IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-05-31

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GAN900What was the name of the thread Eero wrote about the PR1.2 delays in00:03
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pupnikit is on mwkn GAN90000:09
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GAN900pupnik, is it?00:15
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* GAN900 always has to recheck the previous weeks' issues for dupes.00:15
tuliobaarshow can i put my Maemo Blog URL on maemo planet?00:15
GAN900tuliobaars, talk to X-Fade.00:16
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GAN900niels at maemo dot org00:16
fralstuliobaars didnt lcuk say that to you like 2hrs ago? :D00:16
lcuk19:30 20:00 and now!00:18
lcukhes been told the same thing by multiple people multiple times00:18
pupnikquick google found it GAN900 - need heklp?00:21
GAN900pupnik, nah, I can get it.00:22
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GAN900pupnik, pointing to why PR1.3 is unlikely to face PR1.2's delays. ;)00:22
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GAN900and wishing Jaffa weren't on vaction, the bastard.00:24
jaskaon chulak?00:25
MOUDis there going to be a PR 1.3?00:26
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GAN900What's up with twitter00:27
tremnite all, sweet dreams00:27
GAN900MOUD, as far as I know00:27
GAN900and supposedly more after00:27
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GAN900We shall see, though, I suppose.00:27
MOUDtrem, gn00:27
GAN900anidel says he posted some to mwkn, but I can't find them for the life of me.00:27
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frals~curse users00:47
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, users !00:47
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lcukfrals, users arent that bad00:47
fralswell, there are good days and bad days, today is a bad one :P00:48
fralsim impressed how they found my email without reading any other instruction thou, they deserve cudos for that00:49
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* lcuk offers you some well cooked trout00:49
SpeedEvilCould be worse.00:49
SpeedEvilThey could be turning up at your door.00:50
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fralsGAN900, if you have got problems filling MWKN feel free to add a note about and me needing help translating ;-)00:50
fralslol SpeedEvil00:50
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MohammadAGhaha, /me00:50
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astruasdhI read that nokia will adopt meebo for its next cellphones... does maemo will be discontinued?00:52
luke-jrastruasdh: correct00:52
SpeedEvilAlso - it's been stated repeatedly I think that symbian has a future.00:52
SpeedEvilBut yes - maemo is not being on any more phones.00:52
MohammadAGMaemo won't be discontinued00:52
pupnikSpeedEvil: in the mid-range?00:52
SpeedEvilIt's been implied that n900 will carry on maemo development officially00:52
MohammadAGbut it won't be discontinued00:52
cure`loool when i load up duke nukem 3d through dosbox (ye i know), my phone crashes00:53
SpeedEvilwell - for maybe a year - till it dies.00:53
astruasdhhaah fuck, i've just bought my n900! hehe00:53
ShadowJKWell the next release is going to be more of a halfway step between Maemo and MeeGo, and then next one will have evolved fully into MeeGo00:53
SwedeMikewe're two people here that after upgrading to PR1.2 has had problems with contacts not being matched when someone is calling, seems to be (in our case) a +46 and 0 prefix problem. Is this a known problem?00:53
luke-jrastruasdh: yeah, I was tricked into a N810 :(00:53
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astruasdhn900 is a very powerful hardware... maybe it will be possible to port meego into it00:54
MohammadAGit is, and the team was already assigned00:54
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luke-jrastruasdh: N900 is not so powerful compared to 2010 devices00:55
* SpeedEvil wants his HAL 9000.00:55
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SwedeMikebut I guess nokia liked to screw their existing customers so I guess they'll EoL N900 soon and just abandon it, so community will have to support it.00:56
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luke-jrSwedeMike: that's how it went with N810 at least00:56
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luke-jrI've seen no reason to expect otherwise00:56
* FredrIQ *** ok, sorry guys, that ame passed through too much things (multinetwork, +T...)00:56
astruasdhluke-jr, like what device?00:56
* ShadowJK uses his n800 and n810 daily still :D00:56
luke-jrastruasdh: Nexus One, if you don't mind a missing keyboard00:57
astruasdhyeah, ok... I agree... n900 has a 600 mhz cpu, and iphone htc hd2 has a 1000mhz00:57
luke-jrastruasdh: 1 GHz + 512 MB RAM00:57
ShadowJKthough the clock speeds aren't comparable :/00:57
luke-jrthe next generation will have dual core 1 to 1.5 GHz00:57
MohammadAGthe iPhone 3GS has an underclocked 800MHz ARM00:57
luke-jrShadowJK: why not? they're both ARM00:57
MohammadAGnot sure about the 4G one00:57
ShadowJKluke-jr, yeah but they're different cpus00:57
luke-jrastruasdh: what exactly is "iphone htc hd2"?00:57
luke-jrHTC is not Apple00:58
astruasdhI bought n900 because the keyboard and the linux-based os00:58
MohammadAGhe doesn't use commas00:58
pupnikastruasdh: good reasons00:58
astruasdhluke-jr, it was a typo... htc hd200:58
luke-jrastruasdh: too bad it doesn't run real Linux (yet?)00:58
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astruasdhhmmm the cpu is arm, and there is support by the kernel for arm archs00:59
luke-jrastruasdh: a computer is more than a CPU00:59
ShadowJKluke means that the kernel is missing too many things to be useful on n90000:59
astruasdhbut for port the os, the cpu is the most difficult parameter01:00
luke-jrsomeone should make a N900 version of
astruasdhif there is kernel support and glibc support, it may be possible to port all os01:00
astruasdhya, agree01:00
luke-jrastruasdh: no, CPU tends to be documented01:00
luke-jrother hardware we have to beg for specs and problably end up having to reverse engineer01:01
pupnikastruasdh: no other os will be more fun than maemo5 on n900 - i think01:01
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Mace_N900whats up with devel?01:01
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ShadowJKweekend breakdown?01:02
Mace_N900404 not found01:03
cure`how the hell is it possible for dosbox to crash the os?01:03
Mace_N900is there a new address for devel?01:03
MohammadAGjust kill it01:03
MohammadAGeasy debian?01:04
Mace_N900is that right?01:04
pupnikcure`: try again01:04
astruasdhno, real debian01:04
pupniki suspect it was something else01:05
cure`i did 3 times01:05
MohammadAGmultiple music widgets01:05
cure`bingo 3 times01:05
MohammadAGon my desktop :D01:05
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astruasdheasy debian? I read it at my n900, but I dont know what is it01:05
astruasdhno idea01:05
Mace_N900is there no fremantle 1.2 devel?01:06
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GAN900frals, added.01:06
mindfaqit is a full-blown debian installation inside a chroot jail on your n90001:06
* Arkenoi thinks about downgrading back to 1.1.1, but i am afraid too many packages are broken with it01:06
* MohammadAG has Fedora installed01:06
MohammadAGwith Ubuntu coming up01:06
pigeonman... when is the new ovi store coming out...01:07
MohammadAGsoon :)01:07
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fralsGAN900: cheers :)01:07
pigeonMohammadAG: how soon? ;)01:07
MohammadAGcould be PR1.2 soon :)01:07
* MohammadAG sniggers01:08
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pigeonisn't it supposed to be out last thurs or something?01:08
astruasdhhmmm nice01:08
Mace_N900dev is down01:09
midas_MohammadAG: pr1.2 soon, that would be, eh nice :P01:09
Mace_N900and i want ioquake01:09
mindfaqthis way you can install all those applications available in the debian repos without screwing with your main maemo os, astruasdh01:10
midas_i cant seem to get my browser to work in port. mode...01:10
midas_ctrl + shift + o didnt work01:10
FIQpr1.3 is coming this year01:10
pigeonmidas_: there's now a setting for it in the settings01:11
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FIQthat didn't work for me in pr1.1.1 and under eihter btw01:11
astruasdhmindfaq, but I will see the debian's gnome screen instead of the maemo one? or the chroot is just to run debian apps over the maemo x?01:11
FIQastruasdh, your choice01:11
pigeonmidas_: Options -> Settings in fact01:11
FIQyou can use from LXDE01:11
FIQand from maemo x01:11
midas_pigeon: settings in the browser or settings for the phone?01:12
astruasdhFIQ, wow!!! that is nice!01:12
Arkenoibarriosquare still broken01:12
midas_nevermind :P01:12
FIQit is01:12
midas_much better01:13
midas_now just to find the skype video phone mode :)01:13
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astruasdhwith easy debian, the debian will be mixed with the maemo os, or it will be handled separately?01:14
FIQi suck at keeping XChat open longer than 2 minutes01:14
pigeondoes anyone use the "healthcheck" app? it doesn't seem to run anyone... some missing symbol problem with a python module.01:14
mindfaqit will be a seperate directory01:14
mindfaqin the filesystem01:14
FIQi always misclick "exit"01:14
FIQit's an image01:15
FIQthe biggest part is the installation is the extract of that01:15
mindfaqmounted through a loop device01:15
FIQmade my phone lag very much01:15
FIQbut after that, debian was installed and worked flawlessy01:15
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astruasdhwow, got it! easy debian will mount -o a debian image! that is nice! I have much work for the hollyday01:16
mindfaqbecause nokia people thought it's smart to make a ~27 GiB fat partition ;)01:16
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FIQmindfaq, that's why you should resize it01:16
FIQi would, if i knew how01:17
FIQand let other things use that random überspace throwed away just for media01:17
mindfaqthere is a page on the wiki01:17
mindfaqit's not that simple01:17
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mc_teoWizzup: :)01:18
mindfaqiirc /etc/fstab gets overwritten on each boot or something like that01:18
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mindfaqand some problem with the camera01:19
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FIQmindfaq, why would the camera complain01:20
FIQyou keep the partition01:20
FIQbut you shrink it01:20
FIQcouldn't be that hard01:21
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FIQthe problem is that the partition must be unmounted for that to work though01:21
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mindfaqit is possible but there are some caveats01:21
Mace_N900is wrong with devel?01:22
astruasdhin the last update, the maemo's skype has now a webcam support?01:22
thunderfestany sdl + gles wizards around?01:22
mc_teoastruasdh: seemingly01:23
pupnikPringles have less than 50% potato content.01:23
mc_teoi havent seen it yet though01:23
Mace_N900astruasdh, thats the rumor01:23
Mace_N900i know google vid works01:23
Mace_N900and now contacts have a video chat button01:24
astruasdhhmmm ty01:24
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Mace_N900i am just mad devel is down01:24
FIQhow come sdl-libs is almost completly missing on maemo repos?01:24
astruasdhcan I install an official Debian, generate an Image, and use it with easy debian instead of that default image?01:24
MohammadAGyes, but I doubt it's trivial01:25
FIQastruasdh, that should work01:25
midas_Mace_N900: videochat? i dont see that tho?01:25
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MohammadAGmake sure it's using ARM as an arch though01:25
thunderfestFIQ most of the sdl libs are in extras-testing and extras-devel01:25
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astruasdhnice :)01:25
* GAN900 is at 13 stories.01:25
midas_maybe it's my contacts tho01:25
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Mace_N900what is wrong with the image it comes with?01:26
mindfaqlenny is becoming old ;)01:26
Mace_N900just remove what you dont want with apt01:26
Mace_N900no dist-update?01:26
Mace_N900i wish someone would make an opensolaris based maemo01:27
MohammadAGthat would be quite slow01:27
midas_ah finally got it working :+01:27
Mace_N900oh.. you mean the dist update.01:27
mindfaqno, he means slowlaris xD01:27
midas_Mace_N900: and used zfs for the storage? :)01:28
FIQ libsdl-ttf2.0-dev: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not installable or01:28
Mace_N900opensolaris is bryond great01:28
Mace_N900midas, yes01:28
mindfaqi like it, too01:28
midas_hehe :p01:28
midas_i had 22TB on the n900 :)01:28
Mace_N900it is the best thing i have ever used as a server01:28
astruasdhnothing against the image that comes with easy debian, because I dont know that: that is why it should be better to use an official image01:28
midas_time for bed01:29
midas_nn yall01:29
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Mace_N90022TB hehe01:29
Mace_N900i would set up a raid0 with the onboard and a 32G sd01:29
mindfaqastruasdh: maybe check the easy chroot package01:30
midas_haha Mace_N900 :P01:30
midas_that would be cool01:30
astruasdhhow long your n900 batery takes to become empty?01:30
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MohammadAG2-8 on average01:30
Mace_N900a long time01:30
MohammadAGit lasted 26h max01:31
Mace_N900i have constantly used mine and it kills my older G101:31
FIQi have -devel but not -testing01:31
Mace_N900the g1 would last an hour01:31
mc_teohas anyone noticed a real drain in battery power since pr1.2?01:31
FIQwill -testing be useless with -devel?01:31
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Mace_N900fiq, does devel work for you?01:31
mindfaqnot necessarily, FIQ01:31
MohammadAGgood point lol01:31
FIQmace_N900, i can check01:31
Mace_N900the repo isnt working for me :(01:31
MohammadAGall -testing stuff is from -devel01:32
asjmc_teo: just the oposite01:32
mindfaqif someone submitted his package to testing but has no newer version in devel, you won't get that package01:32
MohammadAGI don't see a reason why you just have both01:32
MohammadAGyou can't submit to testing directly01:32
thunderfestmc_teo: battery performance fells improved since pr1.2 to me01:32
GAN900OK, I think it's done unless anybody else has some really compelling content.01:32
astruasdhI keep bluetooth powered off, and dont use 3g so much.. so mine lasts 2 days +-... but with no hard working, just using as a normal cellphone01:32
FIQthat's what i though01:33
FIQand that's why i never added that repo01:33
Mace_N900speaking of battery :)01:33
mc_teoso if switch off 3G ill get better battery life?01:33
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mindfaqstuff that's submitted to testing is kept in devel, MohammadAG?01:33
FIQW: Duplicate sources.list entry fremantle-1.2/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages)01:33
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MohammadAGand extras app are in all 3 repos01:33
FIQis the only error (warning) i get01:34
FIQ-devel seems to work fine01:34
MohammadAGassuming there's no newer version01:34
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mindfaqah, didn't know that01:34
MohammadAGFIQ, you have 2 repos duped01:34
pupnikn900 is so good, it replaced my laptop01:34
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MohammadAGit did that for a week here01:34
MohammadAGand its battery lasts more than the lappy01:35
FIQ<pupnik> n900 is so good, it replaced my laptop01:35
mc_teoand is flash going to be updated soon?01:35
MohammadAG(about 5 mins)01:35
FIQmine too01:35
MohammadAGmy lappy's battery is borked i guess01:35
FIQexcept the fact that i prefer sitting with desktop keyb and screen01:35
pupnikthat should be an advertisement, FIQ01:35
midas_FIQ: i have a media keyboard for that ;)01:36
MohammadAGFIQ, keyboard + TV out01:36
midas_bluetooth and all :)01:36
astruasdhI will remove MyDocs' fat partition to create a 27g ext3. is there some problem doing this?01:36
FIQyou can use N900 as an old gaming console, a computer and a phone and more things01:36
MohammadAGand hey, if hostmode works soon you could use a display adapter, a keyboard and a mouse01:36
FIQ= instant win01:36
MohammadAGand if you want to conquer the world, get a USB tactical nuke01:37
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smokuastruasdh: AFAIK camera app won't work without FAT MyDocs01:37
FIQ("old gaming console" = tv-out, an good emulator and a SIXAXIS)01:37
midas_only dont buy one with a usb 3.0 interface, it might not work properly01:37
midas_the tactical nuke that is01:38
pupniki have seen usb feetwarmer01:38
mindfaqwith 500 mA?01:39
astruasdhsmoku, hmmm bad news :( ah, no problem... that approach to swap the mydocs and /home should work fine01:39
MohammadAGyeah, why not01:39
FIQyou even can use your N900 to watch tv, video, radio, texttv, and (wall of things, both useless and useful)01:39
LiraNuna<smoku> astruasdh: AFAIK camera app won't work without FAT MyDocs01:39
LiraNunaany idea why?01:39
MohammadAGsomeone posted why on tmo01:40
MohammadAGnot sure where01:40
astruasdhFIQ, watch tv??? how?01:40
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FIQshame that devs just don't get the fact that N900 can do more than iPhone. :(01:40
MohammadAGthe browser doesn't save to my ext3 card01:40
FIQastruasdh: web-tv01:40
SpeedEvilLiraNuna: It's a (closed) bug01:40
astruasdhahhh ya01:40
LiraNunaSpeedEvil, closed as... WONTFIX?01:40
SpeedEvilno - fixed01:40
MohammadAGor use a digital TV receiver, WHEN hostmode works :)01:40
mindfaqMaemo hardcodes the MyDocs partition as /dev/mmcblk0p1 in several applications <- taken from maemo wiki01:40
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LiraNunaso it's fixed in PR1.2?01:41
SpeedEvil1.1.1 I think01:41
MohammadAGmindfaq, that shouldn't matter01:41
MohammadAGthe node stays the same01:41
SpeedEvilI left mydocs as VFAT, shrunk it01:41
MohammadAGeven if you change the fs type01:41
SpeedEviland made a new data partition with 25G01:41
MohammadAGbut it has -t vfat (or w/e it uses) hard coded01:41
LiraNunaSpeedEvil, oh, so why isn't MyDocs ext3?01:41
astruasdhah, so i can safely remove my vfat partition to use just ext3... ?01:41
Mace_N900how is koffice coming along?01:41
Mace_N900would love to see a maemo koffice already01:42
mindfaqLiraNuna: some nokia guy explained it on some mailing list01:42
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, mount it in /media/data and you should see it when downloading/using hildon-m01:42
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LiraNunaI'm not fond of using FAT on my data directory01:42
mindfaqLiraNuna: you can't sell a device which is not accessable from the average windows computer01:42
astruasdha linux-based cellphone os with 27g fat sounds kind of fun01:42
LiraNunasure, but can't do it myself?01:42
LiraNuna*can't I01:42
FIQat least, it really should be easier to do01:43
FIQchange the fs i mean01:43
astruasdhLiraNuna, here there are some tips about repartitioning... but I'm with you: I'll remove my fat01:43
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LiraNunaastruasdh, with exercise and proper diet?01:44
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* SpeedEvil loves the n900 diet.01:46
SpeedEvil(buy n900, be unable to afford food)01:46
astruasdhI'm with my n900 not more than 1 week, so I have no data to care... and I really don't wanna use n900 as a usb flash01:47
cure`i dumped tons of mp3's and vids on it straight away lol01:47
astruasdhheya guys... have to go... thank u very much for the tips, cya!01:47
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SpeedEvilMore seriously - I promised myself I'd partially subsidise my n900 with food savings.01:47
SpeedEvilNow 20Kg down. Woo!01:47
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cure`and quake1 through 301:48
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FIQwhat's up with the missing 3GB?01:52
FIQor do i fail?01:52
mindfaqGiB != GB01:52
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FIQi know01:52
FIQbut still01:52
FIQtoo much missing01:52
MohammadAGthat's how much my N97 had01:53
MohammadAG768 for swap01:53
mindfaqah yeah01:53
MohammadAGyou forgot that01:53
FIQisn't swap on NAND?01:53
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SpeedEvilI can't seem to find a way to list absolutely all products not aggregated together in a list. I want to submit a bug for hildon-desktop01:54
FIQthough NAND were 1GB01:54
FIQbut ok01:54
SpeedEvilno - swap is on the emmc01:54
mindfaqsamsung oneNAND isn't available in high capacities01:54
mindfaqiirc they just announced 512 MiB chips01:55
MohammadAGif swap had its own NAND it would technically be RAM...01:55
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FIQok, fine01:56
* FIQ is tired01:56
MohammadAGMon May 31 01:56:48 IDT 201001:56
MohammadAGthink of a better excuse :P01:56
FIQ00:56 gmt+2 here01:57
FIQor well, gmt+1 and summertime01:57
FIQdunno whatever it's called01:57
mindfaqhere too01:57
mindfaqdaylight saving time? ;)01:58
FIQguess so01:59
mindfaq+ dst01:59
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timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: bugzilla's query.cgi has a list :)02:15
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timeless_mbponly problem is that it looks like hildon-desktop is 'diablo-community-updates'02:17
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povbot`Bug 10438: Hildon-desktop segfaults if02:19
SpeedEvildid I eventially find the right place?02:19
SpeedEvilI seemed to have suffered a minor oops with that.02:20
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asjno one's here, go away03:13
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goodwillwhat confuses me about the scratchbox is that by default it has no software03:32
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goodwillyou'd think it would look like a stock n900 image + sdk03:34
pupnikbecause you arent meant to play with the damn sdk like a n900 user03:35
pupnikget to work03:36
goodwillyes sit03:36
SpeedEvilThe SDK is not supposed to be an emulator.03:36
goodwillwell I need to install some of the stock apps so I can test the functionality03:37
asjgoodwill: beyond simple games most applications that use phone resources wouldn't work since there's no phone function emulator03:37
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goodwillasj: I do not even need a phone for developing my application03:38
goodwillthere is a disconnect ... on the device itself there is not enough space on rootfs to do dev ... -dev packages and the rests start maxing it out03:39
goodwilland sdk lacks emulation03:39
goodwillI am running between the two back and forth03:39
ShadowJKWell moving new binary to phone is a oneliner you can make an alias for03:40
ShadowJKthat's what my workflow has always been: edit, compile, transfer03:41
goodwillyeah ... me too03:41
asjgoodwill: why do you need -dev on the phone? You can debug without -dev...03:41
goodwillI just want 1 dev environment03:41
goodwillnot 203:41
ShadowJKand transfer is fastest step really :-)03:41
goodwillShadowJK: yeah I got ssh keys and aliases for that too03:41
pupniktransfer to device03:41
asjgoodwill: you don't need 2, this is embedded dev without an emulator...03:41
pupnikand s t f u03:41
ShadowJKwell 1 environment is easy, remove the ability of sdk to execute arm binaries, and don't install -dev packages on n900 :D03:42
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goodwillpupnik: I see Mr. Polite is not in town today03:42
ShadowJKthen you have pure crosscompiling and only run binaries in one environment :D03:42
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goodwillShadowJK: except now I need to install a bunch of apps in the sdk03:43
ShadowJKwhat apps?03:43
goodwillShadowJK: I am working on a calendar widget03:43
asjI've never really had good luck with emulators, no matter how good they are.  Either they are horrible, see symbian, or they don't emulate the environment the device is in and I can't test anything since there's no surrounding environment03:43
goodwillI need calendar in the sdk to check things03:43
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pupniki wish i could sympathize03:44
pupniktest on device please03:44
asjand the phone has a pretty darn good debug environment for an embdded device.  stdout/stderr work great, and I think you can even use gdb no?03:45
ShadowJKfor me sdk is that vm image I ssh into to compile things..03:47
ShadowJKI don't even use any of the things that needs X/xephyr..03:47
asjwhile of course sshing into the phone and working on the UI at the same time03:47
goodwillI'd like to be able to run the calendar UI in the SDK03:49
goodwilljust so I can test things03:49
goodwillI can not get it installed as it seems SDK does not support https03:49
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pupnikyaay for /ignorw03:50
asjgoodwill: I'de like many things that I don't get to have :)03:51
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goodwillreally helpful attitude03:53
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thunderfestgoodwill whats the problem with just testing on the device? just compile, transfer, test thats how all of us do it.03:56
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thunderfestIts only 1 command different than if you were testing in the sdk03:58
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pupnikfun = log(time)04:01
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goodwillthunderfest: thats what I have been doing and it is rather annoying ... but thats just me04:02
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Termanagood morning04:06
LiraNunagood evening04:06
