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| tobis87 | Anyway, nothing can beat this crypto engine: http://kryptochef.net/indexh2e.htm and the comment from schneider is the best of all http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/06/the_doghouse_kr.html :-D | 00:12 |
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| mece | 'ello | 00:14 |
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| crashanddie | tobis: "Everything can be a KRYPTO key, either randomly computed information, or computed information or not computed information" | 00:47 |
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| b-man` | it looks like there is some facial recognition software being developed for the N900 :) http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/philip.tresadern/proj_facerec.htm | 00:49 |
| lcuk | b-man`, yeah its been around a while but caught up on | 00:50 |
| * lcuk should visit him | 00:50 | |
| lcuk | its in manchester :) | 00:50 |
| b-man` | sure :) | 00:50 |
| b-man` | lcuk, you should show them your liqbase and onedotzero stuff :) | 00:51 |
| lcuk | b-man`, I was thinking my invar actually | 00:53 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 00:53 |
| lcuk | use facial recognition with the ui :) | 00:53 |
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| b-man` | yeah :) | 00:54 |
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| b-man` | lcuk: they'd be quite fascinated by that | 00:55 |
| lcuk | :) mee to | 00:56 |
| lcuk | b-man`, I took a photo of some notes I had made on my pad | 00:56 |
| lcuk | and setup invar to show them | 00:56 |
| lcuk | so my n900 was sat on a blank page | 00:56 |
| lcuk | but where I moved it the notes showed through :) | 00:56 |
| lcuk | in their original place :D | 00:57 |
| b-man` | heh :D | 00:57 |
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| pupnik | thinkpads are pretty awesome | 01:06 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | has anyone else noticed an issue when you set the camera to night mode, and then change it back, it seems as if the lens stays "zoomed in"...you can fix it by going to the settings and changing the resolution to a lower one and then back to 5M. | 01:37 |
| Gizmokid2005 | anyone? | 01:37 |
| pupnik | interesting | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | Gizmokid2005: how? N900 doesn't have zoom… O.o | 01:41 |
| Gizmokid2005 | it does have an optical zoom, but that's what i mean...it acts like it's still "zoomed" in. | 01:42 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | I don't know how long it's been like this, but I noticed it when I started taking more pictures with night mode in low light because it works sooo much better | 01:42 |
| luke-jr | Gizmokid2005: it *doesn't* have an optical zoom… | 01:43 |
| Gizmokid2005 | it does. | 01:43 |
| asj | Gizmokid2005: just tested, no I have not seen that | 01:43 |
| Gizmokid2005 | not optical | 01:43 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I mean digital | 01:43 |
| Gizmokid2005 | it's been one of those days. | 01:43 |
| * Gizmokid2005 headdesks | 01:44 | |
| asj | Gizmokid2005: I set the edges of my monitor to fill the image, click on mode->night, then mode->automatic and there is no change | 01:44 |
| Gizmokid2005 | asj: I go fullscreen as well...take a picture with night mode...then go back to automatic | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | Gizmokid2005: digital zoom is just software crap | 01:44 |
| Gizmokid2005 | and if you notice, it looks like everything is zoomed in...if you go to the settings, change the resolution to (for instance) 3.5M and then back to 5M, you'll see a difference | 01:45 |
| asj | Gizmokid2005: this is full screen...I still have the icons on the side | 01:45 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I know that luke-jr. I don't even use it. | 01:45 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | I know asj, I was just confirming | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | you said "still" | 01:45 |
| asj | Gizmokid2005: so no, I can't conmfirm that bug | 01:45 |
| Gizmokid2005 | that's what is most peculiar luke-jr. I do NOT zoom in either mode. | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: ekhm? | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: foreig? | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: i was thinking that it has optical zoom | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | n95 had optical zoom | 01:45 |
| alterego | Mine didn't | 01:46 |
| asj | which n95? | 01:46 |
| Gizmokid2005 | it seems to "zoom in" as soon as I hit automatic after taking a picture. | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | oO | 01:46 |
| Gizmokid2005 | (in night mode that is) | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | that's new to me | 01:46 |
| Gizmokid2005 | but like I said, if I toggle resolutions it's fine. | 01:46 |
| Noma | n93 had optical zoom | 01:47 |
| Noma | not n95 | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 03:36 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) | 03:36 |
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| luke-jr | ~botsnack | 03:41 |
| infobot | aw, gee, luke-jr | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | ~botsmack | 03:41 |
| infobot | OWW! | 03:41 |
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| luke-jr | ~botsnack | 03:41 |
| infobot | :), luke-jr | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | echo adsl connection --tones 0 32 0xffff07f0 32 224 0xffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff7f | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | argh | 03:48 |
| ptl | o0 | 03:48 |
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| b-man` | ~botsnack | 04:15 |
| infobot | :), b-man` | 04:15 |
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| jaem | Hello folks. | 04:26 |
| Mr_Nobu | Suo | 04:26 |
| johnx | hallo jaem | 04:28 |
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| jaem | My (non-retail) N900 has started periodically deciding that there is no SIM card inserted. This started a week or two ago, and now happens a couple of times per day. Are there any diagnostic/status features for the radio that I can check before sending it in? | 04:29 |
| jaem | It belongs to my university, so we'll probably deal with the local office directly, but I want to be able to give them a better report than what I just said here. | 04:30 |
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| johnx | Have you tried a different SIM? | 04:34 |
| johnx | ie, can you have your phone company give you a new one to test? | 04:34 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10307 look familiar jaem? | 04:36 |
| povbot | Bug 10307: Unregistered SIM error | 04:36 |
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| jaem | Oh, lovely. :/ | 04:40 |
| jaem | Yeah, that sounds like it. I assumed it was the phone, and hadn't had time to look into it. Come to think of it, though, despite possessing the phone since just before launch, I have only had a SIM in it since a bit after that report. | 04:42 |
| jaem | Well, thanks for clearing that up. | 04:42 |
| jaem | Sigh... I like this phone, but good grief. >_< | 04:42 |
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| * johnx wonders if that might be two bugs interacting together ... | 04:49 | |
| SpeedEvil | johnx: I suspect so | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm seeing a similar bug - though no modem resets | 04:50 |
| johnx | so I bet yours gets triggered less often | 04:50 |
| johnx | probably n/m times the modem resets it has a chance to fail at registering the SIM | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | hangon | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - I have no unexplained modem resets showing in syslog | 04:53 |
| johnx | huh | 04:53 |
| johnx | well that shoots my theory to hell | 04:53 |
| johnx | does your log go as far back as the last time it lost the SIM? | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Aug 21 02:50:01 Nokia-N900-02-8 iap_conndlg 2.86+0m5[1302]: Unable to show SIM registration failed dialog | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | but I get these quite often | 04:54 |
| johnx | do you use airplane mode and/or some applet to switch off the GSM modem? | 04:55 |
| SpeedEvil | no. | 04:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I do use 2g/3g switcher applet | 04:55 |
| johnx | do the time correspond? | 04:55 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 04:55 |
| johnx | do the times correspond to a certain location you pass? | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | If set to 'dual' it will someimes die, and not come back till I offline/online the modem somehow | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to write a GPS/cellmo logger | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Problem is that I'm basically using it round the house. | 04:56 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: ./gps3 > log ? | 05:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 05:03 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - yeah | 05:03 |
| SpeedEvil | but I also have to do the dbus logging and correlation and meh. | 05:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to find 10 min to write it when I'm feeling OK. | 05:03 |
| luke-jr | as to 'and not come back till I offline/online the modem somehow', I think cellmo just doesn't retry often | 05:03 |
| luke-jr | what logging/correlation? | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | when it falls off net | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | And it seems to be persistant. | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | It will not come back after several minutes in good signal | 05:04 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: like I said, I think because it doesn't check again for N minutes | 05:07 |
| luke-jr | where N is some multiple of 15 minutes | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | hnn | 05:09 |
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| Macer | ok. how the hell does this facebook im work in telepathy? | 06:04 |
| pupnik | bottom. of. pacific. ocean. | 06:08 |
| Macer | ah. never mind. got it working | 06:08 |
| Macer | blah | 06:08 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: same way it works in any XMPP client | 06:20 |
| Macer | luke-jr: pr 1.2 has an actual client | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | Macer: your point? it's not related to telepathy | 06:20 |
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| Macer | uhm | 06:24 |
| Macer | telepathy is the client :) | 06:25 |
| Macer | i said nevermind. i got it working. miss that part? | 06:25 |
| Macer | not sure if it was in 1.1.. but 1.2 has fb in telepathy. i just had a problem with the pw for some reason. i just changed it and it logged in just fine | 06:26 |
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| Macer | well. i guess fb doesn't do s2s for jabber? | 06:40 |
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| GAN900 | HDMI is such a pain in the ass. | 06:46 |
