tonight :) | 02:15 |
| Macer | later | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Wave. | 02:19 |
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| MoonTiger | trying to install the dev env is very very slow | 02:47 |
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| MoonTiger | still | 02:47 |
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| MoonTiger | the setup wizard script fails completely | 02:48 |
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| MoonTiger | and the manual steps dont work wither | 02:48 |
| MoonTiger | so much for trying to get back into dev for the N900 | 02:48 |
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| MoonTiger | does anybody have a link t a page that actually explains how to get it up and running ... that actually works? | 02:50 |
| MoonTiger | oh well another time then | 02:51 |
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| trx | wow, what a monologue.. | 02:57 |
| ccooke | Patient, too | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 03:03 |
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| trx | that too.. | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 03:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer wishes there'd be an antiban that forbids users to /quit | 03:04 | |
| trx | haha | 03:04 |
| trx | that would be wierd | 03:04 |
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| justice4all300 | hello | 07:25 |
| mouser__ | hello | 07:26 |
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| trist4n | hey men | 07:27 |
| trist4n | am i likely to be able to play 720p .mkv's on my n900 | 07:27 |
| chx | trist4n: certainly. while riding your unicorn under the rainbow. | 07:29 |
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| trist4n | : | | 07:31 |
| trist4n | impossible then? | 07:31 |
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| dm8tbr | actually I would expect it to be technically possible: http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_5it/specs.html?country=fi&lang=en (that's the _same_ SoC as on the N900) | 07:42 |
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| dm8tbr | though it's just possible that nokia didn't buy those shiny codecs from $codec-vendor | 07:42 |
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| chx | the question is rahter -- what will you do with the 1280x720 pixels once you decoded them? | 07:44 |
| chx | the screen is too small | 07:44 |
| chx | there is no hdmi out | 07:44 |
| dm8tbr | sure, that's the fun part where you throw away most of the info by resizing it to the screen :D | 07:44 |
| chx | :D | 07:44 |
| dm8tbr | the use case for such insanities is: the user can just torrent the latest episode of $fav_show and dump it onto $device and then watch it during his commute | 07:46 |
| dm8tbr | otherwise you'd need to add a transcoding step | 07:46 |
| dm8tbr | and on the n900 you could in theory torrent it directly to your device, if you have a pocket nuclear power plant that is ;) | 07:47 |
| trist4n | yeah well | 07:52 |
| trist4n | i want my annie may on the train home. | 07:52 |
| chx | dm8tbr: oh come on | 07:52 |
| chx | dm8tbr: there are excellent external batteries | 07:53 |
| chx | dm8tbr: i have seen some with stuff like 400wh | 07:54 |
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| dm8tbr | chx: does it come with a complimentary cart? | 07:58 |
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| chx | dm8tbr: lulz | 08:05 |
| chx | dm8tbr: store in the backpack, it's like 2kg | 08:06 |
| * dm8tbr killed several backpacks by carrying around SLA cells | 08:08 | |
| dm8tbr | and they were comparably small. sthg like 0,6kg each | 08:08 |
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| dangergrrl | lol | 08:35 |
| dangergrrl | dm8tbr: actually | 08:35 |
| dangergrrl | i have a 12Ah 12v boost pack for my motorcycle | 08:36 |
| dangergrrl | that runs the n900 for a looong time | 08:36 |
| * trist4n frowns | 08:36 | |
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| robbiethe1st | I bet it does... Should last at least a month on that, if the normal battery lasts a day | 08:48 |
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| dm8tbr | dangergrrl: sure does, no surprise there :) | 08:49 |
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| dangergrrl | it's for camping | 08:53 |
| dangergrrl | or if my key slides out with the headlamps on | 08:54 |
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| Venemo | any way to play flac files on da N900? | 09:14 |
| derf | Install ogg-support. | 09:15 |
| psycho_oreos | install extra decoders | 09:15 |
| MetalGearSolid | extra decoder support | 09:15 |
| psycho_oreos | you can probably also get away with things like vlc or mplayer ;) | 09:15 |
| GreatGonzo_ | That doesn't seem to work at the moment. The whole decoders thing in devel is a mess | 09:16 |
| psycho_oreos | in devel? | 09:16 |
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| GreatGonzo_ | Neither mediaplayer nor someplayer can do flac atm. | 09:16 |
| GreatGonzo_ | extras-devel | 09:17 |
| psycho_oreos | mediaplayer and someplayer iirc both depend on gstreamer which essentially is missing flac and other varied support | 09:17 |
| GreatGonzo_ | Have tried every combination I could think of. Haven't gone back to ogg-support=1.0.5 yet though. | 09:18 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm sure you don't need to enable extras-devel to get extra-decoders support | 09:18 |
| Venemo | I do gave ogg-support and decoders-support installed | 09:18 |
| Venemo | and I have -devel | 09:18 |
| GreatGonzo_ | Venemo, same here | 09:18 |
| Venemo | are this stuff messed up in -devel only? | 09:18 |
| GreatGonzo_ | I think so. | 09:18 |
| Venemo | GreatGonzo_, did you actually try or this is just speculation? | 09:19 |
| GreatGonzo_ | I tried every bloody combination I could think of | 09:19 |
| Venemo | you removed -devel and reinstalled and it worked? | 09:19 |
| GreatGonzo_ | Nope, sorry not that yet. I know though that it worked before ogg-support got chnaged in extras-devel a few eeks ago | 09:20 |
| GreatGonzo_ | weeks as well | 09:20 |
| Venemo | aah, yeah, I think I can recall hearing something about that | 09:20 |
| Venemo | okay, I'll do this | 09:20 |
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| GreatGonzo_ | Does anybody know the dev who maintains these packages? | 09:21 |
| GreatGonzo_ | ogg-support used to pull in flac etc, now it doesn't. Installing these retrospectively wotks for ogg but not for flac. | 09:22 |
| GreatGonzo_ | Also oggs are no loner seekable (in someplayer at least for me) | 09:23 |
| derf | It used to be kulve. | 09:23 |
| derf | Dunno if he's still the one doing it. | 09:23 |
| kulve | o/ | 09:23 |
| MetalGearSolid | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39299&page=20 | 09:23 |
| MetalGearSolid | see post #191 | 09:23 |
| GreatGonzo_ | thanks that one slipped through the cracks | 09:24 |
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| Venemo | heh | 09:25 |
| kulve | latest Ogg Support should still support flac | 09:25 |
| Venemo | well it didn't work for me | 09:25 |
| Venemo | don't you guys _TEST_ your packages before uploading them? | 09:25 |
| GreatGonzo_ | Isn't that what extras-devel is for ;-) | 09:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | its what extras-testing is for :þ | 09:28 |
| kulve | and saying "This doesn't work" doesn't really help. It works for me. | 09:28 |
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| kulve | extras-devel -> extras-testing -> extras | 09:28 |
| GreatGonzo_ | ogg isn't seekable - flac doesn't play | 09:28 |
| derf | kulve: You're still not shipping Theora support, right? | 09:28 |
| kulve | at the moment no. 1.0.7 now depends on gst-av which brings in more optimized gst bits on top of ffmpeg | 09:29 |
| GreatGonzo_ | kulve, Could you post the exact setup which worls for you in the thread mentioned above? | 09:29 |
| derf | I'd expect libtheora to be much faster than libav on the N900. | 09:29 |
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| GreatGonzo_ | and test with soemplayer and mediaplayer | 09:30 |
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| Venemo | I'm using -devel a lot because of my development activities, but I'm always careful not to upload anything that is obviously broken or harms other people's experience | 09:33 |
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| citylights | hi all, why cant I see a widget I add to the status menu according to the wiki example? | 09:52 |
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| citylights | I added /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/switchProfByMeeting.py and /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/switchProfByMeeting.desktop | 09:54 |
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| citylights | but it doesnt appear . need I register the widget? | 09:55 |
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| Venemo | after removing -devel and removing ogg-support and decoders support, then reinstalling them, flac files work once again | 10:03 |
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| chem|st | morning | 11:32 |
| RST38h | moorning | 11:34 |
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| chem|st | still mooring? | 11:36 |
| chem|st | ;) | 11:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | !morning | 11:43 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: ? | 11:44 |
| psycho_oreos | ~morning | 11:44 |
| infobot | Good morning! | 11:44 |
| chem|st | ~botsnakc | 11:44 |
| chem|st | ~botsnack | 11:44 |
| infobot | thanks, chem|st | 11:44 |
| crashanddie | ~fail | 11:44 |
| infobot | FAIL. | 11:44 |
| * psycho_oreos curses in silence | 11:44 | |
| chem|st | ~coffee crashanddie | 11:44 |
| * infobot steals some of zeltak's special coffee and gives it to crashanddie on a silver platter. | 11:44 | |
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| mece | \o | 12:14 |
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| trist4n | `trolltech? lol | 12:17 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, I have sociality installed but I don't see a sociality icon in my app menu | 12:43 |
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| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, "Facebook" | 12:43 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, tried that, but it displays some weird web page thingy | 12:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, when I click on the login button, nothing happens, it just clears the password field | 12:46 |
