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| DocScrutinizer | since the days when red pill vanished | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a pity | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | geeks *love* easter eggs | 00:03 |
| d14 | :) | 00:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer starts a tmo thread "1.2 been there since February - you just need the secret code to enable it" | 00:04 | |
| TomaszD | DocScrutinizer, you do know red pill vanished because it would show category user/hidden packages, essentially Ovi Store content | 00:04 |
| TomaszD | :) | 00:04 |
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| Stskeeps | stupidest 'protection' -ever- | 00:05 |
| Macer | haha | 00:05 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: ? | 00:05 |
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| Stskeeps | user/hidden | 00:05 |
| Macer | cmon! red pill was great haha | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | <TomaszD> DocScrutinizer, you do know red pill vanished because it would show category user/hidden packages, essentially Ovi Store content | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | '''''''''''''''protection''''''''''''''' | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | do an apt-get install (ovistoreapp) | 00:06 |
| TomaszD | it won't work | 00:06 |
| TomaszD | apt-worker gets killed | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | until... | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 00:06 |
| Macer | hahaha | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | s/until/unless | 00:06 |
| hawai`i | It's a downstream apt patch | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | and.... | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: nah, worse, .. there's a patch to disallow user/hidden in apt | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | the old source is maemo.org | 00:06 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: wtf.. so does that mean no red pill in mer?! | 00:06 |
| hawai`i | It's easily "reversed" | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | just build a package and downgrade with a fake number | 00:06 |
| hawai`i | MohammadAG, precisely. | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | which I've done :) | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | can't bother with ovi | 00:07 |
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| MohammadAG | pinned apt in /etc/apt/preferences | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm yummy, gimme binary! | 00:07 |
| TomaszD | there is no interesting content to even bother doing all this | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | seriously? sec :P | 00:07 |
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| MohammadAG | TomaszD, true, but I'd avoid HAM whenever i can | 00:08 |
| hawai`i | TomaszD: nothing interesting, but it's not conducive to the point of Ovi Store | 00:08 |
| TomaszD | the biggest bonus for me would be to avoid the atrocious ovi web interface | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13-0m5_armel.deb | 00:08 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ^ | 00:09 |
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| tybollt | Exactly | 00:09 |
| tybollt | is there anything worth even a canned fart in Ovi Store? | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | you'll need to pin apt though | 00:09 |
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| MohammadAG | nope | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | but i restore my installs using apt-get | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | (not the backup app) | 00:10 |
| hawai`i | pin apt? | 00:10 |
| hawai`i | Hold it through dpkg --set-selections | 00:10 |
| * tybollt farts in a can and hands the can to MohammadAG | 00:10 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | hawai`i: that's voodoo, you know ;-P | 00:10 |
| Macer | is cups in dev? | 00:11 |
| Macer | i want cups! :) | 00:11 |
| hawai`i | Macer: nope | 00:11 |
| Macer | damn :( | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | hawai`i, can't bother to read more documentation :) | 00:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer pins hawai`i | 00:11 | |
| * tybollt hands Macer 2cups1grl | 00:11 | |
| Macer | heh | 00:11 |
| hawai`i | DocScrutinizer: it's not wrestling! it's aggresive cuddling. | 00:11 |
| Macer | i want to print from easydeb's openoffice :( | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I want win7 in a virtual machine | 00:13 |
| Shapeshifter | Macer: print to pdf, print pdf somewhere else? thought true... the n900 needs cups | 00:13 |
| Shapeshifter | I mean, printing from it isn't absurd | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | yeah... | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | now with host mode and all | 00:13 |
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| * Shapeshifter puts it on list of packages to port | 00:13 | |
| MohammadAG | optified cups | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | please port hplip as well ;-D | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | WoL + SSH + Static IP = scratchbox OTG | 00:14 |
| GAN900 | TomaszD, only half the story. | 00:14 |
| GAN900 | TomaszD, and the latter half. | 00:14 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: are those the hp drivers? | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep - lol | 00:14 |
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| tybollt | MohammadAG: host mode? o_O | 00:14 |
| * MohammadAG seconds the request | 00:15 | |
| Shapeshifter | meh. I have on my list: cups, urxvt, zsh and curl (with binary) | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | ~hostmode | 00:15 |
| GAN900 | TomaszD, mostly it was removed because we had a discussion and decided it caused way more problems than it was worth. | 00:15 |
| Macer | Shapeshifter: for that i can just print somewhere else in openoffice ;) | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | someone needs to update factoids | 00:15 |
| Macer | why print to pdf? | 00:15 |
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| Macer | that's redundant heh | 00:15 |
| GAN900 | So it was community consensus that got it killed. | 00:15 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: does it work now? | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | someone needs to give infobot a good kick | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | infobot, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652330 | 00:16 |
| infobot | okay, MohammadAG | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | infobot, forget hostmode | 00:16 |
| infobot | i forgot hostmode, MohammadAG | 00:16 |
| tybollt | GAN900: for pre N900 release definitions of "community" then? | 00:16 |
| Macer | haha | 00:16 |
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| MohammadAG | infobot, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652330 | 00:17 |
| infobot | okay, MohammadAG | 00:17 |
| hawai`i | Shapeshifter: cURL isn't done?! | 00:17 |
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| jaem | Hello, #maemo | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | breaking mp-fremantle-generic-pr is like breaking virg.... | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | version numbers, yeah, that | 00:18 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, no. | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | hi jaem | 00:18 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, for about the end of 2009 definition of discussion on maemo-developers. :) | 00:18 |
| hawai`i | <~ Simon BTW, MohammadAG: | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | LOL i know ;) | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | SimorLR | 00:19 |
| hawai`i | Shaddap mister know it all. | 00:20 |
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| tybollt | GAN900: booo | 00:20 |
| tybollt | ok | 00:20 |
| * MohammadAG cries in the corner | 00:20 | |
| GAN900 | tybollt, boo at what? | 00:21 |
| * hawai`i paints MohammadAG into a corner | 00:21 | |
| * MohammadAG flashes a corrupt NOLO and hits hawai`i with a brick | 00:21 | |
| * MohammadAG ships the brick to DocScrutinizer | 00:21 | |
| GAN900 | tybollt, having an open community discussion to remove a feature of dubious usefulness that mostly serves to harm users? | 00:21 |
| tybollt | Uhm are nokia indeed releasing an adaptor cable for OTG on the N8? | 00:21 |
| GAN900 | Clearly, you can't please anybody. | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | yes, in box | 00:22 |
| hawai`i | tybollt: ships with one in the box. | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | ha! beat you to it | 00:22 |
| jaem | In the Fremantle SBox shell, the SBOX_UNAME_MACHINE env variable changes depending on the target, from what I can see. What I'm wanting to do (for convenience, not general use) is to have my QMake project files use the correct architecture of libraries, which are stored in appropriately-named subdirectories. | 00:22 |
| hawai`i | I'll beat you | 00:22 |
| tybollt | Was the argument NOT that shipping such adaptor voids USB certification? | 00:22 |
| tybollt | WHAT IN THE FUCKING FUCK NOKIA? | 00:22 |
| jaem | Is there a better way to do that, either in SBox or QMake itself? | 00:22 |
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| * MohammadAG sees hawai`i immobilized, so he gets out his Javelin | 00:23 | |
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| GAN900 | tybollt, er? | 00:23 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, the argument was that Red Pill should be removed from h-a-m | 00:23 |
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| tybollt | GAN900: I clearly do not agree with you. But I will agree to disagree :) | 00:24 |
| tybollt | GAN900: red pill was (IMHO) certainly very much usefull | 00:24 |
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| MohammadAG | blue pill otoh... | 00:24 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, the issue with USB certification had to do with port selection and hardware issues. | 00:24 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, then you're doing it wrong. | 00:24 |
| GAN900 | Red Pill was never more useful than apt-get. | 00:25 |
| jaem | Out of curiousity, has anyone been working on a third-party apt (GUI) frontend? HAM is fine, and certainly more consumer-friendly than some, but the lack of things like queueing annoys me a bit. | 00:25 |
| jaem | I can use apt-get, but sometimes pointy-clicky is nicer. | 00:25 |
| GAN900 | and quite a bit less when you're someone who has to play "Help the user fix their Red Pill-begotten problems". :) | 00:25 |
| tybollt | GAN900: is HW different on N8 then? | 00:25 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, clearly. | 00:25 |
| dmj726 | I'd like a package management gui with screenshots and such | 00:26 |
| tybollt | meh | 00:26 |
| tybollt | :) | 00:26 |
| jaem | dmj726, there were discussions about things like that. | 00:26 |
| tybollt | then why are people bringing that up? | 00:26 |
| GAN900 | jaem / dmb, danielwilms is working on app downloader. | 00:26 |
| jaem | And there is an app in -devel that has some fanciness like that, but IIRC it doesn't have installation ability | 00:26 |
| dmj726 | I'd probably have more apps if I could find out more about them first | 00:26 |
| GAN900 | dmj726, http://downloads.maemo.org | 00:27 |
| jaem | GAN900, oh right, I've heard of that. Any idea how it's coming along? | 00:27 |
| jaem | ...off the top of your head, I mean - I can go look it up later. | 00:27 |
| zlimvos | sup all, in order to make my n900 ssh server to work i indeed need to create key files on my own right? | 00:27 |
| dmj726 | I've been there...I just often am browsing through the list on my phone. | 00:27 |
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| tybollt | GAN900: Again, it may be a matter of taste, dpkg and apt are there so I guess it's not critical and it doesn't lock users in, but still :) | 00:28 |
| FIQ | Would N900 be able to boot in a live SD session? | 00:28 |
| FIQ | w/a bootloader ofc | 00:28 |
| jaem | FIQ, do you mean just normal booting from a card, as with the N8x0? | 00:28 |
| GAN900 | jaem, slowly | 00:28 |
| FIQ | like that i guess | 00:28 |
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| GAN900 | tybollt, well, if you don't like it, put the patch back in, package your own or create a replacement. | 00:29 |
| Macer | GO KICK SOME BRITISH ASS WILLIAM WALLICE! | 00:29 |
| Macer | oops | 00:29 |
| GAN900 | That's why it's open source. | 00:29 |
| FIQ | uhm | 00:29 |
| tybollt | GAN900: and that's why you will call me a lousy whiner, cause that is what I am :) | 00:29 |
| jaem | Macer, heh... that reminded me of my high school days, when I thought that playing that scene's audio on my TI-83 with headphones was pretty cool. *strokes his N900 and smiles* | 00:29 |
| jaem | Sorry, 83+. 1-bit audio FTW! | 00:30 |
| Macer | jaem: ? | 00:30 |
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| Macer | i'm watching braveheart :) | 00:30 |
| jaem | Macer, yes, and someone hacked the 83+ (digital) link port to play audio. One of the demos was the epic speech from Braveheart. | 00:31 |
| jaem | You just had to plug in a 2.5mm->3.5mm phone plug adapter to the link port, and then plug in headphones | 00:31 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, attack attack attack! | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err huh? | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil1 joined... :p | 00:33 |
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| andyfrommk | exit | 00:34 |
| andyfrommk | whoops | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | / | 00:34 |
| andyfrommk | shoulda typed | 00:34 |
| jaem | andyfrommk, there is no escape from #maemo | 00:34 |
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| jaem | even backslashes don't work ;) | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | there's a channel for that... | 00:34 |
| Macer | jaem: haha | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | I *think* it's #itsatrap | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | I think.. | 00:34 |
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| MohammadAG | not sure if it's freenode | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | +on | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem: 1bit PWM? | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ADPCM | 00:35 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, I wasn't knowledgeable enough back then to actually read the code (I think it was ASM), so I don't know. | 00:35 |
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| jaem | If you give me a few, I'll see if I can get you the link, but it's probably on ticalc.org's download pages somewhere. | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly PCM | 00:36 |
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| MohammadAG | http://rizon.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=824 | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | #DontJoinItsATrap it keep forcing you to join after partitng, not here it seems | 00:37 |
| jaem | It was pretty terrible quality, but that I could recognize the voices after seeing the movie once, months before, and that's running on a 6MHz (?) Z80 caclulator. Heh. | 00:37 |
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| BCMM | what does one use to record audio in an n900? | 00:39 |
| jaem | BCMM, the microphone? | 00:39 |
| jaem | Seriously, though, do you mean as a voice recorder, or for calls/streaming/whatever? | 00:40 |
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| BCMM | jaem: i mean software, to record audio to disk | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem: done this on my first selfbuilt z80 'computer' | 00:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | BCMM: There is 'recorder' or something like that in the repos | 00:40 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, thanks, I forgot the name. | 00:41 |
| BCMM | jaem: for use as a ringtone or as a note to yourself or because you heard a weird noise and wanted to analyse its spectrum when you get home or whatever | 00:41 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: thanks | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: recorder | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ahh SpeedEvil beat me | 00:41 |
| pupnik | how do you record and overdub a few tracks through | 00:42 |
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| tybollt | whom do I ask for a braindead fanboi filter on tmo? | 00:47 |
| jaem | tybollt, GAN900, who then gets annoyed at tyou. :) | 00:48 |
| pupnik | i was going to say, can't you delete your own account? | 00:48 |
| pupnik | (joke! joke!) | 00:48 |
| Xisdibik | DocScrutinizer: theres a reason Speed is in his name ;) | 00:48 |
| pupnik | it would be nice to be able to ignore certain users. -- it is so hard to not be mean and angry | 00:49 |
| Xisdibik | DocScrutinizer: makes you wonder about the second half of SpeedEvil's name too ;) | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It initially came from a competition on a MUD - where several times, I answered a question before it had been asked. | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Whcih was more to do with the fact that the quizmaster was rather predictable. | 00:50 |
| Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: in this mud, were you Lawful Evil, or Chaotic Evil, or Neutral Evil? | 00:50 |
| tybollt | mud? oh dear... | 00:50 |
| pupnik | ahh no finland beat germany in hockey tonight | 00:50 |
| tybollt | so? | 00:50 |
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| tybollt | finland got entirely butfucked by Denmark in hockey the other night | 00:51 |
| Xisdibik | tybollt: that must have been alot of "buts" | 00:51 |
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| tybollt | buttfucked too, yes :) | 00:51 |
| Xisdibik | but are you sure? ;) | 00:52 |
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| tybollt | anyway it was the most misserable performance in hockey history - by Finland :) | 00:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Xisdibik: IIRC it diddn't really do alignment. | 00:52 |
| Xisdibik | AKA, nothing topping America probably :P | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | It's been a while though. | 00:52 |
| Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: then where is the evil part of your name from ;) | 00:52 |
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| * SpeedEvil is really an ex-assasin. | 00:53 | |
| Xisdibik | assassins arnt neccessarily evil :p | 00:54 |
| Xisdibik | many were doing "good" by eliminating "evil" :P | 00:54 |
| jaem | Welcome to #moral-philosophy | 00:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | I know. Then there was the incident with the puppies, and the candy factory, and it kind of stuck. | 00:55 |
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| Xisdibik | haha ok | 00:56 |
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| omar | i'm using find . | grep jpg | xargs rm to try to recursively delete all jpgs from a certain folder but since the file names/directories have spaces it won't work. xargs -0 doesn't work either. what should i do? :) | 01:01 |
| Robot101 | find . -iname \*.jpg -print0 | xargs -0 rm | 01:02 |
| omar | the xargs -0 switch doesn't work on the n900 | 01:02 |
| omar | just gives you a usage error | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | install gnu find | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | and the utils | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | or rm */*jpg */*/*jpg ... | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo Robot101 | 01:03 |
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| hawai`i | omar: are you essentially trying to keep things out of the Gallery? | 01:03 |
| omar | hawai`i, no my album art is screwed up, for just about every single album i have the same stupid jpg shown | 01:04 |
| omar | SpeedEvil, i have the findutils installed already | 01:04 |
| hawai`i | omar: ah. Yes. | 01:04 |
| omar | i tried deleting that jpg manually but it was sitll showing for some reason so i'm just going to wipe them all out ;) | 01:05 |
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| omar | Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/user/MyDocs/.sounds# find . -print | grep jpg | xargs -0 ls | 01:05 |
| omar | xargs: invalid option -- 0 | 01:05 |
| omar | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) multi-call binary | 01:05 |
| omar | Usage: xargs [OPTIONS] [COMMAND] [ARGS...] | 01:05 |
| jaem | hawai`i, hmm... yeah, I had forgotten about the album art issue. Did Nokia do anything about that specifically? (I know you can fiddle with Tracker for the same effect, but I keep forgetting to do it) | 01:05 |
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| jaem | That's actually kind of a silly oversight. | 01:06 |
| hawai`i | jaem: I don't believe so. It's a stupid problem - I store them in the tags, but I had to re-tag my entire collection - PITA. | 01:06 |
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| omar | i think i prepend/append quotes if i pipe the grep to awk but i don't know the expression to do so | 01:07 |
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| hawai`i | `find` doesn't have -f argument either. | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke busybox | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~useless | 01:09 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 01:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~die | 01:09 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 01:09 | |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC busybox awk will also not handle zeros | 01:09 |
| hawai`i | ~breathe damnit! | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | with gawk you can do gawk -v RS=" | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | \000" | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | apt-get install coreutils | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get install find-utils | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get install less | 01:10 |
| hawai`i | how about... | 01:11 |
| hawai`i | append -exec rm {} \; | 01:11 |
| Arkenoi | if rumors about free root fs space are true we will be able to install non-optified gcc, make and stuff there without any fatal consequences | 01:12 |
| Arkenoi | (in pr1.2) | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | find doesn't know that either, err CRAPPYBOX | 01:12 |
| hawai`i | symlink's are perfectly fine, Arkenoi. Why bother? | 01:12 |
| omar | lol | 01:13 |
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| tybollt | Arkenoi: rumours? what rumours? | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: that's rather irrelevant | 01:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: cp / /home/user | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | cd /home/user/ | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | chroot . sh | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah yes - lol | 01:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | and that's fine for building stuff | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 01:14 |
| infobot | i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | If we had a decent /usr partition (and maybe a /var) we'd not need that crap | 01:16 |
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| * DocScrutinizer thinks there's not a single devel at Nokia who knows how nix worked ~20 years ago | 01:17 | |
| hawai`i | Haha | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | they *knew* how to handle storage contrains back in the old days | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Indeed. All you need is a small deck of cards, of r booting using the rear cam. | 01:18 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ttyl | 01:19 |
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| jaem | DocScrutinizer, "back in MY day, I had to walk uphill to school BOTH ways"... :P | 01:20 |
| jaem | I take your point, though... | 01:21 |
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| Macer | oh wtf | 01:23 |
| Macer | i have a goddamn scratch on my screen! | 01:23 |
| Macer | and i don't know how! | 01:23 |
| Macer | i am always so careful with my phone | 01:23 |
| jaem | Macer, :O | 01:23 |
| Macer | it's not a bad one but still | 01:23 |
| Macer | hm. i need to find a replacement part | 01:23 |
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| jaem | It must have been $mythical_mischevious_creature | 01:24 |
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| Macer | yeah | 01:24 |
| jaem | I hate those | 01:24 |
| Macer | there is a way to like... replace the top plastic part of the screen isn't there? | 01:24 |
| tybollt | Macer: ket me know when you do.. I have a scratch too | 01:24 |
| jaem | especially because it takes longer to write that than whatever string that expands to :P | 01:24 |
| tybollt | same thing here | 01:24 |
| tybollt | I had a P1i for several years - no scartcj | 01:24 |
| jaem | Macer, I think so, but I've only heard hear-say | 01:24 |
| jaem | and not much of it | 01:24 |
| tybollt | this thing scartches w/in a coupla months | 01:24 |
| Macer | heh | 01:24 |
| Macer | well... let me see | 01:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | Macer: Adding a screen protector will often reduce the visibility of existing scratches | 01:25 |
| Macer | it looks like something easy to replace | 01:25 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: i should have added one BEFORE the scratch | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: The top part is not especially easy to replace. | 01:25 |
| Macer | but i figured i'd be real safe with it | 01:25 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: seriously? that sucks | 01:25 |
| Macer | it seem slke something that is easy to replace | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: It's $50 or so IIRC - and requires doing something during which DocScrutinizer bricked his phone | 01:25 |
| Macer | do you mean just finding the piece is hard? | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 01:25 |
| Macer | oh | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | installing it is basically a complete dissasemble | 01:25 |
| jaem | Macer, "easy" is not well-defined, anyway | 01:25 |
| Macer | heh | 01:26 |
| Macer | wow that totally sucks | 01:26 |
| jaem | Is there anything you can get that can just smooth it over? | 01:26 |
| Macer | just to replace a piece of front plastic is that serious? | 01:26 |
| Macer | yeah it's not a bad scratch.. but i know it's there :) | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: It's not the front piece of plastic. | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: It's the front half of a touchscreen panel. | 01:26 |
| Macer | oh | 01:27 |
| Macer | :/ | 01:27 |
| omar | had to use this command find . -print | grep jpg | awk '{ print "\"" $0 "\""}' | xargs rm -f | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: this has a front and a back half, some assorted electronic connections, and stuff. | 01:27 |
| omar | hopefully that fixes my album art issue :) | 01:27 |
| Macer | wow :( | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | omar: or rm */*jpg */*/*jpg */*/*/jpg | 01:27 |
| Macer | that suks | 01:27 |
| Macer | let me see about getting a protector | 01:27 |
| omar | didn't know i could do that SpeedEvil | 01:28 |
| omar | but my album art still screwed up, where does it fetch these images? | 01:28 |
| Macer | http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/nokia-n900-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php?s_kwcid=TC|9984|n900%20screen%20protector||S||4917990253&gclid=COn2gubOyKECFSVI5wodlk65dg | 01:28 |
| Macer | wow. that's nice | 01:28 |
| Macer | i think i am going to leave my phone at home and use my G1 til i get an invisible shield for it | 01:29 |
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| omar | i had a screen protector on mine and removed it cause it made the touchscreen pretty damn insensitive | 01:32 |
| omar | and display wasn't very crisp | 01:32 |
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| omar | it was kind of thick though | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | FAIL! *why* I decided to have a short look - seems they start to talk about that IDIOTIC id-pin over and over and over again - OMFG | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >:-(/ | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=652405&postcount=815 | 01:37 |
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| MohammadAG_ | LOL | 01:38 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, it's easier if you imagine them all dying by fire. | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG_ | that's cruel | 01:40 |
| * MohammadAG_ imagines them burning in a fire | 01:40 | |
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| omar | MohammadAG are you a muslim? | 01:52 |
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| ioan | hi. in a script, how do I test that the internet connection is over GPRS and then start a script? | 02:01 |
| ioan | start another script | 02:01 |
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| Mace_N900 | ugh. knowing i have a small scratch on my n900 is hurting me emotionally | 02:04 |
| Mace_N900 | lol | 02:05 |
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| Mace_N900 | damn | 02:06 |
| Mace_N900 | gftp is broken | 02:06 |
| Mace_N900 | too bad | 02:06 |
| Mace_N900 | it wont scroll righgt | 02:06 |
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| MohammadAG_ | relaunched as 2.0 http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | I wonder if it actually works now | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | omar, yeah | 02:08 |
| Mace_N900 | haha | 02:08 |
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| omar | salam alaykam then ;) | 02:09 |
| * MohammadAG_ replies using a notice | 02:10 | |
| MohammadAG_ | Switch back to english, we don't want DocScrutinizer wondering wtf we're talking about :P | 02:10 |
| Ken-Young | The Doctor knows all. | 02:10 |
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| omar | hehe | 02:11 |
| omar | i don't know arabic to be honest | 02:11 |
| omar | well not that much | 02:11 |
| omar | not enough to speak to you in it;) | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | even more that that | 02:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | Ken-Young, we don't wanna lose another N900, you don't want to see DocScrutinizer when he's angry | 02:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | actually you do, he might get host mode fully working | 02:13 |
| omar | how'd we lose the first n900? | 02:14 |
| Ken-Young | I thought he was always angry - knowing that somewhere, someone is overclocking. | 02:14 |
| * omar hides | 02:14 | |
| MohammadAG_ | someone made him angry | 02:15 |
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| Mace_N900 | omg the avatar is a riot | 02:15 |
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| b-man | he turns green when he gets angry xD | 02:18 |
| dAnIeLLL | Mace_N900 what irc client u r using? | 02:19 |
| Mace_N900 | xchat | 02:19 |
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| dAnIeLLL | hmm | 02:20 |
| ManoftheSea | So, I'm starting to think that some of you are actually employees of Nokia or something. | 02:20 |
| derf | Some people in here are. | 02:21 |
| Mace_N900 | hm | 02:21 |
| ManoftheSea | That'd make sense and all, I don't know why I didn't consider it before. | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | ManoftheSea, lol who made you think that | 02:22 |
| Mace_N900 | avatar is great (the cartoon) | 02:22 |
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| ManoftheSea | MohammadAG_: just a general feel. | 02:22 |
| dAnIeLLL | some1 know any app for 3g data control? | 02:23 |
| ManoftheSea | I mean, who'd do this out of love for a pen-testing phone? | 02:23 |
| Mace_N900 | youre wrong | 02:23 |
| Mace_N900 | nokians dont wander amongst the mortals | 02:23 |
| dAnIeLLL | haha | 02:23 |
| b-man | Mace_N900: i use to watch avatar all the time :) | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | dAnIeLLL: Control - how? | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | dAnIeLLL: there is 2g/3g switcher in extras | 02:24 |
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| Mace_N900 | b-man, im watching it with my son | 02:24 |
| ManoftheSea | If you have 3g, why would you want 2g? | 02:24 |
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| ManoftheSea | Just for the power difference? | 02:24 |
| dAnIeLLL | no no | 02:24 |
| Mace_N900 | it cracks me up | 02:24 |
| dAnIeLLL | control data | 02:24 |
| dAnIeLLL | transfers | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 2g also has better latency | 02:25 |
| ManoftheSea | oh. Hmm. | 02:25 |
| ManoftheSea | Do we know how accurate the GPS is? | 02:25 |
| ManoftheSea | I don't know how such things are measured, but I was asked that. | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: It is within the typical accuracy of GPSs | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | +-4m seems about right | 02:26 |
| liori | ManoftheSea: up to 1 meter, depends on weather and amount of satellites visible | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't done any detailed tests | 02:26 |
| ManoftheSea | ok. | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I really, really doubt 1m. | 02:26 |
| ManoftheSea | Yeah, I don't really know what kind of accuracy they were expecting, either. | 02:27 |
| ManoftheSea | The camera puts an exact number in the exif, yeah? | 02:27 |
| liori | I've seen it in my freerunner, with crystal-clear sky | 02:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: Yes. Too exact. :/ | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 | 02:27 |
| povbot | Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places) | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | A nice round number. | 02:28 |
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| ManoftheSea | ok. | 02:28 |
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| ManoftheSea | Hey, I accept if you don't answer these questions... but do we know anything about kismet, airsnort, or using the wireless as an AP? | 02:29 |
| ManoftheSea | I was reading something about only channel 6? | 02:29 |
| ManoftheSea | But is there any functionality to replicate a "MiFi" like device? | 02:29 |
| ManoftheSea | Not just single computer tethering. | 02:29 |
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| liori | ManoftheSea: I don't know about N900, but with Freerunner it was possible only with external wifi card | 02:30 |
| tripzero | there is a mobilehotspot app | 02:30 |
| tripzero | but idk if it works | 02:30 |
| ManoftheSea | that sounds right... extras-devel? | 02:30 |
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| tripzero | yeah | 02:30 |
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| tripzero | it hasn't worked for me | 02:30 |
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| ManoftheSea | What about kismet? Have others gotten it to work? | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | airodump kinda works | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on dchan6 | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | yes, mobile-hotspot works for others | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | I use JoikuSpot, but it kills custom kernels | 02:32 |
| ManoftheSea | yeah, I was reading that chan 6 only. I don't understand the details, but that seemed weird. | 02:33 |
| ManoftheSea | Any reasoning on that? | 02:33 |
| tripzero | does the kernel-flasher in extra's devel install a custom kernel? | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | killing custom kernels? | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | abi issue? | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | well you can use them, but... | 02:33 |
| liori | ManoftheSea: you might be interested in http://www.neopwn.com/ | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | Joikuspot wouldn't work | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | it imports a .ko module | 02:33 |
| ManoftheSea | oh, that is cool liori | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | which doesn't get imported on t-tan's kernel | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | now THAT is evil | 02:35 |
| ManoftheSea | yes, that is cool. | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | can't t-tan use compatible kernel abi version and symbols?? | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart the GUI fool that though changing from light blue to WHITE was a great idea for taskswitcher notification icon | 02:40 |
| * infobot squeezes the GUI fool that though changing from light blue to WHITE was a great idea till the GUI fool that though changing from light blue to WHITE was a great idea turns blue like papa smurf for taskswitcher notification icon | 02:40 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | that's been brilliant | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 02:41 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: :) | 02:41 |
| ManoftheSea | ~lart sum gai | 02:44 |
| * infobot nabs the moon and broadsides sum gai with the sea of tranquility | 02:44 | |
| ManoftheSea | hunh. | 02:44 |
| ManoftheSea | Anyway... | 02:44 |
| ManoftheSea | Does Nokia have an engineering mode for the n900? I don't expect that regular joe can get it | 02:45 |
| ManoftheSea | But if there is one, that seems like an all in one wireless solution, no? | 02:45 |
| ml-mobile | there is an R&D mode, of variable utility | 02:46 |
| ManoftheSea | Yeah, with the flashing keyboard? | 02:46 |
| ManoftheSea | (Disclaimer, I don't know what 'engineering mode' actually means) | 02:46 |
| ManoftheSea | (I think it has to do with figuring out how the cell coverage is doing) | 02:47 |
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| ml-mobile | 90% of all interesting things can be done without special modes beyond root access | 02:48 |
| ManoftheSea | alright. I won't push the issue, since I know it's of dubious merit. | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ManoftheSea: no alas no cellmo EM | 02:49 |
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| ManoftheSea | I don't know what cellmo EM is. I'd just be guessing | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | modem engineering mode | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | R&D just for main linux szstem | 02:51 |
| ManoftheSea | I guessed wrong. | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | modem pretty closed | 02:51 |
| ManoftheSea | Thanks. I'm looking at openBTS now. | 02:51 |
| ManoftheSea | DocScrutinizer51: doesn't surprise me, as it's where people would get into the most trouble. | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | check out pnatd (cmdline) | 02:52 |
| ManoftheSea | I mean... look at how easy backtrax is. | 02:52 |
| ManoftheSea | It has a legit use and all... but I can't deny it's used by skiddies either. | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | whats backtrax? | 02:53 |
| ManoftheSea | backtracks? | 02:54 |
| ManoftheSea | The pen-testing linux distro? | 02:54 |
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| ManoftheSea | or... security-related? | 02:54 |
| ManoftheSea | I guess it does forensics too. | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | heh you're looking at openBTS? cool | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | greet all of them :-)) | 02:55 |
| ManoftheSea | "looking at" is not understanding. | 02:55 |
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| ManoftheSea | anyway... gotta go for now. Talk to you guys later. | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah Harald and Dieter are far above what I know | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway if you talk to harald aka lafPrge then toss a EHLO for me | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | laf0rge even | 02:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | openbts is insanely cool | 02:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | I would love to go to germany for it - but... | 02:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah | 03:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | reminds me... kontorri promised to see what can be done for EM | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | reminds me... kontorri promised to see what can be done for EM | 03:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~seen onenbmap | 03:06 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: i haven't seen 'onenbmap' | 03:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | any howto on debugging kernel? | 03:11 |
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| * jaem just read the scrollback... for reference, "BackTrack" is singular </pedantic> | 03:13 | |
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| Macer | hm | 03:31 |
| Macer | blah | 03:31 |
| dAnIeLLL | wat | 03:34 |
| dAnIeLLL | :D | 03:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ECHAN? | 03:41 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:51 |
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| omar | good mooorning | 03:54 |
| Ken-Young | good evening | 03:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | morning | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ugt | 04:01 |
| infobot | i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 04:01 |
| omar | i wonder if gmail mfe mail will work in pr1.2 | 04:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ask MohammadAG - he testedthe whole 1.2 on scratchbox aiui | 04:03 |
| omar | i have the SDK, how can i launch the 1.2 firmware? | 04:03 |
| MohammadAG_ | quite complicated, and you'll have to reflash when 1.2 comes out | 04:04 |
| MohammadAG_ | I already lost mp-fremantle-generic-pr *sniff* | 04:04 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh well | 04:04 |
| omar | hmm | 04:05 |
| omar | so did you test if gmail mfe worked? :D | 04:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | don't use mfe :) | 04:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | it was basically just a challenge | 04:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | the first time I failed, and DocScrutinizer51 got a virtual IRC beer | 04:06 |
| omar | is there a better to get e-mail pushed to the device? | 04:06 |
| omar | lol | 04:06 |
| omar | i was using nokia messaging then found intellisyncd roasting my cpu | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | Nokia Messaging | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | heh | 04:06 |
| omar | yeah i deleted that | 04:06 |
| omar | battery life went to shit | 04:06 |
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| MohammadAG_ | I have two batteries, and I might order the zaggsparq 2.0 | 04:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | so I don't care about that :P | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | still 14 short of the 3:1 | 04:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | Now, instead of spending time figuring out what time of day is it for every member of the channel, we spend time explaining newcomers benefits of UGT. LOL | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf????? 13 line in 0.1s | 04:08 |
| omar | i have no idea what you two are talking about now | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | me neither | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php <-- ZaggSparq 2.0 | 04:10 |
| omar | yah saw that | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | <MohammadAG_> Now, instead of spending time figuring out what time of day is it for every member of the channel, we spend time explaining newcomers benefits of UGT. LOL <--- from the link above | 04:10 |
| ptl | UGT == UTC? | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | No | 04:10 |
| omar | what's ugt | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | Universal Greeting Time | 04:10 |
| ptl | UTC is the most weird acronym ever. It's inverted. Universal Coordinated Time. | 04:10 |
