IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-08-24

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tobis87Anyway, nothing can beat this crypto engine: http://kryptochef.net/indexh2e.htm and the comment from schneider is the best of all http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/06/the_doghouse_kr.html :-D00:12
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crashanddietobis: "Everything can be a KRYPTO key, either randomly computed information, or computed information or not computed information"00:47
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b-man`it looks like there is some facial recognition software being developed for the N900 :) http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/philip.tresadern/proj_facerec.htm00:49
lcukb-man`, yeah its been around a while but caught up on00:50
* lcuk should visit him00:50
lcukits in manchester :)00:50
b-man`sure :)00:50
b-man`lcuk, you should show them your liqbase and onedotzero stuff :)00:51
lcukb-man`, I was thinking my invar actually00:53
lcukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM00:53
lcukuse facial recognition with the ui :)00:53
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b-man`yeah :)00:54
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b-man`lcuk: they'd be quite fascinated by that00:55
lcuk:) mee to00:56
lcukb-man`, I took a photo of some notes I had made on my pad00:56
lcukand setup invar to show them00:56
lcukso my n900 was sat on a blank page00:56
lcukbut where I moved it the notes showed through :)00:56
lcukin their original place :D00:57
b-man`heh :D00:57
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pupnikthinkpads are pretty awesome01:06
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Gizmokid2005has anyone else noticed an issue when you set the camera to night mode, and then change it back, it seems as if the lens stays "zoomed in"...you can fix it by going to the settings and changing the resolution to a lower one and then back to 5M.01:37
Gizmokid2005anyone?01:37
pupnikinteresting01:41
luke-jrGizmokid2005: how? N900 doesn't have zoom… O.o01:41
Gizmokid2005it does have an optical zoom, but that's what i mean...it acts like it's still "zoomed" in.01:42
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Gizmokid2005I don't know how long it's been like this, but I noticed it when I started taking more pictures with night mode in low light because it works sooo much better01:42
luke-jrGizmokid2005: it *doesn't* have an optical zoom…01:43
Gizmokid2005it does.01:43
asjGizmokid2005: just tested, no I have not seen that01:43
Gizmokid2005not optical01:43
Gizmokid2005I mean digital01:43
Gizmokid2005it's been one of those days.01:43
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asjGizmokid2005: I set the edges of my monitor to fill the image, click on mode->night, then mode->automatic and there is no change01:44
Gizmokid2005asj: I go fullscreen as well...take a picture with night mode...then go back to automatic01:44
luke-jrGizmokid2005: digital zoom is just software crap01:44
Gizmokid2005and if you notice, it looks like everything is zoomed in...if you go to the settings, change the resolution to (for instance) 3.5M and then back to 5M, you'll see a difference01:45
asjGizmokid2005: this is full screen...I still have the icons on the side01:45
Gizmokid2005I know that luke-jr. I don't even use it.01:45
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Gizmokid2005I know asj, I was just confirming01:45
luke-jryou said "still"01:45
asjGizmokid2005: so no, I can't conmfirm that bug01:45
Gizmokid2005that's what is most peculiar luke-jr. I do NOT zoom in either mode.01:45
jacekowskiluke-jr: ekhm?01:45
luke-jrjacekowski: foreig?01:45
jacekowskiluke-jr: i was thinking that it has optical zoom01:45
jacekowskin95 had optical zoom01:45
alteregoMine didn't01:46
asjwhich n95?01:46
Gizmokid2005it seems to "zoom in" as soon as I hit automatic after taking a picture.01:46
jacekowskioO01:46
Gizmokid2005(in night mode that is)01:46
jacekowskithat's new to me01:46
Gizmokid2005but like I said, if I toggle resolutions it's fine.01:46
Noman93 had optical zoom01:47
Nomanot n9501:47
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DocScrutinizer~botsnack03:36
infobotDocScrutinizer: :)03:36
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luke-jr~botsnack03:41
infobotaw, gee, luke-jr03:41
SpeedEvil~botsmack03:41
infobotOWW!03:41
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luke-jr~botsnack03:41