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| MohammadAG | that's the login page Venemo_N900, I can't login via a GUI with OAuth | 12:47 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, it should log you in and redirect you back to the application... | 12:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, mhm | 12:47 |
| MohammadAG | (after you give it permission) | 12:47 |
| MohammadAG | lemme paste you the auth link so you can do that in microB, though it works fine for me | 12:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, why doesn't it accept my password? | 12:48 |
| MohammadAG | no idea, that's facebook's page not mine | 12:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | eh. | 12:48 |
| MohammadAG | the app doesn't know of your username or password | 12:48 |
| MohammadAG | only the token facebook returns | 12:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | maybe because I have special chars in it | 12:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, what's "OAuth"? | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | The new standard for web API logins | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | twitter uses it too (they had XAuth which means custom login GUIs, but they pulled the plug on it) | 12:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 12:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, do you want me to help out with it? | 12:50 |
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| edheldil | MohammadAG: *A* new standard ... :-P | 13:17 |
| edheldil | although for API it really might be THE | 13:18 |
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| cityLights | back | 13:41 |
| cityLights | bad connection in my folks home | 13:41 |
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| cityLights | I now seek help with thi FAQ : how to load my hildon-status widget without having to reboot the N900? | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | kill hildon | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If you mean to load a widget you've just installed | 13:42 |
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| cityLights | hi SpeedEvil, I change the /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/openvpn-applet.desktop | 13:44 |
| robbiethe1st | SpeedEvil: Know how to completely disable tracker-indexer? | 13:44 |
| robbiethe1st | I forget how | 13:44 |
| cityLights | ment to say: /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/MYAPP.desktop | 13:44 |
| chem|st | robbiethe1st: isn't it dsme? | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: you can configure it to do nothing in the configuration file. | 13:46 |
| cityLights | hi chem|st , can I also see you this weekend? | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | cityLights: yeah - I think all existing ones kjust kill it. Look at other applet installs. | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | cityLights: you can tell by the decoration going away for a moment befroe it restarts | 13:46 |
| cityLights | I am looking at openvpn-applet | 13:46 |
| cityLights | dont see a kill line | 13:46 |
| cityLights | hmm... | 13:47 |
| cityLights | being new to UI... | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | hildon-status-menu watches the desktop directory AND each desktop file | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | if you open and close a desktop file, the applet is reloaded | 13:47 |
| cityLights | hi Mohammad | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | no need to keep on killing hsm | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | hey cityLights | 13:47 |
| cityLights | I changed the .desktop file a few times, yet only after a reboot, it picked up my changes | 13:48 |
| cityLights | and this took me lots of hours to figure out. as it is not mentioned in the wiki | 13:48 |
| robbiethe1st | ...That explains it. So, out of the blue, tracker-indexer went crazy. I waited, no avail. Finally, I tried killing it with dsme and didn't get the command right, typed "pidof tracker-indexer" and the system rebooted! Went into backupmenu, ran fsck and... errors. | 13:49 |
| cityLights | anyone here from goldendelicius ? | 13:49 |
| cityLights | some openmoko firm - i guess | 13:50 |
| cityLights | i am using google street view now to get to now munchen | 13:50 |
| cityLights | munich | 13:50 |
| cityLights | It prooves hard for a non german speeker to find the nokia repair center to fix my N800 | 13:51 |
| cityLights | may any of you can help with German/ | 13:51 |
| cityLights | ? | 13:51 |
| GonzoTheGreat | sure. | 13:51 |
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| cityLights | GonzoTheGreat: where can I find a Nokia repair center in Munich? | 13:54 |
| cityLights | can I fix me N800 there? | 13:54 |
| cityLights | what number to call? | 13:54 |
| cityLights | (hope they speak english) | 13:54 |
| cityLights | pgrep -l hildon ... ok I see two pid for hildon-status-m | 13:55 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | Ah ok. I thought you need help with german. Since I am in Sydney local help is a bit harder. | 13:55 |
| cityLights | MohammadAG: need I kill them? will they be reborn | 13:55 |
| cityLights | I know you told me NOT to kill them | 13:56 |
| cityLights | bur | 13:56 |
| cityLights | but | 13:56 |
| chem|st | cityLights: Tel. 089 - 54505342 | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | there's no need to kill them | 13:56 |
| cityLights | SWEET! | 13:56 |
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| cityLights | MohammadAG: when I change a .desktop file it doesnt show up , only after a reboot | 13:56 |
| cityLights | chem|st: no answer.... | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG | cityLights, it should, not sure about python applets but it works fine for me | 13:58 |
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| cityLights | in case it doesnt can I kill hsm and reload it? | 14:00 |
| cityLights | how? | 14:00 |
| GonzoTheGreat | I went through hildon code and docs and still can't figure out how to place a (Qt) window above the task manager. So close to creating a custom lock screen.... | 14:01 |
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| jhb | hi *, it seems to me that smartreflex seemed to work better on power46 then power47 (bq27x00_battery is blacklisted). I'd like to downgrade to power46, but whenever I want to install hostmode-gui it goes back to power47. Any hints on how to go back to 46? | 14:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | you might want to have a look at the differences as to why hostmode-gui requires power47 rather than power46 | 14:07 |
| psycho_oreos | there's ways to force it but that could also bring nasty side-effects | 14:07 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | if you havd an earlier version of hostmode-gui that depends on power46 you can 'apt-get install hostmode-gui=thatversion | 14:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | rather, the correct version | 14:09 |
| GonzoTheGreat | of course if that depends on something else then you can get into dependency hell :) | 14:10 |
| psycho_oreos | otherwise you could probably just dpkg -i if you have the debs but *shrugs* it doesn't hurt to be extra cautious | 14:10 |
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| jhb | GonzoTheGreat, psycho_oreos: thanks for hints. The only dependency I see is that hostmode-gui required kernel-feature-usbhost, and thats provided by kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo46 as well | 14:10 |
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| MohammadAG | <cityLights> in case it doesnt can I kill hsm and reload it? | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | <cityLights> how? | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | killall hildon-status-menu | 14:21 |
| cityLights | as I planed, and how to reload it? | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: it doesn't (h-e-n req 47) | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually h-e-n depends on provides=usb-hostmode or sth like that, that's all | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahh required kernel-feature-usbhost | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and blacklisting of bq27200.ko is a sane thing, as it breaks bme | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | smartreflex never worked | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | and quite probably is rather useless anyway | 14:27 |
| jhb | DocScrutinizer: thats what I am trying to find out - I thing (not 100% sure) that after doing smartreflex my idle power consumption was only 50% of what is normally (by looking at batterygraph) | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui it's just enabling a sw-independent way the CPU can control the twl5030 regulators | 14:28 |
| jhb | s/thing/thing/ | 14:28 |
| jhb | s/thing/think/ | 14:28 |
| infobot | jhb meant: DocScrutinizer: thats what I am trying to find out - I think (not 100% sure) that after doing smartreflex my idle power consumption was only 50% of what is normally (by looking at batterygraph) | 14:28 |
| jhb | ahh | 14:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but CPU can *always* control twl5030 regulators via sw - and does | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | and batterygraph afaik is a broken-by-design app | 14:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that mainly does one thing: monitor own rape of battery | 14:30 |
| flux | how about batteryeye? | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | rhere's exactly ONE tool to get semi-decent figures for energy consumption (if you know to read the output): bq27200.sh | 14:31 |
| flux | well, it isn't pretty. | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it isn't refreshing silly gfx 20/s ;-P | 14:32 |
| flux | and you mentioned blacklisting bq27200 is a sane thing to do, but doesn't that script depend on that module? | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, definitely not | 14:32 |
| flux | most of the time I'm not looking at batteryeye, rather the graphs it has collected | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I designed it to use I2Ctools which don't neede and even conflict with that driver | 14:32 |
| flux | (I mean, it collects them periodically on the background, and I use it for short periods as a viewer) | 14:33 |
| flux | nice | 14:33 |
| flux | should get integrated into batteryeye then ;) | 14:33 |
| jhb | DocScrutinizer: wasn't aware of bq27200.sh, will give it a go | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NB the conditional clause of my statement some lines up! it's not trivial to interpret the output correctly in all parts of it | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | generally what you get for current is the average of last complete 5s probing window | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | what you get for voltage is realtime | 14:38 |
