IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-10-21

nox-yeah thats the other option as javispedro said00:00
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dreamerk, I'll do that then ;)00:02
dreamerwant my device to be as independent as possible ;)00:02
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dreamergah -> gtar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No Such file or directory00:06
* Noobmonk3y is actually getting somewhere with QT/c++00:06
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alteregoNoobmonk3y: (thumbs up)00:07
Noobmonk3yhehehe :)00:07
Noobmonk3ySo far (3 days in) i have an autorotating menu with stackablewidgets, and i'm reading in values, with the layouts working correctly!00:07
dreamerah, bzip2 was not installed .. -doh-00:07
Noobmonk3ynext step is to get the threading class working (just to eat the battery lol) - then replicate the value reading in!00:07
Noobmonk3yand by 3 days i mean about 6 hours lol -00:08
Noobmonk3yHealthcheck V3 due sometime around xmas at this rate!00:08
Noobmonk3ylol dreamer00:08
dreamerNoobmonk3y: I've been wanting to play with QT/c++ for a while .. just not able to find the time -_-00:08
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Noobmonk3yhehe :) its not quite as bad as i thought, just the learning c++ that is a mind bender!00:09
dreamerfinding time is quite a problem here hehe00:10
javispedropfft. the pre sdl_mixer even has some optimizations for arm/neon.00:11
* javispedro grabs, might even package it for maemo native apps.00:11
Noobmonk3ylol know the feeling, been 3/4 months since i last updated healthcheck, so finally got of my ass. The GF has started sign language, so at least 1 day a week i have 3 or so hours spare :)00:11
GAN900Pre 2 is purty.00:11
Noobmonk3yGAN900: wash your mouth out lol00:11
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javispedroI've always said it has been like, my "second option" after Maemo.00:12
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javispedroit's the most Maemo-like by a large, large margin.00:12
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javispedro(well, save for Openmoko and the like)00:12
BCMManyone else occasionally find their n900 won't turn on?00:13
BCMMand is there a better way to fix it then popping the battery out for a moment?00:13
javispedroBCMM: curiously enough, this morning.00:13
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Noobmonk3yooo interesting not had that yet :|00:14
javispedroBCMM: I also fixed it that way. I think I left it with a NFS mount, entered a reboot loop, and emptied the battery. was your battery empty?00:14
Noobmonk3ywas just telling mo, next april is when i get a new device, so a while to go :P00:14
Noobmonk3ystill loving the n900 :)00:14
javispedroNoobmonk3y: the device itself has a lot of problems -- slow, capacitive, lo res screen, ...00:15
Noobmonk3ythe n900? lol00:15
Noobmonk3ythank god i aint that geeky, mines been fine :)00:15
javispedrono =) the Pre.00:15
Noobmonk3yor the pre 2?00:16
javispedrodunno, I've only tried 1.00:16
Noobmonk3ylol pre2 not out yet though isnt it? its the new model to come?00:16
javispedroI think it's out already.00:16
BCMMjavispedro: nope00:16
BCMMjavispedro: it just does that occasionally00:17
BCMMi vaguely suspect that trying to turn it on while plugging it into a charger might do it00:17
Noobmonk3yactually -
BCMMbut i'm not sure00:17
Noobmonk3ystill not that great i agree00:17
Noobmonk3ywill stick with a more powered device i feel00:18
Noobmonk3yBCMM: yeah i've had that before, if you try to do it too quickly, seems to be an order needed at times, but then i just unplug, wait 2 seconds and turn on00:18
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javispedroBCMM: mine does it around 2 o 3 times a year.00:19
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dreamerso, I'm trying FF4 beta, but it doesn't find the flashplayer. anyone know how I can enable this?00:28
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nox-last i tried ff4 on maemo they still had plugins disabled (video was too jerky), so unless they fixed that now...00:39
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Noobmonk3yhow do i call a function from another class/file in c++?00:42
Noobmonk3yoh my fault00:42
Noobmonk3ylol ignore me00:42
dreamernox-: yeah, finally found a thread on it .. it's still very much beta I guess, but they say youtube should work (but the suggested youtube-enabler is not available)00:42
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dreamerbut, the features in FF4 are much MUCH nicer then fennec I must say00:43
Noobmonk3ymeh time for bed i feel!00:43
Noobmonk3ynit alls00:43
dreamerexcept I can't circle-zoom ;)00:43
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dreameryeah, here too00:43
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pupnik    "The UK government plans to introduce legislation that will allow the police to track every phone call, email, text message and website visit made by the public. The information will include who is contacting whom, when and where and which websites are visited, but not the content of the conversations or messages. Every communications provider will be req00:56
wmaroneyes, we can read slashdot too00:56
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pupniknotice to UK residents...00:57
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wmaroneoh and you had to go poo across both meego channels too...00:58
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nox-.oO(so if `1984' wasnt true yet it soon will be... ):01:00
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* oshin prays 1.3 fixed #1074701:02
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keriopupnik: England prevails!01:03
javispedroave imperator!01:03
pupnikthis isn't productive use of resources or human time01:04
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Sceltbug 1074701:09
povbotBug Corrupted Thai text in conversation input box when using backspace.01:09
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oshinScelt, can produce that for me if you have leaked 1.3?01:12
Sceltdon have01:12
oshinok, thanks.01:12
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andre__oshin: "Status: NEW" in that bug report is quite clear compared to "RESOLVED FIXED", isn't it?01:20
oshinandre__, it was close source and I wonder if the bug was handled internally01:21
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oshinas if it weren't i would have fixed it already.01:22
andre__oshin, if there was any internal feedback I would have forwarded it to There wasn't. :-(01:22
andre__Nokia, master of silence.01:22
oshinit wasn't broken in 1.101:23
oshinmay be i could flash back and copy the conversation01:23
oshincan i disable smiley in conversations ?01:25
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oshinfound, wouldn't help01:27
oshinI wonder if I could do something around /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui/html01:29
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oshinanyone has the content of that dir from PR 1.1?01:33
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* GAN900 boggles at Mac App store.01:39
* SpeedEvil sighs.01:39
GAN900And so begins the commoditization of OS X software.01:39
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nox-..and soon osx needs to be `jailbroken' too?01:39
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GAN900nox-, Apple Computer, Inc. -> Apple, Inc. was an evil change.01:41
GAN900What's Canonical's cut on the Ubuntu Store?01:42
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DocScrutinizerNokia-N900-02-8:~# ls -l /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui/html/01:51
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1920 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.css01:51
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         5627 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.html01:51
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root        24642 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.js01:51
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         3203 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsSMSConversation.css01:51
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         2494 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsSMSConversation.html01:51
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root        27731 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsSMSConversation.js01:51
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         3090 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsSingleSMS.css01:51
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         2768 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsSingleSMS.html01:51
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root        10184 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsSingleSMS.js01:51
DocScrutinizeroops, this looks quite like spamming now... sorry01:51
oshincan I have that?01:51
oshinyou didn't upgrade?01:51
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oshinwould you tar zcvf /home/user/MyDocs/sendme.tgz /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui | mail ?01:52
oshiner wonder if can pass binary just like that heh01:53
nox-or mime attach...01:54
oshinwell, just no need to create the tgz i copied that from another window and forgot to remove01:56
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DocScrutinizeroshin: pm02:04
oshinDocScrutinizer, thanks.02:04
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DocScrutinizerI hope my pastebomb hasn't nuked the channel permanently :-)02:45
* infobot barks, like a rabid dog.02:45
jpinx-eeepcwhat did you do?02:47
ieatlintyou've scarred us all with your css javascript mess02:47
* SpeedEvil sighs at stupid t-mobile.02:48
SpeedEvilI was trying to debug my pppd - when I realised it wouldn't connect normally.02:48
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pupnikit would be so convenient if my laptop had a decent fm transmitter02:51
pupniki bought an external one but it sucks02:51
jpinx-eeepcanyone know why my n900 has decided it doesn't want to mount my fs.image? mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /home/user/MyDocs/chrootmountpoint/ failed: Invalid argument02:54
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_chunIs there any way to take a picture with the camera via the terminal in maemo5?03:08
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oshinthinking of some small app which launch camera and send xevent for the shutter key03:13
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oshinor just hack fcamera a bit?03:14
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pupnik  wheeeee omap4 dev board now shipping - $17903:18
ds3now go try to buy silicon ;)03:20
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* SpeedEvil is pondering buying a kilo of silicon.03:25
pupnikttp://   "I have been using Nokia N900 as a primary mobile phone for nearly a year now and I am quite happy with it. However, quite recently I’ve also bought the best value-for-money Android 2.1 device you can currenly get..."03:29
pupnik   "I have been using Nokia N900 as a primary mobile phone for nearly a year now and I am quite happy with it. However, quite recently I’ve also bought the best value-for-money Android 2.1 device you can currenly get..."03:29
DocScrutinizerieatlint: yeah, wasn't nice to just annoy you with a ls, while keeping the content for myself03:32
DocScrutinizerwait a minute, I'll paste the full plain text content03:32
oshinsomething's wrong with the matrix03:33
SpeedEviloshin: what are you wanting to do?03:33
oshini saw pupnik deja-vu03:34
jpinx-eeepcis there a way to get full syslog working in maemo -- like debians /var/log/syslog to make debugging easier/possible?03:34
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SpeedEvilapt-get install syslogd03:34
SpeedEvilbuyt it's a bit broken03:34
SpeedEvilyou need to killall -HUP syslogd to get it to write it in /home/user/var/log/syslog03:35
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: :(  I'll give it a whirl - when do I do that killall - every reboot?03:35
SpeedEvilI cheat.03:36
SpeedEvilI stick it in a 'queen beecon'  - that is on the desktop03:36
SpeedEvilIt does mount /home/user/data - a large ext2 and other stuff03:36
SpeedEvilthere is a right way to do this, but I can't be bothered screwing with /etc/03:37
jpinx-eeepcis it documented anywhere?03:37
oshinshould I install some boot menu?03:39
SpeedEviloshin: ?03:39
oshinhmm we have had this conversation.03:39
oshinSpeedEvil, like if my system went into a boot loop, may be some boot menu can help03:39
SpeedEvilI dunno about that.03:39
SpeedEvilI just avoided screwing with it, as the queen beecon runs on desktop coming up.03:40
pupnik    128 GBP!   800x480  etc03:40
oshinwell for any possible accident03:41
oshini should just backup03:41
ieatlintwho named that the "san francisco"?03:42
pupnikthat says some scary things about price competition nokia faces in 201103:43
* oshin goes backup03:43
ieatlintit wouldn't exactly work too well in san francisco without any 3g support :P03:43
SpeedEvilpupnik: yes.03:44
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SpeedEvilHowever - ebay is not a source of pricing.03:45
SpeedEvilAs you can't tell what channels things are coming from.03:45
SpeedEvilCan you order 10 at that price03:45
pupniki think the price direct from orange was 15003:45
nox-that with a contract tho?03:46
pupnikno, unlocked03:46
pupnikoh from orange03:46
* jpinx-eeepc installed queen bee widget thingie ;)03:46
pupniklocked from orange but codes are cheap03:46
nox-i germany the police is going after phone unlocking `services' now... o_O03:47
nox-(as if they dont have more important things to do)03:47
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: seems my pr1.1 syslog works flawlessly logging to /var/log/syslog03:47
DocScrutinizerdunno about pr1.2, had to check, mompls03:48
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: do tell ? :)03:48
DocScrutinizermeh, need to force it into my wlan :-P03:49
SpeedEvilHere I think it tries to log to /home/user before it's mounted03:51
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DocScrutinizermeh, last log is from Oct 12, and logger test does nuttin03:52
DocScrutinizerin /var/log/syslog03:52
nox-need to SIGHUP?03:52
oshinmy head spin, bb03:52
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DocScrutinizeryeah, but I definitely never did, and sighup would change log to /home/var/blah/blub/foo/syslog, according to SpeedEvil - my last logline from 2010-10-12 is in /var/log/syslog though03:53
SpeedEvilDunno why03:54
SpeedEvilI guess it must be an older version of syslog?03:54
DocScrutinizersighup WHAT?03:54
SpeedEvilkillall -HUP syslogd03:54
DocScrutinizermeh, it's not started XP03:55
* DocScrutinizer larts upstart03:55
SpeedEvilI diddn't do anything other than apt-get install syslogd03:55
DocScrutinizerand I can't find sys* in init.d/03:56
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: what's your startscript called?03:56
DocScrutinizeror is that an upstart event script?03:57
SpeedEvilI don't know.03:57
SpeedEvilI haven't done anything.03:57
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# find /etc/init.d /etc/event.d/ -name '*sys*' -o -name '*sys*'04:00
DocScrutinizerwho made /var/log/syslog for me?04:00
SpeedEvills -l /etc/event.d/sysklogd04:01
SpeedEvil-rw-r--r--    1 root     root          419 Aug 17  2009 /etc/event.d/sysklogd04:01
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# cat | grep syslog ; suggests I never installed syslog on the new one04:01
DocScrutinizerthanks, and sorry for pestering04:02
DocScrutinizer19056 root      1620 S    /sbin/syslogd -n ; 19137 root      2820 S    /sbin/klogd -n ; :-D much better04:04
DocScrutinizerOct 12 01:15:27 IroN900 cellmo-watch[894]: Link UP: MCU-SW Ver: V ICPR82_10w08, 25-02-10, RX-51, (c) Nokia04:05
DocScrutinizerOct 21 03:02:49 IroN900 syslogd 1.5.0#5maemo7+0m5: restart.04:05
DocScrutinizerOct 21 03:02:50 IroN900 kernel: klogd 1.5.0#5maemo7+0m5, log source = /proc/kmsg started.04:06
