IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-05-23

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Macermaybe the sd just sucks00:02
trumeeDocScrutinizer51: any idea?00:02
vi__trumee: you have provided NO information. not even GOD knows00:03
vi__Segmentation fault (core dumped)00:03
trumeevi__: i want to install cssu version from cli00:03
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MohammadAGtrumee, add the repository and apt-get install community-ssu-enabler00:04
trumeeMohammadAG: thanks00:04
trumeeMohammadAG: what about specific version?00:04
MohammadAGthat will install version 000:04
MohammadAGclose HAM when it auto-opens00:05
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vi__IT COMPILED00:09
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Maceryou sure you were in an armel target?00:14
lcukvi__, ship it.00:15
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vi__while i said 'it compiled' I merley meant 'it compiled'00:24
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trumeeMohammadAG: ok, i installed the community-ssu-enabler usin apt-get and accepted the notice. what next?00:28
MohammadAGtrumee, run the icon so the signature's installed00:29
trumeecrap i clicked on the community-ssu icon and it has started installing00:29
MohammadAGthen install mp-fremantle-generic-pr00:29
trumeeMohammadAG: i want specific version
trumeeMohammadAG: apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr= ?00:31
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MohammadAGVersion: 20.2010.36-2maemo1300:33
MohammadAGnot sure if that'll work00:33
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trumeeMohammadAG: gave an error saying version 201.2010.36-2maemo13 for mp-fremantle-generic-pr was not found00:34
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MohammadAGcommunity-pr, sorry00:35
trumeeok, now it is installing00:36
trumeeinstalled. do i reboot now?00:37
vi__now where does one normally stick there SDL initialisation routines?00:37
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vi__how do I search WITHIN a group of files for a word? i.e. if I wanted to find all instances of the word SCREENWIDTH?00:42
vi__cat ./* | grep FINDME!00:43
MohammadAGthat doesn't show filenames00:43
jogaI most often use grep -rli word .00:48
joga(to find the files that say the word, though)00:48
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vi__ok so now that sucker compiles to 800x48000:53
vi__the author of the code has made the whole thing run at 800x60000:53
vi__shit falls of the bottom of the screen!00:53
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MoonTigerok so the maemo 5 dev env installer sure is a lot purdier than it used to be :)00:59
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Macerfriggin vbox01:22
Maceri want to try to copy this foomatic-rip over01:23
Macerand see if i can print01:23
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Maceri got cups to get a green light01:49
Macerbut i am getting foomatic errors :(01:49
Maceropt/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed01:50
Macer [22/May/2011:17:49:52 -0400] PID 2381 (/opt/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 1!01:51
Macermaybe i need to pkg the build and install it01:51
Maceri need instructions on how to make a deb... can someone direct me?01:52
Maceri just copied the bin to the phone01:52
Macerhoping that us all it needed01:52
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Macerplus the cups build that is in the repo peobably puts things in strange places01:54
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Macermaybe i should try building my own cups01:55
MoonTigerMacer, what env do you use for dev work?01:55
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Maceri am using the ubuntu lucid maemo5 sdk image01:58
Macerin vbox01:58
Maceri have never made a deb from src before01:58
Maceri am trying to figure out how to make one so i can try installing all of foomatic into the proper paths01:59
MoonTigerhmmmm so you use eclipse?01:59
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Macernot really. i am02:01
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Macerjust downloading src02:01
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Macerand trying to build it for my phone02:01
MoonTigeroh .... so ur doing mostly packaging?02:01
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Macertrying to02:01
Macernever did it before02:01
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Maceri need a deb howto02:02
MoonTigerthere is a great howto on the debian site somewhere02:02
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Macerwell. i am going to restore my phone again02:02
Macerbackupmenu is great :)02:02
Macerbackupmenu ftw02:05
Macergreatest thing ever made for the n900 :)02:05
MoonTigerim just getting used to my N90002:05
trxhost mode is the greatest thing ever made for the n90002:05
MoonTigerhad the N81002:05
trxbackupmenu is for people that screw up their n90002:06
Macertrx: yup02:06
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Macer;) like me02:06
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Macerbreaking it over and over again trying to figure out how to get it to print to my laser printer02:07
trxhow did you manage to do that :/02:07
Macerwell.. didn't really break it02:07
trxi didnt screw it up trying to control stepper motors02:07
Macerbut do 30 things to it totally mucking up the install02:07
Macerthen lose track02:07
Macerso i have garbage all over the phone that doesn't work02:08
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Macerwhich makes backupmenu so great... glad someone made this02:08
Macerthe n900 version of android recovery :)02:08
trxwhats android?02:08
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Macerok. i'm giving up on this for a little while. gong out tonight :)02:15
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MoonTigertrying to install the dev env is very very slow02:47
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MoonTigerthe setup wizard script fails completely02:48
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MoonTigerand the manual steps dont work wither02:48
MoonTigerso much for trying to get back into dev for the N90002:48
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MoonTigerdoes anybody have a link t a page that actually explains how to get it up and running ... that actually works?02:50
MoonTigeroh well another time then02:51
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trxwow, what a monologue..02:57
ccookePatient, too03:01
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trxthat too..03:03
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trxthat would be wierd03:04
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trist4nhey men07:27
trist4nam i likely to be able to play 720p .mkv's on my n90007:27
chxtrist4n: certainly. while riding your unicorn under the rainbow.07:29
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trist4n:  |07:31
trist4nimpossible then?07:31
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dm8tbractually I would expect it to be technically possible: (that's the _same_ SoC as on the N900)07:42
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dm8tbrthough it's just possible that nokia didn't buy those shiny codecs from $codec-vendor07:42
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chxthe question is rahter -- what will you do with the 1280x720 pixels once you decoded them?07:44
chxthe screen is too small07:44
chxthere is no hdmi out07:44
dm8tbrsure, that's the fun part where you throw away most of the info by resizing it to the screen :D07:44
dm8tbrthe use case for such insanities is: the user can just torrent the latest episode of $fav_show and dump it onto $device and then watch it during his commute07:46
dm8tbrotherwise you'd need to add a transcoding step07:46
dm8tbrand on the n900 you could in theory torrent it directly to your device, if you have a pocket nuclear power plant that is ;)07:47
trist4nyeah well07:52
trist4ni want my annie may on the train home.07:52
chxdm8tbr: oh come on07:52
chxdm8tbr: there are excellent external batteries07:53
chxdm8tbr: i have seen some with stuff like 400wh07:54
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dm8tbrchx: does it come with a complimentary cart?07:58
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chxdm8tbr: lulz08:05
chxdm8tbr: store in the backpack, it's like 2kg08:06
* dm8tbr killed several backpacks by carrying around SLA cells08:08
dm8tbrand they were comparably small. sthg like 0,6kg each08:08
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dangergrrldm8tbr: actually08:35
dangergrrli have a 12Ah 12v boost pack for my motorcycle08:36
dangergrrlthat runs the n900 for a looong time08:36
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robbiethe1stI bet it does... Should last at least a month on that, if the normal battery lasts a day08:48
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dm8tbrdangergrrl: sure does, no surprise there :)08:49
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dangergrrlit's for camping08:53
dangergrrlor if my key slides out with the headlamps on08:54
