IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-02-28

pupnikhaha i pasted
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pupniknice copy of maemo icons00:01
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ale152could anyone tell me how to read strenght power of fm transmitter from terminal? :D00:35
hawaii_cat /sys/clas/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level ?00:38
FireFly|n900the power level of my transmitter is <9000 :(00:41
ale152yes, that one :D00:41
ale152thank you hawaii_ :D00:41
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pupnik   Finland beats Germany00:53
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* GeneralAntilles yawns.03:24
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GeneralAntillesvalhalla resigned? Nice.03:29
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jonwilbah, I found YET ANOTHER THING that is closed source in maemo and open source in meego03:50
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pupnik   absolute classic 'SmashTV' console going for fairly good price - 50 minutes left04:05
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jonwilI am sort of figuring some stuff out about the dialer but I dont know the best way to document the information04:19
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jonwilwiki page comming up04:30
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: I love mpg12306:21
DocScrutinizerfrom what they have on their feature page06:21
DocScrutinizer>>GStreamer apps could also profit from getting libmpg123 mojo -- and there is a libmpg123 plugin for GStreamer, which apparently just needs some polish. See discussion at GNOME / Rhythmbox and launchpad bug for Rhythmbox<< for the MAFW fanboys06:22
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ShadowJKI think ffmpeg is much faster than libmpg123 on arm06:32
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DocScrutinizer>>The ffmpeg project could still profit from getting a libmpg123 wrapper: ffmpeg audio decoder performance comparison. Now a question is: Which fork of ffmpeg? I remember Michael saying that he won't oppose a wrapper when it's maintained, while Diego stronly argued for actually moving mpg123 code into ffmpeg and ditch any separate specialized library.<<06:45
DocScrutinizerFFmpeg is quite an amazing program. There’s a certain smugness that comes with being involved with it. That can lead to a bit of complacency followed by shock when realizing that you’re not as good as you thought you were.06:47
DocScrutinizerThat happened to me recently when I realized the official libtheora decoder is significantly more performant than FFmpeg’s Theora decoder.06:47
DocScrutinizer>> Results: FFmpeg: 22.3s libmad: 24.2s mpg123:  9.5s<<06:51
DocScrutinizermpg123 -q -s file.mp3 > /dev/null06:51
DocScrutinizerwell, 14 months old06:53
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ShadowJKthat's most likely on x8606:57
DocScrutinizerbut yeah, >> As Mans discovered, sometimes FFmpeg’s deficiencies are actually gcc’s fault. However, that blog post was primarily concerned with PowerPC.<<  somebody might want to test that for ARM. Nevertheless mpg123 *has* that nice feature list (EQ, gapless playback...)06:57
ShadowJKgapless is more of a player feature, not so much of a codec feature :)06:58
DocScrutinizernot really06:58
DocScrutinizerthe decoder engine has to know how to switch mp3 encoded input in a gapless way06:59
ShadowJKengine != codec06:59
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DocScrutinizerhm, yeah07:00
DocScrutinizersorry, no coffee07:00
DocScrutinizermpg123 is both anyway, and that's what I like it for07:01
ShadowJKWhen you put libmpg123 in another "engine" or player, there wont necessarily be gapless playback unless the engine+player supports it07:02
DocScrutinizeryeah, but when you put MAFW into any player GUI, there'll be *no* gapless playback no matter what you do07:03
DocScrutinizernot to mention the other points listed in
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* ShadowJK tested mplayer-maemo5 decode of a random mp3 file just now07:08
ShadowJKffmpeg 25 seconds mp3lib (internal copy of libmpg123) 30 seconds07:08
DocScrutinizerquite decent for the aded functionality07:09
ShadowJKthe easiest hack for gapless playback with most players+codecs: cat *.mp3 | player -07:09
DocScrutinizermeh, my point stands: mafw is clumsy crap, monolithic apps doing eq and whatever else mangeling (dyn compr), and decoding all in one step are per definitionem more versatile and higher optimized than backend frameworks like MAFW07:12
ShadowJKmafw and gstreamer are best avoided :)07:13
DocScrutinizerdon't forget about PA, should become an element of your list of things to avoid - esp XPROT which best is done in HW but also can be done withut 18% CPU punishment in mpg123 for example07:15
MohammadAG18% of the cpu is wasted for protection?07:16
DocScrutinizerbtw I hope you repeated your tests of mplayer ffmpeg vs mp3lib a several times, to make sure you always got the same cache situation etc07:18
ShadowJKdisabled sounds output too07:20
DocScrutinizerI'd prefer to compare to mpg123 anyway07:21
DocScrutinizerbut honestly I'm not that much interested in performance, way more in feature set and quality07:22
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ShadowJKhm, new firefox/fennec07:24
DocScrutinizeryeah I know, mp3 and quality in same sentence is kinda paradox. But that's where that mindset to tolerate all kinds of quirks comes from, people don't care about HiFi and *music* any more, the want cheap *sound*07:24
* ShadowJK hopes proxy support is back07:24
ShadowJKlibmad (and its mad123 player) are probably highest quality, iirc it decodes to 20 bits or something07:25
DocScrutinizerwon't help when you postprocess that in XPROT and whatnot, not to mention EQ07:26
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DocScrutinizerwon't help when you postprocess that in XPROT and whatnot, not to mention EQ07:28
DocScrutinizerand a true gapless clickfree playback of Pink Floyd album where one song fades into next, that's still not an original feature of libmad07:28
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ShadowJKit's not a codec feature07:30
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DocScrutinizerbut it's a mpg123 feature07:31
ShadowJKFor gapless playback either the calling player or the codec itself must be able to truncate the last mp3 frame to correct length. The calling player must not flush,close,open sound output between songs07:32
ShadowJKmpg123 the player obviously can do this07:32
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DocScrutinizerand mafw never even thought about it07:33
ShadowJKprobably not gstreamer either07:34
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ShadowJKand we don't know if the nokia supplied mp3 decoder can truncate last frame07:34
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MorvanHow to increase the size of the partition rootfs in a flashing ?07:56
Morvan( I'm french, sorry for my bad english )07:56
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DocScrutinizerrootfs is using all the space available, you can't increase it (it's on 256MB NAND)08:01
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DocScrutinizer/opt however is mounted from /home which lives on eMMC in a default 2GV partition that easily can grow, see
MorvanI'm can to increase the size of partition 256 MB  ?08:06
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DocScrutinizerNAND is a separate flash chip of 256MB size08:07
DocScrutinizerthink of it like your boot HDD in your PC. It can't grow08:08
MorvanBecause in the end it was she who flange for installing all my programs.08:08
DocScrutinizeryour programs should install to /opt, see08:09
infobot[optification] a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence308:09
MorvanThis is a limitation physic? Omg.08:10
MorvanIt is possible to ignore this chip and copy the contents into the 30Gb disk?08:12
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MorvanOK. Thank you very much.08:20
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MorvanAnd it is possible to mount the phone via USB root? (And not chroot in the /home/user/MyDocs)08:23
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MorvanUse in mass storage08:24
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DocScrutinizersorry, I was busy with buying and preparing coffee. Can you please rephrase your question08:27
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DocScrutinizer(ignore chip) well, not really/completely. The bootloader (caled NOLO, the thing that displays "NOKIA" during boot) will try to mount the rootfilesystem from that 256MB NAND chip, and also will look for kernel there08:31
DocScrutinizercat /proc/mtd08:32
DocScrutinizeralso output of cmd `mount` and `df -h`08:33
DocScrutinizerubi0:rootfs           228M  159M   66M  71% /08:34
DocScrutinizer/dev/mmcblk0p2        2,0G  575M  1,4G  31% /home08:34
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DocScrutinizeryou might notice / is only 228MB, the rest is for the other partitions living on that 256MB NAND, as shown by `cat /proc/mtd`08:35
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DocScrutinizeranyway no tested app you can install from maemo-extras shall use more than a very few kB in rootfs. Optification (a process usually taken care of on buildhost) shall move all the huge space consuming stuff of any app to /opt08:38
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slonopotamuscan autobuilder be fixed to stop segfaulting on each and every arm binary?08:39
DocScrutinizeradmittedly that's a nasty hack, that has been invented to keep seamless software update working, as maemo-PR1.0 didn't have any /opt and of course no decent partitioning that would allow to mount /usr and /var partitions from that 32GB into rootfs. So everything is moved to /home/opt and linked to with symlinks08:41
MorvanThank you very much, I'm going forward with all your information. :)08:42
MorvanI go again here in half a day.08:42
DocScrutinizeryou are welcome08:42
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ShadowJKI think 1.0 had /opt, I think it was the summit 300 that came without /opt, and getting those devices migrated to bigger /home partition was when the emmc flashing arrived08:45
DocScrutinizerumm, not sure about that08:46
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DocScrutinizerlcuk should know08:46
DocScrutinizermaybe it had /opt, but no default policy to optify apps08:46
DocScrutinizerwe should ask mintux ;-D08:47
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ShadowJKautobuilder didn't do it automatically, no. That was probably added later as a facepalm response to devs consuming / :P08:47
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ShadowJKor the "my app is soooo important it has to be in /" that everyone had08:48
DocScrutinizerI wish they had the balls to do a clear cut with 1.1 and iron out the nonsense of having boot relevant stuf in /usr, then actually bindmount /usr and /var from eMMC08:50
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ShadowJKI wish they'd adopted /usr/maemo or /usr/apps as a PREFIX for all extras apps :p08:50
ShadowJKon emmc08:50
DocScrutinizerls ~user/.config - BLARGH!!08:51
ShadowJKand it's not even backed uo by backup utility :)08:52
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DocScrutinizersometimes you start to think somebody in Nokia favouring sybian has placed a few moles inside Qt, then forced Qt into maemo/meego as a part of a huge masterplan to make it fail and step back behind sybian08:56