jpinx-eeepcnok - I installed syslogd, mkdir /home/user/var/log . did killall _HUP syslogd, and went to do /etc/init.d/syslogd - but it's not there. What to do?04:06
DocScrutinizerstill /var/log/sayslog04:06
DocScrutinizerjpinx-eeepc: I did apt-get nstall syslogd, no starting, no nothing04:06
DocScrutinizerlogs to /var/log/syslog here04:07
jpinx-eeepcah - let me look thre04:07
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# df -h /var/log/syslog04:08
DocScrutinizerDateisystem           Size  Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf04:08
DocScrutinizerubi0:rootfs           228M  146M   79M  65% /04:08
jpinx-eeepcyep - it's there - thanks guys04:08
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: sure you didn't edit your syslog.conf ?04:08
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DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1278 2009-08-17 12:02 /etc/syslog.conf04:09
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# md5sum /etc/syslog.conf04:10
DocScrutinizer6f616f9a94030b05c84814128c4bbd1e  /etc/syslog.conf04:10
pupnikhave you seen/read much of Bada OS? (samsung)  - it's like zero community in english speaking realm or what04:10
SpeedEvilI know I edeted it, I diddn't think I moved it.04:10
DocScrutinizerit's "a hickup" </quote raster>04:11
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SpeedEvilActually - I probably did.04:11
SpeedEvilAs syslog is on /04:11
SpeedEvilSorrry for the confusion.04:12
DocScrutinizernp, happy to help make it clear04:12
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pupnik"The Wave S8500′s much-hyped 720p HD video recording is great, until the camera app locks up and demands the battery be pulled before you can use the phone again."04:13
DocScrutinizeryeah, probably pkg syslog should depend on pkg logrotate04:13
DocScrutinizerpupnik: hrhr04:14
lcukDocScrutinizer, my stylus - it has a notch running the entire length of it now04:15
lcukbut it inserts/removes itself easier :)04:15
DocScrutinizerlcuk: wow, what a hack04:17
lcuklateral thinking ;)04:18
DocScrutinizermaybe it even feels better now to hold the stylus04:18
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* GAN900 groans05:06
GAN900Good food, good wine.05:06
ieatlinti want some05:07
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GAN900ieatlint, if only we had replicators.05:08
* GAN900 torrents a new Macbook air.05:08
ieatlintwell, i do have a car and a grocery store05:09
ieatlintbut that would involve me putting on pants05:10
* SpeedEvil has about 3 months food, before it gets boring.05:11
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javispedrothis sims game looks beatiful in 800x480 =)05:14
SpeedEvilIs there in principle a way to legitimately buy it without using another device?05:15
javispedronone that I know of.05:15
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javispedro... in fact you could argue there's no legitimate way to even extract the binaries from the device ...05:16
javispedrodepending on your legislation.05:17
pupnik_javispedro: how did you rotate/stretch?05:17
javispedropupnik_: hacking glLoadIdentity to return .. not the identity matrix =)05:17
javispedroit causes some artifacts, though, so I guess I should render at native and rescale, but at least i can see how it would look if someone started doing real commercial stuff for N90005:18
pupnik_start a business05:19
SpeedEvilWhat does the 'emulator' stack look like?05:19
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javispedroSpeedEvil: you mean, a general overview of used/patched components?05:20
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javispedroit is not an emulator at all -- binaries are run as is, with the stock dynamic loader05:20
javispedrothere's just like 11 stub libraries05:20
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SpeedEvilyeah - why I put the quotes in.05:21
javispedromost of which would not actually be needed if this one binary had been built --as-needed05:21
nox-that sounds like some `hacking' job :)05:21
javispedroa big mess of an LD_PRELOAD hack which I'm trying to clean05:21
nox-what was the binary for orgininally?05:21
javispedroand the WebOS' own version of SDL_mixer05:21
rokr1hey is the bug for dns resolution solved05:21
javispedro(compiled frm source)05:21
pupnik_palm pre05:21
rokr1or is there  any work around for dns resolution?05:22
SpeedEvilWRT what?05:22
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rokr1hey is the BUG#995 DNS resolution ignores local domain resloved ??05:33
povbotBug DNS resolution ignores local domain05:33
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rokr1any solutions05:33
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cehtehiirc works for me at least on the n900, does the n770 use this dnsmasq proxy too?05:35
cehtehyou have to tweak the config a little then05:35
cehteh(and no, i didnt read the whole discussion on that bug)05:35
rokr1can u help me with that05:35
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rokr1/etc/resolv.conf has nameserver
cehtehread the dnsmasq manpage.. well first check that the n770 uses that actually05:36
rokr1and /var/run/resolv.conf.wlan005:37
rokr1i have N90005:37
rokr1then i have to write a script when wlan0 or gprs0 or tap0 is up05:38
cehtehsee comment #305:39
rokr1then replace in /etc/resolv.conf to nameserver 192.168.x.x05:39
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rokr1i dont have a domain name05:40
cehtehactually thats what i've changed :)05:40
rokr1i have tomato05:40
cehteheh so whats your proble then? the bug talks about that probelm05:40
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TermanaN900good morning07:03
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orospakrwhat's the story on getting evince (or a similar PDF reader that is better than the very limited Osso one) running? at first glance it appears to be only in extras-devel for freemantle, which seems a little hairy to install (quite a lot of dependencies at first glance).07:06
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TermanaN900orospakr, how is 4mb for the download and 10mb for the storage of the dependencies for evince really that big of a deal?07:10
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orospakrTermanaN900, oh, just worried about replacing too much of the stable stuff.  I only looked at the deps briefly (also tried loading the debs directly with dpkg), didn't actually get a package upgrade proposal out of apt.07:11
orospakrIs that known to work without making too much of a mess?07:11
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TermanaN900orospakr, should only install some new packages, it doesn't want to upgrade any existing ones for me07:14
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orospakrTermanaN900, hm, so, I've done so, and the result is:
orospakrwait, actually.07:35
orospakrI might have mucked up the repository settings. I let application manager UI do the updates, and it didn't warn me of 404 errors.07:35
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orospakryup, that was it. here goes.07:40
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pupnikomap4 dev boards shipping in mid-november07:57
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pebhi folks ..09:21
pebwhat's the official name for the USB port on the N900? Micro USB?09:22
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pebthanks johnx, I've just lost my USB cable and need now to buy a bunch of new ones :-(09:24
johnxyup. all you should need to know is micro usb09:25
Appiahmicro b09:29
RobbieThe1stEbay. You can get them for $1 or so09:29
asjif you use it for charging thought...09:29
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pebCharging + Data transfer ... I need 2 for the cars, one for the bag and one at home ... I'll check eBay for reasonable offers.. Thanks so far!09:30
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Appiah"Nokia Connectivity Cable CA-101" is the name of the cable you get with the n90009:30
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AppiahI tried to order some from dealextreme but I've been waiting for 3 months now :D09:31
ieatlinti don't recall the n900 including a microusb cable09:31
RobbieThe1stIt does09:32
rasteri do09:32
rastergood thing that09:32
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Appiahdidnt you get a usb  cable with your n900 ieatlint ?09:32
ieatlinti must be wrong then09:32
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rasterotherwise i'd have a hard time charging it unless i insisted on using the damned wallcharger all the time :)09:32
RobbieThe1stNote: if you try to use a micro-usb cable with an ipod or other non-standard charger, you have to short the middle-two pins together09:32
RobbieThe1stOr, slice the cable open and solder/connect the white/green wires. Red and black are your power09:33
ieatlinti don't recall it coming with one at all, but it's more likely i'm wrong than my box was missing one it seems09:33
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Appiahthought apple had their own strange interface , not micro-usb09:34
Appiahbut then again , I never owned a apple product09:34
RobbieThe1stNo, I mean the charging bricks that have a USB port on them09:34
RobbieThe1styou use your Apple connector > usb cable with it09:34
rasterapple always loved custom connectors09:35
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RobbieThe1stFortunately, Nokia -doesn't-09:35
* raster gives nokia a little pat09:36
TermanaN900raster, they need all the pats they can get09:39
rasterwell with all the hate @ symbian09:40
rasterand doom and gloom talk09:40
rasteri think so09:40
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rastertho nokia didnt handle the maemo -> meego transition as well as it should have09:40
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Appiahraster: really? what happend?09:41
rasterwell meego got a nice big splash09:41
johnxand yet, they've handled it better than just about any other purveyor of mobile linux devices09:41
rasterbut the image was that maemo was abandoned09:41
rasterand left to fend for itself09:41
Appiahwhos image ?09:41
rasterall things are relative09:41
rasterAppiah:  nokia's09:42
rasterthey have since cleared it up09:42
Appiahso nokias image was that maemo was abandoned?09:42
rasterenough people asked09:42
raster"so what about my n900 i just bought? what about maemo? now youa re doing a new linux os that is built on a different packager, different core, etc. etc.?"09:43
rasterwith no answer for quite a while as i recall09:43
rasteri heard that one asked or questions to that effect a fair bit09:43
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rmrfchikthere are a lot of answers on t.m.o... like "shut up, see fig.1"09:44
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rasteras i said09:46
rasterwasnt handled as well as it should have been :)09:46
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johnxI'll give them a B rating for this transition09:46
rasterif it was, then there wouldnt have been an obvious "yes we will transition maemo to meego and support the product we just released with os releases and updates moving it along to meego"09:47
johnxwaaay up from the C- rating for the N8x0 to N900 transition09:47
rasterlast i recall the word was "n900 is nto supported for meego"09:47
rasternot officially09:47
Appiahcan you name a transition you gave A+ ?09:47
rasterits simply the dev platform for meego (unofficial support)09:47
johnxAppiah, from a purveyor of mobile Linux devices? no09:47
rasterunless that changed?09:47
rmrfchikraster: I heard this is because of some kind of release politic. No announces, No comments09:47
rasterrmrfchik:  yeah. thats just all i'm saying09:48
rasterit left a bit of a hole09:48
rasteri know why they do it09:48
rasternothing new industry-wise09:48
Stskeepsraster: as in that you can't call nokia care, but resources are being paid for09:48
johnxAppiah, actually, N800 to N810 transition was an A- or A09:49
rasterStskeeps: the picture is clearer now - but at the time no one even knew that therw would be ANY resources09:49
raster(at the time meego was announced)09:49
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johnxreleasing for the N800 as soon as it was available at all would have gotten them the coveted A+09:49
Appiahjohnx: but that was till maemo -> maemo ?09:49
Stskeepsraster: i can't recall when n900 was marked as a reference device though09:49
rmrfchikwell, I can't say picture is clear now09:50
rasterStskeeps: and i'd say still "not handled as well as it should have been" because "as well as it should have been" would have been full meego support for the n900 (nokia care and all) :)09:50
johnxAppiah, yeah. they handled the easy, no-op transition without too much problem :)09:50
rmrfchikmeego on n900 is still under question as nokia said "multiboot is only for developers"09:50
rasterStskeeps: i rememebr hearing about it a while after the meego announce09:50
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rasterjust saying09:51
rasterit could have been handled better09:51
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Stskeepsrmrfchik: well, a regular consumer wouldn't want to flash u-boot..09:51
rastersomething to learn from i guess09:51
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rmrfchikStskeeps: customers of n900 aren't regular ;)09:51
ebzzryHi! What's the URL containing information on how to add the Fremantle SDK repo?09:51
rmrfchikthey all are geeks and freaks09:51
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Stskeepsraster: i'm maintainer of the nokia n900 hardware adaptation now and i can only say that a large bunch of resources are going into the n900 effort :)09:52
johnxAppiah, don't you want to hear who got an F?09:53
Appiahoooh please tell!09:53
Stskeepsjohnx: Mer to MeeGo?09:53
meceMohammadAG51, ping09:53
rasterStskeeps: i don't doubt you :) it could 1. have been made clear onthe day of the meego announce that this was going to happen, and 2. full support - not just "resources" would be better. :)09:53
Stskeepsraster: i'm happy i don't have to go through bluetooth certification or other wtfs.09:54
Stskeepsso in that regard, productization is good it's not happening09:54
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Stskeepsit would delay the effort immensely09:54
johnxStskeeps, Sharp for closing down the SL-5x00 forums in the USA without telling anyone, right around when they launched the Cxx0 series in Japan09:54
Stskeepsjohnx: heh09:54
johnxhype about new series, questions about device transition -> forum closed with no warning09:55
rasterStskeeps:  sure. shortcut there :)09:55
rasterjohnx: thats definitely not good (tm)09:56
johnxSharp was so (*#$ing bad at that stuff09:56
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johnxthey had miles and miles of goodwill, a dedicated community with a good amount of devs, and they just kept making bad decision after bad decision09:57
rasterthe zaurus just died a horrible death outside japan about then09:59
rasterand eventually in japan too09:59
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pebRaster, I also have a C3200 still around here @my Desk ...10:01
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johnxand yet, they started out with Qt, which is where we're headed back to :)10:02
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rasterpeb: i had an c400.. until i moved to korea. it finally hit the dumpster then10:06
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TermanaN900The Zaurus CL-3200 (and the other two models that are the same) - the one and only BSD handheld10:08
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TermanaN900err, open bsd handheld I should say I guess10:09
johnxI was interested, but they didn't get boot from SD working for a long time (ever?) and I have a C1000 ...10:09
johnxat least there isn't quite the same amount of distro fragmentation with Nokia's hardware vs Sharp's10:10
johnxI take that as a hugely good sign10:10
TermanaN900Since there was the sidekick 09 model and XNU has a little bit of BSD in it for networking and file systems and some other things10:10