| GAN900 | HDCP. The content cartels need to be broken up already. | 06:46 |
| asj | Macer: you can do jaber with fb yes | 06:47 |
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| GAN900 | Killing browserd, Modest and rtcom-messaging-ui fixes my slowness here. | 06:49 |
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| pupnik | GAN900: thoughts on the N9? Must-buy? | 06:56 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, I will not be buying unless it's discounted or free. | 07:04 |
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| GAN900 | Had enough of Nokia's customer and community abuse. | 07:04 |
| pupnik | I think you were unfortunate to be heavily involved in t.m.o. when the n900 user flood hit | 07:06 |
| Macer | asj: no need. there is an actual fb acct setting | 07:08 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik_, unfortunate, perhaps, but it doesn't have much to do with my opinions now. | 07:31 |
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| ham5 | send a buncha texts I want to cancel now how?? | 08:00 |
| ham5 | file I can rm? | 08:00 |
| timeless_mbp | ?? | 08:01 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. go offline <immediately> | 08:01 |
| pigeon | can you disable the compositing on the n900? | 08:01 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. if they're already 'sent', it's too late | 08:01 |
| timeless_mbp | 3. if they aren't, you can just delete them from the ui | 08:02 |
| timeless_mbp | 4. go back online | 08:02 |
| ham5 | I tried rebooting... soon as it came to the desktop it started sending again | 08:02 |
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| * ham5 trees | 08:02 | |
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| ham5 | why does the rss applet sometimes go blank and say no posts? | 08:07 |
| ham5 | shouldent they always stay on? | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | pigeon: not practically | 08:07 |
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| mikki-kun | hey everybody, anybody an idea how following python problems can be solved? http://pastebin.com/pCJEYRKV <--- output and here my 'dpkg -l | grep python' output --> http://pastebin.com/3zUSwMe2 | 10:42 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: erm, distribution generally *IS* disallowed by default | 10:43 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:44 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: pong | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i asked for clarification too | 10:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: so... | 10:47 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm getting annoyed at the fact that i don't have a good way to get photos for people in my addressbook | 10:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | can you help me? :) | 10:47 |
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| Lynoure | The bad way is getting them manually? | 10:48 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: try Facebook | 10:48 |
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| johnx | timeless_mbp, you want me to take photos of people? | 10:49 |
| johnx | can it be any people? | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: nah, there's this guy who lives in the basement who did all the hard work | 10:50 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Yes, I have a tool which might help :-) | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i just want some advice on how to take advantage of him | 10:50 |
| johnx | O_o; | 10:50 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: ...although since I doubt you use Facebook, Twitter or LinkedIn the only two which might help you are Gravatar (for people with email addresses) and the under-development maemo.org provider | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: i'm considering my own provider | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | http://myservice/getphoto?user=email@well-known-domain.com | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: i'd actually like to consider an open source implementation of 'getphoto' | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | the goal is for it to autoconfigure | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Interesting. | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | you ask it to load a url and tell it the urlpart that varies | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | it downloads all pictures on the page | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Provider API is pretty straightforward: populate a Friend object with stuff and the rest takes care of itself | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | and blacklists all the ones whose aspect ratio is 2:1/1:2 or worse | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | then show the user the rest of the pictures. the user selects one | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | and you blacklist everything else | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | ideally w/ this approach you auto tune in one go | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | you ask the user to try a couple more contacts to verify it works, and then the user configures the autotuned provider w/ your thing and moves along | 10:53 |
| johnx | maybe I'm being dumb, but where does getphoto get the pics from? | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: ever worked for a company? | 10:54 |
| Appiah | the internetz! | 10:54 |
| johnx | timeless, ah, LDAP? | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Appiah: nah, the other one. | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Intranet | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: sadly, no. intranet "phonebook" | 10:54 |
| johnx | actually, we were close to putting employee 'profiles' in LDAP, but ended up going with a drupal as the definitive source | 10:55 |
| johnx | we may copy it into LDAP though | 10:55 |
| zash | vCard? | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | the vcards i have don't seem to have photos sadly | 10:56 |
| zash | CalDAV? | 10:56 |
| timeless_mbp | hence the web scraping magic | 10:56 |
| johnx | CardDAV would be awesome. Not one really good mature open source implementation though that I know of | 10:56 |
| zash | johnx: AFAIK at least evolution works fine with storing vCards in plain WebDAV | 10:57 |
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| johnx | that's good to know for me at home | 10:57 |
| johnx | we're mac on the desktop at work though | 10:57 |
| johnx | and actually, I oscillate between tolerating evolution and loathing it, on alternate days | 10:58 |
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| luke-jr | one of the companies I work for issues me a laptop… I had to choose between Thinkpad and MacBook Pro… even with the VMWare layer between the hardware and Linux, I think MBP was the better system tho :P | 10:58 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 10:59 | |
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| johnx | which is funny, because I got a macbook from work and I keep looking at getting a thinkpad x series for home/travel | 10:59 |
| luke-jr | well, teh Thinkpad was like Pentium M generation… | 10:59 |
| johnx | well, yeah, that'd be a deal breaker for me | 10:59 |
| johnx | I'd take an X201 or X200, but I think I'd pass on an X61 or X60, to say nothing of the older ones | 11:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: right... | 11:01 |
| timeless_mbp | so what is this Friend object? | 11:01 |
| timeless_mbp | and where is this doc? | 11:01 |
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| blubbi | Hi, can anyone tell me how I can get "py_compilefiles" to work on the build system? I always tells met that it is not found... | 11:04 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=tree;f=package;h=f67e141e750041f9a89864d145ef3dc746a7f6d4;hb=HEAD (src & tests should help) | 11:18 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: and, more specifically, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=blob;f=package/src/org/maemo/hermes/engine/friend.py;h=632f33af551c55a2b2289e4f61659032165b0235;hb=HEAD | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: See the gravatar service for something closest to what you want | 11:19 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Ping! I suspect that hildon-extras-scanner is hanging again, and this time on i386, but I'm not sure :( Can you please check out what's going on with the build process for libhildon-extras_0.9.2? | 11:47 |
| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Ok, let me check. | 11:47 |
| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Yes, nice Xvfb running ;) | 11:48 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: around? | 11:55 |
| hrw | crashanddie: I just had to ask the same ;E | 11:56 |
| crashanddie | hrw: bonus points if it's about perl | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: pong | 11:56 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: do you mind sharing the perl script you're using for MWKN? | 11:56 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I just need a quick reference, and that script has everything I need | 11:57 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: It's all in svn - https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=mwkn | 11:57 |
| crashanddie | thanks | 11:57 |
| hrw | crashanddie: no, I am n00b at perl | 11:57 |
| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Looks a lot better now ;) | 11:58 |
| hrw | Jaffa: would it be possible to implement bug 8743 in hermes? | 11:58 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8743 No way to get contact informations from IM system | 11:58 |
| Jaffa | hrw: Theoretically, yes. | 11:59 |
| Jaffa | hrw: Do you know how the "check contact VCard on IM system" bit works? | 11:59 |
| hrw | no | 11:59 |
| Jaffa | hrw: I suspect it's protocol specific rather than a separate web service or RESTful API | 12:00 |
| hrw | xmpp would be enough for me ;D | 12:00 |
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| Jaffa | :-) | 12:03 |
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| Jaffa | hrw: If it's an XMPP packet, there are two interesting bits: 1) getting an authenticated session to the server so that the request can be made; 2) knowing what to request | 12:04 |
| hrw | yep | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: There should be libs for that? | 12:06 |
| hrw | python-pyxmpp handles that | 12:08 |
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| ShadowJK | Hey that's weird, without bme running, I get no sound in earphone during calls | 12:50 |
| ShadowJK | though speakerphone works | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrhrrrhrr | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme actually has some channel to PA opened iirc | 12:51 |
| ShadowJK | ya | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | which module links to bmeipc? | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:52 |
