IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-11-03

crashanddieand as I said, I thoroughly enjoy using them00:00
crashanddiebut it remains something that just doesn't scale -- AT ALL.00:00
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: sure, those list objects are rarely built in a cache efficient manner00:01
DocScrutinizerand objects are generally for the boys and mad scientists, while real hackers use c or assembler, or FORTRAN00:02
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keriocrashanddie: is C/C++ so much more efficient with heterogeneous containers of variable, unlimited size?00:03
crashanddieI have been saying this since I've first played with an N800: Maemo's biggest problem is that it suffers from the choice dilemma. When you first join, and ask what language, every fanboi starts screaming "Use $language". The truth remains that python is an excellent toy/prototyping platform, and even more so with Qt. However, for anything that requires low latency, and honest response times, you need a language that doesn't spe00:03
* Aranel is sad, spent an hour to learn a way to package a binary and a .desktop file easily but still getting FAILED e-mails :|00:04
DocScrutinizer100% ack for the rest00:05
tybolltfor random user space wankery python is fine - but you can't write an operatinsystem in python...00:06
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tybolltwe will see when they release bind 10, written in python00:07
tybollthow many distributions will still be using it00:07
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keriotybollt: what's the last time you wrote an OS00:09
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jacekowskii really love your arguments here00:10
jacekowskii can write faster code in python than average c++ programmer will write in c++00:10
jacekowskinot that i like python at all00:11
andaxaaahhhh who of you is stephen elop?00:11
jacekowskibesides, it's hacking time00:11
jacekowskii need to fix fmtxd again00:11
jacekowskinokia managed to break it again00:12
jacekowskiand make it incompatible with 1.2 fmtxd00:12
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alteregoMy brain is going gooing from fourier transform math :S00:18
sivangalterego: oo00:19
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sivanghey jacekowski00:19
sivangjacekowski: what's fmtxd?00:19
tripzero"this is your brain.  this is your brain doing fourier transforms"00:19
* sivang read he interesting discussion about YTHON00:19
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sivangsorry for the caps00:20
johnsqits a big snake00:20
alteregoI didn't realise signal processing was so complex :P00:20
sivangand yes, c++ code is mostly faster and consumes less system resources so for embedded development that is not customized strong boards you'd want c/c++00:20
sivangalterego: you are doing signal processing course?00:21
sivangalterego: people who have passed this one successfuly at my university are known to not speak the languageof humanoids00:21
alteregoNo, just learning about it.00:21
infobotwell, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at -- see ~flashing for how to update00:21
sivangalterego: ah, for a secret project?00:21
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alteregoIndeed :)00:22
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sivangalterego: tell tell :)00:22
sivangif it involves DSPs it oughtta be interesting00:22
alteregoI'm kindding, no secret project :PP00:22
alteregoI'm just interested in it at the moment.00:22
crashanddiealterego: FFT is cool00:22
crashanddiealterego: been eating those at work for a few months now00:23
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jacekowskisivang: it's software controlling fm transmitter in n90000:23
alteregocrashanddie: cool, got any pointers?00:23
sivangjacekowski: ah, didn't know it was open source00:24
alteregoI'm pretty lost at the moment, I've got a bout 10 tabs open in firefox and a couple of pdfs I'm crunching through ^.^00:24
crashanddiealterego: yeah, take your time and double, triple, quadruple check everything00:24
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crashanddieit's definitely one of the must bug-prone and "lolwut?"-creating areas of software I've had to work in yet00:24
sivangjacekowski: 1.3 borked it in what way?00:25
alteregocrashanddie: what kind of applications do you work with?00:25
alteregoWell, what are you using this stuff for? :)00:25
crashanddiealterego: call centre management server -- SIP calls, DTMF handling, etc.00:25
alteregoOh, neat.00:26
jacekowskisivang: it's not open source00:26
alteregoLike DTMF "parsing"?00:26
crashanddiealterego: yeah, for example00:26
crashanddiealterego: but also generation, and we use a heckuvalot of FTT for the test suites00:26
jacekowskisivang: but i modified it to allow full frequency range and full power all the time00:26
alteregoThat's actually kind of what I'm playing with at the moment ^.^00:27
jacekowskisivang: without checking for headphones/usb00:27
alteregoFFT + DTMF is a nice mix ^.^00:27
crashanddiebecause these services need to be online 24/7, we need to have test suites that can call the server and make sure it's answering properly, that the menus (press 1 for ...) are functioning correctly, and that the sound quality is reasonable00:27
tuliobaarssorry to intromiss00:27
alteregoIndeed, that's quite neat.00:27
tuliobaarsbut, why isn't my tablet booting?00:27
alteregotuliobaars: battery flat?00:28
tuliobaarsits freezed in logo screen00:28
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tuliobaarsno, i chaged with the e71 one00:28
tuliobaarsjust now00:28
tuliobaarsthe bp-4l00:28
sivangjacekowski: how di you modify it without the source?00:28
tuliobaarsand i cant reflash00:29
tuliobaarsbecause the flasher says00:29
tuliobaarsflasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009)  Suitable USB device not found, waiting. USB device found found at bus 002, device address 003. Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted00:29
Noobmonk3ymeh too much wine00:29
tuliobaarsas root00:29
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sivangNoobmonk3y: had this last night, still suffering the consequence of it. Was my birthday...00:29
Noobmonk3yawww happy birthday!!! for yesterday00:30
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Noobmonk3yand happy un-birthday for today!00:30
sivangheh thank you00:30
sivangNoobmonk3y: It wasn't that nice, birthdays can be depressing, hence the cava wine involved.00:30
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Noobmonk3yjust had my 30th :|00:30
sivangNoobmonk3y: 32nd here00:31
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Noobmonk3ynight alls!00:33
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sivangwow thank you ChanServ !00:37
* sivang feels special00:37
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alteregoIt's your birrthday? Happy birthday :)00:41
* sivang thanks who ever changed the topic00:42
sivangalterego: yes, thank you :)00:42
* sivang hears the airplanes and smells the scent of travel in the air00:43
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nox-oh...  happy bday sivang :)00:45
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sivangthnk you nox- :)00:46
* nox- still only knows little about who does what here or wrt maemo...00:47
sivangjacekowski: are you actually working on the fm transmitter for nokia? :)00:47
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sivangit just hit me, that if you have accessto the source..00:48
jacekowskisivang: for myself00:48
jacekowskisivang: i have access to fmtxd binary00:48
jacekowskisivang: which is more than enough for me00:48
sivangjacekowski: ah , interesting.00:48
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sivangreverse engineering ftw!00:48
tripzeros/e/[clean room]00:49
tripzeros/e/[clean room]/00:49
infobottripzero meant: s/[clean room]/[clean room]00:49
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* sivang feels spending the night of the birthday here would have been better than getting stupid drunk00:50
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vltRhello, any1 to answer my QT-Creator question?:)01:27
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Gorrothyo all01:43
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SpeedEvilAha. My connection should be more stable now I'm using an apple product.01:44
SpeedEvil(It's a jar of apple sauce used to prop up my n900)01:44
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DocScrutinizerFFS, WONTFIX becoming the ugliest word of the decade :-/
povbotBug 331694: was not found.01:47
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tripzero"if you care, reopen it"01:51
tripzero"cuz i certainly don't"01:51
b-man`WONTFIX = lazy dev imo01:51
tripzeroWONTFIIX has its place01:52
tripzerolike when there's a corner-case bug that really has no impact but the fix would break a bunch of other things...01:52
infobottripzero meant: like when there's a corner-case bug that really has no impact and the fix would break a bunch of other things...01:52
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mgedminbug: solve world hunger by next tuesday01:54
mgedminresolution: WONTFIX01:54
tripzeroResolution: NeedInfo01:54
b-man`mgedmin, yeah - i get it :P01:55
DocScrutinizerwas about to write same01:55
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DocScrutinizertripzero: ^^^01:55
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b-man`pick what i said apart why dont'cha01:57
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* mgedmin muahahahahahs an evil laugh01:57
tripzerodon't 'cha wish your girlfriend could code like me?01:58
Mouseythat was funny01:58
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rtghuzg5Hi, how can i secure my N900? Now i can start it without a login02:00
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SpeedEvilwell - there is a PIN code02:01
SpeedEvilwhich can setup a 5 digit PIN02:01
rtghuzg5PIN code is only for the SIM Card02:01
SpeedEvilSomewhere in settings I think02:01
SpeedEviloh - I thought you could require it on startup.02:01
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SpeedEvilAs far as I'm aware there isn't a standard way.02:02
SpeedEvilI wonder if you can pervert one of the bootloaders to do it.02:02
rtghuzg5But you can cancle it and then you have accesss to the phone02:02
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rtghuzg5that is not realy nice02:02
dolppower button -> secure device? :D02:03
SpeedEviljust screenlocks02:04
SpeedEvilactually - I think it requires PIN to unlocka02:04
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: that's lock code, not SIM PIN02:04
SpeedEvilyeah - sorry - O'm confused as I've ever used it.02:05
SpeedEvilI'd really ideally like it so without a passphrase, the device is a literal brick.02:05
SpeedEvilIt cannot be reflashed.02:05
rtghuzg5How can i set this question automaticaly on startup?02:05
SpeedEvilIdeally it would be on fire too.02:05
DocScrutinizerfor what rtghuzg5 asked for the lockcode is it02:06
DocScrutinizerrtghuzg5: settings, device lock or somesuch02:06
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rtghuzg5when i lock the device power button -> secure device02:06
rtghuzg5and shutdown and then start again my phone need a password02:07
DocScrutinizerrtghuzg5: settings, device lock or somesuch02:07
ham5pr 1.3 changed something to where u cant change the auto lock time too, anyone know anything about that? like it to be like 3 hours instead of just 102:07
DocScrutinizerham5: check /etc/mce/mce.ini02:07
ham5dont think its in mce.ini...02:08
ham5was in the gconf.xml in /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/dsm/locks02:08
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe02:08
ham5you change it tho it just reverts back to what you have it set for in the settings> device lock02:09
rtghuzg5ham5, is it in /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/dsm/locks ?02:12
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ham5rtghuzg5 you just need to go into settings and then device lock at the bottom02:13
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ham5like docscrutinizer said02:13
ham53rd times a charm? ;)02:14
rtghuzg5I can only set autolock and change my password, but i can't set autolock on startup02:15
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ham5change auto lock to anything and it will work when you start up02:15
jacktheripper_removing noexec for MyDocs in fstab still doesn't allow me to execute files, what's wrong ?02:15
jacktheripper_I remounted, I 'chmod a+x'ed.02:16
SpeedEviljacktheripper: vfat does not support the execute bit02:16
jacktheripper_SpeedEvil, how's that possible on other linux distros then ?02:17
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jacktheripperI thought there was an option to enable the not-present executable bit for all files.02:18
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ebzzryAside from Ovi, where else can I get the main Angry Birds .deb?02:20
SpeedEvilI think only ovi.02:21
ham5can you get it stright from rovio?02:21
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jacktheripperwhat's wrong with ovi ?02:21
nox-jacktheripper, you may be able to set the mode in the mount options, but it will be applied to all files on that fs and i have no idea what maemo will make of that02:21
jacktherippernox-, I did, I changed 'noexec' to 'exec'. But still, nothing changed.02:22
ebzzryjacktheripper: I couldn't get it from them. It says it's "downloaded", and when I tap the download link, it does nothing.02:22
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nox-jacktheripper, no thats something different, i meant the mask02:22
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b-man`sorry i kinda rage quited on you guys, had some close relatives get into a bad car accident and i'm not in a very good mode, plus it's late and i tend to be kinda spontaneous when i'm tired :P02:22
SpeedEvilb-man`: :(02:23
jacktheripperebzzry: install aptitude, and 'aptitude install angrybirds' if you have the ovi repo. I have no idea if this works for paid apps though.02:23
DocScrutinizer51jacktheripper: fstab is autogenerated on boot. editing won't help02:24
nox-heh ok02:24
SpeedEviljacktheripper: It used to02:24
luke-jrjacktheripper: fmask=77702:24
jacktheripperwhat does 133 do ?02:25
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ebzzryjacktheripper: OK02:25
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jacktheripperDocScrutinizer51, can I disable the autogeneration somehow ? or even tweak it ?02:27
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DocScrutinizer51fstab isn't used for mounting on startup. So editing fstab is useless anyway02:28
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jacktheripperDocScrutinizer51, uh is it hardcoded ? :S02:29
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DocScrutinizer51check init-scripts/-events where to tweak the mount parameters. Beware! any typo will cause bootloop -- reflash follows02:29
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pupnik"Christmas is a time for peace, and quiet computation." - Archie Bunker, 1972 :D02:41
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Gorrothokay, i'm trying to figure out what i need to do to create a maemo package.  is this all we have in ways of tutorials?