| jhb | thx | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | what you get for battery capacity is sometimes complete BS when CI=1 | 14:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | all the other values (TTE etc) depend on battery capacity so if that's wrong they are as well | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | voltage and current however are pretty accurate | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the other values some common sense is needed | 14:40 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: still can't get it to CI=0 | 14:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: fully charge and then discharge battery, so it can complete a learning cycle | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, charge, discharge, charge? | 14:42 |
| chem|st | let it die twice already | 14:42 |
| chem|st | all what happened was that the learning since changed to 0 | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you got logs of bq27200.sh 60 >log.txt - I'll have a look | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe sth is invalidating your learning cycle | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might want to read the bq27x00 datasheet | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's really nontrivila | 14:44 |
| chem|st | I am at cycle 21 now... yesterday the battery was ~10% and I charged without further look, 10mins later got the green led showing already... | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't comment without full log | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gimme a foll log of a learning cycle and I'll tell you what happened | 14:47 |
| robbiethe1st | Hey guys, anyone know the correct options to format the optfs? | 14:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: sometimes you need to disable bme, it seems | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | to keep it from shutting down prematurely | 14:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer mumbles "to format, to format" | 14:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | any options needed? | 14:50 |
| ruskie | mkfs.ext2 ? or ext3... | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3 | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: I guess you can get the actual parameters of that fs with ... e2fstune or whatever it's called | 14:52 |
| robbiethe1st | It's ext3? | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:53 |
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| robbiethe1st | Ok, that's probably my problem | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | according to my "mount" it is | 14:53 |
| robbiethe1st | formatted it to ext2 | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | e2fstune can easily convert ;-) | 14:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tune2fs | 14:55 |
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| chem|st | robbiethe1st: journal on and ready it is... | 14:59 |
| robbiethe1st | yea | 14:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: http://paste.debian.net/117727/ | 14:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Thanks, if this doesn't work I'll see what's different | 15:00 |
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| robbiethe1st | *phew*... I'm glad I didn't change much in the last month... | 15:04 |
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| robbiethe1st | (Used a month-old optfs image with the current rootfs image) | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: btw did I mention backupmenu is one of the most useful apps ever? Thanks! | 15:07 |
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| robbiethe1st | :P I have to say, even if /noone/ else used it, I'd still have been worth my time. | 15:08 |
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| cityLights | well, I need help with hildon status menu | 15:08 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm off. Thanks all. | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: ask MohammadAG - he's expert of status menu | 15:09 |
| cityLights | when I add my .desktop and openvpn-applet.desktop - my ui is missing | 15:09 |
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| cityLights | but when I remove the openvpn-applet.desktop - my ui shows fine | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | missing where? | 15:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | missing what? | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's "my ui"? | 15:10 |
| cityLights | MohammadAG: any idea why my ui is missing when openvpn-applet.desktop is there? | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are apps with UI that shows up when you start the app in applauncher | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and then there are button (sldiers, whatnot) in status menu | 15:11 |
| cityLights | DocScrutinizer: no button with my application name appears in the menu | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, that'S a proper description | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | can't see any reason why the button vanishes when there's a *.desktop in */applications/hildon/ | 15:12 |
| cityLights | right | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG might know | 15:13 |
| cityLights | ok | 15:14 |
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| MohammadAG | cityLights, I'm not sure you can load a .py file directly | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | see advanced-power-monitor, it's in python | 15:15 |
| cityLights | ok | 15:17 |
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| cityLights | I see the same desktop content as in the wiki: | 15:21 |
| cityLights | Type=python | 15:21 |
| cityLights | X-Path=advanced-power | 15:21 |
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| cityLights | MohammadAG: in advanced-power-monitor-0.5.3 there is no .desktop file | 15:32 |
| cityLights | is this correct? | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | advanced-power - Battery (percentage, time left active, time left idle) status menu plugin | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | -monitor is the backend, sorry | 15:33 |
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| cityLights | Advanced Power 0.4.2-4 is dependend on advanced-power-common and advanced-power-monitor | 15:40 |
| cityLights | both of them dont have .desktop files | 15:40 |
| cityLights | I was looking in to openvpn-applet which is also python made | 15:41 |
| cityLights | must go , pls replay here | 15:41 |
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| nusse | hi | 15:51 |
| nusse | is there a way to start a python status plugin as its own process? | 15:51 |
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| Venemo | nusse, unlikely | 15:54 |
| nusse | why? | 15:55 |
| nusse | for home plugins its working fine | 15:55 |
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| Venemo | yo DocScrutinizer | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 16:05 |
| Venemo | nusse, home plugins are different. every X window that has the necessary X property is displayed as a homescreen widget. for the status menu, I think it's different | 16:06 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I'd like to hear your perspective about a matter that has been troubling me | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | shoot | 16:06 |
| Venemo | WHY JAVASCRIPT? | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | while I go prepare me a coffee :-) | 16:07 |
| Venemo | I mean, last time I checked, Javascript was a braindamaged, webby language which everyone hated | 16:07 |
| Venemo | now both the Gnome guys promote it (or rather, their "GJS" implementation of it), and also the Qt guys promote it ("QML" is javascript) | 16:08 |
| Venemo | what's wrong with the world? | 16:08 |
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| * DocScrutinizer programs and starts "deep thought" | 16:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | but I guess we already know the answer: 42 | 16:10 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, sure, but what portion of 42 answers the matter of javascript? | 16:11 |
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| LinuxCode | DocScrutinizer, Guru Meditation error | 16:11 |
| Venemo | lol | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think it's the consequent conclusion from the fact that those nerds love to cal themselves "web programmers" while they actually are designers with a cloudy idea of html, who eventually read a book about how to implement "nifty shiny eyecandy by using JS" | 16:16 |
| * chem|st wonders why "deep thought 2.0" calculates 42.1337 | 16:16 | |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: and never knew that CSS is faster but uses more bandwidth | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: see VBA and its absolutely screwed concept of *translating function names* - same mindset basically | 16:19 |
| Venemo | mhm | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell that's been funny when you never knew whether your "," will be printed as "," or as "." or will just cause an exception | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | same with parameter separation that one time been "a, b, c" and then "a; b; c" iirc | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I had a LOT of fun with these when I wrote XMLMaker for excel | 16:25 |
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| MohammadAG | which is best? MD4/MD5/SHA1? | 16:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=XMLMaker+gsdc <-this XMLMaker (there are lots of others around now ;-D ) | 16:34 |
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| * RST38h yawns | 16:37 | |
| RST38h | Any news? | 16:37 |
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| RST38h | HTC Holiday comes with a 4.5" qHD display with 960 x 540 pixel resolution and boasts of a 1.2 GHz dual core MSM8660 chipset from Qualcomm. It has a 1 GB RAM and 8 MP camera. | 16:38 |
| RST38h | Eh... | 16:38 |
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| chem|st | what about an Espoo NSeries Party in terms of Boston Tea Party if nokia brings no developer device after next | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | chem|st: You want to get rid of your N900 in such a ghastly way? | 16:41 |
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| chem|st | no the devel devices not suiting devel | 16:43 |