DocScrutinizerhonestly, where's the benefit of that nuking down maemo for Qt and then another time for QML, that outweighs the fact Nokia missed to come up with a competitive OS version on a new device, in 2010?08:59
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DocScrutinizerand I'm afraid they aren't done yet with maemo, but rather will push a m6-harmattan-meegoHE based on Qt down maemo/N900 community's throat, to kill the whole "ecosystem" for good09:01
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DocScrutinizeras in m6 you can bet your ass there'll be so many regressions and bugs in all the ported-to-Qt maemo-core stuff, it'll be mere unusable as a daily phone, and m5 will become obsolete the day m6 rolls out. Mission accomplished, maemo dead09:04
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: don't you think we've seen all this before?09:17
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* DocScrutinizer idly dreams about a reality where there's been no meego-merger and Nokia assigned all manpower to improving/FOSSing maemo, came up with a nifty sleek m6 competitive to andridiot, on a selection of 2 or 3 alternative N9++ devices in 2010, while eventually adopting dalvik-emu to maemo...09:27
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DocScrutinizerone single downside: this path wouldn't serve as a hindsight excuse for buying trolltech/Qt, and wouldn't serve as a catalyst for Qt in symbian (which is dead either way)09:29
ruskieand what's the point of having dalvik-emu again?09:29
DocScrutinizerfor the "we want that fart app" fanboys09:29
ruskieso basically another useless thingy09:29
DocScrutinizeras useless as nitdroid09:30
DocScrutinizerbut better09:30
DocScrutinizerplus for Nokia it's a living "ecosystem" better than the winP7 crap they got now09:31
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gomiamerm... weird problem: I have two N800s and only one of them is able to see my home network. Any idea about why that could happen? There seems to be no problem at other networks.09:38
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DocScrutinizerchan 13, US vs EU WLAN channel regulation09:39
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gomiamI think I'm using channel 6, but you might be on to something... I'll check it when I get home.09:41
gomiamthanks for the idea.09:41
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jonwilFigured out some of the interesting stuff in librtcom-dialer-ui09:52
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: WOW09:57
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jonwilNext up I am going to identify function prototypes for all the functions in librtcom-dialer-ui called by rtcom-dialer-ui10:03
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jonwilbtw, the US vs EU channel 13 thing is what wl1251-cal is doing (and possibly why its closed source)10:20
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DocScrutinizeralso all access to CAL seems is covered by policy "always closed"10:22
Turtle^^whats us vs eu channel 13 thing?10:24
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jonwilwireless lan rules in different parts of the world10:24
Turtle^^i c10:25
crashanddiesame thing as FM radio only going up to 108 in some parts of the world, or down to 87...10:26
DocScrutinizerwhile down to 72(?) in others10:26
crashanddiedon't remember the numbers, that's why I didn't give it a shot :D10:26
DocScrutinizeror FMTX maximum power10:26
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maraineinhow far does the n900's fm radio go to?10:27
DocScrutinizersee above10:27
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* marainein wonders what secrets lie beyond the 108 mhz region10:28
ZogG_wFBI radio10:28
Turtle^^military and stuff10:28
ZogG_wDocScrutinizer: knows10:29
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ZogG_wanyway why MohammadAG10:29
crashanddiein the US, aviation navigation frequencies10:29
ZogG_wwant to talk to me10:29
DocScrutinizeractually TV, taxi/other, Police 2m band...10:29
DocScrutinizeraviation as well, yes10:30
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DocScrutinizerradio amateur10:30
jacekowskiwell, aviation frequencies are about 10mhz higher10:30
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jacekowskiand in between, hmm not much10:30
jacekowskitv is a lot higher10:31
crashanddieTV channel 6 is < 87.9Mhz in the US.10:31
Turtle^^but all these rules are fine, why close the source for them?10:31
Turtle^^in the software to control the frequencies10:32
ZogG_wcrashanddie: hmmmm10:32
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ZogG_wu know to much about US military for the french guy10:32
jacekowskiTurtle^^: close source of what10:33
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crashanddieZogG, well, a/ I'm not french, b/ this is just general knowledge, has nothing to do with military10:34
Turtle^^jacekowski, it was being discussed up there some code that is closed source due to us vs eu rules10:37
crashanddiethat's not at all what I saw.10:37
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crashanddie[09:22:17] <DocScrutinizer> also all access to CAL seems is covered by policy "always closed"10:37
crashanddie[09:24:20] <Turtle^^> whats us vs eu channel 13 thing?10:37
crashanddie[09:24:50] <jonwil> wireless lan rules in different parts of the world10:37
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jacekowskiwell, wireless driver isn't closed10:39
jonwilthe firmware is10:40
jacekowskiand iirc there was some code that detected where you are and based on that enabled disabled channels10:40
jacekowskibut i'm not sure where it got location info10:40
crashanddiethe country you gave it during setup10:40
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lolcatIs it supposed to forgett the date every time I remove the battery?10:41
crashanddieonly if your internal safety battery is dead10:41
crashanddie(usually after a year or so)10:41
lolcatBougth it as a display model...10:42
maraineinthis may be a retarded question, but can i install packages from the fremantle sdk (the ones used by scratchbox) onto my n900?10:42
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: It does look ratehr familiar, yes.10:42
chem|stlolcat: the internal battery seems to hold date and time only for a minute or so10:43
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chem|stmarainein: O_o10:44
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maraineini want libc6-dev, because ruby-dev depends upon it, but libc6-dev it isn't in the extras repository10:45
crashanddiemarainein, sure, but try to ensure you only install a specific package10:46
crashanddiemarainein, don't go around doing a "apt-get update / apt-get upgrade" or something silly like that10:46
maraineindownload && dpkg -i ?10:46
ZogG_wanyway what object of qt creator should be used for text changed by app, for example the name of song of widget? label?10:47
crashanddiemarainein, no, I meant "don't go upgrading all the packages in your N900 using those provided in the SDK repo"10:47
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crashanddiemarainein, if you can just wget/dpkg, go for it, if there are dependencies, try to be cautious...10:47
DocScrutinizerFYI (*all* frequencies :-D)
maraineincrashanddie, ok, i'll see what happens10:48
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ZogG_wkhertan: mon ami10:48
lolcatchem|st: It was out only for 20-30 seconds while I replaced the sim.10:49
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: nice11:12
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DocScrutinizer(MIR probably isn't exactly aviation)11:16
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jonwilThis dialer work is hard11:16
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jonwilI dont think I will ever be able to figure out enough information to let one build a dialer replacement11:16
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: I would not hestitate to bet on you. That work on the recent wikipage is awesome11:18
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: we got working FOSS dialer implementations (though not on maemo yet) to compare what's needed. This will facilitate to figure what those calls are for11:19
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DocScrutinizerit's skype and SIP integration that complicates things quite a bit11:21
jonwilIf all you want to do is to make a GSM phonecall thats possible11:22
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DocScrutinizeryeah, even from commandline ;-D echo ATD55512345 | pnatd11:22
lolcatDoes skype use a lot of bandwith?11:22
jonwilsip is a VoIP protocol11:23
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jonwilThanks to my work, we now know how to send DTMF tones11:24
jonwilIMO the dialer is probably the most complex piece of software on the N90011:25
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ruskie <-- has a lot of dbus stuff11:26
maraineinmy attempt to get ruby-dev installed by installing libc6-dev eventually did work. i can now use gem to install ruby gems11:26
jonwilyep I saw that11:26
DocScrutinizerquite possibly it actually is, yes11:26
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DocScrutinizerwhile it looks so simple, on fist glance. Really not too bad an implementation, if only a few quirks weren't there, or - even better - it'd be FOSS11:28
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ruskie <-- this of course is a tad dated...11:29
DocScrutinizeror at very least had a comprehensive set of hooks and a decent API doc11:29
DocScrutinizers/hooks/hooks & plugin interface/.11:30
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ruskie <-- interesting11:32
DocScrutinizereven barisione which I consider one of the most knowledgeable and talented developers on maemo, had to do nasty hacks to *somehow* implement per-contact-ringtones11:32
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lolcatIs the N900 capable of FM tramsmitting to the 800mhz range?11:38
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SpeedEvilThe FM tranmitter is hardware limited11:40
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: eh?11:41
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DocScrutinizerruskie: yeah, our data privacy and security authorities aren't that bad. Alas they are rather teethless11:46
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: eh? ?11:46
DocScrutinizer[2011-02-28 10:40:38] <SpeedEvil> The FM tranmitter is hardware limited11:46
DocScrutinizerrelates to?11:47
* SpeedEvil misread (09:38:21 AM) lolcat: Is the N900 capable of FM tramsmitting to the 800mhz range?11:47
crashanddieThe antenna probably wouldn't have enough gain to to xmit to the 800Mhz range11:47
crashanddieSo yeah, I'm with SpeedEvil on this one, hardware limited.11:47
DocScrutinizeraah, that's why I missed it :-D11:47
DocScrutinizerignorelists are nice but sometimes equally annoying to the cause they're supposed to cure11:48
SpeedEvilOh - no, I diddn'tr misread it11:48
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: It may actually have more gain11:48
SpeedEvilBut the chip won't do it.11:48
DocScrutinizerFMTX chip can't go 80011:49
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: The tx antenna is horribly limited due to the length being a tiny fraction of the wavelength.11:49
DocScrutinizerbtw who wants 800MHz, wtf is there that could use FM?11:49
DocScrutinizermaybe stereo FM with RDS X-P11:50
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lolcatDocScrutinizer: I have a remote headset that does ~853 I think11:51
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* DocScrutinizer ponders idly about friggin TV remotes still use that clumsy IR so you need to point to the TV set, while smartphones never adopted 433/866 and went straight to BT. The huge class of X10 alike remote controls is a complete commercial fail, and I wonder why11:59
