IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-04-09

MohammadAGif you don't have input there, add it00:00
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PhonicUKyup thats what its set to00:00
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MohammadAGPhonicUK, does the BT icon change into blue?00:00
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PhonicUKah its sprung into life!00:00
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PhonicUKyou have to unplug the controller from the USB before it will work xD00:01
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slingrdoes anyone know of anything like hamachi for the n900... i used to use hamachi but since they upgraded to hamachi2 they don't have a linux client00:01
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PhonicUKwoooo this is awesome with picodrive :D00:05
silbowoo woo00:06
PhonicUKnow to plug it into my TV...00:06
PhonicUKis it me or does the daemon eat a fair amount of CPU time...00:07
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PhonicUKand causing the emus to run slower00:07
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PhonicUKnope just needed a reboot :D00:12
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PhonicUKplaying sonic on my tv, brb - nostalgia trip00:12
Sceltcan't find chrome from the devel repo00:12
jacekowskijust get packages from
jacekowskiyou need both of them00:13
djkrikkeHi guys, I'm trying to update "FreOffice" but getting dependency problems, someone could help me understand what's going wrong, so I can fix them myself in the future?
ShadowJKdjkrikke, you're using extras-devel/testing00:14
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Sceltjacekowski: oknpthx00:14
ShadowJKand FreeOffice uses qt00:14
djkrikkeShadowJK, that's correct00:15
ShadowJKMost qt things in extras-devel and -testing is broken00:15
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djkrikkenot a problem at this time00:15
djkrikkebut this will be automagically fixed in the future I assume?00:15
jacekowskiwhat sort of processing power builder have?00:15
slingrwhat is picodrive00:16
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Sceltjacekowski: damn, I haven't yet installed that deb installer. what's the best? that easy deb?00:16
ShadowJKdjkrikke, yes. extras-devel is getting ready for the next firmware release00:17
MohammadAGumm, how do I apply a .diff file to a folder?00:17
jacekowskiScelt: you don't need it00:17
djkrikkeShadowJK, no problem at all then. Any idea on when the migration will be complete, couple of weeks?00:17
jacekowskiScelt: easydebian is just a debian chroot00:17
jacekowskiScelt: and these files are native maemo builds00:18
Sceltjacekowski: hmph, libxss installation failed but maybe i try again00:18
jacekowskiScelt: you just need to insteal them from terminal00:18
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Sceltjacekowski: oh, okay00:18
Sceltjacekowski: basic dpkg -i?00:18
lcukjacekowski, "diff -r dir1 dir2"  theres other options for diff which might be required "man diff"00:18
jacekowskisudo dpkg -i libxss...00:18
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ShadowJKdjkrikke, it's not really a migration... Basically apps in -devel are getting built for the next firmware, and apps incompatible with current release are blocked from reaching extras.. When the new firmware upgrade arrives, your phone will be able to upgrade freoffice too00:19
Sceltdamn I wish xterm woudl remember more than 15 lines of shell history00:19
jacekowskiit's not xterm00:20
jacekowskiit's busybox00:20
Sceltit says "X Terminal" bu tokay00:20
jacekowskiand it can be changed00:20
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Sceltthat 15? from where?00:20
MohammadAGgconf afaik00:20
jacekowskii mean, it's not xterm that remembers history00:20
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Sceltor oh yes00:20
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jacekowskiexport HISTSIZE=100000:21
jacekowskiand add it to .profile00:21
ShadowJKIt's mostly qt apps that break on crrent firmware, because nokia is bringing us a new qt, same e as MeeGo is going to have, for increased compatibility with MeeGo :) In order to give app devs a head-start, extras-devel was switched to the new stuff recently..00:21
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Sceltjacekowski: no .profile? just create one?00:22
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Sceltin home00:22
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jacekowskior .bashrc00:23
slingrtouch .bashrc00:23
Scelttouch .me00:23
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slingri felt so good at school yesterday00:23
slingri'm not even in the security course yet00:24
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slingrand i was helping students in 3rd year break into the solaris boxes00:24
slingrin the hacker lab00:24
DocScrutinizerkick friggin messybox, get a decent real shell00:24
mgedminI have ash history working, btw00:25
mgedmin... I think00:25
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DocScrutinizerI had a real bash working00:25
Scelthmph, why I don't see it in env anyhow00:25
slingrwhat would you recommand Doc00:25
DocScrutinizerapt-get install bash00:26
mgedminoh, right!  if I close the xterm, ash dies uncleanly and doesn't write the history file; if I ctrl-d in a term, then it saves history00:26
SceltDocScrutinizer: how I make it default?00:26
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microlithinstalling bash is nice, but not having all the associated utilities is meh :/00:28
DocScrutinizernot recommended (at least for user) - rumor has it it will bork your boot. Just change your xterm .desktop to start bash in a terminal00:28
Sceltjacekowski: nice job with chromium o/00:28
SceltDocScrutinizer: okaydokay, thanks!00:28
jacekowskiScelt: there is still a lot of work to be done00:28
Sceltjacekowski: yeah, sure00:29
DocScrutinizeryep, e.g apt-get install findutils00:29
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slingrwill a firmware reinstall wipe my device completely?  I got my n900 used and it has 2 previous owners00:30
SceltDocScrutinizer: where do i find .desktops again?00:30
slingri wanna wipe it and start fresh00:30
jacekowskiScelt: i'm not sure how much stuff i've broken while trying to make it compile00:30
Sceltjacekowski: :]00:30
mgedminslingr, sure, flash the rootfs and the eMMC and it'll be as new00:30
mgedminthe only thing remembered after reflashing is the device lock code, I think00:30
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slingrshould i just use nokia's update software to do this?00:31
DocScrutinizerScelt: forgot, sorry. find / | grep .desktop00:31
opdf2soo, just got my n900, updated it. cant find moka messanger though. I'm on Tmobile USA00:31
opdf2ive heard other people got issues as well00:32
opdf2its new account-> account provider->nokia messanger00:32
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MohammadAGgrr, can't patch a damn .diff00:34
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lcukw00t_, you floating00:34
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* javispedro has hearth attack00:35
javispedrowhile reading a quite depressing tmo post :)00:35
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SceltDocScrutinizer: thx00:35
javispedro heh.00:36
javispedrocan i has windows xp no you need ntfs kernel modules00:36
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Sceltfuck, my phone freezed00:37
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SceltI just saved the desktop file :P00:38
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SceltDocScrutinizer: lemme out a little more. Exec="/usr... bash" didn't turn out. what I did wrong?00:40
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slingrhe'll be back00:41
mgedminScelt, pastebin your full desktop file please00:41
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mgedminor copy an existing gone, like mc00:42
mgedminwhich does Exec=osso-xterm -e mc, so I suspect you want Exec=osso-xterm -e bash00:43
mgedminbut then again I don't know what you're trying to achieve here, just guessing00:43
Scelti think you're right00:43
Sceltwith -e00:43
Sceltbut hey, my phone freezed the second time already00:44
Sceltafter nano save & close00:44
MohammadAGit's /bin/bash not /usr/bash00:44
SceltMohammadAG: I meant /usr/bin/osso-xterm bash00:44
Sceltjust shortened it00:44
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Sceltbut now my phone is dead again so waiting for reboot00:45
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Sceltwhat a powerful app that nano is00:45
* MohammadAG concurs00:45
MohammadAGI think the new nano supports syntax highlighting00:45
Sceltand killing n90000:46
mgedminwhich must be overheating the CPU, clearly00:46
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mgedminor maybe filling up all the RAM00:46
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MohammadAGScelt, give it time00:46
MohammadAGwhen you save the .desktop file the menu gets regenerated00:46
jacekowskiScelt: chrome?00:47
MohammadAGjacekowski, nano (editing .desktop file)00:47
Sceltjacekowski: didn't open up chrome after first freeze00:47
SceltMohammadAG: oh, okay :D00:47
jacekowskii'm running sunspider on it00:47
SceltMohammadAG: that may explain something00:47
jacekowskiand it's slow00:47
MohammadAGsolarion, I ask again, how do I patch a folder with a .diff file?00:48
Sceltno I saved it again00:48
mgedminScelt, also, no -e in your Exec line?00:48
jacekowskipatch -p1 < aaa.diff00:48
MohammadAGpatch -p1 <.diff> isn't working00:48
Sceltmgedmin: Exec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm -e bash00:48
MohammadAGoh, the <00:48
jacekowskijust one <00:48
Sceltmgedmin: that's the line now00:48
MohammadAGmine was for reference, I didn't even use it00:49
MohammadAGthanks jacekowski00:49
Sceltmgedmin: not working00:49
jacekowskii know i'm great00:49
jacekowskii had quite good week00:49
* mgedmin shrugs00:49
mgedminbtw what does "not working" mean?00:49
mgedminterminal doesn't open?00:49
mgedminopens with an error message?00:49
Sceltit does but no bash00:49
mgedminopens and closes immediatelly?00:49
SceltI tried from terminal now00:49
mgedminopens and has ash running?00:50
Scelt/usr/bin/osso-xterm bash00:50
Sceltand it worked fine00:50
Sceltnow trying to edit .desktop-file00:50
Sceltnot working meant opening and running ash00:50
Sceltthe freeze really was about menu refresh :P fuck, I'm getting too impatient00:51
Sceltand swearing all the time. sorry00:51
* MohammadAG gets some soap00:51
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Sceltmgedmin: so I'm editing osso-xterm.desktop to get bash up and running from shortcut00:51
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Sceltni /usr/share/applications/hildon/osso-xterm.desktop00:52
jacekowskijs performance is a disaster00:52
Sceltin I meant00:52
MohammadAGit's either nano or vi not both lol00:52
SceltI'm just thinking if that's the right file at all00:53
jacekowskii've tested javascript performance00:54
Sceltdamn, I'm editing the menu shortcut. I think00:54
jacekowskion v8 benchmark00:54
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mgedminScelt, and lauching from a desktop shortcut?00:54
jacekowskiit's about 3000 on my desktop on opera00:54
Sceltmgedmin: yeah00:54
mgedminheh, cool00:54
mgedminplausible answer00:54
jacekowskiand about 100 on chrome on n90000:54
Sceltmgedmin: but where I can find desktop shortcut then?00:55
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jacekowskiand about 15 on microb00:55
lardmanevening chaps00:55
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mgedminScelt, hm, actually they're the same, AFAICS00:56
jacekowskiso chrome performance compared to microb is great00:56
mgedminthere's a gconf key that lists all the desktop files added as shortcuts to the desktop00:56
jacekowskibut not even close to desktop performance00:56
mgedminplus some extra keys that detail which desktop and at what coordinates00:56
jacekowskiScelt: what are you doing00:57
Sceltmgedmin: :( what's wrong then00:57
jacekowskiScelt: i had quite a bit of trouble with .desktop files today00:57
mgedminScelt, perhaps osso-xterm is already running in the background00:57
Sceltjacekowski: making the xterm run as bash on startup00:57
SpeedEviljacekowski: can you do some other tests? How long does frontpages of slashdot, ebay, ... take to render?00:57
Sceltmgedmin: njet00:57
mgedminScelt, so the desktop file tells it to open a new window instead of starting a new app with the right command line00:57
mgedminor maybe when X-Osso-Service is specified maemo ignores the Exec line altogether?00:58
Sceltshould it be Exec=... or Exec="..."00:58
mgedminI bet that's it00:58
Sceltthen I comment it00:58
mgedminor edit /usr/share/dbus-1/services/osso-xterm.service instead00:59
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Sceltmaybe not00:59
Scelttoo afraid00:59
mgedminthere's also the chsh option: change your shell in /etc/passwd00:59
mgedminI'm also too scared to accidentally break something by doing that ;)00:59
mgedminso I live with busybox sh00:59
Sceltdocman said it may cause trouble00:59
mgedminhave you got mc installed?00:59
mgedminit has a working desktop file that opens an xterm with mc running inside01:00
SceltI have to ask "mc?" so I bet not01:00
mgedminyou could create a bash.desktop doing the same thing01:00
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MohammadAGmidnight commander01:00
mgedminmc is a fun xterm file manager01:00
mgedminmore useful over ssh than from xterm01:00
MohammadAGpure xterm is more fun01:00
mgedminpure xterm is like navigating a house  with your eyes closed: fun, but not quick01:00
Sceltmgedmin: #X-osso-service <301:01
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mgedmincurious: if you try to use the xterm launcher more than once, will it open several xterms now?01:02
mgedminordinarily it would just bring the already-running xterm window to the foreground01:02
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Sceltdoes the same01:02
Sceltopen the already open01:02
MohammadAG<mgedmin> pure xterm is like navigating a house  with your eyes closed: fun, but not quick01:02
Sceltgood english01:02
MohammadAGbut it's still fun :P01:02
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mgedminhas anybody ported any interactive fiction games for maemo?01:03
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b-man|laptopwell, if you know linux like i do - using the raw terminal is just at home as using emelfm2 xD01:04
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Sceltmgedmin: thanks for your help!01:04
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Sceltirreco would be more useful if the ir wasn't so weak01:05
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MohammadAGScelt, it's not weak, it's directional01:05
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SceltMohammadAG: both01:05
b-man|laptopand if you know the terminal, it's not like navigating around a house with your eyes closed ;P01:05
MohammadAGonly works if I'm pointing in a straight line, but it works from a long distance (my trip to the mall proved it)01:06
Sceltand lirc daemon doesn't run on it's own01:06
SceltI have to run it from terminal01:06
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Sceltthen I forget to stop it and my battery drains01:06
* lardman mutters to himself about the general crapness of Ovi Maps01:06
Sceltlardman: waiting for the ovi maps 301:07
* MohammadAG tells lardman to go buy sygic01:07
MohammadAGScelt, keep dreaming :P01:07
lardmanScelt: no idea, but it's really rubbish now that I've had to use the current version01:07
lardmanMohammadAG: buy! no chance, I'll write my own01:07
Sceltgot 3 in my N82. it's great01:07
MohammadAGlardman, then buy it for free :P01:08
lardmanjust. need. digital. compass.01:08
slingri really want sygic but its too expensive for me right now01:08
MohammadAGlardman, solder one01:09
lardmanis there a HowTo yet?01:09
MohammadAGjust rip a hole in the battery cover and solder it01:09
MohammadAGoh btw it would be analogue, but should work01:09
lardmanyeah, but what component and where to solder it and has someone sorted out drivers yet, etc01:10
MohammadAGlardman, not really, just buy a compass and solder it01:10
MohammadAGthen flip the N900 to look at the direction and flip it back to adjust maps01:11
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lardmannot quite what I want here01:11
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lardmani.e. augmented reality apps01:12
jacekowskiTomaszD: ty mi powiedz01:12
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mgedminb-man|laptop, my point was that in xterm you don't see what files are in $PWD unless you explicitly reach out and fell around you with 'ls'01:12
jacekowskiTomaszD: co ja zle zrobilem ze paczka jest w a nie ma jej w app managerze01:13
jacekowskiTomaszD: i w Packages jej nie ma01:13
b-man|laptopmgedmin: that's true01:13
TomaszDjacekowski, wygląda OK, nie wiem, może autobuilder się zepsuł, a czemu non-free?01:14
jacekowskibo to recznie budowalem01:14
jacekowskibo nie chcialem przez autobuildera puszczac01:14
mgedminfwiw I rarely bother to launch mc these days, but it's still perfect for a few use cases, like comparing two directories, or diving inside a .deb to have a look01:14
jacekowskibo to nijak nie kompatybilne01:14
jacekowskiwiec na razie taki proof-of-concept ze sie da01:14
jacekowskia teraz hakuje porzadna paczke01:14
TomaszDjacekowski, nie wiem jak jest z polityką non-free, pytałeś się admina repo X-Fade ?01:15
Proteousor sshing into another box and runing irssi and mutt01:15
jacekowskinie ma go01:15
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Proteousor running nmap01:15
Proteousor metasploit01:15
jacekowskiTomaszD: raczej wydaje mi sie ze popsulem paczke01:15
TomaszDno to musisz na niego poczekać :) jak puścisz przez autobuilder to się pojawi01:15
jacekowskia ty wiesz co to za maszyna jest?01:16
jacekowskibo mi sie na dosyc powaznym serwerze 2h ponad budowalo01:16
TomaszDo to się nie martw.01:16
jacekowskipytanie teraz - jak ja chce paczke to ona musi byc autotoolsowa?01:17
ProteousI canmt take seriusly any language that uses that many z's y's and w's01:17
b-man|laptopgah, i don't understand a word of this lol01:17
TomaszDalright alright...01:17
TomaszDjacekowski, I've no idea about autotools being somehow required, I don't think so01:18
javispedrostop complaining, curiosity won here and I already used google translator :)01:18
Sceltyeah \o/01:18
jacekowskigoogle translator fails on something like that01:18
jacekowskiwell google translator fails on polish01:19
Sceltno mieti jos puhuttais suomea. ei kai tästäkään tolkkua saa. osaiskohan googlekaan käännellä?01:19
mgedminkaip linksma ir smagu girdėti daug kalbų!01:19
javispedroprobably, but there's not enough stuff to criticise about extras to make understanding any discussion a hard exercise  >:)01:19
SceltYou just went over the line, man. Klingon is prohibited!01:19
mgedminthis is going into my signature file01:19
