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| Corsac | last year I tried to gps trace the plane course but gps is too heavy on battery :) | 00:01 |
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| * Arif_ ponders on how crappy European flights are | 00:02 | |
| Arif_ | we don't get anything.. | 00:02 |
| lcuk | there should be a low powered gps that only tells you if you deviate from the flightpath | 00:02 |
| lcuk | ok, ok, ok, ok, ok, crap | 00:02 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol | 00:02 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: and raise an alert if your course brings you near important buildings | 00:02 |
| frals | anyone around HEL next monday? ;o | 00:03 |
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| noobmonk3y | oooo | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil1 | crashanddie: Also a skydiving tutorial app. | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | n900fly | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil1 | 'learn to skydive in 20s' | 00:03 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 00:03 |
| Corsac | oook | 00:03 |
| Arif_ | the iPhone will do that automagically! | 00:04 |
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| crashanddie | though, I have to say, flying out from Dubai is a bit weird, because for once you look like a terrorist, being the only white kid with a suitcase full of wires and electronical equipment, in a plane full of bearded muslims | 00:04 |
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| Pio | heh | 00:04 |
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| Myrtti | moar painkillers! | 00:05 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | Moved ~10 tons of soil this week | 00:05 |
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| Arif_ | you'll probably get questioned and miss your flight :( | 00:05 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: another feature would be the network detection mode | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | frals, i dunno yet | 00:08 |
| Arif_ | now you mention network detection...our airport wants to count people via bluetooth | 00:08 |
| RurouniJones | Just be careful of British Airways flight attendants. | 00:08 |
| RurouniJones | I tihnk they are recruited from School cafeteria personnel. | 00:08 |
| Arif_ | RurouniJones, last thing I saw they were making pr0n in the airplanes xD | 00:09 |
| RurouniJones | Also read the "Freefall survival guide" very funny and interesting. | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | Arif_: that's why european flights are so cheap | 00:10 |
| Arif_ | they're not exactly cheap | 00:10 |
| jacekowski | Arif_: i mean - you can get from east to west for like £30 | 00:11 |
| RurouniJones | If you don't mind being abused by Ryanair | 00:11 |
| Arif_ | NL>TR is like 200 euro in the summer | 00:11 |
| jacekowski | if you are flexible on dates | 00:11 |
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| jacekowski | Arif_: can you be more precise | 00:11 |
| Arif_ | Holland>Turkey is like 200+ euro in the summer period | 00:11 |
| Arif_ | thats not what I call cheap | 00:12 |
| jacekowski | well | 00:12 |
| jacekowski | according to skyscanner it's 200 | 00:12 |
| jacekowski | but for return ticket | 00:12 |
| jacekowski | so it works out 100 for nl>tr | 00:12 |
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| Arif_ | hmm, guess its different here | 00:13 |
| RurouniJones | Right, orf to work. For those interested, enjoy the freefall research page: http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/carkeet.html | 00:13 |
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| Arif_ | have fun =} | 00:14 |
| jacekowski | use skyscanner | 00:14 |
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| jacekowski | lowest price £89 for 21 jun | 00:15 |
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| jacekowski | 15 jun | 00:16 |
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| jacekowski | 15jun | 00:16 |
| Arif_ | one way is 150 on June 22 | 00:16 |
| Arif_ | return was near 300 | 00:16 |
| Arif_ | guess its cheaper there =} | 00:17 |
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| * Arif_ plans on leaving somewhere in that week | 00:17 | |
| jacekowski | i've been in france last week | 00:17 |
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| Arif_ | I've been in France once | 00:19 |
| Arif_ | I didn't really like it...={ | 00:19 |
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| corecode_ | lots of frenchmen, eh | 00:22 |
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| ShadowJK | whoah | 00:48 |
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| ShadowJK | N900 acquired lock in place where sirfstarIII doesn't :) | 00:48 |
| haltdef | win? | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: heh - I guess with A though | 01:10 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually sirfstar-III was top of the pile ~2 years (iirc) ago, meanwhile other chipsets are on par or even better | 01:15 |
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| ShadowJK | it's a nice benchmark | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: he seems rather pissed | 01:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | :( | 01:34 |
| noobmonk3y | and not here :) | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | not here? | 01:34 |
| noobmonk3y | well he isnt replying :D | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | define "here" | 01:34 |
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| noobmonk3y | talking to me, he may be in another #room lol | 01:35 |
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| Funnyface | when the N900 is in standby mode, is the screen supposed to be completely black, or is there a way to just turn off the backlight? | 01:47 |
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| pupnik | interesting question | 01:48 |
| pupnik | is n900 screen viewable without backlight in sunlight? | 01:48 |
| GAN900 | Yes | 01:49 |
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| red | barely | 01:50 |
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| massoud | Hi there | 01:55 |
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| b0unc3 | hey guys, is there any way to open the statusbar popup from command line ? (or by making some lines of code) | 02:00 |
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| massoud | I am trying to play xvid videos but can find the right app | 02:14 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good enough for viewing NOKIA anyway | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | even in dimmed room, not only in sunlight | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | afail it's even in the specs for N900 | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik even | 02:17 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | massoud, standard media player is sufficient | 02:18 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | is there a tab on n900 | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 02:18 |
| C-S-B-N900 | for xchat to auto complete nicks | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | tabkey? no | 02:19 |
| C-S-B-N900 | shortcut... | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: change shortcut in xchat settings | 02:19 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i can see the lack of key. | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | shift-space is the common suggestion | 02:19 |
| Funnyface | sorry got disturbed and forgot I had asked a question here... lol | 02:19 |
| Funnyface | well yes the screen is viewable without backlight, I noticed that when it rebooted | 02:20 |
| Funnyface | it displayed the nokia splash screen without backlight | 02:20 |
| pupnik | C-S-B-N900: in terminal use ctrl-i | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-23 01:15:40] <DocScrutinizer> good enough for viewing NOKIA anyway | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: italic terminal? | 02:21 |
| pupnik | what | 02:21 |
| pupnik | for tab | 02:21 |
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| pupnik | you making fun of me for wanting keyboard paste with ctrl-v i bet :) | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: settings- advanced. kbd-shortcuts | 02:22 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | DocScrutinizer theres an auto complete opetion, shame its not working | 02:22 |
| njsf_1 | re Hi all | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: works like a charm here | 02:23 |
| C-S-B-N900 | really Docscrutinizer,oh yeah just did. | 02:23 |
| pupnik | autocomplete in chat should work on all recently typed words > 5 chars | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: xchat menu: settings-> advanced-> kbd-shortcuts | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | when people started sending out sms messages on numeric keyboards, they were complaining that it took 2 lng 2 rite th hol wrd | 02:24 |
| crashanddie | then they started doing it on full keyboards as well, saying it jst aloud 4 fstr txtng | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | now people have full blown keyboards on their phones, and they still go "IT'S TOO LONG TOO TYPE I TELL THEE" | 02:26 |
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| crashanddie | get a grip, your time isn't so important that you can't take the time to spell out a full word. | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | </rant> | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: you're well? | 02:27 |
| crashanddie | venting | 02:27 |
| crashanddie | trying to vent on unimportant things rather than people :) | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I hope it's unrelated to autocompletion - otherwise you'd be somewhat mistaken | 02:28 |
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| dmj726_n900 | I just installed ubuntu 10.04 using my n900 as a liveusb. | 02:29 |
| C-S-B-N900 | awesome. | 02:29 |
| dmj726_n900 | only took 11 minutes to install. | 02:29 |
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| dmj726_n900 | I'm preety impressed that the n900 can do that. | 02:30 |
| crashanddie | it's a usb device | 02:30 |
| C-S-B-N900 | dmj726_n900: if you happen to get the maemo sdk working in lucid,let me know. | 02:30 |
| dmj726_n900 | once had a bad experience attempting the samething on a garmin. | 02:30 |
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| crashanddie | dmj726_n900: the plural of anecdotes isn't data | 02:31 |
| dmj726_n900 | does it not work on lucid? | 02:31 |
| C-S-B-N900 | data is plural. | 02:31 |
| dmj726_n900 | i know. shall we try it on an iphone? ;) | 02:31 |
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| crashanddie | C-S-B-N900: but not of anecdote :) | 02:31 |
| sevard | Does anyone use erming + gpe calendar on their n810? | 02:31 |
| sevard | I ask because I can not, for the life of me, get erming to accept my u/p. | 02:32 |
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| dmj726_n900 | If it doesn't work I'll have to chroot to my karmic install | 02:33 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | dmj726_n900: everything installed ok here but i cant get it to work. dbus errors | 02:34 |
| dmj726_n900 | ah | 02:35 |
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| dmj726_n900 | 32 or 64? | 02:35 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | 32 | 02:35 |
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| dmj726_n900 | hmm...hopefully 64 won't be an issue. | 02:35 |
| C-S-B-N900 | it also mentions hal. which has gone... | 02:35 |
| C-S-B-N900 | isnt 64 more of an issue? | 02:36 |
| dmj726_n900 | ah...hal deprecation | 02:36 |
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| dmj726_n900 | it could be an issue or not...kinda random. | 02:36 |
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| njsf_1 | dmj726_n900: not that random... afaik the cortex A8 is a 32 bit CPU | 02:39 |
| njsf_1 | or did I understood you wrong about wanting to run it on the n900? | 02:40 |
| dmj726_n900 | huh? | 02:41 |
| dmj726_n900 | no I used it to install on my hdd | 02:41 |
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| njsf_1 | oh ok, you got me confused for a while :D | 02:42 |
| dmj726_n900 | the 64 bit was more about running the sdk | 02:42 |
| njsf_1 | well 9.10 is still a mixed 32+64 distro so it should work fine | 02:42 |
| njsf_1 | not sure about 10.04, but I suspect the same, did not check | 02:42 |
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| MrGoose | up? | 03:02 |
| MrGoose | uh... nevermind, had the irc window scrolled up | 03:02 |
| tylerfixer | Hey, is anyone working on a SMS-from-PC app for the N900? | 03:03 |
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| tylerfixer | With my WinMo phone I have an app called "Jeyo Mobile Companion" that lets me SMS from my PC with an outlook-like interface. If no one's working on something similar, maybe I should. | 03:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tylerfixer: I think I don't get your point | 03:06 |
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| tylerfixer | This app would let you plug your N900 into your computer via usb, or even over wifi/bluetooth and send/receive SMS using your desktop. | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah wait, you want to send SMS via a tethered N900, from an app on your windows PC? | 03:07 |
| tylerfixer | Yep! | 03:07 |
| tylerfixer | Jeyo Mobile Companion is what I use on my current WinMo phone. | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | most generic way would probably incluse cygwin, to run the genuine N900 sms app on your windows desktop | 03:08 |
| tylerfixer | Rather, my idea was to have a python app on the N900 that would communicate with a java or C/Qt app on the desktop and allow sending SMS by using the N900's cellular modem | 03:09 |
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| tylerfixer | I know how to do this, I am starting on a simple java UI for the desktop, and about to begin on the python app for the n900 tomorrow. My only question would be if anyone else is interested, so I would know what level of documentation and ease-of-use should be expected. | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | the n900 modem tethering isn't much different to any other modem I'd guess. otoh I have no idea what nokia's PC-suite provides | 03:10 |
| Tobarja_n810 | is flash somewhere in maemo extras? | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you got this function there, ready to use | 03:10 |
| tylerfixer | DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure what you mean? I am sure there is no such function as of yet. | 03:11 |
| njsf_1 | DocScrutinizer: as of today Ovi Suite provides only contact sync and backup | 03:11 |
| njsf_1 | 2 updates ago also would do calendar sync | 03:11 |
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| njsf_1 | this is tethered sync with Outlook | 03:12 |
| tylerfixer | I guess one question would be if there was a method to allow custom 'conduits' like ActiveSync on WinMo or PalmOS does, but only through Ovi Sync | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea. I got not even any redmond borne OS here | 03:12 |
| njsf_1 | Oh and supposedly also USB net tethering control but never tried it | 03:13 |
| sevard | oh my god | 03:13 |
| sevard | does -anyone- use GPE Calendar | 03:13 |
| njsf_1 | Ovi suite is supposed to sync messages, but not so with N900 | 03:13 |
| tylerfixer | Should we? | 03:13 |
| sevard | on their n810 | 03:13 |
| njsf_1 | it is a f'ing bloated piece of s**t | 03:13 |
| tylerfixer | njsf_1: Ovi Sync? or GPE ? | 03:14 |
| njsf_1 | FYI I continue to talk about Ovi suite :D | 03:14 |
| tylerfixer | oh haha okay | 03:14 |
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| tylerfixer | IRC is so complicated. | 03:14 |
| sevard | Reality is confusing. | 03:14 |
| tylerfixer | haha | 03:14 |
| sevard | So seriously, no GPE experimenters? | 03:15 |
| sevard | Looking through the forums it looks like this stuff actually worked at one point. | 03:15 |
| njsf_1 | I tried it in Dec after getting the N900, was not very impressed | 03:15 |
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| njsf_1 | it did work, but I need more fancy stuff | 03:16 |
| tylerfixer | My base plan for the SMS from PC app is to study the USSD-widget source and find how it receives SMS replies, and then figure out how to transport that *somehow* to the N900, whether via USB or wifi/BT. | 03:16 |
| njsf_1 | still using DateBk6 on garnet VM :( | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | tylerfixer: USSD is *absolutely unrelated* to SMS | 03:16 |
| sevard | njsf_1: fancy? jeeze. I can't even get it to work. It's supposed to sync with your private ics link from google calendar, but I can't get that to work. SO then I tried ermile, which doesn't work at all. | 03:16 |
| sevard | I'm starting to think, is this a joke? | 03:16 |
| tylerfixer | DocScrutinizer: I know. The only thing that I would look for is how it receives the replies. I can either just plain 'ol read the SMS database with my python application, or I can directly get the SMS reply as it comes in, as does USSD-pad/widget | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | and USSD widget does exactly one thing: send AT+CSD to pnatd | 03:17 |
| njsf_1 | this == GPE sevard? I never even tried sync, since the plain data entry was enough to see I needed more control that it allowed | 03:17 |
| sevard | this? Yes, this is what I'm trying to do with GPE Calendar | 03:18 |
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| sevard | to subscribe to my google ics private link or to use Erming for syncronization | 03:18 |
| sevard | honestly I don't care how I get there... | 03:18 |
| tylerfixer | DocScrutinizer: I haven't actually used USSD-pad/widget, but in a video that I saw, it was able to get the reply from the USSD command. My program needs to send and receive SMS using python. Is there another app that would provide me with a way to get a SMS as it comes in? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | not afaik | 03:19 |
| tylerfixer | Hmm, I guess I'll have to write that too. | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could check if you can talk to messaging app | 03:20 |
| tylerfixer | Through D-BUS ? | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, possibly | 03:20 |
