IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-01-09

MohammadAGZogG, I'm not, at least they understand you're a geek00:00
MohammadAGsince they're usually geekier00:00
ZogGMohammadAG, give it a try00:00
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trumeeDocScrutinizer, so its best to plug it in after startup?00:00
DocScrutinizeryes, definitely00:00
ZogGtold you i had the same with atheros and now it works fine00:00
* trumee thanks DocScrutinizer for this advice.00:00
* MohammadAG ponders getting a 30ft ethernet cable and be done with wifi00:00
trumeeMohammadAG, homeplug?00:01
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ZogGMohammadAG, i maybe can get you a cable00:01
DocScrutinizercat5a is the best WIFI you can get00:01
ZogGasked the workplace and they gave me 15 meters00:01
ZogGDocScrutinizer, mindcontrol is the best wireless00:01
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, time for +o +b -o?00:03
DocScrutinizerwtf why did nobody point me at Boost-N900 ?00:03
DangerMauswhat happened in arizonia?00:03
DangerMausoops wong channel00:03
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LantiziaHey is there a way I can disable the SMS and Cellular Call Making abilities of the N900 (to clarify... leaving things like Skype, SIP and GPRS/WCDMA/HSDPA connectivity intact)00:04
ZogGDocScrutinizer, why? i just got turned on00:05
ZogGLantizia yes00:05
TamyrlinLantizia: Remove the SIM-card? :)00:05
LantiziaTamyrlin, you haven't read my clarifications :P00:05
ZogGyou can install tweak for power key to turn off celular modem00:05
TamyrlinAh, sorry, GPRS00:05
LantiziaZogG, I assume it means disabling the telepathy modules?00:05
MohammadAGthis is #maemo, not #turnmeon00:05
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LantiziaZogG, No... again read the clarifications00:06
ZogGMohammadAG and if maemo turns me on?00:06
ZogGwhat should i do than?00:06
ZogGsay what?00:06
LantiziaObviously I can't turn off the cellular modem like ZogG says or remove the SIM card like Tamyrlin or that will disable Internet connectively00:06
ZogGDocScrutinizer, i wan the power to ban people too, i would ban myself than =)00:07
Lantiziai.e. over GPRS/WCDMA/HSDPA as already listed00:07
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TamyrlinLantizia: Perhaps you could kill the phone/SMS application. Although I'm not sure how to do that00:07
ZogGi think than you should talk to your cellular company00:07
LantiziaTamyrlin, if I kill either application then I loose the ability to manage my facebook conversations and make SIP phone calls00:07
DocScrutinizerLantizia: basically not possible with standard means.00:08
LantiziaAs far as I know the Cellular call making and SMS functions are telepathy modules aren't they?00:08
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ZogGMohammadAG, can you explaine to me what is closed in UI that prevents us for full portrait mode?00:08
LantiziaSo if I disable those modules surely the conserations and phone apps can't use them00:08
ZogGas i didn't get about popups00:08
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DocScrutinizerLantizia: there might be a way to lock your account at carrier, via service-codes00:09
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DocScrutinizerrefer to starhash-enabler00:09
ZogGBCMM, told ya, new portage update, getting there slowly00:09
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MohammadAGZogG, everything?00:09
MohammadAGyou need 1 extra line in the source code00:09
MohammadAGor I need to patch hildon-desktop to set portrait mode on all windows00:10
MohammadAGwhich isn't exactly clean00:10
DocScrutinizerLantizia:   * 33 * SPERR-CODE * (Dienstkennung) #
ZogGcause not apps themselve can go portrait - right?00:10
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LantiziaDocScrutinizer, I'm in the UK00:11
DocScrutinizerLantizia: you'll need *#-ena pkg and your carrier has to support this function00:11
ZogGDocScrutinizer, do you need *# package to do it? i thought it works out of box now00:11
BCMM_ZogG: what do you mean by "full portrait mode"? it's my understanding that an applications needs to be modified to work with portrait mode, and thus any program that can't be modified can't have portrait mode added00:12
DocScrutinizernot afaik00:12
DocScrutinizerZogG: this is no supplementary SC, like *111#00:12
ZogGBCMM_ i mean not apps i mean popups and other stuff, built in stuff00:12
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DocScrutinizerit's a 2-digit service code00:12
DocScrutinizerthose don'00:12
ZogGfor example internet conection selection00:12
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DocScrutinizert work ootb00:12
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DocScrutinizerZogG: though I haven't tested on 1.3 as I got none :-P00:14
ZogGwhat music players do you use on desktop/laptop/netbook and so on00:14
ZogGDocScrutinizer do you still use 1.1.1 like an old school ?00:15
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DocScrutinizerwhat else?00:15
ZogGDocScrutinizer, amarok is shitty =( but had a great UI00:15
DocScrutinizer1.1.1+++ and 1.2++00:15
ZogG+++ stands for penis length? =)00:16
ZogGDouDouLinux is funny for kids, lol00:16
DocScrutinizerno, it stands for 1.3+_PK and a couple of tweaks as listed in my wikipage00:16
ZogGi'm using xmms2 but tierd of lack of good client for it =(00:17
BCMM_i still use amarok, even though it's sorta variable in quality00:17
BCMM_amarok is basically totally brilliant apart from regressions. every release.00:17
ZogGi used amarok 1.4 back than but as i don't use kde and don't like it and it brings all libs...00:17
ZogGamarok was great in UI as i said especially for huge collections00:18
ZogGgmusicbrowser looks nice for my laptop00:18
ZogGBCMM, i think i'll go for funtoo on laptop when i'll have time00:19
BCMM_amarok 2 is finally alright, ihmo00:19
ZogGterrible desing00:19
ZogGand that was only one thing good in amarok00:19
BCMM_you can lay it out similar to 1.4 now00:19
ZogGas it's heavy00:19
BCMM_and it has a much nice interface for internet radio now00:19
ZogGi don't know i almost don't ahve anythink qt reaaleted on computer aspecially kdelibs releated apps00:20
ZogGinternet radio is waste of time00:20
trumeeBCMM_, although they killed the shoutcast streams on it00:20
ZogGas it's not great quality00:20
ZogGi prefer my V0+flacs collection00:20
BCMM_you mean sound quality, or quality of music?00:20
ZogGotherwise i don't need musicplayer i can use websites with music00:21
ZogGthere is no such thing as quality of music as everybody has different taste00:21
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BCMM_well, i was wondering which sort of snob you were :)00:22
BCMM_you realise that requiring that much quality dismisses all radio ever?00:23
DocScrutinizerwell, being used from fomer better times to a thorens-MK-III with vacuum table and SME lever, plus appropriate amps and speakers, I have a hard time to find use in any mp300:23
ZogGradio is ok but whne it's background at work or car00:24
DocScrutinizerhell, the lever allone was some 500 bucks00:24
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BCMM_anyway, i like using the same program for internet radio, since websites don't have stuff like a global hotkey to make it be quiet and so on00:24
ZogGBCMM, you have global key for systen00:24
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ZogGbtw what do you think about OSS00:24
ZogGas it's back with OSSSv400:25
ZogGand DocScrutinizer i don't mean open SS if you thought so =)00:25
DocScrutinizerwhat I think? OMG another new fashionable sound system00:25
DocScrutinizerZogG: sorry?00:26
ZogGit was joke00:26
ZogGgerman joke00:26
ZogGlcuk, why do you still stick up with n800 again?00:26
DocScrutinizerI'm always puzzled when I completely miss a joke00:26
DocScrutinizerduh, a gernan joke?00:26
ZogGSS like in good old german00:27
ZogGyou know00:27
DocScrutinizerno, sorry. No idea00:27
ZogGnazi SS00:27
ZogGyou are killing it00:27
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ZogGdamn you00:28
DocScrutinizerdid I tell you I dn't click random URLs?00:29
ZogGnevermind than00:29
ZogGi don't know if it's good or bad thing you don't know what i'm talking about00:29
ZogGbut if i'll continue to explaine they would think i'm nazi jew =)00:29
DocScrutinizerI guess it's a good thing00:29
DocScrutinizerI honestly have different problems00:30
ZogGone side it is but on other side you have to rememeber bad things that were made in history to prevent them00:30
DocScrutinizerpff, I prevent them by not thinking about them. I did that in sufficient extent when I was 40 years younger00:32
DocScrutinizernowadays I merely kick skinheads on the rails in the subway00:32
ieatlintbut i hear all germans are nazis00:33
ieatlintand wasn't national socialism even born in bavaria?00:34
* ieatlint eyes DocScrutinizer 00:34
DocScrutinizerwho cares?00:34
DocScrutinizershall I go decontaminate a smaller town, so the next idiot will get born in Hamburg?00:35
ieatlinti'm pretty sure my country has dibs on the next such idiot00:35
BCMM_OSS is like BSD. even if they fixed the license now, it's never going to dominate the world00:36
DocScrutinizerlisten, this is such a boring topic, and the notion you need to watch for history not to duplicate in very detail is quite silly, as history actually never repeats. Next Hitler is probably Putin's successor, or LePen in France. And I don't care until it's time to shoot them00:37
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LantiziaHave popped the question there instead after confirming my carrier won't disable those services00:37
lcukZogG, ?00:38
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lcuksorry your question did not make sense00:38
DocScrutinizerLantizia: it's basically not possible to block SMS and outbound calls on an open system00:38
DocScrutinizeryou just can complicate it00:38
BaldrickDocScrutinizer, I'm just asking for two modules software modules to be disabled00:39
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BaldrickI don't think it is likely to be that impossible00:39
DocScrutinizererr, disable sw modules? modprobe -r is doing that?00:39
ieatlinti don't think you can disable incoming SMS00:40
ieatlintit's part of the radio's fw methinks00:40
BaldrickDocScrutinizer, you really have no idea do you? lol00:40
ieatlintpretty much same with voice, but you can set call forwarding to voicemail or something00:41
BaldrickForget about it :D00:41
DocScrutinizerthere's a config file for telepathy and/or rtcom-call-ui somewhere, and it has a long list of plugins for SMS, and calls, and whatnot. You probably just need to edit that list, to disable certain functions00:41
DocScrutinizerBaldrick: actually I think I really have no f'ing clue what you are talking about or want to hear from me00:42
lcukBaldrick, missed half this, but there is a tablet mode enabler00:42
Baldricklcuk, yeah you really did miss half of it :P00:42
SpeedEvilOn microSD controllers - lcuk
* lcuk misses the rest then00:43
DocScrutinizerand I missed 3/4 of it00:43
lcukno prob Baldrick \o00:43
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BaldrickWell this explains in full...00:43
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* SpeedEvil can't find the ds for the s3c49haa.00:43
MohammadAGcrashanddie, sitrep :P00:44
DocScrutinizers3c49haa samsung sheeva plug CPU?00:44
crashanddieMohammadAG: when did you become the project manager?00:44
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: no00:44
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: it's a flash controller, found in SD cards00:45
SpeedEvil2007 vintageish00:45
DocScrutinizerI bet the DS is hard to find :-P00:45
DocScrutinizera FTL00:45
MohammadAGcrashanddie, since the dawn of time00:45
DocScrutinizerI doubt there's such thing like datasheets for those X-D00:46
BCMM_Baldrick: wouldn't just not having any numbers in the phone book be a pretty good reminder not to make phone calls?00:46
BCMM_this has the advantage that you can ring 91100:46
MohammadAGcrashanddie, so, sitrep!00:46
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: yeah - I found a ds for a really old one - CF00:46
* MohammadAG expects a kick, runs away00:47
crashanddieMohammadAG: been busy as fuck at work and life00:47
crashanddieMohammadAG: haven't had the time to look at stuff00:47
crashanddieMohammadAG: also, your messing with directories and shit didn't help00:47
BaldrickBCMM, you haven't thought this through lol... what about Skype and SIP calling?00:47
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, shouldn't 911 call back if I called and dropped the call?00:47
MohammadAGcrashanddie, I didn't mess with it enough to break API00:47