infobotThey Call it PMS because mad-cow disease was already taken04:08
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LiraNuna^ lol04:09
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pupnikjust cleaned my microwave oven.  now i may be safe from GWB04:13
thunderfestgoodwill: this is just a suggestion but you could add a line to your makefile or whatever you use to do all the copying for you...thats what I do04:13
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csc`is it possible to use the nokia n800 as a bluetooth headset?04:17
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timeless_mbpanything is possible, some things just take longer :)04:20
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* timeless_mbp doesn't think that's a supported out of the box configuration04:21
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csc`any clues where i might go to obtain information on pairing it with a cell phone as a headset?04:22
timeless_mbpbluez is the standard linux bluetooth stack04:22
csc`..i know what bluez is04:23
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tgalalI want to detect sliding finger from right (like in microb). Do I have to implement the detection manually or is there some event fired when this happens???04:25
timeless_mbpwell…. you'd need to convince bluez to make your n800 act as a headset04:25
timeless_mbptgalal: we do it manually04:26
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tgalaltimeless_mbp, oh ok. is there and example or some code that does this that I could follow04:27
* timeless_mbp shrugs04:27
GAN900timeless_mbp, early morning or late night? :P04:27
timeless_mbplate night04:27
csc`timeless_mbp, whatever happened to the mozilla repository?04:27
timeless_mbpi just refactored a script which failed for a while04:27
timeless_mbpcsc`: which one?04:27
csc`timeless_mbp, for the nokia tablets04:28
GAN900csc`, Fennec?04:28
timeless_mbpwhich one?04:28
GAN900Pressumably they moved to Ovi04:28
GAN900Well, Firefox Mobile04:28
* timeless_mbp chuckle04:28
GAN900(which is a stupid name)04:28
timeless_mbpsadly the skyfire folks stopped hosting skyfire for nokia phones04:28
csc`i have a n800, i was curious if firefox was actually a usable solution on the n800 as apposed to the microbrowser04:28
timeless_mbpyou now need an ovi account04:28
GAN900Ovi Store: Where the Pros go when their packaging sucks!04:29
timeless_mbpGAN900: in this case, it was for symbian...04:29
timeless_mbptimeless 17621  4.0 91.5 2470076 1594204 pts/1 D    May17 808:49 /usr/bin/perl /data/mxr/genxref /data/
timeless_mbpgan: that line has been making me sad for a while :(04:29
csc`timeless_mbp, curious, whats skyfire?04:30
* GAN900 hopes the Handset UX gets a native UI for Fennec.04:30
timeless_mbpcsc`: skyfire:firefox::opera mini::opera04:30
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GAN900OK, last call for stories I missed.04:30
csc`timeless_mbp, ovi im guessing has replaced skyfire?04:30
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timeless_mbpcsc`: no04:31
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timeless_mbpskyfire the company stopped hosting its own binaries04:31
timeless_mbpand now relies on ovi to distribute them04:31
timeless_mbpbut since i refuse to get an ovi account, it meant that i couldn't install skyfire for a friend's n9704:31
timeless_mbpso i installed opera instead...04:31
csc`is skyfire worth it the download or should i just stick with micro04:31
timeless_mbpskyfire isn't available for linux afaik04:31
timeless_mbp(android ne linux)04:32
Termanatimeless_mbp, why do you refuse to get an Ovi Account?04:32
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csc`so firefox doesnt exist on the nokia tablets anymore, right?04:32
timeless_mbpcsc`: err04:32
timeless_mbpTermana: because there's a board in the company cafeteria which will remember me for 6 months from my first use of it04:32
csc`you're confusing the hell out of me04:32
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timeless_mbpcsc`: not everything i say is addressed to you!04:33
GAN900csc`, Fennec is available for N8x0 still04:33
GAN900csc`, I dunno where the debs are04:33
GAN900csc`, but presumably the site should tell you.04:33
timeless_mbpis old stuff04:33
* timeless_mbp sighs04:33
csc`i know all of it wasnt addressed to me04:34
timeless_mbp has .deb's04:34
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timeless_mbpdunno if they work on maemo404:34
csc`i was asking if firefox is still updated on the n800 platform04:34
csc`which in turn led me to watch the conversation04:35
timeless_mbpyour original question didn't mention firefox04:35
timeless_mbpit mentioned mozilla04:35
timeless_mbpwhich is incredibly ambiguous04:35
timeless_mbp(it could mean seamonkey, firefox, firefox for mobile [fennec], microb, skyfire [Not Available, but…], ...)04:36
GAN900timeless_mbp, given the channel context and the use of the word "repository" I think we can safely assume he's afterf Fennec. ;)04:37
csc`microb is gecko?04:37
timeless_mbpGAN900: i read 'repository' as 'source repository'04:37
GAN900csc`, really, really old Gecko.04:37
timeless_mbpbefore i read it as 'binary repository'04:37
timeless_mbpso i assumed he was asking where the sources were for the microb which has the screen detection stuff04:37
GAN900timeless_mbp, developer bias. :P04:37
timeless_mbpit was a perfectly reasonable conclusion04:37
timeless_mbpGAN900: developer question initiated context04:38
timeless_mbpdon't ask like a dev if you want to be treated as a user!04:38
csc`GAN900, why not something more resource efficient like webkit :<04:38
timeless_mbpcsc`: why would you ask him?04:38
timeless_mbpkinda stupid...04:38
GAN900csc`, 'cause WebKit didn't fit the bill in 200604:38
* timeless_mbp works for nokia04:38
csc`rhetorical opinion question04:38
* timeless_mbp works on microb04:38
timeless_mbpdon't ask those!04:39
timeless_mbpwebkit wasn't actually an interesting browser in 200604:39
timeless_mbpand in reality, it isn't a good choice for nokia04:39
timeless_mbplook at how well it's served their symbian customers04:39
csc`but itos08 exists, thats two years of work04:39
timeless_mbp(it hasn't)04:39
GAN900csc`, they claim N810 is supported04:39
GAN900csc`, think it'll work04:39
GAN900csc`, might also try Tear04:40
timeless_mbpthere's a great article about 'webkit'04:40
pupniktimeless_mbp: how does it feel to be exoert in so many factors that nobody else will understand04:40
GAN900csc`, MicroB came out late Summer 200704:40
csc`timeless, all i know is that i have memory applets and everytime a browser opens, it drops all the resources down to about 5mb04:40
csc`and eventually, it stops loading images04:40
timeless_mbp> And remember:04:41
timeless_mbp> There is no “WebKit on mobile!”04:41
timeless_mbp> So far I’ve tested 10 different mobile WebKits, and they are all slightly different. You can find the details below.04:41
timeless_mbpcsc`: um04:41
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* timeless_mbp tries to care04:41
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timeless_mbpany web browser will take at least 4mb of ram04:42
GAN900timeless_mbp, two bugs behind you.04:42
* GAN900 needs to file the rest of his PR1.2 bugs04:42
timeless_mbpGAN900: ?04:42
csc`lol, it eats over 100mb of ram, timeless_mbp04:42
GAN90096 vs 94 filed04:42
GAN900Hrm, that sounds wrong04:42
timeless_mbpGAN900: oh04:42
timeless_mbpi should probably file some more04:43
GAN900244 bugs filed.04:43
timeless_mbpbrowserd is using 35mb here04:43
timeless_mbp2 windows04:43
* csc` shrugs04:43
timeless_mbpso if you're using 100mb, you're doing 'something else04:43
GAN900Not sure what the karma algorithm is now04:43
csc`normal browsing, timeless04:43
timeless_mbpGAN900: it's basically "eat my count"04:43
* GAN900 just knows bergie hates bug reporters.04:43
timeless_mbpcsc`: are you using an n8x0 or an n900?04:44
* SpeedEvil notes that RSS is a lie.04:44
timeless_mbpbecause if you're using an n8x0, i don't want to hear anything from you04:44
timeless_mbpok, go sit in a corner04:44
csc`yeah, thought so04:44
GAN900256 bugs04:44
SpeedEvil works ok on n90004:44
GAN900So, 12 bugs behind.04:44
csc`timeless, not my fault nokia wants to ditch their products04:44
timeless_mbpcsc`: it isn't fair to complain about bugs in an out of date program04:44
timeless_mbpcsc`: not mine either04:44
timeless_mbpbut you're free to complain to nokia care04:45
timeless_mbpi'll give you the phone number if you're too lazy to look it up04:45
GAN900csc`, did you check the link I provided yet?04:45
timeless_mbpcsc`: it isn't fair to compare a new version of a program against an ancient version of a program04:45
timeless_mbpi don't compare gecko1.9.3+ against safari1.004:45
timeless_mbpand please don't bite the engineer who talks to you04:46
timeless_mbpit's poor form, and a terrible idea04:46
timeless_mbpespecially if he's been up since yesterday and it's nearly 5am and he skipped dinner04:46
timeless_mbphe might bite back.04:46
jacekowskimicrob is ancient by design04:46
timeless_mbp(you aren't kosher, but that doesn't preclude biting)04:46
jacekowskiopera FTW04:46
GAN900csc`, good news is that N8x0 may have MeeGo sometime this year.04:46
* csc` shudders04:47
jacekowskii thought that nokia denied these rumours04:47
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GAN900jacekowski, not a rumor04:47
csc`timeless_mbp, dont presume im a psychic, its bad form and generally considered crazy thoughts ;P04:47
jacekowskiand they said that there will be no meego for old devices04:47
GAN900Officially supported MeeGo/Harmattan04:47
* GAN900 stabs Nokia for endlessly confusing branding.04:47
jacekowskiwhat about n900?04:47
GAN900No official support because they're cheap, short-sighted bastards04:48
GAN900But community support should be easy04:48
csc`if only itos08 was community run04:48
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GAN900Diablo's got a community SSU04:49
jacekowskiGAN900: well, i don't believe in any decent community support04:49
GAN900jacekowski, ok then.04:50
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csc`GAN900, link?04:50
GAN900csc`, somewhere on talk.maemo.org04:50
GAN900I don't have it handy.04:50
GAN900csc`, think it's a sticky in the Diablo forum04:51
GAN900csc`, and, by the way, it's Maemo 4. ITOS isn't a think anymore. :P04:51
GAN900jacekowski, Nokia has a team doing the hardware layer.04:51
GAN900So, meh.04:51
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rodaldhello from  Guatemala04:57
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* timeless_mbp cries04:59
timeless_mbpunlink is a bad idea while debugging04:59
SpeedEvilIf the files are not closed - they exist still in /proc04:59
timeless_mbpthey were closed and the process quit04:59
timeless_mbpi only realized it afterwards05:00
timeless_mbpit's 5am05:00
timeless_mbpa bit late to be thinking clearly05:00
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SpeedEvilTired coding seems like a good idea at the time.05:00
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SpeedEvilThen you wake up, and find that you've copied a mirror of youtube over your /dev/sda05:01
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timeless_mbpwell, that's great05:06
timeless_mbpit seems i'm writing an empty database05:06
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timeless_mbpon the bright side, it means i didn't actually delete a big database!05:11
ljpless maintainence with an empty db05:11
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csc`timeless_mbp, curious question, since you have your nose in nokia's belongings, why doesnt the n800 have gps, and instead an fm tuner that isnt usable out of the box (With the last latest software release)05:16
timeless_mbpcsc`: the n8x0 were basically experimental platforms05:16
csc`oddly i figured that05:17
timeless_mbpthey had whichever component was included from some other product05:17
timeless_mbproughly 'surplus stock'05:17
timeless_mbpthe only component that was custom was the screen05:17
timeless_mbpwhich means that when the n800 was produced, there were a lot of nokia products w/ fm radios (n95?)05:17
csc`im just curious, i havent toyed around with an n810, it just seems that an n800 would be more suitable for gps05:17
timeless_mbpand when the n810 was produced, there were lots of products w/ gps (dunno which product, i didn't care at this point)05:18
SpeedEvilOften the GPS comes free.05:18
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SpeedEvilFor example - with the n900 - the bluetooth and the FM reciever are one chip05:18
luke-jrthey are?05:19
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csc`it'd be interesting to have google map's 'estimated gps' on the n800, but i doubt that'd work05:19
luke-jroh, 900 not 80005:19
SpeedEvilsorry, yes05:19
SpeedEvilestimated GPS is probably cell-GPS - which uses the phone module to work out with the aid of the network where you are.05:19
csc`SpeedEvil, any modifications possible to break the fm tuner's wavelength caps (n800)05:19
SpeedEvilThat is somewhat unreliable on the n800.05:20
timeless_mbpcsc`: there was something for japanese frequencies iirc05:20
SpeedEvil'break' ?05:20
SpeedEvilread the kernel source - see if it's in there05:20
csc`SpeedEvil, yeah it is, but on the ipod touch, google pinpoints more accurate locations using wifi network data they collected with streetview05:20
csc`more accurate than cell-gps, using predetermined data05:20
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luke-jrtimeless_mbp: so basically, NIT platform failed?05:21
SpeedEvilI wonder if they will be allowed to keep the data05:21
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csc`ive also heard its possible to install android on the n8x0 series?05:21
timeless_mbpluke-jr: depends on the objective05:21
timeless_mbpif the objective was to test technology05:21
luke-jrcsc`: why would you want Android on a non-phone?05:21
timeless_mbpand to force our team to deliver products05:21
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timeless_mbpwe tested technology (some failed: wimax)05:21
timeless_mbpand we delivered products05:22
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luke-jrtimeless_mbp: but not enough to keep with custom displays?05:22
luke-jrhence the N900 being 100% surplus components05:22
csc`luke-jr, some people do it just because they can05:22
csc`i know someone who has a droid just to use wifi05:22
timeless_mbpluke-jr: which device did we share the display w/ in the n900?05:22
luke-jrtimeless_mbp: no idea, but why get rid of the nice displays for a crap one otherwise?05:23
timeless_mbpcost of course05:23
timeless_mbpsilly rabbit05:23
luke-jra $600 that I won't buy is less profit than a $800 that I would buy05:23
SpeedEvilOnly if there are a million people just like you05:24
timeless_mbp2 600$ devices sold to 2 other people is more profit than selling one to you for 800$ and none to those other two05:24
timeless_mbpactually, that assumes our profit is $1 per device in both cases05:25
timeless_mbpwhich for all i know is correct :)05:25
timeless_mbpi.e. i don't know, and your $800 device is hypothetical05:25
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timeless_mbpluke-jr: i don't generally agree w/ management05:26
timeless_mbpbut management does do a lot of bean counting05:26
timeless_mbpand it's hard to argue w/ how they count their beans05:26
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csc`random question, can more than one bluetooth device be used at the same time? ie a phone and keyboard05:30
SpeedEvilThere are limits - bandwidth may not allow some combos05:33
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jscinozHello everyone :)06:14
mrflappypantsthat is lol in chinese06:15
zChrisKek :)06:16
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jscinozAm i correct in understanding that Modest supports the idle extension to IMAP, but this support is disabled in the stock n900 builds?06:18
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luke-jra spider just crawled inside my keyboard06:20
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SpeedEvilWas it called google?06:27
swc|666luke-jr, freaky06:29
timeless_mbpyou could call it google if you like..06:29
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luke-jrI could, but then I might hesitate to slaughter it06:31
luke-jrit got away06:34
DocScrutinizernonsense. For all I know apple is using, not the google wifi data collected either semi-illegally or totally "oops, we didn't plan to do that, was an accident"06:37
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: how is it semi-illegal?06:37
luke-jrI have concluded this particular spider is unlikely to be poisonous, and have allowed it to escape into my pile o' mess on my desk06:38
DocScrutinizersimple. Some german court says it's a breach of german data privacy laws, then it's illegal by definition06:38
luke-jronly in Germany06:38
luke-jrwhich is known to be extremely screwed up06:38
DocScrutinizernah, if somewhere is totally screwed up, then that's USA06:39
luke-jrUSA is pretty screwed up, but Germany is far worse06:39
DocScrutinizermaybe the opposite direction, but yes06:39
SpeedEvilWandering around capturing all packets in a systematic organised way is quite dodgy by many definitions.06:40
luke-jrGermany has mandatory brainwashing, persecution of those who dare question the Holocaust, and other such nonsense06:40
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SpeedEvilI don't think it's a huge reach to call that an invasion of privacy.06:40
DocScrutinizeromg. now it's getting silly06:40
luke-jrSpeedEvil: if you're broadcasting to the public, don't complain if someone listens06:40
luke-jrif you don't want it public, encrypt it06:41
SpeedEvilFun german story06:41
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luke-jr(for the record, I neither claim to know nor care how many or what methods were used by the Nazis to kill people; but persecuting people because of their opinion on it seems ridiculous)06:42
DocScrutinizerif you're walking thru the night, don't complain all sorts of rape and robbery accur to you. If you don't like, get a gun06:42
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: totally different06:42
luke-jrthis is like two guys shouting their plans for the day across the neighborhood with loudspeakers06:43
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luke-jrand complaining that someone driving by heard their plans06:43
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: not at all. sounds both like you're living in the USA06:43
luke-jrit is06:43
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luke-jrmy N810 happens to keep a record of every wifi packet it comes across, btw06:44
fureddoHi, it will look like a stupid question but as I have no Nokia device, I don't know...  Is it possible to do "double-click" with your fingers when using the N900?06:45
luke-jrnot because I care about what other people are doing, but because that's what kismet does06:45
luke-jrfureddo: yes06:45
luke-jrfureddo: hold-tap06:45
DocScrutinizerit's like you are recording everything with parabolic mics and 500 taperecorders, and then centrally process it. And YOU accuse germany about 3rd Reich?06:45
fureddoluke-jr, so it's not really a double-click but a holding-click, right?06:45
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: everything broadcast to your vehicles06:46
luke-jrfureddo: yeah06:46
fureddoluke-jr, Ok, thanks.  On the scratchbox emulator, I guess it will be a double-click but will translate to a long click on the device.06:46
DocScrutinizerbah, I'm really not in the mood to discuss that now. Not worth it06:46
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: privacy is secondary to avoiding brainwashing06:47
luke-jrin any case06:47
DocScrutinizerwhich obviously in your case wasn't so successfull06:47
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GAN900luke-jr, the screen on the N900 is nicer than the one on the N810.06:50
luke-jrGAN900: nonsense, it's way too small06:50
GAN900luke-jr, have you ever used one?06:50
GAN900and that's super-subjective06:51
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* GAN900 wonders why his slide closes crooked.06:51
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: tell me, why should the law differentiate between filter(capture()); and capture(data); filter(data); ?07:38
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asjluke-jr: because there's a huge difference07:48
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: tell me, where should I publish the NDA and PR contract you signed with google? Should I attach the video taken from your sleeping room by a camera that was inside that quadrocopter drone in plain .avi, or better upload to youtube?08:00
Sambeezihello everyone. I've set up password-less login from my laptop to my n900 and it works great. However, no matter what I try to do, I cannot log into my laptop from my n900. Any ideas as to why I can't? a simple   ssh usernameonlaptop@laptopsIP doesn't do anything08:00
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Proteousdo you have a ssh server running on your laptop?08:14
Proteousdo you have a firewall running on your laptop?08:14
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SambeeziProteous: nothing has been changed. I can get on there from a different computer to that laptop, but from the n900 i can't,  ssh user@host -v doesn't give me much info either08:16
SambeeziProteous: firewall shouldn't be an issue. Nothing was changed. I just updated to PR 1.2 and now i can no longer log into my laptop via ssh08:16
Proteouscan you ping the laptop from your n900?08:16
SambeeziProteous: yes i can08:16
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Chikumeamo media player is it a front end for mplayer?08:18
SurfaSambeezi, how about with password, does it work?08:19
ProteousSambeezi: so what happens, does the host respond at all?08:19
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ChikuI added a .jpg file inside an album folder but player doesn't display the jpg08:20
Proteousit automaticly detects tubgirl and won't display it08:21
Proteousit's for your own safty08:21
petteriSambeezi: try connecting with debug on. Like this ssh -vvv user@host08:21
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: I'm anti-Google, fool08:24
luke-jrasj: what difference?08:24
asjluke-jr: the same reason why CALEA doesn't work that way08:25
luke-jrnever heard of it08:25
asjluke-jr: good CALEA08:25
luke-jrwhy? I just said I'm anti-Google08:25
asjthen use what ever search engine you like08:26
luke-jrasj: anyhow, you answered a "why" question; I didn't ask a "why" question08:26
luke-jrthere's a difference between wiretapping and logging public broadcasts08:27
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asjluke-jr: actually that depends on you expect to have a reasonable expectation of privacy08:27
SambeeziSurfa: Proteous petteri , cursed Verizon fios. changed my ip and me dumbhead didn't even check. changed port forwarding settings and it's all good now. I knew it was something crazy like that but just couldn't figure it out until i actually went and looked into my firewall settings again. duh! anyways, tahnks for the help. *embarrassed look*08:27
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Proteousglad you got it figured out08:28
luke-jrasj: it is unreasonable to expect an unencrypted public broadcast to be private08:28
Surfait happens08:28
asjwhich is why it's illegal to peer into open windows of strangers houses, while they didn't close the shades and might be publicly displaying the family jewels to the world you aren't allowed to record it08:29
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luke-jrasj: it's illegal to peer as well as record08:29
luke-jrthe equivalent here would be legal peering but illegal recording08:29
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luke-jrlet me try rephrasing my objection08:30
luke-jrwhy should Google be required to install filters on their embedded/mobile systems, when it is more cost-effective to have their bulky datacenter filter the data?08:31
luke-jrin both cases, technology is filtering out the "private" data that was broadcast publicly08:31
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ProteousI want to setup an open wifi connection and get anyone who connects to it arrested, MUHAHAHAHAAA08:32
luke-jrProteous: not just connects to it, but even receives your beacon!08:32
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DocScrutinizer51Proteous: no problem. come here to germany. You can have that here. Though otoh since ~1 week you're in danger to getm  arrested as well, as it's been outlawed to have open wlan08:35
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TermanaDocScrutinizer51, whats the punishment for the ignorant who leave theirs open?08:38
DocScrutinizer51not clear yet08:38
Proteousthey rip your toenails out with rusty pliers08:38
DocScrutinizer51at least a fee of a few 100bucks to music industry08:39
Proteousthose fines are the only thing keeping them afloat!! THEY NEED YOUR HELP, GIVE IF YOU CAN!08:39
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RST38hHehe, Eldar is starting another crusade, this time against Meego =)08:50
DocScrutinizer (open wlan outlawed by supreme court)08:52
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DocScrutinizer51bah. USA it's even illegal to have a hex number printed on your t-shirt09:03
RST38hReally? URL?09:04
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DocScrutinizer51css key for DVD09:04
RST38hAh, the CSS key... I guess it is illegal in Germany too, just has not been explicitly tried09:05
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DocScrutinizer51sure. USA knows to act like rambo everywhere on this globe09:06
RST38hThat's separate though09:07
swc|666man wtf .. this is twice already that the Internet Connection dialog fails to load09:07
