IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-06-13

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MohammadAG	I'm sick of threads about closing threads making users sick of it	00:06
MohammadAG	:P	00:06
w00t_	MohammadAG: lol	00:06
w00t_	meta discussions about discussions are always a bit like that	00:06
SpeedEvil	http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/files/2005/09/giantsquid.jpg	00:07
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MohammadAG	w00t_, if only I could close that thread :P	00:08
MohammadAG	the squid fell on him ^	00:08
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w00t_	I'm wondering if SD69 forgot his tinfoil hat	00:09
MohammadAG	he survived it!	00:09
MohammadAG	SpeedEvil, <MohammadAG> the squid fell on him ^	00:09
opdf2	how many amps does n900 draw when under full load?	00:12
SpeedEvil	opdf2: Around 1.	00:12
opdf2	this car charger I have cant seem to charge with 500mA	00:12
SpeedEvil	maybe a hair more	00:12
opdf2	okay I see	00:12
SpeedEvil	That's a seperate issue	00:12
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SpeedEvil	It needs to short the D+ and D- wires to be accepted as a charger	00:12
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opdf2	No I already have a dumb car charger	00:13
GAN900	w00t_, that guy's a nut	00:13
opdf2	It says "Charging." I just need a higher car charger output	00:13
w00t_	GAN900: seen the post I'm talking about?	00:14
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SpeedEvil	opdf2: 500mA should pretty much charge it acceptably fast.	00:14
GAN900	w00t_, not yet, probably.	00:14
GAN900	"acceptably"	00:14
opdf2	but while under full load? It'll only slow down depletion	00:14
kW_	SpeedEvil: thank you, that worked so far :-)	00:15
kW_	Now: Does anybody know which package for maemo contains the "blockdev" command?	00:15
MiXu-	1 amp at full load? That's more than just 100% cpu then. THere's gotta be radios and I/Os and shit simultaneously.	00:15
kW_	("util-linux" does not seem to contain it)	00:15
SpeedEvil	If you're doing pretty much anything other than sharing 3G it will charge	00:15
SpeedEvil	MiXu-: yes.	00:15
w00t_	GAN900: see msg	00:16
ali1234	mine charges when tethered	00:16
MiXu-	The usual "high load" situation is more like 700mA the last I checked	00:16
SpeedEvil	MiXu-: That's with flashlight on, streaming camera video, while maxing the CPU, with FM transmitter on, and acting as an AP sharing 3G doing bittorrent, with the screen max brightness.	00:16
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MiXu-	SpeedEvil: Ok, so you were really trying :D	00:16
SpeedEvil	naah	00:16
SpeedEvil	I diddn't even bother turning on the keyboard LEDs, notification LED, IR LED, and privacy LEDs, or the vibrator.	00:17
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opdf2	I usually use GPS and stream 3G while driving. Doesn't seem like 500mA is enough. I also used to have an 800mA charger but that broke	00:18
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jacekowski	opdf2: are you texting while driving as well?	00:20
opdf2	I'm not that good	00:20
jacekowski	http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/P/r/2/texting-while-driving.jpg	00:20
MohammadAG	I tweet while driving	00:20
lcuk	you arent old enough to ride a bmx, let alone drive a car	00:21
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HtheB	hi guys	00:21
HtheB	:)	00:21
HtheB	sup	00:21
MiXu-	I irc while driving	00:21
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HtheB	MiXu-, you're nuts	00:21
FauxFaux	I masturbate while driving.	00:21
MiXu-	saves time	00:22
HtheB	FauxFaux ftw!	00:22
jacekowski	have you ever had sex while driving	00:22
HtheB	rofl	00:22
MohammadAG	lcuk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnout_Paradise	00:22
HtheB	hey guys	00:22
MiXu-	no :(	00:22
lcuk	lolz MohammadAG	00:22
HtheB	does anyone know about updating firmware from Symbian devices?	00:22
HtheB	(N97)	00:22
HtheB	I have some major problems over here	00:22
MohammadAG	sure	00:22
jacekowski	HtheB: just ask	00:22
HtheB	I wanted to change a language	00:22
MohammadAG	just plug it in and hit update	00:22
HtheB	changed prod code	00:22
jacekowski	that will fail	00:23
HtheB	tried to update	00:23
MohammadAG	<jacekowski> that will fail nah	00:23
HtheB	jacekowski, it worked for me like a charm before	00:23
HtheB	but now it just says: you already have the latest firmware	00:23
MohammadAG	The N97 uses some weird shit, use Pheonix/JAF	00:23
HtheB	but by default, I could install the firmware again	00:23
HtheB	hmm	00:23
HtheB	do I need a special box for it?	00:24
HtheB	the Prod code is changed successfully	00:24
HtheB	so... do I still have to use JAF?	00:25
HtheB	latest version of Nemesis (NSS) supports N97	00:25
PHiZiK	lol @ irc while driving, wouldn't that be epic :D	00:25
HtheB	I changed some languages on N97 mini lately	00:25
HtheB	it told me: you are on the latest firmware, but you can re install it	00:25
HtheB	so that helped me out	00:25
HtheB	but.... this time, I can only click on the Exit button :/	00:26
MohammadAG	<HtheB> do I need a special box for it?	00:26
MohammadAG	you need one that's as legal as the MP3s you're listening to	00:26
lcuk	PHiZiK, speech synthesis and recognition would be cool	00:26
lcuk	and the typo rate would be about the same	00:26
HtheB	:D	00:27
MiXu-	I saw a guy driving a mini excavator on a public road yesterday	00:27
HtheB	you know what I mean MohammadAG :p	00:27
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MiXu-	He's driving ~1000km with that thing	00:27
lcuk	MiXu-, the one driving across .fi?	00:27
SpeedEvil	lcuk: I offer such a service for just $1/min.	00:27
lcuk	:D	00:27
MiXu-	Yup	00:27
MiXu-	There was a guy walking behind it :D	00:27
lcuk	awesome did you beep? :D	00:27
MiXu-	Sure did :D	00:27
lcuk	wicked, hes become a bit of a finnish hero	00:27
MiXu-	I figured it would be slow but I didn't think it would be slow enough for someone to keep up with it by walking :D	00:28
lcuk	hes heading all the way up to oulu isnt he?	00:28
MiXu-	Kuusamo	00:28
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MiXu-	The trip takes 4 weeks :D	00:29
MiXu-	I hope he has more summer holidays than that.	00:29
Clasificado	hi all again	00:29
lcuk	hes fully sponsored up for his epic endeavor tho	00:29
MiXu-	sure	00:29
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jacekowski	there is nothing epic about it	00:30
w00t_	evening lcuk	00:30
jacekowski	there are more epic things that somebody can do	00:30
w00t_	(& MiXu-, jacekowski :))	00:30
jacekowski	morning	00:30
jacekowski	it'll be morning in couple hours	00:30
lcuk	jacekowski, you are only jealous because you didnt do it	00:30
w00t_	true	00:30
MiXu-	evening w00t	00:30
lcuk	morning w00t_ \o	00:30
w00t_	then again	00:31
w00t_	the sun doesn't go down here very well	00:31
jacekowski	lcuk: have you heard about jessica watson?	00:31
w00t_	so I'm just going to start saying "good day"	00:31
jacekowski	lcuk: that's epic	00:31
lcuk	sure, but if it had been a gruff 30 year old bloke who did the same	00:32
lcuk	he wouldnt have headlines	00:32
lcuk	and he would have had to pay to be rescued	00:32
jacekowski	well if he would do it in excavator	00:32
jacekowski	he would get headlines	00:32
lcuk	yes because many people sail around the world	00:32
jacekowski	not that many do it single handed	00:33
lcuk	but few take excavators on epic adventures	00:33
MiXu-	The guy has a live webcam in the excavator	00:33
jacekowski	guess i'll take road roller across the europe	00:33
lcuk	link?	00:33
MiXu-	I was trying to find myself from the footage yesterday but couldn't remember the exact spot I saw him at :D	00:33
lcuk	jacekowski, a month ago, you wouldv made news	00:34
MiXu-	just a sec	00:34
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lcuk	now around the world 100s of people went into offices and said "can we take our digger on a trip"	00:34
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MiXu-	http://bambuser.com/channel/hankokuusamo	00:34
jacekowski	digger != roadroller	00:34
lcuk	ahhh, thats your angle	00:35
lcuk	i see what you did there	00:35
MiXu-	The guy is constantly talking which is amazing	00:35
lcuk	well MiXu- not much else you can do lol	00:35
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MiXu-	On the phone a lot of the time but still :D	00:35
MohammadAG	hmm	00:35
MiXu-	He talks by himself also :D	00:35
MohammadAG	I wonder how much time repartitioning would take	00:36
vldcnst	MiXu-: what kind of vehicle is that?	00:36
MiXu-	vldcnst: http://www.on-kuljetus.com/sunward.jpg	00:37
MiXu-	:D	00:37
lcuk	hes like ace rimmer	00:38
lcuk	"what a guy"	00:38
MiXu-	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvsgfT0ZeYE	00:38
MiXu-	The speed cracks me up :D	00:38
MohammadAG	Nokia-N900:/# yum install gparted <-- damn this looks awkward :P	00:38
Clasificado	damn. compiling the kernel takes too much time. im impatient	00:39
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w00t_	a facebrick user requesting my help to evade their country blocking facebook	00:39
w00t_	that's something I didn't expect to see	00:39
MohammadAG	Clasificado, 10 minutes on an i5 locked @ 2.80GHz using 6 processes at the same time	00:39
MohammadAG	including modules	00:40
MohammadAG	and deb packages	00:40
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lcuk	MiXu-, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofibNrYDjdY	00:41
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MohammadAG	any RPM techies here?	00:43
MohammadAG	http://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/arm/fedora/pub/fedora/linux/updates/12/arm/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] PYCURL ERROR 6 - ""	00:43
MohammadAG	Trying other mirror.	00:43
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GAN900	Local news: "iPhone G4 release"	00:44
GAN900	Now that'll be some short battery life.	00:45
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MohammadAG	lol lcuk (vid)	00:46
MiXu-	:D	00:47
MiXu-	"Strictly butter side up"	00:47
lcuk	red dwarf kicks ass	00:47
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DocScrutinizer2	w00t_: what exactly was it you didn't expect?	00:56
w00t_	DocScrutinizer2: hrrm? oh, facebrick?	00:57
w00t_	I didn't expect to have people contacting me saying "please help me evade my country's censorship", tbh	00:57
lcuk	what censorship	00:58
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DocScrutinizer2	great chinese wall, pakistan madness, pick your favourite out of a dozen	01:00
jacekowski	http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2010/06/182_67319.html	01:00
jacekowski	well, i was hosting tor exit node for a while	01:01
jacekowski	amount of shit that was passing trough it was amazing	01:01
* BugBlue hints australia, bangladesh, turkey, germany, netherlands, uk, ...		01:01
jacekowski	and i totally agree with countries blocking facebook	01:01
jacekowski	facebook, myspace, hmm	01:01
jacekowski	twitter	01:01
jacekowski	that should be banned	01:01
PHiZiK	facebook, never got what the big deal about it	01:02
vldcnst	no one did	01:02
lcuk	DocScrutinizer2, i was asking w00t_ specifically, because the same people censored should be censored for all facebook?	01:02
jacekowski	btw. is there a tor client for n900?	01:03
PHiZiK	yep	01:03
SpeedEvil	Ban TMO~	01:03
lcuk	jacekowski, agreeing with censorship for things you approve of might seem cool now	01:03
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lcuk	hiya lardman	01:04
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lardman	hey lcuk	01:06
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SpeedEvil	That's no ball!	01:09
DocScrutinizer2	FOUL!	01:09
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lcuk	o-O	01:10
DocScrutinizer2	Visual Basic for Anarchists	01:10
SpeedEvil	apt-get install bounce \ Reading package lists... Done \Building dependency tree \Reading state information... Done \E: Handler silently failed	01:11
SpeedEvil	hmm	01:11
MiXu-	I get the same thing when I try to install Fennec 1.1 Beta :(	01:11
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MiXu-	If I do it via appmanager it just gets stuck while installing	01:12
MiXu-	Hm. Or not. I tried again and it worked :o	01:13
jacekowski	is X-Fade around?	01:14
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lcuk	lardman, expert opinion	01:25
lcuk	required	01:25
lcuk	whos the guy in the first picture http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2010/06/09/computer-workstations/	01:26
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lcuk	is it who i think it is	01:26
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jacekowski	does anybody know what is used to build maemo packages	01:35
jacekowski	specificaly the 1st part that process input from dput	01:35
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trem	nite all, sweet dreams	01:42
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kthomas	anyway to get a nokia maps app running on an 810 at this point?	01:51
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jacekowski	i personally would try n900 version in chroot	01:54
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ljsdofuynsdfufuh	is it possible to plug a higher quality recording mic into the n900?	01:59
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SpeedEvil	You can plug a mic into the headset connection.	02:00
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SpeedEvil	I haven';t looked at the maximum quality though. I _think_ it's a 16 bit ADC	02:00
ljsdofuynsdfufuh	yeah, I want to record a concert	02:01
ljsdofuynsdfufuh	and would like something optimal	02:01
SpeedEvil	ok - not easily then	02:01
ljsdofuynsdfufuh	I'm surprised at how many random connectors work in that thing	02:01
SpeedEvil	possibly in the future with a woeking USB host.	02:01
SpeedEvil	Not now.	02:01
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ljsdofuynsdfufuh	well, for now I'm sure I can get something higher quality than the voice mic	02:02
SpeedEvil	I mwan - you can in principle plug a mic in - not that it will work if you just plug it in	02:02
SpeedEvil	It will at best be mono.	02:02
SpeedEvil	There are also bluetooth mics	02:02
SpeedEvil	you could in principle use one of those	02:02
SpeedEvil	However - that won't have supported software - so you'd need to implement that	02:03
ljsdofuynsdfufuh	well mono will be best anyway, because I can only be in one place at once with the n900 (unless it has the feature to split myself in two)	02:04
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ljsdofuynsdfufuh	what software would you use for recording with the analogue mic in?	02:04
SpeedEvil	I'm unsure.	02:04
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SpeedEvil	anything that will record from the headset will work.	02:04
SpeedEvil	I'm unsure if it's of reasonable quality - the A/D though	02:05
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DocScrutinizer2	also you need to take care about micbias setting and type of mic matching. Not any random mic will work	02:27
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SpeedEvil	yeah	02:28
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DocScrutinizer2	recording with recorder should probably be fine, if S16 @ 48kHz is used	02:28
DocScrutinizer2	also you'll need an adapter probably, to connect the mic to ring3 + 4(gnd)	02:29
ljsdofuynsdfufuh	yeah, where can I read about how that port works?	02:29
DocScrutinizer2	mompls	02:30
ljsdofuynsdfufuh	it seems to magically be compatible with different types of 1/4" jacks	02:30
ljsdofuynsdfufuh	lol	02:30
DocScrutinizer2	http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf	02:31
DocScrutinizer2	is the best spec I know of	02:31
DocScrutinizer2	Nokia's spec for the AV-connector is based on that one	02:31
ljsdofuynsdfufuh	cool thanks	02:32
SpeedEvil	Not magically, there are internal switches	02:33
ljsdofuynsdfufuh	indeed, they are not magnets	02:33
ljsdofuynsdfufuh	(sorry)	02:33
crashanddie	ljsdofuynsdfufuh: last time I'm warning about the nickname	02:33
ljsdofuynsdfufuh	oh shnap	02:33
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shorter	forgot it changes back when i log off	02:33
crashanddie	np	02:33
SpeedEvil	Magnets are not magic.	02:36
konfoo	ah thats fucking great - the power kernel with modest OC can kill your device's battery	02:36
SpeedEvil	They are based on the distortion of spacetime by the aligned spins of electrons in materials.	02:36
shorter	indeed, terrible reference and I hate memetics	02:37
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DocScrutinizer2	konfoo: uhuh. I'd be more concerned about it killing my CPU though	02:39
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konfoo	doc: yeah well, it can kill your battery as well	02:40
konfoo	in fact that didn't take long at all	02:40
konfoo	10 mins running gstreamer encode	02:40
konfoo	battery alert, poweroff, dead battery	02:40
DocScrutinizer2	LOL	02:40