DocScrutinizerusually they home in on you with black helicopters00:48
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, they didn't, I just remembered my classmate called them when we were in germany00:48
BCMM_Baldrick: oh, fair point, using skype to call real phones00:49
DocScrutinizernot a big surprise. Here 911 is the code for my hometown00:49
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, what's germany's emergency number then00:50
MohammadAGoh another thing, I might be in germany at summer :P00:50
DocScrutinizerinternational GSM emergency number (well maybe European at least) is 11200:50
BCMM_dunno if it's still the case, but in the UK, if you rang 999 by accident and hung up without explaining (on a landline), the police would (eventually) knock on the door and see if you were OK00:50
BaldrickMohammadAG, don't suppose you have any ideas on my telepathy question?00:50
RST38hHeya Mohammad00:50
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BaldrickBCMM, you can't hang up on a 999 call if it's a landline - they have to.00:51
DocScrutinizerwell, since S7 that's not completely correct anymore00:52
BCMM_Baldrick: huh? you mean it stays connected if the *caller* hangs up then picks up again?00:53
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BCMM_that's kinda cool00:53
MohammadAGBaldrick, hmm, which one?00:53
BaldrickBCMM_, indeed... I did it accidentally when I was very young - was doing something with an address book and my elbow caught the number 9 digit 3 or more times00:54
BCMM_Baldrick: apparently i dailed 999 as a baby (definitely too young to have been told about 999 or how to dial a phone)00:54
BaldrickIt's nice that it's one digit (in case the other 9 are broken lol)... but bad since it's easier to accidentally dial the same number 3 times00:55
MohammadAGBaldrick, you might be able to delete telepathy-ring, I'm not sure how the device will react to that00:55
DocScrutinizerBaldrick: [2011-01-08 23:41:30] <DocScrutinizer> there's a config file for telepathy and/or rtcom-call-ui somewhere, and it has a long list of plugins for SMS, and calls, and whatnot. You probably just need to edit that list, to disable certain functions00:55
MohammadAG# dpkg -r telepathy-ring00:55
BaldrickBut anyway it was impossible to hang up until I explained and they had to hang up00:55
BaldrickMohammadAG, will that do SMS too?00:55
MohammadAGyes, probably00:56
MohammadAGsince the conversations app is also telepathy00:56
BaldrickMohammadAG, dpkg lists no telepathy-ring00:56
MohammadAGI have no idea how the device will react00:56
MohammadAGhmm, sec00:56
Baldrickoh it does... sorry00:56
MohammadAGah crap, battery's empty00:56
BaldrickMohammadAG, and this won't disable general SIM/Cellular use for like Internet and such?00:57
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DocScrutinizerBaldrick: I bet MohammadAG hasn't tested it either00:57
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MohammadAGthe modem should load fine00:57
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, no, I didn't, and I won't00:57
DocScrutinizeryep, thought as much00:57
MohammadAGbut since removing telepathy-sprit removes skype...00:57
BaldrickI will test it though lol :P Since I want it hehe00:57
BaldrickMohammadAG, any way I can disable the telepathy modules rather than remove?00:58
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DocScrutinizerBaldrick: [2011-01-08 23:41:30] <DocScrutinizer> there's a config file for telepathy and/or rtcom-call-ui somewhere, and it has a long list of plugins for SMS, and calls, and whatnot. You probably just need to edit that list, to disable certain functions00:58
BaldrickYou've said that 3 times now00:58
MohammadAGmove them, or change the config file DocScrutinizer's talking about00:58
BaldrickI noticed, really I did lol00:58
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, having the path to the file helps :P00:58
BaldrickI already found /usr/share/osso-rtcom00:58
DocScrutinizeralas I have to skim through whole /etc to find it00:59
MohammadAGfind /etc -name telepathy*00:59
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DocScrutinizerI'm not sure this will pan out00:59
BaldrickNokia-N900:/etc# find . | grep telepathy00:59
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Baldrickgonna move /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-ring outa that directory and reboot01:02
Baldricktake a chance lol01:02
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DocScrutinizer  791 ?        SLs    0:18 /usr/sbin/csd -m -p call -p gprs -p info -p net -p sim -p simpb -p sms -p ss01:05
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DocScrutinizerwhat will happen if you start this csd without "-p call -p sms" ??? ;-D01:06
Robot101what's the plan?!01:06
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DocScrutinizerlocking GSM functions except GPRS01:06
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LantiziaWell it seems moving telepathy-ring out of there results in zero ability to connect to 3G at all01:07
Lantiziaonly Wiifi01:07
Lantiziathe phone app still shows cellular mode but the calls don't get made and the conversations app still shows a "new sms" button01:07
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LantiziaDocScrutinizer, where did you find that?01:07
DocScrutinizerLantizia: you don't expect the apps to deal with this situation in a pleasant way, do you? :-P01:08
DocScrutinizer(find) ps01:08
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Lantiziaright so you don't actually know what calls it then lol01:08
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DocScrutinizerno, but I know I've seen what calls it01:09
LantiziaWhat is that then?01:09
DocScrutinizerand I know how to find it01:09
DocScrutinizerLantizia: I think if you don't know how to fnd the script that starts  /usr/sbin/csd, then you also lack the qualification to get your call-locked setup done01:11
MohammadAGLantizia, he means, new sms will always show01:11
Lantiziayou mean /etc/event.d/sms-manager?01:11
LantiziaI think your an elitist snob if I have to be honest, was just a simple question01:12
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DocScrutinizersorry, I'm tired to tell things 3 times without anybody listening, then get asked silly simple to answer questions, that 'only' require me to do the job you are supposed to know how to do as well, and then get insulted for giving advice01:13
MohammadAGgrep -r "csd -m -p*" /etc/01:13
DocScrutinizeror in short: I think you're a moron01:13
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, so just a little wound up then? :P01:13
MohammadAGsettle down kids01:14
dotblankI think i am a moron because the autobuilder tells me01:14
MohammadAGdotblank, if you think that's enough, try fsck on a mounted partition01:15
ArGGu^^Can I get in qt n900 theme name?01:15
MohammadAGit calls you a bonehead01:15
MohammadAGhildon? maemo5?01:15
MohammadAGnever really checked, sorry01:15
MohammadAGArGGu^^, you can make a small CMDline app to print all available themes01:15
dotblankWHAT is Up!01:16
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dotblankwith the fing autobuilder01:16
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dotblankseriously did everything I know how and it still won't render the qgraphics view01:16
dotblankwhoa... something is seriously wrong here01:16
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ArGGu^^I have made some tweaking in my irc client for the default theme, but it breaks things in other themes :S01:17
ArGGu^^so I would like enable them only when the default theme is in use01:17
dotblankok I need an expert on this now01:17
MohammadAGhmm, like what?01:17
ArGGu^^MohammadAG are you asking what it breaks?01:18
dotblankEither the extras assistant isn't working.. my debain tools isn't working01:18
dotblankor the autobuilder is completely broken01:18
ArGGu^^it makes some widgets look really bad :S01:18
MohammadAGdotblank, what's up?01:18
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dotblankMohammadAG, ok I upload my .changes to the maemo extras assistant. it then compiles and imports the package01:19
dotblankbut the the output binaries are completely wrong01:19
MohammadAGhow wrong are we talking?01:20
dotblankbut its wrong in odd ways.. its like its ignoring my ui files or its not actually compiling the code i uploaded instead some older version01:20
dotblankoh wait...01:21
dotblankUI think i figured it out01:21
dotblankthe version numbers.. I had uplaoded 0.4-1201:21
DocScrutinizercat /etc/default/csd01:21
dotblankbut my earlier versions are 0.4-901:21
dotblankso what happens.. is that its actually compiling or still using my older packages01:22
dotblankI need to increment it to 0.501:22
MohammadAGyou do know importing happens each 30 minutes right?01:22
dotblankah ha!01:22
MohammadAG0.4-12 should be fine01:23
DocScrutinizerPLUGINDIR=/usr/lib/csd/plugins; ...; for PLUGIN in $PLUGINDIR/libcsd-*.so $PLUGINDIR/libcsd-*.so.1.0.0... >>/etc/event.d/csd01:23
MohammadAG12 > 501:23
MohammadAGerr, 12 > 901:23
dotblankGo ahead and download the source package for groove the latest one01:23
dotblankand compare it to the one available in the repos01:24
DocScrutinizermv /usr/lib/csd/plugins/  /usr/lib/csd/plugins/libcsd-call.so_disabled01:24
MohammadAGboth are -14?01:25
DocScrutinizercya peeps01:25
dotblankyea but if you compile my -14 in sbox01:25
dotblankand compare it to the one in the repo01:25
dotblankits like its two completely different programs.. I don't have funky ifdefs or anything like that01:26
dotblankits like it untars the files then grabs the latest one with a simple alphabet filter01:26
dotblankand uses that01:26
dotblankbut it never deleted my older version01:27
dotblanklike my program should segfault instead of being different01:27
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MohammadAGdotblank, sec01:27
* MohammadAG changes batteries01:27
dotblankif the elements arn't even working in the new version01:27
MohammadAGdotblank, unrelated, but till my device boots, did you try getting sound working in silent mode?01:28
dotblankMohammadAG, not yet01:28
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dotblankI've been working on playlist and other things01:28
dotblankfor groove.. so you can see modify and add songs01:30
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ArGGu^^MohammadAG found a solution "/etc/hildon/theme/index.theme" file has the name of the theme that is in use. :)01:34
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MohammadAGArGGu^^, ah, that01:35
MohammadAGArGGu^^, /etc/hildon/theme is a symlink to the current theme actually01:35
MohammadAGthat's  how my FOSS mediaplayer is themed already01:35
MohammadAGdotblank, you might be able to edit the policy file, lots of apps do that01:36
MohammadAGalso, is your makefile cleaning up all binaries and .h ui files?01:36
dotblankthe make file is auto-generated by qmake01:38
dotblankand qmake is aware of all files used01:38
lcukhas anyone seen March the 27th?01:38
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MohammadAGdotblank, yep, policy file works01:39
MohammadAGexe = groove01:39
MohammadAGgroup = player01:39
MohammadAGadding that to /usr/share/policy/etc/current/pulse/xpolicy.conf allows playback in silent mode01:39
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dotblankMohammadAG, Awesome is there anyw ay you can do per file configuration like policy.d/01:42
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dotblankMohammadAG, actually I think you may be right about cleaning up01:47
dotblankI think its not eleteing the old files from previous builds01:47
rtylerbought my wife an Android-powered HTC G2 today01:47
rtylermakes me really wish we had some better integration with web services in Maemo01:47
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dotblankmake[1]: Entering directory `/home/builder1/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/groove-0.5/builddir'01:48
MohammadAGdotblank, not sure, most apps just edit the file directly01:48
MohammadAGdotblank, what's with the qmaemo5rotater class?01:49
MohammadAGyou can just set autorotation to true now with Qt +4.6.201:49
dotblankYea I had some issues and there were bugs with it..01:50
MohammadAGalso, it kinda makes rotation messy, it always rotates even when the keyboard is closed01:50
dotblankDon't know if its fixed now01:50
MohammadAGdotblank, get rid of it01:51
MohammadAGjust use setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5Autorotation, true)01:51
dotblankAlright, I'll see if I can do that.. I remeber setting autorotation didn't do everything01:51
MohammadAGor was it Rotation01:51
MohammadAGmeh, Qt Creator will autocomplete01:51
dotblankI used to use that method01:51