| ptl | oh | 04:10 |
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| MohammadAG_ | if someone joins, you say morning | 04:11 |
| ptl | We could use stardates from startrek. | 04:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | regardless of the time | 04:11 |
| omar | oh | 04:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | when he leaves you say night | 04:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | <infobot> i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 04:11 |
| ptl | what time is it there, wherever you are, MohammadAG? | 04:11 |
| omar | what if i leave and say "i'm going to class bbl" | 04:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | Tue May 11 04:11:35 IDT 2010 | 04:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | you say night | 04:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | technically that's morning ^ | 04:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | 4AM | 04:12 |
| Termana | And even if its not morning for you when you join - you say good morning and even if its not night for you when you leave, you say good night | 04:12 |
| omar | guess i dunno the idiosyncrasies of irc chat anymore | 04:12 |
| ptl | Seg Mai 10 22:12:34 BRT 2010 | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah time for a decent meal anyway | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lrts call it lunch | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | let's | 04:13 |
| ptl | When I get to 4 AM the hour will be all used up and wasted. | 04:13 |
| omar | weird.. my clock shows 4:52 AM | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ugt ftw | 04:13 |
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| omar | yet i go to time settings it says 5:13 | 04:13 |
| omar | 05:15 AM | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's 5:15 | 04:15 |
| omar | yeah | 04:15 |
| omar | my applet is locked at 4:52 | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | I'm kinda tired | 04:15 |
| omar | what's the applet name? | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | Night #maemo o/ | 04:15 |
| omar | night | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | just killall hildon-status-menu | 04:15 |
| omar | i mean on my desktop :) | 04:15 |
| omar | not my phone | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | Windows? | 04:16 |
| omar | clock-applet | 04:16 |
| omar | no ubuntu 10.04 | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | had an "ewww" ready | 04:16 |
| omar | i just killed osmethign called clock-applet and nothing happened | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh well, next time | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | reboot X | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | :P | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | mh, bugzilla email | 04:17 |
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| MohammadAG_ | sleep will have to wait | 04:17 |
| omar | lol i have like 3 clcok applets runnign invisibly on my top panel | 04:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | WTF?? CTCP time???? | 04:18 |
| dAnIeLLL | already managed to run droid(100%) on N900? | 04:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | now the bd aftermath has its impact | 04:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | how dare you! | 04:21 |
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| MohammadAG_ | I'm off now (again) :P | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | Night | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ppl coming to my desk with bottles of swiss wodka | 04:22 |
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| Termana | MohammadAG, good night | 04:23 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer51, and you drink all that "wodka" obviously | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | oh didn't notice this was still on | 04:23 |
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| MohammadAG | hope the alarm wakes me up | 04:24 |
| asjWrk | don't forget to set it | 04:24 |
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| MohammadAG | if i'm not here by 12 send a fake nuke to IL, the emergency sirens might help | 04:24 |
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| Termana | Turn you speakers up and turn notification sounds on - I'll ping you when you want to be woken | 04:25 |
| Termana | your* | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | last time they didn't though | 04:25 |
| asjWrk | MohammadAG: it's 11:25am right now... | 04:25 |
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| MohammadAG | asjWrk, different time zones | 04:26 |
| MohammadAG | the other side of the globe does exist | 04:26 |
| asjWrk | MohammadAG: you didn't specify... | 04:26 |
| asjWrk | MohammadAG: there's nothing but dragons and deamons | 04:26 |
| MohammadAG | Tue May 11 04:26:23 IDT 2010 | 04:26 |
| emma | is maemo okay? | 04:26 |
| emma | i heard it was merging with something else? | 04:26 |
| MohammadAG | no, it's evil | 04:26 |
| MohammadAG | it eats babies | 04:26 |
| Termana | emma, no - its in the emergency room | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | 12 *what*?? | 04:27 |
| Termana | oh and what he said as well ^^ | 04:27 |
| emma | I like maemo | 04:27 |
| emma | I don't want it to die | 04:27 |
| MohammadAG | 9 AM UTC time | 04:27 |
| ptl | maemo died. Swallowed by meego. | 04:27 |
| Myrtti | you're also a bit out of time | 04:27 |
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| emma | Myrtti: is that the Myrtti i know? | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | emma: you're kidding? | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, i said fake nuke btw | 04:28 |
| emma | DocScrutinizer: no why would I be? Do I seem to not be serious? | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | we don't want a WWIII | 04:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hehe | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | real ones are only a few in my arms chamber | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | o.O | 04:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | too expensive just to wake you | 04:29 |
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| MohammadAG | you torture the N900 with em? | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'll send you a brick | 04:30 |
| asjWrk | MohammadAG: if it's a big enough nuke to .il...then there won't be ww3 | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | N900 brick that is | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | bah | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | fanboys will help | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | emma: sorry, but the maemo/meego merger is so widespred knowledge... | 04:30 |
| emma | i just heard abut it now. sorry. | 04:31 |
| MohammadAG | just say IL is linux and the EU is mac | 04:31 |
| MohammadAG | and watch | 04:31 |
| emma | DocScrutinizer: will it make maemo better? | 04:31 |
| Termana | The n900 is already a brick out of the box. | 04:31 |
| Termana | I keed I keed :P | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | emma: wait a second... | 04:31 |
| ml-mobile | best brick ever | 04:31 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, i keek keek (kick) | 04:31 |
| asjWrk | what's wrong with a brick in your front pocket? | 04:31 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, lol | 04:31 |
| MohammadAG | anyways, night | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | emma: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 | 04:32 |
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| emma | i wish very much i could get something like a n900 but without the phone parts since I have no use for the phone. | 04:32 |
| asjWrk | emma: n800? | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, N810 | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ftw | 04:32 |
| asjWrk | ipad-3g? | 04:32 |
| asjWrk | there are many options... | 04:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~bomb asjWrk | 04:33 |
| Termana | Why not just get the n900... and not use the phone bit? | 04:33 |
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| asjWrk | what makes the n900 rock though is always having the data bit on the phone | 04:33 |
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| asjWrk | anywhere I am, I have access to wikipedia so my wife can prove me wrong | 04:33 |
| Termana | :P | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~kill timriker | 04:34 |
| omar | you mean so you can prove her wrong? | 04:34 |
| asjWrk | omar: it always starts that way | 04:34 |
| Termana | THATS WHAT SHE SAID | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | or whoever asked to remove "offending" factoids | 04:34 |
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| asjWrk | Termana: ??? TWSS abuse | 04:35 |
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| emma | is n800 or n810 not phones? | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, offending? | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | emma: nope | 04:36 |
| Termana | asjWrk, I abusing it whereever I can | 04:36 |
| Termana | abuse* | 04:36 |
| Termana | :P | 04:36 |
| emma | so they are phones? | 04:36 |
| asjWrk | Termana: that's what he said =) | 04:36 |
| Termana | :D | 04:36 |
| Myrtti | my sarcasm generator is working so hard it's overheating, I think it's a signal to do something else than look at IRC | 04:36 |
| omar | emma what do you have against phones? | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: <infobot> profanity -- possibly offensive factoids | 04:36 |
| Termana | Besides cancer inducement | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: ~help | 04:37 |
| asjWrk | omar: doesn't want to the gov't sending phone seeking missles... | 04:37 |
| emma | omar: nothing but i have a phone and all i want in a phone is to send and recieve calls. Nothing else. | 04:37 |
| ptl | emma: N800 and N810 are internet tables, no phone functions. N900 is a tablet with phone functions. | 04:37 |
| Termana | What a useless phone. Pfft send and recieve calls. Who wants to do THAT with a phone? | 04:37 |
| emma | what i ould like is a portable pc for doing quick browsing and listening to media. | 04:37 |
| omar | emma n900 is nice for that :) | 04:37 |
| ptl | emma: N900 can do that for you nicely. | 04:37 |
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| asjWrk | emma: where do you plan to get your data for quick browsing? | 04:38 |
| Termana | emma, full disclosure - we are all on the n900 marketing team | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | emma: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/ not a phone | 04:38 |
| Termana | lol :P j/k | 04:38 |
| emma | wireless access point? | 04:38 |
| asjWrk | I need to write an app that blocks outgoing calls in the n900... | 04:38 |
| emma | i think the ideal thing would be like an ipad-LIKE device with maemo running on it. | 04:38 |
| asjWrk | emma: pita around here, that all want $$$, unreliable | 04:38 |
| Termana | emma, joggler? I think people will be getting MeeGo onto it | 04:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | emma: (portable pc for doing quick browsing and listening) get a N900 - then evetually bin your current ""phone"" | 04:40 |
| omar | emma you can buy the n900 and not put a sim card in it ;) | 04:40 |
| Termana | omar, actually I think that a lie - I thought people were having trouble getting it to start with a SIM | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | omar: but then no data abroad | 04:41 |
| Termana | thats a lie* | 04:41 |
| Termana | without a SIM* | 04:41 |
| Termana | I think i've had some of DocScrutinizer's wodka | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: FUD!!! | 04:41 |
| emma | Termana: is this what you were referring to -- http://www.slashgear.com/o2-joggler-home-media-tablet-price-slashed-0180022/ | 04:41 |
| emma | ? | 04:41 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, Not from me :P I was just saying I THOUGHT | 04:41 |
| b-man | you can buy and run an N900 without a sim - you just can't use the cell functions | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 works great without SIM - just no connectivity abroad | 04:41 |
| emma | can you use the gps | 04:42 |
| b-man | yes | 04:42 |
| omar | yeah | 04:42 |
| emma | it's tempting. | 04:42 |
| omar | DO IT | 04:42 |
| asjWrk | gps lock will be slow | 04:42 |
| Termana | b-man, "can't use the cell functions" without a sim..... obvious statement is obvious? | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | emma: without SIM? No! | 04:42 |
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| omar | gps will be slower without agps | 04:42 |
| emma | you can't use gps without sim? | 04:42 |
| b-man | Termana: duh | 04:42 |
| omar | emma what current phone you have that you love so much? | 04:42 |
| Termana | emma, also yes, that is what I was referring to (o2 joggler) | 04:42 |
| omar | emma you can but with a sim it'll lock on much faster | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | emma: that's a bug in the GPS driver | 04:43 |
| omar | oh you can't? | 04:43 |
| emma | i don't have a smart phone. I just like to call people and receive calls. In fact I just pay like 5 dollars a month for my cell phone. | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | but for now you don't want to use GPS without conectivity | 04:43 |
| b-man | PR1.2 is suppose to fix the gps issue | 04:43 |
| emma | i dont really get why people are getting smart phones instead of hand held pcs. | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | emma: I pay 30$ / month and that's incl 5GB of data traffic | 04:44 |
| omar | wat the hell | 04:44 |
| omar | Doc i pay 30$ a month just for 100 megs/month | 04:44 |
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| omar | my isp here is a rip off | 04:44 |
| omar | err isp + carrier | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously | 04:45 |
| omar | and they like to block off large portions of the intarwebs | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | great arabic wall? | 04:45 |
| omar | yeah | 04:45 |
| Myrtti | *KRRRRUMP* oof, there, see, now my sarcasm generator is broken | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 04:46 |
| omar | i have a vpn though so that issue is kinda moot but i haven't really had the patience to see how to get pptp working on my n900 | 04:46 |
| b-man | Termana: i don't view the N900 as a phone first, if that's why i made that statement ;) | 04:46 |
| b-man | *if that's why you were wondering why | 04:46 |
| Termana | oh right fair enough :P | 04:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ttyl | 04:46 |
| Termana | i guess | 04:46 |
| Termana | cya DocScrutinizer - bring me back something to eat as well :P | 04:47 |
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| emma | Termana: o2 joggler doesn't look like quite hat I want. | 04:47 |
| omar | wat do you want exactly | 04:48 |
| crazyhorss | Hey fellas, having a small problem when i use medial player to display video to tv it doesn't show.... just black screen | 04:48 |
| emma | I think I want this, but I'm not sure if it is real or a hoax --- http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/04/12/the-wepad-gets-a-price-and-launch-date/ | 04:48 |
| emma | imagine if that is real and putting maemo on that baby ♥ | 04:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Maemo will never go on other devices. | 04:49 |
| crazyhorss | irssi and anything else works just fine.. is this a known issue with the app? | 04:49 |
| SpeedEvil | maemo has nokia closed components. | 04:49 |
| SpeedEvil | That form a large part of the UI | 04:49 |
| SpeedEvil | The open parts of course can be used | 04:49 |
| Myrtti | who knows what MeeGo will bring. It is aimed at tablets too, but that's a different discussion | 04:50 |
| Myrtti | move on. | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | crazyhorss: no, usually you should get video from your 3.5mm with the cable that came with N900 | 04:50 |
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| Termana | Which is rather bullshit. I'm not entirely sure you can call it an open source distro, if MOST of it is not OSS - 60% non-free is the statistic I've seen, but Stskeeps has made an actual list somewhere | 04:51 |
| crazyhorss | hey doc. i know but its an avi i ripped and its showing on n900 just fine but wont play on tv for some odd reason | 04:52 |
| crazyhorss | doc, any ideas what might be causing this? | 04:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer suspects Myrtti and emma are left and right half of one brain | 04:52 | |
| Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: hardly | 04:53 |
| crazyhorss | sib works but frame rate is horrble... constant freezing | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crazyhorss: please elaborate on the symptoms | 04:53 |
| emma | No Myrtti is much more intelligent than me :) | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | crazyhorss: usually AV and LCD should be more or less in sync | 04:54 |
| emma | And I think she hates me. | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like classic schizophrenia, emma | 04:55 |
| emma | hehe | 04:55 |
| Termana | For anyone that wants to know the exact statistic for PR1.1 - 57% is non-OSS and 43% is OSS | 04:55 |
| asjWrk | Termana: is that package numbers? kloc? :) | 04:55 |
| crazyhorss | DocScrutinizer: i get the loading dots then tv dots dissapear while n900 still has then 2sec later video starts on n900 | 04:56 |
| Termana | asjWrk, http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | crazyhorss: AV isn't granted for anything but mediaplayer | 04:56 |
| b-man | Termana: Stskeeps keeps the non-OSS/OSS statistics ;P | 04:56 |
| b-man | Termana: it's on a wiki somewhere | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | b-man: exactly | 04:57 |
| Termana | b-man, have you got something in your eye? | 04:57 |
| crazyhorss | DocScrutinizer: just tried another video and it is workingti | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ | 04:57 |
| Termana | b-man, you obviously just missed my last 3 sentences :P | 04:57 |
| asjWrk | DocScrutinizer51: that's bloody conufing | 04:57 |
| b-man | Termana: Stskeeps knows what he is talking about | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | crazyhorss: good news | 04:57 |
| crazyhorss | i decoded in ffmpeg to .avi at 848x480 with 128kb audio | 04:58 |
| b-man | oh, ok | 04:58 |
| crazyhorss | I still get audio | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | asjWrk: check what is a link! | 04:59 |
| crazyhorss | It's an exercise program i wanted to use.. maybe there is some kind of copyrigh that n900 video driver detects?t | 05:00 |
| Myrtti | hate - no. distaste, yes. | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can click on almost everything | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | crazyhorss: strange | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | crazyhorss: you should file a bug ticket, if you can share the video source file | 05:01 |
| omar | u wanna know what's super strange? my skype account doesn't work for skype out on the n900 | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hooooooo scary | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | skype == BS | 05:02 |
| Termana | Thats right DocScrutinizer uses a tin can and a piece of string | 05:02 |
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| omar | olol | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | /mode +q Termana | 05:02 |
| omar | that kind of communication won't work from UAE to USA | 05:02 |
| Termana | :P | 05:02 |
| crazyhorss | DocScrutinizer: alright i guess i will... thanks | 05:02 |
| Myrtti | I vote for cheesecake | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | crazyhorss: thanks for that, mate | 05:03 |
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| ManoftheSea | uh, wupz. | 05:03 |
| ManoftheSea | wrong window, lol | 05:03 |
| ManoftheSea | good night room | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ManoftheSea: beware, shit hits the fan here | 05:04 |
| ManoftheSea | uh, what? | 05:04 |
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| ManoftheSea | I've been around the block. | 05:04 |
| Termana | Thats what SHE said | 05:04 |
| ManoftheSea | I want a $1000 personal GSM network. | 05:04 |
| ManoftheSea | Santa, please put it in my stocking. | 05:04 |
| Myrtti | cheesecake? | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | blaaaaaaaaargh | 05:05 |
| Termana | Myrtti, nomnomnom give me some :P | 05:05 |
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| crazyhorss | DocScrutinizer: so i need to post on bugtrack? | 05:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 05:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crazyhorss: https://bugs.maemo.org | 05:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | have fun, kids | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | daddy doesn't want to get disturbed | 05:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | except a 'ping' maybe - it's a lil tooooo quiet | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF? | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 05:10 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | blablablarg | 05:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | boring | 05:11 |
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| * Termana hands DocScrutinizer the Droid Rubik's Cube solving robot so he can do it in 24 seconds | 05:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | bah, polystyrene in there :-( | 05:15 |
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| * DocScrutinizer spits a few times, then opens the bag with bread and cheese | 05:16 | |
| Termana | are you making a sandwich? | 05:17 |
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| Termana | Better question - are you making ME a sandwich while your at it? :P | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | you forgot sudo | 05:18 |
| Termana | lcukn900, good morning | 05:18 |
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| Termana | sudo make me a sandwich | 05:18 |
| Termana | :P | 05:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://xkcd.com/149/ | 05:19 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, have you seen the robot someone made, that allows you to type "sudo make me a sandwich" at a terminal and it makes a sandwich? | 05:20 |
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| * DocScrutinizer chomps | 05:21 | |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQOkMz3kiS0 | 05:22 |
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| kajko | nice! | 05:25 |
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| omar | i just realized i don't have a toaster... at least i think i don't | 05:28 |
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| ptl | I don't also | 05:31 |
| ptl | too much carbohydrates anyway | 05:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I got a laser | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | microwave | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a propane torch | 05:33 |
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| omar | Doc whatta you do for a living? | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | starve? | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | entertain you? | 05:39 |
| omar | to make money | 05:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | money? not seen any for quite a while | 05:39 |
| omar | oho | 05:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | The envelopes with Nokia's bribes seem to get lost | 05:42 |
| Omar_ | whatre you bribing them for | 05:43 |
| asjWrk | DocScrutinizer: if there were bribes don't you think the symbian deviced wouldn't come with a little atm machine built into them? | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems you missed my point | 05:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | It's not me sending bribes to Nokia - I wouldn't know what for anyway | 05:44 |
| Omar_ | so whatre they bribing you for | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno - the envelopes get lost :-P | 05:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe to fix their hardware? | 05:46 |
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| dAnIeLLL | some1 here run android? | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | blAAAArgh | 05:47 |
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| dAnIeLLL | DocScrutinizer =] | 05:48 |
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| Myrtti | dAnIeLLL: on what? | 05:58 |
| dAnIeLLL | n900 | 05:59 |
| * b-man|n900 runs fedora | 05:59 | |
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| dAnIeLLL | if maemo/meego fails, android save us | 05:59 |
| dAnIeLLL | b-man wow | 06:00 |
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| b-man|n900 | dAnIeLLL: http://b-man.xceleo.org/images/fedora ;) | 06:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart dAnIeLLL the heretic | 06:02 |
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| dAnIeLLL | ^^ | 06:03 |
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| dAnIeLLL | b-man|n900 and calls functions? | 06:04 |
| kajko | so i hear usb host mode is coming to n900? | 06:04 |
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| Funnyfacemob | will probably need some hardware hacking | 06:05 |
| b-man|n900 | dAnIeLLL: not yet, but i can get the gsm modem working - i just need an application that can use it | 06:05 |
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| Funnyfacemob | I don't think the N900 can supply power to the device plugged in | 06:05 |
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| kajko | right | 06:06 |
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| dAnIeLLL | b-man|n900 hmm | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | errr what? | 06:06 |
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| Funnyfacemob | I imagine an N900 hooked up to a TV with, with a usb hub connected, with mouse keyboard, printer etc etc plugged in :P | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ability to read is a clear advantage | 06:08 |
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| b-man|n900 | Funnyfacemob: it'ts a software issue, not hardware issue - minimal host mode has already been achived on the n900 | 06:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~hostmode | 06:09 |
| infobot | from memory, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652330 | 06:09 |
| b-man|n900 | DocScrutinizer51: thanks lol | 06:09 |
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| Funnyfacemob | well sorry if I am talking crap, I just think I remember reading that the USB port can't supply power, but is still capable of serving as a host if you modify a cable to supply power from an external source.. correct me if im wrong. | 06:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | friggin fail | 06:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=649339#post649339 | 06:13 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Funnyfacemob: ^^^ | 06:14 |
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| Funnyfacemob | alrighty, not the same thread that I read but that explains a bit I guess | 06:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Funnyfacemob: btw thanks for closely following - the statement about "IF we can't get 5V for usb, we still can ahve hostmode with a special cable" was exactly my claim in roundabout february | 06:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Funnyfacemob: and it's still true - even better, with such a cable you can even power/charge the N900 while e.g. a kbd is plugged in and active | 06:35 |
| Funnyfacemob | yeah I haven't followed that progress too closely, because I can't see any real use for USB host other than "this is cool", there's still bluetooth :P | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | BT kbd seems to suck | 06:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | compass | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | usb memstick a friend gives to you to copy a file | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for 5 minutes | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | your professional cam with sony memsticks or other non-mmc storage media | 06:38 |
| Funnyfacemob | I have seen VM software that supports tunneling USB over networks, perhaps something similar can be done over wifi | 06:39 |
| Funnyfacemob | if someone would make a tiny device with a wifi nic and a usb port :P | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's a zillion possible setups that work for a particular case | 06:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | all of them involve a bulky set of adapters etc | 06:40 |
| Funnyfacemob | hehe | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | incl a 2nd battery etc | 06:40 |
| Funnyfacemob | the easiest solution is probably.. "bring your laptop" :P | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tbh the best and most compact solution seen so far was "use zour N810 to tether the USB to N900" | 06:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | but we got hostmode now, so ditch all that crap | 06:42 |
| Funnyfacemob | anyway, can bt connect multiple devices at the same time? | 06:42 |
| Funnyfacemob | if not, that's a major drawback | 06:43 |
| hawai`i | Funnyfacemob: Yes. Depends on the profiles though. | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | notclear | 06:43 |
| hawai`i | Funnyfacemob: You can't host to A2DP profiles at the same time | 06:43 |
| hawai`i | Funnyfacemob: but you can A2DP and use the serial profile. Though, sound will come through choppy as you're chewing up the limited bandwidth. | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, yet to proove | 06:44 |
| hawai`i | Uh? | 06:44 |
| hawai`i | DocScrutinizer51: you talkin' to me?! | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 06:45 |
| hawai`i | DocScrutinizer51: N900 we're talking about here? | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 06:45 |
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| hawai`i | Does work. Yep. | 06:45 |
| hawai`i | I've done it numerous times. | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | amazing news | 06:46 |
| hawai`i | Mind blowing. | 06:46 |
| hawai`i | It's actually the reason the Hindenburg went down, believe it or not. | 06:46 |
| Funnyfacemob | what speeds did you achieve with it? | 06:46 |
| hawai`i | Basically un-useable. | 06:47 |
| Funnyfacemob | my past experiences with bt has been roughly 60KB/s | 06:47 |
| hawai`i | I never bothered to check the through-put | 06:47 |
| hawai`i | but anything over 1MB, I don't even bother to send while using A2DP | 06:47 |
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| hawai`i | The ConnectNow widget has improved quite a bit | 06:50 |
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| Funnyfacemob | I'll go get some sleep.. laters | 06:53 |
| hawai`i | Me too. | 06:53 |
| hawai`i | GF is in bed, and I'm out here sitting in the dark. | 06:53 |
| hawai`i | Glad I've got nothing to do this week :D | 06:53 |
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| RST38h | HELO punks | 08:17 |
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| silbo__ | hello | 08:18 |
| silbo__ | Characterization of Silver Kuusik's the Eesti Infotehnoloogia Kolledž second year student. | 08:18 |
| silbo__ | is that a correct sentence? | 08:18 |
| silbo__ | the words aren't in correct order, how would you guys order them | 08:19 |
| silbo__ | Eesti Infotehnoloogia Kolledž is an Estonian school | 08:19 |
| RST38h | it makes no sense | 08:20 |
| silbo__ | lol i know | 08:20 |
| RST38h | Does Silver Kuusik own a student or what? | 08:21 |
| silbo__ | no | 08:21 |
| asjWrk | Characterization of Silver Kuusik, a second year student at the Eesti Infotehnoloogia Kolledž ? | 08:21 |
| silbo__ | can someone help me make this sentence logical | 08:21 |
| RST38h | then the sentence is wrong | 08:21 |
| asjWrk | s/ +/ /g | 08:21 |
| RST38h | silbo: What exactly should it mean? If you know Russian, say it in Russian | 08:21 |
| silbo__ | sorry i don't speak Russian | 08:22 |
| * RST38h starts having suspicions about what "characterization" was supposed to mean | 08:22 | |
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| asjWrk | silbo__: any other language? | 08:23 |
| silbo__ | im writing my caracterization or description, and im from IT kolledž | 08:23 |
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| RST38h | silbo: You are writing a CV? A Resume? | 08:23 |
| silbo__ | I can speak Germany yea | 08:23 |
| silbo__ | no it's not for CV | 08:23 |
| silbo__ | it's not that formal | 08:23 |
| RST38h | What is it for then? | 08:23 |
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| silbo__ | for a Stipendium | 08:23 |
| silbo__ | they told me that i should describe my self | 08:24 |
| RST38h | A ll right | 08:24 |
| silbo__ | so is caracterization OK? | 08:25 |
| ruskie | silbo__, fyi: college if you feel like using the right word ;) | 08:25 |
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| RST38h | silbo: The word Characterization (Characteristic) is not used in English in the same way | 08:25 |
| silbo__ | ok | 08:25 |
| silbo__ | can you find me a better word then xD? | 08:25 |
| RST38h | silbo: I.e. there is no direct analog to XAPAKTEPuCTuKA that you are trying to use | 08:25 |
| RST38h | silbo: I would skip the word completely, just have your name in larger font and the "Eesti ... student" underneath in smaller font | 08:26 |
| silbo__ | hmm, i thought that the first sentence is all about whats in the letter | 08:27 |
| silbo__ | what's | 08:27 |
| RST38h | silbo: They will figure it out from the rest | 08:27 |
| RST38h | silbo: The internet seems to suggest using CV for academic applications of this type | 08:28 |
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| silbo__ | ok, thx for the help | 08:32 |
| RST38h | silbo: Oh, wait, it would look better if you used "X year student at Eesti ... Institute" | 08:33 |
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| silbo__ | i wrote it like that | 08:35 |
| silbo__ | Silver Kuusik, a second year student at the Eesti Infotehnoloogia College. | 08:35 |
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| RST38h | yep | 08:36 |
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| Traveler | Anyone here installed the SSU for Maemo4? | 08:37 |
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| RST38h | you mean community supported ssu? | 08:39 |
| Traveler | ya | 08:40 |
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| RST38h | He! I have found the word! | 08:42 |
| RST38h | silbo: This is ASSESSMENT. Or self-assessment, for that matter | 08:43 |
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| Surfa | how is te 10 days count calculated? as fmms has received new version 8.5. it can't be promoted to extras before 18.? even that relatively stable version was pushed in testing at 4. of may already? | 09:32 |
| Corsac | Surfa: btw, does fMMS add something to the “share picture” tool? | 09:33 |
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| Surfa | Corsac, i have no idea, but it has sharing plugin that adds "MMS" option under the Services when sharing a picture | 09:35 |
| Surfa | if that's what you were looking for :) | 09:35 |
| viliny__ | I noticed fmms seems to add a connection called mms as well... | 09:35 |
| Surfa | viliny__, in certain connection methods yes | 09:36 |
| Surfa | but using havoc mode souldn't do that | 09:36 |
| Surfa | should not | 09:36 |
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| viliny__ | Wish i knew someone who gave a flying fwoop about mms :) | 09:37 |
| Corsac | Surfa: yeah, thanks | 09:37 |
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| pupnik | viliny__: the author of fmms, perhaps | 09:44 |
| pupnik | who happens to be here, frequently | 09:45 |
| viliny__ | pupnik: no i mean i wish i had a base of friends that actually use that tech - i don't know anyone who actively uses mms - it's not that common here | 09:45 |
| viliny__ | which i guess might have to do with the finnish designers to not take it as a priority either | 09:46 |
| pupnik | ah yes very true. no interest in that crap here either. | 09:46 |
| Surfa | many people actually use mms | 09:46 |
| ruskie | I think I in 10 years or so only once received an MMS | 09:47 |
| Surfa | take a scenario, your wife is at shop wanting to buy something and she wants you to see it, how can you share a photo? | 09:47 |
| Surfa | she has no ovi share, no email.. | 09:47 |
| viliny__ | if i take a picture and want to share it i: 1. Use e-mail because i can get a higher quality of picture 2. It's free 3. Receiver is more likely to be able to read his mail than receive an mms | 09:47 |
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| Surfa | e-mail in phones i niche for nerds, crowds don't have it configured | 09:48 |
| Surfa | any other ideas? | 09:48 |
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| viliny__ | Surfa, in my example the recipient is sitting at home when i'm buying my... well in your example a dress. E-mail is plentiful there - but yeah. Phone to phone... idunno. | 09:49 |
| Surfa | this is actually a real life scenario that my colleague had.. he had n900 and what happened was that his wife bought whatever it is with husbands money without showing it :) | 09:49 |
| Surfa | buying some baby stuff from a mall | 09:49 |
| viliny__ | only mms i ever got was animated stupid bunnies at easter or other juvenile shitty humour stuff that i wish i never received | 09:49 |
| Surfa | hey guys, even that you don't use it doesn't mean crowds don't | 09:50 |
| viliny__ | I'm not arguing that | 09:50 |
| viliny__ | this started off by an off remark that the function is very underused in my country | 09:50 |
| Surfa | it's quite widely used and useful feature as almost every phone is mms capable nowadays | 09:50 |
| Surfa | what country may I ask? :) | 09:50 |
| viliny__ | Finland | 09:51 |
| viliny__ | Ah we share the country, how is your friend base then? | 09:51 |
| Surfa | surprise: finland | 09:51 |
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| Surfa | and actually many relatives are sending mms too | 09:51 |
| * pupnik is visiting finland and *loves* it | 09:51 | |
| viliny__ | Where about in Finland are you surfa? | 09:52 |
| Surfa | "here's my lovely grand doughter swinging" | 09:52 |
| Surfa | viliny__, tampere | 09:52 |
| viliny__ | hmmm... ok | 09:52 |
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| Surfa | it's not very advertised, but actually it is very used feature in finland | 09:52 |
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| viliny__ | I reside in the Turku-Helsinki-Hanko triangle for the most part, heading to tampere next weekend for a party though - i'll ask them about mms ;) | 09:53 |
| Surfa | people who have email of course mostly prefer that, but for typical s40/symbian user uses mms quite a lot | 09:53 |
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| Surfa | now that people are used to the thing that they have reasonable camera on the phone and you can actually share what you see with mms | 09:54 |
| viliny__ | Surfa: yeah, i can admit i'm wrong about the popularity - just haven't been subjected to the thing since it came out... Even my GF uses a phone so old that it doesn't support it. | 09:54 |
| Khertan | In order to promote VectorMine to extras i offer 5 licences to the first tester. details on : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652789#post652789 | 09:54 |
| Khertan | Hi ! | 09:54 |
| viliny__ | But now that i thought of that, my EX-EX sent me a lot of pictures via mms so i guess that alone makes me wrong | 09:54 |
| Surfa | viliny__, camera development has probably given big boost for mms as well | 09:55 |
| Surfa | so it's only lately i've noticed that most of my relatives are using it too | 09:55 |
| nid0 | hum | 09:55 |
| pupnik | Just found a sweet little Vietnamese restaurant in Tampere if you want cheap/good food | 09:55 |
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| Surfa | which one? | 09:56 |
| nid0 | Khertan - you've got another thumbs up from me anyway, I tested it back when it first showed up but held off voting because of the package interface bug | 09:56 |
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| nid0 | didnt have any problems with it other than that | 09:56 |
| viliny__ | We went to this small place that lets you build your own meals... in the form of noodles with beef in a cardboard cup thingie | 09:56 |
| viliny__ | in tampere that is | 09:57 |
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| pupnik | Tay Dohttp://eat.fi/restaurant/index/name/ravintola-tay-do | 09:57 |
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| viliny__ | http://eat.fi/restaurant/index/name/ravintola-tay-do | 09:57 |
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| pupnik | :D | 09:57 |
| pupnik | Give me an excuse to go again | 09:58 |
| viliny__ | Those pictures make the meals look like vomit but i guess thats most often the case | 09:58 |
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| pupnik | The vietnamese pancake is interesting and enough for two meals | 09:59 |
| viliny__ | having been there, are there any good parking spots near to that resteurant? | 10:00 |
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| Surfa | yes | 10:00 |
| Surfa | a lot | 10:00 |
| adeus | hey it's tampere | 10:00 |
| adeus | parking is not a massive problem | 10:01 |
| viliny__ | last time i went to tampere, my navigator couldn't tell what a bridge was so that got interesting very fast | 10:01 |
| mece | what the fuck is abill_uk doing in the community section?! Grr argh! | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | 'report post' | 10:01 |
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| Surfa | viliny__, btw. the havoc mode is probably the preferable way you want to use the fmms | 10:02 |
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| pupnik | good suggestions on the mypaint thread mece | 10:03 |
| mece | did I suggest something? | 10:03 |
| Surfa | viliny__, newly created mms apn seems to cause more trouble than hacked havoc mode as automatic connection seems to use mms-apn quite often :| | 10:03 |
| Surfa | so not having an additional mms apn is appreciated | 10:03 |
| mece | Stskeeps, I don't think he is breaking any actual rules. Just being a douche and off topic. | 10:03 |
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| Stskeeps | still | 10:04 |
| mece | yeah ok. | 10:04 |
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| pupnik | hei Addison | 10:04 |
| Addison | Greetings gentlemen! :) | 10:04 |
| Addison | Pupnik! | 10:04 |
| Addison | Heya buddy! | 10:04 |
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| viliny__ | Surfa: Havoc sounded a bit... well chaotic and destructive so i didn't want to choose that :) | 10:05 |
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| Addison | Hey, I'm just here to see if someone would like to waste a little time with me partitioning my memory card and extracting a rootfs file into the ext2 partition. Anyone up for some pain? :) | 10:05 |
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| alterego | Ooo, Opera 10 on the N900, nice, | 10:06 |
| * alterego downloads | 10:06 | |
| pupnik | http://www.zincland.com/powder/index.php?pagename=about Roguelike i am testing. Maybe you can tell me if it is worth a decent build for diablo/fremantle. | 10:06 |
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| alterego | Has portrait mo0de, this will be interesting :) | 10:06 |
| Surfa | viliny__, you may feel that yes, but it hasn't caused any trouble yet.. but aggressive mode actually has :) | 10:07 |
| Addison | Hey pupnik, I've got ukki's Angband newest Angband port that he never bothered sharing with anyone. Interested? | 10:07 |
| Scifi_ | Hi, first time uploader here. Autobuilder says the status is OK but I can't see the app in extras-devel. Where can I check whats going on? | 10:07 |
| pupnik | alterego: url / Addison - sure | 10:07 |
| pupnik | yeah Addison | 10:07 |
| alterego | pupnik: http://labs.opera.com/news/2010/05/11/ | 10:08 |
