IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-04-09

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kwtmHi. I am about to reflash my N900's flash memory; then I want to install the gainroot package so I can activate USB networking and quickly re-transfer my backup back into flash memory (instead of having to do it wifi'ly).  Where are the .deb packages stored, so I can copy the gainroot package (and others) to the uSD card and then copy it back after the flash?00:18
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ShadowJKThe ones on N900 get deleted after install, I  think00:19
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kwtmDocScrutinizer51: Hmm... are you there?  If I want to reflash my 32GB flash mem so that only 4GB (or maybe even just 2GB) is the vfat ~/MyDocs , do I need to flash the ... what is it called, eeprom?  The part with the actual Maemo OS?00:20
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kwtmShadowJK: Ok, so I'd have to reinstall anyway.  Okay.00:20
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ShadowJKThe backup utility can save a list of installed apps, and reinstall them when you restore00:21
kwtmShadowJK: I already have that with "dpkg --get-selections >FileList ; # reflash ; dpkg --set-selections <FileList".  I just want to be able to do it more quickly than having to go over a wireless connection00:22
kwtmDocScrutinizer51: Darn, I was hoping to avoid having to flash everything.   Oh, well.00:22
MohammadAGfyi, maemo-list-user-packages | awk '{print $1}' | xargs00:23
kwtmUh-oh.  I already have the PR 1.2 flash images on my laptop, but I can't remember if they are the latest PR 1.2.  When did the latest come out, please?  I am afraid that if I just say as root "apt-get upgrade" (or apt-get dist-upgrade or whatever), it will upgrade to PR 1.3 which I want to avoid for now.  If I got my around early July 2010, are those the latest?00:26
MohammadAGwhy avoid 1.3?00:27
ShadowJKJuly 2010 is before 1.300:28
ShadowJKprobably 1.200:28
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kwtmMohammadAG: I have been using 1.2 up till now, and it works.  So till now there was no reason to upgrade.  Now I should avoid so that if I get any errors, I know it's not related to PR 1.3.  (Especially since I've been told that using shell scripting is "unsupported" and I'm responsible for anything weird that happens.)00:30
kwtmShadowJK: Oh, I know it's 1.2, but do you recall if it was the newest 1.2?  Or should I go look for the latest 1.2 firmware image?  I can't remember the nokia website for that....00:30 probably00:31
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DocScrutinizer51there's only one 1.200:31
DocScrutinizer51and you won't be able to install a lot of testing and devel repo based apps on a fresh 1.2 flash00:32
DocScrutinizer51restore = install00:32
MohammadAGhail Qt ABI break00:32
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kwtmDocScrutinizer51: When you say "you won't be able to install a lot of testing and devel repo based apps on a fresh 1.2 flash" does that also apply to an old 1.2 flash, too?  Ie. if I have it currently running on my 1.2 N900, does it mean it will install ok?  Or for some reason it won't work even though it works ok now (say, because the PR1.2 version is no longer available in the repos and I must install the PR 1.3 packages)?00:34
DocScrutinizer51yes exactly that00:35
DocScrutinizer51a lot of packages in devel got updated to a version incompatible with 1.200:35
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MohammadAGmostly Qt apps00:36
kwtmOh dear.  Ok, I guess I'm being forced into PR 1.3.  Better to download a PR 1.3 firmware, or just reflash my old image and then do the OTA update?00:36
DocScrutinizer51flash, much faster00:36
kwtmDocScrutinizer51: Oh, the devel packages?  Oh, well, that's fine.  I've hardly installed any devel packages, and any that I did install were in the past month, so I know they work with 1.2 unless something's changed in the past month.00:37
kwtmWell, I guess now's the time to go to PR 1.3, and if it fails I can still fall back onto PR 1.200:37
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DocScrutinizer51check HAM update00:37
kwtmUnfortunately, I need to get my IMEI number to get Nokia's firmware image ... which means taking off my Impregnable Otter Case ... which is so impregnable that it takes me half an hour to pry it off... :P00:37
MohammadAGor *#06#00:38
MohammadAGor Settings - About product00:38
MohammadAGor dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei | grep string | cut -f 2 -d '"'00:38
kwtmMohammadAG: Oh.  Yeah, that might be a good idea ... :P00:38
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alteregoTwo more features to implement for my next release of Columbus.00:42
alteregoThen an RC100:42
alteregoAnd hopefully I can finally get it out of the freakin' barn :)00:42
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kwtmWhat's the difference between the Global firmware and the USA / UK / whatever region firmware?00:42
MohammadAGget global00:42
alteregokwtm: the image size00:42
MohammadAGnot much difference, except for strings00:43
alteregoI don't know if anyone has bothered doing a diff tbh00:43
MohammadAGand some language packages00:43
alteregoI think some stop fmtx?00:43
kwtmMohammadAG: Ok, so more language support l10n or something?00:43
MohammadAGthey all do if the region in CAL is one that doesn't support it00:43
alteregoI though china doesn't have fmtx00:43
alteregoOh right00:44
MohammadAGglobal language packages have the suffix -mr000:44
MohammadAGit's disabled in software, twice00:44
kwtmalterego: Ahhh... fmtx is a separate thing --for some reason the FM transmitter widget keeps complaining that "USB device is connected" (it's not) but I'll leave that for another time.00:44
alteregocomplains about usb? haha00:44
MohammadAGalterego, though indian sw lacks skype afaik00:45
alteregoI thought skype was a seperate download, but I guess it isn't00:45
MohammadAGit's built in00:45
kwtmSo, just to be absolutely sure (I don't want to mess this up), the "firmware" image (containing Maemo) is also known as the "FIASCO" image; and the "eMMC" image (which contains ~/MyDocs etc.) is what "vanilla" refers to?   And the "eMMC" and "firmware" are the two things I need to flash, and in that order?00:48
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alteregokwtm, read the wiki page :P00:48
infoboti heard flashing is
kwtmalterego: I did.  I want a live person to confirm this because I don't want to mess this up.00:48
alteregoWell doesn't matter if you do.00:49
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alteregoYou can always do it again :P00:49
kwtmalterego: Yeah, that's what they said the first seven times.00:49
alteregoAnd we all say follow the wiki :P00:49
kwtmalterego: Well, the wiki does not confirm that "FIASCO" is same as "firmware", for starters.00:50
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kwtmThe wiki has been written by people who are familiar with the topic and don't realize they are using terms that may be confusing to the newcomer.00:50
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alteregoAdmittedly the wiki should really contain the full filenames00:51
nid0it does00:52
nid0a n00:52
kwtmI remember there was something that tripped me up the first time I did this last year.  It took me forever to confirm that two different names were referring to the same thing.  What *does* FIASCO stand for, anyway?00:52
nid0and the like 3rd sentence in the n900 section says that the FIASCO image is the rootfs00:52
kwtmANd what is "vanilla" eMMC?  Is there any other type?  I haven't seen any reference to anything else.00:53
alteregoWell, FIASCO is actually the file format for the images you flash, which is both images are FIASCO images.00:53
kwtmalterego: So, from what you're saying, it's actually *wrong* to say "Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image" as it says in  because *both* are FIASCO images?00:53
kwtmAnd you're saying, "Just go read the wiki which will answer all your questions"?00:54
nid0general accepted usage is that FIASCO = rootfs, as stated in the wiki00:54
kwtmnid0: Where in the wiki does it say that?00:54
alteregoYeah, I'm just being pedantic00:54
alteregoEMMC is mydocs00:54
nid03 lines down00:54
alteregoAnd COMBINED is rootfs00:54
nid0•(flashing the) FIASCO aka *COMBINED*, also referred to as "rootfs" though this file and flashing process also consists of / affects NOLO bootloader (the several stages), the kernel, and usually the GSM modem firmware, in addition to the root filesystem which is basically the content of your 240 MB NAND flash storage and implements the Linux operating system.00:54
kwtmnid0: And why would it be generally accepted usage for something that's ambiguous?  How hard would it be to do %s/FIASCO/firmware/g  ?00:55
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kwtmnid0: So the FIASCO is actually the combined firmware and eMMC image, then?00:55
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nid0eh? no00:56
kwtmSo the NAND storage is the faster memory in which the kernel operates, and "flash" memory is the 32GB slower memory used as a RAMdisk (even though both types of memories are "flash"ed)00:56
kwtmWhy is it called "combined" then?00:56
alteregoBecause it's kernel+rootfs+cal+cellmofirmware+bootloader00:57
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kwtmalterego: Ahh... so kernel+rootfs+cal+cellmofirmware+bootloader all belong on one type of memory --and, more importantly, this is *all* that belongs on this memory (nothing else)?  And the eMMC is a different type of memory, flashed by a different image file?00:58