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MohammadAGwhat do you mean by everything?01:52
dotblankturns out it would bug out01:52
MohammadAGit works for the foss mediaplayer and that does weird rotation magic with it :p01:52
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MohammadAGlike relocating widgets and flipping layouts01:52
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dotblankmaybe they fixed it in qt 4.7?01:52
MohammadAGit's been working perfectly fine for me01:53
dotblankIt was such a long time ago, I can't exactly remeber why I couldn't use it01:53
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dotblankmaybe I can since its all one window now01:53
MohammadAGalso, one suggestion01:53
MohammadAGyou could wrap this with ifdef Q_WS_MAEMO_501:54
MohammadAGcould you disable horizontal scrolling?01:54
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dotblankalright I can try to disable it.. but I think it has more to do with kinetic srolling.. I thought most of everything was wrapped in that ifdef01:54
dotblankeverything buildds fine on my linux box01:55
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dotblankI forgot to disable the the horizontal scrollbar in the playlist01:55
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dotblankalso I think I found a memory leak with QAbstarctTableModel data() function01:56
dotblankin the playlist class01:56
MohammadAGthat's an awesome portrait keyboard you have there01:56
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dotblankwas that an insult?01:56
dotblankbecause its very basic01:57
lcukGAN900, give sjgadsby a clip round the earlobe01:57
MohammadAGno, it was a compliment01:57
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dotblanknow I remember01:57
MohammadAGit's actually very nice01:57
dotblankthats why I couldn't use the qt attribute for rotation01:57
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dotblankit bugged the dialog window out01:57
MohammadAGoh, that shouldn't happen now, if the dialog is parented01:58
dotblankwhen I flipped it back to normal and I exited the dialog it would revert back to portrait01:58
lardman_night chaps01:58
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MohammadAGdotblank, make the dialog a parent of the window, and it should be fine01:58
dotblankMohammadAG, which version of groove are you using? one you buiolt or from the package manager?01:58
MohammadAGbuilt one01:59
MohammadAGfrom repos01:59
MohammadAGactually, it's kinda old01:59
* MohammadAG sends fresh deb01:59
dotblankMohammadAG, I ahve a git01:59
dotblankyou can pull from01:59
MohammadAGdotblank, got -14 installed02:00
dotblankwell if its fromt he repo that doesn't mean much02:00
dotblankyou are missing the playlist and progress bar and some accelerators02:01
dotblankthat *should* have been in the latest build02:01
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MohammadAGwhere's the git?02:02
dotblankgit clone
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dotblankAlso this build is the first time I subclassed a tablemodel02:04
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dotblankI noticed it was acting a bit sluggish02:04
dotblankproabably memory leaking all over the place02:04
dotblankshould not have folowed the example from this qt book02:04
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MohammadAGI'm kinda pissed how maemo's repo doesn't work in the sdk02:11
MohammadAGit's failing outside the SDK too this time02:12
Gyjfim kinda pissed about the sdk randomly stopped working02:12
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dotblanki'm kinda pissed how the autobuilder doesn't work02:15
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dotblankit STILL isn't right02:15
MohammadAGdotblank,'s garage git page isn't even replying02:16
MohammadAGerror: server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none while accessing
MohammadAGfatal: HTTP request failed02:16
dotblankits like the autobuilder is like: lolwut? you want ui files, nah you don't need ui files and I'll just somehow create my own without causing your program to segfault02:16
dotblankyea you ahve to git no ssl verify02:17
dotblankexport GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=102:17
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dotblankI uploaded a binary02:18
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MohammadAGQMetaObject::connectSlotsByName: No matching signal for on_list_clicked() dotblank02:19
dotblankthats odd my sdk works with it02:20
rtyleraw crap, is resetting connections for me02:20
lcukyou lose connetions, i lose days.02:20
lcukmeh02:20 is very spotty02:20
dotblankIt takes a year to update my sdk02:21
rtylerhow many machines power it? just the one?02:21
dotblankMohammadAG, is that when running or compiling02:21
MohammadAGdotblank, sec, I'll try the latest source02:21
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dotblankok it seems like just the .ui files are somehow outdated or invalid02:25
dotblankor produces different names02:25
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MohammadAGdotblank, are you sured you removed ui* files before sending it?02:26
dotblankwell you don't remove the .ui files but you remove the autgenerated header files from the .ui files02:27
dotblankqmake makes the ui_header.h02:28
dotblankfrom the .ui02:28
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MohammadAGI know :P02:28
MohammadAGui* doesn't include those, that would be *ui02:28
dotblankyou may be on to something02:29
dotblankjust noticed 3 ui* files02:29
dotblanklol I thought those were not tracked by git02:30
MohammadAGmake clean before pushing02:31
rtylerI wonder if I could donate some hosting resources to help make suck less02:31
dotblankreally odd02:31
MohammadAGif you're using Qt Creator, it copies files instead of building in the source dir, so use that ;)02:31
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dotblankthey arn't tracked by git and make clean doesn't remove them02:32
MohammadAGrtyler, talk to X-Fade02:32
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rtylerX-Fade: I have been instructed to bother you02:33
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dotblankMohammadAG, I think you may have found the issue02:33
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dotblankIt turns out those exact files wern't getting cleaned up by make02:33
MohammadAGweird, it should o_O02:33
dotblankfor some odd reason02:33
MohammadAGif the ui files are in the .pro file02:34
MohammadAGqmake; make clean should remove them02:34
dotblankwell after manually deleting them02:34
dotblankthen running qmake make and make clean02:34
dotblankeverything was fine02:34
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MohammadAGI suppose me helping you earns me a free song from grooveshark02:35
MohammadAGoh wait... :p02:35
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dotblankI can finally upload a working .changes file now02:38
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dotblankhmm having a Qicon in a mdoelview seems to really slow things down03:04
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mikki-kunhm, have the tracker-database files changed their place where they used to be?03:08
mikki-kunand if not, can somebody tell me how they were named?03:08
lcukdotblank, for which part is the slowness coming?03:09
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lcukis it extracting the icon data from the model, or mere fact you have an icon on the view?03:09
dotblanklcuk, I can't exactly place it but my custom QAbstractTableModel is very sluggish in the tableview03:10
lcuk(ie, is it as slow if you have a single static icon that does not change to data)03:10
dotblankI think its because the fact the icon is three03:10
dotblankI made it so on each data request it pulls a pointer to the qvariant holding the icon03:10
lcukdoes it require conversion to extract it out of your model?03:10
dotblankso its not like its loading a new icon everytime it fetches data03:11
lcukand what is the native data type it then gets converted to?03:11
lcuka QImage?03:11
dotblankits just a .png file in a qrc file.. I construct the icon in the constructor of the class and a build a qvariant on the data request03:12
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lcukwhy do you use QVariant if the datatype is known?03:12
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dotblankwell I have to return Qvaraint to fit the abstract table model implementation03:13
dotblankQVariant playlist::data(const QModelIndex &index, int role) const03:13
dotblank if(play->currentplaying()==index.row())03:13
dotblank                    dat = QVariant(*play->icon);03:13
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dotblankI wonder if its converting the icon into somethign usable by QVariant each time03:14
lcukwell to work that out, store it as a qvariant inside play object03:14
dotblankyup, was just about to do that03:15
lcukbut theres other heavy things going on there03:15
dotblankmaybe there is something really time consuming going on03:16
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lcukdotblank, how many times does ::data(...) get called?  once per *visible* cell on screen at that time?03:17
lcukor once per visible uninitialised cell?03:17
lcuk(ie, does it cache the cell data whilst its on screen03:17
dotblankwhen ever the tableModel updates.. it seems when a show() or anytime asomeone clicks the individual cell03:17
dotblankits slowest during dragging03:17
lcukyeah for sure03:18
dotblankI also think it may be related to edit mode trying to call drag methods and thats not there03:18
lcukso it is intelligent enough to only request visual items03:18
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dotblanklcuk, yea I think so03:18
lcukie on a 10k list it only wants data from 25 visible rows03:18
lcukor similar03:18
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MohammadAGdotblank, try using a QPixmap03:19
dotblanklcuk, yea and you can actually send an update signal to tell the model to update modelindexes03:19
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MohammadAGactually, sec03:19
MohammadAGhave a look at
MohammadAGit does a repaint every 100ms, and doesn't slow down scrolling03:20
MohammadAGthough I'm sure you're not doing it every 100ms03:20
dotblankI think whats really going on is that I didn't have edit mode off on my tableview03:20
dotblankso its trying to send edit methods03:21
dotblankand because of kinetic scrolling drag and drop is really slow/buggy03:21
lcukits probably just qt being a bitch03:21
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dotblankwell it doesn't happen with QStandardItemModels03:21
lcukany chance you could make a simple testcase highlighting this03:21
dotblankwell I think its my fault03:22
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lcukMohammadAG, why are you only refreshing 1/10 second?03:22
lcukinstead of on demand03:22
dotblankor the QVariant really doesn't support QIcon and each time it calls QVaraint(QIcon()) it does some conversion03:22
MohammadAGlcuk, cause it's animated03:22
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jef91Anyone had any luck getting yahoo! mail working on the n900?03:23
jef91Tried a couple methods I've found online and yet to have one work03:23
dotblankdoes yahoo support imap?03:24
jef91No idea.03:24
jef91Girlfriend's POS email account. Wish she would change to gmail xD03:24
GeneralAntilleslcuk: huh?03:25
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lcukGeneralAntilles, he Thanked! my facepalm post :P03:25
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dotblanklcuk, I tried some of the changes03:28
dotblankno dice03:28
pupnikany of you remember an xkbd layout with arrow keys?03:28
lcukdotblank, try just not assigning icon for a test03:28
dotblanklcuk, ok just did.. the icon doesn't seem to effect it at all03:31
dotblankits something.. else03:31
AndrewX192 !03:31
dotblankbrb I smell something burning03:32
lcukdotblank, simple testcase is best.  remove the problem from the bulk of your code03:32
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dotblankwell looks like i'll have to work this out later03:37
dotblankthanks for all your help lcuk and MohammadAG03:37
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infobotSince Sun Jan  9 00:52:05 2011, there have been 0 modifications, 10 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 5 commands.  I have been awake for 2h 31m 57s this session, and currently reference 117631 factoids.  I'm using about 15216 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 21.12/0.94 child 0/005:24
