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| Venemo_N900 | is it NP-complete to determine whether a graph is planar | 00:13 |
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| Venemo_N900 | ? | 00:13 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, you evidently haven't interacted with enough priests. | 00:17 |
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| GAN900 | luke-jr, what? :P | 00:44 |
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| luke-jr | GAN900: slandering clergy | 00:45 |
| BCMM | who hasn't? | 00:50 |
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| GAN900 | luke-jr, not as a whole, just they're no less prone to scumbaggery than anybody else. | 01:07 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, let me talk to use about the tax exempt codes they just redid because of all the minister's using it for personal purchases. ;) | 01:09 |
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| crashanddie_ | GAN900: got the dough? | 01:10 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie_, indeed I did, thanks! | 01:13 |
| crashanddie_ | thank you | 01:14 |
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| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> crashanddie, crashanddie_ ping | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | fucking freenode | 01:17 |
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| crashanddie_ | oh | 01:17 |
| PaulyN900 | hi i think my usb port is broke on n900 | 01:17 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: I don't get highlighted if my nickname isn't the first thing on a sentence | 01:17 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: so "hey crashanddie_" wouldn't HL me | 01:18 |
| PaulyN900 | any1 using n900 on tmobile | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, working portrait mode and list numbering, sorta | 01:18 |
| crashanddie_ | screen? | 01:18 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, first of all, I thought about button positions | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | bottom was awkward, top was too retarded, so I opted for middle | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | I left the labels at the bottom, since you won't be clicking those | 01:20 |
| crashanddie_ | sure | 01:20 |
| crashanddie_ | so are the buttons horizontal or vertical? | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | making the two widgets for portrait and landscape mode wasn't easy, had to use a 37" HDTV | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | horizontal | 01:21 |
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| crashanddie_ | how does the volume bar show? | 01:21 |
| crashanddie_ | horizontal or vertical? | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | there's a built in one in maemo, so I removed it | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | I was planning for it to be vertical | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | (sorta like Symbian^3) | 01:22 |
| crashanddie_ | nha, we need it | 01:22 |
| crashanddie_ | I hate having to go to the system menu to lower volume | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | err? | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | you have HW buttons | 01:22 |
| crashanddie_ | sucks | 01:22 |
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| MohammadAG | I'll see about it then, but it's going to be vertical in portrait | 01:23 |
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| crashanddie_ | yeah that's fine | 01:23 |
| crashanddie_ | so you've got the CD picture on top, information on the bottom, and controls in the middle? | 01:23 |
| crashanddie_ | and when you hit the vol control button, the slider appears, in vertical mode | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | sec, firefox crashed | 01:24 |
| crashanddie_ | possibly covering a bit of the image / labels | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | well, I could add the bar to the layout, so the image actually moves/resizes instead of being covered | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | pixelpipe's being retarded, as always | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | council thread become a troll fair | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | fare eve | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | n | 01:26 |
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| GAN900 | One of many reasons why we love achipa: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=892801&postcount=58 | 01:27 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: I still don't know what happened on that thread that forced me to basically defend qgil | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | I thought he'd be pissed about the Qt implementation using the same UI, but he actually thanked the post with screenshots | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, http://i54.tinypic.com/2jg8853.jpg | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | 76/516 is populated from the list FYI | 01:31 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: I doubt he will react badly to you cloning the Nokia UI. | 01:31 |
| javispedro | would be a new low. | 01:32 |
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| javispedro | ah, an answer! | 01:32 |
| * javispedro prepares the troll machine | 01:32 | |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, song list: http://i54.tinypic.com/4s1nhl.jpg | 01:32 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: put the labels about 80px higher, and 30 px more centre | 01:32 |
| smooph | DocScrutinizer remember me and my flashing problem because of low battery status? | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | and of course, what cannot be a clone, the main page in portrait mode, http://i51.tinypic.com/2gwi1ip.jpg | 01:33 |
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| smooph | I flashed my device http://pastebin.ca/2015190 but I still get Installing Software Update Please do not interrupt. | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | my N900's kinda snappy | 01:36 |
| smooph | can somebody help me | 01:36 |
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| MohammadAG | could be because I replaced /usr/libexec/apt-worker with a script echoing crap | 01:36 |
| smooph | I want to completely set it back to shipping condition | 01:36 |
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| MohammadAG | Settings > clear device | 01:37 |
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| smooph1 | is it not the correct flashing command? | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, :P http://i53.tinypic.com/25ew96a.jpg | 01:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ QDateTime? :) | 01:40 |
| crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp: wouldn't call myself familiar, but I dated the bitch a couple times | 01:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll take that | 01:43 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie_: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/882667 sources + mods; http://pastebin.mozilla.org/882668 - locals | 01:44 |
| crashanddie_ | ask thy question, brethren. | 01:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | what would 49710 days be, and where would it come from? | 01:45 |
| javispedro | GAN900: (re atilla's post) you gotta love google's hatred of the affero gpl | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | the more code I add to Qt, the more the binary size decreases | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | wtf is with that ^ | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | I started at 2.5MBs, then 2.0, then 1.5, now it's 1.1MBs | 01:46 |
| crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp: 49710 days = 4,294,944,000 seconds | 01:47 |
| timeless_mbp | ok... | 01:47 |
| crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp: 32bit int maximum: 4,294,967,295 | 01:47 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 01:47 |
| timeless_mbp | cute | 01:47 |
| crashanddie_ | just a thought | 01:48 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i'll buy that | 01:48 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so... | 01:48 |
| timeless_mbp | any idea where that would come from? | 01:48 |
| crashanddie_ | i dunno, what's your code do? | 01:48 |
| timeless_mbp | it shows a progress meter and tells me time remaining | 01:49 |
| javispedro | hum | 01:49 |
| javispedro | what are you trying to do there? | 01:49 |
| javispedro | I mean | 01:49 |
| javispedro | refTime.setTime_t(0) does ... ? | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | the old code would show 1s, ... 55s | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | after 55s, it'd show 0 mins | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | which is um.. unfortunate | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qdatetime.html#setTime_t | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | (0) sets the date to 1970 | 01:50 |
| javispedro | so you're setting that to the unix epoch | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | note: this isn't my code | 01:50 |
| javispedro | and then counting days until god knows when? | 01:50 |
| javispedro | ah | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | the delta is mine, but it isn't working | 01:51 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, simple answer, wait the 136 years or so for your download to finish :P | 01:51 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 01:52 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:52 |
| timeless_mbp | note: not a download | 01:52 |
| timeless_mbp | technically it's an upload | 01:52 |
| timeless_mbp | about 1gb from local disk to ram | 01:52 |
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| javispedro | maybe GetTimeRemaining() returns time in nanoseconds in a uint64_t =) | 01:53 |
| crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp: what's the value of newTime? | 01:53 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie_: dunno? | 01:54 |
| timeless_mbp | info locals doesn't show it (you have that) | 01:54 |
| crashanddie_ | aye | 01:54 |
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| crashanddie_ | but it's a local var, why doesn't it show up? | 01:54 |
| timeless_mbp | optimizers... | 01:54 |
| javispedro | it does show time, though | 01:54 |
| javispedro | "time", I mean. | 01:54 |
| javispedro | and the value makes no sense | 01:55 |
| javispedro | timeless_mbp: hey, I was joking, but the value seems to be a uint64_t for some reason | 01:56 |
| javispedro | so that could be even right | 01:56 |
| crashanddie_ | methinks it's your days value that's f'd up | 01:56 |
| crashanddie_ | int days = refTime.daysTo(time); | 01:56 |
| crashanddie_ | int hours = time.addDays(-days).time().hour(); | 01:56 |
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| crashanddie_ | QString strDays = VBoxGlobal::daysToString(days); | 01:56 |
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| * timeless_mbp wonders where CProgress comes from | 01:57 | |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, which language is this and can that return -ve "m_progress.GetTimeRemaining();" which is kinda what you are seeing | 01:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | call m_progress.GetTimeRemaining() | 01:57 |
| timeless_mbp | $10 = -1 | 01:57 |
| javispedro | tadaaaaaaaaaaaa | 01:58 |
| javispedro | play the sad violins no | 01:58 |
| javispedro | w | 01:58 |
| * timeless_mbp gives lcuk a prize | 01:58 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so clearly the code shouldn't do anything for that case | 01:58 |
| lcuk | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/3.0/qdatetime.html#setTime_t | 01:58 |
| lcuk | notice it takes a uint | 01:58 |
| lcuk | in the function you use it for later | 01:58 |
| javispedro | oh, taking an int is stupid on Qt's part. | 01:58 |
| crashanddie_ | hey, I found the 32bit overflow thing on first look | 01:59 |
| crashanddie_ | and I'm not getting a prize? :( | 01:59 |
| lcuk | ignoring the warning on build time ;) | 01:59 |
| javispedro | haven't they read about the year2038 effect? ;) | 01:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | s/lcuk/crashanddie_/ | 02:00 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry | 02:00 |
| lcuk | crashanddie_, yeah you correctly highlighted that the daycount was close enough to 32b | 02:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, new locals | 02:02 |
| timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/882692 | 02:02 |
| timeless_mbp | so, now it thinks it's going to take a day | 02:03 |
| timeless_mbp | which is also not really the right expected result | 02:03 |
| timeless_mbp | (it should take 2-4 minutes, but initially the estimate is lame and closer to 5s slowly trending up until it gets less stupid) | 02:03 |
| timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/882693 has the other defines... | 02:04 |
| javispedro | tbh I would not use QDateTime for the task... | 02:05 |
| javispedro | because from looking at the description it looks like it does implement TZ stuff | 02:05 |
| javispedro | and plain /3600 would be faster... | 02:05 |
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| * timeless_mbp ponders | 02:06 | |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 02:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure why this code does any of the stuff it's doing | 02:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | i wrote code which does something like this for mercurial | 02:06 |
| timeless_mbp | but i did all the math by hand | 02:06 |
| timeless_mbp | because it didn't make any sense to do fancy stuff like this | 02:06 |
| timeless_mbp | (my math worked, this stuff is wonky) | 02:06 |
| timeless_mbp | the fact that it calls time.addDays(-days) repeatedly is hardly an endorsement | 02:07 |
| lcuk | how often is this refreshed? once every ~second? | 02:08 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly | 02:08 |
| * timeless_mbp hasn't looked at the event call | 02:08 | |
| javispedro | lcuk: it's not only a performance issue, but complexity one | 02:09 |
| javispedro | EVEN if there were no weird interactions with that code and timezones, | 02:09 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, there's both | 02:09 |
| lcuk | sure | 02:09 |
| javispedro | it wouldn't allow me to sleep :) | 02:09 |
| lcuk | its just general code | 02:09 |
| * timeless_mbp is writing out the standard math flavor now | 02:09 | |
| timeless_mbp | s/its/it's/ | 02:09 |
| * lcuk has implemented similar in past | 02:09 | |
| timeless_mbp | my progress code for mercurial which does stuff like this should land today/tomorrow | 02:10 |
| lcuk | \o thanks. | 02:10 |
| timeless_mbp | so i've done stuff like this... | 02:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | kinda amusing to touch the same sort of progress code in two projects coincidentally at the same time | 02:10 |
| lcuk | you think about them and notice them more | 02:11 |
| javispedro | time.... :) | 02:11 |
| lcuk | http://pastebin.ca/2015208 :P | 02:13 |
| lcuk | 21/November/2005! | 02:13 |
| timeless_mbp | pastebin.ca is incredibly slow | 02:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 02:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/882719 | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | is what i tend to do | 02:15 |
| lcuk | javispedro, vb.net? nay this was classic vb | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i know you can use % | 02:15 |
| javispedro | lcuk: exactly =) | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | but i don't like repeating division | 02:16 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, | 02:16 |
| lcuk | please ensure all -ve numbers are account for. | 02:16 |
| timeless_mbp | instead of just -1? | 02:17 |
| * javispedro prefer's lcuk version. easier to read. (but then this is trivial so not a problem) | 02:17 | |
| lcuk | since you are using signed variables, your math will mess up if you get something else. | 02:17 |
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| * timeless_mbp nods | 02:18 | |
| timeless_mbp | ooh, 4 hours, 30 minutes remianing | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | 3 hours, 31 minutes | 02:18 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if the estimate will get under 1 hour | 02:18 | |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | 2:20 | 02:19 |
| javispedro | oh, I wrote "prefer's" :( | 02:19 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | 2 hours, 0 minutes remaining | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so, something's wrong :( | 02:20 |
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| crashanddie_ | night all | 02:20 |
| javispedro | gnite crashanddie_ | 02:21 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, that's just a branch of the code that's missing | 02:21 |
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| javispedro | time to add some music albums to my N900. 4 new ones. I'm using stock Tracker. Anyone wants to bet how many album art will be recognized? =) | 02:22 |
| javispedro | I bet 1 out of 4. | 02:22 |
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| luke-jr | GAN900: scumbaggery is for non-Christians | 02:23 |
| * timeless_mbp complains about a missing something in <many album art> | 02:23 | |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: s/art/covers/ ? | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | pah | 02:23 |
| javispedro | timeless_mbp: yep | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: yu just need to optify your mp3 files | 02:25 |
| javispedro | I think you meant javispedro ;) | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, now the code actually works | 02:26 |
| * timeless_mbp likes | 02:26 | |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, thanks guys | 02:28 |
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| nszeek | Any chance for me to get some help with my nokia n900 and wifi here ? | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps. | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Your chances might rise if you specified your actual problem. | 02:37 |
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| nszeek | SpeedEvil: Was just making sure I was in the right place. Here's what's happening: I am able to connect to WEP networks but not WPA-PSK ones. It just tries to connect, fails and ask for me to input the pre-shared key again and again. | 02:38 |
| nszeek | I tryed to update the system (using WPE for the downloads) and it didn't work after that. | 02:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm - works here. | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I've not investigated it furtuer for that reason | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone else have a clue/ | 02:39 |
| nszeek | Are you using TKIP or AES ? | 02:39 |
| nszeek | also ... WPA or WPA2 ? | 02:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | completely deleting the connection and then configuring it new - might help | 02:43 |
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| nszeek | DocScrutinizer: Did that several times already. Also configured it using the "wizard" (search for a connection) and by hand (inputing all the data). | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 02:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | make absolutely sure you're using the correct key (No passphrase) | 02:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | key must not contain quite a number of weird ascii chars | 02:46 |
| nszeek | DocScrutinizer: I am using the pre-shared key for sure. I checked it within the router and on my notebook's configuration. They check out. | 02:46 |
| nszeek | DocScrutinizer: Yes, it's a plain alpha-numeric password. | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | nszeek: pairwise_cipher=TKIP group_cipher=TKIP key_mgmt=WPA-PSK | 02:51 |
| nszeek | SpeedEvil: yeah, I have the same configuration here. | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I did nothing special | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | just added the key | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | well - the unusual bit would be that I have a static IP | 02:52 |
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| nszeek | SpeedEvil: I tryed that as well. Setting a static IP for the phone and adding the pair MAC-IP to the router didn't work either. | 02:52 |
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| johnx | mornin' all | 03:46 |
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| nomis | fun bugs with IR: This command blocks until interrupted (IR-LED switched on): echo -ne "\x01\x00\x00\x00" > /dev/lirc0 | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Is the power kernel deinstallation instructions in the wiki still valid, or does the app-manager work now? | 04:09 |
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| DangerMaus | dose anyone know if there are any irc clients that have SASL by default meaning not have to add a script for the n900? | 04:18 |
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| johnx | hallo b-man` | 04:39 |
| johnx | how's your world? | 04:39 |
| b-man` | heh, I've been fine :) | 04:41 |
| b-man` | I've had two arduinos arrive today for some mesh-networking prototyping :) | 04:41 |
| * luke-jr needs a power-router… | 04:42 | |
| luke-jr | any ideas? | 04:42 |
| luke-jr | ideally something like fit-PC2i, but cheaper | 04:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | A power-router? | 04:54 |
| * SpeedEvil has a 1200W 12mm spindle one. | 04:54 | |
