| MohammadAG | if you don't have input there, add it | 00:00 |
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| PhonicUK | yup thats what its set to | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 00:00 |
| MohammadAG | PhonicUK, does the BT icon change into blue? | 00:00 |
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| PhonicUK | ah its sprung into life! | 00:00 |
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| PhonicUK | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh | 00:00 |
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| PhonicUK | you have to unplug the controller from the USB before it will work xD | 00:01 |
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| PhonicUK | roffle | 00:01 |
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| slingr | does anyone know of anything like hamachi for the n900... i used to use hamachi but since they upgraded to hamachi2 they don't have a linux client | 00:01 |
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| PhonicUK | woooo this is awesome with picodrive :D | 00:05 |
| silbo | woo woo | 00:06 |
| PhonicUK | now to plug it into my TV... | 00:06 |
| PhonicUK | is it me or does the daemon eat a fair amount of CPU time... | 00:07 |
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| PhonicUK | and causing the emus to run slower | 00:07 |
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| PhonicUK | nope just needed a reboot :D | 00:12 |
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| PhonicUK | playing sonic on my tv, brb - nostalgia trip | 00:12 |
| Scelt | can't find chrome from the devel repo | 00:12 |
| jacekowski | just get packages from jacekowski.org/maemo/ | 00:13 |
| jacekowski | you need both of them | 00:13 |
| djkrikke | Hi guys, I'm trying to update "FreOffice" but getting dependency problems, someone could help me understand what's going wrong, so I can fix them myself in the future? http://pastebin.com/GWpdn8gX | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | djkrikke, you're using extras-devel/testing | 00:14 |
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| Scelt | jacekowski: oknpthx | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | and FreeOffice uses qt | 00:14 |
| djkrikke | ShadowJK, that's correct | 00:15 |
| ShadowJK | Most qt things in extras-devel and -testing is broken | 00:15 |
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| djkrikke | right | 00:15 |
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| djkrikke | not a problem at this time | 00:15 |
| djkrikke | but this will be automagically fixed in the future I assume? | 00:15 |
| jacekowski | what sort of processing power builder have? | 00:15 |
| slingr | what is picodrive | 00:16 |
| slingr | nevermind | 00:16 |
| slingr | _google_ | 00:16 |
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| Scelt | jacekowski: damn, I haven't yet installed that deb installer. what's the best? that easy deb? | 00:16 |
| ShadowJK | djkrikke, yes. extras-devel is getting ready for the next firmware release | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | umm, how do I apply a .diff file to a folder? | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: you don't need it | 00:17 |
| djkrikke | ShadowJK, no problem at all then. Any idea on when the migration will be complete, couple of weeks? | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: easydebian is just a debian chroot | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: and these files are native maemo builds | 00:18 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: hmph, libxss installation failed but maybe i try again | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: you just need to insteal them from terminal | 00:18 |
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| Scelt | jacekowski: oh, okay | 00:18 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: basic dpkg -i? | 00:18 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, "diff -r dir1 dir2" theres other options for diff which might be required "man diff" | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | sudo dpkg -i libxss... | 00:18 |
| Scelt | yeah | 00:18 |
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| ShadowJK | djkrikke, it's not really a migration... Basically apps in -devel are getting built for the next firmware, and apps incompatible with current release are blocked from reaching extras.. When the new firmware upgrade arrives, your phone will be able to upgrade freoffice too | 00:19 |
| Scelt | damn I wish xterm woudl remember more than 15 lines of shell history | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | it's not xterm | 00:20 |
| jacekowski | it's busybox | 00:20 |
| Scelt | it says "X Terminal" bu tokay | 00:20 |
| jacekowski | and it can be changed | 00:20 |
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| Scelt | that 15? from where? | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | gconf afaik | 00:20 |
| jacekowski | i mean, it's not xterm that remembers history | 00:20 |
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| Scelt | or oh yes | 00:20 |
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| jacekowski | export HISTSIZE=1000 | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | and add it to .profile | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | It's mostly qt apps that break on crrent firmware, because nokia is bringing us a new qt, same e as MeeGo is going to have, for increased compatibility with MeeGo :) In order to give app devs a head-start, extras-devel was switched to the new stuff recently.. | 00:21 |
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| Scelt | jacekowski: no .profile? just create one? | 00:22 |
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| Scelt | in home | 00:22 |
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| jacekowski | yes | 00:23 |
| jacekowski | or .bashrc | 00:23 |
| slingr | touch .bashrc | 00:23 |
| Scelt | touch .me | 00:23 |
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| slingr | i felt so good at school yesterday | 00:23 |
| slingr | i'm not even in the security course yet | 00:24 |
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| slingr | and i was helping students in 3rd year break into the solaris boxes | 00:24 |
| slingr | in the hacker lab | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | kick friggin messybox, get a decent real shell | 00:24 |
| mgedmin | heh | 00:25 |
| mgedmin | I have ash history working, btw | 00:25 |
| mgedmin | ... I think | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I had a real bash working | 00:25 |
| Scelt | hmph, why I don't see it in env anyhow | 00:25 |
| slingr | what would you recommand Doc | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get install bash | 00:26 |
| mgedmin | oh, right! if I close the xterm, ash dies uncleanly and doesn't write the history file; if I ctrl-d in a term, then it saves history | 00:26 |
| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: how I make it default? | 00:26 |
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| microlith | installing bash is nice, but not having all the associated utilities is meh :/ | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | not recommended (at least for user) - rumor has it it will bork your boot. Just change your xterm .desktop to start bash in a terminal | 00:28 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: nice job with chromium o/ | 00:28 |
| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: okaydokay, thanks! | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: there is still a lot of work to be done | 00:28 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: yeah, sure | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, e.g apt-get install findutils | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | less | 00:29 |
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| slingr | will a firmware reinstall wipe my device completely? I got my n900 used and it has 2 previous owners | 00:30 |
| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: where do i find .desktops again? | 00:30 |
| slingr | i wanna wipe it and start fresh | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: i'm not sure how much stuff i've broken while trying to make it compile | 00:30 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: :] | 00:30 |
| mgedmin | slingr, sure, flash the rootfs and the eMMC and it'll be as new | 00:30 |
| mgedmin | the only thing remembered after reflashing is the device lock code, I think | 00:30 |
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| slingr | should i just use nokia's update software to do this? | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Scelt: forgot, sorry. find / | grep .desktop | 00:31 |
| opdf2 | soo, just got my n900, updated it. cant find moka messanger though. I'm on Tmobile USA | 00:31 |
| opdf2 | *nokia | 00:32 |
| opdf2 | ive heard other people got issues as well | 00:32 |
| opdf2 | its new account-> account provider->nokia messanger | 00:32 |
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| MohammadAG | grr, can't patch a damn .diff | 00:34 |
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| lcuk | ? | 00:35 |
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| javispedro | while reading a quite depressing tmo post :) | 00:35 |
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| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: thx | 00:35 |
| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=601731#post601731 heh. | 00:36 |
| javispedro | can i has windows xp no you need ntfs kernel modules | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | .. | 00:36 |
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| Scelt | fuck, my phone freezed | 00:37 |
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| Scelt | I just saved the desktop file :P | 00:38 |
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| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: lemme out a little more. Exec="/usr... bash" didn't turn out. what I did wrong? | 00:40 |
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| Scelt | bye | 00:41 |
| slingr | lol | 00:41 |
| slingr | he'll be back | 00:41 |
| mgedmin | Scelt, pastebin your full desktop file please | 00:41 |
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| mgedmin | or copy an existing gone, like mc | 00:42 |
| mgedmin | which does Exec=osso-xterm -e mc, so I suspect you want Exec=osso-xterm -e bash | 00:43 |
| mgedmin | but then again I don't know what you're trying to achieve here, just guessing | 00:43 |
| Scelt | i think you're right | 00:43 |
| Scelt | with -e | 00:43 |
| Scelt | but hey, my phone freezed the second time already | 00:44 |
| Scelt | after nano save & close | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | it's /bin/bash not /usr/bash | 00:44 |
| Scelt | MohammadAG: I meant /usr/bin/osso-xterm bash | 00:44 |
| Scelt | just shortened it | 00:44 |
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| Scelt | but now my phone is dead again so waiting for reboot | 00:45 |
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| Scelt | what a powerful app that nano is | 00:45 |
| * MohammadAG concurs | 00:45 | |
| MohammadAG | I think the new nano supports syntax highlighting | 00:45 |
| Scelt | and killing n900 | 00:46 |
| mgedmin | which must be overheating the CPU, clearly | 00:46 |
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| mgedmin | or maybe filling up all the RAM | 00:46 |
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| MohammadAG | Scelt, give it time | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | when you save the .desktop file the menu gets regenerated | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: chrome? | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, nano (editing .desktop file) | 00:47 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: didn't open up chrome after first freeze | 00:47 |
| Scelt | MohammadAG: oh, okay :D | 00:47 |
| jacekowski | i'm running sunspider on it | 00:47 |
| Scelt | MohammadAG: that may explain something | 00:47 |
| jacekowski | and it's slow | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | solarion, I ask again, how do I patch a folder with a .diff file? | 00:48 |
| Scelt | no I saved it again | 00:48 |
| mgedmin | Scelt, also, no -e in your Exec line? | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | patch -p1 < aaa.diff | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | patch -p1 <.diff> isn't working | 00:48 |
| Scelt | mgedmin: Exec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm -e bash | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | oh, the < | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | just one < | 00:48 |
| Scelt | mgedmin: that's the line now | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | mine was for reference, I didn't even use it | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | thanks jacekowski | 00:49 |
| Scelt | mgedmin: not working | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | i know i'm great | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | i had quite good week | 00:49 |
| mgedmin | hm | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 00:49 |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 00:49 | |
| mgedmin | btw what does "not working" mean? | 00:49 |
| mgedmin | terminal doesn't open? | 00:49 |
| mgedmin | opens with an error message? | 00:49 |
| Scelt | it does but no bash | 00:49 |
| mgedmin | opens and closes immediatelly? | 00:49 |
| Scelt | I tried from terminal now | 00:49 |
| mgedmin | opens and has ash running? | 00:50 |
| Scelt | /usr/bin/osso-xterm bash | 00:50 |
| Scelt | and it worked fine | 00:50 |
| Scelt | but | 00:50 |
| Scelt | now trying to edit .desktop-file | 00:50 |
| Scelt | not working meant opening and running ash | 00:50 |
| mgedmin | hm | 00:50 |
| Scelt | the freeze really was about menu refresh :P fuck, I'm getting too impatient | 00:51 |
| Scelt | and swearing all the time. sorry | 00:51 |
| * MohammadAG gets some soap | 00:51 | |
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| Scelt | mgedmin: so I'm editing osso-xterm.desktop to get bash up and running from shortcut | 00:51 |
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| Scelt | ni /usr/share/applications/hildon/osso-xterm.desktop | 00:52 |
| jacekowski | js performance is a disaster | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | ni? | 00:52 |
| Scelt | in I meant | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | it's either nano or vi not both lol | 00:52 |
| Scelt | ;D | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 00:52 |
| Scelt | I'm just thinking if that's the right file at all | 00:53 |
| jacekowski | ok | 00:53 |
| jacekowski | i've tested javascript performance | 00:54 |
| Scelt | damn, I'm editing the menu shortcut. I think | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | on v8 benchmark | 00:54 |
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| mgedmin | Scelt, and lauching from a desktop shortcut? | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | it's about 3000 on my desktop on opera | 00:54 |
| Scelt | mgedmin: yeah | 00:54 |
| mgedmin | heh, cool | 00:54 |
| mgedmin | plausible answer | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | and about 100 on chrome on n900 | 00:54 |
| Scelt | mgedmin: but where I can find desktop shortcut then? | 00:55 |
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| jacekowski | and about 15 on microb | 00:55 |
| lardman | evening chaps | 00:55 |
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| mgedmin | Scelt, hm, actually they're the same, AFAICS | 00:56 |
| jacekowski | so chrome performance compared to microb is great | 00:56 |
| mgedmin | there's a gconf key that lists all the desktop files added as shortcuts to the desktop | 00:56 |
| jacekowski | but not even close to desktop performance | 00:56 |
| mgedmin | plus some extra keys that detail which desktop and at what coordinates | 00:56 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: what are you doing | 00:57 |
| Scelt | mgedmin: :( what's wrong then | 00:57 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: i had quite a bit of trouble with .desktop files today | 00:57 |
| mgedmin | Scelt, perhaps osso-xterm is already running in the background | 00:57 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: making the xterm run as bash on startup | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: can you do some other tests? How long does frontpages of slashdot, ebay, ... take to render? | 00:57 |
| Scelt | mgedmin: njet | 00:57 |
| mgedmin | Scelt, so the desktop file tells it to open a new window instead of starting a new app with the right command line | 00:57 |
| mgedmin | or maybe when X-Osso-Service is specified maemo ignores the Exec line altogether? | 00:58 |
| Scelt | should it be Exec=... or Exec="..." | 00:58 |
| mgedmin | I bet that's it | 00:58 |
| Scelt | then I comment it | 00:58 |
| mgedmin | or edit /usr/share/dbus-1/services/osso-xterm.service instead | 00:59 |
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| mgedmin | scary | 00:59 |
| Scelt | waaat | 00:59 |
| Scelt | maybe not | 00:59 |
| Scelt | too afraid | 00:59 |
| mgedmin | there's also the chsh option: change your shell in /etc/passwd | 00:59 |
| mgedmin | I'm also too scared to accidentally break something by doing that ;) | 00:59 |
| mgedmin | so I live with busybox sh | 00:59 |
| Scelt | docman said it may cause trouble | 00:59 |
| mgedmin | have you got mc installed? | 00:59 |
| mgedmin | it has a working desktop file that opens an xterm with mc running inside | 01:00 |
| Scelt | I have to ask "mc?" so I bet not | 01:00 |
| mgedmin | you could create a bash.desktop doing the same thing | 01:00 |
| Scelt | :] | 01:00 |
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| MohammadAG | midnight commander | 01:00 |
| mgedmin | mc is a fun xterm file manager | 01:00 |
| mgedmin | more useful over ssh than from xterm | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | pure xterm is more fun | 01:00 |
| Scelt | \o/ | 01:00 |
| Scelt | RUUNNNINNNGGG BAAASH | 01:00 |
| mgedmin | pure xterm is like navigating a house with your eyes closed: fun, but not quick | 01:00 |
| Scelt | mgedmin: #X-osso-service <3 | 01:01 |
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| mgedmin | curious: if you try to use the xterm launcher more than once, will it open several xterms now? | 01:02 |
| mgedmin | ordinarily it would just bring the already-running xterm window to the foreground | 01:02 |
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| Scelt | does the same | 01:02 |
| Scelt | open the already open | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | <mgedmin> pure xterm is like navigating a house with your eyes closed: fun, but not quick | 01:02 |
| Scelt | good english | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | but it's still fun :P | 01:02 |
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| mgedmin | has anybody ported any interactive fiction games for maemo? | 01:03 |
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| b-man|laptop | well, if you know linux like i do - using the raw terminal is just at home as using emelfm2 xD | 01:04 |
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| Scelt | mgedmin: thanks for your help! | 01:04 |
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| Scelt | irreco would be more useful if the ir wasn't so weak | 01:05 |
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| MohammadAG | Scelt, it's not weak, it's directional | 01:05 |
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| Scelt | MohammadAG: both | 01:05 |
| b-man|laptop | and if you know the terminal, it's not like navigating around a house with your eyes closed ;P | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | only works if I'm pointing in a straight line, but it works from a long distance (my trip to the mall proved it) | 01:06 |
| Scelt | and lirc daemon doesn't run on it's own | 01:06 |
| Scelt | I have to run it from terminal | 01:06 |
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| Scelt | then I forget to stop it and my battery drains | 01:06 |
| * lardman mutters to himself about the general crapness of Ovi Maps | 01:06 | |
| Scelt | lardman: waiting for the ovi maps 3 | 01:07 |
| * MohammadAG tells lardman to go buy sygic | 01:07 | |
| MohammadAG | Scelt, keep dreaming :P | 01:07 |
| lardman | Scelt: no idea, but it's really rubbish now that I've had to use the current version | 01:07 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: buy! no chance, I'll write my own | 01:07 |
| Scelt | got 3 in my N82. it's great | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, then buy it for free :P | 01:08 |
| lardman | yeah | 01:08 |
| lardman | just. need. digital. compass. | 01:08 |
| slingr | i really want sygic but its too expensive for me right now | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, solder one | 01:09 |
| lardman | is there a HowTo yet? | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | just rip a hole in the battery cover and solder it | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | oh btw it would be analogue, but should work | 01:09 |
| lardman | yeah, but what component and where to solder it and has someone sorted out drivers yet, etc | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, not really, just buy a compass and solder it | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | then flip the N900 to look at the direction and flip it back to adjust maps | 01:11 |
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| lardman | lol | 01:11 |
| lardman | not quite what I want here | 01:11 |
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| lardman | i.e. augmented reality apps | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | TomaszD: ty mi powiedz | 01:12 |
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| mgedmin | b-man|laptop, my point was that in xterm you don't see what files are in $PWD unless you explicitly reach out and fell around you with 'ls' | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | TomaszD: co ja zle zrobilem ze paczka jest w http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/source/c/chromium/ a nie ma jej w app managerze | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | TomaszD: i w Packages jej nie ma | 01:13 |
| b-man|laptop | mgedmin: that's true | 01:13 |
| TomaszD | jacekowski, wygląda OK, nie wiem, może autobuilder się zepsuł, a czemu non-free? | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | bo to recznie budowalem | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | bo nie chcialem przez autobuildera puszczac | 01:14 |
| mgedmin | fwiw I rarely bother to launch mc these days, but it's still perfect for a few use cases, like comparing two directories, or diving inside a .deb to have a look | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | bo to nijak nie kompatybilne | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | wiec na razie taki proof-of-concept ze sie da | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | a teraz hakuje porzadna paczke | 01:14 |
| TomaszD | jacekowski, nie wiem jak jest z polityką non-free, pytałeś się admina repo X-Fade ? | 01:15 |
| Proteous | or sshing into another box and runing irssi and mutt | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | nie ma go | 01:15 |
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| Proteous | or running nmap | 01:15 |
| Proteous | or metasploit | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | TomaszD: raczej wydaje mi sie ze popsulem paczke | 01:15 |
| TomaszD | no to musisz na niego poczekać :) jak puścisz przez autobuilder to się pojawi | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | a ty wiesz co to za maszyna jest? | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | bo mi sie na dosyc powaznym serwerze 2h ponad budowalo | 01:16 |
| TomaszD | o to się nie martw. | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | pytanie teraz - jak ja chce paczke to ona musi byc autotoolsowa? | 01:17 |
| Proteous | I canmt take seriusly any language that uses that many z's y's and w's | 01:17 |
| b-man|laptop | gah, i don't understand a word of this lol | 01:17 |
| TomaszD | alright alright... | 01:17 |
| TomaszD | jacekowski, I've no idea about autotools being somehow required, I don't think so | 01:18 |
| Scelt | polish | 01:18 |
| Scelt | czech= | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | polish | 01:18 |
| javispedro | stop complaining, curiosity won here and I already used google translator :) | 01:18 |
| Scelt | yeah \o/ | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | google translator fails on something like that | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | well google translator fails on polish | 01:19 |
| Scelt | no mieti jos puhuttais suomea. ei kai tästäkään tolkkua saa. osaiskohan googlekaan käännellä? | 01:19 |
| mgedmin | kaip linksma ir smagu girdėti daug kalbų! | 01:19 |
| javispedro | probably, but there's not enough stuff to criticise about extras to make understanding any discussion a hard exercise >:) | 01:19 |
| Scelt | You just went over the line, man. Klingon is prohibited! | 01:19 |
| mgedmin | this is going into my signature file | 01:19 |
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| Scelt | mgedmin: what language? | 01:20 |
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| mgedmin | oh, right, my shiny maemo IRC cloak obscures my hostname, which ends in .lt | 01:20 |
| mgedmin | lithuanian | 01:20 |
| b-man|laptop | lol, tłumacze są niesamowite! xD | 01:20 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: I visited Poland last year's summer... or maybe it was a year before that. but anyhow, your driving culture is insane! | 01:20 |
| mgedmin | although sitting in #ubuntu-lt is a dead giveaway | 01:21 |
| Scelt | mgedmin: WHOIS This command could not be completed because it has been used recently, and is rate-limited. | 01:21 |
| Scelt | ;P | 01:21 |
| * mgedmin drove through Poland twice, it was an unforgettable experience | 01:21 | |
| Scelt | the taxi drivers are awful | 01:21 |
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| b-man|laptop | rofl | 01:21 |
| mgedmin | truck drivers are scary, when they're overtaking each other in a narrow two-lane country road | 01:22 |
| b-man|laptop | Scelt: what did they do to you? xD | 01:22 |
| TomaszD | oh come on, it's not that bad | 01:22 |
| Scelt | b-man|laptop: drive too madly. they drive like there's no tomorrow. | 01:22 |
