| *** jas4711 has joined #maemo | 00:01 | |
| *** phap has quit IRC | 00:01 | |
| *** lizardo has quit IRC | 00:07 | |
| *** trupheenix has quit IRC | 00:11 | |
| *** larsivi has quit IRC | 00:12 | |
| *** mc_teo has joined #maemo | 00:13 | |
| *** s0ny123 has left #maemo | 00:13 | |
| *** kwtm has joined #maemo | 00:16 | |
| *** jrocha has joined #maemo | 00:17 | |
| *** baraujo has quit IRC | 00:18 | |
| *** setanta has quit IRC | 00:18 | |
| kwtm | Hi. I am about to reflash my N900's flash memory; then I want to install the gainroot package so I can activate USB networking and quickly re-transfer my backup back into flash memory (instead of having to do it wifi'ly). Where are the .deb packages stored, so I can copy the gainroot package (and others) to the uSD card and then copy it back after the flash? | 00:18 |
|---|---|---|
| *** croppa has joined #maemo | 00:19 | |
| *** piggz has quit IRC | 00:19 | |
| ShadowJK | The ones on N900 get deleted after install, I think | 00:19 |
| *** federico2 has quit IRC | 00:19 | |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: Hmm... are you there? If I want to reflash my 32GB flash mem so that only 4GB (or maybe even just 2GB) is the vfat ~/MyDocs , do I need to flash the ... what is it called, eeprom? The part with the actual Maemo OS? | 00:20 |
| *** jhb has joined #maemo | 00:20 | |
| kwtm | ShadowJK: Ok, so I'd have to reinstall anyway. Okay. | 00:20 |
| *** zap has joined #maemo | 00:21 | |
| ShadowJK | The backup utility can save a list of installed apps, and reinstall them when you restore | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 00:21 |
| kwtm | ShadowJK: I already have that with "dpkg --get-selections >FileList ; # reflash ; dpkg --set-selections <FileList". I just want to be able to do it more quickly than having to go over a wireless connection | 00:22 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: Darn, I was hoping to avoid having to flash everything. Oh, well. | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | fyi, maemo-list-user-packages | awk '{print $1}' | xargs | 00:23 |
| kwtm | Uh-oh. I already have the PR 1.2 flash images on my laptop, but I can't remember if they are the latest PR 1.2. When did the latest come out, please? I am afraid that if I just say as root "apt-get upgrade" (or apt-get dist-upgrade or whatever), it will upgrade to PR 1.3 which I want to avoid for now. If I got my around early July 2010, are those the latest? | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | why avoid 1.3? | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | July 2010 is before 1.3 | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | probably 1.2 | 00:28 |
| *** E0x has quit IRC | 00:29 | |
| kwtm | MohammadAG: I have been using 1.2 up till now, and it works. So till now there was no reason to upgrade. Now I should avoid so that if I get any errors, I know it's not related to PR 1.3. (Especially since I've been told that using shell scripting is "unsupported" and I'm responsible for anything weird that happens.) | 00:30 |
| kwtm | ShadowJK: Oh, I know it's 1.2, but do you recall if it was the newest 1.2? Or should I go look for the latest 1.2 firmware image? I can't remember the nokia website for that.... | 00:30 |
| ShadowJK | tablets-dev.nokia.com probably | 00:31 |
| *** jrocha has quit IRC | 00:31 | |
| *** slonopotamus has quit IRC | 00:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's only one 1.2 | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and you won't be able to install a lot of testing and devel repo based apps on a fresh 1.2 flash | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | restore = install | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | hail Qt ABI break | 00:32 |
| *** chenca has quit IRC | 00:32 | |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: When you say "you won't be able to install a lot of testing and devel repo based apps on a fresh 1.2 flash" does that also apply to an old 1.2 flash, too? Ie. if I have it currently running on my 1.2 N900, does it mean it will install ok? Or for some reason it won't work even though it works ok now (say, because the PR1.2 version is no longer available in the repos and I must install the PR 1.3 packages)? | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes exactly that | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a lot of packages in devel got updated to a version incompatible with 1.2 | 00:35 |
| *** itbaron has quit IRC | 00:36 | |
| MohammadAG | mostly Qt apps | 00:36 |
| kwtm | Oh dear. Ok, I guess I'm being forced into PR 1.3. Better to download a PR 1.3 firmware, or just reflash my old image and then do the OTA update? | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flash, much faster | 00:36 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: Oh, the devel packages? Oh, well, that's fine. I've hardly installed any devel packages, and any that I did install were in the past month, so I know they work with 1.2 unless something's changed in the past month. | 00:37 |
| kwtm | Well, I guess now's the time to go to PR 1.3, and if it fails I can still fall back onto PR 1.2 | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno | 00:37 |
| *** mc_teo has quit IRC | 00:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | check HAM update | 00:37 |
| kwtm | Unfortunately, I need to get my IMEI number to get Nokia's firmware image ... which means taking off my Impregnable Otter Case ... which is so impregnable that it takes me half an hour to pry it off... :P | 00:37 |
| MohammadAG | or *#06# | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | or Settings - About product | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | or dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei | grep string | cut -f 2 -d '"' | 00:38 |
| kwtm | MohammadAG: Oh. Yeah, that might be a good idea ... :P | 00:38 |
| *** kthomas_vh_ has quit IRC | 00:41 | |
| *** kthomas has quit IRC | 00:41 | |
| alterego | Two more features to implement for my next release of Columbus. | 00:42 |
| alterego | Then an RC1 | 00:42 |
| alterego | And hopefully I can finally get it out of the freakin' barn :) | 00:42 |
| *** kthomas has joined #maemo | 00:42 | |
| *** kthomas_vh_ has joined #maemo | 00:42 | |
| kwtm | What's the difference between the Global firmware and the USA / UK / whatever region firmware? | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | get global | 00:42 |
| alterego | kwtm: the image size | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | not much difference, except for strings | 00:43 |
| alterego | I don't know if anyone has bothered doing a diff tbh | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | and some language packages | 00:43 |
| alterego | I think some stop fmtx? | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | no | 00:43 |
| kwtm | MohammadAG: Ok, so more language support l10n or something? | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | they all do if the region in CAL is one that doesn't support it | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | no | 00:43 |
| alterego | I though china doesn't have fmtx | 00:43 |
| alterego | Oh right | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | global language packages have the suffix -mr0 | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | it's disabled in software, twice | 00:44 |
| kwtm | alterego: Ahhh... fmtx is a separate thing --for some reason the FM transmitter widget keeps complaining that "USB device is connected" (it's not) but I'll leave that for another time. | 00:44 |
| alterego | complains about usb? haha | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, though indian sw lacks skype afaik | 00:45 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:45 |
| alterego | I thought skype was a seperate download, but I guess it isn't | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | it's built in | 00:45 |
| kwtm | So, just to be absolutely sure (I don't want to mess this up), the "firmware" image (containing Maemo) is also known as the "FIASCO" image; and the "eMMC" image (which contains ~/MyDocs etc.) is what "vanilla" refers to? And the "eMMC" and "firmware" are the two things I need to flash, and in that order? | 00:48 |
| *** ayanes has quit IRC | 00:48 | |
| alterego | kwtm, read the wiki page :P | 00:48 |
| alterego | ~flashing | 00:48 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 00:48 |
| kwtm | alterego: I did. I want a live person to confirm this because I don't want to mess this up. | 00:48 |
| alterego | Well doesn't matter if you do. | 00:49 |
| *** npm has quit IRC | 00:49 | |
| alterego | You can always do it again :P | 00:49 |
| kwtm | alterego: Yeah, that's what they said the first seven times. | 00:49 |
| alterego | And we all say follow the wiki :P | 00:49 |
| kwtm | alterego: Well, the wiki does not confirm that "FIASCO" is same as "firmware", for starters. | 00:50 |
| *** npm has joined #maemo | 00:50 | |
| kwtm | The wiki has been written by people who are familiar with the topic and don't realize they are using terms that may be confusing to the newcomer. | 00:50 |
| *** _federico3 has joined #maemo | 00:50 | |
| alterego | Admittedly the wiki should really contain the full filenames | 00:51 |
| nid0 | it does | 00:52 |
| nid0 | a n | 00:52 |
| kwtm | I remember there was something that tripped me up the first time I did this last year. It took me forever to confirm that two different names were referring to the same thing. What *does* FIASCO stand for, anyway? | 00:52 |
| nid0 | and the like 3rd sentence in the n900 section says that the FIASCO image is the rootfs | 00:52 |
| kwtm | ANd what is "vanilla" eMMC? Is there any other type? I haven't seen any reference to anything else. | 00:53 |
| alterego | Well, FIASCO is actually the file format for the images you flash, which is both images are FIASCO images. | 00:53 |
| kwtm | alterego: So, from what you're saying, it's actually *wrong* to say "Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image" as it says in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php because *both* are FIASCO images? | 00:53 |
| kwtm | And you're saying, "Just go read the wiki which will answer all your questions"? | 00:54 |
| nid0 | general accepted usage is that FIASCO = rootfs, as stated in the wiki | 00:54 |
| kwtm | nid0: Where in the wiki does it say that? | 00:54 |
| alterego | Yeah, I'm just being pedantic | 00:54 |
| alterego | EMMC is mydocs | 00:54 |
| nid0 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900 | 00:54 |
| nid0 | 3 lines down | 00:54 |
| alterego | And COMBINED is rootfs | 00:54 |
| nid0 | •(flashing the) FIASCO aka *COMBINED*, also referred to as "rootfs" though this file and flashing process also consists of / affects NOLO bootloader (the several stages), the kernel, and usually the GSM modem firmware, in addition to the root filesystem which is basically the content of your 240 MB NAND flash storage and implements the Linux operating system. | 00:54 |
| kwtm | nid0: And why would it be generally accepted usage for something that's ambiguous? How hard would it be to do %s/FIASCO/firmware/g ? | 00:55 |
| *** jonne has quit IRC | 00:55 | |
| kwtm | nid0: So the FIASCO is actually the combined firmware and eMMC image, then? | 00:55 |
| *** jonne has joined #maemo | 00:55 | |
| nid0 | eh? no | 00:56 |
| kwtm | So the NAND storage is the faster memory in which the kernel operates, and "flash" memory is the 32GB slower memory used as a RAMdisk (even though both types of memories are "flash"ed) | 00:56 |
| kwtm | Why is it called "combined" then? | 00:56 |
| alterego | Because it's kernel+rootfs+cal+cellmofirmware+bootloader | 00:57 |
| *** _0x47 has quit IRC | 00:58 | |
| kwtm | alterego: Ahh... so kernel+rootfs+cal+cellmofirmware+bootloader all belong on one type of memory --and, more importantly, this is *all* that belongs on this memory (nothing else)? And the eMMC is a different type of memory, flashed by a different image file? | 00:58 |
| alterego | kwtm: no, because the firmware is actually _inside_ the cellular modem :) | 00:59 |
| alterego | So it's not just the nand flash :) | 00:59 |
| alterego | It's a combination of the rootfs nand flash, which also houses the kernel and the bootloader, as well as firmware for the cellular modem which is actually _inside_ the modem chip and seperate. | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK | Anyway, the wiki is hard to follow even for someone familiar with the terminology like me | 01:00 |
| kwtm | When you say "the cellular modem", this is referring to hardware or software? When I transfer ("flash") the file named RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin into my N900, what do you call the place where that file goes? Is it "rootfs nand flash and cellular modem" --ie. two different hardware devices/memory chips? | 01:01 |
| kwtm | ShadowJK: Thank you for the support. | 01:01 |
| alterego | Yeah, to be honest I don't find it too easy to follow :D | 01:01 |
| *** mitsutaka has joined #maemo | 01:02 | |
| alterego | kwtm: it's a combination of different bits for different areas. Most goes into the NAND, like I said, the bootload, kernel and rootfs are all in the nand. Then you've got CAL which is in a different memory unit (I think) and the cellular firmware is a memory unit inside the cellular modem chip. | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | kwtm, "kernel + rootfs + call + bootloader" is one physical chip. Cellular firmware is another chip. The modem actually consists of many chips, it has its own ARM9 CPU, its own RAM and its own flash chip. | 01:02 |
| alterego | So no, not all one area. | 01:02 |
| alterego | Where as the eMMC is all one area. | 01:02 |
| alterego | And the GPS too :) | 01:02 |
| *** edisson has quit IRC | 01:03 | |
| kwtm | ShadowJK: Interesting ... so when I flash, the N900 will sort out which part of the image goes where? That's surprisingly sophisticated. Been a while since I've done electrical engineering, I suppose. | 01:03 |
| *** mitsutaka has quit IRC | 01:03 | |
| alterego | kwtm: actually the flasher program does that. | 01:03 |
| alterego | kwtm: not the N900 | 01:03 |
| kwtm | alterego: I see. | 01:04 |