Corsacwtf(6) - translates acronyms for you09:08
RST38hI am mainly considering the chances of being found guilty of *something* when traveling to one destination or another. And Germany does not look good.09:09
swc| laws suck09:09
swc|666i was i jail there for hearsay; no evidence for a year09:10
Surfawell, in germany you can handle almost everything with common sense.. which is not case in the us09:10
swc|666not in bayern evidentally09:10
Corsachmhm, hs-48 nokia headset has crappy quality except when pressing on the button09:10
swc|666!= sense of any kind09:10
Surfadoesn't make sense to mention them in same sentence09:10
Corsacwhich I guess is the mike button09:10
RST38hSurfa: Funny, I had the same thought, but in opposite direction =)09:10
SurfaRST38h, well, i've lived in germany and visited us multiple times09:10
Corsacha no, answer/end button09:10
CorsacI should tape it09:11
RST38hSurfa: Especially that accident in Frankfurt airport...09:11
RST38hSurfa: Where they refused to print me a ticket on the basis that I had not shown them the ticket09:11
RST38hNo way common sense can explain THAT09:12
Surfain the us there's one benefit for travellers.. you need to be a total idiot not to find your way. 2m of each other there's someone asking where you are going and no matter what you say they still check your papers and push you to right direction09:12
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* RST38h never had his papers checked in the US09:12
SurfaRST38h, well, idiots do live in each country09:13
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RST38hOther than at the passport control in the airport, which is usually way meaner than any place else in the world09:13
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Surfamy first landing to chicago was actually just like that, every person checked my bagtag to be sure where I was going, even that I told them it every time09:14
RST38hSurfa: Remember: security personnel are not "persons". They are security personnel.09:14
RST38hSurfa: Once you stop treating them as persons and start treating them as hostile robots, you will be ok09:15
Surfasuits me, but you know what I mean09:15
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RST38hActually, no, I have never had my bagtags checked in the US :)09:15
Surfabut that's only a benefit for a traveller as I said in the first place09:15
RST38hBut I can tell a few rather fun stories about US customs09:16
FIQCan i use userCSS in microB somehow?09:16
RST38hLike the guy who wanted to see what is on the custom NAND cartridge I was carrying09:16
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RST38hHe proudly told me his previous job was the detective at NYPD09:17
Surfawell, I've had some working equipment with me couple of times and it's always the same.. asking questions and nodding even that they don't have a clue what I'm talking about09:17
DocScrutinizer51FIQ: allegedly yes09:17
* RST38h expressed polite hope that the guy would love his *current* job of a security drone at the airport.09:18
SurfaRST38h, did you happen to ask why it was previous? ;)09:18
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wazdmoaning people :)09:18
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RST38hSurfa: That would be hostile, and I am well able to smear people in shit without being outwardly hostile =)09:18
RST38hehlo wazd09:18
wazdRST38h: o/09:18
Surfaoh rly, but i think that question would have been a good start for a great adventure of security checks at the airport :)09:19
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zChrisShouldnt ditch people that are only doing their jobs09:19
RST38hSurfa: Not necessarily, although that is always a possibility09:19
RST38hzChris: Not "people". Hostile drones. See above.09:20
meceIs the Nokia twitter widget part of Desktop Widgets under "Maemo Official Applications" ?09:20
RST38hzChris: They are not treating you as a person. If you treat them as people, you are in for a disappointment.09:20
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RST38hAnyways, gotta go09:21
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DocScrutinizer51anyway in US you easlily get on a no-flight list for idiotic coincidences in one of the gvmt's databases, and you got no chance whatsoever to fix that. In germany we got quite a history of large databases built up by big brother, and that's just one of the reasons why it's a different thing when google stores uncrypted yet private data of a few million people than it is when my neighbour listens to my wlan09:27
Stskeepsfrank.wagner is back09:28
mece~seen MohammadAG09:29
infobotmohammadag <~MohammadA@> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7h 32m 52s ago, saying: 'think of a better excuse :P'.09:29
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DocScrutinizer51basically it's illegal to store any of your data without your explicit authorization to do so, here in germany. while un USA it's not even forbidden to sell your customers database to a 3rd party company, to spam you with whatever they like09:31
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DocScrutinizer51and google stored private data here the large way, and then took it to USA where they never will be revoked09:34
meceanyone using Twitter widget can confirm that the cpu usage bug appears only after a tweet has been posted from it? As I explained here:
DocScrutinizer51that's why I say google acts in a criminal way with their streetmap cars ad wlan scanning09:35
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pigeonhmm, libqfacebook 0.1.1-4 seems to be empty for some reasons09:35
pigeonor is it meant to be like that...09:36
pigeonand someone had a typo:   libqfacebook-dev: Depends: liqfacebook1 (= 0.1.1) but it is not installable09:37
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pigeonah, libqfacebook 0.1.1-2 is sane, non empty.09:40
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K0JIbKAI've got <RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin> image is it a EMMC fiasco image or a new rootfs image? does not clarify the situation.09:52
Stskeepswhat device are you trying to flash?09:53
Chikuvanilla is emmc09:53
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Chikuoh diablo09:53
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Stskeepsno interna mmc for n800 images09:55
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Stskeepsso it's a rootfs image09:55
meceK0JIbKA, well, compare the version numbers to the other ones. The one with the highest version would be the newest, and thusly most likely the rootfs image.09:55
K0JIbKAmemory is overfilles and device gives error: malformed database schema - unable to open a temporary database file for storing temporary tables09:56
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K0JIbKAit's possible to <restore factory defaults> and <clear device> though without any reflashing. I'm in doubt09:57
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K0JIbKAIt's N800 with OS 5.2008.43-709:58
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K0JIbKAI've flooded repositories from
meceoh. Guillermo is off the hobbit.10:00
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K0JIbKAnow it's giving this error: malformed database schema - unable to open a temporary database file for storing temporary tables10:04
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StskeepsK0JIbKA: just reflash the rootfs and you should be fine10:05
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K0JIbKAStskeeps: I'm worried about /home/user and My10:05
StskeepsK0JIbKA: got sshd installed?10:06
Stskeepsor bootmenu10:06
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K0JIbKAStskeeps: think not and there's no possible way to confirm it. Application manager is showing no apps at all10:07
K0JIbKASo I've decided to reflash the whole set10:08
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timeless_mbpGAN900: so, gecko talks to maemo certman via a symlink10:13
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timeless_mbpif the symlink is lost or destroyed then we don't talk to it10:13
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ghostcubehi folks, will the skype client be updated to work with linux and mac clients10:20
ghostcubewho nees windows o.O10:20
ghostcubejnone of my friends use windows10:20
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Treibholzghostcube: works here.10:20
Treibholzwith all three of the,10:21
ghostcubevideo call to linux client works for you?10:21
SwedeMikeghostcube: you mean for video or what? with sound it's always been working (but with less network resiliency than the other clients though)10:21
Stskeepstheir clients might need to be updated10:21
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Treibholzhmm, video... never tried... I don't WANT to see them10:21
ghostcubenope video only works with windoof 4.6.x10:21
ghostcubeand this must be changed10:21
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ghostcubecause you wont see any client for mac or linux using the 4.6 base on mac or linux10:21
ghostcubethis is kind of stupid making an linux phone only calling windows boxes10:22
Treibholzghostcube: this sounds like aou have to wait, until THEY updated Linux and MacOS10:22
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ghostcubeok better joke this morning10:22
Treibholzghostcube: you could try jabber.10:22
petterior use jabber/gtalk, video for it works fine10:22
ghostcubenope i wont use jabber or gtalk10:23
ghostcubethe funny part is my linux client works fine for all three client to call with video10:23
Treibholzghostcube: then you need to wait until skype brought an update for Linux and MacOS.10:23
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ghostcubethis wont ever happen and why isnt maemo version not the linuxversion i use at ubuntu10:24
ghostcubeor debian or somewhere else10:24
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Treibholzghostcube: why should this never happen?10:24
ghostcubeTreibholz: you following the dev sites on skypeso far?10:24
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Treibholzghostcube: no, I try to avoid the useage of skype whenever I can.10:25
Treibholzbecause skype is as evil as ICQ.10:25
ghostcubeso it wont happen that linux and mac are the same as windows10:25
ghostcubeskype works just fine10:25
Treibholzso does jabber.10:25
ghostcubeicq is now russian so ok its evil :D10:25
jogairc forever10:25
Treibholzjoga: video IRC?10:25
ghostcubeTreibholz: i dont care if someone uses jabber gtalk or whatever i want to use skype i need skype10:26
ghostcubeso its not in any case possible to switch10:26
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jogainteresting if it only works to windows skype...has someone else tried it?10:26
ghostcubeits announced in an bug report10:26
Treibholzghostcube: if there is no way to fix it, then you're lost.10:26
ghostcubeits confirmed10:26
jogaI still haven't tried the feature because I don't have any skype friends who could have video chats :)10:26
ghostcubethere must be10:27
ghostcubelinux version is fine10:27
Treibholzghostcube: yes, it's called jabber.10:27
jogaI guess it'll be fixed then, eventually10:27
jogaTreibholz: you can't switch to another if the people you need to contact are in skype10:27
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ghostcubeTreibholz: next worse joke this morning means for me you ignored10:27
joga(and they either won't change, won't know how to, or don't care to)10:27
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Treibholzjoga: well, if it doesn't work, and all alternatives are ignored, then you have to live with "it doesn't work".10:28
jogaTreibholz: true.10:28
* timeless_mbp is confused10:28
jogaI think such an issue will be fixed though10:28
timeless_mbpwhat doesn't work?10:28
jogatimeless_mbp: apparently video call with skype to a linux box10:28
ghostcubehmm ok if nokia coders to stupid to get an working skype client i need to get an other phone next time10:28
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jogaheh if only skype was open ..10:29
Treibholzghostcube: why? it's working fine with windows.10:29
timeless_mbpjoga: did you try wine?10:29
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timeless_mbpdoes it not work?10:29
Treibholzghostcube: more important would be a useable mail-client.10:29
jogatimeless_mbp: wine? why? no I haven't tried, ghostcube was complaining about it10:29
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ghostcubetimeless_mbp: no it does not work10:30
timeless_mbpjoga: bah, then translate my suggestion to him10:30
Treibholzghostcube: and I'm pretty sure, the nokia-guys just use a
ghostcubeit just working with stupid windows boxes10:30
jogaand it's "wrong" to use wine if there's a native client that should handle it10:30
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timeless_mbpjoga: it's wrong to claim linux boxes can't do it10:30
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timeless_mbpwine runs on linux boxes10:30
ghostcubetimeless_mbp: no need for wine10:30
timeless_mbpif you want to claim that skype's linux client doesn't work, fine10:30
ghostcubelinux native can do calls10:30
timeless_mbpbut don't claim the boxes are incapable10:30
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ghostcubemaemo cant do to all client versions except windows10:30
Treibholztimeless_mbp: The problem is, that skype has a bad linux/macOS-Client.10:31
timeless_mbpTreibholz: you mean the problem is people aren't willing to use the better client10:31
timeless_mbpghostcube: is the linux client open source?10:31
jogatimeless_mbp: I'm not claiming that, I know I can do everything with linux, even if it needs M-x butterfly, but apparently this one is because of the client in n90010:31
timeless_mbpif not, what the heck is wrong w/ using wine+closed-windows-client?10:31
hrwbug 10312?10:31
povbot`Bug Video calls with Skype does not work10:31
Treibholztimeless_mbp: no, there is no better Client für Linux.10:31
ghostcubetimeless_mbp: no10:31
jogaand I have my doubts about using the windows client with wine and expecting proper sound and video10:31
timeless_mbpjoga: try it10:32
infobotTreibholz meant: timeless_mbp: no, there is no better Client for Linux.10:32
timeless_mbpyou might be surprised10:32
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ghostcubetimeless_mbp: stop10:32
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ghostcubeyou dont get the problem as it seems10:32
ghostcubemaemo client sux ... linux client works fine10:32
ghostcubeso there must be a reason for this10:32
Treibholzthe problem is, that the maemo-skype-client is to new for the old linux and macos-clients-.10:32
hrwtimeless_mbp: I can have video call between 2008 symbian phones using their skype clients. I cant video call them from n90010:32
hrwTreibholz: it is too new for anything != skype/win3210:33
timeless_mbphrw: glad to see they screwed that bug up10:33
timeless_mbpsince c0 is clearly about windows10:33
hrwtimeless_mbp: this is *mine* bug report10:33
hrwtimeless_mbp: and c0 is about win32 and also fring/s6010:33
fralsGAN900: afaik the downloads number is counted from all 3 repos only for apps currently in extras (re: mwkn)10:34
Treibholzmaybe, this is just a codec-problem.10:34
timeless_mbphrw: i'd presume the older clients use a different codec10:34
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timeless_mbpi'm assuming this was a design choice by Skype10:35
ghostcubetimeless_mbp: nope ...10:35
ghostcubethe linux client works for calling all clients10:35
timeless_mbpghostcube: you work for Skype?10:35
ghostcubemaemo doesnt10:35
* frals facepalms10:35
ghostcubenope i support ubuntu ... and skype is fine in linux version10:35
hrwtimeless_mbp: as a normal user I do not care about internals. I cant make video call to my friend n95 with fring10:35
Treibholzghostcube: maybe, the removed a codec.10:35
hrwtimeless_mbp: and I can video call him from any other skype client with video support10:36
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ghostcubehrw: full ack10:36
timeless_mbphrw: is fring a third party client?10:36
ghostcubedoesnt matter10:36
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timeless_mbphrw: it sounds like you should file a bug against fring10:36
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timeless_mbphave you?10:37
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ghostcubehrw: i think we talking against oaks ...10:37
fralstimeless_mbp: "To retrieve the MMS your active connection will need to be changed. Switch connection?" or "To retrieve the MMS your active connection will need to change. Switch connection?"?10:37
ghostcubetimeless_mbp: ???10:37
hrwtimeless_mbp: it is 3rdparty10:37
ghostcubeyou still dont get it or?10:37
timeless_mbpfrals: the latter10:38
timeless_mbpghostcube: your English parser is broken10:38
timeless_mbpplease upgrade10:38
fralstimeless_mbp: ty10:38
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timeless_mbpfrals: i think you need a comma after 'MMS'10:38
timeless_mbpbut please find someone else to verify10:38
timeless_mbp(that was my fault)10:38
ghostcubetimeless_mbp: my english is better as your german i think so10:38
ghostcubewe could test it10:38
timeless_mbpghostcube: there's a reason why we aren't speaking German here10:39
hrwtimeless_mbp: I do not use fring so will not report against it.10:39
timeless_mbphrw: so have your friend report it10:39
ghostcubegenau ... so dont blame me for an language i dont prefere10:39
ghostcubeor speak german10:39
timeless_mbpghostcube: i'm blaming you for not listening10:39
ghostcubeyeah same for you10:39
timeless_mbpghostcube: if Skype delivered a client which supports a certain codec10:40
timeless_mbpthen that was Skype's choice10:40
timeless_mbpthere's nothing wrong w/ Skype making that decision10:40
joga*if*? do you know this is the case?10:40
ghostcubenokia does code the maemo client10:40
timeless_mbpif a third party doesn't support that codec then that third party will need to upgrade its client10:41
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jogaif a skype client on linux desktop doesn't understand the skype client on n90010:41
jogawho is the third party?10:41
timeless_mbpjoga: fring here10:41
jogahow did we end up with fring? what is it anyway10:42
timeless_mbpjoga: presumably it's Skype's job to update their linux client10:42
joganm. googling10:42
ghostcubejoga: its pure shit and we werent talking about fring before timeless_mbp did it10:42
jogatimeless_mbp: presumably, yes10:42
timeless_mbpand given that they've shipped the n900 client w/ this codec, it shouldn't be too hard for them to do so10:42
timeless_mbpbut that's not Nokia's problem either10:42
ghostcubeNOKIA codes skype client and this damn client cant use any other native skype client than windows 4.6.x to do vid calls10:43
ghostcubeand this cant be10:43
ghostcubethats just the fact and it wont go aaway10:43
timeless_mbpghostcube: no, it doesn't10:43
timeless_mbpnokia does *not* write the skype client10:43
timeless_mbpit's a code drop from *skype*10:43
ghostcubeand so what its recodet cause the normal linux client works10:43
jogaI can see why it would only work with newer clients, as unfortunate as it is, but I guess eventually they'll be up-to-date10:43
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jpesince i update to the latest firmware, my mail for exchange doesn't work any more , someone with the same problem ?10:46
ghostcubetimeless_mbp: i dont care10:46
timeless_mbpjpe: have you tried using logging?10:47
timeless_mbpfinding someone with the "same problem" is unlikely to get you anywhere10:47
jpenot yet10:47
timeless_mbpif they *have* the same problem, they're not in a position to help you anyway10:48
Treibholzjpe: works here.10:48
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Treibholzjpe: exchange 200710:48
jpegetting a 'exchange server is not responding...'10:48
timeless_mbpjpe: turn on logging...10:48
timeless_mbpis down?10:49
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MohammadAGnot for me10:50
Ken-Youngtimeless, Me neither.10:50
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timeless_mbpnot down? hrm10:50
timeless_mbpoh well10:50
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Treibholzbtw. is there a cool todo-list-application somwhere for maemo?10:53
asj__Treibholz: the calendar app?10:53
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Treibholzasj__: forget it....10:54
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timeless_mbptimeless 17621  4.0 92.5 2487364 1610412 pts/1 R    May17 812:01 /usr/bin/perl /data/mxr/genxref /data/
* timeless_mbp cries10:54
Treibholzasj__: I need about 10 clicks to reach my todos...10:55
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Treibholzasj__: that's not what I would call 'cool'10:55
Treibholzfor now I use the dbian-binary of devtodo in the terminal.10:56
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Khertan_atWorkHi All !10:58
MohammadAGo/ Khertan_atWork10:59
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Khertan_atWorkHum ... if i want to put a list of QPushButton in a QMainWindow finger scrollable ....what is the widget i should use ...11:04
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fralsso err, anyone know of a way to launch ovi maps with a map over a specific location?11:05
fralsor any other of the maps apps for maemo?11:05
X-Fadefrals: How can I fix the 'MMS' AP as default thing again?11:06
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frals/opt/fmms/ should do a switch between which one is picked as default, hopefully11:06
fralsif you just run it, wont give you any output or anythign thou11:06
X-Fadefrals: It somehow hid my 'internet' ap.11:06
fralsX-Fade: oh, err, thats weird11:07
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X-Fadefrals: Yeah, internet is hidden and mms is default.11:07
X-Fadefrals: Happened this friday when I restored a backup on PR1.2 and restored apps after flash.11:08
* MohammadAG demotes frals11:08
fralsX-Fade: bah, i want to blame backup app but i guess it really is my fault :P11:08
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X-Fadefrals: Backup was made on PR1.2 too, so I don't know.11:08
fralsX-Fade: gconftool-2 -R /apps/fmms, check what the apn = says, then do gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP and see if it contains internet or mms settings11:09
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X-Fadefrals: But having MMS as default did ring a bell ;)11:09
* MohammadAG didn't have any problems11:09
fralsyes :(11:09
fralsbug #950011:09
povbot`Bug internet connection settings aren't followed if 2 APs configured11:09
MohammadAGand I used the 1.2 backup app11:09
fralshmm, maybe its bug #947611:10
povbot`Bug Only 1 APN connection is shown in 'Connect automatically' setting11:10
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X-Fadethe mms AP was created with fapn on pr1.1 btw.11:11
fralsX-Fade: the easiest way is to do gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/<apn id from fmms> and then gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/fmms and reinstall fmms tbh11:11
X-FadeSo maybe the convert thing went wrong?11:11
fralsah, could be that it didnt set the "fmms is actually using this flag" like it should have, which would explain the confusion and hiding of the wrong apn11:11
fralsif you reboot the phone before reinstalling fmms your 'internet' connection should be restored by some system component btw11:12
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X-FadeI will try that this evening.11:13
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fralsX-Fade: just ping me if theres any problems.. it usually works ;)11:39
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ShapeshifterHas anyone else got bug 10415 and likes to confirm?11:40
povbot`Bug "My location" in chat status hangs and doesn't get updated11:40
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X-Fadefrals: Yes, on my other phone it is ok. It just happened when I restored a backup onto another one ;)11:41
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fralsdid you change sim between creating the backup and restoring it btw?11:42
X-Fadefrals: no.11:43
fralsok, most definitely fmms fault then ;)11:44
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timeless_mbpShapeshifter: install sysklog11:47
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Shapeshiftertimeless_mbp: wont it eat noticably more battery?11:49
Shapeshiftertimeless_mbp: and do I need to reboot after having it installed or something?11:49
timeless_mbpprobably, dunno11:49
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Shapeshiftertimeless_mbp: output isn't very interesting. location-daemon[3864]: GLIB DEBUG default - :1.56 now having 1 connections, location-daemon[3864]: GLIB DEBUG default - Tracking ongoing, status: 1, npe_id: 15 yadda yadda11:51
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* timeless_mbp shrugs11:52
timeless_mbpthe interesting side is the status thingy, right?11:53
timeless_mbptry changing the precision now11:53
Shapeshiftertimeless_mbp: there's no output about it. only from location-daemon11:53
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Shapeshifterdoesn't do anything in syslog.11:53
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TuukkaWas xterm changed in pr1.2? Just asking cause after getting root access by sudo gainroot it returns "enable RD mode to break your device". WTH? It wasn't like that before..12:09
Stskeepsinstall rootsh again12:09
zomgSo to totally reset every setting in an N900 I need to reflash the whole thing including the eMMC card?12:10
zomgI was borrowing one for a while and now I need to return it and I'd really like to know all my personal data is gone.. =)12:10