| b-man|laptop | LOL | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | can anybody with fresh scratchbox show me result of /usr/include/ | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 01:23 |
| b-man|laptop | Scelt: hey, at least they get there fast! xD | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | find /usr/include/ | 01:23 |
| Scelt | b-man|laptop: yeah, sure. if they get there... | 01:23 |
| b-man|laptop | lol | 01:23 |
| TomaszD | if you want really bad driving, go to south africa, we're a bit better over here :P | 01:24 |
| Scelt | I can take the highspeed and overtakings, but when driver seems to scare too, it's going off the limits | 01:24 |
| Scelt | TomaszD: at least they don't go so fast with donkeys :D | 01:24 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: the most scarry thing happened to me in UK | 01:25 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: tell me more | 01:25 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: i was doing steady 90mph | 01:25 |
| TomaszD | heh, already illegal, but do go on | 01:25 |
| jacekowski | and there was like a hill with a bend | 01:25 |
| b-man|laptop | rofl | 01:25 |
| jacekowski | and somebody was overtaking huge lorry | 01:26 |
| b-man|laptop | i see where this is going! :D | 01:26 |
| jacekowski | and he was probably doing another 90mph as well | 01:26 |
| Scelt | :-D | 01:26 |
| TomaszD | so the scary thing was you not adjusting your speed to road conditions, ok | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:26 |
| TomaszD | and doing way over the limit | 01:26 |
| jacekowski | speed limit on that road was 60 | 01:26 |
| b-man|laptop | xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD | 01:26 |
| Scelt | btw, are they really using mph in UK too? I thought only USA and that one african country used them anymore | 01:27 |
| jacekowski | so that wouldn't be that much difference | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil_ | speed limits are not recommended speeds. | 01:27 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: yep, we are using miles here | 01:27 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: you in UK? | 01:27 |
| jacekowski | yes | 01:27 |
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| Scelt | okay | 01:27 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil_: i know, it's minimum speed on the road | 01:27 |
| Scelt | going 30 miles (~50 kmh) over the speed limit would end up losing the driving card in Finland | 01:28 |
| TomaszD | we treat the speed "limits" as vague suggestions over here | 01:28 |
| b-man|laptop | hehe | 01:28 |
| TomaszD | you have a case in point in the story | 01:28 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: here the same | 01:28 |
| jacekowski | Scelt: if you get caught | 01:28 |
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| Scelt | jacekowski: yeah, if :) | 01:29 |
| b-man|laptop | "we suggest 30mph, but you can go 60 if you want" LOL | 01:29 |
| TomaszD | no, you don't lose your license if you go 50kmh over the speed limit jacekowski, or are you talking about UK? | 01:29 |
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| jacekowski | UK | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | well you don't lose it | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | you go to court | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | somebody at work did it | 01:30 |
| b-man|laptop | same in the US | 01:30 |
| Scelt | but still. we Finns drive pretty nicely after all. Going 140 kmh when limit is 120 kmh and stuff like that, when you get away with a general ticket and maximum of 115 euro payment | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | but he was doing over 110 mph on a bike | 01:30 |
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| jacekowski | ( he overtook undercover police car while training pursuit ) | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | he got arrested | 01:31 |
| jacekowski | went to court | 01:31 |
| jacekowski | and left with month ban | 01:31 |
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| TomaszD | god damn, I hope you don't speak the same way as you write, because you seem to have a general aversion towards articles, sorry, I can't get over it | 01:32 |
| TomaszD | :) | 01:32 |
| Scelt | somewhere in Lapland I could drive really over the limits but not here. Police is everywhere and I don't wanna lose my license. it costs too much | 01:32 |
| b-man|laptop | jacekowski: where i'm at, if your pulled over for speeding and your under 18, you automatically loose you license until your 18 | 01:32 |
| Scelt | b-man|laptop: we also get one year ban for getting one | 01:33 |
| b-man|laptop | heh | 01:33 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | There is the alternative speed regulation of course. | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil_ | Fuel costing 1.20 pounds a litre | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | no it doesn't | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | it's barely $1 per litre! | 01:36 |
| jacekowski | and i still remember when it used to be under 1 pound | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil_ | ($8/us gallon) | 01:36 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: we shall thank the yankees for that | 01:36 |
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| jacekowski | well but our's is 95 and yours is 87 i think | 01:36 |
| Scelt | 87 :-D | 01:36 |
| jacekowski | that's why us cars use mor fuel | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | and it works out at about same price per km | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil_: I suddenly realise how deranged Australia is. Dollars, but litres. | 01:37 |
| Scelt | we have 95, 98 and V-POWER WROOM WROOM | 01:37 |
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| jacekowski | yeah we have 97 and v-power | 01:37 |
| * b-man|laptop wants a smart car | 01:37 | |
| crashanddie | anyway, if this is going to become an anti-american discussion, I'm off to work | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 01:38 |
| Scelt | we didn't get there yet! | 01:38 |
| Scelt | damn | 01:38 |
| lardman | hey and bye crashanddie" | 01:38 |
| lardman | ! | 01:38 |
| Scelt | well, I better get to sleep then | 01:38 |
| Scelt | everyone has a place to go | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | yo lardman | 01:38 |
| Scelt | g'nights you little nerdieboys | 01:39 |
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| mece | ~seen Cpasjuste | 01:41 |
| infobot | cpasjuste <~cpasjuste@mydedibox.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 2h 56m 44s ago, saying: 'actually i'm trying to see why the "flasher" utility do not work from bootmenu.sh script'. | 01:41 |
| mece | 22 days ago ey | 01:41 |
| mece | damn | 01:41 |
| jacekowski | can anybody send me result of find /usr/include in armel scratchbox? | 01:41 |
| mece | jacekowski, sure.. but I have lots of stuff installed that isn't there from scratch (pun intended) | 01:43 |
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| mece | jacekowski, http://pastebin.com/gh3LtM3A | 01:46 |
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| jacekowski | mhm | 01:47 |
| jacekowski | i need somebody with virgin scratchbox | 01:47 |
| javispedro | may I ask why? | 01:48 |
| jacekowski | because i copied lot of files by hand to /usr/include | 01:48 |
| jacekowski | to make chrome compile | 01:48 |
| mece | I can't believe I actually managed to improve something! | 01:48 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, just unpack the rootstrap | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | re-unpack | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | it will not delete additional files | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | then rm -r /usr/lib and unpack | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | that's asking for a disaster | 01:50 |
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| mece | unpack it somewhere else | 01:50 |
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| lardman | night all | 01:50 |
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| jacekowski | that's what i'm going to do | 01:50 |
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| jacekowski | well, there are some files that are not in rootstrap and are not created by me | 01:55 |
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| w00t_ | I really hate moments where I realise I've written 200 lines of code that I didn't need to write | 02:07 |
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| MohammadAG | <jacekowski> well, there are some files that are not in rootstrap and are not created by me | 02:13 |
| MohammadAG | nokia-binaries | 02:13 |
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| Treibholz | is pulseaudio playing the audio-files? | 02:14 |
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| * w00t_ has working comments read support in facebrick now \o/ | 02:15 | |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:18 |
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| javispedro | anybody can request being a maintainer of it | 02:21 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, how? | 02:21 |
| javispedro | login, visit that page, click "request" | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG | w00t_, ^ :) | 02:21 |
| * w00t_ does | 02:22 | |
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| MohammadAG | err | 02:24 |
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| MohammadAG | I wanted to change maintainers not add w00t_ lol | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | w00t_, is there a request to remove me? | 02:25 |
| javispedro | doubt it | 02:25 |
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| * w00t_ looks | 02:25 | |
| w00t_ | doesn't look like it | 02:26 |
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| MohammadAG | w00t_, there, that's in the logs | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | if you find anyone to fix it :) | 02:27 |
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| w00t_ | k | 02:28 |
| w00t_ | gahh | 02:28 |
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| w00t_ | stay connected | 02:28 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: chromium still does not show up, you know what's going on? And btw, did you use 'user/network' instead of 'network' for chromium to appear in HAM? | 02:36 |
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| slingr | someone sent me a list of good repositories to add yesterday but i didn't bookmark it | 02:38 |
| slingr | anyone have the link? | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | slingr, | 02:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 02:39 |
| infobot | extras is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, he used user/network | 02:39 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | slingr: it was me, hold on. | 02:40 |
| jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: i'm making proper package now anyways | 02:40 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: cool. But why chromium still does not appear? | 02:40 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: ok... | 02:40 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: don't forget to bump the version so you can deprecate your old package :) | 02:41 |
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| jacekowski | that's a little bit of a problem | 02:41 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | slingr: http://n900.aguilarj.com/?page_id=369 | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, don't give out links to -devel / SDK repos without warnings! | 02:42 |
| MohammadAG | oh and no idea :) | 02:42 |
| slingr | thanks ptl | 02:42 |
| jacekowski | because i've used 5.0.369.2 as version | 02:43 |
| jacekowski | which is source chrome version | 02:43 |
| slingr | so would i find things liek nano in the maemo tools repo? | 02:43 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: sorry. :) next time will do | 02:43 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | slingr: as MohammadAG said, when you use extra repositories, you risk bricking your device, so take care!! | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | ! | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 02:43 |
| slingr | yeah, i had the n810 for years and i have quite a few years of debian experience.. so i'm not _too_ worried | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, extras is defined by default I think | 02:44 |
| jacekowski | i forgot about one library that it depends on | 02:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: you should have added a 'package' version, like chromium-5.0.369.2-1 | 02:44 |
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| jacekowski | libnss | 02:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | slingr: ok :) | 02:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | libnss? | 02:45 |
| jacekowski | that package is just a disaster | 02:45 |
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| MohammadAG | 50MBs of it | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 02:45 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | weird; mine worked without that library, only libxss | 02:45 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I guess I had to use it if I went to a https page | 02:45 |
| bullet` | hello room | 02:45 |
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| jacekowski | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libnss3-1d | 02:45 |
| jacekowski | something like that | 02:45 |
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| jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: i know that it was using headers from it | 02:46 |
| jacekowski | i think library is installed by default | 02:46 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: 50M | 02:46 |
| jacekowski | ? | 02:46 |
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| jacekowski | it's 20 here | 02:47 |
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| MohammadAG | you said the library was 50 | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | uncompressed | 02:47 |
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| jacekowski | that's whole package | 02:47 |
| jacekowski | not just library | 02:47 |
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| jacekowski | nevermind | 02:47 |
| jacekowski | it's sleep time | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, before you go | 02:47 |
| jacekowski | i've sleept less than 10h in last 3 days | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | the debian/optify file | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | does it need something to be applied? | 02:48 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | good sleep! | 02:48 |
| jacekowski | i've got no idea | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | night then :) | 02:48 |
| jacekowski | i just made it to work off /opt | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | manual optification | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | that's a PITA lol | 02:48 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | does anyone use LyX here? | 02:49 |
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| grishnav | omg | 02:50 |
| grishnav | i think i hate upstart | 02:50 |
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| jacekowski | i hate it as well | 02:51 |
| jacekowski | my kubuntu is broken because of it | 02:51 |
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| grishnav | is there some secret magic to getting upstart to start a daemon on startup? | 02:51 |
| grishnav | it simply _will not_ start my VPN | 02:51 |
| grishnav | on startup, that is | 02:51 |
| jacekowski | yes | 02:52 |
| jacekowski | /etc/event.d | 02:52 |
| grishnav | i put a file in there for it | 02:52 |
| grishnav | and if i use start openvpn | 02:52 |
| grishnav | it works fine | 02:52 |
| grishnav | but i want it to happen automatically | 02:52 |
| jacekowski | what's a content of your file | 02:52 |
| slingr | is maemo's repositories held somewhere different? i see nothing in the /etc/apt/sources.list | 02:53 |
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| MohammadAG | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon(something) | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | use tab | 02:54 |
| grishnav | jacekowski: /msg'd | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | it starts with hildon | 02:54 |
| slingr | okies | 02:54 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | grishnav: you have to specify when it's supposed to start... "start on (something)" | 02:54 |
| grishnav | ptl_demands_PR12: it is... start on stopped rcS, just like sshd | 02:54 |
| slingr | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 02:54 |
| grishnav | i've also tried start on runlevel [2345] and start on startup | 02:54 |
| grishnav | and all those together | 02:54 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | runlevels won't work | 02:54 |
| grishnav | well what does? there doesn't seem to be a list of events anywhere... | 02:55 |
| jacekowski | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ | 02:56 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, go to bed :P | 02:56 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | maybe it starts but bails out since the network is not on yet when you turn on the device, grishnav | 02:56 |
| grishnav | openvpn (stop) waiting | 02:57 |
| grishnav | ptl_demands_PR12: could be, but it shouldn't. openvpn will just set there and recycle itself in the absence of a network connection | 02:57 |
| grishnav | plus, respawn is on | 02:57 |
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| jacekowski | good night | 02:58 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | try start on started hildon-desktop | 02:58 |
| grishnav | i tried that one too, but let me try it again | 02:58 |
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| jacekowski | besides | 02:59 |
| grishnav | is there a network even of some sort? | 02:59 |
| jacekowski | i really like a way how porn mode works in new opera | 02:59 |
| jacekowski | not like firefox that it switches whole browser to porn mode | 02:59 |
| jacekowski | it's just specific tabs | 02:59 |
| adalal | porn mode? | 03:00 |
| adalal | like the invisible mode on google chrome? | 03:00 |
| grishnav | adalal: incognito/etc. | 03:00 |
| adalal | ah yeah | 03:00 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | grishnav: do you have an 'exec' line like exec /etc/init.d/vpnclient start | 03:01 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ? | 03:01 |
| jacekowski | it's called private tab in opera | 03:01 |
| grishnav | ptl_demands_PR12: yup | 03:01 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | :/ | 03:01 |
| grishnav | exec /usr/sbin/openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/vpn.conf | 03:01 |
| grishnav | holy eff | 03:02 |
| grishnav | ptl_demands_PR12: starting after hildon did it | 03:02 |
| grishnav | don't know how or why, not entirely sure i care | 03:02 |
| grishnav | lol | 03:02 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | good :D | 03:02 |
| grishnav | ptl_demands_PR12: thanks! <3 | 03:02 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | yw! | 03:02 |
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| crashanddie | "A few hundred warehouse workers and drivers at Danish brewer Carlsberg halted work for a second day on Thursday to protest a company decision to limit beer drinking at work to lunch breaks." | 03:10 |
| crashanddie | And this is what they believe is unfair: "There has been free beer, water and soft drinks everywhere," he said. "Yesterday, beers were removed from all refrigerators. The only place you can get a beer in future is in the canteen, at lunch." | 03:11 |
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| Tester | well, they should be proud of their products.. that would be like Nokia forbidding their employes from using their phones at work! | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | except using your phones doesn't make you drunk | 03:12 |
| Tester | whats wrong with office drinking ? | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | So you believe employees at a pharmaceutical company have an inate right to get high during hours? | 03:12 |
| Tester | why not ? | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | stop trolling | 03:12 |
| Tester | I certainly use my company's products at work | 03:12 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | lol | 03:12 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | It would be nice if this reasoning was applied to weapon's manufacturers or the Big Pharmaceutical companies | 03:13 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I mean. NOT nice. | 03:14 |
| crashanddie | you should've said you were being sarcastic | 03:15 |
| crashanddie | "The Reuters Ipsos poll of 23,000 adults in 22 countries showed that more than 40 percent of people from India and China believe that aliens walk among us disguised as humans, while those least likely to believe in this are from Belgium, Sweden and the Netherlands (8 percent each)." | 03:16 |
| crashanddie | So, the US always sees UFOs | 03:16 |
| crashanddie | and here in Europe we always laughed at it | 03:16 |
| crashanddie | two things we can conclude from this | 03:17 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | so, only 40 percent of indians and chinese people know the truth. Too bad... </irony> | 03:17 |
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| crashanddie | - The bigger the country, the more likely stupid opinions will circulate | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | - There are more aliens in Europe, which is why we always go "NOO, THERE ARE NO ALIENS" | 03:17 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | what about these countries in africa that think that some people can cast a spell on you that will make your weeny shrink and fall? | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | They never said they were extraterrestial | 03:18 |
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| crashanddie | wooohoooo | 03:21 |
| crashanddie | I'm finally freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | 03:21 |
| crashanddie | no longer a mod on TMO | 03:21 |
| * crashanddie starts playing the Who | 03:21 | |
| crashanddie | YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 03:21 |
| javispedro | enjoy your sanity | 03:22 |
| crashanddie | quoted | 03:22 |
| * MohammadAG applies to moderate instead of crashanddie | 03:22 | |
| FlavioFerreiraBR | Someone will be mentor of gsoc ? | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | jkyro_, I don't want to feel tortured lol | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | jk* | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 03:23 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: I thought you liked being a moderator | 03:24 |
| crashanddie | have you not seen my ranting about it? | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | he loved it | 03:24 |
| crashanddie | It's the most shitty position in this community | 03:24 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | no... | 03:24 |
| crashanddie | a normal user has more rights than a moderator | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 03:24 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | lol² | 03:24 |
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| crashanddie | It took me 3 or 4 days for the admin to remove my moderator rights | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | it takes him 3 minutes to revet one of my actions if a user complains | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | revert | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | I'm kidding, btw, Reggie is doing an excellent job -- just way too much of it | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | There should be a moderator team-lead | 03:25 |
| javispedro | I nominate you >:) | 03:26 |
| crashanddie | You really want tmo to descend into the 9 layers of hell, right? | 03:26 |
| javispedro | Ah, you mean you're moderator team-lead already? | 03:27 |
| GAN900 | lol | 03:28 |
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| * DocScrutinizer mangle TMO thru a 9-dimensional mandelbrodt and feeds it to all telecommunication sats worldwide, dressed with a hoof and horns | 03:29 | |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | and then make a screensaver out of it. | 03:30 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | Ok, I am confused | 03:42 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | I've just watched a video of the new iPhone OS 4.0 and it has the new features... Multitask support, folder creation, multiple exchange email accounts...??? Come on. Was the iPhone such a limited device??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4p8HZGtzf4&playnext_from=TL&videos=7FfWHFxLzo8&feature=sub | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, how else would you get everyone hyped about new features in updates | 03:43 |
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| MohammadAG | 4.0 will be a big update cause it has multitasking | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG | now if it did have multitasking in 1.0, what would be left for 4.0? | 03:44 |
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| corecode | free sex? | 03:52 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 03:53 |
| bullet` | what ? | 03:53 |
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| bullet` | i want a free pr1.2 !! its going to be better than sex | 03:54 |
| MohammadAG | bullet`, <MohammadAG> now if it did have multitasking in 1.0, what would be left for 4.0? | 03:54 |
| bullet` | sex is overrated for sure, n900 is not :p | 03:54 |
| corecode | heh see what people have in their hilights | 03:54 |
| MohammadAG | XD | 03:54 |
| bullet` | you know guys | 03:56 |
| bullet` | i hate the fact that i'm still using windows on my laptop | 03:57 |
| bullet` | the more i grow up, the more i hate microsof | 03:57 |
| bullet` | t | 03:57 |
| bullet` | there was a time i used to fight with ppl on how cool microsoft is hehe | 03:57 |
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| MohammadAG | bullet`, well they're better than apple | 04:00 |
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| MohammadAG | if they suck, they'll admit it/fix it next time | 04:00 |
| MohammadAG | uploading 19.2MBs to extras-devel is a pita... | 04:02 |
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| MohammadAG | especially since there's no progress bar | 04:02 |