| SpeedEvil | That's quite powerful. | 04:54 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: yeah, like more than 8 MB RAM | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | 512 would be ok | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | 1 GB+ ideal | 04:55 |
| SpeedEvil | pogoplug | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | uses too much power | 04:55 |
| SpeedEvil | 4w? | 04:55 |
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| Termana | good morning | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: 20w | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | or is pogoplug some stripped down version? | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Pogoplug is not a PC | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | I'm assuming it's like GuruPlug and uses a (relative) ton of power | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PogoPlug-Cloud-Engines-Personal-Cloud-Sharing-Device-/260703826536?pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item3cb328b268 | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It's about 4W | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | If you add a HD, it's more of course | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | A router to do what? | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | I can't find specs | 04:58 |
| SpeedEvil | The NICs may also want juice | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | to route 2 independent networks with a single WAN interface, plus phones | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | possibly plus torrents | 04:58 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.pogoplugged.com/forum/thread/12156/CPU-and-RAM-in-the-updated-Pogoplug./ | 04:59 |
| SpeedEvil | what sort of networks? | 04:59 |
| luke-jr | Ethernet | 04:59 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.pogoplugged.com/forum/thread/12156/CPU-and-RAM-in-the-updated-Pogoplug./ I meant | 05:00 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: … it doesn't say | 05:00 |
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| luke-jr | in fact, it looks like the company is intentionally hiding it | 05:00 |
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| Pauly | hi hello anyone have n900 on t-mobile usa? | 05:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug | 05:02 |
| Pauly | my usb socket came out of my n900 today | 05:03 |
| Pauly | so sad | 05:03 |
| luke-jr | Pauly: I do. | 05:03 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: Sheeva uses liek 20W | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Where are you getting that number? | 05:04 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: dunno | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: That sounds unlikely - from the architecture, and the more likely numbers of 2.3W idle on wikipedia and 7W 100% CPU | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | 20W is likely if you plug a desktop drive in | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | http://ahsoftware.de/dockstar/ | 05:06 |
| SpeedEvil | also | 05:06 |
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| luke-jr | Power input: 100-240VAC/50-60Hz Max. 20W | 05:06 |
| luke-jr | from GuruPlug specs | 05:07 |
| luke-jr | Sheeva is just low-end GuruPlug | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | right. That's a power supply spec, which is never real | 05:07 |
| Pauly | wow thats awesome never seen anything like that | 05:08 |
| luke-jr | they also don't have any stock : | 05:08 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 05:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - that will be with the hard drive plugged in | 05:08 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 05:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.computingplugs.com/index.php/SheevaPlug_Performance | 05:11 |
| SpeedEvil | kill-a-watt | 05:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | after the sheevaplug fried the internal PSU i hooked up an external supply and measured consumption on the secondary (5V) side. idle with SD Card: 0.35A + connected ethernet: 0.4A | 05:13 |
| luke-jr | I don't see why buy Sheeva… Guru is only $30 more for much better… | 05:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not saying du | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | do | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just identical hardware pretty much - with different peripherals, so power consumption figures are going to be near-identical | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | right | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | wonder if I can power the HD on/off from the system | 05:18 |
| SpeedEvil | hdparm | 05:23 |
| luke-jr | hdparm only worked with /dev/hdX | 05:27 |
| luke-jr | which are obsolete with SATA | 05:27 |
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| ShadowJK | it works with sata for me | 05:35 |
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| ShadowJK | and with usb, sometimes | 05:35 |
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| comawhite | anyone know if the n900 works on the virgin mobile in the us? | 06:16 |
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| Termana | comawhite, it doesn't, Virgin Mobile USA is owned by Sprint and operates on their CDMA-based network | 06:19 |
| comawhite | fuck!!!!!! | 06:19 |
| Termana | T-Mobile is your best bet for compatibility in the US | 06:20 |
| comawhite | they want $99.99 for unlimited everything | 06:20 |
| comawhite | SimpleMobile wants $60 unlimited everything | 06:20 |
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| comawhite | I hope the next version after the N900 it supports a lot more providers | 06:21 |
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| comawhite | I need to see if I can get $250 to buy this N900 | 06:23 |
| comawhite | I just really want it for the internet and applications, I have no one to call | 06:24 |
| comawhite | ooo Germany $0.02 a minute | 06:25 |
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| Gh0sty | hello | 06:43 |
| Gh0sty | anyone around? :) | 06:43 |
| PhonicUK | sorta | 06:49 |
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| comawhite | if I get my n900, can I do the development without the sdk or do I have to have the sdk? Because I heard both ways | 06:53 |
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| Gh0sty | comawhite: you can work on the device itself (through a shell) | 06:55 |
| Gh0sty | or with the SDK you can run a sorta virtual n900 on your linux or windows pc | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | comawhite: be aware that the preinstalled OS, Maemo, is dead | 06:55 |
| Gh0sty | ah you already consider it dead now luke-jr ? | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | it's been dead for a while | 06:56 |
| comawhite | what you mean? | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | comawhite: Nokia has decided to abandon the platform | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | and if a company asks them about writing software for it, Nokia tells them not to bother | 06:57 |
| Gh0sty | that is official? or your interpretation? :) | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: it's happened | 06:58 |
| ieatlint | well, to be more clear, maemo has reached end of life as they move onto meego, which will contain parts of maemo | 06:58 |
| ieatlint | if someone asks nokia about writing apps for maemo, they'll be told to write qt apps, which should work on maemo and meego | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: and won't support N900 really | 06:58 |
| ieatlint | correct, there will never be a supported meego release for the n900 | 06:58 |
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| Gh0sty | if you guys tell it that way i'm kinda sorry i bought the device in the end :( | 06:59 |
| ieatlint | and with pedantic exceptions, no, you cannot develop for maemo on the phone itself -- the phone does not include the sdk | 06:59 |
| Gh0sty | i love the openness of it | 06:59 |
| ieatlint | or any toolchain in which to build apps | 06:59 |
| Gh0sty | but now we're stuck in the twilight zone | 06:59 |
| ieatlint | (exceptions being things like perl, or python based applications, which require no build toolchain) | 06:59 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: what openness? | 06:59 |
| luke-jr | Maemo is 'open' like Windows/Mac are 'open' | 07:00 |
| ieatlint | heh, hardly... there are large parts of maemo that is open | 07:00 |
| ieatlint | and several parts that aren't | 07:00 |
| luke-jr | less than 50% | 07:00 |
| ieatlint | dunno about that, but i don't have any specific figures to quote | 07:01 |
| luke-jr | and there are crucial parts that are closed | 07:01 |
| ieatlint | anyway, the community isn't dead, the phone is functional, and if you want to do development for meego handsets in the future, it's the best device to have right now | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | the platform is dead. | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | without a platform, there's nothing to run apps on | 07:03 |
| Gh0sty | actually funny ... DocScrutinizer and you were I tought mostly on the same line in the past | 07:03 |
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| Gh0sty | now DocScrutinizer is still preaching the maemo platform and you are completely calling it dead | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | still preaching it how? | 07:04 |
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| luke-jr | it can't go anywhere without Nokia because it's closed | 07:04 |
| merlincorey | there's no reason you won't be able to continue to run applications on the n900 including new applications; things will just go through different channels and methods | 07:04 |
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| merlincorey | it's going to be harder, for sure | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | merlincorey: you can't run apps without a platform. | 07:05 |
| merlincorey | but it's not like you have a bum device if you have an n900 | 07:05 |
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| * luke-jr ponders | 07:05 | |
| ieatlint | luke-jr: you're being melodramatic :P | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | I suppose if you forego 3D, you can still use N900 without Nokia | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | so not as bad as N8x0 :p | 07:05 |
| ieatlint | the phone has been out over a year... it's pretty standard for support to wane after a year | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: N900 isn't supposed to be a phone ;) | 07:06 |
| ieatlint | but what makes maemo great is not patches from nokia to the base system, but the community and its applications | 07:06 |
| ieatlint | you're arguing an extremely pedantic point there :P | 07:06 |
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| luke-jr | it's pretty standard to cease using any OS once there's no maintenance | 07:07 |
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| luke-jr | otherwise you're open to known exploits | 07:07 |
| Gh0sty | isnt there a chance they would be willing to open up more? :/ | 07:07 |
| ieatlint | are you trying to argue that people shouldn't use maemo because security holes could potentially crop up at some unknown point? | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | comawhite: if you can get N900 for $250, it might still be worth it | 07:08 |
| ieatlint | Gh0sty: there's been rumour, but nothing more... | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: I'd be surprised if there aren't already known holes unpatched in Maemo | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: no | 07:08 |
| Gh0sty | perhaps we could organise ourselves with a sortof official request? | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: what do they care? they already have our money | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | or your money | 07:09 |
| Gh0sty | not yours? :p | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: anyhow, it isn't Nokia you need to pester on N900 | 07:09 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr: well, i can't say i track it that well, but i personally am not aware of any remote exploits on the phone | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | no, I didn't buy N900 | 07:09 |
| Gh0sty | ah you still have an 8x ? | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: AFAIK, the biggest remaining problem for N900 is ImgTec's SGX | 07:09 |
| merlincorey | also, it looks like the n900 will support meego in some way shape or form | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: yes | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | Nokia *does* have my money for N810 :/ | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | but N900 made up for it i guess | 07:10 |
| Gh0sty | luke-jr: the graphics chip or what is that? | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: yes, graphics | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | merlincorey: not *really* | 07:10 |
| Gh0sty | why because the hardware isnt capable? | 07:10 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, well, nokia's hands are tied on the graphics chip i bet | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: ? | 07:10 |
| Gh0sty | or because of the manufacturer wants it closed? | 07:10 |
| merlincorey | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: hence why I said he needs to bug ImgTec :p | 07:10 |
| ieatlint | no way is the manufacturer going to let them open up their driver | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: what's the question? | 07:10 |
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| ieatlint | even openmoko never had an open source graphics accelerated driver | 07:11 |
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| Gh0sty | the problem is the graphics you say | 07:11 |
| Gh0sty | but is the problem that the graphics driver is not open | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: I think it does, as of very recently. | 07:11 |
| Gh0sty | or that the grahics is not capable of rendering whatever they want for meego? | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: it's not open | 07:12 |
| ieatlint | haha, really? | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: I recall reading something like that | 07:12 |
| ieatlint | that's pretty funny | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | tbh, I haven't had much time lately to mess w/ it | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | swamped w/ paying work | 07:12 |
| ieatlint | i remember raster gettings the docs for it under nda, and insisting that it was such a crappy chip it wouldn't be worth him trying to do anything | 07:12 |
| Gh0sty | ok but the hardware is capable of doing 3D if the software was there? | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | ☹ | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: obviously, Maemo uses it for 3D | 07:13 |
| ieatlint | Gh0sty: yes, the phone can do some 3d rendering... | 07:13 |
| ieatlint | 2d acceleration is just as important though | 07:13 |
| ieatlint | more important, really | 07:13 |
| * luke-jr wonders if omapfb accelerates N900 | 07:13 | |
| luke-jr | comawhite: so what exactly do you need a handheld for? | 07:15 |
| comawhite | well so I can land a better job since a lot more jobs require maemo knowledge, etc | 07:18 |
| comawhite | but apparently I can get the $250 to buy one | 07:18 |
| comawhite | :( | 07:18 |
| comawhite | can't* | 07:18 |
| Gh0sty | too bad I paid $500 for it :( | 07:18 |
| Gh0sty | but the device is pretty sturdy and nevertheless I kinda like it ... :) | 07:19 |
| comawhite | i wish i could get my hands on one | 07:19 |
| Gh0sty | just buy it | 07:20 |
| luke-jr | comawhite: never heard of any job asking for Maemo experience… | 07:20 |
| comawhite | Qt jobs | 07:20 |
| luke-jr | Qt, yes. Maemo, no. | 07:20 |
| luke-jr | Maemo isn't even Qt-based. | 07:20 |
| Gh0sty | $250 is pretty cheap for what you get | 07:20 |
| comawhite | I know it's based on crappy gtk | 07:20 |
| luke-jr | $250 is a pretty good deal for N900. | 07:20 |
| comawhite | i know | 07:20 |
| Gh0sty | and anyway despite the software perhaps being eol ... afterwards I still see me using the device as a pocket PC | 07:21 |
| comawhite | but I can't get the $250 for it | 07:21 |
| luke-jr | … | 07:21 |
| luke-jr | $250 isn't much | 07:21 |
| comawhite | well im broke | 07:21 |
| luke-jr | so work an extra hour each day for a week or maybe 2? | 07:21 |
| Gh0sty | get from behind your screen and go to your local mall and earn em! | 07:21 |
| Gh0sty | luke-jr: you're assuming he has a job :p | 07:22 |
| comawhite | luke-jr, if i had a job | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: that was implied by lookign for a *better* job | 07:22 |
| comawhite | trying to land one right now, waiting for them to call me | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | comawhite: just write Qt on your desktop then | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | except pretend your screen is tiny | 07:22 |
| Gh0sty | comawhite: if you want to play with it | 07:22 |
| Gh0sty | just install the SDK | 07:22 |
| Gh0sty | and play with it | 07:23 |
| comawhite | luke-jr, well, i could get a job if i want to work at mickies, by better job i mean a programming job | 07:23 |
| luke-jr | comawhite: KDE doesn't pay well? | 07:23 |
| Gh0sty | and while you're at it write some docu around the SDK cause last time I tried to install it ... it felt messy | 07:23 |
| * luke-jr ducks | 07:23 | |
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| Gh0sty | strange | 07:24 |
| comawhite | luke-jr, isn't commercial | 07:24 |
| luke-jr | actually, while I'm utterly annoyed at the poor quality of KDE lately, I bet HR reps would see it as a good thing on a resume | 07:24 |
| Gh0sty | I always figured programmers got taken out on sight | 07:24 |
| Gh0sty | system engineering jobs like mine however tool longer to find one ... | 07:24 |
| Gh0sty | yeah a lot of MS engineers but I don't even want to get started at such a thing :p | 07:24 |
| comawhite | i have my app on kde, would love to make a maemo port | 07:25 |
| Gh0sty | even looking at win* makes the machine go crazy | 07:25 |
| Gh0sty | install the SDK then! | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | comawhite: I hope you're not responsible for that Nepomuk or Akonadi crap >:P | 07:25 |
| comawhite | I am | 07:25 |
| Gh0sty | and you have a virtual n900 | 07:25 |
| comawhite | i have* | 07:25 |
| comawhite | luke-jr, naw I never touched it :P | 07:25 |
| Gh0sty | comawhite: how are your programming skills? | 07:25 |
| comawhite | quite good | 07:25 |
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| Gh0sty | look if you wanna earn some money | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: /whois comawhite | 07:25 |
| comawhite | do freelance? | 07:26 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: he's a KDE dev, plenty of good experience there | 07:26 |
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| Gh0sty | lol :P | 07:26 |
| Gh0sty | how the hell can he be without job then :x | 07:26 |
| luke-jr | and he hasn't even touched the parts of KDE that suck terribly | 07:26 |
| comawhite | lack of commercial experience | 07:26 |
| comawhite | and lack of uni degree | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | comawhite: do they seriously ask you whether you get paid for work on your resume? | 07:27 |
| Gh0sty | I'd like an app for a long time ... | 07:27 |
| comawhite | luke-jr, eh? | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | comawhite: just list all your real experience on your resume, commercial or not | 07:27 |
| Gh0sty | and I'm even prepared as to pay lets say ... 30 eur to get it? :) | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: LOL | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | 30 eur is like an hour | 07:28 |
| Gh0sty | I know its not much ... :/ | 07:28 |
| Gh0sty | but since he says he does not even have the money for an n900 ... | 07:28 |
| Gh0sty | all bits can help? :p | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | 30 eur won't get a N900 :p | 07:28 |
| comawhite | projects, commercial work, languages (speaking), and references | 07:28 |
| Gh0sty | a dollar a day gets you a millionaire | 07:28 |
| comawhite | in a million days | 07:28 |
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| Gh0sty | what I am looking for however is not that easy | 07:29 |
| luke-jr | when you're 2737 years old, if you never spend it | 07:29 |
| Gh0sty | or nobody tought of it yet | 07:29 |
| Gh0sty | not sure | 07:29 |
| Gh0sty | on my symbian I had an application | 07:29 |
| Gh0sty | where you could "save" cell towers | 07:29 |
| Gh0sty | then you could define action when you entered that cell | 07:30 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: was going to say… pretty sure Maemo is too closed for that. | 07:30 |
| Gh0sty | for example: I saved the couple of cells near our cinema in town | 07:30 |
| luke-jr | but I think that might just barely be within the realm of possibility | 07:30 |
| Gh0sty | when I came near the cinema my cellphone went from general to meeting profile | 07:30 |
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| Gh0sty | this combined with the current functionality of alarmed ... | 07:31 |
| luke-jr | actually, if cellmo was a little more open, we might be able to do vague triangulation from cell towers :/ | 07:31 |
| Gh0sty | would make hell of an application: | 07:31 |
| luke-jr | erk | 07:31 |
| Gh0sty | I would like to do things like: | 07:31 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: just use GPS | 07:31 |
| luke-jr | cuz I don't think you can find the cell tower id without GPS :/ | 07:32 |
| Gh0sty | when I am currently at home and the time is 22h shut down the cell modem | 07:32 |