| chem|st | so developers deny use of those | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: please elaborate | 16:44 |
| dangergrrl | you know installing the maemo sdks is a pita | 16:44 |
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| dangergrrl | i've been at it for a week with my 1995 internet | 16:44 |
| dangergrrl | never underestimate the evil sensibilities of a german held isp | 16:46 |
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| dangergrrl | att would just charge me by the bit for my sdk | 16:46 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: when devel peops would stick together they/we could obtain preasure on nokia, for some reason nokia thinks "the community will handle it" and actualy we do instead of denying to adopt new garbage they come up with | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, while I sympathise with the general notion, I'm lost on the relation to any recent example | 16:48 |
| dangergrrl | it kinda sucks that nokia figured out hackers will buy it even if they don't support it :P | 16:48 |
| chem|st | no recent, I am talking futurative | 16:48 |
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| dangergrrl | nokia? | 16:49 |
| dangergrrl | future? | 16:49 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: why do you want an insecure algo? | 16:49 |
| dangergrrl | n900? | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | like meego harmattan bastard? | 16:49 |
| dangergrrl | unlikely | 16:49 |
| chem|st | they want to sell capacitive screens to us... without keyboard | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, BS | 16:49 |
| dangergrrl | i like my resistive screen | 16:49 |
| chem|st | and my keyboard | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | who doesn't? | 16:49 |
| dangergrrl | it works when i have motorcycle gloves on | 16:49 |
| dangergrrl | some people like capacitive | 16:50 |
| chem|st | for what reason | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | those are rather narrow on their thinking | 16:50 |
| dangergrrl | multitouch | 16:50 |
| chem|st | I have a capa touchpad on my laptop and it sucks | 16:50 |
| chem|st | useless | 16:50 |
| dangergrrl | try using capa with motorcycle gloves on :P | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | multitouch is no inherent exclusive feature of c-ts, though everybody seems to think that | 16:51 |
| chem|st | it is so unprecise that apart from gaming or ar-drone control I have no further use | 16:51 |
| dangergrrl | toughbook? | 16:52 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: there is new thinfilm technology for MT resistive | 16:52 |
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| dangergrrl | i remember the plato iv touchscreens | 16:53 |
| dangergrrl | you could see the wires between two plastic sheets crisscrossing the screen | 16:53 |
| chem|st | hehe | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are those critters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc | 16:53 |
| dangergrrl | plato iv was pretty incredible for 1970s tech | 16:54 |
| cehteh | "11 finger pan" :) | 16:55 |
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| cehteh | hildon makes no use of pressure sensitiy right? | 16:56 |
| chem|st | the statement that the screen isnt precise enough to show how precise the actual touchscreen is... is the best! | 16:56 |
| cehteh | only mypaint does | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...and if Nokia was serious about community involvement - rather then doing this useless mynokiaphone "select screensize of your fav phone: 3.0" / 3.8" shit - they would listen and then tell if there are chances to get a stantum r-ts mt on next device, if no then why not | 17:00 |
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| dangergrrl | mt would be nice | 17:04 |
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| dangergrrl | i want it to still work with gloves :) | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | mt is overrated | 17:04 |
| dangergrrl | like i said working with gloves is more important to me | 17:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and worth nuttin without proper integration into the whole OS and UI-style guidelines | 17:05 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: ack | 17:05 |
| cehteh | this loose glued together all throught maemo somehow sux | 17:05 |
| dangergrrl | so, is cortex A9 gonna be the next handset? | 17:05 |
| chem|st | had a hard laugh when I first tried the meego-netbookUX, was like "you need a touchscreen to use it" | 17:06 |
| dangergrrl | looks like nokia won't make it for us | 17:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | I want proper multitouch. | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnQHoCDxiRw&NR=1 1:53 cool stuff :-D | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | ~400dpi. | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | So it can do fingerprints. | 17:08 |
| dangergrrl | i'm glad i don't have clearance to anything | 17:09 |
| dangergrrl | no cutting my fingers off to unlock doors | 17:09 |
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| cehteh | yeah you remember passwords .. so sorry, we have to disect your brain :P | 17:12 |
| cehteh | ..bll | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | also there are way smarter technologies than mt r-ts nowadays, each with their own pros and cons. SpeedEvil knows a lot about it | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g surface wave | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously is an "active" method, so will eat "lots" of energy while sensing | 17:15 |
| chem|st | could build a stereoscopic cam in it (~5000€) and get gesture recognition working... | 17:17 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: smarter != mature .. there are a lot new technologies which are not proven in the field yet, i dont trust them yet | 17:18 |
| cehteh | the n900 touchscreen is great, but its software handling could be better .. | 17:19 |
| cehteh | multitouch would be nice tough .. if only 2 or 3 fingers | 17:20 |
| RST38h | on screen virtual joypads! | 17:20 |
| edheldil | there was some video about fake MT | 17:20 |
| * RST38h wants 4.5"-5" screen though | 17:20 | |
| chem|st | RST38h: so 2 fingers for you | 17:20 |
| RST38h | chemist: 4 | 17:21 |
| cehteh | you can do a lot with pressure sensitivity if done right | 17:21 |
| RST38h | chemist: a diagonal direction + fire + bomb | 17:21 |
| chem|st | RST38h: ? holding it upside down or what? | 17:21 |
| edheldil | set up the bomb | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Oooh! | 17:21 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Can't do shit on the N900, due to its pressure readings being wrong | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Firebomb who is the question. | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Well... | 17:21 |
| RST38h | chem|st: Sitting on it! | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Pressure is really teh wrong term. | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | It's an integrated conductivity measurement. | 17:21 |
| chem|st | lol | 17:21 |
| cehteh | RST38h: yes that what i saied, its software/driver sux .. should be done better | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's more like area of touch | 17:22 |
| chem|st | vibration on! | 17:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is related to pressure in only the loosest way. | 17:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's sort of area * fn(pressure) | 17:22 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: area not .. you can do that with a sharp pen too | 17:22 |
| cehteh | yes it integrates all | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | a sharp pen is barely pressure sensitive | 17:22 |
| cehteh | works somewhat | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | the hw driver is checking the cunductivity from one plane to the other | 17:23 |
| cehteh | how do resistive displays work? scanning lines? | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | for a pinpoint contact that's rather defined independently of pressure | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: There are two resistive planes. | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | gradient | 17:24 |
| cehteh | ah ok | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: These have conductive electrodes down the X axis for one, and the Y for the other. | 17:24 |
| cehteh | yes got it now | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: measuring the resistance between X1 and Y2 and Y1 give you X position | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | similarly for Y | 17:24 |
| cehteh | yeah | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 17:25 |
| RST38h | cehteh: N900 pressure readings are bad because of the hw issues | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | rather - applying a voltage across X1 and X2, and measuring voltage out at Y1 | 17:25 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Mechanical even - the hard screen cover tends to distribute pressure over a bigger area | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | you apply plus to x-up and - to x-down, and check the voltage at Y-* | 17:25 |
| cehteh | yes sure | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then you swap x vs y | 17:26 |
| * cehteh thinks about 3 planes in 60° angle .. multitouch voila | 17:26 | |
| cehteh | wll gtg really now bbl | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, there are other designs of r-ts than the obove sketched 4-wire | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like 5 wire, which has a contact in each corner of one plane, and only one contact to other plane | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: IT's two planes that touch each other when pressed. 3 planes is technically impossible. | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if only for translucency | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a rather cool design would use pulse response. (C) J. Reisenweber | 17:30 |
| dangergrrl | it's an M.E.'s job :P | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | as those 2 planes are a nice sufficiently complex "coaxial" system | 17:31 |
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| dangergrrl | they give stuff to the EE | 17:31 |
| dangergrrl | he builds something broken | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | with all properties of such a system (read: 50Ohm RG55 tin ethernet coax cable) | 17:31 |