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| alterego | No, flash, has it's own VKB currently, no power management | 10:08 |
| adeus | whee now I hae 4 browsers on the phone | 10:08 |
| Addison | It's 1.7 MB, pupnik. Where can I send it? | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | opera mobile 10 for n8x0 too? | 10:08 |
| alterego | Yup | 10:09 |
| alterego | We've not had Opera on a tablet since the 770! RETRO! | 10:09 |
| alterego | :D | 10:09 |
| pupnik | *sweet* alterego | 10:09 |
| alterego | I'm actually excited :D | 10:09 |
| pupnik | Addison: maybe take it to #knots? | 10:09 |
| alterego | (I actually don't use Opera at all mind) | 10:10 |
| alterego | Though it was quite nice on my N95 *G & N96 | 10:10 |
| Addison | Okay. Heading there now. :) | 10:10 |
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| mece | Hey opera! Cool! | 10:10 |
| mece | not that I need it, but the more the merrier. | 10:10 |
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| Scifi_ | never mind. got it :) | 10:11 |
| alterego | mece: I'm interested in performance, if it performs better I'll keep it on there :) | 10:11 |
| TigerTael | alterego, how is it going? | 10:11 |
| alterego | TigerTael: how's what going? :P | 10:11 |
| TigerTael | Opera? | 10:12 |
| alterego | It's not downloaded yet :P | 10:12 |
| TigerTael | I see flash isn't supported. ;/ | 10:12 |
| alterego | St00pid 2G connection. | 10:12 |
| alterego | TigerTael: I'm sure it'll be in their next release. | 10:12 |
| alterego | Might be worth having a look to see if you can hack Flash support to work. | 10:13 |
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| alterego | Not sure how Opera manages it though. | 10:13 |
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| alterego | Okay, I'm gonna try downloading it now I've tethered my phone to my laptop's ADSL :) | 10:15 |
| alterego | Much quicker :D | 10:15 |
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| mece | are there any social media aggregators (or what the hell you call it) on n900? | 10:18 |
| * mece is talking about software that bundles a bunch of social media networks into one app | 10:18 | |
| Appiah | a what now? | 10:18 |
| Appiah | oh | 10:19 |
| Appiah | Wasent there in maemo select or in ovi store? | 10:19 |
| Appiah | I avoid these apps since I dont have any of the social media crap | 10:19 |
| Appiah | But I'm sure I've seen that kind of stuff on the n900 | 10:19 |
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| petteri | opera is sweet it has even nice keyboard for portrait mode :) | 10:20 |
| alterego | petteri: I know! :D | 10:20 |
| alterego | Thisis neat. | 10:20 |
| mece | wow | 10:20 |
| mece | that is sweet. | 10:21 |
| Nitial | Isn't the whole telepathy framework/conversations the social media aggregator? :) | 10:21 |
| fraggeln | mece: Hermes? | 10:21 |
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| Appiah | mece: http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/applications/friendstatus/ this | 10:21 |
| alterego | quick too ... | 10:21 |
| alterego | Little bit of tearing when scrolling, but apparently that'll be fixed. | 10:21 |
| alterego | I really like it. | 10:21 |
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| fraggeln | mece: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/hermes/ | 10:21 |
| Appiah | is that not only for syncing the contacts fraggeln ? | 10:22 |
| petteri | should thank those opera devs since the blog says that they did this with their spare time :) | 10:22 |
| mece | fraggeln, thanks, I'll check that out. | 10:22 |
| fraggeln | Appiah: I have no clue :) | 10:23 |
| mece | petteri, I agree. Perhaps we will see an official release too someday. | 10:23 |
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| alterego | Heh, opera just crashed :( | 10:23 |
| mece | hee | 10:23 |
| Appiah | http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/applications/friendstatus/ <-this seams to be for interacting | 10:23 |
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| Appiah | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/hermes/ | 10:23 |
| Appiah | thats for sync | 10:23 |
| Appiah | (I could be wrong) | 10:23 |
| alterego | If you have it, try this, zoom in by tapping on an area (in portrait) then rotate the device to make it landscape. | 10:24 |
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| alterego | Does that reproduce it?? | 10:24 |
| wog_ice16 | hi | 10:24 |
| alterego | Strange, didn't crash this time. | 10:24 |
| alterego | I especially like the "small" interface. Quite usable and less screen estate. | 10:25 |
| mece | Appiah, thanks. | 10:26 |
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| alterego | Ooo, and "Opera Link" for sync between devices | 10:27 |
| alterego | Oh, really like the tabs/dashboard thing. | 10:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | ping | 10:31 |
| timeless_mbp | please load: http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/t5/Maemo-Devices/Install-certificate-on-the-N900/m-p/# | 10:31 |
| ruskie | *KLANG* | 10:32 |
| timeless_mbp | please click "Get support and software" at the top of the page | 10:32 |
| ruskie | An Unexpected Error has occurred. | 10:32 |
| ruskie | erm | 10:32 |
| Corsac | # An Unexpected Error has occurred. | 10:32 |
| timeless_mbp | try again? (repeat until their server logs fill up) | 10:33 |
| ruskie | why? | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i actually get: | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | Forbidden | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | You don't have permission to access /get-support-and-software on this server. | 10:33 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | so i want to know why i'm special | 10:33 |
| ruskie | timeless_mbp, hmm are you logged in? | 10:33 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: we can't even access the initial page | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: MWKN should definately look at the opera mobile 10 news :) | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | no, i couldn't figure out how to do that either | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | try loading: http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/t5/Maemo-Devices/Install-certificate-on-the-N900/m-p/585095# | 10:34 |
| Corsac | but http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/get-support-and-software is 403 here too | 10:34 |
| ruskie | same | 10:34 |
| timeless_mbp | does my last url work ^ ? | 10:34 |
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| pupnik | http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/ scroll down 1/3 of page to get some interesting pictures (good for work!) | 10:34 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: yes | 10:35 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: URL? | 10:35 |
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| ruskie | pupnik, nice ones | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52373 | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: even for N8x0 | 10:36 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: now click "Get support and software" ? | 10:36 |
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| Corsac | timeless_mbp: 403 again | 10:39 |
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| alterego | Corsac: are you in the UK? | 10:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | Corsac: can you repeat for a while and then call them in 20mins to explain that the user experience sucked? | 10:40 |
| Corsac | alterego: fr | 10:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | well, anyone in .uk? :) | 10:40 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if the phone number is skypable | 10:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | nope, not skypeable :( | 10:41 |
| alterego | I'm in the UK | 10:41 |
| ruskie | there are non-skypeable phone numbers? | 10:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | ruskie: .eu numbers that start: 0800 and .us numbers that start 1800/1866/1877/1888 are skypeable from anywhere in the world for 0CUR | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | although sometimes skype is busy | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but i've been using skype for over a year and had my first failure w/ that last night | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | you're welcome to pay skype to call someone anywhere in the world, of course | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'd feel bad asking you to do so | 10:43 |
| TigerTael | timeless, got a free number for me to test? :D | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | +1800555TELL | 10:43 |
| alterego | Well, I tried installing the flash plugin manually for opera, no worky :( | 10:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | try: news, technology, main menu, weather, 20210, main menu, entertainment, movies, **, travel, airlines, delta | 10:44 |
| ruskie | timeless_mbp, I guess I just don't bother with skype at all | 10:44 |
| timeless_mbp | TigerTael: that path should work, although at about 5mins they'll probably cut you off, just redial and continue :) | 10:44 |
| timeless_mbp | note that they don't cut you off during a transferred connection | 10:44 |
| timeless_mbp | (movies, airlines>*, hotels>*) | 10:45 |
| TigerTael | ah. | 10:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway, when you get tired you can use 'go back' | 10:45 |
| TigerTael | let me test | 10:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | there's also +18005551212 | 10:45 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc tell me still has driving directions too | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | but as i'm not in .us, it isn't as useful | 10:46 |
| TigerTael | sweet, works | 10:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | i use most of 'news' on my way to work | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | they used to let you select 'favorites' which would play through your favorites w/o requiring interaction | 10:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | but they broke it a while ago :( | 10:47 |
| TigerTael | I never knew I could call those numbers for free. | 10:47 |
| TigerTael | But there's a 5 minute limit? | 10:47 |
| timeless_mbp | http://blogs.skype.com/en/2005/07/free_calls_to_tollfree_phone_n.html | 10:47 |
| timeless_mbp | the 5 minute limit is on tell me's side, not skype | 10:47 |
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| TigerTael | okay cool! | 10:48 |
| TigerTael | Thanks timeless_mbp! | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think it's precisely 5 minutes | 10:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | and again, if they gateway you to someone else, they won't cut you off until you return | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and they never cut you off while you're using an item | 10:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's just when you're done w/ something | 10:48 |
| TigerTael | I just never knew that about skype... | 10:49 |
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| dotblank | Check out the app im building.. | 10:50 |
| dotblank | http://imgur.com/19EVM.png | 10:51 |
| dotblank | using this app as a way to learn qt | 10:51 |
| ruskie | what does it do? | 10:51 |
| alterego | Searchs and plays songs obviously ruskie :P | 10:51 |
| dotblank | Its a grooveshark client | 10:51 |
| Corsac | what's grooveshark? | 10:51 |
| alterego | Internet radio | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, i'm limited to 10,000 minutes / month | 10:52 |
| dotblank | http://listen.grooveshark.com/ | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i suppose i should figure out how that works out | 10:52 |
| dotblank | actually I fiqured out how the client-server communication all works.. | 10:52 |
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| dotblank | im going to pretend to be the flash client | 10:53 |
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| furunk3l | y helo thar! | 10:53 |
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| alterego | IS Opera Turbo the proxy version? | 10:57 |
| alterego | Where you go through Opera's server's to get a customised "experience"? | 10:57 |
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| adeus | yes | 10:59 |
| alterego | Though so, cool. | 10:59 |
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| jacekowski | opera for maemo? | 11:00 |
| adeus | yes | 11:00 |
| alterego | jacekowski: http://labs.opera.com/news/2010/05/11/ | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | WOW | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | i'm in love | 11:00 |
| alterego | jacekowski: try it, it's really good even in Alpha | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | i want to make kids with it | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | that's a good question | 11:01 |
| jacekowski | where is my phone | 11:01 |
| alterego | Though, I had to install it manually. | 11:01 |
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| adeus | now you start looking for the phone to call it to find it | 11:01 |
| jacekowski | now | 11:01 |
| jacekowski | no | 11:01 |
| jacekowski | i have phone on my desk | 11:01 |
| jacekowski | which i recently cleaned up | 11:02 |
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| jacekowski | but there is one annoying thing with n900 | 11:02 |
| jacekowski | when i go to work i use fm transmitter to play some music in my car | 11:03 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes alterego | 11:03 | |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: did you try that web site? | 11:03 |
| jacekowski | then i just pause media player when i get to work | 11:03 |
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| jacekowski | and after 1st phone call mplayer unpauses itself ( with fm tx disabled ) | 11:03 |
| dotblank | jacekowski, then you get a phone call and the music resumes? | 11:03 |
| dotblank | yea I know | 11:03 |
| dotblank | that is annoying | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | that's so annoying | 11:04 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: thanks | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | in middle of meeting or something | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | phone on silend | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: is there a bug filed? | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | silent | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: probably yes | 11:04 |
| dotblank | silent profile doesn't stop media player | 11:04 |
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| jacekowski | i know | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: can you switch from probably to 'yes'? | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | (find or file a bug) | 11:04 |
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| jacekowski | i'll check | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 11:05 |
| Corsac | that'll hold 1.2 more! | 11:05 |
| * Corsac giggles | 11:05 | |
| timeless_mbp | please don't assume we know about bugs | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | we're really not that bright | 11:05 |
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| dotblank | jacekowski, if you modify the pulseaudio policy I think you can add it to a sink that will get muted in the silent profile mode | 11:05 |
| * timeless_mbp points to nokia's uk website | 11:05 | |
| jacekowski | it looks like there is no bug filed | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | like the idiots running this support number interrupt the song more than once a minute, or so it seems :( | 11:06 |
| dotblank | jacekowski, it also happens with the headphone deamon | 11:06 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: are you implying that n900 doesn't have included mind readers which will report bugs automagically? | 11:06 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: yep | 11:06 |
| Corsac | pff, that device sucks! | 11:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | the feature was causing too many product delays! | 11:06 |
| dotblank | im really liking this Qt thingy | 11:06 |
| dotblank | Qt creater is a sick ide | 11:07 |
| TomaszD | oh boy oh boy, opera mobile for maemo :) | 11:07 |
| dotblank | when thext release comes out.. it will be awesome.. | 11:07 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, my hold music died | 11:07 |
| dotblank | all my newly made apps will work | 11:08 |
| timeless_mbp | but there's no one on the line | 11:08 |
| timeless_mbp | (it happened around the 5min mark) | 11:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | and resumed at 6:20 | 11:09 |
| Corsac | ¬¬ | 11:09 |
| timeless_mbp | so i guess they had a 90second pause for the music | 11:09 |
| timeless_mbp | that was nice of them | 11:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | and they hung up on me? | 11:10 |
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| ZogG_N900 | hey | 11:11 |
| jacekowski | but going back to that music unpausing | 11:11 |
| ZogG_N900 | anyone awake here? | 11:11 |
| jacekowski | that's very annoying | 11:11 |
| jacekowski | when you are in the meeting or something | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | ah, looks like my SIP presence died | 11:11 |
| ZogG_N900 | jacekowski, yeap that bug is annoying | 11:11 |
| ZogG_N900 | is it me or extra dev is down? | 11:12 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 11:12 | |
| * ruskie ponders if it should be worth getting a webkit 1.2 deb and uzbl on the n900 | 11:13 | |
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| timeless_mbp1 | hrm | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp1 | maybe my wifi ap hickup'd :( | 11:14 |
| Shapeshifter | nokia dude who designed the stand on the n900 is a bit dim. well, not the first time this is mentioned I guess ^^ | 11:15 |
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| flashn | haha | 11:16 |
| flashn | the stand is fail | 11:16 |
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| Stskeeps | the stand is just a hiding place for the cover magnet | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:16 |
| Shapeshifter | well I like it better then no stand, but it's completely fail designed | 11:16 |
| Mece | hey, is there a way to send only text through pixelpipe on n900? | 11:16 |
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| budfive | the n900 opera port is amazing! | 11:19 |
| ruskie | hmmm that was a solution for getting a more working perl on the n900... scped over the perl 5.8.3 from scratchbox to /opt/perl and then bound mounted it... then only lacked one .pm and I had backup-manager working yay | 11:19 |
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| jacekowski | what's a current fw version? | 11:21 |
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| jacekowski | 2010.02-08? | 11:21 |
| jacekowski | or is that 1.2? | 11:21 |
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| ruskie | isn't that 1.1.1? | 11:21 |
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| jacekowski | i'm asking | 11:21 |
| ruskie | yup | 11:23 |
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| jacekowski | ~bug 10154 | 11:27 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10154 Music resumes after phone call | 11:27 |
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| jacekowski | ZogG_N900 dotblank | 11:27 |
| pupnik | ruskie: help fix for everyone? | 11:28 |
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| ruskie | pupnik, it's probably not the best solution | 11:28 |
| ZogG_N900 | what | 11:28 |
| ZogG_N900 | i was here and not here | 11:28 |
| ruskie | lol... that a weird bug | 11:28 |
| ZogG_N900 | ruskie, \o/ | 11:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | opera \o/ | 11:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | maemo \o/ | 11:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | summer \o/ | 11:29 |
| ruskie | ZogG_N900, bored? | 11:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | so is extra dev is down? | 11:29 |
| ruskie | no clue | 11:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | ruskie, have u ported any client for xmms2? | 11:30 |
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| ruskie | ZogG_N900, only built the xmms2-scrobbler | 11:31 |
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| ruskie | ZogG_N900, not packaged | 11:32 |
| ruskie | I more or less gave up on bothering with it | 11:32 |
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| ruskie | not in the mood to learn how to backport debhelper 7 builds to deb5 or whatever ancient stoneage version is used | 11:32 |
| pupnik | ruskie: I could use an app that lets me shuffle through my music library and delete mp3s | 11:32 |
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| pupnik | just change compat from 7 to 5 and if it breaks, give up | 11:33 |
| ruskie | that's what I generally do | 11:33 |
| ruskie | I'll probably try to get checkinstall working and just abuse that to generate packages | 11:33 |
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| dotblank | jacekowski, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7415 | 11:34 |
| povbot | Bug 7415: When accepting a call, music playback not paused & keeps on playing muted | 11:34 |
| dotblank | sorta similar | 11:35 |
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| ruskie | the main problem with all these bugs is... it doesn't actually interact with the mediaplayer | 11:37 |
| ruskie | it only mutes the pulse player group | 11:37 |
| ruskie | and probably all others as well other than the comm one | 11:37 |
| ruskie | so it doesn't interact with anything else | 11:37 |
| dotblank | no.. headphone deamon pauses.. then the player is resumed | 11:37 |
| dotblank | it is not muted | 11:38 |
| ruskie | yes | 11:38 |
| ruskie | but that's an extra tool that interacts | 11:38 |
| ruskie | it's not core to the phone app | 11:38 |
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| dotblank | no but the phone app goes to the media player and resumes.. it is not a function of headphone daemon to resume after call | 11:39 |
| ruskie | it is | 11:39 |
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| dotblank | well then the bug is in headphone deamon | 11:39 |
| dotblank | daemon* | 11:40 |
| ruskie | the headphone daemon is third party isn't it? | 11:40 |
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| ruskie | headphoned <-- yeah this is third party not nokia | 11:40 |
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| dotblank | right.. but im still not certain | 11:41 |
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| dotblank | just cause you say its headphoned doesn't mean it is.. I guess it needs to be debugged to find out whats really going on | 11:41 |
| dotblank | headphoned's only purpose is to pause on headphone removal | 11:42 |
| ruskie | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?group_id=1092 | 11:42 |
| ruskie | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=5302&group_id=1092&atid=4099 | 11:42 |
| ruskie | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=5415&group_id=1092&atid=4099 | 11:42 |
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| dotblank | ruskie, hmm I see. Where these implemented says the bug is still open | 11:44 |
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| ruskie | the phone app as said simply tells pulse to mute all other streams and then unmutes them to the previous state | 11:45 |
| ruskie | since without headpohend music just keeps playing but muted | 11:45 |
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| dotblank | right | 11:45 |
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| dotblank | I guess it just needs someone to submit a patch or something | 11:46 |
| dotblank | for headphoned | 11:46 |
| ruskie | I wonder if it supports running arbitrary commands yet | 11:46 |
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| ruskie | hmm doesn't seem to yet | 11:47 |
| jacekowski | ruskie: and it unpauses media player after call | 11:48 |
| ruskie | jacekowski, the phone app doesn't pause anything | 11:49 |
| jacekowski | so mplayer unpauses itself after a call | 11:49 |
| ruskie | who unpauses? the phone app? or headphoned? | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | i don't have headphoned | 11:50 |
| dotblank | ok... | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | so it's either phone app or mplayer | 11:50 |
| ruskie | it mutes | 11:50 |
| dotblank | this is weird.. I looked at headphoned's source and it sends no unpause or resume signals | 11:51 |
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| jacekowski | I DON'T HAVE FSCKING HEADPHONED AND IT STILL HAPPENS | 11:51 |
| dotblank | jacekowski, it resumes with playback from headphoned | 11:51 |
| dotblank | jacekowski, these are two differant bugs now | 11:51 |
| ruskie | jacekowski, how do you know it pauses? | 11:51 |
| ruskie | and not just mutes? | 11:51 |
| dotblank | ruskie, he says it mutes | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | i don't know | 11:51 |
| ruskie | dotblank, he doesn't | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | i have media player paused | 11:51 |
| dotblank | ruskie, lol | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | i go to meeting with phone on silent | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | somebody calls me | 11:52 |
| jacekowski | i ignore him | 11:52 |
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| dotblank | right in that way they are the same bug.. | 11:52 |
| jacekowski | and then it starts | 11:52 |
| dotblank | because phone app resumes | 11:52 |
| dotblank | regardles | 11:52 |
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| jacekowski | media player is unpaused for some reason | 11:52 |
| ruskie | hmm I see the bug now... gah... need to read better | 11:52 |
| dotblank | I looked at headphoned's source and it isn't resuming it. so its either media player or phone | 11:52 |
| pupnik | <BTAxis> I dreamt there was a program called "goodbye world", which actually destroyed the world. | 11:53 |
| ShadowJK | isn't the resume known bug? | 11:53 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: yes | 11:53 |
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| jacekowski | but nobody reported it | 11:53 |
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| jacekowski | well | 11:53 |
| jacekowski | i did 20 minutes ago | 11:53 |
| jacekowski | ~bug 10154 | 11:54 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10154 Music resumes after phone call | 11:54 |
| ruskie | dotblank, you sure it doesn't just toggle a state? not send an explicit resume | 11:54 |
| ruskie | dotblank, a lot of apps use the same pause signal for both play and pause | 11:54 |
| ruskie | it could be though that either mediaplayer listens for a phone hangup signal or phone app actually sends a resume | 11:55 |
| dotblank | osso_rpc_run(headphoned->osso,MEDIA_SERVER_SRVC,MEDIA_SERVER_PATH,MEDIA_SERVER_INTF,"pause",NULL,DBUS_TYPE_INVALID); | 11:55 |
| jacekowski | ruskie: well it happens only once | 11:55 |
| jacekowski | and then if you pause it again | 11:55 |
| ruskie | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7415 <-- but jacekowski this is according to some other bug... the music only gets muted | 11:55 |
| povbot | Bug 7415: When accepting a call, music playback not paused & keeps on playing muted | 11:55 |
| jacekowski | it doesn't happen | 11:55 |
| jacekowski | FFS | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | read the fucking bug | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | i pause it myself | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | and it resumes hours later | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | after a phone clal | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | call* | 11:56 |
| ruskie | jacekowski, yes I read that | 11:56 |
| ruskie | no need to be insulting | 11:56 |
| ruskie | but I'm looking at it from a differnt point of view | 11:56 |
| ruskie | trying to see what might be the prob | 11:56 |
| dotblank | jacekowski, yup and its when you hangup / terminate the call it actually resumes media player | 11:56 |
| ruskie | because due to that other bug it should just mute | 11:56 |
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| dotblank | ruskie, no.. this is differant... his music is paused BEFORE he gets call manually | 11:57 |
| ruskie | has anyone actually dbus-listened for after call signals to see what might be triggering it? | 11:57 |
| ruskie | dotblank, yes I know | 11:57 |
| dotblank | I can do that right now | 11:57 |
| dotblank | h/o | 11:57 |
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| alterego | Erm, hasn't the photo's application alwayus had a bulk share feature? | 11:58 |
| alterego | This guy is mentioning it's in the leaked FW | 11:58 |
| ruskie | alterego, hmm I don't recall bulk share | 11:58 |
| ruskie | what leaked fw? | 11:58 |
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| dotblank | ruskie, what package has that tool. I recently reflashed and don't have it anymore | 11:59 |
| alterego | The leaked N900 PR1.2 firmware | 11:59 |
| viliny__ | ruskie, i guess he means the pr 1.2 that leaked out | 11:59 |
| dotblank | ruskie, nvm its called dbus-monitor | 11:59 |
| ruskie | it leaked out? OMG!!! save it save it save it... ;) | 11:59 |
| alterego | You just open photo's: menu -> share images. and away yougo .. | 11:59 |
| alterego | I've had it from at least 1.1.1 (which is what I'm on now) | 12:00 |
| ruskie | gah need to dig up the code for the cli sharing thingy | 12:00 |
| anger | anyone tested 1.2? | 12:00 |
| alterego | anger: you're unlikely to get a response from that question in here. | 12:01 |
| anger | hehe | 12:01 |
| anger | just wondering about updates for MfE | 12:01 |
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| anger | and of course wlan with peap and mschapv2 | 12:02 |
| dotblank | ruskie, jacekowski it didn't trigger for me on call termination | 12:02 |
| alterego | Well, 1.2 hasn't been released yet anger :) | 12:02 |
| dotblank | like it didn't resume.. jacekowski what firmware are you using? | 12:03 |
| alterego | No one can truthfully say that the leaked FW is 1.2 :P | 12:03 |
| alterego | In fact, we know it isn't 1.2 :) | 12:03 |
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| anger | alterego: yep | 12:03 |
| dotblank | I KNOW this used to happen | 12:03 |
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| ruskie | dotblank, so you can't reproduce the bug? | 12:04 |
| dotblank | ruskie, not on my firmware.. I recently reflashed... I want to know jacekowski version | 12:04 |
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| ruskie | dotblank, it's in the bug | 12:04 |
| ruskie | 3.2010.02-8 | 12:05 |
| ShadowJK | I'm pretty sure I've seen "music resumes after call" bug on bmo before.. | 12:05 |
| ruskie | ShadowJK, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7415 this maybe? | 12:05 |
| povbot | Bug 7415: When accepting a call, music playback not paused & keeps on playing muted | 12:05 |
| ShadowJK | no not that | 12:05 |
| dotblank | ruskie, ok I am running that version.. maybe it has more conditions | 12:05 |
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| ruskie | dotblank, hmm and you have headphoned or not? | 12:09 |
| dotblank | ruskie, well I can't seem to reproduce it | 12:09 |
| dotblank | ruskie, I tried it with both | 12:09 |
| ruskie | ahh | 12:09 |
| ruskie | ok | 12:09 |
| dotblank | not reproduceable with the specified criteria | 12:09 |
| dotblank | But its weird in that I have observed this behaviour | 12:10 |
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| ruskie | dotblank, hmm according to jacekowski it happens only one time then it works as expected apparently or so I understood him further up in the backbuffer | 12:12 |
| ruskie | might need a freshly rebooted system for it to happen | 12:12 |
| dotblank | im about 99% sure it isn't headphoned | 12:13 |
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| ruskie | could be some stray double signal that isn't consumed on the first go | 12:13 |
| ShadowJK | do you have mediaplayer widget? | 12:13 |
| dotblank | yes | 12:14 |
| ShadowJK | try remove that | 12:14 |
| ShadowJK | (from desktop) | 12:14 |
| jacekowski | i'm 100% sure that it's not headphoned | 12:14 |
| jacekowski | because i don't have it | 12:14 |
| ShadowJK | I vaguely remember that widget mentioned in the bugreport that apparently doesn't exist | 12:14 |
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| ruskie | jacekowski, if I understood your earlier comment it happens for the first time but after that it works as it should? | 12:15 |
| jacekowski | apparently | 12:15 |
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| jacekowski | i'll have to do some more testing | 12:15 |
| dotblank | jacekowski, im having trouble reproducing it. Are you able to reproduce it? | 12:15 |
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| dotblank | jacekowski, if you are can you run dbus-monitor | tee debug.txt during the event | 12:16 |
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| jacekowski | just give me a sec to restart phone | 12:16 |
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| jacekowski | besides? | 12:16 |
| jacekowski | besides... | 12:16 |
| jacekowski | why tee? | 12:16 |
| dotblank | well if you want you can just > | 12:17 |
| dotblank | but i assume your curious | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | > something would work | 12:17 |
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| dotblank | AH! | 12:19 |
| dotblank | I just spilled mountain dew all over my desk | 12:19 |
| dotblank | this NEVER happens | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp1 | never say never! | 12:19 |
| dotblank | some got on my bed | 12:19 |
| ruskie | lol | 12:19 |
| ruskie | sucks | 12:19 |
| dotblank | it was one inch away from my caseless computer | 12:20 |
| alterego | Gutted. | 12:20 |
| alterego | And lucky :P | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql1IFJwF0SQ | 12:20 |
| dneary | amigadave, You saw my mail to maemo-community yesterday? | 12:20 |
| dotblank | It landed on my cat too.. Now hes tearing up all my papers | 12:21 |
| dneary | The wiki import didn't happen, as you can see | 12:21 |
| amigadave | dneary: i did not see it, but i saw that the update did not go through, so i categorized the pages | 12:21 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 12:22 |
| jacekowski | i can't make it happen again | 12:22 |
| dneary | amigadave, X-Fade nixed the import (rightly so, in my opinion) - "I'm not going to install 45 packages from a custom repository and then write directly into a production database" | 12:22 |
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| jacekowski | but it happened loads of times before | 12:22 |
| dneary | hi teko | 12:22 |
| dneary | tekojo, even | 12:22 |
| jacekowski | i'll play around with it little bit more | 12:22 |
| amigadave | dneary: ha, i should read that email, sounds better than caffeine :) | 12:23 |
| dneary | "Cannot import directly..." | 12:23 |
| dneary | is the subject | 12:23 |
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| * timeless_mbp1 ponders | 12:25 | |
| timeless_mbp1 | i've been on hold for 55 minutes | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp1 | it's nice to feel like a customer | 12:25 |
| dotblank | hold for 55 mins? | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp1 | nokia-care-uk | 12:25 |
| dotblank | l9ol | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp1 | well, "sorry, our lines are busy, we will answer your call, shortly" | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp1 | the lady has a strange definition of "shortly" | 12:26 |
| dotblank | I like pressing 0 on the keypad over and over | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp1 | (she said it again) | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp1 | dotblank: that's cheating | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp1 | but you're welcome to try | 12:26 |
| dotblank | some systems have diction and if you say help help help | 12:26 |
| dotblank | they will answer | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp1 | but why should i cheat? | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp1 | i'm just a customer | 12:26 |
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| dotblank | youve been on the line for 55 mins | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp1 | as an employee, if i wanted to cheat, i could call them internally | 12:27 |
| dotblank | ah | 12:27 |
| dotblank | didn;t know that | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp1 | dotblank: at this point, i might as well stick around and see how long it takes | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | calling nokia care? :P | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp1 | yes | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp1 | i'm sick of playing email tag w/ internals | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp1 | Stskeeps: try this | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | busy, sorry | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp1 | load: http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/t5/Maemo-Devices/adding-a-certificate-to-my-N900/m-p/586840#M1112 | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp1 | at the very top, click "# Get support and software" | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp1 | use any browser, it takes <1min | 12:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | dotblank: got an n900 handy? | 12:31 |
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| pupnik | i can try whatever | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | open settings | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | open certificates | 12:31 |
| pupnik | ok | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | is there a way to import? | 12:32 |
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| pupnik | no | 12:32 |
| pupnik | just a popup list of certs | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, so this is a "new" broken feature | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | wonderful | 12:32 |
| pupnik | in Settings->Certificate manager | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | "certificates" is my translation | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | w/o an import feature, it's hardly a manager :) | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | (w/ an import button that doesn't let you import anything, it's still hardly a manager) | 12:33 |
| pupnik | good point | 12:33 |
| Corsac | well, I had that issue since the beginning, but quickly found the workaround to double tap in the file manager | 12:34 |
| Corsac | (I guess someone told me that here) | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: yeah | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | but that's not really my problem | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | ah, it works better closer to pr1.2 | 12:35 |
| * timeless_mbp considers downloading pr1.2 | 12:36 | |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: There is a '+ Import certificate' button there. | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: yeah | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | in my ancient build, the dialog is empty | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | in my pr12 cand, the dialog works | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | note to self: reflash old device | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | oh! | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | no, that's not the problem | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that MyDocs is exported via USB | 12:38 |
| * timeless_mbp figured it out when file manager behaved the same way... | 12:39 | |
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| X-Fade | rcg-work: ping? | 12:41 |
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| anger | you had problems importing certificates? | 12:52 |
| Scelt | pr1.2 | 12:53 |
| Scelt | WHERE? | 12:53 |
| Scelt | timeless_mbp: where is pr1.2? | 12:53 |
| pupnik | shush please | 12:53 |
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| anger | I just emailed it, opened the message in n900 and clicked the attachment | 12:53 |
| Appiah | omg... | 12:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | anger: no, i had problems using the file picker | 12:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | because i forgot about the usb cable | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | both of my n900s are plugged into usb cables | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | but one's usb-power, and one's usb-pc | 12:55 |
| anger | timeless_mbp: ok, didn't quite follow :) | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i do have a problem w/ a certificate | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's a problem w/ a certificate, not importing it | 12:56 |
| anger | same here | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | the certificate imports, it just goes to the wrong place | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | gimme yours | 12:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | i have 2 which import fine and work great | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | and one which seems broken | 12:56 |
| anger | I have imported the certificate but it seems like it's not being used... | 12:56 |
| wall[e] | i think i need a harder reflash | 12:56 |
| wall[e] | qtirreco stops working after reflash | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | anger: presumably this is a public certificate, please provide me w/ a url to it | 12:57 |
| anger | I'm trying to setup both MfE and corporate wlan | 12:57 |
| wall[e] | or may be i should wait for 1.2 | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | anger: i have both of those working | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | gimme your public cert! | 12:57 |
| ruskie | lol | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | gimme! gimme! | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | this mythical problem has been haunting us for a year now | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | but no one came with an actual cert, don't be a tease. gimme! | 12:57 |
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| * timeless_mbp has been listening to hold music for 88 minutes | 12:58 | |
| pupnik | Postel’s Law: “Be conservative in what you do; be liberal in what you accept from others.” | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | With Fusnik's addendum - and hunt down and kill all flash developers. | 13:00 |
| RST38h | Only after Java developers are all taken care of | 13:02 |
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| RST38h | (and that may require at least one large scale genocyde) | 13:02 |
| ruskie | you left out .NET | 13:03 |
| ruskie | ow an silverlight | 13:03 |
| pupnik | i accept that from you guys | 13:03 |
| jacekowski | hmm mono on maemo | 13:04 |
| ruskie | scary | 13:04 |
| * RST38h will spare .NET people | 13:04 | |
| ruskie | apt-get install nomono | 13:04 |
| ruskie | or what's that metapackage | 13:04 |
| RST38h | Let them live in their really small closed garden | 13:04 |
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| jacekowski | .net is the best platform at the moment | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | it's faster than java | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | uses less memory than java | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | and it's still portable | 13:06 |
| rmrfchik | amagad | 13:06 |
| ruskie | hahahahahahahahaha *gasp* hahahahahahahaha *gasp* hahahahahahahahaha *breathe* *gasp* *breathe* | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | don't hate something just because it's microsoft | 13:07 |
| rmrfchik | BRAINS... I NEED BRAINS | 13:07 |
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| ruskie | rmrfchik, you don't for .NET most of the time | 13:08 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I quite like some of their mice. | 13:09 |