alteregokwtm: no, because the firmware is actually _inside_ the cellular modem :)00:59
alteregoSo it's not just the nand flash :)00:59
alteregoIt's a combination of the rootfs nand flash, which also houses the kernel and the bootloader, as well as firmware for the cellular modem which is actually _inside_ the modem chip and seperate.00:59
ShadowJKAnyway, the wiki is hard to follow even for someone familiar with the terminology like me01:00
kwtmWhen you say "the cellular modem", this is referring to hardware or software?  When I transfer ("flash") the file named  RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin   into my N900, what do you call the place where that file goes?  Is it "rootfs nand flash and cellular modem" --ie. two different hardware devices/memory chips?01:01
kwtmShadowJK: Thank you for the support.01:01
alteregoYeah, to be honest I don't find it too easy to follow :D01:01
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alteregokwtm: it's a combination of different bits for different areas. Most goes into the NAND, like I said, the bootload, kernel and rootfs are all in the nand. Then you've got CAL which is in a different memory unit (I think) and the cellular firmware is a memory unit inside the cellular modem chip.01:02
ShadowJKkwtm, "kernel + rootfs + call + bootloader" is one physical chip. Cellular firmware is another chip. The modem actually consists of many chips, it has its own ARM9 CPU, its own RAM and its own flash chip.01:02
alteregoSo no, not all one area.01:02
alteregoWhere as the eMMC is all one area.01:02
alteregoAnd the GPS too :)01:02
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kwtmShadowJK: Interesting ... so when I flash, the N900 will sort out which part of the image goes where?  That's surprisingly sophisticated.  Been a while since I've done electrical engineering, I suppose.01:03
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alteregokwtm: actually the flasher program does that.01:03
alteregokwtm: not the N90001:03
kwtmalterego: I see.01:04
alteregokwtm: and I guess it's a mixture of protocols, I think the flashing of the cellmo is done via a psuedo TTY serial communication, with a specific set of strange command incantations that says "Put me into firmware upload mode"01:04
alteregoThe cellmo is practically a stand alone computer with memory, processor and operating system.01:04
DocScrutinizer51nope, at least hajf of it is done by NOLO01:05
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kwtmBtw, just to make sure I'm doing this for the right reason: /home is of filetype ext3 and contains symlinks and perms and all that good stuff right?  Otherwise there's no point me shrinking the vfat ~/MyDocs to make the rest of ~/ bigger.01:05
alteregoDocScrutinizer51: oh yeah, sure NOLO handles comms routing and flashing of NAND and eMMC01:05
kwtmDocScrutinizer51: undeclared synonym alert: is "NOLO" the same as the flasher program?01:05
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ShadowJKkwtm, boot loader01:06
alterego /home is ext3 /home/MyDocs is mounted as fat3201:06
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alteregoNOkia LOader :)01:06
kwtmalterego: Excellent.  Bring on 28G of that ext3 goodness!01:06
ShadowJKThe first thing that runs when the main CPU of the N900 starts up. It handles and receives the communication from the flasher utility on a PC. If the user isn't trying to flash, it prepares the hardware for booting, checks that there's vaguely enough battery power, and then loads the linux kernel01:07
kwtmalterego: I figured that was what NOLO stood for but I didn't know if it was the loader for booting up, or for "loading" the flash image from laptop onto N900, etc.01:07
kwtmYay, download done!  Here we go.01:07
alteregokwtm: both ;)01:07
kwtmfor all I know, NOLO is "NOt a LOader" or something....01:07
alteregoNOLO is the bootload, but obviously when the system is "booting" it can go into flashing mode with the USB connected and the flasher app running on a host.01:07
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kwtmDocScrutinizer51: So, where your web page says  sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin   that's actually modifying a *binary* image file, right?  I mean, what if the sequence "2048" occurs elsewhere in the file?01:08
DocScrutinizer51it doesnt01:09
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alteregoTurned GEdit into my own sexy Qml development environment01:10
kwtmOkay.  But ... umm, if I'm only modifying the eMMC file , why do I have to reflash the FIASCO combined image, too?01:10
GAN900How can a website for 140 character posts of BS be so insanely bloated.01:10
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alteregoWell, I just made CTRL+F5 execute qmlviewer -opengl main.qml in the directory of the document you're editing ..01:10
kwtmGAN900: It's how they make their money.  Ads, man, ads!01:10
GAN900Somebody needs to administer beatings to these web developers.01:10
GAN900kwtm, worse still is all of the "functionality".01:11
DocScrutinizer51kwtm: /opt erasure01:11
kwtmDocScrutinizer51: Ohhh... right, if/when I flash both, the FIASCO comes *after* the eMMC and that's what sets the eMMC right again.  Ok01:12
DocScrutinizer51you *could* save and then restore whole /home01:12
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kwtmDocScrutinizer51: That's what I did.  That's why I was asking how to rsync back onto ~/ over the USB connection.  Faster than wifi.  I make daily backups of ~/.01:13
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kwtmAnyone know any problem with shrinking the vfat ~/MyDocs to only 2G?  My camera/video photos go onto uSD card (16GB).01:14
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kwtmDocScrutinizer51: Just re-read your comment.  I think you were referring to /home including /home/opt and I thought you meant ~/ meaning /home/user.  No, I haven't backed up /home/opt.01:20
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pupnikthe blue on the n900 display is so deep and rich01:27
pupnikit's different than my laptop01:27
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ShadowJKi think it was nicer on n81001:31
ShadowJKn900 is kinda cold01:32
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DocScrutinizerkwtm: speedevil is happy with 2GB afaik01:35
* SpeedEvil forgets the context.01:35
* SpeedEvil may nothave enough RAM.01:35
kwtmDocScrutinizer: It says  Invalid FIASCO subimage id (00)01:35
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SpeedEvilI shrunk mydocs to 4G01:36
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SpeedEvilI just did it hackily.01:36
DocScrutinizerkwtm: you need to patch vanilla, not combined01:37
kwtmWell the full 3 lines are : Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB \n Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA  \n  Invalid FIASCO subimage id (00)01:37
DocScrutinizerstrange, others reported it worked for them01:37
SpeedEvilI mounted mydocs RO, tarred all the contents to /home. unmounted mydocs, fdisked to delete mydocs. created a 4G partition, with the rest as another partition. untarred mydocs as vfat onto the 2G partition withthe original partition number.01:38
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Aha, you thought when it said "FIASCO" it referred to the combined, didn't you?  Hence the danger in calling something by an invalid name ("FIASCO" != combined) ... anyway, this seems to refer to the vanilla image.  I did rename the vanilla file.  Do you think I have to preserve the filename?01:38
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SpeedEvilthen made the other one ext3.01:38
SpeedEvil'just works'01:38
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Another possibility is: I changed  2048 to 30720 --do you think the extra character made the file one byte longer and invalidated it?01:38
DocScrutinizer(preserve name) no01:38
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kwtmso I am limited to 9999 MB, then, (isn't that less than 10 GB?) and can't use 30 GB.01:39
DocScrutinizerI suggest you use a hexeditor and search for the 204801:39
kwtmDocScrutinizer: I can search with hex, but can I change it to 30720 which is 5 characters?01:40
DocScrutinizerit's a rather plantext scripty part01:40
kwtmWill try it.  I'm just reading over what SpeedEvil said and thinking whether that would be a better way.01:40
DocScrutinizersure, just make sure you use some common sense when editing01:40
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kwtmDocScrutinizer: Oh, you mean fiddle with the plaintexty scripty part to somehow lose the extra character and preserve the filesize?01:41
kwtmSpeedEvil: So did you create a new ext3 partition that was mounted in a subdir of home?  Or did you actually increase the size of the /home partition?01:42
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kwtmWTF??? My patched eMMC image file is 28 bytes larger in size.  DocScrutinizer, you sure "2048" only occurs once in the entire file?01:43
SpeedEvilkwtm: yes01:44
SpeedEvilkwtm: I mouint it in /home/user/datra01:44
SpeedEvilWithout the typo.01:44
kwtmSpeedEvil: I guess the disadvantage is that you won't have more space for /home/opt ... unless you symlink it to /home/user/data01:45
kwtmgreat, my KDE hex editor froze.  Go, KDE4!01:45
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DocScrutinizerkwtm: sorry, there are actually a lot of 204801:51