| dangergrrl | then they expect the software folks to work around it | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: actually it's usually the other way round: EE builds nice stuff, but SW doesn't care to ask how to use it properly | 17:32 |
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| dangergrrl | you must have worked different jobs from me | 17:33 |
| dangergrrl | they always gave me broken toys | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | then when it sucks, the EE are the ones to take the flames | 17:33 |
| dangergrrl | and expected me to make them work anyway | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can watch that effect all over meego-arm | 17:34 |
| dangergrrl | starting with the FDC on the TEI S-100 my high school principal had | 17:35 |
| dangergrrl | it would boot | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "EEEW, N900 *SUCKS* on power usage!!1!1!11eleven!" | 17:35 |
| dangergrrl | if you set a breakpoint in the floop initialization code | 17:35 |
| dangergrrl | floppy | 17:35 |
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| RST38h | dangergrrl: 8272 or 1793? | 17:36 |
| dangergrrl | whoever wrote the boot code needed a delay loop | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | seeeee?? SW sucks | 17:36 |
| dangergrrl | well, i got out of class for weeks | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *bet* the EE knew and documented there is a mandatory delay | 17:37 |
| dangergrrl | special dispensation to the principal's office | 17:37 |
| dangergrrl | may well have | 17:37 |
| dangergrrl | you had to set a breakpoint with the toggle switches | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's really always like this | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Doc: FDCs are like that, a lot of their timings are mechanics related. Not controller's fault. | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | EE usually know their shit, just SW devels don't care, as they think hw has to work the way they expect it to | 17:38 |
| dangergrrl | someone's secretary mistyped 100ms as 1ms | 17:38 |
| dangergrrl | this was a computer designed in 1977 | 17:39 |
| dangergrrl | not sure if it had a fdc on a chip | 17:39 |
| dangergrrl | i think it was a whole board | 17:39 |
| dangergrrl | made by wd | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I know, I tuned my Amiga1000 FD to use stepper rate *2 to give both better access times and lower noise | 17:40 |
| dangergrrl | who also made the lsi-11 boards for DEC | 17:40 |
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| dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer: *some* documentation just plain lies | 17:40 |
| dangergrrl | both hw and sw | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, and EE will detect it *usually* | 17:41 |
| dangergrrl | i can usually tell when the docs are crap | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | as experienced EE do their own test and PoC implementations | 17:42 |
| dangergrrl | but that doesn't tell you what the truth is | 17:42 |
| cityLights | MohammadAG: I took your advice and installed the advance power on my N900 | 17:42 |
| cityLights | I do see a .desktop belonging to the advance power pkg | 17:42 |
| dangergrrl | you have a vacuum advance on your n900? :) | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | then they pass all that to SW and those nerds just say "meh, not my coding style, way too much cruft in there! I'll do it from scratch" | 17:43 |
| cityLights | I think that I used too much of the openvpn code, thus cant run my program and openvpn applet | 17:43 |
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| cityLights | but I will examine advance power .py now | 17:43 |
| cityLights | cehteh: hi there | 17:44 |
| dangergrrl | try getting 4 serial ports running at 9600 baud on a 286 with intel uarts :P | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 17:44 |
| cityLights | chem|st: well i called the number you gave me | 17:44 |
| dangergrrl | those things are so broken | 17:44 |
| cityLights | they dont speek english... | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | intel UARTs were mere BS iirc | 17:45 |
| cityLights | so I ask again | 17:45 |
| cityLights | I am new to germany | 17:45 |
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| cityLights | assume i have a broken N800 and only speak english - how can I fix it in munchen? | 17:45 |
| cityLights | minchen | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | muenchen :-D | 17:46 |
| cityLights | can I take it to any 02 shop? | 17:46 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | call golden-delicious, ask for nickolaus | 17:46 |
| cityLights | I preffer the german way of saying the name of the town | 17:46 |
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| dangergrrl | deutsche well has some good online german classes | 17:46 |
| dangergrrl | welle | 17:47 |
| cityLights | golden-delicious ? ok,,, google .... | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | goldelico | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 17:47 |
| dangergrrl | i'm just dumb | 17:47 |
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| dangergrrl | can only remember mein muttersprachen ist englitch and then my eyes get glassy | 17:48 |
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| cityLights | I also need help in finding the advance monitor sources online - i did manage to install it fine | 18:00 |
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| cityLights | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/diablo_extras_free_armel/advanced-power-src/0.4.1-6/ has no source files | 18:04 |
| cityLights | odd | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/a/advanced-power-src/advanced-power-src_0.4.1-6.tar.gz | 18:13 |
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| cityLights | thank you very much | 18:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NB it's diablo, not fremantle | 18:19 |
| cityLights | right | 18:20 |
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| cityLights | which is what I am looking for | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually I adore advanced power monitor on diablo, unequaled and missing on N900 | 18:21 |
| cityLights | how to see color in my editor while writing code on the N900? | 18:23 |
| dangergrrl | what's the cli thing that shows power info? | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: bq27200.sh ? | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | or powertop ? | 18:25 |
| dangergrrl | maybe powertop | 18:25 |
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| dangergrrl | that show how much power i'm getting from usb and whether i'm charging or losing? | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | powertop mostly is about CPU load, wakeups, etc | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's bq27200.sh | 18:26 |
| mgedmin | cityLights, well, it depends on the editor you use | 18:26 |
| dangergrrl | aha | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | I like vim -- and the maemo vim package has full support for :syntax on and other goodies | 18:27 |
| dangergrrl | i thought there was something like that | 18:27 |
| cityLights | o ok | 18:27 |
| dangergrrl | i have no idea which vi i have installed on maemo | 18:27 |
| dangergrrl | i know i don't have emacs :( | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | prolly messybox-vi | 18:28 |
| chem|st | emacs wont be started ever on a system of mine - I prefer to boot it^^ | 18:28 |
| dangergrrl | it works for what little i know of vi :) | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | busybox vi comes preinstalled | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | it's... painful | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 18:28 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 18:28 |
| dangergrrl | does hjkl dw dd a i and C | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | doesn't do u, I think, which I find a bit limiting :) | 18:29 |
| dangergrrl | i installed bash and /usr/bin/gnu stuff | 18:30 |
| * mgedmin somehow doubts "system integrators" have a goal of "decent user interactive shell plus unix utils" | 18:30 | |
| mgedmin | now if the n900 were developed and marketed in the 1970s... | 18:30 |
| Sicelo_ | [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[5~ | 18:30 |
| dangergrrl | i didn't install gcc even though the 'how to connect to freenode on n900 on tmobile' doc i found suggests so | 18:30 |
| chem|st | I miss manpages... | 18:30 |
| dangergrrl | man 1 man | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get install mandb-n900 | 18:31 |
| dangergrrl | oh | 18:31 |
| dangergrrl | i need to manually get a deb file i think | 18:32 |
| Sicelo_ | Ehrm, sorry , typo | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | coutesy MohammadAG whom I pesterd to do that pkg :-D | 18:32 |
| edheldil | dangergrrl: there's vim in repos too | 18:32 |
| edheldil | ah, sorry | 18:32 |
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| dangergrrl | i can't ssh to the n900 | 18:34 |
| dangergrrl | it's a modem right now | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: gcc for connecting N900 to freenode, well THAT sounds *odd* | 18:34 |
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| dangergrrl | freenode requires SASL auth on some ISPs | 18:34 |
| dangergrrl | tmobile in particular | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 18:35 |
| dangergrrl | there is a C SASL plugin for xchat | 18:35 |
| dangergrrl | need gcc to compile it | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | still I wonder where gcc comes in | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | tzztzz, compile on N900, how geeky | 18:35 |
| dangergrrl | yeah, he couldn't resist | 18:36 |
| dangergrrl | because he could | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | must be a andridiot dude | 18:36 |
| dangergrrl | like one small .c file, likely doesn't take long even on n900 native | 18:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but insatlling gcc will take a while | 18:37 |
| dangergrrl | i've done embedded work | 18:37 |
| dangergrrl | just because the target can run gcc does not mean it's the best plan | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 18:38 |
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| edheldil | dangergrrl: you should use "ed" as an editor to really reenact the experience then, should not you? :) | 18:38 |
| dangergrrl | gcc could well alloca the n900's whole address space in one call without even considering | 18:39 |
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| dangergrrl | teco | 18:39 |
