IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-04-24

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pupnik_how long does a string have to be in order to be copyrightable00:24
pupnik_(c) pupnik, 201100:24
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ruskiepupnik_, it needs to be creative00:31
pupnik_i assert it was creative to copyright the question as phrased00:32
pupnik_yes i like goedel00:33
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pupnik_hildon-desktoptaking up 7% cpu @ 250mhz now00:35
pupnik_possibly related to starting/quitting sdl application00:36
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Dhraakellianoooh... quassel2go00:44
Dhraakellianlooks a lot nicer than xchat or communi00:44
merlin1991Dhraakellian: quassel2go is full of win00:46
Dhraakellianyeah... now to figure out how to slim down the channel list without it affecting the desktop client00:47
merlin1991make a 2nd list00:48
merlin1991and select it00:48
Dhraakellianhuh... will try that00:48
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merlin1991you activate the 2nd list by going to it from the quassel2go menu, and then open that menu again (wich now has only 1 button) and press that one :)00:48
merlin1991(on the n900 ofc)00:49
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Dhraakelliannot quite getting it00:51
Dhraakellianwill try later00:51
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Dhraakellianhave stuff to do now00:51
Dhraakellianah. got it00:52
merlin1991:D00:52
Dhraakelliannow, is there a "next chat" shortcut for 2go00:52
Dhraakellian?00:52
merlin1991I dunno00:52
merlin1991btw as soon as that noki qt contest is over quassel2go will switch to maemo-extras as repo00:53
Dhraakellianlooks like not00:53
Dhraakellianooooh00:53
SpeedEvilI like xchats binding of the zoom buttons00:53
Dhraakellianthat'll be nice00:53
DhraakellianSpeedEvil: which are?00:54
SpeedEvilnext/last channel00:54
Dhraakellianaaah00:54
Dhraakellianzoom/volume hardware buttons00:54
pupnik_SpeedEvil: is there a vmlinux file for stock kernel that i can use to see what parts of kernel/sys are taking up cpu time?00:55
pupnik_with oprofile00:55
pupnik_i just get no-vmlinux readings here00:55
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MohammadAGGAN900, did you get Portal 2 yet?00:57
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GAN900Yes.00:58
GAN900I have this sinking feeling I'm very close to finishing it so I've slowed down.00:59
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pupnik_cowabunga dude01:30
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pupnik_yaay shaved off another 20ma01:34
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BCMMhow can one arrange auto-rotation similar to the phone app when set to "portrait mode", i.e. portrait regardless of phone orientation, but landscape when the kb is open?01:53
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BCMMi'm over-thinking this... this just reduces to "how can i detect keyboard slide state changes"01:54
BCMM(in Qt)01:54
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weed37hey guys just got a n900 and seem to have issues installing stuff from treminal02:12
weed37terminal*02:12
FauxFauxCool story, bro.02:13
BCMMapparently apt-get install can cause problems02:13
BCMMor is it just apt-get upgrade?02:13
weed37ah install i get error saying i need to be either root or suid02:14
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wmarone__weed37: yeah, to use apt on the commandline you need to install the rootsh package, then type "root" in the terminal02:15
FauxFauxBCMM: Afaik it's only upgrade, but sometimes install will attempt to do the upgrade (mine currently wants to install 1000+ dependencies for everything).02:15
weed37apt-get rootsh?02:16
wmarone__weed37: install rootsh via the Application Manager02:16
BCMMweed37: no, use HAM02:16
weed37k02:16
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BCMMweed37: apt-get is hardly ever teh solution to not being able to run apt-get02:16
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MohammadAGBCMM, apt-get dist-upgrade02:21
BCMMMohammadAG: what about it?02:21
BCMMall i know is that that's the best way to kill an ubuntu system :)02:21
BCMM(if it's ever actually been used)02:22
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MohammadAGBCMM, and a maemo system02:24
BCMMMohammadAG: what does it do?02:24
MohammadAGBCMM, bootloops, at least that's what users said02:24
BCMMhuh, wonder why02:29
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sobczykhi, I'm trying to install ankiqt900 on n900 using faster application manager and it fails. On inspection I detected that apt-cache search does not find ankiqt900, how come it shows on the initial package manager?02:54
sobczykI might add this package is in extras-devel and I have extras-devel in my repos02:55
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esaym153what wifi chipset does the n810 use?06:27
psycho_oreosprobably stlc45006:27
luke-jrstlc45xx or so06:30