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| silverbullet | well i dont know if they r better than apple | 04:03 |
| MohammadAG | the HTC incredible has 576MBs of ram o.O | 04:04 |
| silverbullet | hmm | 04:04 |
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| silverbullet | thats good | 04:04 |
| MohammadAG | damn that took time | 04:05 |
| MohammadAG | moved to autobuilder, will most likely fail | 04:05 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | 576 MB or 576 MiB? Are they measuring their memory like hard disk manufacturers now? :P | 04:06 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I don't see the point in having a broken number like 576 instead of 512 | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG | says MB, but yeah, 512 is most likely it | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, well they are HTC after all :) | 04:07 |
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| crashanddie | game, set and match: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49492&page=3 | 04:16 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: you might enjoy the link above | 04:16 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: you too | 04:17 |
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| MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/view/frozen-bubble/ | 04:38 |
| MohammadAG | why isn't the package there? it was built fine | 04:38 |
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| ech0Asus | sup everyone | 04:46 |
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| silverbullet | still waiting for meego's ui and maemo's pr1.2 :) | 04:46 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | let's make a community-driver PR1.2 then | 04:47 |
| ech0Asus | was wonderin bout this tmobile plan, anyone confirm the EM+ 500 w/ 10$ unlimited web is same speeds as the other? | 04:47 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | *community-driven | 04:47 |
| ech0Asus | would it be better to get the unlimited data plan card for 50$ a month or is it just as fast plus the whole 500EM+ deal and 10$ cheaper? | 04:48 |
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| trip0 | where do the .desktop files get installed on freemantle? | 05:06 |
| trip0 | doesn't look like there are very many in /usr/share/applications | 05:07 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | /usr/share/applications/hildon | 05:16 |
| trip0 | bingo | 05:21 |
| trip0 | anyone here get sygic to work? | 05:21 |
| FlavioFerreiraBR | Algum brasileiro ? | 05:21 |
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| ech0Asus | people suggest a "dumb phone" to take into the tmobile store and get the cheep setup, would the cheapest prepaid tmo phone at wallie world work? | 05:30 |
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| b-man_fedora | woot!!! i'm chatting from my N900 booted into Fedora :DDD | 05:33 |
| b-man_fedora | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=601109#post601109 :))) | 05:34 |
| bullet` | u r the man !!! | 05:34 |
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| fernando_ | can I have it for the n810, please? :3 | 05:35 |
| * b-man_fedora is going to try google chrome on his N900 xD | 05:35 | |
| bullet` | thats going to be cool | 05:36 |
| bullet` | how is the speed and useability ? | 05:36 |
| b-man_fedora | everything is pretty snappy :) | 05:36 |
| ech0Asus | is there a means of using the phone in other os? | 05:36 |
| ech0Asus | like actually dialing a number? | 05:37 |
| b-man_fedora | well | 05:37 |
| b-man_fedora | maybe | 05:37 |
| bullet` | is the wifi working ? | 05:37 |
| ech0Asus | that would be cool to use another app that can work with the hardware | 05:37 |
| ech0Asus | how did you install it? | 05:38 |
| ech0Asus | dual boot? | 05:38 |
| b-man_fedora | wifi is fully functional :) | 05:39 |
| b-man_fedora | yup | 05:39 |
| ech0Asus | congrats :) | 05:39 |
| b-man_fedora | ty :) | 05:39 |
| b-man_fedora | also, the keyboard entierly works :D | 05:39 |
| ech0Asus | if can somehow find a phone app u could be os idenpendant lol | 05:39 |
| b-man_fedora | gotta work on right-click though | 05:40 |
| b-man_fedora | lol yeah xD | 05:40 |
| ech0Asus | any linux distro u want lol | 05:40 |
| ech0Asus | would be sick | 05:40 |
| ech0Asus | i love maemo but would be cool to have strait debian and then perhaps access to all maemo software under that? | 05:41 |
| b-man_fedora | i am working on ubuntu lucid ;) | 05:41 |
| b-man_fedora | fedora seems to work very well on the N900 | 05:42 |
| ech0Asus | yeah that would be cool too ubuntu has a lot of packages and they stay well up to date on the majority of them | 05:42 |
| ech0Asus | debian based.. could prolly get all the maemo software on it too inside ubuntu | 05:42 |
| ech0Asus | maybe even the phone app itself | 05:42 |
| b-man_fedora | yup :) | 05:42 |
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| b-man_fedora | gsm (almost) works in fedora :) | 05:42 |
| ech0Asus | hell yeah :) | 05:43 |
| b-man_fedora | power management(screen dimming, sleep) work :)))))) | 05:43 |
| b-man_fedora | *works | 05:44 |
| bullet` | hey can u tell me just the theory of how all this happens ?? i mean first you download the source of fedora and than buld it for arm cpu of n900 ? and that flash ? | 05:44 |
| ech0Asus | chroot install prolly | 05:44 |
| b-man_fedora | i used a raw fedora-arm image from the fedora-arm page | 05:44 |
| b-man_fedora | yup | 05:44 |
| b-man_fedora | with optimizations | 05:45 |
| ech0Asus | :) | 05:45 |
| b-man_fedora | i implemented some base packages from mer :) | 05:45 |
| ech0Asus | b-man do u have a service plan on ur phone? | 05:45 |
| b-man_fedora | kinda | 05:45 |
| b-man_fedora | O2 Wireless | 05:45 |
| bullet` | so fedora officially supports arm adn releases their distro for arm always ? | 05:46 |
| b-man_fedora | so far, yes | 05:46 |
| ech0Asus | erm, tryin to find someone with the tmobile EM+ 500/10$ web want to ask how well it works | 05:46 |
| b-man_fedora | well, not completely official | 05:46 |
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| bullet` | so the final everything goes to one file ? and than u flash it ? or maybe configure for a dual boot ? | 05:47 |
| ech0Asus | is there any other distro that u can use a the phone app in currently? | 05:48 |
| b-man_fedora | i download a tarball and extract it to my sd card | 05:48 |
| b-man_fedora | well | 05:48 |
| b-man_fedora | i guess ubuntu xD | 05:48 |
| b-man_fedora | i was trying to get WebOS running | 05:49 |
| b-man_fedora | but the setup is very strange | 05:49 |
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| b-man_fedora | fernando_: sure, fedora can run on an N810 :) | 05:52 |
| b-man_fedora | just need a proper keymap and some drivers | 05:52 |
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| fernando_ | :o cool, I want to hack my n810 again hehe, I have been just using it as a Ti calculator :P | 05:54 |
| b-man_fedora | lol | 05:55 |
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| crashanddie | heh, python is fun: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=602105#post602105 | 05:59 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: I've got to confess, this paragraph of yours is one of the most inspired I've ever read: "I don't like Flash, if that wasn't apparent up to now. It's a proprietary piece of **** that has become a standard on the web, not because of its qualities, not because of its strengths, but because it was there. Flash is a disease, born to power small banners, and has been abused to become a ful | 06:10 |
| bullet` | i agreee :) | 06:11 |
| bullet` | flash is the one thing that i absolutely hate on my laptop | 06:12 |
| bullet` | on google chrome | 06:12 |
| bullet` | i wish | 06:12 |
| bullet` | there was righ click option .. "stop all flash animations on this page " | 06:12 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | I use it on chrome | 06:14 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | flashblock | 06:14 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | you don't even see the flash animations you don't want. | 06:14 |
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| pupnik | mae-moo | 06:39 |
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| crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: thanks | 06:47 |
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| jebba | is it possible to feed an rtsp://stream.foo.com/foo.sav URL to the media player? | 08:01 |
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| slingr | pew pewwww | 08:12 |
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| doc|home | slingr: my thoughts exactly | 08:20 |
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| opdf2 | do i need to run fmms in background to receive? | 08:40 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | Oh, dang | 08:52 |
| bullet` | what | 08:52 |
| bullet` | what happened | 08:52 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I was just stung by some wasp. | 08:52 |
| bullet` | tell | 08:52 |
| bullet` | quicl | 08:52 |
| bullet` | phew | 08:53 |
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| bullet` | i thought pr1.2 got delayed !! | 08:53 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I was going to get my N900 laser stand from the mailbox and there were some wasps there | 08:53 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | a wasp house | 08:53 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | btw, there are three small rubber wheels there... I don't know what they are for | 08:53 |
| bullet` | bad bad | 08:53 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it got delayed | 08:53 |
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| bullet` | u should clean that place from these creatures some how | 08:54 |
| bullet` | maybe the wasps were planted by iphone boys ! | 08:54 |
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| crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: there's a wasp house with 3 rubber wheels? | 08:56 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | lol | 08:56 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie, no, the 3 rubber wheels came with the laser-cut stand for the N900 | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | man, the pr1.2ities are getting crazy:P | 08:56 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHxqGvQho3o --> this one | 08:56 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it's 3 AM in the morning and I only noticed the envelope in the mailbox about twenty minutes ago | 08:57 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | :P | 08:57 |
| mece | it is quite sexy, that n900 stand | 08:57 |
| bullet` | cool | 08:58 |
| Chiku|dc | is there any script to run to detect my phone provider so I can connect it? | 08:59 |
| Chiku|dc | I need to reboot to get provider back | 08:59 |
| Chiku|dc | switch GSM or G3 doesn't redetect it | 09:00 |
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| Chiku|dc | or command | 09:02 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | command --> http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 09:02 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | it's here | 09:02 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | *it's there | 09:02 |
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| bullet` | ptl_demands_PR12, what is ptl ? | 09:02 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | the consonants of my nickname, "Patola". | 09:03 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | It might also mean Pepsi Twist Light, a soft drink I love. | 09:03 |
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| bullet` | aha | 09:04 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it's really meant only to look like an Unix command, or something unpronounceable. | 09:04 |
| bullet` | ok | 09:04 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | like ptl --force -i -o /home/user/MyDocs/picture.jpg -s 4 | 09:04 |
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| bullet` | hmm | 09:05 |
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| crashanddie | Here's a new rule for anyone: The next person to bash Apple/iPhone/iPad gets banned | 09:15 |
| bullet` | what ????? | 09:15 |
| bullet` | wait | 09:15 |
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| bullet` | WHAT !!!! | 09:15 |
| thresh | :O | 09:15 |
| crashanddie | TMO has become a iPad/Jobs/Apple bashing competition | 09:16 |
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| crashanddie | anyone who does the same here gets it | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: iPad is a walled garden and it's bad for consumers. | 09:16 |
| bullet` | noooo | 09:16 |
| bullet` | :) | 09:16 |
| bullet` | thats what i'm talking about | 09:16 |
| bullet` | free speech !!!!!!! yay !!!!!!! | 09:17 |
| bullet` | this forums will follow the GNU license :) | 09:17 |
| mece | how about sarcastic bashing? Then it's not really clear that it's actually bashing | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | bullet`: there's a difference between free speech and being lame | 09:17 |
| bullet` | yea | 09:17 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: it's fine to have your opinion, but there's no point in making 10 different threads about Apple on tmo | 09:17 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: just look at off-topic, it's fucking ridiculous | 09:17 |
| bullet` | for one person its free speech, for another its french and for yet another its lame | 09:17 |
| mece | the new iphone os multitasking is really flexible! | 09:17 |
| bullet` | it happens | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | also, don't start adding odd rules for people to comply by without at least a public disussion. and of course on tmo, but this isn't tmo | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:17 |
| bullet` | we just need to let that happen, atleast in the room here it can die quick | 09:18 |
| bullet` | in the forums it just goes on | 09:18 |
| crashanddie | I post one comment about flash, and I get trolled for being a "apple fanboi" | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: go support andrew's proposal on sane moderation then | 09:18 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: I just resigned from being a mod | 09:18 |
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| bullet` | crashanddie, off topic being off topic and ridiculous is ok | 09:19 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: no, it's not | 09:19 |
| bullet` | i think , modify the tmo to not include offtopic ?? | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, your methods are traditionally a bit heavy handed :P but tmo interface invites to this insanity too | 09:19 |
| bullet` | oops | 09:19 |
| bullet` | i mean in the "active topics" on the right of tmo, to not include stuff from offtopic | 09:19 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder if we can make a greasemonkey script that deletes offtopic threads from view | 09:20 |
| bullet` | that way useless threads pushing usefull threads down in will reduce | 09:20 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: yeah, I can have that done by tonight! | 09:20 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: I'm a long time greasemonkey user and scripter | 09:20 |
| mece | but I really want them removed from "Active Topics" | 09:20 |
| mece | really really | 09:20 |
| mece | really | 09:20 |
| crashanddie | mece: I think we got that | 09:21 |
| bullet` | i hate apple :p | 09:22 |
| bullet` | just couldnt resist saying it | 09:22 |
| bullet` | i hate microsoft more than apple !!! | 09:22 |
| bullet` | :) | 09:22 |
| bullet` | i'm feeling much better now | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | good for you, bullet` - now, what are your technical and organisational arguments for it? | 09:22 |
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| bullet` | well | 09:24 |
| bullet` | the way i have been able to observe | 09:24 |
| bullet` | microsoft first alright ? | 09:24 |
| bullet` | ok | 09:24 |
| bullet` | so | 09:24 |
| bullet` | umm | 09:24 |
| bullet` | there is one thing called copying. | 09:25 |
| bullet` | there is another thing called innovation | 09:25 |
| bullet` | and there is a 3rd thing called being-a-villaine :) | 09:25 |
| bullet` | microsoft was first innovative asi have read | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | right, what do you call what KDE and GNOME has done, copying or innovation? | 09:25 |
| bullet` | than it started copying and left innovation | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | like wazd said it: simpsons did it | 09:25 |
| bullet` | later :) | 09:25 |
| bullet` | those later | 09:26 |
| bullet` | and than | 09:26 |
| bullet` | ms | 09:26 |
| bullet` | came to the third level | 09:26 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: please stop using enter as punctuation | 09:26 |
| bullet` | being a villain | 09:26 |
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| bullet` | ok sorry | 09:26 |
| crashanddie | you're about this close |<---->| from getting quieted | 09:26 |
| crashanddie | (not to scale) | 09:26 |
| mece | crashanddie, omg wow! When did that happen? | 09:27 |
| mece | oh the latest iphone thread is in competitors. | 09:27 |
| bullet` | now, how do i call it being a villain? When it lost all innovation and the quality of recruits decreased from time to time, it became despearate to stop othres from getting ahead of it | 09:27 |
| bullet` | So, it started threatning companies using linux of ip infringements. | 09:28 |
| crashanddie | who did? | 09:28 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | It goes much deeper than that and I think most people here know some of it, bullet`. I think they're just testing you. | 09:29 |
| bullet` | What they did more, is started prasing the MONO hackers. When i used to be on the microsoft camp, i used to hear all the things from linux guys, | 09:29 |
| bullet` | that linux has so much innovation, like lets say from the programming/development point of view, yes linux is awesome | 09:30 |
| crashanddie | stop using "they" and make it clear who you're talking about -- you're not making any sense | 09:30 |
| mece | the villains? | 09:30 |
| mece | microsoft? | 09:30 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | They. The illuminatti. | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | bullet`: ok, so, you're a fanboy, we get it :P - now, this place is also about cooperation with companies having closed source | 09:30 |
| crashanddie | What is this, heroes? | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | bullet`: so extremist views doesn't always work out in practice :) | 09:31 |
| bullet` | when i moved to linux camps, only to discover, that some of the really famous guys (mono guys) declared a manifesto , that microsoft's CLI is really revolutionary and if we dont bring their technology to linux, we r doomed ! | 09:31 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Even historical opponents of the open-source crowd, Stskeeps? Is it possible to trust them? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | bullet`: how is this relevant to maemo? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:31 |
| bullet` | yea microsoft the villain guys :p | 09:31 |
| bullet` | who else | 09:31 |
| jX | Stskeeps: Extremist views are always right and if you disagree they'll kill you. | 09:31 |
| bullet` | the Evil Empire .. the Dark Force :) | 09:31 |
| mece | thats apple. | 09:31 |
| mece | :P | 09:31 |
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| jX | no, Apple is the Apprentice | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | jX: killing me doesn't make it their views right :P | 09:32 |
| mece | microsoft are humble these days afaict | 09:32 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | that's about everyone, but some are more successful in being evil than others. | 09:32 |
| jX | MS is the aging emperor soon to be overthrown. | 09:32 |
| crashanddie | mece: depends who you work with | 09:32 |
| jX | Stskeeps: it does if you can't disagree anymore. ;) | 09:32 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | jX, windows mobile 7 is using some of the same limitations as former Apple OS versions, like no multitasking | 09:32 |
| bullet` | umm its not relevant to maemo, these r just the reasons when i said at the start "i hate microsoft" :) | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | mmkay | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | now, on to another good topic | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | bacon. | 09:32 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | jX, so I think that to an extent, Apple went further in their villany than Microsof | 09:32 |
| jX | ptl_demands_PR12: I know, and no clipboard, no native apps, either | 09:33 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | *Microsoft | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | did anyone have bacon for breakfast? | 09:33 |
| mece | crashanddie, yeah sure. but apple has definately taken over the "asshat" badge from my pov. | 09:33 |
| bullet` | microsoft is humble ..u gotto be kidding me | 09:33 |
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| mece | ok perhaps not. humble-er :) | 09:33 |
| bullet` | they r those nice ppl who nice just bcuz things r not in their hands anymore, when the loose they r nice, otherwise they dont give a shit | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | bullet`: this isn't twitter, you can write full words | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:33 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | Stskeeps, too greasy, would make me become unable to finger-touch my iPhone and... Oh, wait. I have an N900 and I can use the stylus. | 09:33 |
| * Stskeeps gets bored and goes do real work | 09:34 | |
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| bef0rd | hey Stskeeps, just wondering, did you get any progress with the 3d video drivers for the n8x0? :D | 09:34 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | so I can eat bacon! | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | bef0rd: yes but not very usable ? | 09:34 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: you'll allowed to talk on this channela gain once you turn 13. | 09:34 |
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| Stskeeps | bef0rd: i haven't had time. maybe the meego n8x0 project will work with it | 09:34 |
| mece | crashanddie, that was not cool. | 09:35 |
| crashanddie | mece: ORLY? | 09:35 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | what about bacon? | 09:36 |
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| bef0rd | Stskeeps, oh that's cool, thanks. I have not been able to use the meego image creator, it fails to boot on vmware for me, some kernel panic. | 09:36 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | thanks, crashanddie | 09:36 |
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| Stskeeps | bef0rd: fedora, atom or core2 with ssse3? | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | i use it under fedora, works fine | 09:36 |
| mece | crashanddie, :) | 09:36 |
| mece | hey I managed to fix right-clivk in wesnoth. | 09:37 |
| mece | if anyone is interested. | 09:37 |
| crashanddie | tap-hold? | 09:37 |
| mece | ctrl-click | 09:37 |
| mece | dunno how to do tap-hold | 09:37 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | gimme gimme gimme | 09:37 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | where's the deb? :) | 09:37 |
| mece | waits | 09:37 |
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| mece | here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=601886&postcount=55 | 09:38 |
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| Stskeeps | crashanddie: speaking of rules though, any way we could set up a ruleset here so we have something to adhere to? | 09:38 |
| bef0rd | Stskeeps, yea fedora 12 under a vmware, mic seemed to work, however the vmdk that generated did not boot | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | bef0rd: ah, not surprised on that area | 09:38 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps: yeah, it's something I've been thinking about | 09:38 |
| mece | stskeeps, yeah! That would be good. | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | and 1. crashanddie is god is not a ruleset ;) | 09:38 |
| mece | LOL | 09:38 |
| crashanddie | 1. crashanddie is god is not a set rule? | 09:39 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: though, I really don't fancy becoming one of those: "PLEASE READ THE RULES BEFORE ASKING ANY QUESTIONS"-type of channels | 09:39 |
| bullet` | ?? | 09:39 |
| mece | bullet`, !! | 09:39 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: I removed your right to talk for a couple of minutes | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: of course not - i just dealt with some asshole-ish forum admins who didn't have a bit of flexibility | 09:39 |
| bullet` | what ??? | 09:39 |
| bullet` | y | 09:39 |
| bullet` | what did i do | 09:39 |
| crashanddie | mece: you explain | 09:40 |
| bullet` | someone aksed me something i replied thats all :) | 09:40 |
| bullet` | seriously | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | bullet`: your signal to noise ratio was too low | 09:40 |
| bullet` | flexibility is very imp | 09:40 |
| mece | I suggest a set of rules of what is not tolerated, that can be referred to to justify quieting and such. | 09:40 |
| bullet` | it ll get better sts | 09:40 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: I think the ops in this channel are pretty cool, we've rarely done anything that went against what the rest of the channel wanted, and even if we did, we usually repair our mistakes quickly afterwards | 09:41 |
| mece | ptl_demands_PR12, let me know if the wesnoth thing works for you. | 09:41 |
| bullet` | thats good crashanddie , u let me speak too ! | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: i'm actually wondering if we had any problems before except with bots | 09:41 |
| bullet` | |__|> coffee anyone ? | 09:41 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: well, we have the odd spammer | 09:42 |
| mece | ptl_demands_PR12, should not be a problem, but you never know. | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: i just see a lot more op-ups over discussion issues and that worries me | 09:42 |
| C-S-B | can someone remind me of the command to force a media indexing | 09:42 |
| bullet` | any of your guys running meego ? | 09:42 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: point taken | 09:42 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: there's not much to run | 09:42 |