| ShadowJK | iirc it had a nokia in the name | 12:52 |
| ShadowJK | libnokia-common.so | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | completely unclear once more (due to missing system integration specs for bme) what all that PA cruft in BME is meant for | 12:53 |
| ShadowJK | module-nokia-music.so | 12:53 |
| ShadowJK | module-nokia-record.so | 12:53 |
| ShadowJK | module-nokia-voice.so | 12:53 |
| ShadowJK | Ah well, it was only a telemarketer I went "Hello! Hello? Hello?... Heeellllooo !?" at | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | @#!!¬đ€đß!!?! | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | those are oss now i believe | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS :-( | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: those are open now, to my knowledge | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke closed source nokia magic | 12:57 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at closed source nokia magic ... B☢☢M! | 12:57 | |
| ShadowJK | maybe one could have a massive LD_PRELOAD infront of the real bme to make it think it's doing something useful :-) | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | RE made easy, you even get uncommented calls to the blob functions in disclosed source of other proprietary crap now | 12:57 |
| ShadowJK | but that's like a week of writing ioctl emulations :/ | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're lucky you even might figure what all this BS is meant for | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-modules-meego | 12:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ...sometimes | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/Battery/Bullshit/ | 12:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314#c25 has it all, to the point | 13:02 |
| povbot | Bug 9314: Relicense BME | 13:02 |
| ShadowJK | A quick look and I find no reference to bme in those sources :/ | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, you bet | 13:03 |
| ShadowJK | maybe one could compile those meego modules and put them in maemo5 :-) | 13:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see <DocScrutinizer> RE made easy, ... | 13:04 |
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| ShadowJK | man those guys on t.m.o. tearing their hairs out trying to make their N900 reproduce music without butchering it would bang their heads into their desks if they saw the -music module code | 13:08 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm? | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | [citation needed] | 13:09 |
| ShadowJK | Some people experience dynamic range compression to the equivalent of having someone drilling into your skull through your ears | 13:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I gather that's no quote from source :-P | 13:12 |
| ShadowJK | no | 13:12 |
| ShadowJK | that's a summary of the now hair-less people on tmo | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | dyn compression for sure is a *BAD* idea generally, for music playback | 13:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it might be sensible for ringtone playback, but that's it then | 13:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a soft limiter for music might be useful, also massive dyn compr. for speakerphone is a standard procedure | 13:14 |
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| pupnik_ | ShadowJK: reproduce music on those speakers? Headphone audio is said to be very good/.// | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a reason for all but the most cheap crappy tape recorders with ALC have 2 settings: music & voice | 13:16 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik_, they are experiencing compression on the headphone output too | 13:16 |
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| pupnik_ | that can be easily measured | 13:16 |
| Scelt | why n900 doesn't resend automatically smses which fail to be delivered? | 13:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Scelt: fail like what? there's been reports of phones with this nice option creating $$$$$ bills for their users, when sending SMS abroad | 13:17 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik_, yeah he did, iirc | 13:18 |
| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: when SMS fails to be delivered, it just shows a red triangle as a sign of an error but I have to resend it manually | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Scelt: I'd not want it any other way, tbh | 13:19 |
| pupnik_ | feature, not bug for reasons DocScrutinizer said | 13:19 |
| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: I would. If I wanted to send it already, why wouldn't I want it to be delivered? | 13:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Scelt: sending SMS to 197001010000 would result in E:NO-VALID-NUMBER but you are charged for that SMS. Now phone resends 3 SMS / second. Nice, huh :-P | 13:21 |
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| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: I don't have a habbit to send sms to invalid numbers :P | 13:23 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, is this a bad idea? wanna tell them why? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=796220 | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik N900 actually tries resend as long as failure is caused to missing connectivity. Once the SMS is sent, it's sent | 13:23 |
| ShadowJK | I'd imagine it'd put a pretty big load on the capacitors, and wikipedia tells me they wear out faster | 13:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Scelt: (sent is sent) no matter if the SMS fails to deliver | 13:25 |
| FxIII | hi all! | 13:25 |
| FxIII | full newbie question | 13:25 |
| FxIII | i had downloaded the sdk | 13:25 |
| FxIII | how to see the emulator? | 13:26 |
| FxIII | have I to start a xephyr on :2? | 13:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: there's a link in there to my hotswap post. Nothing more to say | 13:28 |
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| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: Usually operators should tell why sms delivery fails. N900 could do logical action considering that | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (load on capacitors) hm? well, there's a bit of increased load to the main buffering cap (100uF iirc), but that's a ceram type and those don't wear out | 13:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Scelt: It could, maybe. And it does, in my POV. The only logical action is to NOT send again, until user decides to scrutinize the SMS and figure if the destination is E:WRONG-NUMBER, E:MOVED-PERMANENTLY or E:NO-FREE-STORAGE | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's still a friggin lot of phones out there, that actually refuse to accept new SMS when user fails to delete old SMS from storage | 13:33 |
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| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: it could be optional. And it could try to send that SMS after 5 minutes once instead of spamming 10 times a minute | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Scelt: general rule of thumb: device MUST NOT start any action that causes fees charged to user, without user's explicit permission for the exact amount it will charge to user's account | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~2119 | 13:35 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 13:35 |
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| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: I know but it's also crappy to notice after few hours that your sms didn't deliver for some bullshit reason | 13:38 |
| ShadowJK | though phone usually has no clue about what costs money and what does not | 13:38 |
| pupnik_ | FxIII: yes | 13:40 |
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| FxIII | I run `Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb &` | 13:50 |
| FxIII | but i cant see the desktop, just a black screen and the programs i tested | 13:50 |
| FxIII | ( it makes sense for me but i dont know how to start the desktop) | 13:50 |
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| FxIII | isnt there a startSomething command in path to start the desktop manager? | 13:55 |
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| xiwang | hi, i have added QT+=maemo5 in my pro file, but still it says QMaemo5InformationBox no such file or directory, any advice? | 14:01 |
| Termana | FxIII: /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop start? or maybe try upstart --up hildon-desktop | 14:02 |
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| phrearch | hi | 14:46 |
| phrearch | im trying to set my n900 to 1ghz using kernel-config load ideal_1000, but it doesnt seem to switch | 14:46 |
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| phrearch | ideal works for 850 though | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | ~oc | 14:47 |
| infobot | methinks oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | ~overclocking | 14:47 |
| infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" | 14:47 |
| kerio | lol jacekowski | 14:48 |
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| phrearch | :) | 14:58 |
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| * Jaffa foods | 14:58 | |
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| phrearch | already got it. its just in case i need some more speed from it | 14:59 |
| phrearch | most of the time its probably better to uc it | 14:59 |
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| pupnik_ | The adventures of 'lil cthulhu' ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOHJUrcVdJk | 15:05 |
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| Khertan | Hi all ! | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (phone usually has no clue) that's the precise rationale to NOT resend SMS on arbitrary failure to deliver | 15:51 |
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| raster | RST38h: blergh! | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | blergh? | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ehlo RST38h | 16:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | Khertan: btw, I didn't manage to understand or use pypackager so when I just fixed py2deb (fixed the wrong XMBC bugtracker link and added pretty name support) | 16:58 |
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| Khertan | Shapeshifter, http://khertan.net/pypackager_howto | 17:01 |
| Khertan | pypackager == py2deb + other features | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: Any screenshots of Khweeter, BTW? | 17:02 |
| Khertan | Jaffa, http://khertan.net/khweeteur | 17:02 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: Cool, Thanks | 17:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | cool words of the day: | 17:04 |
| timeless_mbp | add-dons; add-dress | 17:04 |
| Khertan | gnié ? | 17:04 |
| Khertan | going back to work :) | 17:05 |