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chxesaym153: did you google?06:33
chxesaym153: nokia n810 wifi chipset first result is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=1373906:33
esaym153oh06:34
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chxoh.06:34
* psycho_oreos bets someone will start saying that its easier to ask than to google ._.'06:37
esaym153I actually googled for about 10 minutes before hand... But yes, I knew where to ask06:38
* psycho_oreos thinks someone needs to learn how to google-fu :)06:41
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chxgoogling is a peculiar skill06:47
chxI found it's insanely hard to teach06:47
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befordwait I don't remember having seen a timer camera on n900, is that from cssu?09:02
psycho_oreostimer?09:04
befordlike a timer to take pictures09:05
beford:P09:05
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befordnot sure what to call it.09:05
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psycho_oreosthe icon on the side that looks like a clock? yes that's from cssu09:05
befordcool09:06
psycho_oreosthere's many other changes, you might also want to consult cssu wiki in regards to that09:06
psycho_oreose.g. there's changes in the distance between the camera and the object if one aims the target within the green rectangle09:06
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psycho_oreoswho here has two N900 lol :)09:12
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JaffaMorning, all09:32
JaffaZogG: belated pong09:32
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Termanagood morning10:47
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Gyjfhey13:09
Gyjfanyone know a music player for the n900 thats better than the default one?13:10
lcukthe community media player is extra awesome13:10
Gyjfis that in the respositories?13:10
lcukMohammadAG, how does one get hold of the media player?13:11
Gyjfive also heard something about rockbox13:12
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MohammadAGlcuk, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7215614:24
lcukbravo!14:25
MohammadAGlcuk, it has problems with unicode names14:44
MohammadAGI'm pretty sure I have all QStrings using fromUtf8()14:45
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lcukMohammadAG, unicode is hard.14:50
lcukThere are many good people around Qt who could help, ask w00t_ for some pointers if needbe.14:50
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jatthow do I type the pipe symbol in the n90015:05
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Gh0styjatt: you use the 'symbol' key on your keyboard15:16
Gh0styand you select the pipe sign from the onscreen keyboard? :p15:16
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GeneralAntillesEasiest way to test the proximity sensor?16:31
GeneralAntillesI think mine's stopped working.16:31
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SpeedEvilPut your finger over it16:33
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SpeedEvilNokia-N900:/sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity# cat state16:35
SpeedEvilopen16:35
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GeneralAntillesWorking16:41
GeneralAntillesDialer and alarm must just be idiots, then.16:42
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* SpeedEvil should work out why his camera app is not starting on boot16:46
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RST38hmoo?18:31
psycho_oreoshow long does the locale data last if one removes the main battery from N900 and without having the device connected to other sources of power supply?18:31
psycho_oreos?oom18:32
MohammadAG30s I think18:32
psycho_oreoshmm thanks, I'll have to test that on my other n900, my original N900 does last for more than what 3 seconds without any power before I get that stupid locale prompt18:33
MohammadAGsame I think, but it should last 30s18:34
MohammadAGat least that's how it was before18:34
psycho_oreosit wasn't for my original N900 :| somehow I recalled that was known as a defective issue with certain N90018:35
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RST38hhttp://demotivation.me/baiqk5xc7rbypic.html  <-- "new iPad starts selling"19:55
BCMMbleh, anyone else find the scratchbox's g++ keeps warning about no newline at end of files when there is clearly a newline at the end of the file?19:56
RST38hthere is none19:57
RST38hyou have to have an extra empty line there just in case19:57
nox-id say its a q of the editor used19:58
nox-some may not put newlines at eof by themselves19:58
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Sazpaimoncan someone please help me with scratchbox? It gives giving me weird errors with my compiled programs21:19
Sazpaimonfor some reason it's trying to link to GLIBCXX_3.421:19
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sms_help, please: N900 gets to multiboot, but maemo is broken so it won't boot.. reflashing the thing doesn't work either, "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" forever..21:46