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Sceltmgedmin: what language?01:20
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mgedminoh, right, my shiny maemo IRC cloak obscures my hostname, which ends in .lt01:20
b-man|laptoplol, tłumacze są niesamowite! xD01:20
Sceltjacekowski: I visited Poland last year's summer... or maybe it was a year before that. but anyhow, your driving culture is insane!01:20
mgedminalthough sitting in #ubuntu-lt is a dead giveaway01:21
Sceltmgedmin:  WHOIS This command could not be completed because it has been used recently, and is rate-limited.01:21
* mgedmin drove through Poland twice, it was an unforgettable experience01:21
Sceltthe taxi drivers are awful01:21
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mgedmintruck drivers are scary, when they're overtaking each other in a narrow two-lane country road01:22
b-man|laptopScelt: what did they do to you? xD01:22
TomaszDoh come on, it's not that bad01:22
Sceltb-man|laptop: drive too madly. they drive like there's no tomorrow.01:22
jacekowskican anybody with fresh scratchbox show me result of /usr/include/01:23
b-man|laptopScelt: hey, at least they get there fast! xD01:23
jacekowskifind /usr/include/01:23
Sceltb-man|laptop: yeah, sure. if they get there...01:23
TomaszDif you want really bad driving, go to south africa, we're a bit better over here :P01:24
SceltI can take the highspeed and overtakings, but when driver seems to scare too, it's going off the limits01:24
SceltTomaszD: at least they don't go so fast with donkeys :D01:24
jacekowskiScelt: the most scarry thing happened to me in UK01:25
Sceltjacekowski: tell me more01:25
jacekowskiScelt: i was doing steady 90mph01:25
TomaszDheh, already illegal, but do go on01:25
jacekowskiand there was like a hill with a bend01:25
jacekowskiand somebody was overtaking huge lorry01:26
b-man|laptopi see where this is going! :D01:26
jacekowskiand he was probably doing another 90mph as well01:26
TomaszDso the scary thing was you not adjusting your speed to road conditions, ok01:26
TomaszDand doing way over the limit01:26
jacekowskispeed limit on that road was 6001:26
Sceltbtw, are they really using mph in UK too? I thought only USA and that one african country used them anymore01:27
jacekowskiso that wouldn't be that much difference01:27
SpeedEvil_speed limits are not recommended speeds.01:27
jacekowskiScelt: yep, we are using miles here01:27
Sceltjacekowski: you in UK?01:27
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jacekowskiSpeedEvil_: i know, it's minimum speed on the road01:27
Sceltgoing 30 miles (~50 kmh) over the speed limit would end up losing the driving card in Finland01:28
TomaszDwe treat the speed "limits" as vague suggestions over here01:28
TomaszDyou have a case in point in the story01:28
jacekowskiScelt: here the same01:28
jacekowskiScelt: if you get caught01:28
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Sceltjacekowski: yeah, if :)01:29
b-man|laptop"we suggest 30mph, but you can go 60 if you want" LOL01:29
TomaszDno, you don't lose your license if you go 50kmh over the speed limit jacekowski, or are you talking about UK?01:29
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jacekowskiwell you don't lose it01:29
jacekowskiyou go to court01:29
jacekowskisomebody at work did it01:30
b-man|laptopsame in the US01:30
Sceltbut still. we Finns drive pretty nicely after all. Going 140 kmh when limit is 120 kmh and stuff like that, when you get away with a general ticket and maximum of 115 euro payment01:30
jacekowskibut he was doing over 110 mph on a bike01:30
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jacekowski( he overtook undercover police car while training pursuit )01:30
jacekowskihe got arrested01:31
jacekowskiwent to court01:31
jacekowskiand left with month ban01:31
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TomaszDgod damn, I hope you don't speak the same way as you write, because you seem to have a general aversion towards articles, sorry, I can't get over it01:32
Sceltsomewhere in Lapland I could drive really over the limits but not here. Police is everywhere and I don't wanna lose my license. it costs too much01:32
b-man|laptopjacekowski: where i'm at, if your pulled over for speeding and your under 18, you automatically loose you license until your 1801:32
Sceltb-man|laptop: we also get one year ban for getting one01:33
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SpeedEvil_There is the alternative speed regulation of course.01:35
SpeedEvil_Fuel costing 1.20 pounds a litre01:35
crashanddieno it doesn't01:35
crashanddieit's barely $1 per litre!01:36
jacekowskiand i still remember when it used to be under 1 pound01:36
SpeedEvil_($8/us gallon)01:36
Sceltjacekowski: we shall thank the yankees for that01:36
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jacekowskiwell but our's is 95 and yours is 87 i think01:36
Scelt87 :-D01:36
jacekowskithat's why us cars use mor fuel01:37
jacekowskiand it works out at about same price per km01:37
crashanddieSpeedEvil_: I suddenly realise how deranged Australia is. Dollars, but litres.01:37
Sceltwe have 95, 98 and V-POWER WROOM WROOM01:37
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jacekowskiyeah we have 97 and v-power01:37
* b-man|laptop wants a smart car01:37
crashanddieanyway, if this is going to become an anti-american discussion, I'm off to work01:37
Sceltwe didn't get there yet!01:38
lardmanhey and bye crashanddie"01:38
Sceltwell, I better get to sleep then01:38
Scelteveryone has a place to go01:38
crashanddieyo lardman01:38
Sceltg'nights you little nerdieboys01:39
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mece~seen Cpasjuste01:41
infobotcpasjuste <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 2h 56m 44s ago, saying: 'actually i'm trying to see why the "flasher" utility do not work from script'.01:41
mece22 days ago ey01:41
jacekowskican anybody send me result of find /usr/include in armel scratchbox?01:41
mecejacekowski, sure.. but I have lots of stuff installed that isn't there from scratch (pun intended)01:43
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jacekowskii need somebody with virgin scratchbox01:47
javispedromay I ask why?01:48
jacekowskibecause i copied lot of files by hand to /usr/include01:48
jacekowskito make chrome compile01:48
meceI can't believe I actually managed to improve something!01:48
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MohammadAGjacekowski, just unpack the rootstrap01:49
jacekowskiit will not delete additional files01:49
MohammadAGthen rm -r /usr/lib and unpack01:49
jacekowskithat's asking for a disaster01:50
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meceunpack it somewhere else01:50
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lardmannight all01:50
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jacekowskithat's what i'm going to do01:50
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jacekowskiwell, there are some files that are not in rootstrap and are not created by me01:55
djkrikkeis there any way to repeat sms alerts on the n900?01:55
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w00t_I really hate moments where I realise I've written 200 lines of code that I didn't need to write02:07
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MohammadAG<jacekowski> well, there are some files that are not in rootstrap and are not created by me02:13
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Treibholzis pulseaudio playing the audio-files?02:14
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* w00t_ has working comments read support in facebrick now \o/02:15
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* MohammadAG pings X-Fade and asks him to change the maintainer of
javispedroanybody can request being a maintainer of it02:21
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MohammadAGjavispedro, how?02:21
javispedrologin, visit that page, click "request"02:21
MohammadAGw00t_, ^ :)02:21
* w00t_ does02:22
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MohammadAGI wanted to change maintainers not add w00t_ lol02:24
MohammadAGw00t_, is there a request to remove me?02:25
javispedrodoubt it02:25
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* w00t_ looks02:25
w00t_doesn't look like it02:26
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MohammadAGw00t_, there, that's in the logs02:27
MohammadAGif you find anyone to fix it :)02:27
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w00t_stay connected02:28
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ptl_demands_PR12jacekowski: chromium still does not show up, you know what's going on? And btw, did you use 'user/network' instead of 'network' for chromium to appear in HAM?02:36
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slingrsomeone sent me a list of good repositories to add yesterday but i didn't bookmark it02:38
slingranyone have the link?02:38
infobotextras is, like,
MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, he used user/network02:39
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ptl_demands_PR12slingr: it was me, hold on.02:40
jacekowskiptl_demands_PR12: i'm making proper package now anyways02:40
ptl_demands_PR12MohammadAG: cool. But why chromium still does not appear?02:40
ptl_demands_PR12jacekowski: ok...02:40
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ptl_demands_PR12jacekowski: don't forget to bump the version so you can deprecate your old package :)02:41
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jacekowskithat's a little bit of a problem02:41
MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, don't give out links to -devel / SDK repos without warnings!02:42
MohammadAGoh and no idea :)02:42
slingrthanks ptl02:42
jacekowskibecause i've used 5.0.369.2 as version02:43
jacekowskiwhich is source chrome version02:43
slingrso would i find things liek nano in the maemo tools repo?02:43
ptl_demands_PR12MohammadAG: sorry. :) next time will do02:43
ptl_demands_PR12slingr: as MohammadAG said, when you use extra repositories, you risk bricking your device, so take care!!02:43
slingryeah, i had the n810 for years and i have quite a few years of debian experience.. so i'm not _too_ worried02:44
MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, extras is defined by default I think02:44
jacekowskii forgot about one library that it depends on02:44
ptl_demands_PR12jacekowski: you should have added a 'package' version, like chromium-5.0.369.2-102:44
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ptl_demands_PR12slingr: ok :)02:44
jacekowskithat package is just a disaster02:45
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MohammadAG50MBs of it02:45
ptl_demands_PR12weird; mine worked without that library, only libxss02:45
ptl_demands_PR12I guess I had to use it if I went to a https page02:45
bullet`hello room02:45
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jacekowskisomething like that02:45
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jacekowskiptl_demands_PR12: i know that it was using headers from it02:46
jacekowskii think library is installed by default02:46
jacekowskiMohammadAG: 50M02:46
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jacekowskiit's 20 here02:47
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MohammadAGyou said the library was 5002:47
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jacekowskithat's whole package02:47
jacekowskinot just library02:47
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jacekowskiit's sleep time02:47
MohammadAGjacekowski, before you go02:47
jacekowskii've sleept less than 10h in last 3 days02:48
MohammadAGthe debian/optify file02:48
MohammadAGdoes it need something to be applied?02:48
ptl_demands_PR12good sleep!02:48
jacekowskii've got no idea02:48
MohammadAGnight then :)02:48
jacekowskii just made it to work off /opt02:48
MohammadAGmanual optification02:48
MohammadAGthat's a PITA lol02:48
ptl_demands_PR12does anyone use LyX here?02:49
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grishnavi think i hate upstart02:50
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jacekowskii hate it as well02:51
jacekowskimy kubuntu is broken because of it02:51
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grishnavis there some secret magic to getting upstart to start a daemon on startup?02:51
grishnavit simply _will not_ start my VPN02:51
grishnavon startup, that is02:51
jacekowski /etc/event.d02:52
grishnavi put a file in there for it02:52
grishnavand if i use start openvpn02:52
grishnavit works fine02:52
grishnavbut i want it to happen automatically02:52
jacekowskiwhat's a content of your file02:52
slingris maemo's repositories held somewhere different? i see nothing in the /etc/apt/sources.list02:53
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MohammadAGuse tab02:54
grishnavjacekowski: /msg'd02:54
MohammadAGit starts with hildon02:54
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ptl_demands_PR12grishnav: you have to specify when it's supposed to start... "start on (something)"02:54
grishnavptl_demands_PR12: it is... start on stopped rcS, just like sshd02:54
grishnavi've also tried start on runlevel [2345] and start on startup02:54
grishnavand all those together02:54
ptl_demands_PR12runlevels won't work02:54
grishnavwell what does? there doesn't seem to be a list of events anywhere...02:55
MohammadAGjacekowski, go to bed :P02:56
ptl_demands_PR12maybe it starts but bails out since the network is not on yet when you turn on the device, grishnav02:56
grishnavopenvpn (stop) waiting02:57
grishnavptl_demands_PR12: could be, but it shouldn't. openvpn will just set there and recycle itself in the absence of a network connection02:57
grishnavplus, respawn is on02:57
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jacekowskigood night02:58
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ptl_demands_PR12try start on started hildon-desktop02:58
grishnavi tried that one too, but let me try it again02:58
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grishnavis there a network even of some sort?02:59
jacekowskii really like a way how porn mode works in new opera02:59
jacekowskinot like firefox that it switches whole browser to porn mode02:59
jacekowskiit's just specific tabs02:59
adalalporn mode?03:00
adalallike the invisible mode on google chrome?03:00
grishnavadalal: incognito/etc.03:00
adalalah yeah03:00
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ptl_demands_PR12grishnav: do you have an 'exec' line like exec /etc/init.d/vpnclient start03:01
jacekowskiit's called private tab in opera03:01
grishnavptl_demands_PR12: yup03:01
grishnavexec /usr/sbin/openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/vpn.conf03:01
grishnavholy eff03:02
grishnavptl_demands_PR12: starting after hildon did it03:02
grishnavdon't know how or why, not entirely sure i care03:02
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ptl_demands_PR12good :D03:02
grishnavptl_demands_PR12: thanks! <303:02
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crashanddie"A few hundred warehouse workers and drivers at Danish brewer Carlsberg halted work for a second day on Thursday to protest a company decision to limit beer drinking at work to lunch breaks."03:10
crashanddieAnd this is what they believe is unfair: "There has been free beer, water and soft drinks everywhere," he said. "Yesterday, beers were removed from all refrigerators. The only place you can get a beer in future is in the canteen, at lunch."03:11
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Testerwell, they should be proud of their products.. that would be like Nokia forbidding their employes from using their phones at work!03:11
crashanddieexcept using your phones doesn't make you drunk03:12
Testerwhats wrong with office drinking ?03:12
crashanddieSo you believe employees at a pharmaceutical company have an inate right to get high during hours?03:12
Testerwhy not ?03:12
crashanddiestop trolling03:12
TesterI certainly use my company's products at work03:12
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ptl_demands_PR12It would be nice if this reasoning was applied to weapon's manufacturers or the Big Pharmaceutical companies03:13
ptl_demands_PR12I mean. NOT nice.03:14
crashanddieyou should've said you were being sarcastic03:15
crashanddie"The Reuters Ipsos poll of 23,000 adults in 22 countries showed that more than 40 percent of people from India and China believe that aliens walk among us disguised as humans, while those least likely to believe in this are from Belgium, Sweden and the Netherlands (8 percent each)."03:16
crashanddieSo, the US always sees UFOs03:16
crashanddieand here in Europe we always laughed at it03:16
crashanddietwo things we can conclude from this03:17
ptl_demands_PR12so, only 40 percent of indians and chinese people know the truth. Too bad... </irony>03:17
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crashanddie- The bigger the country, the more likely stupid opinions will circulate03:17
crashanddie- There are more aliens in Europe, which is why we always go "NOO, THERE ARE NO ALIENS"03:17
ptl_demands_PR12what about these countries in africa that think that some people can cast a spell on you that will make your weeny shrink and fall?03:17
crashanddieThey never said they were extraterrestial03:18
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crashanddieI'm finally freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee03:21
crashanddieno longer a mod on TMO03:21
* crashanddie starts playing the Who03:21
javispedroenjoy your sanity03:22
* MohammadAG applies to moderate instead of crashanddie 03:22
FlavioFerreiraBRSomeone will be mentor of gsoc ?03:23
MohammadAGjkyro_, I don't want to feel tortured lol03:23
ptl_demands_PR12crashanddie: I thought you liked being a moderator03:24
crashanddiehave you not seen my ranting about it?03:24
MohammadAGhe loved it03:24
crashanddieIt's the most shitty position in this community03:24
crashanddiea normal user has more rights than a moderator03:24
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crashanddieIt took me 3 or 4 days for the admin to remove my moderator rights03:25
crashanddieit takes him 3 minutes to revet one of my actions if a user complains03:25
crashanddieI'm kidding, btw, Reggie is doing an excellent job -- just way too much of it03:25
crashanddieThere should be a moderator team-lead03:25
javispedroI nominate you >:)03:26
crashanddieYou really want tmo to descend into the 9 layers of hell, right?03:26
javispedroAh, you mean you're moderator team-lead already?03:27
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* DocScrutinizer mangle TMO thru a 9-dimensional mandelbrodt and feeds it to all telecommunication sats worldwide, dressed with a hoof and horns03:29
ptl_demands_PR12and then make a screensaver out of it.03:30
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ptl_demands_PR12Ok, I am confused03:42
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ptl_demands_PR12I've just watched a video of the new iPhone OS 4.0 and it has the new features... Multitask support, folder creation, multiple exchange email accounts...??? Come on. Was the iPhone such a limited device???
MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, how else would you get everyone hyped about new features in updates03:43
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MohammadAG4.0 will be a big update cause it has multitasking03:44
MohammadAGnow if it did have multitasking in 1.0, what would be left for 4.0?03:44
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corecodefree sex?03:52
bullet`what ?03:53
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bullet`i want a free pr1.2 !! its going to be better than sex03:54
MohammadAGbullet`,  <MohammadAG> now if it did have multitasking in 1.0, what would be left for 4.0?03:54
bullet`sex is overrated for sure, n900 is not :p03:54
corecodeheh see what people have in their hilights03:54
bullet`you know guys03:56
bullet`i hate the fact that i'm still using windows on my laptop03:57
bullet`the more i grow up, the more i hate microsof03:57
bullet`there was a time i used to fight with ppl on how cool microsoft is hehe03:57
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MohammadAGbullet`, well they're better than apple04:00
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MohammadAGif they suck, they'll admit it/fix it next time04:00
MohammadAGuploading 19.2MBs to extras-devel is a pita...04:02
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MohammadAGespecially since there's no progress bar04:02
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silverbulletwell i dont know if they r better than apple04:03
MohammadAGthe HTC incredible has 576MBs of ram o.O04:04
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silverbulletthats good04:04
MohammadAGdamn that took time04:05
MohammadAGmoved to autobuilder, will most likely fail04:05
ptl_demands_PR12576 MB or 576 MiB? Are they measuring their memory like hard disk manufacturers now? :P04:06
ptl_demands_PR12I don't see the point in having a broken number like 576 instead of 51204:06
MohammadAGsays MB, but yeah, 512 is most likely it04:06
MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, well they are HTC after all :)04:07
* MohammadAG wonders if the autobuilder lives on a core i704:07
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crashanddiegame, set and match:
crashanddietimeless_mbp: you might enjoy the link above04:16
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: you too04:17
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MohammadAGwhy isn't the package there? it was built fine04:38
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ech0Asussup everyone04:46
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silverbulletstill waiting for meego's ui and maemo's pr1.2 :)04:46
ptl_demands_PR12let's make a community-driver PR1.2 then04:47
ech0Asuswas wonderin bout this tmobile plan, anyone confirm the EM+ 500 w/ 10$ unlimited web is same speeds as the other?04:47
ech0Asuswould it be better to get the unlimited data plan card for 50$ a month or is it just as fast plus the whole 500EM+ deal and 10$ cheaper?04:48
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trip0where do the .desktop files get installed on freemantle?05:06
trip0doesn't look like there are very many in /usr/share/applications05:07
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trip0anyone here get sygic to work?05:21
FlavioFerreiraBRAlgum brasileiro ?05:21
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ech0Asuspeople suggest a "dumb phone" to take into the tmobile store and get the cheep setup, would the cheapest prepaid tmo phone at wallie world work?05:30
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b-man_fedorawoot!!! i'm chatting from my N900 booted into Fedora :DDD05:33
b-man_fedora :)))05:34
bullet`u r the man !!!05:34
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fernando_can I have it for the n810, please? :305:35
* b-man_fedora is going to try google chrome on his N900 xD05:35
bullet`thats going to be cool05:36
bullet`how is the speed and useability ?05:36
b-man_fedoraeverything is pretty snappy :)05:36
ech0Asusis there a means of using the phone in other os?05:36
ech0Asuslike actually dialing a number?05:37
bullet`is the wifi working ?05:37
ech0Asusthat would be cool to use another app that can work with the hardware05:37
ech0Asushow did you install it?05:38
ech0Asusdual boot?05:38
b-man_fedorawifi is fully functional :)05:39
ech0Asuscongrats :)05:39
b-man_fedoraty :)05:39
b-man_fedoraalso, the keyboard entierly works :D05:39
ech0Asusif can somehow find a phone app u could be os idenpendant lol05:39
b-man_fedoragotta work on right-click though05:40
b-man_fedoralol yeah xD05:40
ech0Asusany linux distro u want lol05:40
ech0Asuswould be sick05:40
ech0Asusi love maemo but would be cool to have strait debian and then perhaps access to all maemo software under that?05:41
b-man_fedorai am working on ubuntu lucid ;)05:41
b-man_fedorafedora seems to work very well on the N90005:42
ech0Asusyeah that would be cool too ubuntu has a lot of packages and they stay well up to date on the majority of them05:42
ech0Asusdebian based.. could prolly get all the maemo software on it too inside ubuntu05:42
ech0Asusmaybe even the phone app itself05:42
b-man_fedorayup :)05:42
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b-man_fedoragsm (almost) works in fedora :)05:42
ech0Asushell yeah :)05:43
b-man_fedorapower management(screen dimming, sleep) work :))))))05:43
bullet`hey can u tell me just the theory of how all this happens ?? i mean first you download the source of fedora and than buld it for arm cpu of n900 ? and that flash ?05:44
ech0Asuschroot install prolly05:44
b-man_fedorai used a raw fedora-arm image from the fedora-arm page05:44
b-man_fedorawith optimizations05:45
b-man_fedorai implemented some base packages from mer :)05:45
ech0Asusb-man do u have a service plan on ur phone?05:45
b-man_fedoraO2 Wireless05:45
bullet`so fedora officially supports arm adn releases their distro for arm always ?05:46
b-man_fedoraso far, yes05:46
ech0Asuserm, tryin to find someone with the tmobile EM+ 500/10$ web want to ask how well it works05:46
b-man_fedorawell, not completely official05:46
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bullet`so the final everything goes to one file ? and than u flash it ? or maybe configure for a dual boot ?05:47
ech0Asusis there any other distro that u can use a the phone app in currently?05:48
b-man_fedorai download a tarball and extract it to my sd card05:48
b-man_fedorai guess ubuntu xD05:48
b-man_fedorai was trying to get WebOS running05:49
b-man_fedorabut the setup is very strange05:49
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b-man_fedorafernando_: sure, fedora can run on an N810 :)05:52
b-man_fedorajust need a proper keymap and some drivers05:52
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fernando_:o cool, I want to hack my n810 again hehe, I have been just using it as a Ti calculator :P05:54
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crashanddieheh, python is fun:
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ptl_demands_PR12crashanddie: I've got to confess, this paragraph of yours is one of the most inspired I've ever read: "I don't like Flash, if that wasn't apparent up to now. It's a proprietary piece of **** that has become a standard on the web, not because of its qualities, not because of its strengths, but because it was there. Flash is a disease, born to power small banners, and has been abused to become a ful06:10
bullet`i agreee :)06:11
bullet`flash is the one thing that i absolutely hate on my laptop06:12
bullet`on google chrome06:12
bullet`i wish06:12
bullet`there was righ click option .. "stop all flash animations on this page "06:12
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ptl_demands_PR12I use it on chrome06:14
ptl_demands_PR12you don't even see the flash animations you don't want.06:14
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crashanddieptl_demands_PR12: thanks06:47
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jebbais it possible to feed an   rtsp://    URL to the media player?08:01
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slingrpew pewwww08:12
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doc|homeslingr: my thoughts exactly08:20
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opdf2do i need to run fmms in background to receive?08:40
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ptl_demands_PR12Oh, dang08:52
bullet`what happened08:52
ptl_demands_PR12I was just stung by some wasp.08:52
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bullet`i thought pr1.2 got delayed !!08:53
ptl_demands_PR12I was going to get my N900 laser stand from the mailbox and there were some wasps there08:53
ptl_demands_PR12a wasp house08:53
ptl_demands_PR12btw, there are three small rubber wheels there... I don't know what they are for08:53
bullet`bad bad08:53
ptl_demands_PR12it got delayed08:53
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bullet`u should clean that place from these creatures some how08:54
bullet`maybe the wasps were planted by iphone boys !08:54
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crashanddieptl_demands_PR12: there's a wasp house with 3 rubber wheels?08:56
ptl_demands_PR12crashanddie, no, the 3 rubber wheels came with the laser-cut stand for the N90008:56
Stskeepsman, the pr1.2ities are getting crazy:P08:56
ptl_demands_PR12 --> this one08:56
ptl_demands_PR12it's 3 AM in the morning and I only noticed the envelope in the mailbox about twenty minutes ago08:57
meceit is quite sexy, that n900 stand08:57
Chiku|dcis there any script to run to detect my phone provider so I can connect it?08:59
Chiku|dcI need to reboot to get provider back08:59
Chiku|dcswitch GSM or G3 doesn't redetect it09:00
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Chiku|dcor command09:02
ptl_demands_PR12command -->
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ptl_demands_PR12it's here09:02
ptl_demands_PR12*it's there09:02
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bullet`ptl_demands_PR12, what is ptl ?09:02
ptl_demands_PR12the consonants of my nickname, "Patola".09:03
ptl_demands_PR12It might also mean Pepsi Twist Light, a soft drink I love.09:03
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ptl_demands_PR12it's really meant only to look like an Unix command, or something unpronounceable.09:04
ptl_demands_PR12like ptl --force -i -o /home/user/MyDocs/picture.jpg -s 409:04
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crashanddieHere's a new rule for anyone: The next person to bash Apple/iPhone/iPad gets banned09:15
bullet`what ?????09:15
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bullet`WHAT !!!!09:15
crashanddieTMO has become a iPad/Jobs/Apple bashing competition09:16
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crashanddieanyone who does the same here gets it09:16
Stskeepscrashanddie: iPad is a walled garden and it's bad for consumers.09:16
bullet`thats what i'm talking about09:16
bullet`free speech !!!!!!! yay !!!!!!!09:17
bullet`this forums will follow the GNU license :)09:17
mecehow about sarcastic bashing? Then it's not really clear that it's actually bashing09:17
Stskeepsbullet`: there's a difference between free speech and being lame09:17
crashanddieStskeeps: it's fine to have your opinion, but there's no point in making 10 different threads about Apple on tmo09:17
crashanddieStskeeps: just look at off-topic, it's fucking ridiculous09:17
bullet`for one person its free speech, for another its french and for yet another its lame09:17
mecethe new iphone os multitasking is really flexible!09:17
bullet`it happens09:17
Stskeepsalso, don't start adding odd rules for people to comply by without at least a public disussion. and of course on tmo, but this isn't tmo09:17
bullet`we just need to let that happen, atleast in the room here it can die quick09:18
bullet`in the forums it just goes on09:18
crashanddieI post one comment about flash, and I get trolled for being a "apple fanboi"09:18
Stskeepscrashanddie: go support andrew's proposal on sane moderation then09:18
crashanddieStskeeps: I just resigned from being a mod09:18
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bullet`crashanddie, off topic being off topic and ridiculous is ok09:19
crashanddiebullet`: no, it's not09:19
bullet`i think , modify the tmo to not include offtopic ??09:19
Stskeepswell, your methods are traditionally a bit heavy handed :P but tmo interface invites to this insanity too09:19
bullet`i mean in the "active topics" on the right of tmo, to not include stuff from offtopic09:19
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Stskeepsi wonder if we can make a greasemonkey script that deletes offtopic threads from view09:20
bullet`that way useless threads pushing usefull threads down in will reduce09:20
crashanddieStskeeps: yeah, I can have that done by tonight!09:20
crashanddieStskeeps: I'm a long time greasemonkey user and scripter09:20
mecebut I really want them removed from "Active Topics"09:20
mecereally really09:20
crashanddiemece: I think we got that09:21
bullet`i hate apple :p09:22
bullet`just couldnt resist saying it09:22
bullet`i hate microsoft more than apple !!!09:22
bullet`i'm feeling much better now09:22
Stskeepsgood for you, bullet` - now, what are your technical and organisational arguments for it?09:22
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bullet`the way i have been able to observe09:24
bullet`microsoft first alright ?09:24
bullet`there is one thing called copying.09:25
bullet`there is another thing called innovation09:25
bullet`and there is a 3rd thing called being-a-villaine :)09:25
bullet`microsoft was first innovative asi have read09:25
Stskeepsright, what do you call what KDE and GNOME has done, copying or innovation?09:25
bullet`than it started copying and left innovation09:25
Stskeepslike wazd said it: simpsons did it09:25
bullet`later :)09:25
bullet`those later09:26
bullet`and than09:26
bullet`came to the third level09:26
crashanddiebullet`: please stop using enter as punctuation09:26
bullet`being a villain09:26
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bullet`ok sorry09:26
crashanddieyou're about this close |<---->| from getting quieted09:26
crashanddie(not to scale)09:26
mececrashanddie, omg wow! When did that happen?09:27
meceoh the latest iphone thread is in competitors.09:27
bullet`now, how do i call it being a villain? When it lost all innovation and the quality of recruits decreased from time to time, it became despearate to stop othres from getting ahead of it09:27
bullet`So, it started threatning companies using linux of ip infringements.09:28
crashanddiewho did?09:28
ptl_demands_PR12It goes much deeper than that and I think most people here know some of it, bullet`. I think they're just testing you.09:29
bullet`What they did more, is started prasing the MONO hackers. When i used to be on the microsoft camp, i used to hear all the things from linux guys,09:29
bullet`that linux has so much innovation, like lets say from the programming/development point of view, yes linux is awesome09:30
crashanddiestop using "they" and make it clear who you're talking about -- you're not making any sense09:30
mecethe villains?09:30
ptl_demands_PR12They. The illuminatti.09:30
Stskeepsbullet`: ok, so, you're a fanboy, we get it :P - now, this place is also about cooperation with companies having closed source09:30
crashanddieWhat is this, heroes?09:30
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Stskeepsbullet`: so extremist views doesn't always work out in practice :)09:31
bullet`when i moved to linux camps, only to discover, that some of the really famous guys (mono guys) declared a manifesto , that microsoft's CLI is really revolutionary and if we dont bring their technology to linux, we r doomed !09:31
ptl_demands_PR12Even historical opponents of the open-source crowd, Stskeeps? Is it possible to trust them?09:31
Stskeepsbullet`: how is this relevant to maemo?09:31
bullet`yea microsoft the villain guys :p09:31
bullet`who else09:31
jXStskeeps: Extremist views are always right and if you disagree they'll kill you.09:31
bullet`the Evil Empire .. the Dark Force :)09:31
mecethats apple.09:31
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jXno, Apple is the Apprentice09:32
StskeepsjX: killing me doesn't make it their views right :P09:32
mecemicrosoft are humble these days afaict09:32
ptl_demands_PR12that's about everyone, but some are more successful in being evil than others.09:32
jXMS is the aging emperor soon to be overthrown.09:32
crashanddiemece: depends who you work with09:32
jXStskeeps: it does if you can't disagree anymore. ;)09:32
ptl_demands_PR12jX, windows mobile 7 is using some of the same limitations as former Apple OS versions, like no multitasking09:32
bullet`umm its not relevant to maemo, these r just the reasons when i said at the start "i hate microsoft" :)09:32
Stskeepsnow, on to another good topic09:32
ptl_demands_PR12jX, so I think that to an extent, Apple went further in their villany than Microsof09:32
jXptl_demands_PR12: I know, and no clipboard, no native apps, either09:33
Stskeepsdid anyone have bacon for breakfast?09:33
mececrashanddie, yeah sure. but apple has definately taken over the "asshat" badge from my pov.09:33
bullet`microsoft is humble ..u gotto be kidding me09:33
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meceok perhaps not. humble-er :)09:33
bullet`they r those nice ppl who nice just bcuz things r not in their hands anymore, when the loose they r nice, otherwise they dont give a shit09:33
Stskeepsbullet`: this isn't twitter, you can write full words09:33
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ptl_demands_PR12Stskeeps, too greasy, would make me become unable to finger-touch my iPhone and... Oh, wait. I have an N900 and I can use the stylus.09:33
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bef0rdhey Stskeeps, just wondering, did you get any progress with the 3d video drivers for the n8x0? :D09:34
ptl_demands_PR12so I can eat bacon!09:34
Stskeepsbef0rd: yes but not very usable ?09:34
crashanddiebullet`: you'll allowed to talk on this channela gain once you turn 13.09:34
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Stskeepsbef0rd: i haven't had time. maybe the meego n8x0 project will work with it09:34
mececrashanddie, that was not cool.09:35
crashanddiemece: ORLY?09:35
ptl_demands_PR12what about bacon?09:36
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bef0rdStskeeps, oh that's cool, thanks. I have not been able to use the meego image creator, it fails to boot on vmware for me, some kernel panic.09:36
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ptl_demands_PR12thanks, crashanddie09:36
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Stskeepsbef0rd: fedora, atom or core2 with ssse3?09:36
Stskeepsi use it under fedora, works fine09:36
mececrashanddie, :)09:36
mecehey I managed to fix right-clivk in wesnoth.09:37
meceif anyone is interested.09:37
mecedunno how to do tap-hold09:37
ptl_demands_PR12gimme gimme gimme09:37
ptl_demands_PR12where's the deb? :)09:37
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Stskeepscrashanddie: speaking of rules though, any way we could set up a ruleset here so we have something to adhere to?09:38
bef0rdStskeeps, yea fedora 12 under a vmware, mic seemed to work, however the vmdk that generated did not boot09:38
Stskeepsbef0rd: ah, not surprised on that area09:38
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crashanddieStskeeps: yeah, it's something I've been thinking about09:38
mecestskeeps, yeah! That would be good.09:38
Stskeepsand 1. crashanddie is god is not a ruleset ;)09:38
crashanddie1. crashanddie is god is not a set rule?09:39
crashanddieStskeeps: though, I really don't fancy becoming one of those: "PLEASE READ THE RULES BEFORE ASKING ANY QUESTIONS"-type of channels09:39
mecebullet`, !!09:39
crashanddiebullet`: I removed your right to talk for a couple of minutes09:39
Stskeepscrashanddie: of course not - i just dealt with some asshole-ish forum admins who didn't have a bit of flexibility09:39
bullet`what ???09:39
bullet`what did i do09:39
crashanddiemece: you explain09:40
bullet`someone aksed me something i replied thats all :)09:40
Stskeepsbullet`: your signal to noise ratio was too low09:40
bullet`flexibility is very imp09:40
meceI suggest a set of rules of what is not tolerated, that can be referred to to justify quieting and such.09:40
bullet`it ll get better sts09:40
crashanddieStskeeps: I think the ops in this channel are pretty cool, we've rarely done anything that went against what the rest of the channel wanted, and even if we did, we usually repair our mistakes quickly afterwards09:41
mece ptl_demands_PR12, let me know if the wesnoth thing works for you.09:41
bullet`thats good crashanddie , u let me speak too !09:41
Stskeepscrashanddie: i'm actually wondering if we had any problems before except with bots09:41
bullet`|__|> coffee anyone ?09:41
crashanddieStskeeps: well, we have the odd spammer09:42
mece ptl_demands_PR12, should not be a problem, but you never know.09:42
Stskeepscrashanddie: i just see a lot more op-ups over discussion issues and that worries me09:42
C-S-Bcan someone remind me of the command to force a media indexing09:42
bullet`any of your guys running meego ?09:42
crashanddieStskeeps: point taken09:42
crashanddiebullet`: there's not much to run09:42
C-S-Bseems my n900 wants to ignore all the new tunes i just added.09:42
ptl_demands_PR12mece, k, thanks... I will experiment with it on my tv, I really love to use my TV set for that because I never watch tv programs and if it was not for the N900, it would become months without ever turning on09:42
bullet`yea i saw the screen shots09:43
ptl_demands_PR12C-S-B, tracker-processes -r09:43
Stskeepscrashanddie: hence having rules to adhere to. a rule saying your signal to noise ratio should not be too low would be fine for me :P09:43
C-S-Bany reason it does that?09:43
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mece~curse docx format09:44
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, docx format !09:44
ptl_demands_PR12yes, probably a bug that's solved in PR 1.2 (not kidding, it seems there are a couple of situations with that)09:44