| timeless_mbp | nah, taking a break to survey the world | 17:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | that sounds bad | 17:07 |
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| Shapeshifter | Khertan: yeah but it didn't work | 17:07 |
| an1n | well, wrong complete | 17:07 |
| an1n | <.< | 17:07 |
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| Shapeshifter | Khertan: I can't remember what didn't | 17:07 |
| RST38h | lardman: But why, WHY? | 17:07 |
| Khertan | Shapeshifter, it work | 17:07 |
| Shapeshifter | but I consider myself not to be complete computer illiterate >.> but it didn't, something was broken | 17:08 |
| lardman | RST38h: MATLAB or GUI? | 17:08 |
| Khertan | Shapeshifter, i use it from khteditor, pypackager, pygtkeditor and many others | 17:08 |
| Shapeshifter | I'll try next time | 17:08 |
| Khertan | s/from/fro | 17:08 |
| Khertan | s/from/for | 17:08 |
| RST38h | lardman: Matlab GUI | 17:08 |
| RST38h | lardman: isn't command line sufficient? | 17:09 |
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| lardman | yeah, well I need to arbitrarily combine images, command line doesn't cut it there | 17:09 |
| lardman | combine, look, goto 1 | 17:09 |
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| RST38h | ah | 17:10 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Could you please do another kill? | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Done | 17:15 |
| _|Nix|_ | Thanks! | 17:15 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: It immediately succeeds afterwards ... does the buildbot attempt to switch to a different target before calling the build successful? | 17:15 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: It shouldn't matter if the build process leaves some processes running after itself ... | 17:16 |
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| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: It just runs the armel build and then the i386 one. | 17:17 |
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| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: But obviously something keeps waiting.. | 17:18 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: I checked and this happens: It starts the X server. It kills the server. It starts the server. | 17:29 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: I'm trying to juggle the debian targets so the last thing it does is kill the server. | 17:29 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: ... because starting the server causes it to be killed first, so there's no risk of running multiple servers. Besides, you can't run multiple X servers for the same display. | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: But obviously something is waiting for something to finish? | 17:31 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Judging from https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libhildon-extras_0.9.2-3/armel.build.log.OK.txt it should be OK. But lessee what happens on i386 ... | 17:31 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: The only thing I can think of is the leftover running process ... | 17:31 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: libhildon-extras_0.9.2-1 had a non-blocking debian/rules ... | 17:32 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Check it out: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libhildon-extras_0.9.2-1/ | 17:32 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: That one finished successfully without any kind of blockage. | 17:32 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: I'm trying to use it as a template for the final debian/changelog ... | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: I now see Xvfb running again. | 17:33 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: It should run for a while and then diea. | 17:33 |
| _|Nix|_ | die. | 17:33 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: I have an idea ... I can tell the server to die after the session ends ... | 17:36 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: I think I need another kill :( It really sucks that scratchbox behaves so differently from the buildbot ... I wouldn't have to submit so often, and ask you to kill :-S | 17:39 |
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| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: sleep 60; killall Xvfb :) | 17:39 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Sure ... but where to put that? Did I mention I hate cdbs? | 17:40 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Argh ... it never kills the server ... | 17:41 |
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| crashanddie | I just generated the doc for the new project I'm working on | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | after fixing all the preprocessor macro stuff that broke the doc | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | 530MB worth of doc | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | and that's without a single line of comment | 17:45 |
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| aep | harr, lastfm on n900. finally | 18:12 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Well, I added sleep 300 ; kill -9 $(pidof Xvkb) to a second backgrounded function ... lessee ... https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libhildon-extras_0.9.2-4/ | 18:13 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Can you see a "sleep 300" among the processes? | 18:14 |
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| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: not now. | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Need to step out now, bbl. | 18:19 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Did you do any killing lately? I hope not, because it looks like it finished by itself. | 18:19 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Alright, L8R | 18:19 |
| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Nope, didn't touch it. | 18:19 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Sweet! | 18:19 |
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| lcuk | lardman, write MATLAB gui i nvisual basic :p | 18:36 |
| lcuk | lardman, write MATLAB gui in visual basic :p | 18:36 |
| lardman | hmm | 18:36 |
| lardman | well would be easier to just write the code I need in VB tbh | 18:36 |
| lcuk | haha | 18:36 |
| lardman | or Python | 18:36 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 18:37 |
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| lcuk | lardman, did you see the facial recognition stuff recently? | 18:37 |
| lardman | I saw a thread, not had a chance to look into it though | 18:37 |
| lcuk | the guy doing one part of the research is at manchester uni :) http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/philip.tresadern/proj_facerec.htm | 18:38 |
| lardman | yep I noticed that | 18:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | I think the guy was in here a couple of times. | 18:39 |
| lcuk | interesting | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Jusrt on the face recognition aspect | 18:41 |
| lcuk | cool | 18:43 |
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| lardman | argh | 18:56 |
| lardman | some kind of mistake I've made which makes my scrollbar numbers go off by one | 18:56 |
| ieatlint | does anyone here have any strong opinions on github vs gitorious? | 18:58 |
| lcuk | lardman, more wine. | 18:59 |
| lcuk | ieatlint, gitorious is more formal | 18:59 |
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| lardman | yeah, I wonder if it's the delta that improves coding, going from 0 to 1 glass should make some improvements in that case | 18:59 |
| lcuk | github is community oriented and "friendlier" at making clones and commenting and stuff | 18:59 |
| frals | easier than one-click-clone lcuk? :D | 19:00 |
| frals | s/easier/friendlier/ | 19:00 |
| infobot | frals meant: friendlier than one-click-clone lcuk? :D | 19:00 |
| ieatlint | so if i want a "community" project, you'd lean towards github... whereas if i want to publish code, gitorious | 19:00 |
| lcuk | ieatlint, just personal opinion, I am a member and committer to both | 19:00 |
| lcuk | github just feels less formal | 19:00 |
| ieatlint | i've got code on github, and have always been a tad meh on it for some reason | 19:01 |
| * lcuk likes github "issues" pages | 19:01 | |
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| ieatlint | kinda feels like i'm working on some half-assed broken wiki for some reason, although i don't have any good examples of why it feels like that | 19:01 |
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| MohammadAG | holy crap, kernel compiled in real9m41.396s | 19:02 |
| MohammadAG | new laptop > my i5 desktop | 19:02 |
| RST38h | "Dear Reggie! Please, add ignore lists functionality to t.m.o!" | 19:03 |
| lcuk | "Dear community, post better stuff so people stop whining" | 19:04 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Well, "community" is an oxymoron, but Reggie is quite real | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dear Nokia, please tell me what's the mystery with BT_FREQ in your N900 schematics | 19:49 |
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| slonopotamus | ~wtf utsl | 19:53 |
| infobot | UTSL: use the source, Luke | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia, you have implemented http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/magic-story.html to N900 via BT_FREQ ? :-P | 20:00 |
| ieatlint | ugh... hottest day of the year :( | 20:03 |
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| yannux | hy everybody | 20:04 |
| yannux | someone can explain me why we could'nt use the .deb build by qtcreator to distribute an app ? | 20:04 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:10 |
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| mgedmin | there are too many map application for maemo, I'm all confused now! | 20:27 |
| derf | It's okay, because none of them are really usable. | 20:27 |
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| disse | heyho | 20:29 |
| disse | Who want to help me with some problems on my n900 | 20:30 |
| lcuk | disse, why don't you talk about your issues and see if anyone jumps and offers assistance :) | 20:31 |
| ieatlint | you'll find much better luck stating a problem than just generically asking for help | 20:31 |
| ieatlint | :P | 20:31 |
| disse | I wanted to programm on my n900 | 20:31 |
| disse | (I was writing :D) | 20:32 |
| tank-man | easier to ssh into your desktop to do it :) | 20:32 |
| disse | I wanted to install gcc on my n900 | 20:32 |
| disse | with this tutorial | 20:32 |
| disse | http://ossguy.com/?p=475 | 20:32 |
| disse | after working on /home/user/programming directory it worked to run | 20:33 |
| * mgedmin likes Maep | 20:33 | |
| disse | but now, I wanted to programm with gtk | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | for its simplicity | 20:33 |
| disse | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs_unstable/tutorial/html/sec-installation.html | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | (but it lacks a couple of features, e.g. sattelite info) | 20:33 |