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Venemoany way to play flac files on da N900?09:14
derfInstall ogg-support.09:15
psycho_oreosinstall extra decoders09:15
MetalGearSolidextra decoder support09:15
psycho_oreosyou can probably also get away with things like vlc or mplayer ;)09:15
GreatGonzo_That doesn't seem to work at the moment. The whole decoders thing in devel is a mess09:16
psycho_oreosin devel?09:16
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GreatGonzo_Neither mediaplayer nor someplayer can do flac atm.09:16
psycho_oreosmediaplayer and someplayer iirc both depend on gstreamer which essentially is missing flac and other varied support09:17
GreatGonzo_Have tried every combination I could think of. Haven't gone back to ogg-support=1.0.5 yet though.09:18
psycho_oreosI'm sure you don't need to enable extras-devel to get extra-decoders support09:18
VenemoI do gave ogg-support and decoders-support installed09:18
Venemoand I have -devel09:18
GreatGonzo_Venemo, same here09:18
Venemoare this stuff messed up in -devel only?09:18
GreatGonzo_I think so.09:18
VenemoGreatGonzo_, did you actually try or this is just speculation?09:19
GreatGonzo_I tried every bloody combination I could think of09:19
Venemoyou removed -devel and reinstalled and it worked?09:19
GreatGonzo_Nope, sorry not that yet. I know though that it worked before ogg-support got chnaged in extras-devel a few eeks ago09:20
GreatGonzo_weeks as well09:20
Venemoaah, yeah, I think I can recall hearing something about that09:20
Venemookay, I'll do this09:20
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GreatGonzo_Does anybody know the dev who maintains these packages?09:21
GreatGonzo_ogg-support used to pull in flac etc, now it doesn't. Installing these retrospectively wotks for ogg but not for flac.09:22
GreatGonzo_Also oggs are no loner seekable (in someplayer at least for me)09:23
derfIt used to be kulve.09:23
derfDunno if he's still the one doing it.09:23
MetalGearSolidsee post #19109:23
GreatGonzo_thanks that one slipped through the cracks09:24
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kulvelatest Ogg Support should still support flac09:25
Venemowell it didn't work for me09:25
Venemodon't you guys _TEST_ your packages before uploading them?09:25
GreatGonzo_Isn't that what extras-devel is for ;-)09:27
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psycho_oreosits what extras-testing is for :þ09:28
kulveand saying "This doesn't work" doesn't really help. It works for me.09:28
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kulveextras-devel -> extras-testing -> extras09:28
GreatGonzo_ogg isn't seekable - flac doesn't play09:28
derfkulve: You're still not shipping Theora support, right?09:28
kulveat the moment no. 1.0.7 now depends on gst-av which brings in more optimized gst bits on top of ffmpeg09:29
GreatGonzo_kulve, Could you post the exact setup which worls for you in the thread mentioned above?09:29
derfI'd expect libtheora to be much faster than libav on the N900.09:29
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GreatGonzo_and test with soemplayer and mediaplayer09:30
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VenemoI'm using -devel a lot because of my development activities, but I'm always careful not to upload anything that is obviously broken or harms other people's experience09:33
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citylightshi all, why cant I see a widget I add to the status menu according to the wiki example?09:52
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citylightsI added /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ and /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/switchProfByMeeting.desktop09:54
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citylightsbut it doesnt appear . need I register the widget?09:55
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Venemoafter removing -devel and removing ogg-support and decoders support, then reinstalling them, flac files work once again10:03
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chem|ststill mooring?11:36
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chem|stpsycho_oreos: ?11:44
infobotGood morning!11:44
infobotthanks, chem|st11:44
* psycho_oreos curses in silence11:44
chem|st~coffee crashanddie11:44
* infobot steals some of zeltak's special coffee and gives it to crashanddie on a silver platter.11:44
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trist4n`trolltech? lol12:17
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG, I have sociality installed but I don't see a sociality icon in my app menu12:43
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MohammadAGVenemo_N900, "Facebook"12:43
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG, tried that, but it displays some weird web page thingy12:45
Venemo_N900MohammadAG, when I click on the login button, nothing happens, it just clears the password field12:46
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MohammadAGthat's the login page Venemo_N900, I can't login via a GUI with OAuth12:47
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, it should log you in and redirect you back to the application...12:47
Venemo_N900MohammadAG, mhm12:47
MohammadAG(after you give it permission)12:47
MohammadAGlemme paste you the auth link so you can do that in microB, though it works fine for me12:48
Venemo_N900MohammadAG, why doesn't it accept my password?12:48
MohammadAGno idea, that's facebook's page not mine12:48
MohammadAGthe app doesn't know of your username or password12:48
MohammadAGonly the token facebook returns12:48
Venemo_N900maybe because I have special chars in it12:48
Venemo_N900MohammadAG, what's "OAuth"?12:49
MohammadAGThe new standard for web API logins12:49
MohammadAGtwitter uses it too (they had XAuth which means custom login GUIs, but they pulled the plug on it)12:49
Venemo_N900MohammadAG, do you want me to help out with it?12:50
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edheldilMohammadAG:  *A* new standard ... :-P13:17
edheldilalthough for API it really might be THE13:18
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cityLightsbad connection in my folks home13:41
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cityLightsI now seek help with thi FAQ : how to load my hildon-status widget without having to reboot the N900?13:42
SpeedEvilkill hildon13:42
SpeedEvilIf you mean to load a widget you've just installed13:42
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cityLightshi SpeedEvil, I change the /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/openvpn-applet.desktop13:44
robbiethe1stSpeedEvil: Know how to completely disable tracker-indexer?13:44
robbiethe1stI forget how13:44
cityLightsment to say: /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/MYAPP.desktop13:44
chem|strobbiethe1st: isn't it dsme?13:45
SpeedEvilrobbiethe1st: you can configure it to do nothing in the configuration file.13:46
cityLightshi chem|st , can I also see you this weekend?13:46
SpeedEvilcityLights: yeah - I think all existing ones kjust kill it. Look at other applet installs.13:46
SpeedEvilcityLights: you can tell by the decoration going away for a moment befroe it restarts13:46
cityLightsI am looking at openvpn-applet13:46
cityLightsdont see a kill line13:46
cityLightsbeing new to UI...13:47
MohammadAGhildon-status-menu watches the desktop directory AND each desktop file13:47
MohammadAGif you open and close a desktop file, the applet is reloaded13:47
cityLightshi Mohammad13:47
MohammadAGno need to keep on killing hsm13:47
MohammadAGhey cityLights13:47
cityLightsI changed the .desktop file a few times, yet only after a reboot, it picked up my changes13:48
cityLightsand this took me lots of hours to figure out. as it is not mentioned in the wiki13:48
robbiethe1st...That explains it. So, out of the blue, tracker-indexer went crazy. I waited, no avail. Finally, I tried killing it with dsme and didn't get the command right, typed "pidof tracker-indexer" and the system rebooted! Went into backupmenu, ran fsck and... errors.13:49
cityLightsanyone here from goldendelicius ?13:49
cityLightssome openmoko firm - i guess13:50
cityLightsi am using google street view now to get to now munchen13:50
cityLightsIt prooves hard for a non german speeker to find the nokia repair center to fix my N80013:51
cityLightsmay any of you can help with German/13:51
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cityLightsGonzoTheGreat: where can I find a Nokia repair center in Munich?13:54
cityLightscan I fix me N800 there?13:54
cityLightswhat number to call?13:54
cityLights(hope they speak english)13:54
cityLightspgrep -l hildon ... ok I see two pid for hildon-status-m13:55
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GonzoTheGreatAh ok. I thought you need help with german. Since I am in Sydney local help is a bit harder.13:55
cityLightsMohammadAG: need I kill them? will they be reborn13:55
cityLightsI know you told me NOT to kill them13:56
chem|stcityLights: Tel. 089 - 5450534213:56
MohammadAGthere's no need to kill them13:56
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cityLightsMohammadAG: when I change a .desktop file it doesnt show up , only after a reboot13:56
cityLightschem|st: no answer....13:58