DocScrutinizerbut probably only one:01:52
DocScrutinizerps: I used less to spot that01:52
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kwtmDocScrutinizer: I don't know whether to strangle you or thank you for taking the time to check now (better now than never).  My hex editor found, at offset 0xD1, 'partition {size = 2048; fstype = "ext3" ; prefix = "home" }'   You think that's the one, or is it ',2048,L'?01:55
LuisCarlosHi. Does anyone knnow where to change the amount of seconds HAM looks for updates?01:55
DocScrutinizerDAMN! RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin looks quite a bit different01:55
LuisCarlosI've got an n90001:55
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Do you have the eMMC image file where s/2048/30720/ worked, and see what the few lines before/after looked like?01:56
DocScrutinizermy ,2048,L was from  RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin01:56
DocScrutinizerLA^@3362mmc {01:57
DocScrutinizer        name = "internal";01:57
DocScrutinizer        partition {01:57
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DocScrutinizer                fs_type = "vfat";01:57
DocScrutinizer                prefix = "mydocs";01:57
DocScrutinizer                no_create = true;01:57
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DocScrutinizer        }01:57
DocScrutinizer        partition {01:57
DocScrutinizer                size = 2048;01:57
DocScrutinizer                fs_type = "ext3";01:57
DocScrutinizer                prefix = "home";01:57
DocScrutinizer        }01:57
DocScrutinizer        partition {01:57
DocScrutinizer                size = 768;01:57
DocScrutinizer                fs_type = "swap";01:57
DocScrutinizer        }01:57
DocScrutinizerooops, sorry01:57
DocScrutinizeranyway, that's it01:57
Sc0rpiuswhat happened with the old pastebin etc01:57
kwtmDocScrutinizer: I think that's the one that I found, then.  Is that text anywhere near the beginning, offset 0xD1 or so?01:58
kwtmSc0rpius: I'm sure he didn't mean to do it.01:58
Sc0rpiusI know I know :P01:58
kwtmOk.  I think we should maybe modify the   sed s/2048/$BIGNUMBER/   to quit after the first occurrence (not sure how to do it with sed; I know how to do it with awk).01:58
kwtmAnyway, now trying to convince my KDE hex editor to behave like a real KDE program. :(01:59
SpeedEvilkwtm: yes01:59
kwtmThere's a space before 2048, so I think it should work that we do / 2048/30720/ to preserve the file length.02:00
DocScrutinizerI think we should modify it to s/  size = 2048/ size = ?????/02:00
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Ah, even better idea.  Yes, we should do it that way.02:00
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kwtmOk, in case you were interested:  I did try s/size = 2048/size = 30720/ which makes the file longer by 1 char.  It said: Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB \n Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA  \n FIASCO subimage data length mismatch.  So it does check the length.  Now trying modification without changing length.02:07
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kwtmNow flashing ... it says "erasing CMT".  WHat is CMT?  Cellular Modem thingy?02:09
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kwtmOkay, so as I said, it proceeded to the "Erasing CMT" part which it hadn't before, so there has been progress made.  BUt now it says    "SU_PREPARE_DATA_BLOCK_REQ terminated with error code 3."  (this is after "Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_002")   So it looks like it was putting the "combined" image on and found some error ... I don't even know if it's a real error or some warning.02:14
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kwtmNope, the N900 is non-responsive.02:14
kwtmAny ideas?  If no, I'm going to try reflashing with PR 1.2 instead of PR 1.302:15
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kwtmOk, guys, the N900 is not responding to plugging/unplugging USB, keypresses, or the power button in attempts to reflash those images.02:17
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kwtmman, this channel is strangely silent now that something's gone wrong, compared to when someone said, "just read the wiki.  We're all telling you to read the wiki."02:20
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kwtmbecause it's midnight in Europe, right?02:21
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Venemokwtm, it's 01:22 AM in EU02:22
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SpeedEvilNo, it's not.02:22
SpeedEvilWell, it is, but not only.02:22
SpeedEvilIt's also 0:2202:22
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, did you know how fun C++0x is?02:27
DocScrutinizerkwtm: flashing CMT is a COMBINED thing, unrelated to VANILLA02:30
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Well, I guess the question now is: why am I not able to flash?02:31
DocScrutinizerkwtm: but I think 30720 is definitely too keen02:31
kwtmDocScrutinizer: So you think it might just be a matter of extent, and maybe 28G would be ok?02:32
DocScrutinizerI guess the flashing CMT does some storing of the cellmo FW to eMMC prior to flashing it to modem from there02:32
DocScrutinizer28 should be ok02:33
kwtmAhhh... wow, this is more complex than I thought.  Ok, will try 28.  That would make sense of the error msg.02:33
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: nope02:34
DocScrutinizerkwtm: flasing the safe way (start flasher, plug in N900, insert battery while holding 'u') should still work02:36
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DocScrutinizerunless some bad luck caused NOLO getting damaged, which would need a coldflashing procedure (slightly more complex than usual flashing)02:37
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Hmm... it takes quite a bit of acrobatics to insert battery while holding 'u' so I'm inserting the battery (device off) and then holding 'u' while plugging in USB.02:38
DocScrutinizeryeah, but make sure it doesn't start up on inserting bat. Sometimes it does that02:38
VenemoDocScrutinizer, lambda functions are fun02:39
DocScrutinizeraah, I know those from errr Python?02:39
kwtmHmm, after flashing the eMMC, now it says Suitable USB device not found, waiting.  even though the Nokia is plugged into USB and in fact already flashed partway this way.02:39
VenemoDocScrutinizer, I dunno noting about Python02:40
VenemoDocScrutinizer, see
DocScrutinizerkwtm: after flashing VANILLA you need to shutdown the device by removing bat02:40
DocScrutinizerbug in NOLO02:41
kwtmwtf? I think I may have contributed to my problem --I'm supposed to flash eMMC first and then combined, right?02:41
kwtmWhy did I reverse the order in my script that I wrote last year?  I already knew this last year.  Strange ... I just never double-checked...02:41
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DocScrutinizerit's irrelevant as long as you don't start the linux kernel in between flashes02:42
kwtmNo?  It says ... oh.  Ok.  So my script was right.02:42
DocScrutinizerand actually flashing COMBINED last is more safe, except it has that nasty NOLO bug02:42
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Okay, so you're saying that although it shouldn't matter which order I flash it in, it's better to have eMMC first, and combined last (as long as I then remove the battery and reinsert after flashing combined).02:43
DocScrutinizeras you may flash COMBINED any time, you of course also may flash it after VANILLA02:44
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kwtmWell, right now it's not flashing vanilla.  It says no USB device, and the USB cable is plugged right in.02:44
DocScrutinizerwell, you'll need a bat inserted to flash COMBINED ;-D02:44
kwtmCan I unplug and then replug or will it try to do nasty stuff like boot up again?02:44
kwtmI *did* flash combined ...02:45
kwtmI'm waiting for it to flash eMMC.  Remove the battery again?02:45
DocScrutinizerremove and insert bat, flash VANILLA, remove and insert bat, flash COMBINED02:46
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kwtmDocScrutinizer: That's what I was saying, flash Vanilla first, and you said it didn't matter.  Ok, so now I will go trying again with flashing Vanilla first.02:46
DocScrutinizermake sure the device is powered down and hold 'u' while plugging in02:47
DocScrutinizer[2011-04-09 01:42:50] <DocScrutinizer> and actually flashing COMBINED last is more safe, except it has that nasty NOLO bug02:47
kwtm[16:43] <kwtm> DocScrutinizer: Okay, so you're saying that although it shouldn't matter which order I flash it in, it's better to have eMMC first, and combined last02:50
DocScrutinizerkwtm: my [2011-04-09 01:41:45] <DocScrutinizer> no << was ambiguous02:50
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DocScrutinizerkwtm: and yes, that's what I was saying02:51
kwtmOk, so now I started over again, removed batt, reinserted (device did not start up by itself), I hold 'u' down and plug in USB.    Then it says "USB device found found at bus 001, device address 028.  Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 NOLO version 1.4.14 Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_002 Booting device into flash mode.  "02:52
kwtmThen it says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting.     " so it's not flashing.02:53
kwtmSo it's not flashing the eMMC at all.02:53
DocScrutinizerthat's a problem of cable or PC02:53
DocScrutinizeror battery of N900 getting weak02:53