| lcuk | holy crap | 20:33 |
| disse | and that happened | 20:33 |
| disse | http://pastie.org/1112822 | 20:33 |
| ieatlint | uh, yeah, installing gcc on your n900 is going to be messy and laggy, you're much better off using scratchbox on a desktop | 20:33 |
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| disse | oke, but it was only for testing | 20:34 |
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| * lcuk just adds sdk/tools repo, does "apt-get install build-essential" remove sdk/tools and can run make and gcc happily :) | 20:34 | |
| lcuk | mgedmin, for your mapping needs | 20:34 |
| kerio | lcuk: on n900? | 20:34 |
| lcuk | do you want full featured routing etc | 20:34 |
| lcuk | kerio, yeah | 20:34 |
| kerio | what happens if you don't remove sdk and tools? | 20:34 |
| lcuk | have done that from the n810 days | 20:34 |
| lcuk | kerio, i dunno | 20:34 |
| disse | why this is not working | 20:34 |
| lcuk | i only ever do specific things with it | 20:34 |
| lcuk | disse, I dunno, ask in the thread | 20:35 |
| disse | which thread? | 20:35 |
| lcuk | its explaining a completely different mechanism to how I would go about it | 20:35 |
| lcuk | the one you posted | 20:35 |
| lcuk | it has comments | 20:35 |
| lcuk | so, comment and ask for help perhaps | 20:35 |
| mgedmin | lcuk, generally I assume routing won't work so I don't care about it; what I care about is fast startup (so Maps is out) and simple, clear UI (Mappero fails this) | 20:35 |
| disse | but I only wanted to install gtkmm and this had many errors | 20:36 |
| disse | and gcc is now away | 20:36 |
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| mgedmin | incidentally, why doesn't osm2go have an option to give me a square klick around my GPS position? having to pan and zoom the map is tedious | 20:36 |
| lcuk | disse, installing all the full dev environment tools on n900 is not trivial | 20:36 |
| disse | and apt-get install libhildonmm-dev libhildon-fmmm-dev libhildonnotifymm-dev | 20:36 |
| disse | did not work | 20:36 |
| lcuk | you have to understand that busybox is not the same environment and some tools will have problems | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | dpkg-buildpackage might be one | 20:37 |
| lcuk | yes, it is | 20:37 |
| lcuk | most people have trouble with ./configure stage too | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | apt-get source will probably choke on the last part | 20:37 |
| * lcuk sticks to simple makefiles :) | 20:37 | |
| disse | oke, but if I want to run a simple gtk application, it will work? | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | run != compile | 20:38 |
| kerio | i still don't get wtf were they smoking when they decided to use busybox | 20:38 |
| lcuk | kerio, go back to the start | 20:38 |
| disse | kk | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | pot, or crack | 20:38 |
| lcuk | its not a wtf as busybox works | 20:38 |
| disse | so I should install scratchbox and program there | 20:38 |
| lcuk | for 99.9% of usecases | 20:38 |
| disse | and execute on n900? | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | it works on an embedded device, indeed | 20:38 |
| lcuk | disse, thats the easiest for full featured dev environment yes | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes Dialekt | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | err, sorry | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | disse* | 20:39 |
| disse | but why in the tutorial they say that? | 20:39 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, everyone cares about fast startup | 20:39 |
| disse | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs_unstable/tutorial/html/sec-installation.html | 20:39 |
| lcuk | and because of Maps being what it is | 20:39 |
| disse | why they explains it so? | 20:39 |
| disse | (sorry for a little bad english) | 20:39 |
| lcuk | theres lots of people who have attempted their own, like all things OSS it will stabilise once traction grows | 20:39 |
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| mgedmin | maybe | 20:40 |
| kerio | lcuk: there's no reason to choose busybox though | 20:40 |
| kerio | not on the n900 | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | for a loong time there was just maemo-mapper | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | now there's an explosion for random map packages | 20:40 |
| kerio | it's a damn netbook | 20:40 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: take osm2go sources, add the feature, commit back to the repo | 20:40 |
| RST38h | it is that easy | 20:40 |
| lcuk | kerio, and if the n900 did not have years of historical code around it then I would agree | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, take your ordinary 24-hour day, add a couple of extra hours, deploy to Earth, it's that easy | 20:41 |
| RST38h | actually a lot of latest "map packages" are nice enough to share map tiles cache | 20:41 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, oooh, 26hour days | 20:41 |
| lcuk | nice | 20:41 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: drop unimportant stuff | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | yeah, the shared tile cache is a big win | 20:41 |
| lcuk | ++ | 20:42 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: sports, tv, sexual life =) | 20:42 |
| kerio | lcuk: i just want a get-rid-of-the-damn-busybox metapackage | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | you will have to take my internet away from my cold dead hands | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | dpkg -r busybox | 20:42 |
| kerio | which installs true coreutils, and changes the stupid boot scripts that depend on ash | 20:43 |
| lcuk | kerio, then do so, and once you have tested every application o nthe system and have a new package with replacements I will look again | 20:43 |
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| kerio | lcuk: i can't right now, my microusb port is broken :P | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, my version of the answer was shorter and concise :P | 20:43 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, your answer also leads to more hairpulling | 20:44 |
| lcuk | kerio, why are you whining then? | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | lemme patch that reply of yours | 20:44 |
| kerio | i like to whine | 20:44 |
| kerio | it's not my fault :( | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | -"r answer" | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | -leads | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | +lead | 20:44 |
| slonopotamus__ | slonopotamus, slonopotamus_ ??? | 20:44 |
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| MohammadAG51 | wow, cloning over IRC, i'm getting old | 20:45 |
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| disse | hmmm, only one question, can I only programm for n900 on the scratchbox for n900? | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | disse: no, you can program on-device too in some cases. | 20:46 |
| disse | kk | 20:46 |
| disse | but not on my pc? I mean gui apps, console apps are working, which were programmed on pc | 20:47 |
| mortini | assuming qt, once you get your basic layout done, you don't really even need scratchbox, depending on what you're doing. | 20:47 |
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| disse | is there a real good tutorial for programming on n900? (I know C (middle) and C++ a little bit) | 20:48 |
| Appiah | well have you looked what the wiki has to offer? | 20:48 |
| Appiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide | 20:48 |
| disse | thy | 20:49 |
| mortini | (and, clearly, having different GUI layouts for different platforms isn't outside the realm of possibilities) | 20:49 |
| disse | I used this shit: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs_unstable/tutorial/html/ | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | disse, we just answered these questions for you, if you are strong at linux dev in general, setting up a limited dev env directly on the device and keeping within the limitations it has is entirely possible | 20:51 |
| BaTmAn^ | evening | 20:51 |
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| disse | kk, no lcuk, I always program with linux in C | 20:52 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: ah, I almost forget another activity to skip: IRC! | 20:53 |
| crashanddie | aep: I offered to write a last.fm client nearly a year ago, felix never bothered replying | 20:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | disse: yes - apt-get install build-essentials (with caveats) puts gcc on your device, and you can treat it like normal C development environ | 20:56 |
| slonopotamus | slonopotamus_, slonopotamus__ go away! | 20:56 |
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| trumee | huh, i went to ovi.com, signed in and got a popup from xmlfeed.nokia.actis.ru | 20:57 |
| trumee | anybody knows what that is? | 20:57 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, searching for grep that handles long lines and -E switch... fail. | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | umm. | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | install gnu grep then | 20:59 |
| crashanddie | trumee: "The Actis Systems team consists of over 110 professionals who design and develop diverse state-of-the-art internet, extranet and intranet solutions of any complexity." | 21:00 |
| trumee | crashanddie: is it related to ovi.com? | 21:00 |
| crashanddie | trumee: well, it's probably hosting stuff for nokia, telling from the company profile and URL | 21:01 |
| crashanddie | trumee: they look legit: http://www.actis.ru/en/products/index.wbp | 21:01 |
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| trumee | crashanddie: they might be legit, by the hell does ovi.com let them ask for the password via a pop-up | 21:02 |
| crashanddie | trumee: you didn't mention that | 21:02 |
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| crashanddie | trumee: you said "you got a popup" | 21:02 |
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| crashanddie | is it asking for your OVI password specifically? | 21:03 |
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| crashanddie | or is it just a standard password form, maybe just a misconfigured web service? | 21:03 |
| trumee | crashanddie: i didnt give the password out | 21:03 |
| trumee | A username and password are being requested by http://xmlfeed.nokia.actis.ru. The site says: "xmlfeed.nokia.actis.ru" | 21:04 |
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| trumee | i get the above message | 21:04 |
| crashanddie | then it's just misconfigured | 21:04 |
| crashanddie | ignore it | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | trumee, forum nokia would be a better "official" site to follow this up on | 21:16 |
| gs94 | does PyGTK work on Maemo ? | 21:16 |
| trumee | lcuk: ok | 21:17 |
| lcuk | gs94, yes | 21:17 |
| * lcuk wrote first ever microapp in pygtk :) | 21:17 | |
| lcuk | (on maemo) | 21:17 |