MohammadAGcityLights, it should, not sure about python applets but it works fine for me13:58
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cityLightsin case it doesnt can I kill hsm and reload it?14:00
GonzoTheGreatI went through hildon code and docs and still can't figure out how to place a (Qt) window above the task manager. So close to creating a custom lock screen....14:01
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jhbhi *, it seems to me that smartreflex seemed to work better on power46 then power47 (bq27x00_battery is blacklisted). I'd like to downgrade to power46, but whenever I want to install hostmode-gui it goes back to power47. Any hints on how to go back to 46?14:05
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psycho_oreosyou might want to have a look at the differences as to why hostmode-gui requires power47 rather than power4614:07
psycho_oreosthere's ways to force it but that could also bring nasty side-effects14:07
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GonzoTheGreatif you havd an earlier version of hostmode-gui that depends on power46 you can 'apt-get install hostmode-gui=thatversion14:08
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psycho_oreosrather, the correct version14:09
GonzoTheGreatof course if that depends on something else then you can get into dependency hell :)14:10
psycho_oreosotherwise you could probably just dpkg -i if you have the debs but *shrugs* it doesn't hurt to be extra cautious14:10
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jhbGonzoTheGreat, psycho_oreos: thanks for hints. The only dependency I see is that hostmode-gui required kernel-feature-usbhost, and thats provided by kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo46 as well14:10
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MohammadAG<cityLights> in case it doesnt can I kill hsm and reload it?14:21
MohammadAG<cityLights> how?14:21
MohammadAGkillall hildon-status-menu14:21
cityLightsas I planed, and how to reload it?14:22
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DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: it doesn't (h-e-n req 47)14:24
DocScrutinizeractually h-e-n depends on provides=usb-hostmode or sth like that, that's all14:25
DocScrutinizerahh required kernel-feature-usbhost14:25
DocScrutinizerand blacklisting of bq27200.ko is a sane thing, as it breaks bme14:27
DocScrutinizersmartreflex never worked14:27
DocScrutinizerand quite probably is rather useless anyway14:27
jhbDocScrutinizer: thats what I am trying to find out - I thing (not 100% sure) that after doing smartreflex my idle power consumption was only 50% of what is normally (by looking at batterygraph)14:28
DocScrutinizeraiui it's just enabling a sw-independent way the CPU can control the twl5030 regulators14:28
infobotjhb meant: DocScrutinizer: thats what I am trying to find out - I think (not 100% sure) that after doing smartreflex my idle power consumption was only 50% of what is normally (by looking at batterygraph)14:28
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DocScrutinizerbut CPU can *always* control twl5030 regulators via sw - and does14:29
DocScrutinizerand batterygraph afaik is a broken-by-design app14:29
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DocScrutinizerthat mainly does one thing: monitor own rape of battery14:30
fluxhow about batteryeye?14:30
DocScrutinizerrhere's exactly ONE tool to get semi-decent figures for energy consumption (if you know to read the output): bq27200.sh14:31
fluxwell, it isn't pretty.14:31
DocScrutinizerwell, it isn't refreshing silly gfx 20/s ;-P14:32
fluxand you mentioned blacklisting bq27200 is a sane thing to do, but doesn't that script depend on that module?14:32
DocScrutinizernope, definitely not14:32
fluxmost of the time I'm not looking at batteryeye, rather the graphs it has collected14:32
DocScrutinizerI designed it to use I2Ctools which don't neede and even conflict with that driver14:32
flux(I mean, it collects them periodically on the background, and I use it for short periods as a viewer)14:33
fluxshould get integrated into batteryeye then ;)14:33
jhbDocScrutinizer: wasn't aware of, will give it a go14:34
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DocScrutinizerNB the conditional clause of my statement some lines up! it's not trivial to interpret the output correctly in all parts of it14:37
DocScrutinizergenerally what you get for current is the average of last complete 5s probing window14:37
DocScrutinizerwhat you get for voltage is realtime14:38
DocScrutinizerwhat you get for battery capacity is sometimes complete BS when CI=114:38
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DocScrutinizerall the other values (TTE etc) depend on battery capacity so if that's wrong they are as well14:39
DocScrutinizervoltage and current however are pretty accurate14:39
DocScrutinizerfor the other values some common sense is needed14:40
chem|stDocScrutinizer: still can't get it to CI=014:40
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: fully charge and then discharge battery, so it can complete a learning cycle14:42
DocScrutinizererr, charge, discharge, charge?14:42
chem|stlet it die twice already14:42
chem|stall what happened was that the learning since changed to 014:43
DocScrutinizerif you got logs of 60 >log.txt - I'll have a look14:43
DocScrutinizermaybe sth is invalidating your learning cycle14:43
DocScrutinizeryou might want to read the bq27x00 datasheet14:44
DocScrutinizerit's really nontrivila14:44
chem|stI am at cycle 21 now... yesterday the battery was ~10% and I charged without further look, 10mins later got the green led showing already...14:46
DocScrutinizercan't comment without full log14:46
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DocScrutinizergimme a foll log of a learning cycle and I'll tell you what happened14:47
robbiethe1stHey guys, anyone know the correct options to format the optfs?14:49
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: sometimes you need to disable bme, it seems14:49
DocScrutinizerto keep it from shutting down prematurely14:49
* DocScrutinizer mumbles "to format, to format"14:50
DocScrutinizerany options needed?14:50
ruskiemkfs.ext2 ? or ext3...14:51
DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: I guess you can get the actual parameters of that fs with ... e2fstune or whatever it's called14:52
robbiethe1stIt's ext3?14:53
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robbiethe1stOk, that's probably my problem14:53
DocScrutinizeraccording to my "mount" it is14:53
robbiethe1stformatted it to ext214:53
DocScrutinizere2fstune can easily convert ;-)14:53
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chem|strobbiethe1st: journal on and ready it is...14:59
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robbiethe1stThanks, if this doesn't work I'll see what's different15:00
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robbiethe1st*phew*... I'm glad I didn't change much in the last month...15:04
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robbiethe1st(Used a month-old optfs image with the current rootfs image)15:05
DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: btw did I mention backupmenu is one of the most useful apps ever? Thanks!15:07
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robbiethe1st:P I have to say, even if /noone/ else used it, I'd still have been worth my time.15:08
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cityLightswell, I need help with hildon status menu15:08
robbiethe1stI'm off. Thanks all.15:08
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DocScrutinizercityLights: ask MohammadAG - he's expert of status menu15:09
cityLightswhen I add my .desktop and openvpn-applet.desktop - my ui is missing15:09
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cityLightsbut when I remove the openvpn-applet.desktop - my ui shows fine15:10
DocScrutinizermissing where?15:10
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DocScrutinizermissing what?15:10
DocScrutinizerwhat's "my ui"?15:10
cityLightsMohammadAG: any idea why my ui is missing when openvpn-applet.desktop is there?15:11
DocScrutinizerthere are apps with UI that shows up when you start the app in applauncher15:11
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DocScrutinizerand then there are button (sldiers, whatnot) in status menu15:11
cityLightsDocScrutinizer: no button with my application name appears in the menu15:11
DocScrutinizerok, that'S a proper description15:11
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DocScrutinizercan't see any reason why the button vanishes when there's a *.desktop in */applications/hildon/15:12
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG might know15:13
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MohammadAGcityLights, I'm not sure you can load a .py file directly15:15
MohammadAGsee advanced-power-monitor, it's in python15:15
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cityLightsI see the same desktop content as in the wiki:15:21
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cityLightsMohammadAG: in advanced-power-monitor-0.5.3 there is no .desktop file15:32
cityLightsis this correct?15:32
MohammadAGadvanced-power - Battery (percentage, time left active, time left idle) status menu plugin15:33
