IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2011-04-01

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wazd meheh :D00:03
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DocScrutinizerumm, if he wasn't leaving that fast, I could have pointed him at ke-recv-test00:12
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DocScrutinizert - swap off (ext-)MMC00:13
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DocScrutinizerc - enable charging mode o.o o.O O.O00:14
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Tr4sKHi all00:17
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Tr4sKi try to run subversion on my n90000:19
DocScrutinizerwhatever ke-recv c does, it's not what I thought it might be00:19
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Tr4sKI got an "segmentation fault" error. any Idea00:19
nox-svn may not work on fat...00:20
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nox-(if this was on mydocs)00:20
Tr4sKok thx :)00:20
DocScrutinizerMEH, /me stupid00:20
DocScrutinizerfunny when you look at one device while hacking via ssh on another00:21
nox-i guess thats the downside of having more than one n900 :)00:21
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DocScrutinizerwell, it doesn't really change anything substantial on my evaluation of ke-recv c00:24
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DocScrutinizerke-recv-test c even00:24
Tr4sKnox-: same error on /home/00:25
Tr4sKext3 partition00:25
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Tr4sKit's look like the pakage is brocken00:27
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nox-tho one guy has a working one from extras-devel00:30
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o0-Dan-0oquestion... i'm in portugal, the image for my region is global right?00:43
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BCMMo0-Dan-0o: don't know, but use global anyway00:45
BCMMeverybody does00:46
BCMMin fact, i'm not clear on what the differences are00:46
BCMMapart from local stuff getting released later00:47
ProteousI give global the "works on my machine" badge of approval00:47
o0-Dan-0othanks BCMM00:47
BCMMwhich isn't a consideration now that nothing's going to be released00:47
BCMM( doesn't care about regions, ofc)00:47
o0-Dan-0ogonna go for RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin00:49
o0-Dan-0oseems to be the latest stuff00:49
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o0-Dan-0oin the download section it says "...Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that..."00:55
o0-Dan-0obut in the guide the example says to flash rootfs/FIASCO 1st00:57
Sazpaimon_well I got remmina looking "okay" on my phone00:57
Sazpaimon_unfortunately it employs a few functions that make it hard to translate to a hildon interface00:58
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o0-Dan-0omaybe i saw it wrong.. im a bit sleepy..00:59
MohammadAGgrr, can't figure out how to detect if I'm in the task manager01:00
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o0-Dan-0ohey MohammadAG01:01
o0-Dan-0oa tip pls01:01
o0-Dan-0ofirst flash emmc or rootfs :s01:02
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MohammadAGi always do rootfs then eMMC01:03
MohammadAGwithout -R01:03
o0-Dan-0oi think the guide says one way and in the download section says otherwise01:03
o0-Dan-0oLatest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 NOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes.01:04
DocScrutinizer51o0-Dan-0o: i told you both ways work. the 'complicated' way is more failsafe01:04
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DocScrutinizer51incredible, this had been fixed months ago01:05
DocScrutinizer51aah no, it's the failsafe way01:05
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MohammadAGindeed, order doesn't matter, but flashing eMMC first usually fails due to flasher being retarded01:06
o0-Dan-0ocomplicated way?01:06
DocScrutinizer51complicated as in 'remove battery .. didumdidum...'01:06
infobotit has been said that flashing is
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DocScrutinizer51o0-Dan-0o: basically if you got your shit sorted and can write BOTH commands (for flashing rootfs and emmc, this sequence) in ONE commandline like "flasher combined && flasher vanilla" and both are guaranteed to work (no typos, no wrong parameters, no -R, no wrong path to file) THEN the 'simple' command is way more convenient01:11
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DocScrutinizer51s/ple' command/ple' method/01:12
infobotDocScrutinizer51 meant: o0-Dan-0o: basically if you got your shit sorted and can write BOTH commands (for flashing rootfs and emmc, this sequence) in ONE commandline like "flasher combined && flasher vanilla" and both are guaranteed to work (no typos, no wrong parameters, no -R,...01:12
DocScrutinizer51thanks infobot01:13
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer51 in the darkest corner of the room. :(01:13
* BCMM pats infobot01:13
o0-Dan-0oman i did read the guide didnt see anything about simple or complicated way01:14
DocScrutinizer51o0-Dan-0o: just do it like explained at ~flashing01:14
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DocScrutinizer51the 'simple' way is as explained above, flashing combined first and IMMEDIATELY after flash vanilla, without booting, unplugging or anything else between both01:22
o0-Dan-0othe -R stands for read?01:23
DocScrutinizer51the 'complicated' but foolproof method is to start flasher vanilla, then plug in device, then insert battery to device while holding 'u'01:23
DocScrutinizer51-R is Reboot and is exactly what you MUST NOT do on simple method01:24
DocScrutinizer51complicated step 2: do the same procedure for combined01:24
DocScrutinizer51(start flasher, plug in, insert bat)01:25
DocScrutinizer51nobody actually needs -R01:26
o0-Dan-0oeither way having battery on the device i'll always be able to save it if it goes wrong yeah01:27
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DocScrutinizer5170% of failing flashings are caused by -R, as users don't understand -R *does* reboot the system01:27 baby01:27
DocScrutinizer51you can not 'brick' the N900 by flasher oopsies01:28
o0-Dan-0ohehe =) nice01:28
Sazpaimon_N900 can only do 16 bit color right?01:28
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Sazpaimon_well, that explains why this gles render i'm using isnt working01:30
Sazpaimon_its forcing a 32 bit color setting01:30
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o0-Dan-0oX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: %m01:53
o0-Dan-0odang even after doing the win7 x64 workaround it doesnt work01:54
DocScrutinizer51%m means file not found. check your path to file01:55
o0-Dan-0our right01:56
o0-Dan-0oim so sleepy but i want this done so i can take my baby to work tommorrow morning ^01:57
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o0-Dan-0oDocScrutinizer,  youre the *02:00
o0-Dan-0ocombined done02:01
o0-Dan-0obut vanilla02:01
o0-Dan-0oit seems it disconnected the phone02:02
o0-Dan-0odamn win x64!?02:02
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o0-Dan-0owhat now =(02:02
DocScrutinizer51see? that's why I suggest the 'complicated' way02:02
o0-Dan-0onow what start over?02:03
o0-Dan-0omaybe do vanilla 1st02:03
jacekowskiyou're still trying to flash it?02:04
DocScrutinizeryes, start with flashing VANILLA, the way explained in ~flashing (start flasher, plug in device, then insert battery while holding 'u')02:04
o0-Dan-0othe device is connected to the usb02:04
DocScrutinizerthen when done remove battery and start over same procedure, now for COMBINED02:05
o0-Dan-0obut it seems its disconnected nokia simbol not there windows tryed to recognize the device but it didnt02:05
o0-Dan-0o(win7 x64)02:05
DocScrutinizerthat's unelated to 6402:05
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DocScrutinizeryou just ran into one of teh plenty DONT's with 'simple' method, and MohammadAG never wants to understand there are any02:06
jacekowskiworks for me02:07
DocScrutinizerthat's why he laways suggests to flash combined first, as simple method doesn't work with vanilla first02:07
jacekowskiyour method is overcomplicated02:07
DocScrutinizerit's failsafe02:07
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DocScrutinizerit *always* works02:08
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jacekowskiif o0-Dan-0o has not managed to flash it in 2h now then he should just give up02:08
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o0-Dan-0oit wont do the vanilla02:09
jacekowskiwhat is the message?02:09
jacekowskishow whole log to pastebin.com02:09
o0-Dan-0oBooting device into flash mode.02:09
o0-Dan-0oSuitable USB device not found, waiting.02:09
jacekowskio0-Dan-0o: which version of flasher do you have?02:10
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: btw. it looks like nolo can coldflash dead rapuyama02:10
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jacekowskiwell, that's obvious02:11
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jacekowskibut i think now how it's doing it02:11
jacekowskiflasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009)702:11
jacekowskiuse flasher 3.502:11
jacekowskithat's only working flasher for n90002:11
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: flasher 3.5 reports like that afaik02:11
o0-Dan-0othe link and the .exe said it was 3.502:12
DocScrutinizero0-Dan-0o: yes, don't get confused by what jacekowski tells you :-)02:12
jacekowskio0-Dan-0o: are you running it as administrator?02:12
DocScrutinizeryou got the correct flasher, otherwise it hadn't flashed COMBINED02:12
jacekowskio0-Dan-0o: i mean right click on cmd -> run as administrator02:13
DocScrutinizeryou also run it as admin otherwise it hadn't...02:13
o0-Dan-0othe flasher did the COMBINED just fine02:13
o0-Dan-0oso i guess it's not a permission problem02:13
jacekowskiit's 64 bit windows problem02:14
o0-Dan-0oi guess02:14
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: how that???02:16
o0-Dan-0odid run cmd as admins as expected nothing02:16
pupnikwoohoo found my segfault02:16
DocScrutinizeris 64 incompatible with vanilla or what?02:16
jacekowskibut so far everybody who had that problem had 64 bit windows02:16
DocScrutinizeryeah, but it's a 64 problem02:17
jacekowskinever seen it happen on 32bit02:17
DocScrutinizero0-Dan-0o has attached the device while it booted, so windows has loaded some friggin driver.02:18
jacekowski64bit is for people that have too much free time02:18
pupnikmy feelings also jacekowski02:18
DocScrutinizero0-Dan-0o: reboot windows, then start over again, with switched off (battery out) device plugged in in to started flasher, then insert battery02:19
jacekowskihmm, what about checking what drivers are installed after flasher reboots phone02:19
DocScrutinizerobviously a thing for people with too much time02:19
o0-Dan-0oi have a winxp machine02:20
DocScrutinizerI have NFC how to check *anything* on redmond virus02:20
o0-Dan-0obetter go start there right02:20
DocScrutinizerso what?02:20
DocScrutinizerare you going to flash your device now? or are we going to debug and debate windoze?02:21
o0-Dan-0oi will flash02:21
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pupnik"they're made of meat?   meat."02:26
o0-Dan-0odone x86 ftmfw02:29
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o0-Dan-0ohave to go to work at 6am02:30
o0-Dan-0o1st boot takes longer than usual?02:30
o0-Dan-0oi just see the dots02:30
jacekowskia lot longer02:31
jacekowskiit copies stuff to emmc02:31
o0-Dan-0oran like a champ in winxp x8602:31
o0-Dan-0othanks guys02:32
o0-Dan-0ocya later02:32
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DocScrutinizer51seems the overly complicated method worked?02:32
o0-Dan-0onot realy simple as it gets "plug and play"02:33
o0-Dan-0oplug > run > run > done!02:33
o0-Dan-0ox64 = bad02:33
jacekowskiit does work like that02:33
jacekowskiunless you hit a problem02:34
o0-Dan-0oanyway [[]]02:34
pupnikds3: around?02:35
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ds3pupnik, yes?02:42
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pupnikds3 just built stella for n900 but i can't find my old changelog02:45
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pupnikds3: anyway if it 'basically works' maybe you could test02:45
ds3okay, give me link02:45
ds3I am guessing I need to force uninstall to pick it up?02:45