| gs94 | lcuk: it doesn't here. I just tried the hello world code from the tutorial. Nothing happens :/ | 21:17 |
| gs94 | I run it through the terminal | 21:18 |
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| gs94 | with #!/usr/bin/env python | 21:19 |
| gs94 | is this correct ? | 21:19 |
| lcuk | and the terminal window erupts in a ball of flames and vanishes? when you say nothing happens, does the console prompt return? does it give any message? | 21:19 |
| gs94 | the prompt returns, no messages, no window created. | 21:19 |
| lcuk | IDK about your fancy pants shebangs, have you tried running "python yourapp.py" | 21:19 |
| gs94 | not yet | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | gs94, get one of the many python apps currently on n900 repositories and see how they are setup | 21:20 |
| gs94 | python does the same thing. | 21:20 |
| lcuk | theres various ones using pygtk pyqt pyside and all different things in between | 21:20 |
| gs94 | okay | 21:20 |
| lcuk | install something like healthcheck, its a decent python (though qt) app | 21:21 |
| lcuk | fmms is pygtk afaik | 21:21 |
| lcuk | hermes is pygtk | 21:21 |
| gs94 | got hermes | 21:21 |
| lcuk | and probably 100 others | 21:21 |
| lcuk | so look at how they use shebangs etc | 21:21 |
| lcuk | and see | 21:21 |
| lcuk | gs94, are you editing the file in windows? | 21:21 |
| * lcuk would put high probability on crlf issues | 21:22 | |
| gs94 | yeah, but using an open-source prog. line endings ? | 21:22 |
| gs94 | lol | 21:22 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:22 |
| lcuk | its the most common facepalm | 21:22 |
| lcuk | just run python itself | 21:22 |
| lcuk | it should open on the console | 21:22 |
| lcuk | in an interactive session | 21:22 |
| lcuk | that should allow you to confirm that python itself works | 21:23 |
| lcuk | then, you can step backwards to find your specific issue | 21:23 |
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| gs94 | I actually tried typing the code manually on python | 21:23 |
| gs94 | that didn't work too | 21:23 |
| gs94 | plus, if line endings are the issue, shouldn't python return something ? | 21:24 |
| lcuk | idk | 21:24 |
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| * lcuk goes lying down anyway | 21:24 | |
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| gs94 | ugh I can't find where hermes is installed, and there's no whereis on maemo | 21:26 |
| mortini | find / -name "*foo*" -print | 21:27 |
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| mortini | find / -name "*foo*" -print -type d/f if you need to be more specific. | 21:27 |
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| gs94 | thanks | 21:28 |
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| ZogG | found interesting bug | 21:55 |
| ZogG | when i type sms on virtual keyboard and it goes to 2 sms, the conversation window is unresponsible and the part of msg where it is shown the sms numbers and character counter is blinking | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | ooh ZogG file a bug | 21:58 |
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| sepultina | hallo | 21:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG: nice | 21:59 |
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| sepultina | my update fails. i can not connect to the nokia repos. | 21:59 |
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| sepultina | i have three repos from "downloads.maemo.nokia.com" and all three dosn't work. | 21:59 |
| ZogG | lcuk i'm not sure how to explaine it - next time i'll try to record the video of it | 21:59 |
| ZogG | and i don't believe that anyone is doing anything with bugs | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG: vkbd does a bulk insert. obviously the counter gets messed up by this | 22:00 |
| sepultina | is there some change on nokia server site? | 22:00 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 as i see it blinks with same numbers | 22:01 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 there was smiley in the middle as well as objct | 22:01 |
| BaTmAn^ | ShadowJK: around? | 22:02 |
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| lcuk | ZogG, well I do believe they are | 22:04 |
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| sepultina | when i open "https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/ssu/apps/" in a browser i have a massange whit "Access Denied" | 22:06 |
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| sepultina | have my someone a tip? | 22:07 |
| ZogG | lcuk, after music playing thing after ringnig fix i don't as they even don't want to reopen it | 22:08 |
| ZogG | anyway | 22:08 |
| ZogG | !bug 11188 | 22:08 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11188 Conversation window is stuck while character counter is blinking | 22:08 |
| ZogG | emm | 22:08 |
| ZogG | what is the command? | 22:08 |
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| skyscraper | hello everybody | 22:11 |
| skyscraper | MohammadAG51: when you'll upload ubuntu?^^ | 22:11 |
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| skyscraper | can anyone help me with http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38372&page=33 | 22:13 |
| skyscraper | ? | 22:13 |
| ShadowJK | BaTmAn^, hello | 22:13 |
| RST38h | heya shadowjk | 22:14 |
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| sepultina | I found the problem: it is the local ISP whit his wrong DNS. | 22:15 |
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| skyscraper | isnt it possible to copy a running keyboard layout from a pc to n900? | 22:20 |
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| kerio | skyscraper: with bad results, sure | 22:21 |
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| kerio | /usr/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 | 22:22 |
| skyscraper | why bad results? | 22:22 |
| ZogG | http://xyem.biz/images/babadura.gif | 22:22 |
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| kerio | skyscraper: because a normal keyboard has a shitton more keys | 22:23 |
| skyscraper | i dont understand those f***** xkeyboard system.... - why my bt keyboard works very nice in xubuntu 10.04 but not on n900? | 22:23 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if he's trying to use a "normal" bluetooth keyboard | 22:23 |
| ShadowJK | ah yes | 22:23 |
| skyscraper | all those tutorials/threads/posts in maemo-forum doesnt help.... cant get that keyboard layout working -.- | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | maemo needs gksudo | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | and a proper sudo | 22:25 |
| skyscraper | but when i connect it to my xubuntu 10.04 with hidd --search it works great without any modification | 22:25 |
| skyscraper | when i connect it to maemo, i've the n900 hardware-keyboard layout on it, it seems | 22:26 |
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| kerio | do keyboards advertise a "default" layout for them, i wonder | 22:26 |
| lcuk | skyscraper, best suggestion> backup what you need and try it | 22:26 |
| lcuk | if it works, WIN! | 22:26 |
| lcuk | if it doesn't restore and continue looking | 22:27 |
| skyscraper | lcuk: how to do it? | 22:27 |
| lcuk | idk you sounded like you already had a mechanism | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG | please tell me tweetdeck + air work on ubuntu x64 | 22:27 |
| skyscraper | lcuk i only tried to copy the working xubuntu10.04 layout with xkbcomp -xkb test.xkb - but i think i have to set -i [deviceid] but i dont know the device id for btkeyboard - and then i want to import it on n900 with xkbcomp -i 4 test.xkb | 22:29 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, does your fmtxd keep power level at 118? | 22:30 |
| skyscraper | MohammadAG: his version keeps power level at 120 (whats not possible) | 22:30 |
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| kerio | 118 | 22:36 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: i want a kernel that ignores the region settings | 22:37 |
| kerio | what's the hardware limit? | 22:37 |
| kerio | 77-108? | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | 76 | 22:38 |
| kerio | i can only transmit at 78.5 | 22:38 |
| kerio | (lowest) | 22:38 |
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| MohammadAG | use jace's fmtxd | 22:38 |
| skyscraper | MohammadAG: when you'll upload ubuntu?^^ | 22:38 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: i do | 22:38 |
| kerio | but it's still limited | 22:38 |
| kerio | ._. | 22:38 |
| kerio | even when i use the faker, not sure why | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | the GUI is limited, use qwerty12's status menu app | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, http://www.freemoe.org/users/qwerty12/fmtx2/fmtx_status_menu_item.so | 22:39 |
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| MohammadAG | shove it where all status menu libs reside | 22:39 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: can't i install it as a package? | 22:39 |
| kerio | i like packages ._. | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/lib/hildon-desktop I think? | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.freemoe.org/users/qwerty12/fmtx2/ | 22:39 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: and how's that supposed to help me? | 22:41 |
| kerio | it just shows the fmtx in the menu :| | 22:41 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: 120 | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | you don't read readmes do you... | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, hold it | 22:43 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: but it can be changed to 118 | 22:43 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, I don't mind 120, ta :) | 22:43 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: what does your fmtxd do? 120? | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | ignore limits, push power | 22:44 |
| jacekowski | well, people can't read | 22:44 |
| jacekowski | fmtxd + kernel module | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | ignore usb + 3.5mm plug | 22:44 |
| jacekowski | fmtxd alone cna do fuck all | 22:44 |
| jacekowski | so you have to have change region by hand in /sys | 22:44 |
| jacekowski | or use modified kernel module that has region 4 as default | 22:45 |
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| jacekowski | kerio: http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD | 22:45 |
| jacekowski | kerio: and read the comments | 22:45 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, which headers is the module built for btw | 22:46 |
| kerio | k | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | s/for/against | 22:46 |
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| jacekowski | modified module? | 22:47 |
| jacekowski | i just modded the original module | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | not the source? lol | 22:48 |
| jacekowski | no | 22:48 |
| jacekowski | it was simpler | 22:48 |