| Gh0sty | when I am however not yet home leave it on until I get home ... | 07:32 |
| Gh0sty | luke-jr: my E65 does not have gps | 07:32 |
| Gh0sty | it just saved the cell tower ID I guess it gets over the cell network? | 07:33 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: btw, if you leave GPS enabled on N900 it will lock up pretty often ;) | 07:33 |
| luke-jr | N900 doesn't tell you the cell tower ID unless you turn GPS on | 07:33 |
| Gh0sty | yes thats why anyway gps is not what I ask :P | 07:33 |
| Gh0sty | how is that possible? :/ | 07:33 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: N900 has 2 CPUs | 07:33 |
| Gh0sty | an E65 without gps can do more then an n900? :p | 07:33 |
| luke-jr | one of them controls the phone/GPS stuff | 07:34 |
| Gh0sty | your cell radio needs to know which cell it's connected? | 07:34 |
| luke-jr | it's 100% closed | 07:34 |
| Gh0sty | or there comes in the ugly closed parts? | 07:34 |
| luke-jr | not only closed, but also DRM | 07:34 |
| Gh0sty | :/ | 07:35 |
| Gh0sty | doesnt the n900 already have apps which can give cell tower information ... | 07:35 |
| Gh0sty | (not that I checked them) | 07:35 |
| luke-jr | sure, so long as the GPS is on | 07:35 |
| luke-jr | but then you might as well use the GPS | 07:35 |
| luke-jr | which drains the battery, and crashes the graphics driver | 07:36 |
| Gh0sty | luke-jr: so negative ... :P | 07:36 |
| luke-jr | just saying the reality of it :P | 07:36 |
| Gh0sty | yeah ok but a bit more constructive way would be appreciated | 07:36 |
| * luke-jr wonders if you can get teh cell info by just turning it on for a split-second | 07:36 | |
| Gh0sty | you made your point ok maemo is dead and so on but ... :p | 07:36 |
| luke-jr | and just turn it on-then-off every 5 min | 07:37 |
| Gh0sty | thats what I was also thinking ... | 07:37 |
| Gh0sty | despite the fact its not that good if a split second would give this information | 07:37 |
| Gh0sty | and a 5 min interval is ok | 07:38 |
| luke-jr | yes, you can | 07:38 |
| Gh0sty | its not like it's critical on the minute | 07:38 |
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| Gh0sty | but anyway here comes my problem ... | 07:38 |
| Gh0sty | I am a systems guy :p | 07:38 |
| Gh0sty | not a developer :) | 07:38 |
| Gh0sty | so unless somebody is willing to write something it will never exist :P | 07:38 |
| luke-jr | how about a small bin that just prints the cell info? | 07:39 |
| luke-jr | then you can have a shell script do the compare, and make that a cronjob | 07:39 |
| Gh0sty | yeah something like that | 07:39 |
| Gh0sty | ofcourse the problem is I need to first capture which towers are there ... | 07:39 |
| Gh0sty | so I need to be able to put that bin in listening mode | 07:40 |
| Gh0sty | and just write out all the cells it receives at that point in a txt file or something ... | 07:40 |
| Gh0sty | comawhite: interested? :P | 07:41 |
| comawhite | ? | 07:41 |
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| Gh0sty | comawhite: read the above ideas for an application :P | 07:45 |
| comawhite | gps? | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | # ./whatcelltower | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | 0907000c0136001aabe1179a0905008c | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | side effect: if you actually have the GPS active, this kills it | 07:45 |
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| Gh0sty | I don't use the gps actually | 07:46 |
| Gh0sty | the few times I actually used was when I was at Boston ... while I am from europe :P | 07:46 |
| Gh0sty | just to find my way around there :) | 07:46 |
| Gh0sty | in my car I have better stuff | 07:46 |
| Gh0sty | and walking I never need gps normally | 07:47 |
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| Gh0sty | and I am actually surprised ... | 07:49 |
| Gh0sty | nowadays they reverse engineer cpu's | 07:49 |
| Gh0sty | and all kinds of hard and software | 07:49 |
| Gh0sty | nobody who even tried to hack the whole phone part of the n900 | 07:50 |
| Gh0sty | the -open- source but than in the black hat version :P | 07:50 |
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| luke-jr | Gh0sty: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/whatcelltower ;) | 07:53 |
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| luke-jr | Gh0sty: I had to reverse engineer the GPS, btw; it was closed on all levels | 07:53 |
| luke-jr | night | 07:53 |
| Gh0sty | :P | 07:54 |
| Gh0sty | what? :p | 07:54 |
| Gh0sty | you dont have the device ... :p | 07:54 |
| Gh0sty | how can you ... | 07:54 |
| Necc | the firmware is accidently not free for all? :P | 07:55 |
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| Gh0sty | luke-jr: when I execute it ... it comes asking to make a connection first interactively (since I don't allow gprs or wifi connections on the fly ...) | 08:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: for doing any 'triangulation' from celltowers, the celmo needs to be a lot more open than it is. See my elaborations on this in http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html | 09:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: btw I think you'll burn in FOSS hell for linking to blobs here (whatcelltower) | 09:51 |
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| crashanddie | morning maemo | 11:08 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik_, what's new in AssangeCountry? | 11:14 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.ding.net/wikileaks/234867.txt | 11:15 |
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| pupnik | pretty rich | 11:15 |
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| alterego | Hah | 11:17 |
| pupnik | er, pretty Rick, rather | 11:17 |
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| sezuan | What's the 'best' python qt binding for the n900? It seems that many application use the python-qt4-* libs, on the other side, the pyside libs seem to be the nokia supported libraries. | 11:19 |
| alterego | I use PySide | 11:21 |
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| alterego | There was a new release recently which is quite cool. | 11:21 |
| alterego | They're pretty much functionally identical. | 11:22 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG, ping | 11:24 |
| sezuan | alterego: Ok, so technically there's not a big difference, except the license. | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | alterego, you have experience with MAFW, don't you? | 11:25 |
| alterego | crashanddie: some what yeah | 11:25 |
| alterego | Wassup? | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | alterego, ever used it from a C++ Qt App? | 11:25 |
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| alterego | sezuan: pretty much, the license was the reason Nokia pushed PySide | 11:25 |
| alterego | crashanddie: no, but then Qt DBus is quite cool :) | 11:25 |
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| crashanddie | Qt Dbus? | 11:26 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, it's not dbus only | 11:26 |
| alterego | What else would you use? | 11:26 |
| alterego | I've only ever used the dbus api .. | 11:26 |
| alterego | And that's what MAFW is, it's a DBus API for media playback .. | 11:27 |
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| alterego | Oh wait, does it have a native C API aswell? | 11:27 |
| lardman | morning chaps | 11:28 |
| lardman | discussing the new Media Player? | 11:28 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, see libmafw | 11:28 |
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| lardman | GObject in a Qt app? | 11:30 |
| alterego | There are a few resources on using GObject based APIs in Qt | 11:30 |
| alterego | I've not done it personally. | 11:30 |
| lardman | ok | 11:31 |
| alterego | I dunno, I'd try and use the DBus API personally :) | 11:31 |
| lardman | Qt DBus is nice and easy | 11:31 |
| alterego | exactimally. | 11:31 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, even for a replacement media player? | 11:32 |
| alterego | Sure | 11:32 |
| alterego | Why not? | 11:32 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG, doesn't really matter, as long as the same operations are supported through either interface | 11:33 |
| lardman | Are there docs on the DBus interface? | 11:33 |
| crashanddie | and whether we go through a GObject translation layer or DBus, well... | 11:33 |
| lardman | There's only a mention in here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29 | 11:34 |
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| lardman | MohammadAG: what was the git repo again? | 11:40 |
| * lardman wonders who wrote Nautilus and why they neglected to add an "Open Terminal here" menu item | 11:41 | |
| alterego | Integrating Qt with gobject is quite easy, the hardest part is getting your GMainLoop into Qt, luckily Qt has a nice way of doing that, though I don't know off hand what it is. I'm sure there are countless examples. | 11:41 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, http?//gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer | 11:42 |
| lardman | thanks | 11:42 |
| MohammadAG | ffs maemo | 11:42 |
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| MohammadAG | lardman, http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer | 11:42 |
| alterego | Well, columbus builds in scratchbox fine | 11:44 |
| lardman | fatal: http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server? | 11:44 |
| * lardman has not used git before, so could be my fault | 11:44 | |
| alterego | Needed a bit of tweaking though :/ | 11:44 |
| X-Fade | lardman: git clone http://git.gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer.git | 11:45 |
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| lardman | thanks X-Fade | 11:45 |
| lardman | ~lart xinerama not passing focus across screens correctly | 11:45 |
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| lardman | had to change to git:// | 11:46 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, cat * | wc -l | 11:46 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well there are 2 options, as gitorious shows you at the top ;) | 11:47 |
| lardman | yours didn't work for some reason | 11:47 |
| lardman | but thanks anyway ;) | 11:47 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Don't blame me, I just pasted what gitorious said :) | 11:47 |
| lardman | lol | 11:47 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: find . -name '*.cpp' -or -name '*.h' | xargs wc -l | 11:47 |
| lardman | what do they say about trusing things you read on the internet...? :) | 11:48 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: 8977 currently | 11:48 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, why xargs? | 11:54 |
| alterego | because of command line argument maximum length limitations. | 11:54 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: do we want to share the gst pipeline between music and videos? | 11:55 |
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| MohammadAG | lardman, won't that cause playing videos to forget song timeline? | 11:56 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad, lardman, heya | 12:00 |
| lardman | yeah, but that's what happens atm | 12:00 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 12:00 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: I'm also not sure if we can have two playbin2 objects at one time | 12:00 |
| RST38h | Folks, are you rewriting the Media Player??? | 12:01 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, then make them use the same pipe | 12:01 |
| lardman | yeah | 12:01 |
| RST38h | Could you please fix the UI while doing that? | 12:01 |
| lardman | well I'll see if I can create two of them | 12:01 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, already done | 12:01 |
| lardman | gst docs really are crap | 12:01 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Screenshots!!! | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: cmd line maximum? I always thought piping by | would redirect stdin, not cmdline parameter | 12:02 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, see tinypic links in yesterdays logs :P | 12:02 |
| alterego | xargs turns stdin into arguments for a command. | 12:02 |
| alterego | wc -l doesn't accepts filenames on stdin afair | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: that's a completely different explanation, and I don't get it yet | 12:03 |
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| RST38h | a'ok | 12:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cat foo | wc -l; : count the lines in foo. cat foo | xargs wc -l; : count the lines of every file listed in foo by full pathname | 12:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | EXAMPLES | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | find /tmp -name core -type f -print | xargs /bin/rm -f | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Find files named core in or below the directory /tmp and delete them. Note that this will work incorrectly if there are any filenames containing newlines or spaces. | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | man wc: | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Print newline, word, and byte counts for each FILE, and a total line if more than one FILE is specified. With no FILE, or when FILE is -, read standard input. | 12:11 |
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| pupnik | if you don't type 'wc' every day you're probably not a *nix guy | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: so your cmdline will count the number of sourcecode lines in all *.cpp, while without xarg it counts the number of *.cpp files | 12:13 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: exactly | 12:13 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, find /tmp -name core -type f -exec /bin/rm -f {} | 12:19 |
| crashanddie | a lot better than using xargs. | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | hey | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | does anyone here remember my last exercise in shell scripts? | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | nope | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | the case of the always exiting exit? | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | nope | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | http://code.google.com/p/maczfs/issues/detail?id=56 | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | it was nov 25 | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | last night we encountered the case of the always running service | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | the code does something like: | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | SHOULD_START=`gconf-tool-2 ...blah...get...setting...value` | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | if [ $SHOULD_START=="true" ]; then | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/superdaemon | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | fi | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | technically there's a way to stop the service... in Settings you can uncheck the service thing | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | so gconf-tool-2 outputs the string "true" ? | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | typically it outputs the string 'false' :) | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | and it stops... for the session. but it's back | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | typically? | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | when you reboot | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | well, i don't like the daemon so i uncheck the thing in settings | 12:24 |
| crashanddie | also, don't use capital variable names -- they collide with environment variables | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, in theory if someone actually wanted the superdaemon to start the value would be true | 12:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: should we tell $HAPPY_CODER not to use caps? | 12:25 |
| crashanddie | if [ "$should_start" == "true" ]; then | 12:25 |
| crashanddie | use quotes :) | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: but .. you're getting ahead of things | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the question to ask is "why does it always start" | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | not "how would i write this code" :) | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | s/ask/answer/ | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | (bug w/ suggested fixes is already filed fwiw, as was the case in the zfs bug..) | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | s/zfs/mac-zfs/ | 12:26 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: (bug w/ suggested fixes is already filed fwiw, as was the case in the mac-zfs bug..) | 12:26 |
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| crashanddie | if [ "$should_start" == "true" ]; then run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/superdaemon; else echo "Value of \$should_start is '$should_start'"; fi | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah yeah, but you're fixing the code w/o explaining to $HAPPY_CODER what was wrong w/ the old code | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | or just print $should_start after gathering the idea | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | debugging? | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | HAPPY_CODER=clueless | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | this is an Xsession.post script | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | you ask "why does it always start"? Without checking the value of your test | 12:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, it always starts, and a command line test yields: | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | echo $SHOULD_START | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | false | 12:29 |
| ieatlint | come now, documenting code is just needless additional dev time | 12:29 |
| crashanddie | then it is being tested somewhere else | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 12:29 |
| alterego | crashanddie: "==" is numerical equality you want "=" | 12:29 |
| RST38h | For knowledge brings sadness and a lot of knowledge brings a lot of sadness. Moo. | 12:29 |
| crashanddie | s/tested/started/ | 12:30 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: then it is being started somewhere else | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | again, you've written code which isn't broken, but you haven't explained what was wrong w/ the original code | 12:30 |
| crashanddie | alterego, piss off, = is assignment | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: not in shell [] | 12:30 |
| alterego | No in test it isn't .. | 12:30 |
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| alterego | s/No/Not/ | 12:30 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Not in test it isn't .. | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | w/o explaining to $HAPPY_CODER what was wrong w/ the original code, $HAPPY_CODER is likely to repeat the mistake in the future | 12:30 |
| * alterego pisses off. | 12:30 | |
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| timeless_mbp | alterego: so have you identified the mistake $HAPPY_CODER made? | 12:31 |
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| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, there isn't anything wrong, given the current parameters, it's somewhere else | 12:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: nope, replacing my code with your code would fix the bug | 12:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | s/my code/code pasted above as written by $HAPPY_CODER/ | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | eh? Really? | 12:31 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: crashanddie: nope, replacing code pasted above as written by $HAPPY_CODER with your code would fix the bug | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | really | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | remember, this is adventures in shell coding gotchas 102 | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | (101 was already taken) | 12:32 |
| alterego | timeless_mpb, don't even know what you're talking about :P | 12:32 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, sorry, don't see it. | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | <timeless_mbp> last night we encountered the case of the always running service | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | <timeless_mbp> the code does something like: | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | <timeless_mbp> SHOULD_START=`gconf-tool-2 ...blah...get...setting...value` | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | <timeless_mbp> if [ $SHOULD_START=="true" ]; then | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | <timeless_mbp> run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/superdaemon | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | <timeless_mbp> fi | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | using a normal shell: | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | SHOULD_START=`gconf-tool-2 ...blah...get...setting...value` | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | echo $SHOULD_START | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | false | 12:34 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, bash vs sh? | 12:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: n900 default shell | 12:34 |
| crashanddie | no idea what that is | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | but any shell will do this | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | the code is wrong everywhere :) | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | so, we know that the user is asking for superdaemon not to start, and the code above is starting it anyway | 12:35 |