DocScrutinizer2	:-X	02:40
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DocScrutinizer2	let's do a little math fancy: batery has ~4Wh, 10min = 0.167h; ergo 4Wh / 0.167h = 24W	02:42
DocScrutinizer2	do you think your device would survive a heating by 24W, for 10min?	02:43
konfoo	no, i mean kill as in heat	02:43
konfoo	but nod	02:43
opdf2	Is there a way for sound or some sort of notification when a contact gets online from Gtalk, Skype, etc?	02:43
konfoo	and the battery was not drained in 10 mins	02:44
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MohammadAG	opdf2, I guess it could be done with an app, but atm, no	02:49
lardman	night all	02:54
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MohammadAG	hmm	03:00
MohammadAG	df doesn't get updated by deleting files	03:00
MohammadAG	apparently	03:00
DocScrutinizer2	konfoo: actually this info is highly appreciated. It doesn't come by surprise, as LiIon tend to collapse at temperatures over 70°..1xx° C, due to separator meltdown, which shorts the cell and adds to the heat. It's amazing to hear bme failed to stop that effect for you	03:00
MohammadAG	Nokia-N900:/var/log# du -h	03:00
MohammadAG	165.7M.	03:00
MohammadAG	I'm removing sysklogd	03:01
DocScrutinizer2	konfoo: well, maybe it had stopped that, if it weren't the OC kernel	03:01
SpeedEvil	MohammadAG: youv'e got to sync	03:02
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SpeedEvil	how failed?	03:02
SpeedEvil	Diddn't catch fire	03:02
DocScrutinizer2	konfoo: maybe bme throttles CPU when cell heats up, and OC kernel made that safety measure fail, so the CPU heated your battery to the point where it had that infarct	03:02
MohammadAG	SpeedEvil,	03:02
shorter	If I add the dev and extra repositories will the phone then update to unstable software?	03:02
MohammadAG	Nokia-N900:/var/log# sync	03:02
MohammadAG	Nokia-N900:/var/log# df	03:02
MohammadAG	Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on	03:02
MohammadAG	rootfs 232868 232860 0 100% /	03:02
SpeedEvil	sync	03:03
MohammadAG	<MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:/var/log# sync	03:03
SpeedEvil	how did you manage to totally fill / ?	03:04
DocScrutinizer2	konfoo: anyway first firsthand report of a OC fatality. Please report on TMO :-)	03:04
MohammadAG	sysklogd,<MohammadAG> 165.7M .	03:04
MohammadAG	that's only /var/log ^	03:04
DocScrutinizer2	SpeedEvil: sync will trigger garbage collection?	03:04
DocScrutinizer2	ubifs!	03:05
SpeedEvil	yes	03:06
DocScrutinizer2	MohammadAG: space on NAND is freed on next boot, not the very moment you delete a file	03:06
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SpeedEvil	I thought also low free space would	03:06
DocScrutinizer2	maybe also on sync	03:06
DocScrutinizer2	SpeedEvil: you'd think it should	03:06
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SpeedEvil	yeah - it does on sync - just confirmed	03:07
SpeedEvil	I can see why lazy deallocation is good - but maybe that's a bit too lazy	03:07
N900rulz	guys what's the easiset way on the N900 to manipulate files on home PC when away from home? What soft do I need?	03:08
MohammadAG	doesn't work for me	03:09
MohammadAG	hmm	03:09
MohammadAG	use ssh from the N900 if you're on linux	03:09
shorter	that would be my first guess	03:10
shorter	especially if you can mount ssh volumes	03:10
N900rulz	I'm on Win 7	03:10
shorter	and then us a file manager	03:10
SpeedEvil	ssh fails hard if you try to move stuff	03:10
shorter	how danagerous is it really to add the developer repository?	03:10
SpeedEvil	sshfs	03:10
SpeedEvil	as it doesn't do rename	03:10
shorter	I want that app to change the startup vid, which is in the dev repos.	03:10
SpeedEvil	unless it does, and I'm confused again	03:11
SpeedEvil	shorter: I have currently ~30 apps installed from devel	03:11
N900rulz	is there a soft to access my pc remotely? sorry for noobish question	03:11
SpeedEvil	shorter: no issues	03:11
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SpeedEvil	shorter: However - enable devel - install the app - disable devel	03:11
SpeedEvil	N900rulz: there is a VNC client I thin	03:11
shorter	same with extras?	03:11
SpeedEvil	extras is meant to be safer	03:12
N900rulz	SpeedEvil: ok...will try	03:12
shorter	so should i disable extras usually?	03:12
lcuk	tested and stable	03:12
SpeedEvil	Ten people have to check the app to see it doesn't crash.	03:12
SpeedEvil	Then it has to go ten days after that.	03:12
lcuk	shorter, its enabled by default	03:12
SpeedEvil	Then the blood of ten virgins has to be shed on a nokia 3310.	03:12
shorter	not on mine, i just added extras	03:12
lcuk	the other in development repositories arent	03:12
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SpeedEvil	And then it goes into extras.	03:13
lcuk	~extras	03:13
infobot	hmm... extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras	03:13
shorter	yeahm, i meant extra testing	03:13
lcuk	Using Extras	03:13
shorter	sorry	03:13
lcuk	The Extras repository is pre-configured on the N900 and listed as maemo.org and is enabled by default in PR1.1.	03:13
lcuk	possibilities include not having pr1.1	03:14
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lcuk	or you removed it somehow	03:14
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shorter	when the phone updates, will having extra texting or dev repositories effect the updating process?	03:14
lcuk	shorter, usually no, but installing applications from these repositories might	03:15
SpeedEvil	Generally simply removing the app will make you able to upgrade	03:16
SpeedEvil	if there are problems	03:16
SpeedEvil	But I diddn't have problems - and probably had 15 apps from testing	03:16
lcuk	yeah SpeedEvil - majority dont have any issue whatsoever	03:17
lcuk	but the other repositories are more wild wild west, so its not possible to rule out	03:17
shorter	I just enabled extras testing and it found some updates to apps that i didnt have before I added extras testing......	03:17
lcuk	oh shorter thats normal, you had the apps installed	03:18
lcuk	but the developer hasnt pushed the latest bleeding edge to extras yet	03:18
shorter	ah, okay	03:18
lcuk	so until you added extras-devel you were using the latest "stable"	03:18
shorter	so when updating have testing and devel disabled	03:18
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lcuk	thats recommended for other reasons anyway	03:19
DocScrutinizer2	yeah, and I see a regression on xchat though I don't recall having updated at all o.O	03:19
lcuk	the size of the catalogues is quite large	03:19
lcuk	DocScrutinizer2, ?	03:19
lcuk	which regression	03:19
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shorter	great, was just scared of all the blog "brick phone" warnings about devel repositories and such	03:20
shorter	fear tactics!	03:20
DocScrutinizer2	I filed a bug about "add to favourites" in chan tab context menu doesn't work like expected. Now there isn't any such menu item in that context menu anymore .o0(???)	03:20
N900rulz	what's that vnc client called?	03:20
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lcuk	shorter, if you are a developer and sensible you can understand the differences and rationally deal with most things	03:21
lcuk	Nokia-N900:~# apt-cache search vnc	03:21
lcuk	vncviewer - A VNC viewer for maemo	03:21
lcuk	Nokia-N900:~#	03:21
DocScrutinizer2	or my mind need a chillout&refresh	03:21
N900rulz	lcuk: thanks	03:21
lcuk	N900rulz, use the syntax i just did in future to answer self ;)	03:22
N900rulz	lcuk: I see....cool	03:22
SpeedEvil	shorter: brick is very very unlikely in the classic sense.	03:22
SpeedEvil	shorter: Generally - the worst case - if you don't install anything with 'kernel' in the name - is that your device doesn't boot properly and you need to flash it	03:23
SpeedEvil	~flash	03:23
infobot	somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	03:23
lcuk	i just realised the x11 vnc server isnt around	03:23
shorter	omg conky is sexy on here	03:23
* lcuk has seen things sexier than conky		03:23
shorter	pics or ...	03:23
shorter	heh	03:23
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DocScrutinizer2	has anybody seen/not seen the "add to favs" context menu item in xchat?	03:24
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SpeedEvil	don't think so	03:24
DocScrutinizer2	damn, I'm not THAT mad, am I?	03:24
SpeedEvil	ass friends?	03:25
SpeedEvil	add friends even	03:25
SpeedEvil	when I click and hold on a nick	03:25
SpeedEvil	it doesn't seem to do the same in the channel switcher	03:25
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lcuk	DocScrutinizer2, when you tap/hold on a #chan name	03:25
SpeedEvil	(which I have on tree mode)	03:25
lcuk	you can add/remove from favorites	03:25
DocScrutinizer2	SpeedEvil: it doesn't work in tree mode, which is another bug I filed	03:26
DocScrutinizer2	lcuk: not here anymore	03:26
SpeedEvil	ah - yes	03:26
SpeedEvil	I get it if I enable tabs	03:27
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lcuk	i have no idea what chan favorites are tho	03:27
lcuk	doc, what version are you using	03:27
DocScrutinizer2	autojoin	03:27
SpeedEvil	Autojoin or notify	03:27
DocScrutinizer2	mompls	03:27
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MohammadAG	<lcuk> you can add/remove from favorites	03:28
MohammadAG	it doesn't save them on exit	03:28
MohammadAG	both on my PC and my N900	03:28
DocScrutinizer	2.8.6 Feb 22	03:28
lcuk	but the menu item is there?	03:28
lcuk	2.8.6 april 24 2010	03:29
DocScrutinizer	yes another bug	03:29
lcuk	is the regression you having an old build	03:29
DocScrutinizer	I refused to update, so the FEB 22 version is ok then	03:30
DocScrutinizer	wonder if that might be related to the znc bouncer?	03:31
DocScrutinizer	no menu item	03:31
lcuk	pass, ask RST38h about it?	03:31
lcuk	when hes here obviously	03:31
* lcuk vanishes anyway		03:32
DocScrutinizer	lemme restart that thing	03:32
lcuk	gnite guys	03:32
DocScrutinizer	nite	03:32
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DocScrutinizer51	tadaa, add/remove from Favourites is here again (without znc bouncer)	03:34
shorter	what does it mean when an installed app doesn't show up?	03:34
shorter	install was successful	03:34
pigeon	can you tell modest to do top quote during a reply?	03:34
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DocScrutinizer2	might mean it's an app without icon, and you need to start from terminal	03:36
shorter	oh, it says "error: cannot create configuration file"	03:36
shorter	that is probably why it didn't show up - i launched it from the term	03:36
DocScrutinizer2	pigeon: move the cursur under the quote?	03:36
pigeon	DocScrutinizer2: almost... it adds the signature at the top of the e-mail...	03:37
shorter	why wouldn't bootscreen app (from devel repo) not be able to create settings files?	03:37
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DocScrutinizer2	hmm, read the docs on project homepage, I'd suggest	03:39
DocScrutinizer2	bootscreen sounds quite like a task for root, for example	03:39
shorter	wow typing sudo before it helped, lol	03:40
DocScrutinizer2	see?	03:40
shorter	I wonder how people were running it not from the terminal	03:40
shorter	what do they run everything as root or something?	03:40
shorter	it usually has an icon	03:40
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shorter	ill figure it out	03:44
shorter	I wonder if restarting took as much battery as it looked like	03:45
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DocScrutinizer51	for sure not the restarting	03:50
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pigeon	modest does not download e-mail attachments unless you actually click on the attachments, right?	03:55
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skynets	rofl	03:56
skynets	im changing the digitizer	03:56
skynets	tried unscrewing the screen	03:56
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DocScrutinizer2	ok, scratch that "favourites" context issue. I switched to another server (actually my znc bouncer) by direct /cmd, so there isn't any entry in the server list where the favourites/autojoins could be added. Everything working perfectly reasonable wrt that	03:57
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skynets	the screw is striped :/	03:57
skynets	noooo	03:57
skynets	i cant use any thing to open it	03:57
skynets	anything*	03:57
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DocScrutinizer2	pigeon: I'd wonder how it'd do that, on my POP3 account	03:59
DocScrutinizer2	pigeon: dunno if such acrobatics are feasible n IMAP	03:59
derf	It's technically possible in POP3.	04:00
derf	But I'd be really surprised if modest actually did things that way.	04:00
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skynets	does anyone have an idea what i can do	04:01
SpeedEvil	skynets: Drill it out	04:01
SpeedEvil	I suggest using a 22mm masonry bit in a SDS drill.	04:01
SpeedEvil	On hammer.	04:01
skynets	when i drill it what will happen	04:02
pigeon	ok, well i'm using imap.	04:02
skynets	the whole thing cracks?	04:02
DocScrutinizer51	yes	04:03
DocScrutinizer51	get the right tool	04:03
SpeedEvil	More seriously.	04:03
SpeedEvil	The right drill can safely drill out the screw.	04:03
skynets	all i have is a portable drill with no battery left and i can't find the charger for it (4.5v)	04:04
SpeedEvil	This would ideally be a left-hand threaded bit in a pillar drill set at a relatively low speed.	04:04
skynets	i only found 6v	04:04
skynets	adapters	04:04
skynets	and i have pointy screws	04:04
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skynets	and all kinds of manual screw drivers	04:05
skynets	can i be mcgyver for this	04:05
shorter	does leaving wifi connected really drain the battery that much?	04:05
skynets	and drill it with the screw manually?	04:05
SpeedEvil	Generally - you never harm screws by pressing too hard with the screwdriver.	04:05
shorter	what battery saving strategies do yall use?	04:05
SpeedEvil	shorter: Not with a powersavin gAP	04:05
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SpeedEvil	shorter: I get ~120 hours battery life logged in over SSH with wifi	04:06
luke-jr	SpeedEvil: does SSH actually work w/ PSM on N900?	04:06
SpeedEvil	with mine, yes	04:06
luke-jr	how?	04:06
luke-jr	I thought PSM basically turned the radio off except when an app wanted it	04:07
SpeedEvil	The radio wakes up for a timeslice, and listens for the AP saying it has data for it - in the prearranged interval.	04:07
SpeedEvil	It then pings the AP - saying 'gimme'	04:07
SpeedEvil	As I understand it anyway	04:07
luke-jr	...	04:07
luke-jr	so really high latency	04:07
shorter	anything i need to do to configure psm?	04:08
SpeedEvil	luke-jr: 200-300ms typical	04:08
SpeedEvil	luke-jr: so noticable but not really painful	04:08
SpeedEvil	shorter: it's normally set to on. If you have a compliant router, it will 'just work'	04:08
skynets	i used the screw driver and a screw	04:09
skynets	now i can open the screen	04:09
skynets	but the bit is still in the hole	04:09
shorter	anyone here have an otterbox?	04:09
skynets	:S	04:09
skynets	dunno how i will close it	04:09
skynets	with another screw	04:09
shorter	running around with this thing scares me	04:09
DocScrutinizer51	SpeedEvil: easily several seconds when the AP isn't in sync	04:09
SpeedEvil	skynets: Now you need some way of firmly clamping on the screw, in order to remove it	04:09
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: yes - I'm saying what it normally does	04:09
skynets	:S	04:09
SpeedEvil	I would strongly recommend finding someone with a clue.	04:10
SpeedEvil	and tools	04:10
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DocScrutinizer51	yep	04:11
SpeedEvil	where are you skynets?	04:11
skynets	?	04:13
* MohammadAG gets out his Javelin		04:13
MohammadAG	he's asking where you live	04:13
DocScrutinizer51	lol	04:13
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skynets	canada	04:14
skynets	you?	04:14
SpeedEvil	It's OK, I don't stalk random people off #maemo, and kill them.	04:14
MohammadAG	coordinates?	04:14
SpeedEvil	Well - not often.	04:14
* MohammadAG targets skynets' garden		04:14
SpeedEvil	Scotland - so I probably can't help. :)	04:14
* MohammadAG fires at Scotland		04:14
DocScrutinizer51	skynets: EMEA here	04:14
skynets	cool	04:15
skynets	MohammadAG, the Javelin suits you for some reason :P	04:15
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MohammadAG	skynets, racist!	04:15
b-man	skynets: lol	04:15
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skynets	lol no don't worry alot of my friends are arabs	04:15
MohammadAG	sarcasm...	04:16
* MohammadAG slaps b-man		04:16
skynets	not sure if you're talking about my last line, but no i'm serious :D	04:16
b-man	MohammadAG: jk xDDDDD	04:16
MohammadAG	skynets, I was jk XDDDDDDD	04:17
MohammadAG	hmm	04:17
MohammadAG	b-man, is that bot in here? :P	04:17
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* DocScrutinizer51 puts a ticking Mk-57 next to MohammadAG's horizon		04:17