defraggeris this a package i can install through application manager in extras-test? :
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TuukkaStskeeps, Thanks!12:11
jpeok, i've enabled logging for my activesync, but i don't see any errors
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X-Fadedefragger: Not on your device, as it is an i386 package.12:16
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defraggerX-Fade: sorry i meant that:
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X-Fadedefragger: You can only install that one with apt.12:19
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defraggerahh i see12:21
defraggerthanks :)12:21
ShapeshifterMh. A pity, python is kinda slow to launch. Probably because it needs to read from emmc.12:21
Khertan_atWorkoups ... wrong window12:22
Khertan_atWorkShapeshifter: hum ... python isn't really slow to start12:23
Khertan_atWorkjust tips and trick to know ... avoid large import at startup12:23
Khertan_atWorkdo it after first ui displayed in idle12:24
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ShapeshifterKhertan_atWork: Needs almost a second to display "here". It's for a desktop command execution widget. I'm not complaining, the problem is obvious, but I need those imports. It's just not snappy ;)12:30
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Shapeshifterit needs about 0.1s to start python and 0.7 to import that stuff.12:31
defraggerdoes anybody knows how to use ^ in the maemo console?12:33
BCMMdefragger: blue shifty thing, ctrl12:33
BCMMdefragger: well, that's how you do it on the n90012:33
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BCMMdefragger: i presume you mean in xterm?12:34
defraggerBCMM: yes12:34
BCMMyeah, it's the blue shifty thing, followed by ctrl (i.e. Sym)12:34
BCMMthen it's 3rd from top, 3rd from left12:34
MobsanHey, have there been an update to ovi store for N900? I can't see any new things there... It should have been updated the 27. may?12:34
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BCMMand can somebody remind me of what teh blue shifty thing is called?12:34
BCMMthat's the one, thanks12:35
Shapeshifteronly that it's actually alt-gr12:35
haltdefI was close12:35
Shapeshifterwell fn is practically correct.12:35
defraggerBCMM: it works, thanks :)12:35
BCMMis it actually an alt-gr?12:35
Shapeshifternot technically, as fn on notebooks is usually hardwired by the manufacturer to give you more "hardware keys". on the n900, the blue arrow "fn" key is Alt-Gr12:36
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defraggeris there a way to use alt in xterm on the n900?12:36
Shapeshifteras in, alt-gr on your normal keyboard. they just painted a blue arrow on it. it doesn't give you more keys.12:36
Sceltdefragger: esc12:36
BCMMShapeshifter: yeah, i know it isn't the same as a laptop fn, but fn is what i've heard people call it before12:36
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BCMMi was in the process of ssh'ing to a machine with xev installed12:37
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BCMMthat's weird, xev won't register any keystrokes12:39
BCMMit sees clicks though12:39
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BCMMin fact in general remote X apps don't seem to see keystrokes12:40
BCMMdoes the keyboard send proper X keystrokes, or does it do something "clever" to make the prediction and so on work?12:41
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Stskeepsthere's a window flag you should set12:42
BCMMStskeeps: ?12:42
BCMMoh, windows that want to use the keyboard in the normal fashion need to say so?12:43
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mikki-kunhm, does anybody experience as well problems in some mails not being able to read äöü (account is from gmail - there the chars are displayed correctly)12:59
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ghostcubehmmm vert sms is cool app :)13:00
SwedeMikeghostcube: hm, I just checked, the newest windows skype client is 4.2 (on, you talked about 4.6 when it came to video calling?13:00
ghostcubei have 5.0 beta here on windows13:00
ghostcubemust check moment pls13:00
ghostcubesorry 4.2.x sorry my fault13:01
kakashi_mikki-kun, its mostly the problem with the fonts, IMO install the fonts13:02
kakashi_that should do the trick13:02
mikki-kunkakashi_: the problem is, it is only in specific mails, not all13:02
mikki-kuni noticed that in mails from boards where i register i have this problem...13:03
SwedeMikeghostcube: so 4.2 should be enough?13:04
mikki-kunhm, i forgot to mention the special chars are displayed with a ?13:05
ghostcubethe problem is that linux and mac clients arent able to recieve video from N90013:05
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ghostcubeyou can enable the vid but none of them is able to see it13:05
SwedeMikeghostcube: same thing with older windows clients, I noticed.13:05
ghostcube3.x cant handle it13:05
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mikki-kunghostcube: the problem was discussed in the thread... it is due to a change in the encoding of the video which is now h264 and not anymore vp713:06
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ghostcubemikki-kun: i read the post but why?13:07
ghostcubeso you take off all users with linux and mac from the vid calls?13:07
ghostcubethis cant be an solution13:07
kakashi_mikki-kun, what is your locale settings?13:07
SwedeMikeghostcube: well, you just don't enable it for them, you don't take it off :P13:08
mikki-kunas far as i understood it h264 can be forwarded to the gpu, but vp6 is solely handled by the cpu13:08
ghostcubeSwedeMike: yeah but results in the same for now13:08
SwedeMikeconsidering how hot my linux machine gets when I run skype video, I'd imagine it'd be hard for the n900 to do that at all.13:08
mikki-kunkakashi_: device language is englisch (USA) and region is germany13:08
ghostcubeSwedeMike: gets hot?13:08
SwedeMikeit's using like half the performance of one core of my P8600 CPU in my thinkpad x20013:08
mikki-kunmehhh, i mean english13:09
ghostcubemy e8400 doesnt take care if i do a normal vid call13:09
ghostcubeonly in high res13:09
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mikki-kunhu? where can i "set" that?13:09
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mikki-kuni have everything except laid out for german... my keyboard is german-qwertz and i can write äöüß...13:10
kakashi_fire the terminal and set it13:10
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kakashi_I suspect the problem is mostly with the locale settings13:10
mikki-kunkakashi_: wanna gimme the command for setting utf8?13:11
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mikki-kuni hadn't this issue until now anywhere except on my n90013:11
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kakashi_check it13:12
kakashi_export LC_ALL="xx_YY.UTF-8"13:13
kakashi_check it again13:13
kakashi_also, xx = your preferred language and YY = region13:13
Khertan_atWorkShapeshifter: yep ... but you didn't need this lib at the start ... right ?13:14
kakashi_eg. export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8"13:14
mikki-kunkakashi_: via sudo?13:14
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mikki-kundoes it remember it for every boot?13:14
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kakashi_not sure :)13:15
ShapeshifterKhertan_atWork: I'd need it somwhere in the execution process, and always, so it doesn't matter where I import it. Desktop command execution widget waits for the script to exit anyway so it doesn't matter.13:15
ShapeshifterKhertan_atWork: I'd love to just write a widget in python and Qt but the adaptor for homescreen widgets is not yet available to the pyside bindings13:15
Shapeshifter(or pyqt for that matter)13:16
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Khertan_atWorkShapeshifter: hum ... yep ... for desktop execution widget as it wait the script end ...13:16
Khertan_atWorkmaybe just launch a process which do the job and read the result in the script13:17
Khertan_atWorkin a file for example13:17
ShapeshifterKhertan_atWork: meh doesn't matter, really.13:17
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Shapeshifterlooking forward to QMaemo5HomescreenAdaptor though13:18
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tybolltMohammadAG: There?13:19
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Khertan_atWorkhum ... i cannot scroll my QScrollArea ... strange13:21
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kakashi_mikki-kun, did it help?13:22
TomaszDzaheerm, ping13:23
mikki-kunkakashi_: hm, sadly no... and i am looking what could be just wrong13:23
mikki-kunif i look at the mail online it displays it correctly13:23
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mikki-kuni even asked a friend to send me a mail full of äöüß and every single one of them displayed correctly13:24
mikki-kunon the same account13:24
mikki-kunso i really don't know any further13:24
kakashi_mikki-kun, then there is a possibility that the mail has different fonts which is not in Maemo and it renders it wrongly13:25
ShapeshifterKhertan_atWork: btw, do you have written a small py2deb->pypackager migration guide, yet?13:25
mikki-kunhm... gotta ask then which font the mailer uses...13:25
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mikki-kunmaybe that'll help then13:28
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Khertan_atWorkShapeshifter: not yet :)13:31
Khertan_atWorkShapeshifter: yep i should take the time to write it !13:31
ShapeshifterKhertan_atWork: well py2deb still works so I'm still using it ;)13:31
Khertan_atWorkit s mainly just to change the import py2deb by pypackager13:32
Khertan_atWorkand some field that change13:32
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ShapeshifterKhertan_atWork: what fields did change?13:32
Khertan_atWorkhum ... the version number which is a property now ...13:33
Khertan_atWorkand some minor things like that13:33
mikki-kunkakashi_: but thanks for the idea with the fonts :)13:33
kakashi_np :)13:33
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Khertan_atWorkShapeshifter: you can look directly in the source of pypackager as it s self packaged :)13:35
Khertan_atWorkShapeshifter: take a look at  the end13:36
ShapeshifterKhertan_atWork: thanks13:36
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Khertan_atWorkShapeshifter: the main differences between pypackager and py2deb is that py2deb build only source package13:39
Khertan_atWorkwhile pypackager can build source, and binary13:40
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ShapeshifterKhertan_atWork: nice, that is useful for testing13:41
TomaszDfrals, ping13:43
fralsTomaszD: pong13:43
Khertan_atWorkShapeshifter: this was the main purpose :)13:44
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MohammadAGOh, google maps works by default now13:49
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tybolltMohammadAG: microb?13:50
tybolltwhich is interesting13:50
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tybolltI haven't fully grasped the nokia google [love hate] story yet - are they cool or are they fighting? It'd seem from the MeeGO shitz they are not enemies just yet anyway13:51
tybolltalthough obviously competitiors13:51
MohammadAGtybollt, yeah, it uses the location from the GPS automatically now13:52
MohammadAGI guess geolocation is built in13:52
MohammadAGand with fine accuracy it pointed my exact location13:53
MohammadAGdirections too13:54
MohammadAGtechnically an espeak plugin could be made13:54
viszalmost my exact location13:54
viszi'm indoors though13:55
tybolltvisz: trioangulation13:55
viszoh, now it corrected it13:55
viszgps got a lock13:55
MohammadAGit uses coarse accuracy13:55
MohammadAGthen fine accuracy13:56
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Shapeshifterwhen I go there I just get a search field and can look for locations. there's no automatic or manual GPS location or anything13:57
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MohammadAGwhich FW?13:57
MohammadAGit asks if you want to share location13:57
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: well newest14:00
Shapeshifterit didn't. :|14:00
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pupniki still dont understand why we cannot manually assist gps, as the celltower info does14:00
pupnikwhen i fire up gps i often know my location exactly14:00
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ShapeshifterMohammadAG: doesn't happen here.14:01
MohammadAGShapeshifter, even google doesn't want to know where you live14:02
MohammadAGlol why me14:02
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SpeedEvilWould it make sense to require debug symbols for stuff in extras-testing?14:04
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ghostcubehi Shapeshifter :D14:07
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Shapeshifterghostcube: Lo14:07
crashanddieMohammadAG: another one to make your family go nuts:
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tybolltcrashanddie: dude, they can't become what they already are. :P14:15
crashanddieIf you have a therapist, I wonder how they'd react if you were to ask them, every time you saw them: "So, how long until you issue the certificate stating that I'm normal?"14:16
SpeedEvilYou need to check the certificate chain back to the root authority.14:16
tybolltcrashanddie: :D14:17
crashanddieOr maybe make an appointment for every wednesday, for the next 10 years14:17
tybolltSpeedEvil: sop essentially - I need to hve my therapist root me?14:17
crashanddieAnd try to negotiate getting a meal during your meetings, argue other therapists can arrange for that.14:17
SpeedEvilOnly if you're into that.14:18
tybolltSpeedEvil: =D14:18
SpeedEvilI think that's usually extra.14:18
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crashanddieTherapists really just repeat the last two words you said and turn it into a question.14:19
crashanddieReally, you should mess with them and ask, after answering a question: "So, how'd I score?"14:19
Treibholzcrashanddie: a question?14:19
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SpeedEvilcrashanddie: how does that make you feel?14:19
crashanddieTreibholz: Riiight, gotcha, <wink>14:19
Treibholzyes, it's just like eliza.14:20
crashanddieTreibholz: Do you think that my aggressive and libidinal wishes are fused and that I continue to lack a sense of object constancy, or is this all the result of my attempts to master the traumatic experiences involving orality during my pre-oedipal years?14:20
* crashanddie goes to take his pills for the afternoon14:21
TreibholzI once had a "talking therapist" Dr. Creative or something, it was part of my "SoundBlaster 2.0"14:21
tybolltcrashanddie: brother - share!14:21
crashanddieI think he was recycled into the Dr. Phil robot.14:21
Treibholzcrashanddie: I think it's because you want to sleep with your mother.14:21
crashanddieTreibholz: I said pre-oedipal, you dophus14:22
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Treibholzcrashanddie: :-)14:22
sobczykhow to get keyboard state from python?14:23
sobczykie is it "open" or not14:23
crashanddieone thing that would really freak a therapist out is if you allowed this book to drop out of your jacket in the middle of a sentence:
crashanddie"Oh no, just some light reading for the bus"14:24
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crashanddieanyway, 'later14:25
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ghostcubeis it planned to get vert sms into the normal sms app?14:25
SpeedEvilpre-oedipal - you don't want to sleep with her yet?14:26
SpeedEvilghostcube: You could try opening a bug against the sms app for an enhancement - or brainstorm.14:26
ghostcubehmmm would be cool if it switches to vertical on phone movement :)14:27
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ghostcubeSpeedEvil: you tested the vert sms application?14:27
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SpeedEvilghostcube: No. I assume it does what it says on the tin.14:30
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ghostcube:) yeah works fine has an own virtual keyboard14:30
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SpeedEvilI use SMS about 10* SMS than voice calls.14:30
SpeedEvilBut to put that into context - I have made one phone call.14:30
SpeedEvilIn 6 months.14:30
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Khertan_atWork_it s funny ... each time i connect my n900 to my pc at work via usb .... google chrome crash on windows14:35
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Khertan_atWork_no ... this smell like a usb device scan14:35
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SpeedEvilDoes chrome notmally do anything when you plug in mass storage devices?14:36
Khertan_atWork_SpeedEvil: indeed ... i think they are scanning device14:36
Khertan_atWork_SpeedEvil: nothing visible14:36
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SwedeMikeoki, so I just made a video call with a windows skype 4.2, so that seems to work ok14:37
tybolltSwedeMike: using frontcam yeah?14:37
SpeedEvilfrontcam is _lots_ better than it was14:37
SwedeMiketybollt: the one towards me when I'm looking at the display, yes.14:37
tybolltSwedeMike: is the picture quality good on the front cam yet? Pre 1.2 it was ... "gröt" :)14:37
SpeedEvilWhich is nice14:37
SwedeMiketybollt: yes, it was quite ok.14:38
tybollt'quite' I don't like the sound of that :)14:38
tybolltSpeedEvil: goodie14:38
petteriin mirror app the front camera is still quite bad14:38
SwedeMiketybollt: you have to try it yourself, I don't know your reference to what "good" is.14:38
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SwedeMikeI only did it for two minutes and at the office, so it's hard to say too much, and the display is quite small so hard to tell.14:39
SwedeMikeI'd say it's like a cheap webcam14:39
SwedeMikeso definitely not as good as my 100 EUR logitech 9000 webcam I have at home :P14:39
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Treibholzit's better than the webcam in my Netbook!14:40
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jogatybollt: I think the picture is a lot better now, even though I've only seen it through 'mirror' prog which supposedly renders it like crap (very low-contrast, grayish)14:40
jogabut less grainy for sure14:40
SpeedEvilThe chip is not a _terrible_ quality - it has a declared decentish spec14:41
SpeedEvilnot a great spec - but quite reasonable14:41
tristanhmm. so is everyone here on a n900 then14:41
SpeedEvilNot everyone.14:41
SpeedEvilThere are oddballs.14:41
* SpeedEvil looks at luke-jr.14:41
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Khertan_atWork_most ... but some n900 owner still use older device14:41
SpeedEvilWell - that and I'm not actually on my n900 ATM14:41
tristanwhast the verdict14:42
tristanill be picking one up in the new few days hopefully :D once my sim arrives.14:42
SpeedEvilMy major regret after 6 months is that they have only included one stylus.14:42
fralstybollt: frontcam is good enough for skypecalls but not great :P14:42
Khertan_atWork_depends of your use14:42
Khertan_atWork_but ... clearly the best mobile device :)14:42
SpeedEvilI would strongly recommend getting a pack of screen protectors, and a case.14:42
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SpeedEvilAlso perhaps mobile insurance.14:42
SpeedEvilBut screen protectors are almost mandatory14:43
Khertan_atWork_and i didn't recommand proporta screen protector14:43
fralsscreen protectors, bah i say!14:43
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fralsotoh the summer does tend to show the microscopic scratches i got on my screen when viewed in the correct angle14:43
SpeedEvilI went out to the garden.14:43
SpeedEvilWith my n900 in my pocket14:44
jaskatried a screen protector, failed installing it :) i just keep mine in a bag for my old htc14:44
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SpeedEvilI pu the seccatuers in the wrong pocket14:44
SpeedEvilI bent up and down 200 times.14:44
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SpeedEvilThe screen protector was _destroyed_14:44
SpeedEvilthe screen was just fine.14:44
tybolltSpeedEvil: My sympathy and condolences - Sir.14:44
tybolltwow that's nice :)14:44
jaskayay for shielded magnetic hatch so it doesnt affect the magnetic kbd switch14:44
jaskaerr, latch14:45
SpeedEvilI got
SpeedEvilor similar - I'm not sure it's that seller14:45
SpeedEvilworks for me14:45
fralsneed translations!14:45
fralsgogo etc14:45
SpeedEvilI can translate into 4chan.14:46
SwedeMikeI purchased a screen protector and tried to apply it but failed, so I roll without, and try to make sure I keep the phone safe (screen towards cloth only)14:46
SpeedEvilIt needs practice.14:46
* Khertan_atWork_ is fighting with a strange problem on widget didn't expand in his QScrollArea14:46
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jogaI bought a protector and got 4 of them14:46
jogathe third one succeeded14:46
jaskaplus the zagg protector i failed to apply felt rather weird with stylus14:46
tristanso. is there only one sort of screen protector14:46
jogathere's many14:46
jogait's just a cheap film, nothing fancy14:46
SceltI have these;
* GAN900 doesn't know why Peter was stupid enough to post an expected date for the Ovi Store upgrade14:47
tristani should say, one main one.14:47
jaskathe one i failed to install was 15eur a pop so didnt feel like trying again14:47
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tybolltGAN900: peter who? and yes that was rather silly seeing as it hasn't (right?) updated yet14:47
jogaheh I think I paid like 5 eur or something and got 414:47
GAN900tybollt, Schneider14:48
SpeedEviljaska: yeah - I find the cheap ones are not enormously better than the good ones - which I manage to scrach anyway14:48
GAN900tybollt, head of MeeGo Devices marketing.14:48
SwedeMikeSpeedEvil: I bought that 10pack now, we'll see if I succeed, otherwise I'll donate to a friend who also has an N900 :P14:48
Sceltfrals: I don't want to create a account :\14:49
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SpeedEvilSwedeMike: Firstly, clean the n900 all-over with a moist washed t-shirt.14:49
SpeedEvilthen do the application in a dust free room - a bathroom can be good.14:50
SpeedEvilMinor bubbles will dissapear over the next couple of days14:50
SpeedEvilunless there is a blob of dust behind them14:50
tristani dont mean to open a can of worms14:50
Stskeepsdon't do it in a bathroom where you also have a washing machine14:50
tristanbut if you had to weight up an android device and the tablet with phone features angle the n900 takes14:51
tristanwhatd you say.14:51
jaskayeah, i managed to leave a dot of black stuff behind.. in the middle of the screen14:51
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jaskaand reapplying was impossible :D14:51
SwedeMikeSpeedEvil: my bathroom is definitely not dust free anyway :P14:52
SpeedEvilApply it underwater, that should help then.14:52
Sceltfrals: where's translation for the button "New MMS"?14:52
SpeedEvil(no, not really)14:52
fralsScelt: on device ;)14:53
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fralsie nokia shipped it14:53
Sceltfrals: okaydokay. Delete too? Open file? All those Reply, Forward, Reply (SMS), Copy (Text)?14:53
fralsyeah, everything that isnt in the .pot file :)14:54
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SwedeMikebtw, I ordered one of thse: we'll see how good they are, I mainly needed the earbuds :P14:54
* mece is ota upgrading boss' N900 to pr1.2.14:54
meceI hopeIi don't fuck it up...14:54
marmoutemece: brick it brick it !14:55
Sceltfrals: it could be nice if we could see waht small, medium and large means. in pixels I mean. Selecting small instead of medium just be sure but don't know if small is 120 px and medium 500 px or 240px vs. 320px14:55
fralsyeah i plan to add that at some point ;o14:55
Sceltbetter sooner than later14:56
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jaskathe nokia default earbuds are meant for mutant ears14:56
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jaskaonly way to get them to stick is to ram till the ear channel bleeds :)14:56
Treibholzin-ear headsets are braindead, too.14:57
Treibholzyour own voice just sounds too weird.14:57
Milo-thanks :(14:57
Treibholzbut for music they are ok.14:57
jaskahaving to use my akgs which are much larger than the device itself feels silly :)14:57
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Sceltfrals: where's that 34 msgid "About %s". At least in the menu with Settings, it's translated already14:58
TreibholzMilo-: ?14:58
fralsScelt: its in a new about dialog14:58
fralsScelt: "About fmms"14:58
Sceltfrals: damn, that Copy (Text) isn't trnaslated properly14:59
Milo-Treibholz nothing, joke does not get better if you have to explain it14:59
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Sceltfrals: it says "Kopioi (Text)" when it should be "Kopioi (teksti)"14:59
fralsScelt: right, it might be due to me takign the 'copy' string and then just throwing a (text) at the end :P14:59
Sceltfrals: damn you ;D14:59
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Sceltfrals: what does those polite, rude and havoc mean in practice? Is it the interval to check for n ew MMs or what`?15:01
fralsScelt: 'Connection modes' section :)15:01
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Sceltfrals: thx15:03
kirmafrals: have to ask, after wondering many times: does your surname have two parts without a hyphen? :I15:04
Sceltno, "Leppänen" is toy boy name15:04
fralskirma: yes15:05
Sceltthat's odd15:05
tybolltno it is not15:05
fralsnot in .se ;)15:05
Sceltbut good that the other surname is Finnish15:06
kirmafrals: somewhat surprising way of writing it, without a hyphen, from .fi perspective. :I15:06
Khertan_atWork_Hum ... i ve a small problem with my widget in a QScrollArea ... they have a ridicoulous size ... and didn't expand ... any advice :