SpeedEvilIt's a patchwork.12:00
SpeedEvilYou can't - generally - take any device and make it work with any other.12:00
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DocScrutinizeryou can't do that with CIR either12:00
dm8tbrI'd just go for a ceiling mounted IR-blaster that is then IP connected :)12:01
ZogG_wruskie: hey12:01
dm8tbrlegacy integration12:01
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: ack, still a botch12:01
ZogG_wruskie: i have a request for you12:02
ruskieZogG_w, looking for me?12:02
dm8tbrthings are increasingly IP connected, so that's the way to go IMHO12:02
DocScrutinizerof course there are custom RCs on 433 that have a RX station to convert to CIR12:02
dm8tbrupnp and all12:02
ruskieupnp is still a joke sadly12:02
dm8tbrI know12:02
ZogG_wruskie: can you please upload xmms2 and all relevant stuff from your repo to extras?12:02
dm8tbrjust tossing some buzz-words :)12:02
crashanddieI'm kinda bored by all the electric-enabled stuff12:02
DocScrutinizerand IP aware RCs are rare, damn rare :-P12:03
crashanddieI've been trying to buy a proper salt and pepper mill, but you can only get electric ones12:03
ruskieZogG_w, not likely to happen since I don't really like extras as such12:03
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: I think that's called a tablet :)12:03
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: lol12:03
crashanddiewho the fuck wants an electric pepper mill?12:03
crashanddieAre people really so fucking lazy they won't turn a knob anymore?12:03
ruskiecrashanddie, people without a pestle and mortar ;)12:04
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: I do not want a frigging tablet, which urges me to look at a screen full of softkeys, to control chan/vol of my TV and home stereo12:04
lolcatcrashanddie: Mine is not electric12:04
alteregocrashanddie: is that retorhorical?12:04
crashanddiealterego, heh12:04
crashanddielolcat, congrats12:04
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: then you are not the target demography, stick to your legacy IR remote ;-p12:04
alteregowow, that was bad spelling, forgive me I've just woken up ;)12:05
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, I bought an iPod touch12:05
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, and an airport express, so that any computer in the house can stream music to the sound system12:05
DocScrutinizerNO!! I want a proper 'legacy" RC with decent rubberbuttons, that doesn't need pointing to TV12:05
crashanddieand the iPod touch to control the macbook / iTunes12:05
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ruskieI'm getting this thing:
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SpeedEvilcrashanddie: Some have physical difficulties with ordinary pepper mills.12:06
crashanddieSpeedEvil, oh come on12:06
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SpeedEvilcrashanddie: Also - profit margin on electric ones is better. Also - ebay.12:06
DocScrutinizerhell, even my car and flat doorlock works with a dongle keypress that doesn't require any pointing. 866MHz12:07
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ZogG_wruskie: why don't you? it's just as i said i work on some client/widget for xmms2 and it would be not nice to release it without xmms2 itself12:08
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crashanddieruskie, I don't see a price12:08
ruskieZogG_w, because I don't like optification and is the main reason I never submited anything to it...12:08
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: you don't want to see that ;-D12:09
ZogG_wruskie: but u do have optified stuff12:09
DocScrutinizerduh, thought you meant the teufelaudio12:09
ruskieZogG_w, only due to the borkedness of the solution sadly :(12:09
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ZogG_wruskie: as well as you understand why we do optify, but u can upload not opt12:10
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crashanddielol SpeedEvil12:10
ZogG_wruskie: anyway if u will bored this week i would love you more if you up already optified package of xmms212:10
crashanddieSpeedEvil, I kinda like this one:
ruskiehmm I should start looking into getting the latest xmms2 setup... that I might be willing to submit to extras12:11
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ZogG_wruskie: hmm i just looked thru your repo, you are mad man, you have so many tasty things and they are optified but u do not want to share =(12:13
ruskieDocScrutinizer, something wrong with the teufelaudio stuff?12:13
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crashanddieI mean, seriously, electric salt and pepper grinders, WITH A FUCKING CHARGING BASE STATION
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DocScrutinizerruskie: friggin expensive?12:13
ruskieZogG_w, I share.. people are free to add my repos12:13
ruskieDocScrutinizer, actually cheap12:13
crashanddieruskie, expensivvvvvvvve12:13
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ruskieDocScrutinizer, see ;)12:13
crashanddieruskie, and quality not as good as you could expect from a self-branded designer12:13
ZogG_wruskie: but if everyone would make separete repo for everything it would be madness and not sparta12:14
crashanddieexcept that B&O is basically Philips hardware with a very nice design12:14
ruskieZogG_w, I don't believe in a centralised distro setup12:14
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crashanddieruskie, we spent *months* trying to get all the bloody repos out of the wild12:14
crashanddieAnd we managed12:14
ruskiecrashanddie, I doubt it... since technically linn and all the other highend ones are the same ;)12:14
crashanddieTrust me, we've all gotten quite experienced at the mind games required to get people to remove their repos :P12:15
crashanddiethe only one we've tolerated was... khertan12:15
RobbieThe1stMind, it'd be nice if we had a couple mirrors of the current one... I remember what happened when it went down :\12:15
ZogG_wruskie: that's why we have extra, extra-dev ,extra-testing and other repos and community, you can talk to MohammadAG and maybe submit some stuff to community or something, as i saw some fixed or newer things u have12:16
ruskiecssu doesn't want stuff outside of core12:16
ruskieunless it requires changes to core12:16
ruskieand I can respect that12:16
ZogG_wcrashanddie: khertan does have his repo too?12:17
ruskieas for mind games feel free to try...12:17
ZogG_wruskie: but u have patched modest wich is in cssu and curl and other system usefull things12:17
ruskieI don't give a crap... I made the packages I did for myself and merley offered them to people that might be interested...12:17
ZogG_wcrashanddie: but he uses extras as well12:17
ZogG_wso let him use his repo as all i need in extras anyway12:18
ZogG_wruskie: but u do like to have good and tasty apps and new stuff right?12:19
ruskiealso I don't plan on maintaining anything I submit to extras12:19
ZogG_wthink if MohammadAG and cssu team would make update but wouldn't make it public12:19
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ZogG_wruskie: u don't have, it's better old app than no app at all =)12:19
ruskieactually iirc extras stuff needs to be maintained...12:20
ruskieby maintained I mean I wouldn't even bother with bugfixing12:20
ZogG_wruskie: so if u once in 3 months update it u can just up it that's all12:20
ruskieI haven't actually updated the xmms2 packages since I created them12:20
ruskieanyway off to get some food12:20
ZogG_wruskie: u see i found you something more interesting than chating here, xmms2 update and upload it to extras12:21
ZogG_wruskie: no wokr is done — no food12:21
crashanddieruskie, I've got a relatively inexpensive setup, maybe 500 quid for the lot? Tannoy R3 Revolution, Cambridge Audio pre-amp and power-amp, a NAD C545 for CDs, and then streaming for everything that's on the computer... Works brilliantly12:21
ZogG_wsudo update xmms2 && sudo upload --extras12:21
lolcatZogG_w: Is zmms2 bether than fmms?12:26
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ZogG_wlolcat: what? xmms2 is not for mms12:28
lolcatThen I guess it isn't...12:29
ZogG_wgonna add ruskie repo12:29
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lolcatruskie has her own repo?12:32
DocScrutinizerhmm, didn't like Tannoy back in 1985. Dunno what they sound like nowadays12:33
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer, Well, I got them for a bargain, so I can't complain12:38
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, they're a bit bass heavy if you don't tune your amp, and dual-wired (so you do need a power amp and cables that can handle them)12:39
ruskiecrashanddie, I just need something to plug into the existing hi-fi... and it needs to be self hosting... i.e. no external pcs or something to stream to... so this raumfeld is good... I could go for a philips np2500 for ~140 eur to do more or less the same things(one of the things is usb ...12:39
crashanddieAlso, I filled mine with sand, so they anchor properly into the ground, however I'm lucky to be on ground floor12:39
ruskie... connection with native flac support)...12:39
ruskiebut that raumfeld is imho nicer than a philips thing12:39
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ruskielolcat, has his own repo... yes12:39
viszis hostmode-easy-now the way to get usb otg for n900?12:39
lolcatruskie: I thougth ruskie was a girlsname, sorry12:40
SpeedEvilvisz: no.12:40
crashanddielolcat, a girl in #maemo?12:40
SpeedEvilvisz: The n900 cannot do OTG12:40
crashanddieruskie, oh definitely, go for it if you like it, just be aware that you might get stuck in vendor lock-in...12:40
ruskielolcat, actually it means russian in a few languages... and no I'm not...12:41
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: well, what you call bass heavy is what I call missing transparency and locatability of treble12:41
viszmm really?12:41
viszi thought that was resolved ages ago12:41
ruskiecrashanddie, it actually supports upnp so no real locking12:41
crashanddieUPnP doesn't take care of codecs ;)12:41
ruskiecrashanddie, and they are actually working on brining full upnp to all their streaming devices12:41
lolcatruskie: A girl I knew had a dog that I assumed was female that was named ruskie... She liked to go to russia and looked a bit russian...12:41
SpeedEvilvisz: It is incapable of doing OTG in hardware. Tehre are missing components. This is completely seperate to USB hostmode.12:41
ruskiecrashanddie, it supports flac and ogg ;)12:41
viszor is usb otg and usb host mode different?12:41
ruskiecrashanddie, it's enough for my needs... 99% of my music is either flac or ogg... the few mp3s I have I don't actually worry about being able to play since they tend to play on everything12:42
ruskiemost of my music is also ripped from cds I actually own...12:42
crashanddiemost of my music is streamed from Spotify :)12:43
ruskieahh vendor lockin ;)12:43
lolcatcrashanddie: But how do you do offline mode?12:43
crashanddielolcat, eh?12:43
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: please repeat your metaphor about how hostmode relates to OTG :-D12:43
crashanddieruskie, good point :D12:43
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lolcatcrashanddie: On the N900. If you need internet somewhere else12:43
crashanddiedude, the n900 is shit, I'm just in this channel for the people and conversations12:44
crashanddieI don't use the N900 anymore12:44
* lolcat N900es crashanddie (like stoning, except you throw N900'eds)12:44
crashanddiewell, with all the bricked devices out there, that might not be inappropriate...12:45