b-man	MohammadAG: i hope not lol	04:17
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b-man	MohammadAG: you maen Archabot or infobot?	04:18
b-man	*mean	04:18
* MohammadAG throws an unarmed tactical nuke at DocScrutinizer51		04:18
MohammadAG	enjoy	04:18
MohammadAG	b-man, archabot	04:18
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b-man	MohammadAG: NO. xD	04:18
MohammadAG	b-man, I expect to have a working Ubuntu rootfs image 10 minutes ago	04:19
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b-man	MohammadAG: btw, you grabbed the wrong nuke; that one was armed!	04:19
* b-man runs for the hills		04:19
MohammadAG	hmm, DocScrutinizer51's quiet all right	04:19
skynets	lol	04:20
MohammadAG	just got my bill, my dad's not gonna be happy	04:20
MohammadAG	XD	04:20
b-man	LOL	04:20
skynets	thanks SpeedEvil and the others who helped	04:20
MohammadAG	np racist	04:20
MohammadAG	:P	04:20
skynets	marhaba	04:20
MohammadAG	see? that's racism	04:21
MohammadAG	XDDDD	04:21
shorter	bill?	04:21
skynets	yeah it means sex	04:21
MohammadAG	phone bill	04:21
b-man	lol	04:21
MohammadAG	LOL	04:21
shorter	aren't you getting free service man - you seem to be contributing a lot...	04:21
MohammadAG	it means hi btw	04:21
* b-man dies		04:21
MohammadAG	shorter, nah, others contribute more	04:21
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MohammadAG	take b-man for example, he made a ROFL ascii	04:21
MohammadAG	now THAT's contribution	04:21
shorter	I hope to be soon too, just got this thing 2 days ago	04:21
b-man	lol	04:21
DocScrutinizer51	the laser pulse of the anti balistic missile measures was so bright, I still hardly can read the screen	04:22
b-man	DocScrutinizer51: blame MohammadAG for giving you the wrong nuke XD	04:22
MohammadAG	I swear they're f***ing with me	04:23
DocScrutinizer51	giving wasn't exactly the right word for that	04:23
MohammadAG	the gif is just making fun of me	04:23
b-man	DocScrutinizer51: ok, throwing xD	04:23
DocScrutinizer51	hmm yes, it's a balisyic curve mostly	04:24
MohammadAG	לצורך שמירה על הפרטיות שלך, נשלחה למכשירך הודעת sms המכילה קוד זיהוי חד פעמי. לאחר הקלדה של הקוד החד פעמי תוכל לצפות בפרטי החשבונית האחרונה שלך. <--- right... say what	04:24
DocScrutinizer51	so throwing isn't completely wrong	04:24
shorter	omg	04:24
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, you've annoyed me for the last time	04:24
* MohammadAG throws 10 nukes, only 1 is armed		04:24
DocScrutinizer51	damn	04:24
MohammadAG	you have 30 seconds to defuse the correct one	04:25
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer: he was a good lad	04:25
MohammadAG	I'm sure he'll be missed, by all 487 of us	04:26
shorter	I think I'm changing my boot screen to this: http://www.thecleverest.com/countdown.swf	04:26
* b-man noticed that someone was switching around MohammadAG's nukes		04:26
shorter	should me help this plane trip	04:26
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MohammadAG	that looks so broken on linux	04:26
MohammadAG	xD	04:26
DocScrutinizer51	ROTFL in TV there was just a duck that catched flies while sitting	04:27
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shorter	anyone have the lastfm app?	04:28
shorter	I don't see it anywhere except settings	04:28
skynets	wtf i dunno what to do with the new digitizer and plastic surrounding	04:29
MohammadAG	that only scrobbles	04:29
MohammadAG	k, it's getting late	04:29
MohammadAG	Night peeps	04:29
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: I misread that as fire.	04:29
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, I expect to see that nuke here in IL at 11AM	04:29
b-man	c ya MohammadAG	04:29
MohammadAG	LOL	04:29
MohammadAG	ducks catching fire	04:30
MohammadAG	would be... awkward	04:30
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shorter	oh	04:31
shorter	i thought you could listen via lastfm n900 app	04:31
shorter	eww	04:31
MohammadAG	hmm	04:32
MohammadAG	there's an app	04:32
MohammadAG	vagulime	04:32
MohammadAG	or vagulume	04:32
MohammadAG	or sth	04:32
MohammadAG	used it for a month, then cancelled my last.fm sub	04:32
DocScrutinizer51	hmm, my English is abysmal. Anyway I feel a duck catched flies but caught fire. Not sure if I'm completely wrong	04:32
MohammadAG	I figured that youtube kinda does the same, for free	04:32
* MohammadAG slaps DocScrutinizer51 for the night		04:33
* MohammadAG shuts down X server on screen 1		04:33
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MohammadAG	<MohammadAG> just got my bill, my dad's not gonna be happy	04:34
MohammadAG	<MohammadAG> XD	04:34
MohammadAG	<b-man> LOL	04:34
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MohammadAG	happy isn't the best word btw	04:34
HtheB	wtf is nuke age	04:35
MohammadAG	I'm off	04:35
HtheB	happy ending!?	04:35
HtheB	do u know happy ending!?	04:35
HtheB	:D	04:35
MohammadAG	not really, it would be... a quiet, radioactive one	04:35
HtheB	u should see it before going	04:35
MohammadAG	it goes KABOOM	04:35
skynets	MohammadAG is excited tonight	04:36
HtheB	MohammadAG	04:36
MohammadAG	skynets, yeah I'm high	04:36
MohammadAG	finished my 3rd bottle	04:36
MohammadAG	of water	04:36
HtheB	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btheeIEDIrE	04:36
HtheB	:D :D :D :D :D	04:36
HtheB	there u go!	04:36
skynets	mineralized i bet	04:36
MohammadAG	lolwut	04:37
MohammadAG	@ HtheB	04:38
MohammadAG	skynets, nah	04:38
HtheB	:D :D :D :D	04:38
HtheB	HAhahah	04:38
HtheB	happy endiiing!	04:38
DocScrutinizer51	5L of water when drunken quickly can be fatal	04:38
MohammadAG	true	04:38
MohammadAG	osmosis-y	04:38
DocScrutinizer51	yep	04:38
MohammadAG	and they're 0.5L :P	04:38
skynets	anyones got a manual or a guide	04:38
MohammadAG	yeah, man-db	04:39
skynets	to replace the fukking digitizer	04:39
MohammadAG	oh	04:39
MohammadAG	it's not that capable yet	04:39
MohammadAG	come back when PR1.3 is released	04:39
skynets	u know that surrounding piece	04:39
skynets	with Nokia	04:39
MohammadAG	last I checked, that was never	04:39
MohammadAG	oh	04:39
skynets	i can't get that around the digitizer	04:39
SpeedEvil	skynets: See the manual on the wiki	04:39
MohammadAG	that Nokia bezel isn't the digitizer	04:39
skynets	i want to put it around the digitizer but can't	04:40
MohammadAG	skynets, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVEHm325-z8	04:40
skynets	MohammadAG, i checked that but that guy ditched me at the end	04:40
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, he ^ disassembled the screen 4 times I think	04:40
MohammadAG	skynets, tweet him	04:40
skynets	i dont tweet	04:40
SpeedEvil	http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking skynets	04:41
MohammadAG	you should start to	04:41
HtheB	happy ending!	04:42
MohammadAG	lol	04:42
cure`	haha hardware hacking	04:42
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cure`	that's amazing	04:42
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DocScrutinizer51	that's ridiculous	04:43
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skynets	DocScrutinizer51	04:44
skynets	i can't get the surrounding plastic around the digitizer	04:44
skynets	it seems too tight	04:44
skynets	is there a trick for that	04:44
MohammadAG	use a screw driver	04:44
MohammadAG	to lever it into place	04:44
skynets	where do i start	04:44
MohammadAG	next to the clips most probably	04:45
MohammadAG	common sense helps, sometimes	04:45
DocScrutinizer51	skynets: i never disassembled thescreen	04:45
skynets	oh ok	04:45
MohammadAG	btw, I said sometimes	04:46
* MohammadAG sheds a tear on his old PS3		04:46
MohammadAG	ah well	04:46
MohammadAG	Night all	04:46
MohammadAG	~attack DocScrutinizer51	04:46
DocScrutinizer51	I strongly recommend to cling to L1/2 manual and the video on youtube	04:46
DocScrutinizer51	she asked	04:46
DocScrutinizer51	:-P	04:47
MohammadAG	why doesn't that bevel come attached anyways	04:47
MohammadAG	infobot, attack DocScrutinizer51	04:47
MohammadAG	that's an order!	04:47
MohammadAG	infobot, die	04:47
* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.		04:47
MohammadAG	~unforget attack	04:47
infobot	MohammadAG: cannot undeleted 'attack' because it already exists!	04:47
MohammadAG	o.o	04:47
HtheB	happy ending!	04:47
MohammadAG	infobot, attack b-man	04:47
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, she's broken again	04:47
* b-man runs		04:47
b-man	yay	04:47
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MohammadAG	funny enough, it happens on a monthly basis	04:47
skynets	comon sense broke my iphone :(	04:48
b-man	curiosity killed the cat	04:48
marmoute	iPhone broke comon sens anyway	04:48
MohammadAG	<b-man> curiosity killed the cat	04:48
MohammadAG	nope, cat works fine for me	04:48
MohammadAG	:P	04:48
HtheB	happy ending!!	04:48
MohammadAG	I think he's stuck	04:48
b-man	yup xD	04:49
marmoute	MohammadAG: but curiosity send SIGKILL to cat	04:49
* MohammadAG SEGFAULTS b-man		04:49
* b-man slaps HtheB out of it		04:49
HtheB	:(	04:49
HtheB	i like the video	04:49
* MohammadAG dumps b-man's core and sells it on ebay		04:49
HtheB	happy ending!	04:49
b-man	SEGMENTATION FAULT core dump	04:49
MohammadAG	b-man, too late, someone already got it	04:49
b-man	noes!	04:49
MohammadAG	he paid a buck	04:50
b-man	STACK OVERFLOW	04:50
HtheB	happy ending!!	04:50
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marmoute	Someone kill HtheB ?	04:50
HtheB	51?	04:51
HtheB	why kill me?	04:51
HtheB	I just want	04:51
HtheB	happy ending!!	04:51
HtheB	:D	04:51
MohammadAG51	I'm gonna pry this plymouth thingy	04:51
HtheB	im going to fall asleep	04:52
HtheB	marmoute,	04:52
* b-man gives HtheB a "happy ending" >;)		04:52
HtheB	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btheeIEDIrE	04:52
HtheB	i just have to rofl about it :D	04:52
HtheB	watch it, and ull know it :P	04:53
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MohammadAG51	why does the sun rise up so early	04:53
MohammadAG51	it's still 5 AM	04:53
b-man	hey, the sun sets at 10:15 here	04:53
b-man	*+pm	04:54
MohammadAG51	lol that's nothing	04:54
MohammadAG51	DocScrutinizer51, when does the sun set in good ol' Germany	04:54
MohammadAG51	last summer it used to set @...	04:54
MohammadAG51	12:30-ish	04:54
MohammadAG51	AM	04:54
DocScrutinizer2	I'm afraid in ~90 minutes	04:55
DocScrutinizer2	nah that's dawn	04:55
crashanddie	GAN900: thoughts? http://arrogantandcondescending.blogspot.com/2010/06/veil-is-vile-and-live-evil-says-levi_13.html	04:55
MohammadAG51	xD	04:55
b-man	LOL	04:55
MohammadAG51	crashanddie, scary title	04:55
HtheB	happy ending!!	04:56
* MohammadAG51 facesmacks		04:56
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, explain separation of church and state to whom?	04:56
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: sorry/	04:57
crashanddie	?	04:57
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, nevermind, I misread.	04:57
* b-man will facesmash if HtheB says happy ending again..		04:57
DocScrutinizer2	lo comods	04:57
GeneralAntilles	Despite the legacy shit in the Federal government, most day-to-day people really don't care much about religion.	04:57
HtheB	happy ending!!	04:57
HtheB	:D	04:57
* b-man smashes his face in from smacking it so hard		04:57
* b-man falls down dead		04:58
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HtheB	b-man, did u watch the vid?	04:58
MohammadAG51	doubt it, b-man is one serious grown up	04:58
HtheB	:D	04:59
MohammadAG51	#maemo disrupts my normal sleep patterns	04:59
MohammadAG51	Night, ffs	05:00
crashanddie	night	05:00
b-man	g'night	05:00
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crashanddie	MohammadAG51: 4Am here if it makes you feel any better	05:00
MohammadAG51	5 AM	05:00
HtheB	nite	05:00
MohammadAG51	so.. no not really :P	05:00
MohammadAG51	Night	05:00
HtheB	happy ending!!	05:00
HtheB	:D	05:00
b-man	MohammadAG51: SLEEP lol	05:00
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HtheB_	-_-	05:02
HtheB_	ok ok	05:02
HtheB_	I'm going aswell :p	05:02
HtheB_	4.02 already over here	05:02
HtheB_	._.	05:02
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HtheB_	that wasnt very happy ending at all hehe	05:02
HtheB_	anyway	05:02
HtheB_	nite all	05:02
HtheB_	and you too b-man	05:02
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HtheB	well... cya later guys	05:03
HtheB	and remember:	05:03
HtheB	happy ending!!	05:03
HtheB	:D	05:03
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b-man	-_-	05:03
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ds3	before I go down the wrong road, can someone confirm that the old Linux flasher will work with the N900 and PR1.2 assuming PR1.2 is available as a Fiasco image	05:14
crashanddie	ds3: yes	05:15
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ds3	and does upgrading via the flasher wipe out the emmc?	05:15
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GeneralAntilles	ds3, not unless you tell it to.	05:19
GeneralAntilles	and provide an eMMC image.	05:19
GeneralAntilles	ds3, why flashing?	05:19
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ds3	GA: how else do I upgrade w/o to PR1.2 w/o installing windows?	05:22
GeneralAntilles	ds3, OTA?	05:22
GeneralAntilles	From the application manager	05:22
ds3	doesn't seem to offer that option	05:22
GeneralAntilles	ds3, hrm, apt-get dist-upgrade spits out what, exactly?	05:22
ds3	one sec	05:22
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GeneralAntilles	ds3, the likeliest story is that you removed the update metapackage at some point using apt.	05:23
DocScrutinizer	you should mention it's not supposed to answer Y	05:23
GeneralAntilles	Aye, that.	05:23
ds3	E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.	05:24
ds3	is that why it doesn't even offer the option in app mgr?	05:24
GeneralAntilles	ds3, nope.	05:24
GeneralAntilles	If the metapackage isn't installed, h-a-m wont know to offer the upgrade.	05:24
GeneralAntilles	Since the packages being updated aren't in user/	05:25
GeneralAntilles	*	05:25
ds3	dpkg -l \| grep for what?	05:25
ds3	update?	05:25
GeneralAntilles	What the hell is the name of the metapackage now?	05:25
DocScrutinizer	maemo5?	05:25
GeneralAntilles	Is that the package name?	05:25
DocScrutinizer	mompls, as I still have it pending in HAM, I can look	05:26
GeneralAntilles	mp-fremantle-generic-pr	05:26
GeneralAntilles	I think.	05:26
DocScrutinizer	HAM will need 5 min though, to startup	05:26
ds3	ii mp-fremantle-002-pr 3.2010.02-8.002	05:27
ds3	that is there	05:27
GeneralAntilles	Hrm	05:27
GeneralAntilles	Run an apt-get update and see if everything responds?	05:28
ds3	will apt-get update confirm before doing anything dangerous?	05:28
ds3	<-- kernel guy	05:28
DocScrutinizer51	nodanger	05:29
ds3	running...	05:29
ds3	it looks happy, there were some Hit/Ignlines but no errors	05:30
lcuk	ds3, backup first	05:30
lcuk	then you can just reflash restore if you screw up	05:31
ds3	backup is tricky with all the third party apps saving things all over; which is why I been taking so long	05:31
GeneralAntilles	ds3, update just refetches the catalogs.	05:31
GeneralAntilles	Most of the 3rd party stuff is pretty good about backing up with the built-in tool.	05:31
ds3	don't have a 20G drive online handy	05:31
lcuk	ds3, from what ive encountered, its quite a reasonable uptake	05:31
ds3	hmmmm... either it is doing it quietly or it isn't doing t cuz it only lists standard apps when it runs	05:32
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ds3	guess I'll resume course with a full backup of every filesystem on there before running the fiasco flasher	05:33
ds3	any chance that installing an alt kernel would be what's preventing an OTA upgrade?	05:34
GeneralAntilles	Shouldn't	05:34
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DocScrutinizer51	I got custom kernel, and HAM says "damaged, but upgradeable"	05:35
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DocScrutinizer51	for maemo5	05:35
DocScrutinizer51	(no idea what's the name of the pkg)	05:35
ds3	I also get other weird things from appmgr... i.e.it tells me there is an update for koffice viewer but it cannot update it due to missing libs	05:35
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DocScrutinizer51	(ham doesn't tell such redundant info :-P)	05:35
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DocScrutinizer51	missing libs is a quite reasonable warning for a 1.2 app on a 1.1.1 device	05:37
ds3	that predates the official existance of PR1.2	05:37
ds3	App Mgr tells me:	05:38
DocScrutinizer51	hmm, quite some apps werebuilt against 1.2 before it emerged	05:38
ds3	"This Maemo update requires the Nokia software update application on your PC for installation."	05:38
ds3	that sounds like it wants to do a full flash	05:38
DocScrutinizer51	yea	05:38
ds3	unless it wants me to just hit continue instead of looking at the details	05:39
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GeneralAntilles	ds3, that means package conflicts	05:57
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ds3	I see	06:22