ebzzryI can't run X Terminal. When I try to run, it quits. Why?03:25
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nox-try via run-standalone.sh03:27
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ebzzrynox-: Same behavior03:30
nox-is there another instance already running?03:31
ebzzrynox-: Yes03:31
ebzzrynox-: If there is an existing instance, isn't the behavior to switch to that window?03:32
ebzzryI can't run it from the menu.03:33
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Termanagood morning03:34
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nox-ebzzry, oh03:35
ebzzrynox-: Yes, I can't.03:36
nox-well if it doesnt even start from the menu then there really is something wrong...03:36
ebzzrynox-: hmm03:36
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nox-can you tap on `new' in the top bar in it, does that open a new window?03:37
ebzzrynox-: It does create a new instance, but I'm afraid if I close my remaining terminal windows, I won't be able to open a new one again. =(03:38
nox-invoking it from the menu should switch to an existing instance at least03:39
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ebzzrynox-: Nah. I closed all existing windows, and opened a new one, and it did open succesfully.03:41
ebzzrynox-: whatever it was. I hope I can do it again03:41
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Arkenoiconversation inbox still crashing taking half of widgets with it. sucks.04:02
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pupnik - awesome amiga workbench emulator website - click on plasma demo :D04:18
Gorrothman, figuring out how to debianize something for the first time is a bit of a chore04:19
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pupnikGorroth: yeah i agree04:24
nox-Gorroth, do share :)04:24
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Gorrothokay, for maemo, there is this document:,_Deploying_and_Distributing, and it recommends looking at this document for detailed info:
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Gorroththe debian doc is surprisingly good, i think04:57
Gorrothstill some to be desired04:57
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ebzzryDo we have a list of -devel packgages that are optified?05:05
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Gorrothoptified?  does that mean installed to /opt?05:08
ebzzryO.o? Yes.05:08
Gorrothhmm, maybe i should redo this package to install to /opt.  i didn't think about that05:08
Gorroththere.  now it's building with /opt05:09
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Gorrothi forget why /opt is a big deal (haven't used my n900 or looked at maemo in forever)05:09
nox-space.  `someone' didnt know they could make /usr a seperate fs...05:10
Gorrothwell, now this package will install to /opt as it should05:13
* nox- also missed what you are packaging :)05:13
nox-squid on a phone?05:14
nox-what for?05:14
Gorrothi'll let you use your imagination, but i'll just call it "personal reasons"05:14
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ebzzryWhat's the name of the boot screen app?05:15
nox-the shaking hands?  thats just some video file05:16
nox-ah:  <DocScrutinizer>from : >>/etc/X11/Xsession.d/10hildon_welcome = shaking-hands-video<<05:18
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Gorrothgot the packages for squid built05:55
Gorrothi'll test them out on my maemo device for a bit and see if i have to rebuild the packages05:56
Gorroththen i'll submit them to the maemo repo guys when i'm satisfied it works here05:56
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ebzzryHmm, after reflash, I don't have the flash plugin anymore. =(06:31
ham5it always ran so great06:31
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ebzzryHmm, just try a reinstall06:34
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pupnik_let's give a N9 to adam geiss06:43
Gorrothmaaaaaaannnn... squid works fine in the simular06:46
Gorrothsegmentation fault on my n90006:46
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Gorrothhmm, i probably did something stupid when building this thing06:56
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RobbieThe1sthm... busybox's df command relies on /etc/mtab, right?07:28
RobbieThe1stProblem is, I'm working from a ramdisk with a blank/missing /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab07:29
RobbieThe1stAnd I'm trying to figure out the amount of space a filesystem has free.07:31
ebzzryRobbieThe1st: not directly related to what you are currently speaking about, when was the last time you tested the SSH functionality of BackupMenu?07:32
RobbieThe1stUm... never.07:32
RobbieThe1stI grabbed that whole chunk of code(all five lines or so) from RescueMenu, but since V2 and I switched to a ramdisk root it hasn't/cant work07:33
ebzzryRobbieThe1st: My setup may be borked, but I can't connect to the device.07:33
ebzzryRobbieThe1st: I also can't ping it.07:33
RobbieThe1stusb networking, you mean?07:34
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ebzzryRobbieThe1st: Yes, via USB.07:34
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ebzzryRobbieThe1st: I'm sorry about the confusion.07:34
RobbieThe1stUm... I've never actually used it. I -hear- it works, but again, I got that bit of code from the script I based mine on07:35
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RobbieThe1stAll modules and files are there, so it -should- work, but I'd suggest asking on the topic - I'm sure someone else knows07:35
ebzzryRobbieThe1st: May you have some time to look at it in the near future? Sometimes it's easier to delete an offending file than restore from a backup.07:35
RobbieThe1stI'll do that when I figure it out myself.. I couldn't really figure out the PC-side directions when I last checked them out07:36
ebzzryRobbieThe1st: OK, Rob.07:38
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RobbieThe1stI've posted a post about it on my maemo topic; hopefully someone'll come up with a tutorial for us07:39
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ebzzryRobbieThe1st: Are you referring to the post you sent earlier, or a new one?07:43
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ebzzryThanks, RobbieThe1st07:48
ebzzryRobbieThe1st: The one that I used before was BootMenu + SSH patch07:49
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RobbieThe1stI haven't seen it07:59
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RobbieThe1stOh. yea... I think that was what I based mine on08:02
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RobbieThe1st6 months and 1600 lines ago08:03
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Macerthey should have made the faster app manager the default in 1.309:28
Macerit is a shame to see maemo is so awesome but at the end of it line :)09:28
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Macerespecially after google video chatting. there really arent too many phones that can vid chat over skype or gtalk like the n900 can09:29
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ebzzryErr, does anybody have the deb for angrybirds?09:34
ebzzryThe primary one, that is.09:34
ebzzryInstalling from times out. =(09:35
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iluminator101is there user agent switcher for microb10:05
iluminator101is there a user agent switcher for microb?10:05
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crashanddieis there a user agent switcher plugin for microb?10:06
iksaifHi, anyone with some time to install/test a package quickly ? :)10:08
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RobbieThe1stcrashanddie: You can always edit it from inside about:config10:13
crashanddieRobbieThe1st, I wasn't the one asking10:13
ham5why did you repeat it10:13
RobbieThe1stiluminator101: You can always edit it from inside about:config10:13
RobbieThe1stYea, I'm wondering that too10:14
crashanddienever 2 without 3?10:14
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iluminator101hmm...but i am lazy10:14
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RobbieThe1stThat's what iDevices are for10:15
ham5thats neat thats there I didnt know10:15
RobbieThe1stham5: Incredibly useful10:16
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ham5ovi probly hates that tho10:16
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ebzzryI hate to interrupt you guys, but does anyone have a .deb of angrybirds?10:17
psycho_oreosthey're available from ovi store10:17
ham5you were askin about that earlier wernt you, trying to find another source to download10:17
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iluminator101you mean crapple or iSnob10:17
crashanddieebzzry, there aren't many game developers on Maemo, I'd recommend not kicking them away by indulging in software piracy10:18
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ebzzrycrashanddie: Hmm, you assumed I was asking for the levelpacks, which I wasn't.10:18
crashanddieactually, I wasn't: The .deb is available through ovi. Just use it.10:19
ebzzryI was looking for the primary angrybirds deb since I timeout from an apt-get/aptitude install10:19
ebzzryAvailable from Ovi? How? The .deb?10:19
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psycho_oreosyes when you download it, it will fire up HAM, though HAM by default won't save the deb files.. I suppose you could obtain something like dpkg-repack to repack the installed angrybirds10:20
psycho_oreosand timing out as in not long ago since you last installed something from ovi store within say 5-10 minute timeframe?10:21
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: and timing out as in not long ago since you last installed something from ovi store within say 5-10 minutes timeframe?10:21
ham5shit def takes way to long, have to let it sit there and do its thing10:21
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psycho_oreosthere's a fix for that HAM with Ovi store, MohammadAG has a patch for it.. I might have the link saved somewhere in me bookmarks10:22
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psycho_oreos^ ^ ^ Thread: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5) ^ ^ ^10:23
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ham5deb 404's10:25
ham5really works?10:25
psycho_oreoslooks like he took it off10:26
ham5synaptic would be nice10:26
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psycho_oreos <--- looks like his main host, either that his new host10:30
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ebzzrypsycho_oreos: the trouble is that the download won't finish succesfully.10:32
psycho_oreosebzzry, unstable connection?10:32
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ebzzrypsycho_oreos: I couldn't verify, that's most likely the case.10:33
ebzzrypsycho_oreos: stuff coming from download fine10:33
psycho_oreosebzzry, well I'd try connecting to internet via other forms.. either using 3G or wifi or using USB networking (really dirty hack but works nonetheless)10:33
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ebzzrypsycho_oreos: but that would no longer achieve the goal of having an offline installer of Angry Birds, right?10:34
psycho_oreosanother way to look at it would be to check to see if there's any posts about ovi store and its connection issues/scheduled or unscheduled maintenance, etc10:34
psycho_oreosebzzry, no it doesn't but you still need to download the game first10:35
ebzzrypsycho_oreos: Hmm. Is there a way to snag it from Nokia's server in it's .deb form?10:36
psycho_oreosebzzry, afaik you can officially download it from ovi store, and in order to save the deb packages you'll need to enable red pill mode for HAM10:36
psycho_oreosthat plus adjusting the settings once red pill mode has been activated10:36
ebzzrypsycho_oreos: How can I do that?10:37
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ham5lol red pill10:37
ham5dont think they call it that anymore oldtimer10:38
psycho_oreos <--- enabling red pill and description of what red pill means10:38
psycho_oreosmeh, I'll keep calling it as red pill, keeps curious prying eyes constantly looking :p10:39
ebzzryBy the way, is there a command (or set of) to check what is the actual URL of a file that apt-get is fetching?10:40
psycho_oreoswhy would you want to do that when you only want an offline copy of the file?10:40
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ebzzryTo get it, say via wget10:41
ebzzryI timeout midway10:41
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psycho_oreoswget won't necessarily help if the server doesn't support REST mode, I don't know if ovi store's host has that capability or not plus your issue I'm suspecting is happening from your side not from Ovi store10:42
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koala_manmy mail for exchange calendar synchronization often fails to sync against google, so that I have to go back and delete recent events until it starts working again. is there any fix for that?10:43
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psycho_oreosyes there's a way to have verbose apt-get output to possibly dump the link, and there's many ways to capture links but I'm getting a little suspicious of your intentions10:43
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RobbieThe1stOr, install it, and during install just copy it out of the apt-cache folder...10:45
psycho_oreoshehe quick hands or knowing the root structure inside out would benefit there10:46
RobbieThe1st/opt/var/cache/apt/archives is the dir in question, BTW10:46
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RobbieThe1stNote: find / -name *pattern* is your friend10:46
ebzzryRobbieThe1st: but the installation, as I have said earlier, won't complete.10:46
psycho_oreosthen again, enabling red pill mode won't require quick hands :) even with small files that takes matter of seconds to install10:46
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RobbieThe1stThough, what's this about quick hands - My folder has about 6 or so packages in it, from the last couple installs10:47
psycho_oreosmore like find $foo -name "*bar*" -exec cp - ~ ... ;)10:47
RobbieThe1stAnd it's been like 10 reboots and several days10:47
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psycho_oreosI thought by default installations from ovi store makes HAM auto purge cached deb files10:48
RobbieThe1stIt might10:48
RobbieThe1stIf it does, that's just plain mean10:48
psycho_oreosit is also noted on the same wiki link that apt-get clean is the default behaviour of blue pill mode10:48
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RobbieThe1stHm... open terminal, type "cp /opt/var/cache/apt/archives/* /home/user/Mydocs/", start the install and as soon as it downloads, hit enter10:49
