IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-03-23

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Corsaclast year I tried to gps trace the plane course but gps is too heavy on battery :)00:01
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* Arif_ ponders on how crappy European flights are00:02
Arif_we don't get anything..00:02
lcukthere should be a low powered gps that only tells you if you deviate from the flightpath00:02
lcukok, ok, ok, ok, ok, crap00:02
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crashanddielcuk: and raise an alert if your course brings you near important buildings00:02
fralsanyone around HEL next monday? ;o00:03
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SpeedEvil1crashanddie: Also a skydiving tutorial app.00:03
* frals looks around and glances over at mr bacon00:03
SpeedEvil1'learn to skydive in 20s'00:03
Arif_the iPhone will do that automagically!00:04
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crashanddiethough, I have to say, flying out from Dubai is a bit weird, because for once you look like a terrorist, being the only white kid with a suitcase full of wires and electronical equipment, in a plane full of bearded muslims00:04
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* noobmonk3y will brb00:05
Myrttimoar painkillers!00:05
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SpeedEvil1Moved ~10 tons of soil this week00:05
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Arif_you'll probably get questioned and miss your flight :(00:05
crashanddielcuk: another feature would be the network detection mode00:07
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lcukfrals, i dunno yet00:08
Arif_now you mention network detection...our airport wants to count people via bluetooth00:08
RurouniJonesJust be careful of British Airways flight attendants.00:08
RurouniJonesI tihnk they are recruited from School cafeteria personnel.00:08
Arif_RurouniJones, last thing I saw they were making pr0n in the airplanes xD00:09
RurouniJonesAlso read the "Freefall survival guide" very funny and interesting.00:09
jacekowskiArif_: that's why european flights are so cheap00:10
Arif_they're not exactly cheap00:10
jacekowskiArif_: i mean - you can get from east to west for like £3000:11
RurouniJonesIf you don't mind being abused by Ryanair00:11
Arif_NL>TR is like 200 euro in the summer00:11
jacekowskiif you are flexible on dates00:11
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jacekowskiArif_: can you be more precise00:11
Arif_Holland>Turkey is like 200+ euro in the summer period00:11
Arif_thats not what I call cheap00:12
jacekowskiaccording to skyscanner it's 20000:12
jacekowskibut for return ticket00:12
jacekowskiso it works out 100 for nl>tr00:12
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Arif_hmm, guess its different here00:13
RurouniJonesRight, orf to work. For those interested, enjoy the freefall research page:
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Arif_have fun =}00:14
jacekowskiuse skyscanner00:14
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jacekowskilowest price £89 for 21 jun00:15
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jacekowski15 jun00:16
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Arif_one way is 150 on June 2200:16
Arif_return was near 30000:16
Arif_guess its cheaper there =}00:17
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* Arif_ plans on leaving somewhere in that week00:17
jacekowskii've been in france last week00:17
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Arif_I've been in France once00:19
Arif_I didn't really like it...={00:19
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corecode_lots of frenchmen, eh00:22
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ShadowJKN900 acquired lock in place where sirfstarIII doesn't :)00:48
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: heh - I guess with A though01:10
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DocScrutinizeractually sirfstar-III was top of the pile ~2 years (iirc) ago, meanwhile other chipsets are on par or even better01:15
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ShadowJKit's a nice benchmark01:16
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* noobmonk3y prods Khertan01:22
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DocScrutinizernoobmonk3y: he seems rather pissed01:33
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noobmonk3yand not here :)01:34
DocScrutinizernot here?01:34
noobmonk3ywell he isnt replying :D01:34
DocScrutinizerdefine "here"01:34
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noobmonk3ytalking to me, he may be in another #room lol01:35
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Funnyfacewhen the N900 is in standby mode, is the screen supposed to be completely black, or is there a way to just turn off the backlight?01:47
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pupnikinteresting question01:48
pupnikis n900 screen viewable without backlight in sunlight?01:48
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massoudHi there01:55
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b0unc3hey guys, is there any way to open the statusbar popup from command line ? (or by making some lines of code)02:00
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massoudI am trying to play xvid videos but can find the right app02:14
tremnite all, sweet dreams02:14
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DocScrutinizergood enough for viewing NOKIA anyway02:15
DocScrutinizereven in dimmed room, not only in sunlight02:17
DocScrutinizerafail it's even in the specs for N90002:17
DocScrutinizerafaik even02:17
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C-S-B-N900massoud, standard media player is sufficient02:18
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C-S-B-N900is there a tab on n90002:18
C-S-B-N900for xchat to auto complete nicks02:18
DocScrutinizertabkey? no02:19
DocScrutinizerC-S-B-N900: change shortcut in xchat settings02:19
C-S-B-N900i  can see the lack of key.02:19
DocScrutinizershift-space is the common suggestion02:19
Funnyfacesorry got disturbed and forgot I had asked a question here... lol02:19
Funnyfacewell yes the screen is viewable without backlight, I noticed that when it rebooted02:20
Funnyfaceit displayed the nokia splash screen without backlight02:20
pupnikC-S-B-N900: in terminal use ctrl-i02:20
DocScrutinizer[2010-03-23 01:15:40] <DocScrutinizer> good enough for viewing NOKIA anyway02:21
crashanddiepupnik: italic terminal?02:21
pupnikfor tab02:21
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pupnikyou making fun of me for wanting keyboard paste with ctrl-v i bet :)02:22
DocScrutinizerC-S-B-N900: settings- advanced. kbd-shortcuts02:22
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C-S-B-N900DocScrutinizer theres an auto complete opetion, shame its not working02:22
njsf_1re Hi all02:23
DocScrutinizerC-S-B-N900: works like a charm here02:23
C-S-B-N900really Docscrutinizer,oh yeah just did.02:23
pupnikautocomplete in chat should work on all recently typed words > 5 chars02:23
DocScrutinizerC-S-B-N900: xchat menu: settings-> advanced-> kbd-shortcuts02:23
crashanddiewhen people started sending out sms messages on numeric keyboards, they were complaining that it took 2 lng 2 rite th hol wrd02:24
crashanddiethen they started doing it on full keyboards as well, saying it jst aloud 4 fstr txtng02:26
crashanddienow people have full blown keyboards on their phones, and they still go "IT'S TOO LONG TOO TYPE I TELL THEE"02:26
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crashanddieget a grip, your time isn't so important that you can't take the time to spell out a full word.02:26
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: you're well?02:27
crashanddietrying to vent on unimportant things rather than people :)02:27
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DocScrutinizerI hope it's unrelated to autocompletion - otherwise you'd be somewhat mistaken02:28
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dmj726_n900I just installed ubuntu 10.04 using my n900 as a liveusb.02:29
dmj726_n900only took 11 minutes to install.02:29
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dmj726_n900I'm preety impressed that the n900 can do that.02:30
crashanddieit's a usb device02:30
C-S-B-N900dmj726_n900: if you happen to get the maemo sdk working in lucid,let me know.02:30
dmj726_n900once had a bad experience attempting the samething on a garmin.02:30
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crashanddiedmj726_n900: the plural of anecdotes isn't data02:31
dmj726_n900does it not work on lucid?02:31
C-S-B-N900data is plural.02:31
dmj726_n900i know.  shall we try it on an iphone? ;)02:31
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crashanddieC-S-B-N900: but not of anecdote :)02:31
sevardDoes anyone use erming + gpe calendar on their n810?02:31
sevardI ask because I can not, for the life of me, get erming to accept my u/p.02:32
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dmj726_n900If it doesn't work I'll have to chroot to my karmic install02:33
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C-S-B-N900dmj726_n900: everything installed ok here but i cant get it to work. dbus errors02:34
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dmj726_n90032 or 64?02:35
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dmj726_n900hmm...hopefully 64 won't be an issue.02:35
C-S-B-N900it also mentions hal. which has gone...02:35
C-S-B-N900isnt 64 more of an issue?02:36
dmj726_n900ah...hal deprecation02:36
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dmj726_n900it could be an issue or not...kinda random.02:36
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njsf_1dmj726_n900: not that random... afaik the cortex A8 is a 32 bit CPU02:39
njsf_1or did I understood you wrong about wanting to run it on the n900?02:40
dmj726_n900no I used it to install on my hdd02:41
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njsf_1oh ok, you got me confused for a while :D02:42
dmj726_n900the 64 bit was more about running the sdk02:42
njsf_1well 9.10 is still a mixed 32+64 distro so it should work fine02:42
njsf_1not sure about 10.04, but I suspect the same, did not check02:42
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MrGooseuh... nevermind, had the irc window scrolled up03:02
tylerfixerHey, is anyone working on a SMS-from-PC app for the N900?03:03
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tylerfixerWith my WinMo phone I have an app called "Jeyo Mobile Companion" that lets me SMS from my PC with an outlook-like interface. If no one's working on something similar, maybe I should.03:04
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DocScrutinizertylerfixer: I think I don't get your point03:06
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tylerfixerThis app would let you plug your N900 into your computer via usb, or even over wifi/bluetooth and send/receive SMS using your desktop.03:07
DocScrutinizeraah wait, you want to send SMS via a tethered N900, from an app on your windows PC?03:07
tylerfixerJeyo Mobile Companion is what I use on my current WinMo phone.03:08
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DocScrutinizermost generic way would probably incluse cygwin, to run the genuine N900 sms app on your windows desktop03:08
tylerfixerRather, my idea was to have a python app on the N900 that would communicate with a java or C/Qt app on the desktop and allow sending SMS by using the N900's cellular modem03:09
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tylerfixerI know how to do this, I am starting on a simple java UI for the desktop, and about to begin on the python app for the n900 tomorrow. My only question would be if anyone else is interested, so I would know what level of documentation and ease-of-use should be expected.03:10
DocScrutinizerthe n900 modem tethering isn't much different to any other modem I'd guess. otoh I have no idea what nokia's PC-suite provides03:10
Tobarja_n810is flash somewhere in maemo extras?03:10
DocScrutinizermaybe you got this function there, ready to use03:10
tylerfixerDocScrutinizer: I'm not sure what you mean? I am sure there is no such function as of yet.03:11
njsf_1DocScrutinizer: as of today Ovi Suite provides only contact sync and backup03:11
njsf_12 updates ago also would do calendar sync03:11
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njsf_1this is tethered sync with Outlook03:12
tylerfixerI guess one question would be if there was a method to allow custom 'conduits' like ActiveSync on WinMo or PalmOS does, but only through Ovi Sync03:12
DocScrutinizerno idea. I got not even any redmond borne OS here03:12
njsf_1Oh and supposedly also USB net tethering control but never tried it03:13
sevardoh my god03:13
sevarddoes -anyone- use GPE Calendar03:13
njsf_1Ovi suite is supposed to sync messages, but not so with N90003:13
tylerfixerShould we?03:13
sevardon their n81003:13
njsf_1it is a f'ing bloated piece of s**t03:13
tylerfixernjsf_1: Ovi Sync? or GPE ?03:14
njsf_1FYI I continue to talk about Ovi suite :D03:14
tylerfixeroh haha okay03:14
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tylerfixerIRC is so complicated.03:14
sevardReality is confusing.03:14
sevardSo seriously, no GPE experimenters?03:15
sevardLooking through the forums it looks like this stuff actually worked at one point.03:15
njsf_1I tried it in Dec after getting the N900, was not very impressed03:15
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njsf_1it did work, but I need more fancy stuff03:16
tylerfixerMy base plan for the SMS from PC app is to study the USSD-widget source and find how it receives SMS replies, and then figure out how to transport that *somehow* to the N900, whether via USB or wifi/BT.03:16
njsf_1still using DateBk6 on garnet VM :(03:16
DocScrutinizertylerfixer: USSD is *absolutely unrelated* to SMS03:16
sevardnjsf_1: fancy? jeeze.  I can't even get it to work.  It's supposed to sync with your private ics link from google calendar, but I can't get that to work.  SO then I tried ermile, which doesn't work at all.03:16
sevardI'm starting to think, is this a joke?03:16
tylerfixerDocScrutinizer: I know. The only thing that I would look for is how it receives the replies. I can either just plain 'ol read the SMS database with my python application, or I can directly get the SMS reply as it comes in, as does USSD-pad/widget03:17
DocScrutinizerand USSD widget does exactly one thing: send AT+CSD to pnatd03:17
njsf_1this == GPE sevard? I never even tried sync, since the plain data entry was enough to see I needed more control that it allowed03:17
sevardthis?  Yes, this is what I'm trying to do with GPE Calendar03:18
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sevardto subscribe to my google ics private link or to use Erming for syncronization03:18
sevardhonestly I don't care how I get there...03:18
tylerfixerDocScrutinizer: I haven't actually used USSD-pad/widget, but in a video that I saw, it was able to get the reply from the USSD command. My program needs to send and receive SMS using python. Is there another app that would provide me with a way to get a SMS as it comes in?03:19
DocScrutinizernot afaik03:19
tylerfixerHmm, I guess I'll have to write that too.03:19
DocScrutinizeryou could check if you can talk to messaging app03:20
tylerfixerThrough D-BUS ?03:20
DocScrutinizeryep, possibly03:20
tylerfixerActually, does Conversations send a D-BUS signal when a new SMS comes in?03:20
tylerfixerconversations, messaging app, I'm not sure what it's called haha03:20
DocScrutinizerthere's a simple d-bus cmd to *send* sms. No idea how to intercept inbound03:20
tylerfixerYeah, that's what I'm looking for. Intercepting a SMS. For some reason I thought that USSD-widget/pad was able to do that03:21
DocScrutinizernope, absutely not03:21
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tylerfixerOkay, thanks for clearing that up.03:21
tylerfixerI *just* got my N90003:21
DocScrutinizeryou may want to have a look at conversations (prolly the correct name ;-) and on pnatd03:22
DocScrutinizeralso on dbus calls doc in wiki03:22
tylerfixerOkay thanks!03:22
DocScrutinizermore like "doc"03:22
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tylerfixerI wonder if they send D-BUS signals when SMS' are received...03:23
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Robot101all of the smses arrive through telepathy03:24
DocScrutinizertylerfixer: use mdbus2 to monitor both dbus busses during inbound sms03:24
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Robot101you can write a client called an observer which gets the incoming messages03:24
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tylerfixerNow, I suppose I have to put my SIM in my N900 :)03:25
tylerfixerDocScrutinizer: mdbus2 is exactly what I was looking for. If I can get a D-BUS message when a SMS is received, that will save me quite a bit of work at reading the SMS database (not that much work, as AFAIK it's just SQLITE)03:26
microliththat would be useful :)03:26
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tylerfixerPart of my interest for this application is because of the sheer volume of SMS i receive and send in a day... many of my friends don't have a device like the n900, so SMS are their primary means of contacting me :)03:27
Robot101there's a spec and example programs for interacting with telepathy...03:28
pupniki suspect it is a terrible idea to work with intel03:29
tylerfixerOkay, I'll check that out03:29
tylerfixerSeems that telepathy does use D-BUS quite a bit03:30
tylerfixerThe docs look quite comprehensive03:30
tylerfixerAlthough I am unable to find anything that references SMS on the protocol specs.03:31
tylerfixerTime for Google!03:31
DocScrutinizertylerfixer: maybe pkg dbus-scripts is also worth a look03:31
tylerfixerLooks like all I need is right there.03:32
DocScrutinizertylerfixer: start executable on certain dbus signals03:32
Robot101tylerfixer: it's just another protocol for telepathy, uses the normal text/message channels03:32
Robot101thats how all the conversations stuff works, one api03:33
tylerfixerMy thought is that I'd have a python daemon that would monitor incoming SMS and if connected to a PC client, it'd funnel it over to the PC.03:33
tylerfixerSo starting an app on dbus signal would most likely take quite a bit of CPU, and would be very repetitive.03:33
Robot101d-bus services can keep running once they've been activated03:34
Robot101you can leave telepathy a .client file to register to be notified of all new text channels03:35
tylerfixerWould there be an advantage to that rather than starting a daemon on boot?03:35
Robot101saving memory if there are no ongoing conversations03:35
Robot101and guaranteeing not to miss any03:35
tylerfixerSounds like that's what I'll do then.03:36
Robot101telepathy ensures observers are loaded before other clients can acknowledge messages03:36
crashanddieWasn't there a python script that parsed incoming SMS's, look up youtube videos for a song/artist and played the most popular one?03:36
GAN900crashanddie, did the cops find your stash?03:36
Robot101anyway, need to sleep. there's a #telepathy03:36
tylerfixerThanks Robot101!03:36
crashanddieGAN900: eh?03:37
crashanddieGAN900: I thought someone fixed something like that up at the summit?03:37
Robot101might be a few ozzies who can help you at this kinda time03:37
tylerfixercrashanddie: I'm looking for that script right now .. that would have quite a bit of the heavy-lifting done for me already03:37
tylerfixerPython isn't my favorite of languages...03:37
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Robot101tylerfixer: look for telepathy-python's examples dir, and also for danielle madeley's blog posts about telepathy, observers and mission control :)03:39
DocScrutinizerGAN900: :-P03:39
tylerfixerRobot101: Okay! Looking right now.03:39
tylerfixerGot like 30 tabs open in firefox haha03:39
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Robot101also there's a telepathy book work in progress03:39
Robot101but the examples are mostly C/glib there03:40
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tylerfixerThe telepathy examples look interesting. I'll try some of those out when I get time.03:43
DocScrutinizerGAN900: actually I tought same, some hours ago03:43
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tylerfixerSo, if I were to write this application, would anyone rather me write the desktop component in a different language other than java?03:46
C-S-Bive just had to solder the power connector of my netbook back for the millionth time03:46
C-S-Bit has insulation tape instead of the plastic shroud now03:47
C-S-Bthats 133703:47
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tylerfixerCompletely unrelated question: is there a way to modify the default application close behavior? I'd like to change it so that when you close an application it goes back to the desktop, rather than the application switcher.03:49
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crashanddie"A Linux admin must be root. A Windows admin must reboot. Being a Mac admin is quite moot."03:50
ml-mobilewhat's a Plan 9 admin?03:51
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jaskaml-mobile: from outer space03:52
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tylerfixerAnother question: is it possible to make the dialpad the default screen to show up when you tap the 'phone' icon?03:55
tylerfixerI suppose these questions are better suited for the talk.maemo.org03:56
crashanddietylerfixer: you're about to feel very much alone.03:57
tylerfixercrashanddie: why would that be?03:57
crashanddieGAN900: remove my op rights03:57
pupnikgood questions: dunno man03:57
tylerfixer(forgive me, I don't use IRC very much)03:57
pupnikif nobody here knows, ask in the forum03:58
tylerfixerI suppose I'll create a thread. I just wanted to avoid the "search!" comments, since I can't seem to find it even with Google03:59
crashanddietylerfixer: I don't think it's possible03:59
crashanddietylerfixer: the reason being that the phone app isn't open, so can't be modified, and I don't believe such settings are supported (yet)03:59
tylerfixerThat's a bummer. 3 taps to a dialpad.03:59
tylerfixeractually 2.04:00
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tylerfixeroh well that's not bad, just different than what I'm used to04:00
crashanddietylerfixer: check the bugtracker. See if there are people who have raised the same issues. They may be prime candidates for enhancement requestws04:01
tylerfixerGood idea. I'll check that04:01
crashanddietylerfixer: if you start typing digits, it goes directly to dialpad04:01