sms_if I plug it in the wall charger I get an orange dot for 3 seconds and it enters the vibrate->backlit nokia screen->non backlit nokia screen->off->repeat21:47
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abissomsms.. i have no N900..but your problem was discussed here yesterday..21:53
abissomlet me check the logs :)21:53
sms_please do :)21:53
abissomfound it21:55
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abissomhttp://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-04-23.log.html#t2011-04-23T16:18:4021:55
abissombillmania had your problem21:56
sms_ok ill look into it21:56
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jacekowskisms_: flash it22:08
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sms_jacekowski, I can't get the usb icon with the usb cable. When it does the nokia loop with a wall charger, the icon comes on after many loops. But with the usb cable the icon won't show up, and the nokia screen isn't backlit22:38
sms_or it is, but the backlight won't come on after a few loops anymore, yet still no icon22:41
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sms_Ugh..22:42
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sms_wall charer plugged: backlit loops -> usb icon-> hold u -> usb icon stays in the corner.22:44
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sms_->unplug the charger->usb icon goes away+plug the usb cable->phone back in backlit nokia loop->dim nokia loop22:46
abissomsms_: did u read what DocScrutinizer was saying in the logs?22:46
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abissomcareful you don't make situation worse22:46
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billmaniasms_: abissom: Has the problem been solved?22:47
sms_nope..22:47
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sms_yours?22:48
billmaniasms_: I was able to recover my N900 yesterday. What is the current state of your N900?22:48
sms_dim nokia loop22:48
sms_oh now backlit again..22:48
sms_wall charger plugged in22:49
billmaniaDid you follow the procedure which abissom mentioned earlier this afternoon?22:49
sms_I wasn't here earlier22:49
sms_I've tried all kinds of stuff..22:49
billmaniaDoes your IRC client not have a log for the channel?22:49
abissomi linked u to the logs22:49
sms_sorry my head is filled with nokia, loop, battery22:50
sms_:)22:50
DocScrutinizernow you see why multiboot is deprecated22:50
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abissomhttp://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-04-23.log.html#t2011-04-23T16:11:1122:51
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billmaniasms_: Maybe I can help you through the procedure this time. Let's see if your N900 is in the "can't boot an OS so loop looking for a firmware image from USB".22:51
billmaniaFirst, what is the charge level of the battery?22:51
sms_3.2V22:52
billmaniaYou removed it and measured it with a meter?22:52
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sms_3,4222:53
sms_now22:53
sms_yes22:53
billmaniaOK. Keep the battery removed from the N900.22:54
ShadowJK3.2 is shutdown threshold, 3.5 is low battery warning threshold22:54
sms_oh22:54
billmaniaAre you setup with a computer to flash the firmware image onto the N900 already?22:54
sms_yep22:54
sms_Suitable USB device not found, waiting.22:55
billmaniaThe reason I suggest keeping the battery removed is because you cannot charge the battery until you have a working OS on the N900.22:55
billmaniaKeeping it removed will allow it to recover a bit of voltage.22:55
sms_I see22:55
sms_But the really puzzling part is that I can get the usb icon with the wall charger22:55
sms_but not the usb cable22:55
billmaniaAre you reading this URL: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware ?22:56
sms_yes22:56
billmaniaWhich OS on your computer?22:57
sms_ubuntu 64bit22:57
billmaniaGreat. Same as me.22:57
sms_tried with 32bit mint too22:57
sms_and 64bit win722:58
sms_but never can I get the usb icon to appear unless itäs on the wall charger22:58
billmaniaCan you use the USB cable, which you're trying between your computer and the N900, with some other USB device, to confirm that the cable is fully functional?22:58
sms_no, but I guess I can check it with a multimeter..22:59
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billmaniaThe N900 USB cable? That would be quite a feat.22:59
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sms_yeah I just realized that..22:59
billmaniaHave you ever used that N900 USB cable successfully with this particular N900 in the past?22:59
sms_yes many times23:00
billmaniaOK. Let's assume there's nothing wrong with the USB cable (since we really don't have any other choice).23:00
billmaniaSo, connect the N900 USB cable to your computer and execute Step 7 from http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux23:01
billmaniaDo not connect the N900 to anything yet and don't install the battery yet.23:01
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billmaniasms_: Do you reach Step 8?23:01