| alterego | kwtm: and I guess it's a mixture of protocols, I think the flashing of the cellmo is done via a psuedo TTY serial communication, with a specific set of strange command incantations that says "Put me into firmware upload mode" | 01:04 |
| alterego | The cellmo is practically a stand alone computer with memory, processor and operating system. | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope, at least hajf of it is done by NOLO | 01:05 |
| *** MadViking has quit IRC | 01:05 | |
| kwtm | Btw, just to make sure I'm doing this for the right reason: /home is of filetype ext3 and contains symlinks and perms and all that good stuff right? Otherwise there's no point me shrinking the vfat ~/MyDocs to make the rest of ~/ bigger. | 01:05 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: oh yeah, sure NOLO handles comms routing and flashing of NAND and eMMC | 01:05 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: undeclared synonym alert: is "NOLO" the same as the flasher program? | 01:05 |
| *** Milhouse has quit IRC | 01:06 | |
| ShadowJK | kwtm, boot loader | 01:06 |
| alterego | /home is ext3 /home/MyDocs is mounted as fat32 | 01:06 |
| *** _federico3 has quit IRC | 01:06 | |
| alterego | NOkia LOader :) | 01:06 |
| kwtm | alterego: Excellent. Bring on 28G of that ext3 goodness! | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | The first thing that runs when the main CPU of the N900 starts up. It handles and receives the communication from the flasher utility on a PC. If the user isn't trying to flash, it prepares the hardware for booting, checks that there's vaguely enough battery power, and then loads the linux kernel | 01:07 |
| kwtm | alterego: I figured that was what NOLO stood for but I didn't know if it was the loader for booting up, or for "loading" the flash image from laptop onto N900, etc. | 01:07 |
| kwtm | Yay, download done! Here we go. | 01:07 |
| alterego | kwtm: both ;) | 01:07 |
| kwtm | for all I know, NOLO is "NOt a LOader" or something.... | 01:07 |
| alterego | NOLO is the bootload, but obviously when the system is "booting" it can go into flashing mode with the USB connected and the flasher app running on a host. | 01:07 |
| *** Rarok has quit IRC | 01:08 | |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: So, where your web page says sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin that's actually modifying a *binary* image file, right? I mean, what if the sequence "2048" occurs elsewhere in the file? | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it doesnt | 01:09 |
| *** Milhouse has joined #maemo | 01:09 | |
| *** Milhouse has quit IRC | 01:09 | |
| *** Milhouse has joined #maemo | 01:09 | |
| alterego | Turned GEdit into my own sexy Qml development environment | 01:10 |
| kwtm | Okay. But ... umm, if I'm only modifying the eMMC file , why do I have to reflash the FIASCO combined image, too? | 01:10 |
| GAN900 | How can a website for 140 character posts of BS be so insanely bloated. | 01:10 |
| *** mpoirier has quit IRC | 01:10 | |
| alterego | Well, I just made CTRL+F5 execute qmlviewer -opengl main.qml in the directory of the document you're editing .. | 01:10 |
| kwtm | GAN900: It's how they make their money. Ads, man, ads! | 01:10 |
| GAN900 | Somebody needs to administer beatings to these web developers. | 01:10 |
| GAN900 | kwtm, worse still is all of the "functionality". | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kwtm: /opt erasure | 01:11 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: Ohhh... right, if/when I flash both, the FIASCO comes *after* the eMMC and that's what sets the eMMC right again. Ok | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you *could* save and then restore whole /home | 01:12 |
| *** Malin- has joined #maemo | 01:12 | |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: That's what I did. That's why I was asking how to rsync back onto ~/ over the USB connection. Faster than wifi. I make daily backups of ~/. | 01:13 |
| *** Milhouse has quit IRC | 01:14 | |
| kwtm | Anyone know any problem with shrinking the vfat ~/MyDocs to only 2G? My camera/video photos go onto uSD card (16GB). | 01:14 |
| *** PhonicUK has quit IRC | 01:14 | |
| *** arp has joined #maemo | 01:15 | |
| *** arp is now known as rjeo | 01:15 | |
| *** Rarok has joined #maemo | 01:18 | |
| *** MadViking has joined #maemo | 01:18 | |
| *** _federico3 has joined #maemo | 01:18 | |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: Just re-read your comment. I think you were referring to /home including /home/opt and I thought you meant ~/ meaning /home/user. No, I haven't backed up /home/opt. | 01:20 |
| *** Milhouse has joined #maemo | 01:21 | |
| *** Milhouse has quit IRC | 01:21 | |
| *** Milhouse has joined #maemo | 01:21 | |
| *** croppa is now known as croppa_ | 01:24 | |
| *** Rarok has quit IRC | 01:27 | |
| pupnik | the blue on the n900 display is so deep and rich | 01:27 |
| pupnik | it's different than my laptop | 01:27 |
| *** jhb has quit IRC | 01:28 | |
| *** MadViking has quit IRC | 01:28 | |
| *** MadViking has joined #maemo | 01:28 | |
| *** scoobertron has quit IRC | 01:29 | |
| *** Guest44538 has joined #maemo | 01:29 | |
| *** lxp has quit IRC | 01:30 | |
| ShadowJK | i think it was nicer on n810 | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | n900 is kinda cold | 01:32 |
| *** bigbrovar has quit IRC | 01:32 | |
| *** sq-one has quit IRC | 01:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: speedevil is happy with 2GB afaik | 01:35 |
| * SpeedEvil forgets the context. | 01:35 | |
| * SpeedEvil may nothave enough RAM. | 01:35 | |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: It says Invalid FIASCO subimage id (00) | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh. | 01:36 |
| *** panaggio_ has joined #maemo | 01:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I shrunk mydocs to 4G | 01:36 |
| *** scoobertron has joined #maemo | 01:36 | |
| SpeedEvil | I just did it hackily. | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: you need to patch vanilla, not combined | 01:37 |
| kwtm | Well the full 3 lines are : Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB \n Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA \n Invalid FIASCO subimage id (00) | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange, others reported it worked for them | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I mounted mydocs RO, tarred all the contents to /home. unmounted mydocs, fdisked to delete mydocs. created a 4G partition, with the rest as another partition. untarred mydocs as vfat onto the 2G partition withthe original partition number. | 01:38 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Aha, you thought when it said "FIASCO" it referred to the combined, didn't you? Hence the danger in calling something by an invalid name ("FIASCO" != combined) ... anyway, this seems to refer to the vanilla image. I did rename the vanilla file. Do you think I have to preserve the filename? | 01:38 |
| *** eijk_ has quit IRC | 01:38 | |
| SpeedEvil | then made the other one ext3. | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | 'just works' | 01:38 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Another possibility is: I changed 2048 to 30720 --do you think the extra character made the file one byte longer and invalidated it? | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | (preserve name) no | 01:38 |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 01:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:38 |
| kwtm | so I am limited to 9999 MB, then, (isn't that less than 10 GB?) and can't use 30 GB. | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest you use a hexeditor and search for the 2048 | 01:39 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I can search with hex, but can I change it to 30720 which is 5 characters? | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a rather plantext scripty part | 01:40 |
| kwtm | Will try it. I'm just reading over what SpeedEvil said and thinking whether that would be a better way. | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, just make sure you use some common sense when editing | 01:40 |
| *** tchan has quit IRC | 01:40 | |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Oh, you mean fiddle with the plaintexty scripty part to somehow lose the extra character and preserve the filesize? | 01:41 |
| kwtm | SpeedEvil: So did you create a new ext3 partition that was mounted in a subdir of home? Or did you actually increase the size of the /home partition? | 01:42 |
| *** rm_you has quit IRC | 01:42 | |
| *** tchan has joined #maemo | 01:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:42 |
| *** Guest44538 has left #maemo | 01:43 | |
| kwtm | WTF??? My patched eMMC image file is 28 bytes larger in size. DocScrutinizer, you sure "2048" only occurs once in the entire file? | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | kwtm: yes | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | kwtm: I mouint it in /home/user/datra | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Without the typo. | 01:44 |
| kwtm | SpeedEvil: I guess the disadvantage is that you won't have more space for /home/opt ... unless you symlink it to /home/user/data | 01:45 |
| kwtm | great, my KDE hex editor froze. Go, KDE4! | 01:45 |
| *** geaaru has joined #maemo | 01:46 | |
| *** zap has quit IRC | 01:46 | |
| *** OkropNick has quit IRC | 01:47 | |
| *** SmilyOrg has joined #maemo | 01:50 | |
| *** geaaru has quit IRC | 01:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: sorry, there are actually a lot of 2048 | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | but probably only one: | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ,768,S | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ,2048,L | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ,,b | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ps: I used less to spot that | 01:52 |
| *** SmilybOrg has quit IRC | 01:53 | |
| *** sobczyk has joined #maemo | 01:54 | |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I don't know whether to strangle you or thank you for taking the time to check now (better now than never). My hex editor found, at offset 0xD1, 'partition {size = 2048; fstype = "ext3" ; prefix = "home" }' You think that's the one, or is it ',2048,L'? | 01:55 |
| LuisCarlos | Hi. Does anyone knnow where to change the amount of seconds HAM looks for updates? | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | DAMN! RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin looks quite a bit different | 01:55 |
| LuisCarlos | I've got an n900 | 01:55 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Do you have the eMMC image file where s/2048/30720/ worked, and see what the few lines before/after looked like? | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | my ,2048,L was from RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | LA^@3362mmc { | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | name = "internal"; | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | partition { | 01:57 |
| *** geaaru has joined #maemo | 01:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer | fs_type = "vfat"; | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | prefix = "mydocs"; | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | no_create = true; | 01:57 |
| *** sobczyk__ has quit IRC | 01:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer | } | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | partition { | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | size = 2048; | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | fs_type = "ext3"; | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | prefix = "home"; | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | } | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | partition { | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | size = 768; | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | fs_type = "swap"; | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | } | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops, sorry | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, that's it | 01:57 |
| Sc0rpius | what happened with the old pastie.org pastebin etc | 01:57 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:57 |
| Sc0rpius | :P | 01:57 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I think that's the one that I found, then. Is that text anywhere near the beginning, offset 0xD1 or so? | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | accident | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:58 |
| kwtm | Sc0rpius: I'm sure he didn't mean to do it. | 01:58 |
| Sc0rpius | I know I know :P | 01:58 |
| kwtm | Ok. I think we should maybe modify the sed s/2048/$BIGNUMBER/ to quit after the first occurrence (not sure how to do it with sed; I know how to do it with awk). | 01:58 |
| kwtm | Anyway, now trying to convince my KDE hex editor to behave like a real KDE program. :( | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | kwtm: yes | 01:59 |
| kwtm | There's a space before 2048, so I think it should work that we do / 2048/30720/ to preserve the file length. | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think we should modify it to s/ size = 2048/ size = ?????/ | 02:00 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Ah, even better idea. Yes, we should do it that way. | 02:00 |
| *** davyg has quit IRC | 02:00 | |
| *** woodong50_______ has joined #maemo | 02:02 | |
| *** mpoirier has joined #maemo | 02:03 | |
| kwtm | Ok, in case you were interested: I did try s/size = 2048/size = 30720/ which makes the file longer by 1 char. It said: Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB \n Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA \n FIASCO subimage data length mismatch. So it does check the length. Now trying modification without changing length. | 02:07 |
| *** BCMM_ has joined #maemo | 02:08 | |
| *** ferulo has quit IRC | 02:08 | |
| kwtm | Now flashing ... it says "erasing CMT". WHat is CMT? Cellular Modem thingy? | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 02:09 |
| *** mpoirier has quit IRC | 02:10 | |
| *** jonne has quit IRC | 02:10 | |
