IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-04-25

sms_Damit00:00
sms_USB device found found at bus 001, device address 006.00:00
sms_Found device RX-51, hardware revision 220400:00
sms_NOLO version 1.4.1400:00
sms_Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR000:00
sms_Booting device into flash mode.00:00
sms_Suitable USB device not found, waiting.00:00
sms_Booting device into flash mode. --> multiboot screen..00:00
ShadowJK1) disconnect N900. 2) remove battery from n900: 3) Start flashing utility on PC. 4) Connect N900 to PC. 5) Insert battery00:01
ShadowJKDid you do that?00:01
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sms_yes00:02
sms_->nokia loop00:02
sms_hold u?00:02
ShadowJKneed more power, I guess :)00:02
sms_: |00:03
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sms_Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB00:03
sms_Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA00:03
sms_Suitable USB device not found, waiting.00:03
sms_->00:03
sms_USB device found found at bus 001, device address 018.00:03
sms_Found device RX-51, hardware revision 220400:03
sms_NOLO version 1.4.1400:03
sms_Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR000:03
sms_Booting device into flash mode.00:04
sms_Suitable USB device not found, waiting.00:04
sms_->nokia loopping w/ the usb icon00:04
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nox-http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=56327babd89c1d6758177c3ff3f0835f&p=906515#post90651500:04
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nox-i saved that link once...00:05
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sms_if I hold u-> multiboot00:05
sms_hmm00:05
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sms_should override multiboot.00:07
sms_Or just press 0.00:07
sms_how do I press 000:07
sms_shit + 0?00:07
nox-maybe00:07
nox-well, shift :)00:08
sms_lol00:08
nox-:)00:08
sms_No it just went to multiboot : |00:09
sms_this is messe up :(00:09
nox-then try the override it mentions00:10
nox-the one using the flasher i mean00:10
sms_when do I input that00:10
nox-on the box with the flasher00:10
nox-pc00:10
sms_sms@Agile:~/Desktop/flash$ sudo ./flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l --boot="init=/sbin/preinit_orig ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6"00:11
sms_flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009)00:11
sms_zImage: No such file or directory00:11
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nox-hm guess it needs a kernel image...00:12
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DocScrutinizerwhat will you do after you booted the system with the flasher-provided kernel of zImage?00:12
DocScrutinizeryou *could* charge battery this way I guess00:13
DocScrutinizerbut that's all00:13
nox-apparently he removed multiboot then00:13
nox-the guy that posted00:13
sms_what's going on :(00:13
DocScrutinizerflashing still needs NOLO, and NOLO shouldn't start multiboot when entering flashing mode00:13
nox-hm why does it for him?00:14
DocScrutinizernox-: the problem probaly isn't multiboot itself00:14
nox-hm00:14
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sms_Nokia screen with usb icon-->00:15
sms_sms@Agile:~/Desktop/flash$ sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F ./vanilla.bin -fflasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009)00:15
sms_Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB00:15
sms_Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA00:15
sms_USB device found found at bus 001, device address 057.00:15
sms_Found device RX-51, hardware revision 220400:15
sms_NOLO version 1.4.1400:15
sms_Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR000:15
sms_Booting device into flash mode.00:15
DocScrutinizerhonestly if you've got problems *flashing* rootfs, then a booted device won't help you much00:15
sms_Suitable USB device not found, waiting.00:15
sms_------>multiboot screen on nokia00:15
nox-or maybe it still thinks the voltage is too low?00:16
DocScrutinizermhm, yeah, we had that before. Dunno what's been the fix back when00:16
DocScrutinizerquite possibly, yes00:16
nox-so he could boot a kernel to charge at least?00:16
DocScrutinizeralso don't forget to occasionally boot your *PC*00:16
nox-heh00:17
DocScrutinizerand make sure there's no phonet, and cdc_* modules loaded00:17
nox-ah yeah00:17
sms_uhh, me?00:17
DocScrutinizersure00:18
DocScrutinizerubuntu I guess00:18
sms_yes00:18
DocScrutinizer:nod:00:18
DocScrutinizer64bit even?00:18
sms_yeah00:18
DocScrutinizer:nod:00:18
DocScrutinizerfeels like 'been there' seen that'00:19
sms_It's a great feeling I'm sure00:19