| joga | ms had nice hardware, like joysticks | 13:09 |
| dotblank | oh god not .net | 13:09 |
| joga | heh this is prolly old already but anyway http://apina.biz/29334.jpg | 13:10 |
| dotblank | Im liking Qt more and more everyday | 13:10 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: microsoft keyboard is quite nice as well | 13:10 |
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| dotblank | you can't multitask on the ipad? | 13:11 |
| joga | of course not, c'mon | 13:11 |
| dotblank | Oh my god... | 13:11 |
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| joga | thought it was a computer? think again! | 13:11 |
| ruskie | lol | 13:11 |
| dotblank | LIKE WOW | 13:11 |
| joga | ;) | 13:11 |
| dotblank | someone should get meego on that device | 13:11 |
| dotblank | that would be completely awesome | 13:12 |
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| ruskie | I'd more like a fully working MeeGo on the N900 | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | define working | 13:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd like a slightly working - booting from mmc one | 13:13 |
| SpeedEvil | SD one | 13:13 |
| * SpeedEvil isn't managing. | 13:13 | |
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| pupnik | joga: thanks ... that... ... just thanks | 13:13 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, atleast on par with the current maemo5 install | 13:13 |
| dotblank | Why.. Why | 13:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - I should inspect the rootfs to see if it has SD modules | 13:14 |
| dotblank | why would you get an IPad | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: it took them several years to get maemo5 to the point it is now, what makes you think they'd have a shiny system in the back hand? :P | 13:14 |
| dotblank | In contrast MS is alright | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | dotblank: because you will probably be able to stick maemo on it | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | dotblank: sometime soon in future | 13:14 |
| dotblank | jacekowski, thats a good reason | 13:14 |
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| ruskie | SpeedEvil, I thought the extra power kernel had all that you want | 13:15 |
| dotblank | jacekowski, does the pad have a mic? | 13:15 |
| * SpeedEvil wants to see an ipad running windows 95 | 13:15 | |
| jacekowski | dotblank: i don't know | 13:15 |
| jacekowski | dotblank: probably yes | 13:15 |
| dotblank | jacekowski, because with maemo you could turn it into a phone | 13:15 |
| jacekowski | quite big phone | 13:15 |
| ruskie | Stskeeps, lol because there's a lot(or so I think/assume) people working on the MeeGo stuff? | 13:15 |
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| dotblank | conferance calling device | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Are you aware of anyone booting meego/mer on SD? | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: yes.. | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Can you point me to any links - I'm coming up with the wrong search terms | 13:17 |
| pupnik | a lot of us should be doing that | 13:17 |
| SpeedEvil | (or it's not written down) | 13:17 |
| pupnik | to help get ball rollingk | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: for Mer, mer-project.blogspot.com | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | for meego, wait for 1.0 | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | well, or go see the documentation being made for it on the wiki | 13:17 |
| jacekowski | dotblank: there was a project for linux on iphone | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm trying to work out how to boot from SD without bootloader installed. | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | dotblank: and there was new version released couple weeks ago | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | dotblank: with almost everything working | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | flasher -broot=/dev/mmcblk1p1 for example | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: right, that should actually work | 13:18 |
| wall[e] | how do i clean up /home/opt to factory default? | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | android | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | http://linuxoniphone.blogspot.com/ | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is just the kernel doesn't have mmc enabled, SpeedEvil :) | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Ah. | 13:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: That would explain it. | 13:18 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 13:19 | |
| dotblank | I don't like android.. UI dunno why | 13:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | toolchain setup on slackware is annoying. | 13:19 |
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| ruskie | wall[e], rm -rf /home/opt/* | 13:19 |
| dotblank | feels like your just making one big java app | 13:19 |
| ruskie | wall[e], or apt-get remove everything you installed | 13:19 |
| wall[e] | ruskie thanks, and then restore application list? | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | dotblank: but that means linux can be easily ported to iphone | 13:20 |
| wall[e] | apt-get remove leaves unusual folders | 13:20 |
| ruskie | wall[e], that's an option yeah | 13:20 |
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| wall[e] | i didn't purge | 13:20 |
| ruskie | wall[e], you can still purge | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | wall[e]: purge | 13:20 |
| ruskie | wall[e], basically factory default is an empty opt dir | 13:21 |
| wall[e] | thanks | 13:21 |
| dotblank | jacekowski, how does it being in java help.. its interpreted. I would rather have something like qt | 13:21 |
| wall[e] | can I reset /home/user to factory default? just reflash? | 13:21 |
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| wall[e] | hmm no | 13:22 |
| dotblank | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4070 | 13:22 |
| dotblank | Qt for android? | 13:22 |
| ruskie | wall[e], hmm I think with both a rootfs and a emmc reflash... or you could unpack the fiasco image and manually copy stuff you want | 13:23 |
| wall[e] | ruskie, what's a fiasco image? | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: thanks for the pointer. | 13:23 |
| wall[e] | saw them all the time, no idea what it is | 13:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | A fiasco image is a kernel and a rootfs wrapped up in one ball | 13:24 |
| jacekowski | dotblank: it's not in java | 13:25 |
| jacekowski | dotblank: android is linux based | 13:25 |
| jacekowski | dotblank: very heavily modified linux | 13:25 |
| jacekowski | dotblank: and on top of that there is dalvik | 13:25 |
| wall[e] | SpeedEvil, in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com ? | 13:25 |
| dotblank | http://gitorious.org/~taipan/qt/android-lighthouse | 13:25 |
| Termana | jacekowski, wait just there | 13:25 |
| omar | hey dotblank ;) | 13:25 |
| wall[e] | this flickr sharing doesn't stop crashing | 13:25 |
| Termana | Make sure you know what your talking about when you say very heavily modified linux | 13:25 |
| wall[e] | i reflash, didn't help... | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | wall[e]: I would try to create a new account | 13:26 |
| dotblank | omar, hey | 13:26 |
| jacekowski | Termana: mods that it cannot be replaced easily with vanillia kernel | 13:26 |
| wall[e] | SpeedEvil, I did, and when clicking using existing account (after you've created one) it crashes the controlpanel | 13:26 |
| jacekowski | Termana: ( except hardware drivers ) | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | wall[e]: Odd. I wonder what you're doing. | 13:27 |
| wall[e] | more than one sharing crashes in the same fasion | 13:27 |
| wall[e] | SpeedEvil, it's a known bug | 13:27 |
| ruskie | wall[e], yes the emmc image there is also a fiasco image... you can unpack it using maemo-flasher onto your disk and then lo_setup the stuff and mount it somewhere | 13:27 |
| * SpeedEvil is currently wanting GPL sources for two of his boxes. :/ | 13:27 | |
| dotblank | omar, http://imgur.com/19EVM.png | 13:27 |
| Termana | jacekowski, For starters, the main thing, wakelocks has been actually mainlined, in the form of suspend blockers | 13:28 |
| wall[e] | ruskie, thanks. | 13:28 |
| Termana | jacekowski, secondly, try dropping a vanilla kernel onto any ARM smartphone. The current state isn't that great | 13:28 |
| jacekowski | Termana: lot of stuff has been removed in february | 13:28 |
| jacekowski | Termana: i said except drivers | 13:28 |
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| viliny__ | bah, for a moment there i thought the FM sender somehow managed to make my lcd flimmer but turns out it was a loose vga cable :( | 13:29 |
| Termana | Except drivers - thats silly. You still can't use a vanilla kernel | 13:29 |
| jacekowski | drivers are easily portable | 13:29 |
| * timeless_mbp will have been on hold for 2 hours | 13:29 | |
| Termana | jacekowski, so is the Android kernel modifications | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | NOW | 13:30 |
| ruskie | timeless_mbp, having fun I see ;) | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i think it's time for lunch | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | 2 hours on hold is a bit obscene | 13:30 |
| wazd | OMG | 13:31 |
| Termana | But where do you start saying, this is heavily modified and this isn't - you just stop at drivers? What about when OMAP wasn't supported at all in the kernel - where those extremely modified changes? | 13:31 |
| wazd | Opera for maemo | 13:31 |
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| pupnik | the fact is, we can, and will, make that android shite run on standard linux smartphones | 13:31 |
| jacekowski | wazd: old news | 13:31 |
| wazd | :( | 13:31 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, 2 hours for what? | 13:31 |
| pupnik | and kick those poseurs in the nuts | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia-care-uk | 13:31 |
| wazd | jacekowski: screw you :P | 13:31 |
| lcuk | ouch | 13:31 |
| Surfa | too bad opera for maemo is pretty bad at this point :( | 13:31 |
| jacekowski | wazd: die | 13:31 |
| ruskie | the problem with the android changes were that nobody bothrede to do any work to merge them into mainline and that they did things nothing else in the kernel did | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: on n8x0 too | 13:31 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yeah | 13:32 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: that's kinda awesome :) | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:32 |
| Termana | As an aside - everyone see that Android is ahead of iPhone marketshare in the US now? Maybe not everyone likes Android, but that means Linux is in a lot of pockets | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: if android is ahead, meego has a big shot :P | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | Termana: woooooooooot? | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | Termana: not marketshare | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | sales | 13:32 |
| dotblank | ruskie, Yea google is notorious for that | 13:33 |
| Termana | timeless_mbp, I thought it was marketshare :P They articles I've read weren't entirely clear on it | 13:33 |
| Termana | The* | 13:33 |
| pupnik | now the question is, can and will we make sure intel doesn't walled-garden meego? | 13:33 |
| Termana | Still, Linux is selling more than the iPhone :P | 13:33 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: microb got a competitor :) | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.bigmouthmedia.com/live/articles/android-outsells-iphone-without-help-from-nexus-on.asp/6970/ | 13:33 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: doesn't support flash though :) | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | Termana: how hard is it to get the gist from a url like that? :-( | 13:33 |
| jacekowski | somebody has to port dalvik to maemo | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: meh, who uses flash.. | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:33 |
| wall[e] | will eMMC flashing remove created partitions? | 13:34 |
| dotblank | how about the HTC | 13:34 |
| Termana | timeless_mbp, I read engadgets article. | 13:34 |
| dotblank | that seems to be doing good sales wise | 13:34 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: me :D | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | Termana: that was your first mistake ;-) | 13:34 |
| Termana | lol | 13:34 |
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| Termana | But still like I said - I think its great some sort of Linux is reaching into peoples pockets. | 13:35 |
| dotblank | I can see Meego taking the in car stuff by storm | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | calling android linux is um... | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | well, it isn't GNU Linux anyway | 13:35 |
| iPeter- | could someone give me a howto link to backup and flash n900? | 13:35 |
| ruskie | wall[e], yes | 13:35 |
| wall[e] | ruskie, thanks. | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | it's Android w/ a Linux-like Kernel | 13:36 |
| ruskie | iPeter-, should be all on wiki.maemo.org | 13:36 |
| ruskie | iPeter-, atleast teh flashing bit is there... the backup there is a backup tool you can use | 13:36 |
| ruskie | that will save most thing onto a SD card if you have it | 13:36 |
| iPeter- | Okay, ill look around. thanks. | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean, call it a win for open source, sure | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | but linux?... | 13:36 |
| iPeter- | i dont have sd card | 13:36 |
| jacekowski | iPeter-: if you don't flash emmc you don't have to worry | 13:36 |
| iPeter- | I want to save that backup to PC | 13:36 |
| iPeter- | jacekowski: emmc? | 13:36 |
| dotblank | iPeter-, the internal fs.. thats not the rootfs | 13:37 |
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| iPeter- | I want to clean my device fully. I think it jams sometimes | 13:37 |
| ruskie | iPeter-, do you have ssh on it? | 13:38 |
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| ruskie | or you could use bluetooth to send the generated backup over | 13:38 |
| Termana | timeless_mbp, how is it not a win for linux | 13:38 |
| iPeter- | No, but i can install if needed | 13:38 |
| Termana | its not a win for GNU, I agree | 13:38 |
| Termana | I'm sure Stallman is rolling in his grave | 13:38 |
| iPeter- | ruskie: sftp | 13:39 |
| Termana | errmmm metaphorically speaking that is | 13:39 |
| ruskie | iPeter-, well then you can as said sftp it over | 13:40 |
| iPeter- | Im just worried only of the backup part because i need my calendar stuff and contact etc. | 13:40 |
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| iPeter- | ruskie: Where it will be save | 13:40 |
| iPeter- | d | 13:40 |
| ruskie | iPeter-, the backup app asks you what you want to backup | 13:40 |
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| matt___ | hey guys | 13:40 |
| ruskie | iPeter-, it will store that backup in MyDocs/Backup | 13:40 |
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| matt___ | any phone engineer here ? | 13:41 |
| wazd | цщц | 13:41 |
| wazd | wow | 13:41 |
| wazd | portrait keyboard :D | 13:41 |
| iPeter- | ruskie: Okay, thanks. | 13:41 |
| matt___ | Some people were as far as I remember... | 13:41 |
| wazd | now that's cool :) | 13:41 |
| iPeter- | Ill come cry if i need help, lolz | 13:41 |
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| lcuk | wazd, you found vertsms? | 13:42 |
| matt___ | I remember there were plenty here! | 13:42 |
| wazd | lcuk: no, I've installed opera 10 :) | 13:42 |
| matt___ | I need a BER report from one of them :) | 13:42 |
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| lcuk | lol | 13:43 |
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| * dotblank just descovered you can import a project with cmakelist.txt files in qt creater | 13:44 | |
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| mikki-kun | hm, why the heck are the passwords limited to 8 chars? | 13:46 |
| mikki-kun | i mean if i change the password for root it tells me "min 5, max 8" | 13:47 |
| TigerTael | I hate maximum password length of 8. | 13:47 |
| TigerTael | Christ. | 13:47 |
| ruskie | mikki-kun, you sure it is? | 13:47 |
| mikki-kun | my usual passwords are way longer than even 15 chars | 13:47 |
| ruskie | mine is 9 chars long | 13:47 |
| TigerTael | mikki-kun, my old ones have been known to exceed that too. | 13:48 |
| TigerTael | Infact, I had one that was 32 characters long. ;P | 13:48 |
| ruskie | my low-security passes tend to be up to 10 chars | 13:48 |
| ruskie | mid-security 16+ | 13:48 |
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| ruskie | hi-security 30+ | 13:48 |
| jacekowski | you keep forgetting one thing | 13:48 |
| TigerTael | I -hate- maximum password length enforcement. | 13:48 |
| jacekowski | it's ussualy hashed to md5 | 13:48 |
| mikki-kun | ruskie: it just cuts the last char away | 13:48 |
| TigerTael | I also hate minimum password length enforcement. | 13:49 |
| Surfa | security is not about lengths of the passwords but content.. | 13:49 |
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| jacekowski | and md5 uses 128bit for hash | 13:49 |
| smhar | how do you guys sync you N900 with linux? | 13:49 |
| TigerTael | Infact, I hate ANYTHING password enforcement. | 13:49 |
| jacekowski | so passwords longer than 16 chars are useless | 13:49 |
| jacekowski | ruskie: anything longer than 16 is as safe as 16 char | 13:49 |
| ruskie | jacekowski, you seem sure about that | 13:49 |
| mikki-kun | ruskie: i just tried adding my normal pw which is around 20 chars... | 13:49 |
| jacekowski | ruskie: md5 is most popular hash function | 13:50 |
| mikki-kun | then i just gave the first 10 chars and i got in | 13:50 |
| jacekowski | ruskie: other popular sha1 uses 160 bit which is 20 char | 13:50 |
| viliny__ | jacekowski: anything longer than 16 is as secure as 16? | 13:50 |
| ruskie | jacekowski, that's what I'm questioning not the hash ;) | 13:50 |
| chem|st | ruskie: having a kombination of various chars like %mnH*67 is more secure than any dictonary based password | 13:50 |
| mikki-kun | and uhm, is there a way i can change my username on the n900? | 13:50 |
| viliny__ | so um... a 64 password wouldn't be more secure? | 13:50 |
| jacekowski | viliny__: in 99% of cases | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | because of limited lenght of hash function | 13:51 |
| viliny__ | why, though? | 13:51 |
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| chem|st | viliny__: well it just scales the time to calculate | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | limited password field in database | 13:51 |
| dotblank | Wow.. I just built LMMS | 13:51 |
| dotblank | for the n900 | 13:51 |
| viliny__ | chem|st: aight... yes | 13:51 |
| dotblank | it could use a lot of work | 13:51 |
| Surfa | dotblank, what are your plans? :) | 13:52 |
| chem|st | viliny__: and as jacekowski said the hash function is the key | 13:52 |
| achipa | viliny__: because it is almost certain there will be a shorter password that will have the same hash | 13:52 |
| dotblank | I just wanted to see if it would compile and run... and it does | 13:52 |
| mikki-kun | hm, is there a way i can change my username from "user" to "mikki-kun" on the N900? | 13:53 |
| viliny__ | achipa: that aspects actually makes a lot of sense in my head :) | 13:53 |
| smhar | is there a gui app for this yet? | 13:53 |
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| ruskie | mikki-kun, I think you'll break a ton of things doing it | 13:53 |
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| mikki-kun | mehhh, that kind of sucks... | 13:54 |
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| mikki-kun | hm... i could delete "user" though, and then use his UID | 13:55 |
| mikki-kun | afaik the UID is the important thing, not the string in the username | 13:55 |
| ruskie | would still break | 13:55 |
| ruskie | actually both are important | 13:55 |
| ruskie | since tools might use user not the uid | 13:55 |
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| mikki-kun | hm... | 13:55 |
| ruskie | but you can always create an extra user with the same uid | 13:55 |
| mikki-kun | ok, you got a point there | 13:55 |
| ruskie | that's how I have root and toor both uid 0 | 13:55 |
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| ruskie | the one you want to show up as the name set it before the other | 13:56 |
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| ruskie | and it "*should*" resolve to that | 13:56 |
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| smhar | or is the only way is to just 'copy' the folders to the local computer? | 13:56 |
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| ruskie | smhar, to do what? | 13:57 |
| mikki-kun | hm, would love having not "user" but mikki-kun there on my n900... that is kind of a lil too preconfigured | 13:57 |
| smhar | ruskie, to sync N900 data: contacts, sms, emails, etc with linux | 13:57 |
| ruskie | smhar, theres syncevolution | 13:58 |
| matt___ | Is there any engineer here? | 13:58 |
| ruskie | does syncml | 13:58 |
| mikki-kun | i would love installing maemo from scratch on my n900 but not having it too complicated | 13:58 |
| frals | matt___: i think you have to be more specific than that | 13:58 |
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| smhar | ruskie, I am using thunderbird | 13:58 |
| ruskie | mikki-kun, well it lacks imho in a lot of areas | 13:58 |
| * lcuk waves @ frals | 13:58 | |
| chem|st | viliny__: my hdd-crypt passwords are 14 digits but 256bit aes, will take up to 900GWatts for one year | 13:58 |
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| lcuk | hows the packing going | 13:58 |
| * frals waves @ lcuk | 13:58 | |
| matt___ | frals: Hey again; i need to get a BER letter on headed paper | 13:58 |
| ruskie | smhar, http://www.topologilinux.com/syncml/ | 13:59 |
| mikki-kun | ruskie: i would love installing gentoo on my n900 :D | 13:59 |
| smhar | thanks ruskie | 13:59 |
| ruskie | mikki-kun, I would love to have just a normal layout on there | 13:59 |
| frals | lcuk: not even started! waiting to hear from HR whats suppose to happen lol | 13:59 |
| ruskie | mikki-kun, as it is can't even boot with /usr NOT on / | 13:59 |
| lcuk | roger | 13:59 |
| matt___ | So basically any1 working with mobile phones | 14:00 |
| matt___ | ;) | 14:00 |
| mikki-kun | you mean if /usr is not mounted it can't boot? | 14:00 |
| matt___ | in a store or w/e | 14:00 |
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| ruskie | mikki-kun, yeah if you want to for example have /usr as a separate partition | 14:02 |
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| chem|st | smhar: sync or backup? | 14:03 |
| mikki-kun | isn't that already on another partiton than the rootfs? | 14:03 |
| smhar | chem|st, both | 14:03 |
| Manjiri_ | I am trying to install a test app on my N900 using Nokia's Qt SDK beta | 14:04 |
| Manjiri_ | but I am getting the following error: "Assembler messages: Fatal error: can't create tmp/obj/debug_shared/main.o: No such file or directory " | 14:04 |
| chem|st | smhar: mmh backup is easy, use backup tool on device and export contacts to folder in same namespace and rsync or copy or whatever to your backuplocation | 14:05 |
| fraggeln | I wonder if any of the big backupsoftware-vendors will make a client/agent for a cellphone :) | 14:06 |
| viliny__ | anybody here remember the name of that linux livecd that could crack windows passwords? | 14:06 |
| viliny__ | ah, google was useful :) | 14:07 |
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| matt___ | frals: Why version me? | 14:08 |
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| chem|st | smhar: there is no proper way for syncing yet, extracting data to somewhere else can be scripted but the formating is hell | 14:08 |
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| matt___ | another one. uh | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | matt___: It's international version matt___ day. | 14:09 |
| matt___ | SpeedEvil: Werent u working at some mobile phone place? | 14:09 |
| adalal | hey, anyone here knows how to add custom monitors onto the desktop that shows information such as uptime, or current freequency? | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | matt___: No. | 14:09 |
| Treibholz | adalal: yes. | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | adalal: See 'queen beecon' | 14:10 |
| omar | adalal ya | 14:10 |
| chem|st | adalal: yes | 14:10 |
| adalal | thanks all | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | adalal: Or 'command-line execution widget' | 14:10 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: you are a show stopper... | 14:10 |
| matt___ | My insurer wants to take my phone for assesment for up to 2 weeks unless i provide him with a report stating that the phone is Beyond Economical Repair (Motherboard problem) | 14:10 |
| adalal | lol | 14:10 |
| chem|st | Treibholz: two nuts one thought | 14:10 |
| omar | adlal i'll send you a screenshot of my desktop it has all that and a bit more | 14:10 |
| Treibholz | :-) | 14:10 |
| matt___ | in which case they will just arrange an exchange. | 14:10 |
| adalal | omar: sure thanks | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | matt___: why can't you take it to a nokia care centre? | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | matt___: What's the problem with it? | 14:11 |
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| matt___ | SpeedEvil: Speaker going silent, screen blinking | 14:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:12 |
| matt___ | left right corner of the touch screen not reacting | 14:12 |
| matt___ | blah | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | matt___: Where are you? | 14:12 |
| matt___ | top left corner* | 14:12 |
| matt___ | SpeedEvil: UK | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Where did you buy it? | 14:13 |
| matt___ | Nokia | 14:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | As I understand it - your first port of call should be nokia care centre | 14:13 |
| mikki-kun | hm... how the heck do you actually add a new user on the n900? | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | to get it repaired under warranty | 14:13 |
| mikki-kun | i have even the coreutils from gnu | 14:13 |
| matt___ | SpeedEvil: No need, that's why I got insurance | 14:13 |
| mikki-kun | and there i can't find an "useradd" | 14:14 |
| Appiah | and you dont have useradd/adduser ? | 14:14 |
| matt___ | £13 a month, they've got no problem replacing it (my screen is also scratched as hell) | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | matt___: Sure - then do what your insurer wants. | 14:14 |
| matt___ | SpeedEvil: But the guy told me the fastest way is to get an engineer to write a short BER, email it to them and ill have new phone tomorrow. | 14:14 |
| matt___ | Yh stupid I was honestl could've just told them i dropped it down the sink. | 14:14 |
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| mikki-kun | Appiah: ok, i found it, but on a rahter obscure way... it was located in /usr/sbin as i thought, but it didn't show up... | 14:15 |
| Appiah | umm | 14:15 |
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| Appiah | thats where it should be mikki-kun | 14:15 |
| * SpeedEvil could write one, but is not employed in that field. | 14:15 | |
| Appiah | atleast thats where debian puts it | 14:15 |
| matt___ | SpeedEvil: Are you an educated engineer ? | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes - but not qualified in any normal route. | 14:16 |
| matt___ | What do you mean ? | 14:16 |
| ruskie | mikki-kun, $EDITOR /etc/passwd copy paste the line you want... do changes save passwd user | 14:16 |
| ruskie | ;) | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | matt___: I have no formal electronics qualifications, and have never been employed in the area. | 14:17 |
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| mikki-kun | Appiah: i know... and yeah... somehow i overlooked it i think... | 14:17 |
| mikki-kun | usual case of pebkac | 14:18 |
| Appiah | :) | 14:18 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Now would be a good time to intervene with your opinion to Jarmo | 14:18 |
| dneary | Before I lose my temper :) | 14:18 |
| jacekowski | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6907 | 14:18 |
| povbot | Bug 6907: Media Player widget suddenly starts music after Phone call ends | 14:18 |
| omar | lol i had that bug happen to me once | 14:18 |
| Appiah | only happend to me once | 14:18 |
| jacekowski | but afaik it's not related to media player widget | 14:19 |
| omar | like a split second of music and stops | 14:19 |
| Manjiri_ | I havent updated my device with the latest firmware. Will that cause problem when trying to install a app I am developing on the device? | 14:19 |
| ManoftheSea | I got that one. | 14:20 |
| Manjiri_ | I am using Nokia Qt SDK beta in windows | 14:20 |
| ManoftheSea | I had the media player open and stopped... got a call | 14:20 |
| ManoftheSea | When it hung up, music came on. I was like, "OMGWTFBBQ" | 14:20 |
| Manjiri_ | I have mad-de on the device | 14:20 |
| omar | ManoftheSea, when it came on did was it just for a second or it played contiuously? | 14:20 |
| omar | for me it was like a short "yelp" | 14:21 |
| ManoftheSea | until I went and paused it | 14:21 |
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| chem|st | Manjiri_: might do as the version of Qt might differ?! | 14:22 |
| Omar_ | adalal http://imgur.com/oI6GD.png | 14:22 |
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| Manjiri_ | chem|st : oh I need to chk that. But the error I see seems to be unrelated: Assembler messages: Fatal error: can't create tmp/obj/debug_shared/main.o: No such file or directory | 14:23 |
| omar | sorry for delay my bandwidth is hosed from 7 active torrents | 14:23 |
| Manjiri_ | chem|st: Any clue? | 14:23 |
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| Omar_ | ubuntu just froze and started screeching at 2 second intervals | 14:25 |
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| adalal | Omar_: lol, pulseaudio fault? | 14:26 |
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| Omar_ | nah hardware issue its not booting now | 14:27 |
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| r0gcas | hi, excuseme, i want to make one question. how is the easiest way to begin trying to devel with qt for maemo5? i have scratchbox and gtk. scratchbox is not more needed when doing with qt? i look for the simplest and easiest way to try qt for devel, minimum things... | 14:29 |
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| slaxium | has some tried to compile qpalringo for the n900? | 14:30 |
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| ruskie | r0gcas, you still need scratchbox to build usually | 14:30 |
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| adalal | on queen beecon, how do you remove the background image? | 14:32 |
| ruskie | I thought there is some config option | 14:33 |
| Omar_ | there is an option near the top that says something to that effect | 14:33 |
| adalal | ok | 14:33 |
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| adalal | oh nvm.. found it | 14:34 |
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| r0gcas | ruskie, so how is the process, what i must download to can preserve much of the way i develop for example a gtk_helloworld app | 14:36 |
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| pupnik | r0gcas: if you know some gtk would you be intderested in making gqview work better? | 14:38 |
| RST38h | moo, yes? | 14:38 |
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| pupnik | it is usable for me already without any changes actually | 14:38 |
| pupnik | RST38h: should be downloadable | 14:39 |
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| crashanddie | r0gcas: it's been a few days that you've tried to explain your problem, but with little success apparently. Could you -- very simply -- explain what you are doing, and where you are stuck | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | the bastard left? | 14:50 |
| iPeter- | ruskie: Still there? | 14:50 |
| bleader | crashanddie: 13:49:32 -!- r0gcas [~5803b28e@gateway/web/freenode/x-mkyxlhciaadfnmrh] has quit [] | 14:51 |
| bleader | yep :) | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | thanks | 14:51 |
| ruskie | iPeter-, yup | 14:51 |
| * crashanddie doesn't see join/parts | 14:51 | |
| bleader | apparently, my emails aren't properly checked, is this a known issue ? | 14:51 |
| iPeter- | ruskie: I use N900 backup software to back this thing up? | 14:51 |
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| ruskie | iPeter-, to create a backup of the things it's telling it'll do | 14:52 |
| bleader | I recently re-enabled autoupdate, but apparently my mailboxes aren't updated | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: that sounds wrong in so many ways... I'm still in bed | 14:52 |
| ruskie | bleader, it never really worked for me | 14:52 |
| lcuk | oh cripes | 14:52 |
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| bleader | ruskie: ok, well good to know at least :) | 14:53 |
| ruskie | bleader, I'm still hoping for a simple report new mail app(i.e. gnubiff like) that also has imap idle support | 14:53 |
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| iPeter- | ruskie: im now in sftp and trying to search that backup. I logged in as root and im on / | 14:54 |
| ruskie | iPeter-, /home/user/MyDocs | 14:54 |
| ruskie | iPeter-, should find a backup or Backup dir there | 14:54 |
| crashanddie | btw, for anyone doing web devel, there's one script you absolutely need | 14:54 |
| ruskie | crashanddie, rmallflashandjsfrommywebprojects.script ? | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/webdevel.html <-- drag the green "shell" button to your bookmark bar | 14:55 |
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| crashanddie | then go to any webpage, and click on the bookmark | 14:55 |
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| iPeter- | ruskie: Thanks, i found. | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | and you have an interactive javascript shell for that page! Allowing to go through the full DOM in real-time :) | 14:56 |
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| omar | wow thanks for that crashanddie | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | omar: there's another one that allows to modify the CSS in real time as well, so you don't need to save/refresh continuously | 14:57 |
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| omar | i can do that with firebug though just as easily | 14:57 |
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| omar | smoku!! | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | oh, yeah, right | 14:58 |
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| omar | crashanddie, actually firebug is kind ofa nnoying if you want to add stuff.. so would prob be more useful | 14:58 |
| smoku | me!! | 15:00 |
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| pupnik | any gles gpu updates from team zoddtd in sight smoku? | 15:01 |
| omar | smoku you've prob been asked this a million times but i didn't have patience to read through the whole thread... when'll the next psx4all supporting save states come out? :D | 15:01 |
| pupnik | hehe | 15:01 |
| mece | hey | 15:03 |
| mece | does anyone here use MaStory? | 15:03 |
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| smoku | pupnik, zod is not responding to me | 15:04 |
| omar | how rude of him | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | mece: I installed it, never used it though | 15:05 |
| crashanddie | mece: well, I installed it, downloaded my blog articles, etc | 15:05 |
| smoku | does anyone use dput with cauldron? | 15:05 |
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| smoku | i uploaded package and it looks like it is not coming out of builder | 15:06 |
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| smoku | omar, with current psx4all code it's very hard to switch from emulation to GUI | 15:07 |
| omar | oh i see | 15:07 |
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| omar | i read something about you waiting for zod to make some new code | 15:08 |
| lcuk | for ssh passwordless login,what are the security implications in backing up the ssh keys from other machines? its not like im giving the password to the machines is it? | 15:09 |
| smoku | yup. search youtube for 'psx4all pandora' - you will see that the current psx4all code is FAST. the old sources I'm working with is not worth putting a lot of effort | 15:09 |
| lcuk | ie if i make a .deb package that backs them up | 15:09 |
| iPeter- | Hey, what is this.. why i have to be in SSH to get SFTP connection? If i close SSH connection SFTP drops off too. | 15:10 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Ping? | 15:10 |
| omar | smoku, yeah i'm able to emulate final fantasy tactics and with 1/2 frame skip it runs beautifully.. only problem i saw was a slight graphical glitch with the dialogue boxes but it ran the game marvelously | 15:10 |
| smoku | lcuk, what do you mean by "backing up the ssh keys from other machines"? | 15:10 |
| lcuk | omar, cool beans | 15:10 |
| lcuk | smoku, on my 900 i have at different times configured passwordless login | 15:11 |
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| lcuk | but everytime i reflash i lose those | 15:11 |
| lcuk | so have to reconfigure it | 15:11 |
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| lcuk | i would like to backup the files that ive manually copied on from my desktop and laptop and scratchbox accounts | 15:12 |
| lcuk | so that after a reflash i can carry on happily passwordless login without having to muck around | 15:12 |
| smoku | you may add /root/.ssh directory to backup | 15:12 |
| lcuk | or is it reasonable to patch openssh package to add this | 15:13 |
| lcuk | rather than making a new package | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | or does that cause security complications (by backing up the whole folder | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | morning Noma | 15:14 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y too | 15:14 |
| lcuk | sorry Noma | 15:14 |
| noobmonk3y | lols! | 15:14 |
| sECuRE | well, of course that has security implications | 15:14 |
| noobmonk3y | morning :D | 15:14 |
| Noma | good afternoon lcuk :D | 15:14 |
| noobmonk3y | morning to Noma too :D | 15:14 |
| lcuk | sECuRE, hence my question, passwordless login is different | 15:14 |
| sECuRE | best way is to just use a passphrase for your keyfiles | 15:14 |
| lcuk | im not on about my keyfiles tho am i? | 15:14 |
| smoku | lcuk, store your private keys in /home/user/.ssh and you'll be fine. :) you shouldn't use root account to do any actuall work anyway | 15:14 |
| * lcuk gets confused by all this OTT security | 15:15 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk: need help? | 15:15 |
| lcuk | dunno crashanddie im just finishing reflashing and all my ssh accounts need passwords again | 15:15 |
| lcuk | .. | 15:15 |
| smoku | and you should have private keys protected by password anyway, so it's safe to back them up too | 15:15 |
| lcuk | so i cant run scripts to copy/move stuff | 15:15 |
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| adalal | another question, is there a dc++ client for maemo :P? | 15:16 |
| lcuk | smoku, this sint the same thing | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | adalal, ive not heard of one yet - we have torrent support tho, so its capable | 15:16 |
| lcuk | i would like DC | 15:16 |
| lcuk | its a great protocol | 15:17 |
| adalal | hm | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: all your ssh accounts? | 15:17 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, no | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | 14:15 < lcuk> dunno crashanddie im just finishing reflashing and all my ssh accounts need passwords again | 15:17 |
| lcuk | i just have passwordless ssh login setup | 15:17 |
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| lcuk | after reflashing this happens: | 15:17 |
| lcuk | ssh blah@n900 | 15:17 |
| lcuk | password: | 15:17 |
| lcuk | normally i can pass a file from my laptop once and forget about passwords | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | ah, yes, and? | 15:18 |
| lcuk | i want to back those up | 15:18 |
| lcuk | ie modify openssh package - but i dont know what kind of security issue that would be | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | erhm, you don't need to modify the openssh package | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | you just need to backup your private keys | 15:19 |
| lcuk | ok then, create a new .deb package which does this backup | 15:20 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Public keys even | 15:20 |
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| lcuk | i dont want to backup private keys | 15:20 |
| lcuk | thats different and insecute | 15:20 |
| lcuk | insecure | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | no it's not | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | but anyway | 15:20 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: just register them to be backupped by the tool. | 15:20 |
| lcuk | yeah X-Fade but thats not persistable | 15:20 |
| lcuk | without it being a package in extras | 15:21 |
| lcuk | so i was wondering about it being in the openssh meta package | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: you'd need to ask Ed to add it to the package then? | 15:21 |
| lcuk | indeed | 15:21 |
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| lcuk | but i didnt want to ask anything without knowing if it was foolish security wise | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | .ssh/authorized_keys should be fine. | 15:22 |
| wall[e] | ok, fixed my remote finally | 15:22 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade cool beans :) | 15:22 |
| wall[e] | anyone know if anyone want to implement a radial dial pad? | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | I'd really not recommend putting them in a .deb | 15:22 |
| wall[e] | like old dial panel on ancient phone | 15:22 |
| ruskie | that would be nice to play | 15:22 |
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| cehteh | wall[e]: iirc there is one somewhere | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: No, he is not intending to. | 15:23 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, its not putting htem in a .deb, its adding the XML file to tell backup to include it | 15:23 |
| cehteh | i once seen screenshots on maemo.org | 15:23 |
| wall[e] | cehteh, want one hehe | 15:23 |
| wall[e] | cool | 15:23 |
| lcuk | so they are included in backup/restore process | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: he was at some point :P | 15:23 |
| smoku | damn Ubuntu... dput uploaded my package to upload.ubuntu.com :D | 15:23 |
| lcuk | no crashanddie the .deb part has to be the backup config file | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | aaah :) | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | man, I don't get all those backup fretting | 15:24 |
| lcuk | data is important | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | smoku: I didn't know if I should scream or laugh when I read that bug report ;) | 15:24 |
| lcuk | i dislike random scripts to be run via copy paste | 15:24 |
| lcuk | because it doesnt allow reproducability | 15:25 |
| wall[e] | i guess i find why flickr crash settings | 15:25 |
| wall[e] | it's something to do with the network | 15:25 |
| wall[e] | so i don't bother reflashing | 15:25 |
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| smoku | X-Fade, I noticed that in parallel. Went to invalidate my bugreport and saw the comment. Guess I'm to tired and should go for a walk to regain some sanity... | 15:26 |