| C-S-B | seems my n900 wants to ignore all the new tunes i just added. | 09:42 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | mece, k, thanks... I will experiment with it on my tv, I really love to use my TV set for that because I never watch tv programs and if it was not for the N900, it would become months without ever turning on | 09:42 |
| bullet` | yea i saw the screen shots | 09:43 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | C-S-B, tracker-processes -r | 09:43 |
| C-S-B | cheers | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: hence having rules to adhere to. a rule saying your signal to noise ratio should not be too low would be fine for me :P | 09:43 |
| C-S-B | any reason it does that? | 09:43 |
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| mece | ~curse docx format | 09:44 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, docx format ! | 09:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | yes, probably a bug that's solved in PR 1.2 (not kidding, it seems there are a couple of situations with that) | 09:44 |
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| mece | LOL that was silly you silly bot. | 09:44 |
| crashanddie | mece: sounds appropriate | 09:44 |
| LiraNuna | how do you guys debug your applications? | 09:44 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | ~bless N900's dbus | 09:44 |
| infobot | N900's dbus: Live long and prosper! \//, | 09:44 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: yeah, I'll draft something up and submit it for review | 09:44 |
| C-S-B | well when do i get my grubby mits on this infamous 1.2 update. >:( | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: sounds good | 09:45 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | hmmm, lots of data to install | 09:45 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | mece, it will take some time, my connection is quite lame | 09:46 |
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| Stskeeps | crashanddie: but with that said - greasemonkey script would be good :P | 09:46 |
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| LiraNuna | how can I debug my application? I cannot seem to run it in scratchbox | 09:46 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | greasemonkey rules, isn't it? It solved a lot of problems, I wish I knew more javascript. | 09:46 |
| jmc93739653 | mece: Nice re: right-click. I had Diablo running on top of a _slightly_ modified 0.10.z release of QEMU. Though the mouse cursor would vanish as soon as QEMU captured it. Subjectively, Diablo ran slower under emulation on a Intel C2D E8400, than it does natively. | 09:46 |
| mece | jmc93739653, que? | 09:47 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | LiraNuna, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Categories | 09:48 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | just a moment | 09:48 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | i'll switch from X-Chat to kvirc | 09:48 |
| * bef0rd checks application manager updates for n810 and crosses fingers | 09:48 | |
| LiraNuna | ptl_demands_PR12, well, that articles tells me what happens after the application is on the device | 09:49 |
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| LiraNuna | how can I execute the application on my device and capturing output to my computer? | 09:49 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | done :) | 09:49 |
| bef0rd | I believe there was an option for that on Eclipse | 09:50 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | LiraNuna: there's further detail here -- http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Debugging_Guide | 09:50 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | you want a tool like ddd or xxgdb? | 09:50 |
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| LiraNuna | I don't want to use scratchbox | 09:52 |
| LiraNuna | I want it to run directly on my N900, capturing stdout to my computer | 09:52 |
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| Appiah | try launching the application from a terminal then | 09:53 |
| LiraNuna | Appiah, ... | 09:53 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | yes... ssh is your friend | 09:53 |
| LiraNuna | Appiah, copying the application to the device | 09:53 |
| Appiah | ? | 09:53 |
| LiraNuna | and executing | 09:53 |
| LiraNuna | ptl_demands_PR12, sshing to the device isn't really "friendly" as user has unknown password | 09:54 |
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| LiraNuna | and I don't know if modifying it will break anything | 09:54 |
| Appiah | you are debugging | 09:54 |
| Appiah | thats so "friendly" with that? | 09:54 |
| Appiah | whats* | 09:54 |
| mece | is there some documentation on how to get a proper shortcut made for an application? Thought I might fix that wesnoth thing too while I'm at it. | 09:55 |
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| mece | the .desktop file goes somewhere I guess... | 09:55 |
| jmc93739653 | mece: You had mentioned fixing right-click in Wesnoth. I think I misread your comment. Wesnoth and/or SDL probably refuse to play nicely with Fremantle out-of-the-box. I assumed you were running code under emulation and were having issues with contextual-menus. | 09:55 |
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| mece | dunno, but the version mentioned works very well. It's modded somewhat I guess. I only did the rightclick thing. | 09:56 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | lindi-: it won't break anything, I modified mine | 09:57 |
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| mece | where are the icons stored on N900? | 10:14 |
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| wenkat | hi all, I have submitted a gsoc app, http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/private/google/gsoc2010/wenkat/t127074882770. Can any of you give me some pointers? | 10:15 |
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| LiraNuna | I am connected to my N900 via SSH but it's really slow | 10:16 |
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| silbo | link not found | 10:16 |
| LiraNuna | seems like network latency, but N900 reports full wifi | 10:17 |
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| crashanddie | LiraNuna: it's probably your router having issues with the N900's power saving features | 10:17 |
| LiraNuna | could SmartReflex be of a relation to it? | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | wenkat: we can't see the link | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | LiraNuna: considering I have no idea what SmartReflex is: yes | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: gsoc mentors can | 10:19 |
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| Stskeeps | wenkat: i'd give up on dropbox as they do not have armel version of their closed binaries | 10:19 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: "pffffffffffffffffffft" | 10:20 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: elitist | 10:20 |
| jacekowski | morning | 10:20 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: why can't we see it? CONSPIRACY! GOOGLE APOLOGIZERS | 10:20 |
| wenkat | crashanddie, http://207.154.39.28/html/gsoc.html | 10:20 |
| wenkat | i made my proposal public | 10:20 |
| wenkat | so thought everyone can view | 10:21 |
| crashanddie | wenkat: nice idea, shame for the spelling mistakes | 10:21 |
| mece | hey ok found the problem with wesnoth.desktop but where is it generated? is it in rules or what? because the "source" desktop file is not the same as the installed one. | 10:21 |
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| wenkat | Stskeeps, do I change the proposol and remove drop box from it? | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | wenkat: i would personally do that, as it is a impossibility to get dropbox to work sanely | 10:23 |
| wenkat | crashanddie, sorry for the mistakes. I do not think that will reduce my chance of getting soc | 10:23 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: what would you think of speedwriting contests/challenges? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | (even though it would be nice) | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | crashanddie: i make too many errors for speedwriting | 10:24 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: nha, not english -- apps | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | as in input methods? | 10:24 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: have the council, ever 2 or 3 weeks, put up a challenge/idea for an application | 10:25 |
| X-Fade | Morning. | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: i saw another concept the other day.. coding for charity | 10:25 |
| * Stskeeps might actually do something like that | 10:25 | |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: there's 30 days to complete the challenge, and then the app is reviewed based on specific criteria defined at the beginning of the contest | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: assumes we have a budget for that | 10:25 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: the winning app gets promoted on tmo, front page and downloads | 10:26 |
| wenkat | Stskeeps, I gave only 1 week for dropbox at the end. My main idea is to develop the crawling framework and ubuntu one | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | wenkat: what UI toolkit will you use? | 10:26 |
| wenkat | qt | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | good | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | pyside? | 10:26 |
| jacekowski | qt isn't a ui toolkit | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | whatever | 10:27 |
| jacekowski | it's a lot more | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | yada yada yada | 10:27 |
| wenkat | are there other apps for the same prj? | 10:27 |
| wenkat | i mean how many students applied for the same? | 10:28 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: can you tell what i've done wrong? | 10:28 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: NEEDINFO ;) | 10:29 |
| jacekowski | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/c/chromium/ | 10:29 |
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| jacekowski | it's here | 10:29 |
| jacekowski | but i can't see it anywhere in Packages | 10:29 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: ok, let me check. | 10:30 |
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| jacekowski | and if i'll send package that takes about 2-3h to build on my model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz | 10:31 |
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| jacekowski | with cpu-transparency enabled and etc. | 10:31 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Our builder is quite capable. | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | how long will it take to buld on autobuilder? | 10:31 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: Qt builds in 20 mins for example. | 10:31 |
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| crashanddie | jacekowski: 13 mins 21s 69ms | 10:32 |
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| wenkat | Stskeeps, I have changed the proposal without dropbox. Do you think qt is the best choice for ui? | 10:41 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Why didn't you add the build arch in the filename? | 10:42 |
| jacekowski | i didn't built package version as well | 10:43 |
| X-Fade | chromium-5.0.369.2.deb -> chromium-5.0.369.2_armel.deb | 10:44 |
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| jacekowski | and that's all? | 10:44 |
| X-Fade | ehm no. | 10:44 |
| X-Fade | It is even worse. | 10:44 |
| X-Fade | There needs to be an underscore between chromium and the version number. | 10:45 |
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| X-Fade | I'd recommend you to read up on debian packaging a bit, how did you manage to package this? | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: there isn't much info how to build binary packages | 10:46 |
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| jacekowski | i created couple files in debian subfolder and ran dpkg --build i think it was | 10:47 |
| X-Fade | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ | 10:47 |
| X-Fade | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging_quick_start_guide | 10:47 |
| flux | jacekowski, does it work?-) | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | content of a package works | 10:50 |
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| jacekowski | but the package itself is a disaster | 10:50 |
| flux | well, it doesn't seem to overwrite essential files.. | 10:50 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: so it's fubar? | 10:55 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: Broken in this state, yes. Fubar, no. | 10:56 |
| mece | hey about debian stuff.. dh_make -e <my email address> -f ../rot13-0.1.tar.gz -c GPL creates new debian stuff.. how about if I just want to update it and add a new version. How do I do that? | 10:56 |
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| flux | apparently it does work (modulo the packaging issues), but unfortunately not very useful before it gets kinetic scrolling | 10:57 |
| flux | or the scroll bar gets a lot bigger :) | 10:57 |
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| mece | bleh I manually modified the changelog file. Quite a hazzle actually. It's very specific. | 10:59 |
| jacekowski | mece: dch helps | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/iphone_agreement_bans_flash_compiler (read the terms) | 11:00 |
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| mece | jacekowsky, just dch? | 11:03 |
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| X-Fade | mece: apt-get install devscripts | 11:04 |
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| mece | X-Fade, thanks | 11:04 |
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| jacekowski | i've just noticed another fail | 11:19 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: there is another chromium package in repository with something completly different | 11:19 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:23 |
| noobmonk3y | mornin | 11:25 |
| bullet` | morning! | 11:26 |
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| mece | interesting.. the auto optify thing moved the desktop file to /opt/maemo/usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 11:29 |
| mece | how does one bypass that problem? | 11:29 |
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| BusterB | mmm n900 | 11:31 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: can you delete libxss from repo? | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Let me remove both broken packages from non-free. | 11:40 |
| mece | is optification done before or after postinst? | 11:41 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Did you upload anything else? | 11:41 |
| mece | autooptification that is | 11:41 |
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| jacekowski | nothing | 11:42 |
| jacekowski | i'm about to upload proper libxss | 11:42 |
| jacekowski | to free | 11:43 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: removed it from the origin, will take a while for it to be visible. | 11:44 |
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| Treibholz | how do I restart pulse-audio? | 12:17 |
| Treibholz | the init-script is missing. | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | Treibholz: initctl stop pulseaudio ? | 12:17 |
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| Treibholz | thanks | 12:18 |
| Treibholz | X-Fade: I'm playing around with priorities | 12:18 |
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| Treibholz | the default seems not to be very cool | 12:18 |
| Treibholz | audio often cracks while browsing. | 12:19 |
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| crashanddie | anyone used pyside? | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: ? | 12:27 |
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| crashanddie | X-Fade: what's this: http://62.61.85.167/ ? | 12:30 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Some old old test machine. But that was basically the first maemo.org site :) | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: it still provides some seriously old documentation on there | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: and google indexes it | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: looked kinda good | 12:31 |
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| mece | gaddammit deb packaging gives me a headache. | 12:34 |
| lcuk | mece, try childbirth - i hear its relaxing in comparison | 12:34 |
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| jacekowski | where are builder logs? | 12:37 |
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| * crashanddie waves at lcuk | 12:38 | |
| lcuk | hey seb \o | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: You should receive a mail and there is: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-April/date.html#end | 12:40 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: looks like libxss built just fine. | 12:40 |
| jacekowski | yeah, that was simple | 12:42 |
| jacekowski | chromium will be more fun | 12:42 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | has anyone done the share to ftp thing yet? for pics | 12:46 |
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| crashanddie | there's a share to ftp? | 12:47 |
| nidO | theres one in ovi store, its crap though | 12:48 |
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| nidO | its just a pixelpipe plugin and your uploads have to go through their service | 12:48 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: are there python bindings for liqbase? | 12:52 |
| * crashanddie goes to grab food | 12:54 | |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i did once do that | 12:54 |
| lcuk | but i went another method | 12:55 |
| lcuk | because it wasnt ideal - im "testing" something at the moment | 12:55 |
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| crashanddie | is it going to make me go "oooooh" | 12:55 |
| hrw | morning | 12:55 |
| crashanddie | ? | 12:55 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, at the moment, no but it made me oooooh :) | 12:57 |
| hrw | november still? | 12:57 |
| petteri | jacekowski: how to chormium build. Is it usable on the device? | 12:58 |
| lcuk | think its been pushed back to pumpkin, sorry hrw | 12:58 |
| jacekowski | petteri: sort of | 12:58 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski.org/maemo/ | 12:58 |
| jacekowski | you can use libxss from extras-devel | 12:58 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: how i should deal with issue that there is other package in repository that's called chromium? | 12:59 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: change my name to chromium-browser? | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: sue them | 13:00 |
| petteri | jacekowski: ok. I'll try it in couple of hours. I was also trying to build chromium couple of weeks ago, but got stuck in always in somewhere, and finally gave up. Nice to see someone is making it | 13:00 |
| crashanddie | trademark infringement | 13:00 |
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| jacekowski | i'll have to get my pgp key out of my old hdd as well | 13:01 |
| jacekowski | to sign these packages at some point | 13:02 |
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| mece | chromium is the browser, right.. so is google (or whoever made chromium) infringing on the periodic table or what? | 13:08 |
| mece | bleh | 13:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is chromium a trademark? | 13:12 |
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| Clickety | its a metal, as far as i know | 13:13 |
| Arkenoi | i guess chromium game predates chromium browser a decade or so | 13:13 |
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| RichardP | whats the best ereader for Maemo? | 13:13 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: Where do you see a chromium package? | 13:14 |
| SpeedEvil | RichardP: I've read a couple of dozeb books on fbreader | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | RichardP: works for me | 13:15 |
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| dtg666 | hi, does anyone know how to prevent sygic from turning off the gps when having the screen locked? | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | dtg666: there is the stupid solution. | 13:16 |
| lcuk | dtg666, isnt it a paid app - ie do you have support with them | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | dtg666: gps-logger-widget | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | or that, yes | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | but if you have another GPS customer, then it won't be used | 13:17 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 13:17 |
| SpeedEvil | turend off | 13:17 |
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| RichardP | SpeedEvil: cheers | 13:18 |
| dtg666 | thanks speedevil | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | there are a couple of issues with fbreader, but nothing very serious. | 13:19 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, if it's in one of the two inverted orientations, the 'back to menu' button pops up at the top left or top right of a page | 13:19 |
| SpeedEvil | but this is minor | 13:20 |
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| crashanddie | what would be the easiest and quickest way to draw 6 circles (buttons) full screen in python? | 14:12 |
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| crashanddie | no user interaction required, 1 hz refresh rate | 14:13 |
| mece | It's not just you! http://talk.maemo.org looks down from here. | 14:14 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, are you looking in my graffiti wall :p | 14:14 |
| lcuk | i have many things which look like that | 14:14 |
| crashanddie | nope | 14:14 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: did you see the binary clock thread? Just want to complete that | 14:15 |
| crashanddie | or maybe as a widget? | 14:15 |
| lcuk | cool | 14:15 |
| lcuk | theres a great bunch of pyqt stuff inside healthcheck | 14:16 |
| mece | crashanddie, I guess a cairo area.. in a gtk.Window | 14:16 |
| lcuk | install on your machine, find some of the interesting visual stuff | 14:16 |
| lcuk | and use it | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | did it in console, don't think it answers the OPs guy | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | s/guy/question/ | 14:16 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: did it in console, don't think it answers the OPs question | 14:16 |
| lcuk | qpainter is the class you might want - tho for buttons, you might want proper widgets | 14:16 |
| pupnik | n900 "Internet Connection" widget/applet needs connection stats. Data, rate, signal strength | 14:17 |
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| mece | rumor of jacekowski's greatness spreads on twitter :) | 14:18 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: do you use pyqt or pyside? | 14:21 |
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| lcuk | i dont use either yet, tho i tihnk this code is pyqt | 14:21 |
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| Arkenoi | seems that some packages in the repositories are already built for PR1.2 (newer qt and libhildon than are available on the device) | 14:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | pyqt and pyside are compatible apart from the qtmaemo5 package. | 14:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | only different imports | 14:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | or lets say "pretty much" code-compatible. the widgets look slightly different at times whereas pyside looks nicer for the n900. | 14:31 |
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| thresh | Arkenoi: they are indeed | 14:36 |
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| Treibholz | hmm, x2x would be great on the n900 | 14:41 |
| ShadowJK | synergy | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | look what i've found in my server logs http://www.mobile4arab.com/vb/showthread.php?t=730608 | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | and of course... no mention of who did it... | 14:45 |
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| jacekowski | at least they link to my server | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | wow the mods on that site suck | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski:/var/www/maemo# cat /var/log/apache2/access.log | grep chromium |wc -l | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | 270 | 14:47 |
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| MohammadAG | instead of asking him to add a source they thank him m/ | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 14:47 |
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| jacekowski | do you understand the language | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 14:48 |
| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: x2x works. | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | it's arabic | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | i know | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | but i don't speak arabic | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | i do :) | 14:48 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: is there a package? | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | allah akbar | 14:48 |
| ech0Asus | is there a free way to send SMS to phones via internet on the n900? | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | that's only thing i can say in arabic | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | and i've probably speled it wrong | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | nah you spelled it right :p | 14:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: ah. you mean "that" way around. not that I know of. but you can run ssh -X yourname@yourdesktop 'x2x -west -from :0' | 14:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: so you can use your desktop mouse and keyboard on the n900. | 14:49 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: I meant the other way! | 14:51 |
| Treibholz | :-) | 14:51 |
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| jacekowski | Treibholz: bluemaemo? | 14:51 |