DocScrutinizernot really00:19
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DocScrutinizeras I'm missing a proper keyword to search for that even in the chanlog00:19
DocScrutinizerevenT*00:20
sms_So should I try this on a 32bit mint linux?00:20
DocScrutinizeryeah!00:20
sms_Well I'll go and do just that00:20
DocScrutinizeraaah, now I at least have a few topics to search: this guy used a script that did both flashes for him, COMBINED _and_ VANILLA00:22
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DocScrutinizercan't recall if he got it fixed at all00:23
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sms_well it didn't go to multiboot00:23
sms_just a nokia loop00:23
DocScrutinizerdamn, what's up with infobot00:24
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* GeneralAntilles slow claps for Nokia. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=991044#post99104400:27
ruskiewth is Sygic Aura?00:31
sms_Hell whatever I'll just make my friend this poopoo to nokia00:32
sms_Thank you for your time none the less00:33
sms_:)00:33
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rtylerI kind of wish I could convert this crappy Android tablet (Flytouch 2) to a Maemo tablet like an oversized n900 :D04:25
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pupnik_aerial war drones now to be deployed over US cities.  hah hah hah04:54
pupnik_rtyler: hows the flytouch - what cpu04:54
rtylerCPU: Infotmic X210 ARM11 @ 800MH04:56
rtylerAFAIK04:56
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rtylerpupnik_: unfortunately, if there's not a pre-made image for the device, I don't think I have the time or ability to hack on it :(04:59
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pupnik_rtyler: meh .. always the case, you're the only guy in the world, it seems like05:17
pupnik_hildon-desktop taking 6-7% cpu again05:17
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pupnik_idle current up 40mA05:18
rtylerheh05:18
rtylerpupnik_: unfortunately, I had an n900 before an Android device, and I prefer the Maemo experience to this Android garbage05:18
pupnik_me too05:18
pupnik_got an android tablet - it gets used to play movies and mp3s05:19
pupnik_fun factor almost zero for an old linux guy05:19
pupnik_oh angry birds was brilliant for a few evenings05:19
rtylera few :P05:19
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pupnik_so this flybook has keyboard and everything?05:20
rtylerno, it's 10.1 inch Android tablet05:20
rtylerchinese iPad knockoff running Android 2.105:20
rtylerit'd be *perfect* for Maemo, or MeeGo if that project ever ships anything -_-05:21
pupnik_too bad you didn't get an archos 10.0... omap3640 and angstrom linux (with some meego attempts)05:21
rtylerthat'll run maemo?05:21
pupnik_no05:22
pupnik_maemo is closed and trademarked enough so that nothing else will05:22
rtylerdamnit05:22
pupnik_but the awesome smoku has gotten hildon to build for other OS's05:23
pupnik_so it's not impossible to run some maemo apps elsewhere05:23
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pupnik_reducing battery use on a sdl game isn't easy05:51
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DocScrutinizermhmm05:53
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paulyhi my usb port fell off, is there anyway i can start over or reflash without usb?06:23
paulywithout wiping out emmc06:24
paulyon n900 lol sorry06:25
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Psihey, how do you save a playlist in kmplayer?09:11
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robbiethe1stNot sure; try tapping on the top bar09:19
robbiethe1stit's doable, I can tell you that09:19
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internetishardI'm not sure what might have gotten messed up, but sometimes I can't receive text msgs until I restart my phone09:51
internetishardand it also doesn't say they're sent09:51
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lolcatMy phone fell onto the floor10:08
lolcatThe metal frame is bent10:08
lolcatThe usb port is busted10:08
lolcatWhat to do?10:08
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robbiethe1stlolcat: pictures?10:12
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lolcatBarly visible10:13
lolcatThink I can return it to the shop?10:13
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psycho_oreosyou can probably return it, though whether or not will the repairs incur out of pocket expenses will be solely up to the shop10:50
pupnik_does CSSU fix the hildon-desktop cpu usage bug?10:50
psycho_oreosspecifically what sort of bug would that be? widget bug?10:51