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| crashanddie | but this fixes it: if [ "$should_start" == "true" ]; then run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/superdaemon; else echo "Value of \$should_start is '$should_start'"; fi | 12:35 |
| crashanddie | ? | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 12:35 |
| crashanddie | the quotes? | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | those are good for other reasons, but not the actual bug | 12:35 |
| crashanddie | then just tell us, you obviously have the answer | 12:36 |
| timeless_mbp | it's the spaces around the equals | 12:36 |
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| crashanddie | heh | 12:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | without them, the test is not an equality, it's "is the thing inside [] not empty " | 12:36 |
| crashanddie | it parses it as a full string | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | ayup | 12:37 |
| ieatlint | the parser deliminates by white space | 12:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | poor $HAPPY_CODER | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | to be fair, i looked at it and didn't get it | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i had to pass my n900 over the table at dinner for help | 12:37 |
| crashanddie | yeah, debugging shell code is a bitch | 12:37 |
| crashanddie | which is why you really need good practices to start writing it | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and it wasn't spotted immediately, sp3000 almost missed it | 12:37 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | but he got it... | 12:38 |
| crashanddie | I wrote a 2000-line script, would never have been able to get it working was it not for a few simple rules | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | and then superdaemon at future boots didn't start, and i was super happy | 12:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | remember: users are happiest when things don't start :) | 12:38 |
| crashanddie | that's not what she said | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | she's happy when you don't start an argument! | 12:39 |
| timeless_mbp | and you're happy when she doesn't say you started an argument :) | 12:39 |
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| alterego | Cool, got columbus working in scratchbox now :) | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 12:41 |
| alterego | Well, "working" .. | 12:41 |
| alterego | No GPS means no data :D | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | "columbus"? | 12:41 |
| chem|st | we should be more than happy, I can tell stories of friends with android and iphones... with stuff we say WORKSFORME | 12:41 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html | 12:42 |
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| * timeless_mbp is reading http://torrentfreak.com/acslaw-take-alleged-file-sharers-to-court-but-fail-on-a-grand-scale-101209/ | 12:42 | |
| crashanddie | chem|st, appstore? | 12:43 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, games? media player? | 12:43 |
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| crashanddie | and now the N900 users are going: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_wkU0aCa0Pag/S7YcLYwLmmI/AAAAAAAAR-I/4-JaUrODImQ/fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu_thumb%5B2%5D.jpg?imgmax=800 | 12:44 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: yeah like "fsck which of those skype apps does actualy work properly?" | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: shiny | 12:45 |
| alterego | fanks | 12:45 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: scrolling 10k fart apps in market doesnt help you find anything | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: can i ask you to not use centering for Options, Tools, and Network Server? | 12:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | mixing centering and left align is bad | 12:46 |
| alterego | I'm not mixing | 12:46 |
| alterego | And M5 UI guidelines say centering. | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: *I* know | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: really? | 12:47 |
| alterego | Oh, I guess I am with the toggles and such. | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | open MfE options | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | it uses left align | 12:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | thugh doesn't work with messybox' fsckdup ""find"" | 12:47 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: yes, M5 ui guidelines say pick selectors should be centered. | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: hrm, tell that to the people who made M5? | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | open Settings>Phone | 12:47 |
| alterego | I'm not changing it :P | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | the only things which are centered are buttons | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: please change it | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and can you hit me w/ a url for this m5 guideline? | 12:48 |
| alterego | Nope, and nope :P | 12:49 |
| alterego | It was some PDF on the site, I'm a bit busy to dig it up :P | 12:49 |
| alterego | Google it :D | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | you do know that nokia and maemo are hard to google, right? ;-) | 12:49 |
| alterego | I've never had problems. | 12:49 |
| alterego | lrn2goog :P | 12:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Legacy_Maemo_5_Documentation/Desktop_Widget_UI_Guidelines says "This article is legacy documentation, and is superseded by Forum Nokia documentation." | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | as i said, nokia is hard to google | 12:50 |
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| alterego | Heh | 12:50 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders how nokia manages this | 12:50 | |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, qt is hard to google too | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | remember QDateTime from yesterday? | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | Qt3 docs come up higher than Qt-current docs | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | (you can see evidence of that in the log, someone pointed to the Qt3 doc *after* I had linked to the current doc) | 12:51 |
| alterego | Yeah, I get that a lot. | 12:51 |
| alterego | Then I just replace qt3 with latest :) | 12:51 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 12:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | WTF is with FN? | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't *link* to PDFs | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | it forces me to *Download* them | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | so i can't use my safe Google Chrome PDF reader | 12:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | instead I have to use my unsafe default os pdf reader | 12:52 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks FN for being stupid | 12:52 | |
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| * ptl gets away from timeless_mbp... He doesn't want to get kicked too | 12:53 | |
| timeless_mbp | ptl: i'm a nice guy | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | if people are responsive to feedback, i politely give feedback | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | if people act like brick walls, i kick them | 12:54 |
| ptl | but you kick people when they are being stupid :P | 12:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | but trust me, they deserve to be kicked and it hurts me more than them | 12:54 |
| ptl | lol | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | ptl: you'd rather i kicked people when they were smart? :) | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: 13.1.2 Implementation | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | page 48 | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | 13.2Aligning and theming complex button text | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | The views and dialogues can have buttons with two text strings. This is particularly used in Pickers (the picker button), but it is used in normal buttons; for example, when an application-specific, custom picker-like UI is created. | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Figure 26: Complex button text with single line and two columns | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | Figure 27: Complex button text with two lines | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | There are two main cases for aligning, of which the single-line case is the most common: •Two text strings are in a single line on two "columns", both left aligned to the edge of its column •Two text strings are in two rows, both left aligned to its row | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.forum.nokia.com/dp?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsw.nokia.com%2Fid%2Fa3187f95-ad88-4233-b0ef-a182da3ec1c7%2FHildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | http://sw.nokia.com/id/a3187f95-ad88-4233-b0ef-a182da3ec1c7/Hildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | that url looks "better" | 12:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh cute, there's a full screen icon | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | too bad it isn't used consistently by nokia apps | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: so, since i've done your homework for you, would you please left align? thanks | 12:58 |
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| alterego | timeless_mbp: like I said, I'm not changing it. | 13:01 |
| alterego | I like it how it is. | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | alright, but don't hide behind the specs :) | 13:01 |
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| alterego | timeless_mbp: I could have sworn it said that :P | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | good thing you didn't | 13:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | alterego: please remember i'm probably the only guy dumb enough to have actually read this crap | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | but i read it before we shipped | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | so it was >>1 year ago | 13:02 |
| alterego | I read it, I just must have been mistaken. | 13:03 |
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| alterego | Well, I may change them. | 13:05 |
| alterego | I'll look into it later when I can be bothered. If I think it looks okay I'll do it :P | 13:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | cool :) | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | ptl: see, alterego's a reasonable guy | 13:05 |
| alterego | It is a bit of hassle having to set each button to centre align ;) | 13:06 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 13:06 |
| ptl | timeless_mbp: lol | 13:06 |
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| alterego | It'll reduce my code by 1 line per button | 13:06 |
| alterego | Which is a shame, I'll have to implement something else to cover the deficit :P | 13:06 |
| timeless_mbp | ptl: no kicking required... a bit of screaming and some dragging, but hey | 13:06 |
| alterego | Anyhow, battery is about to die on laptop and I've done some good progress so I'll bbl. | 13:06 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: if you want help adding LoC, i'm sure i can find a way | 13:07 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:07 |
| timeless_mbp | have a good weekend and thanks for listening | 13:07 |
| alterego | No doubt. | 13:07 |
| alterego | ;) | 13:07 |
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| MohammadAG | ~seen lardman | 13:59 |
| infobot | lardman <~simon@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 57m 30s ago, saying: 'gst docs really are crap'. | 13:59 |
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| MohammadAG | missed his PM :/ | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | heh, is this NOLO or (my guess) bootmenu which makes indicator LED explode in bright white on boot, only if cam door open and cam trigger pushed during boot? | 14:03 |
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| MohammadAG | prolly preinit | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | never seen that | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | can you reproduce that? | 14:07 |
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| MohammadAG | R&D mode, my LED never goes on at boot time | 14:07 |
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| RST38h | Mine does it intermittently | 14:09 |
| RST38h | Sometimes it does | 14:09 |
| RST38h | Sometimes it feels like you are supposed to hold the power button until the LED reaches full brightness, or the device will not start | 14:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: that's not what I'm talking about | 14:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: the effect I see is a *very* bright white LED *after* the usual ramp-up of brightness plus a few seconds darkness, late on NOLO screen | 14:15 |
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| MohammadAG | NOLO is only there for less than 1s before a kernel is loaded | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | by kernel, I mean uboot/preinit | 14:19 |
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| trx | one more or less unrelated question, while creating a deb package, how do i create a link in one folder to a file in another? | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG | better done in postinst with ln -s | 14:28 |
| trx | oh | 14:29 |
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| trx | that would make sense | 14:30 |
| trx | ty | 14:30 |
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| MohammadAG | lardman, missed your PM | 14:44 |
| lardman | np | 14:44 |
| lardman | I've added a QWidget which will handle audio and video playback | 14:45 |
| lardman | currently using the same pipeline, but we could choose to retain the state of each type of file | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, got a gitorious account? | 14:45 |
| lardman | nope | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | for commit access | 14:45 |
| lardman | I'll have to apply for one | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | signing up there is really quick | 14:46 |
| lardman | code's not finished yet anyway, I was wondering how the player should handle playlists - whether to keep an internal list so that we might be able to try things like gapless playback | 14:46 |
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| derf | lardman: What are you coding now? | 14:47 |
| lardman | media player | 14:47 |
| derf | To me, gapless playback is an _essential_ feature. | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer | 14:47 |
| lardman | derf: only because what I had meant to do, learning about shiboken, looked harder | 14:47 |
| derf | That only shows that you don't know anything about media players :). | 14:48 |
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| lardman | lol | 14:48 |
| lardman | well I was only going to do the gst bit | 14:48 |
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| lardman | I'm not even sure if gst can handle gapless playback for that matter | 14:48 |
| derf | On my desktop, I am still literally using the original xmms. | 14:48 |
| derf | Because everything else I've ever used has sucked in comparison. | 14:49 |
| derf | And xmms is pretty bad. | 14:49 |
| lardman | hmm, apparently it should work | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | what about crossfade? | 14:50 |
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| derf | I have no use for crossfade, personally. | 14:51 |
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| lardman | hmm, apparently playbi2 supports gapless but not crossfade | 14:53 |
| lardman | playbin2 even | 14:53 |
| thopiekar | hi.. is there a howto install Canola on N900 on the web? | 14:53 |
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| lardman | realistically I guess the playback widget can always ask the outside world for the uri of the next file once it receives the about-to-finish signal | 14:54 |
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| lardman | anyone tested whether this has been fixed: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6694 | 15:00 |
| povbot | Bug 6694: libplayback missing -doc package | 15:00 |
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| lardman | as it will affect a new media player | 15:00 |
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| lardman | hmm, well the description is not as important as the effect they were trying to overcome | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: gapless is essential. And full editing capabilities on playlists are essential (I.E. append, cut, insert, stop-after, with optional fade-out) | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, we're still using mafw right? | 15:21 |
| lardman | gapless is fine as that's fully supported by playbin2 | 15:21 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: yep, I'm just looking at the gstreamer stuff | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | My personal favourite would be playback of iso9660.bin img with cuesheet | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | I see, thought mafw also provided those (never read the docs fully) | 15:22 |
| lardman | docscrutinizer: I don;t know whether mafw will support adding attributes to the songs in the playlist | 15:22 |
| lardman | docscrutinizer: well that could theoretically be achieved, I'm not volunteering though | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: it's a Nokia invention? And the feature isn't needed by stock mediaplayer? Then I bet it's not supported by mafw | 15:24 |
| lardman | yeah probably not | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | compare arbitrary other Nokia inventions - all crippled to the bare minimum | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | as far as we're talking about maemo libs etc | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which btw scares me a lot when thinking about bme kernel support in harmattan. I bet it will break hostmode | 15:26 |
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| BCMM | heh, FCam is awesome | 15:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | fcam would be more awesome for me if it wouldn't insist on opening the sound device | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | FCam is no genuine Nokia baby though | 15:27 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: remind me again why we're using MAFW? | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I want to listen to mp3 and take pics | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: heh! and the lp5523 | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, so we don't break APIs | 15:28 |
| lardman | but if it's only used internally anyway... | 15:28 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i wasn't commenting on the nokia-breakage convo... | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: oh, nevertheless it fits | 15:29 |
| BCMM | it's just that someone with nice digital bridge camera was just envious of teh manual controlls | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, home widgets, applets, status updaters | 15:29 |
| lardman | ah ok | 15:29 |
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| MohammadAG | they all base on libmafw | 15:30 |
| BCMM | which is pretty good for a cameraphone, really | 15:30 |
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| * lardman wonders whether we need to use mafw renderers in that case | 15:31 | |
| lolloo | why pidgin doesnt show avatar of my MSN contacts? | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: MohammadAG: (iso9660, volunteer) as long as your mediaplayer app is planning for a generic way to plug in that function seamlessly, I guess that's just good enough | 15:33 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: all you need to do is write a gstreamer element that can read from that file | 15:33 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: that's odd, playback doesn't stop for me when using fcamera | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, that's why I was thinking really | 15:33 |
| lardman | then it should be automatically recognised by playbin2 | 15:34 |
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| BCMM | (although IIRC the FCam API is supposed to have a built-in way to make sounds) | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: so playbin2 is also handling playlists? | 15:34 |
| lardman | no | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm :-/ | 15:34 |
| lardman | but I guess anything can be added to a playlist | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what about the cuesheet? | 15:34 |
| lardman | ah, i see | 15:34 |
| lardman | well apparently mafw is extensible ;) | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure about that, as it may flaw your basic architecture, if you use it for a basic building block and then it turns out it can't handle things like e.g cuesheets | 15:36 |