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crashanddietylerfixer: from desktop, open keyboard, start typing digits (blue arrow + p), dialpad appears04:01
tylerfixerWow, thanks!04:02
tylerfixerThought that was only for contact names though04:02
tylerfixerI have a lot to figure out still with this new device04:02
crashanddieI've had the device for over 6 months and just started using it as a phone this weekend04:03
tylerfixerMy n800 took a long time to get completely used to also, but after I did, I felt completely at home with it.04:03
tylerfixerI don't think I'm going to use my n900 as a phone for some time04:03
tylerfixerI might get a data-only SIM from tmobile04:03
tylerfixerUnfortunately, I can't seem to fault my Touch Pro at the moment (rather than it being WinMo and unstable)04:04
pupnikn900 is good for irc and web while waiting in line04:04
GAN900crashanddie, can't. Why?04:04
tylerfixerAnd I'm still concerned about my USB port on my N900, that thread about the USB ports falling out has me worried sick04:04
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crashanddieGAN900: cuz I'm useless04:05
tylerfixerI filed down the prongs on my cheapo cable, but I'm still babying the connector when I go to charge04:05
crashanddieanyway, going for lunch, 'ater04:05
GAN900crashanddie, lol04:05
tylerfixerThanks for your help!04:05
pupnikslang yo thang tylerfixer04:05
pupnikuseless text, nm04:06
tylerfixerhaha okay04:06
tylerfixerWell, I'm off to start on the pc GUI for my sms app04:06
pupniknice chatting04:06
tylerfixerI'll post in the forums when I have a preview04:07
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C-S-B-N900I want a full proper sync app for the phone on linux04:18
C-S-B-N900would have been nice for nokia to have thought of this.04:19
DocScrutinizerC-S-B-N900: wtf??04:19
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DocScrutinizerC-S-B-N900: sync with what - that's the question04:20
Andrewfblackany way to trick n900 to think its connected to network04:20
C-S-B-N900evolution would be nice.04:21
DocScrutinizerAndrewfblack: what's the use of that?04:21
Andrewfblacktricking it to let me access a webserver running on it while I'm offline04:21
C-S-B-N900what was the wtf for?04:21
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DocScrutinizerC-S-B-N900: Andrewfblack sent empty NL04:22
DocScrutinizerAndrewfblack: I think you'd not need to trick it into anything, to access local html04:22
DocScrutinizererr http04:23
Andrewfblackif your not on network it keeps asking for you to connect04:23
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DocScrutinizernever tried that. Sounds strange04:23
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C-S-B-N900docScrutinizer what os are you running and how are you syncing data?04:25
DocScrutinizer[2010-03-22 19:50:09] <javispedro> iirc the browser-ui was patched not to require connection for localhost or file:// urls04:25
DocScrutinizerC-S-B-N900: Linux, and not at all ATM04:26
DocScrutinizermail is synced via "keep mail on server"04:27
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C-S-B-N900i wonder what percent of n900 users are running linux?04:27
C-S-B-N900on there pc04:27
DocScrutinizermore than the desktop percentage of linux in general04:27
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DocScrutinizeras probably >50% bought a N900 because they love linux04:28
C-S-B-N900i know i did.04:28
C-S-B-N900i love that idling in irc stops the stupid wlan0 power saving :)04:29
cehtehnot that much, i'm in many channels and it still does quite good powersaving04:31
cehtehmaybe because my crappy ap .. it has sometimes 1 minute lag04:31
cehtehwhen turning on netradio disabling powersaving irc (and ssh) becomes useable04:32
DocScrutinizercehteh: are you sure this is your ap? I see same lags here04:41
cehtehabsolutely positive on the crappy AP ...04:43
cehtehfirst its DLINK04:43
cehtehsecond, without irc, just ssh the problem is there too04:43
DocScrutinizerso? I see same lags occasionally. And it seems those are much more severe and frequent when N900 isn'T charging04:44
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DocScrutinizeror maybe s/charging/backlighting the LCD/04:45
DocScrutinizerI suspect that's N900 powersaving, which occasionally doesn't wake from 0clock to process an inbound packet04:46
DocScrutinizerprobably Nokia implemented a waggonload of magic there, to get decent standby times04:47
SpeedEvilI only ever see lags of under 500ms04:47
SpeedEvileven if it's been idle for hours04:48
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: on charger?Ü04:48
SpeedEviland I still get battery life of >24h04:48
SpeedEvilon battery04:48
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pupnik5-8h is average here04:59
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DocScrutinizerwith full backlight and quite some surfing the web over 3G, yes - same here05:11
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DocScrutinizerwith backlight at 25%, irc and SIP over WLAN, some 20..26h05:11
DocScrutinizerof which easily 10h are actually with backlight on, other half dim screen05:12
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cehtehimo the 'idle' or 'low' use battery times are ok05:31
cehtehbut if you actually do something cpu intensive it really drains the battery fast05:31
cehtehi mean charged, connected to gsm and wlan, irc running would last approx 12 hrs here05:32
GAN900cehteh, that's what you get when you fill something with fast hardware. . . .05:33
cehtehbut as soon a 20 minute flash loaden web session sucks 40% of the juice its no fun anymore05:33
cehtehwell yes .. and shows that the powersaving is quite efficient05:33
cehtehbut still05:34
cehteh50% more battery capacity would be quite much better .. i often didnt got through the day with one charge or had the battery dead at the next morning05:35
cehtehand when the battery warning comes its maybe 30 minutes left, thats often not enouhg to get to the charger05:35
cehteh(30 minutes idle)05:35
cehtehbattery warning really means run to the charger and dont use the device anymore except for emergency calls05:36
pupniki simply accept that my use profile drains batt05:38
pupnikand curse the entire history of web evolution05:39
cehtehyeah, i just liked to have little more reserve05:39
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cehtehif it discharges to 40%-30% during a normal day then the battery would last much longer too because it isnt constantly full cycled05:40
pupnikif next device has a slightly bigger battery and oled, you could get 50 pct more05:40
pupnikahh true05:40
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cehtehand being able 2 days on the road without charge and low usage would be possibke to, not too uncommon05:41
pupnikone day would serve me05:41
cehtehcurrently its just running after the next wall socket whenever arriving the destination05:41
cehtehyes in most cases 1 day is ok05:42
pupniki usually make that a criterion for my restauraunt too05:42
cehtehyeah would be nice if one doesnt have to do that05:42
cehtehand that doesnt always work too05:42
cehtehi dont want magic as in a week long usage time, and the current way works, but there is really no reserve05:44
cehtehmissing a train home at night .. want to do a phone call .. oops battery just empty05:44
pupnikcarry two :/05:45
cehtehconsidering that05:45
redeemanthat would be an abomination05:45
cehtehwell maybe external with microusb to plug in05:45
cehtehdont care if such an extra box weights little more05:45
cehtehmaybe some baby nimh cells ..05:46
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pupnika second battery is quite compact05:56
pupnikcan even be stuck in wallet05:57
cehtehhehe found an advantage of the small battery? :)05:57
crashanddiejust pack the Nokia charger pack05:57
cehtehwell changing it unmounts the microsd .. i still didnt disabled that daemon05:58
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* cehteh wonders if 5 AA cells in series connected to this small charge adapter work, 6V should be in the allowed range iirc05:59
cehtehyeah or something like that05:59
crashanddieNokia makes one internally IIRC05:59
cehtehwhile most of this toys are overpriced and have bad capacity05:59
crashanddieone of the Nokia marketing chicks had one06:00
pupnikandroid might as well be java on symbian06:00
cehteh2000ma .. but connecting to the usb has prolly not very good efficency06:00
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crashanddiewhat does efficiency have to do with it?06:01
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crashanddiedon't use words you don't understand the meaning of, thank you06:01
DocScrutinizercehteh: otherwise you'd change the cell without unmounting the uSD?? ;-P06:01
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cehtehwell yes .. some suspend to disk or even better uninterrupted battery change would be nice06:02
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cehtehwho need dual sim .. we want dual battery :)06:02
DocScrutinizeractually a reasonable request06:03
* cehteh still thinking about getting the e-werk for the bike its pricy but i am prolly to lazy to build something on my own06:03
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cehtehwell would be already fine if the device could run on usb power while changing the battery06:04
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: efficiency is exactly the correct word here. If N900 starts charging one bat from another, that's probably <50% efficiency over all06:06
crashanddieUSB efficiency makes no sense at all though06:06
cehtehyeah .. some external pack should have at least 3000mah better more06:06
cehtehyou want to plug it in and sustain the device and give a full charge to the internal battery06:07
crashanddieand you'd be surprised at how good the efficiency is. It's not like there's a lot of heat dissipation or any mechanical transfer that causes loss06:07
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: cehteh never used the term "usb efficiency", see backscroll06:07
crashanddie[14:00] <cehteh> 2000ma .. but connecting to the usb has prolly not very good efficency06:07
crashanddieconsidering you can only charge the N900 through USB, I'm right, you're wrong. End of story.06:08
cehtehwell thats nothing much related to usb .. but to charge circruits06:08
DocScrutinizerok, he could have used "implies" instead of "has"06:08
cehtehand there is clearly no high demand on makeing the internal charge circruit overly efficient06:09
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: yeah, teach an EE about efficiency ;-P06:10
cehtehconsidering how warm the device gets when charging, and that liion batteries themself genereate very little heat when charging, the circruit heat a lot energy away06:10
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: you're not the only one who holds a degree in electronics06:11
DocScrutinizerI never claimed06:12
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DocScrutinizerbut I observe warming of N900 exactly the way cehteh described one line above06:12
* cehteh just claims to be a user sometimes who wants the device better and better :P06:12
crashanddiehold any dell powerbrick06:13
crashanddie(when plugged in and charging)06:13
crashanddienow there's heat dissipation, I actually use it to warm up my bed during cold winter nights06:13
crashanddieAlso, the N900 heats nothing compared to an iPhone or blackberry06:14
cehtehfor the wall charger it doesnt matter, but if you provide the input from a secondary battery it matters quite much06:14
crashanddiehence, there is seriously little loss on my N900... Maybe I just have a special one?06:14
* cehteh didnt measure or calculate but i bet it heats 1Watt away while charging06:15
DocScrutinizermaybe your usage patterns differ06:15
crashanddiecehteh: just saying, the Nokia chick said she could pull two full charges out of her external battery pack06:15
cehtehcrashanddie: pepetuum mobile?06:15
crashanddiebut then again, she's marketing06:15
pupniki rarely if ever feel warmth from n900 crashanddie06:15
crashanddiepupnik: where'd'you get yours?06:16
crashanddiepupnik: summit?06:16
crashanddiecehteh: you?06:16
cehtehwhat she saied06:16
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cehtehthe pack has 2000mah  .. the n900 battery has 1320mah ...06:17
cehtehmhm wonder what kind of battery and voltage regulation the pack has ... 2000mah @ 5V?06:17
DocScrutinizercehteh: voltage of pack?06:17
cehtehyeah dunno about that06:18
cehtehi bet it has a 3.7V battery and step up converter :P06:18
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DocScrutinizerwell that's great. they state a mAh figure, but don't tell about voltage...06:18
cehtehyeah :)06:18
cehtehmaybe 2 cells .. and step down?06:19
DocScrutinizerso this might as well be from 5V usb out06:19
cehtehwould be bit better06:19
cehtehi doubt that .. marketing does the labels :P06:20
DocScrutinizerthat would make much more sense with the stated 2 complete charges of a 1320mAh cell06:20
crashanddieI was just eyeballing some numbers in a slashdot post06:21
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DocScrutinizer~wtf lmao06:21
infobotLMAO: laughing my ass off06:21
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crashanddieand some guy just replied, confirming my numbers, confirming them dramatically06:22
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crashanddiesome guy said he wanted a lens at 700mm focal length, with a f/1 f-number. I estimated that this would mean a 70cm diametre lens, so would never be very portable. The guy who replied to my post cited some lens made in the 70s, 667mm, f/0.75, 3.5 tons06:23
DocScrutinizerspy sat?06:25
cehtehthere was one on ebay some time ago06:25
cehtehonly a few got ever manufactured06:26
DocScrutinizerwhat, a 3.5t lens XD06:26
pupniki would like to see multi-ton lens on a N90006:26
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crashanddieheh, first tele lens that also serves as a nuclear shelter06:28
cehtehi cant find the story ...06:32
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Tobarjalast silly question for the night... do you turn your nXXX off at night or when you slide it back in it's case, or do you generally leave it on?06:36
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crashanddieTobarja: on 24/706:44
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cehtehi turn the phone part off06:47
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crashanddie~wtf quidnunc07:06
infobotGee...  I don't know what quidnunc means...07:06
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crashanddie~wtf sesquipedalianist07:14
infobotGee...  I don't know what sesquipedalianist means...07:14
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Stskeepsmorn luke-jr08:20
Stskeepshow's the kiddos?08:20
RST38hmoorning STs08:21
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pupnikkids are also little goats.  the names have significance08:25
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pupnikso my experiments with hitting alsa directly are not a shining success.  i keep losing sound compleely08:41
RST38hforget it :(08:43
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pupniki keep doing it anyway. worth an occasional need to reboot08:48
pupnikRST38h: did you know they finally added shuffle to mplayer?  after years of nagging :)08:50
pupnikCPU:   7.2 mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa.....08:50
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crashanddielol, pupnik, so they finally gave in to the "mplayer isn't a media player" chestnut?08:58
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pupniklooks like it crashanddie09:02
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pupniknow it is 'perfect'09:03
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ebzzryHi! Is there an implementation of Haskell already available?09:30
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meceI really hate when an internet connection is "10Mbps" and have a limit of 25Gb/month. So which one is it? is it 10Mbps or 80kbps?09:41
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ShadowJKi'vve done >25Gbyte in a month with edge :)09:44
meceI mean 25Gb/month == ~80kbps. Why do they write out two speeds without clarifying?09:45
ShadowJKWell you can do 10M for a day and then 0 for the other 29 days ;D09:45
pgas25Gb/month is not a speed09:46
meceyes it is.09:47
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meceok if you want to nitpic no it's not a speed like m/s.09:47
mecebut is sure-as-shit is a speed like 2Mb/s09:48
pgasehe, *I* am nitpicking?09:48
Stskeepshmm, does anyone know if it's possible to adjust the timeout of the mobile internet cutting off when there's no connectivity?09:48
Stskeepsit would help me immensely in warsaw metro to up that a bit :)09:49
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Stskeepsah, in case you're wondering in the future: /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_no_coverage_timeout09:54
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mecehey google stopped censoring china! That's pretty cool.09:55
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meceStskeeps, cool! I might need that when I'm at my summerhouse.09:55
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Stskeeps60s isn't enough to get from station to station, so09:57
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mecebut is it able to keep the connection when switching towers while out of reach?09:58
Stskeepsthat's been my impression here09:58
mecewell that's pretty cool then.09:59
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Stskeepsbut it may vary from vendor to vendor09:59
mecei guess.09:59
Stskeepsi will test it out tomorrow09:59
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mecewhoa, a christian death metal band is following me on twitter.09:59
Stskeepsso irritated at the gprs getting cut out when there's perfectly good signal :)09:59
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Stskeepsand having to reinit connection09:59
silverbullethi all09:59
mecewrong window.09:59
silverbulletany news about enw fw update ?10:00
tekojomece is it time for armageddon then ?10:00
mecetekojo, I guess.. I'10:00
mecetekojo, perhaps time to dust off the #hailsatan tag?10:00
Stskeepssilverbullet: SDK came out, release can't be far away10:00
tekojowould sound like the time10:00
silverbulletsdk came out when ?10:01
Stskeepssilverbullet: yesterday10:01
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silverbulletok cool10:01
meceso one would think that the actual update is not that far away..10:01
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Stskeeps'Browser’s back button actually goes back, instead of showing history''10:02
Stskeepsthank god10:02
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silverbulletstskeeps: ...yes !!! good news !10:02
silverbulleti wanted that10:02
silverbulletalthough tha history effect is cool for demo purposes :)10:02
rmrfchik_if I left n900 with running browser and media player (serfed a bit before sleep) then when morning alarm wakes up it takes toooo long time to get out of swap :(10:03
silverbulletsometimes it happens10:04
Stskeepsso the alarm keeps on going and you can't turn it off? :P10:04
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rmrfchik_the same with phone10:04
rmrfchik_Sometimes phone ringing, screen is black and no way to pick the phone or decline10:05
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rmrfchik_thanks god, Speaker button is on the same place as Answer button,10:05
rmrfchik_so "click-click-click" is resulting either on answer or answer+loud speaker10:05
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silverbulletany news of meego runtime ???10:08
Stskeepswaiting for day one10:09
Stskeepstomorrow is first TSG meeting10:09
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cityLights2hi all10:12
cityLights2ok , here is my problem:10:12
cityLights2I run openvpn to establish a tap0 device , I use the --up to run a script as soon as the connection is established10:12
cityLights2 this is the script
cityLights2 and this is the output:
cityLights2as you can see the whie loop is not obaied10:13
Stskeepsdid you mail to maemo-developers asking about if it was possible to get dhcp and stuff like that through icd?10:13
cityLights2no - I asked here10:13
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cityLights2I wish I could tell icd to take over10:13
Stskeepsask on m-d and it should be possible to get an answer :P10:13
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cityLights2maybe I should do that, in the mean while10:14
cityLights2got any idea why my while is not obaied10:14
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cityLights2pls tell me if my script is wrong10:21
tybolltpls learn how to script10:21
cityLights2what am I doing wrong?10:22
cityLights2I am trying to learn10:22
cityLights2this is a real case10:22
tybollthaven't seen your script  - can't tell you :)10:22
cityLights2 the script
cityLights2and this is the output:
silverbullet is down ?10:23
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ShadowJKSo the "output" refers to a different filename than the apparent location of your script? :)10:25
ShadowJKhm, nevermind10:26
ShadowJKBut anyway, we see the device exists, right before it tries to request dhcp?10:27
cityLights2issue was that dhcp request failed to work10:27
cityLights2so I want to have a while loop10:27
cityLights2but as you can see , the loop is not obaied10:28
ShadowJKThe loop waits for the device to come up. It came up. It then starts the daemon.10:29
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ShadowJKoh you mean the second one10:29
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cityLights2it never sleeps and try again10:30
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ShadowJKdoes it work with: while ! $DAEMON $DAEMON_OPTS ; do echo sleepnow ; sleep 2 ; done10:34
lcukmorning maemo \o10:35
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cityLights2thanks ShadowJK !10:40
cityLights2its diffrent then bash10:41
cityLights2what is this?10:41
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ShadowJKMy guess is the entire script terminated if any command fails?10:42
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pgas"set -e" causes this10:49
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cityLights2pgas: what does set -e mean (and off I go to google it11:02