| paul98 | is there vnc server for the phone i know we have viewer? | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | x11vnc | 14:51 |
| paul98 | thats the one ;) ty | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | compiling perl took a lot of time on my i5 | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | good thing i cancelled it on the centrino laptop lol | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | np paul98 | 14:52 |
| * nidO hugs i7 lovelyness | 14:52 | |
| jacekowski | http://www.myphone.gr/forum/showthread.php?p=3142770 | 14:53 |
| jacekowski | something from greece | 14:53 |
| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: that would be interesting. why not make a package? I doubt it's impossible | 14:53 |
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| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: yes, should be easy. | 14:54 |
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| nidO | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/09/plywood_cheque/ | 14:56 |
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| nidO | well worth a read | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: there's nothing limiting you from the N900's side | 14:57 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: but first I want to tinker a CalDAV-sync. | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: but you'll need a provider who offers such a service | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: compilation typically uses a single core | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: so yeah, there's a good chance it'd be slow on a i5 | 14:58 |
| paul98 | oh didn't think vnc would work like that lol | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, well 2.8 is better than 1.7GHz :) | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, any way to make it use all 4? (/me assumes the answer is no) | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: not that I'm aware of | 14:59 |
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| MohammadAG | is perl in extras-devel? | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG | actually nvm that, can perl be installed since perl-modules is missing? | 15:01 |
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| satmd | erm | 15:02 |
| satmd | make -j <number of cores+1> | 15:02 |
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| satmd | compiling is something that can be done massively in parallel | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 15:03 |
| Treibholz | especially the c++-stuff | 15:03 |
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| crashanddie | why the c++ stuff more than c? | 15:04 |
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| satmd | dunno | 15:04 |
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| crashanddie | sounds like a pretty stupid argument | 15:04 |
| satmd | perhaps since stuff is spread over more fules | 15:04 |
| satmd | *files | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | that really just depends on the coding standard | 15:05 |
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| crashanddie | it's not java, you can have 5 billion classes in one file | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as you have >>1 file, it doesn't matter, no? | 15:05 |
| Treibholz | good question, just out of experience. | 15:05 |
| Treibholz | c-stuff often broke | 15:05 |
| lcuk | crashanddie coding standard: one file for everything! no indenting (for wussies) use single characters for global variables etc ;) | 15:05 |
| wall[e] | hi, can someone help me installing graphicsmagick on n900? | 15:05 |
| Treibholz | e.g. the kernel couldn't be built with -j for a long time. | 15:06 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: what's wrong with that? | 15:06 |
| wall[e] | thi's from http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/graphicsmagick/ but I don't know how to install it, do i need to rebuild the deb? | 15:06 |
| crashanddie | Treibholz: actually, it could be built, just not linked | 15:06 |
| Treibholz | on the other hand c++ takes often so much longer than c.... | 15:06 |
| wall[e] | or any similar tool so i can process image? | 15:06 |
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| Treibholz | building webkit took ages on my core2duo 2.4 and ate all my 2GiB RAM | 15:07 |
| * MohammadAG uploaded perl-modules into non-free | 15:07 | |
| MohammadAG | i'll most probably get sued, but i still can't figure out how to optify it from the source... | 15:08 |
| jacekowski | http://forum.hardware.fr/forum2.php?config=hfr.inc&cat=23&su | 15:08 |
| jacekowski | bcat=510&post=20463&page=287&p=1&sondage=0&owntopic=1&trash=0&trash_post=0&print=0&numreponse=0"e_only=0&new=0&nojs=0 | 15:08 |
| jacekowski | something from france | 15:08 |
| derf | Compiling C++ is really hard. | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: main(h,m)char**m;{for(time(*m);h/=2;)m[4][m[h][h[(int*)localtime(*m)]]]=m[3][h];puts(m[4]);} | 15:08 |
| derf | Something about the language not actually being decidable. | 15:09 |
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| derf | And also that half the code is in the headers. | 15:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer off for fetching an Aspirin | 15:09 | |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: main(){int x=3,n,m=2,*t,*a,*b=0;while(b?o:((*(t=b=(int*)malloc(o))=2),a=t+1,o))n=*b,n>=m?c:x%n?(int)b++:N);} | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF? | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | my Aspirin stash is limited | 15:11 |
| ShadowJK | That first one looks like segfault | 15:11 |
| satmd | webkit DOES use a lot of c++ functionality | 15:12 |
| satmd | the goal is not a fast compile | 15:12 |
| satmd | but a fast result | 15:12 |
| satmd | and optimization of compilation takes its toll with webkit | 15:12 |
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| Treibholz | as long as there is no adblock plus for a webkit-browser... | 15:13 |
| Treibholz | and on the desktop I need vimperator. | 15:13 |
| wall[e] | if i want to build a package should I build it in n900 or should i cross compile it from a gnu/linux machine? | 15:14 |
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| crashanddie | wall[e]: the easiest solution is to use a virtual machine -- in case you don't have a debian-based Linux installation available | 15:14 |
| wall[e] | crashanddie, I have ubuntu here. | 15:14 |
| Zahra | does anybody know how can I change Nolo configuration? | 15:14 |
| crashanddie | wall[e]: then just install the SDK (Scratchbox + binaries). It will provide you with a terminal that runs through qemu (and hence is ARM compatible) | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | Zahra: what are you trying to accomplish? | 15:15 |
| wall[e] | crashanddie, I just want to build this graphicsmagick thing, it's in os 2008. | 15:15 |
| wall[e] | crashanddie, ok, thanks, the one in .py? | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 15:15 |
| Zahra | Stskeeps: dual boot maemo with another OS | 15:15 |
| wall[e] | crashanddie, http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html | 15:15 |
| wall[e] | i click on gui install and it gave me a .py to download | 15:16 |
| wall[e] | i didn't check the python code what it did, will it download things for me? | 15:16 |
| Treibholz | yes. | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | wall[e]: no, maemo 5 sdk is for the N900 | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | wall[e]: you need the maemo 4 SDK | 15:16 |
| wall[e] | crashanddie, I am using n900 here? | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | wall[e]: my bad, you mentionned OS2008, so I thought you had an n8x0 | 15:17 |
| wall[e] | or i still need maemo 4 sdk so i can build thing on pc ubuntu? | 15:17 |
| wall[e] | ah i see, there's a graphicsmagick in os2008 | 15:17 |
| wall[e] | but i can't get the deb | 15:17 |
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| wall[e] | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/graphicsmagick/ | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - another app where 125MHz mode would be good. FMRadio | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | fair enough, wall[e], go for the python script for the maemo 5 sdk | 15:18 |
| wall[e] | crashanddie, ok, thanks a lot. | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | (it keeps the cpu active 100% of the time) | 15:19 |
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| wall[e] | btw, anyone interested in gnustep? | 15:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Is that like a open-source dance dance revolution clone? | 15:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Using the camera to point at your feet? | 15:22 |
| wall[e] | i think it's py dance dance something? | 15:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Zahra: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372885&postcount=22 | 15:25 |
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| jacekowski | i'm just thinking how big potential of infecting thousands of n900 with virus that sort of package has | 15:28 |
| wall[e] | while i am downloading, there's any software comparable to imagemagick for n900? | 15:28 |
| wall[e] | is there* | 15:29 |
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| wall[e] | how do you fake soft filter w/o such softwares? | 15:29 |
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| joker_89 | hi | 15:30 |
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| joker_89 | anyone knows the concepts of syncml spects? | 15:31 |
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| Zahra | DocScrutinizer: tnx, but in my N900 dpkg -s getbootstate shows 1.0.38+0m5 | 15:32 |
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| wall[e] | will there be a community effort to keep backporting meego's rpm to deb? | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Zahra: I guess that's a '>=' requirement | 15:36 |
| Zahra | & maybe it works only on same version | 15:37 |
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| paul___ | can u stop the n900 from shutting down e.g going into sleep mode? | 15:55 |
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| fabinader | Hi, anyone here has experience compiling custom Maemo kernels for N900? I'm with a little problem using dpkg-buildpackage.... | 15:58 |
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| MiXu- | paul___: You mean so that the display would remain on all the time? | 15:59 |
| paul___ | yer | 15:59 |
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| paul___ | as vnc viewer don't like it, it turns it off as phont not active | 15:59 |
| MiXu- | Plug in the charger and set check your display settings. There's something like "keep display on when charging" | 16:00 |
| paul___ | good man :) | 16:00 |
| paul___ | vnc nice needs some work though | 16:00 |
| fabinader | We're implementing a DSMIPv6 client (RFC 5555) for N900, and as result we needed to update XFRM transofrmation rules inside the kernel... When we compile using make evetything is compiled OK, but when we use dpkg-buildpackage (in order to generate the .deb files for kernel installation), it uses the rx51_defconfig instead of my .config file, and as result it is failing to compile my changes on the kernel... What kind of configur | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | What kind of configur trunc | 16:02 |
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| Stskeeps | fabinader: look at debian/rules and it's quite clear | 16:02 |
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| fabinader | Stskeeps: is there an automatic way for updating this debian/rules based on my .config? | 16:03 |
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| paul___ | MiXu-: is there anything like ebuddy for the n900 | 16:04 |
| X1938 | Hello! | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | paul___, Conversations :) | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | fabinader: debian/rules contains what config it uses | 16:04 |
| MiXu- | paul___: what's ebuddy? | 16:04 |
| X1938 | paul___ : what do you mean ? pidgin works a lot better than ebuddy | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | MiXu-, it's like pidgin | 16:05 |
| MiXu- | ah | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | or telepathy | 16:05 |
| MiXu- | N900 has plenty of IM plugins in the extras repository. Take your pick on the protocol. | 16:05 |
| fabinader | Stskeeps: I already tried replacing rx51_defconfig with my custom .config, but the compilation failed again... I mean, is it enougth? Do I have to include a lot of disabled modules (e.g. IPv6, Nat, XFRM, crypto algorithms, etc), I wouldn't know where to start, e.g. do I need to include e.g. new items on INCLUDE_HEADERS? | 16:06 |
| X1938 | perhaps s/he's looking for an IM that supports wap. | 16:06 |
| X1938 | i dont think you'll find such a thing. | 16:06 |
| MiXu- | wap? | 16:06 |
| MiXu- | :D | 16:06 |
| MiXu- | I know what it is, I just can't think of a reason why one would want that | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | fabinader: did you look at debian/rules? add your config in arch/arm/configs and then point to it in debian/rules | 16:06 |
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| fabinader | Stskeeps: yes, I've already done that... What I've tried before was replacing arch/arms/config/rx51_defconfig with my .config... But I'll try instead modifying DEFCONFIG directly on debian/rules... | 16:08 |
| X1938 | MiXu- : if for example, s/he lives someplace in the middle east where they still provide wap services he would need it. | 16:08 |
| MiXu- | oh, ok :) | 16:08 |
| X1938 | thats because pidgin or any other application that creates a direct connection wouldnt work | 16:08 |
| X1938 | :) | 16:09 |
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| Stskeeps | lo FatalSaint | 16:09 |
| fabinader | Stskeeps: OK, same error... I think it is not enough replacing the configuration file... | 16:10 |
| FatalSaint | morning skeeps | 16:10 |
| ech0Asus | anyone set up gvmax? | 16:10 |
| X1938 | anyone here got navit working with garmin maps? | 16:11 |
| X1938 | i seem to have got everything working yet the map i have must be locked. | 16:11 |
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| X1938 | "garmin.c:811:1|:Can no find data for area: 23412323.000000...." | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | chromium isn't in devel anymore? | 16:12 |
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| fabinader | Stskeeps: the error is "net/xfrm/xfrm_policy.c:2311: error: 'struct net' has no member named 'ipv6'", which is a clear indication of missing includes... Right? | 16:15 |
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| fabinader | Stskeeps: This error doesn't appear when I do regular "make" instead of dpkg-buildpackage.... | 16:15 |
| marcus__ | Anyone know how to do the Æ button in SDL? on my maemo keyboard i have the "æ" button, and can't seem to find out what the SDLK code is for that. | 16:16 |
| ech0Asus | anyone have a google voice account? i want an invite :( | 16:17 |
| areay | hi everyone... my n900's broken. i have no space in rootfs, my application manager says 'operation failed' when i open it, my media player says 'no songs' and 'no videos' when i press the relevent buttons, and the internet radio button does nothing... everything else is working ok tho, except for it being generally slow... do i need to reflash, or can i save it? | 16:17 |
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| ech0Asus | uninstall some stuff maybe? | 16:18 |
| MiXu- | Try freeing space on rootfs | 16:18 |
| areay | i cant uninstall using the app manager, should i use aptitude/apt-get? | 16:19 |
| MiXu- | yes | 16:19 |
| mikki-kun | hi uhm, can somebody tell me what the PW of my N900 is when trying to connect via SSH? | 16:20 |
| areay | ok cool... i know reflashing is easy, but i'd rather figure the problem out | 16:20 |
| areay | mikki-kun you set it when you install the openssh server | 16:20 |
| ech0Asus | can you SMS with Skype on the n900? | 16:20 |
| Arkenoi | how to install qt4.6.2? | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | does the N900 even have aptitude | 16:20 |
| lcuk | it has attitude | 16:20 |
| areay | MohammadAG no but it should | 16:21 |
| ech0Asus | apt-get only i believe | 16:21 |
| mikki-kun | areay: uhm, i installed it, but it didn't ask for a PW afair... can i also set it up now? | 16:21 |
| lcuk | areay in the unlikely event apt doesnt work, just go find some random large files you dont use from around and have a mini clear out | 16:21 |
| * MohammadAG starts porting aptitude | 16:21 | |
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| lcuk | mikki-kun, sure, login as root and change its password the normal linux way | 16:21 |
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| areay | thanks lcuk | 16:22 |
| areay | MohammadAG really? sweet | 16:22 |
| mikki-kun | hm... changing my user-pw won't interfere with the usage of the device? cool, didn't know that | 16:22 |
| dmj726_n9001 | I just submitted my gsoc proposal. | 16:23 |
| areay | mikki-kun i think you have to ssh as root | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | areay, i'll try, hope it doesn't have a lot of dependencies | 16:23 |
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| lcuk | mikki-kun, i never said that | 16:23 |
| mikki-kun | hu? *confused* | 16:23 |
| lcuk | ive seen people change user password | 16:23 |
| lcuk | but its not quite so simple afaik | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, it doesn't affect it a lot | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | (actually, it didn't do anything for me) | 16:23 |
| lcuk | i know MohammadAG but its not just a call to passwd | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | passwd user | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | err | 16:24 |
| lcuk | you have to set something else dont you | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | that's what I did | 16:24 |
| lcuk | perhaps it is and im just mistaken | 16:24 |
| marcus__ | Anyone know how to do SDLK_æ? I need it for controlling on the scandinavian keyboard | 16:24 |
| mikki-kun | well, if it doesn't interfere then i'll d it | 16:24 |
| mikki-kun | *do | 16:24 |
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| lcuk | areay, i find commands like: du -s /usr/share/*|sort -n | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, well my N900 allows sudo for all commands, so i'm not sure if that has sth to do with it | 16:24 |
| mikki-kun | was just afraid that i end up with a non-booting n900 as the pw isn't anymore the same | 16:24 |
| lcuk | to be good at spotting where space is used | 16:24 |
| lcuk | mikki-kun, user doesnt have a passwd set afaik or something daft like that | 16:25 |
| areay | awesome i'll try that lcuk | 16:25 |
| lcuk | or its one of them that doesnt | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | Fixed frozen-bubble, it should be installable now | 16:25 |
| mikki-kun | and uhm, what all is actually "flashed" when i flash my n900? i suppose a flashing would be smart for me as my n900 is sometimes pretty lame | 16:25 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | lcuk: when I change the 'user' password, I did just that as root: passwd user<enter>new password<enter>new password<enter> and that was it | 16:25 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | s/I changed/ | 16:25 |
| lcuk | ptl_demands_PR12, cool | 16:26 |
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| lcuk | well i will know for next time | 16:26 |
| * lcuk gets back to work | 16:26 | |
| mikki-kun | will i e.g. loose my sms-chat history? | 16:26 |
| crashanddie | LOSE | 16:26 |
| lcuk | he meant loosen | 16:27 |
| lcuk | hes rather uptight with his texting | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | the only loose thing here is your understanding of the English language. | 16:27 |
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| mikki-kun | sorry, sometimes i mix up a few words ;/ | 16:27 |
| mikki-kun | but thanks for correcting it | 16:28 |
| X1938 | possible to unlock an .img garmin map to be used with navit ? | 16:28 |
| X1938 | :) | 16:28 |
| mikki-kun | w00t? max of 8 chars for a pw?! | 16:29 |
| mikki-kun | omg | 16:30 |
| w00t_ | hm? | 16:30 |
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| mikki-kun | ohhh, sorry, didn't know somebody goes here by that name ^^ | 16:30 |
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| w00t_ | lol | 16:30 |
| Appiah | haha | 16:31 |
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| mikki-kun | yay \o/ ssh'ing worked ^^ | 16:32 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | funny thing about ssh in the N900 | 16:32 |
| marcus__ | Noone knows how to do SDLK_Æ in developing ? (: | 16:32 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | all apps seem hardwired to go to :2.0 | 16:32 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | you don't need to modify the DISPLAY variável or something | 16:32 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | what SDLK? | 16:32 |
| lindi- | ptl_demands_PR12: maybe DISPLAY is set in /etc/profile or something? sounds very unlikely that the apps have been modified | 16:33 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | *what's SDLK? | 16:33 |
| andrewfblack | can't figure out why my n900 is using so much resources not doing anything on it | 16:33 |
| Shapeshifter | andrewfblack: htop | 16:33 |
| marcus__ | ptl_demands_PR12: It's SDL keyboard events. Im programming a snake game for my n900 | 16:33 |
| Anss| | marcus__, alt+165 :) | 16:33 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | [user@n900 user]% grep DISPLAY /etc/profile | 16:33 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | [user@n900 user]% | 16:33 |
| lindi- | ptl_demands_PR12: echo $DISPLAY? | 16:33 |
| andrewfblack | Shapeshifter: yeah I'm looking at it now | 16:34 |
| marcus__ | Anss|: And how would that be possible on an SDLK event? :P | 16:34 |
| marcus__ | Something according to the lines: case SDLK_Æ: (except Æ doesn't work ofc) | 16:34 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | [patola@ubuntola patola]% ssh user@10.0.1.100 -X | 16:35 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | [user@n900 user]% echo $DISPLAY | 16:35 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | :0.0 | 16:35 |
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| X1938 | so no guru has yet to unlock these garmin img files ? | 16:35 |
| X1938 | tsk tsk | 16:35 |
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| Anss| | marcus__, i think (assume) that 8 bit keywords are not supported in c++ :) | 16:35 |
| Anss| | or def names | 16:36 |
| lindi- | ptl_demands_PR12: -X should forward it to your desktop? | 16:36 |
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| lindi- | ptl_demands_PR12: but yeah, can't debug much without the system :) | 16:37 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | lindi-: yes, and it should open a tunnel setting DISPLAY to something like :10.0 or :11.0 -- but even if I set it manually, it doesn't work | 16:37 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | s/latop/laptop/ | 16:37 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | so I can't export windows from my N900 to may latop | 16:37 |
| lindi- | ptl_demands_PR12: it probably lacks xauth | 16:37 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | no, the port isn't even open. | 16:38 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I could install xauth | 16:38 |
| mece | hey, wyciwyg://n/http://annoyingsite.com doesn't seem to work... | 16:38 |
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| mece | on N900 | 16:38 |
| mikki-kun | how can i get my n900 to factory defaults? also in respect of the whole filesystems | 16:38 |
| zash | mikki-kun: flash it? | 16:39 |
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| mikki-kun | flashing also affects other partitions than the rootfs? | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | if you flash the emmc image then yes | 16:41 |
| mikki-kun | so it's not only the small rootfs i am flashing... good to know :) | 16:41 |
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| mikki-kun | i was told it only affects the rootfs | 16:42 |
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| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, you need to flash both images | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | the fiasco image which contains more than the rootfs files (NOLO, xloader etc) | 16:45 |
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| jacekowski | lvm would be nice | 16:45 |
| mikki-kun | NOLO == bootloader? | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | and the eMMC which flashes the 32GB drive | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 16:45 |
| mikki-kun | never heard of that one | 16:46 |
| mikki-kun | hm, in the wiki is a guide i suppose | 16:46 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | a guide, not a roadmap | 16:46 |
| mikki-kun | 3.5 is the most up to date flasher? | 16:47 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | as is common with open-source projects, there is information scattered all over the place, done by voluntary work | 16:47 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | so you have to find your own way around that | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, flasher is closed :P | 16:47 |
| mikki-kun | closed?! Ö.ö | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | closed source... | 16:47 |
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| mikki-kun | i got that... just do i wanna use closed source apps? ^^ | 16:48 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: I understand that, what I mean is for the guide and such | 16:48 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | mikki-kun: the N900 / maemo environment has many things that are open source, but some of them are closed too. | 16:49 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | mikki-kun: hopefully this will change a bit with meego. Hopefully! | 16:49 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | Do not expect miracles, though. I don't think Nokia will release the battery driver source code. | 16:50 |
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| mikki-kun | well, i try to minimize my closed source usage | 16:50 |
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| mikki-kun | have been using linux myself for now close to 2 years | 16:50 |