MohammadAGit's upstream, we have it fixed in the CSSU10:53
psycho_oreoswell there you go, straight from the horses' mouth :)10:53
psycho_oreoss/horses\'/horse\'s/10:54
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pupnik_ty MohammadAG - that's a major win for the community imo10:59
pupnik_i manage to trigger it consistently with my game10:59
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pupnik_hehe disabling widgets gets me 75-125 fps on the N90011:04
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pupnik_course that draws 460mA11:06
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robbiethe1stHm, out of curiosity, has anyone /yet/ come up with a OpenGL -> GLES realtime converter?11:21
psycho_oreosany of you guys use archlinux and usb networking with n900?11:30
* psycho_oreos also wonders who else has more than one n90011:32
MohammadAGwhy?11:33
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, got a question in regards to USB networking with two n900, for some reason a duplicated entry in /etc/network/interfaces but having it named as usb1 for the duplicate config doesn't seem to work. Also on the two n900, they are using different IP addresses of course11:35
psycho_oreosthe funny thing is, both interfaces on the computer are visible however you can only ssh into one of them11:37
psycho_oreosi.e. whichever interface was first up gets to have ssh access, the other doesn't11:37
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psycho_oreoslol that quickly fell silent -_-'11:40
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MohammadAGhmm, so you want to ssh into both devices using USB networking?11:43
* MohammadAG never tried that11:43
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG, yeah, well my intention is to be able to transfer between both these devices. First its ssh then once that works I'm going to use sshfs11:46
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pupnik_hah11:58
pupnik_was running frogatto - smoothly11:58
pupnik_while two instances of psx4m-gles were running in background11:58
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pupnik_frogatto alone taking 230-250 mA (120-140)12:00
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RST38hwell. moo.12:05
pupnik_huhu12:07
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pupnik_"You pity the boy whose uniform identifies his servility." - Frank Chodorov12:27
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RST38hpupnik: You do know that uniforms have been proven to have better effect on employees morale than payrises? =)12:33
robbiethe1stRST38h: s/better/cheaper12:34
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xkr47crap, my maemo lost all application catalogues12:36
pupnik_you bity the boy whose uniform *identifies* his servility12:36
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pupnik_the existence of a uniform does not equal servility per-se12:37
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pupnik_i don't have "PC Suite" - must CSSU be connected to a PC to proceed?13:03
MohammadAGno13:04
MohammadAGyou probably have a conflicting application/package13:04
pupnik_meh, running apt-get upgrade13:05
pupnik_appears to be upgrading fine13:06
MohammadAGtry apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr13:07
pupnik_ohh that installs new things13:08
pupnik_that's adding a lot of libqt413:08
MohammadAGQt 4.7.0 -> 4.7.213:09
pupnik_CPU: 0.0 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop13:13
pupnik_yaay!!13:13
pupnik_:D :D13:13
* pupnik_ frolics13:13
soltyshildon-keyboard wtf ?:D13:18
pupnik_ssh + wifi + bq27220.sh idle draw = -6 mA :)13:19
pupnik_wee13:19
pupnik_oops up to 15 mow13:19
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SpeedEvilI've seen down to 3 - but that was with suspend to RAM13:35
pupnik_anybody know how to make text 'reflow' in firefox?13:44
pupnik_i got a page with lines off the edge of screen13:44
pupnik_ahh view->style->no style   did it13:45
pupnik_hem no it didn13:45
SpeedEvilI assuime the text is not wrapped in <pre> tags?13:46
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pupnik_http://osdl.sourceforge.net/main/documentation/rendering/SDL-events.html13:46
pupnik_<code><pre>13:47
pupnik_meh13:47
SpeedEvil'word wrap within pre' extension13:47
pupnik_thanks!13:47
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SpeedEvilhttps://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2351/13:48
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billmaniaMorning.14:56
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jhbHi *, I just installed the modified multiboot +  backupmenu-multiboot, now the n900 always shows the multiboot selection, but only with one option - backupmenu. How can I add the standard maemo entry?15:48