infobot:), luke-jr03:41
SpeedEvilecho adsl connection --tones 0 32 0xffff07f0 32 224 0xffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff7f03:48
SpeedEvilargh03:48
ptlo003:48
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b-man`~botsnack04:15
infobot:), b-man`04:15
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jaemHello folks.04:26
Mr_NobuSuo04:26
johnxhallo jaem04:28
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jaemMy (non-retail) N900 has started periodically deciding that there is no SIM card inserted.  This started a week or two ago, and now happens a couple of times per day.  Are there any diagnostic/status features for the radio that I can check before sending it in?04:29
jaemIt belongs to my university, so we'll probably deal with the local office directly, but I want to be able to give them a better report than what I just said here.04:30
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johnxHave you tried a different SIM?04:34
johnxie, can you have your phone company give you a new one to test?04:34
SpeedEvil https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10307 look familiar jaem?04:36
povbotBug 10307: Unregistered SIM error04:36
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jaemOh, lovely. :/04:40
jaemYeah, that sounds like it.  I assumed it was the phone, and hadn't had time to look into it.  Come to think of it, though, despite possessing the phone since just before launch, I have only had a SIM in it since a bit after that report.04:42
jaemWell, thanks for clearing that up.04:42
jaemSigh... I like this phone, but good grief. >_<04:42
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* johnx wonders if that might be two bugs interacting together ...04:49
SpeedEviljohnx: I suspect so04:50
SpeedEvilI'm seeing a similar bug - though no modem resets04:50
johnxso I bet yours gets triggered less often04:50
johnxprobably n/m times the modem resets it has a chance to fail at registering the SIM04:51
SpeedEvilhangon04:51
SpeedEvilyeah - I have no unexplained modem resets showing in syslog04:53
johnxhuh04:53
johnxwell that shoots my theory to hell04:53
johnxdoes your log go as far back as the last time it lost the SIM?04:54
SpeedEvilAug 21 02:50:01 Nokia-N900-02-8 iap_conndlg 2.86+0m5[1302]: Unable to show SIM registration failed dialog04:54
SpeedEvilbut I get these quite often04:54
johnxdo you use airplane mode and/or some applet to switch off the GSM modem?04:55
SpeedEvilno.04:55
SpeedEvilI do use 2g/3g switcher applet04:55
johnxdo the time correspond?04:55
SpeedEvilno04:55
johnxdo the times correspond to a certain location you pass?04:56
SpeedEvilIf set to 'dual' it will someimes die, and not come back till I offline/online the modem somehow04:56
SpeedEvilmaybe04:56
SpeedEvilI need to write a GPS/cellmo logger04:56
SpeedEvilProblem is that I'm basically using it round the house.04:56
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: ./gps3 > log ?05:03
SpeedEvil?05:03
SpeedEviloh - yeah05:03
SpeedEvilbut I also have to do the dbus logging and correlation and meh.05:03
SpeedEvilI need to find 10 min to write it when I'm feeling OK.05:03
luke-jras to 'and not come back till I offline/online the modem somehow', I think cellmo just doesn't retry often05:03
luke-jrwhat logging/correlation?05:04
SpeedEvilwhen it falls off net05:04
SpeedEvilAnd it seems to be persistant.05:04
SpeedEvilIt will not come back after several minutes in good signal05:04
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: like I said, I think because it doesn't check again for N minutes05:07
luke-jrwhere N is some multiple of 15 minutes05:07
SpeedEvilhnn05:09
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Macerok. how the hell does this facebook im work in telepathy?06:04
pupnikbottom. of. pacific. ocean.06:08
Macerah. never mind. got it working06:08
Macerblah06:08
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luke-jrMacer: same way it works in any XMPP client06:20
Macerluke-jr: pr 1.2 has an actual client06:20
luke-jrMacer: your point? it's not related to telepathy06:20
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Maceruhm06:24
Macertelepathy is the client :)06:25
Maceri said nevermind. i got it working. miss that part?06:25
Macernot sure if it was in 1.1.. but 1.2 has fb in telepathy. i just had a problem with the pw for some reason. i just changed it and it logged in just fine06:26
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Macerwell. i guess fb doesn't do s2s for jabber?06:40