pupnikwell i have to see if it runs at all - catch you in a few02:46
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* GAN900 apparently missed Martha Stewart at work today.02:48
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pupnikds3: what kinds of frames per second were you getting?02:54
ds3didn't check but the movement speed was sufficient02:55
pupniklooking for reasonable key assignments02:56
pupnikds3: can you reassign keys in a config file somewhere?02:57
ds3not that I know off03:00
chem|stMohammadAG: DocScrutinizer to get that right in the end... blinking every 0.2s is 5Hz not 2.5...03:02
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pupnikoh man ds3 these sounds are so awesome03:02
trip0oh sh!z03:03
trip0did freenode just april foolz me03:03
chem|stit is not switching every 200ms so the detection rate is 5hz the maximum switching rate is 2.5Hz03:03
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: sorry to disapoint you, but blinking 5 times a second is of course 5Hz, but switch can only toggle on ech flash, so to toggle forth and back it takes two flashes aka 2.5Hz03:04
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chem|strereading my last I am confused myself...03:05
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pupnikds3 what do you want mapped for select, reset, etc03:06
chem|stit is sensing in 5Hz and can switch at 2.5Hz03:06
DocScrutinizer51always assuming the figures are basically right, which I don't know and neither know how to find a spec for it. But it's irrelevant enyway03:06
chem|stsure... would love to have it a proper distance (~10cm) sensor and not just a switch03:07
ds3pupnik: I donno what is a good combo beyond - shift to fire, arrows... the other keys should not be that critical since they are not used in teh game itself; they were just stuff to control the console03:10
pupnikds3 i put fire on 'a'03:10
pupnikds3 and the commands for select/reset/difficulty go across the top row of the keyboard qwertyuiop -- o and p are save and load state03:11
DocScrutinizer51*burp* now where's chemist?03:13
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pupnikds3: confirmed- multikey presses work03:14
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DocScrutinizer51just when I want to suggest to him to exploit synergetic effect of prox sensor plus 84 sensitive frontcam to build his own true analog distance sensor... :-/03:15
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DocScrutinizertrip0: they for shure did fool me, with that FUGLY colored notice, that's been completely illegible on my N810 so I had to move over here03:17
DocScrutinizerpupnik: multikey works for all 2-key combos on N90003:18
pupnikty DocScrutinizer03:18
DocScrutinizernot so for some 3-key-chords and even worse for 4-key03:19
DocScrutinizerpupnik: that's the EE take on it. No idea what sw does to the matrix readout result03:20
pupniki got two key combos just fine03:20
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: basically all 3-key combos where 2 keys share a col and 2 (other of course) keys share a row, always create a ghost key on the intersection of the row and col with just one button on them03:24
pupnikaha! :)03:25
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DocScrutinizergraphically each triangle with a upright and a horizontal line gets augmented to a rectangle by a ghostkey03:25
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DocScrutinizerwhere those locations are in the matrix symbolic representation, not the actual kbd layout that has electrical rows and cols rather as meanders03:26
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DocScrutinizer4 key combos either are creating such rectangle, then you can't know about the 4th key actually being pressed. Or they create two independent rectangles plus a few aditional side effects03:29
DocScrutinizerso you might see up to 6 or even more buttons detected for 4-key combos03:29
DocScrutinizerfor 3-k it's just sufficient to know the invalid tuples like ctl-shift-j/k03:30
trip0wtf is all this n0 stuff?03:31
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trip0can't be real, but it's the second time i've heard of it03:31
DocScrutinizercba to even look for it03:31
DocScrutinizerc'mon an URL with "promo" in it03:32
DocScrutinizeralso I don't have a screen with w=800&h=120003:32
pupniknot bad trip0 - it has an ESC key!!03:33
DocScrutinizerso you bet I won't click that link, and I'd ask you not to post it again03:33
pupnikhowever, it's missing all the important keys for shell03:33
pupnikit's a wazd dream tablet render DocScrutinizer03:33
timeless_w7ipooh, it comes w/ duke nukem!03:33
DocScrutinizermeh, that one03:34
pupnikabit too boxy for my taste03:35
DocScrutinizerI started a rant about the unbearable kbd layout yesterday, which earned me a flamewar about amoled kbds03:35
pupnikthe sharp edges would be pocket-unfriendly03:35
trip0oooo, sharp edges!03:35
trip0actually, my doctor says i should avoid those after the "incident"03:36
pupnikbut he has an extra column of keys between the 'p' and the 'cr' which is very good03:36
DocScrutinizerand you bet I won't click strange URLs *today* :-P03:36
pupnikgives you space for sensible positioning of ;'[]:"{}03:36
DocScrutinizerneither freenode's nor trip0's03:36
trip0DocScrutinizer, it's still the 31st here.  and i'm too lame to actually make up an april fools joke03:37
pupnika lot of good community wishlist things there though03:37
trip0but that link actually makes more sense in that context03:37
pupnikthe battery backup for hotswap ++03:38
DocScrutinizerno april fool's joke? LOL!03:38
pupniknice job wazd03:39
DocScrutinizerwe checked the idea of a bupbat for hotswap maybe 3 years ago. It's simply not feasible03:39
pupniki think such renders help get people thinking about 'yeah, that's what we want'03:39
SpeedEvilIt's feasible.03:39
SpeedEvilIf you require software support.03:40
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: yeah, almost as feasible as suspend-to-disk03:40
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DocScrutinizersupport from modem firmware, suuuure03:40
SpeedEvilsuspend-disk would be not quite fast enough.03:40
pupnikwhy does the software need to be made aware of the swap03:40
SpeedEvilpupnik: To reduce power use.03:41
DocScrutinizerbecause you can't support the >2A a modem may eat03:41
pupnikah ty03:41
SpeedEvilpupnik: Screen off, disable modem, ...03:41
pupnikbut the battery can supply the 2A03:41
DocScrutinizernot long enough03:41
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pupnikok, split battery in two03:42
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DocScrutinizerthat's absolute nonsense03:42
DocScrutinizeryou need two charger controllers then03:42
DocScrutinizeryou need two swappable batteries then03:42
DocScrutinizeryou need LOTS of additional space then03:43
pupnikboth with 1250mAh :D03:43
DocScrutinizeryou need discharge management then, as you don't want both to deplete same time03:44
pupnikdevice slightly larget than n810 :003:44
DocScrutinizerhonestly you need something better to send me on a april fool's joke03:44
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pupniki'm not joking03:44
DocScrutinizerso you got hoaxed03:45
pupnikthese are just sketches of devices we'd like to see03:45
pupniksince we can't force nokia to make em03:45
pupnikwe show them pixs03:45
pupnikgot it?03:46
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pupnikplus wazd is a talented graphics guy03:46
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pupniknice sense of color, design03:46
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DocScrutinizerI want to see a device I can roll up, with a 21" screen and a battery that never discharges and can start my car03:46
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pupnikso they are pretty in that right03:46
pupnikwhy are you so dismissive of the work of others03:46
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Also that you can run your car over.03:46
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SpeedEvil(and have it still work)03:47
SpeedEvil(the device, not the car)03:47
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: I'm just angry on nonsense03:47
trip0my phone can start my car03:48
pupniki think you're not understanding the motivation behind it03:48
DocScrutinizerexactly, I'm missing the point of it03:48
DocScrutinizerexcept wazd mentioned yesterday "prepare for apr 1.!"03:48
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SpeedEvilSome companies add to confusion by actually launching stuff on Apr 1.03:49
trip0marketing fail03:49
pupnik... and it is to show off some design ideas03:49
VenemoSpeedEvil, I have an exam on apr 1...03:49
SpeedEvil - I hope for something fun on the 5th.03:49
pupnikbut to you, design means little.  that's ok.03:49
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DocScrutinizerI've seen design ideas a metric ton on thin paper03:50
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SpeedEvilThe problem is that most of the 'design ideas' have no idea about the actual cost.03:50
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DocScrutinizermost of them not worth the poor trees that had to die for paper and pencil03:50
SpeedEvilFor example 'hardware keyboard over AMOLED layer...'03:50
SpeedEvilThis adds perhaps at best 2-3mm to your keyboard.03:50
pupnikfunny to me, how wazd makes sketches that look much more beautiful than anything that comes out of asia03:51
SpeedEvilMakes the device perhaps 30-40g heavier.03:51
DocScrutinizerand way more flimsy03:51
DocScrutinizerfor the keys03:51
SpeedEvilProbably, yes.03:51
pupnikStill my keyboard is bestest :P03:52
SpeedEvilAnd optically, it doesn't really work unless you use gradient imaging or fibre lenses.03:52
SpeedEvilFibre lenses seem in principle possible, but they are not going to be cheap for the first 10 million units.03:53
DocScrutinizerpupnik: maybe that's because out of Asia there are real designs that you can actually use somehow03:53
pupnikDocScrutinizer: yes, LG made one phone designed by a european.  the LG-GD880 mini03:54
pupnikit looks fantastic03:54
pupnikthere's a significant design culture mis-alignment here03:54
DocScrutinizerand probably even *can get produced*03:55
pupnikthe new chinese bullet train is a good example03:55
DocScrutinizerlet's start simple: the design ^^^ looks good partially because of the straight lines. stright lines mean sharp corners and edges. Sharp edges are a nogo for such a device. Nice design is easy as long as it doesn't consider any usability and manufacturing requirements03:59
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DocScrutinizersee hotswap bupbat04:00
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DocScrutinizerI'd like a device with shiny top notch SOFTWARE04:01
DocScrutinizerthe hardware is just good enough, when used properly04:01
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SpeedEvilMore RAM is basically the only urgent change.04:02
DocScrutinizerbut I don't want a device with mega battery, to allow Qt devels to votch with elementary things like POLLING shit04:02
DocScrutinizerHELL hotswap batttery - WTF!? I just do NOT want to have to swap battery ever04:04
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SpeedEvilThere are existing pre-packed solutions that pack 14Wh in very small packages. All it needs is for the n900 to accept sugar-cubes.04:04
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DocScrutinizer51so give me SOFTWARE that makes use of the capability of N900 hw to standby for 9 days04:07
DocScrutinizer51instead of friggin fubar qt libs tat eat w bats a day and then come with nonsense like hotswap04:08
DocScrutinizer51I'm honestly pissed about sw 'devels' that mess up each and every system they cn get hold of, just to start whining for better hw that allows them to mess up even more04:10
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nox-it's called `progress'04:11
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DocScrutinizer51yeah, the redmond borne definition of progress04:13
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nox-just like each kde version tends to be as bloated to just run well enough on that time's `current' hw :P04:13
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DocScrutinizer51don't get me started about KDE404:14