fralskirma: well, finns are weird, not much i can do about that ;-)15:07
Sceltweird but cool15:07
meceKhertan_atWork, which bit has the size issue?15:07
kirmawell, at least it tends to be easier to say what names are the family name part. only exceptions I know tend to involve non-finnish prefixes15:08
Sceltfrals: is it mandatory to create an account to translate it?15:08
Khertan_atWork_mece: all the widget contain in the scrollarea15:08
Khertan_atWork_mece: every things look like 1px :)15:09
fralsScelt: no idea how transifex works really, it was suggested on somewhere so i signed up.. you can mail me the .po file to if you prefer that15:09
Khertan_atWork_mece: in the setupMain15:09
Khertan_atWork_mece: in the setupMain()15:09
Sceltfrals: you're so good looking. but swedish men tend to be15:09
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timeless_mbpfrals: i'm working w/ them15:09
timeless_mbpif you're having problems, you can ping me :)15:09
kirmahad classmate with surname "van Gilse van der Pals" but otherwise, they tend to be at worst something like Isohookana-Asunmaa :I15:10
fralstimeless_mbp: :D15:10
timeless_mbpfrals: i have my grubby fingers everywhere :)15:10
dnearyAnyone about?15:10
dnearyGAN900, Ping?15:10
meceKhertan_atWork, lemme take a look..15:10
SceltI think it's pretty ironic that a translation community site has only five translations for the site15:10
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dnearyAny news on the brainstorm follow-up meeting?15:11
dnearyI'm still catching up with PR1.2 and MeeGo 1.0 email15:11
kirmawell, Äikäs-Idänpään-Heikkilä might be the longest I've heard </offtopic>15:11
Khertan_atWork_mece: thx15:11
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Stskeepsdneary: think people are agreeing on a date15:12
Stskeepsand time15:12
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dnearyStskeeps, When's it likely to be?15:12
Stskeepsearly Tuesday or Wednesday morning (1200 UTC or so).15:13
Stskeepsaccording to niels' mail15:13
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Maceranybody know if there is an app that can measure hspda signal quality as a widget?15:14
tybolltkirma: Yxi-kaxi-virtaheppo!15:14
Sceltfrals: can I translate it on the site or do I have to download it and upload again? Can't find a place to upload though :P15:14
kirmayksi-kaksi-virtahepo it'd be :)15:15
timeless_mbpScelt: you can translate on the site15:15
fralsif you register you should be able to just press "add translation" or something15:15
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Sceltcan't find the button15:15
Sceltthat page15:15
fralsright "add translation" then you upload your local file15:16
frals"add a new translation" below the list of translations15:16
Sceltthere's no add translation button15:16
Sceltthere's not15:16
timeless_mbpScelt: are you logged in?15:16
Sceltcame from cache :(15:16
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MohammadAG/usr/sbin/update-sudoers: line 45: /usr/sbin/visudo: No such file or directory15:18
MohammadAGany ideas?15:18
MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/sbin] > ./visudo15:19
MohammadAGbash: ./visudo: No such file or directory15:19
MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/sbin] > ls visudo15:19
marmouteMohammadAG: ll visudo15:19
pupnikwhat are you doing??15:19
marmoutels -l visudo15:19
marmoute(to discover this is a symlink)15:19
MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/sbin] > ls -l visudo15:19
MohammadAG-rwxr-xr-x  1 mohammad mohammad 56848 Apr 17  2009 visudo15:19
marmoute(no it isn't...)15:19
MohammadAGalready checked that15:19
MohammadAGpupnik, reinstalling the SDK, I borked it15:20
marmoutehead visudo ?15:20
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MohammadAGnothing that's human readable15:20
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pupniki am stupid so i put my sdk on a usb-keychain and run it anywhere15:21
Sceltfrals: "Send and receive MMS on your N900." - where does that text come to?15:21
fralsnew about dialog as well15:22
fralsdescription of the application in other words15:22
Scelthow much longer than that can it be?15:22
fralsuh, quite a bit i think15:22
Sceltnot 20 letters?15:22
SpeedEvilIs 'picture messages' a better term than MMS?15:23
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: no15:23
* SpeedEvil is unsure how it's usually referred to in documentation15:23
SpeedEvilphone documetnation15:23
Sceltthose used to be in the same time than logos and mono ringtones15:23
ZogG_N900SpeedEvil, depends15:23
timeless_mbppeople are aware of MMS15:23
SpeedEvilI know my last phone called it picture messaging15:23
SpeedEvilI suppose15:23
fralsScelt: 20 letters longer than that is a stretch i think15:23
ZogG_N900does fmms support video?15:23
tybolltSpeedEvil: s/lastphone/freerunner/ ye? :P15:24
fralsyes (:rolleyes:)15:24
Sceltfrals: I make it smaller then15:24
timeless_mbpScelt: do you have an n900?15:24
timeless_mbpfrals: does fMMS run on Mer-x86?15:24
SpeedEviltybollt: no15:24
fralsno clue15:24
ZogG_N900timeless_mbp, are u is u?15:24
Stskeepsdoubt it15:24
SpeedEviltybollt: well - last 'consumer phone.15:24
fralstimeless_mbp: probably wont work unless wappushd is ported to mer15:24
Scelttimeless_mbp: no, I'm a freelancer translator using my old 511015:25
SpeedEvilAlso - I have a neo197315:25
meceKhertan_atWork, err damn, I need to actually get this running to figure it out, and the boss is calling me to a meeting, so I have to get back to you on that.15:25
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* timeless_mbp eyes ZogG15:25
meceKhertan_atWork, but is the problem that it's too small or too big?15:25
timeless_mbpfrals: not trying to send stuff15:25
ZogG_N900Stskeeps, u have jogger(or how is it called), do you?15:26
timeless_mbpjust wondering if you can give Scelt a running app in a vmware15:26
timeless_mbptranslating apps w/o being able to see them is a disaster15:26
MohammadAGreplaced the script15:26
timeless_mbpas nokia has proven time and again15:26
MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /var/cache/apt/archives] > dpkg --configure sudoSetting up sudo (1.6.8p12-4osso22+0m5) ...15:26
MohammadAGUpdating sudoers15:26
MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /var/cache/apt/archives] >15:26
fralstimeless_mbp: assuming the millions of python-deps are there the gui should run, i assume15:26
StskeepsZogG_N900: right15:26
timeless_mbpfrals: i'd suggest you walk Scelt through setting it up15:26
timeless_mbpit'll make your life better15:27
ZogG_N900Stskeeps, is it like tablet or what is the difference?15:27
Scelttimeless_mbp: there's only like 10 rows. not a problem. That was the only question I had to ask. If there were 200 lines I wouldn't have started thuis15:27
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StskeepsZogG_N900: it has to be plugged into wall plug, but yeah15:28
ZogG_N900Stskeeps, from normal AC you mean and not battaries15:29
timeless_mbpScelt: it's a bad return on investment15:29
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timeless_mbpeither frals needs to add localization comments (which he does)15:29
Scelttimeless_mbp: can't win always15:29
StskeepsZogG_N900: right15:30
timeless_mbpor he needs to provide helpful steps for random localizers to setup an env15:30
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Scelttimeless_mbp: it was sarcasm about the 5110. I do have the N900, wouldn't mind hanging here if I didn't. so I've seen most of the lines15:30
ZogG_N900Stskeeps, great. i wanted to buy ipad when i would be rich and put in toilet for internet surfing. now i don't have too15:31
fralswould be nice if transifex had an option to provide context for the strings15:31
timeless_mbpScelt: sorry15:31
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Sceltfrals: // in pot?15:31
ufa_hi, is there a way to disable usb-charging?15:31
timeless_mbpScelt: i'm used to people not using the product they translate15:31
timeless_mbpheck, i think i still have a human visible string that says "XXX how did i get here?"15:31
fralsScelt: yeah probably works, but is it shown when doing an edit of existing strings in transifex webui?15:31
* ZogG_N900 can't see anything he types as there is too much sun outside15:31
Scelttimeless_mbp: no problemos. I bet you have15:32
Sceltfrals: dunno :(15:32
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timeless_mbpfrals: is the project home page?15:32
fralsah, 6 months since my first deb package and i finally got it to do everything in a single command15:32
tybolltfrals: work for you?15:33
fralstimeless_mbp: err, thats the code page at least ;o15:33
fralstybollt: no15:33
Sceltfrals: hazard word you're using about network mode :-D15:33
timeless_mbpfrals: is there a project page?15:33
tybolltfrals: uhuh15:33
timeless_mbp ?15:33
fralstimeless_mbp: not really, i got my blog, my placeholder and the garagesite15:33
fralsyeah, that be the project page i guess15:33
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SwedeMiketybollt: doesn't work for me either.15:35
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tybolltseems idg/m3 etc are fucked :)15:36
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tybolltbet their IIS server went tits up15:37
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fralstimeless_mbp: ty15:39
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timeless_mbpfrals: i should get you to commit my string changes as me ;-)15:40
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timeless_mbp> The domain is for sale.15:43
* timeless_mbp sighs15:43
timeless_mbpi have some code which writes 'EEP!' whenever it gets something it doesn't like15:43
jaskai always read ohloh as ohlol15:43
* timeless_mbp flipped to a screen session and the entire screen was full of EEP!15:43
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Lazy^hello, how i can customize n900 menu.. i mean move icons to different order ?15:44
X-FadeLazy^: Press and hold an icon.15:45
TomaszDLazy^, tap and hold any icon15:45
ufahi, is there a way to disable usb-charging? It sucks my netbook battery while using it as a modem15:45
SpeedEvilnot cleanu15:46
SpeedEvilufa: 'stop bme' in a root shell will work15:46
SpeedEvilThe phone will not charge with bme stopped though15:46
Sceltfrals: added15:46
SpeedEvil'start bme' after to restart it15:46
fralsScelt: thanks :)15:46
SpeedEvilyou could add 'sudo stop bme' in a 'queen beecon' widget15:46
SpeedEvil(same with start)15:46
Sceltfrals: np15:47
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ufaSpeedEvil, but it wont kill my connection?15:48
tybolltqueen bacon widget?15:49
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SpeedEviltybollt: A capital idea!15:54
SpeedEvilufa: bme only manages the battery15:54
SpeedEvilufa: killing it stops it charging15:54
Khertan_atWorkmece: sorry ... boss call me too for a meeting15:54
SpeedEvilufa: Also - stops it reporting battery state - so you will run out of battery quite fast.15:54
SpeedEvilufa: you can easily run down the battery in a little more than a couple of hours use as a modem15:54
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GAN900hey, look at that15:55
ufaSpeedEvil I know, thx for the info15:55
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Khertan_atWorkmece: a setWidgetResizable on the QScrollArea fix the problem !15:55
GAN900PR1.2 lost my data connection again15:55
SpeedEvilstops reporting battery state - so you won't know when you are running out15:55
ufaactually, my n900 is on its way to nokia repair center :(15:55
GAN900A bug, a bug! That's a bug!15:55
* SpeedEvil passes GAN900 a template.15:55
ufausb pulled out15:55
Khertan_atWorkGAN900: use a flyspray !15:55
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SpeedEvilufa: That is an alternative way of saving laptop battery.15:56
SpeedEvilufa: Also - in principle, you can bluetooth tether too.15:56
ufaSpeedEvil Can I make it in a native way? Or an app is needed?15:57
GAN900SpeedEvil, lol, that makes me want to take printed bugzilla template forms to a conference sometime.15:57
SpeedEvilYou can install 'rootsh' - and then open an xterm, and type 'stop bme'15:57
SpeedEvilufa: queen beecon is a general purpose widget that runs arbitrary commands.15:58
SpeedEvilarbitrary user-specified commands that is.15:58
SpeedEvilOtherwise it'd be silly.15:58
ufaSpeedEvil I mean, on bluetooth tether15:58
SpeedEvilI don't know, I've not tried15:58
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timeless_mbpyou can save a lot of power by taking out the battery :)15:58
ufaok, thx anyway15:58
tybolltpairing the N900 to Windows7 didn't work for me15:59
tybolltit wouldn't find/install the modem15:59
tybolltthen looking in the repo's there were pkgs about it16:00
timeless_mbptybollt: so..16:00
tybolltabout bt tether, not sure if it fixes that16:00
timeless_mbpnokia has issues providing useful drivers16:00
timeless_mbpbut you can install enough stuff so that the n900 mostly works w/ wVista or w716:01
timeless_mbpeven though it at least in wVista constantly whines16:01
tybollttimeless_mbp: Not placing blame - just saying "didn't work for me"16:01
timeless_mbptybollt: which didn't work?16:01
* Khertan_atWork 's n900 use his Win7 internet connection via usb16:01
tybolltfact is - right now  I haz cookie - so I don't care who is guilty of what ;-P16:01
Surfamy experiences on n900 and win7 in general are positive.. seems to work for me like a charm16:01
timeless_mbpi'm saying that my actually n900 (the real one) is  semi paired to a wVista machine16:01
timeless_mbpeach time it comes in range, windows whines about not having good drivers for it16:02
timeless_mbpbut it still works for bluetooth file transfer, and pc suite syncing16:02
tybollttimeless_mbp: can you - however - just do a regular "*#90#" from it?16:02
tybolltw/out pc suite16:02
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GAN900andre__, ping?16:04
timeless_mbpi don't think that n900 has upgraded to 1.2 yet16:04
* timeless_mbp doesn't know what *#90# is16:04
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GAN900andre__, ping timeout. If I file a dupe, I'm blaming your inability to respond within 3 minutes to an IRC ping on a holiday!16:07
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GAN900Whichever UI designer (manager?) put together the new vkb should be shot.16:09
GAN900Talk about usability regressions. . . .16:09
Khertan_atWorkGAN900: oh you still believe there is a designer in the team ? huhu16:09
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GAN900Khertan_atWork, I'm ever the optimist. :P16:10
tybolltpeople in this community ought to pay more respect to GAN16:10
GAN900tybollt, but then my ego would get bigger than it already is.16:10
GAN900and you guys wouldn't fit in the channel. :P16:10
Khertan_atWorkGAN900: i'm prefer to be optimist and think that the designers place was replace by some developpers :)16:10
pupnikvkb is for what?16:13
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MohammadAG/var/lib/dpkg/info/shared-mime-info.postinst: line 10: /usr/bin/update-mime-database: No such file or directory16:14
X-FadeMohammadAG: Makes it nice and fast ;)16:14
fralsGAN900: thanks for the mentions in mwkn :)16:16
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andre__GAN900: Error: not a valid argument. holiday only in US today :-P16:16
MohammadAGX-Fade, :|16:16
X-FadeMohammadAG: I've seen that before in build logs btw.16:17
hrwandre__: in UK too16:17
MohammadAGX-Fade, any ideas what the problem was?16:17
MohammadAGthis is on the SDK btw16:17
timeless_mbpGAN900: err, i thought 1.2 had qt4.616:17
tybollt<infobot> /kick tybollt "Sorry we need MOAR room for GAN!"16:17
X-FadeMohammadAG: It is not fatal, is it?16:17
SwedeMikeso when are all the new cool apps based on 1.2 going to come out? I thought there was a huge backpressure? :P16:17
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MohammadAGX-Fade, not at all :)
GAN900timeless_mbp, it does.16:19
GAN900andre__, know of a bug for losing the data connection after a few days of migrating back and forth between data and wifi?16:19
timeless_mbp> Fortunately, though, if the next update doesn't bring as many substantial platform-level changes (Qt 4.6, optification of bundled libraries, etc)16:19
timeless_mbpGAN900: reading that requires way too much brainpower16:20
* MohammadAG nukes his /dev/sda7 (scratchbox) partition16:20
GAN900timeless_mbp, ah, sorry16:20
GAN900timeless_mbp, was my "vent the spleen" issue. :P16:20
timeless_mbpcan you make it easier on my taxed mind?16:20
tybolltGAN900: This is not the "losing data connection when connected to wifi" one, right?16:20
andre__GAN900, not by heart. there's a few similar ones though16:21
GAN900What with Twitter ensuring I had to do all of the story collection myself and Jaffa being on vacation.16:21
GAN900andre__, this morning was the second time ICD has lost my data connection.16:21
GAN900i.e., on battery all night on wifi at home16:22
hrwwhat is a password for 'user' user?16:22
GAN900leave the house and see it hasn't migrated16:22
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GAN900Open the connection selection dialog and see no data connection16:22
jaskahrw: doesnt seem to have one16:23
ZogGhave you seen kde's plasma on n900?16:23
tybolltZogG: ?16:23
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tybolltZogG: explain?16:23
timeless_mbpGAN900: oh16:23
timeless_mbpmy network definitely gets stuck leaving my Apt or Nokia16:24
timeless_mbpand has been for months16:24
timeless_mbpi've sorta poked fun at it w/ sp3000 but otherwise ignored it16:24
tybolltI have lots of issues w/ that16:24
timeless_mbpbut i can open networks and eventually pick a sane network16:24
ZogGtybollt i'll show you16:24
tybolltmost irritating one being a sudden drop of connectvity when being on wifi for a prolonged time16:24
tybollttimeless_mbp: same here16:24
hrwuf.. mumble via ssh with x forwarding16:25
tybolltno flash here :S16:25
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viszkinda sluggish16:26
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tybolltZogG: what UI is this?16:28
tybolltZogG: how'd you go about installing it?16:28
ZogGtybollt so how does it look like?16:28
tybolltcool =)16:28
tybolltI want to try it :)16:29
ZogGtybollt it's KDE plasma16:29
ZogGi don't know how to get it =(16:29
sp3000for whatever reason getting stuck on a network that's no longer nearby doesn't really happen to me16:29
sp3000maybe I know more friendly networks ;)16:29
MohammadAGthis guy seriously annoys me
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ZogGtybollt as wel there is post and video with KDE plasma desktop widgets on n900 that looks good16:30
ZogGMohammadAG bomb him16:31
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ZogGtybollt, MohammadAG
ZogGMohammadAG, have you seen video i sent before?16:31
tybolltMohammadAG: come now, if you can deal w/ trolls here (hello!) then why can't you deal w/ a troll on TMO? :)16:31
MohammadAGtybollt, cause other trolls back him up there16:32
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MohammadAGon #maemo otoh, it's free-for-all16:32
tybolltMohammadAG: ouch16:32
ZogGMohammadAG check the videoooooo16:32
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ZogGand get me the wait to install it16:33
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tybolltZogG: "Watch the planet for a blog from Marijn on how to get plasma running on the N900!"16:35
[XeN]what is plasma?16:36
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* Khertan_atWork see plasma on his netbook 1.6Ghz atom with 1Go of ram ... kinda slow ... 16:36
* Khertan_atWork cannot imagine it running on an n900 smoothly16:36
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tybolltplasma is bloat for sure16:37
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tybollt(I'm still using KDE3 :)16:37
Khertan_atWork[XeN]: a couch on a other couch based on a framework that is base on a framework which load an other framework to display widget16:37
ZogGtybollt i don't like KDe but it looks nice on phone16:38
Khertan_atWorka tentative to do a lightweight desktop16:38
ZogG[XeN] it's WM for KDE4 afaik16:38
ZogGtybollt anyway i found only post how to port plasma widgets16:39
Khertan_atWorkZogG: your mean on a 160x160 phone ... when you cannot see the details with a zoom out of 1000% ? :)16:39
ZogGKhertan_atWork plasma MOBILE16:39
ZogGwhere MOBIE is the key word16:39
Khertan_atWorkZogG: yep of course just kidding16:39
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Khertan_atWorkZogG: take a look a qt ... i was always thought that is too heavy for mobile use ... but the result is here16:40
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Khertan_atWorkZogG: my own source code editor with same feature is faster in qt than in gtk16:40
ZogGKhertan_atWork QT was never heavy, the problem that on desktop almost all QT is KDE, that is heavy16:40
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ShapeshifterIs delayed? As in, my package build -2 is already in extras-devel while the package view still shows -116:41
woglindehi pupnik16:41
Khertan_atWorkShapeshifter: just a few ... but many bugs still here16:41
Khertan_atWorkwait a bit and ping  x f a d e :)16:42
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X-FadeNo, just wait half an hour  ;)16:42
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Khertan_atWorkX-Fade: :)16:42
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Khertan_atWorkX-Fade: i was trying to not disturbing you by using space in your nick :)16:43
X-FadeSeparate monitor for all chat windows, so reading along anyway.16:43
Khertan_atWorksame here :)16:43
pupnikin case you missed it - mp3 playback using 7-8 percent cpu at 250mhz :  alias mprlo='pasuspender -- mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -quiet -softvol'16:44
* Shapeshifter might promote his package to testing today.16:44
pupnikonly use with headphones - can damage speakers16:44
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MohammadAGShapeshifter, which one16:45
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Khertan_atWorkpupnik: ?16:45
ZogGX-Fade is AI16:45
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ShapeshifterMohammadAG: alarmed16:45
Shapeshifterthough I first need to read the wiki and QA stuff16:46
MohammadAGShapeshifter, I have a suggestion16:46
MohammadAGShapeshifter, fmtx_client -p1; sudo fm-boost; while true; do mplayer /usr/share/sounds/ui-clock_alarm_default.aac; sleep 5; done, you figure out what it does :)16:46
pupnikKhertan_atWork: can you rephrase that?16:46
MohammadAGoh and change the 516:46
Khertan_atWorkpupnik: ??16:46
pupnikt lets me play my lectures for many hours with low battery drain16:47
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: you mean it should enable fm and play a ringing sound? As in, people leave their radio on all night just for this?16:47
Khertan_atWorkmp3 playback using 7-8 percent cpu at 250mhz :  alias mprlo='pasuspender -- mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -quiet -softvol' <<< why does it can damage your speaker ... i didn't understand what it does16:47
pupnikbecause pulseaudio is bypassed, along with the speaker protection equalizer16:47
Khertan_atWorkah ... oki :) thx16:48
ZogGtybollt, i would try to contact the guy later16:48
TomaszDzaheerm, ping....16:48
MohammadAGShapeshifter, actually, there are alarm clocks with FM16:48
MohammadAGwhen the alarm rings it switches on the radio16:49
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: how does that work.16:49
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ShapeshifterMohammadAG: I mean, how does the clock know that it was your signal16:49
Shapeshifterand not just radio from outside16:49
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: I only know those normal ones where you just set the time and it turns on the radio. but that's kinda redundant16:50
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MohammadAGShapeshifter, it doesn't, you set both alarms before you go to bed :)16:56
MohammadAGalthough a big 7.1 Bass might be better16:56
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DrGrovGood day all17:08
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Ikarushrm, custom kernel booting on the Milestone, wonder if we can pull off running Maemo on it :P17:09
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timeless_mbpsp3000: any idea why i'm being accused of spending time for DB_* in that box?17:09
sp3000I... don't know what that is17:09
* timeless_mbp guesses it's part of how the while loop is being handled17:10
timeless_mbpit's NYTime's profiler17:10
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timeless_mbpof genxref calling DB_File17:10
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DrGrovWill there be some transparency effects on the N900?17:11
sp3000ah right17:11
sp3000yeah it looks a bit curious I guess17:11
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timeless_mbpi'm guessing it's just because it can't quite blame a line backwards17:12
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timeless_mbpso it uses the last available line17:12
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sp3000ah, hm, it only blames the while for three17:13
timeless_mbpthere are only 3 files being merged17:13
timeless_mbpdbm, nsprpub, security17:14
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timeless_mbpbasically the while is being blamed for entry criteria17:15
timeless_mbpand the last line in the block is being blamed for looping17:15
timeless_mbpi'm using an out of date version of nytprof because i messed up trying to do a cpan-user install17:16
smoku<EG> another game ported :D17:19
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pupnikwhatmwhat smoku ?17:23
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MohammadAGCan someone PLEASE help me with this?