psycho_oreosI'm pretty sure it does.. I have tried copying installed debs from ovi but finding out the cache director is empty, and before I knew there was red pill mode that can be enabled and thus manually I used dpkg-repack to repack installed debs10:50
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RobbieThe1stIs there a way to disable that functionality in blue-pill mode, btw?10:50
psycho_oreoslol... ;) while loop :D10:50
psycho_oreosno, you'll have to enable red pill mode first10:50
psycho_oreosor just use something like fapman I suppose.. I dunno if that'll work with ovi however10:51
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ebzzryI found the deb by Googling for the complete deb file name10:53
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psycho_oreosmight not even be official ones if they're not from ovi but then again10:54
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ebzzryNow, time to get the checksum of the official deb. =)11:05
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psycho_oreosany of you guys played with espeak? as in, using it in some really wacky scenarios?11:52
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RobbieThe1stI'm curious - would it be possible to "hack together" a S/PDIF over copper output using the headphone jack? Either with custom-encoded digital audio getting sent over the left audio channel, or via the third ring connector which generally carries Composite?12:01
vintherpHi, I'm helping a friend who has a nokia n900 and is trying to sync that  to an ubuntu 9.10 evolution (mostly) for the calendar and adresses functions. He would like to use usb connection for that. We have searched a bit for it and found some solutions but they seem quite advanced.. Are there some simple(r) solutions for such an operation ?12:03
RobbieThe1stWhat solution did you find?12:06
RobbieThe1stLike most Linux solutions, the best one will probably involve setting up one or more shell-scripts that you then run which do the actual syncing12:06
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RST38hWell. Moo all.12:10
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RobbieThe1stMoo yourself12:11
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pigeondoes anyone know how you could download those .deb files directory from maemo repository?12:12
pigeonplain wget gives 40312:12
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psycho_oreoswhich maemo repository?12:12
pigeonfor example,
pigeonsay, i get the url using apt-get --print-uris install <package>12:13
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vintherpRobbieThe1st, we have tried syncevolution12:14
psycho_oreosdon't understand why you want to do that, download deb files12:15
vintherpRobbieThe1st, which we could not get to work.. syncevolution 0.9 ...12:15
pigeonit's complicated ;)12:15
psycho_oreosmore like trying to mirror12:16
ShapeshifterDoes someone know how to configure evopedia with a folder that starts with a dot? I want to put my dumps in ~/MyDocs/.evopedia but the in-gui file browser of course hides those files. Where's the config file? It's not ~/.evopediarc apprently.12:21
pigeonwell, i could use --download-only, but i only want the meta package, not all its depenencies... oh well.12:22
vintherpRobbieThe1st, so are there no GUI that makes it possible to connect n900, open evolution, and a button named 'sync' or the like ...12:22
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Sargun_Screenwhere can i get a changelog on the most recent version of maemo?12:26
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pupnik_how do i see gpu usage in top or something similar?12:33
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crashanddiepupnik_, you can't12:34
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pupnik_crashanddie: maybe i just measure gpu fan speed ;)12:37
crashanddiepupnik_, if you're using cuda, just check gputop12:38
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Sargun_Screenwill #meego suceed this channel?12:39
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crashanddiehopefully not, Sargun_Screen12:39
crashanddieSargun_Screen, this channel is about #maemo, and as long as the Maemo project exists, I don't see any reason for this to change12:40
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Sargun_Screencrashanddie: what is nokia's perspective on maemo?12:46
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jacktheripperI'm not able to find the mount options in init.d/event.d scripts. I've grepped for everything possible. I could change /etc/default/mount-opts which tweaks the generation of /etc/fstab.12:46
crashanddieyou would probably ahve to ask nokia for that12:46
jacktheripperbut MyDocs still mounts with noexec and fmask=013312:47
crashanddieSargun_Screen, but the general idea is that maemo 6 (harmattan) will be meego compatible, and will be the last version of maemo.12:47
crashanddieSargun_Screen, in other words: EOL12:47
keriogoodnight sweet prince12:47
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juki cant ssh to ubuntu, but can from ubuntu, it times out13:15
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SpeedEvilcan yiou ping the machine in question juk?13:16
nidOobvious questions would be check sshd is actually running and check iptables13:16
SpeedEvilAnd have you got the right IP address13:16
jukSpeedEvil: yes13:17
SpeedEvilcan you ssh to it from different machines?13:17
juknidO: i think i was messing with last13:17
jukSpeedEvil: i can't from n900, guess would be same for all13:18
jukfrom any machine13:18
SpeedEvilWell - then it's more a ubuntu question.13:18
SpeedEvilis sshd running, and ...13:19
jukSpeedEvil: yes, on both13:19
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SpeedEvilare there any logs on syslog13:19
SpeedEvilwhat does stracing sshd show13:19
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alteregoAre you attempting to ssh to it from a windows machine?13:20
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jukSpeedEvil: only attempts from localhost13:20
jukalterego: no13:21
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jukalterego: from n900 to ubuntu13:21
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alteregoOh, restart sshd13:22
alteregoAre you using wifi or usb for the network?13:22
jukalterego: where?13:22
alteregoWhere what?13:23
jukalterego: on n900 or ubuntu13:23
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alteregoOn the N90013:23
alteregoAhit, I mean  ubunuuntu! :P13:23
nidOsshd on your n900 has nothing to do with any of this13:23
alteregoYou're confusing me now.13:24
jukalterego: yeah im too13:24
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alteregoRestart sshd on your ubuntu with: sudo stop ssh; sudo start ssh13:25
alteregoThen try again13:25
jacktheripperis there anything between your PC and your N900 ? like a router or sth ?13:25
jukalterego: i did same time out13:25
jukjacktheripper: yes router13:26
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jacktheripperare they both connected to it ? check for any firewalls.13:27
alteregoI use my N900 to ssh out to a remote server, forward it's sshd port to that server, so I can then log into my N900 from my laptop and tell the N900 to download large files for me.13:27
jukjacktheripper: sure, im on it talking here13:27
alteregoWorks quite nicely ^_^13:28
jukalterego: you confusing me13:28
jacktheripperI remember I had a problem similar, and I also remember I rebooted both sides, including the router.13:29
alteregoI had a similar problem once, but restarting sshd fixed it.13:29
jukjacktheripper: i can't router is public13:29
alteregoRebooting everything is a pretty good starting point though, also, get wireshark out and check the traffic13:30
alteregojuk, what do you mean public? Internet cafe or BTFON or something?13:30
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jukalterego: no, it's shared with buddies around13:33
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alteregojuk, ah, okay.13:33
nidOI still dont see you mentioning whether you've actually checked iptables on the ubuntu machine13:33
jukalterego: how is that relevant13:33
alteregojuk: some BTFON rojuters sandbox each connection so they can't interact13:34
juknidO: i am13:34
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nidOalterego: he can connect ubuntu > n900 though so its highly unlikely to be a connection issue, rather than just not running / not configuring sshd / having iptables blocking the connections13:34
alteregoOh, okay13:35
alteregojuk: run: sudo stop ssh13:35
alteregothe do ps -A | grep ssh13:35
alteregoshow us whats output13:36
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juktarget     prot opt source               destination13:36
jukACCEPT     icmp --  anywhere             anywhere13:36
jukACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere            state RELATED,ESTABLISHED13:36
jukACCEPT     all  --  anywhere             anywhere13:36
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juknidO: can you help with that13:37
juknidO: do you have idea13:38
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juk 1966 ?        00:00:00 ssh-agent13:39
juk16714 ?        00:00:00 sshd13:39
juk16715 ?        00:00:00 sshd13:39
jukalterego: so?13:39
jacktheripper2 sshds ? o.O13:40
nidOthat suggests you have something connected13:41
nidOdo ps aux|grep sshd13:41
nidOto check that13:41
jukroot     16714  0.0  0.0   5632  1008 ?        Ss   19:23   0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd13:41
jukroot     16715  0.0  0.0   5632  1016 ?        Ss   19:23   0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd13:41
jukroot     16991  0.0  0.0   4012   756 pts/0    S+   19:41   0:00 grep --color=auto sshd13:41
nidOhm, that is 2 sshd's then.13:41
nidOkill them and restart sshd.13:42
infoboti guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at -- see ~flashing for how to update13:42
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juknidO: so now one is runnig13:44
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jacktheripperjuk: you tested again ?13:45
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jukjacktheripper: time out13:45
nidOdid you kill them both and restart sshd or just kill one?13:46
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juknidO: apparently one, since second keeps changing pid so can't kill13:46
chem|stjuk: /etc/init.d/ssh stop13:47
chem|stjuk: and now grep again13:47
jukchem|st: is it supposed to kill daemon?13:47
chem|stit is supposed to stop it properly yes13:47
chem|stjuk: and dont start it by typing sshd in the shell13:48
jukchem|st: well it's just changes it's pid13:48
chem|stjuk: killall sshd13:48
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jukchem|st: nope, im getting angry13:49
chem|stjuk: does ssh work again or still timeout?13:49
nidOan sshd process with its' pid constantly changing isnt normal13:49
jukchem|st: still time out13:49
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chem|stok try killall /usr/sbin/sshd13:49
nidOhow quickly is the pid changing?13:50
chem|stis it realy the pid?13:51
pigeonhow much free space is needed for 1.3 OTA upgrade?13:51
jukchem|st: just changes two last digits in second number of output ps aux|grep sshd13:53
nidOshow us an output again13:53
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jukroot     17378  0.0  0.0   5632   984 ?        Ss   19:51   0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd13:53
jukroot     17380  0.0  0.0   4012   756 pts/0    S+   19:51   0:00 grep --color=auto sshd13:53
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chem|st17378 thath one?13:53
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nidOhow quickly is the pid changing?13:54
jukchem|st: yes13:54
juknidO: as quickly as i type killall /usr/sbin/sshd13:55
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juknidO: im typing not fast13:55
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juki ask in #ubuntu13:57
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chem|stjuk: ehrm ubuntu desktop pc?14:00
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jukalright guys Dr_Willis professional killed it14:01
crashanddiejuk, maybe I can help?14:01
chem|stjuk: how?14:01
jukchem|st: service ssh stop14:01
crashanddiewith a simple /etc/init.d/ssh stop?14:01
crashanddieor that14:01
chem|stcrashanddie: have you tried to turn it off and on again?14:01
chem|stcrashanddie: old, did that already14:01
jukit's irrelevant now14:01
juknow i need to ssh from maemo to ubuntu14:02
crashanddiejuk, is ssh running on ubuntu?14:02
chem|stjuk: the ubuntu part was important, didn't get that14:02
jukchem|st: i realize, thank you too14:02
ShadikkaUbuntu = sudo service sshd stop14:02
chem|stShadikka: without d normaly14:03
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jukShadikka: it's a bit late14:03
crashanddiejuk, instead of spouting useless things like "it's a bit late", and "it's irrelevant now", how about you explain what the status is14:03
crashanddieour balls ain't made out of crystal, yet you're managing to bust them.14:03
chem|stcrashanddie: he did, it did work with service ssh stop14:04
crashanddiewell, that stops ssh? Wth is he trying to achieve?14:04
crashanddiehe wants to ssh? I'd say that requires ssh to be running, hence my question: sitrep.14:04
chem|stcrashanddie: he had 2 processes running one he killed and the other was changing pid repeatedly14:04
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crashanddiefair enough. Thanks.14:04
chem|stand ssh gave a timeout14:04
crashanddieso race concurrency for the accept()14:05
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crashanddiepigeon, some reports say 85MB, others say 65.14:06
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pigeoncrashanddie: thanks14:07
pigeoni don't see how i could remove that many things from /14:07
jkyroanybody know about the reboot flag in package control data?14:08
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nidOpigeon, it's definitely somewhere under 70mb14:08
jkyrodoesn't seem to work, i.e. when I put XB-Maemo-Flags: reboot to debian/control, installing the package doesn't reboot the device14:08
nidOiv seen mentions from some people managing to install with 55-60mb odd free14:08
alteregoSeems the browser doesn't suffer as much from history killing auto complete anymore.14:09
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ebzzry_/home/user/somefile is part of rootfs, right?14:15
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chem|stebzzry_: mount.... and see what is where14:16
lcukwhilst on the subject, cat proc/partitions14:16
alteregohrm, stange14:16
lcukif i umount one of the items listed there as my 4gb card14:16
lcukwhy does MyDocs unmount14:17
chem|stlcuk: exact syntax?14:17
alteregoHeh, because during boot the dev nodes are swapped14:17