jhbor get it to boot up the phone in normal mode for that matter... Thx :-)15:48
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pupnik_wb wazd, master of pixels15:49
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pupnik_jhb i've avoided that so far15:50
jhbpupnik_: maybe a smart move...15:51
pupnik_there's a way out i'm sure but i don't know it15:52
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jhbpupnik_: oh well, I see what I can do15:58
MohammadAGI think 0 boots default15:59
jhbI try to use the ssh server from backupmenu, asks me for a password - any idea what password to use there?15:59
robbiethe1stUh, your root password?15:59
robbiethe1stYou /do/ have one.15:59
robbiethe1stYou changed it when you installed the SSH server. Oh, and login with user 'root', of course.16:00
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robbiethe1stanyway, I'm off.16:00
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jhbrobbiethe1st: thanks. Maybe I have the wrong one16:00
jhboops, too late16:00
jhbMohammadAG: pressing 0 did the trick. You rock!16:01
jhbMohammadAG: thx a lot16:01
MohammadAGyou're welcome :)16:02
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* GAN900 wonders how long Lenovo usually takes to build.16:05
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GyjfMohammadAG i heard you know something about some great community media player for maemo16:07
MohammadAGI wrote it :p16:07
MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7215616:07
Gyjfi cant seem to find it16:07
Gyjfthank you, ill try it out :)16:08
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kerioquick help required: how can i see how much data was transferred through the mobile network from the shell?16:14
kerio(n900)16:14
ZogGhttp://misc.sergio.spb.ru/img/iphone_numpad.jpeg16:15
lcukkerio, there is a etwork stats desktop widget afaik16:17
lcukand it uses popen() call to something from shell to get them i think16:17
kerioi was asking that one :)16:17
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Sazpaimoni managed to resolve every dependency in order to build gcc 4.4.417:22
Sazpaimonfinally17:22
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pupnik_:)17:28
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dado7Good afternoon, I left my phone today and I forgot that I have looked, is there any log file with some event that has cast me on the phone as long as I have not had? Thanks17:35
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wazdpupnik_: hehe, heya :)17:49
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dado7Good afternoon, I left my phone today and I forgot that I have looked, is there any log file with some event that has cast me on the phone as long as I have not had? Thanks18:40
DocScrutinizersorry, doesn't make any sense to me the 2nd time as well18:41
TreibholzDocScrutinizer: he's trying to make an iPhone related joke.18:42
SpeedEvildado7: If you mean have you appeared on IRC - then no, not since you asked that question18:42
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SpeedEvilnot before, rather18:43
dado7sorry for my bad english18:43
dado7mi telephone this morning is in mi house18:43
dado7and in this time is returt to me18:43
dado7i m curiosi if my brother touch my phone o see my pphotos18:43
SpeedEvilAh18:43
dado7or dfiferents thinks about the teelephone18:43
SpeedEvilPhotos are on VFAT - so there are no access timestamps18:43
dado7i ask for the log files for the telephone with the moves of the terminal18:44
dado7dont have log of use ?18:44
dado7when you open o touch the phone ?18:44
SpeedEvildmesg contains logs of recent openings and closings of the keboard lock18:44
SpeedEvilAnd some other events18:44
dado7yeaaa18:44
dado7with this i know if my brother open the phone :D18:44
DocScrutinizerdado7: there's (in shell) the command dmesg and the command history18:45
DocScrutinizeryes, dmesg has tk_lock events, as well as kb_slide18:46
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dado7i see log but i font see the time in the clock18:46
DocScrutinizeryeah that's probably seconds since boot18:46
dado7dmesg abd slide gpio 71 is now open18:47
dado7but what time is it ?18:47
dado7maybe this dmseg is from my from yesterday..18:47
SpeedEvilThe trime is seconds since boot18:48
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DocScrutinizer[10501.041351] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed18:49
DocScrutinizer[10501.463745] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open18:49