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pupnikshould have a more readable/usable config menu now04:34
ds3wtf it is 44K?04:34
ds3n/m that isn't a wget link04:34
pupnikds3: i'm guessing a few of those 2600 games need diagonal joystick04:36
ds3I am loosing patience... if the download doesn't start going in the next 10 seconds, I'll find a site for you to upload =)04:37
pupnikit's 1.5MB04:38
DocScrutinizerhe said *start*04:38
DocScrutinizernot finish04:38
ds3it is done04:38
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: I'd happily host a humble 1.5MB for you04:39
ds3I got places I can host it04:39
ds3installing it... bbiab04:39
pupnikit's pretty hardcore to play 2600 games04:40
ds3they are the only decent games04:40
pupnikjust tried a couple, some are nice and tough, reflex wise04:40
pupnikand the sounds, the sounds are glorious :D04:41
pupnikin battlezone i seem to do best driving in reverse most of the time04:41
ds3doh, it is a .tgz, no wonder dpkg didn't work ;)04:42
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ds3key cording seems to work04:47
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timeless_w7ipcan someone help me brute force a debian repo? :)04:53
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pupnik ++ ds304:57
pupniktimeless_w7ip: what does that mean?04:57
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timeless_w7ipi want to know which .deb "is" firefox 4.0 for i38604:59
timeless_w7iperr sorry04:59
timeless_w7ipi guess [ ]firefox-4.0_4.0~b13~hg20110321r63449+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~lucid_i386.deb22-Mar-2011 07:35 14M?05:01
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pupnikds3: how is the sound playback for you?05:08
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pupniki just lost keyboard control and got touchscreen control instead05:11
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pupnikoh that's player 205:12
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pupnikin role playing games, the currency is never fiat paper ;)05:29
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chxpupnik: there are surely a number which use fiat money, i need to think on one that used fiat paper05:31
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pupnikfind an exception and you prove the rule ;)05:35
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krayonDoes anyone know what data type the gconf /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_home_rx_bytes is?05:58
pupnikshot in the dark eh krayon06:01
krayonI um... kinda unset them and they don't seem to be coming back :S06:02
krayonI've only got one N900 here :/06:02
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pupnikkrayon: gimme something to paste06:08
krayonpupnik: gconftool-2 -T /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_home_rx_bytes06:10
DocScrutinizer51type string06:11
krayonthanks DocScrutinizer51 :)06:11
DocScrutinizer51 $ gconftool -T /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_home_rx_bytes06:12
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KrayoN900Doesn't look like you can set it, gets reset as soon as you transfer more data :-(06:24
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DocScrutinizer51aiui gconf needs so called schemata06:30
Termanagood morning06:30
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DocScrutinizer51dunno if a simple set of key to a value really creates the key once it got deleted06:31
DocScrutinizer51I think you need to create the key06:32
DocScrutinizer51not just set it to a value06:32
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DocScrutinizer51KrayoN900: what you need is a gconftool --dump /foo/bar  aiui, so you can --load it for that key06:44
DocScrutinizer51mere handwaving though, as I never really touched gconf06:44
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krayonDocScrutinizer51: No it does autocreate.07:20
krayonDocScrutinizer51: I was trying to set the value but it seems that the GPRS driver or something there holds the value as well, as pushes it out to gconf whenever it changes.07:21
krayonSo I guess there's no easy way to set the value unless I talk to whatever else is keeping track of the value.07:21
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pupnikgod, N900 missing escape key breaks SO MUCH07:23
pupnikremapping keys is a pain.  it's a real pain07:24
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Termanapupnik, what escape key? or are you saying you don't like that it doesn't have one?07:28
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pupnikthe fact that the n900 is missing one creates a lot of problems07:29
pupnikthey thought 'we will write software that doesn't need it!'07:30
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pupnikwell if they want to do that, then they can jolly well rewrite all the software on the planet07:31
pupnikgive me the telephone number of the genius who decided this07:31
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pupnikit's like making a car that can only turn left07:34
pupnik"this will make driving simpler!  the user will be less confused!"07:34
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pupnikand when someone asks you "what about someone who wants to turn right?"07:37
pupnikyou answer "Simple!  Turn left three times!"07:37
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Termanarant finished?07:44
TermanaWhat other mobile have you seen with an escape key?07:44
TermanaNot many I'm sure. I doubt you'll find many in future.07:45
pupniknom nom07:45
Termanalol :p07:46
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pupnikn810 had one :(07:46
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pupnikbut you may well be right07:47
Termanapupnik, no it didn't?07:47
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pupnikyeh, toggle buttons on screen bezel07:47
pupniklower one was esc07:47
pupnikat least for me :D07:48
Termanaoh right07:48
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krayonThey could 'ave made the camera button be esc on keyboard open, I'd have like'd that for vim07:48
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pupnikthey got the N900 clickyness perfect though.  that's the best feel i've ever experienced on a portable07:50
pupnikwell, e71/e72 had it as well07:50
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pupniki imagine Microsoft compilers have a 'clippy' that says 'did you mean to type "==" instead of "=" ?'07:54
slonopotamusmeh. fourth (!) n900 charger stopped charging, connector troubles07:56
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pupnikslonopotamus: my solution is an external charger07:57
slonopotamusmy solution would be another device if there was any competitive07:58
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pupnikwhat keymod is the blue function key in SDL?09:36
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ds3pupnik: sound works as expected09:42
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pupniksrc] > grep SDLK_ESCAPE * |wc -l10:00
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mecepupnik, so just replace it :P10:09
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ruskie <-- rofl10:39
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pupnikis grep the most important programming tool ever?11:06
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inzpupnik, very likely11:11
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chxsomeone linked a mail from the orig author of gnu grep to reddit today11:15
chxit was most interesting11:15
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borcoX-Fade: hi11:29
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krayonchx: Thanks for the link, cool read :)11:30
borcoX-Fade: the buildsystem rejects my builds, but i get no emails about the failures.11:30
borcoX-Fade: can you please check why?11:30
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borcoX-Fade: sure, but how can i check?11:32
borcoX-Fade: i get no message. that's the problem.11:32
ZogGruskie, hey11:32
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X-Fadeborco: Which package?11:33
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borcoX-Fade: simplexbmcremote. i can see the error now, as somebody on devel pointem me to the web archives11:34
borcoX-Fade: they also suggested you might be able to fix the problem that stops me from receiving those emails11:35
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X-Fadeborco: Check your spam.11:36
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borcoX-Fade: nothing there. my email contains a '+'. is this a problem?11:37
X-Fadeborco: should not.11:37
borcoX-Fade: i use iborco+maemo to allow filtering11:37
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X-Fadeborco: Yeah, I can see your email. Looks fine.11:37
borcoX-Fade: nothing in trash, nothing in spam, no automatic rule for that yet. i was going to add it if i got too many emails, but i haven't had to yet...11:39
borcoX-Fade: can you please check if the email was really sent?11:41
borcoX-Fade: as a last solution i could subscribe to the list, but i would rather receive only messages relevant to my packages...11:41
pupnikit's kind of nice to edit code and compile and not have syntax errors11:42
crashanddiepupnik, good friend11:42
crashanddiepupnik, it seems you are finally ready for cat | gcc11:42
crashanddieNo source files required anymore11:42
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pupnikis the N900 display some kind of IPS?11:45
pupnikcolors are very consistent across viewing angles11:45
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X-Fadeborco: I don't see any mail going out to you.11:46
borcoX-Fade: me neither :) that's my problem :D11:47
borcoX-Fade: so what can i do to fix this?11:47
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ZogGX-Fade i heard you can give vhosts11:50
ZogGi mean for irc like ZogG@blah.blah11:50
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ruskieZogG, those are cloaks11:51
ruskienot vhosts11:51
ZogGcloaks are the place where from birds do poopoo11:52
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ZogGruskie have you searched for me?11:52
ruskienot really11:52
MohammadAGalterego, is media-im-status-updater still working?11:53
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alteregoMohammadAG: as well as it ever did afaik11:53
alteregoDo you mean with your player?11:53
MohammadAGalterego, how do I check if it actually is?11:54
phaphello all11:54
MohammadAGdoes it matter? all other mafw apps work11:54
ruskieZogG, also:
alteregoDo you have any IM accounts configured on your device?11:54
MohammadAGof course11:54
phapanyone know a command to lauch applications in the background?11:54
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ruskieZogG, written differently ;)11:55
alteregoMohammadAG: well, select an account in the status updater ui to update and get someone to look at your status as you change track11:56
alteregoMSN Messenger takes about 5 seconds to refresh, so that's about 10 seconds after a track change.11:56
MohammadAGalterego, shouldn't the status menu show that?11:56
MohammadAGor dbus-monitor for that matter11:57
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alteregodbus-monitor will show the method calls my app makes to telepathy11:57
phappupnik, that's not what I meant. I'd like to open leafpad via the terminal but to stay in the terminal11:57
ruskieZogG, also it's plural is cloacae and not cloaks ;)11:58
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infobotruskie meant: ZogG, also its plural is cloacae and not cloaks ;)11:58
ruskieto tired to argue nowv11:58
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MohammadAGalterego, so dbus-monitor --session | grep -A Telepathy should actually return something right?11:58
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MohammadAGcause it isn't :)11:59
ZogGruskie i'm not argueing man =)11:59
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ZogGruskie, was just kidding11:59
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pupnikphap: so launch leafpad with & and find a way to bring window focus to terminal11:59
alteregoMohammadAG: probably not, I don't know what you're grepping for :P12:00
alteregoYou could try grepping for the track name :D12:00
MohammadAGalterego, telepathy's path, duh :P12:00
MohammadAGif I change presence it does return hits12:00
alteregoOkay, then yes, it should work.12:00