lcukmorning btw \o14:17
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lcukhold on chem|st14:17
lcukbit hard on current network to do both at same time14:17
chem|stmmcblk0 is emmc mmcblk1 is sd14:17
alteregoHey lcuk blk0 is micro sd blk1 is emmc, but during boot the dev nodes get switched14:18
lcukok,  "cat /proc/partitions"14:18
chem|stalterego: for nitdroid14:18
lcukthis is prep for meego14:18
alteregoso /proc/partitions shows the kernel view, but the dev nodes are different14:18
lcukstill in running maemo system though14:18
alteregolcuk: exactly14:18
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lcukyeah its disconcerting14:19
alteregols -l mmcblk014:19
lcukcan i get a list of the real view?14:19
lcukthat wont work14:19
lcukthats the whole drive14:19
alterego/dev/mmcblk0 :)14:19
chem|stlcuk: type mount14:19
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alteregolcuk: confused me too, so I flash meego using usb cable :)14:20
chem|stlcuk: you can also umount the mountpoint instead of the dev14:20
DocScrutinizerlcuk: see bmo ticket for renaming of partitions during boot14:21
lcukI did DocScrutinizer14:21
chem|stalterego: I'd like to have a none raw system and setup the stuff myself instead of overwritting my sd card...14:21
lcukbut i was hoping to get some nice list - like /proc/partitions but actually valid14:21
chem|stalterego: why is it swapped anyway? blk0 and blk1?14:22
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* MohammadAG51 waves14:22
chem|sthi MohammadAG5114:22
MohammadAG51chem|st, cause the scripts are hardcoded - maybe14:22
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crashanddietalking about scripts, anyone need anything?14:23
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crashanddiewrong button14:23
chem|stMohammadAG51: I am wondering the same from my desktop as  sd[a,b,c,d] are swapped to sd[d,b,a,c]14:24
MohammadAG51oh, never seen that14:24
MohammadAG51my numbering scheme is always the same14:24
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chem|stcrashanddie: I'd like to activet pulseaudio rtp/multicast reciever and sender functionality without fscking up the whole system14:25
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crashanddiechem|st, chroot14:26
crashanddiechroot is the new apple14:26
crashanddieeverything is chroot14:26
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alteregolcuk: cat  /proc/partitions | sed 's/blk0/blk1/;t;s/blk1/blk0/;'14:28
lcukalterego, is that a fixed specific always expected thing14:31
lcukseriously, i saw the proc/partitions lne in instructions for flashing images and it makes me very nervous to know its wrong14:32
alteregoOn the N900 at least14:33
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alteregoActually, I believe the same is true on N800 they get internal and external switched14:34
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chem|stlcuk: which instructions (link?)=14:37
chem|stlcuk: thanks edited14:44
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lcukthanks chem|st :)14:45
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chem|sthmm I rewrite it thats just crap14:49
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alteregoStrange did a google search and google complained I was a robot14:57
LjLit happened to me several times14:57
LjLthough for me, the issue is i'm on a shared IP (NAT'd)14:57
lcukalterego, go with the flow.14:57
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alteregoWeird, I'm not14:58
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alteregoI just figured they'd been talking to my gf14:58
alteregoShe says I'm like a robot.14:58
chem|stlcuk: read again please and tell if it is ok this way14:58
alteregoI don't even think in a good way ...14:58
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RST38hmoo, all14:59
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chem|stRST38h: hey15:01
alteregoAloha RST38h15:01
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chem|stwhy the hell is my current oppinion of PR1.3 just "crap"15:03
alteregochem|st: I don't know, why don't you start a tmo thread and tell us :P15:03
RST38hchem|st: has not delivered most of the improvements people expected15:04
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RST38hCertainly has not delivered stuff the lemmings were waiting for15:04
chem|stalterego: O_o backup freezes, conversation windows crash with yellow notice and so on15:04
RST38hi.e. no Meego and no Flash10, so it *must be* crap, right?15:04
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chem|stRST38h: I dont care about flash10 or meego compatibility for now15:05
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RST38hconversation windows no longer crash for me in PR1.315:05
crashanddieactually, no flash on meego is the first good news i've heard so far15:05
RST38hIn PR1.2 I could not open any Skype conversation where the last replic was mine15:05
RST38hcrashanddie: right after "no java", I hope :)15:05
crashanddieactually, before java :P15:06
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alteregoI can't say I suffer these issues :/15:06
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chem|stRST38h: for me they didn't crash before15:07
chem|stalterego: well my primary use is IM I guess, at least it is the most up front15:09
RST38hchem|st: I would recreate IM accounts15:09
RST38hxclean all the data, create from scratcj15:09
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ebzzry_Is there a way to determine if a package to be installed is optified or not?15:09
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chem|stebzzry_: if it is in extras15:11
chem|stRST38h: did that as I installed from scratch15:12
lcukchem|st, ok, so that you just said about /dev/mmcblk1 is *ALWAYS* the removable mmc on n900 up until this point15:12
chem|stwell at least the rootfs15:12
chem|stlcuk: yes15:12
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alteregolcuk: under maemo, it is.15:13
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RST38hchem|st: really weird then15:13
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chem|stlcuk: if you leave your creepy fingers of repartitioning it is /dev/mmcblk1p1 to umount and mmcblk1 to `dd`15:13
chem|stRST38h: and it seems to be skype only atm15:14
chem|ststrace is in sdk repo?15:15
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ZwiIs anyone using MGutenberg on N900?15:16
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xkr47has anybody implemented a web service to compile C programs to armel binaries ? :)15:17
alteregoxkr47: you mean the extras auto builder? :)15:18
xkr47I don't know :)15:18
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ZwiThe search function seems not to be working in MGutenberg.15:21
jacktheripperdoes anyone know where MyDocs is mounted at boot ? (and where I can tweak the mount options ?)15:23
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chem|stjacktheripper: /dev/mmcblk0p1 -> /home/user/MyDocs15:24
chem|stjacktheripper: which mount options?15:25
alteregoxkr47: well, you upload a debian like source package and a signature file, and it builds it for various versions of maemo and they x86 sdk equiv15:25
jacktheripperdefault file permissions and the executable bit15:25
ebzzry_Can anyone confirm if texlive is optified or not?15:25
marmouteebzzry_: I can't believe it isn't15:26
jacktheripperI found /etc/default/mount-opts which tweaks the generation of /etc/fstab. But MyDocs still gets mounted with noexec and fmask=013315:26
xkr47alterego, yeah I just found out15:26
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ebzzry_marmoute: What made you say that?15:26
xkr47alterego, I just thought of a simpler service to compile a .c file to an elf file15:26
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chem|stjacktheripper: it is vfat and has nothing like permissions but the executable bit can be cahnged I guess15:26
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xkr47I could edit the sources on my phone and instantly get an elf binary to run15:26
xkr47without needing toolchains15:27
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chem|stjacktheripper: you need to regenerate fstab...15:27
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jacktheripperchem|st, yes, the entry in fstab is currently fmask=777 and exec15:27
alteregoxkr47: yeah, well, if it's for small apps either use python or install the toolchain on thye N900 :P15:28
jacktheripperbut MyDocs still mounts with noexec at boot, so there must be another settings somewhere else15:28
xkr47why on earth, I want to use C :)15:28
xkr47but ok thanks it was nice info15:28
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jacktheripperchem|st, I've grepped for everything relevant in /etc/init.d and /etc/events.d, and yet found nothing15:29
chem|stjacktheripper: edit by hand, I guess a reboot will write it again15:30
jacktheripperchem|st, uh you don't get me, I've actually changed the regeneration of fstab15:31
alteregoxkr47: sure, but Python is available and easy to do on-device.15:31
jacktheripperit regenerates with exec, so on boot without editing by hand it's exec.15:31
chem|stah ok15:31
alteregoxkr47: if you have a server at you disposal writing a simple auto-builder would be quite simple.15:31
xkr47I actually want to program in Vala15:32
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ebzzry_Can /usr/lib/microb-engine be safely moved to /opt/usr/lib and have a symlink point to the latter?15:32
xkr47but that's just a translation away :)15:32
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alteregoxkr47: so you actually want a vala to c to armel web service :P15:34
xkr47but my friend has osx and we thought maybe a C -> armel would be useful for him too15:34
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xkr47or is it possible to get scratchbox et al to install in osx ?15:35
alteregoxkr47: Well, you're probably better off with madde15:36
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xkr47you -> he.. :)15:36
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xkr47ok thanks again15:38
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alteregoxkr47: np15:39
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alteregoMadde is a nice self contained cross compilation toolchain that works on the three major platforms, win,osx,linux15:39
alteregoI've got it installed on a server for me to do something similar to what you require.15:40
xkr47I hope my friend gets it working :)15:40
xkr47I don't require, I inquire :)15:40
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alteregoWell, have fun.15:40
xkr47He has had an iphone for several years and got bored, so now he has a n900 :)15:40
alteregoThat's quite cool, iPhones are kinda boring :)15:41
xkr47quite amazing, I was able to compile my old sdl game from 2004 using scratchbox without touching the source15:41
xkr47it just worked on the n90015:42
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KaffeeJunky123does the default maemo media player offer flac support with libflac8?15:43
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KaffeeJunky123I just installed the library, but the media player still doesn't playback flac, do I have to do anything else?15:43
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crashanddiei just seriously flamed/trolled one of the devs at the office15:44
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crashanddiehe was doing a select * from table_name; and then parsing the results until he found the right one, rinse and repeat about 200k times.15:44
KaffeeJunky123crashanddie: feels good, right?15:44
KaffeeJunky123lol @ that15:45
KaffeeJunky123DocScrutinizer: comon practise15:45
crashanddieHe dared coming into my office, while I was on the phone, saying "Your pseudo-SQL implementation is way too slow"15:45
KaffeeJunky123a lot of 'programmers' do it15:45
DocScrutinizerGOD, THROW DOWN BRAINZ!15:46
crashanddieI showed him the wonders of the where clause, and told him to gtfo.15:46
RurouniJones crashanddie; Dev LEAD at my old place did that but if he needed to find files with multiple parameters he would select * then loop through the array gradually trimming away parameter by parameter.15:46
RurouniJonesthe joys of uniface15:46
ebzzry_Hi! Is /usr/lib/microb-engine needed during boot time?15:46
jacktheripperebzzry_, yes, or you'll be stuck in a bootloop15:47
alteregoebzzry_: I think it's required for browserd yes15:47
KaffeeJunky123ebzzry_: is your actual question "Hi I deleted /usr/lib/microb-engine and my device won't boot, what do?"15:47
ebzzry_That was close.15:47
* GAN900 sighs at dumbassery.15:47
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DocScrutinizerthe more interesting question being: is it needed *before* /home is mounted?15:48
ebzzry_I did that earlier, and I was able to recover fairly quick.15:48
crashanddieI knew that as the years went by, the number of people who have no understanding of programming calling themselves would rise, I just never imagined I'd be the one calling them on it.15:48
crashanddiecalling themselves "programmers"15:48
ebzzry_So it's like Windows+Ie during the old days, then?15:48
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alteregocrashanddie: managed to wrap my head around FFT now :D15:49
KaffeeJunky123crashanddie: what do you expect, most western edjucation systems suck hard...15:49
alteregoworking on an implementation at the moment.15:49
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DocScrutinizeralterego: great! another huge pile of useless knowledge :-P15:50
KaffeeJunky123crashanddie: and that so called programmer edjucation is a joke in most countrys15:50
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: hardly useless, I want to do signal processing :P15:50
nidOthe reg had an article about that point a few days ago, that in the uk at least CS grads are coming out with the ability to code java and nothing else, and no proper understanding or real interest in the field15:50
DocScrutinizeralterego: as there's zillions of implementations, even rather nifty ones15:50
James_LittlerHi all, so who wants flash10.1
alteregoDocScrutinizer: sure, but I want to learn :P15:50
crashanddiealterego, if you have a decent level in math, and can understand FTT really, really well, there's a lot of money to be made in that domain15:50
KaffeeJunky123James_Littler: noone, it's a mess...15:51
GAN900KaffeeJunky123, welcome to a world of public education.15:51
DocScrutinizeralterego: legit. But mere for fun. Usually you use a FFT algo as a black box15:51
James_Littlerseems to work as good as 9.415:51
alteregocrashanddie: indeed :)15:51
KaffeeJunky123GAN900: public education can work15:51
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I know, I've used others, namely fftreal, but I really want to get into the gut math15:51