ds3	would recommendation be to do a verbatim backup and fiasco flash or to deinstall apps one by one til it takes an OTA upgrade?	06:23
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ech0Asus	ahhhh wtf	06:27
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shorter	does gps not work without a sim card or something?	08:08
shorter	the satellite thing just blinks - does it not work very well or is mine broken or soemthing?	08:09
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swc\|666	shorter, maybe disable the network positioning checkbox from Settings > Location .. not sure if that will fix it	08:41
shorter	is there a good compass emulator for n900?	08:43
shorter	also, is there a way to have the pkgmanager not have to reload everything everytime you install a new app or change the repositories?	08:44
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shorter	swc\|666: I don't see things settings parameter in Maps...	08:49
swc\|666	shorter, in the actual Maemo Settings > Location	08:50
swc\|666	shorter, i don't know about the pkgmanager, i use apt from terminal to install stuff	08:51
shorter	how do you browse apps?	08:52
shorter	i mean, just looking for new things etc	08:52
swc\|666	apt-cache search	08:52
swc\|666	i generally know what i want to install	08:53
shorter	ah, I guess I could use the regular pkg manager to browser and then apt to isntall	08:53
shorter	what is this network positioning thing?	08:54
shorter	the satellite is still blinking, and in Maps it has a line through it	08:55
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digitalsurgeon	any newbie guide to packaging ?	09:54
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macbeth8c	hi I need help	10:37
macbeth8c	I have device N900	10:37
macbeth8c	I have connected to wireless network with the password	10:37
macbeth8c	is there a way to remove the password from the device memory now when I disconnected it?	10:38
macbeth8c	it was borrowed I need to give it back	10:38
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macbeth8c	ok nevermind	10:42
macbeth8c	;-)	10:42
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macbeth8c	how to off the device??	10:46
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psycho_oreos	press and hold the power button?	10:50
RST38h	Anyone knows how I can use textures in GLES?	10:50
macbeth8c	psycho_oreos, the small one?	10:50
psycho_oreos	macbeth8c, yes the small one, in the middle	10:50
Venemo	macbeth8c: App menu / settings / connectivity / connections -> remove the wifi in question	10:50
RST38h	The approach shown in the examples on the web does not work	10:51
macbeth8c	psycho_oreos, Im pressing like 30 sec and nothing	10:51
macbeth8c	and when I press once the button menu appears	10:51
psycho_oreos	macbeth8c, ok then hit turn off the device	10:52
shorter	I wonder how hard it would be to port an app like xcalib to maemo - It would be really cool to be able to invert the display	10:52
macbeth8c	there is an item switch off! when I choose it nothing happenning	10:52
shorter	can any maemo pdf readers invert, btw?	10:52
psycho_oreos	normally pressing and holding the power button the device should turn off, but there is probably some app that is hanging and needs to be forcefully shut down	10:52
macbeth8c	psycho_oreos, how to check it?	10:52
psycho_oreos	macbeth8c, rather than going about checking it, I'd suggest opening up terminal, gain root access and then type in poweroff	10:53
macbeth8c	ok I'll try	10:54
psycho_oreos	macbeth8c, should be lot faster than figuring out the culprit process which might happen to be zombified	10:54
macbeth8c	ok done thanks psycho_oreos	10:54
macbeth8c	:-)	10:54
psycho_oreos	macbeth8c, no worries	10:54
macbeth8c	psycho_oreos, do you know how to get the sim card out?	10:57
macbeth8c	Im trying to open the cover	10:57
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psycho_oreos	macbeth8c, there's online user manual that shows you how to do it	10:57
psycho_oreos	or even the manual that comes with the device	10:57
macbeth8c	I dont have the one that comes with device, its borrowed	10:58
psycho_oreos	http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_N900_UG_en.pdf	10:59
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shorter	any ideas on how to invert the display or change background color for reading documents?	11:00
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eternal197	quick question for anyone here, attempting to get video calls with skype working, however before i begin i've noticed the front camera quality has decreased severely in pr1.2, anyone else noticed this/ know whats happened?	11:01
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macbeth8c	ok psycho_oreos I red it - no button pressing ;-)	11:01
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Venemo	eternal197: for me, it is increased	11:02
Venemo	however, it is still very bad	11:02
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Venemo	it somehow doesn't compensate for light conditions correctly	11:03
eternal197	hmmm perhaps thats what i'm noticing, as i am in a fairly dimly lit room	11:04
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macbeth8c	psycho_oreos, thank you I got it out :)	11:05
eternal197	Venemo: anything special about the way you updated to pr1.2, something I might have missed that might be my issue?	11:05
Venemo	I reflashed eMMC then rootfs	11:05
Venemo	for me, in bright sunlight, its picture is WAY too light and washed out	11:06
Venemo	in artificial lighting conditions, it is barely even visible	11:06
Venemo	but in PR 1.1, it was even worse... :(	11:06
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digitalsurgeon	how can i get rid of this error: Packaging Error: Command 'dh_shlibdeps' failed. Output was: c:\nokiaqtsdk\maemo\4.6.2\madbin\dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libqtflickr.so.0 needed by debian/easywallpapers/usr/local/bin/EasyWallpapers (its RPATH is 'C:/usr/lib'). Note: libraries are not searched in other binary packages that do not have any shlibs or symbols file. To help dpkg-shlibdeps find private libraries, you might need to set LD_LIB	11:07
digitalsurgeon	i am using the Nokia Qt SDK RC 1.0	11:07
digitalsurgeon	on Win 7	11:07
digitalsurgeon	and trying to make a package for the n900	11:07
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Venemo	digitalsurgeon: ask this on #qt-maemo channel	11:08
digitalsurgeon	thanks	11:08
Venemo	you will more likely get a correct answer in there	11:08
psycho_oreos	swc\|666, ping!	11:08
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swc\|666	psycho_oreos, pong	11:10
psycho_oreos	swc\|666, pm?	11:10
swc\|666	psycho_oreos, of course	11:10
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dr34m	hm anybody knows if there will be support for endomondo.com on the n900 ?	11:24
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lbt	lcuk: ping	11:38
lbt	meeting up in Helsinki tonight? http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Eerikinkatu+24,%20Helsinki at about 6pm local time	11:41
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Ken-Young	ping MohammadAG51	11:42
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timeless	lbt: hrm	11:43
timeless	a couple of us are doing stuff early	11:43
timeless	if your plans fit, we might be able to squeeze them in	11:43
lbt	we're just going for a drink/meal	11:44
timeless	lbt: so.. you in town for an extended interval?	11:47
timeless	lunch tomorrow could be more +interesting people	11:47
lbt	just our regular 1day team meeting	11:48
lbt	we're too ad-hoc to plan lunches reliably	11:48
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Jaffa	Bah. Easy week for MWKN - only one submission.	11:50
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Stskeeps	frals, ping	11:51
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lbt	Jaffa: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder	11:58
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Jaffa	lbt: Oooh, MeeGo Core as well as Fremantle	11:59
lbt	that was the idea :)	12:00
lbt	and it built last night	12:00
lbt	I'm meeting Tero and Niels tomorrow	12:00
lbt	HW is "in the US"	12:00
lbt	scoop!!	12:00
lbt	however...	12:00
lbt	Tero isn't sure that we should 'launch' the community OBS as a single entity doing both MeeGo and Maemo	12:01
lbt	so don't overblow that idea in MWKN	12:01
Jaffa	lbt: No, of course not. Having continuity for long standing Maemo contributors is just plain crazy. MeeGo should continue its scorched earth policy with everything maemo.org related.	12:02
lbt	(although I'm working on persuading him... so subtle "wouldn't it be good if")	12:02
lbt	ROFL	12:02
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lbt	or you could say that	12:02
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* Jaffa 'll try for subtle ;-)		12:02
lbt	actually....	12:02
* lbt wonders about an anonymoud coward comment...		12:02
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lbt	see if you can editorialise.... a community quote "whoul would like to remain anonymous "	12:04
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RST38h	http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7147910.ece	12:11
RST38h	ehehe	12:11
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pancake	is nokia planning to release the GSM support of n900 for ofono some day?	12:29
alterego	It's already available.	12:30
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pancake	voice and data?	12:36
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alterego	presumably, as that's what they're using in meego	12:37
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pancake	oh, will check that	12:38
pancake	thanks	12:38
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LiraNuna	is Nokia releasing GPL code for the N900 modem?	13:13
LiraNuna	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50763	13:13
LiraNuna	"Our adaptation guys are in fact contributing those modem subsystem related drivers as we speak, and if you are following kernel mailing lists you can see how that goes on."	13:14
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SpeedEvil	The actuall modem code will never be released. The interaction code - possibly.	13:19
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LiraNuna	SpeedEvil, what chip is it?	13:22
SpeedEvil	?	13:22
SpeedEvil	oh	13:22
SpeedEvil	It's some nokia part developed with IP from TI	13:22
LiraNuna	blah, TI again	13:22
SpeedEvil	http://www.visualcv.com/fgoeusse	13:23
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alterego	bleugh, TI, bluergh	13:42
nextime	it is better to use hildon or pyside to write a python application on maemo right now?	13:43
alterego	I wish Imagination would just open their friggin' drivers, or specs :)	13:43
alterego	nextime: that kind of depends on whether you wan yor app to function with minimal modification on the next device or the community edition of MeeGo/Harmattan for the N900	13:44
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alterego	nextime: hildon is probably a bit easier as PySide has a tendancy to segfault on poor reference counting implementation ..	13:45
nextime	alterego: i will happy to see it work with meego too (or a fork from maemo who hope will be annunced by the community in future as i don't like meego )	13:45
nextime	but for the moment it is importat that it can have a good integration with the maemo5 gui	13:45
alterego	nextime: you don't like MeeGo? it's not even out yet! :P	13:46
nextime	alterego : yep, but the lose of the "debian like base" in meego is, for me, a bad thing	13:46
alterego	nextime: my app is Qt, there should be no UI look&feel issues if that's what you mean :P	13:46
nextime	as i'm a debian fanatic and this is one of the most important things that make me choice an n900	13:46
nextime	:D	13:46
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nextime	s/choice/choose	13:47
alterego	nextime: I feel your pain there, I'm an avid debian user myself, but, it's still Linux and the differences are mostly cosmetic :P	13:47
nextime	alterego : it isn't cosmetic. I have my own debian reposiitory, i have set of personal tools to manage db packages. I don't like the need to start another set with rpm packages.	13:48
alterego	There was alk of a debian based MeeGo instance, I'd like to see that continue :)	13:48
* MohammadAG51 hates rpm		13:49
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alterego	nextime: sure, but it can all be done with rpms too, it's not the end of the world and tbh, the benifits of what MeeGo will bring to embedded Linux far out weight debian fanatacism :)	13:49
alterego	MohammadAG51: for technical reasons? Or just fanboism :P	13:50
MohammadAG51	alterego, benefits? what benefits?	13:50
MohammadAG51	technical reasons - it's fsc*ing slow	13:50
alterego	MohammadAG51: common open infrastructure and framework.	13:50
nextime	alterego : i know that all can be done with rpm. I don't say that deb is better or rpm is better. I say that i ALREADY have a lot of tools that i use for my personal needs on ALL my platforms, and i hate to be pushed to another package system cause of the "duplication" of the work	13:50
nextime	this is my point	13:51
MohammadAG51	well, I don't see any open apps being fixed	13:51
alterego	indeed.	13:51
alterego	MohammadAG51: ?	13:51
alterego	regardless, it's sad, but it's the future :P	13:52
MohammadAG51	alterego, take modest or HAM, both need fixes, that should be quie easy, but.. nothing	13:52
MohammadAG51	I'm not complaining btw, just pointing it out	13:52
alterego	I think HAM is being relaced?	13:52
alterego	and it's not MeeGo :P	13:52
MohammadAG51	relaced?	13:52
alterego	replaced ...	13:52
nextime	MohammadAG51 : i'm starting just now to write an alternative to modest :)	13:52
alterego	Sorry I tend to type scht on the N900 in IRC for some reason. :)	13:53
MohammadAG51	nextime, why not fix modest, a lot of use IMAP IDLE (nokia messaging)	13:53
nextime	MohammadAG51 : cause there are so many things i don't like in modest	13:53
MohammadAG51	of us* use	13:53
nextime	MohammadAG51 : anyway, my point is to have a great support on imap-idle	13:54
nextime	MohammadAG51 : and. modest actually DOESN'T support imap idle for real.	13:54
MohammadAG51	I know, it's quite shitty :P	13:55
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nextime	MohammadAG51 : basically i'm thinking about make a bindings library on mutt for python, and write in this way a gui frontend for maemo over mutt	13:55
alterego	Are there no good mail handling libraries available already?	13:56
alterego	Like, standard Linux ones?	13:57
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nextime	alterego : there are a lot good libraries, but mutt is the best mua in my opinion	13:57
alterego	Is there a libmutt? :)	13:57
alterego	nextime: I thought you were writing an mua, wrapping mutt seems a bit ugly :/	13:57
nextime	alterego: i'm just doing some preliminar research, the two possible ways are one mua from scratch or a mutt frontend	13:58
nextime	i want to have a very complete and good mua but i hope to reach the goal in less time i can	13:58
alterego	MohammadAG51: I've come up with another app idea, I think it'll be quite cool if I do it write, and I definitely think you'd be interested in it. Though it's a sizeable project.	13:59
nextime	so, i'm investigating which one of those two is the most rapid	13:59
* MohammadAG51 gulps		13:59
MohammadAG51	alterego, what is it :)	13:59
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alterego	Heh, I want to write a UI that allows you to attach dbus signals to method invokations.	14:00
alterego	with some rudimentary scripting maybe.	14:00
SpeedEvil	zenity+sh	14:00
MohammadAG51	DocScrutinizer, Germany vs australia @ 7:30, bolt the door :P	14:00
MohammadAG51	read that as attack dbus	14:01
DocScrutinizer	yes	14:01
DocScrutinizer	:-(	14:01
alterego	Basically, I want a user to be able to "wire" up say, headphone's being unplugged to pausing the media player.	14:01
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MohammadAG51	hasn't someone already done that? :)	14:01
alterego	That specific function sure.	14:01
MohammadAG51	good project though, if you understand dbus :P	14:01
lcuk	alterego, and users	14:02
alterego	But I'm want to develop a more semantic generic service.	14:02
spb	when did you become a middle manager?	14:02
* SpeedEvil wants tap implemented.		14:02
alterego	spb: get out :P	14:02
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MohammadAG51	SpeedEvil, tap?	14:04
a-saint	hi guys I need to know is overclocking n900 safe and what is it for	14:04
MohammadAG51	infobot, overclocking	14:04
alterego	so, just jotting some ideas at the moment, I'll hack something together with object introspection and PySide and see how well it works. Should be fine for simple method calls at least.	14:04