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new-n900i've loaded several movies to my new n900, but a few of them say that the audio codec is unsupported. is there a player (like vlc) that plays almost all formats?06:35
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Arkenoiis there a proper way to relaunch mycontacts widget on boot without manual intervention?06:37
chxfunny in my experience (though on PC) vlc played more than mplayer06:37
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Termanagood morning06:44
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DocScrutinizergood morning :-D07:50
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pupniknice, dawnmist finished her angband-sdl port
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* trumee it sucks to find cpu usage is 20% higher on a streaming ogg stream compared to an mp3 stream11:15
pupnikthere are alternative low-cpu ogg decoders11:15
pupniktaiwanese manufacturer announces dual-dpad handhelds
pupniklooks like the pupnik 77011:15
trumeepupnik, do they work with mediaplayer?11:16
pupniki don't think anyone has tried11:16
trumeepupnik, iirc there was an article comparing ogg decoders but there was no info on how to install the decoder11:17
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pupniki'm sure some people would appreciate such a thing11:18
pupnikif you do it11:18
trumeedsp supported,
RobbieThe1stHm... I think Rockbox uses gstreamer.. so if this DSP-based ogg decoder uses that...11:23
trumeeRobbieThe1st, tmo seems to suggest lardman knows a bit about it. and it doesnt work at present11:25
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MohammadAGhave all releases under tmo11:38
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FIQ|n900is the bug which when items in a select box with different values but same name, microB always selects the first one, known?11:41
FIQ|n900and if not, how do i file a bug?11:42
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toresbeHey, I'm having I/O errors with my SDHC card. :(12:34
toresbeAny quick hints for me..?12:34
toresbeSequential accessing works fine. I can dd without triggering errors, but random accessing causes I/O errors.12:35
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toresbe[44952.705322] mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data, sector 13099008, nr 8, card status 0xc0012:36
toresbeAny way of interpreting this?12:36
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timeless_mbpoh... that's right, windows 7's address book lets you search by phone number :o12:41
timeless_mbp(ovi suite's phone number search is limited to the first phone number in a contact12:41
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zlimvoshey guys, i'm about to travel to asia for a month, i was looking for a software that will help me locate myself on the map offline, and apparently there are so many nowdays.  (such as maep). any opinions which one to choose if not maep?12:53
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Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: ping12:54
Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: did you know about a scrolling bug in MicroB?12:55
timeless_mbpon phone12:55
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Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: it is a rather annoying bug. could you confirm it?13:05
Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: open the bookmarks window13:06
Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: scroll down just a little bit so that only the half of the bottom-most item is visible13:07
* timeless_mbp has 0 browser windows open and launches 'Browser' which yields a 'Browser Bookmarks' window with a location bar13:07
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timeless_mbpok, half of Bug me not (something) is visible13:07
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Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: then try to scroll by dragging the bottom-most item13:09
Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: for me, the list jumps immediately, instead of normal kinetic scrolling13:09
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Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: this occourse to me regardless of where I am in the bookmarks list, the only condition is that the bottommost item is only partially visible and you try to scrolll by dragging that13:10
timeless_mbpVenemo_N900: doesn't seem to be limited to the last item13:10
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timeless_mbpor rather, it seems that if i tap the last visible item, i get this behavior13:11
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Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: yes. I meant the bottommost currently visible item13:11
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timeless_mbpok, in file manager/contacts it just snaps into view13:12
timeless_mbpwe're clearly doing something else13:12
timeless_mbpVenemo_N900: please note that this is not microb13:12
timeless_mbpmicrob=gecko+api wrappings13:12
timeless_mbpbookmarks has virtually nothing to do w/ gecko13:12
timeless_mbp(heck, it uses its own proprietary file format [XBEL] instead of the gecko one)13:13
Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: what I find interesting is that this behaviour is only present in microb13:13
* timeless_mbp slaps Venemo_N900 13:13
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timeless_mbpnot microb13:13
Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: ok, not microb13:13
Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: but why can't I reproduce this in other apps?13:14
* timeless_mbp blames ui designers13:14
toresbegod damnit. this thing just refuses to work.13:15
toresbeit's the combination of seeking and writing that causes write errors to the card.13:15
timeless_mbpgood combination13:15
toresbeit's one of the better as I-O operations go13:16
Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: so, has noone noticed this bug yet?13:16
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timeless_mbpwrong question13:19
timeless_mbpask not whether it is unnoticed but rather whether it is reported13:19
Venemo_N900is it?13:19
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timeless_mbpsorry, busy dealing w/ an email from friday13:23
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timeless_mbpdid you search
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Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: no13:23
timeless_mbpplease try13:23
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timeless_mbpiirc bookmarks has its own component13:23
timeless_mbpwhich means you can just browse through all bookmarks bugs13:24
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Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: ok13:25
timeless_mbpactually, i can't check the internal bug tracker at this time13:26
timeless_mbpyou'd have to ask someone else13:26
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pupnikmount -o remount,uid=100,fmask=0077,dmask=0077 /mnt_data  isn't giving me write perms on vfat13:31
povbotBug 7498: Tapping a half selected bookmark causes that item to jump to the top13:31
timeless_mbpVenemo_N900: so much for our users not being willing to file a bug report :)13:32
* timeless_mbp is proud of our users13:32
Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: actually, you commented on it13:33
Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: "in fact it was fixed in January but missed the last n boats because no one from13:33
Venemo_N900management approved it.13:33
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Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: your management is nuts.13:33
timeless_mbpno argument from me :)13:33
timeless_mbpVenemo_N900: but please don't complain about me commenting in a bug implying i'm going to remember it13:34
* timeless_mbp hopes that link works13:36
Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: don't take it as a complaint13:36
timeless_mbpkeep in mind that's just some bugs i've reported13:36
Venemo_N900timeless_mbp: I myself would've forgotten something I commented on months ago13:36
timeless_mbpok :)13:37
Venemo_N900yes, works13:37
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Venemo_N900bye-bye now. I'll be back later13:52
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jukgoogle translate used espeak, recently they switched to more human like version, what is that, is it available?13:53
juki mean is it os?13:53
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lcukmorning \o13:54
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jukhi, lcuk13:56
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lcukhey juk14:05
lcukapart from translators whats happening14:05
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lcukhey MohammadAG and khertan14:18
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MohammadAGhey lcuk14:19
* MohammadAG grumbles at chemists14:19
* lcuk grumbles at missing days14:19
* MohammadAG checks calendar - not the 27th of March yet14:20
MohammadAGlcuk, what missing days :p14:20
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lcukMohammadAG, its like the anti-thesis of a leap year14:24
lcuk2011 will have 364 days14:24
MohammadAGgoing back to a non kinetic scrolling xchat is weird14:24
MohammadAGlcuk, the iPhone skips hours, in 24 days liqbase will be in sync with the iPhone14:25
lcukiphone can never be as fast as liqbase :P14:26
* MohammadAG would disagree, but he tested an N8 against an iPhone 4 and the N8 turned out smoother, and liqbase is kinda faster than Symbian^3 :p14:27
BCMMMohammadAG: there is a kinetic scrolling xchat?14:27
* MohammadAG ponders improving on dotblank's portrait kb in Qt14:27
BCMMor just a different IRC client?14:28
MohammadAGBCMM, private build, sort of14:28
BCMMMohammadAG: what does that mean?14:28
MohammadAGit means i didn't publicize patches14:28
MohammadAGand it's only side bars, not the channel text14:28
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MohammadAGoh and the channel picker14:33
MohammadAGerr, network picker14:33
MohammadAGmoo DocScrutinizer14:33
jukyou guys have mornings?14:34
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jukoops forgot to scroll14:35
infobot[ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
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MohammadAG~seen _nicolai14:41
infoboti haven't seen '_nicolai', MohammadAG14:41
MohammadAG~seen _nicolai_14:42
infobot_nicolai_ <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 14h 37m 3s ago, saying: 'MohammadAG, is someone working on the mafwsource for your mediaplayer?'.14:42
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* Termana kicks Chrome for being a knob14:50
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MohammadAGTermana, heh, what did he do?14:51
lcukwon't that dent it?14:52
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MohammadAGlcuk, I'm guessing he's talking about the tmo user14:52
TermanaMohammadAG, I was trying to upload an essay to my Uni and the deadline is within the hour. Chrome wouldn't do it. Luckily I checked whether Firefox would14:52
TermanaNo, I mean the browser :p14:53
MohammadAGoh, that chrome14:53
TermanaYes, POS :( I am unhappy with it now. I will give it the silent treatment14:53
MohammadAGonly thing I like about Chrome is the Uploading (XX%) part14:53
MohammadAGTermana, make it quick, I hate watching painful slow deaths14:54
DocScrutinizersooooo what's new?15:00
lcukDocScrutinizer, this year only has 364 days.15:01
DocScrutinizerosso-callendar gone nuts?15:02
maybeWTFdamn nokia internet tablets stealing whole days :/15:04
DocScrutinizerlcuk: count them all, maybe there's much more missing15:04
lcukDocScrutinizer, nope15:04
lcukjust that one day15:04
lcukalthough there is potential to get it back in the autumn15:05
lcukbut I did not check that15:05
DocScrutinizerliqcallendar is a sneaky bastard15:05
lcukI think perhaps it will duplicate a day lol15:05
* lcuk checks15:05
DocScrutinizermuhaha, DST or what?15:05
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DocScrutinizerah, odd months15:06
lcukdst actuall15:06
lcuksee next comment15:06
lcukto notice the bug itself15:06
lcukits ok guys, theres no missing day15:08
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lcukOctober 30th however will be repeated15:08
DocScrutinizerit just moved15:08
DocScrutinizerhappy marriage15:08
DocScrutinizernext year there will be many little dailies15:09
* DocScrutinizer ponders if he likes years with even more days in them. And then baby days, eeew15:10