TermanaN900johnx, well I don't know how bad it is for sharp's but we have some distro fragmentation10:11
johnxTermanaN900, we have nothing in comparison10:11
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TermanaN900johnx, Maemo, MeeGo, Gentoo, Debian10:11
johnxhow many people are using alternative distros as their primary OS? less than 5%?10:12
TermanaN900NITdroid? But that's not really a linux distro10:12
johnxPeople using MeeGo is what we *want* :P10:12
johnxso it doesn't count10:12
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TermanaN900johnx, heh :p10:12
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johnxthere were maybe 3 or 4 fairly widely used non-package compatible 'ROMs' for the Zaurus at the worst10:13
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johnxwith some ROMs being available for some devices and not others10:13
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johnxand *that* is why I thought long and hard before pushing ahead with the debian-for-NIT, and then Mer10:14
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johnxon the N900, the alternate distros are really more like an outlet for people's hacking energy than competition with Maemo10:15
TermanaN900johnx, oh I forgot Ubuntu10:16
TermanaN900johnx, but I disagree with that10:16
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hahlohow well debian works in n900? can one make calls? what about battery life?10:16
TermanaN900johnx, and SHR10:17
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johnxhahlo, kinda, no and not so good, IIRC10:17
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johnxI worked on Debian for the N800, not the N90010:17
TermanaN900johnx, people using MeeGo (really none at the moment full time), Gentoo and SHR are using it as a maemo competitor10:17
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johnxTermanaN900, Gentoo users don't count10:17
TermanaN900johnx, nasty :p10:18
johnxthey're already predisposed to not like nice comfy GUI environments10:18
johnxthat's why I said it's a healthy outlet10:18
johnxthey *want* to be at the command line, hacking things, tweaking other things10:18
hahlodebian  is active developed for n900?10:19
johnxthat was almost certainly their intention when they bought this thing in the first place10:19
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TermanaN900hahlo, what is actively developed? Everything works in Debian now10:20
johnxseriously, power savings and phone calls even?10:21
* johnx is not with the times it seems10:21
TermanaN900johnx, phone calls will. power savings should as well, but i don't think with the lock switch10:21
TermanaN900you have to wait for X to timeout the display10:22
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pebTermanaN900, where's debian4N900 -- do you have the URL handy for me? I'd like to take a look ...10:23
RST38hmoo johnx10:23
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RST38hjohnx: you must have a PIN-less SIM card for now (phone stuff in Meego)10:24
TermanaN900GSM is incorrectly marked not working10:24
rmrfchikwho said zaurus?10:24
TermanaN900All you need to do is build the latest version of ofono and use that10:24
rmrfchikzaurus FTW! :)10:24
johnxrmrfchik, me. :D wouldn't an SL-5500 phone be awesome?10:25
johnxTermanaN900, I must say I'm impressed. I didn't except it to get this far actually ...10:25
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ebzzryHow I can I see what packages are available in the fremantle/sdk repository?10:25
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* rmrfchik used 86010:25
johnxah, I had a C1000 as well10:25
johnxsomehow I kinda liked the SL-5500 better for a couple things10:26
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ds3I wish the SL-6000 was more available10:33
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johnxI wish for a pony, and a rocket and an SL-5500 with a 800x480 screen and an OMAP4 and a GSM modem, and a nice beefy battery10:35
johnxI'd be willing to lose the stylus silo and CF slot in return10:35
RST38h...and all you are gonna get is a MacBook Air?10:35
TermanaN900RST38h, don't wish that on anyone10:35
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johnxRST38h, I guess I could get work to get me one next year :/10:36
johnxcurrent white macbook is holding up well enough10:36
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JaffaMorning, all10:52
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X-FadeMorning Jaffa.10:53
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crashanddielooks like we're in for some turbulance10:54
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DocScrutinizer51crashanddie: hmm? netsplits?11:00
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Stskeepswhat was it that's driving the keyboard backlight again?11:00
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Stskeepsi mean kernel driver11:00
Stskeeps / device11:00
crashanddieDocScrutinizer and Stskeeps: and old one, but still good to read:
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sejois this the correct image to flash my n900? RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin11:05
sejoLive in Europe11:05
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jacekowskisejo: any specific country?11:08
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crashanddiehahaha, belgium.11:12
sejoIf i backup to the ext card... are my sms's pictures etc included?11:12
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sejocrashanddie: I like it here :p11:12
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sejobest beer11:12
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crashanddiehow are you enjoying your government? Do you have one?11:13
crashanddieFYI: I have a belgian passport, I just think the country is bloody ridiculous.11:13
sejocrashanddie: government sucks bet less than others imho11:14
DocScrutinizer51wtf? who ever enjoys gvmt??11:14
crashanddiesejo, lol?11:14
sejocrashanddie: where do you live?11:14
johnxcrashanddie, what's funny is that you get on other peoples' case for trolling ... and now you've started a political debate. fantastic ...11:14
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rmrfchikDocScrutinizer51: china ppl does11:15
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TermanaN900crashanddie, what IS your citizenship status?11:15
rmrfchikand north korean11:15
crashanddieTermanaN900, triple citizenship11:15
DocScrutinizer51oh yeah I bet they do11:15
sejothat's ridiculous11:15
crashanddieTermanaN900, though, not sure each country is aware i went with another.11:15
sejowhy 3 citizenships?11:15
crashanddiecuz I can?11:15
Corsacjust in case11:15
Corsaca backup11:15
crashanddiehaving 3 passports is a heckuvalot better than 111:15
Corsacit's a raid1 citizenship11:15
sejoto be able to moe to one of three depending the advantages and having no connection whatsoever?11:15
Corsacwith one hotspare11:15
crashanddieI can go to israel and iran on the same day, and never be annoyed.11:16
TermanaN900crashanddie, france, australian and belgium?11:16
johnxcrashanddie, if you found the secret to non-annoying air travel, I'd like to hear it11:16
johnxbut I doubt it has much to do with which passport you're carrying ...11:17
crashanddiejohnx, lol :D11:17
crashanddiejohnx, well, not "on the same day"11:17
crashanddiebut you know what I mean11:17
sejoyou have iran israel and belgian passport?11:17
sejodid you ever live in belgium?11:17
crashanddienope to iran/israeli passports11:18
crashanddiebut yeah, I lived in Belgium for 14 years11:18
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crashanddiejohnx, I'm allowed to laugh at a country's government, considering I was born there. Is that trolling?11:19
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johnxtrolling is saying something you know will stir everyone up, and not produce a terribly useful discussion11:19
johnxand I've seen you get on people for less11:20
sejocrashanddie: what are your other passports?11:20
crashanddiesejo, none of your business11:20
crashanddiebut a quick google should give you one, at least11:20
sejoyeah thought so11:20
sejonot going to google you11:20
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sejoyou know what you lived here 14 years... whenever you get back... then complain... until than without the guts of saying what government isn't ridiculous let me be in peace11:21
sejosick of people being the allknowing beings without having a clue of the real problems11:22
crashanddiedude, i probably know more about the problems in your own goddamn country than yourself11:22
crashanddieare you flemish or walloon?11:22
sejoI've lived here 32 years11:23
RST38hjohnx: I am sure crashanddie will change his opinion once all three governments decide to tax him11:23
sejoin brussels and flannders11:23
sejoworked 2 years in luxembourg11:23
johnxcrashanddie, now that's trolling11:23
sejoI'm flemish11:23
crashanddiejohnx, stfu11:23
johnxcrashanddie, make me11:23
sejoyou are probably able to solve all the problems!11:23
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sejogod damned why don't they make people do an exam before allowing them on the internet11:24
crashanddieif you're flemish, you probably consider the walloons to be lazy sods who need to stop getting help from the government, because stupid flemish politicians have been trying to get the whole north to believe they're paying too much for the south. If you're a walloon, you basically have no clue, you don't understand why there are flemish people who come to the south to work, when you're not able to find a job yourself.11:24
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sejocrashanddie: well that's a stereotype11:25
RST38hjohnx: sorry, but what are these two flemish guys arguing about?11:25
crashanddiewell, yeah11:25
TermanaN900I can smell it11:25
crashanddieRST38h, belgian policitics11:25
crashanddieerr, politics11:25
TermanaN900DocScrutinizer51, can you smell it?11:25
RST38hbelgian? what is belgia? =)11:25
crashanddieRST38h, same as glaswegia :)11:25
sejoalknowing being I leave the floor to you!11:26
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johnxRST38h, heh. I think one is against all government and one just got tricked into arguing with the other one :)11:26
RST38hcrashanddie: they all sound like venerial diseases to me11:26
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RST38h(Now, gentlemen, THAT is trolling. And what you have just done was unprofessional flaming =))11:27
RST38hjohnx: OMG, are they going to have a fight-to-the-death?11:27
johnxRST38h, two men enter, one man leaves! two men enter, one man leaves!11:28
ieatlinti'm pretty sure belgians are too busy trolling themselves to do it to others on irc11:28
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RST38hjohnx: I just remembered: Poirot was a belgian!11:29
TermanaDesireN900 why! Why do you go flat on me :p11:29
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RST38hjohnx: Now, I wonder if PBS is a belgian tv channel, given how much Poirot they show!11:30
crashanddiesejo, truth is, neither side is right. I'm flemish, most of my family is flemish, but I grew up/went to school in walloon territory/schools. Let's not forget that the country's moto is "L'Union fait la force", and for nearly 150 years, the walloon had the biggest production, and sent money over to flanders in order to keep them afloat, considering their agricultural production was moot. Then the flemish finally discovered th11:30
crashanddiee service industry (and antwerp as a haven for international business), so both sides made pretty much the same amount of money. For the past 30 years, the walloon side has seen a massive economy collapse (due to the mines and shit going down) which means the flemish all of a sudden feel they're paying too much, even though they've only been paying for 30 years when they've been on the receiving end for 150 years.11:30
crashanddieDocScrutinizer, I'm done, you can deop now.11:30
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: still looking for that LCD backlite thing?11:38
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: keyboard backlight11:38
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DocScrutinizerthat's controlled via LP552311:39
DocScrutinizer6 LEDs11:41
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DocScrutinizerand MCE abuses one of the 3 engines exclusively fulltime, just to implement a silly 200ms ramp that could be done more easily with less code in sw-only11:43
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thpX-Fade: who can set up a -> redirect? i always find myself typing the former ;)11:46
johnxthp, you can with a quick hack to /etc/hosts and a local web server :D11:47
thpjohnx: and have everyone complaining why i send out fake urls that don't work at their end? ;)11:47
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X-Fadethp: Hehe, use your awesome bar more then ;)11:48
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* DocScrutinizer suggests bookmarks, or webshortcuts ala Konqueror11:48
johnxthp, it's worked perfectly well for me all these years :)11:49
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thpit would take ~ 10 minutes and make me soo happy. pretty please?11:49
DocScrutinizerthp: setting up a subdomain is more than 10 min11:50
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alteregoSub-domain and vhost redirect11:50
X-FadeNeed to request the host first then, that is a bit of a pain.11:50
thpDocScrutinizer: adding a dns entry and telling the web server to "Redirect permanent /" (in apache speak)?11:51
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DocScrutinizerset up a proper service handler (if you don't have a proper browser like Konqueror that supports shortcuts for same result)11:54
DocScrutinizerlike pmo:/path/to/package11:54
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thpand while we are at requesting improvements to the URL interface, Maemo bug 7107 is still open, too :p11:55
povbotBug Add[bug-id] redirection11:55
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DocScrutinizermeh, I bet that's a WONTFIX11:56
thpDocScrutinizer: it's not just about me and my browser. i'd like to type urls in IMs and (for example) on IRC11:56
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crashanddiecouldn't povbot tell the bug status in the IRC message?12:04
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crashanddie"Moscow will open its first cemetery for the elite in almost 250 years, a popular newspaper reported on Wednesday, to make sure Russia's high mortality rate doesn't deprive the city's most famous residents of a final resting place."12:06
dnearythp, I bet you could write a ModRewrite rule that would do that for you12:06
johnxdneary, I think he has an idea for the rule, but not access to the server :)12:07
thpexactly :p12:07
dnearyjohnx, Perhaps writing the rule in a Bugzilla comment & pinging amigadave would help get the problem solved? :)12:07
johnxthp, dneary had an idea. let me tell you about it ... :)12:08
thpdneary, johnx: the rule is actually in the bug report already ;)12:08
thpsomething along the lines of RewriteRule ^/(\d+) /show_bug.cgi?id=$1 should do the trick12:09
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thpamigadave: ping! please have a look at maemo bug 7107 when you've got some time - thank :)12:11
povbotBug Add[bug-id] redirection12:11
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X-Fadethp: you don't look at that bug status often, now do you? :)12:12
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thpX-Fade: just saw that now. thanks :)12:13
dnearythp, Really? Didn't see it12:15
dnearythp, You know mod_rewrite regex foo better than me.12:15
dnearyI was suggesting([0-9]+)12:15
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thpdneary: it's actually untested, so yours might work and mine might not :p i'm kinda confused by all those regex dialects/extensions myself :)12:20
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dnearythp, It would need to be RewriteRule ^/(\d+)$ /show_bug.cgi?id=$1 [L] I think12:20