kwtmNo, because the first time it said "suitable USB device not found/waiting", when I plugged it in, it did give the few lines I gave above.  But then it stopped again with USB device not found.  Also, I was able to flash firmware.02:54
kwtmbattery was full an hour ago.02:54
DocScrutinizerreboot your PC02:55
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DocScrutinizeror make sure there's no cdc_ether and cdc_lokia module loaded (or was it g_* ?)02:56
kwtmOk, the "safe way to flash" that you mentioned (batt out, start flasher program, plug in USB, hold down u key, insert battery) does not work and the flasher program does not even detect the USB connection the first time (as opposed to detecting it, spitting out a few lines of output and then hanging at a second "waiting for USB"-type message).02:58
kwtmWhat does the cdc_ether and cdc_lokia do?  I can just rmmod it?02:59
DocScrutinizerhmm, timing of the protocol at start of flashing is kinda tricky. Sometimes fails. As long as you flash COMBINED last you can experiment, plug first while holding 'u' and make sure the USB icon is on NOKIA screen, then start flasher03:00
DocScrutinizerthey are both drivers that deal with mass storage and nokiasuite03:00
DocScrutinizeror similar crap, actually phonet03:01
DocScrutinizerphonet is another driver that mustn't be loaded03:01
DocScrutinizerall those may get loaded as soon as you accidentally boot up the N900 while connected03:01
DocScrutinizermodprobe -r is safe03:02
kwtmThanks for taking the time to help me with this.03:03
kwtmcan you check ?03:04
kwtmaaarrrghhh... so I've removed module   cdc_phonet, and then when I reflash and it hangs at the second "waiting for USB" message, I see that cdc_phonet has been reloaded.  How do I tell it not to reload that module?03:06
DocScrutinizerjust try with an unmodified image, to make sure03:06
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kwtmGood grief, so it looks like Ubuntu has reloaded itself to make it unable to flash my N900...03:06
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DocScrutinizerlooks like N900 booted into kernel or sth, you didn't use -R parameter, did you?03:07
nox-do you have a dir /etc/modprobe.d ?03:08
kwtm"-R" parameter with what?  You mean the flasher program?03:08
nox-if yes you could try putting a blacklist file in there...03:08
kwtmOhhh... I did.  Is that a reboot flag?  Damn, I think I switched the order of the image files and also swapped the -R parameter into the first image without moving it to the second image.  Ok.03:09
nox-DocScrutinizer, if ubuntu loaded cdc_phonet it probably has attached to the device?03:09
kwtmCan I leave out the -R parameter altogether?  And reboot manually?03:09
DocScrutinizeryes, that's absolutely mandatory03:09
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Sorry, what I meant was: to be safe, I don't use -R for either the firmware or eMMC reflash, and then just remove/reinsert battery to reboot?03:10
kwtmJust to be safe, in case in the future I swap the order of those lines again.03:10
DocScrutinizeroooh you're using a script?03:11
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kwtmDocScrutinizer: Right, I'm using a script so I can make quick changes and also remember a year from now what I did.  Is that a problem?03:11
kwtmalso, it is still hanging wiht the second "waiting for USB".  It seems like  cdc_phonet  is a more likely culprit now?03:12
DocScrutinizernow that makes more sense then. I got extremely puzzled why it says "no device found" a second time03:12
DocScrutinizerkwtm: you need to boot up device for each time you're flashing03:12
DocScrutinizer[2011-04-09 01:46:13] <DocScrutinizer> remove and insert bat, flash VANILLA, remove and insert bat, flash COMBINED03:13
DocScrutinizerhold 'u' EACH TIME03:13
DocScrutinizerhard to do when running from a script03:13
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kwtmDocScrutinizer: Right, I know that.  I've got a wait-for-user thing in between.  See    Right now the errors are occurring for the eMMC *only*03:14
kwtmIn fact, tell you what, I'm going to comment out the firmware reflash entirely and only reflash eMMC.03:14
DocScrutinizerthe script method only works when flashing COMBINED first, as on flashing VANILLA NOLO hangs when finished03:14
DocScrutinizerbut then you MUST omit -R on first flasher cmdline - i.e. the COMBINED flashing in that case03:16
kwtmI did omit "-R" on both flasher command lines now --isn't that what shows?03:17
DocScrutinizeras with this sequence the device MUST NOT boot after flashing COMBINED before flashing VANILLA03:18
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kwtmAnyway, I commented out the Combined flashing entirely.  So now it's flashing only Vanilla.  And it's giving the same error message as in
kwtm(In case you haven't noticed, those are two different pasties.)03:19
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DocScrutinizeryou tried with an unpatched image file?03:20
kwtmYes, I tried with an unpatched image file.03:20
DocScrutinizerthen that's probably caused by your PC or by cable03:21
DocScrutinizerI couldn't think of anything else, except of course weak battery03:21
nox-or ubuntu as i said03:22
* kwtm is thinking back to 2.5 hours ago: [14:48] <kwtm> alterego: I don't want to mess this up. ... [14:49] <alterego> Well doesn't matter if you do. You can always do it again :P03:22
nox-loading that phonet module03:22
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kwtmIt's not a cable.   It flashed the firmware fine.  Also cables don't work for the first connection, and then after 4 lines of output stop working.   The battery was charged to full (it refused to charge further since the battery was already full) and it lasts at least 8 hours if it's not using wifi.03:23
kwtmWill check that phonet module ... nox-, you were saying something about a module.d directory?03:23
DocScrutinizerkwtm: flashing eats lots of battery. NOLO has no powwr management03:24
kwtmDocScrutinizer: So ... then what?   Can I recharge the battery while in the N900 is improperly reflashed?03:25
DocScrutinizerbut as long as it starts with usb icon on NOKIA screen, the battery should be ok03:25
kwtmDocScrutinizer: It does start with USB icon on (dark) Nokia screen.03:26
DocScrutinizerthen it's probably your PC03:26
kwtmnox-: I see now that you said /etc/modprobe.d, but within that directory,   "grep phonet *" reveals nothing.03:26
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nox-yeah thats fine, try putting a file in there with `blacklist cdc_phonet'03:27
kwtmnot sure how to blacklist it.  Under what filename should I file this blacklist?03:27
nox-something like /etc/modprobe.d/custom-backlist03:27
nox-then rmmod it and try again03:27
pupnikhey nox, my client is starting to come together
pupniki the layout of elements is starting to settle-in to 'optimal'03:28
nox-which game is that?  (/me not much of a gamer :)03:29
SpeedEvilpupnik: Looking good.03:29
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pupniksays so on the pic :)03:30
SpeedEvilA bit busy. But ...03:30
pupnikwell it's kind of stats-driven03:31
pupniki've hidden away a lot already03:31
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SpeedEvilThe top bar is what - inventory?03:31
kwtmnox-: There is a cdc_phonet and a phonet.  Do I need to blacklist both?03:31
pupnikbound to wertyuio03:31
pupnik(no F1-F8 available)03:31
nox-kwtm, dunno, but i guess wouldnt hurt03:32
kwtmnox-: THere is also a cdc_acm.  That's okay?03:33
DocScrutinizerkwtm: then look at lsmod, and rmmod / modprobe -r all *phonet*03:33
nox-kwtm, i doubt n900 would use that03:33
DocScrutinizerrmmod it03:33
DocScrutinizerwon't hurt either03:33
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Ok, now  "lsmod | grep phonet" gives no output.  Think it's all gone03:33
kwtmOk, so the flasher script is still giving the same response, hanging after the second "waiting for USB".  There is no output from "lsmod | grep phonet" .03:36
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DocScrutinizerbasically you can rmmod all you suspect and like to do. rmmod won't remove any modules that are in use03:36
nox-anything else like cdc?03:36
DocScrutinizerand I'd really ask you to enter this one cmdline directly to a root xterm03:37
kwtmHere's a clue: when I reinsert the batt, then slide out the keyboard, then hold down u, then insert the USB cable, then the dark nokia screen *with* the USB symbol comes up ... but then the USB symbol disappears.  Is that a clue?  And the charger LED is glowing steady orange (not flashing orange like when charging)03:37
DocScrutinizernot via script03:37
kwtmDocScrutinizer: But if rmmod didn't work if the module is in use, wouldn't  lsmod show it?03:37
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Okay, I will enter that command via root to command line, instead of in a script.03:38
DocScrutinizerkwtm: I just meant it's safe to rmmod *03:38
kwtmActually, let me try one more thing before I panic.03:38
kwtmOkay, so there's one thing that works, and has consistently worked:03:39
kwtmflashing the firmware.03:39
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kwtmSo I commented out the "flashing eMMC" line in the script, and uncommented in the "flashing firmware".  So it's happily flashing the firmware now.  (right now it's on the erasing CMT step)03:40
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kwtmSo I think that pretty much rules out any cable/battery/phonet thing, right?03:40