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talineohi, after advices from some guys here, I'm building a kernel with initramfs to try and save my n810 after a stupid update of udev. The problem is that I need the BME driver which I do not know where to find and that I cannot get from my own device ...15:32
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pupnikbme is closed15:42
zogg_my door is closed15:43
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DocScrutinizeranyway iirc bme is not really a kernel module driver, so you just need to copy the binary to your rootfs, and it should work15:48
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talineoDocScrutinizer: thanks, so I don't need it to boot, but still need to find it, and other says it's closed so ...15:49
DocScrutinizerit's closed15:50
DocScrutinizerand for basic boot it's not needed - just for battery charging15:51
DocScrutinizerI just hope you'll not suffer from a bootloop when bme isn't available and some dsme or other master decides this isn't bearable and requires a full reboot15:53
talineomy battery is half, I need to boot with minimal kernel with busybox to chroot and downgrade my udev or at least backup /home before flashing15:53
DocScrutinizerhmm, I see15:53
VladNistori copied a font to /usr/share/fonts. do i need to reboot to be able to use it? :-?15:53
DocScrutinizerVladNistor: I'd guess definitely not15:54
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VladNistorDocScrutinizer, thanks. It can't find it in theme customizer or the advanced clock plugin though :-?15:55
DocScrutinizerI don't know of any process that establishes and keeps a lock or link to all existing fonts during boot, and keeps these15:55
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VladNistoryeah, i don't either, this is strange :)15:56
DocScrutinizerit's more likely that there's some "inventory" file where the font need to get listed15:56
talineoVladNistor: If you copied it like that you will need to use some mkfontscale/mkfontdir to update your fonts, add it to the xorg conf and restart xorg. That's what I would do on a classical pc. I don't how much it apply on your device.15:56
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VladNistorthanks talineo. i didn't know fonts go in xorg.conf, u sure?15:58
talineoSection "Files"         FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled"         FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"15:59
DocScrutinizertalineo: have you considered using/booting a completely alternative OS, like mer or meego? then just mount the former rootfs of diablo and copy out your home from there15:59
talineosorry for the display15:59
VladNistoroh, alright, thanks15:59
DocScrutinizertalineo: I suggest to ping stskeeps in #meego(-arm). He knows a lot about booting N810 with alternative rootfs and OS16:01
talineoDocScrutinizer: thanks I will go and pick informations there16:02
DocScrutinizertalineo: maybe even #mer16:02
DocScrutinizerI'm absolutely sure there's been a decently working mer distri for N810, and stskeeps was the one to do this amazing piece of work16:03
VladNistorwould the rescue init from meego not work? i used it once to get to my data on n90016:04
DocScrutinizerhe's on #mer16:04
talineoDocScrutinizer: that sounds good16:04
VladNistorDocScrutinizer, talineo, a reboot does the trick with the font :)16:04
DocScrutinizerVladNistor: I'm not sure it will work for N81016:04
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VladNistoryeah, might not, i'm not familiar with the N81016:04
DocScrutinizer(meego initrd)16:05
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DocScrutinizertalineo: anyway, a test might not hurt:
VladNistoryeah, that's the one i was referring to16:08
talineoDocScrutinizer: will look at it, I just want not to test too much, because my battery is just half and some says me I shouldn't drain it too much16:09
DocScrutinizerthis is a nondestructive way to load a mini-OS to ram and boot from there, so storage won't get touched. Basic operation principles should apply to N810 as well16:09
DocScrutinizeryeah, battery is a big concern16:09
DocScrutinizerso better ask stskeeps. He's the expert :-D16:10
VladNistorhahaha, my phone is in Ancient16:10
DocScrutinizertalineo: by any chance you are familiar with electric things?16:11
talineoDocScrutinizer: talking with Stskeeps right now16:12
DocScrutinizeroh, good16:12
DocScrutinizeryou can't get better advice16:12
talineoDocScrutinizer: electric things is far ... (I was at school then)16:12
DocScrutinizerok, nm then16:12
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DocScrutinizer(otherwise I might have pointed you to options of external charging and feeding N810 with alien PSU via battery contacts. But that's for copper dudes)16:15
DocScrutinizer(except maybe the universal LiIon charger option. Always handy to have such a device I guess - I got none, I'm doing this the more hardcore way ;-)  )16:17
DocScrutinizeralso I got a spare of all my important devices :-D16:18
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talineoDocScrutinizer: Stskeeps pointed a link to use my n900 battery on my n81016:21
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DocScrutinizeryep, should work16:25
DocScrutinizerthough a bit icky16:25
talineoyes a bit !16:25
DocScrutinizerneeds quite a bit of pressure for mine16:25
DocScrutinizerand contacts still are shaky16:26
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DocScrutinizeralas it's probably hard to charge the BP-4L in N900 :-)16:29
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talineoDocScrutinizer: yep for the n900, I didn't make the same mistakes, I have a spare battery with a charger16:30
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DocScrutinizerheh, the charger might work for BP-4L, no?16:31
talineoDocScrutinizer: no just the size for the BL516:31
pupnikpupnik uses a spare universal charger16:32
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-09 15:17:04] <DocScrutinizer> (except maybe the universal LiIon charger option. Always handy to have such a device I guess - I got none, I'm doing this the more hardcore way ;-)  )16:32
chxis it worth such a hacking when a universal lion charger is ten bucks?16:35
chxI bought this with my second battery. Works.16:36
talineochx: interresting :)16:38
chxit's SUCH a bummer that you need to hack and trick and whatnot for a hotswap with the N900 :(16:39
DocScrutinizerhotswap batteries?16:42
DocScrutinizerchx: it's not that bad really16:43
chxhave it advanced since i read?16:43
chxit sounded like some serious magick16:44
DocScrutinizerplug in charger, reduce screen brightness to min and make sure screen won't dim for 30s. stop bme, swap battery, start bme16:44
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i never managed to do it16:45
DocScrutinizeryou might want to enter flight mode prior to this, as modem is definitely using too much power16:45
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I did it some 10 days ago, just dor fun. AIUI MohammadAG is doing that 5 times a day16:46
MohammadAGhehe, I always swap without doing anything16:46
MohammadAGI did it on 3G and full brightness once16:46
MohammadAGwell, 4/5 brightness actually16:46
MohammadAGso it's just connect charger, stop bme, swap batteries, remove charger, start bme16:46
DocScrutinizerwell, bq24150 might deliver as much as 1000mA@4V, to stand-in for the battery16:47
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, more, my battery inflated a bit more recently so it has a lifetime of 2h16:47
* MohammadAG 's looking at hildon-desktop's source16:47
MohammadAGtrying to change blur to darkening16:47
MohammadAGi.e instead of blurring dialogs and such, darken the background16:48
jacekowskii don't get it16:48
MohammadAGa lot less intensive on the SGX, and should be quite faster16:48
jacekowskiwhat you do to these batteries16:48
jacekowskii never had battery that got pregnant16:48
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DocScrutinizermeh, better add a keyboard shortcut to MHD for getting to desktop and to applauncher menu, from window switcher screen16:49
MohammadAGjacekowski, got 3 batteries, can't find 1, 1's "pregnant", the other is umm, weird16:49
jacekowskigot 216:49
jacekowskione is in my phone16:49
jacekowskisecond is new one that i have to swap one day16:49
DocScrutinizerI got 3 and all are fine16:50
DocScrutinizerI guess MohammadAG's external charger is a bit harsh to the batteries16:50
DocScrutinizerwouldn't be surprised16:51
DocScrutinizerdecent charger chips are "expensive"16:51
trumeeDocScrutinizer: any recommended external charger?16:51
jacekowskithat spring in back piece of case16:52
jacekowskibattery cover16:52
jacekowskithat holds that tilting thing16:52
jacekowskijust came off16:52
DocScrutinizertrumee: sorry, I never got any external charger, so I really can't judge about their quality16:52
Claudio_1232can i install maemo on my motorola e8 ?16:52
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: known issue16:52
DocScrutinizerClaudio_1232: no16:52
trumeeDocScrutinizer: you use N900 to charge all the 3 batteries?16:53
DocScrutinizerClaudio_1232: you might be more lucky with meego16:53
DocScrutinizertrumee: sure16:53
Claudio_1232is there any other OS for motorola e8 ?16:53
DocScrutinizerI got 2 of them, so basically just one fake spare battery16:53
trumeeDocScrutinizer: nokia uk shop doesnt have any in stock :(16:54
Claudio_1232i really like that phone but the OS its terrible16:54
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talineocan someone give me the full path for bme btw ? (on n810)16:55
DocScrutinizerClaudio_1232: this is not the right channel for you :-D16:55
* trumee wonders if amazon could be trusted with a genuine battery16:55
DocScrutinizerClaudio_1232: you can't run maemo on motorola phones. And nobody here knows anything about your phone's OS16:56
Claudio_1232im afraid so16:56
VladNistorabout amazon, they offer those tiny images for cloud computing for free. turns out they're just barely faster than an n900 according to phoronix.com16:56
DocScrutinizertrumee: that's a difficult question. Even Nokia can't tell apart fakes and genuine ones, unless they disassemble :-D16:56
kerioDocScrutinizer: but the HOLOGRAPHIC STICKER16:57
keriosurely that can't be faked!!!!!1!116:57
VladNistoryeah, nobody makes them, they just appear out of thin air!16:58
jacekowskikerio: i have fake battery16:58
jacekowskikerio: with sticker and stuff16:58
kerioget it replaced by nokia16:58
jacekowskiwhy by nokia?16:58
kerioso you get a genuine one16:58
jacekowskii bought it somewhere else16:58
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kerio"this battery is crap!"16:59
jacekowskii don't care16:59
jacekowskiit's not crap16:59
VladNistor-mobthis is wird, xchat doesn't seem to really use my ancient font :(17:00
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DocScrutinizeryeah, my supposedly faked one also performs up to expectations17:01
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* alterego yawns and waits for the package importer.17:01
jacekowskii banned myself yesterday on one of channels17:02
jacekowskii don't even remember that17:02
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DocScrutinizersome might even be grey shift production. Means the manufacturer building batteries for Nokia just does a nightshift building 'nokia' batteries for grey market - usually employees do this while management doesn't know about it ;-)17:03
DocScrutinizerVladNistor-mob: you're aware xchat has its owm font selector in setup?17:04
VladNistor-mobDocScrutinizer, i do now, thanks17:04
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VladNistor-mobbut since the menu is in ancient and i can' read it i also can't change it... yeah, i'm bored17:05
VladNistoroh, and the application list doesn't use the fonts either17:07
DocScrutinizer""and next week we will learn how to switch language of your heating from simplified chinese back to latin-1""17:07
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VladNistori'm trying klingon next :)17:08
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talineoVladNistor: that may of any help ? (you have tools to draw the characters you don't know)17:15
VladNistortalineo, hahah, i know the theme customizer menu in any language to switch back, thanks :P17:16
talineoVladNistor: you're welcome ;-)17:17
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VladNistoris that your alterego, alterego?17:23
pupnikwaitasec, for omap3 i don't want -mfloat-abi=softfp  do i17:24
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VladNistori'm watching tron legacy, and some guy is using an n8 to hack into some server =))17:37