infobot	"OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?"	14:04
SpeedEvil	MohammadAG51: the accelelrometer supports 'tap' functions. Which generate interrupts when tapped	14:05
alterego	Passing parameters around maybe more difficult and require some level of abstraction and logic to allow a user to use it.	14:05
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MohammadAG51	SpeedEvil, hmm, that was available in previous Nokia phones (E66 iirc)	14:05
MohammadAG51	hmm, is the accelerometer on when the screen is off?	14:06
SpeedEvil	Not by default I think.	14:06
SpeedEvil	But in 'sense taps' mode it uses almost no power	14:06
SpeedEvil	(with regards to the rest of the phone - no power.	14:06
SpeedEvil	It interrupts, the CPU does not poll this.	14:07
SpeedEvil	http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Accelerometer	14:07
alterego	need to think of a decent name for the project though ....	14:08
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SpeedEvil	Buscatcher.	14:09
a-saint	hi guys I need to know is overclocking n900 safe and what is it for	14:09
SpeedEvil	a-saint: It's making the n900 faster. It may not be safe.	14:09
SpeedEvil	It is not like overclocking desktops.	14:09
vldcnst	a-saint: overclocking the n900 is like taking bad drugs, it will make the n900 a bit faster but it will kill it much sooner.	14:10
alterego	a-saint: if you don't know, then I wouldn't worry about it :P	14:10
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lcuk	the biggest problem i have with overclocking my phone is the fact when i talk to people on non overclocked phones, my voice sounds like a chipmonk	14:11
vldcnst	lcuk: doctor who presented a solution to that problem in the last episode.	14:11
alterego	lcuk: hahah	14:12
alterego	that was funny :)	14:12
alterego	don't spoil it, I'm gonna watch it in a bit :P	14:12
a-saint	SpeedEvil Buscatcher is a reply for me ?	14:12
SpeedEvil	no	14:12
SpeedEvil	To MohammadAG51	14:13
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: ack, I don't get it why gmeter seems to be disabled by default	14:13
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: Because these are software peopel.	14:13
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: Oh - it measures accel - we must have to poll it.	14:13
DocScrutinizer	:-S	14:13
SpeedEvil	-> turn it off when not in use	14:14
DocScrutinizer	you checked the kernel driver?	14:14
DocScrutinizer	what it is they actually do?	14:14
SpeedEvil	Not bothered, as with the accel on, you can observe interrupts when you bang the phone on the table	14:14
psycho_oreos	any of you guys use kismet/airodump-ng ?	14:15
SpeedEvil	So it obviously works.	14:15
DocScrutinizer	of course it works	14:15
SpeedEvil	I mean in kernel driver in some limited manner	14:15
SpeedEvil	Actually - that may just be the default settings.	14:16
DocScrutinizer	it's the same design we used for OM Freerunner and even 1973 ;-P	14:16
SpeedEvil	No, it's not.	14:16
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SpeedEvil	1973 has no accel	14:16
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SpeedEvil	Unless I'm forgetting stuff.	14:16
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lcuk	1973 had ford capri didnt it?	14:16
DocScrutinizer	I had no coffeee yet, so forgive my brain not yet at working temp	14:16
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* SpeedEvil places DocScrutinizers head in microwave.		14:17
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lcuk	http://www.dragtimes.com/1973-Ford-Capri-Pictures-7904.html	14:17
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DocScrutinizer	anyway http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Accelerometer	14:22
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MohammadAG51	lcuk, extended displays @ different res-s do work!	14:22
steverm	hi guys what is overclocking n900 for and is it safe	14:23
alterego	erm, .. deja vu	14:23
pupnik	Lapto15.9 watts watching a divx movie while chatting, full screen brightness	14:24
pupnik	what does n900 need for that? :) 0.3 watts?	14:24
DocScrutinizer	~overclocking	14:24
infobot	"OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?"	14:24
SpeedEvil	pupnik: More like 1.1W	14:24
SpeedEvil	steverm: It makes the n900 faster, and no it is not safe.	14:25
pupnik	you have seen battery drain over 400mw SpeedEvil ?	14:25
lcuk	MohammadAG51, cool	14:25
DocScrutinizer	steverm: just yesterday we had a report here of a device almost killed by 10min of mpeg encoding at OC	14:25
SpeedEvil	pupnik: yes.	14:26
steverm	SpeedEvil ok thanks that's what I needed to know	14:26
SpeedEvil	pupnik: ~3.1W	14:26
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steverm	SpeedEvil ok one more question, I use msn pekan but I can't see any of my contacts, what is the plugin needed for me to see them	14:28
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SpeedEvil	No clue, sorry.	14:28
MohammadAG51	Try Haze	14:29
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MohammadAG51	ALG vs SVN - game started	14:33
th3hate	ALG ftw	14:33
th3hate	2-0 plz	14:33
pupnik	SpeedEvil: if i didn't know you i'd guess that was BS!	14:34
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SpeedEvil	pupnik: I think you may be confusing mA and mW	14:50
SpeedEvil	pupnik: mW=mA*volts	14:50
SpeedEvil	pupnik: Also - the screen uses 250mA or so on its own at brightest	14:51
SpeedEvil	3G can use the same again	14:51
ham5	cant I view rootfs ?	14:52
pupnik	you're right SpeedEvil ty	14:52
ham5	file browser dosent cut it	14:52
SpeedEvil	ham5: Install cuteexploere - for example	14:55
SpeedEvil	Or just use xterm	14:55
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pigeon	hmm, why would an app not appear in the "add shortcut" list on the desktop, but it does appear in the application menu?	14:58
ham5	thanks	14:59
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lcuk	pigeon, most likely because you have a widget on the desktop already	15:04
lcuk	and if not, it mightv just got its knickers in a twist	15:04
lcuk	see if it comes back after rebooting	15:04
lcuk	ive noticed at different times (mostly with add/remove/reinstall apps) that it can occasionally happen	15:04
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pigeon	hmm	15:07
pigeon	it's not widget, it's an app shortcut, and i tried rebooting already.	15:08
lcuk	mhm dunno then	15:08
pigeon	/usr/share/applications/hildon/mobilehotspot.desktop	15:08
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alterego	shame we can't have minus stars on threads :)	15:33
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alterego	And is there a brainstorm for sorting out t.m.o? I think it's getting better by itself a bit though ..	15:50
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MOUD	Hey all	15:53
MOUD	how can I watch world cup on my n900?	15:54
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alterego	MOUD: find a flash based streaming service that works I guess ...	16:01
MOUD	alterego: That's the problem. I cant find any	16:04
MOUD	if you could link one please	16:04
Jaffa	MOUD: Where are you based?	16:05
alterego	sky sports usually do streaming I believe ..	16:05
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Jaffa	tvcatchup.com or iPlayer may work in the UK.	16:05
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MOUD	Jaffa: Saudi Arabia atm. I travel to many countries whenever i have to	16:09
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melmoth	gosh... how complicated is it to find where to download the maemo sdk for debian ?	16:27
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melmoth	last time i checked (2 days ago), there was a bundle (sdk+qtcreator) that miserablt failed to install on ubuntu	16:28
melmoth	i want to try again on a fresh debian, but cannot find the url again	16:28
vldcnst	X-Fade: here?	16:28
melmoth	maemo.org gives url to the manual install....	16:29
melmoth	http://qt.nokia.com/products/platform/maemo/ gives url to the sources...;	16:29
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MohammadAG51	infobot, ping	16:35
infobot	~pong	16:35
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HtheB	MohammadAG51, are you there?	16:35
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MohammadAG51	HtheB, yeah, not home though	16:36
HtheB	ah	16:36
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HtheB	ok,	16:36
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HtheB	where are you ? :P	16:36
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w00t_	any pyqt people around? I'm trying to prototype something insane and I've forgotten most of how it works, which isn't helping	16:40
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Jaffa	Gah. So utterly pissed off and demotivated. One single throw away discussion can destroy your optimism	16:42
Jaffa	(not entirely Maemo related ;-))	16:43
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w00t_	never mind, C++ it is	16:47
w00t_	Jaffa: what's up?	16:47
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alterego	w00t_: i'm somewhat familiar with PySide :) what's your problem?	16:50
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w00t_	alterego: I couldn't figure out how templates (like QList<QWidget*>) would translate, so I just decided to stop translating.. I probably think quicker in C++ right now anyway	16:51
Jaffa	w00t_: Primarily work stuff (although frustrated with MeeGo). Some of my colleagues are sidelining me (or rather it feels like they are), despite management claiming I'm essential.	16:52
alterego	:) fair nuff. qlists just get converted to lists I believe.	16:52
Jaffa	w00t_: Not sure if it's conscious "we don't need to talk to him anymore"; or whether it's subconscious "out-of-sight/out-of-mind" stuff. Neither makes me happy :-(	16:52
w00t_	hmm :-(	16:53
* w00t_ pats		16:53
Jaffa	Ta.	16:53
Jaffa	w00t_: So, if I'm abrupt in replying to your posts; sorry ;-)	16:53
w00t_	it's ok, i'm used to it!	16:53
w00t_	:-P	16:53
Jaffa	:-p	16:54
* Jaffa needs to talk to lbt again		16:54
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DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: sounds like "DocS trying to talk to TPE EE, via email from Germany" been there, seen that :-S	16:57
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Jaffa	lo crashanddie	16:59
DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: sometimes I felt like talking to a spamfilter or autoresponder	16:59
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Jaffa	DocScrutinizer: Know that feeling :-(	16:59
DocScrutinizer	and the 79 different meanings of "yes" in chinese lang, from "great idea" till "fsck you", didn't really help on better comunications either :-P	17:01
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Jaffa	Heh	17:02
DocScrutinizer	"will you agree on those suggestions?" YES - "...or do you think it's BS?" YES	17:04
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HtheB	AAAAAAAAARG!	17:16
HtheB	im getting nuts!	17:16
HtheB	>.<	17:16
* HtheB needs help with NITdroid		17:17
alterego	Sunday flame wars, gotta love 'em	17:17
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HtheB	jo Guest68707 !	17:17
crashanddie	lo Jaffa	17:18
HtheB	cant get it to work :(	17:18
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Guest68707	still not home	17:18
Guest68707	err	17:18
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DocScrutinizer	booooooooooooooring!!	17:29
HtheB	can anyone help me	17:30
alterego	indweedy	17:30
HtheB	with NITdroid on N900	17:30
HtheB	....	17:30
DocScrutinizer	see /topic	17:30
HtheB	ofcourse its boring if you dont help me >:(	17:30
HtheB	:P	17:30
* DocScrutinizer ponders to set up several autoresponders for HtheB		17:31
alterego	hahah,	17:31
HtheB	happy ending!?	17:31
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DocScrutinizer	one being /on regex('ending\!') msg "/cs op #maemo", msg "/kick HtheB "	17:33
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HtheB	:D :D :D :D	17:34
HtheB	why the hell..	17:34
HtheB	happy ending?!	17:34
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HtheB	:D	17:34
DocScrutinizer	It'd be fun to see you kicked on any random person posting "bla blub ending! chiao HtheB !"	17:34
HtheB	hahaha	17:34
HtheB	happy ending!	17:35
HtheB	:D	17:35
HtheB	meh	17:35
HtheB	that video just made my day	17:35
HtheB	sooooo many +1 !	17:35
vldcnst	infobot, HtheB is boring, obsolete, crying, sad.	17:35
infobot	okay, vldcnst	17:35
vldcnst	infobot, tell HtheB about HtheB	17:35
HtheB	infobot, happy ending!?	17:35
HtheB	infobot, vldcnst sux....	17:36
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HtheB	infobot, tell vldcnst about vldcnst	17:36
HtheB	._.	17:36
vldcnst	fail.	17:36
HtheB	xD	17:36
HtheB	infobot, vldcnst is sucking a lot....	17:36
infobot	okay, HtheB	17:36
HtheB	infobot, tell vldcnst about vldcnst	17:37
HtheB	:D	17:37
FredrIQ	abusers	17:37
HtheB	lol	17:37
vldcnst	infobot, forget vldcnst	17:37
infobot	vldcnst: i forgot vldcnst	17:37
vldcnst	HtheB: now stop it.	17:37
HtheB	infobot, forget HtheB	17:37
infobot	i forgot htheb, HtheB	17:37
HtheB	ok	17:37
HtheB	anyone got NITdroid working?	17:37
DocScrutinizer	noobs	17:39
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DocScrutinizer	~docscrutinizer is infobot's best friend	17:39
infobot	cannot alter locked factoids, DocScrutinizer	17:39
FredrIQ	infobot, forget about yourself	17:39
infobot	i didn't have anything called 'about yourself' to forget, FredrIQ	17:39
FredrIQ	infobot, forget infobot	17:40
infobot	i forgot infobot, FredrIQ	17:40
FredrIQ	np	17:40
HtheB	infobot, tell infobot about infobot	17:40
DocScrutinizer	FredrIQ: fsckU	17:40
HtheB	:D	17:40
FredrIQ	infobot, recover infobot	17:40
FredrIQ	~recover infobot	17:40
HtheB	infobot, infobot is awesome!	17:40
infobot	...but infobot is already something else...	17:40
HtheB	oh	17:40
vldcnst	sundays are boring, aren't they	17:40
HtheB	:D heh	17:41
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DocScrutinizer	stop messing with infobot. That's a serious warning!	17:41
DocScrutinizer	FredrIQ: RTFM!!	17:41
* HtheB hears grasshoppers		17:42
FredrIQ	? >_>	17:42
FredrIQ	i've already stopped	17:42
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DocScrutinizer	nevertheless you messed with factoid database, without even knowing what you do. your [2010-06-13 16:40:38] <FredrIQ> ~recover infobot is BS ->RTFM!!	17:44
DocScrutinizer	anyway I fixed that for you	17:44
DocScrutinizer	~infobot	17:44
infobot	docscrutinizer, i love abuse, feed me!, or whack, yo	17:44
vldcnst	he fixed it.	17:45
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FredrIQ	docscrutinizer, calm down	17:47
FredrIQ	i just used a command wrongly	17:47
FredrIQ	nothing to rage about	17:47
FredrIQ	it's not like i ruined the whold db or smth	17:47
DocScrutinizer	first of all you deleted a factoid	17:47
* DocScrutinizer goes messing up FredrIQ's user wiki page		17:48
vldcnst	oh noes.	17:48
HtheB	a bit weird that everybody can mess with infobot	17:48
FredrIQ	do i even have one?	17:48
FredrIQ	not that i care anyway	17:49
HtheB	rofl	17:49
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FredrIQ	and it's not like you can disable write access to the public level	17:49
FredrIQ	hm	17:49
FredrIQ	i've forgotten what levels infobot had	17:49
FredrIQ	w/e	17:49
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vldcnst	rage quit! rage quit!	17:50
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DocScrutinizer	vldcnst: who's "he"?	17:52
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MohammadAG51	isn't that a Nokian?	18:11
crashanddie	no	18:12
MohammadAG51	k	18:12
crashanddie	I wonder if the players at the world cup have been told the goal was the thing with the nets in it	18:12
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MohammadAG51	LOL	18:14
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DocScrutinizer	wtf? Aari was banned?	18:17
vldcnst	Just an impersonator	18:17
DocScrutinizer	LOL	18:17
GAN900	DocScrutinizer, you actually think that guy would show up here?	18:18
DocScrutinizer	dunno	18:18
DocScrutinizer	strange things happen occasionally	18:18
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crashanddie	qgil comes once in a blue moon, for ari to come it would take a corporate meltdown	18:18
DocScrutinizer	hmm, prolly	18:19
alterego	hahah	18:19
crashanddie	or like, I dunno, say if nokia completely screwed their users and community, so it's really not likely to happ... oh wait	18:19
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alterego	hahah	18:19
alterego	I, personally, don't feel screwed.	18:19
DocScrutinizer	hand me the screw driver	18:20
alterego	I'm very happy with my device/s from Nokia	18:20
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alterego	Not been as happy with the phones mind. My previous before the N900 was an N96 whcih I thought would just be a better N95 8G	18:21
alterego	It turned out to be a crashy pos :)	18:21