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ZogGruskie something happened?12:01
DocScrutinizer51you guys have fun?12:01
MohammadAGalterego, but doesn't, does the daemon output debug messages?12:01
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ruskieZogG, the week happened... I've been tired the whole week12:02
alteregoMohammadAG: does if you run it from console.12:02
alteregostop the service with upstart and run it manually ..12:02
ZogGruskie than you should be happy and rest12:02
ruskieZogG, hard to do with an 8h/day job12:03
DocScrutinizer51alterego: app started with upstart?? duh!12:03
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alteregoDocScrutinizer51: the mafw monitoring daemon is started by upstart yes.12:04
DocScrutinizer51mafw monitoring... sounds ultranifty12:04
alteregoMohammadAG: anyway, you can check that your status has changed in the availability dialog from systray menu12:04
MohammadAGalterego, sec, it's erroring out12:05
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alteregoMohammadAG: funsies :)12:05
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alteregowell that's a bit lame12:09
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borcoX-Fade: i've subscribed to the extras-cauldron-builds. hopefully this solves the problem for the moment. if you have time, it would be great if i receive notifications without being subscribed to extras-cauldron-builds12:13
alteregoOn a positive note, that's nothing to do with you :)12:13
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DocScrutinizer2~spank MohammadAG nevertheless, just in case12:14
* infobot bends MohammadAG nevertheless, just in case over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on MohammadAG nevertheless, just in case's pasty white buttocks.12:14
MohammadAGalterego, any quick fixes? :P12:17
alteregoNope, I have no idea why that's doing that :P12:19
alteregoAnd not really much time to check.12:20
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phapany clue for a command to switch desktops please?12:26
ruskieswitch desktops?12:28
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ruskieyou mean taking your finger and swipping it left/right isn't working?12:28
phapyes it does but I need a command to switch let's say to number 6 from number 2 without the widgets12:29
MohammadAGset the gconf value12:31
MohammadAGgconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/current -t int 112:32
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phapI founds this before but it doesn't work...12:35
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ruskiewhat happens and what are you expecting to happen and when have you tried it?12:38
ruskieif an app is running it won't really do much in terms of switching unless you minimize it12:39
MohammadAGgconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/current -t int 612:39
MohammadAGit should work12:39
MohammadAGnot as root btw12:39
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korhojoaurgh. i was so confused when i saw loldongs in my current process list12:41
korhojoaapparently, it was the autoconnect for the voip accounts12:42
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pupnik1981:  Space Shuttle Columbia.   Ms-DOS 1.012:42
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phapok now it works I removed the -212:43
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phapbut still... if I type it from the terminal ok it switched desktop but then I don't want to be in terminal anymore but on  the desktop12:44
ruskiewould be nice if the virtual desktops would actually be actual desktops... not just convinent places to dump a set amount of widgets/shortcuts/etc...12:46
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ruskie <-- hehe12:48
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MohammadAGphap, I don't get what you're trying to do, but to go to the desktop after setting the value gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/current -t int 1 && wmctrl -k on12:49
SpeedEvil It would be much better if it actually worked - flash can do cameras. :)12:49
MohammadAGalso, removing -2 doesn't make a difference, gconftool is a symlink to gconftool-212:50
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phapit works now thanks a lot12:52
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phapwhat I try to do is to launch someplayer and to return to the desktop12:54
MohammadAGthen just use wmctrl -k on, no need to change the current desktop12:55
phapactually no I don't need to change desktop but first I thought a command to switch desktop would bring me to the desktop the way wmctrl -k on does12:56
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MohammadAGmethod call sender=:1.28 -> serial=761 path=/com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer;; member=open_mp_now_playing13:00
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MohammadAGcan some DBus guru explain how the stock player picks that up even when it's not running?13:00
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ruskieMohammadAG, I thought it is actually running13:01
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ruskieand iirc the .desktop files have stuff as well so might be h-d that's picking them up and launching the relevant .desktop files13:01
ruskieif they aren't already running13:02
MohammadAGthat's LaunchApplication13:02
MohammadAGand that launches the player itself, not the now playing view13:02
ruskiewell it needs to start the player first then it can process the actual call13:03
MohammadAGsp3000, so anything that exists there will be launched first then the DBus method will be called?13:05
sp3000that's my vague understanding, that those specify the service processes that would be launched to receive calls yeah13:06
pupnikhow does a browser take up 516MB?13:07
ruskiepupnik, mem leaking like any other browser13:07
ruskie/usr/share/dbus-1/services/ specifies the exec and the name it listens for13:07
ruskieso I'm guessing dbus will check that and the lanuch the relevant binary to send the actual message to13:08
sp3000pupnik: how does the web take 516MB13:08
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pupnikruskie: i'm not sure cheap RAM was a good thing for mankind13:08
ruskiepupnik, who says it's cheap...13:09
MohammadAGsp3000, is the call delayed till the app actually starts or do I have to listen to it early?13:10
ruskieI can accept that one needs more ram now-a-days... but one shouldn't need inasne amounts that things require13:10
sp3000MohammadAG: no idea what the, early lifecycle deal is13:10
sp3000I'd imagine there's something like, eventually the process makes itself known on the bus and then it receives something13:11
MohammadAGsp3000, thanks, quick editing of .desktop and .service files launches my mediaplayer :)13:11
ruskiemight be that the message actually stays on the line until something grabs it or tells the bus that it's listening for it13:11
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Juozapashi can u recomend some music player for n900? i hate that default player organize music only by id3 and it very difficult to find a song if id3 is set wrong/non correct13:19
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ruskiemaybe MohammadAG open music player, xmms2, mplayer, canola(or whatever it is)... anything else in the multimedia section?13:20
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phapJuozapas, someplayer13:44
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DocScrutinizer2chem|st: ping13:47
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chem|stDocScrutinizer51: pong13:47
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: you are irritating with all those alteregos!13:47
DocScrutinizeryou seen my comment about analog prox detector?13:47
chem|stuhm no13:47
DocScrutinizerscrollwheel on nick-dropdown13:48
DocScrutinizer(a BAD concept ;-P)13:48
DocScrutinizerprox:: use frontcam to detect size of spot and brightness of spot of prox flash, to get some real distance13:49
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DocScrutinizerdunno if cam is IR sensible, dunno if flash maybe is too short13:50
MohammadAGphap, SomePlayer displays a random jpg as my album art13:51
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DocScrutinizerJuozapas: My complaint since ages13:52
phapthen you are really unlucky he displays mine all fine13:52
CorsacMohammadAG: SomePlayer is your media player rewrite?13:52
chem|stDocScrutinizer: "scrollwheel on nick-dropdown"?13:52
DocScrutinizerJuozapas: there's some extension (of a really hard to remember name) for stock mediaplayer, to open files instead of ID313:52
phapBut I choose someplayer because I can display what I want on the desktop separatly when playing with somewidget13:53
DocScrutinizerchem|st: konversation has a dropdown field for nick. Accidentally pointing at it with mouse and turning scrollwheel causes this annoyance13:53
* chem|st barely uses mice...13:54
MohammadAGphap, didn't get that13:54
MohammadAGthere's a stock mediaplayer widget13:54
phapBy the way MohammadAG  there's still a problem with this command:   dbus-send --type=method_call /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer string:volume variant:uint32:$((`dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer
phapextension.get_extension_property string:volume| tail -1 | awk '{print $3}'`-5))%%%\""13:55
MohammadAGwhat's &&&\?13:55
phapwhen volume is on 0 then it sets as max again if you run the command again13:55
MohammadAGwell, that would be sh13:56
MohammadAG0-5 = -513:56
MohammadAGI'm not surprised that is sets max on invalid13:56
phapyes but the mediaplayer widget you can't put the album art on the right, the text on bottom and the command wherever you want13:56
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phapno forget the %%13:57
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MohammadAGthat's just a widget, it can be connected to mafw easily13:59
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phapwell maybe easily for you :-)14:01
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DocScrutinizer51Juozapas: check mussorgsky and mafw-grilo14:06
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DocScrutinizer51but yes, stock media player sucks14:07
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: the angle of the proxi emitter around 60° I guess, so there is no way of using it as light source for a proximity-frontcam14:07
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DocScrutinizer51guess is a poor basis for deciding about a concept14:09
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DibblahOh great. Bought a faulty "repaired" N900. Plus side - Only £100. Minus -
MohammadAGmeh, still can't figure out how to use DBus services14:10
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chem|stDibblah: domesheet 17€14:11
DibblahThey've removed the domesheet - Tearing it - And reinstalled it with what appears to be judicious application of a clothes iron.14:11
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DibblahA very serious WTF moment.14:11
Dibblahchem|st: Where?14:12
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chem|stfor uk idk14:12
MohammadAG9 euros here
DibblahI see one here...
DibblahHeh :)14:12
chem|stuk seems to be NOT-EU for anything but geogrphical location14:12
MohammadAGsame site, I didn't know they had an english domain14:13
chem|stok or even only 9eur14:13
MohammadAGonly 1 in stock lol14:13
chem|st17.90 in a german shop...14:13
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DibblahHeh. €11.90 :)14:17
DocScrutinizer100GBP for a somewhat borked device seems no such great deal14:18
Dibblah"Borked" is in the eye of the beholder.14:20
DibblahAnd that's lower than the going price.14:20
DocScrutinizeralso I would want to make sure the 'rest' of the device actually works, before starting any effort to correct the obvious problems14:20
chem|stmy device is fully usable and I would charge 160€ for it...14:20
DibblahGenerally, even water damaged go for €80.14:20
DibblahIt certainly seems OK.14:20
chem|stalthough it had some meeting with wheatbeer14:20
DibblahI have absolutely no idea what they were trying to do.14:21
DibblahThe domesheet does nothing electrically, right?14:21
DocScrutinizerodds are the FPC ribbon cable to screen broke when disassembling14:21
pupnikdaimonin with hq2x tileset, scaling in-game still has a bug...