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alteregoVladNistor: heh, cool, the N8 also featured in the latest season of Dexter17:45
hrwproduct placement ;D17:46
alteregoYeah, they're pretty good at it aren't they ;)17:49
hrwmoney makes things easier17:49
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MohammadAGN8 to hack a server? hah17:52
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jacekowskihack the planet17:54
MohammadAGit can't hack itself17:55
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VladNistoryeah, it had some sort of board sticking out of it which could crack access to some sort of door and then some sort of server... looked cool17:56
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trumeeis it possible to stop tracker to pick images from a certain folder but let it pick up music?17:58
MohammadAGproduct ads are always cool17:58
trumeei have CD covers in my music folder which get picked up by tracker as well which i dont want17:58
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alteregotrumee: join the club :P18:20
trumeealterego: is thereany way to delete entries from tracker database?18:21
keriotracker-processes -k && tracker-processes -r && sudo find / -name *tracker* -delete18:24
kerioit's the only sane way18:24
trumeekerio:that is not what i was asking18:25
kerioyes, it was18:25
kerioyou just don't know it18:26
trumeekerio:i want tracker to pick only mp3 from the folder and not the images.18:26
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trumeekerio: not to bloody ask the tracker to index everything again18:27
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keriono, you want to delete the fuck out of the tracker18:32
trumeekerio: but wont the tracker again pick up the images and mp3 from the same folder?18:34
kerionot if you delete it!18:34
kerioalso check out .config/tracker/something.cfg18:34
kerioi'm not sure if there's a way to make it index types based on position though18:34
* trumee confirms that kerio got the question wrong18:34
keriosee, you *think* you want tracker to be less crappy18:35
infoboti guess sarcasm is a troll rolling on the stone18:35
MohammadAGyou need a new detector for it trumee18:35
kerioin reality you just want to delete the little bastard18:35
trumeeMohammadAG: so it is not possible at the moment?18:35
MohammadAGtrumee, a sarcasm detector18:35
MohammadAGno, not to my knowledge18:36
trumeeok. cheers18:36
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keriotrumee: even in the best case scenario you'd probably need to rescan anyway18:37
keriomake it only scan for audio in ~/MyDocs/.sounds/ maybe18:37
MohammadAGyou can't kerio18:37
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kerioi reiterate my proposal of tracker-processes -k && tracker-processes -r && sudo find / -name *tracker* -delete18:38
alteregoWhat's with the 1.4 rumours?18:39
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MohammadAGalterego, free popcorn, why do you care?18:40
alteregoI just don't get how people can get this shit.18:43
infobotPR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject18:43
MohammadAGalterego, it was on facebook®!!18:43
alteregoMohammadAG: I know :P18:44
MohammadAGalterego, oh yeah, and the facebook's closing on 15/3 thing18:45
MohammadAGcheck your news feed, see how many believed that18:45
alteregoHeh, crazy18:46
alteregoMore believable than PR1.4 though ;)18:46
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MohammadAGalterego, yeah, they quoted Mark, I should quote Ari Jaaski and see how many believe that18:47
MohammadAGeven though he quit18:47
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keriowtf, timeless19:11
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lcukMohammadAG, HD already has ways of simplifying the rendering to lighten the load19:46
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lcuknotice that the fade/blur is done at half resolution for instance19:46
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Tuco_mariais it possible to install Qtmail on maemo 5???19:52
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alteregoI swear everytine there's activity on the Columbus thread someone touches the modrana thread too.19:58
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alteregoOh, the dev released a new version today aswell ...20:08
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lcukomg w0000p20:32
lcuk"Your Mail-ID has been awarded £950,000,00 Pounds .... "20:32
* lcuk wonders what to do with 95million pounds20:33
lcukactually, I don't wonder, I know exactly what to do with it20:33
Gyjfbuy the moon?20:33
Scorcererif you don't want it you can give it to me :D20:33
rtylerfund a bloody modern maemo-based phone? :D20:33
* rtyler wants a more powerful n900 damnit20:33
Scorcererthat would be nice20:34
lcukit would be good seed money for a rocking future20:34
rtylermy wife's new HTC G2 is putting my n900 to shame20:34
lcukrtyler, :) n900 is awesomely powerful already20:34
rtylertoo little RAM20:34
lcuki was using my n810 yesterday and marvelling at just how good it was20:34
rtylerI like to multitask with Opera and another app or two20:34
rtylerrunning multiple tabs in opera is sluggish20:35
lcuksince especially it can easily support build-essential and do on device building simply :)20:35
rtylerthe chip is likely still fast enough, just need moar rams20:35
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lcukare you sure its opera (or any browser) thats slow and not the damned active flash on each tab20:35
DocScrutinizerlcuk: not very serious, as they even got the , wrong20:35
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lcukDocScrutinizer, its not wrong, its 95 million pounds!!!!20:36
lcuki have already replied20:36
DocScrutinizeror maybe it's meant to be 950,000.0020:36
rtylerlcuk: disabled flash20:36
lcuktheir mistake, not mine20:36
rtylerI am trying out firefox today20:36
lcukwhats wrong with microb?20:36
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: please give a a humble 10k of it ;-D20:36
rtylerdon't like the experience20:37
rtyleralways been a closet opera fanboi20:37
lcukrtyler, what specifically is wrong with browsers and what would your ideal be20:37
rtylerif there was a really polished webkit browser for maemo though20:37
lcukback i nthe day I recall a browser called tear20:37
lcuki cant remember what it was based on20:38
rtylerlcuk: the tabs interface and zooming with Opera on Maemo is really nice, I'm generally impressed with the sites it can handle without killing the device's responsiveness too much20:38
rtylerfirefox's UI on maemo is too sluggish, especially when loading pages20:38
* rtyler think he just crashed it20:38
DocScrutinizerrtyler: hell, multiple tabs in opera is sluggish on my 16core 3.8GHz 32GB RAM box20:39
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lcukDocScrutinizer, what would 10k get me?20:39
DocScrutinizereternal praise20:39
lcuki have that anyway20:39
DocScrutinizeryou never can have enough of it20:40
lcukif it got the h-e-n patches into official kernel I would start saving today20:40
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DocScrutinizeryou can have those in a week if you would pay those 10k. But the question is how to get that official kernel really official20:41 official?20:41
DocScrutinizerooh you mean official like "upstream" - *really* upstream, maybe linus branch.20:42
lcukreally official20:42
DocScrutinizerwe can talk about that20:42
lcuknot now we can't, I have to go rest off bowling aches and sunday roast bloat20:43
DocScrutinizerI'm sure I know some good popular honoured kernel hackers that could push it, for a adequate bribe20:43
DocScrutinizerthere has been worse crap in main branch20:44
lcuki don't know whats worse, losing March 28th or having 2 October 30ths :S20:45
lcukits like groundhog day20:46
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MohammadAGlcuk, having a february the 31st20:46
lcukhow would you get to feb 31st?20:46
MohammadAGlcuk, you got 2 october 30ths20:46
DocScrutinizerI would have expected March 28th to keep her name, or at least get a double-name like OctoberMarch 28th, wife of October 30th20:46
yaccAny way to figure out if a network supports DTM without trying a voice call and data at the same time?20:46
lcukor is it one of those days you have to get REALLY drunk to actually reach20:46
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MohammadAGshouldn't be hard for you to figure out20:47
DocScrutinizerwonder what their kids are named20:47
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DocScrutinizeryacc: nope, not afaik20:49
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yaccAnyway, what scripts are run when bnep0 gets created?20:55
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Venemosomeone should shoot the guys who makes threads like this:
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RST38hIt is a lemming. It is trying to be "helpful".21:31
FauxFauxVenemo got all excited.21:31
BCMMVenemo: i've nearly finished my blog post about an upcoming release21:32
VenemoBCMM: :D21:32
BCMMduke nukem forever is gonna be an n900 exclusive21:32
BCMMnext week.21:32
BCMMi am an authority on such things.21:32
BCMM"I guess that this probadly is true."21:33
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BCMMi love TMO21:34
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BCMMwithout it, those people would probably end up *here*21:34
BCMM"i stumbled upon another guy from twitter claiming this aswell"21:34
ag0ny1Good evening everybody. Could someone tell me in which order the emmc and os images must be flashed? I found opposing information about the order...21:35
ShadowJKThe order isn't important if you make sure you don't reboot or boot the device in between21:36
jacekowskiag0ny1: any order21:36
jacekowskiag0ny1: just don't reboot21:36
ShadowJKso don't use -R (reboot) flag to flasher21:36
ag0ny1Thank you. But why does say then: "Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that." next to the vanilla image?21:37
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DocScrutinizerag0ny1: the info and rationale on wiki is pretty clear, no?21:38
ShadowJKIf you fuck up and reboot the device in between, then hang done the emmc first means the device boots up to slightly broken system that can be fixed by flashing the rootfs/fiasco image21:38
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: and afaik they fixed that on some weeks ago21:38
DocScrutinizerthey == X-Fade21:39
infobotfrom memory, flashing is
ShadowJKif you flash rootfs/fiasco first and boot, data is moved from / to /opt (emmc), and that data is then overwritten when you flash emmc, and you end up with slightly broken system, which can be fixed by flashing rootfs/fiasco image. Or in total 3 flashings21:40
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: if you found any wiki or nokia page telling different, please drop a pointer and note here21:40
Venemothe truth is, as long as you do NOT reboot inbetween, it doesn't really matter.21:40
DocScrutinizerVenemo: that's what he said :-D21:41
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DocScrutinizerWhen flashing the eMMC content, always flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! Rationale: on accidental booting in between the 2 flash processes, the sequence formerly suggested (rootfs first) will result in a broken system. The sequence "eMMC first, then rootfs" is checked back with Nokia affiliates and is proven to21:42
DocScrutinizerwork. The former advice on was not based on any facts for the recent eMMC VANILLA image. It's fixed now and in line with this wiki21:42
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ag0ny1DocScrutinizer: there is a post from cpitchford stating an order. That combined with the note on the page did confuse me as they state differently.21:43
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ag0ny1I had not found the Wikipage you just linked, which is stating it pretty clearly21:44
ShadowJKAh, :)21:44
ShadowJKThey probably didn't notice it changed on tablets-dev21:44
lcukGeneralAntilles, whats that old book you uploaded to flickr?21:44
ag0ny1But maybe I don't need to flash my newly acquired device that keeps on rebooting randomly? Maybe there is already another fix for that problem?21:45
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lcukag0ny1, ? if you just got a second hand device, I recommend flashing to official anyway21:46
ShadowJKWhat OS version does it run?21:46
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hrw~seen texrat21:46
ShadowJKYeah, what lcuk says21:46
infobottexrat <47a4a9ca@gateway/web/freenode/ip.> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 31d 17h 19m 29s ago, saying: 'sphinxxxx, gtfo'.21:46