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meceLOL that was silly you silly bot.09:44
crashanddiemece: sounds appropriate09:44
LiraNunahow do you guys debug your applications?09:44
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ptl_demands_PR12~bless N900's dbus09:44
infobotN900's dbus: Live long and prosper! \//,09:44
crashanddieStskeeps: yeah, I'll draft something up and submit it for review09:44
C-S-Bwell when do i get my grubby mits on this infamous 1.2 update. >:(09:45
Stskeepscrashanddie: sounds good09:45
ptl_demands_PR12hmmm, lots of data to install09:45
ptl_demands_PR12mece, it will take some time, my connection is quite lame09:46
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Stskeepscrashanddie: but with that said - greasemonkey script would be good :P09:46
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LiraNunahow can I debug my application? I cannot seem to run it in scratchbox09:46
ptl_demands_PR12greasemonkey rules, isn't it? It solved a lot of problems, I wish I knew more javascript.09:46
jmc93739653mece: Nice re: right-click.  I had Diablo running on top of a _slightly_ modified 0.10.z release of QEMU.  Though the mouse cursor would vanish as soon as QEMU captured it.  Subjectively, Diablo ran slower under emulation on a Intel C2D E8400, than it does natively.09:46
mecejmc93739653, que?09:47
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ptl_demands_PR12just a moment09:48
ptl_demands_PR12i'll switch from X-Chat to kvirc09:48
* bef0rd checks application manager updates for n810 and crosses fingers09:48
LiraNunaptl_demands_PR12, well, that articles tells me what happens after the application is on the device09:49
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LiraNunahow can I execute the application on my device and capturing output to my computer?09:49
ptl_demands_PR12done :)09:49
bef0rdI believe there was an option for that on Eclipse09:50
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ptl_demands_PR12LiraNuna: there's further detail here --
ptl_demands_PR12you want a tool like ddd or xxgdb?09:50
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LiraNunaI don't want to use scratchbox09:52
LiraNunaI want it to run directly on my N900, capturing stdout to my computer09:52
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Appiahtry launching the application from a terminal then09:53
LiraNunaAppiah, ...09:53
ptl_demands_PR12yes... ssh is your friend09:53
LiraNunaAppiah, copying the application to the device09:53
LiraNunaand executing09:53
LiraNunaptl_demands_PR12, sshing to the device isn't really "friendly" as user has unknown password09:54
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LiraNunaand I don't know if modifying it will break anything09:54
Appiahyou are debugging09:54
Appiahthats so "friendly" with that?09:54
meceis there some documentation on how to get a proper shortcut made for an application? Thought I might fix that wesnoth thing too while I'm at it.09:55
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mecethe .desktop file goes somewhere I guess...09:55
jmc93739653mece: You had mentioned fixing right-click in Wesnoth.  I think I misread your comment.  Wesnoth and/or SDL probably refuse to play nicely with Fremantle out-of-the-box.  I assumed you were running code under emulation and were having issues with contextual-menus.09:55
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mecedunno, but the version mentioned works very well. It's modded somewhat I guess. I only did the rightclick thing.09:56
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ptl_demands_PR12lindi-: it won't break anything, I modified mine09:57
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mecewhere are the icons stored on N900?10:14
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wenkathi all, I have submitted a gsoc app, Can any of you give me some pointers?10:15
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LiraNunaI am connected to my N900 via SSH but it's really slow10:16
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silbolink not found10:16
LiraNunaseems like network latency, but N900 reports full wifi10:17
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crashanddieLiraNuna: it's probably your router having issues with the N900's power saving features10:17
LiraNunacould SmartReflex be of a relation to it?10:18
crashanddiewenkat: we can't see the link10:18
crashanddieLiraNuna: considering I have no idea what SmartReflex is: yes10:19
Stskeepscrashanddie: gsoc mentors can10:19
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Stskeepswenkat: i'd give up on dropbox as they do not have armel version of their closed binaries10:19
crashanddieStskeeps: "pffffffffffffffffffft"10:20
crashanddieStskeeps: elitist10:20
crashanddieStskeeps: why can't we see it? CONSPIRACY! GOOGLE APOLOGIZERS10:20
wenkati made my proposal public10:20
wenkatso thought everyone can view10:21
crashanddiewenkat: nice idea, shame for the spelling mistakes10:21
mecehey ok found the problem with wesnoth.desktop but where is it generated? is it in rules or what? because the "source" desktop file is not the same as the installed one.10:21
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wenkatStskeeps, do I change the proposol and remove drop box from it?10:23
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Stskeepswenkat: i would personally do that, as it is a impossibility to get dropbox to work sanely10:23
wenkatcrashanddie, sorry for the mistakes. I do not think that will reduce my chance of getting soc10:23
crashanddieStskeeps: what would you think of speedwriting contests/challenges?10:24
Stskeeps(even though it would be nice)10:24
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Stskeepscrashanddie: i make too many errors for speedwriting10:24
crashanddieStskeeps: nha, not english -- apps10:24
Stskeepsas in input methods?10:24
crashanddieStskeeps: have the council, ever 2 or 3 weeks, put up a challenge/idea for an application10:25
Stskeepscrashanddie: i saw another concept the other day.. coding for charity10:25
* Stskeeps might actually do something like that10:25
crashanddieStskeeps: there's 30 days to complete the challenge, and then the app is reviewed based on specific criteria defined at the beginning of the contest10:25
Stskeepscrashanddie: assumes we have a budget for that10:25
crashanddieStskeeps: the winning app gets promoted on tmo, front page and downloads10:26
wenkatStskeeps, I gave only 1 week for dropbox at the end. My main idea is to develop the crawling framework and ubuntu one10:26
crashanddiewenkat: what UI toolkit will you use?10:26
jacekowskiqt isn't a ui toolkit10:27
jacekowskiit's a lot more10:27
crashanddieyada yada yada10:27
wenkatare there other apps for the same prj?10:27
wenkati mean how many students applied for the same?10:28
jacekowskiX-Fade: can you tell what i've done wrong?10:28
X-Fadejacekowski: NEEDINFO ;)10:29
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jacekowskiit's here10:29
jacekowskibut i can't see it anywhere in Packages10:29
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X-Fadejacekowski: ok, let me check.10:30
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jacekowskiand if i'll send package that takes about 2-3h to build on my model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6600  @ 2.40GHz10:31
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jacekowskiwith cpu-transparency enabled and etc.10:31
X-Fadejacekowski: Our builder is quite capable.10:31
jacekowskihow long will it take to buld on autobuilder?10:31
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X-Fadejacekowski: Qt builds in 20 mins for example.10:31
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crashanddiejacekowski: 13 mins 21s 69ms10:32
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wenkatStskeeps, I have changed the proposal without dropbox. Do you think qt is the best choice for ui?10:41
X-Fadejacekowski: Why didn't you add the build arch in the filename?10:42
jacekowskii didn't built package version as well10:43
X-Fadechromium-5.0.369.2.deb -> chromium-5.0.369.2_armel.deb10:44
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jacekowskiand that's all?10:44
X-Fadeehm no.10:44
X-FadeIt is even worse.10:44
X-FadeThere needs to be an underscore between chromium and the version number.10:45
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X-FadeI'd recommend you to read up on debian packaging a bit, how did you manage to package this?10:46
jacekowskiX-Fade: there isn't much info how to build binary packages10:46
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jacekowskii created couple files in debian subfolder and ran dpkg --build i think it was10:47
fluxjacekowski, does it work?-)10:49
jacekowskicontent of a package works10:50
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jacekowskibut the package itself is a disaster10:50
fluxwell, it doesn't seem to overwrite essential files..10:50
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jacekowskiX-Fade: so it's fubar?10:55
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X-Fadejacekowski: Broken in this state, yes. Fubar, no.10:56
mecehey about debian stuff.. dh_make -e <my email address> -f ../rot13-0.1.tar.gz -c GPL creates new debian stuff.. how about if I just want to update it and add a new version. How do I do that?10:56
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fluxapparently it does work (modulo the packaging issues), but unfortunately not very useful before it gets kinetic scrolling10:57
fluxor the scroll bar gets a lot bigger :)10:57
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mecebleh I manually modified the changelog file. Quite a hazzle actually. It's very specific.10:59
jacekowskimece: dch helps10:59
Stskeeps (read the terms)11:00
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mecejacekowsky, just dch?11:03
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X-Fademece: apt-get install devscripts11:04
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meceX-Fade, thanks11:04
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jacekowskii've just noticed another fail11:19
jacekowskiX-Fade: there is another chromium package in repository with something completly different11:19
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JaffaMorning, all11:23
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meceinteresting.. the auto optify thing moved the desktop file to /opt/maemo/usr/share/applications/hildon/11:29
mecehow does one bypass that problem?11:29
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BusterBmmm n90011:31
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jacekowskiX-Fade: can you delete libxss from repo?11:39
X-Fadejacekowski: Let me remove both broken packages from non-free.11:40
meceis optification done before or after postinst?11:41
X-Fadejacekowski: Did you upload anything else?11:41
meceautooptification that is11:41
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jacekowskii'm about to upload proper libxss11:42
jacekowskito free11:43
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X-Fadejacekowski: removed it from the origin, will take a while for it to be visible.11:44
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Treibholzhow do I restart pulse-audio?12:17
Treibholzthe init-script is missing.12:17
X-FadeTreibholz: initctl stop pulseaudio ?12:17
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TreibholzX-Fade: I'm playing around with priorities12:18
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Treibholzthe default seems not to be very cool12:18
Treibholzaudio often cracks while browsing.12:19
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crashanddieanyone used pyside?12:27
crashanddieKhertan: ?12:27
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crashanddieX-Fade: what's this: ?12:30
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X-Fadecrashanddie: Some old old test machine. But that was basically the first site :)12:31
crashanddieX-Fade: it still provides some seriously old documentation on there12:31
crashanddieX-Fade: and google indexes it12:31
crashanddieX-Fade: looked kinda good12:31
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mecegaddammit deb packaging gives me a headache.12:34
lcukmece, try childbirth - i hear its relaxing in comparison12:34
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jacekowskiwhere are builder logs?12:37
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lcukhey seb \o12:38
X-Fadejacekowski: You should receive a mail and there is:
X-Fadejacekowski: looks like libxss built just fine.12:40
jacekowskiyeah, that was simple12:42
jacekowskichromium will be more fun12:42
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SpeedEvil_has anyone done the share to ftp thing yet? for pics12:46
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crashanddiethere's a share to ftp?12:47
nidOtheres one in ovi store, its crap though12:48
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nidOits just a pixelpipe plugin and your uploads have to go through their service12:48
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crashanddielcuk: are there python bindings for liqbase?12:52
* crashanddie goes to grab food12:54
lcukcrashanddie, i did once do that12:54
lcukbut i went another method12:55
lcukbecause it wasnt ideal - im "testing" something at the moment12:55
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crashanddieis it going to make me go "oooooh"12:55
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lcukcrashanddie, at the moment, no but it made me oooooh :)12:57
hrwnovember still?12:57
petterijacekowski: how to chormium build. Is it usable on the device?12:58
lcukthink its been pushed back to pumpkin, sorry hrw12:58
jacekowskipetteri: sort of12:58
jacekowskiyou can use libxss from extras-devel12:58
jacekowskiX-Fade: how i should deal with issue that there is other package in repository that's called chromium?12:59
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jacekowskiX-Fade: change my name to chromium-browser?12:59
crashanddiejacekowski: sue them13:00
petterijacekowski: ok. I'll try it in couple of hours. I was also trying to build chromium couple of weeks ago, but got stuck in always in somewhere, and finally gave up. Nice to see someone is making it13:00
crashanddietrademark infringement13:00
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jacekowskii'll have to get my pgp key out of my old hdd as well13:01
jacekowskito sign these packages at some point13:02
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mecechromium is the browser, right.. so is google (or whoever made chromium) infringing on the periodic table or what?13:08
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SpeedEvilIs chromium a trademark?13:12
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Clicketyits a metal, as far as i know13:13
Arkenoii guess chromium game predates chromium browser a decade or so13:13
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RichardPwhats the best ereader for Maemo?13:13
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X-Fadejacekowski: Where do you see a chromium package?13:14
SpeedEvilRichardP: I've read a couple of dozeb books on fbreader13:15
SpeedEvilRichardP: works for me13:15
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dtg666hi, does anyone know how to prevent sygic from turning off the gps when having the screen locked?13:16
SpeedEvildtg666: there is the stupid solution.13:16
lcukdtg666, isnt it a paid app - ie do you have support with them13:16
SpeedEvildtg666: gps-logger-widget13:16
SpeedEvilor that, yes13:16
SpeedEvilbut if you have another GPS customer, then it won't be used13:17
SpeedEvilturend off13:17
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RichardPSpeedEvil: cheers13:18
dtg666thanks speedevil13:18
SpeedEvilthere are a couple of issues with fbreader, but nothing very serious.13:19
SpeedEvilFor example, if it's in one of the two inverted orientations, the 'back to menu' button pops up at the top left or top right of a page13:19
SpeedEvilbut this is minor13:20
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crashanddiewhat would be the easiest and quickest way to draw 6 circles (buttons) full screen in python?14:12
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crashanddieno user interaction required, 1 hz refresh rate14:13
meceIt's not just you!  looks down from here.14:14
lcukcrashanddie, are you looking in my graffiti wall :p14:14
lcuki have many things which look like that14:14
crashanddielcuk: did you see the binary clock thread? Just want to complete that14:15
crashanddieor maybe as a widget?14:15
lcuktheres a great bunch of pyqt stuff inside healthcheck14:16
mececrashanddie, I guess a cairo area.. in a gtk.Window14:16
lcukinstall on your machine, find some of the interesting visual stuff14:16
lcukand use it14:16
crashanddiedid it in console, don't think it answers the OPs guy14:16
infobotcrashanddie meant: did it in console, don't think it answers the OPs question14:16
lcukqpainter is the class you might want - tho for buttons, you might want proper widgets14:16
pupnikn900 "Internet Connection" widget/applet needs connection stats.  Data, rate, signal strength14:17
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mecerumor of jacekowski's greatness spreads on twitter :)14:18
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crashanddielcuk: do you use pyqt or pyside?14:21
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lcuki dont use either yet, tho i tihnk this code is pyqt14:21
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Arkenoiseems that some packages in the repositories are already built for PR1.2 (newer qt and libhildon than are available on the device)14:30
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Shapeshifterpyqt and pyside are compatible apart from the qtmaemo5 package.14:30
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Shapeshifteronly different imports14:30
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Shapeshifteror lets say "pretty much" code-compatible. the widgets look slightly different at times whereas pyside looks nicer for the n900.14:31
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threshArkenoi: they are indeed14:36
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Treibholzhmm, x2x would be great on the n90014:41
jacekowskilook what i've found in my server logs
MohammadAGand of course... no mention of who did it...14:45
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jacekowskiat least they link to my server14:46
MohammadAGwow the mods on that site suck14:47
jacekowskijacekowski:/var/www/maemo# cat /var/log/apache2/access.log | grep chromium |wc -l14:47
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MohammadAGinstead of asking him to add a source they thank him m/14:47
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jacekowskido you understand the language14:47
ShapeshifterTreibholz: x2x works.14:48
MohammadAGit's arabic14:48
jacekowskii know14:48
jacekowskibut i don't speak arabic14:48
MohammadAGi do :)14:48
TreibholzShapeshifter: is there a package?14:48
jacekowskiallah akbar14:48
ech0Asusis there a free way to send SMS to phones via internet on the n900?14:48
jacekowskithat's only thing i can say in arabic14:48
jacekowskiand i've probably speled it wrong14:49
MohammadAGnah you spelled it right :p14:49
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ShapeshifterTreibholz: ah. you mean "that" way around. not that I know of. but you can run ssh -X yourname@yourdesktop 'x2x -west -from :0'14:49
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ShapeshifterTreibholz: so you can use your desktop mouse and keyboard on the n900.14:49
TreibholzShapeshifter: I meant the other way!14:51
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jacekowskiTreibholz: bluemaemo?14:51
paul98is there vnc server for the phone i know we have viewer?14:51
paul98thats the one ;) ty14:52
MohammadAGcompiling perl took a lot of time on my i514:52
MohammadAGgood thing i cancelled it on the centrino laptop lol14:52
MohammadAGnp paul9814:52
* nidO hugs i7 lovelyness14:52
jacekowskisomething from greece14:53
ShapeshifterTreibholz: that would be interesting. why not make a package? I doubt it's impossible14:53
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TreibholzShapeshifter: yes, should be easy.14:54
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nidOwell worth a read14:56
crashanddieech0Asus: there's nothing limiting you from the N900's side14:57
TreibholzShapeshifter: but first I want to tinker a CalDAV-sync.14:57
crashanddieech0Asus: but you'll need a provider who offers such a service14:57
crashanddieMohammadAG: compilation typically uses a single core14:57
crashanddieMohammadAG: so yeah, there's a good chance it'd be slow on a i514:58
paul98oh didn't think vnc would work like that lol14:58
MohammadAGcrashanddie, well 2.8 is better than 1.7GHz :)14:58
MohammadAGcrashanddie, any way to make it use all 4? (/me assumes the answer is no)14:58
crashanddieMohammadAG: not that I'm aware of14:59
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MohammadAGis perl in extras-devel?14:59
MohammadAGactually nvm that, can perl be installed since perl-modules is missing?15:01
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satmdmake -j <number of cores+1>15:02
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satmdcompiling is something that can be done massively in parallel15:02
Treibholzespecially the c++-stuff15:03
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crashanddiewhy the c++ stuff more than c?15:04
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crashanddiesounds like a pretty stupid argument15:04
satmdperhaps since stuff is spread over more fules15:04
crashanddiethat really just depends on the coding standard15:05
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crashanddieit's not java, you can have 5 billion classes in one file15:05
DocScrutinizeras long as you have >>1 file, it doesn't matter, no?15:05
Treibholzgood question, just out of experience.15:05
Treibholzc-stuff often broke15:05
lcukcrashanddie coding standard:   one file for everything!  no indenting (for wussies) use single characters for global variables etc ;)15:05