amigadavethp, dneary: hopefully, most of the begzilla enhancement requests should get worked on after bugzilla 3.4 is rolled out12:20
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amigadavewhich is real soon now :)12:21
dnearythp, I found docs. mod_rewrite supports Perl regular expressions (so \d is OK)12:21
dnearyamigadave, Cool12:21
RST38hmoo wazd12:21
dnearyamigadave, Since this is completely independent of Bugzilla configuration & versions, and only affects Apache config, any chance it could get done sooner?12:22
dnearyamigadave, It's literally a one-line config change, which will not affect any existing users12:22
amigadavedneary: quite possibly, but ferenc is the person to ask12:22
X-FadeAlready assigned it to him.12:22
amigadavei do not have any access to :)12:22
dnearyamigadave, How're you going to push bz 3.4 then?12:24
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amigadavedneary: ferenc is sorting that, i have merely transferred the customizations12:24
X-FadeIt just needs to be copied from test. Ferenc is currently on the move, but it can probably be done at the beginning of next week.12:25
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wazdRST38h: heya12:40
* wazd will definitely kick Johnny Ive someday12:41
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RST38hwazd: But then you should start by designing toilet bowls =)12:59
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RST38hwazd: Ok, Ive continues designing toilet bowls, to be fair12:59
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lcuktoilet bowl design is hard - not such for the required shape, but the attachments!13:01
lcukerrr toilet seats *13:01
SpeedEvilYeah - hooking on the robot arms is an ergonomics nightmare.13:02
wazdRST38h: I don't really care about his designs, It's really presonal thing for everyone, but the way he behaves13:02
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wazdRST38h: like "look at me, I'm such a fragile artist"13:03
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sejois there a date yet for PR1.3?13:10
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infobotSTILL a ban'able subject, more than ever13:11
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rmrfchiksejo: you shouldn't use PR1.3. Use "release after 1.2" or "Last Hope Release" or "dying platform release"13:19
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sejobut I can't add sharing accounts (fails with Internal error.)13:19
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sejovery sad :/13:21
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VladNistor-ofjust use pr1.2.5 :)13:33
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sejoit's a dbus error?13:36
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RST38hwazd: If you were designing things made of porcelain for the half of your life, you would be fragile too!13:55
sejosomeone knows how to clear the sharing account data?13:56
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jarkkomhmm interesting, symbian^4 got scrapped14:00
mgedminjarkkom, url?14:01
Noma_ in Finnish14:01
Noma_google translate helps14:01
infobotPR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject14:02
RST38hPR1.5 is still safe though14:03
DocScrutinizer51RST38h: ask infobot!14:04
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Myrttithat's a bit overexaggaration of the press release they gave out14:08
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RST38h"Nokia said it plans to cut up 1,800 jobs and simplify its production organization for Symbian smartphones. "14:14
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StskeepsRST38h: read: fire most of symbian guys?14:15
RST38h1800 Symbian people!14:15
Myrtti750-850 in Finland14:15
RST38hStskeeps: That is how I read it as well. But it does not have to mean that.14:15
Surfamost, not really most14:17
Surfaquite significant share of them, but not even majority14:17
Surfaor even near14:17
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sivangRST38h: doesn't it make sense if they move more power to the linux stack?14:25
sivangwork power, that is14:25
sivangand hi all, btw :)14:25
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RST38hsivang: Very few corporate actions make sense to normal people14:26
sivangI guess :)14:26
RST38hsivang: And yes, you should probably stop reading Slashdot :)14:27
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sivangRST38h: hehe, I never really followed it too much14:27
RST38hOr one day, you will respond almost entirely with "imagine a beowulf cluster of these" and "in soviet russia..."14:27
sivangRST38h: being mocked for not doing so many times, "you call yourself open sourcerer and you don't follow slashdot?"14:27
sivangis it deployed anywhere?14:28
RST38hCalling onseself "open sourcerer" almost like calling oneself "batman" or "superman" =)14:28
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chibi-taigahe guys isl there a way to upgdate the flash player of n90014:37
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merlin1991chibi-taiga, no14:39
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RST38hMiddle of this thread, sort answer is a "no"14:39
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chibi-taigaso its stuck with current flash player?14:42
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BCMMisn't there some hack to make flash mis-report it's version?14:57
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BCMM(since a lot of stuff is actually flash 9 compatible, but uses a stupid flash-detection script)14:57
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psycho_oreoshex editing the bin? :)14:57
keriothere was something14:58
keriothat patched the binary, yeah14:58
BCMMare they still selling the n900?14:59
BCMMand do they still mention facebook stuff in marketing material?14:59
BCMMcause facebook videos officially do not work now14:59
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RST38h"No need to wait for Symbian^4  the improvements we were planning for Symbian^4 will be introduced as and when they become available. In fact, we will no longer be talking about Symbian^3 or Symbian^4 at all  it will be one constantly evolving and constantly improving platform."15:04
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hahloRST38h: android or symbian, which is worst?15:08
kerioand android sucks15:08
Noma_worst is winmo...15:08
* mgedmin sjudders15:09
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RST38hhahlo: Windows Phone.15:11
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RST38hSymbian isn't really that bad, just stagnant, and bloggers/fanboys hate that15:12
mgedminI dunno15:12
mgedminto me it felt like a step back from Series 40 (!)15:12
hahloRST38h: is it better than android in memory consumption?15:12
mgedminmaybe I was comparing early S60 phones with polished N-th generation S40?15:13
Cegyhi, does anyone know or even how to fix this problem "make: *** /usr/src/kernel-2.6.28/: No such file or directory." ?15:13
psycho_oreosif you like to be tamed like a puppy then use symbian15:13
psycho_oreosCegy, missing kernel source15:13
Cegyok... where would i download it from (linux n00b)15:14
psycho_oreosfrom the maemo repo, apt-get source linux-kernel iirc15:14
RST38hhahlo: How would I know? Never had an Android phone15:15
Cegyunable to find it15:15
psycho_oreosuse apt-cache to find the correct name of the package15:15
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RST38hmgedmin: You were probably unlucky to get one of these unpolished late N-series phones15:16
RST38hmgedmin: was it N97 by any chance?15:16
Cegyi've used the gui (py) installer for the sdk so it can be installed easyer for myself15:16
mgedminI didn't _get_ one15:16
mgedminI looked at the ones my coworkers got (6120 classic? and E75, iirc?)15:17
RST38hE75 was pretty bad15:17
RST38hFirmware-wise, I mean15:17
Cegypsycho_oreos: apt-cache showsrc linux-kernel15:17
CegyW: Unable to locate package linux-kernel15:17
CegyN: No packages found15:17
mgedminnot 7515:18
RST38hmgedmin: Try 5800 with the latest firmware version. Aside from being "boring", it is pretty good15:18
mgedminit was E6515:18
mgedminI'm quite happy with my 6600 slide15:18
psycho_oreosCegy, apt-get source kernel15:18
RST38hNevr used E6515:18
Cegynope, E: Unable to find a source package for kernel15:19
mgedminit was _horrrrrrrible_15:19
sx0ni am quite happy with my n8.15:19
psycho_oreosCegy, you probably haven't updated your repo cache15:19
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Cegyhow would i do that ?15:19
mgedminmy first nokia was a 612515:19
RST38hS40 is pretty horrible too, the ones I tried anyway15:19
psycho_oreosapt-get update15:20
psycho_oreoser add fakeroot in front15:20
RST38hSlow, garish colors, looks like lobotomized S60 UI15:20
Cegyfakeroot didn't work so i did sudo am sure that will do the same as it updaing the list from the looks of it15:21
mgedminI chose S40 because S60 was slower15:21
mgedminflickery redrawing, I mean OMG15:21
Cegymaybe i don't have the repo configed if so which website would i get this info from psycho_oreos ?15:22
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Cegyi can't see any info about it plus i did fellow it15:25
psycho_oreosprobably best to start from scratch following that link15:25
lcukmgedmin, my son has an X3 - it works really well and responds15:26
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lcukthe blue nail woman (who destroyed the n8) did the same on the X3-2 and it kept up really well!15:26
Cegywell i used the ps gui and ticked every option so if there is a problem its down to nokia :S15:26
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SpeedEvilBlue nail woman?15:28
RST38hmgedmin: all this sounds like one should make a choice based on the particular phone model rather than platform15:28
Cegyi guess its this15:29
RST38hmgedmin: I know that S60 phones all behave differently. Now you are saying there *are* not-slow S40 phones15:29
psycho_oreosit is actually well noted that using the python installer one may encounter issues if their base distro isn't debian15:29
lcukSpeedEvil, there was a woman demonstrator at the nokia world event, she had blue nails and was MUCH faster at using her phone than anyone15:30
lcukshe tried to use the n8 like she used other symbian phones (from the looks of it) and it failed drastically because of over input15:31
lcukthere another video of her using other device and it handled it superbly15:31
lcukfingers almost a blur!15:31
* lcuk would hire her on the testing team15:31
Myrttihm, perhaps I should get some blue nailpolish15:31
SpeedEvilThis is what you get when you only give your secetary a phone to take letters with.15:32
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SpeedEvilI'm surprised at how fast I got on the n900 keyboard.15:34
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mgedminher nails were actually red, but they moved so fast they got blue-shifted15:35
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Cegypsycho_oreos i add the repo and now the file is downloading is there anything else i would need to do once its done ?15:36
psycho_oreosCegy, probably make sure that its in the correct directory15:36
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sx0nafaik there was not blue nail presenter at the fairs. it might have been 3vil plan.15:36
Cegyand the correct is usr/src/ isn't it ?15:36
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Cegycorrect folder*315:37
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Cegydone that i still get the same kind of error in scratchbox15:39
Cegymake: *** /usr/src/kernel-2.6.28/: No such file or directory.  Stop.15:39
Cegymake: *** [build] Error 215:39
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RST38hMyrtti: Yes, but have you got a Nokia phone to demo? :)15:45
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MyrttiRST38h: quit being so grumpy.15:58
* RST38h drinks some coolaid, turns all rainbowy15:59
javispedroRST38h: bought Apple stock recently?15:59
RST38hmoorning javispedro15:59
RST38hjavispedro: naah, not into stocks, too grumpy for that15:59
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SpeedEvilI quite like stocks.16:02
* SpeedEvil is boiling some chicken bones.16:03
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* Myrtti just made some tom yum gai, with nice sticken stock16:06
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SpeedEvilyou boil sticks to make that?16:12
SpeedEvilSounds economical.16:12
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wazdFirst MeeGo device will be a 2011 event16:13
javispedrothis gitorious thing... really needs a bugtracker16:13
* javispedro should have gone github instead16:13
javispedrowazd: The writing is on the wall16:13
wazdjavispedro: well, that's what Engadget says :)16:14
MyrttiSpeedEvil: sticks and leaves16:14
javispedrowazd: yes, and I think it's true.16:14
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wazdjavispedro: conference with paper prototypes would be great :D16:15
javispedrowazd: who knows, maybe they bring in the aava moorestowns (or conveniently dual-booting n900s) =)16:16
RST38hwazd,javispedro: By first Meego device, do they mean Harmattan one or a proper Meego?16:16
wazdRST38h: who knows :)16:16
RST38hIS there going to be a Harmattan device now?16:17
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javispedroRST38h: well, lemmings believe "proper Meego" so that they can say "n900+1 is still coming before end of the year"16:17
javispedrobut I DO remember that, from a Nokia PoV, Harmattan _is_ Meego.16:18
javispedroso, first Meego device is N900+1.16:18
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javispedroso, it is not coming until 2011 =)16:18
javispedronice logic, eh?16:18
X-FadeDepends on who you ask ;)16:18
X-FadeMarketing or people with technical knowledge..16:19
javispedroX-Fade: touché, but it is higher levels of (mis)management were talking about here =)16:19
javispedroso, Marketing :)16:19
X-FadeYou won't see me calling Harmattan MeeGo at least.16:20
* javispedro will call it "maemo" :P16:20
X-FadeMaemo 6 ;)16:21
javispedrofor added confusion16:21
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X-FadeWell it has all the new meego qt stuff and debian roots, what's not to like :)16:22
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RST38hjavispedro: I do not care what lemmings think\16:25
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RST38hX-Fade: The real question is, if Nokia calls Harmattan "Meego" to the press, what will Intel do, after claiming "no Meego handsets until 2011"?16:26
javispedroRST38h: you assume the N900+1 is not being delayed =)16:26
X-FadeRST38h: I don't know, glad I don't have to deal with that.16:27
RST38hX-Fade: And if Nokia digs out the corpse of Maemo (as a trademark for Harmattan), what the community will do (that should be fun to watch)16:27
alteregoping GAN90016:28
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* LjL is so confused about all these things :( what is Harmattan exactly?16:35
RST38hLjL: harmattan is the next generation of Maemo, aka Maemo616:36
RST38hLjL: It is supposed to be based on Debian (with .debs for packaging) but have Qt-based UI16:36
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pupnik   Wall Mounted Motherboard (great minds...)16:38
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javispedroApple has already removed Flash from OS X Lion, and is planning to do so with Java too.16:44
StskeepsWar Has Begun16:44
javispedroNot only removed: Safari will not even prompt to install it; a simple "Missing Plugin" message appears. So the user is forced to type and go hunt for it.16:46
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RST38hjavispedro: I can only applaud about that16:48
RST38hjavispedro: Eagerly waiting for Oracle terminating support for Java on Windows16:49
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jaskawell, not that it has any real use beyond server stuff these days :)16:50
Corsacwell, java support in OSX was ridiculous, at least16:50
jaskayeah.. they lagged 1.6 support for ages16:50
Corsacsecurity updates months and months later16:50