pgasit sets the -e option for the shell, this options cause the script to exit if a simple command exit with a non 0 status. (simple command = not after if or while or at the left of a && or a || etc...)11:04
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JaffaMorning, all11:17
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ptlNokia must be preparing its server to the big update.11:20
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ptlptlo: hey clone!11:20
X-Fadeptl: Actually, yes ;)11:20
ptlX-Fade: cool :D11:21
ptloptl: yo, levenshtein-neighbour!11:21
MiXu-Yay. I'm working for Nokia starting May 3rd :o)11:22
ptlReally? Congratulations!11:22
MiXu-Thanks :)11:22
ptlHope you're well paid!11:22
MiXu-Well, at least better than I am now ;)11:22
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Shapeshifterptl: it's been down several times during the last few weeks for longer periods of time so it doesn't have to be because of the update11:25
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ptlShapeshifter: I didn't notice the downtime during the last few weeks... And I might be under the wrong impression, because yesterday they released PR1.2 for the emulated environment.11:26
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X-Fadeptl: We're adding more storage and the repository transfer takes a while.11:28
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madduckwhere does one report bugs, e.g. in claws-mail-pgp-plugins?11:46
madducklrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           48 Mar 19 08:34 /opt/maemo/usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/ → /opt/maemo/usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpcore.so11:46
madduck(recursive symlink)11:46
Shapeshiftermadduck: the package should tell you about its bug tracker11:47
madducklrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           48 Mar 19 08:34 /opt/maemo/usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/ → /opt/maemo/usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpcore.so11:47
nidOno bugtracker specified though11:47
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nidO < maintainer's garage account11:47
madducki wish there was something like reportbug in meamo11:48
madduckmaemo even11:48
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nidOthat'd require every developer to use a single bugtracking interface for all of their projects though11:48
madduckunfortunately, Brian Jacobs has no contact info on that site11:48
madducknidO: yeah, which is /good/ ;)11:48
nidOhe has an email address there11:48
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nidOno its not really, testers have a hard enough time trying to get developers to use sane bugtracker links as it is, and right now the link can be *anything* that allows you to directly report a bug11:49
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madduckAPT thinks the maintainer is11:50
madduckLucas Maneos <>11:50
nidOhes the maintainer for claws-mail11:50
madducknidO: from the user perspective, the barrier of entry seems unsurmountable11:51
madduckhe shows up when I look at the DEB package info11:51
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nidOthe user perspective doesnt apply to apps in -devel like claws or any of it's plugins anyway11:51
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madduckwell, i am not the stereotypical user, but I am also not interested in investing time to find out how to contribute11:52
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nidOsadly its impossible to please everyone. forcing packages to have a bugtracker before they can even get into devel, let alone testing, would piss developers off, triply so if they *had* to use a bugtracker that maemo tells them to so that it can use an inbuit bug reporter11:53
Shapeshiftermadduck: in any case that is impossible; an app like claws runs on an arbitrary number of different devices and platforms, why would the dev/packager need to use different bugtrackers for every distro/package etc?11:53
ShapeshifterI'm all for upstream reporting. and if it's a packaging mistake (as it seems) that's not an application bug anyway.11:53
madduckShapeshifter: the bug I found is almost certainly maemo-specific; why should upstream bother?11:54
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Shapeshiftermadduck: I just said that.11:54
madduckShapeshifter: welcome to IRC where there are lags11:54
Shapeshiftermadduck: are you suggesting there should be a bugtracker specific to packaging? that could make sense, possibly.11:54
madducki still don't see an email address of brian anywhere. :(11:54
madduckShapeshifter: well, I am a Debian developer, so naturally I would love to have something like debbugs that works with mail.11:55
nidOits in the email address field of his personal info on the garage page11:55
madduckand i see your point about upstream reporting, but it's too much to ask from the users; instead, it should be trivial to forward bugs upstream and track them there.11:55
nidOjust replace " @nospam@ " with "@"11:55
madduckdo i need to create an account to see it?11:55
Shapeshiftermadduck: I don't know how that works. however on archlinux (which I use everywhere) you usually just mail the packager if there's a packaging mistake11:55
nidOerm. i thought it was publicly viewable but you might need to be logged in11:56
madduckShapeshifter: and in Debian, we have a bug tracker because the maintainer is otherwise a single point of failure or a bottleneck11:56
nidOah yeah you need to be logged in to view acct info11:56
madducknidO: i am waiting for the conf mail, maybe you'd be inclined to msg it to me in advance?11:56
madduckah, i got it already11:57
Shapeshiftermadduck: then again, packaging is easy and sane in archlinux ;) I haven't seen many in the last few years11:57
nidOah sorry, too slow by me :p11:57
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madduckShapeshifter: by the rule of logic, if you see not many packaging bugs, you are not doing a lot of packaging, where packaging primarily means integration for me11:59
madduckanyway, no need to discuss this11:59
madducknidO: thanks, got it11:59
nidOnice to see 3 new games hit testing last night, hopefully theyll get through qa sharpish11:59
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nidOtuxrace, teeworlds, and gltron#12:01
nidOgltron seems to have a missing dependancy though12:01
X-FadenidO: mikmod?12:01
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nidOyeah, havent actually gotten round to installing it to see if that requirement is borking it though12:02
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X-FadenidO: Promotion failed for that package, will try to fix that when the server is back.12:02
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X-FadeAh actually it is back.12:04
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LantiziaHey... for telepathy msn support... should I go with libpurple haze... pecan... or butterfly?  I'm really confused!12:14
tybolltthat is fucking confusing12:15
LantiziaI get how Haze = libpurple for telepathy.. and pecan is an improved msn component for libpurple... and that butterfly is direct support for telepathy... so I guess butterfly since I don't need the rest which libpurple has?12:16
* tybollt went w/ pecan12:16
tybolltcause frankly the pecan guy says he's the best12:16
Lantiziapecan is the only one listed on the maemo site now, but the rest are still in the repo's12:16
tybolltpecan works well12:17
tybolltexcept one big caveat12:17
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Timpa88Stskeeps: u there?12:31
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hrwpr 1.2 still has same annoying bugs and missing features12:34
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hrwdateselect widget does not show name of week12:35
infobotmethinks flashing is
Wolfiehrw: that's infruriating, btw12:36
infobotWolfie meant: hrw: that's infuriating, btw12:36
hrwthats nokia12:37
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hrwthey work that way12:38
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corecode_is it the final 1.212:39
corecode_or a preview for 1.212:39
hrwit is sdk version12:39
corecode_what i'm asking is12:40
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corecode_will the final upgrade for maemo/n900 be the same, or might there be still some changes12:40
hrwcorecode_: ask @nokia12:41
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corecode_talking about telephathy; did anybody integrate group chat in conversations?12:41
meceI think it was mentioned in the manual. Might be mistaken. check tmo for speculations.12:41
corecode_there is pymucl, but that's less streamlined12:42
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hrwpymucl... someone got it working at all?12:43
timeless_mbpcorecode_: the nokia team afaik never finished the work on it :(12:43
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timeless_mbpthere was a ui design for it12:43
corecode_hrw: yes, works12:43
timeless_mbpand i believe there are strings for it12:43
corecode_timeless_mbp: they could just put it out there12:43
corecode_timeless_mbp: and see whether people will finish it12:43
timeless_mbpcorecode_: pigs could just fly12:44
* timeless_mbp doesn't know why they don't12:44
corecode_what are you talking about12:44
corecode_they do12:44
timeless_mbppigs fly?12:44
timeless_mbpcool, got pics?12:44
timeless_mbpthat's just a winged pig, i don't see it flying =b12:45
timeless_mbphalf credit12:45
timeless_mbplooks more like gracefully falling to me12:45
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corecode_but cute nontheless12:45
* timeless_mbp nods12:46
corecode_Quim Gil confirms it will be officially supported by Nokia:
povbotBug 5139: Provide multi-user chat (chatroom / IRC) support again12:46
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corecode_Expected to be available at some point in Fremantle.12:46
corecode_i see12:47
timeless_mbp'expected' doesn't mean 'confirms'12:47
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timeless_mbp'expected' means 'expected'12:47
timeless_mbpwhich is much weaker than 'confirms'12:47
corecode_so i can add the gsoc idea again12:47
* timeless_mbp shrugs12:47
* timeless_mbp spent yesterday talking random mozilla gsoc applicants out of being well, random12:47
timeless_mbp(in addition to being sick, which well, is my life this week)12:48
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timeless_mbpcorecode_: so… unless conversations is likely to be open sourced12:48
corecode_i stopped with gsoc12:48
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timeless_mbpwhich i wouldn't bet the ranch on12:48
timeless_mbpi think it makes more sense to look at the framework provided by maemo and make a new ui12:48
timeless_mbp(open source)12:48
corecode_what i noticed is that12:49
corecode_if i initiate a chat12:49
timeless_mbpif you're feeling like taking chances, you can try to recycle the nokia localization strings12:49
timeless_mbpfor 1.2, in theory, the licensing should suck less12:49
corecode_in pymucl, and then close it before the answer comes back12:49
timeless_mbpalthough, be warned that nokia did manage to break localization string contracts12:49
corecode_then conversations pops up12:49
corecode_and shows part of the chat12:49
timeless_mbpwhich means that you'll have to be very careful about assuming that a newer (or older) version of strings is compatible12:50
timeless_mbpbecause they could just cause crashes instead12:50
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corecode_for me that means i only need a way to join conversations (or telepathy) to a muc12:50
corecode_jabber multi user chat12:50
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corecode_all i need anyhow12:50
tybolltall I need for chat shitz is the "nudge" command to be implemented in pecan/telepathy :)12:52
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nidOmy one wish is to get *any* method of msn's multi location signin working :<12:54
tybolltgod no, I don't want that12:55
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tybolltcorecode_: : nudge is msn-stuff... nothing to do w/ jabber :)12:55
tybolltit's actually something jabber sorely lacks12:55
nidOyep, having an option to fuck users off that gets disabled as soon as the software's installed is always crucial ;)12:56
tybolltit is awesome12:56
nidOit's bearable these days now that the actual noise it makes is configurable in the msn client12:57
tybolltI just use it to ding missus whenever I need her :)12:57
tybolltless effort than a phonecall - really12:57
nidOmulti location signin is the one crucial function missing from mobile messaging clients though, I cannot understand why it's so overlooked12:58
tybolltthanks but no thanks12:58
tybolltthen I'll just forget to logout of my N90012:58
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Sho_nidO: Jabber supports multi-location sign-in just fine12:58
nidOwould that be a problem?12:58
tybolltif missus has the n900 to play angry birds while I chat w/ the mistress - yes12:59
tybolltseriously though, never found a need for multi login12:59
nidOpersonally i just like being able to transition between a conversation on the pc, on the n900, and back again with the thread of the conversation(s) still going and the history of it available on both13:00
mortalis it possible to use firefox on n800?13:00
nidOmy pc's on and connected to msn 24x7 so having to kick it offline to use it from my phone is a paibn13:00
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tybolltnidO: I am kind of forgetfull13:02
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tybolltso that to me that'd likely end up w/13:02
tybolltno wait nevermind :)13:03
pupnikis transflective without backlight possible?13:03
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pupnikmortal: barf-ola13:03
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GentooerHi, does anyone know if it's possible to hook my charger directly up to the battery terminals and run my n800 without a battery?13:05
MiXu-charger - I doubt it13:06
MiXu-But if you have some other power supply, I suspect you could use that.13:06
jacekowskiit's different volatege13:06
jacekowskiand it's very easy way to blow up a phone13:06
MiXu-and chargers are a somehow different from regular power supplys anyway13:07
jacekowskiMiXu-: not really13:07
Gentooerah ok, so what voltage does it need and which terminals are +/-?13:07
corecode_or n80013:07
jacekowskiGentooer: 3.7 AFAIK13:07
MiXu-Use a multimeter to determine the right polarity13:07
jacekowskiGentooer: why are you trying to doit13:08
jacekowskiGentooer: it's simpler to connect charger to charger port13:08
GentooerI want to try to run a mainline kernel, and there is no charging code available.13:08
GentooerSo I can only run it until the battery dies.13:08
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jacekowskileave battery in13:09
jacekowskiand connect power supply there13:09
jacekowskiparallel to battery13:09
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MiXu-jacekowski: and watch the battery explode13:10
mortalit will explode13:10
Gentooerdoesn't the n800 need software to charge the battery?13:10
jacekowskino it won't13:10
jacekowskiif you don't exceed current and voltage13:10
MiXu-I wouldn't risk my device13:10
jacekowskiit's safer with battery13:10
MiXu-and my life, and house ;)13:10
jacekowskibecause in worst case scenario - battery will take excessive voltage for couple seconds13:10
Gentooeronly power supplies I have are 5v. will that just fry it?13:11
MiXu-I would take an old battery, strip out the contents and solder in the wiring from the psu.13:11
jacekowskiGentooer: yes13:11
jacekowskiGentooer: get a decent lab power supply with current limiting13:11
jacekowskisomething like13:11
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jacekowskiand a decent meter13:12
Gentooerwon't the n800 just draw whatever current it needs?13:12
jacekowskiit will13:12
jacekowskiohms law13:12
Gentooerso why do i need the limiter?13:12
jacekowskibut current limiting may save your device if shit happens13:13
Gentooerah ok13:13
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jacekowskiesspecialy that some components start draw a lot more current when you exceed their voltage even by 0.2V13:14
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Gentooerso the n800 won't care that the 3rd terminal isn't functional? what does it do anyway?13:15
MiXu-I think it's "ground"13:15
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MiXu-Don't know what that would actually mean in a mobile device13:15
SpeedEvilit's not13:16
SpeedEvilit's an indicator of battery temp13:16
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ShadowJKN800 needs software to charge battery.13:17
ShadowJKThe software is in userspace, not in kernel.13:17
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ShadowJKThe charger is a powersupply. It outputs about 7V. The N800 needs somewhere between 3.5 and 4.1V on the battery terminals really.13:17
ShadowJKYou can not connect the "charger" parallell to the battery, as the "charger" is a dumb powersupply. The battery will explode.13:18
ShadowJKThe third terminal is just a resistor :)13:18
ShadowJKto signal battery capcity :D13:18
MiXu-Ah, alright.13:19
Gentooeraccording to this page: there is at least some charging code in the kernel.13:19
Gentooerand it hasn't been fully reversed engineered13:19
SpeedEvilYou can make your own compatible PSU13:19
ShadowJKWell you need drivers to talk to retu and the other chips..13:20
MiXu-Don't know if this stuff applies to N800s, but it could be worth a shot:
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jacekowski12:18 < ShadowJK> You can not connect the "charger" parallell to the battery, as the "charger" is a dumb powersupply. The battery will explode.13:24
jacekowskiShadowJK: that's why i'm saying regulated power supply with current limiting13:24
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ShadowJKMiXu-, I'd just put a 70kOhm resistor on the BSI13:26
ShadowJKTomaszD, boo13:27
ShadowJKno qwerty, no battery door13:27
MiXu-that should work too13:27
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SpeedEvilThere are cheap PSUs available on ebay13:28
SpeedEvilfor the n90013:28
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GentooerSpeedEvil: do you have a link? I just see regular chargers..13:30
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SpeedEvilSorry - I meant chargers13:30
* SpeedEvil is mostly asleep.13:30
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: too much morphin? :-P13:35
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dang_can i disable html mails in the builtin email client (modest)?13:40
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: too much earthmoving.13:42
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DocScrutinizerGentooer: jacekowski: you need a stabilized 4.0Volt 2A PSU to connect to the battery contacts. Any resistor probably isn't needed as it serves for charging only. see MiXu- 's URL above. looks decent13:48
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DocScrutinizeractually for N800 you'll get away with a 1A PSU easily - it has no GSM13:48
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DocScrutinizeranyway a really good rock solid stabilization is elementary. Any spike beyond ~4.5V will most certainly fry your device13:50
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DocScrutinizerdo NOT use a parallel battery!13:51
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cityLights2how can I see the chnagelog for a pavkage update? today I see opevpn was updated13:54
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timeless_mbpyou don't typically13:56
timeless_mbpwhy do you care?13:56
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timeless_mbpit won't be accurate anyway :)13:56
cityLights2cause I am tring to make it work in bridging mode13:57
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tybollttimeless_mbp: meh13:59
tybollttimeless_mbp: is it unusual to want to see the changelog?13:59
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tybollttimeless_mbp: do you also get upset when someone wants to see the ingredients of that new cookie they bought at the supermarket? :-S14:00
DocScrutinizer[2010-03-22 23:05:34] * SpeedEvil1 ponders painkillers.14:00
DocScrutinizer[2010-03-22 23:05:43] <SpeedEvil1> Moved ~10 tons of soil this week14:00
GentooerDocScrutinizer: thanks for the info. so why 4v and not 3.7v?14:00
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: that's why I asked14:00
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timeless_mbptybollt: well14:00
timeless_mbpfact is, i want to see the ingredients14:00
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: what on earth is he making.. a highway?14:00
timeless_mbpbut when i go to the store, i get this list in finnish-swedish-eCrap14:00
DocScrutinizerGentooer: actually everything between 3.6V and 4.2V is ok14:01
timeless_mbpso, yes, i'm given a list, and no, it isn't remotely useful14:01
timeless_mbpbecause the information i need isn't actually available :)14:01
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: lol, garden14:01
Gentooerok thanks14:01
timeless_mbpi need to know if a given additive is made form animal or vegetable protiens14:01
tybolltE"crap" is extremely usefull (to the food scientists)14:01
timeless_mbpbut the idiotic EU in its infinite wisdom decided to assign the same numbers to both14:01
timeless_mbptybollt: to me as something other than a food scientist, it's useless14:02
DocScrutinizerGentooer: 4.0V is just a sane straight number14:02
timeless_mbpand would it really have hurt to give out distinct e numbers for my two cases?14:02
timeless_mbpit's like 20 extra numbers14:02
tybollttimeless_mbp: I'm not arguing w/ you sir14:02
ptlis there any way to take a photo? I've tried to navigate dbus for something but couldn't find anyway14:02
timeless_mbpmy point is that "what it says on the package is absolute useless"14:02
SpeedEvilStskeeps: a lawn. A pond was dug some time ago, and the earth from that pond has not been cleared up.14:02
timeless_mbpso "why bother asking, it won't help"14:02
SpeedEvilStskeeps: I'm leveling it into making a larger area of lawn14:03
timeless_mbpheck, does your food list "eColi included at no extra charge"14:03
timeless_mbpit sure would be nice to know14:03
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tybollt"Ecrap" is well... crap... but uhm to know if it is transfats or say sunflowerseed oil is good and important info's14:03
timeless_mbpbut gosh, they left it off the label!14:03