wall[e]hi, can someone help me installing graphicsmagick on n900?15:05
Treibholze.g. the kernel couldn't be built with -j for a long time.15:06
crashanddielcuk: what's wrong with that?15:06
wall[e]thi's from but I don't know how to install it, do i need to rebuild the deb?15:06
crashanddieTreibholz: actually, it could be built, just not linked15:06
Treibholzon the other hand c++ takes often so much longer than c....15:06
wall[e]or any similar tool so i can process image?15:06
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Treibholzbuilding webkit took ages on my core2duo 2.4 and ate all my 2GiB RAM15:07
* MohammadAG uploaded perl-modules into non-free15:07
MohammadAGi'll most probably get sued, but i still can't figure out how to optify it from the source...15:08
jacekowskisomething from france15:08
derfCompiling C++ is really hard.15:08
crashanddielcuk: main(h,m)char**m;{for(time(*m);h/=2;)m[4][m[h][h[(int*)localtime(*m)]]]=m[3][h];puts(m[4]);}15:08
derfSomething about the language not actually being decidable.15:09
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derfAnd also that half the code is in the headers.15:09
* DocScrutinizer off for fetching an Aspirin15:09
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crashanddielcuk: main(){int x=3,n,m=2,*t,*a,*b=0;while(b?o:((*(t=b=(int*)malloc(o))=2),a=t+1,o))n=*b,n>=m?c:x%n?(int)b++:N);}15:10
DocScrutinizermy Aspirin stash is limited15:11
ShadowJKThat first one looks like segfault15:11
satmdwebkit DOES use a lot of c++ functionality15:12
satmdthe goal is not a fast compile15:12
satmdbut a fast result15:12
satmdand optimization of compilation takes its toll with webkit15:12
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Treibholzas long as there is no adblock plus for a webkit-browser...15:13
Treibholzand on the desktop I need vimperator.15:13
wall[e]if i want to build a package should I build it in n900 or should i cross compile it from a gnu/linux machine?15:14
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crashanddiewall[e]: the easiest solution is to use a virtual machine -- in case you don't have a debian-based Linux installation available15:14
wall[e]crashanddie, I have ubuntu here.15:14
Zahradoes anybody know how can I change Nolo configuration?15:14
crashanddiewall[e]: then just install the SDK (Scratchbox + binaries). It will provide you with a terminal that runs through qemu (and hence is ARM compatible)15:15
StskeepsZahra: what are you trying to accomplish?15:15
wall[e]crashanddie, I just want to build this graphicsmagick thing, it's in os 2008.15:15
wall[e]crashanddie, ok, thanks, the one in .py?15:15
ZahraStskeeps: dual boot maemo with another OS15:15
wall[e]i click on gui install and it gave me a .py to download15:16
wall[e]i didn't check the python code what it did, will it download things for me?15:16
crashanddiewall[e]: no, maemo 5 sdk is for the N90015:16
crashanddiewall[e]: you need the maemo 4 SDK15:16
wall[e]crashanddie, I am using n900 here?15:17
crashanddiewall[e]: my bad, you mentionned OS2008, so I thought you had an n8x015:17
wall[e]or i still need maemo 4 sdk so i can build thing on pc ubuntu?15:17
wall[e]ah i see, there's a graphicsmagick in os200815:17
wall[e]but i can't get the deb15:17
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SpeedEvilOh - another app where 125MHz mode would be good. FMRadio15:18
crashanddiefair enough, wall[e], go for the python script for the maemo 5 sdk15:18
wall[e]crashanddie, ok, thanks a lot.15:19
SpeedEvil(it keeps the cpu active 100% of the time)15:19
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wall[e]btw, anyone interested in gnustep?15:21
SpeedEvilIs that like a open-source dance dance revolution clone?15:21
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SpeedEvilUsing the camera to point at your feet?15:22
wall[e]i think it's py dance dance something?15:22
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jacekowskii'm just thinking how big potential of infecting thousands of n900 with virus that sort of package has15:28
wall[e]while i am downloading, there's any software comparable to imagemagick for n900?15:28
wall[e]is there*15:29
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wall[e]how do you fake soft filter w/o such softwares?15:29
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joker_89anyone knows the concepts of syncml spects?15:31
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ZahraDocScrutinizer: tnx, but in my N900 dpkg -s getbootstate shows 1.0.38+0m515:32
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wall[e]will there be a community effort to keep backporting meego's rpm to deb?15:35
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DocScrutinizerZahra: I guess that's a '>=' requirement15:36
Zahra& maybe it works only on same version15:37
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paul___can u stop the n900 from shutting down e.g going into sleep mode?15:55
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fabinaderHi, anyone here has experience compiling custom Maemo kernels for N900? I'm with a little problem using dpkg-buildpackage....15:58
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MiXu-paul___: You mean so that the display would remain on all the time?15:59
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paul___as vnc viewer don't like it, it turns it off as phont not active15:59
MiXu-Plug in the charger and set check your display settings. There's something like "keep display on when charging"16:00
paul___good man :)16:00
paul___vnc nice needs some work though16:00
fabinaderWe're implementing a DSMIPv6 client (RFC 5555) for N900, and as result we needed to update XFRM transofrmation rules inside the kernel... When we compile using make evetything is compiled OK, but when we use dpkg-buildpackage (in order to generate the .deb files for kernel installation), it uses the rx51_defconfig instead of my .config file, and as result it is failing to compile my changes on the kernel...  What kind of configur16:01
SpeedEvilWhat kind of configur trunc16:02
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Stskeepsfabinader: look at debian/rules and it's quite clear16:02
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fabinaderStskeeps: is there an automatic way for updating this debian/rules based on my .config?16:03
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paul___MiXu-:  is there anything like ebuddy for the n90016:04
MohammadAGpaul___, Conversations :)16:04
Stskeepsfabinader: debian/rules contains what config it uses16:04
MiXu-paul___: what's ebuddy?16:04
X1938paul___ : what do you mean ? pidgin works a lot better than ebuddy16:05
MohammadAGMiXu-, it's like pidgin16:05
MohammadAGor telepathy16:05
MiXu-N900 has plenty of IM plugins in the extras repository. Take your pick on the protocol.16:05
fabinaderStskeeps: I already tried replacing rx51_defconfig with my custom .config, but the compilation failed again... I mean, is it enougth? Do I have to include a lot of disabled modules (e.g. IPv6, Nat, XFRM, crypto algorithms, etc), I wouldn't know where to start, e.g. do I need to include e.g. new items on INCLUDE_HEADERS?16:06
X1938perhaps s/he's looking for an IM that supports wap.16:06
X1938i dont think you'll find such a thing.16:06
MiXu-I know what it is, I just can't think of a reason why one would want that16:06
Stskeepsfabinader: did you look at debian/rules? add your config in arch/arm/configs and then point to it in debian/rules16:06
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fabinaderStskeeps: yes, I've already done that... What I've tried before was replacing arch/arms/config/rx51_defconfig with my .config... But I'll try instead modifying DEFCONFIG directly on debian/rules...16:08
X1938MiXu- : if for example, s/he lives someplace in the middle east where they still provide wap services he would need it.16:08
MiXu-oh, ok :)16:08
X1938thats because pidgin or any other application that creates a direct connection wouldnt work16:08
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Stskeepslo FatalSaint16:09
fabinaderStskeeps: OK, same error... I think it is not enough replacing the configuration file...16:10
FatalSaintmorning skeeps16:10
ech0Asusanyone set up gvmax?16:10
X1938anyone here got navit working with garmin maps?16:11
X1938i seem to have got everything working yet the map i have must be locked.16:11
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X1938"garmin.c:811:1|:Can no find data for area: 23412323.000000...."16:12
MohammadAGchromium isn't in devel anymore?16:12
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fabinaderStskeeps: the error is "net/xfrm/xfrm_policy.c:2311: error: 'struct net' has no member named 'ipv6'", which is a clear indication of missing includes... Right?16:15
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fabinaderStskeeps: This error doesn't appear when I do regular "make"  instead of dpkg-buildpackage....16:15
marcus__Anyone know how to do the Æ button in SDL? on my maemo keyboard i have the "æ" button, and can't seem to find out what the SDLK code is for that.16:16
ech0Asusanyone have a google voice account? i want an invite :(16:17
areayhi everyone... my n900's broken. i have no space in rootfs, my application manager says 'operation failed' when i open it, my media player says 'no songs' and 'no videos' when i press the relevent buttons, and the internet radio button does nothing... everything else is working ok tho, except for it being generally slow... do i need to reflash, or can i save it?16:17
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ech0Asusuninstall some stuff maybe?16:18
MiXu-Try freeing space on rootfs16:18
areayi cant uninstall using the app manager, should i use aptitude/apt-get?16:19
mikki-kunhi uhm, can somebody tell me what the PW of my N900 is when trying to connect via SSH?16:20
areayok cool... i know reflashing is easy, but i'd rather figure the problem out16:20
areaymikki-kun you set it when you install the openssh server16:20
ech0Asuscan you SMS with Skype on the n900?16:20
Arkenoihow to install qt4.6.2?16:20
MohammadAGdoes the N900 even have aptitude16:20
lcukit has attitude16:20
areayMohammadAG no but it should16:21
ech0Asusapt-get only i believe16:21
mikki-kunareay: uhm, i installed it, but it didn't ask for a PW afair... can i also set it up now?16:21
lcukareay in the unlikely event apt doesnt work, just go find some random large files you dont use from around and have a mini clear out16:21
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lcukmikki-kun, sure, login as root and change its password the normal linux way16:21
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areaythanks lcuk16:22
areayMohammadAG  really? sweet16:22
mikki-kunhm... changing my user-pw won't interfere with the usage of the device? cool, didn't know that16:22
dmj726_n9001I just submitted my gsoc proposal.16:23
areaymikki-kun i think you have to ssh as root16:23
MohammadAGareay, i'll try, hope it doesn't have a lot of dependencies16:23
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lcukmikki-kun, i never said that16:23
mikki-kunhu? *confused*16:23
lcukive seen people change user password16:23
lcukbut its not quite so simple afaik16:23
MohammadAGlcuk, it doesn't affect it a lot16:23
MohammadAG(actually, it didn't do anything for me)16:23
lcuki know MohammadAG but its not just a call to passwd16:24
MohammadAGpasswd user16:24
lcukyou have to set something else dont you16:24
MohammadAGthat's what I did16:24
lcukperhaps it is and im just mistaken16:24
marcus__Anyone know how to do SDLK_æ? I need it for controlling on the scandinavian keyboard16:24
mikki-kunwell, if it doesn't interfere then i'll d it16:24
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lcukareay, i find commands like: du -s /usr/share/*|sort -n16:24
MohammadAGlcuk, well my N900 allows sudo for all commands, so i'm not sure if that has sth to do with it16:24
mikki-kunwas just afraid that i end up with a non-booting n900 as the pw isn't anymore the same16:24
lcukto be good at spotting where space is used16:24
lcukmikki-kun, user doesnt have a passwd set afaik or something daft like that16:25
areayawesome i'll try that lcuk16:25
lcukor its one of them that doesnt16:25
MohammadAGFixed frozen-bubble, it should be installable now16:25
mikki-kunand uhm, what all is actually "flashed" when i flash my n900? i suppose a flashing would be smart for me as my n900 is sometimes pretty lame16:25
ptl_demands_PR12lcuk: when I change the 'user' password, I did just that as root: passwd user<enter>new password<enter>new password<enter> and that was it16:25
ptl_demands_PR12s/I changed/16:25
lcukptl_demands_PR12, cool16:26
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lcukwell i will know for next time16:26
* lcuk gets back to work16:26
mikki-kunwill i e.g. loose my sms-chat history?16:26
lcukhe meant loosen16:27
lcukhes rather uptight with his texting16:27
crashanddiethe only loose thing here is your understanding of the English language.16:27
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mikki-kunsorry, sometimes i mix up a few words ;/16:27
mikki-kunbut thanks for correcting it16:28
X1938possible to unlock an .img garmin map to be used with navit ?16:28
mikki-kunw00t? max of 8 chars for a pw?!16:29
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mikki-kunohhh, sorry, didn't know somebody goes here by that name ^^16:30
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mikki-kunyay \o/ ssh'ing worked ^^16:32
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ptl_demands_PR12funny thing about ssh in the N90016:32
marcus__Noone knows how to do SDLK_Æ in developing ? (:16:32
ptl_demands_PR12all apps seem hardwired to go to :2.016:32
ptl_demands_PR12you don't need to modify the DISPLAY variável or something16:32
ptl_demands_PR12what SDLK?16:32
lindi-ptl_demands_PR12: maybe DISPLAY is set in /etc/profile or something? sounds very unlikely that the apps have been modified16:33
ptl_demands_PR12*what's SDLK?16:33
andrewfblackcan't figure out why my n900 is using so much resources not doing anything on it16:33
Shapeshifterandrewfblack: htop16:33
marcus__ptl_demands_PR12: It's SDL keyboard events. Im programming a snake game for my n90016:33
Anss|marcus__, alt+165 :)16:33
ptl_demands_PR12[user@n900 user]% grep DISPLAY /etc/profile16:33
ptl_demands_PR12[user@n900 user]%16:33
lindi-ptl_demands_PR12: echo $DISPLAY?16:33
andrewfblackShapeshifter: yeah I'm looking at it now16:34
marcus__Anss|: And how would that be possible on an SDLK event? :P16:34
marcus__Something according to the lines: case SDLK_Æ: (except Æ doesn't work ofc)16:34
ptl_demands_PR12[patola@ubuntola patola]% ssh user@ -X16:35
ptl_demands_PR12[user@n900 user]% echo $DISPLAY16:35
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X1938so no guru has yet to unlock these garmin img files ?16:35
X1938tsk tsk16:35
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Anss|marcus__, i think (assume) that 8 bit keywords are not supported in c++ :)16:35
Anss|or def names16:36
lindi-ptl_demands_PR12: -X should forward it to your desktop?16:36
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lindi-ptl_demands_PR12: but yeah, can't debug much without the system :)16:37
ptl_demands_PR12lindi-: yes, and it should open a tunnel setting DISPLAY to something like :10.0 or :11.0 -- but even if I set it manually, it doesn't work16:37
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ptl_demands_PR12so I can't export windows from my N900 to may latop16:37
lindi-ptl_demands_PR12: it probably lacks xauth16:37
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ptl_demands_PR12no, the port isn't even open.16:38
ptl_demands_PR12I could install xauth16:38
mecehey, wyciwyg://n/ doesn't seem to work...16:38
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meceon N90016:38
mikki-kunhow can i get my n900 to factory defaults? also in respect of the whole filesystems16:38
zashmikki-kun: flash it?16:39
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mikki-kunflashing also affects other partitions than the rootfs?16:40
MohammadAGif you flash the emmc image then yes16:41
mikki-kunso it's not only the small rootfs i am flashing... good to know :)16:41
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mikki-kuni was told it only affects the rootfs16:42
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MohammadAGmikki-kun, you need to flash both images16:44
MohammadAGthe fiasco image which contains more than the rootfs files (NOLO, xloader etc)16:45
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jacekowskilvm would be nice16:45
mikki-kunNOLO == bootloader?16:45
MohammadAGand the eMMC which flashes the 32GB drive16:45
mikki-kunnever heard of that one16:46
mikki-kunhm, in the wiki is a guide i suppose16:46
ptl_demands_PR12a guide, not a roadmap16:46
mikki-kun3.5 is the most up to date flasher?16:47
ptl_demands_PR12as is common with open-source projects, there is information scattered all over the place, done by voluntary work16:47
ptl_demands_PR12so you have to find your own way around that16:47
MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, flasher is closed :P16:47
mikki-kunclosed?! Ö.ö16:47
MohammadAGclosed source...16:47
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mikki-kuni got that... just do i wanna use closed source apps? ^^16:48
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ptl_demands_PR12MohammadAG: I understand that, what I mean is for the guide and such16:48
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ptl_demands_PR12mikki-kun: the N900 / maemo environment has many things that are open source, but some of them are closed too.16:49
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ptl_demands_PR12mikki-kun: hopefully this will change a bit with meego. Hopefully!16:49
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ptl_demands_PR12Do not expect miracles, though. I don't think Nokia will release the battery driver source code.16:50
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mikki-kunwell, i try to minimize my closed source usage16:50
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mikki-kunhave been using linux myself for now close to 2 years16:50
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MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, one question, why is the battery driver closed?16:51
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ptl_demands_PR12I don't have the slightest idea, MohammadAG. :)16:52
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ptl_demands_PR12I just know that Nokia has a great deal on keeping it closed.16:52
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mikki-kunare there actually any news for meego on the n900 as a main os? i just heard it being some sort of "side product" until now. maybe you know more16:55
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Shapeshiftermikki-kun: never gonna happen16:55
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mikki-kunhmmmm, when will they then be using meego? maemo 6.0 will be for the next device...16:56
mikki-kuni mean, symbian^3 will be out soon as well16:57
ptl_demands_PR12maemo 6 (harmattan) will probably be a meego OS16:57
ptl_demands_PR12I mean, it will be meego-i-fied16:57
mikki-kunok, good point there16:57
ptl_demands_PR12about Meego on the N90016:58
ptl_demands_PR12yes, you can install it16:58
ptl_demands_PR12but it's very crude right now. No apps.16:58
ptl_demands_PR12Only X with a terminal.16:58
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mikki-kunhopefully the next device won't be too far away from the n900 in the hardware specs16:58
SpeedEvilIs there an easy dual-boot meego solution/16:58
ptl_demands_PR12there are news about it all over the place16:58
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, chroot, but it's not exactly dual booting16:59
mikki-kunthat i heard it being just an X term until now... was just curious where the development goes16:59
Treibholzash is not loading ~/.ashrc...16:59
SpeedEvil_I was ondering from a comp.aring powersave modes pov16:59
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ptl_demands_PR12and use an external MMC17:01
ptl_demands_PR12SpeedEvil: you can use bootmenu, can't you?17:01
mikki-kunwhat is actually a warm, and what a cold flash?17:01
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mikki-kunonce you do it in the desert, the other time in the fridge? ^^17:02
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Stskeepslo orbarron17:04
orbarrongm Stskeeps17:05
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FlavioFerreiraBRThe gsoc deadline time is 19:00 UTC . To convert to time of your country use:
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* jeez_ wonders about when PR 1.2 is coming out...17:09
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Surfacomes when it's ready17:10
ptl_demands_PR12that's never.17:11
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ptl_demands_PR12so, release it. :)17:11
ptl_demands_PR12how about we change that? it comes when WE are ready.17:11
ptl_demands_PR12I am ready.17:11
lcukare you sure?17:12
ptl_demands_PR12it might brick my device and break its screen, but at least the wait is over17:12
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mikki-kunso you wanna go bleeding edge then?17:13
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ptl_demands_PR12PR1.2 is not bleeding edge17:14
ptl_demands_PR12it's quite the opposite, it seems17:14
ptl_demands_PR12it's old code.17:14
jacekowskiin new package17:14
mikki-kunin which way?17:14
hrw|gonemikki-kun: nokia do development. at one time they decide: this will be code for users and branch it.17:15
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hrwmikki-kun: then they work on branch to make it work properly, then do certifications etc etc etc17:15
hrwmikki-kun: then they forget about it17:15
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ptl_demands_PR12mikki-kun: I've been discussing this too many times here, I have almost been banned already. My point is: it's taking too long, they released PR1.2 to the SDK a month ago, and updated the autobuilder, many apps are breaking because PR1.2 hasn't been released, and there are many bad effects of this delay.17:16