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| dangergrrl | make love not war you turkey | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | It worked for compiling the kernel for me. IIRC about an hour. | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 18:40 |
| dangergrrl | actually my friend did do some native dev on n800 | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel took way longer on my dualcore 1.6GHz pentium, in SB | 18:40 |
| dangergrrl | but it's not preferable | 18:40 |
| dangergrrl | an hour sounds short | 18:41 |
| lcuk | depends what you are compiling and how many dependencies it has | 18:41 |
| dangergrrl | i'm compiling something to post live gps tracks for me | 18:42 |
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| dangergrrl | haven't decided what yet | 18:42 |
| dangergrrl | either a gpsjinni mod or mappero | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ lcuk | 18:42 |
| lcuk | \o DocScrutinizer | 18:42 |
| dangergrrl | gpsjinni is probably smaller and easier to modify | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Oops - my bad - 3 hours, not one. | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | check out columbus | 18:44 |
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| dangergrrl | haven't tried columbus | 18:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer neither | 18:45 | |
| dangergrrl | mappero is pretty nice but confusing for what i've tried to use it for | 18:45 |
| chem|st | dangergrrl: columbus has various outputs... BT ether serial et al | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather columbus started as a nice GPS frontend rather than a mapper app | 18:46 |
| chem|st | it is basically a mapless gps plotter for sailing... you got waypoints distances speed direction and so on | 18:47 |
| dangergrrl | definately look at it then | 18:47 |
| dangergrrl | after i spend days waiting for the sdk to install..... | 18:47 |
| chem|st | works more like the garmin outdoor things without any maps | 18:48 |
| dangergrrl | i have 50mb out of 150 of scratchbox-devkit-doctools | 18:48 |
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| dangergrrl | on a real internet connection i would be done in a minute or two | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 19.6K modem? ;-) | 18:49 |
| dangergrrl | getting about 7.5kb/s so i think like 80k? | 18:50 |
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| dangergrrl | dt i hate you, glad you're selling tmobile, but att is even worse | 18:52 |
| chem|st | all us providers are even worse | 18:54 |
| chem|st | apart from push-to-talk which is not available here we have a descent networkstructure and not so bad contracts | 18:55 |
| chem|st | can tell stories about dt all day... | 18:56 |
| dangergrrl | verizon still sells unlimited | 18:56 |
| dangergrrl | but it's cdma | 18:56 |
| dangergrrl | and it ends in a week or so | 18:56 |
| chem|st | claiming to be the most inovative country and beeing the most inovative country is a huge difference | 18:57 |
| dangergrrl | tmobile sells "unlimited*" data | 18:57 |
| Sicelo_ | usb-modeswitch is available for N900? | 18:57 |
| dangergrrl | which means the first 5gb is fast then you go at dialup speed | 18:58 |
| chem|st | thats what they do here to | 18:59 |
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| dangergrrl | i would hate them less if they used QoS instead of rate limiting | 19:00 |
| chem|st | who wouldn't | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: most innovative? USA? LOL! USA is third world of telco | 19:01 |
| dangergrrl | QoS would serve the purpose of not letting heavy users degrade the network for others | 19:02 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: 4th | 19:02 |
| * Sicelo_ is thinking in terms of cdma... perhaps a cdma modem could be used with N900 | 19:02 | |
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| chem|st | even africa got better nets | 19:02 |
| dangergrrl | Sicelo_: why would you want to? | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo_: h-e-n is what you're looking for | 19:03 |
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| dangergrrl | you know the usa has a national infrastructure goal for 2020 of having 99% availability of 4/1mbps dsl | 19:03 |
| dangergrrl | which would put us dead last | 19:04 |
| Sicelo_ | true doc, :) | 19:04 |
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| chem|st | 4/1... lol | 19:05 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 19:06 |
| nid0 | in fairness, that's much better than the UK's goal | 19:06 |
| chem|st | good morning | 19:06 |
| nid0 | though it is 5 years longer | 19:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have 3/0.5 ATM | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo_: but N900 can't power CDMA dongles | 19:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I could get 3/1 - if they would let me. | 19:06 |
| dangergrrl | probably want a cradlepoint for that | 19:07 |
| nid0 | im on 7.5/1 here, but I 2/0.25 is the uk's 2015 goal | 19:07 |
| chem|st | are we talking bits or bytes? | 19:07 |
| SpeedEvil | bits | 19:07 |
| chem|st | lol | 19:07 |
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| dangergrrl | au is doing gigabit anywhere | 19:08 |
| chem|st | 25/1mbits currently | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | dangergrrl: Which you can use for 8 seconds before going over quota. | 19:08 |
| chem|st | what is a shame as the whole town is darkfibre! | 19:08 |
| dangergrrl | chatanooga tn has gigabit now | 19:08 |
| dangergrrl | for $350/mo | 19:08 |
| nid0 | god im looking forward to our fttc/ftth rollout here :\ | 19:08 |
| chem|st | voluntary project in the early millenium | 19:08 |
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| chem|st | could get 100/6 for 40€/month or 32/2 for 20€ | 19:10 |
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| chem|st | or gbit sync for 250€ | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and 20km out the suburbs you can't get any DSL at all, still! | 19:11 |
| chem|st | thats not my fault | 19:12 |
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| chem|st | most suburbs got cable allready | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure it is ;-D | 19:12 |
| dangergrrl | well, the 4/1 plan is supposed to cover even people in alaska and wyoming where it's not profitable | 19:13 |
| dangergrrl | but still | 19:13 |
| chem|st | I used to live in the far end of nowhere and there in the only street without cable... | 19:13 |
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| dangergrrl | they could skip the whole state of wyoming and hit the 99% goal | 19:13 |
| chem|st | doubt they got dsl yet but cable for sure | 19:13 |
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| chem|st | dangergrrl: don't forget kansas and mississippi | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | here in Germany the situation is: un cities everybody can get 16MB downstream, while at countryside we got a coverage of maybe 10..20% | 19:14 |
| GAN900 | Live blog in #meegoconf starting in about 45 minutes. | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | for DSL | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | heya \o/ | 19:14 |
| chem|st | yeah cable is about 35% afair | 19:14 |
| dangergrrl | chem|st: the whole state of wyoming is like 150k people | 19:14 |
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| chem|st | korea got gbit everywhere | 19:15 |
| dangergrrl | people actually live in kansas and mississippi | 19:15 |
| chem|st | thought so^^ | 19:15 |
| chem|st | bb lads and ladies | 19:16 |
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| dangergrrl | best i've been able to get for DSL was 7/1 | 19:16 |
| dangergrrl | but i got 6 ip adresses for only $15 extra | 19:17 |
| ccooke | hmm... The droid 3 looks good. Wonder if maemo/mer/meego could be installed on it :-) | 19:19 |
| ccooke | (meego, probably) | 19:19 |
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| viewer | how can i add the repo Diablo Extras-devel free i386? or should i add the armel one for my n900? | 19:30 |
| Necc | ? | 19:31 |
| Necc | once again pls vith more detail | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | i386 is for desktops | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | well - and laptops | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | you should never have it enabled on your n900 | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and diablo won't work for N900 anyway | 19:43 |
| Lantizia | OK so I've scrapped my plans for an ext3 mmcblk0p1 (i.e. MyDocs)... it's insane, you need to replace two scripts just to get it to remount it after and even then they don't work | 19:44 |
| Lantizia | So I'm thinking a buy real 32gb MicroSD card, ext3 it.. and maybe an nfs server on the n900 because I'll be sick of taking the back cover off... | 19:45 |
| Lantizia | Only thing that annoys me about that is theres 27gb I'll barely use on the internal mmc.... grrrr | 19:45 |
| Lantizia | so I'm left with either a) a loopback file that is ext3... crazy mofo idea - sloooooow.... or b) err... another additional partition on mmcblk0 and somehow pray filemanager/media-player sees it as an inserted microsd card? | 19:46 |
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| Lantizia | Objective: Use ext3 filesystem to to music files on instead of FAT as it can't handle like a shit load of unicode characters and symbols | 19:46 |
| Lantizia | *to load music | 19:47 |
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| dm8tbr | repartitioning is not an option? | 19:47 |
| Lantizia | dm8tbr, depends - what are you repartitioning and in what way? | 19:47 |
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| dm8tbr | I'd try this: resize the MyDocs partition to be 500M or so and create a new partition behind it | 19:48 |
| dm8tbr | (that's what I did for other devices) | 19:48 |
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| Lantizia | dm8tbr, ok - I can do that dead easy... but what do I get from that? will maemo apps even look at that partition like they look at MyDocs or an inserted MicroSD card for files? | 19:48 |
| dm8tbr | Lantizia: I just thought you wanted something that's ext3 formatted. so what would you like to do with the ext3 formatted space then? | 19:49 |
| Lantizia | put music, movies, documents, my data on it | 19:50 |
| dm8tbr | also this wouldn't have the 4GiB limitation of the loopmount ext3 on vfat | 19:50 |
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| Lantizia | FAT is not acceptable... my desktop systems are linux and I don't name my files avoiding "unacceptable" characters that FAT doesn't like - some are even unicode (like classical music has russian names with russian symbols) | 19:50 |