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DocScrutinizervisz: OTG is mostly a marketing term, you usually want hostmode, not OTG12:45
ruskiecrashanddie, really bricked where???12:45
viszright on12:45
viszgot some new phones to the office today12:46
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visze7 ships with usb-host mode cable so i'm testing it out12:46
crashanddie"Newsflash, Nokia CEO Stephen Elop has been found drowned in one of Finland's main rivers, in what appears to be a terror act from disgruntled customers. He had been tied with USB cables and put in a bag, weighted down by what can only be described by hundreds of Nokia phones (N900, N810, N800 and N770)."12:47
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crashanddie("N770" written with an N on purpose)12:47
DocScrutinizervisz: if that cable actually fits to N900, then you can use it with h-e-n12:47
viszif i get hen up and running that is12:47
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DocScrutinizervisz: h-e-n usually "just works"12:48
viszthe page seems rather cryptic though12:49
ruskiecrashanddie, that would require people to actually hate those devices... ;)12:49
DocScrutinizerinstall powerkernel, install h-e-n, done12:49
ruskiecrashanddie, frankly I don't think many people do hate them...12:49
crashanddieruskie, frankly, it would be an honour to sacrifice my N900 to kill Elop.12:49
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lolcatcrashanddie: More likley we kill Elop and keep our devices12:49
* DocScrutinizer suggests simple well targeted throwing12:50
crashanddieI'm waiting for the iPad 2 :)12:50
* crashanddie hides12:50
keriocrashanddie: you can hide but you can't escape from the reality distortion field12:51
DocScrutinizerthe iPad2 probably has no superior properties when used as a rock to throw at elop's head :-)12:51
* ruskie has so far resisted any urges on getting an apple device12:51
ruskiebut then... I don't have any urges12:51
lolcatThe only apple device I could use would be a laptop12:52
ruskiemy tablet of choice is still an always innovating touchbook...12:52
lolcatWithout iOS12:52
ruskiewhich I still don't actually have :(12:52
keriololcat: i have a macbook pro 17"12:52
kerioit's awesome12:52
DocScrutinizerI still don't need a tablet12:52
viszoh i see, the packet is in the repository =)12:52
lolcatkerio: Dell Latitude D630, best laptop ever. Easy to take apart, never overheats. And everything except the hdd can take some beating12:53
ruskieDocScrutinizer, well the touchbook is a netbook+tablet in one ;)12:53
DocScrutinizerwouldn't mind to use a MBP or a nice Pana toughbook12:53
ZogG_wwhat is the fastest way to compile program for maemo =)12:53
ruskieand arm based12:53
tybolltlolcat: We'll kill Elop and then we'll ELOPE....12:53
ruskiewith usb ports internally to hook up things12:53
keriololcat: it fell like a meter and a half12:53
tybolltmind, pun was highly intentional12:53
DocScrutinizervisz: indeed it is12:53
kerioit has a dent in the chassis - everything else works great12:53
lolcattybollt: hehe12:54
DocScrutinizerelopers, elopers, elopers12:54
lolcatkerio: I broke 4 harddrives in this laptop12:54
lolcatNow I've given up! I use a 16gb usb stick12:55
tybolltwonder what's going to happen to the whole tech-geek-OMGITSSOSHINYPINKPONIES!111-hemisphere when old man Jobs drops off because of cancer12:55
keriololcat: ...and that's a good laptop according to you? :|12:55
ShadowJKThe laptop is too much metal :) needs more deformable material to absorb impact energy instead of transfering it to harddrive :P12:55
kerioShadowJK: no, he's talking about a dell latitude12:55
kerioi assume it's made of mostly plastic12:55
tybolltsjk: We'll just embed $new_laptop into a bunch of Wellingotn's then?12:55
lolcatkerio: The harddrives sucks, but those have been diffrent brands. If I get an SSD that'll fix it12:56
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: panasonic toughbook12:56
crashanddieI wonder how Jobs will go down in history12:56
tybolltcrashanddie: very reasonable question... I do as well.12:56
crashanddieI mean, most people still believe Bill Gates still runs Microsoft12:56
keriololcat: my laptop has a motion sensor that parks the hd in case of sudden motion12:57
crashanddieBut once Jobs is gone, what then?12:57
ruskiecrashanddie, well he does...12:57
crashanddieAre there any company CEOs that got basically as popular as presidential candidates?12:57
tybolltcrashie: W/ jobs it's not so much that he runs APPLE as it is he "runs" the masses, the hords, the legions that is the mac-fanbois12:57
crashanddieI guess Henry Ford could be considered one12:57
Veggentybollt: I see the transformation that happens when people get their first iThingy, and notice the willingess too forgive everything, because it's "soooo shiny"...that I'm not sure wheter or not Jobs have discovered mind control rays ;)12:58
crashanddieBut seriously, other than Ford, is there any name that pops in your mind when you think of "Famous CEOs"?12:58
ruskiecrashanddie, Gates?12:58
keriocrashanddie: elop!12:58
crashanddieRatner? Whoshe?12:59
kerioit takes balls to destroy a multinational corporation with billions12:59
alteregoYeah, Gates ..12:59
crashanddieOk, so we have... 3 in total?12:59
SpeedEvilRichard Branston12:59
ruskieow yeah... branson...13:00
kerioSpeedEvil: epic13:00
alteregoSpeedEvil: you mean branson? :P13:00
tybolltthat lunatic13:00
SpeedEviltybollt: Virgin13:00
tybolltSE: I know13:00
tybolltstill a lunatic :)13:00
DocScrutinizerthat russian guy CEO of oil company that's doing time, golodkovski or sth13:00
ruskietybollt, but a successful one ;)13:00
tybolltDocScrutinizer: chodorovskij13:00
DocScrutinizerand of course shuttleunworth13:00
SpeedEvilI'm sorry - I have a lot of respect for branson. (nsfw)
tybolltI'd say Ellison if any... Branson is ... Iono doubt all that many know the poor sod13:00
alteregoDarl McBride13:01
alteregoAlan Sugar?13:01
ruskietybollt, well the question was famous ceos... frankly... ellison doesn't pop in...13:02
alteregoJohn Chambers13:02
SpeedEvilSugar isn't really very famous anymore apart from the TV appearances.13:02
alteregoI'm reading my hit list btw :P13:02
DocScrutinizerpenthouse, playboy CEOs - sorry I'm really bad with names13:02
DocScrutinizerhugh heffner or sth like that13:03
kerioyeah, hefner13:03
alteregoSteve Balmer13:04
alteregoHoward Hughes13:04
DocScrutinizerand then that absolutely nuts guy who worked with CIA and recovered the russian submarine13:04
ruskiewell that's the microsoft motto... developers developers developers...13:04
crashanddieThat's Reiser's wet dream in prison.13:05
ruskieyes... m$ wants the whole world to develop on their systems...13:05
ruskiethey don't care about users... just devs...13:05
ruskieusers will follow devs13:05
ruskieit's an interesting strategy13:05
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JaffaGates, Jobs, Branson, Ford are probably the mainstream ones. Ellison, McBride, Schwartz/McNealy, Schmidt might be more available in tech circles.13:05
crashanddie"Users will follow devs?"13:05
crashanddieQuite frankly, it's the other way around13:06
SpeedEvilElon Musk.13:06
Jaffacrashanddie: It's a virtuous circle.13:06
SpeedEvil(thoughI suppose most will know him of paypal)13:06
Jaffacrashanddie: Devs follow users, but users follow devs.13:06
SpeedEvilAlso - the facebook guy.13:06
crashanddieDevs are more likely to go where there is money to be made13:06
keriosteve elop-ers steve elop-ers steve elop-ers steve elop-ers13:06
ruskieif there is no devs for a platform but there are users it doesn't mean there will be devs automatically13:06
crashanddieAnd users are more likely to go to where the fun/price ratio gives them an apparent good value for money13:07
ShadowJKIsn't it impressive, it took Steve Jobs and Bill Gates years of hard work to piss off users, Elop did it overnight :P13:07
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crashanddieenough chit-chat13:08
viszthe e7 opr x3-02 micro-usb connector is somehow different than n900's13:08
ShadowJKOh I guess Darl McBride did that too :)13:08
crashanddieI've got an RPM autobuilder to set up13:08
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Mece'ello o/13:08
DocScrutinizerhoward hughes, damn that took some time to dig out that CEO - and still I wonder if he's actually been CEO and of which company :-P13:09
ShadowJKdidn't he construct the spruce goose :P13:10
DocScrutinizeryeah I think so13:10
DocScrutinizerfor sure he built the glomar explorer13:10
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Mecewhat's the amiga emulator called again? uae something?13:12
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Meceuae4all or uae ?13:13
Meceuae4all sounds like smoku13:13
ShadowJKstart typing uae in app manager13:14
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Mecei did. found uae and uae4all as I stated13:14
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Meceuae4all it is.13:15
Mecei compiled standard uae ages ago but dungeonmaster was so slow it was unplayable.13:15
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DocScrutinizernever heard of uae4all13:18
Meceit's maemo specific13:18
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DocScrutinizerMece: I'm astonished nobody seems has tried to use uae4all with h-e-n, for mouse/joystick support13:45
Meceuae changed my keyboard layout.13:46
Mecehow do i change it back?13:46
Mecei don't think i've ever changed it before hehe13:47
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DocScrutinizerthe commonly used way is via settings - imput13:48
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DocScrutinizerbut I doubt use changed that setting to mess around with keymap13:49
MeceDocScrutinizer, hehe found it, thanks13:49
DocScrutinizers/ use / uae /.13:49
pupnikDocScrutinizer: got the eq'd version compiled?13:49
DocScrutinizernah, not even tried13:49
pupnikthe bands are varying freq, in mp3 but fixed freq in mp213:50
DocScrutinizerduh, what?13:51
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pupnik  hmm leme find13:53
DocScrutinizerI already started wondering what freq the bands 0..31 are assigned to13:54
pupnikMP2 is a sub-band audio encoder, which means that compression takes place in the time domain with a low-delay filter bank producing 32 frequency domain components.13:54
pupnikbut i think it's a coincidence13:54
pupniknot sure13:55
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pupnik  "War Made Easy" Trailer ...14:02
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* SpeedEvil listens to lots of mp2 content.14:29
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Venemoalterego: ping15:19
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Khertan1Hi !15:19
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Khertan1About the cssu did there is a git repository for submitting merge for Qt 4.7 ?15:20
Khertan1i va a bug to fix in it :)15:20
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VenemoKhertan1: ping MohammadAG or Jaffa about CSSU matters on #maemo-ssu15:20
Khertan1ah thx15:21
divanHave someone tried Flash 10 .so binary on N900?15:21
SpeedEvilThe leaked flash 10 reportedly has no accelleration15:22
SpeedEvilSo performance is going to be poor at best.15:22
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divanYoutube broken for me with it. Other flash apps seems to work nice with less CPU usage.15:22
Khertan1Have you written a patch for Maemo? Raise a bug and let's get it in the CSSU.15:22
Khertan1hum ... strange idea ...15:22
divanYeah, youtube player eats CPU as before, but I can't click anything on it's area.15:23
divanNo fullscreen, rewind, etc. It simply reopens current page.15:23
divanCan anyone confirm?15:23
divanHere is the link on 10.1 binary.