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| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, one question, why is the battery driver closed? | 16:51 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | I don't have the slightest idea, MohammadAG. :) | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 16:52 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | I just know that Nokia has a great deal on keeping it closed. | 16:52 |
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| mikki-kun | are there actually any news for meego on the n900 as a main os? i just heard it being some sort of "side product" until now. maybe you know more | 16:55 |
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| Shapeshifter | mikki-kun: never gonna happen | 16:55 |
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| mikki-kun | hmmmm, when will they then be using meego? maemo 6.0 will be for the next device... | 16:56 |
| mikki-kun | i mean, symbian^3 will be out soon as well | 16:57 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | maemo 6 (harmattan) will probably be a meego OS | 16:57 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I mean, it will be meego-i-fied | 16:57 |
| mikki-kun | ok, good point there | 16:57 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | about Meego on the N900 | 16:58 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | yes, you can install it | 16:58 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | but it's very crude right now. No apps. | 16:58 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Only X with a terminal. | 16:58 |
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| mikki-kun | hopefully the next device won't be too far away from the n900 in the hardware specs | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there an easy dual-boot meego solution/ | 16:58 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | there are news about it all over the place | 16:58 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, chroot, but it's not exactly dual booting | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil_ | k | 16:59 |
| mikki-kun | that i heard it being just an X term until now... was just curious where the development goes | 16:59 |
| Treibholz | ash is not loading ~/.ashrc... | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil_ | I was ondering from a comp.aring powersave modes pov | 16:59 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | and use an external MMC | 17:01 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | SpeedEvil: you can use bootmenu, can't you? | 17:01 |
| mikki-kun | what is actually a warm, and what a cold flash? | 17:01 |
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| mikki-kun | once you do it in the desert, the other time in the fridge? ^^ | 17:02 |
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| Stskeeps | lo orbarron | 17:04 |
| orbarron | gm Stskeeps | 17:05 |
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| FlavioFerreiraBR | The gsoc deadline time is 19:00 UTC . To convert to time of your country use: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html | 17:07 |
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| * jeez_ wonders about when PR 1.2 is coming out... | 17:09 | |
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| Surfa | comes when it's ready | 17:10 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | that's never. | 17:11 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | so, release it. :) | 17:11 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | how about we change that? it comes when WE are ready. | 17:11 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I am ready. | 17:11 |
| lcuk | are you sure? | 17:12 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | definitely | 17:12 |
| javispedro | moo | 17:12 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it might brick my device and break its screen, but at least the wait is over | 17:12 |
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| mikki-kun | lol | 17:12 |
| mikki-kun | so you wanna go bleeding edge then? | 17:13 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | No | 17:14 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | PR1.2 is not bleeding edge | 17:14 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it's quite the opposite, it seems | 17:14 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it's old code. | 17:14 |
| jacekowski | in new package | 17:14 |
| mikki-kun | in which way? | 17:14 |
| hrw|gone | mikki-kun: nokia do development. at one time they decide: this will be code for users and branch it. | 17:15 |
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| hrw | mikki-kun: then they work on branch to make it work properly, then do certifications etc etc etc | 17:15 |
| hrw | mikki-kun: then they forget about it | 17:15 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | mikki-kun: I've been discussing this too many times here, I have almost been banned already. My point is: it's taking too long, they released PR1.2 to the SDK a month ago, and updated the autobuilder, many apps are breaking because PR1.2 hasn't been released, and there are many bad effects of this delay. | 17:16 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh, now i see | 17:17 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | mikki-kun: it is possible that there are many application releases that are holding back due to PR1.2 being delayed | 17:17 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | and besides | 17:17 |
| jeez_ | I just think that the more we wait for PR 1.2 the worst it is to Maemo5, generally. I'm already waiting too much, dreaming about this as if it was "the release of the year". | 17:17 |
| javispedro | ptl_demands_PR12: note that we (as in "maemo community") are responsible for the autobuilder, not nokia | 17:17 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | jeez_: yep | 17:17 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it solves basic usability issues that should have been fixed from the start | 17:17 |
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| javispedro | ptl_demands_PR12: and we're already trying to fix that | 17:17 |
| jeez_ | I just want an email client with search features :) | 17:17 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | javispedro: sure, but something had to be done to this respect | 17:17 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | javispedro: I've seen some proposals, but the best fix would be simple 'release PR1.2' | 17:18 |
| Surfa | ptl_demands_PR12, nice attitude, still | 17:18 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | *simply | 17:18 |
| mikki-kun | hm... it's nokias device... i suppose pr1.2 is in some way nokia-based-code | 17:18 |
| javispedro | ptl_demands_PR12: no, because same would happen when pr1.3 would come by | 17:18 |
| Surfa | even that you have no idea about anything | 17:18 |
| jacekowski | svn.jacekowski.org/chromium/ ( empty at the moment but i'm sending my code there ) | 17:18 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: cool. What happened to extras-devel? | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, if they did that when they updated the autobuilder there would've been heavy load on it | 17:18 |
| mikki-kun | so it seems to me that it's their duty to make it a part of their device | 17:18 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: i never got it into my repository list | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, it's not on the repos anymore | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | idk why | 17:19 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: heavy load is not so bad, it means there are programs and activity being uploaded | 17:19 |
| mikki-kun | heavy load is just not good for the battery life | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, technically they'd have to rebuild all apps using Qt | 17:19 |
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| jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: package was fubar | 17:19 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: Yes, QT 4.6.2, yummy | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, the autobuilder runs on AC | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 17:20 |
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| mikki-kun | ahhh, so the autobuilder is on a pc then? | 17:20 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: did you modify chromium code in any way? Do you plan to? | 17:20 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | mikki-kun: autobuilder is a service | 17:20 |
| jacekowski | besides | 17:20 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski:/var/lib/svn/chromium/hooks# cat /var/log/apache2/access.log | grep chromium-5.0 | wc -l | 17:20 |
| jacekowski | 705 | 17:20 |
| jacekowski | 700 downloads | 17:21 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | wow | 17:21 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | this package is surely desirable | 17:21 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | :) | 17:21 |
| jacekowski | yeah, huge wow | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | w00t_, ping | 17:21 |
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| jacekowski | i've seen links to it on arabic/german/russian/french forums | 17:22 |
| hrw | ptl_demands_PR12: I agree with you | 17:22 |
| w00t_ | pong | 17:22 |
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| jacekowski | and that's only pages that directly link to my server | 17:22 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | I've told about it in a brazilian forum, but I didn't link your page so that i wouldn't overload your server | 17:23 |
| jacekowski | my server can't be orverloaded | 17:23 |
| jacekowski | it's 100mbit connection | 17:23 |
| * MohammadAG DDOSs jacekowski's server | 17:23 | |
| jacekowski | in datacentre | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | jk :P | 17:23 |
| Surfa | jacekowski, sounds like a challenge ;) | 17:24 |
| jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: can you link to that forum? | 17:24 |
| jacekowski | i mean give a link | 17:24 |
| jacekowski | and i'm amazed that only 50% bothers to read READ_THIS_BEFORE_INSTALLING.txt that file | 17:25 |
| frals | 50%? consider yourself lucky | 17:25 |
| javispedro | 50%? record | 17:25 |
| javispedro | lol | 17:25 |
| mikki-kun | i think he meant 5% ^^ | 17:26 |
| frals | i put a fucking banner ppl have to click before using fmms and guesstimate is max 10% reads it | 17:26 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: you mean, give you the link to the forum where I told about chromium? Or add a link to your server on the forum? | 17:26 |
| javispedro | i still get daily questions about where to get roms... | 17:26 |
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| jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: well you can do both | 17:26 |
| jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: but i meant the 1st one | 17:26 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | http://n900.aguilarj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=544&sid=c2898421fbb24b57954db10662727ae1 | 17:27 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | this is the forum thread about google chrome | 17:27 |
| mikki-kun | hm, a question regarding the 2.2010.08-2 update for n900... it's just a plain update, not a whole new system which i can install after flashing my n900, right? | 17:27 |
| jacekowski | frals: well, my definition of read is based on amout of people that downloaded it | 17:27 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | and btw, most people there don't speak english, so they won't read READ_THIS_BEFORE_INSTALLING.txt | 17:27 |
| mikki-kun | sorry, meant 02-8, not 08-2 | 17:27 |
| raulherbster | does anybody know where Dbus signals of interface com.nokia.system_ui.signal are defined/documented? | 17:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs and considers kicking ptl_demands_PR12 just for fun and to create offtime so he might reconsider his attitude | 17:27 | |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | :( DocScrutinizer | 17:28 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I have an idea | 17:29 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | instead of kicking me for fun, bully nokia people for fun so that they release PR1.2 | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's exactly the point | 17:29 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | It'll be funnier, I assure you :D | 17:29 |
| * MohammadAG waits for the "ChanServ gives channel operator status to DocScrutinizer" | 17:30 | |
| korhojoa | ptl_demands_PR12: did you upload a chrome version? whoaaaa | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | also largely more hopeless and braindamaged action | 17:30 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | uh-oh | 17:30 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | korhojoa: not me, jacekowski did | 17:30 |
| korhojoa | ah | 17:30 |
| * javispedro thinks of the much needed FINISH HIM!!! button in TMO... | 17:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: if you had a slightly less trollish attitude, you might apply for 1.2-betatester so you might learn it's NOT ready for primetime. If you really cared you alredy had noticed releasing 1.2 *dows not* cure all issues with borked repos - at least when I assume you're not so stupid like you try to make us believe | 17:32 |
| Surfa | *clapclap* | 17:33 |
| Surfa | well said indeed | 17:33 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: ok, fair enough. I'll google for beta-testing then! Or -- can you provide me the link to do that? | 17:33 |
| jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: "coloca o link para download ae q fica ate mais facil..." - does it mean something like "link to download or didn't happened?" | 17:33 |
| javispedro | nope | 17:34 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: it means "tell the download link here so it gets easier" | 17:34 |
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| jacekowski | yeah, post that link and don't worry about my server | 17:34 |
| mikki-kun | hm, about flashing the emmc of the n900... do i need an image for this one as well? | 17:35 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | which one? the svn? or the packages? | 17:35 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | mikki-kun: yes | 17:35 |
| jacekowski | packages at the moment | 17:35 |
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| Klowner | I wish I remember who it was that I was talking about cell providers in the netherlands | 17:35 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | doing that | 17:36 |
| mikki-kun | ptl_demands_PR12: hm, i haven't seen those until now | 17:36 |
| mikki-kun | just one and tablets-dev.nokia.com | 17:36 |
| mikki-kun | but it's labeled being for 1.2009.41-1 | 17:37 |
| mikki-kun | still usable? | 17:37 |
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| Klowner | anyone around that' using an N900 in .nl? I heard vodafone has good pre-paid data plans, I just need it for a week | 17:39 |
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| korhojoa | holy crap chromium is fast | 17:39 |
| Klowner | some guy recommended liberra or something, but I can't find any info | 17:39 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: can't find the beta testing link, can you tell me where it is? | 17:40 |
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| raulherbster | does anybody know where Dbus signals of interface com.nokia.system_ui.signal are defined/documented? | 17:42 |
| mikki-kun | i'd actually like to try it as well, if there is a possibility to do so | 17:42 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: I wish you understood that I have good will and my criticism is meant to be constructive. Anyway, if it's still time, I'd be glad to put my efforts where my mouth is. :) | 17:42 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | raulherbster: I'd like to know that too :P I don't know if there is any documentation apart from the dbus probing efforts | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: sorry, I don't have decent links to share. Probably somebody else here in this chan can help better - thinking about Stskeeps, X-Fade and other Nokia-affiliated gurus, and of course council | 17:46 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Stskeeps: do you have the beta-testing link for PR1.2? | 17:47 |
| frals | i think the 'policy' is, dont contact them, theyll contact you :p | 17:47 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | oh... That makes it more difficult. | 17:47 |
| frals | last round was based on bug reports or something | 17:47 |
| frals | (i think) | 17:47 |
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| mikki-kun | frals: you mean, that the more bugs you found the higher the chances where getting invited? | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | ptl_demands_PR12: what beta testing link | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | i run meego on my n900, works wonders | 17:48 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Stskeeps: for PR1.2, is there is any link to apply | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:48 |
| dmj726_n900 | it's very textual | 17:49 |
| frals | mikki-kun: i assume it was something based on bugzilla activity, but i might very well be completly wrong | 17:49 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh, ok | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | ptl_demands_PR12: i don't know anything about anything | 17:49 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Stskeeps: DocScrutinizer suggested that instead I be so critic, I see for myself that PR1.2 is not ready for production time. | 17:49 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Stskeeps: oh... Ok. :( Anyone who can help me on that? | 17:49 |
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| Stskeeps | ptl_demands_PR12: i suggest LSD and i'm sure pr1.1.1 will turn into pr1.2 | 17:50 |
| mikki-kun | i'd say that everybody who really wants to try something "beta" should be allowed to do so | 17:50 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Stskeeps: not a chance, last time I did that had a really bad trip | 17:50 |
| mikki-kun | it's then just their prob if they run into problems | 17:50 |
| nidO | mikki-kun: well, not really | 17:51 |
| nidO | you push out a beta update to everyone who wants it, then everyone will try it | 17:51 |
| nidO | and 99% of those people will just whine when things dont work properly, rather than provide constructive feedback | 17:51 |
| nidO | look at all the crap on the forums every day about problems with rootfs and similar from people who install -devel software | 17:51 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Whining might be part of constructive feedback if done properly :P if it is to the right people and telling what's wring | 17:52 |
| mikki-kun | they should be explicitly warned and asked "windows style" 3 times if they are really sure they wanna update | 17:52 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | s/wring/wrong/ | 17:52 |
| infobot | ptl_demands_PR12 meant: Whining might be part of constructive feedback if done properly :P if it is to the right people and telling what's wrong | 17:52 |
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| nidO | people have that with -devel software already, and they still install it then whine when their device breaks | 17:52 |
| mikki-kun | well, i just filled my rootfs with too much stuff ^^ still, enough place to install some apps, just not pr1.1.1 | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: well I tend to cursing and ranting :-P | 17:53 |
| mikki-kun | and i suppose pr1.2 won't have space either | 17:53 |
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| mikki-kun | but that is something where i was willing to take the risk | 17:53 |
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| crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: except nidO is right, most people whine like little bitches and don't provide constructive feedback | 17:54 |
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| mikki-kun | currently loading 2.2009.51-1 for flashing... | 17:54 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: can't disagree with that, paretto rule applies here :) | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | ptl_demands_PR12: in case of commercial products, bad quality affects your company income | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 17:55 |
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| crashanddie | no, it affects your maintenance numbers | 17:55 |
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| crashanddie | but poor quality of products + good customer service and maintenance/engineering management can provide a company a bigger confidence boost | 17:58 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | or, lack of features + dream-psychodelic-like advertising might provide the customers the impression that there is 'magic' there (iThings in general) | 18:01 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | when you don't have features, you don't have too many bugs to fix | 18:01 |
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| gouverneur | second the iThings | 18:04 |
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| gouverneur | my cousin just said that he thinks of getting an iPad instead of a full desktop, I just said "what for?" | 18:05 |
| gouverneur | those stockholm syndrom deceased iLovers I feel sorry for | 18:06 |
| Shapeshifter | apple - computing for the stupid | 18:06 |
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| gouverneur | Shapeshifter: thats not true but its expensive | 18:06 |
| gouverneur | keep it to iThings | 18:06 |
| gouverneur | those power* stuff is pretty hardcore | 18:07 |
| korhojoa | gouverneur: tell him you feel sorry for him | 18:07 |
| Shapeshifter | gouverneur: it is pretty much true. the apple philosopy is that if you have to learn something, it's a bad product. | 18:07 |
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| gouverneur | korhojoa: thats what I did | 18:07 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Jobs thinks if you have to use the stylus, it's a bad product | 18:07 |
| Shapeshifter | gouverneur: mh well okay. mac computers are a different thing | 18:08 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I'll invite him to use the iPad in Brazil and getting your sweaty fingers on the screen | 18:08 |
| korhojoa | damn. i love my stylus | 18:08 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | s/your/his/ | 18:08 |
| infobot | ptl_demands_PR12 meant: I'll invite him to use the iPad in Brazil and getting his sweaty fingers on the screen | 18:08 |
| korhojoa | means i don't have to fuck around with my finger in the cold | 18:08 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Wish my problem was the cold@! | 18:08 |
| crashanddie | Take the apple bashing outside please | 18:08 |
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| gouverneur | Shapeshifter: true on iThings, the *real* stuff is good and nothing like easy to learn | 18:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | gouverneur: that's a matter of taste I guess. | 18:09 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | I don't care about Apple, I am just praising the stylus, crashanddie. Some comparisons inevitably arise from that. | 18:09 |
| gouverneur | just look at adobe, their stuff (if professional version) is pretty hard to get into | 18:09 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I bought a second stylus for my N900 just in case. | 18:09 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | from the guy named 'fake' in tmo. | 18:09 |
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| gouverneur | ptl_demands_PR12: I just wont loose mine | 18:10 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it's sitting besides me... very pretty to see it in the laser-cut stand. | 18:10 |
| crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: leap of faith :P | 18:10 |
| gouverneur | ptl_demands_PR12: picture pls | 18:10 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | gouverneur: many pictures, even a video: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43593 | 18:11 |
| korhojoa | laser cut-stand | 18:11 |
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| mikki-kun | they looked nice :) | 18:12 |
| nidO | they are decent, my device is sitting in it's nice black wood stand :> | 18:15 |
| mikki-kun | are those still available? | 18:16 |
| nidO | ofc | 18:16 |
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| jacekowski | gouverneur: ipad instead of dektop, wtf? | 18:16 |
| gouverneur | thats again a "what for" | 18:16 |
| mikki-kun | i'd never even think bout buying one | 18:17 |
| gouverneur | jacekowski: that was in my mind but I guess my look told it ;) | 18:17 |
| mikki-kun | was about the ipad the previous comment ^^ | 18:17 |
| gouverneur | mine about the stand | 18:17 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: poor product+good service isn't very good idea | 18:17 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: because even if product is working in the end user had some downtime | 18:17 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: most companies get away with it | 18:17 |
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| jacekowski | well i know from experience here | 18:18 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: I'm not talking about your $5 appstore application | 18:18 |
| jacekowski | that it doesn't work | 18:18 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | the problem about talking so much about the iPad is that we become psychologically fixated about it | 18:18 |
| jacekowski | well, i'm talking about £20k | 18:18 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | and we unconsciously nurture the desire to have one | 18:18 |
| gouverneur | jacekowski: with many good products you will raise your customers confidence with a bad and good support | 18:18 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | even if it's a copy with android or meego | 18:18 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: I'm talking about multi-million project that take 2 years to get up and running | 18:18 |
| nidO | ptl_demands_PR12, how about all the tablets that have been around for the past decade | 18:19 |
| nidO | are they now "copies" as well? | 18:19 |
| jacekowski | and it fails every 2nd day | 18:19 |
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| jacekowski | and there is downtime | 18:19 |