DocScrutinizer[85687.182098] slide (GPIO 71) is now open18:49
DocScrutinizer[85689.908599] slide (GPIO 71) is now closed18:49
dado7yepp i see this18:49
DocScrutinizerkb_lock is lock slider switch18:49
dado7but i donw know what time... i dont know if this open and closed as me o from my brother18:49
DocScrutinizerslide is kbd_slide18:49
dado7the numbers..... not is time......18:50
SpeedEvilin DocScrutinizers example.18:50
DocScrutinizerlook at timestamps in seconsd at start of line18:50
SpeedEvilsubtract 10501 from 8568918:50
SpeedEvilTo get 75000 or so18:50
SpeedEvilNow divide 75000 by 360018:51
DocScrutinizerto know I touched lockswitch like 75000 seconds ago18:51
dado7um...... nice strice !!18:51
SpeedEvilTo get 20.8 hours ago18:51
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E0xhttp://code.saghul.net/pydmesg-dmesg-with-human-readable-timestamps18:52
DocScrutinizerbeware, this seconds interger tends to wrap around occasionally, e.g. my device has an uptime of 31days now, not like 85689 seconds18:53
DocScrutinizerit seems it does 99999.99999->0.00000018:54
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DocScrutinizerWTF?! from __future__ import with_statement19:05
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ruskiehehe19:15
E0xDocScrutinizer: http://python.about.com/od/gettingstarted/qt/py25WITH.htm19:16
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DocScrutinizerE0x: thanks :-D19:22
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E0xDocScrutinizer: np19:29
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MohammadAGanyone used Qt homescreen widgets before?19:50
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prontohttp://gmane.org/dist.php "Note: This tar ball is next to impossible to set up properly. Fixing this probably won't happen any time soon."   - lmfao19:59
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keks-n>>anyone used Qt homescreen widgets before?20:02
keks-nAs far as I remember there is a connector which adds a regular Qt widget from your process to the homescreen20:03
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MohammadAGkeks-n, yeah, but it's segfaulting and killing hildon-home20:14
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keks-nOh wow20:15
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kwtmHi. Sorry about this stupid question: how do I set the default ringtone for my N900 phone?  (Right now after a reflash nothing has been set so it has not been ringing.)20:16
pupnik_hi20:16
keks-nSettings->Profiles?20:16
kwtmOh, it's under profiles?  But everything there was already set.  Ok, will try again.20:17
pupnik_i'd like to try that but i'm afraid of what i'll put on it20:18
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keks-nI've bricked the phone about 15 times during first three days of using it. And even after cold flash it ringed20:20
kwtmThat's not "bricking"! :P20:20
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pupnik_kwtm: i think that battle may be lost20:22
keks-nI mean I had to perform cold flash and then didn't set anything as ringtone. So I think your problem isn't with the default ringtone20:22
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keks-nTry to use volume control20:23
kwtmkeks-n: That is quite possible.  What do you suggest might be the problem?  I had custom ringtone installed, and then I flashed up to PR 1.3 (was PR 1.2).  (I also tried to flash eMMC but failed; apparently everything was preserved.)20:23
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keks-n1) Clear /opt20:24
keks-n2) Remove your card20:24
kwtmkeks-n: When you say "volume control", do you mean the usual volume control accessible from most apps?  That has been turned up to max, of course, and I can hear sounds playing.  Is there a separate volume control for the phone rings?  I see it's set at my ring tone with about 90% volume.20:24
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keks-n3) Flash kernel and rootfs (FIASCO-image)20:24
keks-nBackup and remove any hidden files from your /home/user directory20:25
kwtmkeks-n: Unfortunately, right now I can only test it by calling from my home phone which has a custom ringtone set, so I can only test that custom ringtone (it doesn't work --I can select a ringtone but when I phone it only vibrates).20:25
keks-nHm20:25
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keks-nWhich profile is set?20:25
kwtmkeks-n: It sounds like you are advocating a reflash to fix this problem.  I will try to learn the source of the problem before I do that.  i might end up doing a reflash anyway since I want to upgrade to PR1.3.3.7 later on20:26