DocScrutinizerDibblah: it conducts :-)14:21
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DibblahI'm going to see if this flattens out with reheating.14:22
DibblahdocScrutinizer: The screen connector appears fine.14:22
DibblahI'm not a puller :)14:22
DocScrutinizerfirst check if the device boots and displays properly, and if frontcam etc works14:23
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DibblahIt does.14:23
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DocScrutinizerok :-)14:23
SpeedEvilAnd be _really_ careful with teh flex connectors.14:24
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DibblahI'm going to try just ironing this sheet out.14:25
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SpeedEvilAfter removing it I hope. :)14:27
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dangergrrl has new voip numbers this morning; they just gave me one14:28
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DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: HEY! :-D14:32
DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: a tip: (at least for you are reachable via direct IP SIP under SIP:<your_full_telnumber_without_leading_+_or_00>@sipgate.net14:33
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DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: for you I guess this number shall start with a 1 then14:34
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DibblahAfter ironing, the keyboard works OKish.14:38
DibblahBought the above dome mat anyway :)14:38
DocScrutinizerbetter, for sure14:38
DibblahWell, it did go a little meltier. But no keysticks, etc.14:40
DocScrutinizeryou should see if you can get new screws there as well. service-manual requests using a new set of screws each time you reassemble the device. I heard of cases where a screw broke14:40
DocScrutinizerDibblah: I gather the domesheet has steel disk springs anyway, no?14:40
DibblahYeah. Also, the "repair shop" managed to get the screws in the wrong places. I get the feeling this _may_ not be a pro repair.14:40
DibblahYes, it does.14:40
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DocScrutinizerso as long as the disks are correctly located and oriented, the plastic shouldn't matter much14:41
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MohammadAGsp3000, ping14:42
DocScrutinizer~reverse sp300014:42
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sp3000did you just walk into a bar14:43
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MohammadAGsp3000, any thoughts on ?14:43
ruskieI wouldn't be surprised14:43
MohammadAG   string "No such interface '' at object path '/com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer'"14:44
sp3000how about /com/nokia/mediaplayer14:45
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: use tab autocompletion in mdbus2 -i14:45
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, umm, I'm hijacking the stock player's DBus interface, not trying to access it14:46
ruskiemight need to do some switchboarding(take A/B/C translate to A/B/D | or run E) since so many things are just hardcoded...14:46
DocScrutinizerNOTE: Mickey's DBus Utility requires well-behaved services,14:46
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DocScrutinizeri.e. those which implement the DBus introspection protocol.14:46
DocScrutinizermdbus2: DBus has never been that much fun!14:46
ruskielike the browser-switchboard does14:46
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MohammadAGsp3000, nope, string "No such object path '/com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer'"14:47
DocScrutinizerplease don't talk gibberish14:48
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MohammadAGI'm not, please understand what I'm doing14:49
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DocScrutinizer>>nope, string "foobar"<< is not any statement that can be understood by anybody - esp without leading context14:51
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DocScrutinizerI wouldn't try to read "No such interface '' at object path '/com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer'" as a hex value. So what means string?14:52
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, leading context would be some lines up14:53
an0therb0xCan someone please help point me to the configuration file that controls inputs when I select Menu - > System - > Settings - > Profiles .... I am trying to find out why only the "Nokia Tune" ringtone is working14:53
DocScrutinizer[2011-04-01 13:13:27] <MohammadAG> only 1 in stock lol  <--???14:53
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DocScrutinizersp3000 quite right pointed at the surplus "/osso/ in the object path. Your answer makes no sense14:55
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: use mdbus2 -i and tab expansion, you'll find a lot of unexpected /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer  for
DocScrutinizerbut nothing faintly looking like the combination you tried15:03
dangergrrlDocScrutinizer: cool15:03
dangergrrli got a call to the 10000 test number working15:03
MohammadAGyou're obviously missing a huge point DocScrutinizer15:03
dangergrrldidn't work till i rebooted the n900 but it could have been just it took a few minutes15:04
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: how couldn't I miss all important points, on such an elaborate statement like >>string "fooo"<<15:04
MohammadAGread like 100 lines up15:05
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MohammadAGthat's a standard DBus reply fyi15:06
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I'm stopping this now, as you come over like pissed15:06
DocScrutinizersorry I tried to help15:07
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Macermaemo: tearing people apart15:19
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GeneralAntillesComic Sans Pro15:27
GeneralAntillesThat's a nightmare.15:27
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DocScrutinizer <- about mediaplayer dbus interface15:32
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* ArkanoiD- finally removed mycontacts. fancy thing, but htop says it is main io hog most of the time and phone is noticeably slower with it15:39
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DocScrutinizerwhat's mycontacts?15:43
DocScrutinizersome desktop widget?15:44
MohammadAGclosed source reimplemntation of the stock contacts15:44
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MohammadAGby fcrochik (think I spelled that right)15:44
DocScrutinizerclosed source reimplementation? o.O15:44
meceWhat DocScrutinizer said15:45
DocScrutinizernot a foss reimpl of closed stock contacts?15:45
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DocScrutinizerArkanoiD-: anyway :-D
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I too was surprised at that15:49
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> <- about mediaplayer dbus interface15:49
MohammadAGthose are the ones mafw provides, anyway, I don't need to know what it provides, I need to provide them myself15:50
DocScrutinizerok, but for whom? If nobody knows about that new thing15:50
DocScrutinizerisn't it more useful to replicate the existing interfaces, rather than create completely new ones?15:51
MohammadAGthat's what I want to do15:51
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MohammadAGwell, trying to do15:52
DocScrutinizerAIUI (with my fairly limited understanding of dbus) this pastebin gives a clue about existing interfaces (and methods if you continue to tab expand) of stock mediaplayer15:52
DocScrutinizermdbus2 using introspection to list all the exposed nterfaces15:53
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DocScrutinizerof course there *could* be one that's not exposed (i.e. does not support introspection), but seems the direct dbus-send calls to the interface you specified in that sourcecode failed as well15:54
DocScrutinizerthough dbus-send's error message about "data not correctly formated" or sth isn't really to the point15:55
DocScrutinizerI verified it seems to always spit out that shit if interface name is unknown15:55 is sip only?  it has no website15:55
dangergrrlmy sip # is via sipgate.com15:55
DocScrutinizerdoesn't matter, .de .at and prolly also .com all the same15:56
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, no, those are mafw's15:56
DocScrutinizerooh, missed .co.uk15:56
dangergrrlwill sipgate give me a number in another country?15:57
MohammadAGthe stock player only provides a few, one to open URIs, and another to open the now playing window15:57
DocScrutinizerI doubt. At least no geographical one15:57
DocScrutinizerin .de you need to provide proper addr and further data which will get checked, to get a geo-#15:58
DocScrutinizersome stupid law afaik15:58
MohammadAGthere's also something weird I can't figure out15:58
MohammadAGhow to detect if we're in the task manager15:58
MohammadAGthe stock player can do that15:58
DocScrutinizerin uk it's been different for some time, then they changed laws and now are worse than .de15:58
MohammadAGwell, since PR1.2 anyway, PR1.1.1's player lacked it15:59
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dangergrrland you have to be able to recieve a SMS in the country you want a number for16:00
DocScrutinizererr, not afaik16:00
DocScrutinizerhow would I receive SMS without a mobile phone?16:01
dangergrrlthey insisted on sending a SMS to one of a list of us carriers16:01
dangergrrlmy last carrier before i got the n900 wasn't on their list16:01
DocScrutinizeronly if you want to *send* SMS via sipgate, with your mobile number as sender ID16:01
E0xN0 that is a not funny april fool day joke16:01
DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: that can be different in US though16:01
DocScrutinizerno idea what they do over there to verify you're actually a US resident. Maybe sending an SMS is the only way :-D16:02
DocScrutinizerE0x: eh?16:03
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dangergrrl3578: / Your invitation code PIN is #### / Your invitation code PIN is ####16:03
dangergrrlthey sent me that16:03
dangergrrlso this morning in usa at least they require a cell phone16:04
DocScrutinizerNo idea what's an invitation code PIN16:04
DocScrutinizerwell, I registered with some 5 years ago16:05
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DocScrutinizerthings might have changed a lot since16:05
E0xDocScrutinizer: front page16:05
dangergrrlthough they accept some prepay disposable ones16:05
ruskieI thought quite a few countries already have a "prepay needs to be registered to a valid individual" type laws16:06
DocScrutinizerOMFG, this thing again16:06
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DocScrutinizerE0x: I agree, that's not any funny16:07
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ruskiedo not want nvida16:07
* SpeedEvil thumbs.16:08
E0xruskie: +116:08
DocScrutinizereven really badly done, as the friggin picture gets cropped right side on a 1280*800 screen16:08
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: that's because the virtual desktop is scrolling.16:09
E0xhmm but i like that icons set they use in that render16:09
MohammadAGI see, I need a xml file with all dbus interfaces
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: haha16:10
GAN900Poor wazd16:10
GAN900Is Firefox 4 for Maemo better than I remember?16:11
chem|stDocScrutinizer: what I do not like with sipgate is that I don't have a proper sip address to call me...16:11
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: that is for .de only afaik16:11
DocScrutinizerchem|st: you do16:11
MohammadAGGAN900, sorta16:12
chem|stDocScrutinizer: sip calls from outside "trusted" networks is not permitted16:12
DocScrutinizerlast time I tested16:12
DocScrutinizerwell, sure they may have set up a rather restrictive firewall to stop phone-spamming their customers16:14
chem|stlast time i checked was 4 years ago...16:14
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DocScrutinizera direct call to this sip-addr from at least worked. Maybe that'S one of their partner networks16:15
DocScrutinizerthis been like last week16:15
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DocScrutinizerI checked via direct-IP2IP SIP (unregistered SIP UA, from a dyndns-domain) some 4..5 years ago, and that worked back when16:16
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DocScrutinizernow thinking about it I consider it a security issue, regarding unsolicited mass callings16:18
E0xGAN900: very slow for use it everyday in my opinion16:18
DocScrutinizerwhat I hate is MWI indication stopped working here16:19
DocScrutinizermaybe I have to fix my config for that16:19