sms_Suitable USB device not found, waiting, yep23:02
billmaniaBeauteous.23:02
* nox- is wondering if such a phone should better come with an external charger if it needs a working install to charge...23:02
billmaniaNow, we may have to move quickly.23:02
sms_o23:02
sms_k23:02
billmanianox-: I agree completely.23:02
billmaniasms_: Install the battery in the N900, keep the "u' key pressed and then connect the USB cable to the N900.23:02
billmaniaWatch your computer display as soon as you connect the USB cable, to see if the flasher finds the USB device.23:03
sms_U pressed while inserting the battery, or before inserting the usb cable23:03
billmanianox-: This battery charging business is another weakness in what is otherwise, in my opinion, a good design for a tablet computer.23:03
billmaniaBefore you connect the USB cable, press and keep depressed the "u" key on the N900.23:04
billmaniaFirst, install battery. Second, depress "u" key. Third, connect USB cable. Fourth, watch the computer display.23:04
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nox-billmania, yes otherwise i like the n900 too23:04
sms_just a dim nokia screen, then backlit nokia screen and looop23:05
sms_nothing changed on the pc23:05
billmaniasms_: OK. Release the "u" key and disconnect the USB cable from the N900.23:06
sms_ok23:06
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billmaniasms_: If the N900 is ready to received a firmware image now, you should see the lower left lamp flash once, and a dim NOKIA banner on the display. That will last for a few seconds then you'll see the same sequence again.23:07
billmaniaIs that the case?23:07
sms_the little lamp doesn't flash23:08
sms_and now it's just a black screen23:08
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billmaniaThere is a possibility that your N900 battery doesn't have sufficient charge to enter the loop.23:09
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sms_but I can get there if I press the power button23:09
billmaniaI suggest removing it from the N900 and leaving it removed for at least 30 minutes.23:09
sms_with the light.23:09
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billmaniasms_: Can you get the dim NOKIA banner and a flash of the lower left lamp, if you press the N900 power button?23:10
sms_No, the lamp stays on and a backlit nokia screen comes on.23:11
sms_if the keyboard is open, the multiboot screen shows up23:11
billmaniaAh, yes, someone mentioned "multiboot" earlier in the channel.23:12
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Sicelo:)23:12
billmaniaYou've now exceeded my knowledge of how to recover the boot image on the N900.23:12
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sms_:D oh man23:13
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sms_I feel it's all about the usb icon23:13
sms_It comes on with the wall charger after a few loops23:13
sms_But with the usb cable it won't23:13
sms_: (23:14
Siceloi'd still say scour the logs...23:14
billmaniasms_: I agree with Sicelo. Also, research how the changes you've applied for multiboot affect the management of battery charging and the management of firmware flashing.23:14
Sicelothere's a nice search funtion too23:14
billmaniasms_: The procedure described at http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware may not apply in the "multiboot" situation.23:15
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sms_I don't know what's been done to this phone because it's not mine and my friend is such a dumb ass :)23:16
sms_He tried to install nitdroid on it23:17
pupniki wonder if maemo.org hosting is in danger of disappearing23:17
Sicelowhat's happening pupnik ?23:18
billmaniasms_: Might be time for a "Sorry, man, can't help you". Offer him USD 10 for salvage on the bricked phone. :-D23:19
sms_too bad he's sitting right next to me and read that :D23:19
psycho_oreosfurthermore, there's no way one can archive such useful data easily once the site disappears. It will take everything with it and vanish like as if it never existed.23:19
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DocScrutinizersms_: your battery is way too weak. NOLO bootloader detects that and decides not to enter flash mode but rather boot the linux to start charging. Alas the system is borked and doesn't boot up and so doesn't charge23:20
billmaniaWhy would any reasonable person want to replace Maemo with Android? Wait, is it because he wanted lots of "apps"?23:21
sms_So I need to charge the battery23:21
DocScrutinizeryes23:21
sms_Ok I'll hack something together23:21
sms_:)23:21
DocScrutinizerexternal charger, either dedicated or some compatible NOKIA phone23:21
psycho_oreoshe better hope to be able to buy a spare battery, hope there's someone else that he knows of whom may have N95-1 lol23:21
sms_And he's just trying to get into the wonderful world of typing stuff into the terminal23:22
billmaniasms_: Where in the world are you located?23:22
sms_finland23:22
billmaniaFinland! Close to Tampere?23:22
sms_lempäälä23:22