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DocScrutinizerplease rmmod all suspicious cdc_* and *phonet*, then plug in the device while holding 'u' (without flasher started!) and see if the USB icon stays there for at least 30s. Then start flasher cmd for COMBINED, without -R03:41
DocScrutinizerbut still I'm very unhappy about that script, as it adds complexity and points of failure03:43
kwtmI'm going to try something first --not disrespecting your advice, just trying  this.  I've flashed the firmware.  Now I'm going to let it boot up and see what it does.  Whatever firmware is left in there...03:43
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kwtmDocScrutinizer: Are you serious?  For me the script makes things a lot simpler and easier to test, I have a record of what happened, etc.   It's basically exactly what I would type on the commandline, except I don't have to misspell filenames/options, etc.03:43
kwtmI am actually very nervous about typing anything on the command line.  WIth a script I can proof read it first.03:44
DocScrutinizeryeah, and your pastebins don't show any cmdline03:44
DocScrutinizerplease at least add set -v to top of your script03:45
nox-you mean -x ?03:45
DocScrutinizeror that03:45
DocScrutinizersorry, I'm tired03:46
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kwtmOk, well, it's booted up.  I guess the firmware works.  Now I have a blank N900.  I think for now I'll just reload everything.03:46
kwtmThe vfat ~/MyDocs is still 27G and /home is still 2GB.  I think I'll leave it and go repartition some other time.03:46
kwtmHow do I tell whether it's PR 1.2 or PR 1.3?03:47
DocScrutinizerI think you urgently should check what mount and df -h are telling you03:47
kwtmmount and df -h are saying okay things.03:47
DocScrutinizersettings, about product03:48
kwtmBut non-ideal.  It's still the old partitioning.  I'm going to turn it in for a while.  I need to check if I got voicemail (I have a potential new employer) and I couldn't without cell phone.03:48
kwtmWay ahead of you.  Was charging before I typed "mount " "df -h".03:48
kwtmMaemo 5 version 20.2010.36 --is that PR 1.3?03:48
kwtmMan, I almost forgot where to find settings, with my customizations all gone.03:49
kwtmThank you DocScrutinizer.  And my lesson is: never trust someone who says, "It's easy!  Just read the wiki!  None of us have had problems!"03:49
nox-wont it copy stuff to opt for a few mins now after a fresh flash?03:50
DocScrutinizermy suspicion is the edit of VANILLA didn't pan out03:50
kwtmDocScrutinizer: No, I tried flashing the unmodified firmware and it didn't work, remember?03:50
nox-so may want to wait for that to finish first03:50
kwtmI mean unmodified eMMC.03:50
DocScrutinizerthat's why I was unhappy with the script03:51
DocScrutinizertoo easy to forget about correct filename, and try over and over with the wrong cmdline03:51
kwtmWell, the script doesn't edit Vanilla.  I manually edited vanilla.  The script just sets $EMMC_IMAGE_FILENAME (I didn't show that part of the script)03:52
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Oh, it shows the filename before it flashes.  Do you want the full script?03:52
DocScrutinizerhappy it recovered so far03:52
kwtmIt checks the filename, makes sure it exists, displays it to the user, waits for the user to press Enter, then flashes one, then waits for Enter, then flashes another.03:52
kwtmAnd comments in my script show all the different filenames I've tried.  So I can track which is which.03:52
kwtmYeah, I'm too happy about it just working to be frustrated.03:53
DocScrutinizerkwtm: flashing getting right first time sometimes is a bit frustrating. You probably should've tried without customizations first, to get familiar with the pitfalls03:54
kwtmDocScrutinizer: I did.  I've flashed before, last year.  That's why I have the script.  And it went smoothly once I knew what I was doing.03:54
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Heck, I ended up flashing twice a day to track down that stupid forever-dots bug that no one believed me about.03:55
DocScrutinizeralso quite possible the 'old' VANILLA simply doesn't work on the PR1.303:55
kwtm??  What?  I did not find a new VANILLA for the new PR 1.3 on the web site.03:56
DocScrutinizerafter all the new one looks massively different03:56
kwtmI was surprised that they would be using the old Vanilla, too, but when I tried to download "the lastest Vanilla", I found that I already had a file with the same exact filename.03:56
DocScrutinizerwell, you edited the one with the plain text, no?03:56
kwtmSince the version number is part of the filename, it looks like it's the same file (unless they changed the file but kept the filename)03:56
DocScrutinizerI gather your 'unpatched' version of VANILLA also been the old one03:57
kwtmDocScrutinizer: What do you mean?   I had   RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin  from before already (which is current, according to the web site); then I edited it and saved it as    Vanilla_30G.bin  and another as Vanilla_28G.bin  (not the real filename but you get the idea).  So I was unable to flash the old   RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin03:58
DocScrutinizerRX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin is the 'old' one03:58
kwtmYes, the "unpatched" was the old file.  In fact, to make sure I didn't edit it by mistake, I did   chmod -w   on it.03:58
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Is there a newer version of Vanilla?  What is it called?  I didn't see it on the web site.03:59
kwtmDocScrutinizer: That's the combined firmware.   Weren't we talking about the Vanilla eMMC?04:00
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DocScrutinizersorry I'm definitely too tired04:00
pupnikmhm same04:01
kwtmWell, you should definitely get some sleep.  Thanks for your help anyway.  But as far as I can tell, I did everything by the book and we have an undiagnosed problem with flashing the firmware (which I have already flashed before, a year ago) which is not explained by my computer, cable, battery, etc.04:01
kwtmProbably just another case of the "oh yeah, kwtm found a new bug --sorry about that, we never noticed that one before".   >sigh<04:02
DocScrutinizersomewhat, yes04:02
DocScrutinizernah, I guess the relatively small number of samples allows for a mere coincidence04:02
DocScrutinizertry again flashing plain VANILLA tomorrow. I guess it will work then04:03
kwtmI *am* flashing with plain Vanilla ... and it *is* tomorrow!  (at least for you)04:03
kwtmanyway... I'm going to try flashing with Windows.04:03
kwtmactually, I'll try PR 1.2 first.04:04
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kwtmI've spent too much time on this not to try everything else and make this time a big waste.04:04
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nox-wait for the charge to finish first i guess...04:05
Sazpaimonhow do I get maemo to automount a non vfat sd card04:06
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Sazpaimoni have my sd card format hfsplus, and i can manually mount it fine, but it doesnt mount when inserting04:06
cehtehSazpaimon: the setup is a bit fucked up you have to go over all the scripts and stuff04:09
* cehteh just commented everything out and mounting it from a handwritten fstab04:10
cehtehautomatically on boot, but not on remove/insert04:10
DocScrutinizerdesktop execution widget FTW04:11
DocScrutinizeror QueenBeecon04:11
Sazpaimonwell, its not a big deal04:11
Sazpaimoni dont expect it to remain hfsplus for much loger04:11
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SazpaimonI needed to make a liveusb install of OSx04:12
DocScrutinizerI'm amazed we got a driver for hfsplus04:12
Sazpaimonwe didn't04:12
Sazpaimoni backported hfsutils from sid04:12
Sazpaimonwhich was a simple process actually04:12
Sazpaimoni think hfsutils is just a usermode library04:12
kwtmActually, since I know that I can repartition as root, it's not worthwhile trying the reflash04:13
nox-oh so its via fuse?04:13
cehtehis hfs+ supported on sdcards in the iphone .. oh stop .. iphone has no card slot :P04:13
Sazpaimonit isn't via fuse, actually04:13
Sazpaimoni dont know how it works without a driver04:13
cehtehthe titan kernel may even have hfs+04:13
cehtehwhat kernel do you use? stock?04:13
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cehtehlikely supports hfs+04:14
DocScrutinizerkwtm: to repartition you have to umount /home (->/opt)04:14
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Sazpaimoncehteh, i dont think so, hfs kernel support wasnt a dependency for the package04:15
Sazpaimon the debian package isnt very descriptive04:16
cehtehSazpaimon: it isnt .. the userland tools work on the raw device and dont need kernel support04:16
cehtehyou need kernel support when you want to mount the device, thats all04:16
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Sazpaimonhow does the titan kernel have features, are they compiled in or modules04:16
cehtehif you only use the phone as expensive card-reader which exports the raw device too, then kernel support isnt needed eitehr04:16
Sazpaimoni can just lsmod it04:16
cehtehprolly modules04:16
cehtehyou can mount it .. so your kernel supports it04:17
nox-anyway im off04:17
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Sazpaimonyeah i guess i cant argue that04:17
cehtehcat /proc/filesystems04:17
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Sazpaimoncehteh, hfsplus isnt listed04:18
cehtehbut you mounted it on the device?04:19
Sazpaimonunles I was mistaken04:19
cehtehah while its mounted .. it only lists loaded filesystems04:19
cehtehthere it is04:20