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DocScrutinizerbtw regarding that N0 thing: judging by the kbd it must be near to original size on a laptop screen16:26
DocScrutinizeror maybe they ship it with two metal fingerpick rings like you know for playing guitar16:27
DocScrutinizerso you can press a single key16:27
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chem|stOT: does SIP calling w/o sipaccount work now?16:28
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DocScrutinizersure, with the proper UA (i.e. twinklephone ;-D)16:29
DocScrutinizercalled direct IP2IP16:29
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DocScrutinizerthe UA directly resolves the domain part of the address and sends the INVITE there instead to SIP server16:30
DocScrutinizerthat's basically all16:31
DocScrutinizerso you can call me at SIP:joerg@<myDYNDNS> any time16:31
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DocScrutinizerobviously needs pinhole for port 5060 in your NAT & FW16:32
dangergrrlis sip encrypted at all?16:32
DocScrutinizerZRTP is16:32
DocScrutinizervisit for some details16:33
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DocScrutinizerthere's also a local proxy to crypt RTP to ZRTP for arbitrary UAs16:34
DocScrutinizerbut it's kinda clumsy to set up and handle, obviously16:34
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DocScrutinizer(missing integration into UA GUI)16:35
DocScrutinizeranyway ZRTP is transparent and works with any SIP RTP connection16:35
DocScrutinizeryou start a norma unencrypted call, and ZRTP transparently negotiates encryption via RTP channel, if both sides support it16:36
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DocScrutinizerafter a few seconds you can switch to crypted mode16:36
DocScrutinizervia a gui that the 'daemon' has to open up16:37
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DocScrutinizerif ZRTP isn't integrated into UA like it's done in twinkle16:38
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dangergrrlso empathy/telepathy won't do that?16:39
DocScrutinizerMitM attacks are spotted by you reading a fingerprint to your peer from that ZRTP popup display, far end compares for same fingerprint16:39
DocScrutinizerafaik telepathy doesn't support ZRTP16:40
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DocScrutinizerbut of course you can run TP thru that ZRTP local proxy16:40
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ArkanoiD-does not16:41
ArkanoiD-zrtp has srtp signaling inband, so it is mostly gstreamer issue, as it happens inside rtp, not sip16:42
DocScrutinizergood point16:43
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DocScrutinizerbut only changes the subsystem you had to patch to bring native ZRTP to e.g N90016:44
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chem|stwhat does the cssu features button do in my powermenu?16:45
DocScrutinizerand probably gstreamer also doesn't support ZRTP ootb16:45
MohammadAGgrr, still getting
DocScrutinizer  >>Secure voice communication by ZRTP/SRTP<<
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DocScrutinizerjobs/uslocations/mountain-view  meh!16:58
jacekowskiwell, apparently you can do that job in some other obscure locations around the world16:59
DocScrutinizerI'm not interested in coding googles autocompletion shit. Didn't know they had to finish it yet17:00
jacekowskiyou're not funny person17:00
jacekowskiread responsibilities on that page17:00
jacekowskiAs a Google Autocompleter, you’ll be expected to successfully guess a user’s intention as he or she starts typing instantly. In a fraction of a second, you’ll need to type in your prediction that will be added to the list of suggestions given by Google. Don’t worry, after a few million predictions you’ll grow the required reflexes.17:01
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DocScrutinizersorry, I never really got the concept of wasting my Apr-1 daytime with making others wasting theirs on some pranks17:03
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DocScrutinizerso yes, I'm not a funny person17:04
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jigrapanyone knows why the scrolling on the n900 is not as smooth as the iphone?17:10
Robot101jigrap: quality of PowerVR SGX drivers17:14
Robot101jigrap: they're much better than the normal ones that Imagination provide for Linux, but not as good as Apple's17:14
jacekowskiRobot101: BS17:14
jacekowskipowervr is a lot faster than iphone graphic chip17:14
jacekowskiit's bandwidth between omap and lcd17:15
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Robot101well, there is tearing caused just on the SGX17:15
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jacekowskibut powervr itself is like 2-3x faster than apple chip17:15
Robot101the drivers don't have buffer flipping in the N900 release17:15
jacekowskiRobot101: it's LCD bandwidth problem17:16
Robot101so updating any composited window always results in a memcpy17:16
Robot101it's several problems - this is definitely one of them17:16
Robot101I know because Collabora worked both on the 3D drivers and on hildon-desktop...17:16
jacekowskiand besides, powervr isn't used when you don't do 3d17:16
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jacekowskiand he has problem on 2d17:16
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Robot101yes it is, the entire desktop is composited at all times unless the app is full-screen and explicitly disables composition17:17
Robot101Gtk+ does some silly stuff which doesn't help either, but it depends on the app in this case17:17
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Robot101anyway, I don't care to argue with you about what is true or not, it's a waste of my life - take care!17:17
jacekowskitake a look at tvout17:17
jacekowskieverything is smooth there17:17
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jigrapRobot101: is there something I can do to improve it?17:25
jigrapits mostly the scrolling17:25
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jacekowskiimprove stuff so it requires less bandwidth17:26
jigrapthe browser scrolling and the mail client really lack, I just wondered if someone had a better driver for it thats not part of the release17:27
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jacekowskijigrap: use opera17:27
jacekowskijigrap: it's much smoother17:27
jigrapI'll give it a try17:27
jacekowskibut scrolling problem there is because microb is just slow17:28
jacekowskiand modest isn't fastest mail client as well17:28
ruskieprobably slowest17:28
jigrapyou're right with opera its a lot smoother17:29
DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: chem|st:
jigrapis there a faster mail client too?17:29
DocScrutinizerlo Robot10117:29
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jigrapwonder if I can change the default browser to opera17:34
psycho_oreosyou probably could with the browser switchboard and then specifying the custom browser, the full path of opera binary17:35
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ArGGu^^Does someone know is it okay use the default ringtones with own application?17:38
ArGGu^^or does that violate license or something+17:39
SpeedEvilIf you're just playing them, there can't be a problem.17:39
SpeedEvilIf you're copying them to another platform, expensive.17:39
ArGGu^^SpeedEvil ok I using them as default alerts sound in my irc client17:39
SpeedEvilnot allowed.17:40
SpeedEvilbut simply playing - there won't be a problem.17:40
ArGGu^^it just plays them17:40
ArGGu^^finally my IRC client is starting to be ready :)17:41
SpeedEvilWhat does it do that xcaht doesn't.17:41
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SpeedEvil(lack of main window scroll is a bit annoying)17:42
ArGGu^^But I'm in bit of hurry. I have deadline today :S17:42
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ArGGu^^SpeedEvil I will make website and video to youtube of it I will paste url when I get them done17:43
ArGGu^^I have deadline for it beacause I use it as projectwork in my qt course17:43
SpeedEvilCongrats anyway.17:44
SpeedEvilMore competition is always good.17:44
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: (lack of main window scrolling) I mapped that to up/down and am happy with that17:46
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DocScrutinizeractually I prefer this to any ts-based scrolling17:47
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DocScrutinizerI basically swapped the shift-up/down which formerly been scroll, and the textinput history up/down17:48
DocScrutinizerI'm not exactly sure it's already in there:
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DocScrutinizernow it is
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DocScrutinizerjust a way to speed up scrolling or even jump-to-end missing17:58
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jigrapany applets that show the battery percentage and time left on the n900?17:59
DocScrutinizerchanging the +/-1 parameter to sth higher didn't work17:59
jigrapgot one18:00
DocScrutinizerjigrap: I think a lot. Though all of them are suspicious to be battery hogs themselves18:00
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DocScrutinizerthere's one though that for sure isn't: a queenbeecon button calling bq27200.sh18:01
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DocScrutinizer(of course you could as well call lshal|grep battery-percentage, but it's less accurate usually)18:01
MohammadAGgotta love the time and effort people put in april fools jokes18:02
MohammadAGMicrosoft has ceased development of the Windows operating system and will be releasing its own Linux distribution, the company revealed in an SEC filing yesterday.18:02
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DocScrutinizermy april fools joke for today:18:02
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MohammadAGhmm, I wonder if that's a filter18:04
MohammadAGmy april fools joke for today:18:04
MohammadAGheh, nvm18:04
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E0xn900 have NFC support ?18:08
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DocScrutinizererrr, no?18:08
Robot101DocScrutinizer: yo18:09
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DocScrutinizerneither near field communication nor no friggin clue support18:09
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ShadowJKThere's like /one/ nokia phone with Near Field Communication18:09
ShadowJKa 6xxx something18:09
ArGGu^^btw. Is 500 good scrollback line count?18:10
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ArGGu^^the client does not yet have option to set it. But I'm going to add it sometime. But now I do not have time :S18:12
DocScrutinizerfor my shells I like to have 200018:12
ArGGu^^yeah but in irc?18:12
E0xsame here18:12
DocScrutinizerprolly fine18:12
DocScrutinizerwe got chanlog18:12
MohammadAGhas NFC even taken off?18:13
Macerso.. is there a way to run maemo on my g2?18:13
DocScrutinizernot here18:13
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DocScrutinizerheard in Japan it did18:13
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infoboti heard nfc is No Fucking Clue18:14
Macerwtf is nfc?18:14
DocScrutinizer~wtf nfc18:14
infobotNFC: no fucking clue18:14
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DocScrutinizernear field communication18:14
Macerlike... uhf radio?18:14
Macerso it is a walkie talkie built into your phone18:14
DocScrutinizerusually lower freq18:14
DocScrutinizerlike 14Mhz, or even kHz range18:15
DocScrutinizerMacer: more like a invisible barcode18:15
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DocScrutinizerreadout range from 5cm to max 2m18:15
Macerisnt 14mhz hf?18:16
DocScrutinizerMHz is18:16
DocScrutinizermHz not18:16
Macerat least you can get some bounce18:16
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Maceri meant MHz18:16
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Macerdidnt feel like caps18:17
DocScrutinizerbut not U*HF18:17
Macerof course18:17
Macerhf is probably better anyways18:17
Macerbut i am sure it sounds like shit18:17
Macerhf will atmo bounce18:18
Macermight have a better chance of making it out alive from the side of a mountain ditch18:18
DocScrutinizerNFC is for tickets, ID cards etc18:18
DocScrutinizerlike barcode, but without light18:19
Macerso it is just an e-me?18:19
Maceri thought it was a radio xmitter18:19
SpeedEvilIt is.18:20
Macerso it is just bt with your information floating around on it18:20
SpeedEvilBut very, very short range.18:20
DocScrutinizerbut *very* weak18:20
SpeedEvilas in under 30cm18:20
Macerthat is lame haha18:20
SpeedEvilIt's really not.18:20