MohammadAG-monitor is the backend, sorry15:33
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cityLightsAdvanced Power 0.4.2-4 is dependend on  advanced-power-common and advanced-power-monitor15:40
cityLightsboth of them dont have .desktop files15:40
cityLightsI was looking in to openvpn-applet which is also python made15:41
cityLightsmust go , pls replay here15:41
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nusseis there a way to start a python status plugin as its own process?15:51
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Venemonusse, unlikely15:54
nussefor home plugins its working fine15:55
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Venemoyo DocScrutinizer16:05
Venemonusse, home plugins are different. every X window that has the necessary X property is displayed as a homescreen widget. for the status menu, I think it's different16:06
VenemoDocScrutinizer, I'd like to hear your perspective about a matter that has been troubling me16:06
DocScrutinizerwhile I go prepare me a coffee :-)16:07
VenemoI mean, last time I checked, Javascript was a braindamaged, webby language which everyone hated16:07
Venemonow both the Gnome guys promote it (or rather, their "GJS" implementation of it), and also the Qt guys promote it ("QML" is javascript)16:08
Venemowhat's wrong with the world?16:08
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* DocScrutinizer programs and starts "deep thought"16:10
DocScrutinizerbut I guess we already know the answer: 4216:10
VenemoDocScrutinizer, sure, but what portion of 42 answers the matter of javascript?16:11
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LinuxCodeDocScrutinizer, Guru Meditation error16:11
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DocScrutinizerI think it's the consequent conclusion from the fact that those nerds love to cal themselves "web programmers" while they actually are designers with a cloudy idea of html, who eventually read a book about how to implement "nifty shiny eyecandy by using JS"16:16
* chem|st wonders why "deep thought 2.0" calculates 42.133716:16
chem|stDocScrutinizer: and never knew that CSS is faster but uses more bandwidth16:17
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: see VBA and its absolutely screwed concept of *translating function names* - same mindset basically16:19
DocScrutinizerhell that's been funny when you never knew whether your "," will be printed as "," or as "." or will just cause an exception16:22
DocScrutinizersame with parameter separation that one time been "a, b, c" and then "a; b; c" iirc16:23
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DocScrutinizerI had a LOT of fun with these when I wrote XMLMaker for excel16:25
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MohammadAGwhich is best? MD4/MD5/SHA1?16:30
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DocScrutinizer  <-this XMLMaker (there are lots of others around now ;-D )16:34
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* RST38h yawns16:37
RST38hAny news?16:37
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RST38hHTC Holiday comes with a 4.5" qHD display with 960 x 540 pixel resolution and boasts of a 1.2 GHz dual core MSM8660 chipset from Qualcomm. It has a 1 GB RAM and 8 MP camera.16:38
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chem|stwhat about an Espoo NSeries Party in terms of Boston Tea Party if nokia brings no developer device after next16:40
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RST38hchem|st: You want to get rid of your N900 in such a ghastly way?16:41
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chem|stno the devel devices not suiting devel16:43
chem|stso developers deny use of those16:43
DocScrutinizerchem|st: please elaborate16:44
dangergrrlyou know installing the maemo sdks is a pita16:44
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dangergrrli've been at it for a week with my 1995 internet16:44
dangergrrlnever underestimate the evil sensibilities of a german held isp16:46
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dangergrrlatt would just charge me by the bit for my sdk16:46
chem|stDocScrutinizer: when devel peops would stick together they/we could obtain preasure on nokia, for some reason nokia thinks "the community will handle it" and actualy we do instead of denying to adopt new garbage they come up with16:47
DocScrutinizerhmm, while I sympathise with the general notion, I'm lost on the relation to any recent example16:48
dangergrrlit kinda sucks that nokia figured out hackers will buy it even if they don't support it :P16:48
chem|stno recent, I am talking futurative16:48
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luke-jrMohammadAG: why do you want an insecure algo?16:49
DocScrutinizerlike meego harmattan bastard?16:49
chem|stthey want to sell capacitive screens to us... without keyboard16:49
DocScrutinizersure, BS16:49
dangergrrli like my resistive screen16:49
chem|stand my keyboard16:49
DocScrutinizerwho doesn't?16:49
dangergrrlit works when i have motorcycle gloves on16:49
dangergrrlsome people like capacitive16:50
chem|stfor what reason16:50
DocScrutinizerthose are rather narrow on their thinking16:50
chem|stI have a capa touchpad on my laptop and it sucks16:50
dangergrrltry using capa with motorcycle gloves on :P16:51
DocScrutinizermultitouch is no inherent exclusive feature of c-ts, though everybody seems to think that16:51
chem|stit is so unprecise that apart from gaming or ar-drone control I have no further use16:51
chem|stDocScrutinizer: there is new thinfilm technology for MT resistive16:52
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dangergrrli remember the plato iv touchscreens16:53
dangergrrlyou could see the wires between two plastic sheets crisscrossing the screen16:53
DocScrutinizerthere are those critters:
dangergrrlplato iv was pretty incredible for 1970s tech16:54
cehteh"11 finger pan" :)16:55
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cehtehhildon makes no use of pressure sensitiy right?16:56
chem|stthe statement that the screen isnt precise enough to show how precise the actual touchscreen is... is the best!16:56
cehtehonly mypaint does16:56
DocScrutinizer...and if Nokia was serious about community involvement - rather then doing this useless mynokiaphone "select screensize of your fav phone: 3.0" / 3.8" shit - they would listen and then tell if there are chances to get a stantum r-ts mt on next device, if no then why not17:00
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dangergrrlmt would be nice17:04
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dangergrrli want it to still work with gloves :)17:04
DocScrutinizermt is overrated17:04
dangergrrllike i said working with gloves is more important to me17:04
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DocScrutinizerand worth nuttin without proper integration into the whole OS and UI-style guidelines17:05
cehtehDocScrutinizer: ack17:05
cehtehthis loose glued together all throught maemo somehow sux17:05
dangergrrlso, is cortex A9 gonna be the next handset?17:05
chem|sthad a hard laugh when I first tried the meego-netbookUX, was like "you need a touchscreen to use it"17:06
dangergrrllooks like nokia won't make it for us17:06
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SpeedEvilI want proper multitouch.17:08
DocScrutinizerbtw 1:53 cool stuff :-D17:08
SpeedEvilSo it can do fingerprints.17:08
dangergrrli'm glad i don't have clearance to anything17:09
dangergrrlno cutting my fingers off to unlock doors17:09
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cehtehyeah you remember passwords .. so sorry, we have to disect your brain :P17:12
DocScrutinizeralso there are way smarter technologies than mt r-ts nowadays, each with their own pros and cons. SpeedEvil knows a lot about it17:14
DocScrutinizere.g surface wave17:14
DocScrutinizerobviously is an "active" method, so will eat "lots" of energy while sensing17:15
chem|stcould build a stereoscopic cam in it (~5000€) and get gesture recognition working...17:17
cehtehDocScrutinizer: smarter != mature .. there are a lot new technologies which are not proven in the field yet, i dont trust them yet17:18
cehtehthe n900 touchscreen is great, but its software handling could be better ..17:19
cehtehmultitouch would be nice tough .. if only 2 or 3 fingers17:20
RST38hon screen virtual joypads!17:20
edheldilthere was some video about fake MT17:20
* RST38h wants 4.5"-5" screen though17:20
chem|stRST38h: so 2 fingers for you17:20
RST38hchemist: 417:21
cehtehyou can do a lot with pressure sensitivity if done right17:21
RST38hchemist: a diagonal direction + fire + bomb17:21
chem|stRST38h: ? holding it upside down or what?17:21
edheldilset up the bomb17:21
RST38hcehteh: Can't do shit on the N900, due to its pressure readings being wrong17:21
SpeedEvilFirebomb who is the question.17:21
RST38hchem|st: Sitting on it!17:21
SpeedEvilPressure is really teh wrong term.17:21
SpeedEvilIt's an integrated conductivity measurement.17:21
cehtehRST38h: yes that what i saied, its software/driver sux .. should be done better17:21
DocScrutinizerit's more like area of touch17:22
chem|stvibration on!17:22
SpeedEvilWhich is related to pressure in only the loosest way.17:22