ag0ny1No, its not second hand. Its brand new. Its the device for my wife...21:46
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lcukhrw, \o hey, texrat rarely comes on irc21:46
lcukbut if you want him, he is responsive on email usually21:47
ShadowJKag0ny1, what version? (settings - about product)21:47
lcukincase you haven't got his addy, I am PMing it now.21:47
ag0ny1OS Version is V 20.2010.36-221:47
hrwlcuk: I am exchanging tweets with him now21:48
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ShadowJKSo that's newest.. If it's rebooting randomly and brand new I'd return it21:48
hrwlcuk: he is Dallas guy and I am here for week21:48
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: it should not reboot randomly, unless you installed a broken app (probably found on extras-devel repository). But OOTB devices need a OS upgrade21:48
lcukyeah hrw, have you been there before?21:48
ag0ny1DocScrutinizer: OOTB?21:48
infobotootb is, like, Out Of The Box21:48
hrwlcuk: nope, first visit21:49
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ag0ny1ShadowJK: I read, during research for the reboot-problem, that a reflash might help as well...21:50
hrwlcuk: weather suxx badly today ;(21:50
hrwsitting in hotel is uber boring21:50
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: have you connected the device to internet? Usually via WLAN21:50
ag0ny1DocScrutinizer: The device has the latest os version already21:50
lcukhrw, you must get a 10gallon hat photo!21:50
ag0ny1DocScrutinizer: Yes21:50
lcukhrw, it depends on the company21:50
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: :-O21:50
ag0ny1DocScrutinizer: That was never a problem with my own device...21:50
lcukin Dublin we pretty much camped out in the hotel but there was always a big bunch of us21:51
hrwlcuk: 10gallon hat?21:51
JaffaCamping out in the hotel when you're travelling on your own is no fun, though.21:51
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DocScrutinizerag0ny1: so yeah, reflash it completely, do NOT restore any apps you had installed yourself previously, and check if the device behaves21:51
MrBawbJaffa: it is when they charge $14/day for internet. wee!21:51
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ShadowJKWell, the first OS version over a year ago had an issue where it randomly rebooted on some devices. this was fixed in january 2009. You have the latest os on that device, so the well known reboot issue isn't relevant. That leaves the possibility that the os install is corrupted either through something installed or out of the box, OR, that the hardware is faulty21:52
hrwlcuk: ok, I see21:52
ag0ny1DocScrutinizer: Ok. Can I use the latest emmc image?21:52
ShadowJKIf you reflash you eliminate the possibility that the os install is damaged21:52
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DocScrutinizerag0ny1: ShadowJK: exactly21:53
ag0ny1ShadowJK: Yes. I am going to stress-test after the fresh flash21:53
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: good21:53
DocScrutinizerdon't forget to test headset/AV connector and FMTX. There were several reports of those being broken OOTB21:55
ShadowJKand mic21:55
ag0ny1Ok, thank you all very much. You really helped me!!21:56
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: also you may want to write and read huge amount of data (a large file) to eMMC aka MyDocs, and see if the flash is ok21:56
hrwag0ny1: I had a post about what to check...21:56
hrwlet me find it21:56
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ag0ny1hrw: Thanks!21:56
ag0ny1*takes notes *21:56
hrwag0ny1: add coment there if you will have something to add21:57
DocScrutinizerhrw: heh, your server broke on massive trafic, some seconds ago? ;-D21:57
GAN900Why do the rumored specs for the N9 never have anything relating to reality.21:58
RST38hHow do you know though?21:58
hrwGAN900: I would rather see omap3640/1GHz21:58
ShadowJKIt'll be same cpu as beagleboard xm, but one number higher ;P21:58
hrwRST38h: nokia uses omap cpus since long time21:58
DocScrutinizerhrw: 42% loaded21:59
hrwDocScrutinizer: ?21:59
hrwDocScrutinizer: loaded fine here21:59
DocScrutinizeraaah 76% and actually showing content already21:59
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hrwDocScrutinizer: maybe time to switch from 9600 modem to a bit more modern isp?22:01
DocScrutinizerfor you?22:01
ShadowJK1GHz Omap3, 512M Ram. 800x480. My prediction ;p22:02
ag0ny1Does the device stay in flash mode after the battery was removed?22:02
ShadowJKag0ny1, no it shuts down22:02
ag0ny1ShadowJK: Thanks!22:02
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DocScrutinizerag0ny1: the "undocumented" though apparently most rock solid way to flash is: plug in N900 without battery, start flasher so it shows "waiting...", then insert battery (while holding 'u' key, though that's not really needed usually)22:05
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ag0ny1Does flashing the RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin only take couple seconds?22:19
Venemoag0ny1: yes.22:19
ag0ny1ok :D22:20
SpeedEvilIt's more than a couple22:20
SpeedEvilbut it's under a minute22:20
SpeedEvilwell under22:20
ag0ny1It was done in 10 seconds or something22:20
SpeedEvilbooting takes a considerable time first time22:20
ag0ny1Ah, ok...22:20
ag0ny1So if the flashing command is executed with the -R switch and the device stays connected with the usb/pc booting also works, but takes a considerable time?22:21
ag0ny1I am asking because currently the screen stays black, but the loading led is blinking and the keyboard is lighten up22:22
ag0ny1But nothing else happens :D22:22
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SpeedEvilyes - it takes ages22:24
SpeedEvil5 min?22:24
corecodewhere does your /etc/resolv.conf point to?22:25
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MohammadAGag0ny1, sure it's not in charging mode?22:25
corecodesomehow openconnect-gui must have messed mine up22:25
MohammadAGi.e are the 5 moving circles moving22:25
ag0ny1Why does the wikipage say "Power down the N900, remove battery if necessary to do so " after flashing the emmc image and at the begin says "Do not boot up the device between the two i.e"22:25
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ag0ny1I fear something horrible...22:26
MohammadAGcause you shouldn't boot at all when flashing the eMCM22:26
MohammadAGyou need to flash both images, then boot up22:26
ag0ny1So there is a difference between powering down and rebooting?22:27
MohammadAGno, you shouldn't do any of them between both flashes22:27
ag0ny1Why does the wikipage say something different?22:28
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TamyrlinI remember that the wiki page for updating the firmware was confusing to me as well22:29
ag0ny1After executing "flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f" it says "Text similar to the following will be displayed on the computer: " and then "Power down the N900, remove battery if necessary to do so"22:29
ag0ny1SpeedEvil: I am patiently waiting for another 5 minutes then :D22:29
MohammadAG(cur) (last) 09:05, 19 December 2010 (Talk) (24,160 bytes) (→Flashing the eMMC in the N900) (undo)22:31
TamyrlinCould the wiki page mean that you have to power down the N900 and power it on up so that the flasher will actually start? (IIRC the flasher will wait until you put the device into flashing mode, e.g. power cycle it with USB connector inserted and flasher running on the computer?)22:32
ag0ny1Tamyrlin: The emmc image was flashed already before. So the device was in flashing mode already22:33
ag0ny1Tamyrlin: Also according to the documentation at the wiki page22:33
TamyrlinNot according to the wiki22:33
Tamyrlin"Suitable USB device not found, waiting."22:33
ShadowJKiirc, I started N900 in flashing mode with flasher-3.5 already running. It flashed and exited, then without disconnecting or doing anything to n900 I reran flasher-3.5 again for the other image22:34
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TamyrlinShadowJK: That is what I did as well IIRC22:34
ag0ny1ShadowJK: This is just what I did. But the second image (os) I flashed I added the -R switch to the command22:34
ShadowJKOh yeah I probably did that too22:35
ag0ny1Then I might really have to wait couple minutes22:35
ShadowJKoh yes first startup can take very long22:35
ag0ny1If the keyboard is lighten up, could that mean the system is booting?22:36
ShadowJKit could..22:36
ShadowJKI think I got the normal nokia logo, animated balls, and then it probably went black for a few minutes22:37
ag0ny1Did you remove the usb cable after flashing?22:37
TamyrlinI wonder who decided that it was a clever idea not to display any kind of at that point...22:37
Tamyrlinany kind of message that is22:37
ShadowJKYeah I did remove it22:38
ag0ny1Does the ouput of the flash process look ok for you:
ag0ny1There are 2 flash processes ofc :D22:39
ag0ny1ShadowJK: Before it was booted up?22:39
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ShadowJKI don't think I booted with usb cable connected22:40
ShadowJKbut i dont really remember22:40
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ag0ny1I am waiting now for 15+ minutes..22:41
ag0ny1ShadowJK: Ok22:41
ShadowJKthat's too long22:41
ag0ny1I unplugged it from USB cable now and give it another 5 minutes22:42
ShadowJKis keyboard light still on?22:42
ag0ny1Its off now and the status led does not blink orange anymore22:42
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ag0ny1I think I have sone something wrong22:50
DocScrutinizerI'm not sure if the device needs a second boot after optification22:50
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ag0ny1I pressed the on button now and only get bricks shown as letters and only a gray panel like window22:50
MohammadAGit doesn't22:50
DocScrutinizeron that second boot it may enter act_dead charging22:50
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MohammadAGag0ny1, flash again22:50
ag0ny1Looks like the dialog that appears to enter the pin22:51
MohammadAGdon't follow any sequence, screw it all, just don't use -R22:51
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: reboot22:51
MohammadAGyes, flash again22:51
ShadowJKag0ny1, yeah I'd reflash rootfs (fiasco) image22:51
MohammadAGag0ny1, no, he lost his themes22:51
MohammadAGerr, DocScrutinizer *22:51
ag0ny1How do i reboot?22:51
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ag0ny1Keep the off button pressed?22:51
ShadowJKhold in the powerbutton to shutdown22:51
DocScrutinizerI'd not state anything unless trying a second boot22:51
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MohammadAGI would, he rebooted without flashing the FAISCO22:52
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DocScrutinizeryeah, the flash log he posted looked a bit odd22:52
ag0ny1Ok, I ended up in the same broken dialog as before after a second boot22:53
MohammadAGdidn't see it :p22:53
DocScrutinizerreflash rotfs22:53
DocScrutinizeraka COMBINED22:53
MohammadAGag0ny1, turn off the device, flash the FIASCO with the normal command, without the -R flag, then flash the eMMC again22:53
DocScrutinizerthe second step22:53
MohammadAGhe needs to flash both DocScrutinizer22:53
MohammadAGthe flag that optification was done was set22:54
DocScrutinizererrr wut?22:54
ShadowJKis that flag stored on emmc?22:54
ag0ny1After turning of the device and switching it on with u pressed and then connect to the usb does end up in bright Nokia Logo, with the R&D and USB icons shown22:54
DocScrutinizerso flashing rootfs should work22:54
DocScrutinizer/var is on rootfs22:55
ag0ny1Is that the right state to issue the flashing commands?22:55
ShadowJKyep, sounds like the right state22:55
MohammadAGflash COMBINED image22:55
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ag0ny1I am wondering because the screen is bright and not dark...22:55
MohammadAGthough I'm curious, why did it take time to reboot if no optification was done22:56
MohammadAGag0ny1, doesn't matter, as long as the USB icon is shown22:56
MohammadAGbut why do you have R&D mode on?22:56
ShadowJKMaybe it actually stuck in mass-storage mode or something when usb was connected?22:56
ag0ny1Because I read it..22:56
ShadowJKMohammadAG, he has it on?22:57
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DocScrutinizerdo not enable R&D mode22:57
ag0ny1Ah, ok...can I disable it in the current state of the device?22:57
MohammadAGflasher-3.5 --disable-rd-mode22:57
MohammadAGShadowJK, yes, read his USB icon line22:58
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DocScrutinizerag0ny1: you say you got a second N900 available?22:58
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ag0ny1Ok, the R&D logo disappeared...22:58
ag0ny1DocScrutinizer: Yes22:58