KaffeeJunky123GAN900: some nordic countrys do a pretty good job at it15:51
DocScrutinizercooolshit man15:51
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James_Littlerwell if anyone wants it, let me know15:52
pexiIt is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.15:52
DocScrutinizeralterego: but, pretty please, don't talk to us about it once you understood :-D15:52
MohammadAG51tmo wants it15:52
KaffeeJunky123James_Littler: if you packaged it, just submit it to the extras-devel repository, implying you've got a garage15:52
James_Littlerenjoy boys and girls15:53
alteregoDocScrutinizer: :(15:53
DocScrutinizerit's devastating to general mental health15:53
James_LittlerI do but don't particularly want adobe's lawyers bending me over15:53
James_Littlerso have the rapidshare link and be greatful15:53
alteregoI dunno, seems quite simple now, just a composition of about three different math concepts15:54
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DocScrutinizeror, like crashanddie said: "too many WTFs and LOLWUTz"15:54
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KaffeeJunky123James_Littler: does the licence prohibit packagin of the flashlib?15:55
DocScrutinizereven FFT basics are mindboggling15:55
GAN900KaffeeJunky123, like most ideals, it usually doesn't. :)15:55
crashanddiepexi, quoting Einstein are we?15:55
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James_LittlerI didnt have a licence...that's the point.  Just call me Capn Jack15:55
GAN900KaffeeJunky123, emphatic declaration of an ideas validity does not make it valid.15:55
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer, you're an EE, you probably ate FFT for breakfast while studying filters and shit.15:56
pexicrashanddie, yepp15:56
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KaffeeJunky123GAN900: We've got hard numbers backing up my claims15:56
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: I took the short way15:56
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GAN900KaffeeJunky123, not anywhere in anyplace I live.15:56
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KaffeeJunky123GAN900: I don't understand what you're trying to say now =)15:57
SpeedEvilfft is not - mathematically interesting.15:57
GAN900Private education is significantly more effective, and significantly cheaper, than public education in the US.15:57
SpeedEvilIt's a simple reworking of DFT15:57
crashanddieKaffeeJunky123, if you have hard numbers, show them, or stfu.15:57
SpeedEvilIt's an optimisation problem.15:57
KaffeeJunky123GAN900: ah, that's what you're talking about15:57
GAN900Considering public education was set up as a way to indoctrinate and control people. . . .15:57
DocScrutinizerthe fun bit - like always - are the parallels in real physics (as of C, L, R, and tripoles) and mere math15:58
crashanddieGAN900, and provide the industry of the early 19th century with drone people fit to do specific tasks, not think.15:58
KaffeeJunky123crashanddie: read the pisa report...15:58
RST38hGAN900: Was it?15:58
RST38hGAN900: Any documentary proof of that?15:58
DocScrutinizerthough for FFT these are only for what it can do and what it can't, given certain parameters15:58
KaffeeJunky123RST38h: it's eod he's a republican15:58
GAN900RST38h, yes, see the public education movement in the 19th century.15:59
crashanddieKaffeeJunky123, you don't want to go there15:59
sivangre all15:59
GAN900KaffeeJunky123, and thus your irrational bias is revealed.15:59
KaffeeJunky123GAN900: I'm a socialist15:59
GAN900KaffeeJunky123, clearly.15:59
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: for example a have quite some idea WHAT a kalman filter does, but NFC *how* it's done15:59
crashanddieRST38h, when did the public school start? Right around the technical revolution, early 19th century. Classes are ordered around what the industry needed, a real hierarchy: math, sciences, human sciences, social sciences, art.16:00
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer, well, as an engineer, that's pretty much all you need.16:00
KaffeeJunky123GAN900: I want the government to brainwash you into helping to build the class less socity ;)16:00
KaffeeJunky123GAN900: just kidding16:00
pexipisa maths and finland's public education16:00
KaffeeJunky123GAN900: it's just that your opion of the schooling system and mine are too far apart of each other to start a proper discussion16:01
GAN900KaffeeJunky123, class warfare is just another way of controlling people.16:01
crashanddiepexi, pisa math? Because they're slowly toppling over and bound to crumble?16:01
GAN900KaffeeJunky123, your definition of ethics isn't compatible with mine. :)16:01
ebzzry_Is /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 critical to the boot process?16:01
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KaffeeJunky123GAN900: You don't know my ethics yet =)16:01
KaffeeJunky123GAN900: but your claim somewhat backsup my previous claim that you're a republican16:02
GAN900KaffeeJunky123, you just said you're a socialist.16:02
KaffeeJunky123and I said I was just kidding16:02
GAN900KaffeeJunky123, I'm not, actually.16:02
KaffeeJunky123for europeen standards16:02
KaffeeJunky123you are16:02
marmouteyeah I'm sure private and religious education for rich people are far cheaper and far less endoctrinative than public one.16:02
crashanddieKaffeeJunky123, GAN900 is most definitely not a republican.16:02
RST38hGAN900: So, no documentary evidence, in the shape of some more/less credible URLs?16:02
crashanddieRST38h, hang on16:02
KaffeeJunky123we're slightly less fearing a too strong state16:02
RST38hcrashanddie: That makes GAN libertarian which is even worse16:03
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crashanddieKaffeeJunky123, and I doubt that your 5 minute analysis of GAN allows you to make such spurious assumptions. May I suggest you drop the topic about what wing GAN is?16:03
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pexinice results16:03
crashanddiewatch in that order, RST38h16:04
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ZwiIs it not possible to turn a PDF file?16:04
ZwiOn N90016:04
crashanddieI'm tempted to say "Turn the n900 sideways"16:04
chem|stZwi: turn?16:04
crashanddiechem|st, rotate16:04
DocScrutinizerdarn, this channel seems rather trigger-happy to politics "trolling" recently16:04
KaffeeJunky123crashanddie: I'm just kidding, anyways I don't share his point of view with private education being supiror to public education, since there's always the problem of access to education in private education systems.16:04
crashanddieKaffeeJunky123, sure, but this channel is hardly the place for those discussions... ##politics maybe?16:05
KaffeeJunky123crashanddie: I do belive that public education is important to give as much as possible people access to education, however I'm not against private education in general.16:05
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crashanddieDon't make me ask you to drop the topic 3 times in a row.16:06
KaffeeJunky123crashanddie: maybe ^^16:06
ZwiTurning the N900 sadly doesn,t help :) The file is wery wide and not that long.16:06
pexiits quite narrow approach to look education only from the public/non-public perspective16:06
pexiand im dropping this now :)16:07
KaffeeJunky123pexi: !16:07
chem|stpdf reader is broken too!16:07
KaffeeJunky123pexi: you won't get away this easiely16:07
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KaffeeJunky123pexi: join ##politics and let's discuss this matter16:07
GAN900RST38h, I'm trying to find a good source on that one.16:07
chem|stthe >< go missing in FSmode if you tabbed the screen once16:07
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pexisorry, im bit too old for that :)16:07
RST38hGAN900: My guess is that yes, it started as professional education, but no, it has never been INTENDED as a too of indoctrination16:08
DocScrutinizeralso beware, Doc is still in a grumpy mood16:08
chem|stZwi: wide and long is just what you need landscape for so why you want to turn?16:08
RST38hGAN900: Besides, it is probably different depending on what country you are in16:08
GAN900Conference people ^16:08
crashanddieGAN900, you going?16:09
chem|stZwi: xjournal has more functions than you need I guess16:09
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ZwiThe problem is that if I turn N900 the sides of the paper are still cut out. So I need to scrool every line.16:12
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ZwiIt is not a big problem but it is uncomfortable.16:13
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chem|stGAN900: isn't it enough that intelligence knows about your flight details?16:13
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: netsplit, he's gone16:13
chem|stDocScrutinizer: ty16:13
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RST38hchem|st: it provides certain confidence that they will not use the anal probe, once they really need those details16:14
RST38hSo, yes, it is a good thing!16:14
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chem|stRST38h: facebook-believe "you got no need for privacy nowadays" gets people in serious trouble16:15
RST38hchem|st: Then do not get a facebook account. Why would you need one, anyway?16:15
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chem|stRST38h: it is not about facebook... people like to post twitter anything of their lifes to the net for any reason and look screwed after some russian-belarus network used their identity to buy sportcars and jewelery16:18
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RST38hchem|st: Ok. Why would you want to have a twitter account then?16:18
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RST38hYou want everyone to know when you are taking a shit, with photos?16:19
KaffeeJunky123I deleted my twitter account after some agb changes...16:19
chem|stnevermind.... if they like to... .oO(I should change my businessplan to identity theft)16:19
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KaffeeJunky123refering my email account to my twitter account in public isn't something I want16:19
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RST38hIt all comes down to your personal choice16:19
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lcukRST38h, twitter allows photos now?16:21
* lcuk sets up his toilet to auto upload on flush16:22
KaffeeJunky123RST38h: well, it's just most people don't want to get an email from guys how follow them on twitter16:22
KaffeeJunky123and also one thing why I quit twitter16:23
KaffeeJunky123suddenly people started following me!16:23
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lcukKaffeeJunky123, shocking16:24
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KaffeeJunky123lcuk: well I guess that's what I got for posting some #911txts from wikileaks that I found to be funny16:24
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DocScrutinizerKaffeeJunky123: no, what you  really got from that will show eventually when you learn about bureaucracy16:29
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DocScrutinizer"Duh, what noflight list? WTF, do I look like a taliban?!?" - "Sorry, Sir, please leave the airport! NOW!"16:30
KaffeeJunky123Actually, if I'd ever fly to the usa I'll definitly grow a taliban beard before doing so :)16:31
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DocScrutinizerWB everybody :-D16:33
DocScrutinizerGAN900: took a offtime? :-D16:34
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DocScrutinizerinfobot: bark16:34
DocScrutinizerhmm, she's busy with recovering from the shock16:35
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GAN900Shit netsplit?16:36
* GAN900 has hidden join/parts.16:36
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DocScrutinizer34 went16:36
GAN900 <- fill in your info.16:36
infobotDocScrutinizer: aw, gee16:37
* infobot barks, like a rabid dog.16:37
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ebzzry_My new conversations are not logged, why do you think it happens?17:01
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ebzzry_It doesn't reflect in el-v1.db, too.17:05
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KaffeeJunky123ebzzry_: they're logged17:06
KaffeeJunky123ebzzry_: ask the NSA for them, they might hand em over17:06
ebzzry_I don't know what you smoked, what you could be nicer.17:06
infobotebzzry_ meant: I don't know but you smoked, what you could be nicer.17:07
ebzzry_2nd what. jesus.17:07
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ebzzry_Is it possible that logging can be turned off?17:14
ebzzry_Say, by an app?17:14
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alteregoWhat logging?17:15
ebzzry_Suddenly, my conversations are not logged.17:16
Turskiebzzry_: i think i've seen a bug report about that17:16
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ebzzry_When I run the conversations app, my new chats don't appear.17:16
ebzzry_In some instances, a contact chat window doesn't show the previous messages.17:17
ebzzry_Just a blank one.17:17
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ebzzry_Another interesting thing is that microb has stopped working - it won't run.17:19
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johnsu01kind of strange that the predictive text features don't apply to the virtual keyboard, isn't it?17:24
chem|stebzzry_: my last skype conversation shows as user "-"17:25
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wbscould anyone who still is running PR 1.2 do me a favour and give the output of "gst-inspect dspmp4venc | grep Version"?17:29
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marmoutegst-inspect: not found17:30
marmouteyou're welcome17:30
wbsthanks ;P does gst-inspect-0.10 work better?17:31
alteregowbs: gst-inspect0.10 actually ;)17:31
alteregoYou need to apt-get install gstreamer-tools17:31
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wbsmarmoute: ok, could you extract the /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/ instead, and send it somewhere?17:48
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GAN900johnsu01, Nokia does everything they can to cripple the virtual input with each new release.17:50
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alteregoDoes glibc defer `delete`? I can't understand why I'm getting a freakin' memory leak from my code :/17:55
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crashanddiealterego, show code17:57
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alteregocrashanddie: p17:59
alteregowhoops :)18:00
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alteregocrashanddie: I also allocate arrays on m_W[n] obviously :)18:02
mgedminI see no leak in the code you posted18:03