kwtmprofile set is called "General".  I used to have other profiles set, but they disappeared after I reflashed.  I had been using ... one of the add ons, Tweakr or Shortcutd?  to store other profiles.20:26
keks-nYou can remove any hidden files and directories from your home direcrory20:26
kwtmkeks-n: However, changing the profile doesn't seem to work.20:26
kwtmkeks-n: What is the rationale behind removing hidden files?  I happen to have .bashrcv and .vimrc and a number of other useful hidden files there.  Any particular hidden file you're targeting, so we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater?20:27
keks-nAs I know, most of settings are stored there20:28
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keks-nYou can make backup before it20:29
MohammadAGkeks-n, nevermind what I said, it expects files somewhere else, not in $PATH20:30
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kwtmWhere are the profiles stored?  Btw, when it comes to "profiles" I see that one can define any number of "profiles" (I'll call these "user profiles") using Tweakr (not Shortcutd as I had suggested before) and then within that "profile" you can also choose either General or Silent, and these are also called "profiles" but I will call them "sub profiles".  So could someone remind me where I select "user profiles"?  I suspect that20:34
kwtmswitching back to one of my previously defined "user profiles" may help.20:34
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keks-nBTW, I still cann't get access to extras-devel20:37
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E0xhttp://www.appscout.com/2011/03/lookout_mobile_offers_plan_b_a.php20:56
E0xany idea of how could implement this on maemo20:57
E0xi mean make some app that work in this way...20:57
E0xi guess you can push app via ovi store20:57
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SpeedEvilI don't think you can21:01
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SpeedEvilHowever, in principle, you could convince one of the authors of a program running on your phone to push an update21:01
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JaffaIt'd only work if you had some form of "connect and see if there's anything for me to do" type app already installed21:07
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JaffaSeems Android might have that functionality built-in (fun), but would be easy to replicate on Maemo21:07
JaffaTwo use cases: install apps/"send" stuff to device from PC or install "find" apps post-loss21:08
SpeedEvilcron -> scp script from server, run.21:08
JaffaIndeed21:08
JaffaBut you might as well install SMScon if you're being that prepared :)21:09
GAN900Hrm, how easy would it be to send an AppleScript command to a remote machine upon connecting to certain APs?21:10
GAN900(and send another when switching back to GSM)21:10
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keriodoes anyone know what's the command to check the current mobile data meter?21:13
SpeedEvilI recommned netstory21:14
SpeedEvilIt's also in gconf somewhere, but netstory is good21:15
kerioi want the "official" one21:16
keriothe one that's checked by the widget21:16
keriolcuk said that the widget uses a popen() call21:16
keriocan someone check the source? i'm a bit short on data :(21:16
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kerionobody? :(21:24
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SpeedEvilthe netstory one pulls from the official one21:27
kerioas i said, i'm short on data21:28
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DocScrutinizerkwtm: user-ringtones is replacing the cached audiofiles somewhere in ~/.*21:35
DocScrutinizersetting a new ringtone should fix this21:35
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DocScrutinizerkeks-n: how did you manage to mess up your device so thoroughly you needed to COLDflash? o.O21:36
DocScrutinizercoldflashing is a method to bootstrap a device with broken NOLO21:37
DocScrutinizerit's really hard to break NOLO (not if you *want* to break it, of course)21:38
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DocScrutinizerkerio: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Reset_GPRS_data_counter21:41
DocScrutinizerkerio: read those gconf keys instead of resetting them and you're done I guess21:42
DocScrutinizerkerio: netstat will give you traffic since last NIC-up or sth like that21:43
DocScrutinizerI guess a dbus call to ICD2 or sth should also provide the up-to-date values21:45
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tzafrirI'm unable to make wifi connection through wifi recently on my N90023:08