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tybollttimeless_mbp: ecoli and such are quite rare in .fi/.se, that's south european shitz ;)14:04
timeless_mbptybollt: i travel14:04
timeless_mbpi'll be in stockholm on friday if i'm healthy by then14:04
timeless_mbpbut the point stands14:04
timeless_mbpheck, they don't list radiation levels!14:04
timeless_mbpnow,  the packages here do say "new improved" on the toilet paper14:05
timeless_mbpand sometimes even on the Cola or Toothpaste/Detergents14:05
timeless_mbpbut it isn't like that means anything to me14:05
DocScrutinizerptl: ask SpeedEvil14:05
timeless_mbpi can't even tell if they're charging more for it!14:05
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timeless_mbp(i'm told there's price fixing in certain areas, perhaps Milk?)14:06
ptlSpeedEvil: is there any way to take a photo? I've tried to navigate dbus for something but couldn't find anyway14:06
DocScrutinizerptl: it's some gstreamer magic iirc14:06
SpeedEvilptl: yeah - gstreamer - moment14:06
timeless_mbptybollt: fwiw, my irc client just offered me an update right before i left/rejoined14:06
timeless_mbpit showed me the changelog in a tiny scrolling window14:06
timeless_mbpmy eyes glazed over, and i clicked install update14:07
timeless_mbpit didn't even make me feel better!14:07
SpeedEvil/usr/bin/gst-launch  v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0  num-buffers=1 \!  video/x-raw-yuv,width=2592,height=1968  \!  ffmpegcolorspace \! pngenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/test$x$y.png14:07
timeless_mbp(granted, i feel sick because i am sick, and it's doubtful that anything will make me feel better)14:07
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SpeedEvilptl: google around that - you probably want to work out how to do it with jpg - that's the usual outptu14:08
DocScrutinizeraah that explains quite a bit of your yesterday's mood14:08
RST38hlcuk: moo?14:08
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timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: to be fair, i'm generally grouchy, but yeah, i'm sick, have been since friday or so14:08
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MohammadAGwow, the device looks... ugly14:09
RST38hMohammad: Bad photos14:09
* tybollt hands timeless a pink pwny - there feel better?14:09
MohammadAGRST38h, back isn't the best looking14:09
MohammadAGlooks like a fake somehow14:10
MohammadAGanyways, it's still a rumor14:10
RST38hharder to fake bad photos14:10
Anssi__is that the new iphone?14:10
petteriit looks like it could run maemo :)14:10
RST38hBTW, the apparent name will be N8-0014:11
* RST38h cackles evilly14:11
DocScrutinizersince I installed dbus-scripts, my screen dimming management is quite messed up frequently :-/14:11
MohammadAGRST38h, different device14:11
RST38hSpecs seem to match14:12
DocScrutinizerone time it refuses to dimm at all, another time it dims even while on charger... grrrr14:12
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petteriMohammadAG: did get the sb packages working with n900?14:12
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petteridid you :)14:12
MohammadAGpetteri, I got a working brick14:12
* MohammadAG gives DocScrutinizer 10 bucks14:13
* DocScrutinizer is happy his house is built of working bricks :-P14:13
petteriok, shame about the brick14:14
* DocScrutinizer invites MohammadAG to next pub, to drown the frustration about failed upgrade and lost 10 bucks14:14
cityLights2ok, as everybody are here14:14
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cityLights2guys, why doesnt udhcpc supply a IP when used with openvpn ?14:14
MohammadAGpetteri, it worked, but I had an empty menu with no applications :p14:14
cityLights2how can I debug this issue?14:14
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, thanks mate, don't drink though, you can have mine :)14:15
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: the pubs here have non-alcoholic drinks as well. And often they offer even digestible tea14:15
cityLights2see I use the --up option in openvpn and spin this script when the connection is establish14:15
MohammadAGdigestible, never heard of that lol14:16
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, then I'll come and buy ye a drink :P14:16
DocScrutinizerwell, my english isn't that fluent, as soon as it leaves technical domain14:16
MohammadAGit's not about your english, maybe I haven't heard of it and it exists :)14:17
DocScrutinizerI guess potable also is the wrong word14:17
DocScrutinizerneed to inprove my pidgin ;-P "tea not that bad"14:18
MohammadAGpotable, heard that somewhere, don't remember what it means :p14:18
ptlSpeedEvil: I found it14:18
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MohammadAGPR1.2 breaks ukeyboard, nice14:18
ptlsleep 10; gst-launch v4l2src ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/myphoto.jpg14:18
ptlI just don't know how to make gst-launch exit after taking the photo14:18
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ptl(actually the original message by qole had 'pngenc' instead of 'jpegenc' but 'pngenc' didn't work here14:19
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cityLights2MohammadAG: ukeyboard hebrew keys are duplicated. how can I fix it?14:19
DocScrutinizerptl: start a line with 'sleep 10'? sounds odd14:19
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: ukeyboard was evil14:19
timeless_mbpso it shouldn't be a shock that it broke14:19
MohammadAGcityLights2, not really sure, edit the vkb?14:20
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, well I don't use it, someone just requested that I test it14:20
MohammadAGdidn't like how it hacked its way into the vkb14:20
DocScrutinizerptl: seems you missed -> [2010-03-23 13:07:25] <SpeedEvil> /usr/bin/gst-launch  v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0  num-buffers=1 \!  video/x-raw-yuv,width=2592,height=1968  \!  ffmpegcolorspace \! pngenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/test$x$y.png14:20
MohammadAGbut I like the old keyboard more than the PR1.2 one14:20
ptllemme try it14:20
* timeless_mbp likes the 1.2 keyboard14:21
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ptlWARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "pngenc"14:21
ptlsame thing14:21
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, each to their own taste :)14:21
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timeless_mbpto each their own, yes14:22
MohammadAGbest one imo was the PR1.0 one14:22
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ptlI am trying to find the proper gstreamer package for pngenc to work14:22
cityLights2ppl: where is the best place to post a question when a package doesnt work?14:22
cityLights2I mean openvpn14:23
DocScrutinizerptl: good idea14:23
ptldoes anyone know which is the right gstreamer package? :(14:23
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MohammadAGmce: Failed to initialise D-Bus :/14:23
ptlgstreamer0.10-plugins-good-doc: /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/gst-plugins-good-plugins-0.10/gst-plugins-good-plugins-pngenc.html14:23
DocScrutinizerptl: or just replace pngenc by jpegenc and store to a *.jpg file14:24
ptlyes... Maybe it's better14:25
MohammadAGany way to bypass this mce: Cannot acquire service: Connection ":1.34" is not allowed to own the service "" due to security policies in the configuration file14:25
ptlphotos don't need to be encoded as png anyway14:25
ccookeAfternoon, all14:25
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MohammadAG199.99 USD 32GB microSDHC14:29
MohammadAGI'll chip 100 more and get another PS314:30
DocScrutinizerptl: depends on your demand for quality. jpeg is a lossy format, png isn't aiui14:30
DocScrutinizerheh, are they actually available by now, MohammadAG ?14:30
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ShadowJKyes, sandisk announced them this week I think14:30
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ShadowJKI wish someone made an SDHC card with proper controller though.14:31
DocScrutinizerseen them 2 weeks ago for 120EUR, stating "available soon"14:31
infobotShadowJK meant: I wish someone made an SDHC card with proper ftl though.14:31
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, Sandisk to start shipping 32GB microSDHC memory cards14:31
ShadowJKmaybe sandisk has same concept of "available soon" as Nokia and N900 ;D14:31
tybolltthere was supposed to be a sandisk announcement today14:32
tybolltanyone seen it?14:32
MohammadAGnah, should be available this week14:32
ShadowJKflash translation layer14:32
tybolltSanDisk Ultra® SDXC? Cards14:32
aquat1xeek, $19914:33
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MohammadAGoh for god's sake, I need the old apt back :(14:34
mecewhat happened to your apt?14:35
tybolltit aptly disappeared?14:35
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tybollt(mind my totally AWEZOME punz)14:35
* aquat1x doesn't mind14:36
* nidO knocks himself out with the force of head<>desk impact14:36
tybolltnidO: :)14:37
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noobmonk3ylol! just disabled extras-devel and testing... my rootfs space went down!! (even after a reboot!)14:46
DocScrutinizerhmm actually my recent screen-dimming issue was caused by the charger-detecting foo.When I plugged the charger, N900 displayed a "battery full" notification rather than a "bat charging". It also didn't playback the swooosh sound it usually uses to notify charger plugin. In consequence the "don't dim screen while charging" option failed as well14:47
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DocScrutinizerlet's call it a bug14:47
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DocScrutinizer~lart bme and mce14:49
* infobot gets a hotmal account and SPAMs bme and mce14:49
timeless_mbpnoobmonk3y: apt requires a cached copy of all available packages from each repo14:49
timeless_mbpextras-devel is huge14:49
timeless_mbpso yes, disabling the repo will by you space14:49
timeless_mbp(so does moving some of apt's stuff to the ext3 file system instead)14:49
timeless_mbpnoobmonk3y: imagine you pay for data by the kb14:50
infoboti heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs14:50
timeless_mbpyou don't really want to download a multi mb file repeatedly if you can avoid it14:50
DocScrutinizer nah, I fixed that one. Sorry14:50
timeless_mbpplus that download would take a long time w/ bad networks14:50
timeless_mbp•Be aware that VFAT is not really a POSIX filesystem. Things like symbolic links, permission bits, and so on, will not work as nicely as they do on a real POSIX filesystem.14:51
timeless_mbphow about will not work at all?14:51
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nidOI think you all need to re-read what he said14:53
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nidOhe disabled devel and his space available went *down*14:54
kunal_VDVsx, thr ?14:54
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DocScrutinizerhmm, that's strange14:55
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MohammadAG<mece> what happened to your apt?14:59
MohammadAGnokia crippled it14:59
MohammadAGI need the 44-1 one :(14:59
X-FadeKhertan: ping?15:00
MohammadAGor 51-115:00
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mecehow is it crippled?15:00
KhertanX-Fade, pong15:00
Khertani m here15:01
X-FadeKhertan: Are you absolutely sure you want your packages removed?15:01
zaheermptl, gst-launch v4l2camsrc ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc snapshot=true ! filesink location=/tmp/blah.png15:01
MohammadAGmece type apt-get install tunewiki*15:01
MohammadAGjust as an example15:01
* noobmonk3y is back15:01
KhertanX-Fade, yes ...15:01
X-FadeKhertan: It will be a lot of work for us, so let's make the deal that when you want that, it all ends for your there.15:01
timeless_mbpoh heh, oops :)15:01
X-FadeKhertan: And you don't get to upload them anymore.15:01
noobmonk3ytimeless_mbp:  was the other way round........ disabled both repo's and lost space!15:02
Chikulinu__PR1.2 for thiw eek or next week ? :)15:02
KhertanX-Fade, do not fear any upload ... i ll also delete garage account15:02
* noobmonk3y prods khertan15:02
MohammadAGNote, selecting tunewiki-applet for regex 'tunewiki*'15:02
MohammadAGNote, selecting tunewiki-community for regex 'tunewiki*'15:02
MohammadAGE: Couldn't find package tunewiki*15:02
noobmonk3yDocScrutinizer: lol pre-schooling me on rootfs space?15:02
mecehuh.. weird.15:02
X-FadeKhertan: Ok, just to make sure we understand each other.15:02
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MohammadAGmece, and if you pick one package15:03
mececant you just compile your own apt?15:03
MohammadAGE: Handler silently failed15:03
MohammadAGyou get that ^\15:03
KhertanX-Fade, but to be honest i didn't understand what require so much work to remove package from the repository15:03
ptlzaheerm: thanks, one more recipe :D15:03
MohammadAGdownloading the source atm15:03
ptlzaheerm: anyway pngenc is not working for me, only jpegenc15:03
MohammadAGnot sure if HAM would break15:03
noobmonk3yKhertan:  The python build script you so lovingly helped me out with has 1 minor niggle, the version comments don't work, ok to mail you later with the example?15:03
X-FadeKhertan: Lot of things are listed in database etc. Repositories aren't really made for deletions.15:03
Khertannoobmonk3y, yep you'are welcome15:04
noobmonk3y:D :D15:04
noobmonk3ythank you very much, as per usual for your help :D15:04
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MohammadAGthought of something15:05
MohammadAGwhy not compile aptitude while I'm at it15:06
noobmonk3yMohammadAG: You are a busy little bunny :D15:06
MohammadAGbunny LOL15:06
hrwMohammadAG: long list of deps to build with their deps15:06
MohammadAGI can see that...15:07
MohammadAGError: tag OUTPUT_DIRECTORY: Output directory `../build/doc/doxygen' does not exist and cannot be created meh15:07
zaheermptl,  gst-launch v4l2camsrc ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! identity error-after=1 ! filesink location=/tmp/blah.jpg15:07
hrwX-Fade: so instead of doing "dpkg-scanpackages" + importing that to database you do reverse?15:07
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X-Fadehrw: There are also enties in Downloads, changelogs, package events etc, that need to be cleaned up.15:08
X-Fadehrw: And as this isn't used a lot, it needs to be written first ;)15:08
MohammadAGcan someone help with this
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KhertanAlso who i should contact for removing the products mCalendar, mNotes, mTodos, PyGTKEditor of or at list made it unavailable to enter new bugs report ?15:11
X-Fadehrw: As that takes time away from developing other critical things, I really want to make sure it is absolutely needed.15:11
ptlzaheerm: thanks!15:11
zaheermptl, what happens when you try the pipeline i gave you with pngenc15:12
fralsis there any talk thread or similiar about why you are removing all these apps from extras Khertan?15:12
noobmonk3yKhertan: bugzilla@maemo.org15:12
zaheermfrals, it is in maemo-dev ml i believe15:12
hrwfrals: maemo-dev has a threads15:12
fralsdidnt see a reason there, only saw "please remove" after reading that - or was it due to the two bugs listed in the thread?15:13
noobmonk3yooo frals.... hows fmms going? - using mine fine at the mo, but prob not on an up-to-date version :D15:13
lcuknoobmonk3y, you use pypackager in your program, does that mean that its a dependency?15:13
lcukor is it job done now?15:13
Khertanfrals this is a long very long list of reason ...15:13
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: mr. rayneesh gunapalam for mainainer? ;-P15:13
noobmonk3ylcuk - py2deb isnt it? well a bastardized version, and no15:14
fralsit shouldnt dep on it, its used only on packaging machine lcuk15:14
timeless_mbpKhertan: file a bug in bugs.maemo for websites/bugzilla15:14
noobmonk3ynot used within the program15:14
noobmonk3yjust to package it15:14
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: ?15:14
fralsnoobmonk3y: going good - not have had much time for it lately but its progressing - should get a new version out for 1.215:14
fralsKhertan: do you have them posted somewhere as im curious?15:14
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: if the packages find a new maintainer, they don't need removal, no?15:14
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Yes, that can be done.15:15
noobmonk3yahhh sounds good frals15:15
Khertanfrals ... look at the irc logs ....15:15
noobmonk3yno more trips to finland on the horizon? hehe15:15
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fralsKhertan: can point me to a time and date as there is v. high traffic in here at times15:15
ptlzaheerm: it says this: WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "pngenc"15:16
fralsnoobmonk3y: not on behalf of fmms, but ;)15:16
zapHow promotion interface for Diablo works? My package stays in extra-devel for two months, how do I push it further?15:17
Khertan <<<--- hum sorry ... deleting garage account didn't give my place to the other ... yet :)15:17
zaheermptl, install gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra15:17
X-Fadezap: You just pomote.15:17
zapwhat's the button to press?15:17
X-Fadezap: Go to the armel version.15:17
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X-Fadezap: Ah, you're not a maintainer.15:18
ptlzaheerm: I was on my way to install it when I aborted to use jpeg. I don't think 5Mp photos should be saved as png! It's lossless but it's not meant for photos. But thanks anyway! BTW, how do I get the elements and its parameters for gst-launch?15:18
X-Fadezap: Request to be maintainer first.15:18
zapum... isn't enough me to upload the package?15:18
zaheermptl, gst-inspect gives the list15:19
zaheermptl, gst-inspect <elementname> will give you properties etc. of the element15:19
zaheermptl, to learn about gstreamer, read the docs on gstreamer.freedesktop.org15:19
zapX-Fade: where do I make the request?15:19
ptlzaheerm: ok... thanks again and again :)15:19
X-Fadezap: Well, if you are the first. But in this case the package already exists.15:20
zapI can rename it to bash315:20
zapthe SDK bash is not suitable to be installed on tablet15:20
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zapX-Fade: if I rename it to bash3, I will become the maintainer?15:21
X-Fadezap: If you upload a new package, yes.15:21
zapthanks for clarification15:21
X-Fadezap: With these system packages it is a bit harder than normal.15:21
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X-Fadezap: As they exist in SDK too.15:22
zapI know. I also did the gzip and tar packages15:22
zaphad to rename them to gnuzip and gnutar15:22
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fralsKhertan: am I correct assuming you are creating your own repository based on ?15:23
SpeedEvilptl: /usr/bin/gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0  num-buffers=1 \!  video/x-raw-yuv,width=2592,height=1968  \!  ffmpegcolorspace \! jpegenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/test.jpg15:23
SpeedEvil gets a jpeg15:23
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ptlSpeedEvil: I saw your line, thanks. I even posted in a brazilian forum where a friend of mine asked this.15:24
Khertanfrals :
Khertanhum ...15:25
SpeedEvilthat one is for jpg15:25
povbotBug 9458: Packages interface didn't see some packages15:25
Khertanlook for email with subject in the ml : "External Repository and HAM"15:25
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fralsok ty15:26
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ptlSpeedEvil: Yes... I adapted it :)15:27
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Khertanfrals, of course there is also ... stupid comments from stupid user ... rules changes ...15:27
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Khertanall the qa process which is a fail15:28
MohammadAGis there any way to trick version numbers?15:28
MohammadAGmp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: apt (= but is to be installed15:28
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Khertanand to be honest ... i found that the situation was better with the multiple repository available15:29
fralsok, thanks for clarifying15:29
Khertanin the past ... what everyone call here the repository mess15:29
Khertanand i'm doing development as a hobby ...15:30
Khertanbut it s take me more time to package, read the new rule ... re submit than coding15:30
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valdynMohammadAG: if you dont care about creating a mess you can use -o dpkg::Options and dpkg --force15:31
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valdynMohammadAG: thats documented in the respective manpages15:31
ccooke... huh? apt on my n900 appears to have eaten itself15:31
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MohammadAGvaldyn, I already installed the apt15:32
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MohammadAG... package15:32
MohammadAGbut it conflicts with mp-fremantle-generic-pr15:32
ccooke(half of /var/lib/apt is missing)15:32
MohammadAG(to be expected)15:32
valdynMohammadAG: i know what you installed15:32
valdynMohammadAG: as the error message sais this15:32
dmj726_n900hi jrocha15:32
lmaStskeeps: got a few minutes?  I've got a licencing request I'd like to talk about before submiting15:33
valdynMohammadAG: read the docs, im just going to say that dpkg --force-all file.deb would install it anyway15:33
jrochadmj726_n900, hi15:33
valdynMohammadAG: its very messy however as i said and youre kind of forced to use some dpkg::Options hackery in later apt-get runs15:33
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MohammadAGvaldyn, it's not that, apt wouldn't work anyways15:33
valdynMohammadAG: it would15:34
MohammadAGbut it has to be forced15:34
valdynMohammadAG: yes15:34
MohammadAG<valdyn> MohammadAG: its very messy15:34
valdynMohammadAG: yea, exactly15:34
MohammadAGI got the source, but I'm not sure how to up the version number15:34
MohammadAGI doubt it checks the package integrity15:34
ccookeMohammadAG: are you having a problem with apt as well?15:34
valdynMohammadAG: extract the  deb and hand-patch the depends15:34
TomaszDStskeeps, got your FR15:35
MohammadAGccooke, everyone on PR1.1.1 should have my problem15:35
valdynMohammadAG: or rebuild where the deb-src is available with patched depends15:35
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ccookeMohammadAG: which is?15:35
MohammadAGvaldyn, can't I just build a new apt deb?15:35
MohammadAGccooke, installing from the ovi store using apt15:35
MohammadAGfrom terminal of course15:35
valdynMohammadAG: sure, where the source is available you can just edit the control file15:36
ccookels -l parti15:36