| dm8tbr | you can mount it somewhere on the mydocs partition or elsewhere where it's accessible? | 19:51 |
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| dm8tbr | I didn't suggest FAT, did I? | 19:51 |
| Lantizia | dm8tbr, there is no point in trying to replace MyDocs to be ext3, looked at that already - everything expects it to be fat | 19:51 |
| Lantizia | dm8tbr, no I'm just explaining why I can't use it | 19:51 |
| dm8tbr | learn reading... | 19:51 |
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| dm8tbr | I didn't propose for mydocs to be ext3... | 19:52 |
| Lantizia | then I don't understand what your proposing | 19:52 |
| dm8tbr | just _one_ directory in there could be the mountpoint | 19:52 |
| dm8tbr | .../mydocs/ext3 | 19:52 |
| Lantizia | ah I see where your going | 19:52 |
| Lantizia | doesn't fstab get re-generated though on every boot up? | 19:53 |
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| dm8tbr | that would be accessible by other applications but wouldn't break whatever expects the partition to be fat for mydocs | 19:53 |
| dm8tbr | I am not familiar with the boot process of the n900 | 19:53 |
| dm8tbr | but I'd expect it to have something like rc.local | 19:53 |
| dm8tbr | also note that this might break (to an extent) the USB-mass-storage feature | 19:54 |
| Lantizia | dm8tbr, probably won't, from what I know mmcblk0p1 is exported over USB like a block device | 19:54 |
| Lantizia | the ext3 dir would be empty | 19:54 |
| dm8tbr | it wouldn't be exported as it can't unmount the fat partition until the ext3 partition is umounted... | 19:55 |
| Lantizia | lol ah! | 19:55 |
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| dm8tbr | just spinning some ideas here. you still have to find the one that suits your needs. | 19:56 |
| Lantizia | it looks like work has been done on making MyDocs ext3 on the bugtracker - not perfect though | 19:56 |
| Lantizia | that'd be ideal - then I can just use the mass storage to put files on/off | 19:56 |
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| RST38h | "An HP exec says that his company's upcoming TouchPad will overtake the current tablet-market dominator, Apple's iPad." | 19:58 |
| TomaszD | unless it costs half of what the ipad costs and gets heavily marketed, he's delusional | 19:58 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: "Chinese army develop first-person shooter game... with U.S. troops as the enemy" | 19:59 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Successful-timing-attacks-on-elliptic-curve-cryptography-1247772.html your ssl may be broken | 20:05 |
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| jacekowski | pupnik_: that's BS | 20:08 |
| jacekowski | pupnik_: there are no timing attacks that can be executed in real life | 20:08 |
| Gyjf | yet | 20:08 |
| jacekowski | never | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | in any modern OS timing depends so many random things | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | that you can't really get usefull information | 20:09 |
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| timsamoff | cf | 20:09 |
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| Gyjf | it says they did it | 20:10 |
| Gyjf | on localhost tho | 20:10 |
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| pupnik_ | it's just a curious result | 20:10 |
| pupnik_ | but good point jacekowski | 20:11 |
| Gyjf | but still, it might lead to remote attacks | 20:11 |
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| jacekowski | well, so far only timing attack that succeded was attack on modified version of openssl | 20:11 |
| jacekowski | that was modified to report all timing information | 20:11 |
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| jacekowski | rdtsc timing information to be precise | 20:11 |
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| jacekowski | you need precise amount of clock cycles | 20:13 |
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| Wizzup | What are typically good places to start looking when the rootfs is full? | 20:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | / | 20:14 |
| Wizzup | Very good | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't remember - find works though | 20:15 |
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| Gyjf | /dev/random is usualy a bad place to look | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | What's the meego conf channel - I mislaid it | 20:15 |
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| kerio | Gyjf: why not? you can find anything in there | 20:17 |
| Gyjf | yea | 20:18 |
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| Gyjf | as they say; with a milion computers doing cat /dev/random and infinite time eventually it will come up with the complete works of Stallman | 20:19 |
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| kerio | but... he's not dead yet! | 20:23 |
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| Gyjf | with an milion pcs and infite time you can tell the future :P | 20:27 |
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| cityLights | MohammadAG: ok I compared the status menu code in advanced power its in the file maemo5.py | 20:30 |
| cityLights | and it looks like the code I used | 20:30 |
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| cityLights | My problem is: when I put my program in /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ | 20:30 |
| cityLights | and a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/ | 20:31 |
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| cityLights | I can see a button in the hildon status menu in my N900 | 20:31 |
| cityLights | however when I add the .desktop file of the openvpn-applet , my button disappears | 20:32 |
| cityLights | I have now idea why this happen | 20:32 |
| cityLights | here is my UI code: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233053 | 20:33 |
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| arvut | what's in ##overflow? | 20:47 |
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| cityLights | maybe any of the new members that joined can help me with maemo 5 status menu UI | 20:52 |
| cityLights | here is my UI code: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233053 | 20:52 |
| cityLights | when I add the .desktop file of the openvpn-applet , my button disappears | 20:53 |
| cityLights | why? | 20:53 |
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| trumee | guys, anybody used sygic? i reflashed my device and dont know which is the latest version of sygic | 21:02 |
| trumee | is it mobile-maps_8.1.2_armel.deb ? | 21:02 |
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| Wizzup | Nokia-N900:~# mount -t ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1 | 21:13 |
| Wizzup | rmount: mounting /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 failed: Invalid argument | 21:13 |
| Wizzup | Any ideas? | 21:13 |
| Wizzup | (I just did mkfs.ext3...) | 21:13 |
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| kahless | Wizzup: try reinsert your sdcard | 21:15 |
| Wizzup | ok | 21:16 |
| * Wizzup accidentilly the battery as well :) | 21:17 | |
| kahless | oh :)) | 21:17 |
| Gyjf | are you root? | 21:17 |
| Wizzup | yes | 21:18 |
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| Wizzup | Still the same. ugh | 21:18 |
| Wizzup | Worst thing is it doesn't show errors in dmesg either | 21:18 |
| Wizzup | wuut. It's at the old fs still... | 21:20 |
| Wizzup | oh wow. | 21:20 |
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| Wizzup | well that explains. | 21:20 |
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| Wizzup | Wow. Wait what. I just unmounted it; did mkfs.ext3 on it; I mount it again and the fs is still there. | 21:22 |
| Wizzup | I'm lost. | 21:23 |
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| nusse | is there a guide how to package a python home applet? | 21:24 |
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| Sicelo_ | shhh.. everyone... conference in progress | 21:29 |
| Sicelo_ | ;P | 21:29 |
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| nusse | what? | 21:34 |
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| * thomasjfox wonders why the maemo alarm clock always takes about three seconds to load | 21:34 | |
| nusse | if you find out, tell me | 21:34 |
| nusse | that damn alarm clock | 21:34 |
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| Sicelo_ | guys.. most of the people who can help you are kinda occupied with SF MeggGoConf atm | 21:39 |
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| infobot | msg from chanop: pupnik, please stay on topic and DO NOT INSULT OR GO XXX, this isn't #politics and (usually) a worksafe chan | 21:42 |
| javispedro | ok, wtf. | 21:43 |
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| pupnik | hi javispedro | 21:44 |
| pupnik | i sometimes get out of line :D | 21:44 |
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| javispedro | hello pupnik | 21:44 |
| pupnik | so what happened with the meego conference, did you go? | 21:45 |
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| pupnik | the satanists took over skype and nokia | 21:45 |
| javispedro | nope, sadly :( | 21:45 |
| pupnik | ah | 21:45 |
| pupnik | well they're inside intel too | 21:46 |
| pupnik | 'intel inside' is a nice joke | 21:46 |
| pupnik | like IX XI | 21:46 |
| pupnik | connect the dots ;) | 21:47 |
| javispedro | heh | 21:47 |
| javispedro | seems that it is utterly impossible to find a freenode staffer | 21:47 |
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| pupnik | i know some | 21:48 |
| pupnik | why do you need one | 21:49 |
| javispedro | my cloak is so outdated | 21:50 |
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| pupnik | has your interest in free software expanded to the theory of freedom in a more general sense? | 21:51 |
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| pupnik | it necessarily includes understanding threats to data privacy | 21:52 |
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| pupnik | too many people pretend they don't exist | 21:52 |
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| merlin1991 | ~seen X-Fade | 22:10 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (3d 8h 49m 46s) #meego (3d 8h 49m 46s), last said: 'lbt: first.last @ nokia.'. | 22:10 |
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| khertan | ^^lol at the maemo topic : PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED, and keep clear of that shit! ( | 22:21 |