| *** valerius has joined #maemo | 02:12 | |
| kwtm | Okay, so as I said, it proceeded to the "Erasing CMT" part which it hadn't before, so there has been progress made. BUt now it says "SU_PREPARE_DATA_BLOCK_REQ terminated with error code 3." (this is after "Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_002") So it looks like it was putting the "combined" image on and found some error ... I don't even know if it's a real error or some warning. | 02:14 |
| *** mortenvp has joined #maemo | 02:14 | |
| kwtm | Nope, the N900 is non-responsive. | 02:14 |
| kwtm | Any ideas? If no, I'm going to try reflashing with PR 1.2 instead of PR 1.3 | 02:15 |
| *** BCMM has quit IRC | 02:15 | |
| *** BCMM_ is now known as BCMM | 02:15 | |
| *** geaaru has quit IRC | 02:16 | |
| *** jpe_ has quit IRC | 02:16 | |
| *** jonne has joined #maemo | 02:17 | |
| *** NishanthMenon has quit IRC | 02:17 | |
| kwtm | Ok, guys, the N900 is not responding to plugging/unplugging USB, keypresses, or the power button in attempts to reflash those images. | 02:17 |
| *** LuisCarlos has quit IRC | 02:19 | |
| *** SpeedEvil has quit IRC | 02:19 | |
| kwtm | man, this channel is strangely silent now that something's gone wrong, compared to when someone said, "just read the wiki. We're all telling you to read the wiki." | 02:20 |
| *** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo | 02:20 | |
| kwtm | because it's midnight in Europe, right? | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 02:21 |
| *** geaaru has joined #maemo | 02:21 | |
| *** jonne has quit IRC | 02:21 | |
| Venemo | kwtm, it's 01:22 AM in EU | 02:22 |
| *** jonne has joined #maemo | 02:22 | |
| SpeedEvil | No, it's not. | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Well, it is, but not only. | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | It's also 0:22 | 02:22 |
| *** woodong50_______ has quit IRC | 02:25 | |
| *** jonne has quit IRC | 02:26 | |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, did you know how fun C++0x is? | 02:27 |
| tripzero | heaps-o-fun? | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: flashing CMT is a COMBINED thing, unrelated to VANILLA | 02:30 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Well, I guess the question now is: why am I not able to flash? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: but I think 30720 is definitely too keen | 02:31 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: So you think it might just be a matter of extent, and maybe 28G would be ok? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess the flashing CMT does some storing of the cellmo FW to eMMC prior to flashing it to modem from there | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | 28 should be ok | 02:33 |
| kwtm | Ahhh... wow, this is more complex than I thought. Ok, will try 28. That would make sense of the error msg. | 02:33 |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 02:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: nope | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: flasing the safe way (start flasher, plug in N900, insert battery while holding 'u') should still work | 02:36 |
| *** _federico3 has quit IRC | 02:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | unless some bad luck caused NOLO getting damaged, which would need a coldflashing procedure (slightly more complex than usual flashing) | 02:37 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Hmm... it takes quite a bit of acrobatics to insert battery while holding 'u' so I'm inserting the battery (device off) and then holding 'u' while plugging in USB. | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but make sure it doesn't start up on inserting bat. Sometimes it does that | 02:38 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, lambda functions are fun | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, I know those from errr Python? | 02:39 |
| kwtm | Hmm, after flashing the eMMC, now it says Suitable USB device not found, waiting. even though the Nokia is plugged into USB and in fact already flashed partway this way. | 02:39 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I dunno noting about Python | 02:40 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B0x#Lambda_functions_and_expressions | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: after flashing VANILLA you need to shutdown the device by removing bat | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | bug in NOLO | 02:41 |
| kwtm | wtf? I think I may have contributed to my problem --I'm supposed to flash eMMC first and then combined, right? | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 02:41 |
| kwtm | Why did I reverse the order in my script that I wrote last year? I already knew this last year. Strange ... I just never double-checked... | 02:41 |
| *** jrocha has joined #maemo | 02:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | it's irrelevant as long as you don't start the linux kernel in between flashes | 02:42 |
| kwtm | No? It says ... oh. Ok. So my script was right. | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and actually flashing COMBINED last is more safe, except it has that nasty NOLO bug | 02:42 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Okay, so you're saying that although it shouldn't matter which order I flash it in, it's better to have eMMC first, and combined last (as long as I then remove the battery and reinsert after flashing combined). | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | as you may flash COMBINED any time, you of course also may flash it after VANILLA | 02:44 |
| *** madalu has joined #maemo | 02:44 | |
| kwtm | Well, right now it's not flashing vanilla. It says no USB device, and the USB cable is plugged right in. | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, you'll need a bat inserted to flash COMBINED ;-D | 02:44 |
| kwtm | Can I unplug and then replug or will it try to do nasty stuff like boot up again? | 02:44 |
| kwtm | I *did* flash combined ... | 02:45 |
| kwtm | I'm waiting for it to flash eMMC. Remove the battery again? | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | remove and insert bat, flash VANILLA, remove and insert bat, flash COMBINED | 02:46 |
| *** Malin- has quit IRC | 02:46 | |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: That's what I was saying, flash Vanilla first, and you said it didn't matter. Ok, so now I will go trying again with flashing Vanilla first. | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure the device is powered down and hold 'u' while plugging in | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-04-09 01:42:50] <DocScrutinizer> and actually flashing COMBINED last is more safe, except it has that nasty NOLO bug | 02:47 |
| kwtm | [16:43] <kwtm> DocScrutinizer: Okay, so you're saying that although it shouldn't matter which order I flash it in, it's better to have eMMC first, and combined last | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: my [2011-04-09 01:41:45] <DocScrutinizer> no << was ambiguous | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 02:50 |
| *** jrocha has quit IRC | 02:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: and yes, that's what I was saying | 02:51 |
| kwtm | Ok, so now I started over again, removed batt, reinserted (device did not start up by itself), I hold 'u' down and plug in USB. Then it says "USB device found found at bus 001, device address 028. Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 NOLO version 1.4.14 Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_002 Booting device into flash mode. " | 02:52 |
| kwtm | Then it says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting. " so it's not flashing. | 02:53 |
| kwtm | So it's not flashing the eMMC at all. | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a problem of cable or PC | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | or battery of N900 getting weak | 02:53 |
| kwtm | No, because the first time it said "suitable USB device not found/waiting", when I plugged it in, it did give the few lines I gave above. But then it stopped again with USB device not found. Also, I was able to flash firmware. | 02:54 |
| kwtm | battery was full an hour ago. | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | reboot your PC | 02:55 |
| *** scoobertron has quit IRC | 02:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer | or make sure there's no cdc_ether and cdc_lokia module loaded (or was it g_* ?) | 02:56 |
| kwtm | Ok, the "safe way to flash" that you mentioned (batt out, start flasher program, plug in USB, hold down u key, insert battery) does not work and the flasher program does not even detect the USB connection the first time (as opposed to detecting it, spitting out a few lines of output and then hanging at a second "waiting for USB"-type message). | 02:58 |
| kwtm | What does the cdc_ether and cdc_lokia do? I can just rmmod it? | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, timing of the protocol at start of flashing is kinda tricky. Sometimes fails. As long as you flash COMBINED last you can experiment, plug first while holding 'u' and make sure the USB icon is on NOKIA screen, then start flasher | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are both drivers that deal with mass storage and nokiasuite | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | or similar crap, actually phonet | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | phonet is another driver that mustn't be loaded | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | all those may get loaded as soon as you accidentally boot up the N900 while connected | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | modprobe -r is safe | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/lokia/nokia/ | 03:02 |
| kwtm | Thanks for taking the time to help me with this. | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 03:03 |
| kwtm | can you check http://pastie.org/1773974 ? | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 03:06 |
| kwtm | aaarrrghhh... so I've removed module cdc_phonet, and then when I reflash and it hangs at the second "waiting for USB" message, I see that cdc_phonet has been reloaded. How do I tell it not to reload that module? | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | just try with an unmodified image, to make sure | 03:06 |
| *** mesx has quit IRC | 03:06 | |
| kwtm | Good grief, so it looks like Ubuntu has reloaded itself to make it unable to flash my N900... | 03:06 |
| *** villev has quit IRC | 03:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | looks like N900 booted into kernel or sth, you didn't use -R parameter, did you? | 03:07 |
| nox- | do you have a dir /etc/modprobe.d ? | 03:08 |
| kwtm | "-R" parameter with what? You mean the flasher program? | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:08 |
| nox- | if yes you could try putting a blacklist file in there... | 03:08 |
| kwtm | Ohhh... I did. Is that a reboot flag? Damn, I think I switched the order of the image files and also swapped the -R parameter into the first image without moving it to the second image. Ok. | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:09 |
| nox- | DocScrutinizer, if ubuntu loaded cdc_phonet it probably has attached to the device? | 03:09 |
| kwtm | Can I leave out the -R parameter altogether? And reboot manually? | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that's absolutely mandatory | 03:09 |
| nox- | ah | 03:09 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Sorry, what I meant was: to be safe, I don't use -R for either the firmware or eMMC reflash, and then just remove/reinsert battery to reboot? | 03:10 |
| kwtm | Just to be safe, in case in the future I swap the order of those lines again. | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh you're using a script? | 03:11 |
| *** swc|666 has quit IRC | 03:11 | |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Right, I'm using a script so I can make quick changes and also remember a year from now what I did. Is that a problem? | 03:11 |
| kwtm | also, it is still hanging wiht the second "waiting for USB". It seems like cdc_phonet is a more likely culprit now? | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that makes more sense then. I got extremely puzzled why it says "no device found" a second time | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: you need to boot up device for each time you're flashing | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-04-09 01:46:13] <DocScrutinizer> remove and insert bat, flash VANILLA, remove and insert bat, flash COMBINED | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hold 'u' EACH TIME | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hard to do when running from a script | 03:13 |
| *** m1ght3th0r has quit IRC | 03:13 | |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Right, I know that. I've got a wait-for-user thing in between. See http://pastie.org/1773989 Right now the errors are occurring for the eMMC *only* | 03:14 |
| kwtm | In fact, tell you what, I'm going to comment out the firmware reflash entirely and only reflash eMMC. | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | the script method only works when flashing COMBINED first, as on flashing VANILLA NOLO hangs when finished | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then you MUST omit -R on first flasher cmdline - i.e. the COMBINED flashing in that case | 03:16 |
| kwtm | I did omit "-R" on both flasher command lines now --isn't that what http://pastie.org/1773989 shows? | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | as with this sequence the device MUST NOT boot after flashing COMBINED before flashing VANILLA | 03:18 |
| *** LjL has quit IRC | 03:18 | |
| kwtm | Anyway, I commented out the Combined flashing entirely. So now it's flashing only Vanilla. And it's giving the same error message as in http://pastie.org/1773974 | 03:19 |
| kwtm | (In case you haven't noticed, those are two different pasties.) | 03:19 |
| *** Kilroo has quit IRC | 03:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | you tried with an unpatched image file? | 03:20 |