Stskeepslma: sure15:36
StskeepsTomaszD: cool, was it broken to bits?15:36
MohammadAGvaldyn, that's in the source root directory right?15:36
MohammadAGoh wait, that's when I build the deb, not compile it15:36
valdynMohammadAG: no, such things are in the debian directory15:36
lmaStskeeps: this is a bit of a can of worms: initfs-flasher15:36
valdynMohammadAG: building a deb implies compiling it15:37
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TomaszDStskeeps, I'm currently scooping small parts from the package onto one small neat pile15:37
ccookecould someone with a working n900 give me a tarball of their /var/lib/apt ? Mine has nothing but "extended_states" and the empty "periodic" directory15:37
StskeepsTomaszD: excellent15:37
Stskeepslma: reasoning?15:37
lmaStskeeps: The context is Diablo SSU, when shipping an updated kernel we need to update the modules in initfs as well15:37
Stskeepsnormally you don't need to15:38
Stskeepsas the kernel version is same15:38
valdynccooke: reflashing probably makes more sense15:40
MohammadAGvaldyn, I'm assuming this is the version number Standards-Version: 3.8.015:40
ccookevaldyn: yeah, but I'd like to work out what went wrong :-)15:40
lmaStskeeps: sure, but it's a bit "dirty" keeping the old ones and there may be configuration options that break things15:41
valdynMohammadAG: thats the Standards-Version, not the package version15:41
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valdynMohammadAG: did you find the control file or file?15:41
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MohammadAGcontrol yes15:41
dmj726_n900jrocha: I'm not sure I quite understand how your program picks between image and text.15:42
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TomaszDStskeeps, god damn dissasembly is heart-wrenching15:43
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jrochadmj726_n900, it does it by analyzing the results from the ocr engines15:43
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lmaStskeeps: plus there are a couple of patches in the queue that apply to initfs modules (cx3110 & g_ether)15:43
valdynMohammadAG: read the changelog15:43
valdynMohammadAG: i gave you some wrong info =/, version is in the changelog15:43
MohammadAGlol kk15:44
valdynMohammadAG: i used to hack nvidia packages like this, but thats a while ago, so it can work anyway15:44
Stskeepslma: arh :P15:44
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dmj726_n900so it sends the whole thing to the ocr engine, then looks for good data?15:44
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Stskeepslma: see if there's a way to do it without rewriting initfs15:45
StskeepsTomaszD: worse than n900, yes15:45
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valdynMohammadAG: in the rules file you would see dpkg-parsechangelog grabbing the version15:45
hrwTomaszD: FR dissasemble?15:45
TomaszDyeah, already done though15:46
valdynMohammadAG: or thats how it is on debian, im not actually seeing what/if nokia changed this at all15:46
Stskeepslma: it's a PITA to distribute initfs images legally :/15:46
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hrwTomaszD: what is so hard with it? one torx screwdriver (was included with neo1973), guitar pick (same) and you go15:46
hrwfew minutes work15:46
jrochadmj726_n900, yes, kinda like that15:47
TomaszDit's not hard, I just wasn't familiar of how much force I had to apply15:47
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lmaStskeeps: ACK, I'll fall back to messing about with remounting it rw, copying modules and rebooting then :-(15:47
Stskeepslma: diablo allows that anyway15:47
MohammadAGhrw, and the fact that you're disassembling 600 bucks :p15:47
TomaszDnah, it's the FR15:48
TomaszDnot the n90015:48
TomaszD"only" 260 - 275 EUR15:48
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dmj726_n900how do you compensate for shadowy/gradeient backgrounds?15:49
lmaStskeeps: that's all, thanks15:49
MohammadAGYipeee it works!!15:49
MohammadAGnow to uninstall HAM15:49
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MohammadAGactually nvm, don't want mp-fremantle-generic-pr to cause probs15:50
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dmj726_n900or perhaps that hasn't been a cons15:51
hrwTomaszD: ah15:51
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hrwMohammadAG: I paid 250€ for n90015:51
dmj726_n900cern as of yet.15:51
tybolltno you did not hrw15:52
MohammadAGhrw, and you missed the point of what I said :)15:52
hrwMohammadAG: and customs for neo197315:52
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hrwMohammadAG: yeb15:52
Khertanoups ww15:52
MohammadAGKhertan, I'm assuming you're porting Android to the N90015:53
MohammadAGalong with the closed sources :P15:53
TomaszDwell, the freerunner is hopefully fixed, now how do I bootstrap the battery...15:54
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Stskeepscan always try to plug in the usb charger..15:55
hrwTomaszD: plug battery, usb cable and pray15:55
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dmj726_n900jrocha: I'm guessing you don't do much preprocessing of the image to help the ocr engine?15:55
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hrws/pray/leave for some time15:55
TomaszDyeah, I'll try assembling it first without breaking it15:55
jrochadmj726_n900, I pass it to grayscale and also give the option of using unpaper15:56
KhertanMohammadAG, no ... just trying to see if i can port pygtkeditor to Android15:57
hrwTomaszD: is great for neo batteries15:57
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TomaszDhrw, thx15:57
Stskeepsbut you can't charge them in there, can you?15:57
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hrwStskeeps: I did15:58
hrwStskeeps: many times15:58
hrwStskeeps: my first neo was neo1973bv3 which had problems with battery - it sucked power even powered off15:58
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tybollthrw: heh I hear som acer aspire one does that too15:59
hrwtybollt: some laptops have powered usb host ports all the time15:59
dmj726_n900unpaper...nice to know about.16:00
tybollthrw: this fucker emptied a completely charged batt in <24h (powered off)16:00
tybollthrw: all defaults in bios16:00
tybollthrw switch mobo, it could go for atleast a week16:01
tybolltbut bck to your pricing on n90016:02
tybolltEUR 250 is way way W A Y too low16:02
tybolltdid you point a gun to salesman to get the phone this cheap? :)16:02
hrwtybollt: DDP16:02
hrwmagic word16:03
hrwor rather magic acronym16:03
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TomaszDhrw, my prayers were unanswered16:03
TomaszDno reaction16:03
hrwtybollt: Developer Device Program16:03
tybollthrw: I hate you :)16:03
hrwTomaszD: leave it for at least half hour16:03
TomaszDhrw, ok, should there be anything on the screen displayed?16:04
hrwTomaszD: no16:04
tybollthrw: Anyway - well deserved, hope you have fun w/ it.16:04
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hrwTomaszD: first it charge battery to be able to boot into bootloader which should check for power level and decide to boot or to charge only still16:05
hrwTomaszD: sth like that, long time since last use16:05
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hrwI got neo1973 ~3 years ago16:05
Anssi__yeah, it was nice device.16:06
TomaszDwell, I did this trick with the aux button
TomaszDand it's sitting there, hopefully charging up16:08
hrwopenmoko wiki is usually good quality16:09
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ptlopenmoko was a very idealistic project, too bad it wasn't powerful enough, but it created a good legacy.16:11
ptl(ok, call me captn. obvious)16:11
tybolltHELLO THAR CAP'N OBVIOUS!11116:12
tybolltoh wait16:12
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tybolltI usually hear quite intense cursing from my friend when I mention the Neo and its GPS-unit in particular - it was somewhat lacking, no?16:13
tybollt(from my friend, that is :)16:13
SpeedEvilneo has a binary blob as the GPS driver.16:14
hrw~curse tlenofon SIP operator16:14
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tlenofon SIP operator !16:14
tybolltSpeedEvil: Took a long time to get a fix, no?16:14
SpeedEvilI started (with others) to reverse engineer it - but the project stalled when the GPS was changed16:14
SpeedEviltybollt: not that bad IIRC actually16:14
SpeedEviltybollt: usually better than the n900 worst-case :)16:14
hrwSpeedEvil: only neo1973 had binary blob16:15
SpeedEvilhrw: I know16:16
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tybolltSpeedEvil: huh? back when I read the previews of the device it was touted as an amazingly quick fixer - order of magnitude better than the rest...16:19
SpeedEviltybollt: ?16:19
tybolltgranted I've not used it on my N900 yet >:)16:19
SpeedEviltybollt: It depends.16:19
SpeedEviltybollt: I've had worst-case fix times of over 10 minutes.16:19
tybolltoi caramba16:19
tybolltwhat the hell16:19
SpeedEviltybollt: network positioning off, no SIM, outside with a good view of the sky16:19
tybolltwere the previewers lieing? :S16:19
tybollthmm ja16:20
tybolltwell that is diff I guess :)16:20
SpeedEvilIf it's got network access, or it's been used quite recently, it's got decent lock time16:20
SpeedEviltybollt: perhaps. It's not unlike what happens if you run out of battery and charge it in a foreign country, where you haven't got a valid SIM16:20
Arif_I usually get <10 sec with network16:20
tybolltfor varying definitions of decent? :)16:20
SpeedEvilYes - I just tried it and got 20s till I got a sat position.16:22
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SpeedEvilAnd I used it yesterday16:22
Khertantook 30s without network in amsterdam ...16:22
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Khertantook an average of 10min with 3G network in france16:22
Khertanin paris16:22
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Khertanbut i think this is depends due to the height of the building around you16:23
tybollteven the GPS satellites are grumpy and rude in france :-|16:23
SpeedEvilOr ~4 seconds after 1 min of disuse16:23
Arif_even the satellites don't like France apparently16:24
Anssi__maybe those need own gps dialect ;)16:24
Khertanbut ... an other counter example, is average 5 min in my car outside of Paris (with network 3G coverage)  where tomtom take 10min due to my car glass16:24
tybolltcar glass?16:24
Arif_maybe 3G in France sucks?16:25
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lovelyboyhi, all. Could anyone teach me how to read the video frame from pipeline created by gstreamer to the IplImage of opencv in a loop?16:25
KhertanArif you can remove maybe :)16:25
nidOand the 3g16:25
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nidOand in16:25
Khertantybollt, athermal windscreen ... is it the correct traduction ?16:26
tybolltKhertan: no I mean what the hell do you have in it - lotsa lead? :)16:26
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tybolltsince it blocks you signal16:26
Khertanyep ... it blocks a few signal16:27
timeless_mbphey, has anyone here changed their location server from nokia's to
Khertantimeless_mbp, hum ... thx for the tips ... but sfr block it16:27
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Khertan(and block also the nokia one)16:27
Khertanyou can only use the sfr one :)16:27
Arif_nidO, that was my thought exactly...:P16:27
tybollttimeless_mbp: no, will it work?16:27
MohammadAGdoes anyone know how many GBs the repos hold?16:27
timeless_mbpKhertan: i'm reading the engadget review from january 1916:28
timeless_mbpsomeone claims it will16:28
timeless_mbpi've never tried16:28
X-FadeMohammadAG: Which ones?16:28
Arif_Nokia can find me just fine16:28
timeless_mbpwon't someone else test for me? :)16:28
Arif_no need to change it :P16:28
MohammadAGX-Fade, all (extras, extras-testing, and -devel)16:28
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Khertanwhois nid016:28
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: i have numbers from a mirror16:28
SpeedEvil not me.16:28
MohammadAGbig time :P16:28
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, the freemoe one?16:29
X-FadeMohammadAG: 81GB16:29
MohammadAGexactly what I need :)16:29
MohammadAGX-Fade, WHAT?16:29
MohammadAGyou sure there aren't missing decimals or something?16:29
X-FadeMohammadAG: No, I'm sure. We had to add another 200GB today to keep up with the growth.16:30
timeless_mbp1.9G  /var/www/
timeless_mbp36G   /var/www/
timeless_mbp5.4G   /var/www/
timeless_mbp4.0G /var/www/
timeless_mbpi'm not sure how accurate/current those numbers are16:30
timeless_mbpand keep in mind that it doesn't mirror non-free16:30
Arif_lets all put our forces together and get it to 1TB!16:30
MohammadAGwait, so non-free holds about 33.7?16:31
X-FadeNo, I was counting all 'trash' too.16:32
X-Fadetrash being removed binaries.16:32
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, thanks a heap mate :)16:32
timeless_mbpthank the host16:32
* timeless_mbp is just a client16:32
MohammadAGthanks Jebba!16:33
MohammadAGoh, he's not online16:33
timeless_mbplogs are forever16:33
MohammadAGexpected less than 10GB, guess I was wrong :)16:34
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MohammadAGX-Fade, may I ask where the serves are?16:34
X-FadeMohammadAG: Depends on where you are.16:34
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timeless_mbp"in the cloud"16:35
MohammadAGX-Fade, so you have more than 1 place for the servers?16:35
timeless_mbplast i checked they were akamai mirrored16:35
MohammadAG(i.e mirrors?)16:35
X-FadeMohammadAG: Hundreds16:35
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MohammadAGthought there was only 1 in Finland16:35
* timeless_mbp isn't even sure that akamai discloses location info16:35
X-FadeMohammadAG: There is of course one origin.16:35
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: masters != slaves16:35
MohammadAGX-Fade, and that's in?16:36
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timeless_mbpthe location of our master n900 is a secret!16:36
X-FadeMohammadAG: .fi16:36
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, true, but when the master crashes they all do :)16:36
timeless_mbpwe wouldn't want someone to steal it ;-)16:36
X-FadeMohammadAG: That is not true.16:36
X-FadeMohammadAG: They cache.16:36
MohammadAGso why do the repos go down?16:37
timeless_mbpthe master tends to go to a bad state instead of truly down16:37
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timeless_mbpmirroring a bad state is easy16:37
X-FadeMohammadAG: They don't. They are just slow because there is a 20 second failover.16:37
timeless_mbpand not wrong16:37
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MohammadAGI don't get this16:37
MohammadAGwhen the repos are down16:37
MohammadAGwhy do all users experience the problem?16:37
X-FadeMohammadAG: And if you are far away, you will see 2 20 sec delays as you are connecting to an edge server.16:38
X-FadeMohammadAG: Could you update in AM this morning?16:38
MohammadAGnot really sure, today's the only day I didn't do an apt-get update16:38
X-FadeMohammadAG: The only thing that doesn't work is browsing the repo, when the origin is down.16:39
X-FadeMohammadAG: But you can request all files.16:39
MohammadAGand I'm assuming the reference ticket things are when the origin is down(?)16:40
X-FadeOr the mirror is having problems, or the export control acts up.16:40
MohammadAGbut if a mirror is down, shouldn't another one kick in?16:41
X-FadeMohammadAG: Down != having a problem ;)16:41
MohammadAGI see...16:41
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: typically if an akamai mirror is actually down16:42
timeless_mbpakamai would take it out of their loop16:42
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MohammadAGX-Fade, well one more question, is there a mirror in IL?16:42
timeless_mbpbut if a mirror caches bad data, it isn't "down"16:42
timeless_mbpit's just "unhappy"16:42
X-FadeMohammadAG: Do a traceroute :)16:42
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: again, i doubt akamai publishes their list of locations16:43
timeless_mbpthey're competing w/ a couple of other cloud servers16:43
timeless_mbpand giving your competitors a map saying "you should do blah"16:43
timeless_mbpisn't a good idea16:43
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X-Fade61,000 servers in 1,000 networks across 70 countries16:45
MohammadAG<timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: again, i doubt akamai publishes their list of locations16:46
MohammadAGguess you're right about that16:46
MohammadAGX-Fade, thanks :)16:46
tybolltis there a good yukon game for the 900?16:47
timeless_mbpyukon=solitaire (variant)?16:47
tybolltyukon is "sjuan" in swedish I believe...16:47
timeless_mbpactually seems to let you look at some things16:47
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tybollt!solitaire games in the repos :(16:49
* tybollt blames tim16:49
tybolltTim E.16:49
timeless_mbp is cool16:49
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timeless_mbptybollt: you could try building that16:50
timeless_mbplooks like someone was working on making it work16:51
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nidOfwiw, akamai's uk presence seems to mostly be on a couple of networks in telehouse north16:53
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tybollttimeless_mbp: ouch, you HAD challenge me to put my money where my mouth is, huh? :)16:55
tybolltok I'll have a looksie the16:56
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MohammadAGhow do I start mce in the SDK?17:01
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Stskeepsyou really shouldn't :P17:02
MohammadAGand why's that :)17:03
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MohammadAGmce: Failed to open connection to message bus; Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.17:04
MohammadAGmce: Failed to initialise D-Bus17:04
andrewfblack_Installed lighttpd and php on my n900 worked fine rebooted and now it doens't does the server need to be restarted everytime I restart device?17:05
ccookeandrewfblack_: yeah, it doesn't get configured to start on bootup at install17:06
tybollthmm andrew aren't we sposed to be grilling you? :)17:06
timeless_mbpccooke: clever17:06
ccooketimeless_mbp: well, it *is* a tablet :-)17:06
andrewfblack_ccooke: found command to start the lighttpd server any idea for php?17:07
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ccookeandrewfblack_: php shouldn't need a command. it'll either be accessed via CGI (so you use external php binaries) or started with lighttpd17:08
andrewfblack_ccooke: ok not sure why its not working today then.17:08
nidOwhats happening when you try to call a php file with lighttpd started17:09
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andrewfblack_nidO: proxy server refused connection17:10
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nidOdoes php -v at command line output anything? will verify whether it's setup as cli and running, or cgi17:11
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VDVsxshouldn't the voting for the council start today ? 0.o17:14
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MohammadAGVDVsx, council?17:17
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VDVsxMohammadAG, yes, Maemo community /council17:18
VDVsxwithout that stupid slash :p17:18
Arif_who can we vote for?17:19
* MohammadAG votes for infobot 17:19
nidOthere're 10 ppl standing afaik17:19
MohammadAGseriously though, where does it start?17:19
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VDVsxMohammadAG, should be today or tomorrow, can't remember the exact date17:21
dnearyX-Fade, Ping?17:22
VDVsxyou will receive instructions by email if you're eligible to vote17:22
X-Fadedneary: doing last checks.17:22
dnearyVDVsx, The mails were supposed to go out last night, but I ran the script on a mail with no mail server configured17:22
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dnearyX-Fade, Thanks17:22
MohammadAGMarch 2317:22
MohammadAGthat's today17:22
dnearyVDVsx, When X-Fade says he's done, then the mail will all go out :)17:23
X-FadeMohammadAG: So plenty of time still ;)17:23
dnearyMohammadAG, Yes17:23
VDVsxdneary, ah, ok, np :)17:23
VDVsxwe've a lot of time17:23
MohammadAGX-Fade, technically, yep, 'today' never ends :)17:23
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n]i'm having problem with my n900.17:25
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n]i have no ip addr on my usb017:26
n]( ifconfig usb0 )17:26
satmdcan someone point me at instructions for setting up n900 with syncml-obex-client?17:26
n]is there any sample of the file /etc/network/interfaces ? ( just to be sure everything is ok )17:26
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n]is it normal that on my /etc/network/interfaces file i have a place for bne0 configuration ?17:33
mgedminon a n900?  I don't have that17:34
mgedminsome package (e.g. pc-connectivity) could have added it17:34
Stskeepsn]: bluetooth dun?17:35
n]because i got an error with ifup usb017:35
n]ifup: misplaced option "nface"17:35
mgedminn], pastebin your whole /etc/network/interfaces17:35
mgedminlooks like a syntax error?17:35
mgedminit should be iface, not nface17:35
n]how can i paste it? i m on a laptop17:36
mgedminssh rules17:36
nomisWhen using FM Radio and trying to use the internal speakers, the volume slider keeps sliding back to zero. Anyone have an idea what the problem is?17:36
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mgedminnomis, headphone daemon?  or what was the name of that package that sets volume to 0 when it detects that you have unplugged your headphones17:37
mgedminmaybe the detection code is buggy17:37
mgedminand it checks whether the N900 is using the internal speaker instead of checking the headphone port17:37
MohammadAGmgedmin, it pauses the track using a dbus signal, doesn't touch the volume17:37
mgedminit's a 3rd-party package that you may have installed; if not, then it's something else17:37
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nomismgedmin: Mhm, I don't think I ever heard of that one, I certainly did not install it.17:37
mgedminand I'm apparently wrong about its working mode17:37
mgedminjust a guess17:37
MohammadAGfm-radio is buggy17:37
alturiakdoesn't FM Radio need the headphones as antenna?17:38
MohammadAGsaved 10 channels, only to find them deleted next time I opened17:38
* tybollt shall introduce PALMFACEd, for all RST38h pleasures17:38
nomisalturiak: yes.17:38
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MohammadAGalturiak, yes, and it needs bluetooth for the radio chip17:38
tybolltthe successor will be FACEDESKd17:38
* noobmonk3y blinks17:38