MohammadAGScratchbox is a pita...17:27
E0xis asking for getent17:27
E0xwtf is that ?17:27
MohammadAGsomething that should probably be there..17:28
E0xusermod too17:28
E0xmaybe you are missing coreutils17:28
timeless_mbp-rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless timeless 14635008 May 31 16:06 xref17:28
timeless_mbp-rw-r--r--   1 timeless timeless 19927040 May 31 04:25 xref17:28
* timeless_mbp sighs17:28
E0xusermod is in passwd packages17:29
E0x( at debian )17:29
timeless_mbpsp3000: so...17:29
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E0xgetent is part of libc617:30
timeless_mbpit seems like i'm losing some records17:31
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MohammadAGwohoo, There was an error creating the child process for this terminal17:31
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smokupupnik: Globulation 2 :)17:32
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pupnikoo i heard that is a good one17:33
pupniki am very happy with the work you guys did for n900 games17:34
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pupnikway better than the 770 situation17:34
smokuN900 can handle moar17:36
tybolltyou folks using 'autodisconnect' app?17:36
mintuxis it possible to define profile for browser?  i set some settings for browser in about:config but when i close ir and open agin my setting's great if it can suuport profile17:36
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DocScrutinizer~seen javispedro17:38
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 13h 38m 54s ago, saying: 'oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port !'.17:38
VladimiroffI'm developing qt project with QJson and I want to port it to Maemo 5(I'm using QtSimulator...still waiting for my n900). There is qjson package for maemo, but how should I point it in .pro file?17:39
Vladimiroffit's obvious I can't use my /usr/include/qjson path17:39
mintuxor introduce e browser that it support socks17:39
pupnikwe have more people doing good work now too smoku17:40
timeless_mbpmintux: kinda17:41
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timeless_mbpthe browser engine can be asked to do things17:42
timeless_mbpbut the browser ui specifically asks it to do stupid things per requirements17:42
timeless_mbpthat includes screwing with your socks pref17:42
timeless_mbpif you get your own browser ui and tell it to talk to the browser daemon and specify your own profile17:42
timeless_mbpthe browser daemon won't do anything screwy17:42
mintuxdoes microb support profile? like firefox17:43
timeless_mbpbut again17:43
timeless_mbpthe browser UI is what's asking the daemon to do stupid things17:43
mintuxkinda package does not found17:43
timeless_mbpcould you try *reading* what i wrote?17:43
pupnikdo you surf with javascript disabled timeless_mbp ?17:43
timeless_mbppupnik: not usually17:43
timeless_mbpnokia-maps and the tutorial are both browser clients17:44
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timeless_mbpeach has its own profile17:44
timeless_mbpw/ its own settings17:44
timeless_mbpplease note that microb is the *engine*, it is not the ui17:44
woglindeovi map on n900 is a brwoser-ui?17:44
woglindeoh my god17:44
pupnikwould be kinda neat to bind a key combo to activate javascript on a page17:44
mintuxwhat is the command of web browser i don't find microb and firefox17:44
timeless_mbpwoglinde: the problems are actually in the way they wrote their browser plugin17:44
timeless_mbpmintux: PAY ATTENTION17:44
timeless_mbpPAY ATTENTION17:44
timeless_mbpPAY ATTENTION17:45
timeless_mbpmicrob is an *engine*17:45
timeless_mbpit is *not* a ui17:45
tybollttimeless_mbp: btw, how'd you fancy <- actually takes you one page back and not into a history menu?17:45
timeless_mbpthere are 3 ui's in the n90017:45
pupnik/usr/bin/browser is running here17:45
timeless_mbp tablet-browser, nokia-maps-ui, tutorial17:45
timeless_mbpnone of them *are* microb17:45
timeless_mbpthey are all microb *clients*17:45
timeless_mbpeach of them has their own profile17:45
timeless_mbpbut *none* of them give you a ui to specify your own profile17:45
lbttybollt: it does17:45
timeless_mbpmintux: IS THAT CLEAR?17:46
tybolltlbt: How do you _like_ it17:46
lbtmmmmm :D17:46
timeless_mbptybollt: actually, back goes back is annoying17:46
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tybollttimeless_mbp: nooooo!17:46
timeless_mbpbecause out of the box we generally aren't cache friendly17:46
timeless_mbpwhich means i tend to lose data and yell17:46
timeless_mbpback is "you didn't really want to do that"17:46
timeless_mbpis safer17:46
tybolltthat's something that could improve17:46
timeless_mbpand safe is good17:46
woglindetimeless its a plugin for microb?17:46
woglindehow braindead is this17:47
tybollttimeless_mbp: I profoundly do not agree17:47
timeless_mbpwoglinde: maps is a ui that's a client to the browser daemon17:47
timeless_mbpwhich also provides a plugin17:47
timeless_mbpwhich it then uses to do all of its work17:47
timeless_mbpwell, almost all of its work17:47
timeless_mbpbut hey, cheer up17:47
pupniki prefer the back button yielding overview17:47
mintuxi dont find tablet-browser and kinda package17:47
timeless_mbpwe're hoping to do that for other apps for harmattan! :)17:47
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timeless_mbpactually, i messed up the count17:47
woglindeoh no17:48
timeless_mbpthere's a 4th microb client in the n90017:48
mintuxmidori and chroume doesn't support network proxy17:48
timeless_mbpwhich is the conversations app17:48
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timeless_mbpmintux: install Fennec17:48
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timeless_mbpmintux: but please, PAY ATTENTION17:48
timeless_mbpand PLEASE ANSWER ME17:48
timeless_mbpbecause you still haven't indicated if you UNDERSTOOD17:48
timeless_mbpand I directed a question to YOU17:48
timeless_mbpbecause you were repeatedly asking stupid questions and ignoring my answers17:48
timeless_mbpwhich is incredibly rude17:49
timeless_mbpnow go back and read, and come back to me with answers17:49
* tybollt hides under a table... 17:49
hajhey... was wondering if anyone have been playing with ? I'm trying to use it but it only plays like the first second of audiofiles.. :/17:49
mintuxin pidgin i have two lines of chat in n90017:49
MohammadAGffs! My PC doesn't detect the ethernet cable anymore17:49
tybolltMohammadAG: ugh?17:49
MohammadAGon the BIOS level17:49
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: try changing the cable :)17:50
tybolltMohammadAG: do you get a linkled?17:50
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MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, it works on another device17:50
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tybolltis that 1000 or 100?17:50
MohammadAGtybollt, neither on the router or the PC17:50
MohammadAGcable works on the ps317:50
MohammadAGloaded failsafe bios settings17:51
MohammadAGand the LAN LEDs are still off17:51
smokuThe following packages have unmet dependencies:17:51
smoku  libsdl-ttf2.0-dev: Depends: libsdl-ttf2.0 (= 2.0.9-1osso0+0m5) but it is not installable17:51
tybolltMohammadAG: same cable used to work fine in same hardware?17:51
MohammadAGtybollt, yes, 5 minutes ago17:51
tybolltMohammadAG: :S17:52
MohammadAGthen i rebooted and couldn't connect to the server17:52
tybolltcheck if you broke a pin on either PHY17:52
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: see… rebooting is bad17:52
tybollthave uptime for YEARS instead - so _everyone_ can root you17:52
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, you play on two different teams eh?17:52
MohammadAGdo ethernet ports even break17:53
tybolltsure they do17:53
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timeless_mbpMohammadAG: my server box is locked in a basement17:53
timeless_mbpi can't get to it17:53
timeless_mbpit doesn't really reboot17:53
MohammadAGwhen they're less than 4 months old?17:53
MohammadAGwell, maybe 617:53
tybolltMohammadAG: pull ccable out of the device17:53
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, i can haz ssh IP?17:53
MohammadAGtybollt, i did that17:53
tybolltMohammadAG: check if any of the pins inside it is bent17:53
tybolltthey should all be neatly aligned17:53
MohammadAGthe device?17:54
* SpeedEvil boggles.17:54
SpeedEvil/home/opt              2064208   1864384     94968  95% /opt17:54
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timeless_mbpMohammadAG: ssh://swift17:54
timeless_mbpthat works from my n900 sometimes :)17:55
SwedeMikeso I did some more tests with skype video calling, it uses 100% cpu all the time, and it draws so much power that according to battery graph, the battery isn't being charged when I have the charger in while at the same time doing the video call17:55
timeless_mbpSwedeMike: sounds about right17:56
SpeedEvilSwedeMike: sounds plausible17:56
SwedeMikealso, the camera is a bit less light sensitive than the built-in one in my thinkpad x20017:56
SpeedEvilSwedeMike: is this connected to the wall charger?17:56
SwedeMikeSpeedEvil: yes, the one that came with the phone.17:56
timeless_mbpwe've had bugs where people complain that Flash drains the batter while charging17:56
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, k, i'm in17:56
timeless_mbpwe looked at the reporters and shook our heads17:56
timeless_mbpit is *not* a software bug when the hardware is such that you can drain more power than it can charge17:56
mintuxtimeless_mbp: undrestood. but i could not install fennec i got  E: Handler silently failed17:56
timeless_mbpmintux: how did you try to install fennec/17:57
Khertan_atWorktimeless_mbp: it is ! ... the software should shutdown the device while charging !17:57
SpeedEviltimeless: But there are quality bug reporters! - look at the last.17:57
povbot`Bug 5337: Ovi Maps gives up finding GPS lock too soon17:57
timeless_mbpthe job of software is to do whatever the user asks17:57
SpeedEvilerr #147 even17:57
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timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: gah, that bug is long17:58
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* timeless_mbp is @c1817:58
MohammadAGtybollt, looks a-ok to me
andre__...and full of flames.17:59
SwedeMikeI have experienced the same thing while doing media playing...17:59
SpeedEvilAnd not much light17:59
MohammadAGdon't you just love it when the N900 cam does wonderful macros17:59
SpeedEvilSwedeMike: media playing should definately charge17:59
SpeedEvilSwedeMike: slowly17:59
mintuxtimeless_mbp apt-get17:59
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SpeedEvilmedia playing from onboard storage.18:00
timeless_mbpmintux: from what repository?18:00
SpeedEvilplaying from 3g - perhaps not18:00
timeless_mbpmintux: in case it wasn't absolutely clear, you're *way* past trying my patience18:01
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timeless_mbpi do not generally yell18:01
mintuxi have devel and testing18:01
hajneed help anyone?18:02
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SwedeMikeSpeedEvil: well, this wasnt with a wall charger but with a battery powered emergency charger18:02
mintuxin app manager i could not found it18:02
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SpeedEvilSwedeMike: Ah.18:03
SpeedEvilSwedeMike: Then you need stronger batteries.18:03
SpeedEvilSwedeMike: Also - perhaps you need to ensure it can provide >500mA - and also has D+ and D- shorted18:03
SwedeMikeSpeedEvil: yeah, I wish they had a stronger model, I think the N900 is really nice to have on airplane, less bulky than the laptop18:03
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mintuxim installing opera18:04
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timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: i'm so glad i don't get comments for that bug18:06
timeless_mbpi wrote a very detailed explanation for how you can't possibly get a fix in 2 minutes18:06
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timeless_mbpand a guy asks me if i'm kidding18:06
SpeedEvilumm - perhaps with this hardware.18:07
SpeedEvilThere are GPSs out there that will do a truly cold fix with no assist in a bit over a minute18:07
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: see comment 6118:07
SpeedEvilYes - and that's wrong. You can get a position using only the ephemirides - which are broadcast on a 30 min cycle, not 12.5 min18:09
SpeedEvil30s cycle18:09
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* SpeedEvil checks he's not making this up.18:10
timeless_mbpoffers a way to listen to more satellites at once18:10
timeless_mbpwhich is something i was going to mention, but wanted to verify before repeating18:11
SpeedEvilI know how these things work.18:11
timeless_mbpbut that requires more hardware18:11
SpeedEvilI have a partially coded software GPS.18:11
timeless_mbpat least, that's my understanding18:11
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SpeedEvilThere exist designs with massively parallel correlators that essentially output data immediately without any required scanning of the frequency ranges.18:11
timeless_mbpbut in general, the average device does suffer from time_to_first_fix18:11
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pronto  woah detail,    did the pr1.2 improve the camera?18:13
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jaskaaw, cute18:13
SpeedEvil - coldstart 50s - 36s18:14
SpeedEvil(this is for open sky conditions, ttff is pretty much inherently much, much slower if your reception is dodgy)18:14
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: btw, i'm glad to see that the reporter by comment 74 recognized that the device works18:14
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SpeedEvilI've occasionally seen it take >20 mins to lock under open-sky.18:15
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SpeedEvilThat was just once though.18:15
BCMMpronto: shot with an n900?18:16
timeless_mbpwell, would you pay an extra 60USD for a faster gps fix?18:16
SpeedEvilWhat I find much more annoying is the times that camera will block while waiting for GPS18:16
prontoBCMM: yes18:16
woglindeSpeedEvil uahahaa18:16
SpeedEviltimeless: it's maybe another $1 or $218:16
SpeedEvilBlock - and not let you take pictures18:16
BCMMpronto: hmm, i've never shot a photo that stands up to 100% zoom18:16
MohammadAGcan i use usb networking to share the N900's wifi to my PC?18:16
prontoi used macro mode18:16
prontoand focused on the turtle18:17
SpeedEvilMacro mode is basically cheating18:17
BCMMpronto: yeah, i can see that only the turtle is in *perfect* focus18:17
SpeedEvilthe resolution is a fair bit higher in macro mode18:17
woglindeMohammadAG should do18:17
SpeedEvileffective resolution18:17
BCMMi'll look at some of my pre-1.2 macro shots and see if they have perfect areas18:17
woglindeMohammadAG with iptables18:17
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SpeedEvilAlso - zoom in closely - and you see that it's not that great18:18
SpeedEvilit happens the shell masks some of teh defects18:18
MohammadAGwoglinde, I have USB networking set up but iirc that shares my pc connection to the N90018:18
prontoBCMM: some of my pre pr1.2 looked good18:18
SpeedEvilLook at some of the dust18:18
prontoSpeedEvil: it is just a phone with a shitty lense18:18
SpeedEvilpronto: indeed18:18
woglindeMohammadAG whats your problem?18:18
prontolike for a phone, holy hell18:18
MohammadAGwoglinde, my ethernet port broke down and I can't find my wifi adapter18:18
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SpeedEvilFor a non-camera-focused phone - it's very good18:19
prontoif this phone had a real lense on it18:19
woglindeMohammadAG with iptables on the n900 you could tethering the connection18:19
prontoit would be amazing18:19
BCMMSpeedEvil: oh, you're right about the shell18:19
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BCMMthe lens is good by phone standards - a lot of phones still have things that are basically similar to a laptop webcam18:20
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BCMMpronto: any advice on how to persuade it to focus on the correct thing when in macro mode?18:20
BCMMpronto: i've always had to take a few tries to persuade it not to choose the background18:21
prontotake your time , sligtly press the button to focus it, and if it dont focus how you want it to, move the phone further or closer to your target18:21
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prontoand good lighting is a key factor18:22
prontothough that shot was outside , and i didnt use the flash18:22
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andre__is there a wikipage where all those funny release number extensions a la "203.1" are explained?18:25
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BCMMSpeedEvil: is that manual focus?18:26
BCMM(that would be awesome)18:26
BCMMdoes that work the normal camera app?18:27
prontomost camereas have that , pressing the buton slightly18:27
prontoto try and focus18:27
SpeedEvilopen stock camera app18:27
SpeedEvilpress proximity sensor18:27
SpeedEvilfocus dialog pops up18:27
BCMMpronto: yeah, i know about the half-press18:27
SpeedEvil(and you can turn the lights on and off)18:27
timeless_mbpcomments 115 / 116 do not at all surprise me :)18:27
BCMMdoes it also fix exposure on half-press?18:28
SpeedEvilthink so18:28
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prontoproximity sensor?18:28
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SpeedEvilbottom right corner of the screen18:29
prontobottom right goes to the photos you've taken18:29
* timeless_mbp chuckles18:30
SpeedEviloutside the screen18:30
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: so basically the problem was that power saving trumped functionlaity18:30
timeless_mbppower saving ftw18:30
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SpeedEviltimeless: I'm not sure there isn't an underlying problem18:30
SpeedEvilbut it's comparatively rare18:30
prontonot sure where the proximity sensor is18:31
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SpeedEvil(04:29:38 PM) SpeedEvil: bottom right corner of the screen18:31
timeless_mbp> "Because 10 minutes was agreed on after 3 days of internal mail discussions"18:31
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: well18:31
timeless_mbpthere definitely was a design to turn off gps 30s after the screen blanks to save power18:31
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SpeedEvilIt should probably look at the sat strengths.18:32
timeless_mbpand there was a design to turn off screen after 30s of inactivity by default, also to save power18:32
SpeedEvilFrom the sat strengths, it's quite easy to tell if the GPS is likely to ever lock18:32
timeless_mbpwhich means that on average you're not going to last anywhere near 15mins18:32
prontois it an icon on the camera app?18:32
* timeless_mbp sighs18:33
SpeedEvilpronto: no - when you install the livefocus app - it is outside the screen area - to the bottom right of the screen.18:33
timeless_mbpcomment 147 is depressing18:33
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pronto...that would be why, i didnt install a 'livefocus' app18:33
pupnikthank you nokia for the satellite display18:33
timeless_mbpthe mail app supports portrait mode?18:35
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timeless_mbpit does18:35
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timeless_mbp(via a backdoor, ctrl-shift-r instead of ctrl-shift-o, so much for backdoor consistency)18:36
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MohammadAGthat's a debug feature18:36
MohammadAGit works globally on hildon-desktop18:36
MohammadAG= all apps18:37
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: it works nowhere for me18:37
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MohammadAGShapeshifter, it hates you too18:37
SpeedEvilapesha: aren't you still on pr1.1.1?18:37
nax3000looks like we're going to get HW acceleration for psx4all quite soon now18:38
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woglindenax3000 wrong twitter feed?18:49
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* timeless_mbp sigh18:52
timeless_mbpGAN900: would you call me a cheater if i filed bugs about easter eggs in modest?18:53
timeless_mbpthe details window content area is about 6 pixels tall in portrait mode18:53
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woglindefile it18:54
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pupnikhow can i make an audio beep in terminal?18:54
pupnikused to be ctrl-g back in 198818:55
nax3000nope, that's the right one18:55
nax3000it's zodtt's, he's the creator of psx4all18:55
Vladimiroffwhy does Maemo can't find included libs from .pro file?18:56
VladimiroffLIBS += -lqjson for example18:56
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MiXu-Bah. That new Qt SDK is pants.18:56
Vladimiroffthe file is in the same directory as the whole source and still can't load it18:56
nax3000apparently he's going to send the code for the gpu18:56
MiXu-You gotta fall back to Scratchbox if you want to use external libraries, since madde doesn't support that.18:57
MiXu-So... Nice thought. Kinda like communism.18:57
MiXu-It's still beta though. They better come up with a solution.18:58
timeless_mbpmy XTerminal just switched to portrait mode18:58
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MiXu-that's handy18:58
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smokunax3000: where did you get the idea of hardware acceleration?19:01
nax3000sup smoku19:01
pupnikand how was the alien abduction?19:01
nax3000isn't that why zod's going to contact you?19:01
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nax3000I mean, why would you need him otherwise?19:02
Wizzuptimeless_mbp: nice, how did you do that :D19:02
pupnikwhoah, portrait terminal19:02
timeless_mbpWizzup: i was trying portrait mail19:02
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timeless_mbpand went to my xterminal..19:02
timeless_mbpand well.. err19:02
korhojoatimeless_mbp: yeah, i tried that19:04
korhojoatimeless_mbp: just difficult to type19:04
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smokushift-ctrl-r does not work for me :/19:05
korhojoagot 1.2?19:05
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timeless_mbpsmoku: you have to close the keyboard and hold the phone in portrait afterwards19:05
timeless_mbppeople tend to forget those bits19:05
smokuaw. right19:05
BCMMthere is portrait mail?19:06
timeless_mbp"enabling portrait doesn't turn my phone into portrait, i'm holding it in landscape, why doesn't it look funny!"19:06
woglindebcmm yes easteregg19:06
timeless_mbpBCMM: yes. there's an easter egg for it19:06
timeless_mbpi really wouldn't recommend it19:06
timeless_mbpthere are missing strings and dialogs don't go where they need to19:06
timeless_mbpBCMM: presumably someone's working on it19:06
timeless_mbpand they wanted to show that they were working on it19:06
timeless_mbpwould you prefer people to *not* work on stuff?19:06
BCMMlike the browser was before 1.219:06
timeless_mbpusers are really funny19:06
BCMMi didn't say i'd rather they didn't work on stuff...19:07
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timeless_mbpsorry, i misinterpreted your 'why'19:07
smokutimeless_mbp: why are you so hostile?19:07
pupnikin between saunas and the pub.. a little work19:07
BCMMi was asking why you wouldn't recommend it19:07
pupnikis not mature maybe19:08
BCMMi think it's quite nice19:08
timeless_mbpBCMM: and i happened to answer that right after i said i wouldn't recommend it...19:08
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timeless_mbpi presumed you were responding to my first line, not line 2/319:08
BCMMi like reading stuff in fairly narrow columns (LaTeX has it right)19:09
* timeless_mbp shrugs19:09
timeless_mbpthe mail client doesn't work so well in portrait atm19:09
BCMMi wish other people's email clients wouldn't put in line breaks19:09
timeless_mbpsome messages wrap reasonably well19:09
BCMMi wish other people's email clients wouldn't put in line breaks19:09
timeless_mbpand some don't wrap at all19:09
nax3000smoku: so did I get the wrong impression about why you need zodttd's help with psx4all?19:09
timeless_mbpyeah, format=flowed19:09
nax3000is it not for the HW plugin?19:10
BCMMtbh, email clients need a button to ignore single linebreaks19:10
timeless_mbpsp3000: ooh, i think my account expired19:10
timeless_mbptime for a password reset!19:10
timeless_mbpoh no, it's just the 1 week warning :)19:10
BCMMthanks for that, i actually really like the portrait-mode email19:11
BCMMonly obvious oddity is buttons sizing oddly19:11
BCMMnot a huge deal19:11
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BCMMit's pretty much what i have on my desktop - folders, message list, and message contents in three columns. only difference is how many i can see at the same time :)19:12
sp3000timeless_mbp: fud?19:13
timeless_mbpsp3000: yes19:13
smokunax3000: yes. I think you got the wrong impression.19:13
* timeless_mbp wanders to turn off the BBC19:14
sp3000I'm thinking of scrolling down a long page three times, so a few mins19:14
MiXu-Is there an imagemagick port for N900?19:14
E0xwith the nokia sdk beta i can only use c++ , i can't use python or something ?19:14
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Vladimiroffarm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++: No such file or directory19:14
timeless_mbp… which is busy talking about Turkey + Israel, Turkey + Rebels, Russia + whatever19:14