divanVersion is
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JaffaKhertan1: Why's that a strange idea? Or are you referring to the wording?15:33
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Khertan1Jaffa: because it s upstream part :)15:33
JaffaKhertan1: Well "Maemo" means the "Maemo stack". Feel free to edit (it's a wiki!) to clarify the wording.15:34
JaffaKhertan1: It would seem unlikely for the CSSU to include fixes for bugs which weren't evident on Maemo ;-)15:34
Khertan1Jaffa: indeed15:34
VenemoI think achipa should be brought in with this15:37
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jonwilBack to trying to reverse engineer the dialer15:42
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* jonwil wishes there was a way he could pull packages15:45
* jonwil wishes there was a way he could pull packages (including changelogs) for things not in the SDK repos15:45
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achipaVenemo: wuzzat ?16:10
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Venemoachipa: see scrollback, Khertan1 has a bugfix for Qt16:14
Venemoachipa: we discussed whether or not it can be somehow included in CSSU16:14
Khertan1i m here16:16
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* Khertan1 is still downloading the qt-x11-maemo git repository ...16:17
Venemoachipa: we were also talking about whether the fix could be directly included in upstream Qt16:18
Khertan1achipa: the bug report is here : but the fix still not included upstream16:18
achipatrying to open (proxy hell)16:18
Khertan1but you aren't working for nokia ? :)16:19
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achipaexactly - that only makes it more difficult :P16:20
Khertan1connecting people ... ... ... :)16:21
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achipapeople... nobody said anything about computers or bugs :)16:22
jacekowskii have pest here16:24
jacekowskimice to be precise16:24
RST38hThe fat big headed one or the thin pinky one?16:25
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jacekowskii've just seen shit all around16:26
jacekowskibut now i'm prepared for full warfare16:26
jacekowskii have chemical weapns16:26
jacekowskimouse traps16:27
jacekowskirat traps16:27
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RST38htry nuclear, nuclear is good16:27
RST38h+ you will easily find their glow-in-the-dark corpses16:27
Khertan1jacekowski: a cat is enough ... now every day i ve two or three mouse near the door of my house...16:28
Khertan1of course some part are missing ...16:28
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achipaKhertan1:  have you tried poking harryF on #qt-maemo ?16:28
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jacekowskiKhertan1: well, there was cat running around here16:29
jacekowskiKhertan1: and couple days later problem started16:29
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Khertan1but it s also helpfull for killing mole, hare, magpie, and all the birds that wake me in the morning 16:30
Khertan1jacekowski: i ve two cats :)16:30
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Khertan1which are making cleaning 1km arround :)16:30
Khertan1achipa: nope16:31
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achipaKhertan1: that would be a good starting point, then :)16:32
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Khertan1achipa: maybe but for saying what ... seems not to be the priority16:36
JaffaVenemo: See email on maemo-developers regarding Qt fixes in CSSU16:36
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chem|stparrot AR-drones are in the stores... anyone had a look at the sources yet?16:43
RST38hToo expensive, hasn't got any laser weapons on it, why bother?16:44
RST38hKhertan: Are you getting the bigger, tastier parts though?16:44
chem|stRST38h: for a proper selfmade without cameras you easily pay four times the price16:45
RST38hKhertan: Because if you are not, the cat does not respect you! =)16:45
RST38hchem|st: Yes, but what are you going to use it for?16:48
cos^chem|st: yep.. the sources are quite awful code but luckily in mardrone most problems have been solved16:48
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Khertan1RST38h: my cats eat the mouse but let me hare intact.16:49
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Khertan1indeed ... :)16:50
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Khertan1RST38h: It also provides excellent protection to avoid having cherries pecked by birds16:51
pupnikparrot needs a non-flat surface to fly over (for image based stabilization)16:51
ArkenoiOh shit. For every gmail jabber contact a fake "email" record is created. If you just delete it (as there is no email on that address, xmpp only), stupid gtalk drops authorization/presence subscription.16:52
cos^pupnik: no it doesn't. works fine in office environment.16:52
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pupnikdoesn't maintain stable on a flat-color floor16:52
pupnikalso will smash into ceiling if you fly it over furniture/tables16:52
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pupnikneeds more than one ultrasonic sensor to prevent that16:53
cos^our office has gray mat with some texture, and it keeps position pretty well16:53
Arkenoidamn sucks, there is no real connection between two!16:53
pupnikit's a great product for the price16:53
cos^pupnik: do you have one?16:53
pupnikno, i am involved with the homebrew community16:53
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Khertan1pupnik: but a bit expensive for a cat toys16:54
cos^ok. it does not smash into ceiling if it flies over furniture or tables16:54
pupnikthe version i saw did16:54
cos^i believe it notices that altitude changes rapidly and tries to keep the new altitude16:54
pupnikah firmware tweaks16:54
cos^if you put hand under it and lift it slowly, it will rise up16:54
cos^yep, could be firmware fixes16:55
pupnikplus it has a linux client i think16:55
pupnikhow is the camera for you?16:55
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cos^image is "ok" but laggy.. it's not possible to fly it using video feed only16:56
pupnikKhertan1: if you try to build the same thing yourself you'll spend 5x as much16:56
cos^i have tested only using maemo and desktop linux clients, not the official iphone16:56
pupnikmaemo client??16:57
cos^ardrone is a competition theme in next meego summit, so you can expect some new maemo/meego apps for it16:58
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chem|stcos^: so meego devel is in progress17:00
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chem|stpupnik: actually the platform is only 120eur, without motors/rotors and stuff17:02
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pupniksomeone with real talent might be able to make a quadcopter fly with only a n90017:05
pupniko/ cool17:13
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MorvanHello again, to install the rootfs partition in the internal MMC card, you have an idea as  argument to put in flasher-3.5 --rootfs = ...?17:17
chem|stpupnik: tape it to the drone and let it fly via waypoints...17:17
kerioisn't the ar drone overpriced?17:17
chem|stkerio: 299eur?!17:18
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pupnikyou can try to build a similar drone and you will spend much more17:19
kerioyeah but i distinctly remember DocScrutinizer or SpeedEvil saying that as far as quadricopters go, the ar drone isn't that good17:20
cos^pupnik: the stability requires really fast controlling, so afaik it wouldn't be possible17:20
pupnikcos^: yeah - well how about a 2-meter quadcopter :)17:21
cos^there are no alternatives to ardrone in sama price range17:21
pupnikwith positive dihedral for stability17:21
chem|stif you do not buy parrot parts you spend at least 500eur just for parts, and you do not have a PIB yet and no embedded linux to play with...17:21
cos^even standard rc speed controllers are too slow for quadcopters17:21
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pupnikthey made vtol without controllers in the 60s :D17:22
DocScrutinizercos^: wut? 600MHz arm A8 too slow to stabilize a drone? :-P17:22
chem|stcos^: yeah controllers are 200eur+17:22
pupnikfor a small drone, the sensors probably are DocScrutinizer17:23
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DocScrutinizerwhich sensors?17:23
cos^you need to interface the acceleration sensors and 4 motor controllers somehow17:23
DocScrutinizerthe 400Hz sampling LIS302?17:23
cos^and if that "somehow" is usb, it will be too slow17:23
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cos^in any case you would need quite a lot external hardware17:24
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chem|steven bluetooth is fast enough at 1MB/s17:24
cos^it's not about bandwidth, it's about response time17:24
chem|stremember apollo12 with 286 12.4 MHz...17:25
DocScrutinizerso tell me: where's that gigantic lag coming from that you seem to suppose is in USB?17:25
cos^chem|st: and a lot of analog computer power17:25
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pupnik   here's a decent prebuilt17:26
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DocScrutinizercos^: sorry, that's just funny, and we got Monday, not Friday. What do you think they are using in ardrone? A Cray?17:27
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cos^DocScrutinizer: standard usb servo controllers use 30-50Hz update rate, which is way too little for controlling quadcopter motors17:28
DocScrutinizerwtf, who's talking about standard USB controllers?17:29
cos^you would need and external hardware which could feed the controllers using i2c at 300-400hz and read the accelerometers17:29
DocScrutinizer(while I dare to question above statement, I can't see why they would restrict their electronics to such low rates)17:29
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cos^DocScrutinizer: i wouldn't call it "controlling with n900" if there is some advanced custom usb hardware17:30
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pupnikright cos^17:30
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: std serial stuff RS232 goes at 4Hz...17:30
DocScrutinizerread the accelerometers??? WTF? we got a LIS302 on board of N90017:30
DocScrutinizerUSB audio cards do realtime17:31
DocScrutinizerso why can't I control a motor with same rate17:31
cos^you need to have the feedback loop from accelerometers to speed controllers at 400hz realtime17:31
DocScrutinizerso wjhat?17:32
lardmancos^: you need 400Hz update rate?17:32
DocScrutinizerchem|st: err wut?17:32
lardmanthis is for the control loop? Or just to be able to generate the pcm signals?17:32
cos^LIS302 seems to have SPI aka serial port interface, i doubt it can run at high rate enough17:32
chem|stdigital multimeters are all limited to 4Hz, drives me crazy atm17:33
DocScrutinizerlardman: nonsense, he thinks he needs that, just because the original hw can do it17:33
pupnikthe control loop17:33
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pupnikthey want higher rates for better stability17:33
DocScrutinizerlardman: not even the motor controller itself is working with a PWM freq much higher than 400Hz17:34
cos^at lower rates the flight is not stable17:34
lardmandocscrutinizer: quite, I was going to say that afaiu even control loops for modern flighters don't run at that rate17:34
DocScrutinizercos^: then your control algo is shit17:34
lardmanor your hw must be very very unstable17:34
cos^that's why diy quadcopters have rc speed controllers modified to use i2c which allows faster control rates17:34
pupnikhere's a modern board
pupniki'd be more interested in that than the mikrokopter guys stuff17:35
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DocScrutinizerdamn, would anybody care to tell me where from a USB lag is supposed to come from?17:36
DocScrutinizerI mean, USB2.0 is 480MEGA not 400kilo17:36
cos^from operating system, application, etc17:36
lardmanyeah but there is no hard minimum repsonse time17:37
lardmanI don't think17:37
cos^bandwidth != response rate17:37
pupnikit would be a fun project DocScrutinizer17:37
lardmanotoh it's probably fast enough anyway, the response17:37
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pupniki dunno... :D17:37
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DocScrutinizerwhat? to prove USB has a setup time of <10uS and a RTT same maginitude?17:38
lardmanhmm, that board generates the pwm signals itself17:38
DocScrutinizeryeah, I thought as much :-P17:38
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pupnikbesides you need gyro + accelerometer17:40
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DocScrutinizerI know17:41
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lardmanpupnik: the system response is not going to be overly quick, so no real need to read those too fast17:41
DocScrutinizerthe system frequency of such a quad is max, max max 50Hz17:42
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DocScrutinizerand that'll probably make the thing explode17:42
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jatthow is Elop doing?17:42
DocScrutinizeraka desintegrate into pieces that fly away all directions17:42
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DocScrutinizerso a PID regulator system doesn't need any faster rsponse time than that17:43
cos^there's a quite good explanation in the end of this page
cos^"In a RC plane this is done at a rate of 50Hz. For multikopters the throttle has to be updated much more frequently to compensate for slight imbalances in thrust, rpms, effect of wind and turbulence, etc. At minimum the rate should be about 200Hz, preferably even faster, around 400Hz."17:44
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cos^and the updates have to come at the same rate from gyro and other sensors, otherwise it wouldn't make sense17:44
DocScrutinizerduh, not goinf to read that. All my hw projects so far worked with the lil bit of physics and EE knowledge I gathered during education17:44
lardmanBit of a waste speccing up a processor to do the PWM stuff though I'd have thought17:44
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DocScrutinizercos^: this is utter BS17:45
cos^DocScrutinizer: can you find (or make) a quadcopter project that doesn't need fast rate?17:46
lardmanI'd be interested to see some Nyquist diagrams to justify that sort of frequency repsonse requirement17:46