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tzafrirI can scan for networks, but once I connect, I don't see any packet sent on the interface.23:08
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tzafrirhmm.... a reboot made it go away23:11
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Pronto|n900how well does the n900 work with headphones that have a mic and volume controls(philips actionfit shq3007 ), i know the last earbuds i got with a volumn control wouldnt work at all23:26
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rm_workno idea, i only have the nokia headset that came with them, and it doesn't have volume controls :(23:34
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DocScrutinizerPronto|n900: multibutton headsets usually don't work. If you got dials to adjust volumes of mic/earphones then chances are they are compatible23:38
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abissomif, DocScrutinizer, \]conventional earphones don't get recognized at all on N90023:42
abissomsorry for that23:42
ruskiethey don't????23:43
ruskiethen I must be special23:43
DocScrutinizeryeah, and also incorrect23:43
ruskiecause they work just fine when plugged in here23:43
DocScrutinizerexactly what they're supposed to23:43
abissomi wanted to ask what could cause conventional earphones to not be recognized at all on n90023:43
abissomwhile nokia ones are23:43
ruskieI use px100 Sennheiser23:44
ruskiework just fine23:44
DocScrutinizera useless non-connected 3rd ring on the plug23:44
abissomactually the earphones are fine... no doubt about that23:44
abissomthe n900 belongs to a friend, and it's my earphones :)23:45
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DocScrutinizerany standard 3pin 3.5mm headphones plug should work23:47
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Pronto|n900when i test them i get static out, damn23:47
DocScrutinizer4pin plugs depend on circuit of the additional ring, some will work, others won't23:47
* abissom gueses something's wrong with friend's device23:47
abissomthey're 3 pin earphones, and i'm even listening on them atm23:48
DocScrutinizermake sure plug is seated correctly23:49
abissomsure DocScrutinizer , will try that23:50
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abissombtw, #maemo was my first irc experience ;)23:52
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kwtmDocScrutinizer: Thank you.  Resetting default ringtone did the trick.  Looks like there had to be an actual change in the ringtone to trigger user ringtones to get rid of the "current ringtone" (which was actually "no ringtone").23:52
DocScrutinizeryes, known behaviour of user-ringtones23:53
kwtmThanks.  Will now check out 1.3.3.7 and will probably be back soon to ask for some hand-holding in flashing.  Bbl.23:53
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DocScrutinizerbarisione did a lot of safety-measures to restore the 'normal' ringtones - but obviously there are situations where you get around those23:53
kwtmIs PR 1.3.3.7 still in beta stage, or is it stable?  In other words, for someone with PR 1.3 working fine, is it worthwhile to switch to 1.3.3.7 if it's just for the working status bar in portrait mode?23:55
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jacekowskipr 1.3.3.7?23:56
DocScrutinizerstable enough for adventurous users for daily usage23:56
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kwtmI am happy to stay with 1.3 otherwise.23:56
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Whew.  Okay, will read up a bit to see what other features I'm getting to see if worthwhile, but it would be nice to be able to use Portrait mode.  Thanks.23:56
DocScrutinizerno really bad issues until last recent before the last one23:56
kwtmMohammadAG: You're one of the developers I should thank, right?23:57
kwtmDocScrutinizer: So, there had been some issues in the second-most-recent but if I get the most recent then I'm still good?23:57
DocScrutinizerhe's the developer you should shout at, yes ;-P23:57
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DocScrutinizerthe most recent has issues with Qt4.7.2 I heard. No idea how much impact that has for daily life23:57
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DocScrutinizeralso most recent is swapping camera-ui by nicolai's community rewrite23:58
DocScrutinizermight have still some flaws23:58
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DocScrutinizerI'm not happy with this aggressive bleeding edge policy23:59
ruskieyeah... way to much screen estate used by the UI...23:59
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ruskiefor the camera-ui23:59

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