billmaniaThere must be 36 gazillion Nokia phones within 100 meters of you.23:23
sms_Well I don't feel comfortable knocking on every neighbours door :)23:23
DocScrutinizeriirc lower limit for Ubat for NOLO to enter flashing mode when holding 'u' is ~3.623:23
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sms_THAT is great to know23:24
billmaniaStephen Elop would be more than happy to invite you over for Easter dinner and to help you support Maemo on the N900. :-D23:24
Gyjfdoes anyone know where to get the "community media player" for n900 ?23:24
DocScrutinizerdo you have an "old" Nokia wallcharger? with a 3mm barrel connector?23:24
sms_yep23:24
billmaniaDocScrutinizer: According to the log, sms_'s battery is an anemic 3.42 VDC. :-(23:24
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DocScrutinizerNokia wallchargers have pretty decent constant current and a variable output voltage, so you can charge your battery directly for some 10..15min, if it's *DEFINITELY* depleted and down to <3.4 V23:25
* Sicelo notes that.. thanks for info DocScrutinizer 23:26
DocScrutinizerno need for series resistor to limit current to <1A23:26
DocScrutinizerjust keep a an eye on charging closely! overcharging LiIon cells is really DANGEROUS23:27
sms_It's 3.29V right now23:27
psycho_oreoshate to ask, but wouldn't the bootloop prevent BME to get the battery charging from wall charger? iirc. When one has N900 connected to a powered USB node I remember seeing the kernel bootup to ACT_DEAD state before it goes into charging state23:28
DocScrutinizerso 10min at a 800mA or similar nokia wallcharger (plus inner, GND/- outer contact of barrel plug) will give you some probably sufficient charge23:28
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?262234-TK-Monster-Explosion23:29
SpeedEvilFun.23:29
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: exactly. that's why you get into a deadlock with low bat plus flashing_needed23:29
SpeedEvilUnusually exciting battery oops.23:29
sms_5.7V 800mA says the charger23:30
DocScrutinizerthat's exactly OK23:30
sms_so the shell of the barrel to the minus terminal, inside of the barrel to the + terminal23:30
sms_10minutes23:30
DocScrutinizerthe voltage will drop to whatever the cell voltage is, at 800..900mA23:30
DocScrutinizeryes, exactly23:30
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DocScrutinizerhold the cell with your fingers all the time, and stop procedure as soon as you sense any increase in temperature23:31
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DocScrutinizerDO NOT mix the plus and minus23:32
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, I thought by then one cannot really charge their N900 unless if they have some other device that is capable of charging BL-5J23:32
psycho_oreosahh wait I understand, you're doing it all by hand23:32
DocScrutinizersleve of plug to MINUS of battery, inner contact to PLUS23:32
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DocScrutinizercheck the + and - and voltage with a DVM23:34
DocScrutinizerof the wallcharger23:34
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psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, interesting link there, I should point that out to me dad, he recently bought some 18650 batteries as they are easily obtained from electronics stores23:34
SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: In short - make sure that especially high drain devices have vent plugs in their battery compatments23:35
sms_DocScrutinizer, DVM?23:36
sms_the voltage of the charger?23:36
DocScrutinizerDMM, multimeter23:36
DocScrutinizeryes23:36
sms_ah23:36
SpeedEvilThat's stupid - it's drawing 10A from each cell though. 250W halogen bulb23:36
DocScrutinizeralso volt of cell23:36
sms_6.04V the charger outputs23:37
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sms_3.29V the battery23:37
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, true but cheap electronic equipment :) what can you expect when it could cause such a nasty pipe bomb. QA for electronic equipment that can otherwise be obtained so cheaply has safety requirements thrown out the window just for the sake of cheapness23:38
sms_I'll proceed to stick the wires into the battery-->23:38
SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: IIRC that was a $300 flashlight23:38
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, well I was talking about in me dad's case :) he got some really cheap flashlight that utilises 18650 batteries23:39
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SpeedEvilah23:40
SpeedEvilIIf it's single cell, it's not really an issue23:40
psycho_oreosthen again, he bought 2 x 18650 batteries from China, some generic branded batteries *shrug*23:41
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sms_4 more minutes..23:46
sms_my fingers are getting numb23:46
sms_:p23:46
sms_hmmh23:50
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sms_and the voltage is..23:51
sms_3.7!23:51
sms_Wuu23:51
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