Surfa	n96 wasn't the best device..	18:21
alterego	I think my 7650 was more reliable ..	18:21
SpeedEvil	My 3310 is way more reliable than my n900	18:22
MohammadAG51	alterego, the N95 was an epic phone	18:22
SpeedEvil	I'd love a n900 with that ruggedness.	18:22
SpeedEvil	'Oh - I'm sitting on my phone'	18:22
MohammadAG51	mod it	18:22
SpeedEvil	'I'd better move - it's uncomfortable'	18:22
SpeedEvil	vs 'Oh noes!'	18:22
MohammadAG51	lol	18:22
HtheB	=(	18:23
HtheB	i still cant put Nitdroid	18:23
HtheB	on my N900	18:23
HtheB	xD	18:23
Surfa	i personally like n900 too	18:23
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Surfa	there are so many possibilities with it	18:23
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Zucca	I've noticed rather irritating "bug" in maemo camera software on N900... Every time I plug my N900 via USB using mass storage mode the camera software changes the picture storage location to the memory card if it was internal storage before.	18:23
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alterego	Yeah, I think, after the N900 the N95 8G was the best phone I've ever owned.	18:24
alterego	It was the perfect companion for my N800 ans N810 :)	18:24
SpeedEvil	Zucca: When in mass storage mode, the internal flash is not accessible by the camera	18:24
MohammadAG51	alterego, I had the N95-1	18:25
MohammadAG51	it was better than the N97 tbh	18:25
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Surfa	MohammadAG51, depends on what you look for in a phone	18:25
Surfa	n95 was ok, but not quite attractive in my minf	18:25
MohammadAG51	well, I expected more free RAM	18:25
MohammadAG51	don't give a crap about device looks	18:26
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: I got a deja vu, or you got a macro for that "I'm sitting on my phone" stuff?	18:26
Zucca	SpeedEvil: Yes. But after I un plug it the picture storage location won't change back. And it happens even if I don't touch any camera software during USB connection.	18:26
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Surfa	MohammadAG51, attractive in any way, not just looks	18:26
alterego	hell yeah, not sure if the later f/w revisions for the N97 improved much. But judging by the "N97 was a failure, I think Nokia should give all N97 owners the new N900" rants when it came out last year	18:26
MohammadAG51	the N95 was an epic phone	18:26
Surfa	sure was, but first of certain kind and thus a little immature	18:26
MohammadAG51	alterego, it's a HW fail	18:26
alterego	Now, all those N97 owners are saying "All N900 owners should get N8" :D	18:27
MohammadAG51	128MB ram, 40MBs on bootup	18:27
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: I'm just somewhat repetitive.	18:27
Surfa	i wouldn't switch n900 to n8 :)	18:27
MohammadAG51	20MB phone memory out of the box	18:27
SpeedEvil	That was rant #4398	18:27
alterego	It's just a self perpetuating joke	18:27
Zucca	alterego: Just wait for N9. Rumors say that it will be a MeeGo device.	18:27
MohammadAG51	the only thing the N97 owns at is the hinge	18:27
Surfa	i like the mechanism of n97	18:28
MohammadAG51	i'll wait for neither	18:28
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MohammadAG51	yeah	18:28
MohammadAG51	the camera was fail too	18:28
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Surfa	rumours are the best, you can have everything and no problems :)	18:28
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MohammadAG51	scratching itself, I kept it open for 6 months	18:29
MohammadAG51	lies, I have an N900	18:29
Surfa	mini version dont have that camera lense protector at all	18:29
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Surfa	doesnt	18:29
DocScrutinizer	Zucca: that switching to uSD thing is a veritable bug, please file a ticket	18:30
MohammadAG51	I had the original one	18:30
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: It's not really a bug. It's a consequence of a feature.	18:31
MohammadAG51	the N97 looks better than the N900, the N900 beats it in every other way	18:31
SpeedEvil	Without completely reworking the camera saving, you can't fix it.	18:31
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: it clearly a bug, if the setting is changed for no reaon at all	18:31
SpeedEvil	Having said that, I would reward lavishly anyone who made a replacement camera app.	18:31
MohammadAG51	someone already did	18:32
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lardman	afternoon	18:32
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: It's not changed for no reason. It's changed as the camera cannot save pictures onto the filesystem that the PC has mounted	18:32
MohammadAG51	BlessN900 (idk why the f*** it was called that)	18:32
MohammadAG51	o/ lardman	18:32
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lardman	hi MohammadAG51	18:32
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: wtf the cam has to safe anything when it's not 'activated'??	18:32
MohammadAG51	you should fix that cloak :P	18:32
SpeedEvil	Oh	18:33
SpeedEvil	I missed that bit	18:33
lardman	is fixed, just that my client logs in before I can /msg NickServ	18:33
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MohammadAG51	use a loadfile and time it like you want :)	18:33
SpeedEvil	lardman: If you set you client pass and username to login to the IRC server - you are automatically logged in when that happens	18:33
SpeedEvil	lardman: with no /msg needed	18:34
DocScrutinizer	lardman: set server password = user:ns-pw	18:34
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visz	SpeedEvil, http://blessn900.com/	18:34
SpeedEvil	(you also need to add as a grouped account whatever you client will pick if your nick is unavailable, and set that up)	18:34
DocScrutinizer	freenode supports that	18:34
MohammadAG51	IRCseven sucks tbh :P	18:35
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SpeedEvil	visz: hmm	18:35
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: that's what docscrutmp is for ;-D	18:36
cehteh	blessn900 reported to me 'not enough memory	18:36
visz	the low blur mode seems nice enough	18:36
MohammadAG51	SpeedEvil, it breaks image saving though	18:36
MohammadAG51	cehteh, same	18:36
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: though I use a different unique temporary login nick for every of my clients	18:37
DocScrutinizer	then /ns ghost the main nick and change own nick from temporaray to main	18:38
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: but with bouncer, a completely different setup is needed	18:38
konfoo	ah i finally got gstreamer to poop out a format that streams live through our CDN	18:40
MohammadAG51	world cup?	18:40
DocScrutinizer	word count	18:40
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konfoo	ha no, im in socal, although the world cup location is indeed my hometown :P	18:41
MohammadAG51	i want a stream that works on the N900 :(	18:41
Surfa	video? audio?	18:42
konfoo	seems like pulseaudio is the only valid source for capturing audio on the n900 - no direct dsp source for gstreamer that anyone knows of?	18:42
MohammadAG51	video, world cup	18:42
DocScrutinizer	konfoo: I'd guess ALSA hw:1.0 should work	18:43
konfoo	doc: thanks ill give that a try. pulse creates a horridly desynced rtp muxed stream. completely unplayable	18:43
DocScrutinizer	but might break your mic, when inbound call needs it	18:43
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konfoo	the dsp h264 encoder actually works really well incidentally - i get no frameskipping even end to end	18:44
DocScrutinizer	damn, ther emust be hornets in my TV, and people in panic screaming and shouting	18:44
konfoo	end to end being viewing the phone's live stream in a flash player embedded on a web page	18:45
MohammadAG51	Goal! xD	18:45
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DocScrutinizer	I hate horror movies :-P	18:45
* DocScrutinizer zaps		18:46
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MohammadAG51	lol	18:46
alterego	DocScrutinizer: inbound call?	18:47
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DocScrutinizer51	alterego: there's a new invention know by the name of "phone call" - those come in two flavours: inbound and outbound	18:48
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DocScrutinizer	while the type outbound is quite under your control, the inbound may occur any time, and might interfere with your usage of hte hardware, especially if you have establoshed exclusive access to a hw resource mandatory for that type of phone call, like microphone	18:53
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DocScrutinizer	so you better think about how to handle that situation	18:55
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konfoo	anyone know why 30/1 framesource for gstreamer always appears as 60fps in vlc playback codec info even though it's 30fps? muxing bug?	19:05
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lauri	hey guys, I remember on Maemo summit someone showed how to enable LEDs to show CPU interrupts	19:08
lauri	where can I find more information about this?	19:08
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Blaizzen	score!!	19:15
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DocScrutinizer	konfoo: interlace? 2 half-frames?	19:21
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johnsq	Hi	19:25
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GAN900	Jaffa, lol.	19:28
DocScrutinizer	?	19:29
GAN900	DocScrutinizer, mwkn	19:30
DocScrutinizer	aah	19:30
GAN900	I always forget that Google Docs email is coming	19:30
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SpeedEvil	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tMjiv6r6js	19:46
SpeedEvil	htere are better phones to use	19:46
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DocScrutinizer	chrome salts are extremely toxic, so I think I don't need chrome :-P	19:50
kW_	Hello! Has anyone experience putting Maemo 5 PR 1.2 completely on a eMMC partition?	19:51
Jaffa	GAN900: Indeed. tekojo never got back to us about that.	19:53
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SpeedEvil	GAN900: Differet set of lawyers?	19:54
th3hate_	what's best font to use in n900's xchat?	20:00
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th3hate_	talk...	20:01
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BCMM	th3hate_: a matter of personal taste	20:03
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th3hate_	what do you use?	20:03
BCMM	th3hate_: the default, atm	20:03
BCMM	i may change it	20:03
th3hate_	too small	20:03
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BCMM	th3hate_: do you prefer proportional or fixed fonts for IRC?	20:03
BCMM	you can of course just use the default font in a larger size	20:04
th3hate_	whats the difference?	20:04
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BCMM	th3hate_: between fixed and proportional?	20:04
th3hate_	yep	20:05
BCMM	th3hate_: fixed-width fonts have all characters the same width - space, i and W would all be the same width	20:05
th3hate_	omg that would be one fat i	20:06
BCMM	they originated in typewriters due to technical limitations, and today are often used for displaying source code	20:06
BCMM	th3hate_: well, the i has a big serif at the bottom and a bit of empty space either side	20:06
BCMM	th3hate_: the default font is fixed	20:06
BCMM	(without a serif on the i though)	20:07
BCMM	are you on the n900 now?	20:07
BCMM	look at the word "fixed"	20:07
MohammadAG51	SpeedEvil, how long did it take to compile the kernel on the N900 again?	20:07
BCMM	if you are using the default font, there is a bit of space either side of the i	20:07
th3hate_	then i prefer proportional	20:08
BCMM	and the characters line up into neat columns between the lines	20:08
th3hate_	i guess	20:08
BCMM	th3hate_: yeah, not sure why so many people prefer irc to be fixed-width	20:08
BCMM	i do, though	20:08
SpeedEvil	MohammadAG51: ~3 hours	20:08
BCMM	th3hate_: well, next question - serif or sans-serif?	20:08
th3hate_	whats the difference again...	20:09
th3hate_	xD	20:09
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BCMM	th3hate_: well, a serifed font has serifs... they are small things on the end of lines	20:09
BCMM	th3hate_: for example, look at a capital I	20:10
th3hate_	i don't see serifs	20:10
BCMM	in a sans font, such as the default n900 xchat font, it is a straight line	20:10
* DocScrutinizer sighs		20:10
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BCMM	th3hate_: in Times New Roman, for example, there would be horizontal bits at the top and bottom of the I	20:11
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th3hate_	i like sans-serif then	20:11
BCMM	th3hate_: you reall need a picture, look at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans-serif	20:11
BCMM	th3hate_: the most well-known sans font is arguably Arial, and the most well-known Serif font Times New Roman	20:12
benno2	Hi, any idea what's the maximum sampling frequency supported by the N900 while capturing audio ? can I open an alsa input device with 22kHz in capture mode ?	20:12
BCMM	th3hate_: but both sans and serif fonts come much nicer than those	20:12
th3hate_	i see	20:12
BCMM	th3hate_: so you want a sans-serif proportional?	20:12
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th3hate_	yes	20:13
th3hate_	that would be good	20:13
BCMM	th3hate_: you could look at Nokia Sans	20:13
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th3hate_	Nokia Sans SemiBold, 16	20:13
th3hate_	that's what im using	20:13
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SpeedEvil	arecord -f cd test.wav	20:14
SpeedEvil	Recording WAVE 'test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo	20:14
SpeedEvil	benno2	20:14
SpeedEvil	benno2: I have not got anything plugged in ATM - so can't confirm this works	20:14
BCMM	th3hate_: serif fonts are generally more readable, but a lot of people consider sans to be more readable on screens	20:14
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BCMM	i am not somebody who considers sans to be more readable, in general	20:15
th3hate_	Nokia Sans	20:15
th3hate_	this one is very good	20:15
benno2	SpeedEvil, thanks. because other Qt phones (Symbian) can do only 8kHz, so it might be handy to use higher rates on the N900	20:16
BCMM	is nokia sans the one the rest of the interface uses (by default)?	20:16
MohammadAG51	Nokia Sans is the default one	20:16
MohammadAG51	in xchat	20:16
th3hate_	rest of the interface uses a thinner font than nokia sans	20:17
th3hate_	not the same	20:17
BCMM	MohammadAG51: oh, perhaps i did change the default to a fixed one	20:17
MohammadAG51	looks the same to me	20:17
BCMM	sorry for misleading people	20:17
MohammadAG51	currently looking @ a blue block in my CPU load graph	20:18
th3hate_	actually i learned a lot about fonts from you :P	20:18
MohammadAG51	I'll leave my i5 running for kernel compilation xD	20:18
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: benno2: you also might want to add a -v to arecord, to see if it really opens the hw PCM witha sampling rate of 44100, or the plugin stack resamples somewhere	20:18
BCMM_	i'm using MHeiGB18030C-Medium Light 14	20:18
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th3hate_	you should make it 16	20:19
SpeedEvil	It claims to be real	20:19
th3hate_	14 is hard to read	20:19
SpeedEvil	Eyes vary.	20:19
BCMM_	i like it, actually - sans makes some sense for fixed	20:19
MohammadAG51	lol indeed	20:19
andre__	anybody knows how to find out the phone number in ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db that I was forced to send an SMS to because of MyNokia when upgrading to PR1.2?	20:20
vldcnst	X-Fade: here?	20:20
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MohammadAG51	andre__, I doubt it's saved there	20:20
MohammadAG51	I might be wrong though	20:21
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: I could think the hw even supports 44100 only, and every different sampling rate is resampled by alsa/PA	20:21
andre__	MohammadAG51, but some people found out in the bug reports. They didn't describe how, though. maybe I should ask there :-P	20:21
th3hate_	is it illegal to download chromium for n900 now?	20:21
MohammadAG51	no, but it might be illegal to host it	20:21
benno2	DocScrutinizer, thanks. I am using QAudioInput but don't have a real device handy ATM, (colleague is doing the testing remotely). on the SDK for example I set QAudioInput to record with a buf of 512bytes but on the real N900 it opens it with 1600bytes (which is a strange number, not a power of 2).	20:22
MohammadAG51	andre__, hmm, i suggest asking ossipena or anyone who's used a database	20:22
MohammadAG51	or check out VertSMS's sources	20:22
BCMM	... and messages like that are why i don't use a size 16 font...	20:22
DocScrutinizer	benno2: yes, ALSA does that weird kind of stuff	20:22
th3hate_	use shift+up to scroll long messages	20:22