cos^i haven't made my own yet, so i know only what i've found from google17:46
SpeedEvilcos^: Basically bullshit.17:46
DocScrutinizercos^: I made dozens of other regulated systems in my life. A quad isn't anything different17:47
SpeedEvilcos^: The rotors take a large fraction of a second to respond to throttle commands.17:47
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: what I tell all the time, the max freq seen in such a system is 50Hz, mechanically17:48
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DocScrutinizeryou need no regulation that's way faster than the mechanics itself17:48
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cos^DocScrutinizer: actually that's what i thought first before studying how people make diy quadcopters17:49
DocScrutinizerI.E. (for the less physical affine reader) such a quad can not change orientation more than 0.1° in 1/50s17:49
cos^none of the projects i've found uses standard pwm controllers17:50
DocScrutinizer...out of a sudden17:50
DocScrutinizerthe acceleration would tear it apart otherwise17:50
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DocScrutinizerthe motors will integrate controler changes - due to shere mass of rotors - so any control faster than 50 new speeds / s are simply lost in an average17:52
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DocScrutinizerhell, at 400Hz sampling rate the accelerometers will even catch up the noise from rotors and not much else17:53
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DocScrutinizeryou don't want to feed your PID regulator with noise usually -for sure it won't help anything17:54
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lardmancos^: you may find that they don't use normal speed controllers to avoid the extra mass17:56
DocScrutinizerAND EVEN THEN... I am going to watch DVB-T video via the same USB that's doing all that allegedly needed reading and writing @ 400Hz in realtime17:56
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pupnikDocScrutinizer: you enjoy speaking on subjects you have no experience in.  Typical programmer hubris :)17:58
cos^lardman: there are commercial controllers, afaik used mostly for helicopters that can be used.17:58
DocScrutinizerergo: N900 is *perfectly* capable of controlling a drone17:58
cos^"The ESC is chosen with three factors: ability to deliver enough power to the motors (watch for lipo cell counts/voltage and current), its control interface (Arduino can do both PWM and I2C; PWM ESCs are everywhere, I2C ESCs are pricy) and its update rate (the faster you can update the RPMs, the better you can control your rig)."17:58
DocScrutinizerpupnik: uhuh17:58
DocScrutinizerthat's why I call myself EE17:58
DocScrutinizerI'm no programmer17:59
DocScrutinizercos^: what makes you think cos it's written there it is any credible?17:59
lardmancos^: yeah faster up to a limit, so 1Hz is probably insufficient, unless your rig is very stable, etc.17:59
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divanWhy preenv launches games via dbus call? Why not directly from .desktop (which has Exec line as well)?18:00
cos^DocScrutinizer: because i haven't found anyone saying that cheap standard pwm esc is sufficient, use them18:00
cos^everyone says you need fast rate or your quadcopter will be unstable18:01
lardmanyeah, but you need to define fast18:01
pupnikeveryone who actually designs them, that is18:01
DocScrutinizerI'm building my controllers myself, got it?18:01
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lardmanI'd guess 10Hz is probably more than enough18:02
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cos^lardman: 400hz is often mentioned18:02
DocScrutinizerso I give a flying F* about standard and cheap and I2C and nonsense written in a paper by a marketing droid18:02
lardmanas the update rate? As already explained that is far too fast18:02
lardmancos^: as the pwm driving rate, that might be better, as it is some factor of the actual control rate18:03
cos^i don't think being as fast as possible does harm18:03
DocScrutinizerlardman: mever mind. He's trying to convince us we're idiots as we haven't read that page which holds the absolute truth about physics and electronics18:03
DocScrutinizeryes it does, when you got to MHz18:04
lardmancos^: well yes, but you pay for the faster control of course18:04
lardmanhw costs, battery life, etc18:04
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cos^DocScrutinizer: i just think people on quadcopter forums are more credible18:05
DocScrutinizerther's no such thing like faster control on a motor that needs 0.05s to spin up to nominal speed18:05
lardmancos^: you should ask the questions about motor+rotor response times, etc18:06
cos^i'd like to quote one more page and then go home
DocScrutinizernot to all I've seen. Model scene are noobs mostly all of them, with no real clue about physics or EE18:06
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cos^"2. Our tests indicate that while a quadcopter could fly marginally with standard 50hz PWM, it's simply not possible to achieve a HIGH level of stability with this."18:06
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lardmancos^: interesting, though that also depends on the pid loops18:06
lardmanit would be good to see the control system analysis and diagrams18:07
DocScrutinizeryeah, now please go home. We got enough quotes of BS today18:07
SpeedEvil50Hz PWM does not mean that the ESC will respond at 50Hz18:07
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: forget it, we need to start a 5 day seminar to explain the basics18:07
* lardman looks for a book on aircraft control system design, hang on a tick cos^ 18:08
lardmanAircraft control and simulation, Stevens, Brian L., 1939- , is quite interesting18:08
lardmanalso includes heli design afair18:09
DocScrutinizerof course the PWM freq will be at some hundered or even 1000s of Hz, That doesn't mean a individual control of of each 0.5mS on-pulse length is needed18:09
cos^lardman: i think a book about helicopter control system design would be more close, although helicopters have hardware stabilization18:09
cos^on quadcopters all stabilization is artificial18:09
SpeedEvilHelicopter design has almost no relation.18:09
lolcatWhat is this discussion?18:09
SpeedEvilThey vary the rotor thrust by varying the rotor pitch, not the rotor RPM.18:09
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jacekowskithey vary rpm as well18:10
DocScrutinizerMEH!!!!! how annoying18:10
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DocScrutinizershould've left for a nice walk in the sun just befora all this18:10
lardmanSpeedEvil: control loop design is pretty generic18:11
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: you can controll motor faster18:11
DocScrutinizeryou bet it is. and upper freq in control loop has NOTHING to do with PWM freq18:11
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: as in, supply it with a lot higher voltage for 0.01s18:11
lardmanSpeedEvil: indeed, I'm not saying it's the same by any means, but the requirements of tuning your control system hold true18:11
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: high enough to spin it up faster but not high enough to damage insulation18:12
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: that's how a lot of control systems based on PID work18:12
jacekowskiovershoot and then stabilize18:12
cos^the real rate of the control loop is the rate of slowest component it naturally18:12
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I'm aware of the function principles and design principles of a PID regulator18:13
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cos^and (as i've read on the internet) on quadcopters it's important to have fast rate. and the rate used in most projects is 400hz. can i go home now? :-)18:14
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: still no need to control the motor on a 0.0025s resolution18:14
lardmanas long as you find out why they need such a high rate18:14
lardmanand report back18:15
lardman lol @ post 17, from a sales bod18:15
lardmanI'd immediately ignore that post I've got to say18:15
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DocScrutinizerI'd prefer he doesn't report back, mixing up sample freq with RTT and PWM freq18:16
cos^ok, it could be a conspiracy made by salesmen and the required rate is much less.. it's the internet18:16
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: in some cases you have to18:17
DocScrutinizerit's mere ignorance, on all involved parties18:17
lardmancos^: See if you can actually find any justification for the high rates, etc., then you can make an informed decision18:17
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: but hmm, not at 0.002518:18
jacekowskibut 0.01 is still reasonable18:18
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cos^lardman: i haven't found anything more scientific than "it's more stable that way", maybe there's some research pdf i haven't found yet18:18
lardmancos^: well this is the problem with people just building stuff18:19
DocScrutinizersure, and the initial proposition been "USB is too slow for that"18:19
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lardmancos^: I'd see what the costs are, and try something cheaper and slower first18:19
jacekowskiusb has poll time of like 1kHz18:19
jacekowskifor HID devices18:19
jacekowskibut you can do faster18:19
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DocScrutinizeranf any setup time doesn't exist18:20
DocScrutinizerat least no relevant one for this case18:20
jacekowskibut i still wouldn't use usb18:20
lardmancos^: also get one of the books about flight control systems, see what they use for their loop frequencies, which are pretty low, do some research on the response of the motor+rotor combos, which will tell you what update rate you need for those, etc18:20
jacekowskibecause it's unreliable18:20
jacekowskiand connectors are shit18:20
chem|stjacekowski: serial port...18:20
DocScrutinizerI would, if I were going to control such a thing by a N90018:21
jacekowskiserial ftw18:21
jacekowskii would use wifi18:21
lardmancos^: when I say get, I mean borrow from a library, as they are very expensive, otoh there's enough online about that anyway18:21
chem|stwhat I am curious'bout is to guide-by-wifi-signal18:22
lardmanchem|st: guidance or all control?18:22
DocScrutinizerlardman: Proportional-integral-differential controlles - basics and real life setup18:22
chem|stelab. to triangulate'ish positioning with signal strength of known APs18:23
chem|stlardman: self-controlled18:23
lardmanchem|st: ok18:23
chem|stlike a patrol-qcopter based on wifi networks all over the city/town18:23
SpeedEvilI want something that flies off to a deserted pylon somewhere, clips on, charges 1Kwh of electricity, flies back, and runs my house for an hour or two.18:24
* lardman is looking at control abstraction to allow control failure and retain generic flight modes18:24
lardmannot for a quad copter though18:24
DocScrutinizerdrone hive18:24
chem|stSpeedEvil: teslas powerOTA would be easier18:24
chem|stDocScrutinizer: sure18:24
chem|stfor a watch-my-back drone I would wear a silly coloured hat^^18:25
DocScrutinizer2 months later you got the robopest control ringing your door18:25
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chem|stnot easy to afford but worth the effort^^18:26
DocScrutinizerwonder if they're going to use strong RF or tasers18:27
chem|st2c on tasers!18:27
lardmanlol "So it's a form of charing that uses no wires, but it's not wireless charging. That's a totally different thing."18:28
DocScrutinizeror simply block the door and pack every robodrone at SpeedEvil's attic into a sack18:28
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: That's why they have pop-out sawblades.18:28
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DocScrutinizeryou should send them to next robowars contest18:29
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lardmancu later chaps18:32
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DocScrutinizerflying drone with sawblade would bring fun to that18:53
jacekowskii was thinking about building something like that18:54
jacekowskibut i don't know how to power it18:54
jacekowskibecause 10 minutes of flight is not enough18:54
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jacekowskitoo heavy18:55
DocScrutinizercold fusion18:55
jacekowskieven heavier18:55
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DocScrutinizerheard all you need is a glass of tritium water and two lithium electrodes or somesuch nonsense :-P18:56
jacekowskiwater is heavy18:57
DocScrutinizerextraheavy here XP18:57
DocScrutinizerheavy is deuterium18:57
DocScrutinizertrirum is extraheavy18:57
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jacekowskii have tritium keychain18:58
jacekowskinuclear keychain18:58
DocScrutinizerme too :-D18:58
jacekowskii have 3 of them18:58
DocScrutinizerme too :D18:58
DocScrutinizer>> Please leave us the infarmation: 1) Your Name19:00
DocScrutinizer>> Education it’s important! It’s time for your education!19:00
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keriotritium keychain? :<19:02
BCMMpresumably, a sealed tritium light on a keychain19:03
BCMMyou can use tritium for lights; like radium once was, but much safer19:03
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DocScrutinizer actually19:07
MohammadAGI hate myself19:07
MohammadAGi failed my theoritcal driving test (signs and such) twice, just because i changed the answer at the end19:08
MohammadAG(it was correct before i changed it)19:08
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DocScrutinizertoo much effort. I passed by simply reading the educational papers once, 2 days before test, then just trying to fill in as fast as possible, with no thoughts about passing19:12
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DocScrutinizeriirc I had 2 false, 3 were allowed. Was the first one to leave the test room19:14
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pupnik_Richard Garriot (of Ultima RPGs) spent most of his fortune to visit the International Space Station - "Garriott wanted to go online when he was in the space station, but he found out it would cost $300,000 to send the first byte of information."