noobmonk3ymeh effin ovi suite crashes on load :(17:39
noobmonk3yanyone got blackberry connect working on an E71? :)17:39
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alturiakoh, it can switch to speakers. well. working for me despite having the headphone thingie running, but I'm using the version from -testing17:41
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n]/usr/lib/avahi/ line 143: diff: not found17:41
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n]with ifup usb017:41
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TomaszDDocScrutinizer, Stskeeps
TomaszDopenmoko hates me17:43
TomaszDdoesn't want to bootstrap17:43
Stskeepsmm, using the usb charger?17:44
TomaszDyes, and all the tricks with aux button, no aux button, battery in, out, etc17:45
Stskeepshad same issue when in spain17:45
Stskeepsand they're wondering why open hardware doesn't succeed17:46
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* tybollt looks around17:46
tybollt'tis still #maemo - non?17:46
TomaszDStskeeps, but everything worked fine until you tore the receptacle off , no?17:46
StskeepsTomaszD: didn't turn it on for several months17:46
* noobmonk3y blinks17:47
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MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, may I ask if the browser has buttons in portrait mode? Or is it the same but with a settings option?17:49
timeless_mbpyou get 3 buttons in portrait mode in 1.217:49
MohammadAGback, exit full screen and bookmarks?17:50
MohammadAG(guessed btw)17:50
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timeless_mbpyou're right on two of them17:50
timeless_mbpdo you want to play mastermind?17:50
MohammadAGwhy not :P17:50
MohammadAGstop button17:50
X-Fadepssst.. middle position ;)17:50
timeless_mbp2 blacks17:50
timeless_mbp(for your first round)17:51
timeless_mbpblack = right item, right place17:51
timeless_mbpwhite = right item, wrong place17:51
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n]i have a crutial question :D17:52
MohammadAGback, stop and bookmarks17:52
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n]i want to develop python Qt application for the n900.17:52
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, ^?17:52
timeless_mbp2 blacks17:52
ptlqt creator + MADDE17:52
n]i have the Virtual Image from maemo17:52
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MohammadAGok, then it's back, something, bookmarks17:52
n]is it possible to develop on ubuntu and test the rendering on my n900 ?17:52
timeless_mbp2 blacks17:52
MohammadAGthis is torture lol17:52
ptlfirst install Maemo 5 SDK17:53
MohammadAGback, add bookmark, bookmarks17:53
ptlthen install qt creator + MADDE17:53
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, ^17:53
* tybollt can totally see timeless going MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA in a very diabolical manner.17:53
timeless_mbp3 blacks17:53
MohammadAGI WIN!17:53
n]ok ptl17:53
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MohammadAGthanks timeless_mbp :)17:53
X-FadeMohammadAG: Not bad.17:53
timeless_mbpit was much more fun this way :)17:53
* timeless_mbp is really smiling (through the headache)17:54
ptln]: get the maemo 5 sdk here:
ptlfirst option17:54
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, same heh17:54
petterihopefully will work with the updated browser :)17:54
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ptln]: it runs on ubuntu17:54
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MohammadAGX-Fade, thanks ;)17:54
tybolltpetteri: why is important?17:54
timeless_mbppetteri: you're still using some strange third party application?17:54
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, hope you get well soon :)17:54
* timeless_mbp doesn't get it17:54
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petteriwhy the hate :)17:55
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petteriyes, about my favorite website :)(:17:56
tybolltWe don't deal in hate in here, we hand out pink pwnies to everone17:56
tybolltpetteri: matter of taste, I disslike it :)17:56
petterihmm... maybe I will try if it works on updated scratcbox17:57
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, mind if I say it on the 1.2 thread? I'm getting some PMs about it17:57
MohammadAGif not, I'll stay shut :)17:58
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MohammadAG* tybollt can totally see timeless going MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA in a very diabolical manner. LOL Just saw this17:59
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timeless_mbpwho's using jira and why?18:00
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: dunno18:00
timeless_mbpi'm not an official spokesperson18:00
timeless_mbpit's probably best not to mention it18:01
timeless_mbpif people want to figure it out, let them do their own research18:01
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timeless_mbpas far as i'm concerned, anything konttori approves, you should be free to say :)18:01
italodancehey guys18:01
italodancePR1.2 new os is fake?18:01
tybollttimeless_mbp: huh? you use jira what it is for and thati s why18:02
tybollttimeless_mbp: that's like asking "why are you eating a hamburger"18:02
italodancereply plz18:02
b0unc3hey guys, someone know if there is any way to get the statusbar popup menu appearing from a command line ? ( or with a some lines of code )18:02
tybollttimeless_mbp: anyway yes I use jira, although mostly its brother confluence.18:03
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tybolltoh and as an admin - I totally hate it :)18:03
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tybollttimeless_mbp: why do you use it? :P18:06
timeless_mbpi generally don't18:06
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MohammadAGwhat package is "ls" part of18:07
tybolltoh ... busybox? :P18:08
zashMohammadAG: dpkg -S `which ls`18:08
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italodancereply plz18:10
italodance new os PR1.2 is fake?18:10
* timeless_mbp wonders about the odds of nokia supporting that...18:10
* italodance slaps |R around a bit with a large trout18:10
timeless_mbpitalodance: i'm pretty sure we've announced that a 1.2 will happen18:10
petteriitalodance: you just have to wait and see18:10
italodancetimeless_mbp tnx so it's real?18:11
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italodancepetteri i knew and was an old member here from 200718:11
italodancebut missed my n80018:11
timeless_mbp1.2 will exist18:12
timeless_mbpits contents … dunno18:12
timeless_mbpsome of the things in the url you listed seem correct18:12
timeless_mbpi don't know about some of them18:12
timeless_mbpbut asking repeatedly is incredibly annoying18:12
timeless_mbpdon't ever do that again18:12
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MohammadAGitalodance, PR1.2 is real, changes found in the SDK are on talk.maemo.org18:13
tybollttimeless_mbp: nokia supporting bottled water?18:14
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* tybollt wants some of that stuff Tim E. is smoking, myst be primo stuff...18:14
tybolltmust, too18:14
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timeless_mbpfinland doesn't believe in water fountains18:15
timeless_mbpmost finns probably wouldn't even recognize or understand how or why to operate one18:15
tybolltthey don't exist in .se either18:16
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tybolltthere are however these silly "water coolers" in some places but mostly tap water all around18:16
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ShadowJKtimeless_mbp, is water fountain thing that shoots water upwards in an arc on request?18:19
zaheermthose are cool18:19
ShadowJKI grew up in finland and we had them in school :)18:19
zaheermwe have them at the golf course18:19
timeless_mbpin the states, you can find them in offices too18:20
timeless_mbpi haven't seen them in many offices in HEL18:20
ShadowJKI've only ever seen them in elementary/highschool settings though18:20
zaheermthey don't suit offices really18:20
timeless_mbpyou stick them next to the toilets...18:20
zaheermgiven the ease of making the floor wet18:20
nidOoffices generally just go for water coolers here rather than fountains18:20
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timeless_mbpwe don't have coolers either18:21
ShadowJKAt work there's a faucet with a cup dispenser next to it :-)18:21
ShadowJKSome people use it as inverted fountain and stick their head under it to drink18:21
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ShadowJKThat'd make a great picture "Rest of the world vs finland" :-)18:21
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C-S-B-N900I want something cool to do with n90018:23
nidOinstall phototranslate and go wild18:24
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SpeedEvilC-S-B-N900: Create a voice-text app.18:25
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lcukC-S-B-N900, attach multiple n900s to a coat and use cameras on opposite sides to show images through and have an invisibility cloak18:25
nidOI have to admit espeak + ssh + unsuspecting girlfriend is by far the most fun i've had with mine18:25
C-S-B-N900photo translate?18:25
C-S-B-N900ive done ssh and espeak.18:26
timeless_mbpnidO: i'm still surprised she kept you ;-)18:26
nidOphototranslate's an app in -devel, camera + OCR + google translate api18:26
nidOcan take photos of stuff and get it translated into a multitude of languages18:26
nidOdamn handy for holidays.18:26
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TomaszDStskeeps, works18:27
C-S-B-N900ive also have you done ss-x running cheese to spy on people with the laptop webcam18:27
C-S-B-N900photo translates ocr, any good?18:27
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rednidO: does that require a connection?18:28
redguess it does18:28
nidOI only very briefly used it and its a very early release so has some nonworking stuff, but it's looking pretty awesome already18:28
redor can you DL the translation languages?18:28
redcause if I take the N900 abroad i wont let it connect to anything but wifi18:28
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redand even at that gotta watch out for man in the middle attacks18:29
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TomaszDStskeeps, you don't want to know what the initial problem was :P18:29
nidOatm the app uses tesseract to handle the ocr but google translate for translations so you do need a net connection to handle the actual translation of stuff18:29
nidOI guess if the tesseract language packs are there already a local translation should be implementable, though it'd be much worse than google translate18:30
GAN900Ugh, the new vkb looks completely unusable18:31
C-S-B-N900still its a good point about the roaming costs18:31
trip0there's a new vkb?18:31
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GAN900Ring up another one for Nokia's incompetence.18:31
X-FadeCouncil voting mails should be going out now.18:32
StskeepsTomaszD: ?18:32
nidOC-S-B-N900: yeah definitely, personally the optimal setup for that app would be a choice between a rough local translate or a better ota one using google18:32
nidOso that you can choose between cheap or accurate when roaming18:32
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C-S-B-N900still, its novel.18:33
C-S-B-N900Does anyone else have lust for neopwn? do you think theyve hacked the wlan0 driver or usb host?18:34
TomaszDStskeeps, I mistook the power button for the aux button18:34
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C-S-B-N900anyone know of a realease date for it?18:35
MohammadAG(at least I don't)18:35
TomaszDStskeeps, the software on this thing is absolutely atrocious lol18:35
* timeless_mbp sighs18:36
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nidOthats a well-designed form then.18:36
alturiakspeaking of roaming, I do have a question about 3g-usage: despite being set to "Data Roaming: Always allow", my N900 pops up a list of usable wifis and the 3g-connection when I'm out of reach of my usual wifis. Shouldn't it select 3g automatically when set to "always allow"?18:36
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, what vehicle do you own?18:37
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nidOalturiak - have you got "connect automatically" set to "any connection" in internet connection settings?18:38
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: a 2009 'i do not own a vehicle, i do not own a vehicle, i do not own a vehicle'18:38
derfGAN900: Didn't you get enough misery the first time around?18:39
timeless_mbpps, they rejected me from the survey pool18:39
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, what radio system does it have?18:39
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timeless_mbpMohammadAG: ghetto drop down? :)18:39
alturiaknidO: christ. no, I didn't. thanks a lot. I'm still getting confused over the two places for these settings.18:39
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SpeedEvilWoo! I'm eligable to vote in the election! Bribes by PM please.18:48
nidOno mail for me yet /wrists18:48
* SpeedEvil should probably read stuff about it I guess.18:48
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SudhirMathaneHi, how can I find if I am using sb PR 1 or PR 2 for fremantle target. I have installed sbox on my machine, but not aware of version.18:49
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GAN900derf, apparently I'm a sucker for punishment?18:50
toggles_wwho wants to buy my vote for the council?18:51
GAN900Gotta love it when people rip of other people's work wholesale18:51
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MohammadAGSudhirMathane, apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade18:51
MohammadAGall with fakeroot of course18:51
mozaHello everybody, i just got hold of a N900 and i need a pointer to a valuable tutorial to begin coding on it. My OS on my laptop is ubuntu. I would be very happy if anybody can help :)18:52
dnearyvotes are out!18:52
dnearyX-Fade, Thanks18:52
jacekowskimoza: download SDK18:52
SudhirMathaneMohammadAG: thanks, let me try it now18:52
jacekowskiand RTFM18:53
nidOvodes are out or votes are still going out?18:53
derfIt's too late to buy my vote.18:53
derfI have already voted.18:53
mozaThanks jacekowski, exactly what i needed :) thanks a lot :)18:53
MohammadAGI got an invite!!! not :(18:53
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DocScrutinizerTomaszD: Stskeeps: told ya "don't ruin the battery, keep it separate and charged"18:57
derfIt's still unclear to me how one actually gets to vote in these things.18:58
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GAN900derf, 10 karma, 3 month old account.18:58
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achipadneary: I see you changed the Chipa misspeling, but it's still a near miss :) :( s/z/s/18:59
derfOh, that's a nice and low bar.18:59
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KhertanDoes there users of PyGTKEditor here ?19:00
StskeepsTomaszD: yes, default sw is horrendous19:02
Stskeepsat least tangogps is nice :P19:02
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TomaszDyeah I can't even reach settings19:03
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mortalhow many hours of ebook reading can I get from a n80019:05
derfAbout 6?19:06
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derfSomewhere in that ballpark, anyway.19:06
lookatuwhich server is this19:06
lookatui wanna access this channel in mirc19:06
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foolerrhey guys19:09
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foolerrguys is there a way to watch shoutcast tv on n90019:11
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Funnyfaceargh lately my N900 has started to randomly reboot itself19:12
FunnyfaceI thought that was fixed in an update19:12
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hrw"The e-mail address and token you gave do not match an existing voter, or you have already voted." - voting starts tomorrow or in other "23rd March 2010"?19:15
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timeless_mbphrw: i just voted a few mins ago19:15
lookatuguys what PR1.1 stands for and what is it19:15
timeless_mbplookatu: an out of date update to the sales release19:15
timeless_mbplooks like pr stands for 'public release'19:16
lookatuahhh ok ... Ive recently update to latest firmware 3.219:16
timeless_mbpat least that's what some random sites guessed it means19:16
Funnyfacethat's what I guessed too :P19:16
* timeless_mbp thinks the guess is wrong, but anyway19:16
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timeless_mbplookatu: um, of what product?19:17
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timeless_mbpbecause we might or might not have shipped a 1.2 of maemo 519:17
timeless_mbpwhat hardware do you have?19:17
derfhrw: Worked for me.19:17
timeless_mbp770? n800?19:17
lookatugimme 1 sec lemme check, im talkin about n90019:17
MiXu-You don't have 3.2 then :)19:17
timeless_mbpwell, that version doesn't exist19:17
Funnyface3.2010.02-8 is what mine says :>19:17
lookatuyeah thats it19:18
hrwok, got it19:18
ShadowJKah that's 1.1.1 I think19:18
lookatuIve to say this mobile is the best19:18
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lookatuit can do almost everything19:18
DrGrovGood day19:19
Noobmonk3y_it didnt make me a cup of tea this morning :(19:19
lookatujust one thing bugs me is that u cant use it for skype video calls and cant initiate video talk at all for gtalk19:19
ShadowJKit needs lasers so we can attach it to sharks19:19
ShadowJKand that needs waterproofing19:19
MiXu-I think video calls are coming later on19:20
MiXu-THey wouldn't have put a front camera in if they weren't.19:20
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ShadowJKgoogle talk video calls probably19:20
MiXu-maybe even skype19:20
Funnyfaceyep haven't found any way to stream video directly from the device19:20
Funnyfaceby any means19:20
ShadowJKMiXu-, well N8x0 had front webcams and only ever had google talk video calls :)19:20
thresheasy, use VLC19:20
MiXu-ShadowJK: Did N8x0 have Skype support built in to begin with?19:21
ShadowJKN810 yes19:21
derfShadowJK: The proximity sensor isn't based on a laser?19:21
Lumpio-I don't get the point of video calls19:21
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ShadowJKderf: no it's infrared19:21
threshlaser that would cut your brain19:21
derfThey make infrared lasers.19:21
lcukrt: @lcuk #maemo council candidates: can you all summarise your manifesto in a single tweet? #n900 #meego19:22
ShadowJKit's proximity, not a distance meter :)19:22
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lookatuim literally glad that n900 can play flash videos on justin.tv19:22
Funnyfaceit was supposed to take phone calls a step forward by making you able to see the other person, but.. I think it has failed mainly because of its high prices compared to regular phone calls19:22
Funnyfaceand most "simple normal phones" don't support it..19:22
nidOthat depends where you live though, in the uk "high price" for video calling is a misnomer19:22
nidOevery major carrier treats video calls as normal calls, as far as using bundled contract minutes is concerned19:23
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ShadowJKFunnyface, I doubt 3g video calls will ever be supported19:23
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Funnyfacelast time I checked, they were like £1 per minute.. but then I haven't checked for a long long time19:24
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Funnyfacebecause I never found video calls that useful :P19:24
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lookatugtalk and skype are awesome for voip but I was surprised that they didnt include msn messenger or yahoo cuz most of my friends are on them19:25
Funnyfaceinstall pidgin19:25
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Funnyfacethen you have most of your IM stuff with you :P19:26
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ShadowJKWhat's the situation with msn these days? Is it still a arms race between microsoft trying to cripple other clients than their windows/microsoft messenger, and developers trying to get around all the blocks microsoft puts up?19:26
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nidOFunnyface it must be a long long time ago, certainly on o2 contracts video calling has always been bundled into monthly minutes, and outside of them the cost is like 5p more than normal mobile<>mobile calls19:26
lookatuI believe pidgin uses there own server to relay all these communication ... I dont wanna give them my username and password of msn/yahoo ... or am I wrong19:27
Funnyfacenid0: I am not in the UK btw :P19:27
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nidOah ok19:27
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ShadowJKlookatu, I think that's fring19:27
ShadowJKthat'd be alot more power optimal than doing straight msn though :)19:27
lookatuohhh yeah fring19:28
Funnyfaceand I guess you could use web messengers with the maemo browser19:28
lookatuI remember u can use skype video as well using their software19:28
Funnyfacebut, not very power efficient..19:28
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n]is there any good tutorials to get a ready to go environment to start making application ( python-Qt ) for n900 ?19:30
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lookatunext thing which ive been desperately searching now are mms, rtsp video streaming links ... so I can watch streamin video on n90019:30
Khertann], sudo apt-get intall pygtkeditor python-pyside19:30
lookatuI couldnt find channel mms or rtsp link at all19:31
n]is it possible to developp on Ubuntu and have a rendering on n900 ?19:31
n]or is there any possibility to have a rendering ( n900 like ) on ubuntu )19:31
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Khertann],  connect to device by fusessh ... open file with gedit19:32
Khertanopen a terminal ... ssh to your n90019:32
Khertanand then launch your pyscript19:32
Khertanworks well19:32
n]hum ok19:32
Khertanbut you can install also scratchbox19:32
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n]networking is not working on windows right?19:32
Khertanand xephyr19:32
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n]never heard of that19:33
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Khertanor ... worse ... use eclipse with pluton and networking connectivity19:33
n]i can actaully ssh from my ubuntu to my n90019:33