| tylerfixer | Actually, does Conversations send a D-BUS signal when a new SMS comes in? | 03:20 |
| tylerfixer | conversations, messaging app, I'm not sure what it's called haha | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a simple d-bus cmd to *send* sms. No idea how to intercept inbound | 03:20 |
| tylerfixer | Yeah, that's what I'm looking for. Intercepting a SMS. For some reason I thought that USSD-widget/pad was able to do that | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, absutely not | 03:21 |
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| tylerfixer | Okay, thanks for clearing that up. | 03:21 |
| tylerfixer | I *just* got my N900 | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | you may want to have a look at conversations (prolly the correct name ;-) and on pnatd | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | also on dbus calls doc in wiki | 03:22 |
| tylerfixer | Okay thanks! | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | more like "doc" | 03:22 |
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| tylerfixer | I wonder if they send D-BUS signals when SMS' are received... | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS | 03:23 |
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| Robot101 | all of the smses arrive through telepathy | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | tylerfixer: use mdbus2 to monitor both dbus busses during inbound sms | 03:24 |
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| Robot101 | you can write a client called an observer which gets the incoming messages | 03:24 |
| tylerfixer | Perfect! | 03:24 |
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| tylerfixer | Now, I suppose I have to put my SIM in my N900 :) | 03:25 |
| tylerfixer | DocScrutinizer: mdbus2 is exactly what I was looking for. If I can get a D-BUS message when a SMS is received, that will save me quite a bit of work at reading the SMS database (not that much work, as AFAIK it's just SQLITE) | 03:26 |
| microlith | that would be useful :) | 03:26 |
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| tylerfixer | Part of my interest for this application is because of the sheer volume of SMS i receive and send in a day... many of my friends don't have a device like the n900, so SMS are their primary means of contacting me :) | 03:27 |
| Robot101 | there's a spec and example programs for interacting with telepathy... | 03:28 |
| Robot101 | telepathy.freedesktop.org | 03:29 |
| pupnik | i suspect it is a terrible idea to work with intel | 03:29 |
| tylerfixer | Okay, I'll check that out | 03:29 |
| tylerfixer | Seems that telepathy does use D-BUS quite a bit | 03:30 |
| tylerfixer | The docs look quite comprehensive | 03:30 |
| tylerfixer | Although I am unable to find anything that references SMS on the protocol specs. | 03:31 |
| tylerfixer | Time for Google! | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | tylerfixer: maybe pkg dbus-scripts is also worth a look | 03:31 |
| tylerfixer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/DBus_in_Freemantle | 03:32 |
| tylerfixer | Looks like all I need is right there. | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | tylerfixer: start executable on certain dbus signals | 03:32 |
| Robot101 | tylerfixer: it's just another protocol for telepathy, uses the normal text/message channels | 03:32 |
| Robot101 | thats how all the conversations stuff works, one api | 03:33 |
| tylerfixer | My thought is that I'd have a python daemon that would monitor incoming SMS and if connected to a PC client, it'd funnel it over to the PC. | 03:33 |
| tylerfixer | So starting an app on dbus signal would most likely take quite a bit of CPU, and would be very repetitive. | 03:33 |
| Robot101 | d-bus services can keep running once they've been activated | 03:34 |
| Robot101 | you can leave telepathy a .client file to register to be notified of all new text channels | 03:35 |
| tylerfixer | Would there be an advantage to that rather than starting a daemon on boot? | 03:35 |
| Robot101 | saving memory if there are no ongoing conversations | 03:35 |
| tylerfixer | True. | 03:35 |
| Robot101 | and guaranteeing not to miss any | 03:35 |
| tylerfixer | Sounds like that's what I'll do then. | 03:36 |
| Robot101 | telepathy ensures observers are loaded before other clients can acknowledge messages | 03:36 |
| crashanddie | Wasn't there a python script that parsed incoming SMS's, look up youtube videos for a song/artist and played the most popular one? | 03:36 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, did the cops find your stash? | 03:36 |
| Robot101 | anyway, need to sleep. there's a #telepathy | 03:36 |
| tylerfixer | Thanks Robot101! | 03:36 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: eh? | 03:37 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: I thought someone fixed something like that up at the summit? | 03:37 |
| Robot101 | might be a few ozzies who can help you at this kinda time | 03:37 |
| tylerfixer | crashanddie: I'm looking for that script right now .. that would have quite a bit of the heavy-lifting done for me already | 03:37 |
| tylerfixer | Python isn't my favorite of languages... | 03:37 |
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| Robot101 | tylerfixer: look for telepathy-python's examples dir, and also for danielle madeley's blog posts about telepathy, observers and mission control :) | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: :-P | 03:39 |
| tylerfixer | Robot101: Okay! Looking right now. | 03:39 |
| tylerfixer | Got like 30 tabs open in firefox haha | 03:39 |
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| Robot101 | also there's a telepathy book work in progress | 03:39 |
| Robot101 | but the examples are mostly C/glib there | 03:40 |
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| tylerfixer | The telepathy examples look interesting. I'll try some of those out when I get time. | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: actually I tought same, some hours ago | 03:43 |
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| tylerfixer | So, if I were to write this application, would anyone rather me write the desktop component in a different language other than java? | 03:46 |
| C-S-B | ive just had to solder the power connector of my netbook back for the millionth time | 03:46 |
| C-S-B | it has insulation tape instead of the plastic shroud now | 03:47 |
| C-S-B | thats 1337 | 03:47 |
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| tylerfixer | Completely unrelated question: is there a way to modify the default application close behavior? I'd like to change it so that when you close an application it goes back to the desktop, rather than the application switcher. | 03:49 |
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| crashanddie | "A Linux admin must be root. A Windows admin must reboot. Being a Mac admin is quite moot." | 03:50 |
| ml-mobile | what's a Plan 9 admin? | 03:51 |
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| jaska | ml-mobile: from outer space | 03:52 |
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| tylerfixer | Another question: is it possible to make the dialpad the default screen to show up when you tap the 'phone' icon? | 03:55 |
| tylerfixer | I suppose these questions are better suited for the talk.maemo.org | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | tylerfixer: you're about to feel very much alone. | 03:57 |
| tylerfixer | crashanddie: why would that be? | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: remove my op rights | 03:57 |
| pupnik | good questions: dunno man | 03:57 |
| tylerfixer | (forgive me, I don't use IRC very much) | 03:57 |
| pupnik | if nobody here knows, ask in the forum | 03:58 |
| tylerfixer | I suppose I'll create a thread. I just wanted to avoid the "search!" comments, since I can't seem to find it even with Google | 03:59 |
| crashanddie | tylerfixer: I don't think it's possible | 03:59 |
| crashanddie | tylerfixer: the reason being that the phone app isn't open, so can't be modified, and I don't believe such settings are supported (yet) | 03:59 |
| tylerfixer | That's a bummer. 3 taps to a dialpad. | 03:59 |
| tylerfixer | actually 2. | 04:00 |
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| tylerfixer | oh well that's not bad, just different than what I'm used to | 04:00 |
| crashanddie | tylerfixer: check the bugtracker. See if there are people who have raised the same issues. They may be prime candidates for enhancement requestws | 04:01 |
| tylerfixer | Good idea. I'll check that | 04:01 |
| crashanddie | tylerfixer: if you start typing digits, it goes directly to dialpad | 04:01 |
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| crashanddie | tylerfixer: from desktop, open keyboard, start typing digits (blue arrow + p), dialpad appears | 04:01 |
| tylerfixer | Wow, thanks! | 04:02 |
| tylerfixer | Perfect! | 04:02 |
| tylerfixer | Thought that was only for contact names though | 04:02 |
| tylerfixer | I have a lot to figure out still with this new device | 04:02 |
| crashanddie | I've had the device for over 6 months and just started using it as a phone this weekend | 04:03 |
| tylerfixer | My n800 took a long time to get completely used to also, but after I did, I felt completely at home with it. | 04:03 |
| tylerfixer | I don't think I'm going to use my n900 as a phone for some time | 04:03 |
| tylerfixer | I might get a data-only SIM from tmobile | 04:03 |
| tylerfixer | Unfortunately, I can't seem to fault my Touch Pro at the moment (rather than it being WinMo and unstable) | 04:04 |
| pupnik | n900 is good for irc and web while waiting in line | 04:04 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, can't. Why? | 04:04 |
| tylerfixer | And I'm still concerned about my USB port on my N900, that thread about the USB ports falling out has me worried sick | 04:04 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: cuz I'm useless | 04:05 |
| tylerfixer | I filed down the prongs on my cheapo cable, but I'm still babying the connector when I go to charge | 04:05 |
| crashanddie | anyway, going for lunch, 'ater | 04:05 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, lol | 04:05 |
| tylerfixer | Thanks for your help! | 04:05 |
| pupnik | slang yo thang tylerfixer | 04:05 |
| tylerfixer | ? | 04:06 |
| pupnik | useless text, nm | 04:06 |
| tylerfixer | haha okay | 04:06 |
| tylerfixer | Well, I'm off to start on the pc GUI for my sms app | 04:06 |
| pupnik | nice chatting | 04:06 |
| tylerfixer | I'll post in the forums when I have a preview | 04:07 |
| pupnik | cool | 04:07 |
| tylerfixer | Bye! | 04:07 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | I want a full proper sync app for the phone on linux | 04:18 |
| C-S-B-N900 | would have been nice for nokia to have thought of this. | 04:19 |
| Andrewfblack | 6d0 | 04:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: wtf?? | 04:19 |
| Andrewfblack | 04:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 04:19 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ? | 04:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: sync with what - that's the question | 04:20 |
| Andrewfblack | any way to trick n900 to think its connected to network | 04:20 |
| C-S-B-N900 | evolution would be nice. | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Andrewfblack: what's the use of that? | 04:21 |
| Andrewfblack | tricking it to let me access a webserver running on it while I'm offline | 04:21 |
| C-S-B-N900 | what was the wtf for? | 04:21 |
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| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 04:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: Andrewfblack sent empty NL | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Andrewfblack: I think you'd not need to trick it into anything, to access local html | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | err http | 04:23 |
| Andrewfblack | if your not on network it keeps asking for you to connect | 04:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | never tried that. Sounds strange | 04:23 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | docScrutinizer what os are you running and how are you syncing data? | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-22 19:50:09] <javispedro> iirc the browser-ui was patched not to require connection for localhost or file:// urls | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: Linux, and not at all ATM | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | mail is synced via "keep mail on server" | 04:27 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | i wonder what percent of n900 users are running linux? | 04:27 |
| C-S-B-N900 | on there pc | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | more than the desktop percentage of linux in general | 04:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as probably >50% bought a N900 because they love linux | 04:28 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i know i did. | 04:28 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i love that idling in irc stops the stupid wlan0 power saving :) | 04:29 |
| cehteh | not that much, i'm in many channels and it still does quite good powersaving | 04:31 |
| cehteh | maybe because my crappy ap .. it has sometimes 1 minute lag | 04:31 |
| cehteh | when turning on netradio disabling powersaving irc (and ssh) becomes useable | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: are you sure this is your ap? I see same lags here | 04:41 |
| cehteh | absolutely positive on the crappy AP ... | 04:43 |
| cehteh | first its DLINK | 04:43 |
| cehteh | second, without irc, just ssh the problem is there too | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so? I see same lags occasionally. And it seems those are much more severe and frequent when N900 isn'T charging | 04:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or maybe s/charging/backlighting the LCD/ | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suspect that's N900 powersaving, which occasionally doesn't wake from 0clock to process an inbound packet | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably Nokia implemented a waggonload of magic there, to get decent standby times | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I only ever see lags of under 500ms | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | even if it's been idle for hours | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: on charger?Ü | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | and I still get battery life of >24h | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | on battery | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 04:48 |
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| pupnik | hahaha | 04:59 |
| pupnik | 5-8h is average here | 04:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | with full backlight and quite some surfing the web over 3G, yes - same here | 05:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | with backlight at 25%, irc and SIP over WLAN, some 20..26h | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | of which easily 10h are actually with backlight on, other half dim screen | 05:12 |
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| cehteh | mhm | 05:31 |
| cehteh | imo the 'idle' or 'low' use battery times are ok | 05:31 |
| cehteh | but if you actually do something cpu intensive it really drains the battery fast | 05:31 |
| cehteh | i mean charged, connected to gsm and wlan, irc running would last approx 12 hrs here | 05:32 |
| GAN900 | cehteh, that's what you get when you fill something with fast hardware. . . . | 05:33 |
| cehteh | but as soon a 20 minute flash loaden web session sucks 40% of the juice its no fun anymore | 05:33 |
| cehteh | well yes .. and shows that the powersaving is quite efficient | 05:33 |
| cehteh | but still | 05:34 |
| cehteh | 50% more battery capacity would be quite much better .. i often didnt got through the day with one charge or had the battery dead at the next morning | 05:35 |
| cehteh | and when the battery warning comes its maybe 30 minutes left, thats often not enouhg to get to the charger | 05:35 |
| cehteh | (30 minutes idle) | 05:35 |
| cehteh | battery warning really means run to the charger and dont use the device anymore except for emergency calls | 05:36 |
| pupnik | i simply accept that my use profile drains batt | 05:38 |
| pupnik | and curse the entire history of web evolution | 05:39 |
| cehteh | yeah, i just liked to have little more reserve | 05:39 |
| pupnik | :) | 05:39 |
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| cehteh | if it discharges to 40%-30% during a normal day then the battery would last much longer too because it isnt constantly full cycled | 05:40 |
| pupnik | if next device has a slightly bigger battery and oled, you could get 50 pct more | 05:40 |
| pupnik | ahh true | 05:40 |
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| cehteh | and being able 2 days on the road without charge and low usage would be possibke to, not too uncommon | 05:41 |
| pupnik | one day would serve me | 05:41 |
| cehteh | currently its just running after the next wall socket whenever arriving the destination | 05:41 |
| pupnik | mhm | 05:42 |
| cehteh | yes in most cases 1 day is ok | 05:42 |
| pupnik | i usually make that a criterion for my restauraunt too | 05:42 |
| cehteh | yeah would be nice if one doesnt have to do that | 05:42 |
| cehteh | and that doesnt always work too | 05:42 |
| cehteh | i dont want magic as in a week long usage time, and the current way works, but there is really no reserve | 05:44 |
| cehteh | missing a train home at night .. want to do a phone call .. oops battery just empty | 05:44 |
| pupnik | carry two :/ | 05:45 |
| cehteh | considering that | 05:45 |
| redeeman | that would be an abomination | 05:45 |
| cehteh | well maybe external with microusb to plug in | 05:45 |
| cehteh | dont care if such an extra box weights little more | 05:45 |
| cehteh | maybe some baby nimh cells .. | 05:46 |
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| pupnik | a second battery is quite compact | 05:56 |
| pupnik | can even be stuck in wallet | 05:57 |
| cehteh | hehe found an advantage of the small battery? :) | 05:57 |
| crashanddie | just pack the Nokia charger pack | 05:57 |
| cehteh | well changing it unmounts the microsd .. i still didnt disabled that daemon | 05:58 |