mgedminbut you have more code, apparently18:03
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KaffeeJunky123delete [] m_W[i]; doesn't make any sense in that loop there18:04
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alteregoKaffeeJunky123: why not?18:04
KaffeeJunky123atleast not with the code you've provided18:04
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alteregoKaffeeJunky123: yeah, I'm missing the bit where I alloc arrays into each index of m_W;18:04
alteregoThat's why the it's in the dtor18:05
KaffeeJunky123without the Complex class, I can't say a thing18:05
KaffeeJunky123create a testcase that recreates your exact issue18:05
alteregoComplex is: typedef std::complex<double> Complex18:05
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* alterego whips out valgrind18:08
alteregoGuess I should get to know this ..18:08
KaffeeJunky123you're creating an array with the size m_LogPoints +118:08
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KaffeeJunky123  for(int i = 1; i < m_LogPoints; i++)  <-- that loop won't reach the last element18:09
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jacekowskiit will18:09
alteregoSorry, changed to <= ;)18:10
KaffeeJunky123hm you're right18:10
jacekowskiint array[5];18:10
* alterego has another go.18:10
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jacekowskiarray[5]=1234; == segfault18:10
KaffeeJunky123m_LogPoints+1 is the size of the array <_<18:10
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jacekowskiarrays start from 018:10
jacekowskiyou are starting from 1718:10
jacekowskithat's a first problem18:11
alteregojacekowski: intentional, my algorithm requires it, 0 isn't allocated.18:11
jacekowskiso what is the problem anyways?18:11
alteregoAh, seemed to have fixed it :)18:12
alteregoKaffeeJunky123: you were right about the i < x; bit, changed to <=18:12
fcrochikAny network experts out there? My n900 refuses to resolve dns when connected to wifi ... I have pr1.3 installed and know that it works for some people18:12
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KaffeeJunky123alterego: maybe, I'm not sure about anything anymore18:13
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KaffeeJunky123jacekowski broke my math just now18:13
KaffeeJunky123so i'll settle down, and concentrate18:13
KaffeeJunky123bzzz I was right jacekowski was wrong18:14
KaffeeJunky123got trolled18:14
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alteregoNow to test my code works ^.^18:15
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KaffeeJunky123jacekowski: assume you've got an int array[6]; for(i=0;i<5;i++){dosomething with array[i];} will never reach the last element18:16
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KaffeeJunky123jacekowski: because after i=4 the loop will end, so please don't mess up my basic maths again18:16
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* slonopotamus tries to choose between unlimited 3g @128kbps for $7/mo and @512kbps for $26/mo and fails18:22
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slonopotamusit's almost linear price growth, so the question is if i really need 512kbps18:23
zsshould I update firmware to 1.3 if I have UK model?18:23
kerioslonopotamus: can you even reach 512kbps?18:24
slonopotamuskerio: dunno. they offer up to 4Mbps18:24
kerioyeah, right18:24
slonopotamusi guess you can, with hsdpa18:25
KaffeeJunky123totally depends on your provider18:26
KaffeeJunky123eplus in germany doesn't have hsdpa at all18:26
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KaffeeJunky123expect for some test villages18:26
KaffeeJunky123or something like that18:26
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slonopotamuswell, coverage ranges from edge, then umts and to full hsdpa here18:26
slonopotamusaccording to wikipedia, Current HSDPA deployments support down-link speeds of 1.8, 3.6, 7.2 and 14.0 Mbit/s.18:27
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slonopotamusoh, i lied, my operator offers up to 7mbps18:27
KaffeeJunky123slonopotamus: doesn't mean anything if your provider doesn't support hsdpa18:27
slonopotamusKaffeeJunky123: if it didn't, it couldn't offer 7mbps :) and it does, i see 3.5G on n900 in some places18:28
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KaffeeJunky123slonopotamus: they're writing "up to 7mbps" into their contract18:28
KaffeeJunky123slonopotamus: that doesn't mean they've to supply it irl18:28
nidOnice that they call it 3g and offer 128kbps though, thats slower than EDGE18:29
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KaffeeJunky123nidO: actually 128kbps is about as fast as EDGE can get ^^18:29
MOUDAre Maemo Extras and Extras-Devel catalogs offline?18:29
KaffeeJunky123maybe a little more18:29
nidOedge runs upto 384kbps18:29
SwedeMikeyeah, I've seen 140 kilobits/s of TCP thruput on EDGE.18:29
slonopotamusnidO: they call it "unlimited wireless internet"18:29
* MohammadAG51 got 7.2MBps in Jordan18:29
KaffeeJunky123nidO: that's umts already18:29
crashanddiealterego, sorry, was on the phone, still need help?18:30
KaffeeJunky123nidO: also you probably mean kbit18:30
SwedeMike , edge seems to go up to 1 meg18:30
nidOthats what i said. and so did slonopotamus18:30
SwedeMike"EDGE can carry a bandwidth up to 236.8 kbit/s (with end-to-end latency of less than 150 ms) for 4 timeslots (theoretical maximum is 473.6 kbit/s for 8 timeslots) in packet mode."18:31
slonopotamusnidO: the point is that they have mixed edge/umts/hsdpa coverage and explicitely limit bandwidth to contract you chose18:31
KaffeeJunky123SwedeMike: put they don't give you 4 timeslots normally18:31
slonopotamuswhatever, do i need 512kbps or not? :)18:31
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* wmarone enjoys his 2.5G data connection -_-18:31
SwedeMikeKaffeeJunky123: yeah, so the edge networks I've seen so far has gone up to approx 140 kilobit/s of tcp thruput18:31
KaffeeJunky123I can get 10gb unlimtied rates for 15€ a month here18:32
KaffeeJunky123after the 10gb I'll get 64k speed though...18:32
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SpeedEvil10G 3G?18:32
crashanddieSpeedEvil, no, new iPhone 10G18:32
crashanddieit incorporates 3.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3G chips.18:32
slonopotamusSpeedEvil: he meant amount of download18:32
nidOthink hes referring to monthly transfer though, not speed.18:33
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* SpeedEvil is stil moderately happy with 1Gbyte/mo for 5 dollars US.18:33
SpeedEvil(20 UK pounds for 6mo)18:33
* crashanddie is still happy for 100% unmetered and unlimited data transfer18:33
nidOUK providers have been heavily cutting back on the traffic they allow, it's pitifully shit now :<18:33
SpeedEvilnidO: t-mobile pay-as-you-go with 6mo internet booster18:34
slonopotamuscrashanddie: that costs $50/mo here :)18:34
crashanddieslonopotamus, 30eur here, so pretty much the same18:34
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slonopotamusmeh, stop using euros in international talks :P18:34
MohammadAG51let's make an internet currently18:35
MohammadAG51currency even18:35
fcrochiksorry to repeat my question but I ran out of ideas: Please HELP! Any ideas why the n900 can't resolve dns when connected to wifi?18:35
crashanddieI just realised something18:35
MohammadAG51swatch made an internet time uint (@s), it failed, but meh18:35
MohammadAG51fcrochik, manual dns?18:36
slonopotamuscrashanddie: that's okay, it happens from time to time with everyone18:36
mgedminI would like to purchase this fine package for 2 bits18:36
SwedeMikefcrochik: what diagnosis have you done? looked at resolv.conf ? tcpdump?18:36
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SpeedEvilfcrochik: have you setup your DNS servers explicitly?18:36
slonopotamusi prefer
crashanddieI prefer
fcrochikMohammadAG51, SwedeMike: it is getting the dns from the router...I see it on resolv.conf18:36
nidO208.67.222.222 fo lyfe18:36
MohammadAG51crashanddie, why18:37
mgedmincrashanddie, that's not a public DNS server18:37
MohammadAG51what's that*18:37
crashanddieMohammadAG, you're in jordan?18:37
SpeedEvilfcrochik: can you ping the DNS?18:37
MohammadAG51fucking enter key on the N90018:37
MohammadAG51keeps getting smaller :p18:37
crashanddieMohammadAG, and your name is mohammad?18:37
slonopotamusand last name is AG, ahha18:38
MohammadAG51crashanddie, no, I live in IL18:38
mgedminso 51 must be the age?18:38
MohammadAG51or PS, indifferent18:38
MohammadAG51RX-51 :P18:38
crashanddieyou bastard18:38
crashanddiewe could've made a celebrity off you18:38
* mgedmin wonders how it feels to live in PostScript... does everyone talk backwards?18:38
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MohammadAG51crashanddie, I own Rapidshare AG :P18:38
crashanddiemgedmin, well, they do write from right to left, does that count as backwards?18:39
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RST38hactually they write left to right18:39
fcrochikSpeedEvil, no.. I get network unreachable18:39
MohammadAG51i wish i was still 1518:39
crashanddiehmm, indeed18:39
RST38hthey just push operation after the data18:39
RST38hi.e. mgedmin fork stick18:40
slonopotamuscrashanddie: LIFO, you wanted to say?18:40
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crashanddieSo when they get a "NO PARTS" email from dell, they read "STRAP ON"18:41
crashanddieI understand why they hate the western world.18:41
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crashanddieslonopotamus, at some point in life, you'll notice that LIFO and FILO are exactly the same.18:42
crashanddieyou get screwed, either way.18:42
RST38hin fact you get screwed even when you are not playing the game18:42
alteregow00t, my fft implementation works :D18:42
fcrochikSpeedEvil, I tried to manually add the dns and still the same...I added and still can't ping it18:43
crashanddieyou don't need to add as a dns server in order to ping the IP...18:43
* slonopotamus yawns18:43
alteregocrashanddie: It works :D18:43
crashanddiecongrats :)18:44
crashanddienow make it fast18:44
slonopotamusnow make it work right18:44
slonopotamusand only then fast18:44
alteregoWell, I'm first going to see how it performs against the big boys ;)18:44
crashanddieafter all... [puts sunglasses on] It's called "Fast" Fourrier Transforms... [yyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh]18:44
RST38hFast and furrier transforms18:46
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fcrochikSpeedEvil, I don't know if helps but I tried "udhcpc -i wlan0" and I get an error "/etc/udhcpc/default.zerconf.dhcpc: not found"18:46
alteregoActually, I want to port it to C first.18:46
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alteregoI want to compile it for DSP ...18:46
alteregoAnd I want an OpenCL implementation :x18:47
SpeedEvilfcrochik: sorry - no real idea18:47
slonopotamusalterego: and what is it written in now? python? :P18:47
fcrochikSpeedEvil, thanks anyway... this is driving me crazy18:47
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alteregoUsing QVector from Qt for inbut buffer.18:47
alteregoThat's easy to change.18:47
RST38halterego <-- the true programmer!18:48
RST38halterego: Of course, the real hardcore guy would never use Qt data structures :)18:48
alteregoRST38h: well it's because I plan to use it with QtMultimedia for spectral analysis. But, I want the implementation to be plain C and I'll just wrap a Qt class around it.18:49
alteregoThat way I can port the code to DSP, OpenCL etc.18:49
MOUDI installed Extras-Devel from but it's not working. Is it offline?18:49
alteregoEasier, but still use it for my target app which is Qt based.18:49
RST38hnot port, but implement for, I guess18:49
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* RST38h fruitlessly searches for Qt vs STL data structure performance comparison: that should be a real fun to watch18:50
* tybollt hands RST38h an apple18:51
infobotmethinks maemosdk is
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crashanddieRST38h, somehow, methinks the STL might have an edge18:59
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mgedmincrashanddie, it all depends on how you define your performance function19:01
mgedminI suspect19:01
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mgedminSTL ought to have insanely fast runtime, if you've had insanely good programmers implementing it, and very good ones using it19:02
mgedmincompilation time ... not so much19:02
crashanddieyes, but compilation is less of a burden19:03
mgedminfast iterations are useful for incremental improvement19:03
mgedminlisten to old lispers sing praises to REPL19:03
* alterego grins19:03
mgedminI hate how zope 3 takes several seconds to start up19:03
crashanddiebut True Coders (tm) only write code iterations of 500 lines.19:03
mgedminor restart19:03
* tripzero touches self19:04
mgedmineew, not in public19:04
jacktheripperdoes anyone know how MyDocs is mounted at boot ?19:04
RST38hmgedmin: STL has got a huge catch that some people do not understand19:06
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RST38hmgedmin: It's data structures are based on dynamic memory allocation, i.e. they suck at performance when used by an average programmer19:07
crashanddiejacktheripper, probably using mount?19:07
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jacekowskiRST38h: well allocating memory every two lines of code will suck regardless19:07
RST38hThe official response from STL adepts is "But you have to implement your own memory allocation"19:07
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jacktherippercrashanddie, I mean what script does it.19:08
jacekowskisyscall and stuff19:08
RST38hjacekowski: Yes, but when you implement your own data structures, you usually try avoiding it19:08
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RST38hWith STL you cannot.19:08
jacekowskiyou can try to allocate everything at once19:09
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RST38hthere are other methods19:09
jacekowskiwhich was the way to go in C8919:09
RST38hbasically when you know how your data behaves, you can choose the right approach19:10
jacktheripperMohammadAG, if you are talking about the genfstab part, I've tweaked /etc/default/mount-opts, and it still boots with default options but with a changed /etc/fstab.19:10
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RST38hunfortunately, STL makes you bend head over heels to do the same19:10
MohammadAG51jacktheripper, find /etc -name rcS-late19:10
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jacktheripperyes, /etc/event.d/rcS-late.  I want to change the mount options, so I found a mention of /etc/default/mount-opts. Changed the options and after rebooting fstab is actually different, but the mounting hasn't changed.19:12