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n]but is there any n900 emulator working on ubuntu/windows19:34
lookatuthere are couple of things that programmers should develop software for n900 ... winamp (shoutcast radio and shoutcast tv), greasemonkey support for firefox and client server application between pc and n900 so u can stream media off your computer19:34
n]just to see the rendering of an application19:34
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lookatui was surprised that has released their dedicated application for iphone19:36
ShadowJKI'm sure there's a dozen shoutcast apps already..19:37
Hoxzer_lookatu: there is already greasemonkey support for the microb19:37
ShadowJKor atleast in development19:37
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Hoxzer_lookatu: also the mediaplayer supports upnp19:38
nidOits basically only audio though atm19:38
lookatuhold the phone ... ShadowJK ... so u r sayin that I can watch shoutcast tv on n900 and Hoxzer_ greasemonkey support is already available for maemo browser.19:39
* Trizt don't know which candidate to vote for19:40
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MohammadAGNoobmonk3y_, Healthcheck update, did you fix the PR1.2 stuff?19:40
timeless_mbpMickey Mouse! Donald  Duck. Ronald Reagan19:40
lookatuShadowJK ... what software do u use for shoutcast19:40
lookatuHoxzer ... how do u install greasemonkey for browser ... cuz I seriously wanna scripts for youtube.com19:41
MohammadAGoh, you can select what to test, nice :)19:41
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Hoxzer_lookatu: it is in the maemo testing just google it19:41
* Hoxzer_ has it installed19:42
DocScrutinizerTomaszD: /join #openmoko. Read ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB-RL19:42
lookatuahhh ... ok19:42
dnearyWhat's achipa's surname?19:42
DocScrutinizer~tell TomaszD about #openmoko-cdevel-BB-RL19:43
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lookatuHoxzer ... thanks19:43
Hoxzer_:) np19:44
lookatunow ShadowJK about shoutcast little heads up will be gr8ly appreciated19:44
ShadowJKtbh i never liked any of the software and just clicked things on the website...19:44
TriztMohammadAG; PR1.2 out soon?19:45
MohammadAGI don't know any dates19:45
MohammadAGand I'm not starting rumors19:45
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MohammadAGhopefully 2010, but don't take my word for it19:46
timeless_mbpbefore 2036!19:46
nidOwhats that you say MohammadAG, tomorrow?!19:46
TriztMohammadAG; I'm so bored, I need a rumor19:46
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MohammadAGTrizt, it's going to be available yesterday, 200919:46
TomaszDDocScrutinizer, thanks19:46
MohammadAG<timeless_mbp> before 2036! don't spread rumors! :p19:47
Noobmonk3y_MohammadAG,  not sure what is left to do other then version numbers, which i dont kno.19:47
TriztMohammadAG; Cool, did they remove multitasking so it would be more iPhone like?19:47
MohammadAGcould take more19:47
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MohammadAGTrizt, nah, they added "System Wide Detection Services"19:47
MohammadAGlike windows 719:47
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: ok, sometime after Jan 1, 2001? :)19:47
MohammadAG(windows phone 7_19:47
Triztwhat does that do? detect if it's a ms-windows-7-mobile?19:48
MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, could be before, if a time machine was created some time in the future, we'd all have since launch in 199019:48
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MohammadAGhave PR1.2*19:48
timeless_mbpi shouldn't comment on time machine availability19:48
lookatusee PR1.2 ... is it available to end users19:49
timeless_mbpbut most likely the use of a time machine would just slow things down ;-)19:49
MohammadAGcause you're timeless!19:49
* MohammadAG thinks this time machine stuff would never happen19:49
lookatuby any chance ... and i mean by anychance is there any new about vmware kind of software for n90019:49
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MohammadAGcause the future isn't going at the same rate as us19:49
MohammadAGso there's a future for the future19:49
* MohammadAG goes into loop mode19:50
timeless_mbplookatu: beyond vmware announcing they had an impl for the n800?19:50
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Triztlookatu; kvm ? ;P19:50
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MohammadAGNoobmonk3y_, hmm, test if it can run all apps at once?19:50
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lookatulemme see on youtube about it19:50
MohammadAGjust execute all .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon :p19:51
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Noobmonk3y_MohammadAG, ?19:52
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MohammadAGNoobmonk3y_, Stress test19:53
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mozaHi, i did something bad, i installed the scratchbox without checking that i had enough disk space. The problem is that i don't have a byte of disk space left, and that i don't find a command to erase what the scratchbox installer did.19:58
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C-S-Brm -r /scratchbox/20:00
mozado you think it is ok if i just erase the /scratchbox directory?20:00
ccookemoza: yes, that will work20:00
mozaobviously C-S-B thinks that yes :)20:00
mozaok, thanks20:00
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JaffaKhertan: you're really packing up from * it looks like...20:04
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FargusElections now started - best of luck to all the council hopefuls!20:08
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* satmd just wishes opensync/syncml's source wasn't such a mess of incosistency20:11
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MarcusMQuick question before I got guitar lessons: Does the n900 screen (resistive touch) last forever, compared to capacitive which lasts 2 years? (Source:
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MohammadAGMarcusM, I've had an iPAQ HX2795 for about 6 years20:16
MohammadAGor more, not sure20:16
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konttoriMohammadAG: say what? (17:57)20:17
MarcusMAnd that is Resistive? Perfect. I wouldn't want to pay the ~500 euroes for something that didn't last longer.20:17
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MohammadAGkonttori, huh20:18
MohammadAGMarcusM, yeah, capacitive wasn't widespread till the iThing arrived20:18
MarcusMAnother question: It is technically possible to get a virus on the n900, right? :P20:18
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* konttori has stopped trying to figure out marketing deps and resorts on communication that anything developed in open source and has been committed to a public repo is perfectly fine to discuss in public.20:18
Shapeshifterwhat I noticed today is that the n900 screen is extremely good in bright sunlight20:19
timeless_mbpkonttori: that got someone in trouble20:19
DrGrovit seems like my shortcuts to Phone and Conversations just keeps lagging like hell once the phone has been switched on for more than 1,5 days non-stop.20:19
timeless_mbpkaroliina (sp)20:19
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konttoritimeless_mbp: ah, yes, indeed. However, it was a very political thing they were discussing about20:19
MarcusMShapeshifter: That's good, as I might only get mine in a month, and the sun should hopefully be shining a tad more then.20:19
timeless_mbpkonttori: yeah well20:20
konttorisure, I agree.20:20
timeless_mbpimo it was more that she did a professional job and they had released a PoC video which looked like Ass in comparison20:20
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timeless_mbpshowing up upper management on their proud day is just well… unfortunate timing :)20:20
pupnikwhy talk here20:21
pupnikthe us torture stste won20:21
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MohammadAG<MarcusM> Another question: It is technically possible to get a virus on the n900, right? :P no20:22
javispedromoo pupnik20:22
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: sure it is20:22
MarcusMMohammedAG: Why not? It is running Linux, and I'm pretty sure Linux can have virus, even though it isn't the popular an OS to have virus on.20:22
MohammadAGShapeshifter, how20:22
MohammadAGunless a .sh file is given, and the user sets it as executable and runs it as root20:23
MohammadAGMarcusM, chances are you'll never get one20:23
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: just write one, send it to someone, get them to run it. with root if neccessary (tell them its an app, package it, and make them install it through clicky ham)20:23
TriztThere are tjoans for Linux, but still not seen any real viruses20:23
MarcusMThought so.20:23
infobotTrizt meant: There are trojans for Linux, but still not seen any real viruses20:24
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: true, they're very rare. but there -are- security flaws here and there which can be hacked without using a virus20:24
Myrttiwhy bother with packaging something. Just make the damned thing go to a webpage with xss/javascript vulnerability being used and there you have it20:24
Myrttivirus is so passé20:24
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* javispedro notes that you actually can hardware brick a n900 if you have root...20:25
Shapeshifterjavispedro: how? fry it?20:25
MarcusMI'm scared now :p20:25
ShapeshifterI thought it turns off automatically when overheating20:25
javispedrono, that's amateur20:25
javispedro(but if it were to be charging the explosion could be nice... * goes off to his evil lab * )20:26
MohammadAGShapeshifter, quite simple20:27
MohammadAGopen terminal, type root, get up to the last floor and type halt then drop it20:27
javispedrothat's so professional I'm going to ask mg edmin (not to ping him needlessly) to erase the logs of this20:28
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MohammadAG(I just said halt so that it doesn't feel hurt when it falls)20:28
MohammadAGjavispedro, well I am a pro :P20:29
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Shapeshifterso, why can we all vote for the council? I know only 3 or 4 of the names on the list, and only by seeing them here or on the forums somewhere20:30
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javispedrothat puts me in a good position I guess, so don't vote! :)20:30
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ShapeshifterYeah I don't think I'm qualified to vote.20:31
javispedromy N900 has been pinging low battery for 7 hours now.20:31
javispedrotime to replace it...20:31
cehtehhuh how do you get that?20:32
cehtehmine works half an hour on low batt when i dont disable/disconnect anything20:32
javispedrodunno, I guess the meter doesn't want to admit that he got the prediction wrong20:32
* cehteh would like to set the low-bat alarm higher, but i dint found a config for that yet20:33
javispedro(because 7 hours ago I moved it to another Wi-Fi AP that I have carefully configured for maximum powersaving settings. The one I did my 4day battery test :) )20:34
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cehtehmax powersave doesnt work for me, connections become very unreliable then20:34
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cehtehmaybe i need a better ap20:34
rzrAbout to vote but i donno many users ...20:34
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AndrewFBlack_Shapeshifter: you don't have to use all your votes just vote for the ones you know if you wanyt20:34
javispedrocehteh: think so. the only thing powersaving should add is roundtrip time20:35
rzrStskeeps : is there any "openness candidate" ?20:35
Stskeepswait, what?20:35
cehtehi get timeouts and interrupted streams when hearing webradio20:35
rzrchenca: had this on wifi wpa2 psk20:35
cehtehwith moderate powersaving roundtrip can be as high as 1 minute here when nothing else goes over the ent20:36
rzrare there candidates's program online ?20:36
javispedrocehteh: impossible, something is wrong20:37
javispedrocehteh: we're talking about ms here.20:37
cehtehi saied that .. the AP is crap20:37
Stskeepsrzr: on the wiki yes20:37
cehtehquite old dlink ap ...20:37
SpeedEvilcehteh: works for me. With a moderately old dynamode AP20:37
SpeedEvil(which violates the GPL :( )20:38
cehtehap is from 2003 or so, cant remember20:38
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SpeedEvil2006 here20:38
cehtehand its DLink ... never buy dlink20:39
* rzr voted with the help of /dev/random20:39
* javispedro checks his AP brand...20:39
cehtehdwl 2000ap+ or so20:39
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* AndrewFBlack_ sits amazed again its impossible to connect anything but Windows to his work network20:40
cehtehfor the first few firmware updates i had to call a friend with a windows laptop because the firmware uploader is web-interface based and only worked in IE20:40
cehtehwhat a crap20:40
javispedrocan't see the model no from here, but it's one of those with adsl2 modem and linux but with so little memory that it's not useful.20:40
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cehtehthis is a pure AP, no router20:41
cehtehand propietary OS20:41
* AndrewFBlack_ beats his head on the wall...20:42
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cehtehpoor wall20:42
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Hoxzer_it strange how in my appartment one can get all the modes fron 2.5g to 3.5g20:48
Stskeepswindow, not window20:48
javispedrolucky you. I can only get 3.5G or cancer.20:49
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wirelessdreameranyone know how to convert games to work with the psx emu's in extras-dev I converted from cue to iso, and from bin to iso, but the emu's won't recognize them20:54
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RST38hjavispedro: When you are getting cancer, what does the N900's status bar say?20:57
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RST38hjavispedro: does it actually show a tiny crustacean? =)20:57
Arif_user fault\ shutting down in 10s20:57
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Milo-found a calendar bug20:58
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Arif_in what firmware :P20:59
Milo-two of my contacts have birthday on the beginning of the next month.20:59
Milo-now it shows the latter one20:59
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Milo-and reloading the calendar for few times will make it realise the first one as well20:59
Milo-and after yet another few reloads, it forgets about it *again*20:59
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Arif_maybe it doesn't like that contact21:00
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Milo-that birthday has been taken from msn-contacts21:01
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Milo-maybe merge contact fixes the bug21:03
Milo-I would like it very very much if the all contacts list would show an icon according to protocols with what you can contact the contact21:05
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Stskeepslo goshawk21:06
goshawkhi Stskeeps21:06
Stskeepshow's it going?21:06
goshawknice to see you again21:06
goshawkvery good21:06
* RST38h moos at Stskeeps evilly21:06
goshawki've got a n90021:06
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Stskeepshehe, good :)21:06
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goshawkgonna develop a jaikuspot-like application anytime soon21:07
goshawkin the meantime i was learning about bluetooth thetering21:07
goshawkah.. let me congratulate with your posts on about meego21:07
goshawknice move21:07
ShadowJKn900 as server or n900 as blueooth tethering client?21:07
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goshawkn900 as server21:07
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goshawkpc -> n900 -> umts internet21:08
goshawki've installed the bluetooth thetering application21:08
goshawki've associated the n900 with my pc with blueman21:08
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goshawki enabled it with dialup service21:08
ShadowJKI did that too today, and my N810 tethered without problems :-)21:08
goshawkbut when i do that networkmanager complains that The device Nokia N900 does not appear to support GSM/CDMA.21:08
goshawkThis connection will not work.21:08
ShadowJKoh :/21:08
Stskeepsgoshawk: think the place that gave the freerunner will take a USB plug repair if it fell off? ;)21:09
goshawkStskeeps: nope, they fired me21:09
goshawkStskeeps: they are going to be very opensource-aware21:09
goshawki mean... then don't wanna develop free software anymore21:09
goshawkStskeeps: do you know people having the same problem as me with n900?21:10
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cityLights2hi all21:11
cityLights2what editor should I use on a pc to write python?21:11
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lcukcityLights2, mmm theres a few good open source cross platform ide/editors21:12
cityLights2excluding vim21:12
toggles_wthere is only one editor, vi21:12
lcuki like komodo21:12
cehtehhehe let the war begin21:12
* nidO smacks everyone with a nano manpage21:12
* lcuk reads the nano manpage with notepad21:12
* SpeedEvil watches as the paperclip wades into the argument, and massacres everyone.21:13
lcukactually, notepad will fail21:13
inznid0, does an editor with no features whatsoever have a manpage?21:13
* cehteh uses emacs and nano21:13
lcukthose pesky linux people forgot to include the extra LF character21:13
lcukthat must be the bit you have to pay for21:13
nidONANO(1)                                                                NANO(1)21:13
nidOapparently it does.21:13
cehtehnano is quite powerful for its size, most people dont know it21:13
inzlcuk, that's a byte!21:13
cityLights2geany? eclipse?21:13
cehteh(its features)21:13
* RST38h installs eclipse onto cityLights221:14
lcukwell its tough to chew21:14
cehteheclipse for the n900! :P21:14
lcukthat pesky byte has caused more failures in computer systems than any other character !21:14
RST38hYea, you do it21:14
cityLights2I like writing java on eclipse21:14
RST38hlcuk: Have never seen it to cause any failures, weirdly21:14
lcukwindows has a habit of adding it21:15
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lcukoh crap, its noobmonk3y quick, hide the poker tables21:15
RST38hlcuk: Uncontrolled memory allocation, unchecked pointers, buffer overflows, static variables inside function bodies easily take the top prize21:15
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cityLights2ok, second question: can I use icd2 to trigger udhcpc?21:15
cityLights2luck: pls name one python ide21:16
lcukbleugh ok21:16
cityLights2eix komodo21:16
cityLights2No matches found.21:16
cityLights2eix blueugh21:16
cityLights2No matches found21:16
* noobmonk3y blinks21:17
JLPcityLights2: eric21:17
* noobmonk3y runs and hides..... noobmonk3y, where?21:17
cityLights2A full featured Python IDE using PyQt4 and QScintilla21:17
noobmonk3ycityLights2 - notepad, best pythong ide i have found hehehe21:17
noobmonk3yqt designer is pretty much your only bet with something like eric21:17
noobmonk3ybut its not great21:17
cehtehpython has an official ide .. 'idle'21:17
noobmonk3y:D thats what i use ;)21:18
noobmonk3yand pyGTKeditor on the n90021:18
* RST38h suggests writing Python IDE in PERL21:18
n]where is ?21:18
RST38hJust for the hell of it21:18
lcukisnt there a python plugin for irssi ?21:18
noobmonk3ylol RST38h21:18
n]i want to run my QtApplication and can't find that file21:18
noobmonk3yis there?21:18
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noobmonk3yn] python?21:18
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n]boogeyman, yeah21:19
noobmonk3yjust type python <<appname>>.py21:19
n]noobmonk3y, yeah21:19
n]it's not workink21:19
n]LOL !21:19
noobmonk3yare you in the folder?21:19
n]must be run with run-standalone.sh21:19
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noobmonk3ymine doesnt21:19
n]i'm in /home/user/PyProject/21:19
lcuk"you are alone in a forest, to your south through the trees you can see a cottage"21:20
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noobmonk3ylol lcuk21:20
noobmonk3yn] - only thing i can think of is python hasnt got permissions to run it or something, maybe try it in mydocs etc, but can't see that being true21:20
lcukthats not the problem21:20
* noobmonk3y blames lcuk21:21
lcukwhat happens if you type "cd /home/user/PyProject"21:21
* toggles_w thanks the nokia gods for the $50 they just sent me!21:21
lcukthen "python"21:21
noobmonk3ythat sounds correct21:21
noobmonk3yisnt he a clever little lcuk21:21
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* lcuk grabs a ciggy21:21
* SpeedEvil checks his email.21:22
* noobmonk3y better go n vote......21:22
* lcuk will vote soon21:22
lcukim waiting for the polls to get a bit quieter21:22
noobmonk3ylcuk - when yo uemailed me, the title was - working but still slight issue - what was the issue?21:23
n]i'm root and got a permission denied21:23
noobmonk3yahhh dont do it in root21:23
lcukn[ use pastebin and give entire block of output21:23
noobmonk3yoh just seen the pic again, missing half the buttons21:23
lcuki run with root21:23
noobmonk3ywtf that shouldnt happen21:23
noobmonk3ybigger status area?21:24
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Shapeshifternoobmonk3y: what is missing half the buttons?21:24
cehtehn]: FAT filesystem have no permissions and they hacked statically in when mounting .. that yields some strange effects sometimes21:24
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n]i'm just trying to write a Qt Hello World21:25
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cehtehbe user not root .. and MyDocs is mounted noexec too .. not even root can execute stuff there21:26
t-tanis anybody already running the PR1.2 kernel?21:26
lcukif hes running "python" doesnt have to have execute rights21:27
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lcukyou could install a 30gb python app on MyDocs if you wanted and still have it runing21:27
n]where should it be?21:27
cehtehwell for shell script that works .. dunno if python enforces it21:27
lcukits not permissions if hes doing as i asked him21:27
noobmonk3ycehteh - i can run python files in mydocs/appname21:27
Arif_a 30GB app on a 27GB drive?21:27
Arif_sounds hard to do :(21:27
Stskeepst-tan: there's a new one? :P21:27
cehteh./ with #!/shebang wont work21:27
lcukshell scripts with a shebang are self executing21:27
lcukso need permission21:27
lcukbut even in FAT partition, you can run "sh"21:28
lcukbecause "sh" is executable via /usr/bin or wherever21:28
t-tanStskeeps: yes?