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| * cehteh wonders if 5 AA cells in series connected to this small charge adapter work, 6V should be in the allowed range iirc | 05:59 | |
| crashanddie | http://www.phonesuit.com/products/MiLi_USB_Power_Bank-23-10.html | 05:59 |
| crashanddie | done | 05:59 |
| cehteh | yeah or something like that | 05:59 |
| crashanddie | Nokia makes one internally IIRC | 05:59 |
| cehteh | while most of this toys are overpriced and have bad capacity | 05:59 |
| crashanddie | one of the Nokia marketing chicks had one | 06:00 |
| pupnik | android might as well be java on symbian | 06:00 |
| cehteh | 2000ma .. but connecting to the usb has prolly not very good efficency | 06:00 |
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| crashanddie | what does efficiency have to do with it? | 06:01 |
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| crashanddie | don't use words you don't understand the meaning of, thank you | 06:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: otherwise you'd change the cell without unmounting the uSD?? ;-P | 06:01 |
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| cehteh | well yes .. some suspend to disk or even better uninterrupted battery change would be nice | 06:02 |
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| cehteh | who need dual sim .. we want dual battery :) | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually a reasonable request | 06:03 |
| * cehteh still thinking about getting the e-werk for the bike its pricy but i am prolly to lazy to build something on my own | 06:03 | |
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| cehteh | well would be already fine if the device could run on usb power while changing the battery | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: efficiency is exactly the correct word here. If N900 starts charging one bat from another, that's probably <50% efficiency over all | 06:06 |
| crashanddie | USB efficiency makes no sense at all though | 06:06 |
| cehteh | yeah .. some external pack should have at least 3000mah better more | 06:06 |
| cehteh | you want to plug it in and sustain the device and give a full charge to the internal battery | 06:07 |
| crashanddie | and you'd be surprised at how good the efficiency is. It's not like there's a lot of heat dissipation or any mechanical transfer that causes loss | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: cehteh never used the term "usb efficiency", see backscroll | 06:07 |
| crashanddie | [14:00] <cehteh> 2000ma .. but connecting to the usb has prolly not very good efficency | 06:07 |
| crashanddie | considering you can only charge the N900 through USB, I'm right, you're wrong. End of story. | 06:08 |
| cehteh | well thats nothing much related to usb .. but to charge circruits | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, he could have used "implies" instead of "has" | 06:08 |
| cehteh | and there is clearly no high demand on makeing the internal charge circruit overly efficient | 06:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: yeah, teach an EE about efficiency ;-P | 06:10 |
| cehteh | considering how warm the device gets when charging, and that liion batteries themself genereate very little heat when charging, the circruit heat a lot energy away | 06:10 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: you're not the only one who holds a degree in electronics | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never claimed | 06:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but I observe warming of N900 exactly the way cehteh described one line above | 06:12 |
| * cehteh just claims to be a user sometimes who wants the device better and better :P | 06:12 | |
| crashanddie | hold any dell powerbrick | 06:13 |
| crashanddie | (when plugged in and charging) | 06:13 |
| crashanddie | now there's heat dissipation, I actually use it to warm up my bed during cold winter nights | 06:13 |
| crashanddie | Also, the N900 heats nothing compared to an iPhone or blackberry | 06:14 |
| cehteh | for the wall charger it doesnt matter, but if you provide the input from a secondary battery it matters quite much | 06:14 |
| crashanddie | hence, there is seriously little loss on my N900... Maybe I just have a special one? | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 06:15 |
| * cehteh didnt measure or calculate but i bet it heats 1Watt away while charging | 06:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe your usage patterns differ | 06:15 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: just saying, the Nokia chick said she could pull two full charges out of her external battery pack | 06:15 |
| cehteh | crashanddie: pepetuum mobile? | 06:15 |
| crashanddie | but then again, she's marketing | 06:15 |
| pupnik | i rarely if ever feel warmth from n900 crashanddie | 06:15 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: where'd'you get yours? | 06:16 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: summit? | 06:16 |
| pupnik | summit | 06:16 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 06:16 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: you? | 06:16 |
| cehteh | what she saied | 06:16 |
| crashanddie | summit? | 06:16 |
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| cehteh | the pack has 2000mah .. the n900 battery has 1320mah ... | 06:17 |
| cehteh | mhm wonder what kind of battery and voltage regulation the pack has ... 2000mah @ 5V? | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: voltage of pack? | 06:17 |
| cehteh | yeah dunno about that | 06:18 |
| cehteh | i bet it has a 3.7V battery and step up converter :P | 06:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well that's great. they state a mAh figure, but don't tell about voltage... | 06:18 |
| cehteh | yeah :) | 06:18 |
| cehteh | maybe 2 cells .. and step down? | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | so this might as well be from 5V usb out | 06:19 |
| cehteh | would be bit better | 06:19 |
| cehteh | i doubt that .. marketing does the labels :P | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | that would make much more sense with the stated 2 complete charges of a 1320mAh cell | 06:20 |
| crashanddie | lmao | 06:20 |
| crashanddie | I was just eyeballing some numbers in a slashdot post | 06:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf lmao | 06:21 |
| infobot | LMAO: laughing my ass off | 06:21 |
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| crashanddie | and some guy just replied, confirming my numbers, confirming them dramatically | 06:22 |
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| crashanddie | some guy said he wanted a lens at 700mm focal length, with a f/1 f-number. I estimated that this would mean a 70cm diametre lens, so would never be very portable. The guy who replied to my post cited some lens made in the 70s, 667mm, f/0.75, 3.5 tons | 06:23 |
| crashanddie | :D | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | spy sat? | 06:25 |
| cehteh | there was one on ebay some time ago | 06:25 |
| cehteh | only a few got ever manufactured | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | what, a 3.5t lens XD | 06:26 |
| pupnik | i would like to see multi-ton lens on a N900 | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | rotfl | 06:26 |
| crashanddie | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591528&cid=31579340 | 06:28 |
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| crashanddie | heh, first tele lens that also serves as a nuclear shelter | 06:28 |
| cehteh | i cant find the story ... | 06:32 |
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| Tobarja | last silly question for the night... do you turn your nXXX off at night or when you slide it back in it's case, or do you generally leave it on? | 06:36 |
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| crashanddie | Tobarja: on 24/7 | 06:44 |
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| cehteh | i turn the phone part off | 06:47 |
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| crashanddie | ~wtf quidnunc | 07:06 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what quidnunc means... | 07:06 |
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| crashanddie | ~wtf sesquipedalianist | 07:14 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what sesquipedalianist means... | 07:14 |
| crashanddie | ~usuk | 07:15 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 07:56 |
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| luke-jr | MORNING STSKEEPS SIR MAAM | 08:17 |
| luke-jr | night | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | morn luke-jr | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | how's the kiddos? | 08:20 |
| RST38h | moorning STs | 08:21 |
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| pupnik | kids are also little goats. the names have significance | 08:25 |
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| pupnik | so my experiments with hitting alsa directly are not a shining success. i keep losing sound compleely | 08:41 |
| pupnik | t | 08:41 |
| RST38h | forget it :( | 08:43 |
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| thresh | moroning | 08:44 |
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| pupnik | i keep doing it anyway. worth an occasional need to reboot | 08:48 |
| pupnik | RST38h: did you know they finally added shuffle to mplayer? after years of nagging :) | 08:50 |
| pupnik | CPU: 7.2 mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa..... | 08:50 |
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| crashanddie | lol, pupnik, so they finally gave in to the "mplayer isn't a media player" chestnut? | 08:58 |
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| pupnik | looks like it crashanddie | 09:02 |
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| pupnik | now it is 'perfect' | 09:03 |
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| ebzzry | Hi! Is there an implementation of Haskell already available? | 09:30 |
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| mece | I really hate when an internet connection is "10Mbps" and have a limit of 25Gb/month. So which one is it? is it 10Mbps or 80kbps? | 09:41 |
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| ShadowJK | i'vve done >25Gbyte in a month with edge :) | 09:44 |
| mece | exactly | 09:44 |
| mece | I mean 25Gb/month == ~80kbps. Why do they write out two speeds without clarifying? | 09:45 |
| mece | asshats. | 09:45 |
| ShadowJK | Well you can do 10M for a day and then 0 for the other 29 days ;D | 09:45 |
| pgas | 25Gb/month is not a speed | 09:46 |
| mece | yes it is. | 09:47 |
| pupnik | :) | 09:47 |
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| mece | ok if you want to nitpic no it's not a speed like m/s. | 09:47 |
| mece | but is sure-as-shit is a speed like 2Mb/s | 09:48 |
| pgas | ehe, *I* am nitpicking? | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, does anyone know if it's possible to adjust the timeout of the mobile internet cutting off when there's no connectivity? | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | it would help me immensely in warsaw metro to up that a bit :) | 09:49 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, in case you're wondering in the future: /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_no_coverage_timeout | 09:54 |
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| mece | hey google stopped censoring china! That's pretty cool. | 09:55 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, cool! I might need that when I'm at my summerhouse. | 09:55 |
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| Stskeeps | 60s isn't enough to get from station to station, so | 09:57 |
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| mece | but is it able to keep the connection when switching towers while out of reach? | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | that's been my impression here | 09:58 |
| mece | well that's pretty cool then. | 09:59 |
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| Stskeeps | but it may vary from vendor to vendor | 09:59 |
| mece | i guess. | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | i will test it out tomorrow | 09:59 |
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| mece | whoa, a christian death metal band is following me on twitter. | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | so irritated at the gprs getting cut out when there's perfectly good signal :) | 09:59 |
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| Stskeeps | and having to reinit connection | 09:59 |
| silverbullet | hi all | 09:59 |
| mece | oops. | 09:59 |
| mece | wrong window. | 09:59 |
| silverbullet | any news about enw fw update ? | 10:00 |
| tekojo | mece is it time for armageddon then ? | 10:00 |
| silverbullet | 1.2? | 10:00 |
| mece | tekojo, I guess.. I' | 10:00 |
| mece | tekojo, perhaps time to dust off the #hailsatan tag? | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | silverbullet: SDK came out, release can't be far away | 10:00 |
| tekojo | would sound like the time | 10:00 |
| silverbullet | sdk came out when ? | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | silverbullet: yesterday | 10:01 |
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| silverbullet | ok cool | 10:01 |
| mece | so one would think that the actual update is not that far away.. | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | 'Browser’s back button actually goes back, instead of showing history'' | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | thank god | 10:02 |
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| silverbullet | stskeeps: ...yes !!! good news ! | 10:02 |
| silverbullet | i wanted that | 10:02 |
| silverbullet | although tha history effect is cool for demo purposes :) | 10:02 |
| rmrfchik_ | if I left n900 with running browser and media player (serfed a bit before sleep) then when morning alarm wakes up it takes toooo long time to get out of swap :( | 10:03 |
| silverbullet | sometimes it happens | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | so the alarm keeps on going and you can't turn it off? :P | 10:04 |
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| rmrfchik_ | yes | 10:04 |
| rmrfchik_ | the same with phone | 10:04 |
| silverbullet | hehe | 10:04 |
| rmrfchik_ | Sometimes phone ringing, screen is black and no way to pick the phone or decline | 10:05 |
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| silverbullet | wow | 10:05 |
| rmrfchik_ | thanks god, Speaker button is on the same place as Answer button, | 10:05 |
| rmrfchik_ | so "click-click-click" is resulting either on answer or answer+loud speaker | 10:05 |
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| silverbullet | any news of meego runtime ??? | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | waiting for day one | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | tomorrow is first TSG meeting | 10:09 |
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| silverbullet | hmm | 10:09 |
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| cityLights2 | hi all | 10:12 |
| cityLights2 | ok , here is my problem: | 10:12 |
| cityLights2 | I run openvpn to establish a tap0 device , I use the --up to run a script as soon as the connection is established | 10:12 |
| cityLights2 | this is the script http://pastebin.com/uZ3mrqmP | 10:12 |
| cityLights2 | and this is the output: http://pastebin.com/jBE8LDBd | 10:12 |
| cityLights2 | as you can see the whie loop is not obaied | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | did you mail to maemo-developers asking about if it was possible to get dhcp and stuff like that through icd? | 10:13 |
| cityLights2 | no - I asked here | 10:13 |
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| cityLights2 | I wish I could tell icd to take over | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | ask on m-d and it should be possible to get an answer :P | 10:13 |
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| cityLights2 | maybe I should do that, in the mean while | 10:14 |
| cityLights2 | got any idea why my while is not obaied | 10:14 |
| cityLights2 | ? | 10:14 |
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| tybollt | mae | 10:20 |
| tybollt | moo | 10:20 |
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| cityLights2 | pls tell me if my script is wrong | 10:21 |
| tybollt | pls learn how to script | 10:21 |
| cityLights2 | sorry | 10:22 |
| cityLights2 | what am I doing wrong? | 10:22 |
| cityLights2 | I am trying to learn | 10:22 |
| cityLights2 | this is a real case | 10:22 |
| tybollt | haven't seen your script - can't tell you :) | 10:22 |
| cityLights2 | the script http://pastebin.com/uZ3mrqmP | 10:22 |
| cityLights2 | and this is the output: http://pastebin.com/jBE8LDBd | 10:23 |
| silverbullet | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ is down ? | 10:23 |
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| ShadowJK | So the "output" refers to a different filename than the apparent location of your script? :) | 10:25 |
| ShadowJK | hm, nevermind | 10:26 |
| ShadowJK | But anyway, we see the device exists, right before it tries to request dhcp? | 10:27 |
| cityLights2 | right | 10:27 |
| cityLights2 | issue was that dhcp request failed to work | 10:27 |
| cityLights2 | so I want to have a while loop | 10:27 |
| cityLights2 | but as you can see , the loop is not obaied | 10:28 |
| ShadowJK | The loop waits for the device to come up. It came up. It then starts the daemon. | 10:29 |
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| ShadowJK | oh you mean the second one | 10:29 |
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| cityLights2 | right | 10:30 |
| cityLights2 | it never sleeps and try again | 10:30 |
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| ShadowJK | does it work with: while ! $DAEMON $DAEMON_OPTS ; do echo sleepnow ; sleep 2 ; done | 10:34 |
| lcuk | morning maemo \o | 10:35 |
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| cityLights2 | min | 10:37 |
| cityLights2 | thanks ShadowJK ! | 10:40 |
| ShadowJK | np | 10:40 |
| cityLights2 | its diffrent then bash | 10:41 |
| cityLights2 | what is this? | 10:41 |
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| ShadowJK | My guess is the entire script terminated if any command fails? | 10:42 |
| cityLights2 | probably | 10:43 |