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jacktheripperI mean I have to remount MyDocs each time I boot, so that it mounts with the options in fstab, not the default options.19:12
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* RST38h wonders what mischief he should do tonight19:20
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The_BrainRST38h, The same thing we do every night, Pinky -- try to take over the world!19:28
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RST38hBy the way, YESSSS19:28
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jacktheripperfound it! /usr/sbin/mmc-mount19:35
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soltyshi, is there a way to cleanup rootfs so OTA update will work ?19:52
nidOhow much space dyou have19:53
soltys80 MB19:53
nidOthats more than plenty19:53
soltysand package is sth about 90 MB19:53
RST38hshould be enough19:54
nidOif the ota upgrade doesnt work, its because you have an incompatible package. its probably libgles1 used by at least one game you have installed19:54
RST38hmove your apt cache away19:54
nidOcheck details in the upgrade19:54
nidOthen remove the offending package19:54
nidOthen youll be able to upgrade19:54
nidOor use fapman, which can handle the upgrade regardless of the incompatible packages19:54
soltysok, will try that19:55
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sunkanI used to run kernel-power from extras-testing with PR1.2 for IPv6 support is it still working on PR1.3 or should I run another kernel-power kernel?20:04
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alteregoWhere can I get a cross compiler for the dsp in the N900?20:09
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roadiis there a way for backing up the n900 over usb like the dd command? i really need all stored phone numbers. extracting the image would be my problem as a second part.20:18
mgedminroadi, make a backup, then copy the .zip file over usb20:19
alteregoYou can export all the contacts20:19
alteregoand the backup program on the N900 does it.20:20
roadii've bricked my device .... but the backup still exists on the device - hrhrhr20:20
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alteregoYou could boot meego off of a microsd and mount your N900's filesystems and get the files that way.20:21
roadiwhere can i find such image?20:21
roadior would it be possible with the default offered images by nokia?20:21
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roadii've read that this images erase the whole data on my n900 so i dont think this is not my solution for debricking.20:22
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alteregoIt'll erase all the data off off of your micro sd card20:23
alteregoWont touch the internal N900 data.20:24
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alteregoSo backup the micro sd first.20:24
DrWilkenhi guys. isn't it possible to update meego? tried using yum update but that didn't work... :)20:24
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DrWilken(as root)20:24
alteregoDrWilken: wrong chan ;)20:24
roadialterego: thx :)20:25
DrWilkenyou're right :)20:25
* mgedmin lurks on meego lists and hears things like "use zypper, yum is deprecated" and "you can't upgrade meego 1.0 to 1.1, reinstall"20:25
DrWilkenthx mgedmin :)20:25
DrWilkenam using 1.120:25
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DrWilkengotta reboot... :)20:26
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* alterego starts working on hooking up QtMultimedia to his shiny new FFT implementation :D20:26
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sunkanAnyone running kernel-power on PR1.3? Can I use the version from extras-testing or do I need the newest in -devel?20:29
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zapAnybody knows why the portmap daemon does not start on N900? I have to run it manually, although there are corresponding links in /etc/rc*.d/20:34
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Skyscraperhi all20:36
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Skyscraperdoes anyone know how to connect to an FritzBox VPN with N900? can i do it with vpnc (which i have installed because i need to connect to an cisco vpn sometimes)20:37
luke-jrzap: who uses portmap anymore?20:38
Skyscraperi found - but the link to the shrew for n900 deb is dead20:38
DocScrutinizerportmap, a funny concept20:40
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Noobmonk3yhmmm is there another clever way to get the firmware version other than "dpkg -l "mp-fremantle-*" | grep ii" in terminal?21:00
Noobmonk3yie, dbus/hal etc21:00
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Noobmonk3yhmmm run that in x-term?21:05
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DocScrutinizerosso-product-info even21:05
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Noobmonk3yooo cool21:06
Noobmonk3ythanks DocScrutinizer5121:06
Noobmonk3ythanks DocScrutinizer21:06
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DocScrutinizeralso is set for all standard shells as env:21:09
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# echo $OSSO_VERSION21:09
Noobmonk3yyay! osso-product-info -q OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION21:10
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Noobmonk3y(got that from my own tmo post earlier this year, lol!!!)21:10
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ZogGhey gays21:17
ZogGDocScrutinizer, sup?21:17
* RST38h does visual comparison of and lurkmore.ru21:18
RST38hnaah, the .com one can't really compare...21:18
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ioanso, that version of flash circulating around is the real deal? (the one)21:19
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ZogGRST38h is it the same creators?21:19
ZogGwhich one is copy?21:20
RST38hthey are not21:20
ZogGand wichone is better?21:20
RST38hstarted with the same set of topics, went different paths21:20
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RST38hThe .ru one has got much wider scope and the fuck-it-all approach, similar to Encyclopedia Dramatica21:21
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ZogGRST38h russian one is copy, from the begginig, them maybe the paths separated21:22
RST38hThe .com one mostly centered on Nchan folklore and mostly serious21:22
RST38hZogG: Well, not exactly a copy (they covered different boards after all) but close enough21:22
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ZogGRST38h, 2ch is copy of 4chan anyway21:26
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Appiahnot the other way?21:27
RST38hZogG: I am not an expert in various sorts of excrement21:27
ZogGAppiah, rusian 2ch21:28
ZogGbut the source is japan boards21:28
RST38hthe idea came from Japanese TV-related discussion forums21:28
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RST38h"Model is a bunch of shit which includes code which queries the database. Controller is how you interact through your model to retrieve the desired result from your model setting. View is a classic piece of shit of a template system. It'd be easier to just fucking use a regular SQL query and echo it, but no, RAILS MAKES IT EASIER!"21:29
RST38h"RoR is Japanese for LOL" =)21:29
GAN900Operation temporarily disabled due to memory.21:30
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GAN900I have an unheardof 32MB free. . . .21:30
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SpeedEvil1That's your problem.21:30
RST38hYou don't, your Linux does21:30
SpeedEvil1Free space is stored in a 24 bit field.21:30
SpeedEvil1It can never get over 16M21:30
RST38hAnd it is not asking you what it is gonna do with it21:30
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GAN900How does Nokia do it?21:33
GAN900Mess things up so well and have absolutely no remorse about leaving you to deal with it.21:34
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RST38hNot sure if it is Nokia to blame in this case21:35
RST38hOr the core Linux stuff21:35
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zapluke-jr: portmap is needed for NFS to work21:36
zapif portmap is not running, mounting a nfs share locks up the process21:37
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zap24 bits? where?21:40
RST38h"[Java] is notable (along with Flash) for being one of the few technologies that allows Alan Turing to pwn your browser."21:41
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FIQ|n900Hi, why have confirmations in apt-get never worked properly in Maemo?21:48
RST38heh? they do not?21:48
FIQ|n900Just pressing enter works, but _why_ is it impossible to type "y"/"Y"?21:48
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RST38hI always type y. It works.21:48
RST38h'n' works too.21:48
FIQ|n900Then it takes it as a no21:48
FIQ|n900and it has always done that21:48
RST38hnot here, or maybe I am hallucinating21:49
FIQ|n900for me21:49
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FIQ|n900apt for armel compiled on Jan 13 2010 16:38:0221:50
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FIQ|n900is the version21:50
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ioanoff-topic, but... did any of you ever tried Electronic Cigarettes? do they feel like the real deal? I have a friend that's a smoker and I'm thinking of buying a set for him for birthday21:52
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lcukioan, i once tried an electronic cigarette.21:54
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GAN900ioan, there may be additional health risks involved.21:54
lcukthing nearly damn killed me when i managed to get it lit21:54
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lcuki had to use a blowtorch unlike with a normal cig21:54
ioanluck :-))21:54
ioanGAN900, isn't it just steam with nicotine?21:55
GAN900ioan, apparently there may be complications with that delivery method.21:55
ioanI'm not saying that is good, but probably is not as bad as real cigarettes21:55
* GAN900 searches for a citation.21:55
RST38hioan: there was a widely circulated review that found them useless21:55
lcukioan, the only positive side is feeling smug at being able to waft it in the air and smoke it in places where cigs arent allowed21:55
GAN900Or not21:55
GAN900Operation temporarily disable due to low memory.21:56
lcukbut that just makes you look like a doofus anyway ;)21:56
RST38hioan: compared them to real cigarettes21:56
GAN900I think that'll be my new catch phrase.21:56
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lcukGAN900, which, you are disabled due to low memory21:56
zapnext step will be injecting nicotine directly into the brain21:56
GAN900"That's what she said!"21:57
lcukzap, patches21:57
* Noobmonk3y needs some geeky help21:57
RST38hzap: Why do this with nicotine though?21:57
ioanI quit smoking 10 years ago with help from nicorette gum...21:57
GAN900As with all chemical addictions, past a certain point it's mostly just getting you back to "normal" range.21:57
RST38hzap: When much more potent stuff is available...21:57
zapRST38h: because people wants it21:57
Noobmonk3yi'm assuming i cant dive a string (ie string = string / 1000) , so best to convert to int, then back to string?21:57
GAN900I hear snorting coke gives a good buzz.21:58
lcukNoobmonk3y, would love to help, but operation temporarily disabled due to low memory.21:58
Noobmonk3ylcuk: meh....21:58
RST38hNoobmonkey <-- is doing something weird21:58
GAN900lcuk, see, perfect catch phrase.21:58
Noobmonk3yRST38h: ?21:58
lcukNoobmonk3y, why (a) are you using strings for numerics,  (b) expecting to convert a string to int, then divide by 1000 and expect a heathly result21:59
lcukGAN900, thanks dude, it does work!21:59
Noobmonk3ylcuk - read in the available cpu frequencies21:59
Noobmonk3ywant to divide by 1000 to make em readble21:59
RST38hNoob: Normally, you are supposed to store ints as ints21:59
RST38hNoob: And only convert them to strings for display21:59
Noobmonk3ywell i've read them in from terminal as strings lol22:00
Noobmonk3yso, they are strings, and that be that!22:00
lcukatoi() is the c way22:00
GAN900Screw this22:00
* GAN900 reboots.22:00
tripzerosomeString.toInt() //FTW22:01
* Noobmonk3y cuddles tripzero 22:01
lcuktripzero, does that work no matter what flavour of string you use?22:01
lcuki keep hearing things about how many variations on storing bytes there are22:02
tripzerofor std::strings, use stringstream22:02
tripzeroint foo; istringstream bar("10"); bar>>foo;22:02
Macerfm booster crashes in 1.322:03
Noobmonk3yok, maths works fine22:03
Noobmonk3ybut now need to chuck int back into a string lol22:03
Noobmonk3ytoString doesnt work, butttttttt...22:03
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Noobmonk3yQstring(int) might?22:03
tripzeroor actually QString::number22:03
Noobmonk3yQstring(number) worked fine :)22:04
Noobmonk3yomg lcuk! - i need to screenie this!22:05
RST38hHe apparently got a number.22:05
RST38hWhat a guy!22:05
lcukRST38h, importantly22:05
Noobmonk3ylcuk: It's displaying the results in chinese!22:05
lcukhe got it without constructing proxy classes or an object model to split the model/view portions up :P22:06
RST38hHow do you know it is Chinese?22:06
RST38hMaybe it is Norvegian?22:06
Noobmonk3yLol read in string (all ok) convert to int (All ok), divide by 2 (all ok), add to listwidget(as String) - = Chinese!!!!22:06
lcukNoobmonk3y, perhaps it has used your data and given you unicode out from within22:06
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RST38hlcuk: One more mention of the MVC and I am starting to quote encyclopedia dramatica at you =)22:06
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lcukthe wikidot stuff was better22:07
lcukmore believable22:07
RST38hlcuk: Yea, I know22:07
RST38hlcuk: Just read ED's take on Ruby though, had trouble pulling myself up from the floor22:08
lcukpoor you22:08
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* Noobmonk3y is still giggling loudly at the chinese22:09
lcukhi BabelO22:09
lcukNoobmonk3y, pix22:09
lcukand Noobmonk3y22:09
Noobmonk3yi think i know why, divided it by 2, not 1k just to test22:09
lcukwhy should that matter?22:10
BabelOCan someone tell me if screen rotation is in qt 4.7 on *N900 and i want to remove my old dbus method, is there another way to do screen rotation now ?22:10
BabelOhi lcuk22:10
Noobmonk3yomg, divind by 100 gives something that looks aramaic - and a bumhole looking character22:10
Noobmonk3ydividing / 100022:10
lcukthe constructur you are using is borkened22:10
Noobmonk3yjust showed a mate -> he asked what the bumhole meant22:11
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lcukBabelO, hrm22:11
lcukassume it should be22:11
lcukcant remember tho22:11
BabelOlcuk: i did not find any more the WA_Maemo* stuff22:12