| kwtm | Yes, I tried with an unpatched image file. | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | then that's probably caused by your PC or by cable | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I couldn't think of anything else, except of course weak battery | 03:21 |
| nox- | or ubuntu as i said | 03:22 |
| * kwtm is thinking back to 2.5 hours ago: [14:48] <kwtm> alterego: I don't want to mess this up. ... [14:49] <alterego> Well doesn't matter if you do. You can always do it again :P | 03:22 | |
| nox- | loading that phonet module | 03:22 |
| *** diegohcg has quit IRC | 03:22 | |
| kwtm | It's not a cable. It flashed the firmware fine. Also cables don't work for the first connection, and then after 4 lines of output stop working. The battery was charged to full (it refused to charge further since the battery was already full) and it lasts at least 8 hours if it's not using wifi. | 03:23 |
| kwtm | Will check that phonet module ... nox-, you were saying something about a module.d directory? | 03:23 |
| nox- | yeah | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: flashing eats lots of battery. NOLO has no powwr management | 03:24 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: So ... then what? Can I recharge the battery while in the N900 is improperly reflashed? | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | but as long as it starts with usb icon on NOKIA screen, the battery should be ok | 03:25 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: It does start with USB icon on (dark) Nokia screen. | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | then it's probably your PC | 03:26 |
| kwtm | nox-: I see now that you said /etc/modprobe.d, but within that directory, "grep phonet *" reveals nothing. | 03:26 |
| *** trbs has quit IRC | 03:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer | blacklist | 03:26 |
| nox- | yeah thats fine, try putting a file in there with `blacklist cdc_phonet' | 03:27 |
| kwtm | not sure how to blacklist it. Under what filename should I file this blacklist? | 03:27 |
| nox- | something like /etc/modprobe.d/custom-backlist | 03:27 |
| nox- | then rmmod it and try again | 03:27 |
| pupnik | hey nox, my client is starting to come together http://i.imgur.com/5cLXT.jpg | 03:28 |
| pupnik | i the layout of elements is starting to settle-in to 'optimal' | 03:28 |
| nox- | which game is that? (/me not much of a gamer :) | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Looking good. | 03:29 |
| pupnik | thanks | 03:30 |
| *** Dhraakellian is now known as The3_14ed|r | 03:30 | |
| pupnik | says so on the pic :) | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | A bit busy. But ... | 03:30 |
| pupnik | well it's kind of stats-driven | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:31 |
| pupnik | i've hidden away a lot already | 03:31 |
| *** The3_14ed|r is now known as Dhraakellian | 03:31 | |
| SpeedEvil | The top bar is what - inventory? | 03:31 |
| pupnik | quickslots | 03:31 |
| kwtm | nox-: There is a cdc_phonet and a phonet. Do I need to blacklist both? | 03:31 |
| pupnik | bound to wertyuio | 03:31 |
| pupnik | (no F1-F8 available) | 03:31 |
| nox- | kwtm, dunno, but i guess wouldnt hurt | 03:32 |
| kwtm | nox-: THere is also a cdc_acm. That's okay? | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: then look at lsmod, and rmmod / modprobe -r all *phonet* | 03:33 |
| nox- | kwtm, i doubt n900 would use that | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | rmmod it | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't hurt either | 03:33 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Ok, now "lsmod | grep phonet" gives no output. Think it's all gone | 03:33 |
| nox- | true | 03:33 |
| kwtm | Ok, so the flasher script is still giving the same response, hanging after the second "waiting for USB". There is no output from "lsmod | grep phonet" . | 03:36 |
| nox- | :( | 03:36 |
| *** Venemo has quit IRC | 03:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | basically you can rmmod all you suspect and like to do. rmmod won't remove any modules that are in use | 03:36 |
| nox- | anything else like cdc? | 03:36 |
| nox- | yes | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'd really ask you to enter this one cmdline directly to a root xterm | 03:37 |
| kwtm | Here's a clue: when I reinsert the batt, then slide out the keyboard, then hold down u, then insert the USB cable, then the dark nokia screen *with* the USB symbol comes up ... but then the USB symbol disappears. Is that a clue? And the charger LED is glowing steady orange (not flashing orange like when charging) | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | not via script | 03:37 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: But if rmmod didn't work if the module is in use, wouldn't lsmod show it? | 03:37 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Okay, I will enter that command via root to command line, instead of in a script. | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: I just meant it's safe to rmmod * | 03:38 |
| kwtm | Actually, let me try one more thing before I panic. | 03:38 |
| kwtm | Okay, so there's one thing that works, and has consistently worked: | 03:39 |
| kwtm | flashing the firmware. | 03:39 |
| *** wijiji has quit IRC | 03:40 | |
| kwtm | So I commented out the "flashing eMMC" line in the script, and uncommented in the "flashing firmware". So it's happily flashing the firmware now. (right now it's on the erasing CMT step) | 03:40 |
| *** xd13 has joined #maemo | 03:40 | |
| kwtm | So I think that pretty much rules out any cable/battery/phonet thing, right? | 03:40 |
| *** wijiji has joined #maemo | 03:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | please rmmod all suspicious cdc_* and *phonet*, then plug in the device while holding 'u' (without flasher started!) and see if the USB icon stays there for at least 30s. Then start flasher cmd for COMBINED, without -R | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | right | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | but still I'm very unhappy about that script, as it adds complexity and points of failure | 03:43 |
| kwtm | I'm going to try something first --not disrespecting your advice, just trying this. I've flashed the firmware. Now I'm going to let it boot up and see what it does. Whatever firmware is left in there... | 03:43 |
| *** mveplus has joined #maemo | 03:43 | |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Are you serious? For me the script makes things a lot simpler and easier to test, I have a record of what happened, etc. It's basically exactly what I would type on the commandline, except I don't have to misspell filenames/options, etc. | 03:43 |
| kwtm | I am actually very nervous about typing anything on the command line. WIth a script I can proof read it first. | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and your pastebins don't show any cmdline | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | please at least add set -v to top of your script | 03:45 |
| nox- | you mean -x ? | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | or that | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I'm tired | 03:46 |
| *** Kilroo has joined #maemo | 03:46 | |
| kwtm | Ok, well, it's booted up. I guess the firmware works. Now I have a blank N900. I think for now I'll just reload everything. | 03:46 |
| kwtm | The vfat ~/MyDocs is still 27G and /home is still 2GB. I think I'll leave it and go repartition some other time. | 03:46 |
| kwtm | How do I tell whether it's PR 1.2 or PR 1.3? | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think you urgently should check what mount and df -h are telling you | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 03:47 |
| kwtm | mount and df -h are saying okay things. | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | settings, about product | 03:48 |
| kwtm | But non-ideal. It's still the old partitioning. I'm going to turn it in for a while. I need to check if I got voicemail (I have a potential new employer) and I couldn't without cell phone. | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | CHARGE!! | 03:48 |
| kwtm | Way ahead of you. Was charging before I typed "mount " "df -h". | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 03:48 |
| kwtm | Maemo 5 version 20.2010.36 --is that PR 1.3? | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:49 |
| kwtm | Man, I almost forgot where to find settings, with my customizations all gone. | 03:49 |
| kwtm | Thank you DocScrutinizer. And my lesson is: never trust someone who says, "It's easy! Just read the wiki! None of us have had problems!" | 03:49 |
| nox- | wont it copy stuff to opt for a few mins now after a fresh flash? | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | my suspicion is the edit of VANILLA didn't pan out | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:50 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: No, I tried flashing the unmodified firmware and it didn't work, remember? | 03:50 |
| nox- | so may want to wait for that to finish first | 03:50 |
| kwtm | I mean unmodified eMMC. | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I was unhappy with the script | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | too easy to forget about correct filename, and try over and over with the wrong cmdline | 03:51 |
| kwtm | Well, the script doesn't edit Vanilla. I manually edited vanilla. The script just sets $EMMC_IMAGE_FILENAME (I didn't show that part of the script) | 03:52 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Oh, it shows the filename before it flashes. Do you want the full script? | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | happy it recovered so far | 03:52 |
| kwtm | It checks the filename, makes sure it exists, displays it to the user, waits for the user to press Enter, then flashes one, then waits for Enter, then flashes another. | 03:52 |
| kwtm | And comments in my script show all the different filenames I've tried. So I can track which is which. | 03:52 |
| kwtm | Yeah, I'm too happy about it just working to be frustrated. | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: flashing getting right first time sometimes is a bit frustrating. You probably should've tried without customizations first, to get familiar with the pitfalls | 03:54 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I did. I've flashed before, last year. That's why I have the script. And it went smoothly once I knew what I was doing. | 03:54 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Heck, I ended up flashing twice a day to track down that stupid forever-dots bug that no one believed me about. | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | also quite possible the 'old' VANILLA simply doesn't work on the PR1.3 | 03:55 |
| kwtm | ?? What? I did not find a new VANILLA for the new PR 1.3 on the web site. | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all the new one looks massively different | 03:56 |
| kwtm | I was surprised that they would be using the old Vanilla, too, but when I tried to download "the lastest Vanilla", I found that I already had a file with the same exact filename. | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, you edited the one with the plain text, no? | 03:56 |
| kwtm | Since the version number is part of the filename, it looks like it's the same file (unless they changed the file but kept the filename) | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather your 'unpatched' version of VANILLA also been the old one | 03:57 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: What do you mean? I had RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin from before already (which is current, according to the web site); then I edited it and saved it as Vanilla_30G.bin and another as Vanilla_28G.bin (not the real filename but you get the idea). So I was unable to flash the old RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin is the 'old' one | 03:58 |
| kwtm | Yes, the "unpatched" was the old file. In fact, to make sure I didn't edit it by mistake, I did chmod -w on it. | 03:58 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Is there a newer version of Vanilla? What is it called? I didn't see it on the web site. | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 03:59 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: That's the combined firmware. Weren't we talking about the Vanilla eMMC? | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops | 04:00 |
| *** mer_ge has quit IRC | 04:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry I'm definitely too tired | 04:00 |
| pupnik | mhm same | 04:01 |
| kwtm | Well, you should definitely get some sleep. Thanks for your help anyway. But as far as I can tell, I did everything by the book and we have an undiagnosed problem with flashing the firmware (which I have already flashed before, a year ago) which is not explained by my computer, cable, battery, etc. | 04:01 |
| kwtm | Probably just another case of the "oh yeah, kwtm found a new bug --sorry about that, we never noticed that one before". >sigh< | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | somewhat, yes | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I guess the relatively small number of samples allows for a mere coincidence | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | try again flashing plain VANILLA tomorrow. I guess it will work then | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 04:03 |
| kwtm | I *am* flashing with plain Vanilla ... and it *is* tomorrow! (at least for you) | 04:03 |
| kwtm | anyway... I'm going to try flashing with Windows. | 04:03 |
| kwtm | actually, I'll try PR 1.2 first. | 04:04 |
| *** willer_ has quit IRC | 04:04 | |
| kwtm | I've spent too much time on this not to try everything else and make this time a big waste. | 04:04 |
| *** pupnik_ has joined #maemo | 04:05 | |
| nox- | wait for the charge to finish first i guess... | 04:05 |
| Sazpaimon | how do I get maemo to automount a non vfat sd card | 04:06 |
| *** pupnik has quit IRC | 04:06 | |
| Sazpaimon | i have my sd card format hfsplus, and i can manually mount it fine, but it doesnt mount when inserting | 04:06 |
| nox- | bbl | 04:09 |