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| pgas | "set -e" causes this | 10:49 |
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| cityLights2 | pgas: what does set -e mean (and off I go to google it | 11:02 |
| pgas | it sets the -e option for the shell, this options cause the script to exit if a simple command exit with a non 0 status. (simple command = not after if or while or at the left of a && or a || etc...) | 11:04 |
| cityLights2 | thanks | 11:05 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:17 |
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| ptl | repository.maemo.org is down | 11:20 |
| ptl | Nokia must be preparing its server to the big update. | 11:20 |
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| ptl | ptlo: hey clone! | 11:20 |
| X-Fade | ptl: Actually, yes ;) | 11:20 |
| ptl | X-Fade: cool :D | 11:21 |
| ptlo | ptl: yo, levenshtein-neighbour! | 11:21 |
| MiXu- | Yay. I'm working for Nokia starting May 3rd :o) | 11:22 |
| ptl | Really? Congratulations! | 11:22 |
| MiXu- | Thanks :) | 11:22 |
| ptl | Hope you're well paid! | 11:22 |
| MiXu- | Well, at least better than I am now ;) | 11:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | ptl: it's been down several times during the last few weeks for longer periods of time so it doesn't have to be because of the update | 11:25 |
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| ptl | Shapeshifter: I didn't notice the downtime during the last few weeks... And I might be under the wrong impression, because yesterday they released PR1.2 for the emulated environment. | 11:26 |
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| X-Fade | ptl: We're adding more storage and the repository transfer takes a while. | 11:28 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 11:43 |
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| madduck | where does one report bugs, e.g. in claws-mail-pgp-plugins? | 11:46 |
| madduck | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 Mar 19 08:34 /opt/maemo/usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpcore.so → /opt/maemo/usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpcore.so | 11:46 |
| madduck | (recursive symlink) | 11:46 |
| Shapeshifter | madduck: the package should tell you about its bug tracker | 11:47 |
| nidO | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/claws-mail-pgp-plugins/3.7.3-1maemo4/ | 11:47 |
| madduck | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 Mar 19 08:34 /opt/maemo/usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpcore.so → /opt/maemo/usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpcore.so | 11:47 |
| nidO | no bugtracker specified though | 11:47 |
| madduck | oops | 11:47 |
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| nidO | https://garage.maemo.org/users/borealid/ < maintainer's garage account | 11:47 |
| madduck | i wish there was something like reportbug in meamo | 11:48 |
| madduck | maemo even | 11:48 |
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| nidO | that'd require every developer to use a single bugtracking interface for all of their projects though | 11:48 |
| madduck | unfortunately, Brian Jacobs has no contact info on that site | 11:48 |
| madduck | nidO: yeah, which is /good/ ;) | 11:48 |
| nidO | he has an email address there | 11:48 |
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| nidO | no its not really, testers have a hard enough time trying to get developers to use sane bugtracker links as it is, and right now the link can be *anything* that allows you to directly report a bug | 11:49 |
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| madduck | APT thinks the maintainer is | 11:50 |
| madduck | Lucas Maneos <maemo@subs.maneos.org> | 11:50 |
| nidO | hes the maintainer for claws-mail | 11:50 |
| madduck | nidO: from the user perspective, the barrier of entry seems unsurmountable | 11:51 |
| madduck | he shows up when I look at the DEB package info | 11:51 |
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| nidO | the user perspective doesnt apply to apps in -devel like claws or any of it's plugins anyway | 11:51 |
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| madduck | well, i am not the stereotypical user, but I am also not interested in investing time to find out how to contribute | 11:52 |
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| nidO | sadly its impossible to please everyone. forcing packages to have a bugtracker before they can even get into devel, let alone testing, would piss developers off, triply so if they *had* to use a bugtracker that maemo tells them to so that it can use an inbuit bug reporter | 11:53 |
| Shapeshifter | madduck: in any case that is impossible; an app like claws runs on an arbitrary number of different devices and platforms, why would the dev/packager need to use different bugtrackers for every distro/package etc? | 11:53 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm all for upstream reporting. and if it's a packaging mistake (as it seems) that's not an application bug anyway. | 11:53 |
| madduck | Shapeshifter: the bug I found is almost certainly maemo-specific; why should upstream bother? | 11:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | madduck: I just said that. | 11:54 |
| madduck | Shapeshifter: welcome to IRC where there are lags | 11:54 |
| Shapeshifter | madduck: are you suggesting there should be a bugtracker specific to packaging? that could make sense, possibly. | 11:54 |
| madduck | i still don't see an email address of brian anywhere. :( | 11:54 |
| madduck | Shapeshifter: well, I am a Debian developer, so naturally I would love to have something like debbugs that works with mail. | 11:55 |
| nidO | its in the email address field of his personal info on the garage page | 11:55 |
| madduck | and i see your point about upstream reporting, but it's too much to ask from the users; instead, it should be trivial to forward bugs upstream and track them there. | 11:55 |
| nidO | just replace " @nospam@ " with "@" | 11:55 |
| madduck | do i need to create an account to see it? | 11:55 |
| Shapeshifter | madduck: I don't know how that works. however on archlinux (which I use everywhere) you usually just mail the packager if there's a packaging mistake | 11:55 |
| nidO | erm. i thought it was publicly viewable but you might need to be logged in | 11:56 |
| madduck | Shapeshifter: and in Debian, we have a bug tracker because the maintainer is otherwise a single point of failure or a bottleneck | 11:56 |
| nidO | ah yeah you need to be logged in to view acct info | 11:56 |
| madduck | nidO: i am waiting for the conf mail, maybe you'd be inclined to msg it to me in advance? | 11:56 |
| madduck | ah, i got it already | 11:57 |
| Shapeshifter | madduck: then again, packaging is easy and sane in archlinux ;) I haven't seen many in the last few years | 11:57 |
| nidO | ah sorry, too slow by me :p | 11:57 |
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| madduck | Shapeshifter: by the rule of logic, if you see not many packaging bugs, you are not doing a lot of packaging, where packaging primarily means integration for me | 11:59 |
| madduck | anyway, no need to discuss this | 11:59 |
| madduck | nidO: thanks, got it | 11:59 |
| nidO | nice to see 3 new games hit testing last night, hopefully theyll get through qa sharpish | 11:59 |
| pupnik | whatmgames? | 12:00 |
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| nidO | tuxrace, teeworlds, and gltron# | 12:01 |
| nidO | gltron seems to have a missing dependancy though | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | nidO: mikmod? | 12:01 |
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| nidO | yeah, havent actually gotten round to installing it to see if that requirement is borking it though | 12:02 |
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| X-Fade | nidO: Promotion failed for that package, will try to fix that when the server is back. | 12:02 |
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| X-Fade | Ah actually it is back. | 12:04 |
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| Lantizia | Hey... for telepathy msn support... should I go with libpurple haze... pecan... or butterfly? I'm really confused! | 12:14 |
| tybollt | yeah | 12:14 |
| tybollt | that is fucking confusing | 12:15 |
| Lantizia | I get how Haze = libpurple for telepathy.. and pecan is an improved msn component for libpurple... and that butterfly is direct support for telepathy... so I guess butterfly since I don't need the rest which libpurple has? | 12:16 |
| Lantizia | "maybe" | 12:16 |
| * tybollt went w/ pecan | 12:16 | |
| tybollt | cause frankly the pecan guy says he's the best | 12:16 |
| Lantizia | pecan is the only one listed on the maemo site now, but the rest are still in the repo's | 12:16 |
| tybollt | pecan works well | 12:17 |
| tybollt | except one big caveat | 12:17 |
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| Lantizia | ... | 12:19 |
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| Timpa88 | Stskeeps: u there? | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | sortof | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | why? | 12:31 |
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| * hrw plays with x86 sdk | 12:34 | |
| hrw | pr 1.2 still has same annoying bugs and missing features | 12:34 |
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| hrw | dateselect widget does not show name of week | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | Timpa88: | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashhing | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 12:36 |
| infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 12:36 |
| Timpa88 | Thx! | 12:36 |
| Wolfie | hrw: that's infruriating, btw | 12:36 |
| Wolfie | s/infru/infu/ | 12:36 |
| infobot | Wolfie meant: hrw: that's infuriating, btw | 12:36 |
| hrw | thats nokia | 12:37 |
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| hrw | they work that way | 12:38 |
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| corecode_ | is it the final 1.2 | 12:39 |
| corecode_ | or a preview for 1.2 | 12:39 |
| hrw | it is sdk version | 12:39 |
| corecode_ | what i'm asking is | 12:40 |
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| corecode_ | will the final upgrade for maemo/n900 be the same, or might there be still some changes | 12:40 |
| hrw | corecode_: ask @nokia | 12:41 |
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| corecode_ | talking about telephathy; did anybody integrate group chat in conversations? | 12:41 |
| mece | I think it was mentioned in the manual. Might be mistaken. check tmo for speculations. | 12:41 |
| corecode_ | there is pymucl, but that's less streamlined | 12:42 |
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| hrw | pymucl... someone got it working at all? | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | corecode_: the nokia team afaik never finished the work on it :( | 12:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | there was a ui design for it | 12:43 |
| corecode_ | hrw: yes, works | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | and i believe there are strings for it | 12:43 |
| corecode_ | timeless_mbp: they could just put it out there | 12:43 |
| corecode_ | timeless_mbp: and see whether people will finish it | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | corecode_: pigs could just fly | 12:44 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't know why they don't | 12:44 | |
| corecode_ | what are you talking about | 12:44 |
| corecode_ | they do | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | pigs fly? | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | cool, got pics? | 12:44 |
| corecode_ | yes | 12:44 |
| corecode_ | http://radyananda.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/flyingpig.jpg | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | that's just a winged pig, i don't see it flying =b | 12:45 |
| corecode_ | http://warriorlibrarian.com/PICS/flyingpig.jpg | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | half credit | 12:45 |
| corecode_ | \o/ | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | looks more like gracefully falling to me | 12:45 |
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| corecode_ | but cute nontheless | 12:45 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 12:46 | |
| corecode_ | Quim Gil confirms it will be officially supported by Nokia: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5139#c12 | 12:46 |
| povbot | Bug 5139: Provide multi-user chat (chatroom / IRC) support again | 12:46 |
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| corecode_ | Expected to be available at some point in Fremantle. | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 12:46 |
| corecode_ | i see | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | 'expected' doesn't mean 'confirms' | 12:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | 'expected' means 'expected' | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | which is much weaker than 'confirms' | 12:47 |
| corecode_ | so i can add the gsoc idea again | 12:47 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 12:47 | |
| * timeless_mbp spent yesterday talking random mozilla gsoc applicants out of being well, random | 12:47 | |
| timeless_mbp | (in addition to being sick, which well, is my life this week) | 12:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | corecode_: so… unless conversations is likely to be open sourced | 12:48 |
| corecode_ | i stopped with gsoc | 12:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | which i wouldn't bet the ranch on | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i think it makes more sense to look at the framework provided by maemo and make a new ui | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | (open source) | 12:48 |
| corecode_ | what i noticed is that | 12:49 |
| corecode_ | if i initiate a chat | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're feeling like taking chances, you can try to recycle the nokia localization strings | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | for 1.2, in theory, the licensing should suck less | 12:49 |
| corecode_ | in pymucl, and then close it before the answer comes back | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | although, be warned that nokia did manage to break localization string contracts | 12:49 |
| corecode_ | then conversations pops up | 12:49 |
| corecode_ | and shows part of the chat | 12:49 |
| corecode_ | :) | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | which means that you'll have to be very careful about assuming that a newer (or older) version of strings is compatible | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | because they could just cause crashes instead | 12:50 |
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| corecode_ | for me that means i only need a way to join conversations (or telepathy) to a muc | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | 'muc'? | 12:50 |
| corecode_ | jabber multi user chat | 12:50 |
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| corecode_ | all i need anyhow | 12:50 |
| tybollt | all I need for chat shitz is the "nudge" command to be implemented in pecan/telepathy :) | 12:52 |
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| corecode_ | hum? | 12:54 |
| nidO | my one wish is to get *any* method of msn's multi location signin working :< | 12:54 |
| tybollt | god no, I don't want that | 12:55 |
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| tybollt | corecode_: : nudge is msn-stuff... nothing to do w/ jabber :) | 12:55 |
| tybollt | it's actually something jabber sorely lacks | 12:55 |
| nidO | yep, having an option to fuck users off that gets disabled as soon as the software's installed is always crucial ;) | 12:56 |
| tybollt | it is awesome | 12:56 |
| nidO | it's bearable these days now that the actual noise it makes is configurable in the msn client | 12:57 |
| tybollt | :) | 12:57 |
| tybollt | I just use it to ding missus whenever I need her :) | 12:57 |
| tybollt | less effort than a phonecall - really | 12:57 |
| nidO | multi location signin is the one crucial function missing from mobile messaging clients though, I cannot understand why it's so overlooked | 12:58 |
| tybollt | uhm | 12:58 |
| tybollt | thanks but no thanks | 12:58 |
| tybollt | then I'll just forget to logout of my N900 | 12:58 |
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| Sho_ | nidO: Jabber supports multi-location sign-in just fine | 12:58 |
| nidO | would that be a problem? | 12:58 |
| tybollt | if missus has the n900 to play angry birds while I chat w/ the mistress - yes | 12:59 |
| tybollt | seriously though, never found a need for multi login | 12:59 |
| nidO | personally i just like being able to transition between a conversation on the pc, on the n900, and back again with the thread of the conversation(s) still going and the history of it available on both | 13:00 |
| mortal | is it possible to use firefox on n800? | 13:00 |
| nidO | my pc's on and connected to msn 24x7 so having to kick it offline to use it from my phone is a paibn | 13:00 |
| nidO | -n* | 13:01 |
| nidO | -b** | 13:01 |
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| tybollt | nidO: I am kind of forgetfull | 13:02 |
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| tybollt | so that to me that'd likely end up w/ | 13:02 |
| tybollt | no wait nevermind :) | 13:03 |
| pupnik | is transflective without backlight possible? | 13:03 |
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| pupnik | mortal: barf-ola | 13:03 |
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| Gentooer | Hi, does anyone know if it's possible to hook my charger directly up to the battery terminals and run my n800 without a battery? | 13:05 |
| MiXu- | charger - I doubt it | 13:06 |
| MiXu- | But if you have some other power supply, I suspect you could use that. | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | it's different volatege | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | voltage* | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | and it's very easy way to blow up a phone | 13:06 |
| MiXu- | and chargers are a somehow different from regular power supplys anyway | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | MiXu-: not really | 13:07 |
| corecode_ | n900? | 13:07 |