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SpeedEvilIt's sort of area * fn(pressure)17:22
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cehtehDocScrutinizer: area not .. you can do that with a sharp pen too17:22
cehtehyes it integrates all17:22
DocScrutinizera sharp pen is barely pressure sensitive17:22
cehtehworks somewhat17:23
DocScrutinizerthe hw driver is checking the cunductivity from one plane to the other17:23
cehtehhow do resistive displays work? scanning lines?17:23
DocScrutinizerfor a pinpoint contact that's rather defined independently of pressure17:23
SpeedEvilcehteh: There are two resistive planes.17:24
cehtehah ok17:24
SpeedEvilcehteh: These have conductive electrodes down the X axis for one, and the Y for the other.17:24
cehtehyes got it now17:24
SpeedEvilcehteh: measuring the resistance between X1 and Y2 and Y1 give you X position17:24
SpeedEvilsimilarly for Y17:24
RST38hcehteh: N900 pressure readings are bad because of the hw issues17:25
SpeedEvilrather - applying a voltage across X1 and X2, and measuring voltage out at Y117:25
RST38hcehteh: Mechanical even - the hard screen cover tends to distribute pressure over a bigger area17:25
DocScrutinizeryou apply plus to x-up and - to x-down, and check the voltage at Y-*17:25
cehtehyes sure17:25
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DocScrutinizerthen you swap x vs y17:26
* cehteh thinks about 3 planes in 60° angle .. multitouch voila 17:26
cehtehwll gtg really now bbl17:26
DocScrutinizerwell, there are other designs of r-ts than the obove sketched 4-wire17:27
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DocScrutinizerlike 5 wire, which has a contact in each corner of one plane, and only one contact to other plane17:27
SpeedEvilcehteh: IT's two planes that touch each other when pressed. 3 planes is technically impossible.17:27
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DocScrutinizerif only for translucency17:28
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DocScrutinizera rather cool design would use pulse response. (C) J. Reisenweber17:30
dangergrrlit's an M.E.'s job :P17:30
DocScrutinizeras those 2 planes are a nice sufficiently complex "coaxial" system17:31
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dangergrrlthey give stuff to the EE17:31
dangergrrlhe builds something broken17:31
DocScrutinizerwith all properties of such a system (read: 50Ohm RG55 tin ethernet coax cable)17:31
dangergrrlthen they expect the software folks to work around it17:32
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DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: actually it's usually the other way round: EE builds nice stuff, but SW doesn't care to ask how to use it properly17:32
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dangergrrlyou must have worked different jobs from me17:33
dangergrrlthey always gave me broken toys17:33
DocScrutinizerthen when it sucks, the EE are the ones to take the flames17:33
dangergrrland expected me to make them work anyway17:33
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DocScrutinizeryou can watch that effect all over meego-arm17:34
dangergrrlstarting with the FDC on the TEI S-100 my high school principal had17:35
dangergrrlit would boot17:35
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DocScrutinizer"EEEW, N900 *SUCKS* on power usage!!1!1!11eleven!"17:35
dangergrrlif you set a breakpoint in the floop initialization code17:35
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RST38hdangergrrl: 8272 or 1793?17:36
dangergrrlwhoever wrote the boot code needed a delay loop17:36
DocScrutinizerseeeee?? SW sucks17:36
dangergrrlwell, i got out of class for weeks17:37
DocScrutinizerI *bet* the EE knew and documented there is a mandatory delay17:37
dangergrrlspecial dispensation to the principal's office17:37
dangergrrlmay well have17:37
dangergrrlyou had to set a breakpoint with the toggle switches17:37
DocScrutinizerit's really always like this17:38
RST38hDoc: FDCs are like that, a lot of their timings are mechanics related. Not controller's fault.17:38
DocScrutinizerEE usually know their shit, just SW devels don't care, as they think hw has to work the way they expect it to17:38
dangergrrlsomeone's secretary mistyped 100ms as 1ms17:38
dangergrrlthis was a computer designed in 197717:39
dangergrrlnot sure if it had a fdc on a chip17:39
dangergrrli think it was a whole board17:39
dangergrrlmade by wd17:39
DocScrutinizerRST38h: I know, I tuned my Amiga1000 FD to use stepper rate *2 to give both better access times and lower noise17:40
dangergrrlwho also made the lsi-11 boards for DEC17:40
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dangergrrlDocScrutinizer: *some* documentation just plain lies17:40
dangergrrlboth hw and sw17:41
DocScrutinizeryep, and EE will detect it *usually*17:41
dangergrrli can usually tell when the docs are crap17:41
DocScrutinizeras experienced EE do their own test and PoC implementations17:42
dangergrrlbut that doesn't tell you what the truth is17:42
cityLightsMohammadAG: I took your advice and installed the advance power on my N90017:42
cityLightsI do see a .desktop belonging to the advance power pkg17:42
dangergrrlyou have a vacuum advance on your n900? :)17:42
DocScrutinizerthen they pass all that to SW and those nerds just say "meh, not my coding style, way too much cruft in there! I'll do it from scratch"17:43
cityLightsI think that I used too much of the openvpn code, thus cant run my program and openvpn applet17:43
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cityLightsbut I will examine advance power .py now17:43
cityLightscehteh: hi there17:44
dangergrrltry getting 4 serial ports running at 9600 baud on a 286 with intel uarts :P17:44
cityLightschem|st: well i called the number you gave me17:44
dangergrrlthose things are so broken17:44
cityLightsthey dont speek english...17:45
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DocScrutinizerintel UARTs were mere BS iirc17:45
cityLightsso I ask again17:45
cityLightsI am new to germany17:45
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cityLightsassume i have a broken N800 and only speak english - how can I fix it in munchen?17:45
DocScrutinizermuenchen :-D17:46
cityLightscan I take it to any 02 shop?17:46
DocScrutinizercall golden-delicious, ask for nickolaus17:46
cityLightsI preffer the german way of saying the name of the town17:46
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dangergrrldeutsche well has some good online german classes17:46
cityLights golden-delicious ? ok,,, google ....17:47
cityLightsjoin goldelico17:47
dangergrrli'm just dumb17:47
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dangergrrlcan only remember mein muttersprachen ist englitch and then my eyes get glassy17:48
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cityLightsI also need help in finding the advance monitor sources online - i did manage to install it fine18:00
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cityLights has no source files18:04
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cityLightsthank you very much18:15
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DocScrutinizerNB it's diablo, not fremantle18:19
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cityLightswhich is what I am looking for18:20
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DocScrutinizeractually I adore advanced power monitor on diablo, unequaled and missing on N90018:21
cityLightshow to see color in my editor while writing code on the N900?18:23
dangergrrlwhat's the cli thing that shows power info?18:24
DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: ?18:25
DocScrutinizeror powertop ?18:25
dangergrrlmaybe powertop18:25
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dangergrrlthat show how much power i'm getting from usb and whether i'm charging or losing?18:26
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DocScrutinizerpowertop mostly is about CPU load, wakeups, etc18:26
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DocScrutinizerthat's bq27200.sh18:26
mgedmincityLights, well, it depends on the editor you use18:26
mgedminI like vim -- and the maemo vim package has full support for :syntax on and other goodies18:27
dangergrrli thought there was something like that18:27
cityLightso ok18:27
dangergrrli have no idea which vi i have installed on maemo18:27
dangergrrli know i don't have emacs :(18:27
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DocScrutinizerprolly messybox-vi18:28
chem|stemacs wont be started ever on a system of mine - I prefer to boot it^^18:28
dangergrrlit works for what little i know of vi :)18:28
mgedminbusybox vi comes preinstalled18:28
mgedminit's... painful18:28
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils18:28
dangergrrldoes hjkl dw dd a i and C18:29
mgedmindoesn't do u, I think, which I find a bit limiting :)18:29
dangergrrli installed bash and /usr/bin/gnu stuff18:30
* mgedmin somehow doubts "system integrators" have a goal of "decent user interactive shell plus unix utils"18:30
mgedminnow if the n900 were developed and marketed in the 1970s...18:30
dangergrrli didn't install gcc even though the 'how to connect to freenode on n900 on tmobile' doc i found suggests so18:30