| cehteh | Sazpaimon: the setup is a bit fucked up you have to go over all the scripts and stuff | 04:09 |
| Sazpaimon | :/ | 04:10 |
| * cehteh just commented everything out and mounting it from a handwritten fstab | 04:10 | |
| cehteh | automatically on boot, but not on remove/insert | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | desktop execution widget FTW | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | or QueenBeecon | 04:11 |
| Sazpaimon | well, its not a big deal | 04:11 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont expect it to remain hfsplus for much loger | 04:11 |
| *** sid_ has joined #maemo | 04:11 | |
| Sazpaimon | *longer | 04:11 |
| Sazpaimon | I needed to make a liveusb install of OSx | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm amazed we got a driver for hfsplus | 04:12 |
| Sazpaimon | we didn't | 04:12 |
| Sazpaimon | i backported hfsutils from sid | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 04:12 |
| Sazpaimon | which was a simple process actually | 04:12 |
| Sazpaimon | i think hfsutils is just a usermode library | 04:12 |
| kwtm | Actually, since I know that I can repartition as root, it's not worthwhile trying the reflash | 04:13 |
| nox- | oh so its via fuse? | 04:13 |
| cehteh | is hfs+ supported on sdcards in the iphone .. oh stop .. iphone has no card slot :P | 04:13 |
| Sazpaimon | it isn't via fuse, actually | 04:13 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont know how it works without a driver | 04:13 |
| cehteh | the titan kernel may even have hfs+ | 04:13 |
| cehteh | what kernel do you use? stock? | 04:13 |
| Sazpaimon | titan | 04:14 |
| *** PolarFox has quit IRC | 04:14 | |
| *** sid__ has quit IRC | 04:14 | |
| cehteh | likely supports hfs+ | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: to repartition you have to umount /home (->/opt) | 04:14 |
| *** mortenvp has quit IRC | 04:15 | |
| Sazpaimon | cehteh, i dont think so, hfs kernel support wasnt a dependency for the package | 04:15 |
| Sazpaimon | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/hfsutils the debian package isnt very descriptive | 04:16 |
| cehteh | Sazpaimon: it isnt .. the userland tools work on the raw device and dont need kernel support | 04:16 |
| cehteh | you need kernel support when you want to mount the device, thats all | 04:16 |
| *** PolarFox has joined #maemo | 04:16 | |
| Sazpaimon | how does the titan kernel have features, are they compiled in or modules | 04:16 |
| cehteh | if you only use the phone as expensive card-reader which exports the raw device too, then kernel support isnt needed eitehr | 04:16 |
| Sazpaimon | i can just lsmod it | 04:16 |
| cehteh | prolly modules | 04:16 |
| cehteh | you can mount it .. so your kernel supports it | 04:17 |
| nox- | anyway im off | 04:17 |
| *** nox- has quit IRC | 04:17 | |
| Sazpaimon | yeah i guess i cant argue that | 04:17 |
| cehteh | cat /proc/filesystems | 04:17 |
| *** teilzeitstudent has quit IRC | 04:17 | |
| Sazpaimon | cehteh, hfsplus isnt listed | 04:18 |
| cehteh | but you mounted it on the device? | 04:19 |
| Sazpaimon | unles I was mistaken | 04:19 |
| cehteh | ah while its mounted .. it only lists loaded filesystems | 04:19 |
| cehteh | /lib/modules/2.6.28.10power46/hfsplus.ko | 04:20 |
| cehteh | there it is | 04:20 |
| Sazpaimon | /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type hfsplus (0) | 04:21 |
| cehteh | :) | 04:21 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah there it is | 04:21 |
| Sazpaimon | it made its way to filesystems | 04:21 |
| Sazpaimon | so what does hfsutils even do | 04:21 |
| cehteh | creating/checking a hfs filesystem? | 04:21 |
| Sazpaimon | it has an hvol, hmount, hcopy, etc files | 04:22 |
| cehteh | some *fs-utils come with mount helpers, but i guess thats not the case for hfs+ | 04:22 |
| *** chainsawbike has quit IRC | 04:22 | |
| cehteh | i dont know the hfs+ userland | 04:22 |
| Sazpaimon | Usage: hmount source-path [partition-no] | 04:22 |
| Sazpaimon | ineresting | 04:22 |
| cehteh | xfs is strange enough :P | 04:22 |
| cehteh | (i dont use that either :P) | 04:22 |
| Sazpaimon | i think the mount helpers is the hfsprogs package | 04:23 |
| Sazpaimon | that's some good forward thinking, including an hfsplus module | 04:24 |
| Sazpaimon | nobody even requested that | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then missing out the ISO9660 or some other module, needed for plugging in a DVD drive to h-e-n :-/ | 04:27 |
| SpeedEvil | you can format DVDs as ext3 | 04:28 |
| cehteh | UDF | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yoh, but not playback DrHouse | 04:28 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Well, I plan to do what SpeedEvil did and: umount ~/MyDocs, delete and create new smaller partition also vfat and remount ~/MyDocs, then use leftover space to have big ext3 partition, probably mounting it under /mount/bigext3 or some such directory. Then move everything in opt over to a subdir inside it (say /mount/bigext3/opt) and symlink opt to that. | 04:28 |
| cehteh | /lib/modules/2.6.28.10power46/isofs.ko | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | kwtm: The problem is the leftover space will not automount. | 04:28 |
| cehteh | /lib/modules/2.6.28.10power46/udf.ko | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't care about this, as it's media stuff I don't want indecxtd. | 04:29 |
| cehteh | all there .. | 04:29 |
| *** chainsawbike has joined #maemo | 04:29 | |
| Sazpaimon | hm, all hfsprogs gives is mkfs.hfsplus and fsck.hfsplus | 04:29 |
| kwtm | Okay, I need help: this is not doing anything: dpkg --set-selections < (file I previously stored output of dpkg --get-selections) Why isn't it reinstalling? (Yes, I am root.) | 04:29 |
| kwtm | SpeedEvil: What do you mean? I can't put it in fstab? | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | kwtm: no | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | kwtm: fstab is autogenerated | 04:29 |
| cehteh | you can disable that :P | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Some awk script in /etc/I.forget/ | 04:30 |
| cehteh | a few # at the right places | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | True. | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I prefer to screw with system scripts as little as possible. | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | For ovious reasons. | 04:30 |
| cehteh | well .. if the are that broken | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=971219#post971219 | 04:32 |
| kwtm | N900 doesn't charge when turned off, right? (Like, "off" off, not "i turned off the screen" off) | 04:32 |
| cehteh | ah :) | 04:32 |
| *** chainsawbike has quit IRC | 04:33 | |
| cehteh | kwtm: it boots into an act-dead mode when you plug in power | 04:33 |
| kwtm | Oh good. Thx, cehteh | 04:33 |
| Sazpaimon | doesnt that apply for every nokia phone, if not every phone | 04:34 |
| cehteh | sidenote .. usb hubs dont provide power when the computer they are attached too is turned off .. even when the hub is powered by a AC-adapter | 04:34 |
| cehteh | at least thats true for mine | 04:34 |
| *** chainsawbike has joined #maemo | 04:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: That varies | 04:34 |
| Sazpaimon | cehteh, some machines still supply some power to the usb ports | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: Cheaper powered hubs don't isolate the outputs. | 04:35 |
| cehteh | maybe .. but its pita, i once turned the computer off and my n900 drained to zero :P | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - sometimes USB standby is enabled. | 04:35 |
| Sazpaimon | use an xbox 360 | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | This helps keyboard-wake fore xample work | 04:35 |
| Sazpaimon | that keeps power to the usb ports when turned off | 04:35 |
| cehteh | mhm maybe i shall enable keyboard/usb wakeup in the bios. .. that miht help | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | See if you can turn on 'powerr insuspend or similar in BIOS or OS | 04:36 |
| kwtm | I was trying to figure out what the first thing I would install is on a N900 that's been wiped clean ... turns out it's the keyboard remap cuz I can't stand having to bring up that symbols screen every time I want to type {} [] | ~ or ^ :P | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 04:36 |
| cehteh | well usually this computer runs 24/7 | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | For me it's fleshlight. | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | flashlight | 04:36 |
| cehteh | haha | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Or opensshd | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Or fbreader | 04:36 |
| cehteh | apropos status report .. how far is megoo on the n900, useable yet? | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: why don't you restore? | 04:37 |
| BCMM | kwtm: i keep meaning to look in to that, for LaTeX - how does that work? which symbols does it get rid of? | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: Someone came to visit, using meego for something. It looked unusable. | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, two days ago I seen a post on #meego: "embarrassing! I have to boot to maemo, as I need a working device" | 04:39 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I didn't backup using the built-in backup utility. I did dpkg --get-selections > filename. Everything is there when I list the file. It's just that dpkg --set-selections doens't seem to do what I thought it would do. | 04:39 |
| cehteh | ok | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | (I don't know if they werre using the most recent version though) | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: dpkg won't restore your settings etc | 04:40 |
| kwtm | BCMM: What do you mean? If you're referring to the keyboard, I've put {}[]<>~^|% without getting rid of any other keys. | 04:40 |
| BCMM | kwtm: how's that work? | 04:40 |
| *** jonne has joined #maemo | 04:40 | |
| BCMM | three-button combos? | 04:41 |
| kwtm | BCMM: Also I got rid of that stupid ? for Shift-Fn ., so I can actually do Fn-lock and type in numbers with decimal points. Also it's ridiculous that the space bar doesn't give a space when I press Fn so I changed that. | 04:41 |
| kwtm | BCMM: Yeah, 3-button combos are great, as long as you avoid certain keys that actually end up typing two keys. Like Shift-Fn-J will type that character plus whatever's define for Shift-Fn-K. Something to do with the way the hardware is. | 04:41 |
| kwtm | It works if you do Shift(release)- Fn (release) - J | 04:42 |
| kwtm | BCMM: It works great, and I can't work without it. I mean, even if you don't do bash programming, even typing a percent sign in everyday email usage is a chore without keyboard remapping. | 04:42 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Oh once I've got all the programs restored, I can do an rsync from my home server, which has ~/ backed up. | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Especially due to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 | 04:43 |
| povbot` | Bug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard. | 04:43 |
| *** jonne has quit IRC | 04:45 | |
| *** jonne has joined #maemo | 04:46 | |
| *** BCMM has quit IRC | 04:47 | |
| *** KMFDM has quit IRC | 04:47 | |
| kwtm | Thank $DEITY the N900 has a few basic utilities like sed already onboard. 3 cheers for busybox! | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 04:49 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 04:49 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Yes yes, I know about busybox and scripting. I mean that I had sed to edit my selections list so I can apt-get install the whole list of files without having to do it manually, so that it will install packages like bash. | 04:51 |
| kwtm | What I mean is, it's a good thing that, without installing bash, there is busybox. We all have our freedom to be grateful to an extent of our choice, and mine is a great extent. | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I meant I'd prefer they had opted for bash + tools and no busybox at all | 04:55 |
| kwtm | Well, busybox is great for systems with limited memory ... and I'm not sure I want bash executing my scripts on the N900. | 04:55 |
| kwtm | Especially bootup scripts. They're slower on bash. | 04:55 |
| kwtm | So now we have the best of both worlds! :) | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: how much slower? | 04:58 |
| * SpeedEvil can't find his bechmarks. | 04:59 | |
| SpeedEvil | It was a fair bit slower. | 04:59 |
| SpeedEvil | i think I worked out likely 1-2s boot | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 04:59 |
| *** sobczyk_ has joined #maemo | 04:59 | |
| *** panaggio_ has quit IRC | 05:01 | |
| *** sobczyk has quit IRC | 05:03 | |
| *** m1ght3th0r has joined #maemo | 05:04 | |
| *** befr0d has joined #maemo | 05:10 | |
| kwtm | Sorry, was watching the dpkg script scroll by. I don't know how much slower | 05:18 |
| *** pcfe has quit IRC | 05:18 | |
| *** pcfe has joined #maemo | 05:19 | |
| *** pcfe has quit IRC | 05:19 | |
| *** pcfe has joined #maemo | 05:19 | |
| *** orospakr has quit IRC | 05:21 | |
| *** orospakr has joined #maemo | 05:21 | |
| *** DrGrov has left #maemo | 05:27 | |
| *** Evanescence has joined #maemo | 05:30 | |
| *** maybeWTF has joined #maemo | 05:30 | |
| *** maybeHere has quit IRC | 05:34 | |
| *** madalu has quit IRC | 05:49 | |
| *** DrGrov has joined #maemo | 06:02 | |
| *** Jade has quit IRC | 06:02 | |
| *** DrGrov has quit IRC | 06:06 | |
| *** DrGrov has joined #maemo | 06:07 | |
| *** DrGrov has left #maemo | 06:07 | |
| *** npm has quit IRC | 06:12 | |
| *** npm has joined #maemo | 06:15 | |
| *** jonne has quit IRC | 06:25 | |
| *** jonne has joined #maemo | 06:25 | |
| *** ferdna has joined #maemo | 06:31 | |
| *** ferulo has joined #maemo | 06:32 | |
| *** lucent_ has quit IRC | 06:32 | |
| *** radic_ has quit IRC | 06:44 | |
| *** ferdna has quit IRC | 06:45 | |
| *** ferdna has joined #maemo | 06:50 | |
| *** erstazi_ is now known as erstazi | 06:56 | |
| *** radic has joined #maemo | 06:57 | |
| *** sid has joined #maemo | 07:01 | |
| *** kimitake is now known as kimitake_idle | 07:02 | |