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GAN900HDMI is such a pain in the ass.06:46
GAN900HDCP. The content cartels need to be broken up already.06:46
asjMacer: you can do jaber with fb yes06:47
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GAN900Killing browserd, Modest and rtcom-messaging-ui fixes my slowness here.06:49
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pupnikGAN900: thoughts on the N9?  Must-buy?06:56
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GAN900pupnik, I will not be buying unless it's discounted or free.07:04
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GAN900Had enough of Nokia's customer and community abuse.07:04
pupnikI think you were unfortunate to be heavily involved in t.m.o. when the n900 user flood hit07:06
Macerasj: no need. there is an actual fb acct setting07:08
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GAN900pupnik_, unfortunate, perhaps, but it doesn't have much to do with my opinions now.07:31
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ham5send a buncha texts I want to cancel now how??08:00
ham5file I can rm?08:00
timeless_mbp??08:01
timeless_mbp1. go offline <immediately>08:01
pigeoncan you disable the compositing on the n900?08:01
timeless_mbp2. if they're already 'sent', it's too late08:01
timeless_mbp3. if they aren't, you can just delete them from the ui08:02
timeless_mbp4. go back online08:02
ham5I tried rebooting... soon as it came to the desktop it started sending again08:02
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ham5why does the rss applet sometimes go blank and say no posts?08:07
ham5shouldent they always stay on?08:07
pupnik_pigeon: not practically08:07
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johnxgood morning, Europe10:21
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keriohi10:30
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johnxmornin' kerio10:30
Stskeepsmorn johnx10:30
johnxhey Stskeeps10:31
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mikki-kunhey everybody, anybody an idea how following python problems can be solved? http://pastebin.com/pCJEYRKV <--- output and here my 'dpkg -l | grep python' output --> http://pastebin.com/3zUSwMe210:42
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luke-jrStskeeps: erm, distribution generally *IS* disallowed by default10:43
JaffaMorning, all10:44
Jaffatimeless_mbp: pong10:44
Stskeepsluke-jr: i asked for clarification too10:44
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timeless_mbpJaffa:  so...10:47
timeless_mbpi'm getting annoyed at the fact that i don't have a good way to get photos for people in my addressbook10:47
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timeless_mbpcan you help me? :)10:47
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LynoureThe bad way is getting them manually?10:48
luke-jrtimeless_mbp: try Facebook10:48
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johnxtimeless_mbp, you want me to take photos of people?10:49
johnxcan it be any people?10:49
timeless_mbpjohnx:  nah, there's this guy who lives in the basement who did all the hard work10:50
Jaffatimeless_mbp: Yes, I have a tool which might help :-)10:50
timeless_mbpi just want some advice on how to take advantage of him10:50
johnxO_o;10:50
Jaffatimeless_mbp: ...although since I doubt you use Facebook, Twitter or LinkedIn the only two which might help you are Gravatar (for people with email addresses) and the under-development maemo.org provider10:50
timeless_mbpJaffa:  i'm considering my own provider10:51
timeless_mbphttp://myservice/getphoto?user=email@well-known-domain.com10:51
timeless_mbpJaffa: i'd actually like to consider an open source implementation of 'getphoto'10:51
timeless_mbpthe goal is for it to autoconfigure10:52
Jaffatimeless_mbp: Interesting.10:52
timeless_mbpyou ask it to load a url and tell it the urlpart that varies10:52
timeless_mbpit downloads all pictures on the page10:52
Jaffatimeless_mbp: Provider API is pretty straightforward: populate a Friend object with stuff and the rest takes care of itself10:52
timeless_mbpand blacklists all the ones whose aspect ratio is 2:1/1:2 or worse10:52
timeless_mbpthen show the user the rest of the pictures. the user selects one10:53
timeless_mbpand you blacklist everything else10:53
timeless_mbpideally w/ this approach you auto tune in one go10:53
timeless_mbpyou ask the user to try a couple more contacts to verify it works, and then the user configures the autotuned provider w/ your thing and moves along10:53