chem|stI miss manpages...18:30
dangergrrlman 1 man18:31
DocScrutinizerapt-get install mandb-n90018:31
dangergrrli need to manually get a deb file i think18:32
Sicelo_Ehrm, sorry , typo18:32
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DocScrutinizercoutesy MohammadAG whom I pesterd to do that pkg :-D18:32
edheldildangergrrl:  there's vim in repos too18:32
edheldilah, sorry18:32
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dangergrrli can't ssh to the n90018:34
dangergrrlit's a modem right now18:34
DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: gcc for connecting N900 to freenode, well THAT sounds *odd*18:34
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dangergrrlfreenode requires SASL auth on some ISPs18:34
dangergrrltmobile in particular18:35
dangergrrlthere is a C SASL plugin for xchat18:35
dangergrrlneed gcc to compile it18:35
DocScrutinizerstill I wonder where gcc comes in18:35
DocScrutinizertzztzz, compile on N900, how geeky18:35
dangergrrlyeah, he couldn't resist18:36
dangergrrlbecause he could18:36
DocScrutinizermust be a andridiot dude18:36
dangergrrllike one small .c file, likely doesn't take long even on n900 native18:36
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DocScrutinizerbut insatlling gcc will take a while18:37
dangergrrli've done embedded work18:37
dangergrrljust because the target can run gcc does not mean it's the best plan18:37
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edheldildangergrrl:  you should use "ed" as an editor to really reenact the experience then, should not you? :)18:38
dangergrrlgcc could well alloca the n900's whole address space in one call without even considering18:39
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dangergrrlmake love not war you turkey18:39
SpeedEvilIt worked for compiling the kernel for me. IIRC about an hour.18:39
dangergrrlactually my friend did do some native dev on n80018:40
DocScrutinizerkernel took way longer on my dualcore 1.6GHz pentium, in SB18:40
dangergrrlbut it's not preferable18:40
dangergrrlan hour sounds short18:41
lcukdepends what you are compiling and how many dependencies it has18:41
dangergrrli'm compiling something to post live gps tracks for me18:42
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dangergrrlhaven't decided what yet18:42
dangergrrleither a gpsjinni mod or mappero18:42
DocScrutinizero/ lcuk18:42
lcuk\o DocScrutinizer18:42
dangergrrlgpsjinni is probably smaller and easier to modify18:43
SpeedEvilOops - my bad - 3 hours, not one.18:44
DocScrutinizercheck out columbus18:44
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dangergrrlhaven't tried columbus18:45
* DocScrutinizer neither18:45
dangergrrlmappero is pretty nice but confusing for what i've tried to use it for18:45
chem|stdangergrrl: columbus has various outputs... BT ether serial et al18:45
DocScrutinizerI gather columbus started as a nice GPS frontend rather than a mapper app18:46
chem|stit is basically a mapless gps plotter for sailing... you got waypoints distances speed direction and so on18:47
dangergrrldefinately look at it then18:47
dangergrrlafter i spend days waiting for the sdk to install.....18:47
chem|stworks more like the garmin outdoor things without any maps18:48
dangergrrli have 50mb out of 150 of scratchbox-devkit-doctools18:48
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dangergrrlon a real internet connection i would be done in a minute or two18:49
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DocScrutinizer19.6K modem? ;-)18:49
dangergrrlgetting about 7.5kb/s so i think like 80k?18:50
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dangergrrldt i hate you, glad you're selling tmobile, but att is even worse18:52
chem|stall us providers are even worse18:54
chem|stapart from push-to-talk which is not available here we have a descent networkstructure and not so bad contracts18:55
chem|stcan tell stories about dt all day...18:56
dangergrrlverizon still sells unlimited18:56
dangergrrlbut it's cdma18:56
dangergrrland it ends in a week or so18:56
chem|stclaiming to be the most inovative country and beeing the most inovative country is a huge difference18:57
dangergrrltmobile sells "unlimited*" data18:57
Sicelo_usb-modeswitch is available for N900?18:57
dangergrrlwhich means the first 5gb is fast then you go at dialup speed18:58
chem|stthats what they do here to18:59
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dangergrrli would hate them less if they used QoS instead of rate limiting19:00
chem|stwho wouldn't19:01
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: most innovative? USA? LOL! USA is third world of telco19:01
dangergrrlQoS would serve the purpose of not letting heavy users degrade the network for others19:02
chem|stDocScrutinizer: 4th19:02
* Sicelo_ is thinking in terms of cdma... perhaps a cdma modem could be used with N90019:02
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chem|steven africa got better nets19:02
dangergrrlSicelo_: why would you want to?19:02
DocScrutinizerSicelo_: h-e-n is what you're looking for19:03
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dangergrrlyou know the usa has a national infrastructure goal for 2020 of having 99% availability of 4/1mbps dsl19:03
dangergrrlwhich would put us dead last19:04
Sicelo_true doc, :)19:04
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chem|st4/1... lol19:05
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JaffaMorning, all19:06
nid0in fairness, that's much better than the UK's goal19:06
chem|stgood morning19:06
nid0though it is 5 years longer19:06
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SpeedEvilI have 3/0.5 ATM19:06
DocScrutinizerSicelo_: but N900 can't power CDMA dongles19:06
SpeedEvilI could get 3/1 - if they would let me.19:06
dangergrrlprobably want a cradlepoint for that19:07
nid0im on 7.5/1 here, but I 2/0.25 is the uk's 2015 goal19:07
chem|stare we talking bits or bytes?19:07
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dangergrrlau is doing gigabit anywhere19:08
chem|st25/1mbits currently19:08
SpeedEvildangergrrl: Which you can use for 8 seconds before going over quota.19:08
chem|stwhat is a shame as the whole town is darkfibre!19:08
dangergrrlchatanooga tn has gigabit now19:08
dangergrrlfor $350/mo19:08
nid0god im looking forward to our fttc/ftth rollout here :\19:08
chem|stvoluntary project in the early millenium19:08
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chem|stcould get 100/6 for 40€/month or 32/2 for 20€19:10
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chem|stor gbit sync for 250€19:11
DocScrutinizerand 20km out the suburbs you can't get any DSL at all, still!19:11
chem|stthats not my fault19:12
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chem|stmost suburbs got cable allready19:12
DocScrutinizersure it is ;-D19:12
dangergrrlwell, the 4/1 plan is supposed to cover even people in alaska and wyoming where it's not profitable19:13
dangergrrlbut still19:13
chem|stI used to live in the far end of nowhere and there in the only street without cable...19:13
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dangergrrlthey could skip the whole state of wyoming and hit the 99% goal19:13
chem|stdoubt they got dsl yet but cable for sure19:13
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chem|stdangergrrl: don't forget kansas and mississippi19:14
DocScrutinizerhere in Germany the situation is: un cities everybody can get 16MB downstream, while at countryside we got a coverage of maybe 10..20%19:14
GAN900Live blog in #meegoconf starting in about 45 minutes.19:14
DocScrutinizerfor DSL19:14
DocScrutinizerheya \o/19:14
chem|styeah cable is about 35% afair19:14
dangergrrlchem|st: the whole state of wyoming is like 150k people19:14
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chem|stkorea got gbit everywhere19:15
dangergrrlpeople actually live in kansas and mississippi19:15
chem|stthought so^^19:15
chem|stbb lads and ladies19:16
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dangergrrlbest i've been able to get for DSL was 7/119:16
dangergrrlbut i got 6 ip adresses for only $15 extra19:17
ccookehmm... The droid 3 looks good. Wonder if maemo/mer/meego could be installed on it :-)19:19
ccooke(meego, probably)19:19
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viewerhow can i add the repo Diablo Extras-devel free i386?  or should i add the armel one for my n900?19:30
Necconce again pls vith more detail19:31
SpeedEvili386 is for desktops19:31
SpeedEvilwell - and laptops19:31
SpeedEvilyou should never have it enabled on your n90019:31
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DocScrutinizerand diablo won't work for N900 anyway19:43
LantiziaOK so I've scrapped my plans for an ext3 mmcblk0p1 (i.e. MyDocs)... it's insane, you need to replace two scripts just to get it to remount it after and even then they don't work19:44
LantiziaSo I'm thinking a buy real 32gb MicroSD card, ext3 it.. and maybe an nfs server on the n900 because I'll be sick of taking the back cover off...19:45
LantiziaOnly thing that annoys me about that is theres 27gb I'll barely use on the internal mmc.... grrrr19:45
Lantiziaso I'm left with either a) a loopback file that is ext3... crazy mofo idea - sloooooow.... or b) err... another additional partition on mmcblk0 and somehow pray filemanager/media-player sees it as an inserted microsd card?19:46