| *** The_Fellow has joined #maemo | 07:02 | |
| *** befr0d has quit IRC | 07:21 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC | 07:34 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer has joined #maemo | 07:34 | |
| *** jonne has quit IRC | 07:37 | |
| *** ferdna has quit IRC | 07:38 | |
| *** jonne has joined #maemo | 07:38 | |
| *** mitsutaka has joined #maemo | 07:41 | |
| *** mikhas_ has joined #maemo | 07:44 | |
| *** tilppis has joined #maemo | 07:46 | |
| *** ferdna has joined #maemo | 07:46 | |
| *** mikhas has quit IRC | 07:48 | |
| *** lucent_ has joined #maemo | 07:49 | |
| *** Vid_ has quit IRC | 07:51 | |
| *** Vid has joined #maemo | 07:52 | |
| *** jonne has quit IRC | 07:55 | |
| *** andi3 has quit IRC | 08:03 | |
| *** djszapi has joined #maemo | 08:12 | |
| djszapi | from which library does the media player try to grab the video files ? | 08:12 |
| djszapi | it is a bit strange I cannot open files frm arbitrary locations... | 08:14 |
| *** radic has quit IRC | 08:19 | |
| *** der_moder has joined #maemo | 08:21 | |
| *** radic has joined #maemo | 08:27 | |
| *** avs has joined #maemo | 08:28 | |
| *** tilppis has quit IRC | 08:40 | |
| *** lucent_ has quit IRC | 08:40 | |
| *** ferulo has quit IRC | 08:40 | |
| *** slonopotamus has joined #maemo | 08:42 | |
| *** npm has quit IRC | 08:43 | |
| *** npm has joined #maemo | 08:44 | |
| *** avs has quit IRC | 08:45 | |
| *** mitsutaka has quit IRC | 08:47 | |
| *** mitsutaka has joined #maemo | 08:53 | |
| *** tchan has quit IRC | 08:59 | |
| *** Natunen has joined #maemo | 09:01 | |
| *** mitsutaka has quit IRC | 09:01 | |
| *** mitsutaka has joined #maemo | 09:07 | |
| *** MacDrunk has joined #maemo | 09:16 | |
| *** tchan has joined #maemo | 09:17 | |
| *** drack has quit IRC | 09:29 | |
| *** lucent_ has joined #maemo | 09:30 | |
| *** davyg has joined #maemo | 09:35 | |
| *** slonopotamus has quit IRC | 09:39 | |
| *** buntfalke has joined #maemo | 09:42 | |
| *** hannesw has joined #maemo | 09:44 | |
| *** mitsutaka has quit IRC | 09:45 | |
| *** Flipi|BNC is now known as Flipi | 09:46 | |
| *** thuttu77 has joined #maemo | 09:47 | |
| *** Flipi is now known as Flipi|BNC | 09:49 | |
| *** mitsutaka has joined #maemo | 09:49 | |
| *** pcacjr has quit IRC | 10:02 | |
| *** robbiethe1st has joined #maemo | 10:02 | |
| *** lmoura has quit IRC | 10:03 | |
| *** mitsutaka has quit IRC | 10:03 | |
| *** lucent_ has quit IRC | 10:05 | |
| *** lmoura has joined #maemo | 10:06 | |
| *** Termana has joined #maemo | 10:08 | |
| Termana | good morning | 10:08 |
| *** thomastp has joined #maemo | 10:09 | |
| *** Cor-Ai has joined #maemo | 10:09 | |
| *** mitsutaka has joined #maemo | 10:12 | |
| djszapi | any idea for mplayer and media player issues ? | 10:16 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure what you mean by what library | 10:17 |
| djszapi | * folder | 10:17 |
| djszapi | so where should I put my ogv file to in order to appear in the main screen of the media player when I launch it ? | 10:18 |
| thomastp | jeremiah_: ping | 10:18 |
| MohammadAG | tracker | 10:18 |
| djszapi | tracker ? | 10:19 |
| *** ftrvxmtrx has quit IRC | 10:20 | |
| *** [lutunen] has joined #maemo | 10:21 | |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: care too ellaborate ? | 10:21 |
| djszapi | * to | 10:21 |
| MohammadAG | what mime type does the ogv file have? | 10:21 |
| djszapi | no idea | 10:22 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 10:22 |
| djszapi | "..." ? | 10:22 |
| MohammadAG | run "file -i somefile.ogv" in terminal | 10:23 |
| MohammadAG | somefile should obviously be a valid ogv file | 10:23 |
| djszapi | Communication_as_a_Service_what_Telepathy_is_bringing_to_the_KDE_Software_Compilation-George_Goldberg.ogv: application/ogg; charset=binary | 10:23 |
| djszapi | well, it can played on my desktop PC. | 10:23 |
| djszapi | * be | 10:23 |
| *** florian has joined #maemo | 10:23 | |
| *** Natunen has quit IRC | 10:24 | |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 10:24 |
| MohammadAG | check if it's the same mime type on the N900 | 10:24 |
| MohammadAG | anyway | 10:24 |
| MohammadAG | tracker-register-mimetype -c Videos -a application/ogg | 10:24 |
| djszapi | it worked previously. | 10:24 |
| MohammadAG | killall mafw-dbus-wrapper | 10:24 |
| djszapi | where does the mediaplayer get the video files from ? | 10:27 |
| djszapi | which folder does it analyze ? | 10:27 |
| djszapi | on my N900: file -i Communication_as_a_Service_what_Telepathy_is_bringing_to_the_KDE_Software_Compilation-George_Goldberg.ogv | 10:28 |
| djszapi | -sh: file: not found | 10:28 |
| *** pcacjr has joined #maemo | 10:29 | |
| *** pcacjr has joined #maemo | 10:29 | |
| *** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC | 10:29 | |
| *** mitsutaka has quit IRC | 10:30 | |
| *** Malin_ has joined #maemo | 10:30 | |
| *** ftrvxmtrx has joined #maemo | 10:31 | |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 10:33 | |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 10:33 | |
| *** mitsutaka has joined #maemo | 10:34 | |
| *** ferdna_ has joined #maemo | 10:34 | |
| *** Malin_ has quit IRC | 10:38 | |
| djszapi | How can I open an ogv file with the mediaplayer ? | 10:48 |
| *** OkropNick has joined #maemo | 10:50 | |
| *** larsivi has joined #maemo | 10:53 | |
| *** geaaru has quit IRC | 10:53 | |
| *** SmilybOrg has joined #maemo | 10:54 | |
| *** andi3 has joined #maemo | 10:55 | |
| *** SmilyOrg has quit IRC | 10:58 | |
| *** SmilybOrg has quit IRC | 11:04 | |
| *** SmilybOrg has joined #maemo | 11:04 | |
| *** jhb has joined #maemo | 11:08 | |
| *** mitsutaka has quit IRC | 11:09 | |
| *** mesx has joined #maemo | 11:09 | |
| *** mitsutaka has joined #maemo | 11:09 | |
| *** SmilyOrg has joined #maemo | 11:15 | |
| *** florian has joined #maemo | 11:16 | |
| *** pupnik_ is now known as pupnik | 11:17 | |
| *** SmilybOrg has quit IRC | 11:18 | |
| *** hannesw has joined #maemo | 11:22 | |
| *** AdmiralSausage has joined #maemo | 11:22 | |
| *** eMHa has quit IRC | 11:23 | |
| *** crs has quit IRC | 11:26 | |
| *** scoobertron has joined #maemo | 11:29 | |
| *** SmilybOrg has joined #maemo | 11:33 | |
| *** AdmiralSausage has left #maemo | 11:34 | |
| *** SmilyOrg has quit IRC | 11:36 | |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 11:43 | |
| *** ferdna__ has joined #maemo | 11:43 | |
| *** _0x47 has joined #maemo | 11:46 | |
| *** AdmiralSausage has joined #maemo | 11:48 | |
| *** nszeek has joined #maemo | 11:53 | |
| *** NIN101 has joined #maemo | 11:53 | |
| nszeek | Anyone can tell me what does the following messages on my nokia n900 (dmesg) means ? [ 322.869689] adp1653 2-0030: failed writing fault register | 11:53 |
| nszeek | [ 322.870361] video4linux video0: can't power up slaves | 11:53 |
| SpeedEvil | The adp1653 is the focus control I think. | 11:55 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 11:56 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry - it's the flash controller | 11:56 |
| nszeek | SpeedEvil: Any idea if this is a hardware issue or a software issue ? | 11:56 |
| SpeedEvil | At first glance, a hardware issue. | 11:56 |
| nszeek | SpeedEvil: Thanks. | 11:57 |
| *** _0x47 has quit IRC | 11:58 | |
| *** Jade has joined #maemo | 12:00 | |
| *** chx is now known as chx_zzz | 12:00 | |
| SpeedEvil | Though the datasheet suggests that the fault register is read-only. | 12:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe it's sloppy wording. | 12:02 |
| nszeek | SpeedEvil: Been trying to get my camera to work for quite some time now ... even re-flashing the device doesn't work. | 12:03 |
| nszeek | I am about to take it to some sort of tech support | 12:04 |
| SpeedEvil | My first guess would be that it's an actual hardware failure. | 12:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm currently finding the source - as that message is odd. | 12:05 |
| *** jhb has quit IRC | 12:05 | |
| nszeek | Could be I guess. However I bought the phone outside my country so Nokia doesn't provide "support" for it in my country. I will have to take it to an outside consultant or something which can't be good (the guy I spoke to didn't even know how to reflash the device). | 12:05 |
| *** ZZzzZzzz has joined #maemo | 12:05 | |
| *** ferdna has quit IRC | 12:06 | |
| *** ferdna_ has quit IRC | 12:06 | |
| *** ferdna__ has quit IRC | 12:06 | |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - the driver wording is bad - but it means the same - it can't clear a fault condition from the flash driver for some reason. | 12:08 |
| nszeek | As in hardware fault condition ? | 12:09 |
| SpeedEvil | yrs | 12:10 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 12:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually - on closer reading - it's probably not getting any response from the flash driver at all. | 12:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It's failing to write the status reset register. | 12:11 |
| SpeedEvil | And then erroring out. | 12:11 |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 12:11 | |
| nszeek | Well, thanks. Guess I will take it to the tech support tomorrow then and hope the guy doesn't break it even further | 12:11 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you could compile a kernel to ignore the flash - that assumes there are not further hardware problems though. I would guess at this point you need the flash driver chip replaced. After checking that it's getting power. | 12:16 |
| *** lucent_ has joined #maemo | 12:16 | |
| *** mlpug has joined #maemo | 12:17 | |
| nszeek | I found some threads on the maemo forums saying I should try new kernels ... didn't help. Installing some pre-compiled fcam-drivers didn't help either ... | 12:17 |
| *** scoobertron has quit IRC | 12:20 | |
| *** buntfalke has quit IRC | 12:22 | |
| *** zap has joined #maemo | 12:23 | |
| *** eMHa has joined #maemo | 12:24 | |
| *** tackat has joined #maemo | 12:25 | |
| *** jpe_ has joined #maemo | 12:25 | |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 12:26 | |
| *** lardman has joined #maemo | 12:27 | |
| *** lardman has quit IRC | 12:27 | |
| *** lardman has joined #maemo | 12:27 | |
| *** jhb has joined #maemo | 12:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | :( | 12:28 |
| lardman | morning chaps | 12:28 |
| *** tackat has quit IRC | 12:29 | |
| *** tackat has joined #maemo | 12:31 | |
| *** mortenvp has joined #maemo | 12:32 | |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps. | 12:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I remain to be convinced. | 12:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - sure - the clock says 10:30, the sun is shining in, but for it to be truly morning, I'd need to have gotten out of bed. | 12:33 |
| *** bleeter has quit IRC | 12:34 | |
| *** voltagex has quit IRC | 12:34 | |
| *** rcg has joined #maemo | 12:35 | |
| *** tackat has quit IRC | 12:35 | |
| lardman | do you not find the top heaviness of the N900 makes typing on your back dangerous - broken nose/teeth/etc could result ;) | 12:36 |
| nszeek | lol, what ? | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm lying down, using a keyboard on my lap (under the covers). | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | (and not the n900) | 12:36 |
| maybeWTF | i actually had it fall on my head once while watchin tv episodes in bed & falling asleep | 12:36 |
| lardman | :) | 12:37 |
| *** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo | 12:37 | |
| *** voltagex has joined #maemo | 12:40 | |
| *** bleeter has joined #maemo | 12:40 | |
| * lardman starts rootstock running | 12:41 | |
| *** tackat has joined #maemo | 12:41 | |
| *** kthomas has quit IRC | 12:42 | |
| *** kthomas_vh_ has quit IRC | 12:42 | |
| *** kthomas has joined #maemo | 12:42 | |
| *** kthomas_vh_ has joined #maemo | 12:42 | |
| *** NIN101 has joined #maemo | 12:43 | |
| *** mookie has joined #maemo | 12:43 | |
| *** jhb has quit IRC | 12:43 | |
| *** mc_teo has joined #maemo | 12:44 | |
| MohammadAG | alterego, ping | 12:45 |
| *** mesx has quit IRC | 12:46 | |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 12:47 | |
| *** NIN101 has joined #maemo | 12:48 | |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 12:49 | |
| *** NIN101 has joined #maemo | 12:51 | |
| *** Rarok has joined #maemo | 12:53 | |
| *** chainsawbike has quit IRC | 12:53 | |
| *** mikhas_ is now known as mikhas | 12:53 | |
| *** sid has quit IRC | 12:54 | |
| *** geaaru has joined #maemo | 12:55 | |
| *** pupnik has quit IRC | 12:57 | |
| *** ArGGu^^ has quit IRC | 13:00 | |
| *** mardi has quit IRC | 13:02 | |
| *** chainsawbike has joined #maemo | 13:07 | |
| *** Cor-Ai has quit IRC | 13:07 | |
| *** Cor-Ai has joined #maemo | 13:07 | |
| *** ArGGu^^ has joined #maemo | 13:10 | |
| *** radic has quit IRC | 13:12 | |
| *** radic_ has joined #maemo | 13:12 | |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 13:15 | |
| kerio | i have bootmenu installed, do i have to do something weird before reflashing? | 13:15 |
| *** pcfe has quit IRC | 13:15 | |
| *** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC | 13:17 | |
| kerio | alternative question: will reflashing combined+vanilla with the flasher make the n900 return to factory conditions, software-wise? | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | follow up question: are you selling it? | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | and yes, besides the lock code | 13:18 |
| kerio | no, i'm just resetting it to pr1.3 + cssu | 13:18 |
| *** pcfe has joined #maemo | 13:19 | |
| *** pcfe has quit IRC | 13:19 | |
| *** pcfe has joined #maemo | 13:19 | |
| MohammadAG | http://i54.tinypic.com/in7h2e.jpg any suggestions? | 13:20 |
| * MohammadAG still can't figure out how to select items | 13:20 | |
| alterego | The album art reflection looks weird | 13:21 |
| *** chainsawbike has quit IRC | 13:21 | |
| alterego | Sort of makes it look like there's a semi transparent bar along the bottom or something | 13:22 |
| kerio | does anyone have their product id for tablets-dev.nokia.com? | 13:23 |
| kerio | i mean, copypastable | 13:23 |
| alterego | Don't you? :P | 13:23 |