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| jo-erlend | will there be any further updates to maemo, or is everything about meego now? I've found some bugs, but I don't know if there is any use reporting them? | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jo-erlend: notions about that differ wildly | 15:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jo-erlend: a somewhat common sense seems to be it's useful to have tickets for bugs in tracker, so community can focus on alternative ways to patch if Nokia doesn't care | 15:40 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: which fcam app do you find disables audio? | 15:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | checking | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I may be wrong | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | It happened once in 1783. | 15:43 |
| BCMM | i know the default camera app does that | 15:43 |
| BCMM | the year 1783? | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, shouldn't the UI handle playlists? | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: for a bad example about how Nokia apps and libs spoil proper integration of nice plugins, see "mafw-grilo-source plugins for Fremantle Media Player" | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | or MAFW Playlists | 15:44 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: well I suppose the UI should present the playlist state that MAFW handles | 15:44 |
| RST38h | BTW Grilo stuff needs a bugfix | 15:44 |
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| RST38h | Anyonewilling to fix+commit? | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: (grilo plugin ugly) I guess you want avoid your app is duplicating this | 15:47 |
| lardman | so I guess we'll need to make some modification to the mafw-gst-renderer to enable gapless playback: http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/mafw/trunk/mafw-gst-renderer/libmafw-gst-renderer/mafw-gst-renderer-worker.c | 15:47 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: not my app! :) | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | your(pl) | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | No, not really. The guy who volunteered for the rules, has access now. | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | Hmm ok, -EWINDOW :) | 15:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | logger -t X-Fade -EWINDOW | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, quite a lot ;) | 15:50 |
| mazdok | hi | 15:50 |
| mazdok | I'm trying to download opencv but I don't find it in the repositories. I tried to add: | 15:51 |
| mazdok | * deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free | 15:51 |
| mazdok | * deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free | 15:51 |
| mazdok | to sources.list but I get: couldn't access keyring: no such file or directory | 15:52 |
| mazdok | any idea? | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | mazdok: you're supposed to manage catalogs via HAM | 15:53 |
| mazdok | uhm what do you mean? | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean you should open Hildon Application Manager, and there add your repository URLs | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | in menu -> catalogs | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik direct editing of sources.list is deprecated | 15:55 |
| gregoa | works fine for me | 15:55 |
| mazdok | uhm but I'm speaking about scratchbox | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe to avoid the issue you're facing | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, scratch my coment | 15:55 |
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| mazdok | k | 15:56 |
| gregoa | mazdok: opencv seems to be in extras-devel --> "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free" (and deb-src) | 15:56 |
| mazdok | I tried to compile opencv also from the source but I get a strange error | 15:56 |
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| mazdok | so should I have to add this line: | 15:56 |
| mazdok | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free | 15:57 |
| mazdok | in sources.list right? | 15:57 |
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| gregoa | looks like what I've pasted above :) | 15:57 |
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| mazdok | gregoa: yep :P | 15:57 |
| mazdok | damn it | 15:58 |
| mazdok | I get the same error.. | 15:58 |
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| mazdok | GPG error: blablabla freemantle release: could't access keyring. no such file or directory | 15:59 |
| gregoa | hm. strange. could you paste the complete command/output somewhere? | 16:00 |
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| mazdok | uhm ok | 16:00 |
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| mazdok | I am using a virtualbox machine so I may need time | 16:01 |
| lardman | hmm, ok well we could support gapless by changing the mafw sources so that they contain some metadata about whether we want a gap or not, and changing the gst renderer to look for that info and either wait for the track to finish or push the next one when it's signalled | 16:01 |
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| lardman | should be possible to add support for cue by creating a new mafw source and a gst src element to read the correct data | 16:02 |
| mazdok | http://pastebin.com/rgB0QyiW | 16:04 |
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| gregoa | mazdok: ah, that. I think I've seen that before, but IIRC it's only a warning and installing packages still works | 16:06 |
| gregoa | mazdok: I never was motivated to find out about the keyrings for the maemo repositories yet | 16:07 |
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| gregoa | mazdok: "apt-key adv --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 616730BD" imports the key for extras-devel | 16:08 |
| mazdok | cheers | 16:08 |
| mazdok | where do you find it? | 16:08 |
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| mazdok | *did | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FSCK that lis302dl driver!!! | 16:10 |
| gregoa | mazdok: in the back of my brain :) (the keyid with "apt-key list" on the N900) | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | had there been any patches to it for pr1.3? | 16:10 |
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| mazdok | cool | 16:10 |
| mazdok | thank you very much I m going to try it now | 16:10 |
| gregoa | mazdok: np. hope it works | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | my acceleromeer frequently locks up and needs REMOVAL OF BATTERY to reset | 16:11 |
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| mazdok | gregoa: IT WORKED!!! thank you very much! | 16:12 |
| gregoa | mazdok: cool! | 16:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (accel) I honestly wonder why it doesn't reset on powerdown at very least, as it's powered by 1V8 and 2V8 only, and both rails are supposed to be powered down on shutdown of system | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway the driver *obviously* is missing a decent chip reset & init on module load | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.3 | 16:16 |
| infobot | hmm... pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update | 16:16 |
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| lolloo | probably last? | 16:16 |
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| mazdok | gregoa: I'm trying to do it for the arm target but it doesn't work. gpg: keyserver receive failed: keyserver error | 16:19 |
| mazdok | sorry | 16:19 |
| mazdok | nothing now it works.. maybe it was a timeout | 16:19 |
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| gregoa | mazdok: yeah probably a timeout or a network problem. pgp.mit.edu is not the most reliable keyserver (it was just the first that came to my mind) | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, * Fixes: NB#152523 - Accelerometer uncalibrated after reboot | 16:20 |
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| mazdok | ah ok | 16:20 |
| mazdok | cool | 16:20 |
| mazdok | :P | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | might also fix the lockup | 16:20 |
| mazdok | thank you again | 16:20 |
| mazdok | ! | 16:20 |
| gregoa | np | 16:20 |
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| Macer | blah | 16:26 |
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| chem|st | is there an easy way to get a command to powerbutton klicks? | 16:29 |
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| MohammadAG | chem|st, ? | 16:30 |
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| chem|st | or any hardware key | 16:33 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: you lock screen and kbd by double press, how may I replace that with say security lock | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st, can you merge http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66833 into http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65570 ? | 16:34 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: usbstick into problems with hostmode? | 16:35 |
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| MohammadAG | problems with getting hostmode | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | signal sender=:1.8 -> dest=(null destination) serial=1187 path=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_logicaldev_input; interface=org.freedesktop.Hal.Device; member=Condition | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | string "ButtonPressed" | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | string "power" | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | you could detect if that was sent twice with a daemon/dbus-scripts | 16:36 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: done... | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | I would've thought the power button sent a signal for a double click... | 16:37 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: the action is already taken for screenlock but the config has only options written for [off,menu,lock,stby] | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | apparently, it's just mce processing whether it was sent once or twice | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, the bits Zen, Yen, and Xen, in LIS302, are really lovely named :-D | 16:37 |
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| chem|st | and I want to change the action taken on lock from "lock scr & kbd" to "security lock" | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | you need to set it to off and detect two presses with a daemon | 16:39 |
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| MohammadAG | a different one | 16:39 |
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| alterego | there's a system dbus message when screen locks | 16:41 |
| alterego | Just do a device lock on that | 16:41 |
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| chem|st | alterego: I do not want to device lock on screen lock! | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: I ponder about tweaking events.d/* to handle e.g. soft-poweroff action for powerbutton_action_doubleclick in a different manner | 16:45 |
| chem|st | what is the home key? | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody knows :-P | 16:46 |
| chem|st | mmh | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly heritage of N8x0 | 16:46 |
| chem|st | what is soft power off? | 16:47 |
| chem|st | lmg noone knows.. | 16:47 |
| chem|st | read about it somewhere... also heritage of n8x0 | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | No, it's same as act_dead aka charging | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | according to comments in mce.ini | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever that's worth for | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | indeed, it's act_dead | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | it activates offline mode and turns on the charging led | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | it does more than that: it basically changes runlevel | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you can configure if it's entering offline mode or not, during act_dead | 16:50 |
| chem|st | activates charging led is weird... | 16:50 |
| chem|st | where is the config for that? | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | mce.ini | 16:51 |
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| chem|st | uh ok need to look closer | 16:51 |
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| javispedro | soft poweroff should not activate power led | 16:52 |
| javispedro | it is n8x0 heritage indeed | 16:52 |
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| chem|st | my I set devlock instead of tklock for the double press? mce must know what is meant dont it? | 16:52 |
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| MohammadAG | worst case scenario if you try is that your device goes into a boot loop, till you kill the watchdog with R&D mode | 16:53 |
| chem|st | k | 16:53 |
| chem|st | I try ;) | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | \o/ cheers for the heroes | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet on "mce ignores as it doesn't know" | 16:55 |
| chem|st | reboot on sight ;) | 16:55 |
| chem|st | one mce restart... | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | mce another example of Nokia not implementing much beyond what they thought might be enough to meet *their* requirements | 16:55 |
| chem|st | not bootlooping yet | 16:56 |
| chem|st | weird it behaves just the same as before... | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I vote for another useless ticket to request disclosing mce source | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, you changed a setting for an event that's never happening, so to say | 16:58 |
| chem|st | ther must be some kind of fallback as it just ignores the devlock and does a tklock | 16:58 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: cmon, you know those don't go anywhere | 16:58 |
| luke-jr | Nokia probably pays a PR person to deal with trying to satisfy us without actually releasing code | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: # Double press [power] behaviour # tklock - enable the touchscreen/keypad lock <default> | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-10 15:55:05] <DocScrutinizer> I bet on "mce ignores as it doesn't know" | 17:00 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yes and setting it to something else than available makes a fallback to default | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 17:00 |
| chem|st | at least it doesnt bootloop | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | won another bet :-) | 17:00 |
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| chem|st | but it actualy knows devlock as it got settings for it... | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | but not as an option for PowerKeyDoubleAction= | 17:01 |
| chem|st | I want an open mce! | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's where my rant about opening useless tickets comes in | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh :-D | 17:02 |
| chem|st | ^^2nd | 17:02 |
| chem|st | it is no magic they are doing there | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | absolutely not | 17:02 |
| chem|st | we should replace it with acpi | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:02 |
| javispedro | what?? | 17:02 |
| javispedro | acpiwhat? | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:03 |
| chem|st | where do I need to solder the chip supporting acpi then? | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chip? | 17:03 |
| chem|st | crackers | 17:04 |
| javispedro | imo the nearest thing to mce is gnome-power-manager, and, being a gnome program, it actually has less configurability :) | 17:04 |
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| chem|st | javispedro: true | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | and starts with g* | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 17:04 |
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| javispedro | mce is one such thing I was thinkign that could be helpful in a nonmaemo environment | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrwut? | 17:05 |
| chem|st | most stuff starting K or G will end up in a apt-get remove --purge k$something && apt-get autoremove | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | something that does what mce does, ok | 17:05 |
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| javispedro | what would you use if you were designing a embedded linux thingie and needed what mce provides (screen & extra leds dimming with possibility, hotkeys, locking, etc.) | 17:06 |
| chem|st | some nokian should torrent the source... | 17:06 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yes, I mean if it was opensource | 17:06 |
| javispedro | *opensourced. | 17:06 |
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| javispedro | er.. | 17:06 |
| javispedro | with posibility to override the dimming from applications. | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: me, personally? odeviced of fso | 17:06 |
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| javispedro | aha, a custom daemon! | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, what's custom? | 17:07 |
| javispedro | that fso had to design its own daemon | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 17:07 |
| chem|st | at least the possibility to make use of mce would be nice so you don't need to start all over again | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~fso | 17:08 |
| infobot | i heard fso is the freesmartphone.org mobile devices middleware. | 17:08 |
| javispedro | I've read nothing about odeviced but I'm sure it's more customizable than mce so the need for mce goes down | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't quote me on that though, maybe it's oeventsd | 17:09 |
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| chem|st | fscked up brats! | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never wrapped my head around the border line between the domains of those two | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | brats? | 17:10 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: kids annoying you?! | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ahh | 17:11 |
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| chem|st | fscking with mce makes me wanna UHHHM | 17:14 |
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| chem|st | does anyone know a good obexfilebrowser gui or ncurses, as simple as possible and just enough to browse folders and transfer files? | 17:15 |
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| javispedro | something using fuse? | 17:17 |
| javispedro | well, there's two fuse<->obexftp layers | 17:17 |
| javispedro | dunno if someone packaged them on maemo though | 17:17 |
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| flexxxv | Hy! Any way to find out how some contacts were deleted on my phone? Some important people are suddenly missing after my phone was stolen by my brother :( | 17:18 |
| chem|st | what I never understood is why do languagefiles need to be installed for any language | 17:20 |
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| chem|st | for country version there should be the native + english + spanish and thats it, everything else could be addon | 17:22 |
| javispedro | well, the preloaded system is common for most territories afaik | 17:23 |
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| javispedro | so all you could do is erase unneeded locales after first boot | 17:23 |
| javispedro | but then people would complain you cannot switch them.. | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | still it's probably a nice idea to have a small script doing exactly that | 17:26 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders to torture lis302dl chip with I2Ctools :-P | 17:28 | |
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| javispedro | writing a better driver? | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | long term project: yes | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | short term project: reset chip by a script, to fix lockups | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...without rebooting device, or even removing battery | 17:32 |
| range | a/act | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | range: OK | 17:32 |
| range | Grrr. Why do I *always* mistype in this channel >:) | 17:32 |
| chem|st | no more maps for n900 regarding NOS and maploader in current stae | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=blob;f=drivers/i2c/chips/lis302dl.c;h=ee6dbc3a73a6d18ae6f3e131a6c18f0c07f085f8;hb=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4#l169 | 17:39 |
| javispedro | that is reset? | 17:39 |
| javispedro | (never read lis302 spec) | 17:39 |
| javispedro | btw, if I were to rewrite that driver, I'd convert it to a input driver and show most of the hw options (high pass filter?) via sysfs | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it resets the calibration register in lis302 to factory trimming | 17:40 |
| javispedro | did you pinpoint the problem you had? | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: exactly | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: the problem of lis302 lockup? looks like massive decalibration | 17:41 |
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| javispedro | yep, that one | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | so restoring factory calibration should fix it. Could be done by a cron job | 17:42 |
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| javispedro | happens often to you? hmm | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:42 |