mikki-kunohhh, now i see17:17
ptl_demands_PR12mikki-kun: it is possible that there are many application releases that are holding back due to PR1.2 being delayed17:17
ptl_demands_PR12and besides17:17
jeez_I just think that the more we wait for PR 1.2 the worst it is to Maemo5, generally. I'm already waiting too much, dreaming about this as if it was "the release of the year".17:17
javispedroptl_demands_PR12: note that we (as in "maemo community") are responsible for the autobuilder, not nokia17:17
ptl_demands_PR12jeez_: yep17:17
ptl_demands_PR12it solves basic usability issues that should have been fixed from the start17:17
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javispedroptl_demands_PR12: and we're already trying to fix that17:17
jeez_I just want an email client with search features :)17:17
ptl_demands_PR12javispedro: sure, but something had to be done to this respect17:17
ptl_demands_PR12javispedro: I've seen some proposals, but the best fix would be simple 'release PR1.2'17:18
Surfaptl_demands_PR12, nice attitude, still17:18
mikki-kunhm... it's nokias device... i suppose pr1.2 is in some way nokia-based-code17:18
javispedroptl_demands_PR12: no, because same would happen when pr1.3 would come by17:18
Surfaeven that you have no idea about anything17:18 ( empty at the moment but i'm sending my code there )17:18
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ptl_demands_PR12jacekowski: cool. What happened to extras-devel?17:18
MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, if they did that when they updated the autobuilder there would've been heavy load on it17:18
mikki-kunso it seems to me that it's their duty to make it a part of their device17:18
ptl_demands_PR12jacekowski: i never got it into my repository list17:18
MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, it's not on the repos anymore17:19
MohammadAGidk why17:19
ptl_demands_PR12MohammadAG: heavy load is not so bad, it means there are programs and activity being uploaded17:19
mikki-kunheavy load is just not good for the battery life17:19
MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, technically they'd have to rebuild all apps using Qt17:19
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jacekowskiptl_demands_PR12: package was fubar17:19
ptl_demands_PR12MohammadAG: Yes, QT 4.6.2, yummy17:19
MohammadAGmikki-kun, the autobuilder runs on AC17:20
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mikki-kunahhh, so the autobuilder is on a pc then?17:20
ptl_demands_PR12jacekowski: did you modify chromium code in any way? Do you plan to?17:20
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ptl_demands_PR12mikki-kun: autobuilder is a service17:20
jacekowskijacekowski:/var/lib/svn/chromium/hooks# cat /var/log/apache2/access.log | grep chromium-5.0 | wc -l17:20
jacekowski700 downloads17:21
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ptl_demands_PR12this package is surely desirable17:21
jacekowskiyeah, huge wow17:21
MohammadAGw00t_, ping17:21
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jacekowskii've seen links to it on arabic/german/russian/french forums17:22
hrwptl_demands_PR12: I agree with you17:22
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jacekowskiand that's only pages that directly link to my server17:22
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ptl_demands_PR12I've told about it in a brazilian forum, but I didn't link your page so that i wouldn't overload your server17:23
jacekowskimy server can't be orverloaded17:23
jacekowskiit's 100mbit connection17:23
* MohammadAG DDOSs jacekowski's server17:23
jacekowskiin datacentre17:23
MohammadAGjk :P17:23
Surfajacekowski, sounds like a challenge ;)17:24
jacekowskiptl_demands_PR12: can you link to that forum?17:24
jacekowskii mean give a link17:24
jacekowskiand i'm amazed that only 50% bothers to read READ_THIS_BEFORE_INSTALLING.txt  that file17:25
frals50%? consider yourself lucky17:25
javispedro50%? record17:25
mikki-kuni think he meant 5% ^^17:26
fralsi put a fucking banner ppl have to click before using fmms and guesstimate is max 10% reads it17:26
ptl_demands_PR12jacekowski: you mean, give you the link to the forum where I told about chromium? Or add a link to your server on the forum?17:26
javispedroi still get daily questions about where to get roms...17:26
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jacekowskiptl_demands_PR12: well you can do both17:26
jacekowskiptl_demands_PR12: but i meant the 1st one17:26
ptl_demands_PR12this is the forum thread about google chrome17:27
mikki-kunhm, a question regarding the 2.2010.08-2 update for n900... it's just a plain update, not a whole new system which i can install after flashing my n900, right?17:27
jacekowskifrals: well, my definition of read is based on amout of people that downloaded it17:27
ptl_demands_PR12and btw, most people there don't speak english, so they won't read READ_THIS_BEFORE_INSTALLING.txt17:27
mikki-kunsorry, meant 02-8, not 08-217:27
raulherbsterdoes anybody know where Dbus signals of interface are defined/documented?17:27
* DocScrutinizer sighs and considers kicking ptl_demands_PR12 just for fun and to create offtime so he might reconsider his attitude17:27
ptl_demands_PR12:( DocScrutinizer17:28
ptl_demands_PR12I have an idea17:29
ptl_demands_PR12instead of kicking me for fun, bully nokia people for fun so that they release PR1.217:29
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DocScrutinizerthat's exactly the point17:29
ptl_demands_PR12It'll be funnier, I assure you :D17:29
* MohammadAG waits for the "ChanServ gives channel operator status to DocScrutinizer"17:30
korhojoaptl_demands_PR12: did you upload a chrome version? whoaaaa17:30
DocScrutinizeralso largely more hopeless and braindamaged action17:30
ptl_demands_PR12korhojoa: not me, jacekowski did17:30
* javispedro thinks of the much needed FINISH HIM!!! button in TMO...17:32
DocScrutinizerptl_demands_PR12: if you had a slightly less trollish attitude, you might apply for 1.2-betatester so you might learn it's NOT ready for primetime. If you really cared you alredy had noticed releasing 1.2 *dows not* cure all issues with borked repos - at least when I assume you're not so stupid like you try to make us believe17:32
Surfawell said indeed17:33
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ptl_demands_PR12DocScrutinizer: ok, fair enough. I'll google for beta-testing then! Or -- can you provide me the link to do that?17:33
jacekowskiptl_demands_PR12: "coloca o link para download ae q fica ate mais facil..." - does it mean something like "link to download or didn't happened?"17:33
ptl_demands_PR12jacekowski: it means "tell the download link here so it gets easier"17:34
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jacekowskiyeah, post that link and don't worry about my server17:34
mikki-kunhm, about flashing the emmc of the n900... do i need an image for this one as well?17:35
ptl_demands_PR12which one? the svn? or the packages?17:35
ptl_demands_PR12mikki-kun: yes17:35
jacekowskipackages at the moment17:35
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KlownerI wish I remember who it was that I was talking about cell providers in the netherlands17:35
ptl_demands_PR12doing that17:36
mikki-kunptl_demands_PR12: hm, i haven't seen those until now17:36
mikki-kunjust one and
mikki-kunbut it's labeled being for 1.2009.41-117:37
mikki-kunstill usable?17:37
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Klowneranyone around that' using an N900 in .nl? I heard vodafone has good pre-paid data plans, I just need it for a week17:39
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korhojoaholy crap chromium is fast17:39
Klownersome guy recommended liberra or something, but I can't find any info17:39
ptl_demands_PR12DocScrutinizer: can't find the beta testing link, can you tell me where it is?17:40
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raulherbsterdoes anybody know where Dbus signals of interface are defined/documented?17:42
mikki-kuni'd actually like to try it as well, if there is a possibility to do so17:42
ptl_demands_PR12DocScrutinizer: I wish you understood that I have good will and my criticism is meant to be constructive. Anyway, if it's still time, I'd be glad to put my efforts where my mouth is. :)17:42
ptl_demands_PR12raulherbster: I'd like to know that too :P I don't know if there is any documentation apart from the dbus probing efforts17:43
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DocScrutinizerptl_demands_PR12: sorry, I don't have decent links to share. Probably somebody else here in this chan can help better - thinking about Stskeeps, X-Fade and other Nokia-affiliated gurus, and of course council17:46
ptl_demands_PR12Stskeeps: do you have the beta-testing link for PR1.2?17:47
fralsi think the 'policy' is, dont contact them, theyll contact you :p17:47
ptl_demands_PR12oh... That makes it more difficult.17:47
fralslast round was based on bug reports or something17:47
frals(i think)17:47
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mikki-kunfrals: you mean, that the more bugs you found the higher the chances where getting invited?17:48
Stskeepsptl_demands_PR12: what beta testing link17:48
Stskeepsi run meego on my n900, works wonders17:48
ptl_demands_PR12Stskeeps: for PR1.2, is there is any link to apply17:48
dmj726_n900it's very textual17:49
fralsmikki-kun: i assume it was something based on bugzilla activity, but i might very well be completly wrong17:49
mikki-kunohhh, ok17:49
Stskeepsptl_demands_PR12: i don't know anything about anything17:49
ptl_demands_PR12Stskeeps: DocScrutinizer suggested that instead I be so critic, I see for myself that PR1.2 is not ready for production time.17:49
ptl_demands_PR12Stskeeps: oh... Ok. :( Anyone who can help me on that?17:49
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Stskeepsptl_demands_PR12: i suggest LSD and i'm sure pr1.1.1 will turn into pr1.217:50
mikki-kuni'd say that everybody who really wants to try something "beta" should be allowed to do so17:50
ptl_demands_PR12Stskeeps: not a chance, last time I did that had a really bad trip17:50
mikki-kunit's then just their prob if they run into problems17:50
nidOmikki-kun: well, not really17:51
nidOyou push out a beta update to everyone who wants it, then everyone will try it17:51
nidOand 99% of those people will just whine when things dont work properly, rather than provide constructive feedback17:51
nidOlook at all the crap on the forums every day about problems with rootfs and similar from people who install -devel software17:51
ptl_demands_PR12Whining might be part of constructive feedback if done properly :P if it is to the right people and telling what's wring17:52
mikki-kunthey should be explicitly warned and asked "windows style" 3 times if they are really sure they wanna update17:52
infobotptl_demands_PR12 meant: Whining might be part of constructive feedback if done properly :P if it is to the right people and telling what's wrong17:52
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nidOpeople have that with -devel software already, and they still install it then whine when their device breaks17:52
mikki-kunwell, i just filled my rootfs with too much stuff ^^ still, enough place to install some apps, just not pr1.1.117:53
DocScrutinizernidO: well I tend to cursing and ranting :-P17:53
mikki-kunand i suppose pr1.2 won't have space either17:53
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mikki-kunbut that is something where i was willing to take the risk17:53
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crashanddieptl_demands_PR12: except nidO is right, most people whine like little bitches and don't provide constructive feedback17:54
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mikki-kuncurrently loading 2.2009.51-1 for flashing...17:54
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ptl_demands_PR12crashanddie: can't disagree with that, paretto rule applies here :)17:55
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Stskeepsptl_demands_PR12: in case of commercial products, bad quality affects your company income17:55
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crashanddieno, it affects your maintenance numbers17:55
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crashanddiebut poor quality of products + good customer service and maintenance/engineering management can provide a company a bigger confidence boost17:58
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ptl_demands_PR12or, lack of features + dream-psychodelic-like advertising might provide the customers the impression that there is 'magic' there (iThings in general)18:01
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ptl_demands_PR12when you don't have features, you don't have too many bugs to fix18:01
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gouverneursecond the iThings18:04
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gouverneurmy cousin just said that he thinks of getting an iPad instead of a full desktop, I just said "what for?"18:05
gouverneurthose stockholm syndrom deceased iLovers I feel sorry for18:06
Shapeshifterapple - computing for the stupid18:06
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gouverneurShapeshifter: thats not true but its expensive18:06
gouverneurkeep it to iThings18:06
gouverneurthose power* stuff is pretty hardcore18:07
korhojoagouverneur: tell him you feel sorry for him18:07
Shapeshiftergouverneur: it is pretty much true. the apple philosopy is that if you have to learn something, it's a bad product.18:07
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gouverneurkorhojoa: thats what I did18:07
ptl_demands_PR12Jobs thinks if you have to use the stylus, it's a bad product18:07
Shapeshiftergouverneur: mh well okay. mac computers are a different thing18:08
ptl_demands_PR12I'll invite him to use the iPad in Brazil and getting your sweaty fingers on the screen18:08
korhojoadamn. i love my stylus18:08
infobotptl_demands_PR12 meant: I'll invite him to use the iPad in Brazil and getting his sweaty fingers on the screen18:08
korhojoameans i don't have to fuck around with my finger in the cold18:08
ptl_demands_PR12Wish my problem was the cold@!18:08
crashanddieTake the apple bashing outside please18:08
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gouverneurShapeshifter: true on iThings, the *real* stuff is good and nothing like easy to learn18:08
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Shapeshiftergouverneur: that's a matter of taste I guess.18:09
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ptl_demands_PR12I don't care about Apple, I am just praising the stylus, crashanddie. Some comparisons inevitably arise from that.18:09
gouverneurjust look at adobe, their stuff (if professional version) is pretty hard to get into18:09
ptl_demands_PR12I bought a second stylus for my N900 just in case.18:09
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ptl_demands_PR12from the guy named 'fake' in tmo.18:09
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gouverneurptl_demands_PR12: I just wont loose mine18:10
ptl_demands_PR12it's sitting besides me... very pretty to see it in the laser-cut stand.18:10
crashanddieptl_demands_PR12: leap of faith :P18:10
gouverneurptl_demands_PR12: picture pls18:10
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ptl_demands_PR12gouverneur: many pictures, even a video:
korhojoalaser cut-stand18:11
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mikki-kunthey looked nice :)18:12
nidOthey are decent, my device is sitting in it's nice black wood stand :>18:15
mikki-kunare those still available?18:16
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jacekowskigouverneur: ipad instead of dektop, wtf?18:16
gouverneurthats again a "what for"18:16
mikki-kuni'd never even think bout buying one18:17
gouverneurjacekowski: that was in my mind but I guess my look told it ;)18:17
mikki-kunwas about the ipad the previous comment ^^18:17
gouverneurmine about the stand18:17
jacekowskicrashanddie: poor product+good service isn't very good idea18:17
jacekowskicrashanddie: because even if product is working in the end user had some downtime18:17
crashanddiejacekowski: most companies get away with it18:17
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jacekowskiwell i know from experience here18:18
crashanddiejacekowski: I'm not talking about your $5 appstore application18:18
jacekowskithat it doesn't work18:18
ptl_demands_PR12the problem about talking so much about the iPad is that we become psychologically fixated about it18:18
jacekowskiwell, i'm talking about £20k18:18
ptl_demands_PR12and we unconsciously nurture the desire to have one18:18
gouverneurjacekowski: with many good products you will raise your customers confidence with a bad and good support18:18
ptl_demands_PR12even if it's a copy with android or meego18:18
crashanddiejacekowski: I'm talking about multi-million project that take 2 years to get up and running18:18
nidOptl_demands_PR12, how about all the tablets that have been around for the past decade18:19
nidOare they now "copies" as well?18:19
jacekowskiand it fails every 2nd day18:19
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jacekowskiand there is downtime18:19
jacekowskii would prefer to have no support and rock solid product18:19
crashanddiejacekowski: it's just not possible at some point18:19
ptl_demands_PR12nidO: of course not. the tablet concept has been around for quite some time. The iPad is a marketing play, tho. It seems new stuff for non-tech-savvy people and even for some tech-savvy people.18:19
gouverneurthere is already an iPad revenge from a german company which is even better on hardware and cheaper18:20
nidOwell, Archos have had two tablets available for months18:20
nidOboth of them are better than ipads, imo18:20
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ptl_demands_PR12nidO: it's the "magic" of Apple. They get geeky stuff, strip them clean then sell as something entirely new18:20
gouverneuryou see18:20
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ptl_demands_PR12and then they convince some developers with promises of getting rich fast with trivial applications18:21
ptl_demands_PR12well, to be frank, they convince MANY developers.18:21
pupnikhow a kickbutt 10hour tablet with bluetooth keyboard support18:22
ptl_demands_PR12Archos doesn't do that.18:22
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pupniklike 77018:22
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jacekowskiptl_demands_PR12: hp slate18:29
ptl_demands_PR12jacekowski: I've read about that.18:29
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hrwGuySoft: which upnp server software you are using to share media with n900?18:30
ptl_demands_PR12You know, I might have some use for a tablet if there are 'good enough' apps for it. At the college.18:30
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ech0Asuserm, i found an ez way to SMS free :)18:35
hrw~die rygel18:36
* infobot murders rygel, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless...18:36
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ptl_demands_PR12ech0Asus: applying to all countries?18:37
jacekowskisteal a phone18:37
ech0Asususing AIM18:37
ptl_demands_PR12AIM? Then it's no SMS.18:38
ech0Asusu have to add the entry to each contact manually though, add +1123123123418:38
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ech0Asusu can SMS from AIM18:38
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ech0Asusinstead of putting a username put the phone number with country code as shown..18:38
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ptl_demands_PR12lemme try it.18:39
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ech0Asusworks with any aim client18:39
nidOare there even people in the world that still actually pay for sms's anyway?18:40
crashanddieech0Asus: I doubt that works for every country18:40
crashanddienidO: loads18:40
crashanddienidO: I pay $.2 per text18:40
ech0Asusi'm not sure which countries have limitations but it works here for me18:41
ech0Asusu just have to try for ur area18:41
ptl_demands_PR12(12:41:22) Unable to send message: Desconectado (Cannot send SMS to this country)18:41
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jacekowskihome time18:41
ptl_demands_PR12tell me your number so I can send SMS to you18:41
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Zahradoes anybody know how can I get backup from my whole maemo on N900?18:42
crashanddieech0Asus: "here" is highly specific, how about you share your country of residence?18:42
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ech0Asusi'm in Houston, TX, USA.18:43
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crashanddieSo, as I said before, probably only works in the US18:44
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ech0AsusKeyser Soze18:45
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ptl_demands_PR12it worked :D18:46
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ptl_demands_PR12and the reply got here too18:46
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crashanddieptl_demands_PR12: want to try me?18:46
crashanddieptl_demands_PR12: I don't have aim18:46
ptl_demands_PR12crashanddie: sure, what's the number?18:46
crashanddiehang on18:47
crashanddieI don't know it18:47
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mikki-kuncrashanddie: you mean, only with an IP from the US it's free or just to US cells it's free?18:47
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crashanddiemikki-kun: dunno18:47
ptl_demands_PR12just to US (and Canada, it seems) cellphones18:48
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mikki-kunwould have been way nicer to have worldwide free sms ^^18:48
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ech0Asusmeh it's from AIM lol18:49
ech0Asuswonder what yahoo's restrictions are18:50
ech0Asusi believe it can SMS18:50
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ech0Asuscan u sms from skype with the n900?18:50
ech0Asusi know you'd have to pay but does it work?18:51
MohammadAGcan't find that option anywhere18:51
brikdoesn't look like it18:51