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| kerio | where are the kernel modules saved? | 22:49 |
| jacekowski | /lib/modules | 22:50 |
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| jacekowski | but that amazes me how many people copied & pasted these howtos and stuff | 22:50 |
| jacekowski | without veryfying if it's really working | 22:50 |
| * kerio wonders if it will work with the power kernel | 22:50 | |
| kerio | probably not | 22:50 |
| kerio | it will result in a bootloop | 22:50 |
| kerio | and since i have no usb i'll be screwed | 22:50 |
| kerio | thanks in advance, jacekowski | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | it will | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | compare sizes | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | hmm, what you can do | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | is copy that module to /root | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | then rmmod fmtx-si4713 | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | and then | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | insmod /root/fmtx-si4713.so | 22:52 |
| jacekowski | that will either load, fail to load, or panic | 22:52 |
| kerio | insmod: error inserting '/root/fmtx-si4713.ko': -1 Invalid module format | 22:52 |
| jacekowski | but whatever happens original module is still intact | 22:52 |
| jacekowski | dmesg | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: I'd really feel reluctant about kernel and core system messing, when there's no USB on my device | 22:52 |
| jacekowski | what does last line says? | 22:52 |
| kerio | [19100.774841] fmtx_si4713: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module | 22:52 |
| jacekowski | try insmod -f | 22:52 |
| kerio | no i won't do that | 22:53 |
| kerio | srsly | 22:53 |
| jacekowski | or | 22:53 |
| kerio | anything -f regarding the kernel is a big no | 22:53 |
| jacekowski | worst thing that may happen is reboot | 22:53 |
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| jacekowski | or you can try | 22:53 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: do i trust him? | 22:53 |
| jacekowski | well, you can echo 4 > /sys/somewhere/region | 22:53 |
| jacekowski | kerio: i don't trust myself | 22:53 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: insmod doesn't support -f | 22:54 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, yep | 22:55 |
| jacekowski | well, you are left with echo > /sys/somewhere/region | 22:55 |
| kerio | there's no region in /sys | 22:55 |
| jacekowski | /sys/bus i think | 22:55 |
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| jacekowski | there is | 22:55 |
| kerio | find /sys | grep region reports nothing | 22:55 |
| jacekowski | hmm, try freq | 22:55 |
| kerio | oh fuck me | 22:56 |
| kerio | i rmmodded the fmtx | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | that could explain it | 22:56 |
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| kerio | /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/region | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | echo 4 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/region | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | that should switch it to region 4 | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | but you have to do it every time you restart your phone | 22:57 |
| kerio | cool, the UI lets me set 76 | 22:57 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, is there a reproducable mechanism for getting hostmost tested | 22:57 |
| kerio | but not 108 - stupid UI :( | 22:58 |
| lcuk | because I have heard MohammadAG says its kinda possible sometimes, is that with a modified musb? | 22:58 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, do you have distribution rights for the modified binary you have on your site by the way? | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG | musb is compiled in the kernel image, you'll need to flash a custom image | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: don't ask the question that you don't want to hear answer for | 22:59 |
| kerio | well, i don't think nokia will go RIAA on jacekowski | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: but i can easily work around that problem by providing patcher that runs directly on a phone | 22:59 |
| kerio | jacekowski: in a neat package! | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | no | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | i don't do gui stuff | 23:00 |
| kerio | aww | 23:00 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, then provide the provided patcher and stop distributing someone elses stuff | 23:00 |
| kerio | lcuk: oh come on - it's not hurting anyone | 23:00 |
| kerio | aren't the sources provided anyway? | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | no | 23:00 |
| TomaszD | heh, a c&d from Nokia to jacekowski would be hilarious | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | well, it's sort of illegal | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | but it's not viable court case | 23:00 |
| TomaszD | of course it is | 23:01 |
| TomaszD | but then again, nitdroid is also illegal | 23:01 |
| jacekowski | because they would need some evidence that it's causing them loses | 23:01 |
| lcuk | no | 23:01 |
| kerio | jacekowski: huh | 23:01 |
| jacekowski | because at the moment it's just eula breach | 23:01 |
| kerio | after a reboot, it's still on region 4 | 23:01 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, right | 23:01 |
| jacekowski | i never looked into that code | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | but i was thinking that it may be fmtxd storing region in cal | 23:02 |
| kerio | what, /sys/whatever/region says 2 | 23:02 |
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| jacekowski | so it's region 2 then | 23:03 |
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| jacekowski | echo 4 again | 23:03 |
| jacekowski | add it to rc.local or something | 23:03 |
| kerio | jacekowski: frequency=76000, state=enabled says fmtx_client | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | use fmtx-faker | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | fmtx-faker-tool in terminal, set it to region 4 | 23:04 |
| lcuk | hmm | 23:04 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, this is all illegal, before you ask :P | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | kerio: that's only fmtxd value | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | kerio: that's hardcoded in fmtxd | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | that's bad design | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | because fmtxd is not checking values in /sys | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | since when is ./configure run as sudo... | 23:06 |
| lcuk | thats what concerns me MohammadAG. I am dismayed to see this lot here | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | the ubuntu forums bother me sometimes | 23:06 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: haha what | 23:06 |
| kerio | well, it can't exactly hurt | 23:06 |
| kerio | but come on, it's bad to do | 23:06 |
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| kerio | lcuk: so... fmtx-faker set to other/50, region set to 4, modified fmtxd that forces the power to 120... | 23:09 |
| kerio | am i missing anything? | 23:09 |
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| kerio | hmm, i guess i'm missing a radio that can listen to fm 76mhz | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | well, fmrx can | 23:12 |
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| tobis87 | jacekowski: You don't need a gui, you could use bsdiff to patch the kernel module. | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | is there a bsdiff on the phone? | 23:13 |
| tobis87 | jacekowski: no, but shouldn't need many dependencies through. | 23:14 |
| jacekowski | i can make my own patcher | 23:14 |
| jacekowski | i have one already | 23:14 |
| jacekowski | it's just matter of porting it to arm | 23:14 |
| tobis87 | generate/apply a patch between two binary files http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/ | 23:14 |
| tobis87 | why do you want to reinvent the wheel? | 23:15 |
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| jacekowski | because i don't like excessive dependencies | 23:15 |
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| jacekowski | and i need to verify checksums and stuff before patching | 23:15 |
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| tobis87 | fair enough, but it doesn't sound too bad "bsdiff routinely produces binary patches 50-80% smaller than those produced by Xdelta, and 15% smaller than those produced by .RTPatch" | 23:17 |
| jacekowski | well, my patcher in x86 asm takes up less than 1.5k | 23:19 |
| kerio | <jacekowski> ooh i'm so cool i can understand ARM assembly | 23:20 |
| tobis87 | x86 asm :-D | 23:20 |
| tobis87 | do you want to use qemu to patch the module on the n900? Asm is nice, but not very portable. | 23:20 |
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| jacekowski | nah, i'm just saying that i want something small | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | so well, i'll probably go for C now | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | because i'm still quite new to ARM assembly | 23:21 |
| tobis87 | It would be nice to if nasm would finally support arm. | 23:21 |
| tobis87 | Yes, the thumb instruction is interesting. | 23:23 |
| kerio | jacekowski: any chance you'll do a fmtx module for titan's kernel? | 23:23 |
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| jacekowski | not in a near future | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | i don't use titan kernel | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | but titan can fix the problem easily | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | ~seen t-tan | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | ~seen ttan | 23:25 |
| infobot | t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 74d 44m 19s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'. | 23:25 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'ttan', jacekowski | 23:25 |
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| jacekowski | hmm | 23:25 |
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| tobis87 | kerio: This is the problem with hacking binaries. It is a lot harder to keep track of changes. | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | depends | 23:25 |
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| jacekowski | you divide stuff into basicblocks | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | and you don't compare data, just instructions | 23:26 |
| tobis87 | jacekowski: Ok, it depends which tools you use. Do you use IDA Pro? | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | sometimes | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | but i have my own tools as well | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | designed to trace code as it runs | 23:27 |