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LantiziaObjective: Use ext3 filesystem to to music files on instead of FAT as it can't handle like a shit load of unicode characters and symbols19:46
Lantizia*to load music19:47
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dm8tbrrepartitioning is not an option?19:47
Lantiziadm8tbr, depends - what are you repartitioning and in what way?19:47
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dm8tbrI'd try this: resize the MyDocs partition to be 500M or so and create a new partition behind it19:48
dm8tbr(that's what I did for other devices)19:48
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Lantiziadm8tbr, ok - I can do that dead easy... but what do I get from that?  will maemo apps even look at that partition like they look at MyDocs or an inserted MicroSD card for files?19:48
dm8tbrLantizia: I just thought you wanted something that's ext3 formatted. so what would you like to do with the ext3 formatted space then?19:49
Lantiziaput music, movies, documents, my data on it19:50
dm8tbralso this wouldn't have the 4GiB limitation of the loopmount ext3 on vfat19:50
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LantiziaFAT is not acceptable... my desktop systems are linux and I don't name my files avoiding "unacceptable" characters that FAT doesn't like - some are even unicode (like classical music has russian names with russian symbols)19:50
dm8tbryou can mount it somewhere on the mydocs partition or elsewhere where it's accessible?19:51
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dm8tbrI didn't suggest FAT, did I?19:51
Lantiziadm8tbr, there is no point in trying to replace MyDocs to be ext3, looked at that already - everything expects it to be fat19:51
Lantiziadm8tbr, no I'm just explaining why I can't use it19:51
dm8tbrlearn reading...19:51
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dm8tbrI didn't propose for mydocs to be ext3...19:52
Lantiziathen I don't understand what your proposing19:52
dm8tbrjust _one_ directory in there could be the mountpoint19:52
Lantiziaah I see where your going19:52
Lantiziadoesn't fstab get re-generated though on every boot up?19:53
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dm8tbrthat would be accessible by other applications but wouldn't break whatever expects the partition to be fat for mydocs19:53
dm8tbrI am not familiar with the boot process of the n90019:53
dm8tbrbut I'd expect it to have something like rc.local19:53
dm8tbralso note that this might break (to an extent) the USB-mass-storage feature19:54
Lantiziadm8tbr, probably won't, from what I know mmcblk0p1 is exported over USB like a block device19:54
Lantiziathe ext3 dir would be empty19:54
dm8tbrit wouldn't be exported as it can't unmount the fat partition until the ext3 partition is umounted...19:55
Lantizialol ah!19:55
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dm8tbrjust spinning some ideas here. you still have to find the one that suits your needs.19:56
Lantiziait looks like work has been done on making MyDocs ext3 on the bugtracker - not perfect though19:56
Lantiziathat'd be ideal - then I can just use the mass storage to put files on/off19:56
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RST38h"An HP exec says that his company's upcoming TouchPad will overtake the current tablet-market dominator, Apple's iPad."19:58
TomaszDunless it costs half of what the ipad costs and gets heavily marketed, he's delusional19:58
RST38hMeanwhile: "Chinese army develop first-person shooter game... with U.S. troops as the enemy"19:59
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pupnik_  your ssl may be broken20:05
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jacekowskipupnik_: that's BS20:08
jacekowskipupnik_: there are no timing attacks that can be executed in real life20:08
jacekowskiin any modern OS timing depends so many random things20:09
jacekowskithat you can't really get usefull information20:09
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Gyjfit says they did it20:10
Gyjfon localhost tho20:10
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pupnik_it's just a curious result20:10
pupnik_but good point jacekowski20:11
Gyjfbut still, it might lead to remote attacks20:11
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jacekowskiwell, so far only timing attack that succeded was attack on modified version of openssl20:11
jacekowskithat was modified to report all timing information20:11
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jacekowskirdtsc timing information to be precise20:11
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jacekowskiyou need precise amount of clock cycles20:13
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WizzupWhat are typically good places to start looking when the rootfs is full?20:14
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SpeedEvil /20:14
WizzupVery good20:14
SpeedEvilI don't remember - find works though20:15
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Gyjf/dev/random is usualy a bad place to look20:15
SpeedEvilWhat's the meego conf channel - I mislaid it20:15
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kerioGyjf: why not? you can find anything in there20:17
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Gyjfas they say; with a milion computers doing cat /dev/random and infinite time eventually it will come up with the complete works of Stallman20:19
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keriobut... he's not dead yet!20:23
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Gyjfwith an milion pcs and infite time you can tell the future :P20:27
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cityLightsMohammadAG: ok I compared the status menu code in advanced power its in the file maemo5.py20:30
cityLightsand it looks like the code I used20:30
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cityLightsMy problem is: when I put my program in /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/20:30
cityLightsand a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/20:31
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cityLightsI can see a button in the hildon status menu in my N90020:31
cityLightshowever when I add the .desktop file of the openvpn-applet , my button disappears20:32
cityLightsI have now idea why this happen20:32
cityLightshere is my UI code:
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arvutwhat's in ##overflow?20:47
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cityLightsmaybe any of the new members that joined can help me with maemo 5 status menu UI20:52
cityLightshere is my UI code:
cityLightswhen I add the .desktop file of the openvpn-applet , my button disappears20:53
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trumeeguys, anybody used sygic? i reflashed my device and dont know which is the latest version of sygic21:02
trumeeis it mobile-maps_8.1.2_armel.deb ?21:02
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WizzupNokia-N900:~# mount -t ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc121:13
Wizzuprmount: mounting /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 failed: Invalid argument21:13
WizzupAny ideas?21:13
Wizzup(I just did mkfs.ext3...)21:13
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kahlessWizzup: try reinsert your sdcard21:15
* Wizzup accidentilly the battery as well :) 21:17
kahlessoh :))21:17
Gyjfare you root?21:17
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WizzupStill the same. ugh21:18
WizzupWorst thing is it doesn't show errors in dmesg either21:18
Wizzupwuut. It's at the old fs still...21:20
Wizzupoh wow.21:20
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Wizzupwell that explains.21:20
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WizzupWow. Wait what. I just unmounted it; did mkfs.ext3 on it; I mount it again and the fs is still there.21:22
WizzupI'm lost.21:23
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nusseis there a guide how to package a python home applet?21:24
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Sicelo_shhh.. everyone... conference in progress21:29
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nusseif you find out, tell me21:34
nussethat damn alarm clock21:34
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Sicelo_guys.. most of the people who can help you are kinda occupied with SF MeggGoConf atm21:39
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infobotmsg from chanop: pupnik, please stay on topic and DO NOT INSULT OR GO XXX, this isn't #politics and (usually) a worksafe chan21:42
javispedrook, wtf.21:43
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pupnikhi javispedro21:44
pupniki sometimes get out of line :D21:44
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javispedrohello pupnik21:44
pupnikso what happened with the meego conference, did you go?21:45
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pupnikthe satanists took over skype and nokia21:45
javispedronope, sadly :(21:45
pupnikwell they're inside intel too21:46
pupnik'intel inside' is a nice joke21:46
pupniklike IX XI21:46
pupnikconnect the dots ;)21:47