| Gentooer | ah ok, so what voltage does it need and which terminals are +/-? | 13:07 |
| corecode_ | or n800 | 13:07 |
| Gentooer | n800 | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | Gentooer: 3.7 AFAIK | 13:07 |
| MiXu- | Use a multimeter to determine the right polarity | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | Gentooer: why are you trying to doit | 13:08 |
| jacekowski | Gentooer: it's simpler to connect charger to charger port | 13:08 |
| Gentooer | I want to try to run a mainline kernel, and there is no charging code available. | 13:08 |
| Gentooer | So I can only run it until the battery dies. | 13:08 |
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| jacekowski | leave battery in | 13:09 |
| jacekowski | and connect power supply there | 13:09 |
| jacekowski | parallel to battery | 13:09 |
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| mortal | noo | 13:09 |
| MiXu- | jacekowski: and watch the battery explode | 13:10 |
| mortal | it will explode | 13:10 |
| Gentooer | doesn't the n800 need software to charge the battery? | 13:10 |
| jacekowski | no it won't | 13:10 |
| jacekowski | if you don't exceed current and voltage | 13:10 |
| MiXu- | I wouldn't risk my device | 13:10 |
| jacekowski | it's safer with battery | 13:10 |
| MiXu- | and my life, and house ;) | 13:10 |
| jacekowski | because in worst case scenario - battery will take excessive voltage for couple seconds | 13:10 |
| Gentooer | only power supplies I have are 5v. will that just fry it? | 13:11 |
| MiXu- | I would take an old battery, strip out the contents and solder in the wiring from the psu. | 13:11 |
| jacekowski | Gentooer: yes | 13:11 |
| jacekowski | Gentooer: get a decent lab power supply with current limiting | 13:11 |
| jacekowski | something like | 13:11 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.rapidonline.com/Electrical-Power/Power-Supplies/Bench-PSUs/0-30V-Triple-output-DC-regulated-PSU/77154/kw/85-1707 | 13:12 |
| jacekowski | and a decent meter | 13:12 |
| Gentooer | won't the n800 just draw whatever current it needs? | 13:12 |
| MiXu- | yes | 13:12 |
| jacekowski | it will | 13:12 |
| jacekowski | ohms law | 13:12 |
| Gentooer | so why do i need the limiter? | 13:12 |
| jacekowski | but current limiting may save your device if shit happens | 13:13 |
| Gentooer | ah ok | 13:13 |
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| jacekowski | esspecialy that some components start draw a lot more current when you exceed their voltage even by 0.2V | 13:14 |
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| Gentooer | so the n800 won't care that the 3rd terminal isn't functional? what does it do anyway? | 13:15 |
| MiXu- | I think it's "ground" | 13:15 |
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| MiXu- | Don't know what that would actually mean in a mobile device | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | it's an indicator of battery temp | 13:16 |
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| ShadowJK | uh | 13:17 |
| ShadowJK | N800 needs software to charge battery. | 13:17 |
| ShadowJK | The software is in userspace, not in kernel. | 13:17 |
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| ShadowJK | The charger is a powersupply. It outputs about 7V. The N800 needs somewhere between 3.5 and 4.1V on the battery terminals really. | 13:17 |
| ShadowJK | You can not connect the "charger" parallell to the battery, as the "charger" is a dumb powersupply. The battery will explode. | 13:18 |
| ShadowJK | The third terminal is just a resistor :) | 13:18 |
| ShadowJK | to signal battery capcity :D | 13:18 |
| MiXu- | Ah, alright. | 13:19 |
| Gentooer | according to this page: http://elinux.org/N800 there is at least some charging code in the kernel. | 13:19 |
| Gentooer | and it hasn't been fully reversed engineered | 13:19 |
| SpeedEvil | You can make your own compatible PSU | 13:19 |
| ShadowJK | Well you need drivers to talk to retu and the other chips.. | 13:20 |
| MiXu- | Don't know if this stuff applies to N800s, but it could be worth a shot: http://www.techmantras.com/content/nokia-battery-hack | 13:20 |
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| jacekowski | 12:18 < ShadowJK> You can not connect the "charger" parallell to the battery, as the "charger" is a dumb powersupply. The battery will explode. | 13:24 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: that's why i'm saying regulated power supply with current limiting | 13:24 |
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| TomaszD | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/nokias-symbian-3-flagship-handset-leaked/ | 13:26 |
| ShadowJK | MiXu-, I'd just put a 70kOhm resistor on the BSI | 13:26 |
| ShadowJK | TomaszD, boo | 13:27 |
| ShadowJK | no qwerty, no battery door | 13:27 |
| MiXu- | that should work too | 13:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | There are cheap PSUs available on ebay | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | for the n900 | 13:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | 8 | 13:29 |
| Gentooer | SpeedEvil: do you have a link? I just see regular chargers.. | 13:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I meant chargers | 13:30 |
| * SpeedEvil is mostly asleep. | 13:30 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: too much morphin? :-P | 13:35 |
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| dang_ | hello | 13:40 |
| dang_ | can i disable html mails in the builtin email client (modest)? | 13:40 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: too much earthmoving. | 13:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nokia-n97-review-a-tale-of-two-bloggers/ | 13:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gentooer: jacekowski: you need a stabilized 4.0Volt 2A PSU to connect to the battery contacts. Any resistor probably isn't needed as it serves for charging only. see MiXu- 's URL above. looks decent | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually for N800 you'll get away with a 1A PSU easily - it has no GSM | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway a really good rock solid stabilization is elementary. Any spike beyond ~4.5V will most certainly fry your device | 13:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do NOT use a parallel battery! | 13:51 |
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| cityLights2 | how can I see the chnagelog for a pavkage update? today I see opevpn was updated | 13:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | you don't typically | 13:56 |
| timeless_mbp | why do you care? | 13:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | it won't be accurate anyway :) | 13:56 |
| cityLights2 | cause I am tring to make it work in bridging mode | 13:57 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: meh | 13:59 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: is it unusual to want to see the changelog? | 13:59 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: do you also get upset when someone wants to see the ingredients of that new cookie they bought at the supermarket? :-S | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-22 23:05:34] * SpeedEvil1 ponders painkillers. | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-22 23:05:43] <SpeedEvil1> Moved ~10 tons of soil this week | 14:00 |
| Gentooer | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the info. so why 4v and not 3.7v? | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's why I asked | 14:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: well | 14:00 |
| timeless_mbp | fact is, i want to see the ingredients | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: what on earth is he making.. a highway? | 14:00 |
| timeless_mbp | but when i go to the store, i get this list in finnish-swedish-eCrap | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gentooer: actually everything between 3.6V and 4.2V is ok | 14:01 |
| tybollt | yes | 14:01 |
| timeless_mbp | so, yes, i'm given a list, and no, it isn't remotely useful | 14:01 |
| timeless_mbp | because the information i need isn't actually available :) | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: lol, garden | 14:01 |
| Gentooer | ok thanks | 14:01 |
| timeless_mbp | i need to know if a given additive is made form animal or vegetable protiens | 14:01 |
| tybollt | E"crap" is extremely usefull (to the food scientists) | 14:01 |
| timeless_mbp | but the idiotic EU in its infinite wisdom decided to assign the same numbers to both | 14:01 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: to me as something other than a food scientist, it's useless | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gentooer: 4.0V is just a sane straight number | 14:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and would it really have hurt to give out distinct e numbers for my two cases? | 14:02 |
| timeless_mbp | it's like 20 extra numbers | 14:02 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: I'm not arguing w/ you sir | 14:02 |
| ptl | is there any way to take a photo? I've tried to navigate dbus for something but couldn't find anyway | 14:02 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 14:02 |
| timeless_mbp | my point is that "what it says on the package is absolute useless" | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: a lawn. A pond was dug some time ago, and the earth from that pond has not been cleared up. | 14:02 |
| timeless_mbp | so "why bother asking, it won't help" | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: I'm leveling it into making a larger area of lawn | 14:03 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, does your food list "eColi included at no extra charge" | 14:03 |
| timeless_mbp | it sure would be nice to know | 14:03 |
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| tybollt | "Ecrap" is well... crap... but uhm to know if it is transfats or say sunflowerseed oil is good and important info's | 14:03 |
| timeless_mbp | but gosh, they left it off the label! | 14:03 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: ecoli and such are quite rare in .fi/.se, that's south european shitz ;) | 14:04 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: i travel | 14:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll be in stockholm on friday if i'm healthy by then | 14:04 |
| timeless_mbp | but the point stands | 14:04 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, they don't list radiation levels! | 14:04 |
| timeless_mbp | now, the packages here do say "new improved" on the toilet paper | 14:05 |
| timeless_mbp | and sometimes even on the Cola or Toothpaste/Detergents | 14:05 |
| timeless_mbp | but it isn't like that means anything to me | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | Edited http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: ask SpeedEvil | 14:05 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't even tell if they're charging more for it! | 14:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | (i'm told there's price fixing in certain areas, perhaps Milk?) | 14:06 |
| ptl | SpeedEvil: is there any way to take a photo? I've tried to navigate dbus for something but couldn't find anyway | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: it's some gstreamer magic iirc | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: yeah - gstreamer - moment | 14:06 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: fwiw, my irc client just offered me an update right before i left/rejoined | 14:06 |
| timeless_mbp | it showed me the changelog in a tiny scrolling window | 14:06 |
| timeless_mbp | my eyes glazed over, and i clicked install update | 14:07 |
| timeless_mbp | it didn't even make me feel better! | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | /usr/bin/gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=1 \! video/x-raw-yuv,width=2592,height=1968 \! ffmpegcolorspace \! pngenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/test$x$y.png | 14:07 |
| timeless_mbp | (granted, i feel sick because i am sick, and it's doubtful that anything will make me feel better) | 14:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | ptl: google around that - you probably want to work out how to do it with jpg - that's the usual outptu | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah that explains quite a bit of your yesterday's mood | 14:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: moo? | 14:08 |
| RST38h | btw http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/nokias-symbian-3-flagship-handset-leaked/ | 14:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: to be fair, i'm generally grouchy, but yeah, i'm sick, have been since friday or so | 14:08 |
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| MohammadAG | wow, the device looks... ugly | 14:09 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Bad photos | 14:09 |
| * tybollt hands timeless a pink pwny - there feel better? | 14:09 | |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, back isn't the best looking | 14:09 |
| MohammadAG | looks like a fake somehow | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | anyways, it's still a rumor | 14:10 |
| RST38h | harder to fake bad photos | 14:10 |
| timeless_mbp | :( | 14:10 |
| Anssi__ | is that the new iphone? | 14:10 |
| petteri | it looks like it could run maemo :) | 14:10 |
| RST38h | BTW, the apparent name will be N8-00 | 14:11 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 14:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer | since I installed dbus-scripts, my screen dimming management is quite messed up frequently :-/ | 14:11 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, different device | 14:11 |
| RST38h | Specs seem to match | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | one time it refuses to dimm at all, another time it dims even while on charger... grrrr | 14:12 |
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| petteri | MohammadAG: did get the sb packages working with n900? | 14:12 |
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| petteri | did you :) | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG | petteri, I got a working brick | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG | (contradictory) | 14:12 |
| * MohammadAG gives DocScrutinizer 10 bucks | 14:13 | |
| * DocScrutinizer is happy his house is built of working bricks :-P | 14:13 | |
| petteri | ok, shame about the brick | 14:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer invites MohammadAG to next pub, to drown the frustration about failed upgrade and lost 10 bucks | 14:14 | |
| cityLights2 | ok, as everybody are here | 14:14 |
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| cityLights2 | guys, why doesnt udhcpc supply a IP when used with openvpn ? | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG | petteri, it worked, but I had an empty menu with no applications :p | 14:14 |
| cityLights2 | how can I debug this issue? | 14:14 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, thanks mate, don't drink though, you can have mine :) | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the pubs here have non-alcoholic drinks as well. And often they offer even digestible tea | 14:15 |
| cityLights2 | see I use the --up option in openvpn and spin this script when the connection is establish | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG | digestible, never heard of that lol | 14:16 |
| cityLights2 | http://pastebin.com/uZ3mrqmP | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, then I'll come and buy ye a drink :P | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, my english isn't that fluent, as soon as it leaves technical domain | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | it's not about your english, maybe I haven't heard of it and it exists :) | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess potable also is the wrong word | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | need to inprove my pidgin ;-P "tea not that bad" | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | potable, heard that somewhere, don't remember what it means :p | 14:18 |
| ptl | SpeedEvil: I found it | 14:18 |
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| MohammadAG | PR1.2 breaks ukeyboard, nice | 14:18 |
| ptl | sleep 10; gst-launch v4l2src ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/myphoto.jpg | 14:18 |
| ptl | I just don't know how to make gst-launch exit after taking the photo | 14:18 |
| cityLights2 | what? | 14:19 |
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| ptl | (actually the original message by qole had 'pngenc' instead of 'jpegenc' but 'pngenc' didn't work here | 14:19 |
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| cityLights2 | MohammadAG: ukeyboard hebrew keys are duplicated. how can I fix it? | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: start a line with 'sleep 10'? sounds odd | 14:19 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: ukeyboard was evil | 14:19 |
| timeless_mbp | so it shouldn't be a shock that it broke | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | cityLights2, not really sure, edit the vkb? | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, well I don't use it, someone just requested that I test it | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | didn't like how it hacked its way into the vkb | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: seems you missed -> [2010-03-23 13:07:25] <SpeedEvil> /usr/bin/gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=1 \! video/x-raw-yuv,width=2592,height=1968 \! ffmpegcolorspace \! pngenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/test$x$y.png | 14:20 |
| ptl | oh | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | but I like the old keyboard more than the PR1.2 one | 14:20 |
| ptl | sorry | 14:20 |
| ptl | lemme try it | 14:20 |
| * timeless_mbp likes the 1.2 keyboard | 14:21 | |
| timeless_mbp | (mostly) | 14:21 |
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| ptl | WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "pngenc" | 14:21 |
| ptl | same thing | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, each to their own taste :) | 14:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | to each their own, yes | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | best one imo was the PR1.0 one | 14:22 |
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| ptl | I am trying to find the proper gstreamer package for pngenc to work | 14:22 |