nax3000smoku: oh. so may I ask what's going to happen after zod contacts you?19:15
Vladimiroffthe file is in path and only madde's qmake doesn't found it19:15
Vladimiroffwhere is the sense?19:15
BCMMtimeless_mbp: Turkey + Israel? last time i turned on BBC it was nearly everybody + israel19:15
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timeless_mbpBCMM: today it's Turkey + Israel19:15
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smokunax3000: I will port newer version of psx4all to fremantle, once I get the sources.19:15
timeless_mbpand after they stop talking about Turkey+Israel, they talk about Turkey killing its own citizens19:16
timeless_mbpit's kinda amusing19:16
nax3000smoku: oh, I see. Sorry for being a nag heh19:16
* RST38bis sighs: looks like PR1.2 has broken the Phone application19:16
timeless_mbpif i didn't think the BBC was anti israel, i'd think someone there has a sense of humor19:16
timeless_mbpRST38bis: you're too negative, what's wrong now?19:16
RST38bisThis is getting beyond sad straight into comical19:16
SpeedEvilxchat would be great in portrait19:16
timeless_mbpmy only problem w/ the phone is that sometimes SIP calls keep ringing after connecting19:16
woglindehi rst19:16
SpeedEvilIf the keyboard would actually swivel.19:16
BCMMtimeless_mbp: the bbc is anti-israel?19:17
RST38bistimeless: Set Phone app to portrait mode, lock the phone, ask someone to call you, watch it glitch19:17
nax3000BBC was always anti-israel19:17
* RST38bis thought it was just him, but apparently no19:17
timeless_mbphrm, portrait phone, ick19:17
BCMMphone works fine here, for skype and cellular19:17
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timeless_mbpRST38bis: i'll try that at dinner w/ sp300019:17
RST38bisYes, how unusual to hold your phone vertically to your ear when making a call19:17
woglinderst *g*19:17
RST38bisI mean, if iPhone users do that, it must be perverse19:17
nax3000I should know, I live here19:17
timeless_mbpi'm pretty sure i use automatic19:17
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timeless_mbpso when my phone is collapsed, it's in portrait19:18
timeless_mbpand when it isn't, it isn't19:18
nax3000(in israel that is, not the uk)19:18
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* RST38bis wonders if there is PR1.2.1 on the horizon19:18
smokuRST38bis: yes. phone app is very moody since PR1.219:18
pupniktake it -> ##politics19:18
RST38bispreferably in the next 30 days19:18
* MohammadAG kicks RST38bis 19:18
timeless_mbpRST38bis: doubtful19:18
BCMMon the topic of phoning and portrait, there is a nice application to make it go into speaker mode when you open the keyboard19:19
timeless_mbpBCMM: ooh19:19
timeless_mbpis it in extras or -testing?19:19
MohammadAGit's like that by default on the N9719:19
MohammadAG-devel i think19:19
BCMMdunno, i'll check19:19
RST38bison the other hand, modest seems to work (slowly, cut&paste still broken) and the weird bug with the media player applet seems to be mostly gone19:19
* timeless_mbp would gladly vote that out of testing into extras19:19
BCMMRST38bis: yeah, still waiting for a new update we can try and make people ask about so they get kicked :019:20
smokuRST38bis: there were few times it disappeared when I picked up the ringing phone. it started rotating and poof - gone. I needed to go to app browser and unhide it, then pick up.19:20
BCMM:) even19:20
RST38bisMohammadAG: What? Me?19:20
* timeless_mbp frowns19:20
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timeless_mbpok, i'm looking for someone here running 1.2 in English willing to risk their device19:20
RST38bisMohammadAG: Me, personally, thinks that your little middle east complication should be resolved with nuclear weaponry, as soon as possible, but preferably not during sand storms19:21
BCMMhow much risk?19:21
MohammadAGpsswitcher - Eases to switch on/off speakers while on the phone.19:21
matti_hautamekihi,can someone tell me why the browser always redirectsme to the mobile site if available!19:21
MohammadAGRST38bis, I want a vertical nuke to be fired19:21
BCMMMohammadAG: beat me to it19:21
timeless_mbpmatti_hautameki: it doesn't19:21
smokuand I have a feeling that PR1.2 lags on mass storage access19:21
RST38bis(mostly because that will make nice, prolonged news subject with some cool imagery)19:21
timeless_mbpthe browser does whatever web sites tell it to do19:21
MohammadAGeventually, it will run out of fuel in mid air and...19:21
matti_hautamekimine does19:21
timeless_mbpmatti_hautameki: have installed any third party browser hacks?19:22
timeless_mbpa user agent changer?19:22
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timeless_mbpok, what sites specifically?19:22
smokumatti_hautameki: it's not the browser. it's the site. browser has nothing to do with it. it's the site's decision to serve you the redirection.19:22
RST38bissmoku: that is because more stuff has been moved to mmc19:22
BCMMyou can also make it open the dashboard, which is kinda neat since if you open the keyboard, you're probably going to want to go to speakerphone then start some program to answer whatever somebody just asked you19:22
nax3000does anyone else get that annoying bug where if someone calls while the backlight is off - you try to answer it but as soon as you press "answer" the backlight goes off again19:22
RST38bissmoku: so now it takes a few seconds for the phone to react even for most common tasks19:23
nax3000it's like the phone is playing tag with me19:23
TomaszDsmoku, I would recommend copying all data from mass storage, formatting and then copying everything back, should speed things up19:23
matti_hautamekiok ... i have deleted the cookies and so on. any idea?19:23
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microlithtimeless_mbp: back on your original question, what do you need attempted?19:23
BCMMyou can also use the camera button, if some some weird reason you don't already use that to activate the dashboard19:23
RST38bisnax3000: Welcome to my recent complaint about the Phone app bug19:23
RST38bisnax3000: that is it19:23
timeless_mbpmicrolith: i have a package and i want to know if installing it changes the email app19:23
smokuTomaszD: this is what i did once i felt something is wrong19:23
nax3000that is damn annoying19:23
nax3000how could they have not fixed that in pr1.219:23
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* timeless_mbp grumbles19:23
* timeless_mbp kicks ham19:24
RST38bisthey broke that with pr1.219:24
RST38bisit works before19:24
timeless_mbpit only tells me about updates to package visible packages19:24
timeless_mbpnot hidden packages19:24
jcrawfordhello everyone, anyone here happen to use joikuSpot on the N900 and gotten it to work well with DD-WRT flashed routers?19:24
nax3000for me it did that with 1.1.119:24
nax3000was fine in 1.119:24
jcrawfordI cannot seem to get my router to connect to JoikuSpot but it had previously worked with my Palm Pre and MyTether...19:24
RST38bisNext time someone tells me "extensive in-house testing Nokia requires as part of the PR release procedure" I will laugh my socks off19:24
jcrawfordmust say I love this phone :)19:24
RST38biss/me/me about19:24
BCMMjoikuspot is the payware wifi tethering app, right?19:25
TomaszDtimeless_mbp, is there a mechanism for updating apps downloading from Ovi like from other catalogues or is it broken?19:25
BCMMwhat does it have over mobilehotspot?19:25
TomaszDa nice gui I suppose ;)19:25
* FauxFaux is regretting even less being too lazy to install pr1.2 due to NSU being broken.19:25
timeless_mbpTomaszD: in theory it generally works19:25
nax3000nokia needs QA people without a lobotomy19:25
jcrawfordBCMM: yes it is19:25
nax3000you'd think that'd be a requirement19:25
jcrawfordand I am not sure as I have never looked at mobile hot spot ,what is that?19:25
TomaszDtimeless_mbp, so if there is an important security update for Firefox Mobile in the Ovi Store, will it inform me by way of the orange flashing icon?19:26
timeless_mbpnax3000: actually19:26
RST38bisactually, most qa people I have seen had lobotomies19:26
smokuTomaszD: ovi store apps are user/hidden, but it's still user/*19:26
timeless_mbphaving a lobotomy is probably a requirement here19:26
nax3000"looking for QA testers, lobotomy patients need not apply"19:26
timeless_mbpotherwise you'd go mad from the insane demands19:26
BCMMjcrawford: well, it lets you share the 3g connection using wifi19:26
TomaszDsmoku, they changed the hidden mechanism in PR1.219:26
RST38bisdemands? what demands?19:26
jcrawfordBCMM is it an app for the phone or a device i have to get down at AT&T19:26
timeless_mbpTomaszD: i'd assume so19:26
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timeless_mbpi don't use ovi store19:26
BCMMjcrawford: it's a maemo app19:26
nax3000timeless: are you a QA guy for nokia?19:26
timeless_mbpnax3000: no, i'm an engineer19:26
BCMMjcrawford: it doesn't do wpa, AFAIK19:27
timeless_mbpi don't like the qa team any more then you do19:27
timeless_mbphowever i've seen their managers19:27
RST38bisyou overshoot suggested PR release date by several months and cannot even insure that the Phone app works?19:27
woglindetimeless only beserks on the QA-Reports19:27
timeless_mbpand it's hard to blame the qa team19:27
IkarusYou CANNOT use WPA(2) over adhoc networks in the wifi spec19:27
jcrawfordhmm is it in the app manager or in the ovi stire?19:27
jcrawfordi will check it out19:27
BCMMIkarus: wirelesshotspot is ad-hoc?19:27
IkarusBCMM: yup19:27
Ikarusthe firmware in the wifi chip bars the use of actual AP mode19:27
jcrawfordidc if it does wpa or not, just want to use it for small crap around the house :)19:27
timeless_mbpRST38bis:  s/insure/ensure/19:27
nax3000well, the people who work there are only as good as the management19:27
nax3000so I can relate19:27
BCMMIkarus: why does it need a new kernel then?19:27
timeless_mbpinsurance is just a gamble19:27
smokudoh.  I like my QA team guys. they are our best friends...19:27
timeless_mbpgetting it right is harder19:27
timeless_mbpsmoku: qa at nokia is split into 3 or more classes19:28
timeless_mbpsome classes have good teams19:28
IkarusBCMM: NAT19:28
timeless_mbpbut all classes are overworked19:28
timeless_mbpand all classes get incredibly stupid demands19:28
IkarusBCMM: the default kernel lacks iptables NAT support19:28
BCMMjcrawford: ah, no netfilter in the default kernel?19:28
BCMMIkarus: you are marginally faster than me :(19:28
jcrawfordanyone here been able to get pidgin to install for them? here it says downloading 3.33mb then says downloading 1.26mb and just hangs until the download fails19:28
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nax3000the irony of it all - I might start working in QA next month19:29
BCMMso what exactly causes people to pay money for joikuspot, other than getting to use the same software they use on their android phones?19:29
IkarusBCMM: because they are high on crack19:29
t_s_othere is a sucker borne every minute?19:29
jcrawfordBCMM: because i did not know there was an alternative :)19:29
* timeless_mbp grumbles19:29
* timeless_mbp sighs19:29
timeless_mbpstupid stupid stupid19:29
timeless_mbpapt sucks19:29
jcrawfordor i would not have been suckered into paying lol19:29
Ikarusperhaps we should run a VPN server on the N900 to make hotspot mode secure :)19:30
BCMMjcrawford: i will admit i had heard of joikuspot but not mobilehotspot until i decided to do a quick search19:30
IkarusWEP is cracked in 20 minutes19:30
Ikarusif not less :)19:30
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BCMMIkarus: oth, the n900 has less range than a typical wireless router19:30
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Ikarusah well, I'll stick with Bluetooth PAN for now19:31
jcrawfordIkarus: my internet is only on for about 20 minutes at a time most of the time lol19:31
jcrawfordso idc if they crack it :) in-fact right now it's unsecured19:31
Ikarusgiven that Bluetooth security is reasonable19:31
BCMMi have never actually used the bluetooth on my phone :(19:31
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fralswoha, putting a donate button in my aboutdialog just payed off \o/19:33
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sp3000timeless_mbp: ok, going ->19:33
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timeless_mbpheading out19:33
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jcrawfordpisses me off that pidgin refuses to install lol19:33
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woglindere rst19:34
BCMMfrals: how long did it take?19:34
smokudoh... builder is broken again.. :/  I guess it's time to leave extras-devel alone and move back to my own repository19:34
fralsBCMM: i submitted to autobuilder like err 4 hrs ago i think19:35
BCMMoh, that would be the fmms update i got today19:35
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RST38hIs X-Fade on vacation again? =)19:35
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jcrawfordhas anyone gotten pidgin to install?19:36
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jaskalooks like pycallblock will end the call you currently have going if a blocked number calls :)19:36
BCMMyay, a way to make people you don't want to talk to more annoying!19:37
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jaskai think its a 1-line fix tho19:40
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GAN900timeless, no.19:45
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jaskayay, fixed it19:48
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GAN900If anybody's noticed bug #1045419:53
povbot`Bug Data connection disappears after automatically migrating between WiFi and data a few times19:53
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ruskieGAN900, define a few times? 10? 20? 50?19:56
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woglindere doc19:58
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RST38hYou can automatically migrate between wifi and data? Really?20:06
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smokuRST38h: if you allow automatic data connection, it gets established once you get out of AP reach20:08
RST38hbut all your sessions will break20:08
RST38hso, it is not automatic, afaik20:09
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jaskayoud need mobileip hackery or both networks under same organizations control to retain tcp connections20:12
GAN900ruskie, see the reproduction field.20:13
GAN900ruskie, 2 of the 8 days I've had 1.220:13
GAN900RST38h, which sessions?20:15
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GAN900RST38h, I don't have to touch anything.20:22
GAN900So, automatic.20:22
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skyscraperdoes anyone know a game-server-monitor software like "HLSW" for n900?20:23
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skyscrapernot existing??20:31
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RST38hGAN: Like ssh session or http20:46
MohammadAGRST38h, fix xchat!20:46
RST38hor irc. they do get broken when changing connection, right?20:46
MohammadAGsome people like to paste spam20:46
MohammadAGand join channels on connect20:47
MohammadAGrant over20:47
prontowow, that live focus app is damn annouing20:47
RST38hSpeaking of spam, - and it is not running Maemo20:48
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inzlikely not in the groin, if you don't know.20:54
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RST38h"A melancholy view of our national mental level is obtained from a survey of the moronic quality of the majority of today's radio programs"20:56
RST38h(C)Lee de Forest, inventor of a triode, 195220:56
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timelessrst: so how does this call bug work?21:17
timelessi locked a phone in portrait21:17
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TTilusjaska: vpn with automatic reconnection would save your ass too21:26
jaskattilus: yeah, mobileip is somewhat like that iirc21:28
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TTilusmobileip is ip-over-ip tunneling, so essentially the same in this case21:31
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IkarusTTilus: it's actually not tunneling, it is redirection21:34
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jaskaif theres no foreign agent?21:36
jaskaits been a while since i touched that stuff :)21:37
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: yep. xchat irc connection breaks on automatic 'roaming' from WLAN to GPRS connection21:41
TTilushmm, i stand corrected, its more or less just plain forwarding, "home agent" just forwards the packages to mobile node, which sends data always directly to the peer, not via "home agent"21:42
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: btw you noticed the "tickets" on your xchat "bugtracker" thread?21:42
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, wish libconic were hooked into it.21:50
DocScrutinizerlibconic? it?21:50
DocScrutinizeryou're referring to 'roaming'?21:51
DocScrutinizeras in 'xchat needs libconic' ?21:52
GAN900DocScrutinizer, yeah.21:53
GAN900XChat should hook into libconic so it knows when a connection change has happened21:54
GAN900Instead of taking 15 minutes to timeout.21:54
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RST38hDoc: Yes, I have noticed "tickets" and may even "looks" at them once I have time =)21:55
jcrawfordhey guys anyone been able to get google voice activated?21:55
jcrawfordi keep getting unknown code21:55
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jcrawfordugh fonts are soo small in xchat21:57
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: full ack. Though reducing ping-timeout to 2 minutes helps, but introduces other problems21:58
DocScrutinizerjcrawford: select anothe PT size in xchat settings? :-P21:59
jcrawfordsucks my other phone broke and i cannot get google voice to activate from the n90021:59
DocScrutinizergogle voice? you're kidding, aren't you?22:00
* RST38h needs a new laptop and may even consider Samsung.22:01
jcrawfordno i have a number i give everyone to call me on and that is the google voice #22:01
RST38hThat is how low I have fallen22:01
DocScrutinizerthought you're talking about that voice-command thing22:01
RST38hAre Dell Vostros any good?22:02
* DocScrutinizer suggests plain SIP to jcrawford22:02
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jcrawforddoc i may try that but the point of ga google voice # is so that you have it forever. when you get a new phone you just activate google voice :)22:03
budfiveDocScrutinizer: googlevoice is much more than what plain sip gives you22:04
ZogGMek, hey22:04
ZogGMohammadAG, ^22:04
ZogGtybollt, hey22:04
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ZogGtybollt, i found the guy. he is here btw22:04
xDaReaperxgoogle voice for N900 ?22:04
jcrawfordbut when i enter the code in the phone app it complains about an invalid code22:04
DocScrutinizerbudfive: please elaborate22:05
MohammadAGZogG, kk22:05
MohammadAGwhat's google voice?22:05
MohammadAGis it like SIP or something?22:05
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budfiveDocScrutinizer: for example if I have a cell-phone and an office phone, I would register both other those numbers with a googlevoice account. GV gives you a 3rd phone number. That's the one you give out to people22:06
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: [2010-05-31 21:04:02] <budfive> DocScrutinizer: googlevoice is much more than what plain sip gives you22:06
budfiveDocScrutinizer: When your gv number is called, BOTH the cellphone and the office phone ring22:06
xDaReaperxI downloaded Easy debian now, and it tells me that it has to download some 2.5 GB image file and must be saved in the memory card , but can i be saved on the N900 ? cause i dont have a memory card22:06
MohammadAGheh you asked the same q...22:06
budfiveDocScrutinizer: so you can be reached wherever you are22:06
MohammadAGxDaReaperx, yes22:06
MohammadAGit can be saved to either afaik22:06
DocScrutinizerbudfive: can be done with SIP easily, and in a standards conforming manner22:06
jcrawfordmohamed it allows callers to call one number to ring many phones and allows you to transparently tranfer calls from one phone to another etc.22:06
MohammadAGunless qole changed that, which i doubt22:06
budfiveDocScrutinizer: then there are other niceties, like voicemail that's sent to your email22:07
xDaReaperxhmm whats afaik ?22:07
MohammadAG~wtf afaik22:07
infobotAFAIK: as far as I know22:07
DocScrutinizerbudfive: I got that with sipgate since 5 years now22:07
xDaReaperxi wanted to host PHP and SQL on my phone , so i was gonna install debian22:07
infobot:), MohammadAG22:07
budfiveDocScrutinizer: yeah? SIP is a standard and sipgate is a product?22:07
budfiveDocScrutinizer: you educate me :)22:07
E0xbudfive: with SIP you can do all what GV do , the catch with GV is everything is already do and you don't need config22:07
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E0xor almost nothing22:08
DocScrutinizerbudfive: SIP is a RFC standard and is one of a zillion providers22:08
budfiveDocScrutinizer: reading...22:08
DocScrutinizerbudfive: http://twinklephone.com22:09
fiferboyGAN900: Rays vs Jays tonight22:09
DocScrutinizerfor a good free softphone22:09
DocScrutinizer(ok, maybe I am biased, as I co-developed it a little bit)22:09
DocScrutinizerbudfive: anyway you got a nice list of links to all the RFC and sevices implemented in that particular SIP client22:11
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jcrawfordit says service code not supported.22:11
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jcrawfordwhen i do the activation of google voice22:11
jcrawfordthe code looks like this *004*15555551212#22:12
budfiveDocScrutinizer: Yes. Thanks a lot for that22:12
DocScrutinizeractually I couldn't think of a single function/service in GV that hasn't been implemented by sipgate some years before22:12
budfiveDocScrutinizer: googlevoice isn't nearly as special as I was led to believe :)22:13
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GAN900fiferboy, yeah, we had a baaaaaad week.22:13
GAN900fiferboy, fingers crossed for improvements this week.22:13
jcrawfordsipgate allows one number for life?22:13
xDaReaperxhey guys , i have 2 new themes on my N900 , but now i liked the background image of the first theme , and the icons of the 2nd theme , i want to use the 2nd theme with the 1st theme's background image , how can i set it to that ?22:13
fiferboyGAN900: Morrow should get you on the right track :/22:13
GAN900DocScrutinizer, how do I reduce ping time?22:14
DocScrutinizerin USA aka freeworlddialup/fwd is very popular for a SIP provider afaik22:14
budfivejcrawford: That code is a gsm command. what is telling you that the service isn't supported?22:14
budfivejcrawford: is it the n900 or your gsm provider?22:14
wazdhello again, humanity :)22:14
DocScrutinizerGAN900: walk a few steps towards the AP?22:14
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jcrawfordthe phone app22:15
MohammadAGor attach a huge antenna22:15
MohammadAGto your roof, if the router supports that (old dlinks did :))22:15
GAN900DocScrutinizer, hate you.22:15
jcrawfordit works on att as my E72 is setup22:15
xDaReaperxxDaReaperx>hey guys , i have 2 new themes on my N900 , but now i liked the background image of the first theme , and the icons of the 2nd theme , i want to use the 2nd theme with the 1st theme's background image , how can i set it to that ?22:15
xDaReaperxanyone ? ^22:15
GAN900DocScrutinizer, how do I reduce XChat's timeout period?22:15
DocScrutinizerGAN900: on a more serious comment, you can reduce MTR, and also tune a few other parameters of the link22:16
budfivejcrawford: pr1.2 added support for ussd codes to be entered in the phone app, so update if you haven't yet22:16
SpeedEvilxDaReaperx: You can easily set the background image.22:16
jcrawfordi have updated22:16
xDaReaperxcan you tell me how plz ?22:16
SpeedEvilxDaReaperx: I'm unure where the theme would store it22:16
xDaReaperxhow to find that out ?22:16
* SpeedEvil boots phone22:17
budfivejcrawford: maybe it's a bug then. :( If you can enter the commands from a different code they'll work with the n900 afterwards, since you're commanding your provider22:17
DocScrutinizerGAN900: net_ping_timeout = 24022:17
budfivejcrawford: different PHONE that is22:17
DocScrutinizerGAN900: in .xchat2/xchat.conf22:17
jcrawfordthats what i thought u meant22:18
jcrawfordi will try from my E72 tomorrow22:18
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SpeedEvilxDaReaperx: click the desktop, click the little gear thing. Click desktop menu. Click change background.22:19
GAN900DocScrutinizer, thanks.22:19
xDaReaperxyeah i am there22:19
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xDaReaperxokay ty22:20
xDaReaperxfigured it out22:20
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DocScrutinizer~ $ cat .xchat2/loginhost.xsh22:21
DocScrutinizernick Docscrutemp22:21
DocScrutinizermsg nickserv ghost DocScrutinizer51 MyPWD22:21
DocScrutinizertimer 6 nick DocScrutinizer5122:21
GAN900DocScrutinizer, ah, awesome.22:21
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GAN900Can I reload the settings?22:22
GAN900Or just have to restart?22:22
DocScrutinizer.xchat2/servlist_.conf:C=load -e /home/user/.xchat2/loginhost.xsh22:22
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: or just edit login-cmd in settings22:25
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: was just a context=3 in the 'diff' - i.e. I gave the 3 lines following the one I changed22:25
MohammadAGyou use a loadfile too, cool22:26