johnxmaybe I'm being dumb, but where does getphoto get the pics from?10:54
timeless_mbpjohnx: ever worked for a company?10:54
Appiahthe internetz!10:54
johnxtimeless, ah, LDAP?10:54
timeless_mbpAppiah:  nah, the other one.10:54
timeless_mbpIntranet10:54
timeless_mbpjohnx:  sadly, no. intranet "phonebook"10:54
johnxactually, we were close to putting employee 'profiles' in LDAP, but ended up going with a drupal as the definitive source10:55
johnxwe may copy it into LDAP though10:55
zashvCard?10:55
timeless_mbpthe vcards i have don't seem to have photos sadly10:56
zashCalDAV?10:56
timeless_mbphence the web scraping magic10:56
johnxCardDAV would be awesome. Not one really good mature open source implementation though that I know of10:56
zashjohnx: AFAIK at least evolution works fine with storing vCards in plain WebDAV10:57
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johnxthat's good to know for me at home10:57
johnxwe're mac on the desktop at work though10:57
johnxand actually, I oscillate between tolerating evolution and loathing it, on alternate days10:58
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luke-jrone of the companies I work for issues me a laptop… I had to choose between Thinkpad and MacBook Pro… even with the VMWare layer between the hardware and Linux, I think MBP was the better system tho :P10:58
* timeless_mbp nods10:59
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johnxwhich is funny, because I got a macbook from work and I keep looking at getting a thinkpad x series for home/travel10:59
luke-jrwell, teh Thinkpad was like Pentium M generation…10:59
johnxwell, yeah, that'd be a deal breaker for me10:59
johnxI'd take an X201 or X200, but I think I'd pass on an X61 or X60, to say nothing of the older ones11:00
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timeless_mbpJaffa: right...11:01
timeless_mbpso what is this Friend object?11:01
timeless_mbpand where is this doc?11:01
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blubbiHi, can anyone tell me how I can get "py_compilefiles" to work on the build system? I always tells met that it is not found...11:04
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Jaffatimeless_mbp: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=tree;f=package;h=f67e141e750041f9a89864d145ef3dc746a7f6d4;hb=HEAD (src & tests should help)11:18
Jaffatimeless_mbp: and, more specifically, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=blob;f=package/src/org/maemo/hermes/engine/friend.py;h=632f33af551c55a2b2289e4f61659032165b0235;hb=HEAD11:19
Jaffatimeless_mbp: See the gravatar service for something closest to what you want11:19
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_|Nix|_X-Fade: Ping! I suspect that hildon-extras-scanner is hanging again, and this time on i386, but I'm not sure :( Can you please check out what's going on with the build process for libhildon-extras_0.9.2?11:47
X-Fade_|Nix|_: Ok, let me check.11:47
X-Fade_|Nix|_: Yes, nice Xvfb running ;)11:48
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crashanddieJaffa: around?11:55
hrwcrashanddie: I just had to ask the same ;E11:56
crashanddiehrw: bonus points if it's about perl11:56
Jaffacrashanddie: pong11:56
crashanddieJaffa: do you mind sharing the perl script you're using for MWKN?11:56
crashanddieJaffa: I just need a quick reference, and that script has everything I need11:57
Jaffacrashanddie: It's all in svn - https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=mwkn11:57
crashanddiethanks11:57
hrwcrashanddie: no, I am n00b at perl11:57
X-Fade_|Nix|_: Looks a lot better now ;)11:58
hrwJaffa: would it be possible to implement bug 8743 in hermes?11:58
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8743 No way to get contact informations from IM system11:58
Jaffahrw: Theoretically, yes.11:59
Jaffahrw: Do you know how the "check contact VCard on IM system" bit works?11:59
hrwno11:59
Jaffahrw: I suspect it's protocol specific rather than a separate web service or RESTful API12:00
hrwxmpp would be enough for me ;D12:00
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Jaffa:-)12:03
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Jaffahrw: If it's an XMPP packet, there are two interesting bits: 1) getting an authenticated session to the server so that the request can be made; 2) knowing what to request12:04
hrwyep12:04
X-FadeJaffa: There should be libs for that?12:06
hrwpython-pyxmpp handles that12:08
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