| alterego | It's written on the phone | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, the controls are auto hidden, it looks better on the device anyway | 13:23 |
| *** crs has joined #maemo | 13:23 | |
| alterego | Or *#06# shows it | 13:23 |
| kerio | :( | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG | but I hate how the ListView is basically just a list, without any signals/highlights etc | 13:24 |
| kerio | i can't copypaste that! | 13:24 |
| alterego | Why don't you do a bottom border on the list items | 13:25 |
| alterego | kerio: I don't want to publish my IMEI on the internet thanks. | 13:25 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I'd also do a scroll indicator | 13:26 |
| alterego | You're problem is black is bloody boring :P | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | Your* | 13:28 |
| alterego | Yes | 13:28 |
| alterego | anyway bbl | 13:29 |
| *** dos1 has joined #maemo | 13:30 | |
| *** millenomi has joined #maemo | 13:30 | |
| *** chainsawbike has joined #maemo | 13:32 | |
| *** lardman is now known as lardman|afk | 13:33 | |
| *** Wamanuz2 has quit IRC | 13:33 | |
| *** chainsawbike has quit IRC | 13:35 | |
| *** thomastp has quit IRC | 13:35 | |
| *** RST38h has quit IRC | 13:35 | |
| *** chainsawbike has joined #maemo | 13:36 | |
| *** trx has quit IRC | 13:41 | |
| *** bigbrovar has joined #maemo | 13:41 | |
| *** chainsawbike has quit IRC | 13:44 | |
| kerio | NOLO_REQ_GET_STATUS: Result too large wat | 13:45 |
| *** trx has joined #maemo | 13:45 | |
| *** lucent_ has quit IRC | 13:45 | |
| *** LjL has joined #maemo | 13:46 | |
| *** shamus has quit IRC | 13:53 | |
| *** FireFly has quit IRC | 13:54 | |
| *** felipec has joined #maemo | 13:57 | |
| *** pupnik has joined #maemo | 13:58 | |
| *** pupnik has joined #maemo | 13:58 | |
| *** buntfalke has joined #maemo | 13:58 | |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 14:02 | |
| *** eichi has left #maemo | 14:02 | |
| *** Cor-Ai has quit IRC | 14:03 | |
| *** Cor-Ai has joined #maemo | 14:03 | |
| *** chainsawbike has joined #maemo | 14:08 | |
| *** musca` has quit IRC | 14:10 | |
| *** musca has joined #maemo | 14:10 | |
| *** Termana has quit IRC | 14:11 | |
| *** chainsawbike has quit IRC | 14:11 | |
| *** larin has joined #maemo | 14:11 | |
| *** chainsawbike has joined #maemo | 14:13 | |
| pupnik | the most amazing 256 byte demo ever http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53816 | 14:14 |
| *** federico2 has joined #maemo | 14:14 | |
| *** Venemo has joined #maemo | 14:17 | |
| *** shanttu has joined #maemo | 14:19 | |
| pupnik | this needs to be in a bootloader trojan or mailheader trojan or smth | 14:19 |
| *** dos11 has joined #maemo | 14:21 | |
| *** dos1 has quit IRC | 14:22 | |
| pupnik | is there a normal gl/gles version of that hyperbolic lattice? | 14:22 |
| *** thomastp has joined #maemo | 14:25 | |
| *** AdmiralSausage has quit IRC | 14:25 | |
| pupnik | one of the coolest guys in the world | 14:30 |
| pupnik | http://rrrola.wz.cz/ | 14:30 |
| pupnik | nobody has ever freakin come close to n900 i'm afraid | 14:33 |
| *** chainsawbike has quit IRC | 14:34 | |
| *** robbiethe1st has quit IRC | 14:40 | |
| *** felipec has quit IRC | 14:41 | |
| *** spiritd has joined #maemo | 14:41 | |
| *** lucent_ has joined #maemo | 14:41 | |
| *** tackat has quit IRC | 14:43 | |
| *** millenomi has quit IRC | 14:43 | |
| pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/4Qoz8.png i made a new player inventory background | 14:43 |
| *** toniher_casa has joined #maemo | 14:44 | |
| *** Vanadis has quit IRC | 14:45 | |
| *** Termana has joined #maemo | 14:46 | |
| *** chainsawbike has joined #maemo | 14:47 | |
| *** frank956 has joined #maemo | 14:48 | |
| frank956 | hi | 14:48 |
| *** frank956 has quit IRC | 14:49 | |
| *** hannesw has joined #maemo | 14:49 | |
| *** nszeek has quit IRC | 14:51 | |
| *** woodong50_______ has joined #maemo | 14:52 | |
| *** felipec has joined #maemo | 14:53 | |
| *** woodong50_______ has quit IRC | 14:54 | |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 14:59 | |
| *** muellisoft has joined #maemo | 14:59 | |
| *** muelli has quit IRC | 15:02 | |
| djszapi | any idea how to make the mediaplayer work ? :) | 15:02 |
| *** hurbu has quit IRC | 15:02 | |
| djszapi | I cannot really open an existing video files from my system with it... | 15:02 |
| djszapi | I do not see any open button or something where I can browse the filesystem for a video. | 15:03 |
| pupnik | where do the screenshots get saved?! | 15:04 |
| pupnik | it says 'press camera key to take a screenshot' but then when i press the camera key it says 'open lens cover' | 15:05 |
| djszapi | pupnik: maemo is full of magic :) | 15:05 |
| pupnik | do you know how to take a screenshot? | 15:05 |
| pupnik | in a hurry | 15:05 |
| djszapi | compile scrot manually :) | 15:05 |
| pupnik | there's a screenshot button | 15:06 |
| pupnik | do you know how to use it? | 15:06 |
| *** jas4711 has quit IRC | 15:07 | |
| *** isak has joined #maemo | 15:07 | |
| *** millenomi has joined #maemo | 15:09 | |
| *** ^24seven has quit IRC | 15:09 | |
| alterego | CTRL+SHIT+P takes a screenshot and sticks it under ~/MyDocs/.images/screenshots | 15:09 |
| *** ^24seven has joined #maemo | 15:10 | |
| pupnik | 8ty ty | 15:10 |
| djszapi | hi alterego: do you know how to open a video file with mediaplayer if it did not find anything by default, but there are video files in my /home/user/ and /home/user/MyDocs/ | 15:11 |
| djszapi | ? | 15:11 |
| alterego | file manager | 15:11 |
| alterego | click on file | 15:11 |
| alterego | should open the media player. | 15:11 |
| pupnik | found it | 15:13 |
| pupnik | yt ty | 15:13 |
| neal | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control seems to suggest that the icd2 source is available. Anyone know where it is? | 15:14 |
| *** Termana has quit IRC | 15:17 | |
| pupnik | i am beginning to be proud of this: http://i.imgur.com/RiX3s.png | 15:19 |
| alterego | What is it? :P | 15:20 |
| *** prgrn has quit IRC | 15:21 | |
| djszapi | alterego: do you have any idea why the mplayer does not display the video, but the sound works properly ? | 15:21 |
| alterego | Unsupported video codec? | 15:21 |
| alterego | Have you tried running it from commandline? | 15:22 |
| GuySoft | hey all, is there a way i can help with the Diablo Community Project? | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure if anyone involved still hangs out on #maemo | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen lma | 15:28 |
| infobot | lma <51bb52a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.187.82.165> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 226d 3h 4m 28s ago, saying: 'X-Fade: same here, thanks!'. | 15:28 |
| djszapi | alterego: yes | 15:28 |
| *** rcg has quit IRC | 15:29 | |
| alterego | djszapi: well, that should give you some indication of what's wrong. | 15:29 |
| djszapi | I can paste but I did not see the root cause | 15:30 |
| djszapi | I tried to reinstall ffmpeg fex. | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: the screenshot feature of load applet is kinda useless. ctrl-sh-p is way better (and doesn't capture its own notifiers ;-P) | 15:31 |
| djszapi | alterego: do you know in which folder(s) the mediaplayer is looking for video files ? | 15:31 |
| alterego | djszapi: should find them in ~/MyDocs | 15:32 |
| alterego | djszapi: but if it's an unsupported codec .. It wont fild them. | 15:32 |
| djszapi | mmh that is fairly odd.... | 15:32 |
| djszapi | alterego:: file manager does not see anything, just memory card :) | 15:34 |
| djszapi | and that is also unsupported. | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: the mediaplayer - alas - does *not* look in any folder or location of filesystem for any files. It's completely depending on tracker. Where trackerd is looking for files can get configured by app tracker-cfg | 15:34 |
| *** prgrn has joined #maemo | 15:35 | |
| djszapi | Mplayer: "Ogg file format detected..." "Selected audio coder: [ffvorbis] afm: ffmpeh (FFmpeg Vorbis)..." | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a a plugin for mediaplayer to actually open files: grilo | 15:35 |
| djszapi | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory ... Video: no video | 15:36 |
| djszapi | etc etc | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT? | 15:36 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: thanks it does work | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | OSS??!! | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | ignore the /dev/dsp error, it's from N810 times apparently | 15:37 |
| djszapi | I know well | 15:37 |
| pupnik | you know how awesome maemo is... and opensource etc | 15:37 |
| *** trupheenix has joined #maemo | 15:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ohmy | 15:37 |
| pupnik | people like me can make stuff with it | 15:37 |
| djszapi | that is why I said I did not see anything wrong. | 15:37 |
| *** piggz has joined #maemo | 15:38 | |
| *** lardman|afk has quit IRC | 15:40 | |
| djszapi | alterego: any clue ? | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | ffs sometimes I hate QML | 15:42 |
| djszapi | seems the format is supported well, no idea why mediaplayer does not see it .... | 15:42 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: or do you hate yourself for not knowing it better :P | 15:42 |
| *** sid has joined #maemo | 15:42 | |
| MohammadAG | alterego, no, I hate it :P | 15:43 |
| djszapi | alterego: is there any better video playing option on meego ? I would love to use it and drop maemo ;) | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | I've been trying to get it to select an item from a ListView for 3 hours now | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | it's ignoring all input | 15:43 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: wfm | 15:43 |
| alterego | Can I see your code | 15:45 |
| alterego | Listviews are easy, just have a mouse are in your delegate .. | 15:45 |
| alterego | s/are/area/ | 15:45 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Listviews area easy, just have a mouse are in your delegate .. | 15:45 |
| *** RST38h has joined #maemo | 15:45 | |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I have one | 15:45 |
| djszapi | alterego: I wonder what else I could do if I have already reinstalled the mplayer more times and its dependencies... | 15:46 |
| alterego | djszapi: what format is the videeo? | 15:46 |
| alterego | You could try vlc | 15:46 |
| alterego | Anyway, I've got stuff todo. | 15:46 |
| djszapi | ogv as said | 15:46 |
| alterego | Hrm | 15:47 |
| djszapi | well users use a mplayer for a reason, it should not be changed until it is really hopeless (fex. does not work by anybody) :) | 15:47 |
| djszapi | * player | 15:47 |
| *** federico2 has left #maemo | 15:48 | |
| *** geaaru has quit IRC | 15:48 | |
| MohammadAG | alterego, http://pastebin.com/BkWRKy44 | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | line 131 | 15:48 |
| *** Tsuyo has joined #maemo | 15:48 | |
| alterego | If you know what line the problem is what's the problem :P | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | that's where the mousearea is | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | I don't know where the problem is :P | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not getting the "wtf" either | 15:49 |
| *** geaaru has joined #maemo | 15:50 | |
| *** djszapi has left #maemo | 15:51 | |
| *** FireFly has joined #maemo | 15:51 | |
| alterego | You should put the mouse area at the bottom of that component | 15:51 |
| alterego | Below the rows at least. | 15:51 |
| MohammadAG | I moved it up to test, didn't matter | 15:51 |
| ShadowJK | djszapi, use pastebin.com or similar to paste output of mplayer | 15:52 |
| *** lardman|afk has joined #maemo | 15:52 | |
| *** Wamanuz has joined #maemo | 15:53 | |
| *** piggz has quit IRC | 15:54 | |
| ShadowJK | ... | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, see? there isn't anything else wrong and it's still not working :P | 15:55 |
| alterego | Well there's obviously something wrong :P | 15:56 |
| * MohammadAG facepalms | 15:57 | |
| *** trupheenix has quit IRC | 15:57 | |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I moved the delegate back into the qml but used the old one :P | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG | so it's working now, except for one minor problem, when I click an item it scroll to the one below | 15:59 |
| *** lxp has joined #maemo | 16:01 | |
| *** kW_ has joined #maemo | 16:02 | |
| *** LjL has quit IRC | 16:05 | |
| *** Gadgetoid has quit IRC | 16:07 | |
| *** unixSnob has joined #maemo | 16:10 | |
| *** kW_ has quit IRC | 16:11 | |
| *** Vanadis has joined #maemo | 16:12 | |
| *** otep has quit IRC | 16:13 | |
| *** Gadgetoid has joined #maemo | 16:13 | |
| *** vldcnst has quit IRC | 16:14 | |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I take back what I said about QML :P | 16:14 |
| *** shamus has joined #maemo | 16:15 | |
| *** Evanescence has quit IRC | 16:15 | |
| *** larin has quit IRC | 16:16 | |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 16:16 | |
| *** NIN101 has joined #maemo | 16:18 | |
| *** vldcnst has joined #maemo | 16:18 | |
| *** McMAGIC--Copy has quit IRC | 16:22 | |
| *** otep has joined #maemo | 16:25 | |
| *** Gadgetoid has quit IRC | 16:26 | |
| *** hannesw has joined #maemo | 16:27 | |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 16:32 | |
| *** florian has joined #maemo | 16:38 | |
| *** jrocha has joined #maemo | 16:40 | |
| *** I-C-Wiener has joined #maemo | 16:43 | |
| *** mc_teo` has joined #maemo | 16:43 | |
| *** mc_teo has quit IRC | 16:46 | |
| *** PhonicUK has joined #maemo | 16:48 | |
| *** kW_ has joined #maemo | 16:54 | |
| *** SmilyOrg has joined #maemo | 16:56 | |
| *** bigbrovar2 has joined #maemo | 16:58 | |
| *** jigrap` has joined #maemo | 16:58 | |
| *** SmilybOrg has quit IRC | 16:59 | |
| *** piggz has joined #maemo | 17:04 | |
| *** kW_ has quit IRC | 17:06 | |
| *** ptl has quit IRC | 17:06 | |
| *** bigbrovar2 has quit IRC | 17:07 | |
| *** toniher_casa has quit IRC | 17:11 | |
| *** toniher_casa has joined #maemo | 17:12 | |
| *** radic_ has quit IRC | 17:17 | |
| *** kW_ has joined #maemo | 17:17 | |