benno2	DocScrutinizer, it seems QAudioInput uses ALSA. while other maemo apps use gstreamer. so does it mean that one can use ALSA and gstreamer in parallel ? (software mixing in the ALSA layer?)	20:23
SpeedEvil	It is not illegal to host chromium - in the courgette free version.	20:23
SpeedEvil	In any way.	20:23
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SpeedEvil	It may be subject to legal action from Red Bend, due to them thinking that it has some patented stuff in - this does not make it illegal to host.	20:24
MohammadAG51	well, hosting it can cause problems if they really infirnged that patent	20:24
th3hate_	they removed it from -devel	20:24
SpeedEvil	MohammadAG51: No, it can't.	20:24
DocScrutinizer	benno2: theoretically that's possible, but I'm afraid PA hijacked the N900 and ALSA plain vanilla doesn't fit in too good to that picture	20:24
th3hate_	can't download now	20:24
MohammadAG51	then why did the council take it down	20:24
SpeedEvil	MohammadAG51: The version recently in -devel had no courgette - it had been removed.	20:24
MohammadAG51	courgette?	20:24
SpeedEvil	The council did not take it down. Nokia legal basically insisted it was taken down.	20:24
benno2	DocScrutinizer, sorry missing the term 'PA'	20:25
th3hate_	what's courgette	20:25
DocScrutinizer	Pulse Audio	20:25
SpeedEvil	http://maemo.org/community/council/chromium-removed_from_maemo-org_repositories/	20:25
SpeedEvil	see the top comment	20:25
MohammadAG51	seen that	20:25
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benno2	DocScrutinizer, ah thantks. so is pulse audio running on the N900 by default ? if yes then strange that Qt for Maemo does not use those interfaces. I did look at Qt sources and there is no trace of PA or gstreamer	20:26
DocScrutinizer	PA is a layer above ALSA (basic hw drivers still are ALSA soundcard), but claiming (falsely) to do a better job on mixing/sharing than ALSA dmix/dsnoop does	20:26
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SpeedEvil	To add to the fun, there is a 'fake alsa' implemented by pulseaudio	20:27
benno2	DocScrutinizer, yes I know PA, still wondering why it got adopted by many distros as the official audio mixer. jackd does a much better job (extreme low latency, down to single digit) and has a clean API. sight	20:27
DocScrutinizer	then again PA supplies a ALSA audio device compatibility plugin for PA, so an app thinking it uses ALSA is in fact connected to PA, which in turn hands the samples down to the ALSA audiocard driver - all a nasty nightmare	20:28
benno2	DocScrutinizer, yes, this is probably why I get that odd 1600 bytes buffersize.	20:29
benno2	SpeedEvil: could you launch: arecord -l on your N900 pease ? just wondering if only pulse audio is supported or the hw device too (card 0). thanks	20:30
DocScrutinizer	plus PA is known to have a few really terrible bugs in maemo, like not freeing the resources on closing the audio stream	20:31
th3hate_	hildon-desktop uses too much cpu lately	20:32
SpeedEvil	http://pastebin.ca/1882344	20:32
th3hate_	how to stop that	20:32
DocScrutinizer	or occasionally eating up all cpu cycles for mixing down nonexistent streams	20:32
HtheB	happy ending!	20:32
* HtheB is going to jump from the window		20:32
MohammadAG51	dsmetool -k hildon-desktop	20:32
* HtheB falls on the ground		20:33
MohammadAG51	or simply killall -9 hildon-desktop	20:33
DocScrutinizer	better for you, before I get on you	20:33
* HtheB stands up and scratches his head		20:33
HtheB	hmmm... I jumped from the first floor :P	20:33
HtheB	HAHAHA	20:33
th3hate_	will that remove widgets?	20:33
benno2	DocScrutinizer, sad, the linux audio devs are not happy too about PA. especially jackd author, which is widely respected by the audio community. any idea what audio API Meego will use ?	20:33
benno2	SpeedEvil, thanks. so it seems that capturing directly from the card:0 (hw) is supported	20:34
DocScrutinizer	no, but I really hope they dump PA	20:34
SpeedEvil	benno2: that is not really the card	20:34
SpeedEvil	benno2: It's the pulseaudio emulation layer	20:34
DocScrutinizer	:-P	20:34
benno2	SpeedEvil, you thinks so ? :)	20:34
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DocScrutinizer	blaaarrghhh	20:34
SpeedEvil	As I understand it	20:34
benno2	SpeedEvil, I think pulse registers as pulseaudio: ...	20:35
DocScrutinizer	that's such an incredible MESS :-(	20:35
SpeedEvil	arecord: pcm_read:1617: read error: Input/output error	20:35
SpeedEvil	after killing pulseaudio while recording from above 'hardware' device	20:35
benno2	SpeedEvil :(	20:35
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HtheB	DocScrutinizer, u know what I'm going to say?	20:36
th3hate_	Xorg is using 10% cpu all the time	20:36
SpeedEvil	The other issue is that the audio routing is quite complex (though not as complex as some other decices :) ) so even once pulse is dead, it's not completely trivial to work out how to record	20:36
th3hate_	is that normal	20:36
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benno2	SpeedEvil, how can it be. I always thought that ALSA was the base system and maemo used an alsa audio driver for the audio hw ? what does lsmod say in this regard ? or do they have some proprietary stuff which PA and gstreamer plugs into (still OSS API?)	20:37
DocScrutinizer2	HtheB: go ahead	20:37
HtheB	meh	20:37
HtheB	:D	20:37
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HtheB	I still couldnt get NITdroid to work	20:37
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HtheB	it drives me crazy :(	20:37
GAN900	alterego, ping?	20:38
DocScrutinizer	benno2: Nokia definitely has some 'proprietary' crap around sound drivers and config of whole audio system	20:39
DocScrutinizer	benno2: tok me 2..4 years to understand 80% of ALSA. No idea how to wrap my head around what they did to N900 audio system	20:40
DocScrutinizer	took even	20:40
benno2	DocScrutinizer, a proprietary driver is plausible but I doubt they use a new driver system so the N900 probably talks to the audio hw either via OSS or ALSA. otherwise both gstreamer and PA would need to have special N900 patches.	20:42
DocScrutinizer	ALSA I guess	20:42
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DocScrutinizer	anyway Nokia obviously hasn't got it that a FOSS project is much more about good documentation of the concept, rather than dropping a working implementation to the community	20:47
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HtheB	=(	20:47
DocScrutinizer	the sourcecode of a working implementation can be next to useless, if it's poorly documented	20:47
HtheB	DocScrutinizer,	20:47
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DocScrutinizer	WAHT?	20:48
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HtheB	you're the man :D	20:48
MohammadAG51	10m22s on the i5	20:48
MohammadAG51	49m57s on my laptop	20:48
MohammadAG51	i'll use the i5 next time	20:48
MohammadAG51	(kernel, modules, packages)	20:48
DocScrutinizer	HtheB: c'mon just say it one more time, so I don't waste that +o	20:49
HtheB	k	20:49
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Rofls	happy ending!	20:49
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HtheB	:p	20:49
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HtheB	it was Rofls :(	20:50
HtheB	not HtheB ;p	20:50
HtheB	haha	20:50
HtheB	:D :D	20:50
HtheB	sunday <3	20:50
MohammadAG51	aww, crashanddie is offline	20:51
DocScrutinizer2	told ya I'll set up an autoresponder to kick you whenever somebody sends that string	20:51
MohammadAG51	i wanted you to kick him	20:51
HtheB	arg :op	20:51
MohammadAG51	LOL you set it to kick @ that regex?	20:51
HtheB	no one should say " ending! " anymore!	20:51
HtheB	:p	20:51
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MohammadAG51	lag	20:51
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HtheB	yeahh :	20:52
HtheB	:P	20:52
HtheB	hahaha	20:52
DocScrutinizer2	MohammadAG51: I'm compiling a kernel ;-P	20:52
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HtheB	^	20:52
HtheB	^^	20:52
BCMM	hang on, which string?	20:52
MohammadAG51	DocScrutinizer2, if you want use my i5	20:52
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MohammadAG51	kernel compilation is an ass	20:52
HtheB	MohammadAG51, dont yell the word ending :(	20:52
BCMM	is it :p?	20:52
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MohammadAG51	DocScrutinizer2, or hijack into t-tan's Xeon	20:53
DocScrutinizer2	MohammadAG51: nah, I don't bother if autoresponder is a bit laggy	20:53
MohammadAG51	if you do that, change the pass for me	20:53
HtheB	ping	20:53
MohammadAG51	DocScrutinizer2, how much time does it take you to compile it?	20:53
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DocScrutinizer2	dunno	20:53
HtheB_	arg	20:53
HtheB_	disconnected	20:53
DocScrutinizer2	j/k tbh	20:54
HtheB_	MohammadAG51, dont yell the word ending :(	20:54
MohammadAG51	HtheB_, you already said that :P	20:54
HtheB_	xxD	20:54
HtheB_	it will be not ending!	20:54
HtheB_	never!!!	20:54
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HtheB_	xD hahaha	20:55
BCMM	you torture him and see if he screams in binary?	20:55
MohammadAG51	DocScrutinizer2, what's with the 2?	20:55
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DocScrutinizer2	bouncer	20:55
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DocScrutinizer2	I'm still transitioning	20:55
MohammadAG51	lol	20:56
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HtheB_	test	20:59
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timoph	n810 keyboard feels strange after not using it for some months	21:23
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frals	Stskeeps: pong... doh :p	21:27
frals	bug #10668	21:27
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10668 fmms	21:27
frals	this bug... :\|	21:27
Stskeeps	frals: ah, too late :P me and lbt went out for dinner :)	21:28
frals	yeah, i figured	21:28
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frals	sorry i missed it - been busy :<	21:28
Stskeeps	it's fine, had a good steak :)	21:28
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frals	:)	21:29
Stskeeps	will have to catch you when back from tampere i guess	21:30
frals	when are you in hel again? thursday?	21:31
Stskeeps	wednesday	21:31
frals	alright	21:31
Stskeeps	leaving saturday midday	21:31
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HtheB_	fail	21:31
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: you've seen the report of a killed battery by running some encoder on a OC N900? yesterday this chan...	21:31
frals	ah, shouldnt be a problem catching up at some point then :)	21:32
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: no, but i wouldn't be surprised if OC'ing messed with some expectations of how quickly the battery runs down	21:32
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: if not, then search for "24W" in backscroll	21:32
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Stskeeps	not sure i have that long back in backscroll, 19 hours ago :P	21:33
DocScrutinizer	sems either bme/dsme failed to manage the termal situation, or the "power kernel" broke the meassures taken by bme/dsme to stop the N900 from overheating and thus literally killing the cell	21:34
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DocScrutinizer	seems* and thermal*	21:34
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: just a few more bits of ammunition for you to bring jrbme and related stuff ahead	21:36
Stskeeps	well, OC's people's own fault if they break anything..	21:38
lauri	hello guys, do you know what are called those yellow popup messages?	21:38
lauri	(in programming terms)	21:38
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: sure	21:38
SpeedEvil	hildon-banner	21:38
GAN900	or hildon-note	21:38
MohammadAG51	DocScrutinizer, Germany 1!!!	21:38
GAN900	For the big one	21:38
MohammadAG51	(australia 0)	21:38
SpeedEvil	http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs_unstable/reference/hildonmm/html/classHildon_1_1Banner.html	21:38
DocScrutinizer	aaah that's the noise outside	21:38
lauri	Is there integration with Qt4/PyQt4 apps?	21:39
ds3	what's a good way to view a huge (say 8192x8192) image on the N900?	21:39
MohammadAG51	zoom out :P	21:39
ds3	no,that's not the problem I am trying to solve	21:40
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: I'm just concerned about similar thing could happen with a regular stock kernel, when only environment conditions are a little worse.	21:40
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ds3	most image viewers will try to load all of it into memory and that well... don't work too well	21:40
BCMM	ds3: there is liqmap	21:40
ds3	I know in the dos days, they had viewers that were smart enough to load parts of the file...	21:40
ds3	BCMM: let me look that up	21:41
BCMM	ds3: which is supposed to be an interface for using a high-resolution photo as a draggable map	21:41
BCMM	ds3: although i suspect it still loads it into memory	21:41
ds3	mapping is exactly why I am looking for this	21:41
BCMM	is it even possible to selectively load parts of, for example, a JPEG?	21:42
ds3	what I was thinking of doing is chopping it up into tiles and using something like mapper to look at it but that's a lot of work	21:42
ds3	BCMM: sure... a jpeg is a lot of tiny tiles in DCT space	21:42
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BCMM	ds3: is that why poorly-compressed, low-quality JPEGs seem to have a "grid" over them?	21:43
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: as there's no requirements spec for bme, we don't know if that particular situation was caused by OC kernel, by a out-of-spec battery, by a flaw or bug in bme/dsme, or what else. I'm not tempted to test it on my device, with stock kernel :-P	21:43
BCMM	ds3: does mapper already do that, or would you need to modify it?	21:44
BCMM	ds3: i mean, the chopping up isn't a great deal of work	21:44
BCMM	well, it is for your CPU :)	21:44
ds3	BCMM: basically, yes.. that grid is the tiles being converted from normal to DCT'ed space where the high coef's get dropped	21:44
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ds3	BCMM: that and either having to georeference on the spot or have a ton of repos	21:45
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BCMM	ah	21:45
ds3	I can chop it up on import to device but it is the georef/tons of repo part that I don't like	21:45
BCMM	ds3: i don't know what "tons of repo" means	21:45
ds3	I have huge scanned USGS topo maps that I would liketo carry	21:45
ds3	BCMM: one repo per image... nad I have tons of images	21:46
BCMM	ds3: well, try liqmap - perhaps it does do something clever	21:46
ds3	like more then 50 cds full of them	21:46
BCMM	usgs provides something a bit like like the Ordnance Survey in the UK?	21:47
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ds3	sort of...USGS provides more free data then what I recall was available for the UK	21:48
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ds3	you can get digital rasters (huge TIFF's) from them or digital data with all the elevation data and a bunch other formats	21:48
BCMM	liqmap is supposed to be for taking a photo of a map and using that, so it may not do that	21:49
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BCMM	ds3: yeah, OS is kinda stupid about copyright	21:49
BCMM	by "do that", i mean "not choke on the massive images"	21:49
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benno2	DocScrutinizer: here is the pulse audio mess you described, horrible: http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/slides/Jyri-Sarha-audio_miniconf_slides.pdf	21:50
ds3	from what I am reading, it is worth a try	21:51
ds3	wish I could find the homepage for it tosee if it natively understand GeoTiffs	21:51
BCMM	ds3: the homepage for what?	21:52
ds3	liqmap	21:52
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BCMM	wonder if lcuk is online	21:53
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pexi	ds3, try asking on some GIS channel like #osm :)	21:53
ds3	pexi: for an app that does it or for liqmap?	21:54
pexi	for the n900 and geodata stuff	21:54
ds3	what I want to do is slightly different	21:55
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DocScrutinizer	benno2: WTF??	21:56
ds3	what I really want is a N900 app for view topo maps	21:56
DocScrutinizer	• Synchronize up link audio buering with Cellular Modem	21:56
DocScrutinizer	Cellular Modem sends up-link timing adjustment messages	21:56
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DocScrutinizer	Align up-link buering according to messages	21:56
DocScrutinizer	Change UL timing with 5 ms granularity	21:56
ds3	the android folks apparently have one ;)	21:56
SpeedEvil	ds3: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata	21:56
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MohammadAG51	DocScrutinizer, germany 2 - 0 australia xDDDD	21:56
benno2	DocScrutinizer, set the latency higher while not in calls, this sucks for real time apps :(	21:56