| cityLights2 | ppl: where is the best place to post a question when a package doesnt work? | 14:22 |
| cityLights2 | I mean openvpn | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: good idea | 14:23 |
| ptl | does anyone know which is the right gstreamer package? :( | 14:23 |
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| MohammadAG | mce: Failed to initialise D-Bus :/ | 14:23 |
| ptl | gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-doc: /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/gst-plugins-good-plugins-0.10/gst-plugins-good-plugins-pngenc.html | 14:23 |
| ptl | hmmm | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: or just replace pngenc by jpegenc and store to a *.jpg file | 14:24 |
| ptl | yes... Maybe it's better | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG | any way to bypass this mce: Cannot acquire service: Connection ":1.34" is not allowed to own the service "com.nokia.mce" due to security policies in the configuration file | 14:25 |
| ptl | photos don't need to be encoded as png anyway | 14:25 |
| ccooke | Afternoon, all | 14:25 |
| cityLights2 | nm | 14:26 |
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| MohammadAG | 199.99 USD 32GB microSDHC | 14:29 |
| MohammadAG | I'll chip 100 more and get another PS3 | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: depends on your demand for quality. jpeg is a lossy format, png isn't aiui | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, are they actually available by now, MohammadAG ? | 14:30 |
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| ShadowJK | yes, sandisk announced them this week I think | 14:30 |
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| ShadowJK | I wish someone made an SDHC card with proper controller though. | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | seen them 2 weeks ago for 120EUR, stating "available soon" | 14:31 |
| ShadowJK | s/controller/ftl/ | 14:31 |
| infobot | ShadowJK meant: I wish someone made an SDHC card with proper ftl though. | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Sandisk to start shipping 32GB microSDHC memory cards | 14:31 |
| ShadowJK | maybe sandisk has same concept of "available soon" as Nokia and N900 ;D | 14:31 |
| tybollt | there was supposed to be a sandisk announcement today | 14:32 |
| tybollt | anyone seen it? | 14:32 |
| MohammadAG | nah, should be available this week | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ftl? | 14:32 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2010/03/23/sandisk-to-start-shipping-32gb-microsdhc-memory-cards.html | 14:32 |
| ShadowJK | flash translation layer | 14:32 |
| tybollt | SanDisk Ultra® SDXC? Cards | 14:32 |
| aquat1x | eek, $199 | 14:33 |
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| MohammadAG | oh for god's sake, I need the old apt back :( | 14:34 |
| mece | what happened to your apt? | 14:35 |
| tybollt | it aptly disappeared? | 14:35 |
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| tybollt | (mind my totally AWEZOME punz) | 14:35 |
| * aquat1x doesn't mind | 14:36 | |
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| tybollt | nidO: :) | 14:37 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol! just disabled extras-devel and testing... my rootfs space went down!! (even after a reboot!) | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm actually my recent screen-dimming issue was caused by the charger-detecting foo.When I plugged the charger, N900 displayed a "battery full" notification rather than a "bat charging". It also didn't playback the swooosh sound it usually uses to notify charger plugin. In consequence the "don't dim screen while charging" option failed as well | 14:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | let's call it a bug | 14:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~lart bme and mce | 14:49 |
| * infobot gets a hotmal account and SPAMs bme and mce | 14:49 | |
| timeless_mbp | noobmonk3y: apt requires a cached copy of all available packages from each repo | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | extras-devel is huge | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | so yes, disabling the repo will by you space | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | (so does moving some of apt's stuff to the ext3 file system instead) | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | see | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | noobmonk3y: imagine you pay for data by the kb | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 14:50 |
| infobot | i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't really want to download a multi mb file repeatedly if you can avoid it | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I fixed that one. Sorry | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | plus that download would take a long time w/ bad networks | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | •Be aware that VFAT is not really a POSIX filesystem. Things like symbolic links, permission bits, and so on, will not work as nicely as they do on a real POSIX filesystem. | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | how about will not work at all? | 14:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#Disable_Extras-testing.2C_Extras-devel_and.2For_any_other_third_party_repositories | 14:53 |
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| nidO | er | 14:53 |
| nidO | I think you all need to re-read what he said | 14:53 |
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| nidO | he disabled devel and his space available went *down* | 14:54 |
| kunal_ | VDVsx, thr ? | 14:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's strange | 14:55 |
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| MohammadAG | <mece> what happened to your apt? | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG | nokia crippled it | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG | I need the 44-1 one :( | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: ping? | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG | or 51-1 | 15:00 |
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| mece | err.. | 15:00 |
| mece | how is it crippled? | 15:00 |
| Khertan | X-Fade, pong | 15:00 |
| Khertan | i m here | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Are you absolutely sure you want your packages removed? | 15:01 |
| zaheerm | ptl, gst-launch v4l2camsrc ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc snapshot=true ! filesink location=/tmp/blah.png | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | mece type apt-get install tunewiki* | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | just as an example | 15:01 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade, yes ... | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: It will be a lot of work for us, so let's make the deal that when you want that, it all ends for your there. | 15:01 |
| timeless_mbp | oh heh, oops :) | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: And you don't get to upload them anymore. | 15:01 |
| noobmonk3y | timeless_mbp: was the other way round........ disabled both repo's and lost space! | 15:02 |
| Chikulinu__ | PR1.2 for thiw eek or next week ? :) | 15:02 |
| Khertan | X-Fade, do not fear any upload ... i ll also delete garage account | 15:02 |
| * noobmonk3y prods khertan | 15:02 | |
| MohammadAG | mece: | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | Note, selecting tunewiki-applet for regex 'tunewiki*' | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | Note, selecting tunewiki-community for regex 'tunewiki*' | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | E: Couldn't find package tunewiki* | 15:02 |
| noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: lol pre-schooling me on rootfs space? | 15:02 |
| mece | huh.. weird. | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Ok, just to make sure we understand each other. | 15:02 |
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| MohammadAG | mece, and if you pick one package | 15:03 |
| mece | cant you just compile your own apt? | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | E: Handler silently failed | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | you get that ^\ | 15:03 |
| Khertan | X-Fade, but to be honest i didn't understand what require so much work to remove package from the repository | 15:03 |
| ptl | zaheerm: thanks, one more recipe :D | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | downloading the source atm | 15:03 |
| mece | :D | 15:03 |
| ptl | zaheerm: anyway pngenc is not working for me, only jpegenc | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | not sure if HAM would break | 15:03 |
| noobmonk3y | Khertan: The python build script you so lovingly helped me out with has 1 minor niggle, the version comments don't work, ok to mail you later with the example? | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Lot of things are listed in database etc. Repositories aren't really made for deletions. | 15:03 |
| Khertan | noobmonk3y, yep you'are welcome | 15:04 |
| noobmonk3y | :D :D | 15:04 |
| noobmonk3y | thank you very much, as per usual for your help :D | 15:04 |
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| MohammadAG | thought of something | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | why not compile aptitude while I'm at it | 15:06 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: You are a busy little bunny :D | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | bunny LOL | 15:06 |
| hrw | MohammadAG: long list of deps to build with their deps | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | I can see that... | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | Error: tag OUTPUT_DIRECTORY: Output directory `../build/doc/doxygen' does not exist and cannot be created meh | 15:07 |
| zaheerm | ptl, gst-launch v4l2camsrc ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! identity error-after=1 ! filesink location=/tmp/blah.jpg | 15:07 |
| hrw | X-Fade: so instead of doing "dpkg-scanpackages" + importing that to database you do reverse? | 15:07 |
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| X-Fade | hrw: There are also enties in Downloads, changelogs, package events etc, that need to be cleaned up. | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | hrw: And as this isn't used a lot, it needs to be written first ;) | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | can someone help with this http://pastebin.com/jecVptSr | 15:10 |
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| Khertan | Also who i should contact for removing the products mCalendar, mNotes, mTodos, PyGTKEditor of bugs.maemo.org or at list made it unavailable to enter new bugs report ? | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | hrw: As that takes time away from developing other critical things, I really want to make sure it is absolutely needed. | 15:11 |
| ptl | zaheerm: thanks! | 15:11 |
| zaheerm | ptl, what happens when you try the pipeline i gave you with pngenc | 15:12 |
| frals | is there any talk thread or similiar about why you are removing all these apps from extras Khertan? | 15:12 |
| noobmonk3y | Khertan: bugzilla@maemo.org | 15:12 |
| zaheerm | frals, it is in maemo-dev ml i believe | 15:12 |
| hrw | frals: maemo-dev has a threads | 15:12 |
| Khertan | thx | 15:12 |
| frals | didnt see a reason there, only saw "please remove" after reading that - or was it due to the two bugs listed in the thread? | 15:13 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo frals.... hows fmms going? - using mine fine at the mo, but prob not on an up-to-date version :D | 15:13 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, you use pypackager in your program, does that mean that its a dependency? | 15:13 |
| lcuk | or is it job done now? | 15:13 |
| Khertan | frals this is a long very long list of reason ... | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: mr. rayneesh gunapalam for mainainer? ;-P | 15:13 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk - py2deb isnt it? well a bastardized version, and no | 15:14 |
| frals | it shouldnt dep on it, its used only on packaging machine lcuk | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: file a bug in bugs.maemo for websites/bugzilla | 15:14 |
| noobmonk3y | not used within the program | 15:14 |
| noobmonk3y | just to package it | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: ? | 15:14 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: going good - not have had much time for it lately but its progressing - should get a new version out for 1.2 | 15:14 |
| frals | Khertan: do you have them posted somewhere as im curious? | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: if the packages find a new maintainer, they don't need removal, no? | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yes, that can be done. | 15:15 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh sounds good frals | 15:15 |
| Khertan | frals ... look at the irc logs .... | 15:15 |
| noobmonk3y | no more trips to finland on the horizon? hehe | 15:15 |
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| frals | Khertan: can point me to a time and date as there is v. high traffic in here at times | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | anyone? | 15:15 |
| ptl | zaheerm: it says this: WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "pngenc" | 15:16 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: not on behalf of fmms, but ;) | 15:16 |
| zap | How promotion interface for Diablo works? My package stays in extra-devel for two months, how do I push it further? | 15:17 |
| Khertan | http://maemo.org/profile/list/ <<<--- hum sorry ... deleting garage account didn't give my place to the other ... yet :) | 15:17 |
| zaheerm | ptl, install gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | zap: You just pomote. | 15:17 |
| zap | what's the button to press? | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | zap: Go to the armel version. | 15:17 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 15:17 |
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| zap | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/diablo_extras-devel_free_armel/bash/3.2-0maemo4/ | 15:18 |
| zap | here? | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | zap: Ah, you're not a maintainer. | 15:18 |
| ptl | zaheerm: I was on my way to install it when I aborted to use jpeg. I don't think 5Mp photos should be saved as png! It's lossless but it's not meant for photos. But thanks anyway! BTW, how do I get the elements and its parameters for gst-launch? | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | zap: Request to be maintainer first. | 15:18 |
| zap | um... isn't enough me to upload the package? | 15:18 |
| zaheerm | ptl, gst-inspect gives the list | 15:19 |
| zaheerm | ptl, gst-inspect <elementname> will give you properties etc. of the element | 15:19 |
| zaheerm | ptl, to learn about gstreamer, read the docs on gstreamer.freedesktop.org | 15:19 |
| zap | X-Fade: where do I make the request? | 15:19 |
| ptl | zaheerm: ok... thanks again and again :) | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | zap: Well, if you are the first. But in this case the package already exists. | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | zap: http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash/ | 15:20 |
| zap | I can rename it to bash3 | 15:20 |
| zap | the SDK bash is not suitable to be installed on tablet | 15:20 |
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| zap | X-Fade: if I rename it to bash3, I will become the maintainer? | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | zap: If you upload a new package, yes. | 15:21 |
| zap | ok | 15:21 |
| zap | thanks for clarification | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | zap: With these system packages it is a bit harder than normal. | 15:21 |
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| X-Fade | zap: As they exist in SDK too. | 15:22 |
| zap | I know. I also did the gzip and tar packages | 15:22 |
| zap | had to rename them to gnuzip and gnutar | 15:22 |
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| frals | Khertan: am I correct assuming you are creating your own repository based on http://n2.nabble.com/Can-someone-take-care-of-bugs-9494-and-9608-the-web-interface-is-on-what-rely-tester-to-thumb-down-td4758551.html#a4758551 ? | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: /usr/bin/gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=1 \! video/x-raw-yuv,width=2592,height=1968 \! ffmpegcolorspace \! jpegenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/test.jpg | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | gets a jpeg | 15:23 |
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| ptl | SpeedEvil: I saw your line, thanks. I even posted in a brazilian forum where a friend of mine asked this. | 15:24 |
| Khertan | frals : https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#search/repository/127421980f1df151 | 15:25 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | that one is for jpg | 15:25 |
| Khertan | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9458 | 15:25 |
| povbot | Bug 9458: Packages interface didn't see some packages | 15:25 |
| Khertan | look for email with subject in the ml : "External Repository and HAM" | 15:25 |
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| frals | ok ty | 15:26 |
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| ptl | SpeedEvil: Yes... I adapted it :) | 15:27 |
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| Khertan | frals, of course there is also ... stupid comments from stupid user ... rules changes ... | 15:27 |
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| Khertan | s/user/users | 15:28 |
| Khertan | all the qa process which is a fail | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | is there any way to trick version numbers? | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: apt (= 0.7.20.2maemo13+0m5) but 0.7.20.2maemo11.1+0m5 is to be installed | 15:28 |
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| Khertan | and to be honest ... i found that the situation was better with the multiple repository available | 15:29 |
| frals | ok, thanks for clarifying | 15:29 |