Sazpaimon/dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type hfsplus (0)04:21
Sazpaimonyeah there it is04:21
Sazpaimonit made its way to filesystems04:21
Sazpaimonso what does hfsutils even do04:21
cehtehcreating/checking a hfs filesystem?04:21
Sazpaimonit has an hvol, hmount, hcopy, etc files04:22
cehtehsome *fs-utils come with mount helpers, but i guess thats not the case for hfs+04:22
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cehtehi dont know the hfs+ userland04:22
SazpaimonUsage: hmount source-path [partition-no]04:22
cehtehxfs is strange enough :P04:22
cehteh(i dont use that either :P)04:22
Sazpaimoni think the mount helpers is the hfsprogs package04:23
Sazpaimonthat's some good forward thinking, including an hfsplus module04:24
Sazpaimonnobody even requested that04:24
DocScrutinizerbut then missing out the ISO9660 or some other module, needed for plugging in a DVD drive to h-e-n :-/04:27
SpeedEvilyou can format DVDs as ext304:28
DocScrutinizeryoh, but not playback DrHouse04:28
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Well, I plan to do what SpeedEvil did and: umount ~/MyDocs, delete and create new smaller partition also vfat and remount ~/MyDocs, then use leftover space to have big ext3 partition, probably mounting it under /mount/bigext3 or some such directory.  Then move everything in opt over to a subdir inside it (say /mount/bigext3/opt) and symlink opt to that.04:28
SpeedEvilkwtm: The problem is the leftover space will not automount.04:28
SpeedEvilI don't care about this, as it's media stuff I don't want indecxtd.04:29
cehtehall there ..04:29
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Sazpaimonhm, all hfsprogs gives is mkfs.hfsplus and fsck.hfsplus04:29
kwtmOkay, I need help: this is not doing anything:   dpkg --set-selections < (file I previously stored output of dpkg --get-selections)      Why isn't it reinstalling?  (Yes, I am root.)04:29
kwtmSpeedEvil: What do you mean?  I can't put it in fstab?04:29
SpeedEvilkwtm: no04:29
SpeedEvilkwtm: fstab is autogenerated04:29
cehtehyou can disable that :P04:30
SpeedEvilSome awk script in /etc/I.forget/04:30
cehteha few # at the right places04:30
SpeedEvilI prefer to screw with system scripts as little as possible.04:30
SpeedEvilFor ovious reasons.04:30
cehtehwell .. if the are that broken04:31
kwtmN900 doesn't charge when turned off, right?  (Like, "off" off, not "i turned off the screen" off)04:32
cehtehah :)04:32
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cehtehkwtm: it boots into an act-dead mode when you plug in power04:33
kwtmOh good.  Thx, cehteh04:33
Sazpaimondoesnt that apply for every nokia phone, if not every phone04:34
cehtehsidenote .. usb hubs dont provide power when the computer they are attached too is turned off .. even when the hub is powered by a AC-adapter04:34
cehtehat least thats true for mine04:34
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SpeedEvilcehteh: That varies04:34
Sazpaimoncehteh, some machines still supply some power to the usb ports04:35
SpeedEvilcehteh: Cheaper powered hubs don't isolate the outputs.04:35
cehtehmaybe .. but its pita, i once turned the computer off and my n900 drained to zero :P04:35
SpeedEvilAlso - sometimes USB standby is enabled.04:35
Sazpaimonuse an xbox 36004:35
SpeedEvilThis helps keyboard-wake fore xample work04:35
Sazpaimonthat keeps power to the usb ports when turned off04:35
cehtehmhm maybe i shall enable keyboard/usb wakeup in the bios. .. that miht help04:36
SpeedEvilSee if you can turn on 'powerr insuspend or similar in BIOS or OS04:36
kwtmI was trying to figure out what the first thing I would install is on a N900 that's been wiped clean ... turns out it's the keyboard remap cuz I can't stand having to bring up that symbols screen every time I want to type {} [] | ~ or ^    :P04:36
cehtehwell usually this computer runs 24/704:36
SpeedEvilFor me it's fleshlight.04:36
SpeedEvilOr opensshd04:36
SpeedEvilOr fbreader04:36
cehtehapropos status report .. how far is megoo on the n900, useable yet?04:37
DocScrutinizerkwtm: why don't you restore?04:37
BCMMkwtm: i keep meaning to look in to that, for LaTeX - how does that work? which symbols does it get rid of?04:38
SpeedEvilcehteh: Someone came to visit, using meego for something. It looked unusable.04:39
DocScrutinizerwell, two days ago I seen a post on #meego: "embarrassing! I have to boot to maemo, as I need a working device"04:39
kwtmDocScrutinizer: I didn't backup using the built-in backup utility.  I did dpkg --get-selections > filename.  Everything is there when I list the file.  It's just that  dpkg --set-selections doens't seem to do what I thought it would do.04:39
SpeedEvil(I don't know if they werre using the most recent version though)04:39
DocScrutinizerkwtm: dpkg won't restore your settings etc04:40
kwtmBCMM: What do you mean?  If you're referring to the keyboard, I've put {}[]<>~^|%  without getting rid of any other keys.04:40
BCMMkwtm: how's that work?04:40
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BCMMthree-button combos?04:41
kwtmBCMM: Also I got rid of that stupid ? for Shift-Fn ., so I can actually do Fn-lock and type in numbers with decimal points.  Also it's ridiculous that the space bar doesn't give a space when I press Fn so I changed that.04:41
kwtmBCMM: Yeah, 3-button combos are great, as long as you avoid certain keys that actually end up typing two keys.  Like Shift-Fn-J will type that character plus whatever's define for Shift-Fn-K.  Something to do with the way the hardware is.04:41
kwtmIt works if you do Shift(release)- Fn (release) - J04:42
kwtmBCMM: It works great, and I can't work without it.  I mean, even if you don't do bash programming, even typing a percent sign in everyday email usage is a chore without keyboard remapping.04:42
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Oh once I've got all the programs restored, I can do an rsync from my home server, which has ~/ backed up.04:43
SpeedEvilEspecially due to
povbot`Bug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard.04:43
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kwtmThank $DEITY the N900 has a few basic utilities like sed already onboard.  3 cheers for busybox!04:48
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils04:49
kwtmDocScrutinizer: Yes yes, I know about busybox and scripting.  I mean that I had sed to edit my selections list so I can apt-get install the whole list of files without having to do it manually, so that it will install packages like bash.04:51
kwtmWhat I mean is, it's a good thing that, without installing bash, there is busybox.  We all have our freedom to be grateful to an extent of our choice, and mine is a great extent.04:51
DocScrutinizerI meant I'd prefer they had opted for bash + tools and no busybox at all04:55
kwtmWell, busybox is great for systems with limited memory ... and I'm not sure I want bash executing my scripts on the N900.04:55
kwtmEspecially bootup scripts.  They're slower on bash.04:55
kwtmSo now we have the best of both worlds! :)04:56
DocScrutinizerkwtm: how much slower?04:58
* SpeedEvil can't find his bechmarks.04:59
SpeedEvilIt was a fair bit slower.04:59
SpeedEvili think I worked out likely 1-2s boot04:59
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kwtmSorry, was watching the dpkg script scroll by.  I don't know how much slower05:18
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djszapifrom which library does the media player try to grab the video files ?08:12
djszapiit is a bit strange I cannot open files frm arbitrary locations...08:14
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Termanagood morning10:08
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djszapiany idea for mplayer and media player issues ?10:16
MohammadAGI'm not sure what you mean by what library10:17
djszapi* folder10:17
djszapiso where should I put my ogv file to in order to appear in the main screen of the media player when I launch it ?10:18
thomastpjeremiah_: ping10:18
djszapitracker ?10:19
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djszapiMohammadAG: care too ellaborate ?10:21
djszapi* to10:21
MohammadAGwhat mime type does the ogv file have?10:21
djszapino idea10:22
djszapi"..." ?10:22
MohammadAGrun "file -i somefile.ogv" in terminal10:23
MohammadAGsomefile should obviously be a valid ogv file10:23
djszapiCommunication_as_a_Service_what_Telepathy_is_bringing_to_the_KDE_Software_Compilation-George_Goldberg.ogv: application/ogg; charset=binary10:23
djszapiwell, it can played on my desktop PC.10:23
djszapi* be10:23
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MohammadAGcheck if it's the same mime type on the N90010:24
MohammadAGtracker-register-mimetype -c Videos -a application/ogg10:24
djszapiit worked previously.10:24
MohammadAGkillall mafw-dbus-wrapper10:24
djszapiwhere does the mediaplayer get the video files from ?10:27
djszapiwhich folder does it analyze ?10:27
djszapion my N900: file -i Communication_as_a_Service_what_Telepathy_is_bringing_to_the_KDE_Software_Compilation-George_Goldberg.ogv10:28
djszapi-sh: file: not found10:28
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djszapiHow can I open an ogv file with the mediaplayer ?10:48
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nszeekAnyone can tell me what does the following messages on my nokia n900 (dmesg) means ? [  322.869689] adp1653 2-0030: failed writing fault register11:53
nszeek[  322.870361] video4linux video0: can't power up slaves11:53
SpeedEvilThe adp1653 is the focus control I think.11:55
SpeedEvilsorry - it's the flash controller11:56