xDaReaperxfor some reason i cant connect to on xchat22:27
DocScrutinizersure, otherwise I would be known as DocScrutinizer51 DocScrutinizer51_ DocScrutinizer51__ just like you ;-P22:27
ZogGxDaReaperx from n900?22:27
ZogGi can22:27
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xDaReaperxits taking for ever22:27
ZogGxDaReaperx, have you changed something?22:27
xDaReaperxno it shows connecting to chat.freenode.net22:27
xDaReaperxshouldn't it connect to ?22:28
DocScrutinizer51works like a charm here (xchat to freenode from N900)22:28
ZogGxDaReaperx yes22:28
xDaReaperxi could connect yesteday22:29
MohammadAGxDaReaperx, different servers, they depend on your location22:29
xDaReaperxbut it dosent today22:29
ZogGi have chat =)22:29
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MohammadAG* Looking up irc.freenode.net22:29
MohammadAG* Connecting to ( port 6667...22:29
xDaReaperxwell yeah lol22:29
MohammadAGirc noobs22:29
ZogG_N900can't type blind from n90022:30
xDaReaperxwho me ?22:30
DocScrutinizerxDaReaperx: well actually sometimes it fails here too, saying "***checking ident"22:30
* ZogG_N900 bans MohammadAG 22:30
xDaReaperxDocScrutinizer :hmm yeah same problem here22:30
ZogG_N900never failed22:30
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ZogGxDaReaperx maybe you are blocked or server blocked?22:30
ZogGare you using wifi or 3G22:30
DocScrutinizerxDaReaperx: probably related to GPRS-NAT of your provider22:31
ZogGtry same connection as on desktop with sameserver22:31
xDaReaperxhmm no Using WiFi22:31
ZogGas well check the proxy settings22:31
xDaReaperxi can connect on my PC22:31
ZogGxDaReaperx, change the server to what you have on desctop22:31
DocScrutinizerso then probably related to your own NAT :-P22:31
xDaReaperxhmm ok i'll check22:31
ZogGxDaReaperx, xchat just hates you22:31
ZogGxDaReaperx, try 3G22:32
DocScrutinizerZogG: UHUH. I just use the server I found in the preconfigured server list22:32
xDaReaperx3G is too costly here22:32
ZogGDocScrutinizer me too22:32
xDaReaperxi prefer WiFi22:32
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ZogGxDaReaperx, i have 5 gibs a month =)22:32
DocScrutinizerand that's how you should do, as it does some arbitration22:32
xDaReaperxi have none lol22:32
xDaReaperxi have to pay as i surf22:32
xDaReaperxon 3G22:32
xDaReaperxreal costly22:32
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ZogGxDaReaperx country?22:33
xDaReaperxMiddle East : Bahrain22:33
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xDaReaperxlol how do you read the text on xchat on your N900 ,it's so puny22:34
DocScrutinizerhah, hasn't bhrain a 'no VoIP' policy on their wired internets as well?22:34
DocScrutinizermeans they have a nasty firewall/proxy even on DSL22:34
xDaReaperxwell yeah they have blocked lots of networks22:35
xDaReaperxbut i can bypass that22:35
DocScrutinizerso there you got your problem22:35
xDaReaperxhmm could be22:35
xDaReaperxbut i could connect yesterday22:35
xDaReaperxdunno all of a sudden today it's taking forever22:36
DocScrutinizerthis probably makes situation equivalent/worse to what I experience on GPRS22:36
DocScrutinizeryes, same here with GPRS22:36
DocScrutinizersometimes it works, rarely it takes literally forever/stalls22:36
ZogGxDaReaperx middle east israel ( no flood please)22:37
DocScrutinizerjust select "reconnect" from menu-server22:37
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xDaReaperxi'm not form israel lol , i'm in Bahrain , but i'm from India22:37
ZogGxDaReaperx, change fonts22:37
DocScrutinizerxDaReaperx: usually fixes the issue for me22:37
xDaReaperxyeah i changed it now and even the font size22:37
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ZogGxDaReaperx, i understand, i am22:37
ZogGi left them as they are22:37
* ZogG waits for real avatar so hard22:38
ZogGAank — the Last Air Bender22:38
DocScrutinizerZogG: the default font is much too large iirc ;-P22:38
E0xwhat is the best setup for do python program for maemo ?22:38
DocScrutinizerNokia Sans 12 here22:38
E0xcode in anythign IDE and test directly in the n900 ?22:39
ZogGDocScrutinizer, it's exactly as in mail widget =)22:39
ZogGE0x, there is emulator, SDK for example22:39
E0xZogG: but you can program in python using the SDK22:39
ZogGnot QT SDK22:40
MohammadAGpython doesn't need an sdk22:40
ZogGyou can22:40
ZogGMohammadAG, yes for graphics =)22:40
E0xnope ?22:40
MohammadAGyou can code it all22:40
E0xon windows22:40
MohammadAGuse Qt designer22:40
ZogGMohammadAG, as QT and C++ or any language - so what?22:40
fralswhy the hell does this dialog refuse to show my widgets when i launch it the 2nd time?22:40
MohammadAGZogG, huh22:41
MohammadAGpython UI is in GTK or Qt22:41
xDaReaperxwell /proc/mem  < does this actually exist ?22:41
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ZogGE0x gtk or qt?22:41
xDaReaperxi heard ppl say it causes a kernel panic22:41
* MohammadAG tests22:41
ZogGE0x, use geany22:41
MohammadAGno need for an sdk then22:41
E0xmaybe some qt , i am learning/testing22:41
ZogGMohammadAG, glade =)22:41
ZogGE0x, check glade as well, though it's for desktop22:42
ZogGMohammadAG, gajim is made with glade22:42
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E0xbut i need hildon libs not ?22:42
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ZogGfor what?22:43
ZogGto emulate or what?22:43
ZogGi don't really know22:43
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MohammadAGZogG, so what, fmms is made with trouts22:43
E0xi will check and test22:43
ZogGprobably for some emelents22:43
DocScrutinizerGAN900: everything ok?22:43
ZogGMohammadAG, you are made with love22:43
* ZogG hugs MohammadAG 22:43
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MOUDHey all22:45
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CabletwitchAhh, there we go.22:45
CabletwitchThat topic gets longer everytime I come here...22:46
ZogGCabletwitch i meant hornier22:46
infobotpr1.3 is, like, a ban'able subject now.....22:46
* ZogG hides22:46
DocScrutinizer~gentoo ZogG22:47
* infobot recompiles ZogG again22:47
DocScrutinizer~flash ZogG22:47
* infobot starts a firmware update on ZogG, then pulls the plug halfway through22:47
MohammadAGthat isn't fatal22:48
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MohammadAGflash him with a broken NOLO22:48
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DocScrutinizeryeah, ZogG is the living proof22:48
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MOUDhow can I use my ps3 controller as a mouse for my n900?22:48
MohammadAGafaik, you don't :)22:49
fralsah, the joy of support22:49
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* frals facepalms and walks towards the booze22:49
* DocScrutinizer ties frals to a first level helpdesk chair22:49
* MohammadAG replaces the rope with a metal bar and solders it22:50
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* DocScrutinizer suggests welding22:50
ZogGMOUD, you can play games with it though22:51
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* MohammadAG hangs a trout out of reach in front of frals22:51
MOUDyeah... too bad that you cant use as a mouse22:51
* DocScrutinizer goes for a booze :-P22:52
ZogGMOUD, just use mouse22:52
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MOUDcan wireless or bt mosue work with n900?22:52
DocScrutinizercan't shoot a zombie :-]22:52
xDaReaperxwell i dont think there is a cursor on N90022:52
wazdZogG: o/22:52
xDaReaperxexpect while browsing22:52
ZogGwazd \o22:52
* Stskeeps passes wazd some booze22:53
MOUDwhat about a keyboard then?22:53
fralswhy is it that whenever i tell someone to start an application from the terminal they always do it as root?22:53
* MohammadAG solders DocScrutinizer too22:53
ZogGwazd, this guy from habr talking about meego is an iddiot22:53
MohammadAGStskeeps, Oi! that's mine22:53
wazdStskeeps: ohnoes, can't take any more :D22:53
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wazdZogG: he's a "journalist"22:53
xDaReaperxi'm not sure about the keyboard22:53
ZogGbriglia, hello22:53
MohammadAGkeyboards work, mice don't22:53
MohammadAGand it was marked as fixed, meh22:53
ZogGbriglia, i'm AI bot, can i hep you?22:53
DocScrutinizerthe zombie solders army of #maemo22:54
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MOUDboth wireless and bt keyboard work?22:54
ZogGsergio__, bey, it was nice to meet you22:54
wazdZogG: but all that atom-phone stuff was fun anyway :)22:54
MOUDyay, a bot22:54
MOUDlet me try...22:54
ZogGwazd, they read rumors from rumors from rumors and than they think they know22:55
MOUDdidnt work... meh22:55
xDaReaperxmaybe you need permission to use him22:55
ZogGwazd, i doubt even Nokia sees all the picture, but he does22:55
ZogGMOUD, coffee?22:55
wazdZogG: actually I was surprised to meet "journalist behaviour pattern"22:55
MOUDno tks22:55
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Cabletwitch!ZogG -rm -rf22:56
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wazdZogG: when he suddenly switched theme dramaticaly22:56
ZogGwazd, habr is a network of snobs22:56
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ZogGCabletwitch, you harddrive with pr0n was deleted successfully22:56
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CabletwitchHow do you delete a harddrive?22:57
ZogGwith magic hat?22:57
xDaReaperxIs it possible to cause a kernel panic on the N900 ?22:57
ZogGman, everyone knows that22:57
* Cabletwitch looks in the case, and see's the disk is still there22:57
ZogGxDaReaperx, prob, you wouldn't see it anyway22:57
DocScrutinizerxDaReaperx: easily22:57
xDaReaperxhow ?22:58
xDaReaperxwhich command line22:58
ZogGCabletwitch, TA-DA, it was magic trick22:58
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CabletwitchUh-huh. Now make my 'More...' icon come back.22:58
DocScrutinizerI did it as root with 'cat /proc/kmem' but since then my kmem and/or mem is gone it seems :-P22:58
CabletwitchTHAT would be a good trick22:58
xDaReaperxZogG : we might notice the high CPU usage during a kernel panic and heating22:58
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MOUDcan i use 2 ps3 controllers with n900?22:59
fralsany screen cap app out there for the n900 yet?22:59
xDaReaperxDocScrutinizer : well can that command cause any harm for the phone ?22:59
ZogGxDaReaperx, you can do #mv kernel panic_room22:59
fralsor do i have to use my other phone to record stuff?22:59
DocScrutinizeror maybe it was /dev/kmem22:59
CabletwitchI wonder if its possible to use the N900 as a wiimote?22:59
ZogGxDaReaperx, if you have kernel panic - doesn't the system fall ?23:00
DocScrutinizerxDaReaperx: nah, just causes kernel to segv23:00
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threshCabletwitch: yes, but only once. It will go to your TV in a first throw.23:00
xDaReaperxwell a restart should fix that right ?23:00
WolfieCabletwitch: for one, you'd need to mod the camera to accept only IR light23:00
DocScrutinizerxDaReaperx: it restarts immediately23:00
ZogGCabletwitch, not sure if it's as Wii remote or with Wii remote23:00
xDaReaperxhmm ok23:00
ZogGxDaReaperx, kernel panic is like blue screen23:00
xDaReaperxso can i try it  ? lol will it harm the phone in any way ?23:01
CabletwitchWolfie: I meant as the controller, not the sensor bar.23:01
xDaReaperxoh ... hmm maybe never seen one23:01
DocScrutinizerxDaReaperx: nope it won't harm the phone23:01
ZogGMohammadAG, fixed mms thing?23:01
WolfieCabletwitch: the sensor bar is just two IR leds, nothing more... the wiimote has an IR-sensitive camera, that knows how you point at the tv23:01
CabletwitchAnd generally, CMOS and CCD devices will see in IR if you remove the filter.23:01
Wolfieadditionally, there's some accelerometers in 3 axis, which could probably be done with the N900...23:02
CabletwitchAhh yes, forgot the camera was in the remote. Duh.23:02
Wolfiehow accurately, though, I don't know23:02
CabletwitchYou were right the first time.23:02
Wolfieand then you'd need to get the phone to sync with the wii, which would require a certain amount of hacking23:02
xDaReaperxahh yeah it crashed the phone lol23:03
xDaReaperxits restarting23:03
Wolfieso, technically, sure, it's bound to be possible. But hardly usable23:03
CabletwitchWhen has that ever stopped the OSS crowd?23:03
Wolfiemore interesting/rewarding projects? ;)23:03
CabletwitchEh, someone will try it eventually, you'll see.23:04
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CabletwitchDear Nokia, if you ever revise the N900's hardware, put the goddamn usb port on the OTHER end of the phone, so you dont look like a total tit when its charging/plaugged in during a call. Thanks in advance, Cable.23:05
RST38hHmmm...Skype is broken in PR1.2 as well23:06
RST38hDoes not show messages sent by myself from some other machine to somebody else23:06
RST38hActually, shows them in the log but does not show the messages themselves23:06
xDaReaperxwell i chmod 640 /proc/meminfo  , so this should prevent apps from displaying or recording my memory info right ?23:06
DocScrutinizermuhahaha, Israel not found out 35% of world poulation are AlKaida23:07
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DocScrutinizernot not23:07
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ZogGDocScrutinizer =(23:07
ZogGDocScrutinizer it's not the size but how you use it23:07
CabletwitchDoc, pills time!23:07
xDaReaperxcan we make the menu on the N900 to be viewed in Portait mode ?23:08
xDaReaperxinstead of landscape ?23:08
xDaReaperxand all the other apps23:08
ZogGxDaReaperx ctrl+shift+r23:08
CabletwitchIR leds need to be on the top end too, so we can use it as a proper remote.23:08
DocScrutinizerthe 700 passangers of the hijacked and attacked convoy all were AlKaida members, according to Israel minitry of exernal afairs23:08
ZogGDocScrutinizer please, don't start it here23:09
DocScrutinizerall with kalaschnikovs and grenades23:09
RST38h700 passengers != 35% of world population23:09
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xDaReaperxZogG : i tried ctrl+shift+r dosent do anything23:10
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threshisraeli did a good thing23:10
ZogGxDaReaperx in the app23:10
RST38hthresh: Not really23:10
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ZogGDocScrutinizer you see what i meant23:10
RST38hthresh: A nuclear blast would be way more spectacular23:10
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DocScrutinizerheh, but If there were diplomats under the 700 (and there actually were) then it's highly unlikely the rest of that government isn't AlKaida as well23:10
ZogGRST38h, shhhh23:10
threshRST38h: still, they being consistent, something our country lacks for instance23:10
RST38hthresh: Especially at sea. Would probably take all the vessels at once, too23:11
threshnuclear blast, for sure.23:11
* Cabletwitch must have missed the news... not having a TV makes this possible.23:11
RST38hthresh: Actually, quite the opposite23:11
xDaReaperxZogG : wait i go to some application and type ctrl+shift+r ?23:11
xDaReaperxand then i tilt my phone ?23:11
RST38hthresh: Israelis are pretty inconsistent in their treatment of PA23:11
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ZogGxDaReaperx, close keyboard and move phone23:11
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xDaReaperxoh cool works :D23:12
threshRST38h: PA being?23:12
RST38hthresh: Constantly switching from appeasement to supression, where the Chechen approach would probably work better23:12
threshpalestine autonomy?23:12
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RST38hthresh: Palestinian Authority23:12
threshoh k23:12
FauxFauxCabletwitch: Some non-whites blew up a boat with some other non-whites on it.  WHITE POWAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR.  Wait, actually, this isn't a normal IRC channel, I probably can't say that here.23:12
CabletwitchHeh, the rotate trick works with xchat too.23:12
threshRST38h: we all know how well chechen approach worked :/23:12
RST38hthresh: Better than israeli approach to PA23:12
GAN900Anybody else having the phone app do weird gymnastics when receiving a call?23:12
ZogGCabletwitch, it's hildon trcik not certain apps23:13
FauxFaux/nick FauKFauKK.23:13
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RST38hthresh: (although neither has been particularly stellar)23:13
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GAN900Ones that make you hit the hangup button. . . .23:13
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CabletwitchZogG: Ahh, gotcha. Is it applicable to the app used in, or does it stay active globally?23:13
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prontowow , that 'live focus' app is horrible o_o23:14
RST38hwhat IS that live focus app???23:14
prontosomething for the camera23:14
RST38hGAN: Yes. It is confirmed to be a bug.23:14
DocScrutinizerpronto: I think it works quite well inside the given restrictions23:15
RST38hGAN: Appears when your phone app set to work in portrait mode. Made quite a few people miss calls too.23:15
prontothe thing keeps poping up when i'm viewing phtos :\23:15
RST38hpronto: oh that thing23:15
DocScrutinizerpronto: uh, ok. never seen that23:15
DocScrutinizeror wait23:16
prontoit acautaly poped up when i was on the home screen :|23:16
DocScrutinizermaybe I seen it once, before I changed the setting in systray menu23:16
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SpeedEvilpronto: It has  major problems working with the camera23:17
prontoisnt it _for_ the camera?23:17
SpeedEvilpronto: The camera module is completely closed-source23:17
DocScrutinizerlivefocus can not create an overlay to camera-gui. So that's quite a handicap for a decent implementation23:17
SpeedEvilTo do it 'right' - it would want to be integrated into the camera23:18
prontooh? wow that's annoying23:18
SpeedEvilFor example - live focus applet - cannot actually tell - as I understand it - if the camera applet is showing you your existing pictures, or ...23:18
DocScrutinizerby using the kbd shortcuts it works like a charm23:18
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DocScrutinizerjust switch the keyboard button in systray menu to green-dot23:20
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DocScrutinizererr red?23:20
DocScrutinizerQ/W toggles flashlight, A/S is focus...23:21
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DocScrutinizerE/R is red indicator light23:23
DocScrutinizerD is some obscure reset23:23
DocScrutinizerbut something is a little inconsistent still, sometimes refuses to work23:24
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prontoprssing q/w nothing is happening o.O23:24
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DocScrutinizeryeah, a pita23:25
prontoi'll just remove it23:26
DocScrutinizeropen cam slider, press crtl-bs, go to desktop, hit, systray, switch kbd-button to red-dot, press crtl-bs, goto camera23:26
DocScrutinizerprobably me to23:27
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DocScrutinizeras I don't need manual focus, or video light23:27
DocScrutinizerwhat I need though is a torch, simple and easy to start. and the not so easy to start torch was killed by live_focus23:28
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DocScrutinizerso now the night is over before I get some light ;-P23:29
pupnikdarn darkness23:29
pupniki love how mplayer can slowdown speech23:31 - not sure if google translator can handle that - but this is epic win23:32
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RST38hZogG: There is a similar (and even better) English version23:34
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n900-dkany body seen a backgammon game for N900?23:35
RST38hZogG: Start here:
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RST38hAnd to polish it off:
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ZogGRST38h there is article there that IE8 is perfect and helps to feed starving children =)23:40
ZogGn900-dk i played it23:40
RST38hZogG: I am sure it helps feeding a few children in Redmond, Washington23:40
n900-dkZogG: Where did you find it? Can't find bg any where..23:41
RST38hQuite a few young Nigerians, Albanians, and Russians too23:41
ZogGIndian's programmers children maybe23:41
ZogGn900-dk ovi23:41
RST38hthat is Java!23:41
ZogGRST38h huh, i;m russian =)23:41
n900-dkthere isn't any at ovi for N90023:41
pupnikyay, got through a day with one battery swap23:42
RST38hyou actually swap batteries?23:42
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pupnikone charges while other is in use23:42
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jacekowskinokia has to really work on energy consumption23:43
jacekowskior better batteries23:43
RST38hthat is what the world has come to: swapping batteries in your phone23:44
* RST38h fills himself with sorrow for the future of the humanity23:44
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* ShadowJK is pretty happy with battery consumption now23:46
ShadowJKnow that I have the bigger battery23:46
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ShadowJKoriginal one lasted the day too though23:46
jacekowskiwhat sort of battery?23:46
RST38hRuns for about 15hrs here23:46
GAN900RST38h, it's amazing what Nokia doesn't test.23:46
jacekowskiand how you managed to fit it in n900?23:46
ShadowJKmugen's 2400mAh battery23:46
RST38hGAN900: No shit Sherlock23:46
ShadowJKThough not even the 2400mAh mugen would see me through the day on my operator's 3g :)23:47
ShadowJK(with xchat running on n900)23:47
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RST38hGAN900: You would think "the extensive release qa process" should have caught broken phone app. Isn't it a phone?23:47
ShadowJKThe phone app is broken? I just made a call?23:47
RST38hShadowJK: Do this:23:47
CorsacRST38h: it's a mobile computer!23:48
RST38hShadowJK: 1) Set Phone app to always use Portrait mode 2) Lock the screen 3) Call your phone23:48
ShadowJKAtlthough mafw-dbus-wrapper or something crashes alot more in PR1.2.. I was letting crash-reporter send in the crash reports, but I think the crash server crashed23:48
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RST38hShadowJK: You will see the screen go through weird acrobatics and if you click the green button too soon, N900 will drop the call and go back to sleep23:49
ZogGn900-dk yes there is23:49
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jacekowskii had that happening as well23:49
CorsacRST38h: it worked fine here, just tested23:49
jacekowskiand it looks like bad signal is making it worse23:49
CorsacRST38h: except if by “locked” you meant secure through the lock code maybe?23:49
RST38hCorsac: I am getting this in ~50% cases23:49
Mecerevenge of the ninja - perfect way to relax after before bedtime :D23:49
GAN900RST38h, I've dropped about a half dozen calls now.23:50
CorsacRST38h: I often see races condition in incoming calls though23:50
RST38hCorsac: No, turn the screen off with the lock button23:50
RST38hCorsac: yes that is our culprit23:50
RST38hGAN900: You are on the Council at the moment?23:50
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Corsacthe phone rings/vibrates, I pick it, and the screen shuts down, then on, then rotate, then...23:50
RST38hCorsac: Yep.23:50
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ZogGn900-dk they deleted it probably - it was there23:52
MeceRST38h, I have that issue too. usually I just wait a few seconds and it's fine.23:52
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KongfuPandahi. I have a pdf document, with 4 slides per page, is it possible to cut it so that each slide is on separete pate?23:54
ZogGKongfuPanda i think so23:55
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RST38hGAN900: Could you initiate some kind of a semi-formal drive for a quick update to fix the worst regressions caused by PR1.2? I have heard there are also some problems with messaging and the virtual keyboard23:55
RST38hGAN900: And the copy from emails still does not work23:55
ZogGKongfuPanda google =)23:56
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MOUDcan i use 2 ps3 controllers with n900?23:56
GAN900RST38h, I could, but I doubt it would do anything productive.23:56
DocScrutinizerRST38h: GAN900: great idea. Then I don't have to wait forever for 1.2.123:56
DocScrutinizersitting here with a reasonably working but outdated 1.1, while everybody else curses 1.2 borkedness - man, that kinda sucks as well23:57
Mecedamn, Sho Kosugi is just ridiculously fast! Never did appreciate the art as a kid.23:57
RST38hGAN900: I know :( But it just feels so ridiculous to delay something for months and still get it wrong23:57
ZogGKongfuPanda o are you linux user?23:57
GAN900RST38h, I think it was the big platform stuff that killed them.23:58
RST38hGAN900: Maybe someone at Maemo Devices management has enough conscience left to actually authorize a quick fix23:58
ZogGGAN900 why don't they go modular ?23:58
RST38hThey are modular23:58
ZogGare they?23:59
ZogGmaemo is released as maemo23:59
DocScrutinizerand I don't even fare to allow updates of things like alarmed or live_focus, as probably it will eat my system or at very least shoot the app irrecoverably23:59
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RST38hBut Nokia's firmware release process is the same for Symbian and Maemo, and it dictates large, far-in-between updates23:59
ZogGand not app manager+conversation+phtoapp+ blahblah23:59
RST38hZogG: Not how they do it in Symbian ===> not how they can do it in Maemo23:59
ZogGRST38h i mean modular updates, when you have separete pkgs and not whole maemo23:59

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