javispedroRST38h: I am worried that Jobs feel he already has enough power and/or market quote to start making the bold moves16:51
jaskaobjc is pretty damn ugly too :)16:51
X-FadeWell I guess it is more against Android than against Sun, but hey.16:51
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RST38hjavispedro: I wouldn't worry about what Jobs feels :)16:58
RST38hjavispedro: "An elephant consumes 300kg of bananas a day. If you LET HIM."16:58
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jaskanom nom nom16:59
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khertan_900Hi all !17:48
khertan_900x-fade: ping ?17:49
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X-Fadekhertan_900: pong17:50
khertan_900i bother you about
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khertan_900is there a reason to not be listed in the repository17:51
khertan_900i didn t see why it s not listed17:51
khertan_900while it s really in the repositorty17:51
khertan_900(ps : i m testing a new tool to package :) )17:51
khertan_900:) sorry i m in the subway17:53
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X-Fadekhertan_900: patience grasshopper.17:54
khertan_900i just test as webchat didn t notice you when disconnected :)17:56
X-Fade39-2 is in the repo, just hasn't been imported yet.17:58
khertan_900yep it s in the repo17:58
khertan_900it s more why it s not listed in the release section of the ui :)17:59
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X-FadeBecause it has not been imported yet.17:59
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khertan_90039-1 was upload this morning18:00
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khertan_900i ask because as it s a new packaging tool that i m writing maybe i made some errors :)18:01
X-Fadekhertan_900: Maintainer is not very descriptive ;)18:02
X-FadeMaintainer: UNKNOWN <UNKNOWN>18:02
GAN900X-Fade, fix the cloaks. :P18:02
javispedroah, yes :)18:03
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X-FadeGAN900: Sorry low prio :) All kinds of issues I needed to attend to first.18:03
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khertan_900x-fade: indeed ... thx18:04
X-Fadekhertan_900: But I'll check if I can find something else.18:05
GAN900It's amazing to me that after five years Nokia still doesn't realize how much the COMPLETE LACK of platform continuity hurts the platform. . . .18:05
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javispedroIn fact, expect the switch to E-17 any time soon!18:07
javispedroor Windows Phone 7!18:07
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khertan_900GAN900: i think this the reason of Qt :)18:07
khertan_900gan900: abstract pateform focus on framework18:08
GAN900It'd be one thing if they were smart enough to figure out that providing support for existing users is a good idea.18:08
GAN900Instead they just drop a daisy cutter every year or so and expect everybody to wait in a holding pattern in the resulting vacuum.18:09
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khertan_900GAN900: no profits in short term : extrem capitalism18:10
javispedrohum, this reminds me about the rx-71 =)18:10
dnearyHey hey18:10
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dnearyI'm working through maemoexamples in scratchbox18:11
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javispedrodneary: btw, many thanks for that!18:11
alteregoGAN900: are there still N900's in the developer queue?18:11
dnearyjavispedro, For what?18:12
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javispedrodneary: did you got through all the meanings of .desktop fields? I at least wanted to say that X-Maemo-Startup-Wm-Class is possibly the "cleaned up" version of StartupWMClass18:12
javispedrodneary: for documenting undocumented stuff :)18:12
dnearyjavispedro, I'm still missing the PreStart ones18:12
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dnearyjavispedro, The URL groups need updating too - it looks like it's backwards compatible, though.18:13
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javispedroand from quickly looking at hildon source, X-Maemo-Startup-Wm-Class got never used (dunno about PR1.3 or if it was meant to be used in "upstream" Hildon or what)18:13
dnearyjavispedro, And there are half a dozen fields I've seen mentioned in example files that I can't find parsed anywhere - so I'm guessing they're deprecated18:13
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dnearyjavispedro, The tricky thing is that these files are parsed in a few different places18:14
javispedrohard task ahead...18:14
dnearyhildon-desktop is only one of them18:14
dnearylibhildonmime is another18:14
javispedroare all of them OSS at least?18:14
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dnearyBut anyway... I've moved on :) It's 95% good now18:15
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dnearyI just compiled crazyparking18:15
javispedrowell, I find out anything about those I'll try to fill the wiki.18:15
javispedro*if I18:15
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javispedrocrazyparking? it was already on extras?18:16
alteregoOh, guess I just missed GAN900 then :(18:17
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dnearyIt compiles fine, but when I try to run it, I get an error, "arguments to dbus_bus_request_name were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed"18:17
dnearyI get that a couple of times, then "cannot init hildon-games-startup"18:17
dnearyAnyone able to help me figure out what is going wrong?18:18
javispedroit's hard to run a hildon-games-wrapper game properly18:18
dnearyThis is the tags/maemo5 version of maemoexamples18:18
javispedrowill give a look18:18
dnearyOK - if this is a known issue, I'll move on & come back to it18:18
dnearyI actually want to get an abook example working18:18
javispedrowhere is maemoexamples.git btw?18:18
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javispedroep, it's not git. sorry.18:19
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javispedrodneary: WORKSFORME? I svn co'd tags/maemo_5.0/crazyparking, prefix=/usr, make, make install and clicked on its menu icon and worked?18:22
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javispedrothis is sbox x86, though.18:23
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javispedromaybe you are invoking it from cmd line in some specific way?18:24
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dnearyjavispedro, Ah - I didn't make install18:32
javispedrohildon-games are usually composed of two processes, messaging via d-bus, so it will need .service files in place18:32
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dnearyjavispedro, I don't see any icon after make install18:34
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dneary(yes, sbox x86)18:34
orospakraw, maemo 5 appears to disable my 3G connection when wireless comes up.18:34
javispedrois prefix=/usr ? :P18:34
dnearyAnd command line invocation gives the same error18:34
dnearyNo - I just did a fakeroot make install18:34
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* javispedro 's only gripe with sbox1 is not being able to run two targets at the same time18:35
dnearyYes, works now when installed in /usr18:35
dnearyThat seems wrong & weird...18:35
dnearyAh, no, doesn't work18:36
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dnearyIcon was there, clicking crashed it18:36
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javispedrook, I see your crash18:37
dnearyjavispedro, Do I need to install a prerequisite, perhaps, that I don't have?18:37
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javispedrowithout installing it, you're trying to run via ./src/crazyparking? That's second binary18:37
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yoyoyohey, why is there 30ms minimum latency from my n900 to my n router - from right next to it?18:38
javispedroit needs session dbus, so it needs also, iirc, it needs some env vars set, but I need to look those up18:38
dnearyjavispedro, So crazyparking?18:39
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javispedrook, I looked it up18:42
javispedrodneary: there's no way to run the SDL app from the command line -- it needs a dbus method invocation to launch.18:42
dnearyI have hildon-games-wrapper & hildon-games-wrapper-dev18:42
javispedroso the question is what error msg if any is console giving you when trying to launch it from menu?18:43
dnearyNo - now I'm not even seeing fail messages18:43
dnearyI just go back to the home screen18:43
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dnearyNope - no errors on xephyr or shell18:44
Wizzupyoyoyo wifi isn't too fast18:44
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javispedrotrying to reproduce it by installing on prefix=/usr/local first, then /usr..18:44
yoyoyobut 30ms?18:44
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yoyoyoisn't it supposed to be like 3ms18:45
* Wizzup doesn't know what's usual for wifi18:45
yoyoyowell 30 isnt18:45
dnearyjavispedro, I'm definitely in /usr now18:45
dnearyLet me restart everything in case it's a desktop file cache question18:46
javispedroah, sounds plausible18:46
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dnearyNah, not it18:46
dnearyAnd no errors to terminal18:46
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dnearyAnd no docs for crazyparking at all - great for an example program18:48
* javispedro used it as sample a year ago, back when starting drnoksnes...18:48
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dnearyjavispedro, No osso_games_startup here18:59
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javispedropackage osso-games-startup19:00
dnearyjavispedro, Thanks!19:00
javispedrothat's probably missing from crazyparking dependencies, then.19:00
javispedroit comes builtin on all so-far released devices, though.19:00
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dnearyI was just typing "can you run dpkg -S for me, please" :)19:00
dnearyjavispedro, But not on the SDK19:00
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dnearyJust started a new game19:02
dnearyIt went straight to "Game paused"19:02
javispedroand it just hang, both buttons greyed out?19:02
dnearyNo, I can click the buttons19:03
alteregoDoes anyone elses Nokia charger adapter make a noise when it's charging the N900?19:03
alteregoThe adapter that converts old Nokia charger plugs into micro usb19:03
dnearyGLIB warning19:03
dnearyhd-task-navigator - XGetClassHint failed19:04
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dnearyClutterX11 - bad window 0x120000219:04
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javispedropossibly crashed...19:04
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dnearydefault - hd_util_get_x_window_string_property: XGetWindowProperty failed19:05
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dnearyThese are hildon-desktop warnings19:05
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mgedminalterego, possibly unrelated, but scary:
javispedrodneary: if you run " /usr/games/wrapper/games/crazyparking.l" it should hang for a while then quit, no error messages19:06
alteregoHoly crap19:06
alteregomgedmin: it does get warm but I wouldn't say that hot19:07
javispedro(reason for that is dbus timeout while waiting for a startup/activate method call)19:07
alteregoAnd the whistling is intermittent.19:07
javispedrobut at least it will run for a while if all libs are installed.19:07
dnearyjavispedro, No - same thing19:07
mgedminI've had random power bricks make whining noises when they're plugged in19:07
mgedminno explosions yet19:07
dnearyStraight to "paused" when you start a game19:07
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dnearyI do Ah - there's a GLIB CRITICAL19:08
dnearyg_source_remove assertion 'tag > 0' failed19:08
javispedroweirdo, never seen that.19:09
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dnearyThen there's a "sending async message game_continue"19:09
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dnearyThen "Getting key /apps/osso/games_startup/pause_with_hw_key value as int"19:09
dnearySo it seems that there's a hardware pause key registering as down!!!19:10
javispedroyou're getting much more debug output that me :(19:10
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dnearyHow can I do hardware keys with the keyboard?19:11
javispedroI do not remember the mappings ..19:12
fcrochikHi.... I really hate to have to do this but: are there any mycontacts users here that would like to help promote a (now very old) new release to extras? Thanks!19:12
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dnearyMaybe I can gconf edit that configuration key19:12
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javispedrodneary: mine's unset19:13
dnearyjavispedro, How do you know?19:13 gconftool -R  /apps/osso/games_startup shows nothing19:13
fcrochikby the way: is anybody else here attending Qt dev days in SF?19:14
Stskeepsjavispedro: cool work on the webos stuff btw19:14
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javispedroStskeeps: thanks19:14
dnearyjavispedro, Me too19:14
javispedroI started when I noticed someone had finally ported DrNokSnes to the Pre =)19:14
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javispedrodneary: why do you get output of g_debugs while I don't? O.o19:17
dnearyjavispedro, We're using the same sources...19:19
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javispedroeither way, when the game binary crashes, you get "game not started yet" instead of "game paused", so no idea atm.19:19
dnearyjavispedro, The game binary doesn't crash for me19:19
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dnearyThe application menu doesn't work for me - no settings19:19
dnearyThat might be normal19:20
alteregofurthest right of the launcher bar19:20
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dnearyalterego, That's an X19:20
dnearyok comparing xephyr & n900 experiences19:21
dnearyworks on n90019:22
javispedrono idea, can't reproduce it.19:22
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dnearyWhen I hit the hardware key, the game does pause19:25
javispedrodneary: I just noticed I have many instances of both the launcher and game binary hung behind. maybe time to sb-conf killall19:25
dnearybut I'm not hitting the hardware key on my keyboard19:25
javispedroin fact, you cannot get to that hardware key on fremantle19:25
dnearyjavispedro, I don't19:25
javispedrobecause iirc it's ESC, the back front key on N8x019:26
dnearyOKK - time to go :(19:26
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RST38hmoo, javispedro, anything new and exciting since I fell off?19:31
javispedroRST38h:  nothing =)19:32
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javispedroRST38h: see how I got webos games rotated? by patching glLoadIdentity to return a non-identity matrix =)19:32
RST38hjavispedro: dirty hacker!19:33
RST38hjavispedro: seriously, I am afraid this may bite you later19:33
Stskeepsjavispedro: linear algebra lectures come in handy, for once? :P19:33
javispedroyes, for example: games not using GL at all, games using GLES219:33
javispedroStskeeps: indeed19:34
RST38hGLES2 stuff is meh19:34
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juozapashi can u recommend some pdf reader wich can work in portrait mode? or ebook reader wich supports portait and pdf19:37
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RST38hthere is exactly 2 pdf readers19:40
RST38hthe onethat comes with the device and evince19:41
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TiagoTiagoquick question: is there a way to change the default character that is used to obscure passwords?19:58
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TiagoTiago(on a N900)19:58
DocScrutinizera hexeditor :-P19:59
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jacekowskihe just asked of there is a way not what is it19:59
TiagoTiagoits not just a setting somewhere? :/19:59
DocScrutinizersure, somewhere20:00
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DocScrutinizerprobably somewhere on *.h20:01
jpinx-eeepcjob @ nokia anyone?