| javispedro | weird. | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I always notice it when call-ui autorotate doesn't work anymore | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I rarely ever use the phone it goes unnoticed for several days | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, on that note, sometimes when hildon-desktop is improperly restarted, it stops rotating till the next reboot | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ans as I even more rarely reboot, it stays like that for maybe a month. So I encountered the issue like 4 times during last 4 months | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | opening a stacked window kicks rotation back into place | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: my problem is clearly related to lis302 though | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | liqacceltest shows weird results | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | I just felt like mentioning it :P | 17:45 |
| chem|st | ok see maps again... installed all Europe... now listed with new version... iceland only :( | 17:46 |
| chem|st | creeps! | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: the definitely weird thing about lis302 decalib is: I did a powerdown this noon, and 3h later (1h ago) the autorotation was borked, so I felt like removing battery is the only thing that fixes it. Might be there's something messing it up rather short time after reboot though | 17:50 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders if the song list in the stock media player is a custom widget | 17:50 | |
| MohammadAG | I see no widget that provides the gray text areas and the track length | 17:50 |
| * alterego sighs | 17:50 | |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: it probably is a custom gtk cell renderer, like modest ones. | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | blargh | 17:51 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's a list view. | 17:51 |
| alterego | Easy to replicate in Qt | 17:51 |
| alterego | good learning experience too, have fun :D | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | I have a list view, but I want the gray text and tracks :P | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | lmao | 17:51 |
| alterego | Yes, you need to implement a nice delegate to do it. | 17:52 |
| lardman | urgh, delegates | 17:53 |
| Macer | anybody know how to right click from the maemo vnc client? | 17:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer cackles | 17:53 | |
| MohammadAG | Macer, use a mouse and hostmode | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 17:54 |
| Macer | haha | 17:54 |
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| alterego | Heh | 17:54 |
| Macer | no easier way to do it? like hold alt and tap? :) | 17:54 |
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| javispedro | Macer: have you tried the volume -/+ buttons? that is how it used to work on the n8x0... | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | hold shift - is the mac method :-P | 17:54 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: tried that | 17:55 |
| Macer | :) | 17:55 |
| Macer | mac is ctrl | 17:55 |
| javispedro | blargh. bad system. | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, I got no mac, so maybe you're right :-D | 17:55 |
| Macer | haha | 17:55 |
| javispedro | so if I try to do it the proper way and request for permission to play music, the system tells me I'm allowed, but then mutes my stream. | 17:56 |
| javispedro | of course, If I say nothing, it does not mute my stream. | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr wut? | 17:56 |
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| Macer | ah. nm | 17:57 |
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| Macer | just needed to get task manager to run and there is ctrl alt del in the vnc menu | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: no, nm won't work | 17:57 |
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| lardman|home | crap talktalk connection | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody joining for a doener? | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, cya then | 17:58 |
| alterego | a what? | 17:59 |
| Macer | haha | 18:00 |
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| Macer | ok | 18:02 |
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| Macer | all funned out with ssh tunneled vnc heh | 18:02 |
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| Macer | i need to get rdp going on that box | 18:02 |
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| GAN900 | MohammadAG, how's UPnP looking? | 18:08 |
| alterego | ugly plug n play? | 18:09 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: hmm, it looks like playback from a CD image should already be supported by gstreamer | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: I'd guess as much, but the question is how it handles playback of a single song out of a CD immage, defined by cuesheet | 18:10 |
| lardman | well gst should do that apparently, but mafw probably won't be interested | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | image* | 18:10 |
| lardman | you'd need cdiocddasrc though which is iin plugins-ugly | 18:12 |
| dneary | hi | 18:12 |
| lardman | hey Dave | 18:12 |
| dneary | lardman, Hell of a name there | 18:13 |
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| dneary | cdiocddasrc? | 18:13 |
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| dneary | Who came up with that one? | 18:13 |
| lardman | no clue :) | 18:13 |
| lardman | http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins/html/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins-cdiocddasrc.html | 18:13 |
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| dneary | I guess it's "CD I/O CDDA source" | 18:13 |
| alterego | Can you not "mount" audio cds? | 18:13 |
| dneary | alterego, You have to buy them dinner first. | 18:14 |
| lardman | alterego: yes, that would probably be easier, but then again we're thinking of an all singing all dancing media player here ;) | 18:14 |
| alterego | because out of the box gstreamer will handle the audio format. | 18:14 |
| dneary | (seriously though, no, you can't mount audio CDs, there's no filesystem) | 18:14 |
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| dneary | Although I've heard of someone hacking a pseudo filesystem that mounted a CD as raw audio files | 18:15 |
| alterego | dneary: well that's rubbish :P | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, CDDA != ISO9660 | 18:15 |
| alterego | Yes, that's what I mean. | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I used it incorrectly | 18:15 |
| dneary | alterego, What's rubbish? | 18:15 |
| alterego | I've known a few OS' that do it. | 18:15 |
| alterego | dneary: it is a filesystem | 18:15 |
| lardman | http://www.linuxconfig.org/HowTo_mount_cdrom_in_linux | 18:16 |
| dneary | alterego, Really? | 18:16 |
| alterego | it has a toc and it has audio files :P | 18:16 |
| alterego | What else would you call it? | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | cddafs? | 18:16 |
| dneary | uh, s'pose | 18:16 |
| alterego | Admittedly the line might seem grey and fuzzy, but essentially it is :) | 18:16 |
| alterego | RISC OS used to handle audio CDs like that | 18:17 |
| alterego | And I swear even windows does .. or did .. | 18:17 |
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| lardman | alterego: yep | 18:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope, CDDA that's a pcm stream, with a cuesheet (=directory) unrelated. the img file usually only has the PCM stream data | 18:17 |
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| dneary | alterego, You scared me away | 18:18 |
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| alterego | Hah | 18:18 |
| alterego | awwwww | 18:18 |
| alterego | I didn't mean to sound harsh :D | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/cuesheet/toc | 18:19 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: what do you mean by image? | 18:19 |
| alterego | I thought we were talking about, say, a dev entry? | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | the data file used by e.g xcdroast to burn a CD from | 18:19 |
| alterego | Oooo. you're talking about that crap | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, we're not talking about playback of /dev/cdrom | 18:20 |
| alterego | I usually just use ".iso" plain images. | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I asked for playback of images | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | iso is for data CDs | 18:21 |
| alterego | So you want this media player to plau .bin files with a .cue? | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 18:21 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: iso is a common extension for an image file of an optical disk | 18:21 |
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| alterego | I know it sounds like it should be related to iso9660 but it really isn't | 18:21 |
| valdyn | iso is a common extension for the image of the data track on an optical disk | 18:22 |
| valdyn | not of the whole disk | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 18:22 |
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| alterego | It's not like you use .udf for dvds is it. | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | toc != data | 18:22 |
| alterego | Oh yes, good oint .. | 18:22 |
| alterego | -point .. | 18:22 |
| alterego | Have you tried renaming the .bin file .wav :) | 18:23 |
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| valdyn | mplayer will probably play it straight | 18:23 |
| alterego | yeah | 18:23 |
| lardman | yeah it can I think | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | that, though it *might* work, wouldn't allow playback of a single song of a CD img | 18:23 |
| lardman | can if you know the offset times | 18:24 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: no, but seek and reading the .cue would. | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what the cuesheet is for | 18:24 |
| alterego | O cddb .. | 18:24 |
| alterego | or cddb ... | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 18:24 |
| alterego | tbh, I've not used CDs in bloody ages :) | 18:25 |
| javispedro | alterego: windows does "mount" cddas as kind of a filesystem, but it makes as much sense as mounting a dvd video where chapters = files | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: tbh I never felt happy with crappy mp3 | 18:25 |
| javispedro | and in fact virtually no application uses windows' cddafs abstraction and just plays cddas directly | 18:25 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: meh :P | 18:25 |
| alterego | javispedro: so? | 18:25 |
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| javispedro | it makes no sense; a cdda should be considered as large pcm stream. | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 18:26 |
| alterego | m'hmm | 18:26 |
| alterego | I'm not disagreeing with you, but I still think it depends how you look at it. | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I want to hear CD album without gaps between the songs that are meant to fade one into the next | 18:27 |
| alterego | Single file concatenated files, bluergh | 18:27 |
| valdyn | DocScrutinizer: amarok cant do that? | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | not sure about amarok | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | it might know how to handle cuesheets | 18:28 |
| alterego | Still, without the cue you wont be able to infur a cddb entry either. | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | or really play seamless gapless | 18:28 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: how do you invisage this working? | 18:29 |
| alterego | ideally .. | 18:29 |
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| lardman | hmm, mafw renderer destroys the pipeline and rebuilds it between each playlist entry | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ideally... the player reads in a cuesheet and converts it to song objects that have start & end pointers into a .bin | 18:30 |
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| alterego | m'hmm | 18:30 |
| alterego | Well, we could add .cue support to tracker | 18:31 |
| lardman | well the mafw source parses the cue file and allows these objects to be added to the mafw playlist, then they are passed to the renderer which will call a gst source element which can extract the audio | 18:31 |
| alterego | and .cue support to mafw | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you got a playlist that has consecutive songs from same img, then the player pipeline should get fed with a single consecutive file to playback, I guess | 18:31 |
| valdyn | I dont see the point, flac is fine | 18:31 |
| alterego | valdyn: for you, DocScrutinizer is special :P | 18:32 |
| valdyn | appearantly | 18:32 |
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| lardman | docscrutinizer: won't work like that with the way the renderer is setup | 18:32 |
| lardman | but it will appear to work like that if we can get gapless to work with the gst renderer | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: that's why I suggested you check carefully your architecture | 18:33 |
| alterego | lardman: does mafw reconstruct the pipline every track? | 18:33 |
| alterego | I guess it must do .. | 18:33 |
| lardman | well i see no reason why it can't work, assuming the renderer can be made to not destroy if the next file is the same type | 18:33 |
| lardman | alterego: yes | 18:33 |
| lardman | lol @ this comment in the source: | 18:34 |
| lardman | * Constructs gst pipeline | 18:34 |
| lardman | * | 18:34 |
| lardman | * FIXME: Could the same pipeline be used for playing all media instead of | 18:34 |
| lardman | * constantly deleting and reconstructing it again? | 18:34 |
| lardman | */ | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHA | 18:34 |
| alterego | Hahah | 18:34 |
| alterego | Has anyone looked at grillo? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | errm, I'm using it | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | if that counts | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | grilo | 18:35 |
| lardman | alterego: no, MohammadAG was wanting to stick with mafw so we remain compatiable with other stuff atm | 18:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: ?? | 18:36 |
| GAN900 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=892916&postcount=83 | 18:36 |
| alterego | lardman: I understand, I did push him that way myself. | 18:36 |
| GAN900 | I kinda want to thank that post | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: is grilo breaking mafw? | 18:37 |
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| alterego | Still, ... | 18:37 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: not sure, I thought grilo was a replacement for mafw | 18:37 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: grilo is api incompatible | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, so I dunno what grilo is then | 18:38 |
| javispedro | there's afaik a plugin for mafw to be able to use grilo sources iirc | 18:38 |
| alterego | Just making another media player seems pointless for an OS that (at least in my mind) will be a minority on N900s in 6 months | 18:38 |
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| javispedro | alterego: sure! (goes check Fremantle on his N810) | 18:38 |
| lardman | alterego: indeed, but that depends on how fast Meego matures | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a plugin for mediaplayer to use grilo select dialogs, for files, radios, youtube? | 18:38 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, mafw for now, Qt's APIs can be used in 6 months | 18:39 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yes | 18:39 |
| lardman | is it worth trying to implement gapless and various extra sources then? | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui via menu->plugins(grilo)->files you can select media that isn't shown by mediaplayer tracker-based selections | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | and add them to playlist as usual | 18:40 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: but you're mimmicking the ux, which isn't _that_ great :P | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: if it's not worth to implement it to maemo-mohmediaplayer, then this app is not worth being written at all | 18:41 |
| alterego | mohammediaplayer? :D | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good one | 18:42 |
| javispedro | does anyone know from head which process implements org.maemo.Playback.Manager? | 18:42 |
| lardman | quite, well I reckon we chip in and get Meego working well enough | 18:42 |
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| alterego | I was just thinking why not replace mafw with grillo | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: too late, that's a name too good to ever vanish | 18:44 |
| alterego | Though, if mafw can use grillo, that's even better. | 18:44 |
| lardman | :) | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, why replace mafw and break tons (k, I'm exaggerating) of apps | 18:44 |
| javispedro | yeah | 18:44 |
| lardman | Basically it should be quite simple to add the existing mafw stuff, but I'm unsure whether it's worth extending mafw assuming it's not going to be used in the future | 18:45 |
| alterego | I think my app is the only one you'd break | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what the F* would break when one app is using a different lib? | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | last.fm, your status updater which you're rewriting in C++, qwerty12's status applet and message-like notifications | 18:45 |
| javispedro | the entire reason for mohammediaplayer to exist is not wanting to replace maemo =) | 18:45 |
| alterego | Well, that and the headphoned | 18:45 |
| alterego | pfft | 18:45 |
| javispedro | not yet, at least. | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, cause it's being replaced | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | (the stock app) | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 18:45 |
| alterego | This, is why I'm not getting heavily involved :P | 18:45 |
| lardman | javispedro: I don't subscribe to that though | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, you hate maemo? | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, hey, you could still use #ifdef! | 18:46 |
| alterego | No, I love it, but I do think working in alignment wth meego s better. | 18:46 |
| luke-jr | I reckon we write ebuilds for all the few useful MeeGo components and run Gentoo. | 18:46 |
| lardman | bloody Gentoo | 18:46 |
| wmarone | hold on, can't take phonecalls my phone is compiling | 18:47 |
| lardman | well Meego will be finished by the time it's all built ;) | 18:47 |
| luke-jr | wmarone: N900 isn't a phone | 18:47 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: willing to host a N900 binhost? I'd use it :) | 18:47 |
| luke-jr | lardman: but MeeGo isn't a phone | 18:47 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: I already do | 18:47 |
| wmarone | luke-jr: partially ;) | 18:47 |
| luke-jr | err | 18:47 |
| luke-jr | but MeeGo isn't Gentoo* | 18:47 |
| alterego | I see any rather large effort on solely maemo as kind of pointless, bug fixes and stuff fine. But an entire media player? | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: writing an app that's not easily portable between both worlds definitely is a dead end path | 18:47 |
| luke-jr | alterego: Gentoo! | 18:48 |
| lardman | alterego: actually a media player should be quite simple using mafw, but yes I agree with your sentiment | 18:48 |
| alterego | Which, again I wouldn't have issue with, except you're mimmicking the maemo stock player, which is rubbish :P | 18:48 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: url binhost? | 18:48 |
| javispedro | *for | 18:48 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: um, small problem w/ that actually | 18:49 |
| luke-jr | I don't have the resources to comply w/ GPLs | 18:49 |
| javispedro | I'm not interested in booting it, so no problem for me | 18:49 |
| luke-jr | so I'll share it on the condition you agree that it is for non-GPL'd bins only ;) | 18:49 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I'll stop ranting and try to port meegodiaplayer to maemo for you :P | 18:49 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/packages/gcc44/ | 18:50 |
| alterego | (the movie player is quite sweet) | 18:50 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: see also http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/overlay.xml | 18:50 |
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| luke-jr | javispedro: haven't updated in a couple of months tho, doing that now | 18:50 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: no hurries, I don't know when I'll find time to build it | 18:51 |
| luke-jr | build what? :P | 18:51 |
| javispedro | s/build/install,make,untar,whatever | 18:51 |
| javispedro | and thanks :) | 18:52 |
| luke-jr | the big downside of the GPL is the burden it puts on people who just want to share binaries of publicly available code :/ | 18:52 |
| lardman | hmm | 18:52 |
| lardman | if someone asks you for the code, you can download it and send it to them can't you? | 18:53 |
| luke-jr | lardman: I suppose… | 18:53 |
| luke-jr | but what if they ask for the complete code of everything? | 18:53 |
| luke-jr | I have to spend hours tracking it down | 18:53 |
| lardman | yeah, but equally your build scripts must grab the code too, so I'm sure it can't be that hard | 18:54 |
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| luke-jr | but then, I suppose I could chalk that up to cost of getting them the copy… | 18:54 |
| lardman | lol | 18:54 |
| luke-jr | lardman: they do, but I wipe that dir regularly | 18:54 |