ech0Asuscause i have skype but i haven't bought the stuff to sms anyone, dont want to if the n900 doesn't support it as thats only thing i use skype on..18:52
crashanddieyou can place calls18:52
crashanddiebut no sms18:52
ech0Asusthat works good18:52
ech0Asusah k18:52
crashanddieoh well, actually you might18:52
ech0Asusso i wont buy that glad i didn't buy it yet lol18:52
* ptl_demands_PR12 needs SMS file sending support... you know, UUDECODE or MIMENCODE then SMS it, lol18:52
crashanddieech0Asus: I only checked with the very first software revision18:53
ptl_demands_PR12let's send a blueray movie file through SMS, uuencoded.18:53
ech0Asuswhy not just send the hex dictionary while ur at it lol18:54
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ech0Asusreadin link18:54
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gouverneuran SMS CLI would be so useful...18:55
ech0Asuswebtexter huh18:55
infobotgouverneur meant: any SMS CLI would be so useful...18:55
crashanddieech0Asus: nha, he's just confirming what I said: sms through skype is not supported18:55
ech0Asusah ok18:56
crashanddieech0Asus: though, I might try it anyway in the next few days18:56
* MohammadAG wonders how to remove a screen protector18:56
crashanddieech0Asus: just add a skype contact but phone number instead of username18:56
gouverneurMohammadAG: with knife?18:56
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MohammadAGgouverneur, WHAT18:56
gouverneurtouchscreen is 54eur so I dont care!18:57
MohammadAGi do18:57
MohammadAGcause I don't have a cc18:57
MohammadAGwell, a real one18:57
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gouverneurmy 3y old has not a single scratch...18:57
MohammadAGstill can't own one legally18:57
ech0Asusif i add a skype contact with a phone number it calls there phone line doesn't sms?18:58
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crashanddieech0Asus: I don't know18:59
crashanddieech0Asus: you would have to select "Skype IM"18:59
crashanddieech0Asus: there is no "Skype SMS" option18:59
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mikki-kunbtw, which browser would you recommend i should use for the n900?19:07
mikki-kuni heard now there is chromium, the standart and fennec19:07
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crashanddiemikki-kun: just go for standard19:08
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crashanddiemikki-kun: if you don't hear people telling you to change, don't19:08
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mikki-kunwell, as the question didn't came up i asked ;)19:08
MohammadAGwow, the screen quality is crisp!19:08
MohammadAGi put a screen protector on it since I got it19:08
MohammadAGit's soo much better without it19:08
ech0Asusanyone have a google voice account i want an invite :(19:09
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mikki-kunMohammadAG: i've been using my n900 without any protector since january 10th19:10
mikki-kunand just one viewable small scratch19:10
SpeedEvil_I see no difference with protection19:10
mikki-kunit's not the best, but still pretty tough19:11
ptl_demands_PR12MohammadAG: my screen quality is the same with my protector, but I bought a somewhat expensive one from, screen clear or something like that, it was US$ 12,0019:11
SpeedEvil_I have _destroyed_ two screen protectors.19:11
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: see? that's why I keep it like gouverneur :-)19:11
ptl_demands_PR12MohammadAG: and I am already thinking about buying another one 'just in case', because it's a very high-quality protector indeed19:11
SpeedEvil_seccateurs in pocket with n900 + bending up. and down a lot19:11
SpeedEvil_I got 10 cheap protectors from ebay for 3 £19:12
SpeedEvil_work for me.19:12
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MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, got another one so I peeled of the scratched one to replace it19:12
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MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, bought mine for 13 shipped19:13
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, without a protector? kind of insane lol19:13
V13is there a reason why packages are did not get imported the last 45 minutes ? (There were two timeslots based)19:13
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: seems I'm a sort of an insane person. I'm just about to buy a new N900, but alas there aren't any here in my town. Have to wait until Tuesday :-S19:15
MohammadAGanother one?19:15
MohammadAGwhat happened to the current one?19:15
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DocScrutinizer:-S (sshhhh)19:16
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ptl_demands_PR12maybe he's trying to make a cluster out of it19:16
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DocScrutinizerPBeck: Hi :-)19:21
PBeckhey DocScrutinizer19:21
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V13something is wrong with the builder...19:22
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, hey do you have a TV?19:23
DocScrutinizeryep, why?19:23
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ShadowJKWell you were saying you'd want to see sysfs nodes before starting mails about bq*, and I was guessing you didn't have ssh setup on it, tvout is next best thing then? :-)19:25
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: If you think of AV-connector - this one showing blue /white-blue vertical bars, 2s each, cycling19:26
ShadowJKah :/19:26
DocScrutinizerthat's what's driving me nuts19:26
SpeedEvil_sounds like a test pattern mode almost19:27
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* DocScrutinizer is wondering if mainboard might be able to detect main-FPC break so communication to 'upper half' has errors. Then entering some test-mode19:29
DocScrutinizernothing faintly similar mentioned in L3/419:30
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DocScrutinizerI mean, aiui AV and LCD are even separate framebuffers19:31
lcukcan run one app on video out19:32
lcukand another on lcd19:32
andrewfblackjacekowski: is that your port of Chromium that is on Engadget?19:32
DocScrutinizeryep. And also no common / shared hw components except SoC itself19:33
DocScrutinizerso if LCD is black, and AV is blue/striped switching... what could that mean19:34
lcukyou are watching the bill with screensaver on?19:35
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DocScrutinizerthe bill? (me suspects pun he's missing)19:35
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lcukyes uk police thing.  dont worry19:36
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lcukis that all that happens from bootup?19:36
lcukcos the device state gives no clues19:36
DocScrutinizernope, everything else as normal as could be19:36
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DocScrutinizeruntil indicator LED pulses my custom idle pattern19:37
DocScrutinizerand ts accepts clicks19:37
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DocScrutinizerreally everything works (except enterin PIN ;-P )19:38
DocScrutinizerand screen black, and AV blue19:38
MohammadAGgod damn ripp off19:39
MohammadAGit doesn't stick19:39
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lcukDocScrutinizer, so your device is happy for first 5 mins or so until screen locks19:43
ech0Asuslol can't make a phone call or send a txt message but my 3g still works fine...19:43
ech0Asusdidn't pay the bill for tmo19:44
DocScrutinizerlcuk: I'd say I can even unlock screen - alas it doesn't help as screen is black :-P19:44
ech0Asuswonder how long it will stay connected on this sim card19:44
ech0Asuswill use it as long as it lasts lol19:44
lcukDocScrutinizer, strange19:45
lcukhave youreflashed yet to see19:45
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DocScrutinizernah, hard to reflash with black screen, well a little hard at least. And I wouldn't expect everything works just screen firmware borked or sth19:46
lcukyou reflash from desktop side :p19:46
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* MohammadAG wonders if fiasco-flasher would flash the nolo19:47
DocScrutinizerhmm yes19:47
DocScrutinizerI think I'll finally put up with it and try to use device over ssh. maybe dmesg is more informative than I dare to hope19:48
DocScrutinizerso that's another reason why I haven't considered reflashing yet19:49
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* DocScrutinizer bbl after fan replacement19:58
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X1938does sygic only support these pak map files ?20:03
* RST38h cackles approvingly after finding the 1st episode of DrWho 301020:04
X1938no possible way to get osm or garmin maps working with sygic?20:04
X1938or perhaps coverting those maps to get them to work with sygic ?20:04
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* V13 demands a working package builder20:07
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PBeckworks minigpsd for anybody?20:17
PBeckwhen i try tangogps to start with minigpsd - the apps founds the gpsd but not get a fix20:18
PBeckor any location information20:18
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* noobmonk3y_ is meh20:28
lcuknoobmonk3y_, im glad you are staying out of the twitter comments20:30
noobmonk3y_twitter comments?20:30
* noobmonk3y_ has to read twitter to keep up with comments20:30
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fralsits "confirm lcuk is insane" hour on twitter atm20:30
* toggles_w confirms20:31
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lcukim not on twitter20:31
lcukim gonna delete @lcuk20:31
lcukfrals didnt jaffa use abook for hermes?20:32
lcukfrom python20:33
fralsyeah im using the same approach now20:33
fralsbut its megaslow20:33
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lcukwhich bit20:33
fralsi need to get the whole abook to a python dict to search for a number20:33
fralsas the search function is missing from the evolution bindings20:34
lcukand you call me insane?20:34
lcukthere could potentially be 1000s20:34
fralshence why its super slow :D20:34
Shapeshifterlcuk: btw I still can't install liqbase-playground. I got this error ever since I tried it the first time months ago; It depends on libliqbase1 (>=0.3.57) but these are missing.20:34
* noobmonk3y_ tweeted for the first time in a while20:34
lcukbarisione, python bindings for abook, are there any reasonable ones floating around20:34
SpeedEvil_does anyone recall if the FM radio can output to phones without goimg throught thr cpu/pulseaudio?20:35
lcuk:( Shapeshifter20:35
noobmonk3y_doubt it20:35
barisionelcuk: not that I know of20:35
lcuki started to optify libliqbase and it kinda turned into something else20:35
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fralsthere were for diablo or something, but they wasnt updated :<20:35
lcuki once auto generated bindings to libliqbase - can the same occur to abook? be used as a base20:36
* lcuk has a hazy memory of ctype class in python?20:36
fralsthere is ctypes for doing straight c-calls inline20:36
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fralsand its fine for using the standard primitives like int/char etc20:37
RST38hehlo lcuk, frals20:37
fralsbut i need to send gboolean types and what not as params and it got way complicated for me :(20:37
fralso/ RST38h20:37
lcukwhat do you actually expect from the search then and whats the return20:37
djkrikkeHi guys, I'm trying to find out how works, so I can create an application that allows maemo users to listen to their streams as well20:37
lcukand is this something you could cover by making a gtk widget - and embedding that in your code20:38
lizardofrals: gboolean is just a typedef for a standard type... IIRC20:38
lcukthereby bypassing the brainfunk/slowness20:38
lcukhey RST38h20:38
djkrikkeProblem is, it looks like they are using an icecast server "on demand", when you open the application on the iphone and pick a channel, they start streaming it. Any ideas on how to "inspect" what web traffic is going on? I used fiddler but he doesn't mention anything about a request, only images etc20:38
fralslcuk: nah, i need to do the number lookup to get a name to show so cant hide it with a gtk widget call, tried that20:38
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lcukfrals, its late on friday - that didnt parse - you just posted blog post - indicate on screenies20:39
fralslizardo: yeah, its a typedef for a regular int iirc, but i was seg faulting when i sent an int - most likely to me not knowing enough about ctypes to do it properly either way20:39
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fralslcuk: what i need is this function pretty much
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lcukyes frals, but which bit of the ui are you putting the answer on20:42
* noobmonk3y_ hmmmmmmm's start some coding or not.......20:42
fralsthe main view where it lists all the messages and who its from20:42
lcukcan you make a composite widget that does that bit too along with the search20:42
lcukahh its per message20:42
lcukright uderstood20:43
noobmonk3y_lcuk, whats the chance of me being able to visualise microhophone input on the n900? :D (Equaliser i spose?)20:43
fralsim thinking about working around it by doing the lookup as soon as the message arrives and then just save the contact id in the database of messages20:43
noobmonk3y_no entirely sure how just to open a feed though20:43
fralsand have my daemon load the damn list on start, which would hide how slow it is from the ui20:43
lizardofrals: hey I believe I played with this function some time ago... I wasn't able to make it work even on C :(20:44
fralslizardo: doh :(20:44
lcuknoobmonk3y_, i have liqmic :$20:44
lizardofrals: do have any *working* C example code using it ?20:44
lcukits quite easy in c20:44
noobmonk3y_ooooo damn c20:44
lcukbut it needs silly speed processing20:44
noobmonk3y_first ... need to figure out how to bring in mic onformation20:44
fralslizardo: dont think so im afraid20:44
lcuknoobmonk3y_, python would choke!20:44
* noobmonk3y_ wants to choke python :D20:44
lizardofrals: the only way I could make a query on phone number was using the lowlevel libebook plus some sort of VCAL query string20:45
lcuklizardo, from python?20:45
fralslizardo: right, cheers20:45
lizardolcuk: on C20:45
shvedskynoobmonk3y_: usually the python chokes YOU!!20:45
lizardolcuk: but on python would work too... but is not nice to use libebook directly IIRC20:45
* noobmonk3y_ will beat python to the ground and then whack the python around it's head with Frals until it submits......20:45
fralsi was trying something similiar with python-evolution, but the bindings in -devel is missing the search functions20:45
lizardobecause you lack some interesting metadata20:45
lcukfrals i bet that osso_abook_query_phone_number function could work20:46
fralsor well, it only contains one search with is search by contact name :<20:46
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lizardofrals: the deal is : bring me some working C code using that function and I promise to bring you functional ctypes code :D20:46
fralslizardo: deal! :)20:47
lizardolcuk: do you have sample code for it ?20:47
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lizardoany *C* code at all? :)20:47
fralslcuk: mind bringing me some c code for that...? ;)20:47
lcukno lizardo im n00b on python20:47
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lcukits something we need to look at tho20:47
lcukfor fmms benefit!20:47
lizardolcuk: and C ?20:47
* noobmonk3y_ sent an mms today :D yay20:48
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fralsnoobmonk3y_: :D20:48
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lcuki can write c with hands tied behind back, but im dont know specifics of the api needs looking at tho20:48
noobmonk3y_i find it hard to type with no hands :(20:49
fralsnoobmonk3y_: i have the same problem, but you know lcuk is some kind of demi-computer20:49
lcuknokia touchscreen devices work with more than just your fingers20:49
lcukif you have a long20:50
lcuknose - you can easily use the osk20:50
noobmonk3y_i think he is a re-incarnation of deep-blue, and would hate to have to play him at chess20:50
noobmonk3y_Or whatever that ibm computer was actually called, something blue?!20:50
DocScrutinizereyetracker, if only the aux cam wasn't such an utter crap ;-P20:50
RST38hlcuk: Will sausage do?20:51
noobmonk3y_hmmmmmm i really really really really really really really really really really  want a decent pyqt gui ide thingy20:51
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RST38hwrite one20:51
* noobmonk3y_ gets his pen n paper........... this may not work........20:52
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lcukRST38h, frozen?20:53
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lcuknoobmonk3y_, did you know, pyqt code looks shockingly similar to my liq* stuff20:54
noobmonk3y_messy? lol20:54
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* MohammadAG_ is back after a ****y round of CoD20:56
MohammadAG_noobmonk3y_, \o20:56
* noobmonk3y_ farts20:56
MohammadAG_I'm not sure what to say really20:57
lcukits best you dont speak20:57
lcukor breath20:57
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RST38hlcuk: heated!20:59
mrweaselhi! I'm currently running mer on my n900. Is there any way to access the maemo rootfs from mer?20:59
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noobmonk3y_ooooo mer on the n900 :D21:00
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* noobmonk3y_ prods MohammadAG 21:00
noobmonk3y_lol MohammadAG is the ghost of MohammadAG_ ?21:00
MohammadAG_noobmonk3y_, nah, I'm on my PC21:01
MohammadAGand i'm on the N90021:01
noobmonk3y_Which one is your n900?21:01
noobmonk3y_~ping MohammadAG21:01
infobotpong MohammadAG21:01
noobmonk3y_does your device still die whilst being pinged? ;)21:01
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MohammadAG_err what? lol21:03
* noobmonk3y_ grins21:03
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noobmonk3y_odd question, but opengl works on the n900 in some way?21:05
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noobmonk3y_so there should somewhere be an opengl sort of library? - or am i on the wrong tracks?21:05
lcukqt has qt functionality too21:06
GuySofthrw|gone, you pinged me by mistake?21:06
lcuknot sure how it comes into your py stuff tho21:06
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noobmonk3y_lack of documentation is fun for 10 minutes.......21:07
MohammadAG_noobmonk3y_, what do you need that for?21:07
noobmonk3y_MohammadAG, to fill healcheck requests..... hard to learn new things without seeing documentation, preferably in english21:08
fralsnoobmonk3y_: documentation is overrated, reverse engineering is where the fun is at ;)21:08
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noobmonk3y_i also want to do pull my finger - in style ;)21:08
MohammadAG_oh, thought you wanted to stress test the N90021:08
noobmonk3y_frals, that is good enough as documentation for me in most cases... but i dont even know where to start in open gl :P21:09
noobmonk3y_not supported in pyqt until 4.721:09
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noobmonk3y_that makes more sense21:09
lcukglad something does21:11
* lcuk has been pondering something all afternoon and i think i have it21:11
* MohammadAG_ wonders what lcuk is happy about :P21:11
* MohammadAG_ just checked his twitter21:12
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lcukMohammadAG_, @frals @texrat @anidel @h0pbeat  are required for context21:13
lcuktho they should all be blocked instead21:13
ech0Asusanyone know how much longer my 3g is going to stay connected? lol can't call or send txt but can call w/ skype on 3g still.. didn't pay my tmo bill lol.21:13
ech0Asus3g workin good21:14
MohammadAG_lol @ lcuk21:15
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* lcuk cannot remember if hes following MohammadAG_ 21:15
dmj726_n9001my pidgin window is there a shortcut to toggle that?21:15
lirakisi downloaded the NYC subway map pdf to my n900, but the n900 says it is encrypted and needs a password... which is not ture21:15
lcuktho if he joins in calling my coding insane it wont be for long21:16
lirakisi can view the pdf fine on my computer21:16
* MohammadAG_ thinks so...21:16
ech0Asuswonder if they capped the speed on it some21:16
MohammadAG_yep you're following me lcuk :D21:17
dmj726_n9001or if it is a strange bug21:17
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lcukrandom people21:17
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MohammadAG_<lirakis> i downloaded the NYC subway map pdf to my n900, but the n900 says it is encrypted and needs a password... which is not ture21:17
MohammadAG_it happens with the service manuals too21:17
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lirakisMohammadAG,  is there a fix for this????21:18
MohammadAG_lirakis, not that I know of21:18
lirakisthats insane21:18
Zahradoes anybody know how can I get backup from my whole maemo OS on N900?21:18
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MohammadAG_Zahra, your whole OS?21:19
MohammadAG_as in all of /?21:19
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Nils^hi. i realized the terminal sends a wrong return code. but there is already a patch in the tracker. any known workaround?21:20
nidOcp -R /* /remotedrivesomewhere21:20
nidOwould probably do it21:20
* lirakis is trying evince21:20
nidOyou arent expecting it to work after doing so though, right?21:20
lirakis.. totally weak that the pdf viewer is broken21:20
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ZahraMohammadAG_: yes, but I mean to restore it when my OS removed21:21
nidOthen no. why would you want to?21:22
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ZahraI want to test it with some thing & I guess It may removes my maemo21:24
ZahraI really want to get & image from it & recover with that image21:25
nidOwhy not just take a normal backup, then reflash and restore the backup like everyone else?21:25
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ZahranidO: hmm! I didn't find any image to flash!21:26
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TomaszDwell god damn...