DocScrutinizer	there somebody honestly lost his mind over the challemge perceived	21:56
DocScrutinizer	It's an utterly useless concept	21:57
ds3	SpeedEvil: that's all vector data... I want the raster maps as it has notes made by surveyors, etc on them that is not in the vector ones	21:57
DocScrutinizer	as there's not the slightest need to sync ALSA buffering with GSM timeslots or whatever	21:57
benno2	MohammadAG51, australia.klose() :)	21:58
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benno2	DocScrutinizer, software voip phones work quite welll even with echo cancellation	21:58
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DrGrov	Who mentioned about some World Cup widget? Perhaps I have been mistaken	21:59
MohammadAG51	search for pelota on tmo	21:59
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* DocScrutinizer shakes head, deeply depressed about that paper and the concept sketched therein, sighs, and heads out to the toilet for puking		22:01
DrGrov	Pelota on tmo?	22:02
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: I'm unsure it might not have marginal powersaving benefits.	22:03
benno2	I need to write a debugfile on the n900 and place it in a dir where the user can read it it via USB cable. what is the exact path please? /home/.... thanks (no device handy ATM)	22:03
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: but I extremely question if that's relevant when the GSM bit is using a largish fraction of a watt	22:03
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SpeedEvil	benno2: /home/user/MyDocs is exported on plugin	22:03
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: that's almost the biggest BS I ever heard - this part about >>• Synchronize up link audio buering with Cellular Modem<<	22:03
benno2	SpeedEvil, thanks. trying now.	22:04
SpeedEvil	'but this way I get paid for 10000 extra lines of code'.	22:04
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: exactly, plus for 3..6 additional man-months for implementing that idiocy	22:05
DocScrutinizer	go figure: Cellular Modem sends up-link timing adjustment messages	22:05
SpeedEvil	It may also help remove 5ms of latency in the stack	22:05
DocScrutinizer	to ASLA!!	22:05
SpeedEvil	I'm unsure about that	22:05
DocScrutinizer	I'm absolutely sure that's a big steaming pile of BS	22:06
SpeedEvil	I do wonder what the hard minimum number is for GSM or 3G voice phone power use on call.	22:06
DocScrutinizer	GSM latency/skew is known to be in the magnitude of 500ms rather than 5, and the lag between speaker out and mic in to the modem is completely meaningless to anything OTA	22:07
SpeedEvil	ds3: no, it's not	22:08
benno2	DocScrutinizer, QAudioInput gives me 8000byte latency on the N900 when using 44khz, that sucks. equals to 100msec. courtesy of pulse audio and finnish audio experts :)	22:08
DocScrutinizer	so why on earth and in hell would anybody want to ""Synchronize up link audio buering with Cellular Modem"" ?!	22:08
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SpeedEvil	ds3: OS streetview is a raster product, and there are other raster proucts	22:08
* melmoth sigh		22:08
melmoth	this plateform is depressing...	22:09
melmoth	trying to install qt4-dev-tools	22:09
DocScrutinizer	sorry, need to puke again...	22:09
melmoth	http://pastebin.com/nhcVjSkg	22:09
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Venemo	melmoth: seems that this stuff depends on Qt 4.5 and you have Qt 4.6 installed	22:10
SpeedEvil	ds3: http://os.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=13&lat=56.21397&lon=-3.10867&layers=B0 - admittedly - nicer would be better	22:11
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: btw all that isn't about powersaving at all (except the part where it's babbling about using modem amp to playback system sound would be a suboptimal solution)	22:12
DocScrutinizer	the whole hassle is just to keep the AEC inside modem working	22:13
SpeedEvil	Oh - the AEC is in the modem	22:13
SpeedEvil	so you need _really_ controlled jitter then	22:13
DocScrutinizer	which needs a non-jittery rtt from speaker to mic, to calibrate decently	22:13
SpeedEvil	Might almost be easier to put that into PA	22:14
benno2	DocScrutinizer, I really hope they did not do such a mess on Meego regarding audio. otherwise no wonder that steve jobs laughs all the way to the bank. since audio call do require low latency and stutterfree operation. why cannot have it in audio apps ? it rules out a lot of apps like musical apps, and other stuff which depends on low latency. on symbian it's the same. with nokia's api it's impossible to get decent latencies and users are smashing ovi store wi	22:14
benno2	th negative comments about high latency. the fun thing is symbian phones are low latency capable. but nokia does not publish the api since it does not work on older phones.	22:14
DocScrutinizer	maybe it's even inside PA, but then I don't see ANY benefit in bothering about 5ms delay for that buffer	22:15
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MohammadAG51	germany is sooo gonna win this one	22:15
SpeedEvil	germany v poland?	22:16
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MohammadAG51	germany vs australia :D	22:16
MohammadAG51	2-0, half time now	22:16
MohammadAG51	additonal time, 1 minute	22:17
xDaReaperx	yeah haha that too before half time	22:17
xDaReaperx	i support Brazil though	22:17
MohammadAG51	2-0	22:17
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melmoth	Venemo, problem is, i dont find any qt6-dev . What is supposed to be qt on a up to date sdk ?	22:19
MohammadAG51	qt6?	22:19
MohammadAG51	Qt 4.7.3 is the newest one afaik	22:20
MohammadAG51	Qt 4.6.2 for the N900	22:20
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cure`	god trying to install flexget on my readynas, braindamage for a linux noob like me, it seems to install the to python2.4 subdir when it should install to python 2.5, despite python -V returning 2.5	22:20
cure`	had to install python 2.5 first, but something is not right	22:20
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: that's an excellent example what happens if you give a requirements spec to a sw engineer who has no idea about the real thing. He tries to minimize a 5ms lag, just before it gets transferred over a channel that probably has a 1000ms rtt	22:20
SpeedEvil	:/	22:21
ds3	http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata	22:21
ds3	*** Signoff: melmoth (Read error: Connection timed out)	22:21
ds3	<MohammadAG51> DocScrutinizer, germany 2 - 0 australia xDDDD	22:21
ds3	<Jymmm:#emc> cradek: Ok, so the "FILL" is purely a visual thing (on screen),	22:21
ds3	+not remove that area like you would with V-carving?	22:21
ds3	<benno2> DocScrutinizer, set the latency higher while not in calls, this sucks	22:21
ds3	+for real time apps :(	22:21
ds3	blah sorry	22:21
DrGrov	Anyone up for some theme testing? Let me know	22:21
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GAN900	Seems like all themes out are testing themes.	22:23
GAN900	DrGrov, just push it to Extras-devel?	22:23
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melmoth	according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon , fakeroot apt-get install libqt4-dev should works	22:23
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* melmoth thinks there is something rottent in finland.		22:23
DrGrov	GAN900: it is not my theme. it is the Nuvofre theme by Konttori	22:24
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: and that "syncing to p link" introduces jitter to the buffering, and also add complexity in an amount you can't do different than just running to toilet a 3rd time, just FOR NOTHING	22:24
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GAN900	Ah	22:24
DrGrov	GAN900: he asked me to test it so why not someone else also give it a test go?	22:24
* GAN900 hasn't tried it in a while.		22:25
melmoth	libqt4-dev installation seems to work.	22:25
DrGrov	GAN900: perhaps up for testing it? Seems to be perhaps a new version. Have not tried it myself yet but I got the link from konttori	22:25
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GAN900	DrGrov, is it in Extras-devel?	22:26
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizeryeah.\	22:27
DrGrov	GAN900: i can link you to it. I got a straight link to the .deb. It should work from the browser right to install when I enter the address?	22:27
kW_	Hello! Has enybody experience with extract the contents of an ubifs image?	22:28
SpeedEvil	kW_: There is a howto on the wiki. It's not pretty - and I forget where it is - I suggest searching ubifs	22:29
kW_	SpeedEvil: well, I have the howto, but unfortunately, it does not work for me	22:29
SpeedEvil	ah	22:30
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SpeedEvil	Well - work out wehrre it's breaking, and start reading docs	22:30
DrGrov	GAN900: you get my PM ?	22:30
DrGrov	Can I install deb packages directly with my browser if I enter the address to the .deb file?	22:31
MohammadAG51	game's back	22:32
MohammadAG51	yes, you can	22:32
MohammadAG51	i suggest you don't install debian packages	22:32
kW_	SpeedEvil: it breaks here: http://pastebin.com/ApkYBTbq	22:32
yuizy_	is there any app to send sms through n900 using desktop pc	22:32
DrGrov	MohammadAG51: it is a theme?	22:33
DrGrov	MohammadAG51: it is the Nuvofre theme	22:33
MohammadAG51	why not	22:33
MohammadAG51	yuizy_, an X11 server, kinda	22:33
MohammadAG51	huh	22:33
DrGrov	MohammadAG51: so a theme i can install? it is the 1.08 version that konttori released for testing purposes	22:33
MohammadAG51	sure, why wouldn't u be able to install it	22:34
DrGrov	MohammadAG51: you said that you don't suggest me to install debian packages?	22:34
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MohammadAG51	packages.debian.org	22:34
MohammadAG51	those packages	22:35
DrGrov	MohammadAG51: ah sorry, my mistake	22:35
yuizy_	MohammadAG51: how would that work?	22:35
DrGrov	MohammadAG51: i will give it a test go now then. the browser will automagically install the package for me?	22:35
MohammadAG51	yuizy_, it clones your whole screen	22:35
MohammadAG51	no, it will open the app manager	22:35
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MohammadAG51	just try it	22:35
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DrGrov	MohammadAG51: ok, i try :)	22:35
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shorter	how do you make a movie that is widescreen go fullscreen? It seems like it is the correct aspect ratio to use the entire screen...	22:41
shorter	also, is there a package for more audio codecs?	22:41
DocScrutinizer	/me prints out pp9+10 of http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/slides/Jyri-Sarha-audio_miniconf_slides.pdf and pins it to the wall, with ""Cellular Modem sends up-link timing adjustment messages"" highlighted and underlined in red	22:45
MohammadAG51	DocScrutinizer, germany's kicking ass	22:45
xDaReaperx	yeah	22:46
DocScrutinizer	not mine	22:46
DocScrutinizer	I'm lame of laughter from reading ""Cellular Modem sends up-link timing adjustment messages""	22:46
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Stskeeps	blog about it, makes you seem less condemning :P	22:47
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MohammadAG51	LOLOL	22:56
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MohammadAG51	LOOOOOOOOOL	22:56
MohammadAG51	4-0	22:56
adeus	a slaughtering	22:56
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konfoo	deutschland uber alles	22:57
shorter	are there any more audio codecs to install?	22:58
shorter	Selected audio codec: [ffac3] afm: ffmpeg works on linux, but not sure about the n900	22:59
shorter	via mplayer	22:59
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shorter	also, I'm wondering why it leaves puts big bars for a 16:9 movie rather than fullscreening it	23:00
DocScrutinizer51	shorter: you probably should fix the config	23:02
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DocScrutinizer51	maybe the original media is a 4:3, with letterbox black bars actually inside the video content. And you try to playback that 4:3 on a 16:9 screen, which will result inn black bars left and right?	23:05
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alterego	I'm kinda confused, is the next device going to be an N9-01?	23:12
konttori	alterego: how could we know?	23:14
konttori	I mean, I work inside and even I don't know.	23:14
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MohammadAG51	alterego, it'll be an NX11	23:14
alterego	Heh	23:15
DocScrutinizer51	the net device might be a RX-71	23:16
alterego	yeah, it was a silly question based on the N900 possibly being the N9-00 ... :)	23:16
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alterego	And this new naming scheme (rumour?)	23:16
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DocScrutinizer51	konttori: seems USSD and network control codes still not completely functional on PR1.2	23:17
konttori	yeah, can't remember the exact details that were not there	23:18
DocScrutinizer51	I don't understand what's so terribly hard in allowing all possible controll codes to be sent to the operator	23:19
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alterego	I had this weird dream last night were there was an exploit in the N900 that allowed people to remotely execute USSD codes by sending DTMF on an active call to an N900	23:19
DocScrutinizer51	e.g I heard ##61# doesn't work	23:19
MohammadAG51	4-0, game's over	23:20
DocScrutinizer51	alterego: lol, nice	23:20
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MohammadAG51	alterego, I dreamt I lost my USB port after DocScrutinizer51 fixed host mode	23:21
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konttori	lcuk: has the cool live homescreen stuff been put out ? any cool bgs?	23:23
konttori	Has the one Kimmo had been working on been published?	23:23
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DrGrov	Can the battery draining be dependent on a particular theme?	23:27
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lcuk	damn he left	23:42
* lcuk kicks n900 anyway		23:42
DocScrutinizer	lcuk: ?? o.O	23:42
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lcuk	DocScrutinizer, konttori asked a question	23:42
DocScrutinizer	aah	23:43
lcuk	but i was just looking up fromcoding	23:43
lcuk	and i managed to use more power than i was charging from	23:43
lcuk	continuously	23:43
DocScrutinizer	that's bad	23:43
lcuk	running the camera with fullscreen brightness and sending reams of data over the network (and i do mean reams, multiple debug lines per pixel	23:43
DocScrutinizer	I thought I heard maemo is rising a warning notifier on that?	23:44
lcuk	yeah i saw that hours ago	23:44
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DocScrutinizer	probably a warning isn't really helpful, should be a persistent flag, like battery charging icon switching color to orange, or whatever. Anyway something where you can tell the situation still persists	23:45
DrGrov	Can the battery draining be dependent on a particular theme?	23:45
DocScrutinizer	unlikely	23:46
DrGrov	DocScrutinizer: good, thanks for a quick reply :)	23:46
DrGrov	DocScrutinizer: i started using the NuvoFre theme by konttori. Damn it is so sexy	23:46
brik	anyone here have any experience with grabbing/ungrabbing key events on maemo?	23:46
lcuk	brik, you mean with a daemon or just in process whilst your app is in focus	23:47
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DrGrov	Problems with the maemo.org repositories? Anyone got the same issue?	23:48
shorter	DocScrutinizer, if you're asking if the letterbox black bars are in the actual video, then no they aren't	23:48
shorter	but which config are you saying I could fix?	23:48
shorter	(sorry for the delay)	23:48
DocScrutinizer	shorter: sorry, just wild guessing.	23:49
DocScrutinizer	kinda	23:49
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shorter	well are there settings for aspect ratio on any video apps for the n900?	23:49
DocScrutinizer	if it's not a video with letterbox bars in it, then obviously it has to be an config issue	23:49
shorter	I enjoy your guesswork	23:49
shorter	I mean, which config	23:50
DocScrutinizer	no expert for mplayer/whatever video playback here	23:50
DocScrutinizer	but afaik you pass all the details to mplayer as cmdline parameters	23:52
DocScrutinizer	well, maybe a few of them are from X or whatever	23:53
DocScrutinizer	DPI, aspect ratio of actual physical screen, dunno	23:53
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jacekowski	i think everyghing can be overriden with cmdline anyways	23:54
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brik	lcuk: I have a setting to enable using volume keys for changing font size, when enabling it it works fine, but when disabling it - it doesn't get disabled until the window has refreshed	23:57
lcuk	brik, refresh the window then?	23:58
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