| Khertan | in the past ... what everyone call here the repository mess | 15:29 |
| Khertan | and i'm doing development as a hobby ... | 15:30 |
| Khertan | but it s take me more time to package, read the new rule ... re submit than coding | 15:30 |
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| valdyn | MohammadAG: if you dont care about creating a mess you can use -o dpkg::Options and dpkg --force | 15:31 |
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| valdyn | MohammadAG: thats documented in the respective manpages | 15:31 |
| ccooke | ... huh? apt on my n900 appears to have eaten itself | 15:31 |
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| MohammadAG | valdyn, I already installed the apt | 15:32 |
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| MohammadAG | ... package | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | but it conflicts with mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 15:32 |
| ccooke | (half of /var/lib/apt is missing) | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | (to be expected) | 15:32 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: i know what you installed | 15:32 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: as the error message sais this | 15:32 |
| dmj726_n900 | hi jrocha | 15:32 |
| lma | Stskeeps: got a few minutes? I've got a licencing request I'd like to talk about before submiting | 15:33 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: read the docs, im just going to say that dpkg --force-all file.deb would install it anyway | 15:33 |
| jrocha | dmj726_n900, hi | 15:33 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: its very messy however as i said and youre kind of forced to use some dpkg::Options hackery in later apt-get runs | 15:33 |
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| MohammadAG | valdyn, it's not that, apt wouldn't work anyways | 15:33 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: it would | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | but it has to be forced | 15:34 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: yes | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | <valdyn> MohammadAG: its very messy | 15:34 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: yea, exactly | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | I got the source, but I'm not sure how to up the version number | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | I doubt it checks the package integrity | 15:34 |
| ccooke | MohammadAG: are you having a problem with apt as well? | 15:34 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: extract the deb and hand-patch the depends | 15:34 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, got your FR | 15:35 |
| TomaszD | :) | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | ccooke, everyone on PR1.1.1 should have my problem | 15:35 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: or rebuild where the deb-src is available with patched depends | 15:35 |
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| ccooke | MohammadAG: which is? | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | valdyn, can't I just build a new apt deb? | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | ccooke, installing from the ovi store using apt | 15:35 |
| ccooke | ah | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | from terminal of course | 15:35 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: sure, where the source is available you can just edit the control file | 15:36 |
| ccooke | ls -l parti | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | lma: sure | 15:36 |
| ccooke | oops | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: cool, was it broken to bits? | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | valdyn, that's in the source root directory right? | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | oh wait, that's when I build the deb, not compile it | 15:36 |
| ccooke | Um... | 15:36 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: no, such things are in the debian directory | 15:36 |
| lma | Stskeeps: this is a bit of a can of worms: initfs-flasher | 15:36 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: building a deb implies compiling it | 15:37 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps, I'm currently scooping small parts from the package onto one small neat pile | 15:37 |
| TomaszD | ;) | 15:37 |
| ccooke | could someone with a working n900 give me a tarball of their /var/lib/apt ? Mine has nothing but "extended_states" and the empty "periodic" directory | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: excellent | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | lma: reasoning? | 15:37 |
| lma | Stskeeps: The context is Diablo SSU, when shipping an updated kernel we need to update the modules in initfs as well | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | normally you don't need to | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | as the kernel version is same | 15:38 |
| valdyn | ccooke: reflashing probably makes more sense | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG | valdyn, I'm assuming this is the version number Standards-Version: 3.8.0 | 15:40 |
| ccooke | valdyn: yeah, but I'd like to work out what went wrong :-) | 15:40 |
| lma | Stskeeps: sure, but it's a bit "dirty" keeping the old ones and there may be configuration options that break things | 15:41 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: thats the Standards-Version, not the package version | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 15:41 |
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| valdyn | MohammadAG: did you find the control file or control.in file? | 15:41 |
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| MohammadAG | control yes | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/sgG5T2SJ | 15:42 |
| dmj726_n900 | jrocha: I'm not sure I quite understand how your program picks between image and text. | 15:42 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps, god damn dissasembly is heart-wrenching | 15:43 |
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| jrocha | dmj726_n900, it does it by analyzing the results from the ocr engines | 15:43 |
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| lma | Stskeeps: plus there are a couple of patches in the queue that apply to initfs modules (cx3110 & g_ether) | 15:43 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: read the changelog | 15:43 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: i gave you some wrong info =/, version is in the changelog | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | lol kk | 15:44 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: i used to hack nvidia packages like this, but thats a while ago, so it can work anyway | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | lma: arh :P | 15:44 |
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| dmj726_n900 | so it sends the whole thing to the ocr engine, then looks for good data? | 15:44 |
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| Stskeeps | lma: see if there's a way to do it without rewriting initfs | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: worse than n900, yes | 15:45 |
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| valdyn | MohammadAG: in the rules file you would see dpkg-parsechangelog grabbing the version | 15:45 |
| hrw | TomaszD: FR dissasemble? | 15:45 |
| TomaszD | yeah, already done though | 15:46 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: or thats how it is on debian, im not actually seeing what/if nokia changed this at all | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | lma: it's a PITA to distribute initfs images legally :/ | 15:46 |
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| hrw | TomaszD: what is so hard with it? one torx screwdriver (was included with neo1973), guitar pick (same) and you go | 15:46 |
| hrw | few minutes work | 15:46 |
| jrocha | dmj726_n900, yes, kinda like that | 15:47 |
| TomaszD | it's not hard, I just wasn't familiar of how much force I had to apply | 15:47 |
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| lma | Stskeeps: ACK, I'll fall back to messing about with remounting it rw, copying modules and rebooting then :-( | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | lma: diablo allows that anyway | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | hrw, and the fact that you're disassembling 600 bucks :p | 15:47 |
| TomaszD | nah, it's the FR | 15:48 |
| TomaszD | not the n900 | 15:48 |
| TomaszD | "only" 260 - 275 EUR | 15:48 |
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| dmj726_n900 | how do you compensate for shadowy/gradeient backgrounds? | 15:49 |
| lma | Stskeeps: that's all, thanks | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | Yipeee it works!! | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | now to uninstall HAM | 15:49 |
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| MohammadAG | actually nvm, don't want mp-fremantle-generic-pr to cause probs | 15:50 |
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| dmj726_n900 | or perhaps that hasn't been a cons | 15:51 |
| hrw | TomaszD: ah | 15:51 |
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| hrw | MohammadAG: I paid 250€ for n900 | 15:51 |
| tybollt | huh? | 15:51 |
| tybollt | wtf? | 15:51 |
| dmj726_n900 | cern as of yet. | 15:51 |
| tybollt | no you did not hrw | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | hrw, and you missed the point of what I said :) | 15:52 |
| hrw | MohammadAG: and customs for neo1973 | 15:52 |
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| hrw | MohammadAG: yeb | 15:52 |
| Khertan | http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/ | 15:52 |
| Khertan | oups ww | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, I'm assuming you're porting Android to the N900 | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | along with the closed sources :P | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | (jk) | 15:53 |
| TomaszD | well, the freerunner is hopefully fixed, now how do I bootstrap the battery... | 15:54 |
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| Stskeeps | can always try to plug in the usb charger.. | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:55 |
| hrw | TomaszD: plug battery, usb cable and pray | 15:55 |
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| dmj726_n900 | jrocha: I'm guessing you don't do much preprocessing of the image to help the ocr engine? | 15:55 |
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| hrw | s/pray/leave for some time | 15:55 |
| TomaszD | yeah, I'll try assembling it first without breaking it | 15:55 |
| jrocha | dmj726_n900, I pass it to grayscale and also give the option of using unpaper | 15:56 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG, no ... just trying to see if i can port pygtkeditor to Android | 15:57 |
| hrw | TomaszD: http://allegro.pl/item955997926_ladowarka_biurkowa_nokia_3100_do_baterii_bl_5c.html is great for neo batteries | 15:57 |
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| TomaszD | hrw, thx | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | but you can't charge them in there, can you? | 15:57 |
| hrw | TomaszD: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2007/04/18/3rdparty-chargers-for-neo1973/ | 15:57 |
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| hrw | Stskeeps: I did | 15:58 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: many times | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:58 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: my first neo was neo1973bv3 which had problems with battery - it sucked power even powered off | 15:58 |
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| tybollt | hrw: heh I hear som acer aspire one does that too | 15:59 |
| hrw | tybollt: some laptops have powered usb host ports all the time | 15:59 |
| dmj726_n900 | unpaper...nice to know about. | 16:00 |
| tybollt | hrw: this fucker emptied a completely charged batt in <24h (powered off) | 16:00 |
| tybollt | hrw: all defaults in bios | 16:00 |
| tybollt | hrw switch mobo, it could go for atleast a week | 16:01 |
| hrw | argh | 16:02 |
| tybollt | but bck to your pricing on n900 | 16:02 |
| tybollt | EUR 250 is way way W A Y too low | 16:02 |
| tybollt | did you point a gun to salesman to get the phone this cheap? :) | 16:02 |
| hrw | tybollt: DDP | 16:02 |
| hrw | magic word | 16:03 |
| hrw | or rather magic acronym | 16:03 |
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| TomaszD | hrw, my prayers were unanswered | 16:03 |
| TomaszD | no reaction | 16:03 |
| tybollt | DDP? | 16:03 |
| hrw | tybollt: Developer Device Program | 16:03 |
| tybollt | hrw: I hate you :) | 16:03 |
| tybollt | ;) | 16:03 |
| hrw | TomaszD: leave it for at least half hour | 16:03 |
| TomaszD | hrw, ok, should there be anything on the screen displayed? | 16:04 |
| hrw | TomaszD: no | 16:04 |
| tybollt | hrw: Anyway - well deserved, hope you have fun w/ it. | 16:04 |
| TomaszD | ok | 16:04 |
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| hrw | TomaszD: first it charge battery to be able to boot into bootloader which should check for power level and decide to boot or to charge only still | 16:05 |
| hrw | TomaszD: sth like that, long time since last use | 16:05 |
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| hrw | I got neo1973 ~3 years ago | 16:05 |
| Arif_ | ohai.. | 16:05 |
| Anssi__ | yeah, it was nice device. | 16:06 |
| TomaszD | well, I did this trick with the aux button http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_%28GTA02%29_Battery#What_to_do_if_your_battery_has_become_completely_discharged | 16:08 |
| TomaszD | and it's sitting there, hopefully charging up | 16:08 |
| hrw | openmoko wiki is usually good quality | 16:09 |
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| ptl | openmoko was a very idealistic project, too bad it wasn't powerful enough, but it created a good legacy. | 16:11 |
| ptl | (ok, call me captn. obvious) | 16:11 |
| tybollt | HELLO THAR CAP'N OBVIOUS!111 | 16:12 |
| tybollt | oh wait | 16:12 |
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| tybollt | I usually hear quite intense cursing from my friend when I mention the Neo and its GPS-unit in particular - it was somewhat lacking, no? | 16:13 |
| tybollt | (from my friend, that is :) | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | neo has a binary blob as the GPS driver. | 16:14 |
| hrw | ~curse tlenofon SIP operator | 16:14 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tlenofon SIP operator ! | 16:14 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: Took a long time to get a fix, no? | 16:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I started (with others) to reverse engineer it - but the project stalled when the GPS was changed | 16:14 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: not that bad IIRC actually | 16:14 |
| tybollt | :-/ | 16:14 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: usually better than the n900 worst-case :) | 16:14 |
| hrw | SpeedEvil: only neo1973 had binary blob | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | hrw: I know | 16:16 |
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| tybollt | SpeedEvil: huh? back when I read the previews of the device it was touted as an amazingly quick fixer - order of magnitude better than the rest... | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: ? | 16:19 |
| tybollt | granted I've not used it on my N900 yet >:) | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: It depends. | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: I've had worst-case fix times of over 10 minutes. | 16:19 |
| tybollt | oi caramba | 16:19 |
| tybollt | what the hell | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: network positioning off, no SIM, outside with a good view of the sky | 16:19 |
| tybollt | were the previewers lieing? :S | 16:19 |
| tybollt | hmm ja | 16:20 |
| tybollt | well that is diff I guess :) | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's got network access, or it's been used quite recently, it's got decent lock time | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: perhaps. It's not unlike what happens if you run out of battery and charge it in a foreign country, where you haven't got a valid SIM | 16:20 |
| Arif_ | I usually get <10 sec with network | 16:20 |
| tybollt | for varying definitions of decent? :) | 16:20 |
| Arif_ | ={ | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes - I just tried it and got 20s till I got a sat position. | 16:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | And I used it yesterday | 16:22 |
| Khertan | took 30s without network in amsterdam ... | 16:22 |
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| Khertan | took an average of 10min with 3G network in france | 16:22 |
| Khertan | in paris | 16:22 |
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| tybollt | yes | 16:23 |
| Khertan | but i think this is depends due to the height of the building around you | 16:23 |
| tybollt | even the GPS satellites are grumpy and rude in france :-| | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Or ~4 seconds after 1 min of disuse | 16:23 |
| Arif_ | heh | 16:24 |
| Arif_ | even the satellites don't like France apparently | 16:24 |
| Anssi__ | maybe those need own gps dialect ;) | 16:24 |
| Khertan | but ... an other counter example, is average 5 min in my car outside of Paris (with network 3G coverage) where tomtom take 10min due to my car glass | 16:24 |
| tybollt | what? | 16:24 |
| tybollt | car glass? | 16:24 |
| tybollt | huh | 16:25 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:25 |
| Arif_ | maybe 3G in France sucks? | 16:25 |
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| lovelyboy | hi, all. Could anyone teach me how to read the video frame from pipeline created by gstreamer to the IplImage of opencv in a loop? | 16:25 |
| Khertan | Arif you can remove maybe :) | 16:25 |
| nidO | and the 3g | 16:25 |
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| nidO | and in | 16:25 |
| Khertan | tybollt, athermal windscreen ... is it the correct traduction ? | 16:26 |
| tybollt | Khertan: no I mean what the hell do you have in it - lotsa lead? :) | 16:26 |
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| tybollt | since it blocks you signal | 16:26 |