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| tobis87 | Ok, I don't have that much knowlege in dissambling anyway. I just heard that IDA makes your live much easier. | 23:29 |
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| jacekowski | it helps | 23:29 |
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| jacekowski | but there is stuff you have to do on your own | 23:30 |
| skyscraper | MohammadAG: when you'll upload ubuntu?^^ | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | on that topic | 23:30 |
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| skyscraper | ? | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | when dd'ing a partition, does one have to use the same card/partition size to restore it | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | skyscraper: it was you with fmrx problem? | 23:31 |
| skyscraper | jacekowski: yes i wanted to enable 76-87,5 mhz frequency's with region 2 / europe fw | 23:31 |
| kerio | set it to region 4 | 23:31 |
| kerio | :) | 23:31 |
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| jacekowski | skyscraper: instead of using v4l stuff | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | skyscraper: try echoing frequency directly into /sys | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | skyscraper: and see if that fails | 23:32 |
| skyscraper | jacekowski: i can echo it into... but it does nothing... tried already | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | what do you mean by nothing? | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | does the number there change? | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | anything in dmesg after that? | 23:33 |
| tobis87 | jacekowski: Since you used to do a lot of disassemling. Could you help me to trace down why omap-sha1-md5 gives out strange digestsizes in /proc/crypto? For example digestsize: 3207673996, while they are both defined, SHA1_DIGEST_SIZE and MD5_DIGEST_SIZE. | 23:33 |
| skyscraper | nothing in dmesg... number changed ok ... but it doesnt tune... - i can echo 99800, too, for example - but the chip doesnt tune when i echo something into | 23:33 |
| skyscraper | (i should hear radio on 99800 | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | hmmmmm | 23:34 |
| tobis87 | .cra_u = { .hash = {.digestsize = SHA1_DIGEST_SIZE, | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | i'll have to play with it on mine then | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | not today | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | i have todo list | 23:35 |
| skyscraper | jacekowski: okay... i think its blocked somewhere | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | that's growing | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | instead of shrinkin | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | shrinking | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | and it was growing for last 3 months | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | which is bad | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | i have to spend less time on irc and more on doing stuff | 23:35 |
| tobis87 | jacekowski: The kernel modules, in tar.gz are stripped (objcopy --strip-debuged), but the src is included anyway. | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | not today | 23:36 |
| skyscraper | thats not good^^ | 23:36 |
| tobis87 | jacekowski: ok | 23:36 |
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| jacekowski | i'm finishing bq24150 module tomorrow | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | and i'll start bq2700 | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | 0 | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | and then i can do other stuff | 23:36 |
| tobis87 | bq24150, is this the module which measures the temp? | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | charger | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: do you have any code or docs for review? | 23:37 |
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| jacekowski | review? | 23:37 |
| jacekowski | i can review it for you | 23:37 |
| jacekowski | works but code is worse than bme | 23:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Umm. I mean - API,... | 23:38 |
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| jacekowski | i done it to DocScrutinizer specs | 23:38 |
| jacekowski | i've* | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | with one thing still missing | 23:39 |
| skyscraper | does anyone have the original /usr/share/X11 directory from n900? without any added or modified files? | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | but not so important at the moment | 23:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | skyscraper: I've not done anything other than insrtalling/uninstalling apps. | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | skyscraper: would that change stuff? | 23:39 |
| skyscraper | SpeedEvil: don't know... maybe the hid-scripts modified something? | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and the 'spec' is ~65 percent complete | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and the 'spec' is ~65 percent complete | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | stuff that was missing is done to my spec | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | without any docs | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | i'll have to do that as well | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | skyscraper: http://www.mauve.plus.com/temp/usx.tar.gz | 23:42 |
| tobis87 | how many bq's are there? bq24150 bq27000 bq27200... the naming schema is driving me nuts. Regarding the bq27200, don't compile it with the patch found here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=617050 and put it into event.d, it will result in a reboot loop. | 23:42 |
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| skyscraper | SpeedEvil: thank you | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | 27000 is not existrant | 23:43 |
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| tobis87 | i mean don't put an entry with modprobe bq27200 into event.d | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | there is the 24150 - which is the charger - and the 27200 which is the charge meter | 23:44 |
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| ShadowJK | tobis87, duh, loading bq27200.ko before bme has started would prevent bme form accessing it, and if bme fails, device reboots | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | 27000 exists in Freerunner batteries I think? :P | 23:46 |
| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: Didn't know, jacekowski was talking about bq27000. | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | 27x00 is the name of one module | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | it does many 27* types | 23:46 |
| tobis87 | ShadowJK: Yes, I painfully learned it for myself. | 23:47 |
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| BaTmAn^ | anybody know roughly how many ovi users there are? | 23:47 |
| tobis87 | ShadowJK: About two weeks ago. | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | what's an ovi user.. | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I used it last night. | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I love omelettes. | 23:47 |
| BaTmAn^ | well, I guess I should say nokia users then | 23:48 |
| BaTmAn^ | but smartphone | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | if you mix a bit of chopped bacon into it and put it between 2 slices of bread.. | 23:48 |
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| BaTmAn^ | though i'm mainly interested in how many people buy software through the store | 23:49 |
| skyscraper | SpeedEvil: i'll backup my n900 now and then replace the whole /usr/share/X11 - dir with yours^^ | 23:49 |
| * BaTmAn^ doesn't like bacon | 23:49 | |
| ShadowJK | I can't even get a username registered :P | 23:49 |
| BaTmAn^ | excellent | 23:50 |
| BaTmAn^ | that fills me with confidence | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | skyscraper: Good luck. | 23:50 |
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| ShadowJK | Nokia says hundred million | 23:50 |
| skyscraper | SpeedEvil: thank you :D | 23:50 |
| BaTmAn^ | no way | 23:50 |
| skyscraper | SpeedEvil: i'll mv the original dir^^ | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I personally would just diff the files - but whatever works for you | 23:50 |
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| skyscraper | SpeedEvil: hm... i want the easy way xD | 23:51 |
| BaTmAn^ | though there are 100 million iphone/ipod/ipad facebook users | 23:51 |
| ShadowJK | but that's like spread over 3 entirely incompatible software platforms and 500 devices all slightly incompatible with eachother.. | 23:51 |
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| BaTmAn^ | there no real set standards? | 23:52 |
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| ShadowJK | they keep changing/upgrading and old devices don't get upgraded | 23:52 |
| BaTmAn^ | sucks | 23:53 |
| BaTmAn^ | so realistically you could reach out to about 70,000 people at any one time? | 23:54 |
| kerio | ovi store sucks balls | 23:54 |
| kerio | that's a fact | 23:54 |
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| kerio | ovi store is only good to download angry birds | 23:54 |
| BaTmAn^ | probably why it sucks balls | 23:54 |
| kerio | and fennec | 23:54 |
| BaTmAn^ | angry birds is excellent | 23:54 |
| kerio | and fennec sucks too, so... | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | you can get fennec direct from mozilla i think | 23:55 |
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| * BaTmAn^ might need some android developers | 23:55 | |
| BaTmAn^ | that seems to be on a level with the iphone | 23:55 |
| BaTmAn^ | sort of | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | dunno how compatible things are between different os versions there | 23:56 |
| BaTmAn^ | never played with the android | 23:56 |
| BaTmAn^ | mind | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | Well I think android is through the collective efforts of multiple vendors steaming ahead fast enough to overtake nokia in fragmentation in the next year or two :P | 23:57 |
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| kerio | maemo > android | 23:58 |
| BaTmAn^ | and being a little more open source than nokia | 23:58 |
| BaTmAn^ | ? | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | nah | 23:58 |
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| BaTmAn^ | this must be like the first time I've been back on irc for about 4 years | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | atleast nokia is a bit friendlier in working out redistribution deals instead of flinging lawsuits | 23:59 |
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| BaTmAn^ | and i've managed to find some really helpful people to help out with some lotus domino shit I have to deal with | 23:59 |
| BaTmAn^ | egomania hasn't quite taken over irc | 23:59 |
| BaTmAn^ | after all | 23:59 |
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