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MohammadAG_the IRC isn't a manual/wiki21:30
StskeepsTomaszD: poland's a funny country when it comes to open source21:30
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TomaszDStskeeps, why do you think so?21:30
StskeepsTomaszD: well, for starters, we don't have magazines with ubuntu cds in front in .dk21:30
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TomaszDStskeeps, heh, actually, I was an editor for one of those magazines21:31
keesjcan i unmute my device from the command line?21:31
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keesjI Have lost my n900 but still can ssh to it21:31
StskeepsTomaszD: it's all your fault obviously21:31
ZahraMohammadAG_: I didn't see that, btw getting a link dosn't mean irc is a manual!21:31
TomaszDStskeeps, yeah ;) Prepared a whole issue with about Ubuntu 7.10, remastered the CDs...21:32
frosty`keesj: alsamixer maybe?21:32
MohammadAG_well at least say thanks instead of arguing...21:32
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Vanadishai thar21:32
keesjfrosty`: no that is on 100% and I am trying to play using mplayer -ao pluse21:32
StskeepsTomaszD: what year?21:32
StskeepsTomaszD: just wondering if that was what i saw :P21:33
TomaszDStskeeps, Ubuntu 7.10 man, not that hard to figure out, it was new back then :P21:33
TomaszDlate 200721:33
* Stskeeps ponders21:33
Stskeepsi guess i did go to poland for the first time there21:33
Stskeepsin december there21:34
TomaszDthat would be an awesome coincidence21:34
TomaszDI don't think I have a copy around anymore21:34
TomaszDmaybe at my parent's home21:34
Stskeepsi guess i saw it in empik or something there :P21:34
TomaszDyeah, they did sell there too21:35
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Stskeepswell then it must have been that :P21:35
TomaszDI pretty much stopped blogging so they don't offer me anymore of these jobs21:36
TomaszDpay was awful, so I don't regret it21:36
TomaszDso yeah, anyone wants some articles written about Linux in general, English, Polish, contact me21:37
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Jaffalcuk: Yeah, I was going to say - frals: I use ctype to access libosso-abook from Python22:02
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konttorianybody know if there is a way to make hildon.GtkHScale() to be less high? (it's showing the progress time indicator on top of the slider, which makes widget really high)22:04
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* SpeedEvil rofls.22:08
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lizardoJaffa: heve you tried using using ctypes ?22:09
lizardoJaffa: I could make it work even on pure C...22:09
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ShadowJKAwesome, Nokia's brewery has started making a hefe weissbier22:13
ShadowJKif this is a tenth as good as the real thing I'll be happy22:13
panaggioI've sent my project to GSoC, and a friend asked me to put it on the Wiki22:13
shvedskyGSoC deadline went unnoticed here :-)22:14
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panaggiobut I don't know where to put it22:14
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panaggiothere are easy, medium and hard22:15
panaggiobut I don't know where my project belongs22:15
panaggioit's here:
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fralskonttori: you could try a size_request() since it inherits from gtk.Widget I guess - but thats not guaranteed to work22:16
SpeedEvilI'd guess at medium.22:16
SpeedEvilI don't know the criterion though.22:16
konttorifrals: ok, I'll try22:17
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fralskonttori: nvm, i mixed it up with something else22:18
fralskonttori: set_size_request(width, height) was what i meant22:18
konttoriyeah, but probably would not work at all (or make the gfx ugly)22:19
fralsmost likely yeah22:19
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shvedskypanaggio: gsoc doesn't have much traction in this channel, actually22:23
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panaggioshvedsky: is there any other channel where I can search for help on maemo-related gsoc projects?22:25
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shvedskypanaggio: if there is, I'm not aware of it (and I wrote an application!)..22:28
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panaggioshvedsky: ok. thanks anyway =) a friend told me vdvsx could help with this22:29
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shvedskypanaggio: I wish I had such friends! :-)22:34
nidOjust ask what you need here22:34
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shvedsky...and get no aswer22:35
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konttorifrals: hscale.set_draw_value(False) did the trick. Now I just draw the value somewhere else (if I want)22:41
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fralskonttori: :)22:44
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trumeeanybody using sip over openvpn?22:44
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* lcuk cries22:49
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Testertrumee: I think there is a trick to make it work.. the sip thing only takes one ip address (but dont ask me what the trick is)22:51
lcuktripzero, just frals etc picking on me22:51
tripzerooh, heh22:51
lcuki'd tell my mum over them and stuff, but she will just agree with em :p22:51
* frals comforts lcuk22:51
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panaggionidO: I don't know where to put my gsoc project on the wiki22:52
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Jaffalizardo: No, not tried that22:57
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lcuklizardo, you could or couldnt make it work?22:58
Myrttiwhee, I see the docs have been uploaded22:58
lcukwe know its a c api22:58
lcukMyrtti, indeed22:58
lizardolcuk: I couldn't , feel free to try it... :D22:58
lizardolcuk: and send us the C code! :D22:59
lcukoooh i knew there was something, tracy got an n900 and she demanded - yes demanded - the manual for it.22:59
lcuki thought of you :)22:59
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lcukright lizardo ok22:59
lcuki dont have full code, i do however know where theres an example app using the api in c22:59
lcuk(not so sure of example - but working using etc)22:59
lcukin c22:59
lizardolcuk: url?23:00
lcukMyrtti, that n900 documentation comment was meant for you23:00
lcukbig red lights stopped me, i immediately thought of you and needed to say thanks :)23:00
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fralso/ RevdKathy23:03
RevdKathyHiya all23:03
RevdKathyHi frals23:03
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RevdKathyI walk in and they all start leaving23:04
JaffaHi RevdKathy23:04
RevdKathyHi Jaffa. How's tricks?23:04
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JaffaBusy :-/23:05
* Jaffa thinks the next MWKN issue is looking remarkably light23:06
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RevdKathyAre you carrying Meego news as well, Jaffa?23:06
JaffaRevdKathy: Yup23:06
RevdKathyThere's a good dialogue going on what is the understanding of 'community' you could cover23:07
* Jaffa reckons RevdKathy is perfect contributor material now ;-)23:08
fralsJaffa: if you light on stuff you can mention ;-)23:08
opdf2anone using nokia messageing on Tmobile USA?23:08
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Jaffafrals: Indeed :-)23:09
RevdKathyThe debate appears to be about what to call the forum, Jaffa, but it's atually about different people's understandings of what community actually *is*23:09
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JaffaRevdKathy: Oh, you mean Texrat's "exclude the word 'work'" thread?23:10
RevdKathyyep, that one Jaffa23:10
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lcuklizardo, i forgot, checked with author (workmate who developers abook) and this is a public tho unadvertised usage;a=blob;f=jid-to-email.c;h=cc461deb8fa02530c95c709cae51b2151b63a307;hb=master23:15
lcukor something like that23:15
lcukheya RevdKathy \o23:15
opdf2i totally dont see Nokia Messaging under email providers...23:15
RevdKathyHi lcuk. I didnt fart yet.23:15
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lcukRevdKathy, keep it that way23:16
RevdKathyI will. Just came from dance class - pelvic floor in tip top shape23:16
nomisgrgh. Random FAT corruption. WTF?23:17
* Myrtti got that yesterday on her ebook reader23:17
threshthree letters fully explain what's going on.23:18
threshF. A. T.23:18
nomisFile Allocation Thrash?23:18
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SpeedEvilFaith Atomic Chicken?23:19
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lcukFarts are Toxic23:22
RevdKathyFresh Air Totally23:25
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inzFailing Acronyms Team23:31
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mikki-kunhi uhm23:31
mikki-kunif i use the backup-tool and backup my communcation and calender, will my conversations be also backed up?23:32
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pwnguinanyone looked into the BT audio stack to see if it supports direct mp3?23:33
mikki-kunMohammadAG: thanks :)23:33
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opdf2nm i used an AT&T sim card to "unlock" Nokia messaging. I guess Nokia messaging will not show up under Tmobile USA23:33
pwnguinim looking to pick up some headphones and they claim to support SBC and MP323:34
MohammadAG_np :)23:34
mikki-kun*hard resetting my n900*23:34
MohammadAG_mikki-kun, flashing the rootfs should also keep the convos23:34
mikki-kunwell, i flash both, rootfs and emmc23:34
pwnguini guess it would be difficult for pulseaudio alone to handle it23:35
MohammadAG_oh ok23:35
mikki-kunyeah, sometimes i am a lil slow thinking ^^23:35
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mikki-kunbut then i get it23:35
MohammadAG_lol it's not a well known term anyways23:35
mikki-kunstill, most abbreviations (spelled correct? - suppose no ^^) should be self-explaning23:36
MohammadAG_gotta love spelling corrections xD23:37
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mikki-kunsuppose i spelled it right then :D23:41
MohammadAG_lol I just wrote it again and spell checked :p23:42
mikki-kunyay \o/ suppose my english isn't that bad after all then ^^23:42
ShadowJKI think operators typically have exclusive rights to nokia messaging in a specific country23:44
ShadowJKbut i'm not sure23:44
MohammadAG_yep, not sure about the N900 nm, but yes it can controlled by operators23:45
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lizardolcuk: hmm, I don't see any calls to osso_abook_query_phone_number() on that URL... will look on the other C files though :)23:47
lizardotks anyway23:47
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lizardolcuk: oops, only one C file :/23:47
lcuklizardo, it may not have specific call in but its got everything required to talk with api as intended, i havent looked fully myself tho yet23:48
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lizardolcuk: the problem is... the examples on the Maemo 5 dev guide all work (even from python) , but that function in particular I could not get to work...23:49
lizardolcuk: I mean, basic contacts listing and access work just fine23:49
lizardolcuk: the "problem" (well at least I think)  is searches by phone number23:49
* MohammadAG_ looks at the 1.7GHz N900 and sighs23:49
lcukok lizardo then can you do me a favour23:49
mikki-kunhm, regarding the flasher... so, my device is turned off, i charge it, till it's full, take the powercord off, hold the u button of the n900's keyboard, plug the usb in and then the flashing should start?23:49
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lcukcould you put a test case together of correct expected usage so we can file proper bug?23:50
PhonicUKwtf? 1.7GHz?23:50
PhonicUKdid someone break one open and stick some LN2 on it?23:50
KMFDMwtf how23:51
KMFDMlol giant cooler23:51
lizardolcuk: sure , once I find it :) (it was a long time ago, I remembered because of frals request)23:51
PhonicUKis the N900 'opened up' behind there?23:52
PhonicUKor is it just on the battery cover23:52
lcuklizardo, ahh - either way, (if it works now even better) if we can get example together for frals benefit it would be superb23:52
Arkenoistill no native mms support in 1.2? omfg23:52
lcukdo you have 1.2?23:52
SpeedEvilPhonicUK: it's a fake23:52
MohammadAG_Arkenklo, there isn't going to be MMS23:52
MohammadAG_SpeedEvil, ?23:53
SpeedEvil(09:50:36 PM) MohammadAG_:
lizardofrals: one option is to iterate over the contacts like in aggregator_ready_cb() on that lcuk link.,.. have to go now23:53
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MohammadAG_SpeedEvil, yes I know, how'd you know it was fake?23:53
MohammadAG_(not arguing btw)23:53
javispedrowant to see my 3,77 Thz N900?23:54
SpeedEvilthe person that created it was discussing it.23:54
javispedro3,777 Thz ;)23:54
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MohammadAG_javispedro, sure ;)23:54
PhonicUKWanna see my N900 with an AMD Phenom quad core inside? It runs windows Vista and I added an extra TB of storage23:54
ShadowJKI saw a photo where N900 was strapped to that same cooler, and it said ">9000" for CPU speed :D23:54
javispedroMohammadAG: you patch conky yourself23:55
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MohammadAG_it's kind of fail...23:55
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lcuki was wondering when the first liquidcooled mobile phone would emerge.23:56
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lcukwonder if it would work with toilet water?23:56
javispedrosteve jobs will invent that23:56
MohammadAG_lcuk, Q3 :p23:56
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MohammadAG_javispedro, it would be using apple juice then :)23:57
PhonicUKjavispedro, no - he'd wait till someone else did it first in a better device, then claim it was "new and innovative" in apples new device23:57
PhonicUKwhich will cost 3x as much, have 1/2 the features, and will sell millions23:57
lcukMohammadAG_, apple juice looks like pee too23:57
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lcukRevdKathy, we gots shouted at23:57
lcukit was your fault23:57
RevdKathyI saw. Naturally my fault23:58
MohammadAG_"Cool your iPhone 4GS by urinating" lcuk23:58
RevdKathyI have broad shoulders. I can take the blame23:58
lcukinfact, lets blame texrat - he aint here to protest :D23:58
MohammadAG_It's gonna be magical!23:58
nidOwho shouted?23:58
RevdKathyNah. I'll take the blame, and log off to bd and sob myself to sleep23:58
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lcuk"boo hooo *PARPPPPPPPPPP* sob"23:59
RevdKathyWho did the Paddington pic?23:59

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