lcukArif_, shush you know what i meant21:28
Stskeepst-tan: ah, i'm out of the loop :P21:28
cehteht-tan: did you figured the changes out the did?21:28
n]here is my python code21:29
* cehteh would still like some community kernel project refactor and maintain nokias patches and keep them in sync with the vanilla kernel21:29
n]that is in /home/user/PyProject/21:29
cehtehbut i have no time currently21:30
cehtehn]: how do you start it?21:30
cehtehand dont be root .. try as user21:30
n]both python and main.py21:30
t-tancehteh: I made a diff (1.2M). apparently lots of bugfixes but the changelog is not very detailed21:30
cehtehbut same base kernel version?21:31
t-tancehteh: I've added the new Nokia patches to my extras-devel kernel21:31
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cehtehwell since my last kernel adventure i didnt tried any new one :P21:31
eeanhow do you unsubscribe from a podcast with gpodder?21:31
t-tanit's with all Nokia patches21:32
n]cehteh, it's the same as user21:32
cehtehsame as what?21:32
n]as with root21:32
n]same error21:32
javispedroRST38h: the status bar shows a rainbow-colored signal meter. or not, I can't really tell =)21:32
n]Well with python main.py21:32
cehtehinvestigate the error exaclty21:32
n]my app launch then close21:32
lcukn] where is the console log21:32
lcukwheres the log of oyu running it21:33
n]i don't know sorry21:33
n]don't know what you mean21:33
alteregoI just voted for three candidates,21:33
lcukNokia-N900:/home/user# python hello.py21:33
lcukpython: can't open file '': [Errno 2] No such file or directory21:33
lcuki get that21:33
* alterego thinks that's a good approach21:33
lcukwhat do you get21:33
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noobmonk3yno response in terminal?21:34
lcukhe doesnt get nothing21:34
n]my application is launched but exit 1 second after creating the Qt Window21:34
noobmonk3yshhhhhhhh its an invisible n90021:34
dregindouble negative wha?21:34
n]it's Qt problem side not n900 ?21:34
noobmonk3ymaybe add some debugging21:35
noobmonk3yon the first line of code add print "1st line"21:35
noobmonk3ysee if that prints in terminal :D21:35
n]python code21:35
javispedroapplication launched .... exit 1 second after ...21:35
* javispedro runs pattern recognition algorithm21:36
javispedromissing run-standalone.sh21:36
lcukNokia-N900:/home/user/Pyproject# python hello.py21:36
lcukTraceback (most recent call last):21:36
lcuk  File "", line 3, in <module>21:36
lcuk    from PySide import QtGui, QtCore21:36
lcukImportError: No module named PySide21:36
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noobmonk3yfrom PySide.QtCore import *21:36
noobmonk3yfrom PySide.QtGui import *21:36
n]apt-get install pyside-qt-gui21:36
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n]yeah it's a 10 mn try import "*" is shit21:36
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* noobmonk3y goes back to his hole21:37
javispedrofrom shit import *21:37
alteregon]: Where's your ?21:37
alteregoYou need to enter the Qt event loop ..21:37
n]i'm new to Qt21:37
n]not python21:38
Shapeshifternoobmonk3y: are you doing a tutorial?21:38
* noobmonk3y is new to it too :D21:38
Shapeshifternoobmonk3y: sorry21:38
noobmonk3yShapeshifter = me a tutorial?21:38
Shapeshiftern]: I suggest you do this stuff21:38
Shapeshifterworks the same for pyside.21:38
alteregon]: it's app.exec_() you neewd to call that after you show your widgets21:38
Shapeshifternoobmonk3y: nah, tabcompletion fail21:38
noobmonk3ynicely done shape :D21:39
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n]alterego, it's working21:41
n]thank you21:41
alteregon]: No problem :) Always glad to help/.;21:41
n]i will get my hands dirty tomorow thank you21:41
noobmonk3yyay to alterego21:41
n]Thank you lcuk noobmonk3y alterego and others21:41
n]have to goo21:41
* noobmonk3y pats lcuk on the head......21:41
alteregoHave fun ;)21:41
noobmonk3ybye n]21:41
alteregoWhich reminds me, I should probably port my framework to Qt at somepoint21:43
RST38hThe Hercules System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture Emulator21:43
* RST38h speechless21:43
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alteregoRST38h: ?21:44
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RST38hThere is finally an IBM mainframe emulator for the cell phone.21:46
alteregoOh, hahaha21:46
RST38hX-Fade: HEre?21:46
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dmj726_n9001rst38h...what's it called?21:47
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alteregodmj726_n9001: The X blah blah emulator? :P21:48
dmj726_n9001oh I thought it might have been serious21:48
dmj726_n9001n900 has taught me not to doubt the existence of random emulators21:49
alteregoOkay, I'll be the one to spell it out. It's called Hercules dmj726_n9001 :P21:49
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dmj726_n9001that's amazing21:55
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dmj726_n9001I'm sure we all want to run games from ibm mainframes.22:01
* Jaffa is on ropey connection - has anyone updated the council declarations page with a link to EIPI's Q&A?22:02
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Jaffadmj726_n9001: IPL a box which has been up for years. That's a fun mainframe game.22:03
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MarcusMAny idea why I get this error while installing Maemo 5 SDK?22:04
MarcusMW: Failed to fetch  404  Not Found22:04
MarcusME: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.22:04
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MarcusMBecause of getdeb only?22:04
microlithdisable the repo22:05
MarcusMGuess I can't, as the Maemo 5 SDK wants to install it?22:05
microlithduno about that22:05
Stskeepsno, that's your own22:05
javispedroI love when people fail to make the deadlines22:08
javispedrothen it doesn't feel that bad when I fail to make it too :)22:08
javispedroup to the point that I'm sometimes tempted to answer "Thank god" to "I'm late"22:09
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* javispedro can't help but read "Something is Eating my Battery Alive: Please Help!!!" as "Something is Eating my Brain Alive"22:12
microlithso a zombie process?22:13
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* RST38h knows an answer to that22:14
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dotblankAnyone know the script that gets caalled when you select which mode the n900 is in when you plug in the usb cable..22:18
dotblankie the script to set up the usb gadget22:18
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer51 btw:
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GAN900javispedro, better get in there or you wont get elected. :P22:27
GAN900javispedro, or in the other case, get in there or you will. :P22:27
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Stskeepshrw|gone: ^ above url might be interesting too22:28
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javispedroGAN900: Get in where?22:29
GAN900javispedro, that battery thread.22:30
javispedrothanks, but I love my brain!22:30
javispedroI feel a bit attached to it at least.22:30
MohammadAGHAM is much MUCH faster in PR1.2
Stskeepsyou mean the SDK one?22:31
javispedroMohammadAG: is that SDK?22:31
petterimaybe it is just your cpu22:31
MohammadAGit doesn't ignore stuff like on my N90022:32
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petteriok. We need stuff sorted by date there also. I hate going through all the apps when looking something new22:33
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* javispedro tries to stop procrastinating, in vain22:36
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javispedrolet's go and do some real work. cya22:36
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MohammadAGpetteri, downcloced the CPU to 600MHz22:41
MohammadAGthe app manager is still very quick22:41
SpeedEvil600MHz on a x86 may not be the same as on the arm22:41
SpeedEvilIs 1.2 out?22:41
GAN900MohammadAG, doesn't mean anything22:41
GAN900and your RAM, cache and disk are much faster.22:42
GAN900I can see we're not going to have a betam period for PR1.222:42
MohammadAGI don't remember the PR1.1 app manager this quick22:42
SpeedEvilGAN900: We will in hte UK. :/22:42
GAN900I guess Nokia never really learns.22:42
MohammadAG(on the SDK)22:42
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valdynMohammadAG: also depends on the number of packages available currently22:43
MohammadAGI hate how all .desktop files are dumped on the main menu22:43
alteregoGAN900: I guess the queue got cancelled?22:43
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MohammadAGvaldyn, all repos enabled22:43
MohammadAGincluding SDK ones22:43
GAN900alterego, no idea.22:44
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, does this happen on your N900? apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: fennec 1.0.022:44
MohammadAG(lots of apps, not just fennec)22:44
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alteregoGAN900: probably saving them for all the Moblin devs :D22:45
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MohammadAGthat's the N90022:46
GAN900alterego, lol22:46
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joker_891anyone programs with python for mobile?22:48
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dmj726_n900I did a bit recently22:49
dmj726_n900there is a good text editor for python on the n900.22:49
joker_891i dont know how to use the screen like an input text22:49
alteregoAre you talking about PyGTKEditor? I thought it was awful :P22:49
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noobmonk3yi love it :D22:50
joker_891like notes or calendar tasks that use all screen for write text22:50
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: you get anything on HAM - it doesn't output anything on stdout for me22:50
joker_891its any function?22:50
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, -devel enabled?22:50
dmj726_n900any standard gtk or qt widgets that do what you want?22:51
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: no22:51
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: oh - the repo - yes22:51
MohammadAGmozilla repo?22:51
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: however - I start HAM from the apps menu - so where would that stdout be?22:51
MohammadAGstart it from terminal as user22:51
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SpeedEvilyes, lots of them22:53
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, they don't show up in PR1.222:53
MohammadAGwhich I'm assuming, causes the speed up22:53
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: is this a beta 1.2 you have?22:53
DrGrovhow good is the sliding mechanism on showing the keyboard or not showing? is the build quality how good?22:53
dotblankAnyone know how to associate a certain file type with the file manager to a particular application?22:53
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, SDK22:54
MohammadAGPX: Unrecognized image file format22:54
MohammadAGPX: Unrecognized image file format22:54
MohammadAG only shows these22:54
dotblankI have a custom shell script22:54
MohammadAGno ignored packages22:54
SpeedEvilDrGrov: very positive and firm action22:54
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: ah22:54
DrGrovSpeedEvil: so, when I hear the clicking sound of it closing it stays 100% closed without any minor touching to open it by mistake?22:54
SpeedEvilDrGrov: yes. It requires about 500g of force to begin to open22:55
dotblankI made a script that takes a iso file as an argument and loads a the usb-mass storage mode on the iso file and shares that specific image to the host computer22:55
SpeedEvilDrGrov: and about the same to begin to close22:55
SpeedEvildotblank: neat.22:55
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, I upgraded my N900 to SDK packages, ended up with half baked software :p22:55
dotblankim trying to integrate it into the file manager22:56
MohammadAG(knew it was gonna brick it from the start)22:56
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DrGrovSpeedEvil: ok, i am just a bit angry with my old N97 which could accidentally slide open on some occassions.22:57
DrGrovSpeedEvil: but good, now when it clicked itself closed it is closed.22:57
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SpeedEvilForces approcimate - I could measure - but meh.22:58
SpeedEvil(in a sea-level earth environment)22:58
C-S-B-N900wow, considering what i was expecting the gps unassisted is awesome just went out using sygic and i had signal, in 30m accuracy in a small amount of timel.22:59
SpeedEvilIs that 30m reported accuracy, or real?23:00
* SpeedEvil checks.23:00
C-S-B-N900i was walking and it tracked me fairly well23:00
C-S-B-N900but the arrow backwards.23:00
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MarcusMIf I write a little game in C++ using SDL, would I then be able to use it on the n900?23:01
C-S-B-N900is that the lack of a compass?23:01
V13MarcusM: possibly23:02
C-S-B-N900compile it for am i cant see why not...23:02
V13why not try it ?23:02
nidOno compass = satnav will give you a movement direction but not the direction you're facing23:02
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C-S-B-N900nidO: isnt that a bit dumb?23:02
MarcusMC-S-B-N900: AM is?23:02
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nidOpersonally I can't see why nokia neglected to include a compass in the device, but suffice to say they did23:03
konttoriMohammadAG: remember that if you long press on launcher menu, you can reorder the items.23:03
C-S-B-N900MarcusM: ^23:03
konttoriand, btw: nice video.23:03
MohammadAGkonttori, mentioned that in the thread :)23:03
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MohammadAGkonttori, but seriously, I have about 10+ rows of icons23:04
konttoriah, I somehow missed it. sorry23:04
MohammadAG10 x 5 =5023:04
MohammadAG50 +23:04
konttoriMohammadAG: nice. well, you can still install the categorize23:04
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MohammadAGand having them in the main menu would slow it down23:04
MohammadAGI hate it!23:04
SpeedEvilnidO: It's $20 or so.23:04
MohammadAGactually, I can't open phone and contacts quickly with it23:04
SpeedEvilC-S-B: Looking at some tracklogs.23:05
konttorihow come?23:05
MohammadAGand it slows down installs when populating itself23:05
hoxzerI hate having the shop icon in mainmenu. :| Grr... when I have time I will find a way to remove it23:05
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SpeedEvilC-S-B: I seem to get an accuracy of +-9m or so - while driving with the GPS in my right front trouser pocket (with the antenna mostly upwards)23:05
konttorito each his own, personally, I like it much more than the old one.23:05
konttorisure, there are ways to make it even better, but I think it works now really well for my use flows on the device after I've reordered the items to my liking23:06
konttoriI don't need to scroll it almost ever.23:06
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SpeedEvilnidO: however - integrated compasses are in the process of crashing in price.23:07
SpeedEvilnidO: So the n920...23:07
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MohammadAGTC EVO 4G which was known as the Supersonic all this time  finally went official moments ago The EVO 4G is the World’s first 4G Android smartphone. Its got a 4.3 inch display with a kick stand and is powered by a 1GHz snapdragon processor with 512 MB of RAM It runs on Android 2.1 with HTC Sense UI ....23:07
MohammadAGNexus one outdated23:08
microlithis LTE going to use SIM cards?23:08
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joker_891anyone knows how to put a form to fullscreen field? with python23:09
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nidOSpeedEvil: hold on, $20? even an akm digital compass from like 2005 only cost like $6 in volume23:10
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SpeedEvilnidO: Sorry - $10 or so. - not much less.23:11
SpeedEvil - for example23:11
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SpeedEvilThis is for ones simple to interface, that won't complicate the phone23:12
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stondaHTC EVO 4G sounds more like faux-4G to me23:12
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C-S-B-N900SpeedEvil: the gps aerial is left of the screen?23:13
V13I bet this one would sell for <10$ for nokia. their name and the volume would greatly reduce the price23:13
dreginCan someone recommend me a game to install for the N900?23:13
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dreginfinished with angry birds23:13
V13oh :(23:13
C-S-B-N900so does the lack of compass break navigation?23:13
SpeedEvilV13: yes - probably $6 or so in volume23:13
nidOwouldnt know about ease of interfacing, but the AK8970N in iphones goes for $5.24 in batches of 25k+ apparently23:13
stondaconsidering when it's just CDMA brick slammed with wimax capabilities23:13
SpeedEvildregin: all 3 levels *** ?23:13
petterithat burger game is nice, burger space?23:14
dreginSpeedEvil: only have level 1 and no CC for buying the others23:14
valdynpetteri: enigma23:14
V13I like *gwelled and xploder (from ovi)23:14
dreginthere're a few gweled variants in the repos23:14
nidOthe other angry birds level packs arent even available to buy anyway :<23:14
dregininstalled one and it was rubbish23:15
nidObut, blubbels is a decent game23:15
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nidOalso tuxrace went into -testing today23:15
nidOlast night*23:15
V13dregin: I've both of them and they both work fine23:15
V13Also, I personally like *Very* much the sgt-puzzles23:15
V13especially loopy23:16
dreginI didn't say it didn't work :)23:16
inzV13, I used to like loopy, nowadays I waste more time with netgame23:16
cehtehdregin: try to beat your own angrybirds records :P23:16
petteriburgerspace: and Sensitive Motion:
V13cehteh: yes. it's good too..23:16
nidOsensitive motion's good fun, shame it takes like 10 mins to complete23:16
V13hexahop is fun too23:17
cehtehif you want some longer lasting game, install nethack :P23:17
V13or play chess :P23:18
SpeedEvil'blocks' is worth a look too23:18
SpeedEvilthe inbuilt one23:18
SpeedEvilIt's surprisingly addictive.23:18
SpeedEvil(though mandates a screen protector)23:18
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SpeedEvilAnd the lack of highscore is annoying)23:19
nidOreally need the gltron dependencies fixed to give that a shot :<23:19
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C-S-B-N900does the lack of compass break navigation?23:21
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C-S-B-N900but it doesnt know which way you are facing no?23:22
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cehtehC-S-B: only when stationary, otherwise it gets direction from movement23:24
cehtehits somewhat nasty, i liked a compass quite much, but well its still useable23:24
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MohammadAGnn everyone23:26
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SpeedEvilC-S-B: assuming you are moving hte way you are facing works fine. Often.23:26
SpeedEvilC-S-B: It's always true in a car forex - unless you're drifting.23:26
C-S-B-N900drifting like japan drifting?23:27
SpeedEvilAnd while drifting - you should generally not be looking at a navigation device.23:27
cehtehwhen you hold the device in direction of travel .. but well that could be compensated too23:27
nidOit might be a particularly complex drift circuit...23:27
cehtehSpeedEvil: otherwise around .. when looking at the device there are chances you become drifting :P23:27
cehtehmhm 2 n900 at opposite ends of the car with differential gyros could detect drifting :P23:28
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cehtehwell no gyros either23:28
cehtehaccelerometer might do .. but its not precise enouhg23:28
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cehtehactually you need both accelerometer and gyro maybe .. blah23:29
C-S-B-N900any benefit to using an external gps then?23:29
C-S-B-N900internal seems pretty good23:30
cehtehwell if you are inside some vehicle which doesnt let gps in ...23:30
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cehtehdriving in your tank around or so :)23:30
SpeedEvilcehteh: you only need one gyro.23:30
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SpeedEvilcehteh: unless the vehicle is internally twisting23:30
cehtehbut i doubt you get good bluetooth connection then too23:31
cehtehthe internal is no much fun when you dont get a fix and you dont have network assisted gps23:31
cehtehbut still it works with some patience23:31
cehtehwhen you lost in some jungle, you prolly have the patience to wait for a fix23:32
cehteh(or dont want to pay data roaming in foreign countries)23:32
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yigalwhy do so few people see the advantage of taking notes with a stylus using a resistive screen?23:36
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lcukyigal, :) some do but theres lots of arguments against23:38
C-S-B-N900i dont23:38
ShadowJKI dont take notes23:39
achipa_irssitaking notes is so 20th century. but jokes aside, the problem are screen size and that it is too finger friendly23:39
C-S-B-N900i have seen any pros for capacitive with n90023:39
C-S-B-N900but small links with finger is bastard23:39
cehtehthere is no good notetaking app yet, a decent xournal (newer version) might do23:40
cehtehi used my newton for notetaking long ago, and small screnn isnt really fun, while i want at least its features for drawning and stuff23:40
C-S-B-N900how about handwriting recognition. i remember winmo failing epically with that.23:41
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cehtehshape recognition minimum for drawings, handwriting recognition would be nice too23:41
dreginis there a default password on "user" on the N900?23:41
cehtehyeah no one did ever well23:41
cehtehnewton was the best and even that wasnt really good23:41
C-S-B-N900i think you need to set it.23:41
C-S-B-N900talking of which has anyone set user pw?23:42
cehtehbut shape recognition for drawings, easy manipulating and grouping is a must23:42
cehtehdregin: no passwords until you install sshd23:42
cehtehand then i'd remcommend to set up key auth instantly and remove passwords again23:42
dreginhah that's why I was about to set a password.... wanted to ssh into the user account to set keys23:44
C-S-B-N900i have key auth. havent gone as far as removing passwords though, im worried that ill be on a pc and wont be able to login23:44
C-S-B-N900unless you guys save you .pub to email/server...23:44
acidjazzi carry a nexus one around now since the n900 is awesome but not really a fun23:47
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dreginyou came in here to say that?23:48
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brodyhi, anyone knows how does kismet.conf have to look like? (The source=type,interface,name line)23:50
joker_891anyone knows how to hide a form after saving? python23:50
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brody"type" is what i don't know23:53
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alteregojoker_891: Qt or Gtk?23:54
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C-S-B-N900interface will be wlan023:59
brodyC-S-B-N900 good :)23:59

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