| luke-jr | don't have that much free space x.x | 18:54 |
| javispedro | there's also some interesting problems -- there are some ways you can build firefox that make it unredistributable | 18:54 |
| javispedro | (the binary) | 18:54 |
| javispedro | because of trademark issues | 18:54 |
| Wizzup | Only if you compile with firefox branding | 18:55 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: so what's your take on the whole thing then? | 18:55 |
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| lardman | MohammadAG: will you want to stick with Maemo, or do you think it will be some significant time before Meego is day-to-day usable, or do you want to do this to prove a point | 18:56 |
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| lardman | all of which are acceptable explanations | 18:56 |
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| FauxFaux | Mmm, remvoing an Exchange account doesn't remove all the appointments for said account; is there a way to do that? | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | or do you want to implement it in a way it's easily ported to meego | 18:58 |
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| MohammadAG | lardman, I just don't think MeeGo will be usable on the N900, so on the N900, I'm sticking to M5 | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm on the same page here | 18:59 |
| Jartza | I'm on a chair | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm on the run, for doener... | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 19:00 |
| javispedro | I'm on some universe. | 19:00 |
| javispedro | can anyone point me for directions? | 19:00 |
| alterego | for whgat? | 19:00 |
| alterego | ~what? | 19:00 |
| infobot | idk | 19:01 |
| alterego | Hah | 19:01 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: please read http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/packages/GPL-COMPLIANCE.txt | 19:02 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, been looking at the code you gave me once, .call("GetProperty", "button.state.value"), where did you get button.state.value from? | 19:02 |
| alterego | 19:03 | |
| alterego | The interface is more interesting mohammad | 19:03 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: I already have rules in place to give a 403 Forbidden to any attempts to download the binpkgs for Nokia closed stuff ;) | 19:03 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: "I agree" *click-wrap* | 19:04 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, I'm just trying to do dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.get_extension_property string:volume | 19:06 |
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| javispedro | doesn't mafw have qt bindings? | 19:07 |
| javispedro | this reminds me. MAFW appeared on the harmattan sw stack. | 19:07 |
| javispedro | I wonder if that's still the case. | 19:07 |
| alterego | javispedro: probably, or its' been replaced by grillo | 19:08 |
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| luke-jr | 2a01? that's a new /16 | 19:08 |
| alterego | Harmattan will, I imagine be a lot like what we have now, just with meego-touch on top ^.^ | 19:08 |
| alterego | AKA DUI | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, grillo is planned for Maemo 8 | 19:08 |
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| MohammadAG | Maemo will follow Windows's path | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | Maemo 6 will suck, 7 will rock, 8 will be DOA | 19:09 |
| luke-jr | are you complimenting Windows 7? | 19:09 |
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| MohammadAG | maybe | 19:11 |
| * Arkenoi got strange impression that nokia is discouraging using "linux" APIs (gstreamer/evolution/pulseaudio/whatever) in meego software and is trying to push everyone to writing in Qt and Qt-related APIs (similaro to ones ported to symbian. This means we basically get "yet another mobile platform" which definitely sucks. | 19:12 | |
| ke^ | windows 7 is from the deepest shit. | 19:12 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: wtf? | 19:12 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: gstreamer/evolution/pulseaudio/whatever are GNOME APIs, not Linux | 19:12 |
| luke-jr | and GOOD. GNOME needs to die | 19:12 |
| javispedro | Arkenoi: it is not an impression. | 19:12 |
| javispedro | Arkenoi: it's what they're doing. They want to sell to you the fact that "you'd be able to run your app under Symbian". | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | Symbian is dead | 19:13 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: or Windows. or Mac. or KDE> | 19:13 |
| ke^ | Agree. | 19:13 |
| luke-jr | or Android. | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | Android has Qt? | 19:13 |
| luke-jr | it has a port in works at least | 19:13 |
| javispedro | virtually any platform has Qt. Doesn't matter until it has half of Mobility ported. | 19:13 |
| ke^ | Only reason nokia should keep symbian alive is low end mobile phones. Only place symbian suits. | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG | officially? | 19:14 |
| luke-jr | no ofc not | 19:14 |
| blackthorne | hi | 19:14 |
| ke^ | else where no need. | 19:14 |
| luke-jr | ke^: phones are dumb | 19:14 |
| Arkenoi | javispedro, luke-jr gnome apis are now integral part of linux desktop, like it or not. Dumping it means the raising development costs. It would be similar to yet another IOS or Android, self-contained environment. | 19:14 |
| blackthorne | can you read/send SMS with n900 threw your computer? | 19:14 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: NO | 19:14 |
| javispedro | Arkenoi: note that I agree with you. | 19:14 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: GNOME APIs are NOT integral to anything | 19:14 |
| * alterego continues porting mtf | 19:14 | |
| * MohammadAG sighs | 19:15 | |
| * luke-jr has glib/gtk blocked on his PCs | 19:15 | |
| javispedro | Arkenoi: but we discussed this many times around =) | 19:15 |
| alterego | and I'm going to try and port meego video player | 19:15 |
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| alterego | Then you wont have to worry about video support MohammadAG :) | 19:15 |
| javispedro | alterego: mtf is already ported. at least older versions of it (for 4.6) | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I'm not dumping the project | 19:15 |
| alterego | javispedro: didn't compile for PR1.3 it seems it's no longer in the repo | 19:15 |
| alterego | Beside the latest git should be better .. | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, MeeGo on the N900 is a concept, nothing usable | 19:16 |
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| alterego | s/MeeGo/Mohammedia-player/ :P | 19:17 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, sigh | 19:17 |
| alterego | MeeGo works, it might not be prime time ready, but it works | 19:17 |
| Arkenoi | I found maemo to be so attractive because it is not "mobile" or "embedded". It is slightly (maybe not enough) optimized for touch UI and low power consumption, but you basically may compile any desktop program changing ONLY UI (and even not changing anything if you need it running right now) | 19:17 |
| Arkenoi | losing this feature would be a disaster | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, riiight... | 19:17 |
| alterego | Making it better should be on our priority list, not plugging holes in a sinking ship :P | 19:17 |
| javispedro | Arkenoi: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-12-09.log.html#t2010-12-09T02:16:47 | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | it's a lost cause on the N900's hardware alterego | 19:18 |
| alterego | Bullshit | 19:18 |
| alterego | That is complete rubbish | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | not really | 19:18 |
| blackthorne | Arkenoi: low power comsumption? how long does each charge last? | 19:18 |
| alterego | The N900 is more than capable of running MeeGo | 19:18 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: that's how it always is | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, you've been sounding like a Nokian recently :P | 19:18 |
| luke-jr | alterego: not really | 19:18 |
| alterego | Hell, with the correct optimizations MeeGo should run quite well on an N8x0 .. | 19:18 |
| alterego | luke-jr: yes, really. | 19:19 |
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| luke-jr | alterego: 3D-less MeeGo maybe | 19:19 |
| alterego | Why 3Dless? | 19:19 |
| MohammadAG | s/correct\ optimizations/stripping\ down/ | 19:19 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: rubbish | 19:19 |
| luke-jr | alterego: because SGX is closed | 19:19 |
| alterego | Doesn't need to be stripped. | 19:19 |
| MohammadAG | then why push the N9? | 19:19 |
| Arkenoi | blackthorne, much longer than any android running connected :-) | 19:19 |
| alterego | luke-jr: m'hmm, aaaand .. | 19:19 |
| luke-jr | and MBX even more closed | 19:19 |
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| MohammadAG | luke-jr, that's kinda invalid, MeeGo will get a new driver for the SGX | 19:20 |
| javispedro | that might or might not work on the N900. | 19:20 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: why? | 19:20 |
| blackthorne | Arkenoi: I just want to know if everything is normal with my recently acquired n900. How long does it handle? | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, vsync | 19:20 |
| luke-jr | blackthorne: should last a week or so without SIM/WiFi | 19:20 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: "stripped down" is bullshit, do you think your laptop runs any slower when your system is 2G or when it's 250G? | 19:20 |
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| luke-jr | MohammadAG: why would ImgTec provide such a driver? | 19:20 |
| alterego | rubbish | 19:20 |
| blackthorne | are many people using n900 without SIM? | 19:21 |
| alterego | It's about optimizing the system for the hardware. And MeeGo is pretty much the same as Maemo. | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I wasn't referring to storage | 19:21 |
| alterego | You said stripped. | 19:21 |
| javispedro | alterego: the same, they only changed the distro and the toolkit! | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | does your laptop run slower with 256MB RAM? | 19:21 |
| alterego | Why else woud you "strip" .. | 19:21 |
| Arkenoi | blackthorne, 1-2 days depending on cpu load online (given you have wifi coverage most of the time), 3-4 days if internet connection is disabled (but there is no good reason to abuse it like that) | 19:21 |
| alterego | javispedro: marginal overhead difference .. | 19:21 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: GTK uses more memory than Qt | 19:21 |
| luke-jr | and is slower | 19:21 |
| alterego | And no one will know .. | 19:22 |
| luke-jr | just moving to Qt should provide a performance boost | 19:22 |
| blackthorne | Arkenoi: with internet connection disabled most of the time, I can't go over 2 days | 19:22 |
| alterego | And with the hardware floating point support ala neon extensions we'll get a pretty hefty performance boost. | 19:22 |
| luke-jr | blackthorne: I've seen N900 battery level go *up* when in Offline Mode, idle :p | 19:22 |
| luke-jr | blackthorne: your N900 is new? | 19:22 |
| luke-jr | or used? | 19:22 |
| alterego | luke-jr: I've seen it do that when not in offline mode :P | 19:22 |
| blackthorne | new, it hasn't more than a week | 19:22 |
| blackthorne | 200 euros | 19:23 |
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| blackthorne | :) | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, anyways, I'm not making the switch on the N900 | 19:23 |
| Arkenoi | Actually Maemo is quite well-balanced. I was afraid it would be something like Zaurus , "pocked desktop" with extremely questionable PDA usability, but it turned out to be just fine. | 19:23 |
| Arkenoi | s/pocked/pocket/ | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | so, I'd rather be the captain that goes down with the sinking ship | 19:23 |
| infobot | Arkenoi meant: Actually Maemo is quite well-balanced. I was afraid it would be something like Zaurus , "pocket desktop" with extremely questionable PDA usability, but it turned out to be just fine. | 19:23 |
| alterego | MohI'm not telling you to switch, I'm telling you to align :P | 19:23 |
| alterego | Help, | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | help with what? | 19:23 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: actually, Maemo and Zaurus aren't so different | 19:24 |
| alterego | I know it's not ready yet, but the more we push the quicker it will become a viable, and better maemo replacement. | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | I tried getting the SDK installed, it keeps telling me the URL can't be resolved or whatever, so I was like meh, and left it | 19:24 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: there is a lot of things that need doing :P | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | kept* | 19:24 |
| Arkenoi | luke-jr, but i refused to buy Zaurus because it sucked as PDA big time. | 19:24 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, FYI, while I had no knowledge in programming a year ago, I had the Maemo 5 SDK installed since September 2009 | 19:24 |
| Arkenoi | i had "pocket desktop PCs" sine 1994 and i know it sucks :-) | 19:25 |
| alterego | ooOOOOoo :P | 19:25 |
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| Arkenoi | well, it ruled until "real" PDAs came to the scene | 19:25 |
| yacc_ | Any way to "share" a webpage? | 19:25 |
| blackthorne | I'm considering this gadget as n900 emergency charger | 19:25 |
| blackthorne | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Emergency-charger-External-Battery-Pack-/120640014648?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_PDAsAccessories_PDACharger&hash=item1c16b48938 | 19:25 |
| Arkenoi | (palm does not qualify, though) | 19:25 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: my point is, I'm not going to be around much longer, in #maemo, so if you want me I'll be there :P | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, and while the instructions weren't noob friendly, they worked, unlike http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Install_MeeGo_Target | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I'm on #meego, have been for about two months I think | 19:26 |
| alterego | pfft | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | #meego-meeting too, forgot to part | 19:26 |
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| luke-jr | Arkenoi: PDAs suck. get over it. | 19:27 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: I was always quite happy with my Zaurus | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | meh, it's downloading now | 19:27 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:27 |
| Arkenoi | well, i was relatively happy with Prolinear pocket PC and HP 200lx | 19:28 |
| Arkenoi | early WinCE sucked and so Palm did | 19:28 |
| alterego | Well, mtf is buiklding quite nicely for me in scratchbox | 19:28 |
| alterego | If I get it working I'll upload the new version to -devel | 19:28 |
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| luke-jr | Arkenoi: Windows always sucks | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | mtf=? | 19:28 |
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| luke-jr | Palm was only a PDA | 19:28 |
| alterego | Then I'll see about porting meego-core apps | 19:28 |
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| alterego | meegotouch | 19:28 |
| luke-jr | Zaurus/Maemo = handheld laptops | 19:29 |
| luke-jr | not PDAs/phones | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | ...framework, got it | 19:29 |
| alterego | Already got a bug report for meego from this ;) | 19:29 |
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| Arkenoi | but since i got Nokia 9000 i did not ever consider to return to a "pocket desktop". | 19:29 |
| luke-jr | yawn | 19:29 |
| alterego | several files wont compile because newlines are missing from the end :D | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | 9000? there's a new one, already?! | 19:29 |
| alterego | 5 and counting | 19:29 |
| luke-jr | alterego: um, C/C++/Qt don't require newlines at all | 19:29 |
| Arkenoi | MohammadAG, nope, that was the oldest one :-) | 19:29 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: wild guess -Wall -Werror | 19:30 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: I'm fine with KDE on a C760-sized device | 19:30 |
| Arkenoi | 1998, actually 9000i | 19:30 |
| alterego | luke-jr: they do under some circumstances. | 19:30 |
| luke-jr | macros. | 19:30 |
| alterego | Yes | 19:30 |
| alterego | Exactly ;) | 19:30 |
| alterego | And with certain options | 19:30 |
| luke-jr | strip the \s :P | 19:30 |
| alterego | It's a mixture of both. | 19:30 |
| luke-jr | hm, still #ifdefs and such | 19:31 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: or were you using the crappy tall Zaurii? | 19:31 |
| alterego | The point is, if it doesn't compile with the default compiler flags and settings, it's broken. | 19:31 |
| alterego | Here's another one. | 19:31 |
| luke-jr | alterego: if the default compiler flags include -Werror, THAT is broken | 19:31 |
| alterego | Oh, this is a real error. | 19:32 |
| alterego | debug build I guess. | 19:32 |
| alterego | unused variable | 19:32 |
| alterego | s/error/warning/ | 19:32 |
| alterego | But obviously with these flags .. | 19:32 |
| luke-jr | alterego: if the default compiler flags include -Werror, THAT is broken | 19:32 |
| * MohammadAG stabs 1:40 download time | 19:32 | |
| alterego | luke-jr: pfft, why? | 19:32 |
| luke-jr | I'm not aware of the C spec saying it is mandatory to have a newline at EOF | 19:32 |
| luke-jr | nor that unused variables are forbidden | 19:33 |
| alterego | So? | 19:33 |
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| alterego | It doesn't really matter that some good practices aren't in the specs. | 19:33 |
| luke-jr | so it's valid C code | 19:33 |
| alterego | The spec doesn't tell you how to code well. | 19:33 |
| luke-jr | :P | 19:33 |
| alterego | give a scht :P | 19:33 |
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| * MohammadAG ponders getting an Aava | 19:35 | |
| javispedro | can you? | 19:35 |
| alterego | Hrm, interesting .. | 19:35 |
| * MohammadAG wonders why | 19:35 | |
| MohammadAG | isn't it available for sale? | 19:36 |
| javispedro | they do not sell it yet afaik | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG | oh :/ | 19:36 |
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| Kaadlajk | you dont want aava anyway :P | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG | cause I cba to backup my SD card, dd an image to it, restore the backup I made each time I need to update MeeGo | 19:38 |
| alterego | Heh, | 19:39 |
| alterego | USB HOST MohammadAG :P | 19:39 |
| alterego | What are you doing using old micro sd cards :P | 19:39 |
| alterego | USB host is the futuuuuuure :D | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, compile 2.6.35 with the patches, kthxbye | 19:39 |
| alterego | Yes, I spent 5 quid on a 4G Micro SD | 19:40 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I mean't why aren't you using external USB devices for your user storage. | 19:40 |
| * MohammadAG had a 4GB microSD card, it shows -110 now | 19:40 | |
| alterego | Leaving the SD free for MEeGo | 19:40 |
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| MohammadAG | error -110, unable to initialize or something | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I have 3 batteries, and I barely get a day's use | 19:40 |
| alterego | O_o | 19:41 |
| alterego | You must be some user :P | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | might get another battery tbh | 19:41 |
| alterego | Or learn to charge :P | 19:42 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, I charge all 3 daily | 19:42 |
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| MohammadAG | one in the N900, one in an external charger, and the last in the N95 (muhahaha) | 19:42 |
| Arkenoi | luke, none of it appeared to be usable in zaurus "golden era". I found semi-reasonable UI to be written somewhere circa 2007 | 19:43 |
| Gh0sty | hello luke-jr | 19:43 |
| Gh0sty | you awake again? :P | 19:43 |
| Gh0sty | or still ... | 19:43 |
| alterego | You see, this is why, when I'm using a computer, my N900 is always plugged into it. | 19:43 |
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| Roksteady | Lame question probably, but I got my N900 today... I already have a corporate Exchange account, so I can't use it for Google Contacts, Calendar and Mail.. what to do? | 19:43 |
| FauxFaux | You can use both Google and Exchange accounts at the same time on your n900.. | 19:44 |
| javispedro | ooh | 19:44 |
| javispedro | the source for ohm-plugins-misc has been released! | 19:44 |
| Roksteady | FauxFaux: Yeah but I want the Contacts sync, as far as I understand it you need MfE for that? | 19:44 |
| javispedro | weren't you complaining about maemo policy stuff being closed?? | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, funny, I just got the Battery Full notification | 19:45 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | it's connected to my PC when I'm using Qt Creator | 19:45 |
| Arkenoi | btw do we have sdio? i want to use this thing: http://www.certgate.com/index.php?id=71&L=1 | 19:45 |
| alterego | Good for you, you're getting it right then ;) | 19:45 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: more like 2004 | 19:45 |