nszeekSpeedEvil: Any idea if this is a hardware issue or a software issue ?11:56
SpeedEvilAt first glance, a hardware issue.11:56
nszeekSpeedEvil: Thanks.11:57
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SpeedEvilThough the datasheet suggests that the fault register is read-only.12:02
SpeedEvilMaybe it's sloppy wording.12:02
nszeekSpeedEvil: Been trying to get my camera to work for quite some time now ... even re-flashing the device doesn't work.12:03
nszeekI am about to take it to some sort of tech support12:04
SpeedEvilMy first guess would be that it's an actual hardware failure.12:04
SpeedEvilI'm currently finding the source - as that message is odd.12:05
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nszeekCould be I guess. However I bought the phone outside my country so Nokia doesn't provide "support" for it in my country. I will have to take it to an outside consultant or something which can't be good (the guy I spoke to didn't even know how to reflash the device).12:05
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SpeedEvilOk - the driver wording is bad - but it means the same - it can't clear a fault condition from the flash driver for some reason.12:08
nszeekAs in hardware fault condition ?12:09
SpeedEvilActually - on closer reading - it's probably not getting any response from the flash driver at all.12:10
SpeedEvilIt's failing to write the status reset register.12:11
SpeedEvilAnd then erroring out.12:11
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nszeekWell, thanks. Guess I will take it to the tech support tomorrow then and hope the guy doesn't break it even further12:11
SpeedEvilIn principle, you could compile a kernel to ignore the flash - that assumes there are not further hardware problems though. I would guess at this point you need the flash driver chip replaced. After checking that it's getting power.12:16
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nszeekI found some threads on the maemo forums saying I should try new kernels ... didn't help. Installing some pre-compiled fcam-drivers didn't help either ...12:17
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lardmanmorning chaps12:28
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SpeedEvilI remain to be convinced.12:33
SpeedEvilI mean - sure - the clock says 10:30, the sun is shining in, but for it to be truly morning, I'd need to have gotten out of bed.12:33
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lardmando you not find the top heaviness of the N900 makes typing on your back dangerous - broken nose/teeth/etc could result ;)12:36
nszeeklol, what ?12:36
SpeedEvilI'm lying down, using a keyboard on my lap (under the covers).12:36
SpeedEvil(and not the n900)12:36
maybeWTFi actually had it fall on my head once while watchin tv episodes in bed & falling asleep12:36
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MohammadAGalterego, ping12:45
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kerioi have bootmenu installed, do i have to do something weird before reflashing?13:15
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kerioalternative question: will reflashing combined+vanilla with the flasher make the n900 return to factory conditions, software-wise?13:17
MohammadAGfollow up question: are you selling it?13:17
MohammadAGand yes, besides the lock code13:18
keriono, i'm just resetting it to pr1.3 + cssu13:18
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MohammadAG any suggestions?13:20
* MohammadAG still can't figure out how to select items13:20
alteregoThe album art reflection looks weird13:21
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alteregoSort of makes it look like there's a semi transparent bar along the bottom or something13:22
keriodoes anyone have their product id for
kerioi mean, copypastable13:23
alteregoDon't you? :P13:23
alteregoIt's written on the phone13:23
MohammadAGalterego, the controls are auto hidden, it looks better on the device anyway13:23
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alteregoOr *#06# shows it13:23
MohammadAGbut I hate how the ListView is basically just a list, without any signals/highlights etc13:24
kerioi can't copypaste that!13:24
alteregoWhy don't you do a bottom border on the list items13:25
alteregokerio: I don't want to publish my IMEI on the internet thanks.13:25
alteregoMohammadAG: I'd also do a scroll indicator13:26
alteregoYou're problem is black is bloody boring :P13:27
alteregoanyway bbl13:29
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kerioNOLO_REQ_GET_STATUS: Result too large wat13:45
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pupnikthe most amazing 256 byte demo ever
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pupnikthis needs to be in a bootloader trojan or mailheader trojan or smth14:19
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pupnikis there a normal gl/gles version of that hyperbolic lattice?14:22
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pupnikone of the coolest guys in the world14:30
pupniknobody has ever freakin come close to n900 i'm afraid14:33
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pupnik  i made a new player inventory background14:43
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djszapiany idea how to make the mediaplayer work ? :)15:02
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djszapiI cannot really open an existing video files from my system with it...15:02
djszapiI do not see any open button or something where I can browse the filesystem for a video.15:03
pupnikwhere do the screenshots get saved?!15:04
pupnikit says 'press camera key to take a screenshot' but then when i press the camera key it says 'open lens cover'15:05
djszapipupnik: maemo is full of magic :)15:05
pupnikdo you know how to take a screenshot?15:05
pupnikin a hurry15:05
djszapicompile scrot manually :)15:05
pupnikthere's a screenshot button15:06
pupnikdo you know how to use it?15:06
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alteregoCTRL+SHIT+P takes a screenshot and sticks it under ~/MyDocs/.images/screenshots15:09
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pupnik8ty ty15:10
djszapihi alterego: do you know how to open a video file with mediaplayer if it did not find anything by default, but there are video files in my /home/user/ and /home/user/MyDocs/15:11
alteregofile manager15:11
alteregoclick on file15:11
alteregoshould open the media player.15:11
pupnikfound it15:13
pupnikyt ty15:13
neal seems to suggest that the icd2 source is available.  Anyone know where it is?15:14
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pupniki am beginning to be proud of this:
alteregoWhat is it? :P15:20
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djszapialterego: do you have any idea why the mplayer does not display the video, but the sound works properly ?15:21
alteregoUnsupported video codec?15:21
alteregoHave you tried running it from commandline?15:22
GuySofthey all, is there a way i can help with the Diablo Community Project?15:25
MohammadAGI'm not sure if anyone involved still hangs out on #maemo15:28
MohammadAG~seen lma15:28
infobotlma <51bb52a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 226d 3h 4m 28s ago, saying: 'X-Fade: same here, thanks!'.15:28
djszapialterego: yes15:28
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alteregodjszapi: well, that should give you some indication of what's wrong.15:29
djszapiI can paste but I did not see the root cause15:30
djszapiI tried to reinstall ffmpeg fex.15:30
DocScrutinizerpupnik: the screenshot feature of load applet is kinda useless. ctrl-sh-p is way better (and doesn't capture its own notifiers ;-P)15:31
djszapialterego: do you know in which folder(s) the mediaplayer is looking for video files ?15:31
alteregodjszapi: should find them in ~/MyDocs15:32
alteregodjszapi: but if it's an unsupported codec .. It wont fild them.15:32
djszapimmh that is fairly odd....15:32
djszapialterego:: file manager does not see anything, just memory card :)15:34
djszapiand that is also unsupported.15:34
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: the mediaplayer - alas - does *not* look in any folder or location of filesystem for any files. It's completely depending on tracker. Where trackerd is looking for files can get configured by app tracker-cfg15:34
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djszapiMplayer: "Ogg file format detected..." "Selected audio coder: [ffvorbis] afm: ffmpeh (FFmpeg Vorbis)..."15:35
DocScrutinizerthere's a a plugin for mediaplayer to actually open files: grilo15:35
djszapi[AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory ... Video: no video15:36
djszapietc etc15:36
pupnikDocScrutinizer: thanks it does work15:36
MohammadAGignore the /dev/dsp error, it's from N810 times apparently15:37
djszapiI know well15:37
pupnikyou know how awesome maemo is... and opensource etc15:37
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pupnikpeople like me can make stuff with it15:37
djszapithat is why I said I did not see anything wrong.15:37
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djszapialterego: any clue ?15:42
MohammadAGffs sometimes I hate QML15:42
djszapiseems the format is supported well, no idea why mediaplayer does not see it ....15:42
alteregoMohammadAG: or do you hate yourself for not knowing it better :P15:42
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MohammadAGalterego, no, I hate it :P15:43
djszapialterego: is there any better video playing option on meego ? I would love to use it and drop maemo ;)15:43