ShadowJKMohammadAG, ah, I missed that22:58
DocScrutinizerok then. No problem with battery22:58
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DocScrutinizerag0ny1: do NOT use -R22:59
ag0ny1Ok. But I flash both images again?22:59
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: flash, the unplug and reboot22:59
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: won't hurt, eh ;-)22:59
ag0ny1Flash both, emmc and Fiasko?22:59
ag0ny1Ill flash emmc first then23:00
ag0ny1And between both flash operations I do nothing with the device?23:00
DocScrutinizerand you don't use -R on both23:00
ag0ny1I got the same weird output when flashing the Fiasko image...23:01
MohammadAGwhat's the output?23:01
ag0ny1Thats the old log with -R, the current one looks the same though23:01
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ShadowJKhm, was -F right for emmc23:02
ag0ny1And there was no progress update shown23:02
ag0ny1It says so at the wiki page...23:03
alteregoCool "A Long Kiss Goodnight"23:03
ShadowJKwhat's the filesize of your images?23:05
ag0ny1About 250 mb (emmc) and 195 mb (Fiasco)23:05
ag0ny1I verfied the md5sums23:06
ag0ny1They were correct23:06
DocScrutinizerI think that's one of the cases where NOLO locks up after flashing eMMC. I'd try to power down the device and flash the COMBINED rootfs img same way again, by booting up and holding "u"23:06
ag0ny1I thought I should NOT reboot between the two flashes?23:07
DocScrutinizeryou STOP boot by holding 'u' key23:07
ag0ny1Ah, ok :D23:07
ShadowJKYeah it should be fine if you enter flashing mode again23:07
DocScrutinizerNOLO bootloader does not boot the system, instead it enters flashing mode23:07
ag0ny1And I power down with the power off button?23:08
DocScrutinizerif that works, then yes23:08
jogaheh, it's funny they call it NOLO23:08
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DocScrutinizerFIASCO is also rather tounge in cheek23:08
ShadowJKit's like as if it didn't flash the os image at all, looking at yor output :/23:08
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: yep, exactly23:09
ag0ny1I got that kind of feeling as well23:09
ShadowJKnolo = embarassed in finnish :P23:09
ag0ny1If power off button is not working, can I remove the battery?23:09
ag0ny1Or what should I do?23:09
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DocScrutinizerthen plug in device without battery, start flasher, nsert bat while holding 'u'23:10
ag0ny1And then I flash the Fiasco image?23:10
DocScrutinizerthen the flasher starts flashing same moment you inser battery23:10
DocScrutinizerif you missed to start it in advance, do that now23:11
ag0ny1Without flashing the emmc image23:11
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ag0ny1I get the same output but with some additional and it is flashing now23:12
ag0ny1Looks good :D23:12
ag0ny1What does CMT stand for?23:12
DocScrutinizerwhen flasher is done, unplug the device23:12
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DocScrutinizerCell Modem Telefone or sth23:13
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DocScrutinizerit's the firmware for GSM23:13
ag0ny1Ah, ok :D23:13
ag0ny1And after unplugging the device?23:13
DocScrutinizerreboot it23:13
alteregoCellular Modem Terminal ?23:13
ag0ny1Like, press the power on button?23:14
DocScrutinizerwhatever it needs23:14
ag0ny1hehe, ok :D23:14
ag0ny1Ah, the moving dots appeared shortly and now the screen is black...23:15
ag0ny1It seems like I got to wait another 5 minutes :D23:15
talineoDocScrutinizer: just to let you know : we (the n810 is her's) decided to flash (I will have some contacts to enter again ...) and try and install kde4 (as she use on her computer and pim suite is known to work)23:15
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talineoDocScrutinizer: I use the n900 battery for the flash and now use the n810 one again23:16
DocScrutinizertalineo: nice :-)23:16
ShadowJKkde4 is kinda heavy on 128M ram though?23:16
DocScrutinizeryeah :-D23:16
talineoShadowJK: this seems to be a version for tablets and the video seems not too slow23:17
talineoand she is willing to test as it would greatly synchronisation23:17
talineogreatly ease *23:17
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jacekowskihmm, have anybody tried booting n900 from sd card23:21
jacekowskibut just sd card23:21
jacekowskiwith empty nand23:21
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DocScrutinizerwhat's "empty" ? I guess you mean "empty rootfs"23:24
ag0ny1Waiting now for 9 minutes...23:24
ag0ny1Nothing happens23:24
DocScrutinizertouch the screen23:24
ShadowJKor the lock slider23:24
ag0ny1nothing happens23:24
DocScrutinizerplug in charger23:25
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lolcatIf I take the TV out cable for the N90023:25
lolcatAnd connect it to a male to female converter23:25
lolcatCan I then separate the mic and the speaker?23:26
crashanddieTV out doesn't have mic, IIRC23:26
crashanddieit does?23:26
ShadowJKit doesn't23:26
lolcatBut the cable goes in the same hole23:26
DocScrutinizerwell, mic and CVBS are same line23:26
ag0ny1After plugging in the charger the nokia logo appeared (dark), the 5 dots appeared shortly and now the screen is black again. But the led is flashing orange (charging)23:26
lolcatAnd I want a cable that lets me use a nromal gamerheadset as a handsfree23:27
DocScrutinizerpower up using powerkey23:27
DocScrutinizerwell, mic of such a headset has to connect to yellow RCIA plug of cable. I'm not too optimistic it will be really compatible though23:28
ag0ny1Nokia logo (light) appeared, the 5 dots appeared, the Nokia logo (dark) appeared, the 5 dots appeared shortly and now the screen is black again...23:28
ag0ny1Again :D23:29
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nas__you can check the status of what n900 detected I think ..23:29
lolcatDocScrutinizer: So yellow = speaker, white = sound? Now that I think about it I am quite certain it doesnt work23:29
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DocScrutinizerwhite and red are left and right earspeaker, yellow is mic23:30
lolcatWonder if it works...23:30
hyper_noober_XLmy root file system is now 10gb. how does that make you feel?23:30
lolcatIs there any professional adapter to do that?23:31
DocScrutinizernot afaik23:31
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: does it say anything, or at least have a dark glow in screen?23:31
hyper_noober_XLis mohhamedg here right now?23:31
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: does it react to lock slider switch, does kbd light up when opened?23:32
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DocScrutinizerhyper_noober_XL: no, but maybe MohammadAG is here23:32
ag0ny1DocScrutinizer: I switch off all light in the room, but the device screen did not glow. The keyboard stay dark as well...23:33
DocScrutinizeryou probably switched it off then, rather than on23:33
hyper_noober_XLthats what i meant!23:33
lolcatThis is SO close:
MohammadAGyou rang?23:33
Gh0styDocScrutinizer: sorry to disturb you but you mentioned somet time ago a tool to take full backups of the n900 (still beta?)23:34
ag0ny1DocScrutinizer: So I turn it on again...23:34
Gh0stycould you relink me? can't find the link anymore23:34
hyper_noober_XLyo mo23:34
hyper_noober_XLthere is a bug in phone-control23:34
DocScrutinizerGh0sty: backup-menu. allegedly the version2 works now23:34
ag0ny1Must the backcover be mounted?23:34
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: not really23:34
hyper_noober_XLwifion and wifioff dont work23:34
hyper_noober_XLthey return an error saying 'wlan0' not found or somthing23:35
Gh0styDocScrutinizer: it was not that ...23:36
hyper_noober_XLi think you have included the apostrophes in your script so ifconfig is looking for 'wlan0' instead of wlan023:36
Gh0stysomething eds backup thingy or something similar/>23:36
hyper_noober_XLya follow?23:36
Gh0sty(just  for completeness ... creating a slideset for a presentation i'm giving next week about n900 & maemo)23:36
ag0ny1Now the 5 dots stay much longer than before. I am asked now for the pin code...23:37
DocScrutinizercan't think of anything different, except you maybe refer to standard osso backup app23:37
ag0ny1And the buttons look normal...the video is shown...23:37
ag0ny1We brought life back to the device....23:37
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Gh0styDocScrutinizer: or it was not you but someone pointed me to some tool on the forum which could make images of the full N900 ...23:37
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Gh0styformat was not compatible with the flasher tool however ...23:38
Gh0styand it was still beta23:38
MohammadAGhyper_noober_XL, hmm23:38
MohammadAGhyper_noober_XL, could be a typo, it was one of my first proper(?) scrripts23:38
ag0ny1The video is shown again...23:39
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hyper_noober_XLi suspect it is23:39
ag0ny1I think it crashed again already after the setup dialog...23:39
VladNistori h8 the new fapman icon :(23:39
ag0ny1and rebooted...23:39
hyper_noober_XLtotally badass script though23:39
DocScrutinizer rather23:39
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ag0ny1Now the system is fully loaded23:39
MohammadAGcoded it while on holiday :P23:39
lolcatIt exsists! Would it work with the N900?23:40
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lolcatHow can it be 14.95?!23:40
DocScrutinizerlolcat: yes23:41
hyper_noober_XLdo you know if the whole wifi draining power when not unloaded bug was fixed?23:41
jogabecause ripping people off is profitable?23:41
MohammadAGhmm, nope23:41
DocScrutinizerhyper_noober_XL: connection manager "fixes" it by powering down the WLAN if not needed23:42
lolcatIt is a 15 cm long speakercable!23:42
DocScrutinizerhyper_noober_XL: there's no real fix for it23:42
lolcatThat is a dollar a cm23:42
hyper_noober_XLso i dont need wifi switcher anymore?23:43
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jogalolcat, heh, that's not bad, check this out
jogabottom line: you can charge whatever people will pay you23:44
lolcatjoga: Seen it a while ago23:44
lolcatLove the commenst though23:44
DocScrutinizerag0ny1: all well now?23:44
lolcatIf I were good with wires Id just buy a long cable from deal extreme and patch it myself...23:45
ag0ny1Do I have to install some graphic driver? The gui is reacting really slow23:45
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DocScrutinizerit will get better when background cruft (named trackerd) has finished hogging resources23:46
DocScrutinizerno driver23:46
ag0ny1ok. Then its about time to find what the cause crashing the device...23:46
DocScrutinizerthis can take up to 30min or more, depending on your data on uSD and MyDocs23:46
ag0ny1Ill run down the list of notes I took before and the list of hrw23:47
ag0ny1DocScrutinizer: Thanks23:47
vi__Soooo, do i still need wifi switcher??23:47
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DocScrutinizervi__: aiui not23:47
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hyper_noober_XLaiui not?23:48
DocScrutinizerWLAN chip is NOT eating batery when associated to a AP and in powersavings mode, or when drivers are unloaded and chip down. AIUI connection manager takes care to reach one of those states most of the time23:48
infobothmm... aiui is As I Understand It23:49
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Gh0styDocScrutinizer: indeed it was backupmenu23:49
Gh0stybut there is backupmenu and backup-menu ? :p23:50
DocScrutinizerif however you are running apps like wifi-eye, then odds are your battery is empty after 3h23:50
Gh0styor is it the same? :/23:50
DocScrutinizerI guess it's the same23:50
DocScrutinizermaybe V1 and V223:50
DocScrutinizerV1 is STRONGLY deprecated23:51
hyper_noober_XLso, my original question still i still need wifi switcher?23:51
DocScrutinizerhyper_noober_XL: didn't I answer that with "no"?23:51
lolcatDocScrutinizer: Maybe he wants a full sentence...23:53
DocScrutinizerhmm, obviously not. So the answer is "probably you do not need wifi switcher anymore"23:53
lolcathyper_noober_XL: No, you do not need wifi switcher.23:53
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* nomis does not get what this apt-worker is doing with all the cpu time.23:55
MohammadAGnomis, dirty things behind closed doors23:56
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DocScrutinizerprobably it's not apt-worker but actually apt-get updating cache and database23:57
nomisDocScrutinizer: dunno, top shows apt-worker as the guilty one.23:58
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* nomis does not get what the problem is that other people have with my tvbgone-applet.23:59

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