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DocScrutinizerplease help me out - where's the user specific part of .desktop files? It looks like there's only systemwide .desktop for desktop/applauncher, in /usr/share/applications/hildon19:26
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DocScrutinizerI have a hard time to believe there's no per-user config for available apps in applauncher19:27
DocScrutinizerto explain a bit: if ever I get to manage proper login for multiple users, then I don't want to have them share one desktop, esp with special settings like x-maemo-preload which has to go to .desktop to start an app on X startup19:29
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: thanks, but still not a per-user thing19:30
DocScrutinizerthat's a per-system thing19:30
MohammadAGbut ~ is your home?19:30
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MohammadAGnp :P19:30
MohammadAGthough i'm not sure how that'd work on maemo, only "user" and "root" exist19:31
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DocScrutinizermissed the ~ - many thanks19:31
MohammadAGh-d runs as user19:31
DocScrutinizeractually also missed the .19:31
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MohammadAGI wouldn't have known about it if there wasn't a bug about it19:32
MohammadAGhildon-home doesn't look in that directory, even in 1.319:32
MohammadAGfixed in CSSU19:32
MohammadAGhildon-desktop works fine though19:32
MohammadAGsince 1.1, javispedro should know19:32
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MohammadAGhey Texrat19:35
TexratMohammadAG my man19:35
Texrathardest working guy in maemo19:35
MohammadAGOthers work harder than I do, I assure you :P19:36
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Texratwell MohammedAG no one can argue with your effectiveness ;)19:40
villagerTexrat: are you sure?19:41
Texratok villager let me change CAN to SHOULD19:41
DocScrutinizershite, ~/.local/share/hildon/*.desktop doesn't work it seems19:41
MohammadAGnot on 1.1 :p19:41
Texrathey DocScrutinizer19:41
MohammadAGget the latest hildon-desktop19:42
DocScrutinizerhey Texrat19:42
thpDocScrutinizer: shouldn't it be ~/.local/share/applications/hildon/*.desktop ?19:43
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MohammadAGthp, doesn't change the fact it's broken on 1.1 (that's what he's on iirc)19:43
DocScrutinizeractually there's still been an icon in applauncher, but the x-maemo-preload=1 failed. Might be unrelated19:44
thp(ideally, without the "hildon/" as well to fdo alignment, but that's another of these bad maemoisms)19:44
villagerTexrat: well, from what I've seen, he does work hard, but he's far from a great software engineer, so it can be argue that he's not as effective as many other maemo devs19:44
thpbug 1303 and bug 381719:45
povbotBug Hildon does not follow standard, ignores ~/.local/share/applications19:45
povbotBug All .desktop files should go to /usr/share/applications/ (deprecate use of /usr/share/applications/hildon/)19:45
Texrathey thp19:45
DocScrutinizerwell, it fails as well in /usr/share/appl*/hildon19:45
thpTexrat: hey19:45
MohammadAGvillager, thanks :p19:45
TexratMohammedAG I give you props for project management skills ;)19:45
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villagerTexrat: that I won't argue with19:47
MohammadAGTexrat, thanks :)19:48
villagermaemo has much use for good project management19:48
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MohammadAGthough I have a school project, so I haven't been very active the last two months19:49
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MohammadAGit's for Maemo/MeeGo/ubuntu19:49
MohammadAGand when Qt Mobility's out, Symbian/Mac/Windows19:50
MohammadAGshould be useful @ uni19:50
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DocScrutinizerMEH! xchat doesn't autostart. Seems I got sth wrong about X-Maemo-Prestarted and X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority19:51
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MohammadAGthat doesn't work for normal bins I think19:52
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MohammadAGonly .launch ones (with maemo-launcher)19:52
DocScrutinizerumm, why?19:52
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Texratvillager sorry for being unclear... project management was what I meant in the firs place ;)19:52
pupnikhi Texrat19:53
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Texrathow are you doing?19:53
MohammadAGTexrat, I guess you were around a lot more before I joined? :)19:53
pupnikyes he was19:53
Texratthe first Nokian!19:53
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pupnika good time was had19:54
MohammadAGyou were a Nokian?19:54
Texratoh yes... sigh19:54
Texratyes MohammedAG.  I was the product engineer on N800 launch19:54
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MohammadAGheh, didn't know that19:54
Texratthose 200 shown at 2007 CES were sent by me :)19:54
Texratyep, I handled factory QA on 770 and N80019:55
MohammadAGI always though maemo was a proprietary java-based OS19:55
MohammadAGnever really read about it, was stuck to symbian19:55
Texratack!  lol19:55
pupniki just bought an E71 and E72 to play with for a while19:55
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MohammadAGand everytime I wanted to start developing on it, I'd give up19:55
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TexratI really like the E7119:55
DocScrutinizer51Texrat: so you got nice new product babies now?19:56
MohammadAGCarbide C++ isn't easy19:56
Texratlol DocScrutinizer51-- at one point I had about 15 or so N800s to hand out19:56
pupnikTexrat: indeed - it does the things you need and it lasts a long time, and it's beautifully built.19:56
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Texratmy kids still have their N800s and use them now and then19:57
DocScrutinizer51Texrat: nah. no N80019:57
DocScrutinizer51NEW babies19:57
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TexratI have not been with Nokia for 2 years :(19:57
DocScrutinizer51K50000 with lazors19:58
slonopotamusokay. anyone knows a good replacement for n900? :) it is almost ok except for battery lifetime and fcking microusb connector19:58
Texratworking a reallyshitty job until I find something better19:58
E0xafter 1.3 the battery lifetime improve a lot19:58
DocScrutinizer51Texrat: :'(19:58
Texratslonopotamus I am about ready to fix the broken microUSB on one of mine ;)19:58
Texratgoing to be a pain, but worth it19:59
slonopotamusTexrat: mine was repaired three times already. next time ETA is 2 months19:59
Texratwell, no warranty on mine19:59
MohammadAGmine never broke19:59
MohammadAGI got rid of the warranty two months after i got it20:00
E0xmine never broke too , almost a year so far20:00
MohammadAGdisassembled a part on it20:00
slonopotamusand don't tell me i'm using it wrong20:00
MohammadAG1 year and 3 months20:00
MohammadAGslonopotamus, we're not good ol' Steve Jobs20:00
DocScrutinizer51slonopotamus: ok. ItMs built wrong for your usage pattern :-)20:01
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slonopotamusDocScrutinizer51: that's why i'm asking about a replacement :)20:01
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DocScrutinizer51alas there's none I know of20:02
slonopotamuson the other hand, my n800 is ~3yo already. and the only degrading part is screen (stylus trails)20:02
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slonopotamuswell, and four broken chargers :) they don't survive a single fall when plugged in n80020:03
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DocScrutinizer-8hmm, this N810 is as old and had frequent reboots until recently20:03
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Texratit's no user's fault whn microUSB breaks20:04
TexratI'm more amazed by the success stories20:04
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MohammadAGI still feel mine will break, someday20:05
Texratfield failure rate now around 18%, and that doesn't count failures that happened after poll entry20:05
Texratthat's a scary number20:05
DocScrutinizer-8I'm still not too afraid, except for mistreatment when device sits on mattres20:06
Texratwhen I was in QA at Nokia, we had < 3% field failure rate on devices20:06
njsfMine took ~1 year to fail20:06
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Texratthat's actually the worst njsf20:07
njsfservice quickly sent a replacement unit20:07
Texratraight around warranty limit20:07
DocScrutinizer-8Texrat: scaty indeed20:07
njsfit was ~1 week under20:07
MohammadAGI'm surprised my screen protector's torn20:07
MohammadAGon the outside my device looks new20:07
njsfI am seriously considering the epoxy hack to secure the connector better20:08
MohammadAGthough the back has a small sliver colour showing20:08
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njsfis that a bad thing under the temps the N900 may get ?20:08
* luke-jr wonders if he even has a warranty20:08
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MohammadAGlooks like scratched paint from the slider mech20:08
luke-jrslonopotamus: HTC Merge looks half-decent20:09
luke-jrslonopotamus: btw, once again, GITHUB SUCKS20:09
slonopotamusluke-jr: android :/20:09
MohammadAGI need to look at MafwPlaylistManager again20:09
luke-jrslonopotamus: I would think you can install Gentoo20:09
MohammadAGit's the only part missing for the mediaplayer rewrite20:09
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njsfI actually was surprised because mine broke on Dec 16, but I had a whole lot of stuff not backed up and rsync over ssh took more than one battery charge so while I got another phone (G2 actually) I started the hunt for an extra battery and external charger... only sent the device at end of Jan, which would be after warranty ended, but since I made the service request on the site which verified warranty all was good20:10
njsfalso took advantage of the 200 off HP is now giving developers20:11
njsfso now I have Maemo, Android and webOS to compare20:11
njsfbeside the ipod touch too20:11
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njsfof all the fluidity on the webOS is the one that pleases me the most20:12
njsftoo bad the screen is just tiny and low res20:12
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njsfand the slide up keyboard puts the pre2 in a top heavy position, really uncomfortable for typing20:13
njsfat least thumb typing20:13
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njsfstill my main phone is the N90020:14
MohammadAGfluidity goes to iOS for me20:14
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njsfI get turned off by the back and done / edit at the top20:15
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DocScrutinizer51ot hard to get smooth anim on a lowres screen20:15
njsfthe gesture zone on the Pre seems more fluid to me20:15
njsfwell I was thinking more of the touch experience, but I see your point20:16
njsfeven though "should" just be a matter of more CPU horsepower20:16
njsfthe cpu on the pre2 is a bit underpowered20:17
javispedroI find that funny to say considering that CPU would have been the one the N9 was rumoured to have =)20:18
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njsfah you're right I confused with the Pre2 cpu20:19
DocScrutinizerOMFG! X-Maemo-Prestarted=always20:20
njsfbut I guess one could say that even that 1ghz ARM is underpowered for all the javascript driven opengl :D20:20
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DocScrutinizerthat's what I call a strange boolean20:20
njsfIt's beyond fuzzy logic LOL20:20
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javispedronjsf: =) (though actually they drive OpenGL either using Qt or SDL, so it's not technically correct)20:21
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njsfSDL I think, but what I meant was that all the UI widgets are mostly driven through JS and HTML rendering20:24
njsfsorry for the inacurate terminology20:24
DocScrutinizerTADAAAAA BINGO20:27
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: it works with xchat as well.20:28
javispedroDocScrutinizer: prestarting xchat?20:28
DocScrutinizerso probably does with arbitrary binaries20:28
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: sure20:28
javispedroI figured that would only work with maemo-launcher binaries?20:29
javispedroI mean -- does it start and show the UI then?20:29
javispedrowell, I guess it covers a usecase =)20:29
MohammadAGso, why do we need maemo-launcher again?20:29
MohammadAGit only ruins starting apps from a shell20:29
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javispedrouse maemo-summoner20:30
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: .launcher binaries never get started directly. they all have a "basename binary" which is a symlink to maemo-launcher20:30
DocScrutinizeror whatever that is called20:30
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: yes, but prestart usually doesn't cause the binary to show UI, and I wondered how that did work.20:30
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MohammadAGjavispedro, maemo-summoner: opening of /usr/bin/image-viewer.launch took 586578 usec20:30
MohammadAGit didn't launch :p20:30
javispedroI think MohammadAG's comments are answering my question.20:31
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I'd guess that's a property of the binary, not of the starting process20:31
DocScrutinizer51well, what can I say... I haven't clicked to startk this xchat after boot20:32
javispedroimage-viewer, etc. when exec() will just wait there for the dbus message I guess.20:32