MohammadAGI've been trying to get it to select an item from a ListView for 3 hours now15:43
MohammadAGit's ignoring all input15:43
djszapiMohammadAG: wfm15:43
alteregoCan I see your code15:45
alteregoListviews are easy, just have a mouse are in your delegate ..15:45
infobotalterego meant: Listviews area easy, just have a mouse are in your delegate ..15:45
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MohammadAGalterego, I have one15:45
djszapialterego: I wonder what else I could do if I have already reinstalled the mplayer more times and its dependencies...15:46
alteregodjszapi: what format is the videeo?15:46
alteregoYou could try vlc15:46
alteregoAnyway, I've got stuff todo.15:46
djszapiogv as said15:46
djszapiwell users use a mplayer for a reason, it should not be changed until it is really hopeless (fex. does not work by anybody) :)15:47
djszapi* player15:47
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MohammadAGline 13115:48
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alteregoIf you know what line the problem is what's the problem :P15:48
MohammadAGthat's where the mousearea is15:49
MohammadAGI don't know where the problem is :P15:49
MohammadAGI'm not getting the "wtf" either15:49
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alteregoYou should put the mouse area at the bottom of that component15:51
alteregoBelow the rows at least.15:51
MohammadAGI moved it up to test, didn't matter15:51
ShadowJKdjszapi, use or similar to paste output of mplayer15:52
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MohammadAGalterego, see? there isn't anything else wrong and it's still not working :P15:55
alteregoWell there's obviously something wrong :P15:56
* MohammadAG facepalms15:57
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MohammadAGalterego, I moved the delegate back into the qml but used the old one :P15:59
MohammadAGso it's working now, except for one minor problem, when I click an item it scroll to the one below15:59
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MohammadAGalterego, I take back what I said about QML :P16:14
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RST38h"Steve Wozniak told Reuters he would consider returning to an active role at Apple, the company he co-founded, and believes the consumer electronics giant could afford to be more open than it is."18:29
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GAN900I love how the whole company is trending to lowest common denominator.18:38
GAN900Their whole pro userbase has been pretty well abandoned.18:38
RST38hWhich one? =)18:39
RST38hAh, Apple... Who cares...18:39
GAN900I kind of do, because I like using their operating system18:41
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RST38hAnd, BTW, wait until you can only sell OSX programs via their AppStore, that will definitely bring a few planks down...18:41
GAN900and now the next big update is mostly composed of features ported from the iPad.18:41
GAN900I just wish there were some real pro apps available on Linux.18:42
GAN900Adobe needs to port their stuff.18:42
RST38hNot until there are people willing to shell $99+ for a Linux app =)18:42
GAN900Dunno, seems like Photoshop would sell.18:43
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RST38hGAN: Photoshop people are usually unable to discern left mouse button from the right onw =)18:51
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CoreI`hello all \o18:52
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n900-stuffso quiet18:54
* n900-stuff sitting in a boring wedding trying to pass time 18:55
GAN900RST38h, not in my experience. ;)18:58
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RST38hAh, there is still GIMP. NotPhotoshop but close enough.19:00
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GAN900I also need Premiere, After Effects, Lightroom, Illustrator and InDesign.19:03
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RST38hAnyone tried setting up OSX runtime env inside Linux? =)19:12
ArkanoiD-RST38h, desktop or iOS? desktop should work inside virtualbox with minor tweaks19:13
RST38hNo, not virtualbox19:17
ArkanoiD-scud battery seems to be damn good. the only thing that is quite common for all "chinese" batteries: charge meter goes wrong on high consumption. turn GPS on and run mappero on low charge and the phone is likely to turn off. You may turn it on again and see that there is still quite enough left.. but only if you do not drain it excessively.19:17
RST38hI mean creating a bunch of dynamic libraries and modifying to make OSX apps run natively inside Linux19:17
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ArkanoiD-RST38h, console/X11 ones?19:18
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RST38hno, the full Cocoa ones19:18
ShadowJKi guess you'd start from GNUStep, and then a binfmt handler in the kernel for the os x executable format...19:18
ArkanoiD-Cocoa might be tricky19:19
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* ArkanoiD- plays angry birds seasons.. if we could not (really!) run it on n900, it could save about 20 hours of productive life for me :-)19:20
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RST38hCan we run it on N900? Really?19:24
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ArkanoiD-RST38h, need a .deb? :-)19:29
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ArkanoiD-actually i'd pay for it if it was officially available for n90019:37
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mesxhi folks, i used dosfslabel to change label on eMMC fat32 partition, but it seems that label isnt changed, in File Manger it is, but when I mount it on archbox old label is shown. How can I check on n900 terminal is label changed?22:06
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MohammadAGfile manager uses BT name22:39
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mesxMohammadAG: is there maymbe some script that instantchanges label?22:44
MohammadAGumm, change the Bluetooth name22:44
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MohammadAGthat's what the file manager displays22:44
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lbtis bluemaemo supposed to work?22:54
lbtin 1.322:55
lbtI'm getting dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "GetMode" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist22:55
MohammadAGtry turning on bluetooth before starting BlueMaemo22:55
mesxjust checked "dosfslabel /dev/mmcblk0p1 maki" doesnt change name in file manager only bluetooth does. (dosfslabel works fine on memory card)22:57
lbtMohammadAG: trying...22:57
lbtlooks like it won't start anymore22:57
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lbtouch... no bluetooth22:58
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lbtgreat, I install bluemaemo and lose bluetooth... *sigh*23:02
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MohammadAGlbt, try start bluetoothd in a root shell23:04
MohammadAGmesx, yes, that's what I said...23:05
lbtI just rebooted MohammadAG...23:05
lbtdidn't help23:05
lbtbut :  ps -ef shows :  940 root      3408 S    /usr/sbin/bluetoothd -n23:06
lbtbefore rebooting I killed it and it autostarted23:06
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lbtI do notice that it asks for a device name when I enable BT ...that always used to be filled in23:07
lbtnothing obvious in dmesg or syslog23:07
MohammadAGdo you have bluez installed?23:07
lbtbluez is already the newest version.23:08
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lbtso yes23:08
lbtI followed : and and did the             apt-get install libeet1=1.2.2+svn41533-maemo123:08
povbot`Bug 9969: cant install BlueMaemo23:08
lbtwhich allowed me to install it23:09
MohammadAGtry reinstalling it23:09
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MohammadAGbluez that is23:09
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lbtReinstallation of bluez is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.23:09
lbthmm now I look at my repos in shell I see a mix of 1.2/1.3 ones23:11
lbtand the ssu one that I've not installed23:11
mesxwhat process do I have to kill so i can safely unmount /home?23:11
MohammadAGGet:1 ./ bluez 4.60-0maemo1.6+0m5 [386kB]23:12
lbtmesx: from a shell do    lsof | grep /home23:12
MohammadAGyou need to have the SSU disabled23:12
MohammadAGmesx, init basically23:12
MohammadAGlots of stuff runs from /opt, which is /home/opt23:13
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lbtMohammadAG: mmm it's been a while so I don't recall the fremantle invocations23:17
lbtI disabled ssu from app mgr23:17
lbtbut don't see any other nokia repos to enable23:17
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mesxlbt, MohammadAG tnx, there are quite apps/process to kill, but will try it :)23:31
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DocScrutinizermesx: I don't think it's possible to simply umount /home23:35
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lbtso... I removed extras-devel, removed bluemaemo and rebooted .... still no bluetooth23:36
DocScrutinizerquite a number of processes running from either ~user or /opt will cause a reboot when killed23:36
lbtand apt-get install can't download it23:36
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lbtOK ... got it from
lbtreinstalled, and.... same23:43
lbtkill bluetoothd; /usr/sbin/bluetoothd -nd    and ..... same23:43
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lbtno output in 'debug' mode ...23:43
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