javispedroseems that it is utterly impossible to find a freenode staffer21:47
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pupniki know some21:48
pupnikwhy do you need one21:49
javispedromy cloak is so outdated21:50
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pupnikhas your interest in free software expanded to the theory of freedom in a more general sense?21:51
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pupnikit necessarily includes understanding threats to data privacy21:52
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pupniktoo many people pretend they don't exist21:52
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merlin1991~seen X-Fade22:10
infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo (3d 8h 49m 46s) #meego (3d 8h 49m 46s), last said: 'lbt: first.last @ nokia.'.22:10
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khertan^^lol at the maemo topic : PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED, and keep clear of that shit! (22:21
RST38his Meego'suboot safe?22:21
merlin1991afaik yes22:22
dm8tbras long as you don't do power kernel stuff IIRC22:23
dm8tbruboot works fine with pr1.3 for me22:23
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cityLightsis there anyone avail to help with python gtk on hildon here?22:38
cityLightsi cant get a Ui simaler to openvpn-applet to work22:38
cityLightsis there a release date for the N9 yet?22:39
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cityLightshi lardman22:54
cityLightsare you in SF?22:54
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lardmancityLights: hi, no I'm afraid not23:02
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cityLightsare you still in the open source sceane?23:02
lardmanyes, though I've not done much for a few months23:03
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JaffaGAN900: Issue published23:03
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cityLightsare you in germany - by any chance?23:03
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lardmanno, England23:03
lardmanwhy's that?23:04
cityLightswish someone here could help me with the UI23:04
cityLightsI am at munich this weekend23:04
cityLightswas hoping to meet ppl23:05
cityLightsimport ppl23:05
lardmanah ok, sorry23:05
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cityLightshrw, disappeared23:05
lardmanyeah I've not seen him in a while I agree23:06
DocScrutinizeruboot works great with powerkernel for me23:06
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: ^^^23:06
cehtehcityLights: when do you arrive in karlsruhe?23:09
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cehtehhehe 20:00 is KaLUG meeting ..23:10
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cehtehsee you for dinner there then :P23:10
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cityLightswill it be interesting for me?23:10
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cityLightsI hope to meet my family when arriving23:10
cityLightsand solve this ui issue23:11
cehtehthere are few n900 owners .. christop who programmed the gui for monav23:11
cehtehsome OSM people23:11
cehtehand after all a lot nice linux geeks23:11
cehtehdo you speak german?23:11
cityLightsI understand little23:11
cityLightsgot an address?23:12
cityLightsfor  KaLUG meeting23:12
cehtehmeeting at a restaurant .. "Wacht am Rhein" .. very central in the city23:12
cehtehwant coordinates? :)23:13
cityLightsYES pls23:13
cehtehwell its described on kalug.de23:13
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: ah nice to know!23:14
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: I only remembered there was some episode initially :)23:14
lardmanI hope that is indeed am not in23:14
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lardmanwith Rhein following of course23:15
DocScrutinizerlardman: ??23:15
lardmanwatching in the Rhein sounds less pleasant23:16
cehtehhehe Wacht old name for toll-station23:16
lardmanah I see the meaning now23:17
cehtehthe owner formerly (years ago) had a restaurant close to the rhine river outside of the city23:17
cehtehthey moved into the city but retained the name23:17
DocScrutinizerfunny enough here in N we got all the same23:17
DocScrutinizerexcept any Rhein nearby23:17
cehtehah ok :)23:18
cityLightsvery well23:18
cehtehyou are in N center?23:18
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cityLightsI am going to dearm now23:18
cehteha friend of me lives in Roth23:18
cityLightshope to catch you all tommorow23:18
cityLightshave a good night23:19
cehtehits long time overdue that we meet there to do some spirits black burning .. maybe we can once meet for a beer :P23:19
lardmannight cityLights23:19
cehteh(or a mikl, coke or whatever)23:19
cityLightsbye lardman23:19
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cehtehanyone coming to FrOSCon btw? .. i just added our  project submission so i will be definitively there23:20
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cityLights~seen mikkov23:21
infobotmikkov is currently on #maemo (4d 10h 35m 13s) #meego (4d 10h 35m 13s), last said: ''.23:22
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mikkovi am here23:22
cityLightshi there23:22
cityLightslisten I really need your help with hildon UI23:22
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cityLightsI asked here since the morning and no one helped23:23
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cityLightswell MohammadAG helped but I need more23:23
mikkovabout what?23:23
cityLightsI am writing a new program to silent the phone when in a meeting23:23
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cityLightsI used your code to see how to write the hildon status menu UI23:24
lcukcityLights, I thought n900 had a silent mode already?23:24
lcukjust tap power button and select "Silent"23:24
cityLightsand I see a button in my N900 with the name I gave it23:24
cityLightsif I add YOUR openvpn-applet - my button disappears23:25
lcukin the status menu, it is selectable by clicking "Profile"23:25
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cityLightsluck - I want the phone to do it by itself23:25
mikkovcityLights: you are probably registering your applet with openvpn-applet name23:26
cityLightslcuk - the calender allready shows I am in a meeting23:26
cityLightsyes, I tought this may happen23:26
cityLightswhere can I see this?23:26
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cityLightsthis is my code:
cityLightsI am so glad mikkov is around23:27
cityLightsI wasted a lot of time trying to figure this issue out23:27
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cityLightsmost of the openvpn-applet code is easy to follow23:27
mikkovcheck the .desktop file23:28
cityLightscan it be line 132: obj =, plugin_id="plugin_id")23:29
mikkovI need to check things a little bit, since I forgot how things work23:29
cityLightsmin pasteing it23:29
cityLightsyou are very kind23:29
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mikkovdifficult to give an answer, actually23:39
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cityLightsI tried : obj =, plugin_id="switch")23:40
cityLightsgot the same issue23:40
mikkovthat code is inactive when run as plugin23:40
mikkovI don't know if it works otherwise either23:40
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cityLightscan you see any line similer to your code , that can cause overlap?23:41
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mikkovwhat is your main class called?23:42
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ShadowJKWhat's this about qgil's talk getting rejected? What was it going to be out?23:43
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rm_workShadowJK: what? isn't qgil allowed to talk about anything he damn well pleases? :P23:45
mikkovcityLights: not really23:45
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RST38hAre there any talks from Nokians at this conference???23:46
cityLightsmikkov: what? pls explain23:47
ShadowJKtimeless, but is he ex-? :)23:47
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mikkovanswering to this cityLights: can you see any line similer to your code , that can cause overlap? :)23:47
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mikkovthere could be bug in openvpn-applet or even in hildon-desktop-python-loader23:48
cityLightseven if I remove the if __name__ == "__main__": line23:49
cityLightsi get the same problem23:49
cityLightsso even if I register with a new plugin_id="switch"23:49
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mikkovthat code should be removed, it has no function23:50
cityLightsyet advance power looks fine...23:50
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mikkovhere is the documentation
cityLightsadvance power also uses python and hildon-status-menu23:51
cityLightsya I know mikkov, yet it doesnt work23:51
cityLightscan you please test?23:52
cityLightsI pasted both files23:52
cityLightsand /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/switchProfByMeeting.py23:53
cityLightsdo you see the same issue on your N900?23:53
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pupnik22:57 -!- #zoneminder Cannot send to channel23:58
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