DocScrutinizer51just prio=5000 takes like 3 min to finally start it20:32
lolcatWhen will we have quad core N-series phones?20:33
javispedroI already have one. I use my single core to emulate a quad core x86 phone =)20:33
lolcatjavispedro: Really?20:33
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MohammadAGQuad Core ARMs aren't out till December or so20:34
MohammadAGtrack Sony's NGP (Next-Gen PSP)20:34
norayrhey people, how to identify n810 wimax edition?20:34
meceoo this someplayer looks shiny!20:34
norayrI have one in my hands and I suspect this one supports wimax20:34
E0xnot all n8100 come with wimax ?20:35
norayrno, mine is not20:35
norayrbut one I hold now20:35
lolcatMohammadAG: Will they be used in phones?20:35
MohammadAGof course, when is something no one knows20:35
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lolcatMohammadAG: Elop knows!20:36
lolcatAll the bloat in Windows Mobile surley needs more hardware :P20:36
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MohammadAGit needs a core to do copy and paste20:37
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norayrI guess I found it
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lolcatHow do I undervolt my phone?20:43
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ruskiejavispedro, hmm that sounds nice21:07
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_0x471Hey, I remember there once was a package which one could add as a build dependency to optify all files > 500k automatically. But I can't find it any more. Anyone knows what I mean?21:25
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lardmananyone had any success using versit + qtm 1.2 to add calendar events?21:26
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_0x471o never mind, just found it21:26
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pupnik"In truth the only way to reduce corruption in high places is to have less high places." - Perry de Haviland21:28
pupnikwhat's it called _0x471 ?21:28
lardmanpupnik: s/less/fewer ?21:29
_0x471pupnik: maemo-optify21:29
_0x471it's a bit different tho21:29
pupniki guess so lardman21:29
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pupnikbtw got mpg123 on n900 but no EQ yet21:30
javispedropupnik: on tmo there's a new gstreamer+pulse based mediaplayer with eq21:30
pupnikjavispedro: yes but that's not why i want eq - i want a low-cpu decoder bypassing pulse and dropping low freqs21:31
javispedrothis time make sure you buy replacement speakers first =)21:32
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: what means "no EQ"? Doesn't work? Or left out of binary by compile option? OR simply no idea yet how to control it?21:34
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pupnikhe didn't hack it to use the eq21:39
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pupnikattack of the 50 foot woman... "with incredible desires for love... and vengeance"21:40
divanHow long is down?21:41
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SpeedEvilelop set fire to it.21:42
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javispedroelop, in a shuttleworth-moment of egomaniacal tendencies, decided that qt bugzilla is not back up until bug #1 is "Windows Presentation Foundation has not 100% of developer market share"21:44
povbotBug test - ignore it21:44
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RST38hheya javispedro21:45
javispedrohello RST38h21:45
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pupnik  [ Gates' Warning Against Wars Like Iraq and Afghanistan in speech at West Point ]21:47
RST38hwhich gates?21:48
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SpeedEvilIn other news, Tony Blair warns against windows 7.21:48
pupnikSecretary of Defense, on his way out21:49
* javispedro has one of those moments where one sadly realizes the amount of sw bloat21:50
RST38hpupnik: "on his way out" is the key phrase21:50
RST38hjavispedro: Android SDK?21:51
javispedrono, actually, n900.21:51
javispedroso I'm watching winamp do gapless playback, which wouldn't be surprising if..21:51
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SpeedEvilit wasn't running under qemu on the n900?21:52
javispedroI wasn't compiling something in the background with 8 threads, while running windows under a VM, while typing here on XChat, running Winamp under Wine, the Winamp output plugin being DSound, sound being forwarded ->Wine DSound->ALSA,21:52
javispedroand the input plugin being basically a full 32 bit console bit emulator being started and stopped on every track change.21:53
javispedroand NO buffering at all.21:53
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javispedroyet, if I want to do gapless playback of a few wavs on the N900 media player....21:53
RST38hjavispedro: You are notdoing it all on an N900, right?21:54
javispedronope, but gstreamer can't do gapless playback without buffering here either.21:54
pupnik'gapless' doesn't mean 'no skips'.21:54
RST38hN900 media player will do gapless playback just fine, unless the OS decides to raise some Cthulhu-like app from its slumber in the swap21:55
pupnik'gapless' means 'no skip between tracks'21:55
javispedropupnik: and that's exactly what I mean.21:55
RST38hModest is the usual culprit21:55
pupnikthat's not a performance issue, that's a design decision21:55
pupnikyou're talking about system load, which means you're talking about dropouts in playback21:55
javispedropupnik: it's when it's a design decision when it's a problem.21:55
RST38hI do suspect he means no skipping though21:55
javispedrono, I mean between tracks.21:56
pupnikoh ok21:56
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RST38hthen it is indeed notrelated to performance21:56
javispedroit is if you do not do any kind of prebuffering21:56
RST38halso, x86 hardware is much faster than OMAP3 with its little cheap peripherals,on the average21:57
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javispedroaka start reading the next track moments before the current one ends, which is how gstreamer implements gapless.21:57
pupnikyeah ok21:57
RST38hcan't it be added to n900 gstreamer though?21:57
RST38htheplayer still uses gstreamer, right?21:57
javispedroit's just that I'm impressed that winamp manages to do it without prebuffering even with the amount of crap I'm trowing at it21:58
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javispedro(and yes I'm sure, as I'm coding the input plugin atm)21:58
javispedroand yet GStreamer takes a whopping second to switch tracks because it has to rebuild whatever pipelines or sth.21:58
RST38hsame hw?21:59
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alteregojavispedro: I think you can get around that with some kind of a proxy setup.22:00
alteregoAnyhow, brb.22:00
RST38hjavispedro: BTW
javispedrowell, that plot is a bit untrue though.22:01
RST38hThat is what a clusterfuck looks like22:01
javispedrowhere you to draw a similar for windows, you'll have to put stuff like FMOD in there22:01
javispedroso I'm sure it would eventually look as much as a mess or even more than that one.22:02
RST38hjavispedro: no problem, I would even put sdl22:02
RST38hjavispedro: will look less22:02
javispedrotrue, will look more pyramidal at least =)22:02
RST38hjavispedro: At the lower level, you have got waveOut, midiOut, and DirectSound22:03
derfThe actual important metric, at least to me, is context switches.22:03
RST38hjavispedro: next layer, codecs22:03
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derf"How many processes does my audio have to bounce through before it actually plays?"22:03
RST38hjavispedro: DS may have its separate codec stack there, dunno22:03
RST38hjavispedro: parallel with codecs, FMOD,SDL, etc22:04
pupniki love winamp... it is rocksolid22:04
RST38hjavispedro: And that is about it. Nice and straight.22:04
RST38hjavispedro: Actually, BSD sound looks like that too22:04
* javispedro puts PulseAudio in RST38's "nice" Windows Audio Mess plot22:04
javispedro(cause it's been ported, you know =) )22:04
RST38hjavispedro: No PulseAudio in Windows,screwit22:04
RST38hLots of things have beenported22:04
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derfRST38h: You're forgetting WMF.22:05
derfAnd ASIO.22:05
javispedroand OpenAL, if you have a Ctx card22:05
javispedro(otherwise it very probably just talks to Dsound)22:05
RST38hderf: WMF as in windows metafile? and ASIO as in asychnronous io?22:05
RST38hderf: Neither is audio22:05
javispedromedia foundation (gstreamer -like thing)22:05
derfWindows Media Foundation.22:06
javispedro^^= wmf22:06
RST38hjavispedro: Ok, put OpenAL in22:06
derfThey're replacing DirectSound.22:06
RST38hderf: Ah that, I have it22:06
RST38hderf: "codecs"22:06
derfASIO is Advanced Steinberg IO, or something.22:06
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RST38hASIO I do not know22:06
APTXactually gstreamer is a DS like thing22:06
derfBasically, what you need for low-latency direct hardware access in Windows.22:06
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RST38hIn BSD (and any real Unix) it would be: /dev/dsp, dev/midi, dev/audio (compatibility) at the bottom22:07
RST38hbunch of codec device at the next layer22:07
RST38hsome app libraries at the next layer22:08
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* javispedro ends the sad violins, goes back to coding in a high level interpreted language, like python.22:10
* RST38h cackles at the mention of python22:10
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ShadowJKwtf, how did I manage this22:16
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ShadowJKxterminal is autorotating into portrait22:16
ShadowJKwtf, xchat too22:17
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kerioyay python22:18
ShadowJKbut not the browser22:18
ShadowJKah, ctrl-shift-r22:18
* ShadowJK didn't know22:19
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_0x471is there an upload limit to the autobuilder?22:22
_0x471I get errors all the time22:22
_0x471File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!22:22
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pupnikmwaha the massively abused n900 is up to 111 euro
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_0x471dput doesn't seem to work either23:02
pupnik_0x471: wish i could help23:03
pupnikwhat are you working on?23:03
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_0x471still the retarded mono package23:04
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pupnik_0x471: i recall dput being the one that worked for me.  i also had problems23:15
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_0x471pupnik: I'm currently rebuilding the sources to be sure there is no problem on my side. I then try both, website and dput, again...23:20
_0x471dput working now :) but i suppose it was something with my key before23:21
DocScrutinizer51mono? screwit23:24
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v3rseI need help!!!23:28
* DocScrutinizer51 too!!!23:28
DocScrutinizer51are you young and female?23:29
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v3rseyoung but not female sorry23:29
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v3rsewell my problem is that whenever i start up the maemo emulator it say this first:Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname!23:32
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v3rseSample files present.23:32
v3rse/usr/bin/ line 37: /usr/bin/ No such file or directory23:32
v3rse/usr/bin/ line 1: export: `40:': not a valid identifier23:32
v3rsesomeone please help me!!!!23:33
DocScrutinizer51well, nevertheless: what's ypur problem?23:33
v3rsescratchbox gives me a long list if errors when i launch the emulator\23:34
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pupnikhi v3rse i'm trying to guess what the problem is23:36
Sc0rpiusok first: are you sure you are in x86 mode?23:36
Sc0rpius99% people that come to this channel with scratchbox problems is because they are trying to run af-sb-init in ARMEL23:36
v3rseyeah i'm sure23:36
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v3rsei think it's because i didn't shut it down properly23:37
pupnikwas it working before?23:38
v3rseyh it was23:38
Sc0rpiuswell your first problem, the X problem, is because your DISPLAY variable should be localhost:223:38
Sc0rpiusnow if you're missing it seems you messed up with the installation23:38
Sc0rpiusI would install the whole SDK again.23:38
v3rsethis would be the third time i'd do this23:39
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v3rsewhere i come from internet time is limited, so is bandwidth23:40
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v3rsewell thanks guys  but i'd wish there'd be an alternative solution23:43
piggzSc0rpius: ah...the first time i started with sb, i radn af-sb-init in armel :)23:44
* piggz reccomends the sb virtual box image from kde23:44
v3rseumm piggz wats that?23:45
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Sc0rpiusheh piggz23:51
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_0x471guess i'm gonna do this all day23:53
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v3rsethanks guys  i'm out23:54
v3rsewill take me a while to download the vm23:54
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infobot:), DocScrutinizer5123:57
_0x471DocScrutinizer51: cheater23:57
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DocScrutinizer51~rape _0x47123:59
* infobot takes _0x471 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams23:59

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