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| FauxFaux | Roksteady: So synch with the corporate Exhcange..? | 19:45 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: stop using it to watch porn whilst its' connected then? :P | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, still, I don't get a day's use since I'm not near my PC when I'm out | 19:45 |
| Roksteady | FauxFaux: I want to synch with my Gmail account. | 19:45 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, who uses a 3" screen for porn when it's connected to a 15" laptop? | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | with HDMI output | 19:46 |
| luke-jr | porn should be criminal >:O | 19:46 |
| FauxFaux | Roksteady: 10/17:44:24 < FauxFaux> You can use both Google and Exchange accounts at the same time on your n900.. | 19:46 |
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| alterego | curious | 19:46 |
| * FauxFaux slaps luke-jr. | 19:46 | |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: wat | 19:46 |
| FauxFaux | Hetrosexual consensual porn should be illegal, perhaps. ¬_¬ | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I do have xVST compiled for it though | 19:47 |
| luke-jr | FauxFaux: you can't consent to abuse | 19:47 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: are you sersious? | 19:47 |
| Shapeshifter | *serious | 19:47 |
| luke-jr | ofc | 19:47 |
| Shapeshifter | xD | 19:47 |
| Shapeshifter | oh dear. | 19:47 |
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| FauxFaux | Shapeshifter: <3 | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | does MeeGo support multitouch atm? | 19:48 |
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| FauxFaux | luke-jr: So I shouldn't be allowed to send you a picture of my pen^Wtits? | 19:48 |
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| alterego | what's the short cut for installing builddeps? | 19:48 |
| wmarone | FauxFaux: please don't get him started | 19:49 |
| luke-jr | FauxFaux: not if it's porn | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get build-dep | 19:49 |
| alterego | Hrm, what if the package isn't in the repo .. | 19:49 |
| alterego | Oh well, nevermind. | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | xargs :P | 19:50 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: "let's make it illegal. that will fix all our problems" - oh wait... prostitution is already illegal in many states, and we're seeing how well that is working out. women can't even go to the police if something happens | 19:50 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: also, what business do *you* have with what other people do with their bodies. | 19:50 |
| wmarone | Shapeshifter: please, not you too | 19:50 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: I'm not the government. | 19:50 |
| * javispedro finally gets to know the insane logic behind playback policies in maemo.... *drums* | 19:50 | |
| luke-jr | and criminals shouldn't expect legal protection | 19:50 |
| Shapeshifter | wmarone: okay, okay. I'll be quiet. | 19:50 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: have a nice day living in your dream bubble. | 19:51 |
| Gh0sty | luke-jr: the small programm you created for me this morning does work but it pops up a "select connection" window :x | 19:52 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: wtf O.o | 19:52 |
| Gh0sty | not sure why it tries to make a connection to wifi or 3G for gps ? :/ | 19:52 |
| luke-jr | it doesn't. | 19:52 |
| luke-jr | it opens a phonet socket to talk to GPS | 19:52 |
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| Gh0sty | but you have to run it as root right? | 19:53 |
| luke-jr | probably | 19:53 |
| luke-jr | someone could probably do it in Python from a user | 19:53 |
| luke-jr | using the Qt APIs | 19:53 |
| Gh0sty | as user i get an main: assertion 'ack >=0' failed on line 61 | 19:54 |
| Gh0sty | and when I go at it as root ... | 19:54 |
| Gh0sty | it gives "no connections available" -> select connection dialog | 19:54 |
| Gh0sty | when i dismiss that one I get the cell number in the shell | 19:54 |
| Gh0sty | but ... after a while that select connection dialog comes back even ... | 19:55 |
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| ke^ | cj12hs6z | 20:04 |
| ke^ | us2e99dl4 | 20:04 |
| ke^ | hmm | 20:04 |
| ke^ | wrong place | 20:04 |
| ke^ | :D | 20:04 |
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| luke-jr | Gh0sty: maybe it's unrelated | 20:06 |
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| Gh0sty | nono i restarted my phone ... | 20:11 |
| Gh0sty | then its gone | 20:11 |
| Gh0sty | and its reproducible :p | 20:11 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 20:12 |
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| Gh0sty | hold on a sec | 20:14 |
| Gh0sty | let me check that against a ps aux ... | 20:14 |
| Gh0sty | whats going on exactly ... | 20:14 |
| Gh0sty | just gonna connect it to my pc so I have a descent screen to compare :) | 20:15 |
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| javispedro | my n900 suddently died =) | 20:50 |
| javispedro | n900 battery | 20:50 |
| Arkenoi | toresbe, wow, you have *several* pdp-11s? I have just one, one VAX and one pdp-11 russian clone | 20:50 |
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| javispedro | according to bme it was at 50%, shutted down, and now it's been emergency charging for ~30 minutes (so it stopped) | 20:51 |
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| javispedro | lol | 20:52 |
| javispedro | removed battery, inserted again, boots instantely, 50% again | 20:52 |
| javispedro | *instantly | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: shit | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: clean the contacts | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | or has cell been too cold/warm? | 20:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | kj | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | aj | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Migy you have joggled it? | 20:57 |
| javispedro | it was on a table ,but I think DocScrutinizer nailed it with warm->cold | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: If so - take the batery out, clean the contacts, and perhaps use a pin or something to bend them ever so slightly harder | 20:58 |
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| RST38h | well. moo. | 20:59 |
| RST38h | heya javispedro | 20:59 |
| javispedro | was using SGX so it was quite hot (after the surprise shutdown it had already gotten to room temperature though) | 20:59 |
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| javispedro | hey RST38h, I have some free time so I'll fix preenv git | 20:59 |
| javispedro | s/I'll/I'm | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | be careful | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | my N810 battery fried ☹ | 20:59 |
| RST38h | yoooooooo | 21:00 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: well, if it was the battery one ... :P | 21:01 |
| javispedro | *only | 21:01 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you by any lucky incidence got the syslog of this event? | 21:06 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: nah, don't run syslog and even if I do I usually log to tmpfs | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | syslog and load applet should come with stock system config | 21:10 |
| javispedro | not worried about nand wear? | 21:11 |
| javispedro | specially with all the traffic in syslog due to overly verbose gnome debug messages | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really. For MP though, yes. Should have init.d/s99syslog-late: | 21:12 |
| javispedro | Sorry, MP here means? | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat /var/log/syslog >>~user/syslog && syslogd -c config.new && rm /var/log/syslog; (MassProduct) | 21:13 |
| javispedro | ah. | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also needs logrotate then, for the noobs | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and cleanup | 21:17 |
| johnsq | 2gb syslog | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhm, what? | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | who? where? | 21:18 |
| johnsq | DocScrutinizer: when ~/user/syslog isn't cleaned | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-10 20:17:36] <DocScrutinizer> and cleanup | 21:18 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders how to heat up his dev device :-P | 21:21 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | since Nokia still refuses to give hints about how to handle such a situation, when replacing bme, I guess we're on our own for testing limits and reaction tactics | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/testing/finding out about/ | 21:23 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: since Nokia still refuses to give hints about how to handle such a situation, when replacing bme, I guess we're on our own for finding out about limits and reaction tactics | 21:23 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: run a fullscreen game all while downloading from 3g :) | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | hummm | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: be sure to make a loud stink and blame Nokia if you make it explode | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | My device is coincidentally in the oven. | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | blame? blame???? I'll sue them from EU to USA and back! | 21:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ~60C for a couple of days - it got a little damp. | 21:26 |
| javispedro | and then sue it again! | 21:26 |
| SpeedEvil | And was doing wierd things. | 21:26 |
| SpeedEvil | So, just in case | 21:26 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, is your power button broken as in doesn't click? Or doesn't get detected? | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | see, Nokia says they can't release info about battery management as that's legally questionable. Regarding liability and responsibility. I however say I asked them several times, and they knew I'm already messing around with charging, and I asked them how to do it safe way. They refused to help. MAybe that's also some kind of responsibility the had | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: both | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, open the device and move the motherboard a bit | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | apparently, the buttons are just a rubber piece that clicks a button under it | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, no. it clicks fine | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | but needs a very special touch to actually work sometimes | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | special device I guess ;P | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, special nokia treatment | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | too much for a small switch | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | weren't the vikings from Finland? Or Norway? umm | 21:33 |
| nox- | moin | 21:36 |
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| trx | im trying to create a .deb | 22:04 |
| trx | when i try dpgk-buildpackage inside the scratchbox it gives an error | 22:04 |
| trx | : Scratchbox has unsatisfying version: debhelper 5.0.42 | 22:04 |
| trx | what the hell? | 22:04 |
| FauxFaux | It's unsatisfying. | 22:05 |
| trx | i figured that much, thank you. | 22:06 |
| juk | hi, i don't see pictures in evopedia, using this Wikipedia en (2010-06-22) (10.5 GB, via BitTorrent) | 22:08 |
| juk | dump | 22:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer hums the notorious Roling Stones song | 22:08 | |
| juk | hello? | 22:11 |
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| javispedro | "unsatisfying" version? | 22:12 |
| javispedro | is this a non C locale translated message, or is it the original one? | 22:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer starts to sing loud "I can get no!!! Sa Tis Fac Tion!!" | 22:13 | |
| trx | original | 22:14 |
| RST38h | US prosecutors plan to file spying charges against Julian Assange soon in connection with the publishing of secret diplomatic memos on the WikiLeaks website. | 22:15 |
| RST38h | "Serious, active investigation" | 22:15 |
| * RST38h snickers | 22:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lamers | 22:15 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo i like this, my football team finally get a match shown on tv, and i watch, they score... yay good timing | 22:16 |
| RST38h | clowns | 22:16 |
| erstazi | juk: probably the images were not included | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | morons | 22:16 |
| RST38h | not morons, no | 22:16 |
| juk | erstazi: ah | 22:16 |
| erstazi | juk: I used the tarball from the earlier date (2010-01-??) as it is a "complete dump" | 22:17 |
| RST38h | just setting goals alien to common sense | 22:17 |
| alterego | What kind of a world do we live in when a film as crap as Twilight gets so much acknowledgement :( | 22:17 |
| alterego | I'm getting so sick of the adverts | 22:17 |
| alterego | IT'S SO GAY! | 22:18 |
| erstazi | alterego: no joke | 22:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer picks up Homeland Security CEO on his way home, and beats him up for all the bad things CIA and FBI and NSA ever did | 22:18 | |
| RST38h | Why don'tyou turn the television off then? | 22:18 |
| juk | erstazi: thanks, getting one | 22:18 |
| alterego | Because I'm watching Star Trek 4! | 22:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | i lie, 2 goals!!! | 22:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | w000p | 22:18 |
| alterego | A real film :D | 22:18 |
| RST38h | alterego: Get it off torrent and watch it on a computer | 22:18 |
| RST38h | Or plug computer into your tv | 22:18 |
| alterego | pfft, but its' on now :P | 22:19 |
| alterego | Waste of bandwidth, especially going through my phone ^.^ | 22:19 |
| RST38h | 30 minutes and it will be "on" your computer | 22:19 |
| alterego | In 30 minutes Hitman is on! | 22:19 |
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| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, does QtMultimedia work on maemo? | 23:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, thats like asking how long is a piece of sting! | 23:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | partially ;) | 23:03 |
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| NooBmonk3y | the depths of it don't but the playing, recording etc does | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | I need to get volume levels | 23:03 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, how long is a piece of sting? | 23:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | the hardware part, selecting viewing etc no | 23:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, its as long as my empty bottle of wine ;) | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | sigh | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | then I need to find out why I'm getting "volume" instead of the actual level | 23:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, http://www.bevlaw.com/bevlog/fv/bacon-flavored-vodka | 23:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, i've not succeeded to get that yet, as far as i'm aware its something to do with QT detecting pulse, and pulse not liking qt lol | 23:05 |
| trx | um, did anyone had trouble while packaging with libcairo? | 23:05 |
| trx | specificaly, dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for libcairo.so.2 | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, so pulseaudio's just farting in the face | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | nice | 23:06 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, THANKS! | 23:06 |
| lcuk | added to christmas list | 23:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | i agree!!! :0 | 23:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | want my address to send it? hehehe | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | other way round :P | 23:06 |
| lcuk | asking santa for it for myself | 23:06 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, farting is the polite terminology | 23:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | supposedly new qt version may sort it, not holding my breath | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | #include <gasmask.h> fixes it! | 23:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | OMG! Lcuk!!! i've found the holy grail!! http://www.baconfreak.com/swine-and-wine-club-redwine.html | 23:08 |
| * NooBmonk3y needs to become a life long member | 23:08 | |
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| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, swine n guinness | 23:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, that actually sounds quite dangerous, a bit like absynth and bacon... sits at the bottom of the stomach, and explodes lol | 23:09 |
| * lcuk raises an eyebrow | 23:09 | |
| lcuk | personal experience? | 23:10 |
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| lcuk | the green elixor that oinks. | 23:10 |
| lcuk | lardman_, heh did you smell the conversation? | 23:10 |
| lcuk | <NooBmonk3y> OMG! Lcuk!!! i've found the holy grail!! http://www.baconfreak.com/swine-and-wine-club-redwine.html | 23:10 |
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| lcuk | ooh lbt too :P | 23:10 |
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| lbt | yu said b'con ? | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, not as dangerous as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmM00LDnLBI ! | 23:11 |
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| MohammadAG | (might be fake, but it looks fun *laughs*) | 23:11 |
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| npm | is the source code available for the nokia youtube uploader app ( http://store.ovi.com/content/39065?clickSource=publisher+channel ) ?? | 23:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | 23:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | lmfao! | 23:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | that slowmo has made my day! | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | npm, probably - not | 23:13 |
| npm | hmmm... but i thought this was linux ... :-/ | 23:14 |
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| MohammadAG | Linux doesn't have to be FOSS :P | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | hey nicolai :) | 23:14 |
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| nicolai | Hi! | 23:15 |
| NooBmonk3y | evening Aranel | 23:15 |
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| Aranel | NooBmonk3y: good evening to you too =) | 23:19 |
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| NooBmonk3y | :) | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WHEN??? is this blue highlight on missed calls in calls list supposed to vanish? | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | when you click it | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems never | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, doesn't do anything | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | try bleach | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | corrupt /home? | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this "phone" is such a crap | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | let's rewrite it! | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm all in | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | call-ui, call-history, contacts, ... ~nuke! | 23:29 |
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| jacekowski | how big is call-ui | 23:29 |
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| MohammadAG | the binary? | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ll /usr/bin/rtcom-call-ui.launch | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 102752 2010-04-16 16:11 /usr/bin/rtcom-call-ui.launch | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *burp* | 23:33 |
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| jacekowski | quite small | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | considering that part of it is ui code | 23:44 |
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| MohammadAG | UI is easy to recode, but nobody's coding for maemo anymore | 23:48 |
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| You`ve | got mail, type /server 1 to read it. | 23:52 |
| * lcuk slaps troll :P | 23:53 | |
| * You`ve failed. | 23:53 | |
| * lcuk tries again | 23:53 | |
| alterego | Heh | 23:54 |
| * You`ve failed. Again. | 23:54 | |
| nox- | haha | 23:54 |
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| cos^ | if there are any x-plane pilots here, this might be of interest http://coshacks.blogspot.com/2010/12/extplane-panel-for-x-plane.html | 23:56 |
| alterego | you know the 3d effect on the home screen, does anyone else think it's odd how you drag the background and not the foreground? | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | neat | 23:57 |
| alterego | neat | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, install live-wallpaper, you'll lose the feeling | 23:58 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I like it, I'd just prefer it if I was dragging the foreground and the background moved in perspective. | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, hildon-desktop and hildon-home are open ;) | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | but indeed I like it, it's mindfuck :P | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | s/it/it\ too/ | 23:59 |
| infobot | MohammadAG meant: but indeed I like it\ too, it's mindfuck :P | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | fuck you infobot | 23:59 |
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