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TiagoTiagoi mean, there isn't any way to change it other than doing changes on a binary?20:01
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DocScrutinizer*-h isn't a binary20:03
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TiagoTiagobut it is used to make a binary, if i change that the binary that results from it will also be changed20:04
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TiagoTiagois that incorrect?20:14
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ZogGDocScrutinizer, привет20:15
DocScrutinizerwell, you might be able to (even temporarily) change the font that's used in the text input box20:15
TiagoTiagoI wanna change the default, what programs that don't explicitly choose a character for that purpose use20:17
DocScrutinizerso that even while the char binary code is the same, you get another representation for it20:17
DocScrutinizerhmm, hard20:17
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DocScrutinizeras there are several distinct text input libs, some not even with any password notion20:18
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DocScrutinizerGTK, Qt, ncurses...20:19
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TiagoTiagoi would like to change it on things like the pin entry screen, microB etc20:19
DocScrutinizerthat's all GTK for anow afaik, and is going to change to Qt eventually :-D20:20
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TiagoTiagoGTK doesn't got a text field variant specificly for passwords?20:20
DocScrutinizerGTK should, I'd guess20:21
DocScrutinizerncurses obviously hasn't20:21
DocScrutinizerok, bad example20:21
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dRbiGhmm, anyone for some Qt advocacy for me? i'm still like kind'a biased toward it20:26
DocScrutinizermy point is - there's no standard way, so there's also no central locaton to tweak it20:26
DocScrutinizerNoka came and told trolls "resistance is futile" ;-D20:27
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crashanddieQt trolls or general?20:27
DocScrutinizerobiously Qt trolls20:27
StyXmancrashanddie: trolls as in tolltech'ers20:28
TiagoTiagoI was hoping those programs that don't explicitly choose a character would rely on a system setting (falling back to the toolkit's default in the absence of the setting)20:28
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crashanddieStyXman, yes thank you, DocScrutinizer's clarification... clarified that.20:28
toggles Stskeeps: Nokia said it too!!20:29
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: a nice idea. Maybe even an implemented one, though I doubt. Sorry talking outa my ass20:29
Stskeepswhat did i say?20:29
togglesLet me find the quote..20:29
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TiagoTiagoi see20:30
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togglesblah, can't find it, basically that I have to wait until next year20:32
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: first point: there's no central settings storage defined that's common to Qt and GTK20:32
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DocScrutinizer(except shell env vars maybe)20:33
TiagoTiagoi wouldn't mind one for each20:33
DocScrutinizergtk == gconf20:33
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DocScrutinizerQt also has some settings editor20:34
ShadowJKXResources ;-)20:34
StyXmanDocScrutinizer: is that gtk or gnome which is related to gconf?20:34
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DocScrutinizersorry, I'm not really sure about it20:36
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orospakris it possible to get Maemo to not disconnect the 3G connection when wifi is available? I certainly want to prefer wifi if available (higher priority route metric, etc.), but I don't want to needlessly cut off connections already going through the 3G if it can be avoided.20:36
DocScrutinizerorospakr: that's leave you with both up same time most of the cases20:37
orospakrsure, that's fine.20:37
orospakrI doubt it would use much power; the 3G modem is up all the time anyway.20:38
BCMMusing 3G data uses much more power than sitting around waiting for a phone call does20:38
DocScrutinizermany connections aren't supposed to "roam" so it's really difficult20:38
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D-IivilEvening everyone :)20:39
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DocScrutinizerand then there's UDP which has no decent notion about connections20:39
orospakrBCMM, it does, hm? Interesting.20:39
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ShadowJKWell, just being online uses almost nothing, but a single packet going in either direction will elevate power consumption for 5-10s (so even something like IRC uses huge amounts of power on 3g)20:40
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ShadowJKorospakr, it's a cool idea but I don't know how to do it :-)20:41
orospakrShadowJK, ohhh, interesting.20:41
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BCMMi'd quite like a way to temporarily tell it to ignore wlan20:41
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TiagoTiagoDoes the N900 support that mobile IP thing i read about a while ago? (i think it was a feature of IPv6)20:41
Surfamip is also for ipv420:41
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: a PITA20:42
Surfawhat do you mean?20:42
ShadowJKorospakr, personally I have a server in holland with openvpn on it, run openvpn on N900, and tunnel important stuff over that, since openvpn is able to gracefully jump from one connection to another20:42
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orospakrShadowJK, hmm, yeah. I need to get OpenVPN running again.20:42
BCMMsince if i'm outside fixing my bike or something, it chooses my home wireless network, but it doesn't actually work at that range20:42
BCMM(and i want to listen to internet radio while doing that)20:42
BCMMDocScrutinizer: ?20:42
ShadowJKorospakr, I don't really know how to tell linux kernel "Use this route for new connections, but use the old one for already established connections", even if we ignore the UDP issue for now...20:42
ShadowJKI've certainly tried similar things in the past :)20:43
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TiagoTiagoit is also possible on IPv4? I thought it involved using an specific address range that was only present on IPv620:43
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SurfaTiagoTiago, yes it is20:44
SpeedEvilShadowJK: you can do that with iptables20:44
SurfaTiagoTiago, i've been doing that for ipv420:44
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, I never managed to figure out how20:44
SpeedEvilyou can do everything with iptables.20:44
SurfaTiagoTiago, but in general safe assumption is that it won't support it20:44
SurfaTiagoTiago, but also mipv6 isn't that straightforward..20:45
BCMMiptables is wonderful and complicated20:45
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ShadowJKin the end, packets belonging to connections on interface1 were going out on interface2 with SRC address set to interface1's address.. which would have worked, since ISP didnd't do any antispoofing checks, but there was a NAT in between on one of the connections, which then totally butchered/dropped stuff :)20:45
BCMMit's like saying "you can do anything in C"20:45
BCMMyou can, but you probably don't know how to20:45
Surfain general the mip is interesting, but almost nowhere supported20:45
SpeedEvilFrom memory, it'd be on the order of something like routing new connection requests over the 'new' interface.20:46
DocScrutinizerhonestly, that's like the problems on loadbalancing/multiple connections. You need a concentrator somewhere "on the other side"20:46
SpeedEvilThen dealing the right way with existing connections.20:46
ShadowJKTo me the problem sounds like "I'm a single user and I want to multihome but the ISPs says I need 50,000 users before I can multihome" ;D20:46
StyXmanorospakr: it should be possible, but not easily done20:46
SurfaTiagoTiago, there are references for both20:46
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ShadowJKiirc SCTP is supposed to be able to move a connection over to a new IP :)20:47
ShadowJKBut nothing talks  SCTP20:47
* ShadowJK is sticking with his openvpn setup for now20:47
StyXmanorospakr: you should list the live connections and build static routes through the 3g device, if such thing exists20:47
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TiagoTiagoi'll go read that, thx20:47
SpeedEvilStyXman: that's the cheesy way, though I have a script for that.20:48
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StyXmanSpeedEvil: hehehe20:48
StyXmanSpeedEvil: from the IPv4 point of view there is no other option20:48
DocScrutinizernow that's a nice case of "white trolling" :-P20:48
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SpeedEvilStyXman: yes there is - you set iptables to deal differently with new connections than existing ones.20:49
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SpeedEvilAnd disregard this notion of 'routes' pretty much.20:49
neekersif i wanted to run a service in the background that got gps every 5 minutes and sent it to a webserver, what classes/frameworks would i want to look at?20:49
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Robot101just use XMPP location sharing, which already works via an app called Azimuth? :)20:50
Khertanit s work very well  qtmobility.location20:50
DocScrutinizer\o/ Robot10120:50
Khertanand really easy to use in python20:50
javispedroso, true is 1 and false is 0, isn't it?20:51
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DocScrutinizerdepends :-P20:52
javispedrohmm, good point.20:52
javispedrolet's check the .h in case someone changed it.20:52
javispedrobah, that's not it.20:53
DocScrutinizerin shell it seems to me 0 = true20:53
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neekersis there a class/framework that will actually run in the background similar to Android's Service class?20:55
javispedroall applications "run in the background"20:55
javispedrothis ... is ... MAEMO!20:56
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StyXmanSpeedEvil: good point, but then I don't know how20:56
StyXmanI read LARTC too long ago20:56
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neekersjavispedro: can you maybe narrow down that answer a little... :)20:57
neekersmaybe i should narrow down my question a little...20:57
infoboti guess question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first:
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.20:59
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TiagoTiagoalright, i'm headin off, cya20:59
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DocScrutinizerI really like the last sentence :-D21:00
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DocScrutinizerneekers: seems you started rethinking it thoroughly :-) Or was there a phonecall that stopped you from narrowing down your question?21:04
Goliath24 <- is it mandatory to name the .pro "" in this case? I find that a bit strange it also doesn't work well with qtcreator..21:04
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DocScrutinizerhmm, no idea about packaging though21:06
ShadowJKneekers, well if you don't open a window, then you'll be running in the background21:07
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Goliath24If I use "SUBDIR" in a .pro it probably picks up every .pro it finds. so I guess I also could rename it21:07
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: and if you open, but hide?21:08
DocScrutinizer#define background21:08
Goliath24there is no publicly available scratchbox machine I could try my package on, right? ;)21:08
Goliath24I have no space left... :/21:08
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DocScrutinizerif background means "concurrent execution" then all linux processes are "running as background"21:09
neekersthis is how i define background,
trumeealmost everyday Appmanager asks me to update PyQt4 Full install, is that a new update?21:10
DocScrutinizermeh, who'd be inclined to study andridiot specs now, just to answer your question21:10
DocScrutinizerthis isn't spyPhone nor Andridiot, maemo is a "real linux"21:11
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DocScrutinizerwith standard X and a window manager not that different from what you got on your desktop PC21:12
neekersDocScrutinizer: somebody has asked me a question on my blog on how to run my open source software on a symbian s4, i'm just trying to point that person in the right direction.21:13
StyXmanneekers: what you want, I guess, is a normal 'go to daemon mode' if you don't want to 'leave an application running'. any linux daemon howto shold do it21:13
neekersStyXman: thanks, i think that is what i want21:14
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StyXmanprobably QApplication and/or GApp, if such thing exists, have somehting for that21:15
DocScrutinizerdarn, now we're even with sybian21:15
DocScrutinizerI don't think Qt is exactly the toolbox of choice for daemons21:17
javispedroI do not think there's anything really equivalent to the Service android class, because, as said, on Maemo, applications _always_ run on the background21:17
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javispedrothey're never killed21:18
javispedroso there's no need to signal anyone "I'm going to do background work"21:18
DocScrutinizernor stopped21:18
javispedrojust damn do it.21:18
DocScrutinizerhow to fish by exploiting 3 bitches and a yourned to the moon?21:19
javispedrousing QtFish?21:20
neekersok, i told the person they could do it with maemo, and gave them a link to my work is done... :)21:22
DocScrutinizernota bene even overlords aren't exactly sure what's a daemon21:23
DocScrutinizeron unix21:23
StyXmanQApp doesn't seem to have anyhitn for daemons21:23
ShadowJKneekers, I don't htink anyone here knows anything about Symbian^4 btw21:23
DocScrutinizersure, as App != daemon, usually21:23
javispedroit was a symbian question?21:24
neekersShadowJK: is ^4 a model or a different os?21:24
javispedrowrong channel then, this is #maemo =)21:24
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hahlois it like demon for people :)21:24
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DocScrutinizerthere are *some* commonly accepted properties of a daemon, one of them being it has no UI21:25
javispedrothat's the easy part21:25
ShadowJKneekers, it's a different OS.21:26
kerioa daemon with a UI is definetely plausible21:26
neekersi guess i get a little confused with maemo and meego and moblin etc... :/21:26
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: yep, the one with the bitches and the journey, not the one where you're going fishing :-P21:26
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ShadowJKneekers, Maemo 5 is the OS on the Nokia N900. Moblin is some netbook OS made by intel. MeeGo is a merger of Maemo and Moblin. They're all Linux based. Symbian, however, is a completely different operating system. It's used by Nokia on all smartphones except N900, and also by some other manufacturers on some specific models.21:28
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neekersahh, thank you21:28
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RST38hheya VDVsx21:29
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SpeedEvilAnd sybian is something almost completely unrelated, with a much higher user satisfaction ratio.21:29
VDVsxRST38h, hello21:29
ShadowJKneekers, supposedly you can use QT on Symbian too (version ^3 onwards), but since this is #maemo, people gave you a answer on how to do it in Maemo21:29
* ShadowJK goes work21:30
RST38h*** #symbian   39     All things Symbian - Just ask, patience is a virtue21:30
* DocScrutinizer wonders if there's a controller equipped sybian model running some embedded linux21:30
javispedroAccelerometerGetXAxis() { return rand(); } makes for some fun racing21:30
RST38hbetter return real value, but add a bit of rand() to it =)21:31
DocScrutinizer"Openembedded for Sybain" X-P21:31
javispedroRST38h: #symbian -- only 39 users? O.o21:31
javispedroyou wouldn't though it was suposedly the best selling smartphone platform in the entire known universe21:32
ShadowJKjavispedro, that pys60 thing that's top download on garage.maemo (wtf?) is a Symbian thing :-)21:32
maybeHereyeah well...