BabelOi have made a new package for qlandkarte M and 4.7 and use qt mobility now.22:12
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lcukBabelO, well, qt4.7 and qt mobility and stuff is geared for cross platform use22:12
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Noobmonk3yBumhole character! ---->
Noobmonk3yWell technically, Bum....22:14
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Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: Explain that Bum lol!22:14
kerioNoobmonk3y: ☞ɷ☜22:15
Noobmonk3yBacon in bum language?22:15
Noobmonk3yhorribly wrong thought22:15
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Noobmonk3yWell the problem is definitley in ui->listWidget->addItem(QString(mhz));22:16
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lcukNoobmonk3y, what datatype is mhz22:16
Noobmonk3y(and debug says it is the right number, ie the one i want!)22:17
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lcukprint the string first22:17
lcukto see what it does22:17
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Noobmonk3ytrying it :)22:18
Noobmonk3yyup - bum language22:18
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Noobmonk3ylcuk: sorted -> QString text_integer = text_integer.setNum(mhz);22:23
Noobmonk3y                  ui->listWidget->addItem(text_integer);22:23
Noobmonk3yi lie22:23
Noobmonk3yit segfaulted!22:23
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ZogGhere is powerful dneary22:36
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dnearyMy ZogG22:51
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dnearythp, Ping?22:51
ZogGdneary =)22:52
ZogGdneary there was topic about kinda brainstorm22:52
dnearyZogG, Really?22:52
ZogGabout changelog for realses22:52
dnearyOn GNOME desktop-devel-list?22:53
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ZogGit should be added to repos as mustto22:53
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dnearyZogG, I've lost you22:56
dnearyWho here knows Valgrind well?22:56
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dnearyI'd like to use it to profile an application22:57
dneary(leading question)22:57
ZogGdneary on maemo apps, when you update you don't get changelog in app manager22:58
dnearyZogG, And where was the discussion?22:58
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ZogGdneary TMO22:58
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javispedroto get changelog in appmgr you need to set the special X-Maemo field23:00
javispedrowhose name I don't remember.23:00
ZogGvery funny23:00
ZogGlike it's matter what thread23:01
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alteregoHrm .. My FFT implementation doesn't seem to work well on the N900 :/23:01
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javispedrodneary: I also know valgrind, but only trivially, and enough to say that the arm version was not ready until relatively recently23:02
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javispedrodneary: so you might need to get a recent version, not from sdk.23:02
dnearyjavispedro, I'm looking for someone who knows Valgrind well enough to explain how to use it to find and fix a memory leak, and to profile an app to find a performance issue23:03
* javispedro never used valgrind to profile anything ... :P23:03
javispedrothe hardest part of using valgrind correctly depends on your toolkit, so...23:04
javispedro(because your toolkit might not be freeing stuff when you want it to be freed, and valgrind doesn't know..)23:04
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RST38hheya javispedro23:06
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javispedrohey RST38h23:08
alecjwhi, the media player on my n900 is only indexing my mp3 files and not my vorbis ones. i have ogg-support and extra-decoders installed, and i've tried re-running the configure script for extra-decoders as previously suggested23:08
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Appiahalecjw: did you update to PR1.3?23:09
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robtayloralterego: maybe you could look at NEON or use Orc to JIT for NEON23:09
AppiahI had to uninstall extra-decoder and ogg-support after upgrade, then install it again.23:09
alecjwAppiah, it started happening after i ran a maemo update if that's what you mean23:09
alecjwah right ok ill try that23:09
dfaurethere's a bug in /usr/share/applications/hildon/browser.desktop (package tablet-browser-ui) on the N900, the Exec line is missing %u. Who can fix it / where do I report it?23:09
DocScrutinizerNoobmonk3y: learn about datatypes and how to *convert* between them! what you're doing is typecasting (see wikipedia if in doubt)23:09
lcukalterego, what did you write your fft in?23:10
lcuk7mhz amigas can process in realtime an fft23:10
lcukdfaure, what problem does it cause?23:11
alteregolcuk: C++23:11
dnearyalterego, Is fftiw still the fastest Fourier transform in the West?23:11
alteregodneary: no idea :P23:11
lcukalterego, c++ is not the only thing23:11
DocScrutinizeralterego: try Prolog!23:11
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lcukdid you write it as low level array mucking23:11
alteregoI don't think madde compiles with vfp ..23:11
dfaurelcuk: it makes kde applications download the URL into a tempfile instead of passing the URL to the 'browser' application23:11
alteregolcuk: yeah23:11
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lcukor did you put each wavelet into an object and add a whole model/view tree to it!23:11
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robtaylorDocScrutinizer: i hat to write an FFT in prolog when i was at uni23:12
alteregolcuk: haha23:12
dfaurelcuk: this is as the desktop-file-entry-standard says about .desktop files; the exec line needs %u if the application supports urls as command-line arguments23:12
lcukalterego, whilst going ott to explain and you get the joke, you see why i am serious :P23:12
robtaylorDocScrutinizer: a little mind-bending, but fun23:12
lcukdfaure, kde applications are failing on maemo?23:13
DocScrutinizerrobtaylor: and for sure lightning fast23:13
lcukwhich kde apps are in the repositories?23:13
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alteregoIS there anyway I can check to see if an executable is compiled with vfp?23:13
lcukkotzcarny has been doing some wicked fft stuff recently23:14
dfaurelcuk: I foud this while testing kdepim-mobile, OK, separate repo. This isn't the point though: if this app supports URLs (I'm not actually sure... testing now....) then it should said %u. Otherwise it shouldn't have the MimeType line it has....23:14
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robtaylorDocScrutinizer: oh, for sure ;)23:14
alteregoHrm, "Tag_FP_arch: VFPv3" I guess may answer my question.23:14
lcukdfaure, actual use case problem specifically on maemo?23:14
dnearyalterego, Perhaps there's something in the elf header?23:14
dfaurelcuk: none, if you exclude kde apps, I presume... I suppose the maemo launcher happily passes urls to apps, ignoring the spec...23:15
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DocScrutinizeralterego: if you want decent speed, use longint instead of float!23:15
lcukrobtaylor, can gcc compile prolog still?23:15
Noobmonk3ythanks doc, will do :)23:15
alteregoI'm using double ..23:15
lcukalterego, chunky shifted ints for speed, think like a democoder and not a scientist23:15
robtaylorlcuk: I didn't think it ever did23:15
DocScrutinizeralterego: maybe even int32 or int1623:16
DocScrutinizerdepends on accuracy you need23:16
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alteregoI don't think accuracy is my main concern right now ^.^23:16
robtayloralterego: aka fixed point arithmetic23:16
dfaurelcuk: actually /usr/bin/browser --url=%u is the right syntax, so this .desktop file needs to be splitted in two; one with just Exec and no mimetypes, and one with Exec=browser --url=%u and the mimetypes.23:17
dfaurewould have been simpler if that app just took a url on the command line, like every other browser....23:17
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alteregoOkay, I'll try fixed point ..23:17
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alecjwAppiah, that did it. thanks :)23:18
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robtaylordneary: btw for performance profiileing, use kcachegrind, google will tell you all23:18
lcukahhh says that its the gnu prolog compiler.  it just never made it into gcc23:18
Appiahalecjw: np!23:18
dnearyrobtaylor, It's still callgrind under the covers23:18
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dnearyrobtaylor, Going to Dublin?23:18
robtaylordneary: kcachegrind is theUI to use. there's no gnoem equivalent. its clunky but useful23:19
Appiahfirst thing I noticed when updating to PR1.3 , I had about 1100 songs in the media player, after update 99023:19
dnearyrobtaylor, Sure23:19
robtaylordneary: of course. we're sponsoring the breaks on the first day23:19
dnearyrobtaylor, Will you be in Saturday afternoon?23:19
Appiahfigured it was the decoder/oggsupport package needed reinstalling23:19
alecjwAppiah, mine went from about 1000 down to 7 :P23:19
alecjwi only have 7 songs in proprietary formats23:20
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Appiahkinda sucks there no seek support23:20
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alecjwi keep most of my music library in flac on my server23:20
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alecjwthen i have a bash script to convert to medium quality ogg to go on to my n90023:20
lcukis that a bondage term?23:20
mgedminthere's a terminal emulator for bondage?23:21
alecjwlcuk, lolwut?23:21
robtaylordneary: landing sunday night23:21
alecjwoh sorry thought you were talking to me23:21
dnearymgedmin, How about you? Around Saturday afternoon?23:22
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mgedminyeah ...23:22
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alteregoAnyone got a floor I can sleep on? :D23:23
* robtaylor -> bed23:24
robtaylordneary: see you in dublin :)23:24
dnearyrobtaylor, Yup23:24
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dnearyI will have my runners with me23:25
alteregoI think I can get the funds, unfortunately I don't hae anywhere to stay ...23:25
dnearyRobot101, Anyone from Collabora getting in early?23:25
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alteregoStrange, even with fixed point doesn't seem to be performing much better.23:28
alteregoI must be doing something else wrong :/23:28
Noobmonk3yahaaaaaaa, after an hour of washing up -> ui->listWidget->addItem(numstring.setNum(mhz));23:28
dfaureNoobmonk3y: that's weird code; don't you mean  addItem(QString::number(mhz)) ?23:28
DocScrutinizeralterego: try to use a sane prog lang, like e.g plain c23:28
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: yeah, I was going to port it to plain C anyway.23:29
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dfaureplain C is sane? no comment ;)23:29
DocScrutinizerprobably QintegerArray doesn't work that well ;-P23:29
alteregoNot using any Qt structures in the processing, all pre allocated buffers.23:30
DocScrutinizerdfaure: I must not tell my true opinion here, not to offend all those cute young people23:30
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alteregoAnyhow, bbl23:33
DocScrutinizerjust so much: my first programs were written in Z80 mnemonics on a sheet of paper, then converted to hex and address calculated by hand, then singlestepped virtually in my head, and finally entered and ready to run. Usually without a single bug23:33
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DocScrutinizers/on a /on a pile of/23:34
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: just so much: my first programs were written in Z80 mnemonics on a pile ofsheet of paper, then converted to hex and address calculated by hand, then singlestepped virtually in my head, and finally entered and ready to run. Usually without a single bug23:34
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* nox- hand-assembled z80 as well... were you also using a zx81? :)23:39
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DocScrutinizerwasn't available when I did this23:39
DocScrutinizerlater yes23:39
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DocScrutinizerNasCom-1, google for it23:40
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nox-nice :)23:41
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DocScrutinizerearly model, no microsoft basic yet23:44
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Noobmonk3ydfaure: meh, that way didnt work, mine does :)23:44
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dfaureNoobmonk3y: ok I assume you use numstring elsewhere then. But then I would still split that line in two, for readability.23:45
dfaureyou're assigning to numstring -and- adding an item, in the same line.23:46
Noobmonk3ynope, dont use it anywhere else23:46
Noobmonk3ywas just getting it to be a string in the additem23:46
dfaurethen my line is equivalent to yours23:46
Noobmonk3ybut caused my app to segfault -> tried it earlier23:46
dfaure(but removes the need for a qstring variable)23:46
dfaureQString::number segfaults?? I doubt that ;)23:46
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Noobmonk3ywell it does23:47
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Noobmonk3ywhy would i lie? been trying to do that line for a while23:47
* DocScrutinizer mumbles "friggin c++, use sprintf"23:48
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dfaureNoobmonk3y: I think something else is crashing "randomly", and you're mislead by unrelated changes23:51
dfaureNoobmonk3y: if you can run this app on a linux desktop, run it in valgrind23:51
Noobmonk3ywell, add that line, it segfaults, change it to mine it works - i'm new to this entirely, but quite happy to stay clear of segfaults23:51
b-man_DocScrutinizer, std::cout << "Hello, World\n"; xD23:52
Noobmonk3ysorry dfaure can't :( - very integrated into maemo atm23:52
dfaureNoobmonk3y: of course I meant ui->listWidget->addItem(QString::number(mhz));23:52
* DocScrutinizer mumbles gdb23:52
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dfaureyeah, gdb might help, actually, to see where it crashes, at least23:53
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dnearydfaure, Are you going to be in Dublin, by the way?23:53
Noobmonk3yhehe will try it next time, for now i'm onto my next error :P23:53
dfauredneary: no23:53
dnearydfaure, Dommage23:54
dfaureI'm not really involved in maemo-related things, just trying to find out where to report a bug in package tablet-browser-ui :)23:54
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dnearyDublin is MeeGo not Maemo :)23:54
dfaureeven less involved in meego ;)23:55
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