DocScrutinizerthat's intentional18:20
SpeedEvilConsider being able to pay for stuff by waving your phone at it.18:20
Macermaybe if it was a card18:20
Macerwith an off switch18:20
DocScrutinizerit usually is18:20
Maceri wouldnt want that shit on my phone tho18:21
SpeedEvilDone right, it's a bit pointless TBH on a smartphone.18:21
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SpeedEvilAs it can display a QR code.18:21
Macerpeople lose phones a lot easier than a wallet18:21
MohammadAGwtf is with the N90018:21
MohammadAGit went to 6:20 AM of 2 April18:21
DocScrutinizerwell, a phone has added benefit of a kbd to enter passphrase etc18:21
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DocScrutinizerthat's maemo's april's fool18:22
Macermy n900 is on top of my fridge beginning its dust collecting18:24
Macergot a g218:24
DocScrutinizerthe poor dust18:25
SpeedEvilMacer: Ah.18:25
Macerfigured getting a g2 would take 5 less years than waiting on meego or nitdroid to be fully functional on the n90018:25
SpeedEvilMacer: Going to be ebaying the n900?18:25
GAN900Hey, we might get an N950 sometime this year!18:26
DocScrutinizerwell, if you want andridiot then why you bought a N900?18:26
Macerbecause i wanted maemo18:26
Macerpoor ruined maemo18:26
ShadowJKmaemo works better on n900 than g2 :P18:26
Macerwell.. the existing maemo still has some life.. but it is the end of maemo i am sure18:27
MohammadAGGAN900, did they actually say 2011?18:27
MacerShadowJK: sorry.. i wanted a supported maemo18:27
Macerpoor abandoned orphan maemo18:27
DocScrutinizerI couldn't care less about N950foo18:27
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MohammadAGI could18:27
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GAN900MohammadAG, "later this year" is what I keep hearing.18:28
DocScrutinizerok, let's bet on type of touchscreen18:28
MohammadAGI'll start a project which is similar to Mer, but backwards18:28
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GAN900If it's not 2011, well, they might as well not bother.18:28
Macerthey are releasing an n950?18:28
MohammadAGas much of Fremantle as we can get on the N950!18:28
MohammadAGoh wait *remembers cordia*18:28
MohammadAGMacer, yes18:28
Maceri will wait until they abandon it and buy one for $50 later18:29
Maceri stuck with them with the n8x0 and n900 but they lost me with the n90018:29
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sounds like a plan - get rid of all that presumed maego/harmattan crap18:29
Macerthey need to fire the entire nokia board18:29
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Macerin a way i feel kind of sorry for sts.. he is a good guy and works so hard on something i honestly dont think will see the light of day18:31
MohammadAGand  hire me? :P18:31
DocScrutinizerooh you're not yet?18:31
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Maceri mean.. it would be awesome if it all worked out.... but... :)18:31
GAN900DocScrutinizer, capacitive for sure.18:32
DocScrutinizerit's an uphill battle, against blobs like bme and dialer, crap like sensorfw and now even qtmob actively sabotaging a proper power management18:33
MohammadAGindeed, who wants resistive, it's accurate and can be used with precise styli18:33
SpeedEvilI want memristive display.18:33
MacerDocScrutinizer:  that it is18:34
Maceri think he should have just backported to maemo18:35
DocScrutinizerI don't want much nifty stuff, a simple nice stantum r-ts is all it needs to make me happy18:35
Macerreally all maemo needs is an updated ui18:35
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nid0and loads of other things18:35
Maceri mean i am sure other things could use some work18:35
Macerbut outright abandonment sucks18:36
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Macerbut meego is in the hands of the industrys top businesses18:36
DocScrutinizerMacer: keep your finger off my beloved hildon UI!18:36
MacerDocScrutinizer: hah18:36
DocScrutinizergrab you g2, pet it and shutup ;-D18:37
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Macerhaha.. dont need to... it pets me18:38
DocScrutinizerdoes your GF know of that?18:38
Macersay what you want about android... it works18:38
Macerall it needs is a gnu env18:39
Macerwith bash and apt18:39
DocScrutinizerand a kernel that doesn't suck donkey balls18:39
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Macerit lets the hw work18:39
Macerwhat more do you need on a phone?18:40
DocScrutinizeryeah, but only the hw18:40
DocScrutinizersw evidently doesn't work when focus lost18:40
Maceryou want to route on it or something?18:40
MohammadAGI'd appreciate an open bootloader device without an OS from Nokia18:40
Maceror add  in mwave support18:40
GAN900Macer, no, no it doesn't.18:41
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: with a proper BSP yes, exactly what I've hoped Nokia would do with meego18:41
Maceri dont understand what other kernel features you are looking for on a phone :)18:41
GAN900Android is painful and frustrating in ways Maemo can only aspire to.18:41
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MacerGAN900: ive heard.. but you can get the dalvik ide for free heh18:42
Maceri just wish it had a gnu env18:42
Macerlike the n90018:42
GAN900I want Maemo, with more support and less fail.18:42
GAN900That would be perfect for me.18:42
Macerme too but that isnt realistic18:43
GAN900Android and iOS aren't reasonable substitutes.18:43
Macerandroid is here to stay18:43
Macermaemo is not18:43
Macernokias fault for sure18:43
DocScrutinizerbut unlike other manufacturers of small computer boards, nokia seems never heard about such things like board support package18:43
MohammadAG<Macer> android is here to stay <-- good luck with that18:43
Macerchickens with their heads cut off18:44
MacerMohammadAG: hahaha18:44
DocScrutinizerinstead they thought they need to sell software now, rather than hardware. This killed them18:44
Macercompare android phone sales vs all maemo devices18:44
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Maceri bet even the g1 alone outsold all maemo devices18:45
Macergood marketing and cosistent google support18:45
MohammadAGsure, android pwned maemo18:45
Macerthings nokia lacked while sitting on their mountain18:45
MohammadAGbut the media and marketing can do whatever it wants to a certain thing18:45
MohammadAGAndroid 3.0 being closed source might actually reduce sails18:45
Macerand the media and marketing love android18:46
MohammadAGI'm not saying Maemo's any better btw18:46
crashanddiemight reduce sails?18:46
DocScrutinizerbye peeps18:46
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, nazi18:46
Macerios is closed18:47
Macerit seems to do pretty well18:47
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Maceryou dont think google can market?18:47
psycho_oreoswindows phone 7 isn't open either and they aren't doing too well18:47
nid0google have been marketing android as open for several years18:47
Macerpsycho_oreos: better than maemo still im sure18:48
nid0suddenly losing the one major marketing hype factor android has over ios = makes marketing that point akward18:48
nid0not that itll stop them18:48
psycho_oreosMacer, or are you here to troll for your hatred towards maemo community like the rest of those who went to android realm?18:48
Macernid0: joe user could care less about their phone os being open18:49
Macerlol. nooooo.18:49
nid0Macer: no, but joe user does like to *think* it's open.18:49
Maceri love maemo.. and of course am angry at such horrible nokia decisions18:49
GAN900Macer, yes, but iOS doesn't tell you it's something it's not going in.18:49
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Macerespecially after paying money for maemo devices to see them abandoned over and over18:50
Macernid0: only if their friend shows them a super awesome app that requires hackery18:50
Macerother than that.. they discuss how they are downloading awesome ringtones for free from some website18:51
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Macerwho knows tho. maybe nokidiot  inc will wide open the n900 once it is totally obsolete18:52
Macerand eliminate roadblocks in dev and then they will see a 6 year old phone doing things they never imagined when they had a chance to do it before they went bankrupt or were bought by htc18:53
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E0xMacer: that will never happen18:55
Maceranyways.... heh18:55
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nid0god I hate yahoo. :<18:58
nid0and BT for using yahoo.18:58
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edheldilHi, guys, does n900 still lack SimToolkit?19:04
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edheldilis there any known reason? Even palm treo has it :(19:09
SpeedEvilEveIt wasn't in the specs.19:10
SpeedEvilAnd STK doesn't in many ways work well with the fundamental assumptions.19:10
SpeedEvilFor example, STK applications should be able to demand low level access to the display and keyboard.19:11
SpeedEvilThis means odd things on a smartphone, when it's assuming it's a dumbphone.19:11
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SpeedEvilAnyway - it can only be fixed at the modem firmware level.19:12
SpeedEvilSo it's not possible for 'us' to fix.19:12
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edheldilThat sounds pretty bad :(19:15
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SpeedEvilWell - all it means is that you're vanishingly unlikely to get STK stuff working.19:16
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GAN900New Yorkers . . . living there must be hell on Earth.19:18
MohammadAGZogG, did you feel an earthquake 2 hours ago?19:18
MohammadAGcause I didn't19:18
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ZogGMohammadAG i was sleeping19:18
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trip0SpeedEvil, that is quite awesome19:30
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SpeedEvilIs it just two graphics overlaid, moved WRT each otehr?19:31
SpeedEvilI should investigate - but meh.19:31
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DocScrutinizer51killer on microb19:38
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, click the See here for more at the top and you'll see what they are19:49
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o0-Dan-0ogood afternoon19:59
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o0-Dan-0ois there any bug or incompability with wpa2 (psk)20:01
ShadowJKI'm using wpa2 just fine20:01
o0-Dan-0on900 seems not to be finding my AP20:01
ShadowJKWhat channel is it on?20:01
o0-Dan-0ohave to check that settings done way back20:02
Sazpaimonso like, this is the second day this week my alarm failed to ring20:02
o0-Dan-0ois it a radio freq. problem?!20:03
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Sazpaimoni set 3 alarms last night, one for 6:45, one for 7:20, and one for 8:3020:03
Sazpaimoni wake up myself at 7:30, and the phone didn't ring at all20:03
Sazpaimoni unlock it, and it shows the 6:45 alarm and THEN starts ringing20:03
Sazpaimonwhat the hell20:04
o0-Dan-0ochannel 1320:04
ShadowJKDo you have a sim card?20:04
o0-Dan-0oi remember now i've changed it a few years ago one of my pc's was acting crazy20:05
ShadowJKWithout a sim card with country code of a country wehre channel 13 is permitted wouldn't work20:06
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MohammadAGachipa, I need to include some upstream Qt fixes in the CSSU, question is, should I include Qt 4.7.2?20:06
o0-Dan-0oyeah not using sim20:06
o0-Dan-0ogot the phone yesterday20:06
ShadowJKAtleast that's what I've discovered :P20:07
ShadowJKwith my spare N90020:07
o0-Dan-0ojust setting and trying stuff20:07
o0-Dan-0o=) thanks20:07
* ShadowJK has a WRT54GL20:07
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nid0just bumping the ap down to channel 11 should take care of that20:08
DocScrutinizero0-Dan-0o: check out notmynokia prior to inserting any SIM20:09
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: and I thought the allowed wifi freq were set in CAL20:10
DocScrutinizergonne check eventually20:11
ShadowJKYeah no idea about that, but my spare, repair/refurb N900, that to my knowledge has never seen a SIM card, doesn't see my channel 13 AP20:11
ShadowJKAlso my N900 that didn't go via Nokia Care didn't see 13AP until I inserted Sim card :P20:11
o0-Dan-0oermmm i was about to put the sim20:11
SpeedEviljacekowski: You got a serial adaptor for the n900 diddn't you?20:11
DocScrutinizerless -f /dev/mtd220:11
SpeedEviljacekowski: Can you flash - the main OS through it?20:11
jacekowskiserial adaptor?20:12
SpeedEviljacekowski: Or am I confused.20:12
jacekowskii have flashing jig20:12