| jacekowski | i would prefer to have no support and rock solid product | 18:19 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: it's just not possible at some point | 18:19 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | nidO: of course not. the tablet concept has been around for quite some time. The iPad is a marketing play, tho. It seems new stuff for non-tech-savvy people and even for some tech-savvy people. | 18:19 |
| gouverneur | there is already an iPad revenge from a german company which is even better on hardware and cheaper | 18:20 |
| nidO | well, Archos have had two tablets available for months | 18:20 |
| nidO | both of them are better than ipads, imo | 18:20 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | nidO: it's the "magic" of Apple. They get geeky stuff, strip them clean then sell as something entirely new | 18:20 |
| gouverneur | you see | 18:20 |
| gouverneur | gtg | 18:21 |
| gouverneur | byebye | 18:21 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | and then they convince some developers with promises of getting rich fast with trivial applications | 18:21 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | well, to be frank, they convince MANY developers. | 18:21 |
| pupnik | how a kickbutt 10hour tablet with bluetooth keyboard support | 18:22 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Archos doesn't do that. | 18:22 |
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| pupnik | like 770 | 18:22 |
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| jacekowski | ptl_demands_PR12: hp slate | 18:29 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | jacekowski: I've read about that. | 18:29 |
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| hrw | GuySoft: which upnp server software you are using to share media with n900? | 18:30 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | You know, I might have some use for a tablet if there are 'good enough' apps for it. At the college. | 18:30 |
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| ech0Asus | erm, i found an ez way to SMS free :) | 18:35 |
| hrw | ~die rygel | 18:36 |
| * infobot murders rygel, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless... | 18:36 | |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | ech0Asus: applying to all countries? | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | yes | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | steal a phone | 18:37 |
| ech0Asus | using AIM | 18:37 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | AIM? Then it's no SMS. | 18:38 |
| ech0Asus | u have to add the entry to each contact manually though, add +11231231234 | 18:38 |
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| ech0Asus | u can SMS from AIM | 18:38 |
| ech0Asus | free | 18:38 |
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| ech0Asus | instead of putting a username put the phone number with country code as shown.. | 18:38 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | lemme try it. | 18:39 |
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| ech0Asus | works with any aim client | 18:39 |
| nidO | are there even people in the world that still actually pay for sms's anyway? | 18:40 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: I doubt that works for every country | 18:40 |
| crashanddie | nidO: loads | 18:40 |
| crashanddie | nidO: I pay $.2 per text | 18:40 |
| ech0Asus | i'm not sure which countries have limitations but it works here for me | 18:41 |
| ech0Asus | u just have to try for ur area | 18:41 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | (12:41:22) Unable to send message: Desconectado (Cannot send SMS to this country) | 18:41 |
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| jacekowski | home time | 18:41 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | tell me your number so I can send SMS to you | 18:41 |
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| Zahra | does anybody know how can I get backup from my whole maemo on N900? | 18:42 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: "here" is highly specific, how about you share your country of residence? | 18:42 |
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| ech0Asus | +12812031708 | 18:43 |
| ech0Asus | i'm in Houston, TX, USA. | 18:43 |
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| crashanddie | So, as I said before, probably only works in the US | 18:44 |
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| ech0Asus | Keyser Soze | 18:45 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | it worked :D | 18:46 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | and the reply got here too | 18:46 |
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| crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: want to try me? | 18:46 |
| crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: I don't have aim | 18:46 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: sure, what's the number? | 18:46 |
| crashanddie | hang on | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | I don't know it | 18:47 |
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| mikki-kun | crashanddie: you mean, only with an IP from the US it's free or just to US cells it's free? | 18:47 |
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| crashanddie | mikki-kun: dunno | 18:47 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | just to US (and Canada, it seems) cellphones | 18:48 |
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| mikki-kun | hmpf... | 18:48 |
| mikki-kun | would have been way nicer to have worldwide free sms ^^ | 18:48 |
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| ech0Asus | meh it's from AIM lol | 18:49 |
| ech0Asus | wonder what yahoo's restrictions are | 18:50 |
| ech0Asus | i believe it can SMS | 18:50 |
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| * MohammadAG needs skype file sending support | 18:50 | |
| ech0Asus | can u sms from skype with the n900? | 18:50 |
| ech0Asus | i know you'd have to pay but does it work? | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | can't find that option anywhere | 18:51 |
| brik | doesn't look like it | 18:51 |
| ech0Asus | cause i have skype but i haven't bought the stuff to sms anyone, dont want to if the n900 doesn't support it as thats only thing i use skype on.. | 18:52 |
| crashanddie | you can place calls | 18:52 |
| ech0Asus | yeah | 18:52 |
| crashanddie | but no sms | 18:52 |
| ech0Asus | that works good | 18:52 |
| ech0Asus | ah k | 18:52 |
| crashanddie | oh well, actually you might | 18:52 |
| ech0Asus | so i wont buy that glad i didn't buy it yet lol | 18:52 |
| * ptl_demands_PR12 needs SMS file sending support... you know, UUDECODE or MIMENCODE then SMS it, lol | 18:52 | |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | s/UUDECODE/UUENCODE/ | 18:53 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: I only checked with the very first software revision | 18:53 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | let's send a blueray movie file through SMS, uuencoded. | 18:53 |
| ech0Asus | why not just send the hex dictionary while ur at it lol | 18:54 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41672 | 18:54 |
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| ech0Asus | readin link | 18:54 |
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| gouverneur | re | 18:55 |
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| gouverneur | an SMS CLI would be so useful... | 18:55 |
| crashanddie | why? | 18:55 |
| gouverneur | s/an/any/ | 18:55 |
| ech0Asus | webtexter huh | 18:55 |
| infobot | gouverneur meant: any SMS CLI would be so useful... | 18:55 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: nha, he's just confirming what I said: sms through skype is not supported | 18:55 |
| ech0Asus | ah ok | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: though, I might try it anyway in the next few days | 18:56 |
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| crashanddie | ech0Asus: just add a skype contact but phone number instead of username | 18:56 |
| gouverneur | MohammadAG: with knife? | 18:56 |
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| MohammadAG | gouverneur, WHAT | 18:56 |
| gouverneur | ;) | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 18:57 |
| gouverneur | touchscreen is 54eur so I dont care! | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | i do | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | cause I don't have a cc | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | well, a real one | 18:57 |
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| gouverneur | my 3y old has not a single scratch... | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | still can't own one legally | 18:57 |
| gouverneur | wdym | 18:58 |
| ech0Asus | if i add a skype contact with a phone number it calls there phone line doesn't sms? | 18:58 |
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| crashanddie | ech0Asus: I don't know | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: you would have to select "Skype IM" | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: there is no "Skype SMS" option | 18:59 |
| ech0Asus | hrm | 18:59 |
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| mikki-kun | btw, which browser would you recommend i should use for the n900? | 19:07 |
| mikki-kun | i heard now there is chromium, the standart and fennec | 19:07 |
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| crashanddie | mikki-kun: just go for standard | 19:08 |
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| crashanddie | mikki-kun: if you don't hear people telling you to change, don't | 19:08 |
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| mikki-kun | well, as the question didn't came up i asked ;) | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG | wow, the screen quality is crisp! | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG | i put a screen protector on it since I got it | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG | it's soo much better without it | 19:08 |
| ech0Asus | anyone have a google voice account i want an invite :( | 19:09 |
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| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: i've been using my n900 without any protector since january 10th | 19:10 |
| mikki-kun | and just one viewable small scratch | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil_ | I see no difference with protection | 19:10 |
| mikki-kun | it's not the best, but still pretty tough | 19:11 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: my screen quality is the same with my protector, but I bought a somewhat expensive one from PDAir.com, screen clear or something like that, it was US$ 12,00 | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil_ | I have _destroyed_ two screen protectors. | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: see? that's why I keep it like gouverneur :-) | 19:11 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG: and I am already thinking about buying another one 'just in case', because it's a very high-quality protector indeed | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil_ | seccateurs in pocket with n900 + bending up. and down a lot | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil_ | I got 10 cheap protectors from ebay for 3 £ | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil_ | work for me. | 19:12 |
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| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, got another one so I peeled of the scratched one to replace it | 19:12 |
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| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, bought mine for 13 shipped | 19:13 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, without a protector? kind of insane lol | 19:13 |
| V13 | is there a reason why packages are did not get imported the last 45 minutes ? (There were two timeslots based) | 19:13 |
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| V13 | based==passed | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: seems I'm a sort of an insane person. I'm just about to buy a new N900, but alas there aren't any here in my town. Have to wait until Tuesday :-S | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | another one? | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | what happened to the current one? | 19:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-S (sshhhh) | 19:16 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | maybe he's trying to make a cluster out of it | 19:16 |
| * lcuk curses @ noobmonk3y_ | 19:17 | |
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| PBeck | hi | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | PBeck: Hi :-) | 19:21 |
| PBeck | hey DocScrutinizer | 19:21 |
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| V13 | something is wrong with the builder... | 19:22 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, hey do you have a TV? | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, why? | 19:23 |
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| ShadowJK | Well you were saying you'd want to see sysfs nodes before starting mails about bq*, and I was guessing you didn't have ssh setup on it, tvout is next best thing then? :-) | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: If you think of AV-connector - this one showing blue /white-blue vertical bars, 2s each, cycling | 19:26 |
| ShadowJK | ah :/ | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what's driving me nuts | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil_ | sounds like a test pattern mode almost | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:27 |
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| * DocScrutinizer is wondering if mainboard might be able to detect main-FPC break so communication to 'upper half' has errors. Then entering some test-mode | 19:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing faintly similar mentioned in L3/4 | 19:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I mean, aiui AV and LCD are even separate framebuffers | 19:31 |
| lcuk | yes | 19:32 |
| lcuk | can run one app on video out | 19:32 |
| lcuk | and another on lcd | 19:32 |
| andrewfblack | jacekowski: is that your port of Chromium that is on Engadget? | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep. And also no common / shared hw components except SoC itself | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if LCD is black, and AV is blue/striped switching... what could that mean | 19:34 |
| lcuk | you are watching the bill with screensaver on? | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the bill? (me suspects pun he's missing) | 19:35 |
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| lcuk | yes uk police thing. dont worry | 19:36 |
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| lcuk | is that all that happens from bootup? | 19:36 |
| lcuk | cos the device state gives no clues | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, everything else as normal as could be | 19:36 |
| lcuk | until? | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | until indicator LED pulses my custom idle pattern | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and ts accepts clicks | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | really everything works (except enterin PIN ;-P ) | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and screen black, and AV blue | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG | god damn ripp off | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't stick | 19:39 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, so your device is happy for first 5 mins or so until screen locks | 19:43 |
| ech0Asus | lol can't make a phone call or send a txt message but my 3g still works fine... | 19:43 |
| ech0Asus | didn't pay the bill for tmo | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I'd say I can even unlock screen - alas it doesn't help as screen is black :-P | 19:44 |
| ech0Asus | wonder how long it will stay connected on this sim card | 19:44 |
| ech0Asus | will use it as long as it lasts lol | 19:44 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, strange | 19:45 |
| lcuk | have youreflashed yet to see | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, hard to reflash with black screen, well a little hard at least. And I wouldn't expect everything works just screen firmware borked or sth | 19:46 |
| lcuk | you reflash from desktop side :p | 19:46 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders if fiasco-flasher would flash the nolo | 19:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm yes | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I'll finally put up with it and try to use device over ssh. maybe dmesg is more informative than I dare to hope | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | so that's another reason why I haven't considered reflashing yet | 19:49 |
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| X1938 | does sygic only support these pak map files ? | 20:03 |
| * RST38h cackles approvingly after finding the 1st episode of DrWho 3010 | 20:04 | |
| X1938 | no possible way to get osm or garmin maps working with sygic? | 20:04 |
| RST38h | 2010 | 20:04 |
| X1938 | or perhaps coverting those maps to get them to work with sygic ? | 20:04 |
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| PBeck | works minigpsd for anybody? | 20:17 |
| PBeck | when i try tangogps to start with minigpsd - the apps founds the gpsd but not get a fix | 20:18 |
| PBeck | or any location information | 20:18 |
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| * noobmonk3y_ is meh | 20:28 | |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y_, im glad you are staying out of the twitter comments | 20:30 |
| frals | :D | 20:30 |
| noobmonk3y_ | twitter comments? | 20:30 |
| * noobmonk3y_ has to read twitter to keep up with comments | 20:30 | |
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| frals | its "confirm lcuk is insane" hour on twitter atm | 20:30 |
| * toggles_w confirms | 20:31 | |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | im not on twitter | 20:31 |
| lcuk | im gonna delete @lcuk | 20:31 |
| lcuk | frals didnt jaffa use abook for hermes? | 20:32 |
| lcuk | from python | 20:33 |
| frals | yeah im using the same approach now | 20:33 |
| frals | but its megaslow | 20:33 |
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| lcuk | which bit | 20:33 |
| frals | i need to get the whole abook to a python dict to search for a number | 20:33 |
| frals | as the search function is missing from the evolution bindings | 20:34 |
| lcuk | and you call me insane? | 20:34 |
| frals | :D | 20:34 |
| lcuk | there could potentially be 1000s | 20:34 |
| frals | yes | 20:34 |
| frals | hence why its super slow :D | 20:34 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: btw I still can't install liqbase-playground. I got this error ever since I tried it the first time months ago; It depends on libliqbase1 (>=0.3.57) but these are missing. | 20:34 |
| * noobmonk3y_ tweeted for the first time in a while | 20:34 | |
| lcuk | barisione, python bindings for abook, are there any reasonable ones floating around | 20:34 |
| SpeedEvil_ | does anyone recall if the FM radio can output to phones without goimg throught thr cpu/pulseaudio? | 20:35 |
| lcuk | :( Shapeshifter | 20:35 |
| noobmonk3y_ | doubt it | 20:35 |
| barisione | lcuk: not that I know of | 20:35 |
| lcuk | i started to optify libliqbase and it kinda turned into something else | 20:35 |
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| frals | there were for diablo or something, but they wasnt updated :< | 20:35 |
| lcuk | i once auto generated bindings to libliqbase - can the same occur to abook? be used as a base | 20:36 |
| * lcuk has a hazy memory of ctype class in python? | 20:36 | |
| frals | there is ctypes for doing straight c-calls inline | 20:36 |
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| frals | and its fine for using the standard primitives like int/char etc | 20:37 |
| RST38h | ehlo lcuk, frals | 20:37 |
| frals | but i need to send gboolean types and what not as params and it got way complicated for me :( | 20:37 |
| frals | o/ RST38h | 20:37 |
| lcuk | what do you actually expect from the search then and whats the return | 20:37 |
| djkrikke | Hi guys, I'm trying to find out how tunin.fm works, so I can create an application that allows maemo users to listen to their streams as well | 20:37 |
| lcuk | and is this something you could cover by making a gtk widget - and embedding that in your code | 20:38 |
| lizardo | frals: gboolean is just a typedef for a standard type... IIRC | 20:38 |
| lcuk | thereby bypassing the brainfunk/slowness | 20:38 |
| lcuk | hey RST38h | 20:38 |
| djkrikke | Problem is, it looks like they are using an icecast server "on demand", when you open the application on the iphone and pick a channel, they start streaming it. Any ideas on how to "inspect" what web traffic is going on? I used fiddler but he doesn't mention anything about a request, only images etc | 20:38 |
| frals | lcuk: nah, i need to do the number lookup to get a name to show so cant hide it with a gtk widget call, tried that | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | frals, its late on friday - that didnt parse - you just posted blog post - indicate on screenies | 20:39 |
| frals | lizardo: yeah, its a typedef for a regular int iirc, but i was seg faulting when i sent an int - most likely to me not knowing enough about ctypes to do it properly either way | 20:39 |
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| frals | lcuk: what i need is this function pretty much http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/libosso-abook-osso-abook-util.html#osso-abook-query-phone-number | 20:40 |
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| lcuk | yes frals, but which bit of the ui are you putting the answer on | 20:42 |
| * noobmonk3y_ hmmmmmmm's start some coding or not....... | 20:42 | |
| frals | the main view where it lists all the messages and who its from | 20:42 |
| lcuk | can you make a composite widget that does that bit too along with the search | 20:42 |
| lcuk | ahh its per message | 20:42 |
| lcuk | right uderstood | 20:43 |
| lcuk | understood | 20:43 |
| frals | ya | 20:43 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lcuk, whats the chance of me being able to visualise microhophone input on the n900? :D (Equaliser i spose?) | 20:43 |
| frals | im thinking about working around it by doing the lookup as soon as the message arrives and then just save the contact id in the database of messages | 20:43 |
| noobmonk3y_ | no entirely sure how just to open a feed though | 20:43 |
| frals | and have my daemon load the damn list on start, which would hide how slow it is from the ui | 20:43 |
| lizardo | frals: hey I believe I played with this function some time ago... I wasn't able to make it work even on C :( | 20:44 |
| frals | lizardo: doh :( | 20:44 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y_, i have liqmic :$ | 20:44 |
| lizardo | frals: do have any *working* C example code using it ? | 20:44 |
| lcuk | its quite easy in c | 20:44 |
| noobmonk3y_ | ooooo damn c | 20:44 |
| lcuk | but it needs silly speed processing | 20:44 |
| noobmonk3y_ | hmmmmmmm | 20:44 |
| noobmonk3y_ | first ... need to figure out how to bring in mic onformation | 20:44 |
| frals | lizardo: dont think so im afraid | 20:44 |
| noobmonk3y_ | info* | 20:44 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y_, python would choke! | 20:44 |
| * noobmonk3y_ wants to choke python :D | 20:44 | |
| lizardo | frals: the only way I could make a query on phone number was using the lowlevel libebook plus some sort of VCAL query string | 20:45 |
| lcuk | lizardo, from python? | 20:45 |
| frals | lizardo: right, cheers | 20:45 |
| lizardo | lcuk: on C | 20:45 |
| shvedsky | noobmonk3y_: usually the python chokes YOU!! | 20:45 |
| lizardo | lcuk: but on python would work too... but is not nice to use libebook directly IIRC | 20:45 |
| * noobmonk3y_ will beat python to the ground and then whack the python around it's head with Frals until it submits...... | 20:45 | |
| frals | i was trying something similiar with python-evolution, but the bindings in -devel is missing the search functions | 20:45 |
| lizardo | because you lack some interesting metadata | 20:45 |
| lcuk | frals i bet that osso_abook_query_phone_number function could work | 20:46 |
| frals | or well, it only contains one search with is search by contact name :< | 20:46 |
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| lizardo | frals: the deal is : bring me some working C code using that function and I promise to bring you functional ctypes code :D | 20:46 |
| frals | lizardo: deal! :) | 20:47 |
| lizardo | lcuk: do you have sample code for it ? | 20:47 |
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| lizardo | any *C* code at all? :) | 20:47 |
| frals | lcuk: mind bringing me some c code for that...? ;) | 20:47 |
| lcuk | no lizardo im n00b on python | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | its something we need to look at tho | 20:47 |
| lcuk | for fmms benefit! | 20:47 |
| lizardo | lcuk: and C ? | 20:47 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol! | 20:47 |
| * noobmonk3y_ sent an mms today :D yay | 20:48 | |
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| frals | noobmonk3y_: :D | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | i can write c with hands tied behind back, but im dont know specifics of the api needs looking at tho | 20:48 |
| noobmonk3y_ | i find it hard to type with no hands :( | 20:49 |
| frals | noobmonk3y_: i have the same problem, but you know lcuk is some kind of demi-computer | 20:49 |
| lcuk | nokia touchscreen devices work with more than just your fingers | 20:49 |
| lcuk | if you have a long | 20:50 |
| lcuk | nose - you can easily use the osk | 20:50 |
| noobmonk3y_ | i think he is a re-incarnation of deep-blue, and would hate to have to play him at chess | 20:50 |
| noobmonk3y_ | Or whatever that ibm computer was actually called, something blue?! | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | eyetracker, if only the aux cam wasn't such an utter crap ;-P | 20:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Will sausage do? | 20:51 |
| noobmonk3y_ | hmmmmmm i really really really really really really really really really really want a decent pyqt gui ide thingy | 20:51 |
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| RST38h | write one | 20:51 |