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: @me?21:34
javispedroDocScrutinizer: no, nothing.21:34
javispedroalso. going out, cya.21:34
DocScrutinizercya :-D21:34
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neekersdo people here use scratchbox a lot when working with maemo? this is a problem that i'm actually working on right now. i am trying to compile glib into mach-o files instead of elf files and having a hard time doing that. i have been able to compile them into elf using scratchbox 2 and codesourcery...21:35
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DocScrutinizeralas you have to, usually21:36
DocScrutinizerSB is a PITA21:36
neekersit is...21:36
DocScrutinizercheck MADDE21:37
BCMMjacekowski: well, the size of a freenode community is probably more related to the open-ness of things21:37
neekersthere is a very small scratchbox channel but not a lot of action there and i noticed the scratchbox source code is on the maemo website21:37
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DocScrutinizerSB is discontinued AIUI21:38
BCMMjacekowski: sorry, i mishighlighted21:38
BCMMsince javispedro had left21:38
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DocScrutinizerETAB :-)21:38
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Noobmonk3yhmmm anyone fancy giving me a little quick up the ass (help?) in c++/qt?21:39
Noobmonk3yhopefully an easy one :)21:39
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG51: ? :) :)21:39
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crashanddieNoobmonk3y, you need help, not sure it's in C++ though. /b/ can help you.21:40
Noobmonk3yIn my infinite wisdom i am trying threading :P21:40
Noobmonk3ygot two lines as follows21:41
Noobmonk3y   m_thread = new MyThread();21:41
Noobmonk3y            connect(m_thread, SIGNAL( updateLabel( QString ) ), SLOT( onUpdateLabel( QString ) ) );21:41
RST38hyou are trying threading it WHERE???21:41
DocScrutinizernot exactly C++, but...
neekersShadowJK: thank you for explaining the different OSes to me...21:41
Noobmonk3ythe error i am getting is 'm_thread' was not declared in this scope21:41
crashanddieNoobmonk3y, what is thy problem?21:41
RST38hNoobL Have you declared it?21:41
Noobmonk3ybut i thought i was declaring it in teh first line?21:41
Noobmonk3ym_thread = new MyThread(); ?21:41
crashanddieNoobmonk3y, MyThread m_thread = new MyThread(); ?21:42
RST38hNoobL no, that is assignment21:42
RST38hNoobL you need declaration21:42
Noobmonk3ycrashandies example has given me a bugger load of errors lol21:43
crashanddieyou're welcome.21:43
Noobmonk3y:) :) :)21:43
DocScrutinizerlike t_m_Thread m_thread = new MyThread()21:43
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crashanddieat least I solved his problem21:43
crashanddieHe doesn't have "m_thread was not declared in this scope" error anymore.21:44
Noobmonk3yi'm assuming crashanddie's should work? or am i looking at another way of declaring?21:44
Noobmonk3y:P true!21:44
DocScrutinizeroh, crashanddie told it before21:44
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* Noobmonk3y blinks21:45
DocScrutinizerNoobmonk3y: that's a real programming language - you need type defs for each var you gonna use :-P21:46
Noobmonk3yDocScrutinizer: thanks i think, i just dont understand the answers i'm getting lol :P21:46
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DocScrutinizerint i; i = 5 / 2; vs:  real r; r = 5 / 2;21:48
Noobmonk3yok, so, what crash and die said was right?21:48
Noobmonk3yor is there another way to declare it?21:49
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DocScrutinizeryes, assuming MyThread is a defined typedef21:49
DocScrutinizerlike int, or real, or char21:50
ieatlintprogramming is fun21:50
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Noobmonk3yprogramming is fainful!21:51
crashanddieNoobmonk3y, you inherited some kind of Qt thread, right?21:51
DocScrutinizeror, im my less ambiguous example above: t_m_Thread is a valid typedef for a var holding an object of type of MyThread()21:51
Noobmonk3yok think i got it21:51
crashanddieNoobmonk3y, you have a class called MyThread?21:52
Noobmonk3yadded QThread* m_thread; in the header21:52
Noobmonk3yand yes i do :)21:52
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Noobmonk3yclass =
crashanddieok, is m_thread a property of another class, or just a local variable?21:52
Noobmonk3yignore the //'s was playing21:52
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Noobmonk3ylocal , erm i think21:53
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crashanddiepaste your whole code pliz21:53
DocScrutinizerclass MyThread : public QThread21:53
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DocScrutinizerQthread is the type of var you need to hold an object of class MyThread21:54
ieatlintNoobmonk3y: that looks correct21:54
Noobmonk3yooo ty ieat21:54
Noobmonk3yonly 2 smaller errors now21:54
ieatlintyou would use that class as this: MyThread *instance = new MyThread;21:54
Venemo_N810hi guys21:55
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer, hardly21:55
ieatlintNoobmonk3y: the updateLabel() function declaration should be in a different section21:55
Noobmonk3yeeeek should it?21:55
Noobmonk3yyou mean onUpdateLabel?21:55
ieatlintyeah, it's a signal21:55
Noobmonk3yyeah OnUpdateLabel is elsewhere21:56
Noobmonk3ytis in the gui class21:56
Noobmonk3ythe variable updatelabel is there though21:56
ieatlintit should have the keyword "signals:" on the line above it21:56
ieatlintlike how the word "public:" is21:56
Noobmonk3yok not got one of them21:56
DocScrutinizerthe SIGNAL/SLOT concept is nice, but not easily to understand on first take21:56
ieatlintanything in the "signals:" section should be declared as a function, but not defined21:57
DocScrutinizernot easy to, or not easily understood21:57
RST38hDoc: Feels easy enough to me21:58
RST38hDoc: Actually exists in GTK too21:58
ieatlintnah, gtk's is different21:58
DocScrutinizerto me as well, but I've seen lots of people not getting the basic concept21:58
* Noobmonk3y doesnt get it lol21:58
RST38hNow, all the funny limitations Qt applies to it may be difficult to understand21:59
Noobmonk3yand if qtcreator let me up this to GIT, i would :P21:59
BCMMif i find that after many minutes of not actively using my wireless network, my n900 appears to be connected to it but cannot actually ping anything, does that mean that I have one of those routers with a buggy implementation of power-saving?21:59
RST38hNoob: YOu should probably start by learning generic C++, not Qt21:59
Noobmonk3yRST38h: meh yeah, thats time :(21:59
RST38hNoob: Once you know what a "declaration" is, things will get easier21:59
DocScrutinizerBCMM: yes21:59
ieatlintlearning generic c++ doesn't help with the signals/slots21:59
ieatlintthat's qt specific21:59
DocScrutinizerthat's a generic bus- or client/server concept basically22:00
RST38hieatlint: learing generic c++ helps learning Qt22:01
ieatlintwell, if you learn qt before c++, going to c++ will be a bitch once you realise all the weird shit qt tacks on top22:01
RST38hbecause Qt is a C++ framework22:01
ieatlintit's like this hacked c++ with its own preprocessors and such :P22:02
DocScrutinizerit's insane to learn Qt without profunf C++ knowledge, as is learning C++ without knowing shit about C22:02
Noobmonk3yieatlint: if i put it under signals, my new error is undefined reference to 'MyThread::updatelabel(Qstring)'22:02
derfIt's like learning GTK instead of learning C.22:02
derfIt makes no snes.22:02
RST38hdefinitely does not make any snes.22:02
ieatlintNoobmonk3y: capitalisation22:02
RST38hnes too =)22:02
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Noobmonk3ythe error was right ;)22:03
neekersthats very profunf... :)22:03
ieatlinterr, so the error is still there with the correct capitalisation you mean?22:03
ieatlintrepaste code then22:04
ieatlintor update that pastebin..22:04
DocScrutinizerneekers: that's my typo! give it back!22:04
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DocScrutinizerieatlint: updating pastebins seems doesn't work like expected22:05
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pupnikhah "whenever you see a man who is well groomed you can be sure he's not gettin any" - niles22:05
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ieatlintNoobmonk3y: where is that error occuring? does it reference any files other than the one holding the MyThread class?22:06
ieatlintor does the error follow up with a statement like "candidates:"22:06
Noobmonk3yit is coming from that function22:06
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Noobmonk3y void updateLabel( QString str ); is squiggly underlined22:06
Noobmonk3ywhen i hover over it says 'You forgot the Q_OBJECT macro'22:07
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RST38hYou forgot Q_OBJECT mactothen.22:07
RST38hIt should occur right after class {22:07
Noobmonk3ylol RST38h22:07
ieatlintnah, he's right22:07
Noobmonk3yIts like learning to be a mechanic in chinese, starting with the hardest words first lol22:07
ieatlintfirst line of the class should be "Q_OBJECT"22:07
ieatlintno semicolon required22:07
RST38hBut I still think, Noob, that you are doing something you ought not22:07
RST38hLearn C++ FIRST.22:08
RST38hNo, really.22:08
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RST38hTHEN fiddle with Qt.22:08
Noobmonk3ynot to you to my errors22:08
Noobmonk3ywell i'm learning as i go, except for threading lol22:08
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* RST38h glances at the TV where a huge octopus is feasting on a diver22:08
Noobmonk3ywanna get this working, then it should be easier :P22:08
Noobmonk3yok hopefully last error, now squiggly has gone!22:09
ieatlintdo you know any other programming languages?22:09
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RST38hNo, it will not get easier.22:09
BCMMDocScrutinizer: thanks22:09
Noobmonk3ypython, VB, Assembly(ish), ADA, Pascal22:09
RST38hIt will just get more and more confusing. Believe me, I have been through this.22:09
DocScrutinizerumm, forgot for what. yw BCMM22:09
trumee1800 nokia jobs to go. booohooo22:09
ieatlintyou may want to look at pyqt22:09
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BCMMDocScrutinizer: wireless power-saving stupidness22:09
Noobmonk3yhmmm i have done pyqt22:10
Noobmonk3yprevious version of what i'm designing was done in it22:10
RST38h1:0 for the Tentacled One22:10
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: I see lags of up to 60s here22:10
Noobmonk3ythe C++ is meant to be the new better healthcheck22:10
BCMMDocScrutinizer: also referring to stuff quite a while ago, how would you recommend learning the C++ required for Qt?22:10
RST38hContinue using PyQT then22:10
RST38h*OR* learn damn C++. Without Qt.22:10
Noobmonk3ymeh meh meh22:10
RST38hmeh indeedy22:11
DocScrutinizerI usually suggest starting with C or assembler, then move on to C++ naturally22:11
Noobmonk3yI dont have 2 years, the n900 will be gone by then lol22:11
ieatlintstarting with assembler? :P22:11
BCMMi mean, what materials?22:11
Noobmonk3yi did lol22:11
ieatlintthat's a bit overkill22:11
Noobmonk3ybut assembler and n900.... might take a while22:11
DocScrutinizerieatlint: or modula :-P22:11
ieatlinti learnt c, then c++22:11
ieatlintmade c++ just a big discussion about OOP and how c++ does it22:12
DocScrutinizerwell even C might work, as long as you keep away from actual code22:12
ieatlintand a lot of "remember how you used to malloc stuff? stop that"22:12
DocScrutinizerieatlint: a bad advice22:12
ieatlintwell, not a rule :P22:13
derfNo, allocating memory is generally a bad idea in any case.22:13
ieatlintbut using the c++ methods is safer and saner22:13
DocScrutinizera better advice would be "you're doing malloc implicitly now, which makes it a bit more obfuscated sometimes"22:13
derfieatlint: Hahahaha.22:13
derfieatlint: That is a good one.22:13
ieatlintderf: :P22:13
ieatlintyeah, i'm still a c guy... if it weren't for this qt crap, i'd still happily be there swearing at gtk22:14
derfSwearing at GTK... it's the way things should be.22:14
DocScrutinizerthere's nothing worse than a coder with no clue what's going on at assembler / plain c malloc et al level, when he's juggling with those friggin objects22:15
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DocScrutinizerthat's why C++ actually becomes a lame language22:15
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Noobmonk3yholy fucksocks22:16
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Noobmonk3yi fixed the error!22:16