jacekowskibut just that without anything else20:12
Sc0rpiusis that an April's Fool joke?20:12
jacekowskiSc0rpius: no20:12
ShadowJKI think it's old20:12
DocScrutinizererr mtd120:12
jacekowskiSc0rpius: that's very old news20:12
jacekowskiSc0rpius: like 2-3 years old20:12
Sc0rpiuswhy don't they do it with Maemo?20:12
Sc0rpiushaha it says March 31st, 2011.20:13
ShadowJKSc0rpius, actually for Symbian too they rewrote the lot before publishing it20:13
ShadowJKkinda like MeeGo I guess20:13
ShadowJKAnd you don't get any hw specific bits, I'm sure20:13
Sc0rpiusI guess...20:13
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: and well, i believe it can be flashed that way20:14
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: i mean, it's standard omap thing to boot from serial20:14
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: but that jig i have is useless without base flasher for it20:14
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SpeedEviljacekowski: But you'd need additional software to actually do it.20:14
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: not so much20:14
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: serial boot is in omap boot rom20:14
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: same thing as beagleboard20:15
SpeedEvilI mean - additional PC software20:15
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: you just need hyper terminal20:15
SpeedEvilIt's not going to take the maemo images over xmodem.20:15
jacekowskithere is size limit for boot rom20:15
jacekowskiiirc it's coule kbytes20:15
jacekowskiand it's not flashing it it's just booting it20:16
jacekowskisame stuff as coldflash over usb20:16
jacekowskiyou boot phone via usb/serial with flashing firmware and then send image to flash20:16
jacekowskibut hardware is fully capable of that20:16
SpeedEvilI meant you're going to need custom software if you want to actually flash over serial.20:16
jacekowskiyeah, nolo can't do it20:17
jacekowskinolo is usb only i believe20:17
o0-Dan-0oso ovimaps will generate data transfering which is not cool =/ i've red about sygic20:18
o0-Dan-0oanybody tryed ?20:18
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jacekowskio0-Dan-0o: you can download maps for offline use in ovi maps20:20
jacekowskio0-Dan-0o: and sygic is poor20:20
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jacekowskio0-Dan-0o: nowhere close to tomtom20:20
o0-Dan-0oyeah but no tomtom on maemo right20:22
o0-Dan-0oi used ndrive which i really enjoy20:22
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: uBoot might work20:23
o0-Dan-0oalso not available on maemo20:23
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Sure - but it won't be able to 'normally' flash images.20:23
SpeedEvilthe fiasco ones20:23
o0-Dan-0ojacekowski, so what you're saying is ovimaps ftw20:23
o0-Dan-0oon maemo20:23
jacekowskii'm saying ovimaps suck the least20:24
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: no support for onenand on n900 and uboot i believe20:24
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: I gather you gave up on fixing the usb receptacle?20:24
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jacekowskidon't know why20:24
jacekowskibut apparently it doesn't work20:25
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Dibblah's phone actually. not given up, just it's not seeing vbus.20:25
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o0-Dan-0obest gps solution for n900 in your opinion?20:25
jacekowskio0-Dan-0o: buy external tomtom20:25
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you need vbus for flashing?20:27
o0-Dan-0o(for n900)20:27
DocScrutinizero0-Dan-0o: mappero20:27
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Well - if it's not picking up the vbus, it's not going to go into flashing mode is it?20:27
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jacekowskii think that can be worked around with modified nolo20:28
DocScrutinizerinteresting question20:28
jacekowskiif you can flash modified nolo20:28
DocScrutinizerbut yeah. seems you're right20:28
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DocScrutinizeryou can't force it into flashing mode by holding 'u' without cable plugged iirc20:29
jacekowskiit will just wait there until it detects host20:29
jacekowskiand host detection is done using vbus and data lines after that20:29
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DocScrutinizer:nod: even20:32
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* GAN900 pounds head on desk.21:16
GAN900Who provides licensed material on Bluray?21:16
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ZogGmva wait what?21:24
ZogGmva, are you the one from gentoo-ru?21:24
mvait;s irc, bro21:24
ZogGso do you set gentoo on n900 already?21:25
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mvain chroot21:25
ZogGhave you* even21:25
MohammadAGand LOL @ real name21:25
ZogGMohammadAG, &21:25
ZogGdamn i miss keys21:25
ZogGi'm stupid21:25
* ZogG punches MohammadAG 21:25
ZogGMohammadAG, why am i so stupid?21:26
mvaMohammadAG: which of? mine? ;)21:26
ZogGMohammadAG, will you be here at night today?21:26
MohammadAGZogG, repeat the question and look in a mirror21:26
ArGGu^^anyone know should add depencies to libqt4 packages or libqt4-maemo5?21:26
MohammadAGZogG, umm, maybe? :P21:26
ArGGu^^what is the difference?21:26
ZogGMohammadAG i want date with you21:26
MohammadAGdon't add dependencies manually21:26
ZogGi mean i need you to help me figure out somethings21:26
ArGGu^^MohammadAG well how then?21:27
MohammadAGDepends: ${shlibs:Depends}21:27
ZogGArGGu^^ you have sot of makefile when you do deb with all configs21:27
MohammadAGmake sure you have dh_shlibdeps in debian/rules21:27
ArGGu^^what the ${shlibs:Depends} means?21:28
MohammadAGsomewhere before dh_gencontrol21:28
ArGGu^^the qtcreator add ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}21:28
ArGGu^^It did all the file automatically21:28
MohammadAGdh_shlibdeps creates a list of dependencies21:28
ArGGu^^are there enough?21:28
ArGGu^^hmm ok21:28
ArGGu^^but can I add depencies manually?21:29
ArGGu^^osso-sounds-rtc, maemo-ringtones-mr021:29
ZogGArGGu^^ why would you want that?21:29
MohammadAG, after it21:29
ArGGu^^I would add there just because I use sounds from them21:29
MohammadAGbasically, anything you've linked to will be included21:31
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iluminator101how do i change the alarm sound on my n900 the sound is weak its just not waking me up21:33
ArGGu^^MohammadAG if I open from the deb file the control file it should have depends?21:33
ArGGu^^I opened it and it does not have them :S21:33
MohammadAGdo you have dh_shlibdeps in debian/rules?21:34
ArGGu^^but I deb package is generated with qtcreator21:34
ArGGu^^wait I check21:34
MohammadAGI think Qt Creator has some stuff commented out21:34
ArGGu^^it was commented21:34
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ArGGu^^it give me error file not found :S21:40
ArGGu^^maybe I need do it in scratchbox21:40
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG do you know if anything else needs to be uncommented
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jigrapis there some guide that tells you how to transfer contacts/pictures and music from your iphone(itunes)?22:01
jigrapto the n90022:01
jigrapi think for the contacts i can just import the windows contacts from vcf22:02
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DocScrutinizeriluminator101: check settings22:08
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DocScrutinizerumm sorry, you said alarm sound? like clock-alarm? clock menu: alarm settings22:10
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DocScrutinizerjigrap: importing vcf should be easy22:12
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DocScrutinizerpictures and music you will simply need to copy the files to proper locations on N900 (particularly [/home/user/MyDocs|N900]/.documents|Documents and /.images|Picturs and DCIM|Camera22:16
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MohammadAGwriting to sysfs shouldn't cause load on IO right?22:18
DocScrutinizersorry, this mess isn't my idea. But I think you're kinda used to it when you are familiar with apple's products and/or Windows22:18
MohammadAGsysfs is virtual after all22:18
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: first approach: yes22:19
khertanHello !22:19
ZogGkhertan, qould you be here later? i would add you to main jabber and work one as there i have proxy =(22:19
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: of course writing into a sysfs node can cause IO in consequence22:19
khertanZogG: unfortunatly i could be here for few minutes only22:19
ZogGthan next time22:20
ZogGgoing to work now and i'll be here after our or something22:20
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khertangoing to go to viet vo dao training22:21
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, say 50 times a second22:21
* DocScrutinizer says "50 times a second"22:22
khertanDocScrutinizer: says "50 times a second"22:22
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khertanwhat s the game try to go everyone saying : DocScrutinizer: says "50 times a second" in less than a second ?22:22
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khertanThe most important foolapril joke on French IT Blob is that Nokia is abandonning WinPhon7 for MeeGo ...22:24
khertanpfff that s not funny22:24
ArGGu^^MohammadAG do not know what black magic happend, but some reason it just worked now :)22:24
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: anyway, your question suggests it's the wrong question after all22:26
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GAN900OK, I five up on Firefox22:27
GAN900slow, slow slow22:27
DocScrutinizerIO is defined as ... well.. CPU talking to peripherals other than RAM22:27
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DocScrutinizerusually these transfers are treated and metered separately as they are typically way slower than RAM access, and often CPU has to wait for data transfer to complete, which usually is done via (once again) IRQ signalling the IO hw has finished the job. So CPU can do other thing in the meantime.22:29
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DocScrutinizerAsking if writing to a special location is causing IO usually doesn't make much sense, unless you are planning to write huge amounts of data, where IO bandwidth starts to slow down your app on IOwait22:31
DocScrutinizerwriting *anywhere* 50/s is for sure not a sane thing anyway22:32
DocScrutinizerno matter if it's causing IO or not22:32
DocScrutinizerat least on a system supposed to idle 99.9% of time22:32
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DocScrutinizeryou might do that *only* if you know the system is definitely 100% active anyway, and you need tight control over something that has no better way to handle it, like e.g. a LED you want to make flash in fancy ways (buzzword CIR)22:35
E0xcomputer science class ?22:35
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DocScrutinizer:shrug:  If you think my monologue qualifies for a lesson...22:35
E0xevery word have some meaning , is up to you which one ....22:36
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DocScrutinizermohe.g. writing to lp5523/*/brighness actually does cause IO, though the not so classical meaning of IO. It's transfering data over I2C to the lp5523 chip. You can do this occasionally for a few seconds, but not on a regular basis, like 50% of the time22:45
DocScrutinizerdamn, he's gone22:46
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jigrapany idea of what I can do when I run out of space in the rootfs of the n900? I'm trying to install a custom package that I built and it needs more space23:10
jigrapshould I remount /usr/bin somewhere else?23:10
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SpeedEvilThat will make it bootloop on startup.23:14
SpeedEvilConfigure your app to install somewhere else.23:14
SpeedEvilOr use symlinks to make it not really install on the root23:14
jigrapI'll change /opt/rovio23:15
jigrapthats where it seems to install stuff23:15
jigrapI mean /opt23:15
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markinfowhat is needed to browse filesystem from n900 on another PC connected over Bluetooth?23:48
markinfothis devices are already paired23:49
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pupnikmarkinfo: sshfs, nfs, samba, thttpd23:51
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markinfopupnik, over Filemanager it is not possible?23:51
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