| *** jrocha has quit IRC | 17:18 | |
| *** radic has joined #maemo | 17:19 | |
| *** Tsuyo has quit IRC | 17:19 | |
| *** isak has quit IRC | 17:21 | |
| *** kW_ has quit IRC | 17:22 | |
| *** kW_ has joined #maemo | 17:22 | |
| *** kwtm has quit IRC | 17:24 | |
| *** eMHa has quit IRC | 17:25 | |
| *** tchan has quit IRC | 17:27 | |
| *** Tsarpf has joined #maemo | 17:30 | |
| *** tchan has joined #maemo | 17:30 | |
| *** jigrap` has quit IRC | 17:31 | |
| *** Tsarpf_ has joined #maemo | 17:34 | |
| *** githogori has quit IRC | 17:37 | |
| *** Tsarpf has quit IRC | 17:37 | |
| *** felipec has quit IRC | 17:38 | |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 17:46 | |
| *** toniher_casa has quit IRC | 17:49 | |
| *** toniher_casa has joined #maemo | 17:49 | |
| *** Tsarpf_ has quit IRC | 17:53 | |
| *** toniher_casa has quit IRC | 17:53 | |
| *** isak has joined #maemo | 17:53 | |
| *** eMHa has joined #maemo | 17:54 | |
| *** felipec has joined #maemo | 17:55 | |
| *** toniher_casa has joined #maemo | 17:55 | |
| *** radic has quit IRC | 17:55 | |
| *** tackat has joined #maemo | 17:59 | |
| *** mardi has joined #maemo | 18:00 | |
| *** kwtm has joined #maemo | 18:00 | |
| *** rcg has joined #maemo | 18:03 | |
| *** KMFDM has joined #maemo | 18:06 | |
| *** larin has joined #maemo | 18:08 | |
| *** radic has joined #maemo | 18:11 | |
| *** MacDrunk has quit IRC | 18:14 | |
| *** hcarrega has quit IRC | 18:16 | |
| *** helloct has joined #maemo | 18:17 | |
| *** Andy80 has joined #maemo | 18:19 | |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 18:19 | |
| *** Andy80 has joined #maemo | 18:19 | |
| *** slonopotamus has joined #maemo | 18:20 | |
| *** helloct has quit IRC | 18:23 | |
| *** cardinal has joined #maemo | 18:28 | |
| *** cardinal is now known as hcarrega | 18:29 | |
| RST38h | "Steve Wozniak told Reuters he would consider returning to an active role at Apple, the company he co-founded, and believes the consumer electronics giant could afford to be more open than it is." | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 18:30 |
| *** hannesw has joined #maemo | 18:33 | |
| *** radic has quit IRC | 18:34 | |
| *** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo | 18:36 | |
| GAN900 | I love how the whole company is trending to lowest common denominator. | 18:38 |
| GAN900 | Their whole pro userbase has been pretty well abandoned. | 18:38 |
| RST38h | Which one? =) | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Ah, Apple... Who cares... | 18:39 |
| GAN900 | I kind of do, because I like using their operating system | 18:41 |
| *** joc has quit IRC | 18:41 | |
| RST38h | And, BTW, wait until you can only sell OSX programs via their AppStore, that will definitely bring a few planks down... | 18:41 |
| GAN900 | and now the next big update is mostly composed of features ported from the iPad. | 18:41 |
| GAN900 | I just wish there were some real pro apps available on Linux. | 18:42 |
| GAN900 | Adobe needs to port their stuff. | 18:42 |
| RST38h | Not until there are people willing to shell $99+ for a Linux app =) | 18:42 |
| GAN900 | Dunno, seems like Photoshop would sell. | 18:43 |
| *** mveplus has quit IRC | 18:45 | |
| *** mveplus has joined #maemo | 18:45 | |
| *** kerio is now known as sbhaak | 18:46 | |
| *** joc has joined #maemo | 18:47 | |
| *** sbhaak is now known as kerio | 18:47 | |
| *** felipec has quit IRC | 18:49 | |
| RST38h | GAN: Photoshop people are usually unable to discern left mouse button from the right onw =) | 18:51 |
| RST38h | one | 18:51 |
| *** radic has joined #maemo | 18:51 | |
| *** CoreI` has joined #maemo | 18:51 | |
| CoreI` | hello all \o | 18:52 |
| *** CoreI` is now known as n900-stuff | 18:52 | |
| n900-stuff | so quiet | 18:54 |
| * n900-stuff sitting in a boring wedding trying to pass time | 18:55 | |
| GAN900 | RST38h, not in my experience. ;) | 18:58 |
| *** slonopotamus has quit IRC | 18:59 | |
| RST38h | Ah, there is still GIMP. NotPhotoshop but close enough. | 19:00 |
| *** unixSnob has quit IRC | 19:02 | |
| GAN900 | I also need Premiere, After Effects, Lightroom, Illustrator and InDesign. | 19:03 |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 19:04 | |
| *** kwtm has quit IRC | 19:08 | |
| RST38h | Anyone tried setting up OSX runtime env inside Linux? =) | 19:12 |
| ArkanoiD- | RST38h, desktop or iOS? desktop should work inside virtualbox with minor tweaks | 19:13 |
| RST38h | No, not virtualbox | 19:17 |
| ArkanoiD- | scud battery seems to be damn good. the only thing that is quite common for all "chinese" batteries: charge meter goes wrong on high consumption. turn GPS on and run mappero on low charge and the phone is likely to turn off. You may turn it on again and see that there is still quite enough left.. but only if you do not drain it excessively. | 19:17 |
| RST38h | I mean creating a bunch of dynamic libraries and modifying ld.so to make OSX apps run natively inside Linux | 19:17 |
| *** federico2 has joined #maemo | 19:17 | |
| ArkanoiD- | RST38h, console/X11 ones? | 19:18 |
| *** federico2 has left #maemo | 19:18 | |
| RST38h | no, the full Cocoa ones | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | i guess you'd start from GNUStep, and then a binfmt handler in the kernel for the os x executable format... | 19:18 |
| ArkanoiD- | Cocoa might be tricky | 19:19 |
| *** onen|openBmap has joined #maemo | 19:19 | |
| * ArkanoiD- plays angry birds seasons.. if we could not (really!) run it on n900, it could save about 20 hours of productive life for me :-) | 19:20 | |
| *** buntfalke has quit IRC | 19:22 | |
| RST38h | Can we run it on N900? Really? | 19:24 |
| *** jas4711 has joined #maemo | 19:25 | |
| ArkanoiD- | RST38h, need a .deb? :-) | 19:29 |
| *** SmilybOrg has joined #maemo | 19:33 | |
| *** hannesw has joined #maemo | 19:33 | |
| *** SmilyOrg has quit IRC | 19:37 | |
| ArkanoiD- | actually i'd pay for it if it was officially available for n900 | 19:37 |
| *** jrocha has joined #maemo | 19:37 | |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 19:44 | |
| *** n900-stuff has quit IRC | 19:45 | |
| *** chx_zzz is now known as chx | 19:51 | |
| *** kW_ has quit IRC | 19:56 | |
| *** SmilybOrg has quit IRC | 19:59 | |
| *** SmilybOrg has joined #maemo | 19:59 | |
| *** Gorroth has quit IRC | 20:00 | |
| *** Gorroth has joined #maemo | 20:02 | |
| *** SmilyOrg has joined #maemo | 20:07 | |
| * Dhraakellian wonders if there's a compose key equivalent on maemo | 20:09 | |
| *** kW_ has joined #maemo | 20:10 | |
| *** SmilybOrg has quit IRC | 20:10 | |
| *** davyg has quit IRC | 20:13 | |
| *** hannesw has joined #maemo | 20:17 | |
| *** trupheenix has joined #maemo | 20:26 | |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 20:28 | |
| *** ferdna has joined #maemo | 20:29 | |
| *** mece has joined #maemo | 20:30 | |
| *** mookie has quit IRC | 20:40 | |
| *** klasu__ has joined #maemo | 20:41 | |
| *** kW_ has quit IRC | 20:41 | |
| *** jrocha has quit IRC | 20:47 | |
| *** mesx has joined #maemo | 20:48 | |
| *** trbs has joined #maemo | 20:50 | |
| *** shanttu has quit IRC | 20:55 | |
| *** davyg has joined #maemo | 21:00 | |
| *** hurbu has joined #maemo | 21:01 | |
| *** jas4711 has quit IRC | 21:07 | |
| *** mardi has quit IRC | 21:09 | |
| *** dos11 has quit IRC | 21:10 | |
| *** dos11 has joined #maemo | 21:10 | |
| *** kama has joined #maemo | 21:13 | |
| *** kimitake_idle is now known as kimitake | 21:15 | |
| *** sq-one has joined #maemo | 21:17 | |
| *** sq-one has quit IRC | 21:18 | |
| *** kama has quit IRC | 21:19 | |
| *** ferdna has quit IRC | 21:21 | |
| *** jas4711 has joined #maemo | 21:31 | |
| *** AdmiralSausage has joined #maemo | 21:32 | |
| *** krayon has quit IRC | 21:42 | |
| *** Tsarpf has joined #maemo | 21:43 | |
| *** GeneralAntilles has quit IRC | 21:44 | |
| *** _0x47 has joined #maemo | 21:46 | |
| *** GeneralAntilles has joined #maemo | 21:46 | |
| *** AdmiralSausage has quit IRC | 21:54 | |
| *** trbs has quit IRC | 21:58 | |
| *** tackat has quit IRC | 22:00 | |
| *** trbs has joined #maemo | 22:01 | |
| *** larin has quit IRC | 22:03 | |
| *** larin has joined #maemo | 22:04 | |
| *** jas4711 has quit IRC | 22:05 | |
| mesx | hi folks, i used dosfslabel to change label on eMMC fat32 partition, but it seems that label isnt changed, in File Manger it is, but when I mount it on archbox old label is shown. How can I check on n900 terminal is label changed? | 22:06 |
| *** Tsuyo has joined #maemo | 22:08 | |
| *** trupheenix has quit IRC | 22:09 | |
| *** jas4711 has joined #maemo | 22:13 | |
| *** onen|openBmap has quit IRC | 22:13 | |
| *** geaaru has quit IRC | 22:16 | |
| *** larin has quit IRC | 22:26 | |
| *** Rarok has quit IRC | 22:26 | |
| *** jrocha has joined #maemo | 22:29 | |
| *** Gorroth has quit IRC | 22:32 | |
| *** wlz has joined #maemo | 22:33 | |
| *** _0x47 has quit IRC | 22:39 | |
| MohammadAG | file manager uses BT name | 22:39 |
| *** Jade has quit IRC | 22:42 | |
| mesx | MohammadAG: is there maymbe some script that instantchanges label? | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | umm, change the Bluetooth name | 22:44 |
| *** Jade has joined #maemo | 22:44 | |
| MohammadAG | that's what the file manager displays | 22:44 |
| *** hurbu_ has joined #maemo | 22:45 | |
| *** hurbu has quit IRC | 22:45 | |
| *** hurbu__ has joined #maemo | 22:51 | |
| *** mortenvp has quit IRC | 22:52 | |
| *** hurbu_ has quit IRC | 22:54 | |
| lbt | is bluemaemo supposed to work? | 22:54 |
| lbt | in 1.3 | 22:55 |
| lbt | I'm getting dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "GetMode" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG | try turning on bluetooth before starting BlueMaemo | 22:55 |
| mesx | just checked "dosfslabel /dev/mmcblk0p1 maki" doesnt change name in file manager only bluetooth does. (dosfslabel works fine on memory card) | 22:57 |
| lbt | MohammadAG: trying... | 22:57 |
| lbt | looks like it won't start anymore | 22:57 |
| *** jd has joined #maemo | 22:58 | |
| lbt | ouch... no bluetooth | 22:58 |
| *** Jade has quit IRC | 22:59 | |
| *** millenomi has quit IRC | 23:01 | |
| *** auenf has quit IRC | 23:01 | |
| *** jas4711 has quit IRC | 23:02 | |
| *** millenomi has joined #maemo | 23:02 | |
| lbt | great, I install bluemaemo and lose bluetooth... *sigh* | 23:02 |
| *** wlz has quit IRC | 23:04 | |
| MohammadAG | lbt, try start bluetoothd in a root shell | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | mesx, yes, that's what I said... | 23:05 |
| lbt | I just rebooted MohammadAG... | 23:05 |
| lbt | didn't help | 23:05 |
| lbt | but : ps -ef shows : 940 root 3408 S /usr/sbin/bluetoothd -n | 23:06 |
| lbt | before rebooting I killed it and it autostarted | 23:06 |
| *** Wamanuz has quit IRC | 23:06 | |
| lbt | I do notice that it asks for a device name when I enable BT ...that always used to be filled in | 23:07 |
| lbt | nothing obvious in dmesg or syslog | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | do you have bluez installed? | 23:07 |
| lbt | bluez is already the newest version. | 23:08 |
| *** mardi has joined #maemo | 23:08 | |
| lbt | so yes | 23:08 |
| lbt | I followed : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9969 and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53612 and did the apt-get install libeet1=1.2.2+svn41533-maemo1 | 23:08 |
| povbot` | Bug 9969: cant install BlueMaemo | 23:08 |
| lbt | which allowed me to install it | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | try reinstalling it | 23:09 |
| *** Wamanuz has joined #maemo | 23:09 | |
| MohammadAG | bluez that is | 23:09 |
| *** Wamanuz has quit IRC | 23:09 | |
| lbt | Reinstallation of bluez is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. | 23:09 |
| lbt | hmm now I look at my repos in shell I see a mix of 1.2/1.3 ones | 23:11 |
| lbt | and the ssu one that I've not installed | 23:11 |
| mesx | what process do I have to kill so i can safely unmount /home? | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | Get:1 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ bluez 4.60-0maemo1.6+0m5 [386kB] | 23:12 |
| lbt | mesx: from a shell do lsof | grep /home | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | you need to have the SSU disabled | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | mesx, init basically | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | lots of stuff runs from /opt, which is /home/opt | 23:13 |
| *** Wamanuz has joined #maemo | 23:13 | |
| *** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC | 23:16 | |
| *** Sazpaimon_ has joined #maemo | 23:16 | |
| lbt | MohammadAG: mmm it's been a while so I don't recall the fremantle invocations | 23:17 |
| lbt | I disabled ssu from app mgr | 23:17 |
| lbt | but don't see any other nokia repos to enable | 23:17 |
| *** Sazpaimon has quit IRC | 23:19 | |
| *** piripo has joined #maemo | 23:25 | |
| *** lxp1 has joined #maemo | 23:26 | |
| *** lxp has quit IRC | 23:28 | |
| *** Gadgetoid has joined #maemo | 23:31 | |
| mesx | lbt, MohammadAG tnx, there are quite apps/process to kill, but will try it :) | 23:31 |
| *** onen|openBmap has joined #maemo | 23:34 | |
| *** mece has quit IRC | 23:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer | mesx: I don't think it's possible to simply umount /home | 23:35 |
| *** jrocha has quit IRC | 23:36 | |
| lbt | so... I removed extras-devel, removed bluemaemo and rebooted .... still no bluetooth | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite a number of processes running from either ~user or /opt will cause a reboot when killed | 23:36 |
| lbt | and apt-get install can't download it | 23:36 |
| *** Sazpaimon has joined #maemo | 23:40 | |
| *** Sazpaimon has joined #maemo | 23:40 | |
| lbt | OK ... got it from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/b/bluez/bluez_4.60-0maemo1.6+0m5_armel.deb | 23:43 |
| lbt | reinstalled, and.... same | 23:43 |
| lbt | kill bluetoothd; /usr/sbin/bluetoothd -nd and ..... same | 23:43 |
| *** isak has quit IRC | 23:43 | |
| lbt | no output in 'debug' mode ... | 23:43 |
| *** Gadgetoid has quit IRC | 23:48 | |
| *** eijk has joined #maemo | 23:50 | |
| *** Gadgetoid has joined #maemo | 23:55 | |
| *** der_moder has quit IRC | 23:59 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