| * noobmonk3y_ gets his pen n paper........... this may not work........ | 20:52 | |
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| lcuk | RST38h, frozen? | 20:53 |
| noobmonk3y_ | hmmmmmmmm | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y_, did you know, pyqt code looks shockingly similar to my liq* stuff | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y_ | ? | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y_ | messy? lol | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | :D | 20:56 |
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| * MohammadAG_ is back after a ****y round of CoD | 20:56 | |
| MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y_, \o | 20:56 |
| * noobmonk3y_ farts | 20:56 | |
| MohammadAG_ | I'm not sure what to say really | 20:57 |
| lcuk | its best you dont speak | 20:57 |
| lcuk | or breath | 20:57 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: heated! | 20:59 |
| mrweasel | hi! I'm currently running mer on my n900. Is there any way to access the maemo rootfs from mer? | 20:59 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | ooooo mer on the n900 :D | 21:00 |
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| * MohammadAG_ holds breath | 21:00 | |
| * noobmonk3y_ prods MohammadAG | 21:00 | |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol MohammadAG is the ghost of MohammadAG_ ? | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y_, nah, I'm on my PC | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | and i'm on the N900 | 21:01 |
| noobmonk3y_ | Which one is your n900? | 21:01 |
| noobmonk3y_ | :D | 21:01 |
| noobmonk3y_ | ~ping MohammadAG | 21:01 |
| infobot | pong MohammadAG | 21:01 |
| noobmonk3y_ | does your device still die whilst being pinged? ;) | 21:01 |
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| MohammadAG_ | err what? lol | 21:03 |
| * noobmonk3y_ grins | 21:03 | |
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| noobmonk3y_ | odd question, but opengl works on the n900 in some way? | 21:05 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | so there should somewhere be an opengl sort of library? - or am i on the wrong tracks? | 21:05 |
| lcuk | opengles | 21:06 |
| lcuk | qt has qt functionality too | 21:06 |
| GuySoft | hrw|gone, you pinged me by mistake? | 21:06 |
| lcuk | not sure how it comes into your py stuff tho | 21:06 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | hmmmmmm | 21:07 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lack of documentation is fun for 10 minutes....... | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y_, what do you need that for? | 21:07 |
| noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, to fill healcheck requests..... hard to learn new things without seeing documentation, preferably in english | 21:08 |
| frals | noobmonk3y_: documentation is overrated, reverse engineering is where the fun is at ;) | 21:08 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | i also want to do pull my finger - in style ;) | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh, thought you wanted to stress test the N900 | 21:08 |
| noobmonk3y_ | frals, that is good enough as documentation for me in most cases... but i dont even know where to start in open gl :P | 21:09 |
| frals | :D | 21:09 |
| noobmonk3y_ | ahaaaaaaaaaa | 21:09 |
| noobmonk3y_ | not supported in pyqt until 4.7 | 21:09 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | that makes more sense | 21:09 |
| lcuk | glad something does | 21:11 |
| * lcuk has been pondering something all afternoon and i think i have it | 21:11 | |
| * MohammadAG_ wonders what lcuk is happy about :P | 21:11 | |
| * MohammadAG_ just checked his twitter | 21:12 | |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG_, @frals @texrat @anidel @h0pbeat are required for context | 21:13 |
| lcuk | tho they should all be blocked instead | 21:13 |
| frals | :DDD | 21:13 |
| ech0Asus | anyone know how much longer my 3g is going to stay connected? lol can't call or send txt but can call w/ skype on 3g still.. didn't pay my tmo bill lol. | 21:13 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol | 21:14 |
| ech0Asus | 3g workin good | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol @ lcuk | 21:15 |
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| * lcuk cannot remember if hes following MohammadAG_ | 21:15 | |
| dmj726_n9001 | my pidgin window is fullscreen...is there a shortcut to toggle that? | 21:15 |
| lirakis | i downloaded the NYC subway map pdf to my n900, but the n900 says it is encrypted and needs a password... which is not ture | 21:15 |
| lirakis | *true | 21:16 |
| lcuk | tho if he joins in calling my coding insane it wont be for long | 21:16 |
| lirakis | i can view the pdf fine on my computer | 21:16 |
| * MohammadAG_ thinks so... | 21:16 | |
| ech0Asus | wonder if they capped the speed on it some | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | yep you're following me lcuk :D | 21:17 |
| dmj726_n9001 | or if it is a strange bug | 21:17 |
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| * lcuk follows lots of rando mpeople | 21:17 | |
| lcuk | random people | 21:17 |
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| MohammadAG_ | <lirakis> i downloaded the NYC subway map pdf to my n900, but the n900 says it is encrypted and needs a password... which is not ture | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | it happens with the service manuals too | 21:17 |
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| lirakis | MohammadAG, is there a fix for this???? | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/webos-port-of-xorg-in-the-works-openoffice-support-the-inevitab/ | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | lirakis, not that I know of | 21:18 |
| lirakis | seriously?!! | 21:18 |
| lirakis | thats insane | 21:18 |
| Zahra | does anybody know how can I get backup from my whole maemo OS on N900? | 21:18 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Zahra, your whole OS? | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | as in all of /? | 21:19 |
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| Nils^ | hi. i realized the terminal sends a wrong return code. but there is already a patch in the tracker. any known workaround? | 21:20 |
| nidO | cp -R /* /remotedrivesomewhere | 21:20 |
| nidO | would probably do it | 21:20 |
| * lirakis is trying evince | 21:20 | |
| nidO | you arent expecting it to work after doing so though, right? | 21:20 |
| lirakis | .. totally weak that the pdf viewer is broken | 21:20 |
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| Zahra | MohammadAG_: yes, but I mean to restore it when my OS removed | 21:21 |
| nidO | then no. why would you want to? | 21:22 |
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| Zahra | I want to test it with some thing & I guess It may removes my maemo | 21:24 |
| Zahra | I really want to get & image from it & recover with that image | 21:25 |
| nidO | why not just take a normal backup, then reflash and restore the backup like everyone else? | 21:25 |
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| Zahra | nidO: hmm! I didn't find any image to flash! | 21:26 |
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| TomaszD | well god damn... http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-PL-daily-20091220-20100303 | 21:29 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Zahra, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | the IRC isn't a manual/wiki | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: poland's a funny country when it comes to open source | 21:30 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps, why do you think so? | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: well, for starters, we don't have magazines with ubuntu cds in front in .dk | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:30 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps, heh, actually, I was an editor for one of those magazines | 21:31 |
| keesj | can i unmute my device from the command line? | 21:31 |
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| keesj | I Have lost my n900 but still can ssh to it | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: it's all your fault obviously | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:31 |
| Zahra | MohammadAG_: I didn't see that, btw getting a link dosn't mean irc is a manual! | 21:31 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, yeah ;) Prepared a whole issue with about Ubuntu 7.10, remastered the CDs... | 21:32 |
| frosty` | keesj: alsamixer maybe? | 21:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | well at least say thanks instead of arguing... | 21:32 |
| TomaszD | *-with | 21:32 |
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| Vanadis | hai thar | 21:32 |
| keesj | frosty`: no that is on 100% and I am trying to play using mplayer -ao pluse | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: what year? | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: just wondering if that was what i saw :P | 21:33 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, Ubuntu 7.10 man, not that hard to figure out, it was new back then :P | 21:33 |
| TomaszD | late 2007 | 21:33 |
| * Stskeeps ponders | 21:33 | |
| Stskeeps | i guess i did go to poland for the first time there | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | in december there | 21:34 |
| TomaszD | that would be an awesome coincidence | 21:34 |
| TomaszD | I don't think I have a copy around anymore | 21:34 |
| TomaszD | maybe at my parent's home | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | i guess i saw it in empik or something there :P | 21:34 |
| TomaszD | yeah, they did sell there too | 21:35 |
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| Stskeeps | well then it must have been that :P | 21:35 |
| TomaszD | I pretty much stopped blogging so they don't offer me anymore of these jobs | 21:36 |
| TomaszD | pay was awful, so I don't regret it | 21:36 |
| TomaszD | so yeah, anyone wants some articles written about Linux in general, English, Polish, contact me | 21:37 |
| TomaszD | :) | 21:37 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Yeah, I was going to say - frals: I use ctype to access libosso-abook from Python | 22:02 |
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| konttori | anybody know if there is a way to make hildon.GtkHScale() to be less high? (it's showing the progress time indicator on top of the slider, which makes widget really high) | 22:04 |
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| MohammadAG_ | WTF http://theunlockr.com/2010/04/09/nokia-n900-processor-getting-pushed-further-1-7ghz-reached-yes-you-did-read-that-right/ | 22:07 |
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| * SpeedEvil rofls. | 22:08 | |
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| lizardo | Jaffa: heve you tried using http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/libosso-abook-osso-abook-util.html#osso-abook-query-phone-number using ctypes ? | 22:09 |
| lizardo | Jaffa: I could make it work even on pure C... | 22:09 |
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| ShadowJK | Awesome, Nokia's brewery has started making a hefe weissbier | 22:13 |
| ShadowJK | if this is a tenth as good as the real thing I'll be happy | 22:13 |
| panaggio | I've sent my project to GSoC, and a friend asked me to put it on the Wiki | 22:13 |
| shvedsky | GSoC deadline went unnoticed here :-) | 22:14 |
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| panaggio | but I don't know where to put it | 22:14 |
| panaggio | http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Project_ideas | 22:14 |
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| panaggio | there are easy, medium and hard | 22:15 |
| panaggio | but I don't know where my project belongs | 22:15 |
| panaggio | it's here: http://migre.me/va6p | 22:15 |
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| frals | konttori: you could try a size_request() since it inherits from gtk.Widget I guess - but thats not guaranteed to work | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd guess at medium. | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know the criterion though. | 22:16 |
| konttori | frals: ok, I'll try | 22:17 |
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| frals | konttori: nvm, i mixed it up with something else | 22:18 |
| frals | konttori: set_size_request(width, height) was what i meant | 22:18 |
| konttori | yeah, but probably would not work at all (or make the gfx ugly) | 22:19 |
| frals | most likely yeah | 22:19 |
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| shvedsky | panaggio: gsoc doesn't have much traction in this channel, actually | 22:23 |
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| panaggio | shvedsky: is there any other channel where I can search for help on maemo-related gsoc projects? | 22:25 |
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| shvedsky | panaggio: if there is, I'm not aware of it (and I wrote an application!).. | 22:28 |
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| panaggio | shvedsky: ok. thanks anyway =) a friend told me vdvsx could help with this | 22:29 |
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| shvedsky | panaggio: I wish I had such friends! :-) | 22:34 |
| nidO | just ask what you need here | 22:34 |
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| shvedsky | ...and get no aswer | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | ~ping | 22:37 |
| infobot | ~pong | 22:37 |
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| konttori | frals: hscale.set_draw_value(False) did the trick. Now I just draw the value somewhere else (if I want) | 22:41 |
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| frals | konttori: :) | 22:44 |
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| trumee | anybody using sip over openvpn? | 22:44 |
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| * lcuk cries | 22:49 | |
| tripzero | ? | 22:50 |
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| Tester | trumee: I think there is a trick to make it work.. the sip thing only takes one ip address (but dont ask me what the trick is) | 22:51 |
| lcuk | tripzero, just frals etc picking on me | 22:51 |
| tripzero | oh, heh | 22:51 |
| tripzero | :P | 22:51 |
| lcuk | i'd tell my mum over them and stuff, but she will just agree with em :p | 22:51 |
| * frals comforts lcuk | 22:51 | |
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| panaggio | nidO: I don't know where to put my gsoc project on the wiki | 22:52 |
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| Jaffa | lizardo: No, not tried that | 22:57 |
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| lcuk | lizardo, you could or couldnt make it work? | 22:58 |
| Myrtti | whee, I see the docs have been uploaded | 22:58 |
| lcuk | we know its a c api | 22:58 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, indeed | 22:58 |
| lizardo | lcuk: I couldn't , feel free to try it... :D | 22:58 |
| lizardo | lcuk: and send us the C code! :D | 22:59 |
| lcuk | oooh i knew there was something, tracy got an n900 and she demanded - yes demanded - the manual for it. | 22:59 |
| lcuk | i thought of you :) | 22:59 |
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| lcuk | right lizardo ok | 22:59 |
| lcuk | i dont have full code, i do however know where theres an example app using the api in c | 22:59 |
| lcuk | (not so sure of example - but working using etc) | 22:59 |
| lcuk | in c | 22:59 |
| lizardo | lcuk: url? | 23:00 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, that n900 documentation comment was meant for you | 23:00 |
| Myrtti | ♥ | 23:00 |
| lcuk | big red lights stopped me, i immediately thought of you and needed to say thanks :) | 23:00 |
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| frals | o/ RevdKathy | 23:03 |
| RevdKathy | Hiya all | 23:03 |
| RevdKathy | Hi frals | 23:03 |
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| RevdKathy | I walk in and they all start leaving | 23:04 |
| Jaffa | Hi RevdKathy | 23:04 |
| frals | hehe | 23:04 |
| RevdKathy | Hi Jaffa. How's tricks? | 23:04 |
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| Jaffa | Busy :-/ | 23:05 |
| * Jaffa thinks the next MWKN issue is looking remarkably light | 23:06 | |
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| RevdKathy | Are you carrying Meego news as well, Jaffa? | 23:06 |
| Jaffa | RevdKathy: Yup | 23:06 |
| RevdKathy | There's a good dialogue going on what is the understanding of 'community' you could cover | 23:07 |
| * Jaffa reckons RevdKathy is perfect contributor material now ;-) | 23:08 | |
| frals | Jaffa: if you light on stuff you can mention http://blog.frals.se/2010/04/09/improvements-in-fmms-0-6-2/ ;-) | 23:08 |
| opdf2 | anone using nokia messageing on Tmobile USA? | 23:08 |
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| Jaffa | frals: Indeed :-) | 23:09 |
| RevdKathy | The debate appears to be about what to call the forum, Jaffa, but it's atually about different people's understandings of what community actually *is* | 23:09 |
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| Jaffa | RevdKathy: Oh, you mean Texrat's "exclude the word 'work'" thread? | 23:10 |
| RevdKathy | yep, that one Jaffa | 23:10 |
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| lcuk | lizardo, i forgot, checked with author (workmate who developers abook) and this is a public tho unadvertised usage http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=user/bari/jid-to-email.git;a=blob;f=jid-to-email.c;h=cc461deb8fa02530c95c709cae51b2151b63a307;hb=master | 23:15 |
| lcuk | or something like that | 23:15 |
| lcuk | heya RevdKathy \o | 23:15 |
| opdf2 | i totally dont see Nokia Messaging under email providers... | 23:15 |
| RevdKathy | Hi lcuk. I didnt fart yet. | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, keep it that way | 23:16 |
| RevdKathy | I will. Just came from dance class - pelvic floor in tip top shape | 23:16 |
| nomis | grgh. Random FAT corruption. WTF? | 23:17 |
| * Myrtti got that yesterday on her ebook reader | 23:17 | |
| thresh | three letters fully explain what's going on. | 23:18 |
| thresh | F. A. T. | 23:18 |
| nomis | File Allocation Thrash? | 23:18 |
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| nomis | 23:19 | |
| SpeedEvil | Faith Atomic Chicken? | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | Farts are Toxic | 23:22 |
| RevdKathy | Fresh Air Totally | 23:25 |
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| inz | Failing Acronyms Team | 23:31 |
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| mikki-kun | hi uhm | 23:31 |
| mikki-kun | if i use the backup-tool and backup my communcation and calender, will my conversations be also backed up? | 23:32 |
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| MohammadAG_ | yes | 23:32 |
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| pwnguin | anyone looked into the BT audio stack to see if it supports direct mp3? | 23:33 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: thanks :) | 23:33 |
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| opdf2 | nm i used an AT&T sim card to "unlock" Nokia messaging. I guess Nokia messaging will not show up under Tmobile USA | 23:33 |
| pwnguin | im looking to pick up some headphones and they claim to support SBC and MP3 | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | np :) | 23:34 |
| mikki-kun | *hard resetting my n900* | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | mikki-kun, flashing the rootfs should also keep the convos | 23:34 |
| mikki-kun | convos? | 23:34 |
| mikki-kun | ahhh | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | conversations | 23:34 |
| mikki-kun | well, i flash both, rootfs and emmc | 23:34 |
| pwnguin | i guess it would be difficult for pulseaudio alone to handle it | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh ok | 23:35 |
| mikki-kun | yeah, sometimes i am a lil slow thinking ^^ | 23:35 |
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| mikki-kun | but then i get it | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol it's not a well known term anyways | 23:35 |
| mikki-kun | still, most abbreviations (spelled correct? - suppose no ^^) should be self-explaning | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | abbreviations* | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | gotta love spelling corrections xD | 23:37 |
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| mikki-kun | suppose i spelled it right then :D | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol I just wrote it again and spell checked :p | 23:42 |
| mikki-kun | yay \o/ suppose my english isn't that bad after all then ^^ | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | I think operators typically have exclusive rights to nokia messaging in a specific country | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | but i'm not sure | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | yep, not sure about the N900 nm, but yes it can controlled by operators | 23:45 |
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| lizardo | lcuk: hmm, I don't see any calls to osso_abook_query_phone_number() on that URL... will look on the other C files though :) | 23:47 |
| lizardo | tks anyway | 23:47 |
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| lizardo | lcuk: oops, only one C file :/ | 23:47 |
| lcuk | lizardo, it may not have specific call in but its got everything required to talk with api as intended, i havent looked fully myself tho yet | 23:48 |
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| lizardo | lcuk: the problem is... the examples on the Maemo 5 dev guide all work (even from python) , but that function in particular I could not get to work... | 23:49 |
| lizardo | lcuk: I mean, basic contacts listing and access work just fine | 23:49 |
| lizardo | lcuk: the "problem" (well at least I think) is searches by phone number | 23:49 |
| * MohammadAG_ looks at the 1.7GHz N900 and sighs | 23:49 | |
| lcuk | ok lizardo then can you do me a favour | 23:49 |
| mikki-kun | hm, regarding the flasher... so, my device is turned off, i charge it, till it's full, take the powercord off, hold the u button of the n900's keyboard, plug the usb in and then the flashing should start? | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | could you put a test case together of correct expected usage so we can file proper bug? | 23:50 |
| mikki-kun | 1.7Ghz?! | 23:50 |
| mikki-kun | ö.ö | 23:50 |
| PhonicUK | wtf? 1.7GHz? | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | http://theunlockr.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/N900-1700mhz.jpg | 23:50 |
| PhonicUK | did someone break one open and stick some LN2 on it? | 23:50 |
| PhonicUK | ROFL | 23:50 |
| KMFDM | wtf how | 23:51 |
| KMFDM | lol giant cooler | 23:51 |
| lizardo | lcuk: sure , once I find it :) (it was a long time ago, I remembered because of frals request) | 23:51 |
| PhonicUK | is the N900 'opened up' behind there? | 23:52 |
| PhonicUK | or is it just on the battery cover | 23:52 |
| nidO | probably | 23:52 |
| lcuk | lizardo, ahh - either way, (if it works now even better) if we can get example together for frals benefit it would be superb | 23:52 |
| Arkenoi | still no native mms support in 1.2? omfg | 23:52 |
| lcuk | do you have 1.2? | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | PhonicUK: it's a fake | 23:52 |
| PhonicUK | ah | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | Arkenklo, there isn't going to be MMS | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, ? | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | (09:50:36 PM) MohammadAG_: http://theunlockr.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/N900-1700mhz.jpg | 23:53 |
| lizardo | frals: one option is to iterate over the contacts like in aggregator_ready_cb() on that lcuk link.,.. have to go now | 23:53 |
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| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, yes I know, how'd you know it was fake? | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | (not arguing btw) | 23:53 |
| javispedro | want to see my 3,77 Thz N900? | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | the person that created it was discussing it. | 23:54 |
| javispedro | 3,777 Thz ;) | 23:54 |
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| MohammadAG_ | javispedro, sure ;) | 23:54 |
| PhonicUK | Wanna see my N900 with an AMD Phenom quad core inside? It runs windows Vista and I added an extra TB of storage | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | I saw a photo where N900 was strapped to that same cooler, and it said ">9000" for CPU speed :D | 23:54 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: you patch conky yourself | 23:55 |
| javispedro | :P | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | LOL | 23:55 |
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| MohammadAG_ | it's kind of fail... | 23:55 |
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| lcuk | i was wondering when the first liquidcooled mobile phone would emerge. | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | wonder if it would work with toilet water? | 23:56 |
| javispedro | steve jobs will invent that | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, Q3 :p | 23:56 |
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| MohammadAG_ | javispedro, it would be using apple juice then :) | 23:57 |
| PhonicUK | javispedro, no - he'd wait till someone else did it first in a better device, then claim it was "new and innovative" in apples new device | 23:57 |
| PhonicUK | which will cost 3x as much, have 1/2 the features, and will sell millions | 23:57 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG_, apple juice looks like pee too | 23:57 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, we gots shouted at | 23:57 |
| lcuk | it was your fault | 23:57 |
| RevdKathy | I saw. Naturally my fault | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | "Cool your iPhone 4GS by urinating" lcuk | 23:58 |
| RevdKathy | I have broad shoulders. I can take the blame | 23:58 |
| lcuk | infact, lets blame texrat - he aint here to protest :D | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | It's gonna be magical! | 23:58 |
| nidO | who shouted? | 23:58 |
| RevdKathy | Nah. I'll take the blame, and log off to bd and sob myself to sleep | 23:58 |
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| lcuk | "boo hooo *PARPPPPPPPPPP* sob" | 23:59 |
| RevdKathy | Who did the Paddington pic? | 23:59 |
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