| khertan | :) | 22:21 |
| RST38h | is Meego'suboot safe? | 22:21 |
| merlin1991 | afaik yes | 22:22 |
| dm8tbr | as long as you don't do power kernel stuff IIRC | 22:23 |
| dm8tbr | uboot works fine with pr1.3 for me | 22:23 |
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| cityLights | is there anyone avail to help with python gtk on hildon here? | 22:38 |
| cityLights | i cant get a Ui simaler to openvpn-applet to work | 22:38 |
| cityLights | is there a release date for the N9 yet? | 22:39 |
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| cityLights | hi lardman | 22:54 |
| cityLights | are you in SF? | 22:54 |
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| lardman | cityLights: hi, no I'm afraid not | 23:02 |
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| cityLights | are you still in the open source sceane? | 23:02 |
| lardman | yes, though I've not done much for a few months | 23:03 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: Issue published | 23:03 |
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| cityLights | are you in germany - by any chance? | 23:03 |
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| lardman | no, England | 23:03 |
| cityLights | damn | 23:04 |
| lardman | why's that? | 23:04 |
| cityLights | wish someone here could help me with the UI | 23:04 |
| cityLights | I am at munich this weekend | 23:04 |
| cityLights | was hoping to meet ppl | 23:05 |
| cityLights | import ppl | 23:05 |
| lardman | ah ok, sorry | 23:05 |
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| cityLights | hrw, disappeared | 23:05 |
| lardman | yeah I've not seen him in a while I agree | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | uboot works great with powerkernel for me | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: ^^^ | 23:06 |
| cehteh | cityLights: when do you arrive in karlsruhe? | 23:09 |
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| cityLights | 30th | 23:09 |
| cityLights | 16:00 | 23:09 |
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| cehteh | hehe 20:00 is KaLUG meeting .. | 23:10 |
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| cehteh | see you for dinner there then :P | 23:10 |
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| cityLights | will it be interesting for me? | 23:10 |
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| cityLights | I hope to meet my family when arriving | 23:10 |
| cityLights | and solve this ui issue | 23:11 |
| cehteh | there are few n900 owners .. christop who programmed the gui for monav | 23:11 |
| cehteh | some OSM people | 23:11 |
| cityLights | hmmmm | 23:11 |
| cehteh | and after all a lot nice linux geeks | 23:11 |
| cehteh | do you speak german? | 23:11 |
| cityLights | I understand little | 23:11 |
| cityLights | got an address? | 23:12 |
| cityLights | for KaLUG meeting | 23:12 |
| cehteh | meeting at a restaurant .. "Wacht am Rhein" .. very central in the city | 23:12 |
| cehteh | want coordinates? :) | 23:13 |
| cityLights | YES pls | 23:13 |
| cehteh | well its described on kalug.de | 23:13 |
| cityLights | great! | 23:13 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: ah nice to know! | 23:14 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: I only remembered there was some episode initially :) | 23:14 |
| lardman | I hope that is indeed am not in | 23:14 |
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| cehteh | http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.004341&lon=8.397932&zoom=18&layers=M | 23:14 |
| lardman | with Rhein following of course | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: ?? | 23:15 |
| lardman | watching in the Rhein sounds less pleasant | 23:16 |
| cehteh | hehe Wacht old name for toll-station | 23:16 |
| lardman | ah I see the meaning now | 23:17 |
| cehteh | the owner formerly (years ago) had a restaurant close to the rhine river outside of the city | 23:17 |
| cehteh | they moved into the city but retained the name | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny enough here in N we got all the same | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | except any Rhein nearby | 23:17 |
| cehteh | N? | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nbg | 23:18 |
| cehteh | ah ok :) | 23:18 |
| cityLights | very well | 23:18 |
| cehteh | you are in N center? | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:18 |
| cityLights | I am going to dearm now | 23:18 |
| cehteh | a friend of me lives in Roth | 23:18 |
| cityLights | hope to catch you all tommorow | 23:18 |
| cityLights | have a good night | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 23:19 |
| cehteh | its long time overdue that we meet there to do some spirits black burning .. maybe we can once meet for a beer :P | 23:19 |
| lardman | night cityLights | 23:19 |
| cehteh | (or a mikl, coke or whatever) | 23:19 |
| cityLights | bye lardman | 23:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure | 23:19 |
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| cehteh | anyone coming to FrOSCon btw? .. i just added our project submission so i will be definitively there | 23:20 |
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| cityLights | ~seen mikkov | 23:21 |
| infobot | mikkov is currently on #maemo (4d 10h 35m 13s) #meego (4d 10h 35m 13s), last said: 'http://ecoach.garage.maemo.org/'. | 23:22 |
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| mikkov | i am here | 23:22 |
| cityLights | hi there | 23:22 |
| mikkov | hi | 23:22 |
| cityLights | listen I really need your help with hildon UI | 23:22 |
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| cityLights | I asked here since the morning and no one helped | 23:23 |
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| cityLights | well MohammadAG helped but I need more | 23:23 |
| mikkov | about what? | 23:23 |
| cityLights | I am writing a new program to silent the phone when in a meeting | 23:23 |
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| cityLights | I used your code to see how to write the hildon status menu UI | 23:24 |
| lcuk | cityLights, I thought n900 had a silent mode already? | 23:24 |
| lcuk | just tap power button and select "Silent" | 23:24 |
| cityLights | and I see a button in my N900 with the name I gave it | 23:24 |
| cityLights | BUT | 23:24 |
| cityLights | if I add YOUR openvpn-applet - my button disappears | 23:25 |
| lcuk | in the status menu, it is selectable by clicking "Profile" | 23:25 |
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| cityLights | luck - I want the phone to do it by itself | 23:25 |
| mikkov | cityLights: you are probably registering your applet with openvpn-applet name | 23:26 |
| cityLights | lcuk - the calender allready shows I am in a meeting | 23:26 |
| cityLights | yes, I tought this may happen | 23:26 |
| cityLights | where can I see this? | 23:26 |
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| cityLights | this is my code: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233053 | 23:26 |
| cityLights | I am so glad mikkov is around | 23:27 |
| cityLights | I wasted a lot of time trying to figure this issue out | 23:27 |
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| cityLights | most of the openvpn-applet code is easy to follow | 23:27 |
| mikkov | check the .desktop file | 23:28 |
| cityLights | can it be line 132: obj = gobject.new(hd_plugin_type, plugin_id="plugin_id") | 23:29 |
| mikkov | I need to check things a little bit, since I forgot how things work | 23:29 |
| cityLights | min pasteing it | 23:29 |
| cityLights | you are very kind | 23:29 |
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| cityLights | mikkov: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1233106 | 23:33 |
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| mikkov | difficult to give an answer, actually | 23:39 |
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| cityLights | :-/ | 23:39 |
| cityLights | I tried : obj = gobject.new(hd_plugin_type, plugin_id="switch") | 23:40 |
| cityLights | got the same issue | 23:40 |
| mikkov | that code is inactive when run as plugin | 23:40 |
| mikkov | I don't know if it works otherwise either | 23:40 |
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| cityLights | can you see any line similer to your code , that can cause overlap? | 23:41 |
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| mikkov | what is your main class called? | 23:42 |
| cityLights | switchProfByMeeting | 23:43 |
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| ShadowJK | What's this about qgil's talk getting rejected? What was it going to be out? | 23:43 |
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| rm_work | ShadowJK: what? isn't qgil allowed to talk about anything he damn well pleases? :P | 23:45 |
| Venemo | ~ping | 23:45 |
| infobot | ~pong | 23:45 |
| mikkov | cityLights: not really | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | talk/presentation | 23:45 |
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| RST38h | Are there any talks from Nokians at this conference??? | 23:46 |
| cityLights | mikkov: what? pls explain | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, but is he ex-? :) | 23:47 |
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| mikkov | answering to this cityLights: can you see any line similer to your code , that can cause overlap? :) | 23:47 |
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| mikkov | there could be bug in openvpn-applet or even in hildon-desktop-python-loader | 23:48 |
| cityLights | even if I remove the if __name__ == "__main__": line | 23:49 |
| cityLights | i get the same problem | 23:49 |
| cityLights | so even if I register with a new plugin_id="switch" | 23:49 |
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| mikkov | that code should be removed, it has no function | 23:50 |
| cityLights | yet advance power looks fine... | 23:50 |
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| mikkov | here is the documentation http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/HildonDesktop | 23:50 |
| cityLights | advance power also uses python and hildon-status-menu | 23:51 |
| cityLights | ya I know mikkov, yet it doesnt work | 23:51 |
| cityLights | can you please test? | 23:52 |
| cityLights | I pasted both files | 23:52 |
| cityLights | /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/switchProfByMeeting.desktop | 23:53 |
| cityLights | and /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/switchProfByMeeting.py | 23:53 |
| cityLights | do you see the same issue on your N900? | 23:53 |
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