ieatlintyeah, i admittedly don't like c++ doing it all for me... feels lazy, and i'm just trusting it's not unnecessarily duping mem and that it frees it automatically way too much22:16
Noobmonk3ymoved the run function up into the top part :)22:16
DocScrutinizerthe syntax errors or the semantic ones as well? :-P22:16
ieatlintwith c, i know exactly what was going on22:16
Noobmonk3ytime to test!22:16
ieatlintand i'm still depressed when i am asked in an interview what's wrong with this function: int blah() { int i = 5; return &i; }22:17
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ieatlintand they tell me most people get it wrong22:17
Noobmonk3yok, runs fine, but now object connect error on the connect slot lol22:17
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DocScrutinizermuhaha rotfl22:18
Noobmonk3yObject::connect: No such slot hcMainWindow::onUpdateLabel( QString ) in hcmainwindow.cpp:4922:18
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Noobmonk3yits like kiss chase c++ stylee22:18
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: i've heard it several times ... it sounds like a joke, it's not22:18
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ieatlintand of the two major things wrong on that, apparently some people will actually use int to pass pointer addresses22:19
GAN900Code monkeys are a dime a dozen.22:19
ieatlintand it will actually work... sometimes.. on some systems22:19
GAN900Hey, if it works, right? :D22:19
ieatlinthaha, kinda the problem22:19
DocScrutinizerand it's returning a pointer to neverland22:20
ieatlint"hey, it didn't error, it must be right!"22:20
T_X-sorry, one beginners question. is the extras-devel repository and the freemantle distribution the same as freemantle-1.3?22:20
T_X-and if I added extras-devel, should I deactivate extras then?22:20
DocScrutinizerieatlint: honestly looks like a POC for a stack based exploit :-P22:22
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ieatlintDocScrutinizer: apparently most poeple who apply for programming jobs don't know terms like stack or heap22:22
DocScrutinizerand the ugly thing with C: you can do it, and nobody will complain - well maybe lint22:22
ieatlintand "learn" pointers on a trial and error process22:23
RST38hmost people who apply for programming jobs do not even know how computer works22:23
ieatlintwhich is to say, just keep adding or removing & and * until it compiles and doesn't segfault right away22:23
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DocScrutinizerkeeping the segfaulting for later22:23
RST38hbut it all does not matter of course, you are being hired on the basis of how meek you are22:24
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: hehe, i've had this nickname since longer than i knew how to program, but it's made me smile thanks to lint22:24
ieatlinti'm actually known as "lint" by some friends in real life, who were kind enough to buy me a copy of the lint book circa 1980-something22:24
Goliath24is there some place where you can have "online virtual machines"?22:24
ieatlintlots of places22:25
DocScrutinizererrr, like in... ?22:25
RST38hGoliath24: Yes:
ieatlintamazon ec2, gogrid, and probably a few thousand smaller companies22:25
DocScrutinizerdownload wm-images?22:25
DocScrutinizeror cloud computing?22:26
GAN900RST38h, that's the scary thing I've found in a lot of people in computer science and engineering tracks.22:26
GAN900They know jack shit about computers and electronics.22:26
Goliath24RST38h: hehe22:26
DocScrutinizeror a vserver?22:26
RST38hGAN: scares the shit out of me every time I interview them =(22:26
Goliath24DocScrutinizer: "cloud computing" I guess. but I'm not a buzzword expert22:26
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DocScrutinizeramazon and google iirc22:27
ieatlintwell, the sad thing is that i know this shit, and can't seem to get a job programming22:27
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RST38hieatlint: not meek enough22:27
Goliath24thing is, my daughter is sleeping in the room with the desktop pc, so I need some virtual machine to install scratchbox on, my laptop doesn't have enough space, and its a bit tiring to wait for the autobuilder queue on each iteration..22:27
Goliath24is it free? amazon and google?22:28
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ieatlintRST38h: eh, more an issue of lack of professional programming experience and no degree22:28
DocScrutinizernot afaik22:29
Goliath24ieatlint: where are you located? ;)22:29
RST38hieatlint: get a freaking degree, BS in CS shouldn't be that hard22:29
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DocScrutinizerGermany here - as ieatlint 's problem applies to me as well :-P22:29
ieatlintbah, i've given up on school... i don't need to go read more classic english literature and write some essays about it22:29
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ieatlinti'm in california22:30
Goliath24DocScrutinizer: I work at siemens and we could use some good ppl! ;)22:30
DocScrutinizernp, been at Siemes several times for different jobs22:30
Goliath24unfortunately i'm not in the position to make decisions. :)22:30
DocScrutinizerGeraetewerk Erlangen CIM22:30
DocScrutinizerfor example22:31
DocScrutinizerlong ago22:31
DocScrutinizerthose good old M7022:31
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Goliath24M70 a gun?! ;)22:32
Noobmonk3yw000p ieatlint no errors, it runs :) - but does nothing lol22:32
Goliath24why don't I see the file. it says build succeeded22:32
ieatlintNoobmonk3y: congrats, you've solved the complicated noop22:32
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ieatlintGoliath24: and btw, if you want to look at virtualisation, they typically charge by the hour22:33
ieatlintif i recall right, amazon ec2 is $0.19/hr22:33
Goliath24ieatlint: I thought more of "free" :)22:34
ieatlintyeah, good luck with that :P22:34
Goliath24ieatlint: but thanks for the info!22:34
Goliath24I will create a VM on an usb disk or so22:34
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Goliath24for now the autobuilder works okay, I just want to fix my widget so that it installs at least -.-22:34
RST38hieatlint: You can always tak women's studies classes instead =)22:34
ieatlintRST38h: i don't hate myself that much22:35
ieatlinttoo many hippies in this area... a class like that would be too painful22:35
DocScrutinizerGoliath24: who's "we" regarding Siemens? UBxy?22:36
DocScrutinizerUnernehmensBereich, like UBMED22:37
DocScrutinizerprobably obsolete terms22:37
ieatlintGoliath24: well, you might be able to find someone who will offer you a shell account on their server with a toolchain22:37
Goliath24DocScrutinizer: it's Healthcare. a small development site near frankfurt. formally part of a company called "dade behring"22:37
DocScrutinizerdade, like michael dade?22:38
Goliath24DocScrutinizer: probably not. dade behring was bought in 2007 by siemens and I still don't have a clue about siemens termonology!22:38
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Goliath24DocScrutinizer: michael dade? dunno. behring like this one
RST38hieatlint: history classes then22:39
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RST38hieatlint: plenty of carnage, betrayal, and other irony22:39
Goliath24ieatlint: I have a server myself. I could install it there. might be an idea. not tonight, though. I think I prefer a virtualbox or vm22:40
ieatlintRST38h: not really a realistic option for many different reasons... i'll manage22:40
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Venemo_N810is there an "open in new window" in Diablo's Microb?22:41
derfI'm pretty sure I didn't read any classic English literature in college.22:41
* RST38h actually did, believe it or not22:42
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derfThough the English class I did take was one of the most valuable of all my undergrad classes.22:42
RST38hFaerie Queene etc22:42
* thopiekar cant beleave that the developtment on carman has stopped..22:42
Goliath24DocScrutinizer: behring diagnostic was bought by Dade before and before that all was höchst :)22:42
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Goliath24we have ppl there that changed their company name 4 times without leaving their office. strange ...22:43
DocScrutinizerGoliath24: probably m uncle Michael at UBMED is just a coincidence22:43
DocScrutinizerthough he's been involved in MRT development a lot22:44
thopiekarcarman is a great software.. i'll get in the next days from hong kong a odb2 bt device that costs less then 20euro22:44
Goliath24ah, yes. MRT is an older siemens business. now they bought the rest of things that could be needed in an hospital for diagnostics (bayer, DPC, Dade Behring)22:45
RST38hA routine flight in the Democratic Republic of Congo turned deadly when a crocodile escaped from a passenger's duffle bag. According to the flight's sole human survivor, panicking passengers fled into the cockpit and caused the pilot to lose control.22:46
GAN900ieatlint, yeah, I agree with you, but you gotta do it anyway.22:46
GAN900One of those stupid gatekeeping things you gotta do.22:46
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thopiekarhow can i switch between channels in irssi?22:47
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thopiekarvia /j?22:47
ieatlint/win N22:48
ieatlintor alt+n22:48
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ieatlintor mod2+n22:48
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Myrttictrl-n ctrl-p ctrl-a works too22:48
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Venemo_N810why is OpenTTD not launching on the N810?22:58
thopiekarwhats says the xterm?22:58
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lcukis this something for our n900 ^23:05
BCMMslashdot is odd today23:05
BCMMi think they're redesigning it again23:05
BCMMlcuk: "synchronize easily with the calendars and contact data on each owner's desktop machine"?23:06
BCMMwe can do that now?23:06
BCMMlast i looked sync was basically a bit broken23:07
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lcukBCMM, then show/tell/writeup where its broken and see what can be done on the meego side23:09
BCMMlcuk: i can't really remember now23:09
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BCMMall i can really remember is that, at the time, there didn't seem to be a way to sync easily with KDEPIM23:10
BCMMah well, i'm a fanboy so i'll still spend all my mod points on people promoting the n90023:10
Venemo_N810mod points?23:11
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BCMMVenemo_N810: slashdot's moderation system works by giving people like me 5 "mod points" occasionally23:13
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sivanghey ArGGu^^ , how is your app going?23:13
Venemo_N810BCMM, ah, okay23:13
BCMMwhich can be used to modify a post's score23:13
sivangArGGu^^: you have a special nick that is hard to forget23:13
BCMMit means mods don't power-trip and dominate a conversation23:13
Venemo_N810is it like stackoverflow?23:13
BCMMVenemo_N810: i don't know23:14
BCMMVenemo_N810: it's quite a complex system, tuned over the years to rapidly hide trolls and spam while making moderation abuse difficult23:15
Venemo_N810I dunno, never been on that site yet23:15
BCMMposts have a score, and most users choose not to see low-scored posts23:15
corecodedoes anybody have ideas how to find out why the jabber voice talk might suddenly stop working23:15
Venemo_N810but it sounds like StackOverlow23:16
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BCMMa algorithm that depends on quite a few things decides who gets mod points, and mod points each influence a post's score by +/-123:16
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sivangBCMM: there is going to be a way, an akonadi backend already exists, part of SoC project with a very nice guy I'm working with to develop a pure Qt UI so it might be included somewhere somehow in meego23:20
sivangBCMM: let me find you his blog for posts and updates23:20
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ArGGu^^sivang I have not had any time to continue coding the app, but I going to try find some time this weekend23:36
ArGGu^^Too much school work :S23:36
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ArGGu^^And i have little problem to figure out how I'm going to make the hidden channel/names lists that can be unhide with sweep23:39
corecodegeez, what is going on with jabber voice23:39
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corecodei think google messed something up23:58
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