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| rcg-work | X-Fade: thanks for deleting that old icedtea6 version from non-free :) | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | rcg-work: This caused the bug url to change all the time. | 15:29 |
| rcg-work | X-Fade: ic .. so that was the problem | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | rcg-work: url from free, url from non-free, url from free, etc. | 15:29 |
| rcg-work | X-Fade: uhh, ic ... my bad | 15:30 |
| matthew- | What phones have oLED's now? | 15:30 |
| smoku | X-Fade, where should i put my GPG key for autobuilder to get it? | 15:31 |
| iPeter- | could someone give a how to link to flash n900..? Cant find from maemo wiki | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | smoku: in your account at garage. Or just don't sign it. | 15:31 |
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| matthew- | http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/04/16/kyocera-unveils-kinetic-flexible-oled-cell-phone/ | 15:31 |
| rcg-work | X-Fade: i think the problems with ant and libjline are caused by something similar .. i accidently uploaded i386 versions for these which because of missing icedtea6 for i386 complain about missing dependencies | 15:31 |
| smoku | X-Fade, I see a field for SSH key, but not for GPG | 15:31 |
| matthew- | ;> | 15:31 |
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| X-Fade | rcg-work: ant seems to have an empty line in the description. This marks the end of the package part. | 15:32 |
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| matthew- | btw any1 seen nokia n8 yet? | 15:34 |
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| Surfa | i think on this channel answer is absolutely yes | 15:37 |
| matthew- | i just saw it | 15:39 |
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| matthew- | bit let down that they make it on symbian | 15:39 |
| matthew- | and makes me wonder how their proc and gpu can offer hdmi out when my n900 get clamped with simple divx | 15:39 |
| matthew- | when i connect it to my tv | 15:40 |
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| smoku | matthew-, for TV out you need to render second display, and you may put the same both on LCD and via HDMI | 15:43 |
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| wazd | after reboot my n900 screwed up menu transitions, is that normal? :) | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | probably not | 15:50 |
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| rcg-work | X-Fade: hmm i can't find that empty line .. | 15:51 |
| rcg-work | Description: Ant is a system independent build tool. | 15:51 |
| rcg-work | Ant is commonly run from the command line. | 15:51 |
| rcg-work | Ant is distributed under the terms of the Apache License Version 2.0. | 15:51 |
| rcg-work | XSBC-Bugtracker: | 15:51 |
| fraggeln | anyone tried to compile mysql to run on n900? | 15:51 |
| fraggeln | just for fun that is. | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | ~tell iPeter- about flashing | 15:52 |
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| ZogG | Stskeeps, your are mod on talks right? | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | god save us all | 15:57 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 15:57 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG_: sorry, Allah save us all :) | 15:58 |
| ZogG | any mod here, i just wonder is anybody reading reports? or it's useless? | 15:58 |
| ZogG | haha | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | ZogG: they're reading | 15:58 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lmfao | 15:58 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG_ is a horny MohammadAG | 15:58 |
| * MohammadAG_ kicks crashanddie for being a racist! | 15:58 | |
| MohammadAG_ | o.O | 15:58 |
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| ZogG | no more | 15:58 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: Mohammad (or Mohammed) is the most common name on the planet, and 97% of them are muslim | 15:59 |
| ZogG | circumcised now =) | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG | and the other 3% are? | 15:59 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: statistically speaking, I'm being considerate when respecting the statistically most probably religion of your name | 15:59 |
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| MohammadAG | I heard statistically twice in one sentence, consider me lost | 16:00 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, others are those who turned into islam and they are Alis =) | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | I love that expression, "Turning to Islam" | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | There's almost this racist connotation that it's "taking a wrong turn" | 16:01 |
| fraggeln | crashanddie: the most common name in India is Kumar ;) | 16:01 |
| fraggeln | everyone in India is named kumar :D | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | fraggeln: never met a kumar actually | 16:01 |
| ZogG | crashanddie but you saw the movie =) | 16:02 |
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| noobmonk3y | Mo mo moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! | 16:02 |
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| ZogG | crashanddie, i didn't say that. i respect any religion until person is not fanatic | 16:02 |
| * MohammadAG hides | 16:02 | |
| * noobmonk3y eats frals | 16:02 | |
| * MohammadAG locks the doors | 16:02 | |
| MohammadAG | and the windows | 16:02 |
| crashanddie | fraggeln: though I've met quite a few zahid's, pallavi, nilesh, chandra | 16:02 |
| wazd | looks like it ignores "sequenced" parameter | 16:03 |
| noobmonk3y | mo can you msg me pls - web chat is smelly and doesnt love me | 16:03 |
| wazd | that's strange | 16:03 |
| fraggeln | noobmonk3y: a small idea, dont use the webchat :D | 16:03 |
| noobmonk3y | fraggeln: at work :P | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | how helpful ^ | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | fraggeln: most corporate networks block irc outgoing | 16:03 |
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| * noobmonk3y is too lazy to use his n900 | 16:04 | |
| crashanddie | ZogG: hang on, that's the most stupid statement i've ever heard | 16:04 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: could always change your name... | 16:04 |
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| luke-jr | (this is where you come back "why should I? he's the one that sucks!" :P) | 16:04 |
| fraggeln | crashanddie: shellbox? :D | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | ZogG: you respect any religion as long as the people who endorse it are not fanatic? | 16:04 |
| fraggeln | crashanddie: there is always a way out :) | 16:04 |
| ZogG | crashanddie right | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | ZogG: how does the religion change based on its fanatics? | 16:04 |
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| MohammadAG | why should I? he's the one that sucks! | 16:04 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, i just think there is one God and everyone call it different | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | fraggeln: actually, my previous job blocked ssh as well, even ssh on port 443 was a no-go | 16:05 |
| fraggeln | crashanddie: its all just a matter of encapsulation :D | 16:06 |
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| ZogG | crashanddie, as well i say - do the way you think is the right one and don't try others to go this way - that's all | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | IRC sometimes = Off Topic | 16:06 |
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| MohammadAG | and Off Topic = Totally unrelated but still worth discussing. An "other" of sorts. No religious or political topics please. | 16:06 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: need I say more? | 16:06 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, yes | 16:07 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, you see - you overusing your power | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | I dare you | 16:07 |
| ZogG | you are weak | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | why on earth are you showing off | 16:07 |
| ZogG | we will come to you | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | no need | 16:07 |
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| MohammadAG | Australia right? | 16:07 |
| Psi | anyone know what memcoder video codec i need to use so that the default n900 mediaplayer can use its hardware accel to play it | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: not anymore :P | 16:07 |
| Psi | *mencoder | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | ZogG: but why does your perception of religion change based on how the people who say they fight for it react? | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | damn cloaks | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | I want your IP! | 16:07 |
| ZogG | i think people that act cool being OP have small penises =))) | 16:08 |
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| crashanddie | ZogG: if anything, zealots should make you hate zealots, not the religion they hide behind | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: hey, I haven't kicked anyone in weeks | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: i know, it's just an odd show of power | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: I haven't been abusive in weeks | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | ^ he wants to mind you | 16:08 |
| matthew- | was there a sport/training app? | 16:08 |
| matthew- | on n900? | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | eCoach | 16:08 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, that's what i'm saying - if person is douche - it doesn't matter what religion he is | 16:08 |
| rcg-work | matthew-: ecoach? | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | if the person is a douche, he's a crashanddie | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 16:09 |
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| rcg-work | hehe ;) | 16:09 |
| ZogG | i'm saying if you think your religion is cool - you have to be proud of it and don't try to show off infront of others | 16:09 |
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| crashanddie | ZogG: yes, but then your initial statement was incorrect. You respect any religion, however you lose respect for people who pretend to partain to a religion if they are extremists | 16:09 |
| * MohammadAG waiiits for it... | 16:09 | |
| ZogG | crashanddie, right | 16:09 |
| luke-jr | ZogG: so you hate all Catholics? | 16:09 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, because they use the religion to hide behind | 16:10 |
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| rcg-work | matthew-: also exercise counter i think | 16:10 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, nope =) i don't care about them | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, crashanddie and die wasn't annoyed | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | wtf | 16:10 |
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| MohammadAG | - and die | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: not by a long shot, i only get highlighted when my nickname is the first thing in the sentence | 16:10 |
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| luke-jr | ZogG: no? it is Catholic dogma (= everyone MUST profess, or they aren't Catholic) that all outside the Church go to Hell for eternity | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: not quite | 16:11 |
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| fraggeln | anyone have trouble with enter and escape when running in a screen on a remote box? | 16:11 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: I come from a hardcore catholic family, and sunday mass was really not big on our list | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG | overclo... wrong guy | 16:12 |
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| luke-jr | ZogG: it is also doctrinal (= everyone must accept, but not necessarily know) that false religions are not to be respected, and have no equivalence with the true religion | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: now, don't be an idiot | 16:12 |
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| * MohammadAG was an idiot? | 16:12 | |
| ZogG | luke-jr so they think i made sin - it's fine - they can keep thinking - but they also should look at themselves. like in their religion - when jesus walked and saw people throwing stones at prostitute, he said - the next who can throw is one who has done no sins - and they stoped | 16:12 |
| ZogG | people have to judge themselves - not others | 16:12 |
| bleader | fraggeln: I do, but haven't search for a fix | 16:12 |
| ZogG | and if the fat asses pops uses religion to make wars and so on - they are the ones who are f***ed upo | 16:13 |
| fraggeln | bleader: but you have the same "problem"? | 16:13 |
| fraggeln | bleader: are you running utf-8 on your shellbox as well? | 16:13 |
| luke-jr | ZogG: but also to teach all nations ;) | 16:13 |
| bleader | fraggeln: yep, I can't press enter when in ssh + screen on my box | 16:13 |
| bleader | fraggeln: yes too | 16:13 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, teach != force | 16:13 |
| fraggeln | bleader: annoying :/ | 16:13 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, i'll give you maemo example | 16:13 |
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| luke-jr | ZogG: if the death of one criminal spares the common good, capital punishment can be justified by the State | 16:14 |
| fraggeln | bleader: maybe I should make a post on the forums and see if anyone have a fix. | 16:14 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, nokia pr1.2 was leaked and nokia could invistaged and get ips of people and find all guys with new version, but they just said that it's wrong to use it - that's all | 16:14 |
| wazd | ыукшщгыднб фтв тщц ьутг ырщцы ьу ецщ дфнукы фе еру ыфьу ешьу | 16:14 |
| wazd | oh sht | 16:14 |
| luke-jr | totally different. PR1.2 won't land anyone in Hell | 16:15 |
| ZogG | wazd, привет | 16:15 |
| wazd | seriously, and now menu shows me both layers at the same time :) | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: there are a lot of inacurracies in the bible and the different religions | 16:15 |
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| ZogG | luke-jr, so what - same thing. | 16:15 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: Catholicism is 100% consistent and factual. | 16:15 |
| wazd | ZogG: hi there :0 spotted you at the habr :) | 16:15 |
| Termana | wazd, is that a warning or a threat? | 16:15 |
| ZogG | wazd, now i remember who are you | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: why do the preachers of cathol say you need to ignore other religions, when jesus was a jew? | 16:15 |
| wazd | Termana: more like a spell :) | 16:15 |
| ZogG | wazd, it was wierd - even someone shitted in my karma for that topic =)( | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | Termana: he's reciting latin coruses backwards, imoleha... | 16:16 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: Judaism was nothing other than Catholicism before Christ | 16:16 |
| wazd | ZogG: that's habr, look at my karma there :D | 16:16 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, not really | 16:16 |
| luke-jr | the new religion based on rejection of Christ is just another false religion leading to Hell | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: lolwut? | 16:16 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, it's hard to became jewish and they don't really want more people in there =) | 16:16 |
| wazd | Termana: innocent trick with menu transitions screwed my n900 :) | 16:16 |
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| ZogG | luke-jr, you can relax - all of us will end up in hell | 16:17 |
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| ZogG | at least we have to strt to make connections there | 16:17 |
| Termana | wazd, so your hoping magic spells will make it better? :P | 16:17 |
| wazd | Termana: what else I can do :) | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | ZogG: heh, at least we'll know people there :D | 16:17 |
| luke-jr | ZogG: why would that make me relax? | 16:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer YAAAAWWWN | 16:17 | |
| * MohammadAG gives DocScrutinizer his morning coffee | 16:17 | |
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| Termana | And that wasn't an awakening yawn either | 16:18 |
| ZogG | wazd, you have to push ← ← → X O UP DOWN Start and it will fix it | 16:18 |
| lcuk | the only religion of consequence in this chan is Church of Emacs--Saint IGNUcius | 16:18 |
| * MohammadAG switches to that ^ | 16:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 16:18 |
| Termana | With the holy disc above his head | 16:18 |
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| luke-jr | sigh | 16:18 |
| * crashanddie counters lcuk's claim with the Holy Book of Vimicius XII | 16:18 | |
| wazd | ZogG: oh! it helped! :) | 16:19 |
| ZogG | i knew it | 16:19 |
| lcuk | oh hell no you didnt | 16:19 |
| luke-jr | LOL figures | 16:19 |
| luke-jr | everything turns into emacs vs vi | 16:19 |
| ZogG | windows vs linux | 16:19 |
| ZogG | GO!! | 16:19 |
| luke-jr | ... | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | get SEDuced! | 16:19 |
| Termana | ZogG, not funny :) | 16:19 |
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| ZogG | Termana, not joking, linux is much better | 16:19 |
| luke-jr | ZogG: Macer isn't actively here... he's probably the only Windows advocate | 16:20 |
| wazd | I am | 16:20 |
| ZogG | damn =( | 16:20 |
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| wazd | linux sux :) | 16:20 |
| ZogG | wazd, are you windows user? | 16:20 |
| Termana | GTFO | 16:20 |
| * luke-jr gives wazd the boot | 16:20 | |
| Termana | errmmm... please? :P | 16:20 |
| lcuk | no i appreciate the subtle windows xp window manager | 16:20 |
| wazd | ZogG: yep :) | 16:20 |
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| crashanddie | I will VIllify emacs, I will VItrify your beliefs, I will chant inVIctus until the day has come you rightfully recognise the VIctorious VIctor. | 16:20 |
| * ZogG regret there is no option to punch people over interwebz | 16:20 | |
| chem|st | luke-jr: who is not able to boot emacs is not worthy emacs! | 16:20 |
| wazd | luke-jr: give me another an I'll be packed for the summer :D | 16:21 |
| ZogG | i don't have emacs or vi | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | <wazd> linux sux :) | 16:21 |
| * MohammadAG renames the bootloader | 16:21 | |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, use "ubuntsux" | 16:21 |
| wazd | oh, and now I have very slow simple zoom out menu | 16:21 |
| ZogG | suxuntu =) | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | iirc, the start up disk will now try to fix the registry, cause windows is confused | 16:21 |
| ZogG | biconfused | 16:22 |
| ZogG | any gay people here =) | 16:22 |
| * ZogG o.O | 16:22 | |
| MohammadAG | Linux, life without limits (or in this case Gates and Windows) | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | wtf | 16:22 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, if you decided to quote - use the right ones | 16:22 |
| chem|st | ZogG: you mean those iPhone folks? they arent gay they are just ... mmh sexualy disorientated | 16:22 |
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| ZogG | " software is like sex — better when it's free" | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazd | sox --reverse-nibbles --endian little >/dev/null | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 16:23 |
| ZogG | chem|st, good one =) | 16:23 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer: oh, now you got me :D | 16:23 |
| ZogG | chem|st, but i meant those who actually sleep with other guys =) | 16:23 |
| ZogG | btw any girls here as well? | 16:23 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISrhj2br4F0 | 16:23 |
| chem|st | ZogG: they arent gay neither way... | 16:23 |
| ZogG | chem|st, you are confusing me | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: sure, but they hide when you're in | 16:24 |
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| chem|st | ZogG: girsl.. I doubt it... or you need a hard guess *it* is female | 16:24 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, cause they are affraid i would crash their hearts? | 16:24 |
| * MohammadAG points to the top | 16:24 | |
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| crashanddie | chem|st: please don't attack people who use a different device than you do | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Myrtti, emma, revKathy - tell when ZogG gets unpolite ;-D | 16:26 |
| ZogG | hahaha | 16:26 |
| crashanddie | chem|st: you're a mod, lead by example | 16:26 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, nowdays you can never be sure who is hidding behind those nicknames | 16:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer giggles | 16:26 | |
| crashanddie | ZogG: you're probably a fat biggot who still lives with his parents, not many hearts are afraid of you ;) | 16:26 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: well... no | 16:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer checks her avatar | 16:27 | |
| ZogG | emma, do you know how shinny and beautiful my n900? =) | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | grammar fail | 16:27 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer avatar is really a bad movie | 16:27 |
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| ZogG | i hope the real avatar would be awesome | 16:27 |
| ZogG | ~avatar is terrible movie | 16:27 |
| infobot | ...but avatar is already something else... | 16:27 |
| ZogG | ~avatar | 16:28 |
| infobot | i heard avatar is an incarnation of a god | 16:28 |
| Termana | <crashanddie> ZogG: you're probably a fat biggot who still lives with his parents, not many hearts are afraid of you ;) | 16:28 |
| Termana | crashanddie, what is it you said about leading by example? | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ignore ZogG | 16:28 |
| ZogG | Termana, let's say i'm skinny and left my parents at age 14 =) | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | Termana: I'm an op, not a mod | 16:28 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, it's unfair =( | 16:28 |
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| wazd | can maemo be using some other transitions.ini file somehow? | 16:29 |
| * ZogG has a feeling that DocScrutinizer is jealous | 16:29 | |
| crashanddie | Termana: also, I'd rather tell what I feel about people to their face, rather than alienate a complete group of people for no reason, other than the fact they own a different piece of hardware | 16:29 |
| chem|st | isnt anyone in the internet a fat guy eating junkfood? | 16:29 |
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| lcuk | except for the guy who says hes a fat guy | 16:29 |
| ZogG | chem|st, i wish i would 20 more kgs | 16:29 |
| Termana | crashanddie, I don't care what you are. Op or mod. You still have the same faggot type powers. The power to ban the trolls, which is the most faggoty of them all | 16:30 |
| ZogG | be* | 16:30 |
| chem|st | men are men, women are men, kids are men, other kids are childabuse detectives(also men) | 16:30 |
| Termana | and chem|st is an FBI agent | 16:30 |
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| crashanddie | Termana: actually, mods have very little power to ban | 16:30 |
| ZogG | Termana, wtf? | 16:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer notices enormous spike in OT-graph of #maemo | 16:30 | |
| timeless_mbp | can you guys please go to #somewhere-else ? | 16:31 |
| ZogG | ~unignore ZogG | 16:31 |
| Termana | Maybe I need to add an $1.99 SARCMARK to my sentence? | 16:31 |
| * chem|st isn't a mod | 16:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | /mode +q #maemo ZogG | 16:31 |
| ZogG | \= | 16:31 |
| ZogG | ._. | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | Termana: you may want to clarify what you were trying to say, yes | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | chem|st: you're not the chemist from tmo? | 16:32 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: sure I am but I want to hide myself... | 16:32 |
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| crashanddie | don't worry, your secret is safe with me | 16:33 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: and I am able to ban all over the place, change your signature and so on... but I just dont | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | chem|st: yeah, but that's because your super-mod now | 16:33 |
| tybollt | SUPER!1111 mod | 16:33 |
| chem|st | true but I think I just recogniyed the backend a bit late | 16:33 |
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| crashanddie | most mods are only able to moderate 2 or 3 forums, and only have the touch-n-ban right (only allowed to ban accounts less than a month old, and with less than x posts, typically for spammers) | 16:34 |
| chem|st | and arent able to do a "kill'em all and let god sort them out" | 16:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer </YAAAAWWN> && <quit> | 16:35 | |
| * ZogG is watching BBT | 16:35 | |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, hows usb coming along | 16:36 |
| chem|st | well back to topic! I hate those stereotype iPhone users they dont need to own one! its just the kind of people I can but dont want to deal with, it is on my choice isnt it | 16:36 |
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| lcuk | chem|st, what if your girlfriend got an iphone | 16:37 |
| moo--- | opera 10 | 16:37 |
| moo--- | this rocks | 16:37 |
| chem|st | friends have iPhones but they dont act like those pretenders/sexualy disorientated/stockholm syndrom deceased folks | 16:37 |
| lcuk | ++ | 16:37 |
| tybollt | lcuk: I think he means the kind of people whos iphone IS their girlfriend ;) | 16:37 |
| nid0 | my girlfriend was vaguely tempted by an iphone last october | 16:37 |
| tybollt | whose | 16:37 |
| nid0 | I slapped her and told her to get a real phone | 16:37 |
| chem|st | nid0: good boy ;) | 16:38 |
| ZogG | nid0, they are people too | 16:38 |
| lcuk | nid0 :S | 16:38 |
| nid0 | thats quite an interesting gradient of responses between you three | 16:38 |
| lcuk | and chem|st theres people with same kind of fascination for maemo devices | 16:38 |
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| nid0 | and in descending order of appreciation of my response, too. | 16:39 |
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| * lcuk adds legs to the bubbles | 16:40 | |
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| chem|st | former girlfriend decided to buy a phone on her own, she decided for something realy goodlooking... but just useless if you want to do more than texting and phone calls, she recognized the first day, 2 years later she asked me to look for a set of phones goodlooking but smart too... | 16:41 |
| lcuk | are math operations in python slower than using an array | 16:41 |
| lcuk | (old skool sinarray) | 16:41 |
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| chem|st | lcuk: I think the op which is called is not the fastest | 16:42 |
| lcuk | yeah ive got some heavy math currently in the bit of python ive been playing with | 16:42 |
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| lcuk | and i need more unfortunately | 16:43 |
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| chem|st | lcuk: and yes they may own a N900 and I'd like to shove it up their rectum | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | ? | 16:43 |
| chem|st | guten abend herr reitschuster | 16:43 |
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| tybollt | halo herr Kemist! | 16:43 |
| alterego | Liking Opera, though I much prefer MicroB's zooming | 16:44 |
| chem|st | tybollt: that would be "hallo herr chemiker" | 16:44 |
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| tybollt | na ja herr kemist - das ist quatsch :) | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: assembler ;-P | 16:44 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it works nicely from c | 16:44 |
| lcuk | i already have all the code there, just testing limits of current python and qt | 16:45 |
| lcuk | wanting specific things to go faster | 16:45 |
| lcuk | between pythons slow handling of simple objects iwth heavy math to qt's slow handling of qpainter.* calls | 16:45 |
| lcuk | it just doesnt have the same zing as im used to | 16:46 |
| chem|st | tybollt: ausserdem heiss ich nicht chemiker mit nachnamen | 16:46 |
| lcuk | chem|st, english in main channel please | 16:46 |
| lcuk | or as close as you are capable | 16:46 |
| tybollt | Oh give us a break lcuk =) | 16:46 |
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| chem|st | ~slap lcuk | 16:46 |
| lcuk | im not a mod or an op, its just common courtesy | 16:47 |
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| chem|st | lcuk: you know that it was less than 10 votes putting german away from becoming the world dominant language? better learn it! | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | die | 16:48 |
| hawai`i | lmfao | 16:48 |
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| hawai`i | regime change! | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | for those interested, N900 hardware adaptation team for MeeGo has opened up development, http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-May/002131.html | 16:48 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: ty | 16:48 |
| achipa | lcuk: heavy math ? sounds like numpy or ctypes to me | 16:49 |
| * MohammadAG seconds the thanks | 16:49 | |
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| lcuk | well chem|st bis das geschieht, sollten Sie nur in diesem Channel Englisch | 16:49 |
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| achipa | Stskeeps for president ! | 16:49 |
| chem|st | lcuk: nice try | 16:49 |
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| achipa | is that google translate ? | 16:50 |
| chem|st | sounds like | 16:50 |
| lcuk | yes :$ | 16:50 |
| chem|st | hehe | 16:50 |
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| lcuk | just be sensible | 16:50 |
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| * noobmonk3y thanks thirdly | 16:50 | |
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| lcuk | achipa, its a small block | 16:51 |
| chem|st | lcuk: but to use german words that you know and use is ok then? | 16:51 |
| lcuk | box2d would be nice | 16:51 |
| frals | Stskeeps: pretty annoying that linewrapping is fubar when reading the archives there :( | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | frals: yeah, i agree | 16:51 |
| lcuk | achipa, try this http://liqbase.net/stuff/liqbubbles2.py | 16:51 |
| lcuk | it has a calc_overlap routine | 16:51 |
| lcuk | that in python really slugs up beyond about 15 bubbles | 16:52 |
| * noobmonk3y shoves frals up the bottom of a trout....... | 16:52 | |
| lcuk | its essentially the same calculation that liqflow uses | 16:52 |
| lcuk | and thats native c | 16:52 |
| lcuk | and works with many many more | 16:52 |
| chem|st | noobmonk3y: wrong way around? | 16:52 |
| noobmonk3y | lol chem|st u sure? | 16:53 |
| lcuk | achipa, i tried using all the tricks in the python speedup thread | 16:53 |
| lcuk | even compiling it doesnt do much | 16:53 |
| Jaffa | frals: Stskeeps: anyone raised a CSS bug against the MeeGo archives? | 16:53 |
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| lcuk | i ran it over shedskin and got some very clean but incomplete c++ code | 16:54 |
| lcuk | (shedskin doesnt know about qt) | 16:54 |
| chem|st | noobmonk3y: well I guess its worth a try! | 16:54 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 16:54 |
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| Termana | Anyone know the appropriate /dev nodes to control the 3G radio? | 16:55 |
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| noobmonk3y | control it? :P | 16:55 |
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| noobmonk3y | it has a life of it's own :) | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: it's a network interface | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | (linewrapping) was too annoying for me. Reading the raw text now ;-) | 16:56 |
| achipa | lcuk: arrays are really slow... though a little profiling would be needed to see the bottleneck | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: did we have the meeting today or did it get moved? | 16:56 |
| lcuk | achipa, that simple little .py app | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: It seems we have one today, but nobody seems to be able to attend. | 16:56 |
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| Termana | Stskeeps, what about for the actual phone interface? | 16:57 |
| lcuk | is basically the simplicity that i want to work fast - obviously with more methods from qpainter.* (text and image blitting etc) | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: same, packets over a network interface | 16:57 |
| noobmonk3y | brb | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: i think. | 16:57 |
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| achipa | lcuk: 500 lines is HUGE in python terms ;) | 16:57 |
| lcuk | so im concentrating on the aspects that ive noticed are slow | 16:57 |
| lcuk | ok yeah i know | 16:57 |
| hawai`i | So, who knows this character who has patched WL1251? | 16:58 |
| lcuk | but i have also my sketching app | 16:58 |
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| lcuk | which is same basic structure | 16:58 |
| lcuk | but with less math | 16:58 |
| lcuk | its the calculations that are important | 16:58 |
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| achipa | lcuk: just saying I can't grasp the whole app with just a single glance :) | 16:58 |
| lcuk | to do what i want with sketches (which i want to render in each bubble) | 16:58 |
| lcuk | heh i dont expect you to! | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | just in geneal "python calculation is slow" | 16:59 |
| achipa | f.e. os.system is a killer, but I don't know how often you call it | 16:59 |
| lcuk | yeah theres cruft in there theres not part of the speed issues lol | 16:59 |
| lcuk | thats just playing with knight rider keyboard | 17:00 |
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| achipa | lcuk: yes, calculation is slow. If you care about that, use ctypes or numpy | 17:00 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, do you know what nodes are used though - eg. /dev/modem or /dev/ttyACM0 is a dialup modem interface usually | 17:00 |
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| achipa | lcuk: the point is python tries to keep it simple, and dynamic typing is no friend of fast math | 17:01 |
| lcuk | of course | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: what's "N900 hardware adaptation team for MeeGo" all about? Can we stop to push bme and other crap now? | 17:02 |
| achipa | but that's why you have ctypes and numpy - I'm repeating myself now :) | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: or join efforts with those of that team? | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | or join the team ? ;-D | 17:02 |
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| lcuk | yes achipa im wondering tho whether python interpreter itself can be optimised better - i could have just written this in c++ and not had this issue, im just feeling the boundaries | 17:03 |
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| Jaffa | frals: Stskeeps: Raised http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1968 | 17:04 |
| povbot | Bug 1968: Accept-Language based on "Regional settings" instead of "Device language" | 17:04 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: up to you - this is targetted for meego mostly :) | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: maemo / meego - I don't care | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: it's linux | 17:04 |
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| lcuk | achipa, and obviously within qt itself if the qpainter stuff can be given a kick up the backside | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and very probably it would be useless effort to RE a BME for maemo, if we could simply backport an open implementation from meego | 17:05 |
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| frals | Jaffa: :) | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: we have a closed BME atm, but a open one would probably be better | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ack | 17:06 |
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| achipa | lcuk: is that the 4.5 pyqt or 4.6 ? | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: that's why I ask what that team is all about | 17:06 |
| achipa | (qt ver, I mean0 | 17:06 |
| lcuk | achipa, presume its 4.5 | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: porting meego to n900 :) | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: in short terms, go see wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesyesyesss | 17:06 |
| lcuk | tho im on 1.2 it might already be changed but i dont know | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: but will they e.g port BME? | 17:07 |
| achipa | cause 4.6's painter is a lot quicker in many cases | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: it is ported | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | or build a new one? | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, povbot needs to be smarter at recognising maemo.org URLs | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | FOSS? | 17:07 |
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| achipa | lcuk - grep for version, if pyqt is 4.7.2 or newer, you're on qt4.6 | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | or BLOB? | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: not oss - but we strive to limit the amounts of blobs | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | there's only so much that can be done in short time, so | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | open development is first step to beating the blobs:) | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: that's *exactly* my question. should I join that team with my ideas about BME replacement? | 17:08 |
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| lcuk | achipa, version of which? command line please and ill tell you | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: well, you join a team by merit of contributions - so i guess it might be a way | 17:08 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: we do say that all contributions are welcome | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok | 17:09 |
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| achipa | lcuk: dpkg -l | grep python2.5-qt4 | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | the standard disclaimer | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | 4.7.3-maemo2 | 17:09 |
| lcuk | for all, common core gui | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | "contributions welcome, but don't expect to see any support from the team until you gained merit" | 17:10 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Today's meeting was due to start in 50 minutes | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: oh, i thought it was now | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: nop, better than that | 17:10 |
| chem|st | 15UTC it was hmm | 17:10 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, But since Tero and Ferenc have said they won't be there, Jaffa proposed pushing it back | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: yeah, i agree | 17:11 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: 'Anyone is welcome to contribute and non-member contributions will be treated with same process and review as member contributions. ' | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | dneary: It will probably be better not to have it at the end of the working day. | 17:11 |
| lcuk | achipa, so im already on the latest stuff then - ill boil this down to test case size and then can profile better | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Especially in finland, people all leave before 17:00 local time. | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: go read the mails, we really do mean open development seriously :P | 17:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs and mumbles "agenda" | 17:12 | |
| dneary | X-Fade, Still about? | 17:12 |
| dotblank | Finally done with exams.. now I can fiddle with the n900 | 17:12 |
| dneary | (ah, guess so) | 17:12 |
| dneary | X-Fade, I proposed our regular meeting time to allow as many people as possible to attend | 17:12 |
| dneary | We always meet at 15h UTC, don't we? | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | dneary: You forgot to compensate for DST. | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan_Home, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52378 lol | 17:13 |
| dneary | X-Fade, There are a lot of US centered people for whom 3pm or 4pm Finnish time is still bedtime | 17:13 |
| dneary | X-Fade, I think you'll find I didn't | 17:13 |
| rmrfchik | am I late? http://labs.opera.com/news/2010/05/11/ | 17:13 |
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| chem|st | X-Fade: 15 utc is in 45 min or do you mean to push it ahead for the finns | 17:13 |
| dneary | X-Fade, 15h UTC is 17h CEST, 18h Finnish time | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | dneary: 14:30 in March. | 17:14 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: Which was 1.5 hours earlier. | 17:14 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Indeed | 17:14 |
| dneary | It's unfortunate that none of the affected finns have said anything about it - it would be better to say "this time will never be good for me", rather than "I can't make it this week' | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.doodle.com/ | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | -> Jaffa | 17:15 |
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| dneary | X-Fade, Would you mind putting your 2c into the mediawiki docs discussion on maemo-community, please? | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | feel happy you got no office in Taipei ;-P | 17:16 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Those things take ages, and are never very reliable | 17:16 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: fair enough | 17:16 |
| X-Fade | Global communities always have pain when it comes to scheduling meetings. | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 17:17 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, What's your timezone? You're Germany, right? | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: poland | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | but same | 17:17 |
| dneary | X-Fade, This is why you should almost never have any | 17:17 |
| dneary | The one exception is when there is some massive change which requires some real-time chat to work out, or a long discussion where you need a decision | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I lack energy to reply to Jarmo's eternal threads. | 17:18 |
| dneary | X-Fade, I would appreciate you backing me up on this one, especially since you're the sysadmin who said "I won't do it". | 17:19 |
| dneary | I've invoked your name, but it would really be great to have you say something | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Yeah, charging to comment ;) | 17:20 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: Short is that they drop a tool and maintenance burden on use without communicating when the thing got designed. | 17:20 |
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| X-Fade | s/use/us/ | 17:20 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: dneary: Short is that they drop a tool and maintenance burden on us without communicating when the thing got designed. | 17:20 |
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| dneary | X-Fade, Yeah | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | (no linewrap in maemo/pipermail) dunno if borrowing some CSS or whatever from e.g. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013978.html would help | 17:21 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, I hope you didn't mind the changes I proposed for the best practices page? | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dneary, Stskeeps ^^^ | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: we filed a bug for meego at least | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: i like to think of it as an evolving document, so no - i don't mind | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: ie, experiences and troubles by not working in the open | 17:22 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, The "don't give new employees commit" is my absolute best tip | 17:23 |
| dneary | It is the one measure which can make development work transparent and expose huge problems in patch review | 17:23 |
| dneary | And it sends a great message to the community | 17:23 |
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| dneary | It is also uniformly the one which developers and technical managers resist fiercely | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: :nod: saw harri's mail about n900/meego? | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Hehe, I think you hit the nail on the head there. | 17:24 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Yup, saw & replied | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | dneary: That won't be a popular thing though :) | 17:25 |
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| dneary | It is, fortunately, one that upper management tends to "get" straight away | 17:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | External people slow down development by objecting to perfectly reasonable code that has already passed internal review... | 17:25 |
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| dneary | Esp. when you say "what code review processes do you have in place during a new employee's trial period?" | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: exactly | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: same on EE side | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: well, no reply to the list at least | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: indeed | 17:26 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Really? | 17:26 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, dneary, it is to the list | 17:26 |
| timeless_mbp | the last code i reviewed had at least one error every two lines, iirc | 17:26 |
| dneary | Jaffa, In response to your "anyone know of..." question on the list, Stskeeps's proposal of doodle is about the best available | 17:27 |
| dneary | Personally I hate it | 17:27 |
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| dneary | Termana, Thanks | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: well, it's not in meego-dev archives yet | 17:27 |
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| dneary | Ah | 17:28 |
| dneary | Sending failed. | 17:28 |
| dneary | Resending | 17:28 |
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| Termana | Oh | 17:29 |
| Termana | Don't mind me - that was from slaine | 17:29 |
| Termana | Sorry :P | 17:29 |
| Termana | Its midnight here :P | 17:29 |
| Termana | dneary, but I just got yours anyway :P | 17:30 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: hm, i guess there's a bit of confusion in harri's mail if it's about 'open source hw adaptation' or just 'opening up the team development' | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | it's the latter, but our goal is to minimize having to use closed source blobs as it doesn't look pretty | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, 'doesn't look pretty'? | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't, it is irritating to work with and is a bit ugly :) | 17:32 |
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| Stskeeps | open source is easier to work with | 17:32 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, It is about making the team transparent | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 17:32 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, I got that | 17:32 |
| dneary | But he does mention in the wiki page that development won't be completely open because of some closed components | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's actually my wording of it | 17:33 |
| dneary | That leads naturally to the question: "which ones, exactly?" | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | at this moment, bme, gles libs, bt firmware and wifi firmware (i can't recall exactly), but the situation may change | 17:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Binary components aren't _too_ bad. | 17:35 |
| SpeedEvil | As long as they are well documented. | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: but yes, having a project list/documentation of what is 'off bounds' sounds like a good idea | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | if we can find a reasonable pattern on how to do it in a sane way, the pattern would probably be duplicated | 17:36 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, bme = battery management, gles = 3D, bt firmware = bluetooth? wifi firmware means no wifi??? :( | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: well, closed components are the ones you can grab by putting in your IMEI on tablets-dev | 17:37 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: And cellular? Or is there something talking SPI? | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: i think there's open work being done in that direction. | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | Ok, even better. | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: it's like with mer's vendor repositories, prove you have a device and you get access to all the blobs you need and how you want to remix them :) | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: closed components are acceptable at 'boundary' only | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | agreed, dead center of architecture is not good :P | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I.E. when the purpose is to interface a peripheral component to the system | 17:40 |
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| dneary | Jaffa, You only went to Monday? | 17:40 |
| dneary | Jaffa, With 3 kids, weekends are always hard for me | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g. for BME that's ot completely applicable | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Not* | 17:41 |
| dneary | Jaffa, And Thursday is a holiday here | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | dneary: in most european countries | 17:41 |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, I've been telling the FSF guys that there is a good chance they'll have a usable smartphone with a 100% free N900 + MeeGo 1.0 | 17:42 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, I might be wrong... :) | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | dneary: How could you say that? | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: i wouldn't bet my horses on 100%, because of imgtec | 17:43 |
| dneary | imgtec? | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | PowerVR. | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | well - isn't FB in kernel? | 17:44 |
| awilkins | By "usable" you presumably mean "not quite as _useful_ as the commercial version" ? | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | So you could have it - it just wouldn't have shiny accel | 17:44 |
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| awilkins | The list of things on the "please open this" page contains things I can't see being opened up | 17:44 |
| tybollt | dneary: how is n900 100% free? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: but i am hoping for a lot of nokia components to open and hw vendors turning soft. | 17:45 |
| tybollt | does it not contain a SGX chip? | 17:45 |
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| lcuk | im hoping for open source applications | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: and 98% is a lot better than our current 43% :) | 17:45 |
| lcuk | user facing components | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: What is the reason for 5PM and not say 4PM for instance? :) | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | awilkins: Some may be reverse engineerable even in the face of kicking and screaming. | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | awilkins: It looks like BME may be one of those. | 17:46 |
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| lcuk | if these apps are meant to have different User experience front ends, then an open community frontend should also be viable | 17:46 |
| dneary | tybollt, I said "an N900 with MeeGo 1.0" | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Or the equivalent of the times you picked . | 17:46 |
| awilkins | I wanted the ringer application to be opened so I could do "ringtone per contact (per profile!!!)" | 17:46 |
| dneary | awilkins, And yes, that's what I mean | 17:47 |
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| awilkins | Also would need ability to insert own KV pairs into the contact DB | 17:47 |
| tybollt | dneary: Awesome so Meego will have a fully opensource Poulsbo driver? | 17:47 |
| tybollt | that's fantastic | 17:47 |
| dneary | You have to realise, these guys hacked the Android firmware to replace all proprietary components with free equivalents, or just dumped the proprietary components completely | 17:47 |
| alterego | Poulsbo? | 17:47 |
| dneary | tybollt, You didn't hear me say I was probably wrong? | 17:47 |
| dneary | tybollt, I have no definitive information | 17:48 |
| dneary | tybollt, I was (and still am) drinking the kool-aid | 17:48 |
| dneary | tybollt, Also, I definitely do not expect 100% functionality | 17:48 |
| tybollt | =) | 17:48 |
| dneary | For example, if we have GPS, I'll be pleasantly surprised | 17:48 |
| dneary | What's Poulsbo? | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | emacs interface | 17:49 |
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| Stskeeps | , would be good for n900 open mage | 17:49 |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, The FSF might be good friends to have if the aim is a minimumly usable smartphone OS for the N900. | 17:50 |
| Termana | dneary, who is it that took stuff out of Android? (and what phone?) | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: so are there any teams inside Nokia working on opening up BME now? | 17:50 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Just because I had 5 slots and wanted some from morning UTC to evening UTC. If you have a better time option, let me know | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: I can add additional times | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | Ah, yeah well seems friday morning is popular anyway ;) | 17:50 |
| dneary | Jaffa, Are there any US participants in your list of desired participants? | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: Or maybe I should apply for that task @ Nokia? | 17:51 |
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| dneary | Termana, G1, and it was Aaron Williamson, from the SFLC, as far as I know | 17:51 |
| lcuk | +1 DocScrutinizer | 17:51 |
| dneary | Termana, I can put you in contact with Bradley Kuhn if you'd like | 17:52 |
| Terje_ | Uh, router in reboot loop and ADSL modem is delivering addresses without internet connectivity. Not going to be a good evening. | 17:52 |
| dneary | He can tell you better than I what works & what doesn't | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: It's insane to RE, if same time Nokians are going to build an open BME from their beter knowledge of the original BME sources | 17:52 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: I don't think open bme is high on Nokia's agenda. | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: and I think it really doesn't matter if that's for meego or maemo | 17:53 |
| dneary | Aaron's a lawyer, of all things | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: For them it works and only can get worse by opening up ;) | 17:53 |
| Termana | dneary, no I'm not personally interested in a COMPLETELY free phone, I am reasonable - I only asked because i hadn't heard about it, and thought I would google around to see if I could find more info about whats been done | 17:53 |
| dneary | X-Fade, It's probably not even required to have an open platform | 17:54 |
| dneary | Termana, You say that as if wanting a completely free phone platform were unreasonable... | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Well, if you don't want to charge your battery, sure. | 17:54 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Why is open BME required to charge the battery? | 17:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: just use an external battery | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: AIUI it's a PITA to them, and they'd happily discard it if only they knew how much of 3rd party IP is in it | 17:54 |
| Jaffa | dneary: Only council people AFAIK | 17:55 |
| dneary | I mean, can't charging the battery be a 100% hardware/firmware operation? | 17:55 |
| Termana | dneary, What I meant was, I am able to compromise, while others believe they shouldn't have to. | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | dneary: bme manages charging. | 17:55 |
| Termana | Maybe I need to pick my words more carefully :P | 17:55 |
| tybollt | hmm | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: something needs to be able to tell something in userland how much charge the battery has | 17:55 |
| Terje_ | dneary, it could if the hardware was designed that way. It's not. | 17:55 |
| tybollt | my N900 unit is becomming extremely hot when charging | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Try early mer and see how nice it was without bme. | 17:55 |
| tybollt | anyone else had that? | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | so the system can say "oh dear, i'm out of power, better shut down" | 17:55 |
| dneary | X-Fade, I had understood that it managed reporting battery state to the OS, and power management at the OS level (turning bits on & off when not required) | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: (manages charging) there's not so terribly much to manage | 17:56 |
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| dneary | I guess I understood wrong | 17:56 |
| lcuk | tybollt, i once charged my device in a wooden enclosure with a book ontop | 17:56 |
| lcuk | and could barely pick it up afterwards | 17:56 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: No, but without it it doesn't charge, so ;) | 17:56 |
| lcuk | it was my 810 but fun all the same | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | dneary: charging basically IS a 100% hw duty | 17:56 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: no | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: not correct | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I didn't hear any sirens today | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | hardware is 100% stupid | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | you have to tell the hardware what to do, and when to stop | 17:57 |
| dneary | DocScrutinizer: And yet X-Fade says we need BME software to enable it | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Even though all it does is flip a bit. | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | if you don't... | 17:57 |
| awilkins | You need the charger to have some logic for Li-ion batteries | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: just has to flip that bit because it did before | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the charger chip will start to charge without *any* SW inetraction/support | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | (charge from dead bat) | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Only if it gets enabled, right? | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | admittedly you need a 2liner script thingie to keep it charging >32minutes | 17:58 |
| tybollt | btw | 17:58 |
| tybollt | which of the fennecs do you folks regard as the better one | 17:58 |
| tybollt | the 1.0 or the 1.1 beta | 17:59 |
| tybollt | ? | 17:59 |
| timeless_mbp | 2.0! | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: no. It starts charging as soon as USB power is applied - on a shutdown system | 17:59 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: :-/ | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: the chip is designed to work autonomously | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: last i checked, it started to turn on as soon as power was applied | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: but you can improve its performance by sending a few commands to it | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | which is not the same as charging | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: doesn't relate | 18:00 |
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| X-Fade | I guess that can be tested by flashing a non-booting kernel and see if an empty battery gets charged. | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | will charge with 100mA *at least* - probably 500mA | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if charger detection in 1707 works the way it's supposed to | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | (the 500) | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bq24150 wakes up to 100mA charge mode as soon as VBUS is applied | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on CHRG_DET->OTG *hardware* signal it switches to 500mA | 18:04 |
| iPeter- | Hey help | 18:04 |
| tybollt | If the next device in N9xx series has got PSU-mode I'll buy it | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | PSU mode? | 18:04 |
| matthew- | hmmm whats with the 1.2 update from china? | 18:05 |
| Terje_ | Power Supply Unit | 18:05 |
| tybollt | yes to run off of just the charging unit | 18:05 |
| iPeter- | Im flashing my N900, and i ran that flasher-3.5 command, then it did print text and last it gave: Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: aaah | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't hapen | 18:05 |
| iPeter- | Is it doing something or not? | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 18:05 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: then it is not a tablet device over a phone (IMHO) and can never be. | 18:05 |
| ruskie | iPeter-, it's not doing anything | 18:06 |
| ruskie | iPeter-, unplug it and replug | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: GSM transmitter needs a big buffer for power supply spikes | 18:06 |
| ruskie | iPeter-, if that doesn't work unplug it... hold the u key pressed and replug it in | 18:06 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: so? | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why you always need battery (or a 10.000uF capacitor) | 18:06 |
| tybollt | ok :S | 18:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | well - it may be possible with cellmo off | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:07 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, hostmode | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | hostmode | 18:07 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: so w/ laptops how is it solved? | 18:07 |
| lcuk | with a hub and correct software support - printing from n900 o_O ? | 18:08 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: just bigger caps? | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:08 |
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| tybollt | sigh... silly engineers, can't they just make them MOAR TINY! :) | 18:08 |
| ohwhyme | Anyone know why I'm getting a unable to install extra plugins for conversations? | 18:09 |
| ohwhyme | Think it has something to do with libtelepathy? | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and usually 3G-USB sticks aren't supposed to work reliably from one single USB port - they mostly come with a nasty Y-cable to use 2 posts for power supply | 18:09 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I've found a thread on this, and it didn't seem to help. I'm trying to use the GUI installer for the Maemo SDK to install in Ubuntu 10.04 (fresh install). I wind up getting this error: http://gizmokid2005.pastebin.com/j0FwKnf8 and the thread I found doesn't help. | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: They are working very hard on using smaller engineers. | 18:09 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I even followed the SDK install instructions to do it via CLI, but then Xephyr doesn't work... | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: chinese ones are lots cheaper. | 18:10 |
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| tybollt | SpeedEvil: that's why they all outsource to Asia, yeah? | 18:10 |
| tybollt | ;:D | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: maybe Nokia would like to hire me to kill BME once and for all? | 18:10 |
| ZogG | who is BME or what is it? | 18:10 |
| tybollt | Whom can get Ari on to IRC? | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: no idea, i'm not in HR or even in nokia | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | ~BME | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ...instead of paying a 98th contractor to create another closed version of bme | 18:11 |
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| ZogG | ~google BME | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | bmezine.com | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | not that | 18:12 |
| ruskie | ZogG, battery manager iirc | 18:12 |
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| ZogG | ruskie, thanx =) | 18:12 |
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| * ZogG thinks that ruskie is working for google | 18:12 | |
| ruskie | nope | 18:12 |
| ruskie | I dispise google | 18:12 |
| iPeter- | ruskie: Okay, ill try | 18:12 |
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| ZogG | ruskie, why would you? | 18:13 |
| ruskie | hmm is it just me or does the n900 not have a lot of sound events? | 18:13 |
| ruskie | ZogG, google-watch.org and then some | 18:13 |
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| iPeter- | ruskie: This cant find my N900. Windows says its on update mode but this flasher says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." | 18:15 |
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| ZogG | ruskie meh, i don't like their policy, but search engineer is good and gmail is good - i don't care they to watch thru it | 18:16 |
| andre__ | iPeter-, which Windows version? 32bit or 64bit? | 18:16 |
| * tybollt reckon iPeter- isa happy owner of an iBrick! | 18:16 | |
| ZogG | don't keep that confidential info over internetz | 18:16 |
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| iPeter- | andre__: 64bit windows 7 | 18:16 |
| ZogG | iPeter-, you have to push some button while turning it on if i remember right | 18:16 |
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| ZogG | iPeter-, intall linux. | 18:17 |
| andre__ | iPeter-, see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6307#c4 | 18:17 |
| povbot | Bug 6307: Flashing device on Windows 7 64-bit bricked device (Windows tries to install drivers) | 18:17 |
| iPeter- | ZogG: Yeah, U button, its in updatemode but this flasher says that.. | 18:17 |
| ruskie | ZogG, u but iirc there is some issues with win7 | 18:17 |
| ZogG | LFS is the best shot to try | 18:17 |
| ruskie | ZogG, I prefered scroogle but google changed something | 18:17 |
| ZogG | ruskie, i say everyone is trying to use everyone, just not everbody succeed | 18:18 |
| ZogG | i even use chromium | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME | 18:20 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer already got it - but thanx | 18:21 |
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| MohammadAG | ~BME | 18:23 |
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| MohammadAG | infobot, BME is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME | 18:23 |
| infobot | okay, MohammadAG | 18:23 |
| ZogG | slowpoke | 18:24 |
| ZogG | bot is ignoring me =( | 18:24 |
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| ZogG | ~infobot | 18:24 |
| infobot | rumour has it, infobot is the most helpful and smartest of all the bots | 18:24 |
| ZogG | \o/ | 18:24 |
| ZogG | not anymore | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~monitor --strict 15 ZogG | 18:25 |
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| tybollt | ~ignore tybollt | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | morning andrewfblack | 18:28 |
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| crashanddie | ZogG: please stop torlling | 18:28 |
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| crashanddie | s/tor/tro/ | 18:29 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: ZogG: please stop trolling | 18:29 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: morning, hows everything going | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | good good | 18:30 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: happy because the meego for n900 team i'm working in is now officially working in the open | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: windoze flasher is flaky - make sure you use correct version of windows, admin mode, and dunno what else - or better just boot a linux from a live-CD | 18:32 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: BEfore you ... were all working out of the basement? :) | 18:33 |
| ZogG | crashanddie did i? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: close enough | 18:33 |
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| ohwhyme | does that mean meego will be available to the n900? | 18:34 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: Out of interest - who is your employer? Nok or Int? | 18:34 |
| frals | haha | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: cool | 18:34 |
| ZogG | ohwhyme, it will be in one way or other - the question if it would be fully functional meego | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | so when can i run meego 2.0 on my n900? | 18:34 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: he's a contractor, maemo community is one, could be intel and nokia too | 18:34 |
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| ohwhyme | nice | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: neither, i have my own company and contracting through another company for nokia | 18:34 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: surely I'm allowed to ask... (noone HAS to answer to anything :) | 18:35 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: Cool | 18:35 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: thats cool | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | in practice it means a distmaster role in maemo.org and meego arm work | 18:35 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, can we ask little bit more? | 18:35 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: now Meego for N810 :) | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: yes, i also do that | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | ZogG: if i'm allowed to not answer. | 18:36 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, and for 3310? | 18:36 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, are you working on hardware only or UI also? | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least you didn't say the 770 | 18:36 |
| iPeter- | Damn | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG: i don't work regarding ui, i'm more of a porter and system guy | 18:36 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: We are getting it on the 770 also sweet | 18:36 |
| Termana | :P | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: who's porting it to 770? | 18:36 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: you right you said 770 lol | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | (it -could- technically work on 770.) | 18:36 |
| tybollt | nice | 18:37 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, I think he was making a joke | 18:37 |
| adalal | hey, wht file to you cat to find out the current cpu freq | 18:37 |
| * frals waits for tmo to be filled with "nokia subcontractor confirming meego will work on all previous tablets" | 18:37 | |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, i mean not specificly you but at all - or it's developed in other companies or even you don't know | 18:37 |
| ZogG | interested if it's same team or it's not connected at all | 18:37 |
| Termana | frals, I'll start the topic, you grab the popcorn - GO | 18:37 |
| tybollt | "Sorry folks - can't have MeeGO on N900 yet for another half a year - we need to finnish off the support for 770 and 810 first" ;-P | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | frals: he's not nokia subcontractor | 18:37 |
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| jacekowski | frals: he's sub sub contracor | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | that's the -hardware adaptation- part | 18:38 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: can you beleive it was easier to get my N900 from qgil them to give it to someone else | 18:38 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps, Carsten, nice to meet you, i'm Misha =) | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: contracts are a bitch | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG: wello | 18:38 |
| iPeter- | Fu, i cant get this flasher to regonize my N900 | 18:39 |
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| ZogG | you have fake n900 so | 18:39 |
| Termana | iPeter-, tell him to cover up | 18:39 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: well I can't even get qgil to reply to me about it lol. Guess I'm stuck with it. Who knows maybe I will get interested in it again | 18:39 |
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| iPeter- | lol | 18:40 |
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| ZogG | andrewfblack, he can't | 18:40 |
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| ohwhyme | flash isnt coming on the n900 is it :p | 18:40 |
| tybollt | sigh... Tories won :-/ | 18:40 |
| ZogG | cause he can't provide you with unofficial info as i understand | 18:40 |
| ZogG | it was enuf that people start rumors fom his posts on talks | 18:40 |
| tybollt | 'enuf'? | 18:41 |
| ZogG | ohwhyme, what you mean flash? it is there | 18:41 |
| ohwhyme | i mean 10.1 :p | 18:41 |
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| ohwhyme | can't watch porn on my n900 nooo | 18:41 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: | 18:41 |
| timeless_mbp | > Team synchronisation meetings are held in #meego-meeting on irc.freenode.net every X at HH:MM UTC (TBA). View previous meeting minutes here and the next meeting agenda here. Proposals for the agenda can be added to the backlog. | 18:41 |
| ZogG | ohwhyme only adobe knows | 18:41 |
| timeless_mbp | that line needs work :) | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: yes, TBA | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | it also says (under construction) in the top :) | 18:41 |
| nid0 | odd, porn works fine on my n900 | 18:41 |
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| tybollt | nid0: it does! | 18:42 |
| ohwhyme | where? lol | 18:42 |
| tybollt | nid0: horray for N900! | 18:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: but it doesn't have a picture, so i ignored that line ;-) | 18:42 |
| ZogG | ohwhyme, you can sell it and buy hookers | 18:42 |
| tybollt | ~pr0n | 18:42 |
| ohwhyme | but i would end up talking to her all night | 18:42 |
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| ZogG | ohwhyme, do you play WoW? =) | 18:42 |
| nid0 | anywhere, I cant really see the reason for all the faff about flash 10.1, I find it quite hard to find streaming flash that *doesnt* play fine on my device as it is | 18:42 |
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| Termana | Looks like tmo has just invaded the channel | 18:43 |
| ohwhyme | lol no | 18:43 |
| ZogG | ~tmo | 18:43 |
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| Termana | ZogG, stop abusing the bot - everyone else, go back to your porn topics on tmo, at least give us some sanity here | 18:44 |
| ZogG | Termana, but bot is only one person willing to talk to me | 18:44 |
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| Termana | AND WITH GOOD REASON | 18:44 |
| ohwhyme | lol he's my only friend too | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | ~rape ZogG | 18:45 |
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| * Termana hands ohwhyme an award, it says: | 18:45 | |
| Termana | CONGRATULATIONS, | 18:45 |
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| Termana | THIS CERTIFICATE IS PRESENTED TO YOU IN HONOUR OF YOUR SMARTARSE PARROTING | 18:46 |
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| RST38h | AMEN | 18:47 |
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| * RST38h idly wonders on the choice of evil plans to commence | 18:52 | |
| Stskeeps | port meego to a gameboy | 18:52 |
| crashanddie | why "a" | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: google "uzix" | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | port tmo to a gameboy | 18:53 |
| RST38h | ported already | 18:53 |
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| RST38h | it is called Whack-A-Mole, part of the Konami Game&Watch Classics collection | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | then dump gameboy with tmo 11.000m deep to the ground of the sea | 18:53 |
| ohwhyme | anyone know why i cant install the extra plugins for conversations? Tried both extras and extras devel. Gives me /var/lib/dpkg/info/account-plugin-salut.postinst: line 6: /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon: not found | 18:54 |
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| * RST38h decides in favor of haunting another hapless t.m.o whiner | 18:54 | |
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| RST38h | the one I haunted over the long weekend was kinda entertaining, started cursing right from th first reply | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | AVAHI!!! grrrr | 18:55 |
| ohwhyme | wooot lol | 18:55 |
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| iPeter- | hey how do i start maemo flasher inside of ubuntu | 18:58 |
| MiXu- | sudo ./flasher -f -F imagename.bin | 18:58 |
| Rinsmaster | My mobile internet provider requires me to use their proxy server, without it, internet won't work. The thing is, on the N900 I can only set proxies for a few services/ports, like HTTP and FTP. Now I'd like to use stuff like msn and IRC, but since they use different ports they won't work (connections time out). Is there any solution for this? | 18:58 |
| MiXu- | iPeter: But I strongly suggest you read the flashing instructions in maemo.org | 18:58 |
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| crashanddie | ~tell iPeter- about flashing | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | iPeter-: second time I've sent you that link | 19:00 |
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| iPeter- | Oh didnt see infobot | 19:01 |
| iPeter- | sry | 19:01 |
| crashanddie | Rinsmaster: yeah, it's a known problem that there is no system-wide proxy setting | 19:01 |
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| crashanddie | Rinsmaster: this being said, IRC over HTTP doesn't work anyway, and neither does MSN | 19:02 |
| cato` | cool that Opera made theire Opera Mobile 10 available for Maemo | 19:02 |
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| Kegetys | could be a socks proxy | 19:02 |
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| MiXu- | cato`: They did? Where can you get it? | 19:03 |
| Khertan_n900 | Hi ! | 19:03 |
| cato` | MiXu-: http://labs.opera.com/news/2010/05/11/ | 19:04 |
| crashanddie | http://labs.opera.com/news/2010/05/11/ | 19:04 |
| Khertan_n900 | i finnally got VectorMine in extras ... not really fair play .. but now it s in extras :) | 19:04 |
| MiXu- | cato`: Oh, nice. | 19:04 |
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| crashanddie | There is no power management support. In practice this means that if you open a page with animations and leave Opera running, you will soon be using a payphone. Power is drained even when Opera is running in the background and/or the screen is turned off | 19:05 |
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| crashanddie | lol at payphone reference | 19:05 |
| cato` | :D | 19:06 |
| MiXu- | Let's hope there's gonna be an official version. | 19:06 |
| MiXu- | I'm not gonna bother with a preview. | 19:06 |
| Khertan_n900 | so same as microb here :) | 19:06 |
| RST38h | power management is really easy to add though | 19:06 |
| * Khertan_n900 hope timeless didn t read me :) | 19:06 | |
| RST38h | catch the standby signals, stop all timers and wait | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_n900: microb implements power management | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_n900: javascript counters are stopped and stuff when the screen goes off | 19:07 |
| Khertan_n900 | crashanddie : of course ! i was joking ! | 19:07 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 19:08 |
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| Khertan_n900 | there is just a bug with playing music while viewing some flash content with audio that can let pulse audio or something else between flsh player and pulse audio leaking cpu cycle | 19:11 |
| Khertan_n900 | and so drain battery | 19:11 |
| Khertan_n900 | but it s not a microb bug | 19:11 |
| Khertan_n900 | and seems fixed in pr1.2 from what i read in b.m.o | 19:12 |
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| crashanddie | so now there's going to be "Fixed in 1.2" T-shirts? | 19:15 |
| MiXu- | lol | 19:16 |
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| cato` | I like the Opera alpha | 19:16 |
| Khertan_n900 | it s an idea ... but i doubt there will be an other maemo summit | 19:17 |
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| Khertan_n900 | and i m not sure all meego the community will undertood such tshirt | 19:17 |
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| RST38h | "FIXED..." -- "NEVER!" (on the back) | 19:21 |
| Khertan_n900 | someone know how to unactivate auto capitalization on QTextEdit (in pyqt) ? | 19:22 |
| RST38h | there is a global system setting no? | 19:23 |
| Khertan_n900 | ~ping | 19:23 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:23 |
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| RST38h | Need to get 111MB of archives. | 19:26 |
| RST38h | After this operation, 203MB of additional disk space will be used. | 19:26 |
| RST38h | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. | 19:26 |
| RST38h | Eeeek | 19:26 |
| RST38h | hello kontori | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | konttori: hi! You managed to find any way to make modem Engineering Mode available? (like for reading out BTS details, list of neighbour cells etc) - you remember onen_openbmap asking for that some weeks ago here | 19:30 |
| RST38h | this widelands thing has got insane dependencies | 19:30 |
| konttori | Yes, I remember that. | 19:30 |
| smoku | MiXu-, don't count on official opera mobile for maemo. this is a hobby project of few of our programmers done in a spare time. | 19:31 |
| konttori | I did get a quote from the cellmo team about it as well. They were suggesting extending one library for this reason, but my memory fails to remember what it was | 19:31 |
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| MiXu- | smoku: Yeah, I noticed. I was just saying I'm hoping to see an official version as well. :) | 19:31 |
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| RST38h | Unofficial is fine as long as it works | 19:32 |
| smoku | MiXu-, well... programmers find it fun to work on these, but QA guys are not willing to spend free time on testing, so hope is all you're left with :D | 19:32 |
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| MiXu- | :) | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | <RST38h> E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | move it! | 19:33 |
| * javispedro sneezes | 19:33 | |
| javispedro | mooooooo... aw. | 19:33 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: I will wait for a reasonable package installation instead | 19:33 |
| RST38h | EHLO javispedro | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | konttori: any pointer where I could try to pick up the loose ends? | 19:34 |
| ohwhyme | hey mohammed :) | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | hey | 19:34 |
| ohwhyme | thanks for the help with the extras plugin | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, which app? | 19:34 |
| ohwhyme | it works | 19:34 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/widelands/15-1/ | 19:35 |
| konttori | rodarvus: can you ask Petri for info on what DocScrutinizer51 was asking 19:30. | 19:35 |
| konttori | (tomorrow obviously) | 19:35 |
| RST38h | check out the dependencies | 19:35 |
| konttori | seems like this is question multiple people want to know. | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | konttori: thanks :) | 19:36 |
| javispedro | RST38h: lua == slow | 19:36 |
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| javispedro | at least until someone pushes LUAJIT | 19:36 |
| RST38h | heh | 19:36 |
| konttori | even not possible ever ever ever is good enough knowledge. | 19:36 |
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| RST38h | konttori: Are you still handling developers stuff? | 19:37 |
| konttori | I'm looking after Maemo API for Harmattan / Meego atm | 19:37 |
| konttori | so, in that sense, yes | 19:37 |
| RST38h | Oh | 19:37 |
| RST38h | konttori: There is a recent problem with sb2 | 19:37 |
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| konttori | So, I moved about a week ago from fremantle to harmattan | 19:37 |
| konttori | well, I was pulled. | 19:38 |
| konttori | RST38h: in fremantle sb2? or in sb2 in general? | 19:38 |
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| RST38h | konttori: remember that "fix" X-Fade introduced to make fremantle packages build with pre-1.2 dependencies? | 19:38 |
| RST38h | konttori: mm...sb2 in general I think | 19:38 |
| konttori | yeah, I do remember that | 19:39 |
| konttori | so, what about it? | 19:39 |
| RST38h | konttori: Anyway, the fix is a bunch of symbols + Debian Squeeze tools that can make use of them by computing the lowest possible deps | 19:39 |
| RST38h | konttori: The problem is that there are no Debian Squeeze tools for SB2 =(( | 19:39 |
| * javispedro sneezes again | 19:39 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: because it uses your host tools | 19:39 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Does not | 19:39 |
| javispedro | RST38h: as long as you use >= Lenny it will be fin | 19:39 |
| javispedro | e | 19:39 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Uses either Lenny or Etch tools. Does not have options to enable host tools. | 19:40 |
| javispedro | lenny should be fine | 19:40 |
| RST38h | javispedro: both lenny and etch installed implicitely | 19:40 |
| RST38h | explicitely sorry | 19:40 |
| RST38h | javispedro: hmm, gonna recheck. it did not work for me the last time =( | 19:40 |
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| korhojoa | damnit. | 19:41 |
| RST38h | javispedro: is there some special step I have to include into my rules file? | 19:41 |
| korhojoa | why is freebsd-linux ipsec so hard | 19:41 |
| javispedro | RST38h: nope; just ensure you keep the dh_shlibdeps one | 19:41 |
| RST38h | checkin' | 19:41 |
| javispedro | RST38h: you need to install some packages though -- maemo-sdk-symbols for a start | 19:42 |
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| RST38h | got maemo-sdk-symbols | 19:42 |
| RST38h | anything else? | 19:42 |
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| MohammadAG | <RST38h> Mohammad: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/widelands/15-1/ | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG | blame apt | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG | install it using HAM, it should download to MyDocs | 19:42 |
| Khertan | hi again ... | 19:42 |
| Khertan | ~t.m.o | 19:43 |
| javispedro | hi Khertan | 19:43 |
| Khertan | ~talk | 19:43 |
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| Khertan | ~add t.m.o the home of the whinning maemo community | 19:44 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: With deps like that, I am scared to install it =) | 19:44 |
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| Khertan | infobot add t.m.o the home of the whinning maemo community | 19:44 |
| Khertan | ~ping | 19:44 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:44 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 19:44 |
| javispedro | "t.m.o. is blablabla" | 19:44 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: hey it is fun as long as you treat it as hunting grounds | 19:46 |
| javispedro | ah well. | 19:46 |
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| javispedro | btw did I tell you the part where I got a negative vote because "this shitty SNES emulator doesn't load NES roms!" | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 19:46 |
| Khertan | hum i was blame for offering licence to VectorMine testers | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, check Ovi Store reviews then complain | 19:47 |
| javispedro | ah yes. I'm just KILLING for the "I can't play this on my N97. 0 stars." review. | 19:47 |
| Gizmokid2005 | Hmm, does 10.04 break Xephyr for the SDK? It seems it has: http://gizmokid2005.pastebin.com/BiYeFz32 | 19:47 |
| Khertan | as it could force user to vote just to got free licence ... | 19:47 |
| Khertan | maybe ... but else there is no testers | 19:47 |
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| Khertan | of course ovistore didn t exist for n900 ... it s a know fact | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | Gizmokid2005, haven't open the link yet, but remove the -kb option | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | Unrecognized option: -kb <-- yep | 19:49 |
| Gizmokid2005 | yeah, but is that the ONLY thing killing it? | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 19:49 |
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| Khertan | gizmokid2005 : yes it did ... and broke qemu install too | 19:49 |
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| MohammadAG | Khertan, that happens with each distro upgrade afaik :) | 19:50 |
| Gizmokid2005 | WEWT! | 19:50 |
| Gizmokid2005 | thanks MohammadAG :) | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | np :) | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | I added this to the wiki afaik | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | ~MaemoSDK | 19:50 |
| infobot | [maemosdk] http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 19:50 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I had tried that before...when I did the manual terminal install...but that just didn't work | 19:50 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG: i didn t blame ubuntu ... just explain what i see | 19:51 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I don't see it MohammadAG | 19:51 |
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| MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Starting.2FShutting_down_the_SDK_UI yep | 19:51 |
| Gizmokid2005 | ahhh | 19:51 |
| Gizmokid2005 | k | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG | Ubuntu 10.04 users using the package in the repositories will have to run the same command without the -kb, however the terminal window will have to stay open. | 19:51 |
| lcuk | konttori, hey - whats the maemo api then? | 19:51 |
| Khertan | maybe someone know how to remove autocapitalization of QTextEdit (pyqt) | 19:52 |
| RST38h | 19:52 | |
| Khertan | or point me to some maemo specifis tips and trick | 19:52 |
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| Khertan | link | 19:52 |
| Gizmokid2005 | to think...all this pain so I can work on some themes... | 19:53 |
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| Khertan | ~ping | 19:54 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:54 |
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| rodarvus | konttori, I will, thanks for pointing this out | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rodarvus: thanks! please ping me when there's any news | 19:58 |
| javispedro | Khertan: from looking at the qt/hildon im code, Qt::ImhNoAutoUppercase | 20:00 |
| RST38h | javispedro: ok, tried what you said. No doughnut. | 20:01 |
| RST38h | javispedro: libosso1 is still at >=2.26 | 20:01 |
| javispedro | ah, time to make some hd space and download it. | 20:01 |
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| frals | <javispedro> btw did I tell you the part where I got a negative vote because "this shitty SNES emulator doesn't load NES roms!" | 20:03 |
| javispedro | either way updating it to squeeze doesn't seem uberhard http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/rootstrap-index/lenny-2009-1.config | 20:03 |
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| frals | javispedro: atleast you got a comment, i got negative vote without a comment | 20:03 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: except that I am stupid and have no idea how to do it =( | 20:04 |
| javispedro | Khertan: look atQWidget::setInputMethodHints(Qt::ImhNoAutoUppercase) | 20:04 |
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| Khertan | thx javispedro : any idea on how to translate that to python ? | 20:06 |
| Khertan | oh thx | 20:06 |
| lopz | Hello, my n800 for a while began to sprout a pixelated line on the screen, ran from the top to the bottom of the screen .. h last night I stopped loading and morning NO WORK! the screen went all black with some light reflecting .. I reinstalled the system and it worked again .. , but now all the screen is pixelated, they interspersed lines, and the screen is no longer sharper .. Any idea that could have happened? I was just plugged in, did not fall or anyt | 20:07 |
| lopz | hing. | 20:07 |
| lopz | :( | 20:07 |
| lcuk | lopz, picture? | 20:07 |
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| lopz | I have no good resolution camera .. and not noticed the lines on the screen in any image (picture) lcuk | 20:08 |
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| lopz | :\ | 20:08 |
| Khertan | oh ! it s funny to see homeip in the tool section of the nokia pdf guide for qt developpers ! | 20:09 |
| Khertan | huhu | 20:09 |
| lcuk | lopz, have you by chance been watching doctor who on the device? | 20:09 |
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| Khertan | there is ls also a diablo screenshot huhu ! | 20:10 |
| lopz | lcuk, Yes, by chance .. I bought the device for years, in the USA but I live in Bolivia .. Here there is no support from Nokia | 20:10 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: I think the angel was lost there | 20:11 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, yes | 20:12 |
| Myrtti | lopz: I'd be surprised if theres support anywhere for that device | 20:13 |
| pvanhoof | Who's in charge of quality control for community packages for N900? | 20:13 |
| Khertan | hum ... noone | 20:13 |
| pvanhoof | So if a piece of software breaks the phone, then noone can remove the package? | 20:13 |
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| lcuk | pvanhoof, x-fade and the council can usually communicate | 20:14 |
| Myrtti | that's a different issue | 20:14 |
| pvanhoof | For example, I installed a software to select between GPRS, UMTS, G2, G3, I uninstalled it, and now it's impossible to select anything but Wifi | 20:14 |
| lcuk | and packages have been pulled when problems occur - fmradio for one | 20:14 |
| pvanhoof | That's quite insanely bad, no? | 20:14 |
| pvanhoof | To brick people's phones | 20:14 |
| lcuk | pvanhoof, then get onto maemo-dev mailing list and ping X-Fade and Jaffa and anyone else | 20:14 |
| lcuk | and file a bug on the software | 20:14 |
| Khertan | ~ping | 20:14 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:14 |
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| pvanhoof | Let me first try to recover from this developer's fuckup | 20:15 |
| pvanhoof | sigh.. | 20:15 |
| lcuk | pvanhoof, is it in extras? | 20:15 |
| lcuk | or -devel? | 20:15 |
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| pvanhoof | lcuk, dno, it was in the application manager without that I added any repo myself | 20:15 |
| pvanhoof | Standard out of the box n900 | 20:15 |
| lcuk | well check | 20:15 |
| lcuk | if its devel its your fault im afraid | 20:15 |
| pvanhoof | lcuk, no this wasn't devel | 20:15 |
| lcuk | well which package is it | 20:15 |
| pvanhoof | lcuk, all standard | 20:15 |
| pvanhoof | lcuk, im looking it up... | 20:16 |
| pvanhoof | lcuk, when I select inet connections and I have a gprs inet connection configured, it should always show the gprs one, right? | 20:16 |
| lcuk | only if its available? | 20:16 |
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| lcuk | mine appears and vanishes afaik based on whether i have sim in | 20:17 |
| pvanhoof | Well gprs is available on my data plan, and it used to be visible, but gprs is gone | 20:17 |
| pvanhoof | yeah my sim is in | 20:17 |
| lcuk | ok which app do you suspect | 20:17 |
| pvanhoof | at "Select connection" | 20:17 |
| pvanhoof | gimme a minute | 20:17 |
| pvanhoof | here I have wifi , at the restaurant where I was I didn't, so .. getting my phone back online now :) | 20:17 |
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| pvanhoof | grmbl :) | 20:18 |
| pvanhoof | So this is why harmattan will have a security framework :D | 20:18 |
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| pvanhoof | lcuk, when you select "All packages" , it's the second | 20:19 |
| lcuk | shit happens - and developers on all frameworks are just as capable of introducing bugs | 20:19 |
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| pvanhoof | "3G/2G/Duao Mode Selection Applet" | 20:19 |
| lcuk | im sure you have made a few booboos yourself | 20:19 |
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| pvanhoof | lcuk, yeah but we don't release that! :D | 20:19 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:19 |
| pvanhoof | "3G/2G/Dual Mode Selection Applet" | 20:19 |
| pvanhoof | That's the title | 20:19 |
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| lcuk | ok | 20:20 |
| pvanhoof | At least that's the software that I suspect caused this | 20:20 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/view/3g2g-mode-selection-applet/ | 20:20 |
| MiXu- | I haven't had problems with that app | 20:20 |
| pvanhoof | MiXu-, but did you uninstall it? | 20:20 |
| lcuk | yes well lets walk it through with qwerty :) | 20:20 |
| MiXu- | pvanhoof: No | 20:20 |
| pvanhoof | MiXu-, I uninstalled it because I want my phone to auto-select it, and now no more gprs at all :) | 20:20 |
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| MiXu- | pvanhoof: Did you reboot? | 20:20 |
| pvanhoof | Well anyway, I suspect that package | 20:21 |
| pvanhoof | MiXu-, yes | 20:21 |
| javispedro | pvanhoof: that's in extras, which means it worked for at least 10 users. So please ensure it really is that package. | 20:21 |
| pvanhoof | MiXu-, after reboot I saw the OpenVPN button in the menu too. Apparently I didn't reboot after installing openvpn software either | 20:21 |
| lcuk | well lets not get ahead of ourselves | 20:21 |
| pvanhoof | javispedro, but have those ten users uninstalled it? | 20:21 |
| lcuk | uninstallation may have done something different | 20:21 |
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| lcuk | but lets see what it does | 20:22 |
| pvanhoof | lcuk, yah, /me opens the package to check its scripts :) | 20:22 |
| MiXu- | I would be surprised if the selection-app was the one to blame, because it doesn't really have anything to do with APNs | 20:22 |
| * javispedro agrees with MiXu- | 20:22 | |
| pvanhoof | ok, is there anything I could check? I don't see my gprs connection in the "Select connection" dialog, but I do have it configured in Settings | 20:23 |
| lcuk | pvanhoof, did you disable the mode you need and then uninstall perhaps? | 20:23 |
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| javispedro | pvanhoof: can you do phone calls? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | ie just unintended consequence? | 20:23 |
| pvanhoof | lcuk, might be, I don't remember | 20:23 |
| lcuk | that sounds reasonable | 20:23 |
| pvanhoof | javispedro, yes | 20:23 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt know how uninstalling it could expect to restore the setting | 20:23 |
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| pvanhoof | lcuk, so if I reinstall it, enable the mode I need, and then uninstall, it should be back? | 20:23 |
| MiXu- | To recover, you can use gconftool2 to check whether your APN still exists. If it does you can remove it and it will reappear on boot. | 20:24 |
| lcuk | ive got a feeling it would | 20:24 |
| lcuk | it makes sense | 20:24 |
| pvanhoof | lcuk, lemme try | 20:24 |
| lcuk | the app just toggles switches | 20:24 |
| javispedro | you can use the control panel to change between 2g/3g/dual | 20:24 |
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| javispedro | which is all the applet does... | 20:24 |
| javispedro | (notice no "disabled" mode) | 20:24 |
| lcuk | me neither but its a possible | 20:24 |
| pvanhoof | javispedro, where do I do this? | 20:24 |
| javispedro | "Phone" control panel item | 20:24 |
| javispedro | Applications -> Settings -> Phone | 20:24 |
| pvanhoof | Network mode says "3G" | 20:25 |
| javispedro | well, try switching it to "Dual" | 20:25 |
| pvanhoof | ok | 20:25 |
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| javispedro | (which is the default...) | 20:25 |
| pvanhoof | Shouldn't it auto-detect this? | 20:25 |
| javispedro | autodetection = Dual | 20:25 |
| lcuk | pvanhoof, "auto" does the detection, the specific mode doesnt.. | 20:26 |
| pvanhoof | aha ok | 20:26 |
| pvanhoof | yes | 20:26 |
| pvanhoof | it's back | 20:26 |
| * lcuk watches as downloads of qwertys app go up | 20:26 | |
| pvanhoof | so | 20:26 |
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| pvanhoof | I think the app on uninstall should set the switch back to dual | 20:26 |
| pvanhoof | so that the poor mortals don't go crazy | 20:26 |
| lcuk | tbh you are the first :) | 20:27 |
| pvanhoof | lcuk :) | 20:27 |
| pvanhoof | lcuk, but don't you agree that this is going to drive people mad? :) | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | i think you should file a bug about it to qwerty and the good developer he is will try to do something on uninstallation | 20:27 |
| pvanhoof | I guess a little gconftool-2 line in the uninstall script of the package should do | 20:27 |
| pvanhoof | qwerty eh, ok, gne gne | 20:27 |
| javispedro | the app is not necessarily indicated to novice users -- there's not much benefit for them. | 20:27 |
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| javispedro | (IMHO= | 20:28 |
| javispedro | ) | 20:28 |
| pvanhoof | javispedro, yes but any standard n900 shows it in the application-manager under All, second app | 20:28 |
| lcuk | pvanhoof, but your initial fire fire isnt so bad now we know the cause :) | 20:28 |
| pvanhoof | javispedro, so normal people are going to think: cool thing! and then, click click, and then, naa uninstall, and then for as far as they are concerned the phone is bricked | 20:28 |
| javispedro | so qwerty should explain that his app does NOT enable 3g as the N900 does that by default | 20:28 |
| javispedro | and his app is just an easy switcher for either battery-centric or control-freak users | 20:29 |
| pvanhoof | lcuk, sure but still :) I was thinking: damn, now I have to read that software's code to get my gprs back! | 20:29 |
| pvanhoof | ill file the bug | 20:29 |
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| pvanhoof | is that bugs.maemo.org? | 20:29 |
| lcuk | pvanhoof :) such is the life in OSS - i'd much rather have teamwork and helping identify things than a closed system where it all rests on specifics | 20:29 |
| lcuk | pvanhoof, in his app theres a bug mail address | 20:30 |
| pvanhoof | lcuk, sure, on a closed environment I would have to go to the store | 20:30 |
| pvanhoof | and they'd simply flash my device | 20:30 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/view/3g2g-mode-selection-applet/ | 20:30 |
| pvanhoof | He has no bugzilla? | 20:30 |
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| lcuk | so really coming here and spending 5 minutes to help everyone is better | 20:30 |
| lcuk | pvanhoof, not a requirement, hes got an address and responds afaik | 20:31 |
| lopz | Myrtti sorry, was putting my device .. I see that has a small battery, my city is very very wet and I see that the battery has something green .. as about to rust, that pile is welded to the plate .. Could it be? something could have been oxidized? moisture could have entered? what could be done in these cases .. and no, there is no support for this device in my city or country: ( | 20:31 |
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| Myrtti | lopz: I'd be surprised if there's any support ANYWHERE, since it's an old device | 20:31 |
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| MiXu- | Clean it. I don't think there's much else you could do. | 20:32 |
| Myrtti | lopz: official support | 20:32 |
| lcuk | pvanhoof what nice things is fremantle tracker missing that we can backport? | 20:32 |
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| javispedro | mailto link is badly formatted btw | 20:33 |
| javispedro | (probably packages interface bug iirc) | 20:33 |
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| pvanhoof | lcuk, what was the q? Compared to Harmattan's tracker? | 20:34 |
| lcuk | javispedro, im wondering whether if we make a few bugzilla categories for apps that people supply an email address for | 20:34 |
| pvanhoof | lcuk, euh, Harmattan's tracker is "completely" different :) | 20:34 |
| pvanhoof | That's not backportable | 20:34 |
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| pvanhoof | Also, one of our contributors has packages for tracker 0.7 and 0.8 on fremantle already, but installing it wont make the softwares use it too | 20:35 |
| lcuk | pvanhoof, shame, javispedro did a little and supplied a patch recently | 20:35 |
| lcuk | for album art afaik | 20:35 |
| pvanhoof | For example the media player wont talk with the 0.7 tracker | 20:35 |
| javispedro | lcuk, pvanhoof yeah I backported a few oneliner bugfixes to the 0.6 one | 20:35 |
| pvanhoof | It will still talk with the 0.6 tracker | 20:35 |
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| javispedro | (come to think of it konttori did also mention that a 0.7 tracker backport might be interesting..) | 20:36 |
| pvanhoof | Ah, sure, but bugfixes for 0.6 are still happening at nokia internal. So if you file bugs and attach your patches, they'll get slipstreamed into a new official release | 20:36 |
| lcuk | yeah it was mentioned | 20:36 |
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| pvanhoof | javispedro, yeah but such a (serious) backport would require our team's attention. And we're of course in full-harmattan mode now | 20:36 |
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| pvanhoof | So I don't know for sure if that's going to happen for fremantle | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, thats why i mentioned it | 20:36 |
| javispedro | I personally doubt it =) | 20:36 |
| kevloral | hi all | 20:36 |
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| pvanhoof | I made an estimation for this and give it to the architects at nokia :) | 20:37 |
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| pvanhoof | And so now it's in their decision-making queue | 20:37 |
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| * lcuk nods | 20:37 | |
| javispedro | hm.. sb2 crashes :( | 20:37 |
| javispedro | for some reason open("/root/something"..) with uid != root doesn't return EPERM but a coredump inside the box :P | 20:38 |
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| iPeter- | OMG | 20:42 |
| iPeter- | I was flasing my N900 with maemo SDK trough VirtualBox | 20:42 |
| iPeter- | then i got an error | 20:42 |
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| iPeter- | Sending and flashing rootfs image (158336 kB)... 2% (4480 of 158336 kB, 3648 kB/s) | 20:42 |
| iPeter- | Write failed after 4587520 bytes | 20:42 |
| iPeter- | usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable | 20:42 |
| iPeter- | What should i do? | 20:43 |
| javispedro | did it boot? | 20:43 |
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| lcuk | iPeter-, then work drectly on native USB system and try again | 20:43 |
| javispedro | do not unplug the cable | 20:43 |
| javispedro | until you get some more information (as unplugging will cause it to reboot) | 20:43 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: I didnt do anything yet. Im having a panic | 20:43 |
| javispedro | well, I have no experience with that as it never happened to me :( | 20:44 |
| iPeter- | Fuu | 20:44 |
| iPeter- | What should i do? | 20:44 |
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| javispedro | the good news is that probably nothing is bricked (rootfs is not bootloader) | 20:45 |
| javispedro | so I'd do as per lcuk and retry :) | 20:45 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: What happens if i do remove that cable? | 20:45 |
| lopz | Myrtti, Is that there's no official support from Nokia. | 20:45 |
| iPeter- | i tried retry | 20:45 |
| iPeter- | Hmm | 20:45 |
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| * RST38h fucked up his fremantle rootstrap install =((( | 20:45 | |
| iPeter- | Maybe ill just grab my laptop and istall ubuntu to that | 20:45 |
| javispedro | RST38h: my sb2 is crashing every time I try to open a file with O_WR :( | 20:46 |
| RST38h | javispedro: remind me never again to fiddle with this =( | 20:46 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Ah, do not try to run stuff UNDER sb2 | 20:46 |
| RST38h | But I think your particular problem can be fixed | 20:46 |
| RST38h | javispedro: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr (C)hrw | 20:47 |
| javispedro | ah, probably. | 20:47 |
| RST38h | that is, on your host | 20:47 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: that reduces security | 20:47 |
| javispedro | this is an amd64 box | 20:47 |
| javispedro | though | 20:48 |
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| hawai`i | SDK image refuses connectivity for some reason :( | 20:50 |
| javispedro | curiously enough running stuff _outside_ sb2 using the sb2 prefix works. | 20:50 |
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| MohammadAG | hawai`i, /etc/resolv.conf | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | fix it | 20:50 |
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| hawai`i | oh good call. I am on a different network here. | 20:51 |
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| RST38h | `Ñдбб,n | 20:51 |
| hawai`i | Haha, what a stupid oversight on my part. | 20:51 |
| Myrtti | lopz: well, N800 is an old device, as you know... Nokia's had three devices since | 20:51 |
| RST38h | javispedro: amd64 can cause all kind of weirdness | 20:52 |
| RST38h | sb1 or sb2 | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | hawai`i, admit it, you're stupid | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 20:52 |
| trumee | cant find tweakr in the app manager, has it been removed? | 20:53 |
| hawai`i | MohammadAG: I will impregnate your sister | 20:53 |
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| MohammadAG | hawai`i, go f yourself | 20:53 |
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| * javispedro curses the huge disk footprint of the sdk | 20:54 | |
| lopz | Myrtti, http://i.imgur.com/LK8Ev.png | 20:55 |
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| trumee | tweakr not a stable app? | 20:55 |
| trumee | any other app to create profile? | 20:55 |
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| hawai`i | ProfilesX | 20:56 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: or use windows itself to reflash | 20:56 |
| Myrtti | lopz: er, right? | 20:56 |
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| trumee | hawai`i: cant find it either in app manager. is it in testing/devel? | 20:57 |
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| hawai`i | trumee: Depends what repositories you have in HAM. They're probably both in -devel | 20:59 |
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| trumee | hawai`i: dont have -devel in Ham | 21:00 |
| hawai`i | trumee: Well now would be a time to consider adding it. | 21:01 |
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| javispedro | "Oil Leak Could Be Stopped with a Nuke" Deus Ex Nukina! | 21:04 |
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| thresh | javispedro: yeah, Russian Scientists do approve. | 21:07 |
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| lopz | Myrtti, in the screenshot are not the stripes .. is the screen then, right? | 21:10 |
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| adalal | heya | 21:12 |
| adalal | im having trouble with cat | 21:12 |
| adalal | the cat command | 21:12 |
| dotblank | adalal, What about cat? | 21:13 |
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| dotblank | !ask | 21:13 |
| Myrtti | lopz: how would I know? | 21:14 |
| Myrtti | lopz: if there's an error in the hardware, then it obviously wouldn't show up in the screenshot | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | lopz: some n800 screens just die - mine did | 21:14 |
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| lopz | ohh right? | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | btw. i dropped my n900 today | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | well, it fell from a container | 21:15 |
| SWFu | Awesome Kismet is fully working now! :) | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | and it's still working | 21:15 |
| lopz | Stskeeps, my screen is pixelated .. began with a line, now is the screen lines | 21:15 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: ok, working. | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | lopz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm5TYGwTwU | 21:16 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, can anybody lend me a hand in assigning my n900 a static ip (with the n900, not the router) | 21:16 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: libosso1 (>= 2.23), which is PR1.0 | 21:17 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: either way I'm looking at the logs and you mention it gives you libosso >= 2.26, which is PR1.1.1, not PR1.2 | 21:17 |
| lopz | Stskeeps, :( | 21:17 |
| javispedro | RST38h: so something is clearly working. | 21:17 |
| lopz | then my screen dying? | 21:18 |
| javispedro | (unless you still have the 1.1.1 sdk?) | 21:18 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Correct. Except that 2.26 is also not kosher enough. X-Fade wants 2.23 | 21:20 |
| RST38h | javispedro: or he won't promote | 21:20 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I am pretty sure you have got 2.26 installed inside the sdk, so that is why you are getting 2.26 =) | 21:20 |
| javispedro | libosso-dev 2.31-1+0m5 | 21:20 |
| javispedro | I just installed it, to my hdd's dismay, so I cannot have any earlier version | 21:21 |
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| RST38h | weird shit | 21:21 |
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| RST38h | I am still downloading fremantle bootstrap | 21:21 |
| javispedro | did you have 2.26 installed, or 2.31? | 21:21 |
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| javispedro | cause if you had 2.26 and it emitted a 2.26 dependency it was not working at all. | 21:22 |
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| adalal | dotblank: im trying to cat a /sys/ file in queenbeecon, but it says permission denied because it doesn't execute the command as root.. | 21:24 |
| dotblank | adalal, yea | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sudo is your friend | 21:25 |
| dotblank | thats how it should work if your not root then tha will happen | 21:25 |
| _llll_ | would be very worrying if cat did automatically change to root! | 21:25 |
| adalal | dotblank: is there a way to run that command as root? | 21:25 |
| dotblank | sudo cat | 21:26 |
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| dotblank | but! | 21:26 |
| adalal | but won't that ask for a password? | 21:26 |
| dotblank | you are right | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | depends on sudoers | 21:26 |
| adalal | how would i change that? | 21:26 |
| dotblank | DocScrutinizer51 is wise | 21:26 |
| lopz | Myrtti, Stskeeps http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=26891 my screen is dying :( | 21:26 |
| luke-jr | visudo | 21:27 |
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| adalal | lol | 21:27 |
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| Stskeeps | lopz: there's an error on a bunch of n800s sadly and there's not a lot we can do about it | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | man sudoers | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | i use my n800 with scrolling screen as a boxee remote now | 21:27 |
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| iPeter- | Damn, my n900 :( | 21:28 |
| adalal | DocScrutinizer51, how would i get that sorted? sudoing | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: what issue do you have? | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | man sudoers | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | adalal: | 21:28 |
| _llll_ | dont use visudo on the n8900 though! | 21:28 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: I did try flash my n900 from virtualbox maemo sdk and it didnt go so well. | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: ok, symptoms? | 21:28 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: as I was telling you, you can also reflash from windows... | 21:29 |
| adalal | k | 21:29 |
| iPeter- | umm trying now to get it updatemode again, and flash it with live cd ubuntu | 21:29 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: No, it wont work on windows 7 64bit, javispedro | 21:29 |
| javispedro | not even Nokia NSU? | 21:29 |
| javispedro | er... the official Nokia Software Upgrader | 21:30 |
| iPeter- | omg | 21:30 |
| iPeter- | Didnt know of that -.- | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: what symptoms are you having atm? :P | 21:30 |
| lopz | Stskeeps, ok, how sad .. and I can change the screen? how much would it cost me one .. | 21:30 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I think I had 2.26 | 21:30 |
| iPeter- | but, how do i put this in update mode to do the job with ubuntu | 21:30 |
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| hawai`i | You don't need to. | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | lopz: i tried to repair the cable/screen and no luck. i think a new n800 might be cheaper | 21:30 |
| javispedro | RST38h: ah well. what does sb2 dpkg -l maemo-sdk-symbols print? | 21:30 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: when i take usb cable off, it shuts off. Then i did plug cable back and it goes on and off. now there is a orange light | 21:31 |
| hawai`i | iPeter-: Turn it off, setup your flasher arguments and it will wait for the device to be connected. | 21:31 |
| adalal | DocScrutinizer51: do you how to add it? i could try reading it, but it's gonna take me ages, i just learnt sed ... lol | 21:31 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:31 |
| hawai`i | HI | 21:31 |
| lopz | Stskeeps, hehe ok, or n900 :) | 21:31 |
| iPeter- | hawai`i: It is off, like not in os, it gives nokia logo all of the time | 21:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro: No packages found matching maemo-sdk-symbols. | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | adalal: not off top of my head | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry | 21:32 |
| lopz | I'm hoping to leave some with meego | 21:32 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Just installed rootstrap from scratch, compiled speccy | 21:32 |
| javispedro | RST38h: that's what I though =) you have to install it inside the box | 21:32 |
| hawai`i | iPeter-: is flasher waiting for the device to be attached? | 21:32 |
| RST38h | javispedro: deps say libosso1>=2.23 | 21:32 |
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| alterego | Anyone know what that update to opera did? | 21:32 |
| RST38h | jaispedro: notice, NO SYMBOLS | 21:32 |
| hawai`i | alterego: tearing and config saving, AFAIK. | 21:32 |
| iPeter- | hawai`i: Now it is | 21:32 |
| alterego | hawai`i: nice, cheers :) | 21:32 |
| RST38h | javispedro: ii libosso1 2.31-1+0m5 | 21:33 |
| iPeter- | "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." Running ubuntu 10.04 LTS live | 21:33 |
| * javispedro doesn't understand sb2 | 21:33 | |
| lopz | Stskeeps, eres spañol ? | 21:33 |
| hawai`i | iPeter-: now plug the damn N900 in | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | lopz: no | 21:33 |
| iPeter- | hawai`i: It is plugged | 21:33 |
| javispedro | just a moments ago it was running autoreconf, but autoconf was NOT installed!! | 21:33 |
| RST38h | libosso1-dev is not installed | 21:33 |
| iPeter- | hawai`i: It just keeps vibrating | 21:33 |
| RST38h | javispedro: maybe it is falling back to host tools? | 21:33 |
| hawai`i | iPeter-: Remove it, remove battery. Place battery. Setup flasher arguments WITHOUT PLUGGING IT IN | 21:33 |
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| hawai`i | iPeter-: hold U, plug cable it. Flash. | 21:34 |
| iPeter- | ok | 21:34 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I was told it used host tools. | 21:34 |
| lopz | Stskeeps, I reading you history in itt forum xD | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | adalal: add a line like 'ser ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/cat /sys/whatever-file' | 21:34 |
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| adalal | ok thanks | 21:34 |
| javispedro | did rootsh stop existing? | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | adalal: just copy and edit one of the lines in there | 21:35 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I have got two toolsets installed (etch and lenny) and dpkg crashes for me when I am not using hrw's trick | 21:35 |
| adalal | will do.. but after that, does it require a restart? | 21:35 |
| RST38h | javispedro: it crashes in QEMU. So no host tools | 21:35 |
| adalal | DocScrutinizer51: | 21:35 |
| iPeter- | hawai`i: didnt work, doesnt go in update mode | 21:35 |
| _llll_ | isnt that exactly what they tell you not to do, or you will mess up the default sudoers stuff | 21:35 |
| _llll_ | because it regenerates it on reboot | 21:35 |
| javispedro | RST38h: ahhhh because I forgot about the -eR part | 21:35 |
| javispedro | RST38h: sb2 -eR dpkg -l maemo-sdk-symbols | 21:36 |
| RST38h | hm | 21:36 |
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| hawai`i | iPeter-: Then you have 1 of 3 problems | 21:36 |
| RST38h | No packages found matching maemo-sdk-symbols. | 21:36 |
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| iPeter- | hawai`i: What i have to do now | 21:36 |
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| hawai`i | iPeter-: Either your USB port is botched, NOLO is botched or you are not doing something right. | 21:37 |
| javispedro | mixing -eR and not -eR commands in sb2 is BAD. first lesson learned.. | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | grab a 32-bit ubuntu live cd and do it from there | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:37 |
| adalal | DocScrutinizer51: do you need a restart after editing the sudoers file? | 21:37 |
| hawai`i | adalal: No | 21:37 |
| _llll_ | adalal: dont follow the advice, read http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access#A_note_on_sudo | 21:37 |
| iPeter- | hawai`i: what that botched means? | 21:38 |
| TomaszD | why is the brodit n900 holder is so freaking expensive... | 21:38 |
| hawai`i | If you can't setup sudoers, you need to stop now. | 21:38 |
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| hawai`i | TomaszD: Car holder? ProClip is $50! | 21:38 |
| noobmonk3y | botched = broken, and fixed back together with sticky tape lol | 21:38 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: run flasher as root, btw | 21:38 |
| noobmonk3y | ie it wasnt working, but randomly fixed to get it working ;) | 21:38 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: sudo | 21:38 |
| TomaszD | hawai`i, you don't need the original proclip, I'm talking about the holder itself | 21:39 |
| javispedro | RST38h: well, if it worked, dunno why. | 21:39 |
| javispedro | RST38h: i do have maemo-sdk-symbols installed when queried with sb2 -eR | 21:39 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: Do you have time to help me out? | 21:40 |
| adalal | _llll_: thanks | 21:40 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: what's wrong with the rest of the channel? =) | 21:40 |
| hawai`i | TomaszD: never seen the Brodit. | 21:40 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: You reply and try to help | 21:40 |
| hawai`i | iPeter-: We've all been replying and helping you. | 21:41 |
| iPeter- | Yeah. | 21:41 |
| iPeter- | Damn | 21:41 |
| iPeter- | Getting mad with this | 21:41 |
| iPeter- | I dont have done anything wrong and this doesnt go usb mode | 21:41 |
| hawai`i | How unfortunate. | 21:41 |
| ds3 | anyone know why the geotagging option in the N900 camera app warns about needing data access? | 21:41 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I will try installing the symbols now | 21:41 |
| TomaszD | hawai`i, any idea for a bike holder? | 21:41 |
| RST38h | javispedro: really scared to screw things up though | 21:42 |
| hawai`i | TomaszD: No idear. Gorilla grip and a cheap $10 adjustable perhaps. | 21:42 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: I usually run flasher with the appropriate arguments as root, leave it running ("waiting for device"), then PLUG the previously unplugged and off N900, without holding any keys. | 21:42 |
| adalal | _llll_: do you know how to reload the sudoers file? | 21:42 |
| javispedro | usually works without problem on a sane distro, but who knows where ubuntu is mounting usbfs these days =) | 21:43 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: Why this device is rebooting | 21:43 |
| evilrob | adalal: sudoers gets read everytime sudo is called. no need to reload it after editing | 21:44 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: it is rebooting because it has been misflashed, remove battery if you can't stop it. | 21:44 |
| iPeter- | its giving a nokia logo whitout light for 30sec, then it shuts off, then again but maybe with orange light and vibrates like on startup | 21:44 |
| adalal | oh ok thanks | 21:44 |
| evilrob | you should edit sudoers with visudo only because it can be a syntactic nightmare of a file, and visudo runs a syntax check on it before it comits your changes. | 21:45 |
| javispedro | in fact, you shouldn't edit sudoers at all in maemo. | 21:45 |
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| javispedro | use root / rootsh. | 21:45 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: So tell me step by step what to do now | 21:45 |
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| iPeter- | if you can, not meant to be rude | 21:46 |
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| javispedro | iPeter-: run flasher and let it wait in the "waiting for device" stage | 21:46 |
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| javispedro | iPeter-: plug N900 and wait for a reboot cycle | 21:46 |
| javispedro | or two. | 21:46 |
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| MiXu- | Upgrading armel scratchbox to pr1.2 fails :( | 21:48 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: then? | 21:48 |
| dhq | is pr1.2 leaked version safe | 21:48 |
| hawai`i | dhq: shut up | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | dhq: no | 21:48 |
| MiXu- | Well it's not ready so I wouldn't be surprised if it was worse than PR1.1 | 21:48 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: is flasher still at the "waiting for device" stage? | 21:48 |
| iPeter- | yes | 21:49 |
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| Treibholz | WOW! http://labs.opera.com/news/2010/05/11/ | 21:49 |
| Treibholz | has anyone tried, yet? | 21:49 |
| dhq | lol so much frustration | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | old news | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:49 |
| RST38h | yes | 21:49 |
| RST38h | it works | 21:49 |
| RST38h | quite fast | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: root won't help with problems you fix with sudo | 21:49 |
| evilrob | Treibholz: just installed it. nice so far | 21:49 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: there's rootsh for that | 21:49 |
| javispedro | rootsh the command | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: see adalal 's initial question | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | uhuh | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | never seen never used | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and actually I don't see the rationale behind having a replacement for sudo | 21:52 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: and if you hold "u" down for a reboot cycle? | 21:52 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: maemo is different! | 21:52 |
| hawai`i | javispedro: How so? | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on mere purpose | 21:53 |
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| hawai`i | javispedro: it makes no sense not to run a dedicated shell with suid privileges | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and I highly dislike that mindset | 21:53 |
| hawai`i | er, makes no sense to do that ^ | 21:53 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's not on purpose but due to bad practises -- the issue here is the misuse of sudo by the system | 21:54 |
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| javispedro | which was designed to be a _interactive_ utility. | 21:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | like 'first let's fsckup su, then invent root, then bork sudo and invent rootsh' | 21:54 |
| javispedro | mostly. | 21:54 |
| Tuukka | hey, how do i open images with xterm? | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: of course. seems Nokia never heard of unix administration. nor of SUID | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 'maemo fsck urself, use your own proprietary shit and leave sudo to the user and way of using it that it's supposed to' | 21:57 |
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| MohammadAG | replace sudo, problem solved | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I mean Nokia exclusively occupying complte linux - then invents proprietary shit for the user to work wit | 21:59 |
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| javispedro | that general sentiment is something that should be fixed in MeeGo. | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's outright idiotic | 21:59 |
| hawai`i | Haha no it won't | 21:59 |
| hawai`i | MeeGo will tie hands back, even more than Maemo. | 22:00 |
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| hawai`i | Especially coming from Intel. | 22:00 |
| javispedro | oh, it mostly has because Moblin was way saner. | 22:00 |
| javispedro | *has fixed it. | 22:03 |
| hawai`i | I am personally, not looking forward to some of the things that MeeGo will implement. | 22:04 |
| arachnist | a/25 | 22:04 |
| arachnist | whoops | 22:04 |
| hawai`i | arachnist: HOW DARE YOU | 22:04 |
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| MohammadAG | who wants a man-db package? :D | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | (cc DocScrutinizer51) | 22:05 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: I tried all those what you said | 22:05 |
| iPeter- | still keeps bootin and bootin | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | what's the problem? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | uh? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: ?? | 22:06 |
| hawai`i | I'll burn you if you make a man-db package | 22:06 |
| hawai`i | MohammadAG: he's a bit daft. | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: MEEEEE MemememememeMEEEEEE | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | 1001kbs | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | optifying it | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 22:08 |
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| javispedro | if it installs anything into /usr/share/man say goodbye to it | 22:08 |
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| xorAxAx | just chattr +i it :-) | 22:08 |
| javispedro | also /opt/maemo/usr/share/man | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | why lol | 22:08 |
| javispedro | docpurge | 22:08 |
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| crashanddie | anyone have experience working for Canonical? | 22:09 |
| javispedro | maemo's final boss. | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | I'd rather not have that experience | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | why? you haven't moved your /usr/share to eMMC yet???? | 22:09 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: does that disable docpurge? | 22:09 |
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| javispedro | or did you kill it? | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | don't you just hate it when your PC has only 4 cores... | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, that shouldn't affect compilation, nvm | 22:10 |
| hawai`i | MohammadAG: oh how uncivilized. | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: lol because 1M is nothing | 22:10 |
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| iPeter- | Someone help me with this bricked n900 :( | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | did you grab a 32-bit ubuntu livecd? | 22:11 |
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| iPeter- | Stskeeps: Yes | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | iPeter-: boot linux - flash N900 - cheeeer | 22:11 |
| hawai`i | Are you using a USB hub, per chance, iPeter-? | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: any chance of charging the device battery on another device? | 22:11 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: Nope | 22:12 |
| iPeter- | DocScrutinizer51: Cant get device to flash mode | 22:12 |
| iPeter- | hawai`i: No im not | 22:12 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: doesn't battery charge while on a reboot loop? | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: ok, follow these steps | 22:12 |
| javispedro | (precisely due to bq27xxx) | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: take out battery, plug in usb cable into computer, into device | 22:12 |
| iPeter- | done | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | start flasher (flasher-3.5 -F fiasco-image -f -R) - do this as root | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | put in battery | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: alas bootloop will mess with bq24150 | 22:13 |
| * lcuk puts in battery when flasher says device not found | 22:14 | |
| evilrob | DocScrutinizer51: "I don't see how anyone could EVER need more than 640KB of RAM" | 22:14 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: I do not press U? | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: i never do | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | huh? | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, with 1MB you could do anything | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes, wait for 'device not found' :P | 22:15 |
| Treibholz | hmm, opera mobile could be cool, but without adblock.... | 22:15 |
| evilrob | it's an old Bill Gates quote | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on a 32GIGAbyte system I couldn't bother less about 1MB | 22:15 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: so i did this 1. took battery off, removed cable, inserted cable, started flasher and inserted battery. Now n900 doesnt do nothing at all | 22:16 |
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| iPeter- | and flasher says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." | 22:16 |
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| Stskeeps | iPeter-: put it on wall charger for a while | 22:16 |
| iPeter- | ok | 22:16 |
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| evilrob | any systems geek worth his salt knows that quote. you must be a developer. :) | 22:17 |
| hawai`i | evilrob: Hahah | 22:17 |
| javispedro | also knows that bill gates said he hasn't ever say himself that quote | 22:18 |
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| javispedro | and he attributes it to some ibm guy | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | evilrob: huh? relevance??? | 22:18 |
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| * frals batteries lcuk when device says found flasher | 22:18 | |
| evilrob | now you're claiming IRC chat has to be relavent? | 22:18 |
| Gizmokid2005 | Stskeeps: ping | 22:18 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I need some help :( | 22:19 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: I did put it to wall charger, now it shows nokia logo for 30sec, then blank screen, then it gives a orange light, it shuts off and again nokia logo for 30sec, it keeps repeating this loop | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | gah, damn dependencies | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: ok, let it repeat it | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, sec building dependencies | 22:19 |
| hawai`i | IRC = IRrelevant Chat | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | Gizmokid2005: ? | 22:19 |
| Gizmokid2005 | ThemeMaker 1.2.9 is being a pita and I can't get it to create a deb package...it generates the theme, but for the life of me I can't get a deb out of it. | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | btw this 640k always been attributed to IBM | 22:20 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I should add I'm on Ubuntu | 22:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | Gizmokid2005: sorry, use andrewfblack's guide for theme making instead | 22:21 |
| evilrob | DocScrutinizer51: nice googling. True, it's a processor limit. not an OS limit. | 22:21 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: nonsense, it's Bill Gates | 22:21 |
| Gizmokid2005 | Stskeeps: do you have a link? The only one I found is for windows... | 22:21 |
| javispedro | nice googling? /me waves | 22:21 |
| evilrob | the quote is widely attributed to him, but I've not seen proof he actually said it. | 22:21 |
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| iPeter- | Stskeeps: How long i keep it on charger | 22:22 |
| * evilrob waves back | 22:22 | |
| hawai`i | iPeter-: at least 24 hours. | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | Gizmokid2005: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44187 | 22:22 |
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| Stskeeps | iPeter-: for a while, you need to get the battery back to flashable state | 22:23 |
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| iPeter- | Stskeeps: That battery was nearly full when that flashing failed | 22:23 |
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| Stskeeps | iPeter-: there's a chance that charge is gone by now :P | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: also, where in flashing did it fail? | 22:23 |
| javispedro | rootfs | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah, child's play | 22:24 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: Dunno, ask javispedro, i gave to him that error. | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | it's first dangerous if nolo flashing or cmt flashing does ; | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | ) | 22:24 |
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| iPeter- | Stskeeps: Whats now? Do i get my device to work or what? | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: give it a couple of hours on the charger | 22:25 |
| iPeter- | k | 22:25 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | Stskeeps: thanks..I'll have to installe MADDE and try it I suppose | 22:26 |
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| iPeter- | Why i bricked something what worked pretty well :<<< | 22:26 |
| tybollt | iPeter-: why did you brick it then? | 22:27 |
| tybollt | what were you trying to do? | 22:27 |
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| iPeter- | tybollt: Flash it and hope better performance :D | 22:28 |
| tybollt | Also walking into a repairshop blaming it on the "normal upgrade routine going avry" may work (has done so for me :) | 22:28 |
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| mikki-kun | how can someone tell hs n900 to use a static p? | 22:29 |
| mikki-kun | i know i can set it and i pretty sure set it up correctly but somehow it doesn't work ;/ | 22:30 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: for which interface? | 22:30 |
| mikki-kun | wlan0 | 22:30 |
| muelli | mikki-kun: maybesudo ifconfig wlan0 $ip? | 22:30 |
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| Treibholz | mikki-kun: in /etc/network/interfaces | 22:30 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: but don't you use DHCP? | 22:31 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, would love that to have a pregiven static ip in my network but use dhcp while not in my network | 22:31 |
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| Treibholz | mikki-kun: why don't you configure your local DHCP to give you the same IP every time? | 22:32 |
| mikki-kun | Treibholz: you know, without a DNS-server running here in my network it's easier to remember the ip of my device than to look it up when i wanna ssh to it | 22:32 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: Tried to boot it, got only nokia logo : | 22:32 |
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| mikki-kun | Treibholz: i would do that, but my belkin just sucks.. it doesn't even use my ports which i tell it to goddamn open | 22:32 |
| Treibholz | .oO( How can someone live without a local DNS...? ) | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: if you see a nokia logo, you're in luck :P | 22:33 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: which belkin? | 22:33 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: Then i took battery away :D | 22:33 |
| mikki-kun | Treibholz: i can up until now... i haven't had the hardware and the needs for it up to this month | 22:33 |
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| iPeter- | now its on | 22:33 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: | 22:33 |
| mikki-kun | Treibholz: uhm... some old one.. can't even tell from the interface of it which one it is -.- | 22:34 |
| iPeter- | white led and nokia logo with backlight | 22:34 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: http://oldwiki.openwrt.org/Hardware(2f)Belkin.html any luck here? | 22:34 |
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| dotblank | awesome... got qjson base to work | 22:34 |
| mikki-kun | Treibholz: i looked it up, WiP :( | 22:34 |
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| Treibholz | mikki-kun: rember to look at this page BEFORE you buy hardware! :-) | 22:35 |
| hawai`i | mikki-kun: static address reservation works on every router I've *ever* seen | 22:36 |
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| mikki-kun | Treibholz: you know, i've had this pos for 3 years now... but i got into linux just around 1.5 years ago... | 22:36 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: Im pretty sure there is battery enough | 22:36 |
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| RST38bis | javis: now getting dep problems with libhildon and libhildonmme | 22:37 |
| frals | ~nuke talk.maemo.org | 22:37 |
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| iPeter- | Stskeeps: What to do now? | 22:37 |
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| mikki-kun | ok, now that is just great -.- | 22:38 |
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| adnyxo | elo | 22:38 |
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| mikki-kun | my device is registered, i can SSH to it, but it screwes up with the DNS | 22:38 |
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| Stskeeps | iPeter-: did you leave it charging? :P | 22:40 |
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| iPeter- | Stskeeps: Its now charging but i want to flash it now. | 22:42 |
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| iPeter- | Night is coming and im fucked up | 22:42 |
| RST38bis | how unusual | 22:43 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: So, tips? :) | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | iPeter-: charge it overnight, best advice i can give | 22:44 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: But what after that? | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | try to flash | 22:44 |
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| iPeter- | Stskeeps: But i cant get it to flash mode | 22:45 |
| * lcuk inserts n900 into frals when flasher says no trout | 22:46 | |
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| frals | no trout?! blasphemy! | 22:46 |
| hawai`i | iPeter-: Why do you insist on being difficult? | 22:46 |
| lcuk | oh, hi btw | 22:46 |
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| frals | evening ;) | 22:46 |
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| hawai`i | We've told you numerous times, leave it charging and report back tomorrow. | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: flashing mode is basically nolo making contact with flasher. this may be blocked by the usb stack at times, hence 'u' | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | which switches to another USB ID initially | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | you may need to rmmod phonet or the likes from your linux install | 22:47 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: Nolo? | 22:47 |
| hawai`i | iPeter-: the bootloader. | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if there's any way to distinguish flasher missing the window for flashing, and device refusing to accept flashing due to battery not being full | 22:48 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: Can you give steps what to do now? :< | 22:48 |
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| Stskeeps | iPeter-: i vote going for a walk | 22:48 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: I have keep walking around this home and smashing stuff.. so after that? :D | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: cleaning up, obviously | 22:49 |
| iPeter- | Done | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | this isn't a support channel, i'm helping you because i'm nice - so just listen to me and do as i say :P | 22:49 |
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| iPeter- | Stskeeps: I know but this channel is my only hope. I hate forums, it takes time to ppl answer etc. | 22:50 |
| lcuk | we know Stskeeps said that mockingly, but you know he was gremacing and baring his teeth whilst he typed ;) | 22:50 |
| lcuk | iPeter-, it takes time for people to answer here | 22:50 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: And its good to have a nice guy on this channell. Im just nervous for that did i brick my device complelty | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: i have done obscene things to my n900 and n8x0 and i have never successfully bricked it. | 22:51 |
| chadi | scartchbox installation stops on 4/10 | 22:51 |
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| omar | chadi, the date? | 22:52 |
| chadi | omar: nope, the step | 22:52 |
| chadi | while trying to install scratchbox with the SDK | 22:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 suggests using different usb port on host. different usb cable. different host pc | 22:53 | |
| chadi | tried removing scratchbox-*, then installing it again, also stuck on the same place | 22:53 |
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| crashanddie | iPeter-: reality check, it takes people time to answer here as well, so respect their answers | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | different moon phase | 22:53 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, lol yeah ive had that | 22:53 |
| lcuk | i just reboot laptop and meh | 22:53 |
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| iPeter- | crashanddie: Yeah, but forums are slower :p | 22:54 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: Yeah, but im master of bricking stuff :D | 22:54 |
| omar | chadi i think i was having errors installing it too but managed to get through can you show me the error it gives you? | 22:55 |
| Shapeshifter | ohnice, opera | 22:55 |
| * Shapeshifter tries | 22:55 | |
| chadi | omar the problem is that I do not remember, and I do not have enough download quota to start it again :/ | 22:56 |
| omar | chadi oh, that doesn't really help me help you then :P | 22:57 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: it's pretty sleek. When it has Flash I think I'll use it as my primary browser. | 22:57 |
| chadi | it stops after it';s done running apt-get update for ARMEL and i386 and installing the packages | 22:57 |
| chadi | while it's installing the packages, a problem occurs | 22:58 |
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| alterego | chadi: did you do 'fakeroot apt-get update' ? | 22:58 |
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| alterego | Sorry, 'fakeroot apt-get upgrade' /// | 22:59 |
| Trewas | opera seems otherwise nice, but sadly it uses so small fonts by default that zooming is needed to read anything, and that gets annoying fast | 22:59 |
| alterego | ... | 22:59 |
| chadi | alterego the installation did that | 22:59 |
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| alterego | Trewas: admittedly microb's zooming is by far better. | 22:59 |
| chadi | alterego I used a python script, that launches a KDE GUI window that does everything | 23:00 |
| Shapeshifter | alterego: I hope it's optified? | 23:00 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: yes, it is :) | 23:00 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: realy good quality application for an "Alpha" | 23:00 |
| Shapeshifter | alterego: I guess except the power management bit | 23:00 |
| alterego | Well, I've not really tested it as faras power management is concerned. Not usually a problem with me I don't tend to leave windows open. | 23:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | man... why does IO always lock the n900? | 23:02 |
| omar | chadi, so you're using the GUI installer? can you try doing it manually instead? it's not that difficult ;) | 23:02 |
| lcuk | omar, yeah like its easy putting bamboo under your own fingernails | 23:03 |
| Shapeshifter | can't do anything that even just touches the memory without hickups or complete locks depending on what I do. | 23:03 |
| Shapeshifter | sad. | 23:03 |
| omar | lcuk wat! | 23:03 |
| chadi | omar will do that. any guide? | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | OMFG OMFG | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | IT WORKS! | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, IT WORKS!!!! | 23:03 |
| omar | chadi, yeah getting it for u | 23:03 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: sounds good | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | partially, but it works! | 23:03 |
| omar | salam ya MohammadAG, what works? | 23:03 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: I guess some sort of usb host thing | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ?? | 23:04 |
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| hawai`i | MohammadAG: ?! | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | man mandb showed the manual | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | I overreacted, I know | 23:04 |
| hawai`i | Oh god | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | XD | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh :-) | 23:04 |
| * hawai`i slaps MohammadAG | 23:04 | |
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| chadi | MohammadAG: congrats!!! | 23:04 |
| * chadi claps | 23:04 | |
| * MohammadAG slaps, hawai`i | 23:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | and I thought we finally managed to teach 1+1=2 to SoC :-P | 23:04 |
| omar | chadi: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution | 23:04 |
| omar | wow that's a long url | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, 1+1=2? | 23:05 |
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| MohammadAG | I thought it = 11 | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's the BIG BUG in OMAP silicon - it is as wrong as you are | 23:05 |
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| chadi | omar thank you :) | 23:05 |
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| mece | heheyy this was cool: mkcd () { mkdir -p "$*"; cd "$*" } | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, lol | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and device still boots? or have you messed up messybox initscripts? | 23:06 |
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| MohammadAG | (seriously?) | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, haven't touched it | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | messybox? not touched? a pity | 23:07 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | something baffles me though | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | not all manuals work | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's strange indeed | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | man mandb works, man apt doesn't | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# man apt-get | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | No manual entry for apt-get | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably you got no manfile for apt? | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | "It uses a Berkeley DB database in place of the traditional flat-text whatis databases" | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeek | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/share/man/man6/wtf.6.gz | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | or plain WTF? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | berkley DB - eeeeeew | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | docpurge? | 23:10 |
| Shapeshifter | alterego: well it "works" sorta but it hangs a lot and is unresponsive at times | 23:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's with docpurge??? | 23:10 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: I got new battery | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | docpurge is a brainfuck, for all that bothers me | 23:11 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: So what to do now | 23:11 |
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| Stskeeps | iPeter-: try to flash, obviously | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | what's docpurge? | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | Shapeshifter, because IO to the emmc is fucking slow :D | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | purges manpages out of pkgs | 23:11 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" | 23:11 |
| hawai`i | o m f g | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | lol what good is that | 23:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: but why does that lock all non-IO related stuff? or, if there might still be IO related stuff, why's there no 20% reserve for "popular" processes like task manager etc. | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | iPeter-, pop out the battery, connect the cable, then pop it back in | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: does the computer notice it in dmesg | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | while the command is running | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | /waiting | 23:12 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: how do i see it, what command? :S | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | dmesg ... | 23:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | alterego: turbo mode seems to slow it down significantly | 23:13 |
| Shapeshifter | alterego: though once a page is fully loaded I like it better then microb | 23:13 |
| Shapeshifter | snappier and nicer layout | 23:13 |
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| iPeter- | Stskeeps: Yea it gives something to here | 23:14 |
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| Shapeshifter | alterego: but the zooming isn't intelligent | 23:14 |
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| Shapeshifter | which actually surprises me. I'd expect that from opera | 23:14 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: exactly, I much prefer microb's zooming. | 23:14 |
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| Shapeshifter | alterego: well microb zooming is smart, while this is not. but microb always flickers white and is stuttery and slow when zooming | 23:15 |
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| ShadowJK | Shapeshifter, swap, opt, home and MyDocs all on the same device.. database write to home blocks swap and opt (where your app is).. | 23:15 |
| hawai`i | Zooming has been brought to their attention. | 23:15 |
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| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: but task manager etc are also slow. basically, everything is slow, once emmc is accessed | 23:15 |
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| iPeter- | Stskeeps: "Usb 1-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and adress 69" "configuration #1 chonesn from 1 choise" "Usb disconnect, adress 69" | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | It's hard to prioritize the task manager | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | the dependency chain is monstrous | 23:17 |
| Shapeshifter | portrait mode doesn't seem to work (though I couldn't care less) | 23:17 |
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| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, it does work | 23:17 |
| lcuk | iPeter-, reboot your laptop | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | if only we can get rid of the maemo bar on top | 23:18 |
| ShadowJK | isolated, small and predictable things can be locked in memory | 23:18 |
| ShadowJK | though that reduces available memory for other stuff | 23:18 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: mh. well I've set it to portrait in the settings and it doesn't work. auto neither. | 23:18 |
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| MohammadAG | works for me on auto | 23:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sometimes I wonder if I wouldn't simply prefer a nice text list of windows. | 23:20 |
| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: is it just the memory or also the bus? does a "fast" microsd card make things better or even worse? | 23:20 |
| SpeedEvil | The SD and the onenand or the emmc do not greatly seem to contend with each other | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | http://i44.tinypic.com/9abyme.jpg man-db :) | 23:20 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: yay | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | Shapeshifter, "fast" is relative. If you double the speed of something that's super-super-slow, it's still super-slow :) | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | That is - you get - with a fast SD - ~30 meg of read from onenand and SD or MMC or SD and MMC and SD at once | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | now I need to find a way to change the location of the man pages *without* symlinking | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | What would really help is 20 man-years of kernel coders. | 23:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Try to read all three - and it starts to fall over. | 23:21 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: mhm | 23:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | a pity | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 23:22 |
| Shapeshifter | I'd easily pay 50 bucks more for faster access | 23:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | 30 meg/second is quite reasonable IMO. | 23:22 |
| Shapeshifter | I mean, I guess it's technically possible? | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I was looking at it from the perspective of booting from suspend to 'disk' | 23:22 |
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| ShadowJK | Unfortunately they don't make onenand that big or as cheap as emmc :( | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Onenand is no faster. | 23:23 |
| ShadowJK | Not raw speed, no | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | At least for bulk read. | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I have done no tests on random write | 23:23 |
| ShadowJK | But lack of bulk speed isn't what Shapeshifter is hitting :) | 23:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | I wish that there was an SD mode 'get out of my way - just be a dumb NAND controller | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 23:24 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. well I have special demands anyway. I could live with say, 8gb | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | xd is like that | 23:24 |
| Shapeshifter | but faster | 23:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: What is it? | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: I missed - what are you moaning about? | 23:24 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: full locks when IO is doing something | 23:25 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: i.e. not even task switching or anything really, if e.g. apt-worker is doing something | 23:25 |
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| * GAN900 loves how connection migration pegs the CPU | 23:25 | |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: Ah. | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | GAN900, does it peg CPU or IO? | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: I suspect some fraction of that is swap ickyness | 23:26 |
| * ShadowJK has many times noticed a few megabytes of swapin activity :) | 23:26 | |
| Shapeshifter | alterego: scrolling in opera is so smooth when the page is fully loaded and not much happening in background | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: The swap engine not knowing how to swap properly. | 23:26 |
| GAN900 | ShadowJK, dunno. | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | (as in - you always - always - write linear blocks, unless you can't avoid it) | 23:26 |
| ShadowJK | same thing for the filesystems | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 23:27 |
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| ShadowJK | like, when I watch youtube in browser, the flash plugin manages to bring the I/O load on the emmc to about 50-75% with just ~75 kbyte/s of traffic | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | and youtube stutters | 23:27 |
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| ShadowJK | Some large kernel efforts... OR, some more RAM to gloss over and try hide the real issue with locking "system"/preinstalled stuff in ram.. | 23:30 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. maybe the whole I/O should use a smart scheduler that only accesses the emmc when idling. e.g. if I close microb, there's some stuttery because of I/O. Maybe it should just remember my instruciton to close it, appear as if it had closed it while all the I/O related stuff microb actually wants to do is queued | 23:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | In general - the stuff isn't too bad in terms of RAM footprint. | 23:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | The one major sticky-out annoyance I saw was 'worldcock' - which is massive for what it does | 23:31 |
| Shapeshifter | and always give the GUI highest priority. I know in the end stuf might even execute slower but the feeling is incredibly important imo. | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | Sometimes the stutter is caused by the code to handle the close button event being located on emmc and needing to be loaded in :-) | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure why it stays locked in RAM all the time - is it doing the toolbar clock? | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | I think it's almost impossible to properly prioritize "GUI" without building in a ticking timebomb in the process.. | 23:32 |
| Shapeshifter | ticking timebomb? | 23:32 |
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| Shapeshifter | oh and at the same time - which is really annyoing - the device seems to queue touchscreen and keyboard events and execute them in order. as in, you hit something twice thinking you might not have hit it hard enough because it's still doing nothing (because of IO) and then you land somewhere else | 23:33 |
| iPeter- | i did boot up my laptop, whats now lcuk | 23:33 |
| Shapeshifter | I've run some random app in "more" at least 10 times already because of this. tapping on "more" once with nothing happening, and then tapping again | 23:33 |
| ShadowJK | You'd have to prioritize the stuff that draws everything. But if you do that, some non-prioritized task can tell it bad things, and the GUI drawing thingy then has license to kill by hogging up everything | 23:33 |
| iPeter- | lcuk: Still doesnt get to flash mode | 23:34 |
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| ShadowJK | So you'd need 50 man-years of re-engineering there :) | 23:34 |
| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: yeah it would be difficult. But I guess the iphone is pulling off stuff like that | 23:34 |
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| ShadowJK | iphone basically limits itself to available ram | 23:35 |
| lcuk | iPeter-, ok, you did already try "take battery out, plug in usb, start flasher, wait for it to show 'device not found', then plug battery into n900" | 23:35 |
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| ShadowJK | Alot of the apps suffer from fsync+ext3 disease :) | 23:36 |
| * ShadowJK blames sqlite and waits for someone to say it's "not a problem" "when used correctly" | 23:36 | |
| ShadowJK | but that's black magic :D | 23:37 |
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| * Shapeshifter really likes sqlite | 23:37 | |
| Shapeshifter | but never used it on a mobile/limited ressource device | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | It can do silly things to I/O throughput | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | i continued the 3d accelerator thread on N8x0 at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=654109 | 23:38 |
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| Stskeeps | am i completely daft or does it just look like we need to implement sending frames to the lcd controller? | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | Imagine 1 sec per insertion or whatever you people do with these database things | 23:38 |
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| * ptl bitched and moaned in tmo. Ahhh... Much better! | 23:39 | |
| woglinde | stskeeps what is th status now? | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: well, see the thread | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | the current status is that frames get stuck and never makes it past first frame, for good reason :) | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | (there's no vsync irq) | 23:40 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: ah, it's you. I wrote to the nokia guy about curl and he said he's not working on fremantle anymore and that basically I need to port my own package | 23:40 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: in the end I settled on learning how to use wget for my purposes... | 23:41 |
| woglinde | shapeshifter lol | 23:42 |
| woglinde | yoi could take over the package | 23:42 |
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| dotblank | I thought you couldn't run x appliactions under arm scratchbox? | 23:43 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: mh. basically taking something from here http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/c/curl/ and changing it so that the curl binary also gets built and included? | 23:43 |
| iPeter- | lcuk: Now i got it to flash | 23:43 |
| iPeter- | what should i do after flashing | 23:43 |
| dotblank | But it works for me | 23:43 |
| lcuk | iPeter-, so that method i just said worked cleanly? | 23:43 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: oh and I think you packaged festival? it has some odd unmet dependencies like usermod or something like that | 23:43 |
| iPeter- | no, changed again battery | 23:43 |
| lcuk | changed? | 23:43 |
| iPeter- | Yeah, my m8 came with loaded battery | 23:44 |
| iPeter- | fully loaded | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | cool, so they are giving away free phones with spare batteries now | 23:44 |
| ds3 | how many magnets are there on the N900? | 23:45 |
| hawai`i | 3 | 23:45 |
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| ds3 | one is for the camera door, right? where are the other 2? | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | bomb bay door. | 23:45 |
| ds3 | trying to see where I can tack a compass on there | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | And pod bay. | 23:45 |
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| hawai`i | Haha | 23:46 |
| iPeter- | lcuk: So now should i erase some emmc or what was it? | 23:46 |
| hawai`i | One is on the kick stand. | 23:46 |
| lcuk | iPeter-, boot it up | 23:46 |
| lcuk | it should be ok? | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | keylock button and slide, i think? | 23:46 |
| iPeter- | lcuk: It booted up | 23:46 |
| iPeter- | and works | 23:46 |
| ds3 | is the kick stand also the one that is for the camera door? | 23:46 |
| hawai`i | No. | 23:46 |
| lcuk | woo | 23:46 |
| hawai`i | The kickstand one is not active. | 23:46 |
| lcuk | so have fun | 23:46 |
| hawai`i | It just keeps the kick stand for flopping out. | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: There are six ESD protected GPIO lines in a nice socket on the SD. | 23:46 |
| ds3 | ah | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | hawai`i, eh? it's used for detecting cover presence | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | without it, microsd doesn't work, because n900 thinks you removed the cover | 23:47 |
| hawai`i | ShadowJK: AFIAK, that's a different magnet. | 23:47 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: I just want to physically mount it and communicate back with bluetooth | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | looked one and the same to me :) | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: ah | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: I suggest duct tape. | 23:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | ds3: have you actually seen any bluetooth compass? | 23:47 |
| hawai`i | ds3: by tehe 3.5mm is probably the best spot. | 23:47 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: I can fabricate a plastic spring peice to grip | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's 2 magnets: 1 for slide, 1 for kickstand/backlid-detect | 23:48 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: no, but that's easy enough to solve... you can throw one together using off the shelf parts and a little coding | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: Sure - it's not going to be very small though. | 23:48 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: match box size with little to no work for starters | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: Sorry - I've been thinking about something _way_ smaller | 23:49 |
| ds3 | probally can cut that thickness by 1/2 with a little work | 23:49 |
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| ds3 | SpeedEvil: give me a size reference for what you have in mind | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: Ideally fits in the microSD slot. But that's not possible without are die. | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=961876 - fun micro stuff. | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | bare die | 23:50 |
| lcuk | http://www.magneticsensors.com/hmc5843.htm | 23:50 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: for GPIO access, it is doable | 23:50 |
| lcuk | is the most realistic one afaik | 23:50 |
| ds3 | but I want my SDIO slot | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: I mean - the entire device fitting in the microSD | 23:50 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: yes, I mean that too | 23:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: It's not doable. | 23:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | ds3: You can't get any compass parts that are under 0.8mm thick. | 23:51 |
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| ds3 | Hmmmm | 23:51 |
| ds3 | is 0.8mm the max thick for uSD? | 23:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | it's around 1.1mm or so - but you need a PCV too | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | PCB | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 23:52 |
| lcuk | ds3, see the link i gave | 23:52 |
| ds3 | lcuk: looking at it... 1.3 isn't too horrible | 23:52 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: the PCB can be worked around with unconventional assembly | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: Sure. | 23:53 |
| ds3 | something like a PCB with a hole in the middle so the chip is the entire thickness | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: tip, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=654109 | 23:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | 1.3mm is the thickness of the thick bit | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: (how would i be a collector of interesting links in practice? | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | The bulk of the microsd is much thinner | 23:54 |
| ds3 | interesting but I need/want the slot for storage | 23:54 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, it woud be good to see "hot threads" on tmo | 23:54 |
| lcuk | the ones that are gaining thanks at fastest rate | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:54 |
| lcuk | then news articles could come from there | 23:54 |
| ds3 | I was thinking more of a little pd that clips on somewhere away fromthe magnets | 23:54 |
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| woglinde | good nite | 23:56 |
| lcuk | hello and gnite woglinde \o | 23:56 |
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| mikki-kun | hm... does anybody know here splinter cell? | 23:57 |
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| mikki-kun | cause i think i'll try modding my n900 so that it would would look like the OPSAT from the game/book | 23:58 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: what's your primary objection to an external pod? | 23:58 |
| lcuk | mikki-kun, photos! | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: Clip on stuff is messy. It at best adds ulk to the phone. In practuice, it's going to also make it harder to hold in some orientations, and ... | 23:59 |
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