| Khertan | yep ... it blocks a few signal | 16:27 |
| timeless_mbp | hey, has anyone here changed their location server from nokia's to supl.google.com? | 16:27 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, hum ... thx for the tips ... but sfr block it | 16:27 |
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| Khertan | (and block also the nokia one) | 16:27 |
| Khertan | you can only use the sfr one :) | 16:27 |
| Arif_ | nidO, that was my thought exactly...:P | 16:27 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: no, will it work? | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | does anyone know how many GBs the repos hold? | 16:27 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: i'm reading the engadget review from january 19 | 16:28 |
| timeless_mbp | someone claims it will | 16:28 |
| timeless_mbp | i've never tried | 16:28 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Which ones? | 16:28 |
| Arif_ | Nokia can find me just fine | 16:28 |
| timeless_mbp | won't someone else test for me? :) | 16:28 |
| Arif_ | no need to change it :P | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, all (extras, extras-testing, and -devel) | 16:28 |
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| Khertan | whois nid0 | 16:28 |
| Khertan | lol | 16:28 |
| Khertan | failed | 16:28 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: i have numbers from a mirror | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | not me. | 16:28 |
| Arif_ | haha | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | big time :P | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, the freemoe one? | 16:29 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: 81GB | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | exactly what I need :) | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, WHAT? | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | you sure there aren't missing decimals or something? | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: No, I'm sure. We had to add another 200GB today to keep up with the growth. | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | 1.9G /var/www/repository.maemo.org/extras | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | 36G /var/www/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | 5.4G /var/www/repository.maemo.org/extras-testing | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | 4.0G /var/www/repository.maemo.org/pool | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure how accurate/current those numbers are | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | and keep in mind that it doesn't mirror non-free | 16:30 |
| Arif_ | lets all put our forces together and get it to 1TB! | 16:30 |
| MohammadAG | 47.3GB | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | wait, so non-free holds about 33.7? | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | No, I was counting all 'trash' too. | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | trash? | 16:32 |
| X-Fade | trash being removed binaries. | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, thanks a heap mate :) | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | thank the host | 16:32 |
| * timeless_mbp is just a client | 16:32 | |
| MohammadAG | thanks Jebba! | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | oh, he's not online | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | logs are forever | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | expected less than 10GB, guess I was wrong :) | 16:34 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, may I ask where the serves are? | 16:34 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Depends on where you are. | 16:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | "in the cloud" | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, so you have more than 1 place for the servers? | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | last i checked they were akamai mirrored | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | (i.e mirrors?) | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Hundreds | 16:35 |
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| MohammadAG | thought there was only 1 in Finland | 16:35 |
| * timeless_mbp isn't even sure that akamai discloses location info | 16:35 | |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: There is of course one origin. | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: masters != slaves | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, and that's in? | 16:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | the location of our master n900 is a secret! | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: .fi | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, true, but when the master crashes they all do :) | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | we wouldn't want someone to steal it ;-) | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: That is not true. | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: They cache. | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | err | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | so why do the repos go down? | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | the master tends to go to a bad state instead of truly down | 16:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | mirroring a bad state is easy | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: They don't. They are just slow because there is a 20 second failover. | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and not wrong | 16:37 |
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| MohammadAG | I don't get this | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | when the repos are down | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | why do all users experience the problem? | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: And if you are far away, you will see 2 20 sec delays as you are connecting to an edge server. | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Could you update in AM this morning? | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | not really sure, today's the only day I didn't do an apt-get update | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: The only thing that doesn't work is browsing the repo, when the origin is down. | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: But you can request all files. | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | and I'm assuming the reference ticket things are when the origin is down(?) | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | Or the mirror is having problems, or the export control acts up. | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | but if a mirror is down, shouldn't another one kick in? | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Down != having a problem ;) | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | I see... | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: typically if an akamai mirror is actually down | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | akamai would take it out of their loop | 16:42 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, well one more question, is there a mirror in IL? | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but if a mirror caches bad data, it isn't "down" | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | it's just "unhappy" | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Do a traceroute :) | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: again, i doubt akamai publishes their list of locations | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | they're competing w/ a couple of other cloud servers | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | \services | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | London | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | and giving your competitors a map saying "you should do blah" | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | isn't a good idea | 16:43 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/index.html | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | 61,000 servers in 1,000 networks across 70 countries | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: again, i doubt akamai publishes their list of locations | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | guess you're right about that | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, thanks :) | 16:46 |
| tybollt | is there a good yukon game for the 900? | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | yukon=solitaire (variant)? | 16:47 |
| tybollt | ja | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/visualizing_akamai.html | 16:47 |
| tybollt | yukon is "sjuan" in swedish I believe... | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | actually seems to let you look at some things | 16:47 |
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| tybollt | !solitaire games in the repos :( | 16:49 |
| * tybollt blames tim | 16:49 | |
| tybollt | Tim E. | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/dataviz2.html is cool | 16:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | aisleriot? | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: you could try building that | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:w40a8D6u-ikJ:ring.nict.go.jp/archives/X/gnome/sources/gnome-games/2.28/gnome-games-2.28.2.news+aisleriot+n900&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=safari | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | looks like someone was working on making it work | 16:51 |
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| nidO | fwiw, akamai's uk presence seems to mostly be on a couple of networks in telehouse north | 16:53 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: ouch, you HAD challenge me to put my money where my mouth is, huh? :) | 16:55 |
| tybollt | ok I'll have a looksie the | 16:56 |
| tybollt | n | 16:56 |
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| MohammadAG | umm | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | how do I start mce in the SDK? | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | you really shouldn't :P | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | and why's that :) | 17:03 |
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| MohammadAG | gah | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | mce: Failed to open connection to message bus; Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | mce: Failed to initialise D-Bus | 17:04 |
| andrewfblack_ | Installed lighttpd and php on my n900 worked fine rebooted and now it doens't does the server need to be restarted everytime I restart device? | 17:05 |
| ccooke | andrewfblack_: yeah, it doesn't get configured to start on bootup at install | 17:06 |
| tybollt | hmm andrew aren't we sposed to be grilling you? :) | 17:06 |
| timeless_mbp | ccooke: clever | 17:06 |
| ccooke | timeless_mbp: well, it *is* a tablet :-) | 17:06 |
| andrewfblack_ | ccooke: found command to start the lighttpd server any idea for php? | 17:07 |
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| ccooke | andrewfblack_: php shouldn't need a command. it'll either be accessed via CGI (so you use external php binaries) or started with lighttpd | 17:08 |
| andrewfblack_ | ccooke: ok not sure why its not working today then. | 17:08 |
| nidO | whats happening when you try to call a php file with lighttpd started | 17:09 |
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| andrewfblack_ | nidO: proxy server refused connection | 17:10 |
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| nidO | does php -v at command line output anything? will verify whether it's setup as cli and running, or cgi | 17:11 |
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| VDVsx | shouldn't the voting for the council start today ? 0.o | 17:14 |
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| MohammadAG | VDVsx, council? | 17:17 |
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| VDVsx | MohammadAG, yes, Maemo community /council | 17:18 |
| VDVsx | without that stupid slash :p | 17:18 |
| Arif_ | who can we vote for? | 17:19 |
| * MohammadAG votes for infobot | 17:19 | |
| nidO | there're 10 ppl standing afaik | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | seriously though, where does it start? | 17:19 |
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| VDVsx | MohammadAG, should be today or tomorrow, can't remember the exact date | 17:21 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Ping? | 17:22 |
| VDVsx | you will receive instructions by email if you're eligible to vote | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | dneary: doing last checks. | 17:22 |
| dneary | VDVsx, The mails were supposed to go out last night, but I ran the script on a mail with no mail server configured | 17:22 |
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| dneary | X-Fade, Thanks | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | March 23 | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | that's today | 17:22 |
| dneary | VDVsx, When X-Fade says he's done, then the mail will all go out :) | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: So plenty of time still ;) | 17:23 |
| dneary | MohammadAG, Yes | 17:23 |
| VDVsx | dneary, ah, ok, np :) | 17:23 |
| VDVsx | we've a lot of time | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, technically, yep, 'today' never ends :) | 17:23 |
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| n] | hello | 17:25 |
| n] | i'm having problem with my n900. | 17:25 |
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| n] | i have no ip addr on my usb0 | 17:26 |
| n] | ( ifconfig usb0 ) | 17:26 |
| satmd | can someone point me at instructions for setting up n900 with syncml-obex-client? | 17:26 |
| n] | is there any sample of the file /etc/network/interfaces ? ( just to be sure everything is ok ) | 17:26 |
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| n] | is it normal that on my /etc/network/interfaces file i have a place for bne0 configuration ? | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | on a n900? I don't have that | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | some package (e.g. pc-connectivity) could have added it | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | n]: bluetooth dun? | 17:35 |
| n] | because i got an error with ifup usb0 | 17:35 |
| n] | ifup: misplaced option "nface" | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | n], pastebin your whole /etc/network/interfaces | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | looks like a syntax error? | 17:35 |
| n] | yeah | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | it should be iface, not nface | 17:35 |
| n] | how can i paste it? i m on a laptop | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | ssh | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | ssh rules | 17:36 |
| n] | ^ | 17:36 |
| n] | ^^ | 17:36 |
| nomis | When using FM Radio and trying to use the internal speakers, the volume slider keeps sliding back to zero. Anyone have an idea what the problem is? | 17:36 |
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| mgedmin | nomis, headphone daemon? or what was the name of that package that sets volume to 0 when it detects that you have unplugged your headphones | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | maybe the detection code is buggy | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | and it checks whether the N900 is using the internal speaker instead of checking the headphone port | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | mgedmin, it pauses the track using a dbus signal, doesn't touch the volume | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | it's a 3rd-party package that you may have installed; if not, then it's something else | 17:37 |
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| nomis | mgedmin: Mhm, I don't think I ever heard of that one, I certainly did not install it. | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | headphoned | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | and I'm apparently wrong about its working mode | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | just a guess | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | fm-radio is buggy | 17:37 |
| alturiak | doesn't FM Radio need the headphones as antenna? | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | saved 10 channels, only to find them deleted next time I opened | 17:38 |
| * tybollt shall introduce PALMFACEd, for all RST38h pleasures | 17:38 | |
| nomis | alturiak: yes. | 17:38 |
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| MohammadAG | alturiak, yes, and it needs bluetooth for the radio chip | 17:38 |
| tybollt | the successor will be FACEDESKd | 17:38 |
| * noobmonk3y blinks | 17:38 | |
| noobmonk3y | meh effin ovi suite crashes on load :( | 17:39 |
| noobmonk3y | anyone got blackberry connect working on an E71? :) | 17:39 |
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| alturiak | oh, it can switch to speakers. well. working for me despite having the headphone thingie running, but I'm using the version from -testing | 17:41 |
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| n] | /usr/lib/avahi/avahi-daemon-check-dns.sh: line 143: diff: not found | 17:41 |
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| n] | with ifup usb0 | 17:41 |
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| TomaszD | DocScrutinizer, Stskeeps http://picasaweb.google.com/dominikowski/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCNyqhN_S7vXHfw | 17:43 |
| TomaszD | openmoko hates me | 17:43 |
| TomaszD | doesn't want to bootstrap | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | mm, using the usb charger? | 17:44 |
| TomaszD | yes, and all the tricks with aux button, no aux button, battery in, out, etc | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | had same issue when in spain | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | and they're wondering why open hardware doesn't succeed | 17:46 |
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| * tybollt looks around | 17:46 | |
| tybollt | 'tis still #maemo - non? | 17:46 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, but everything worked fine until you tore the receptacle off , no? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: didn't turn it on for several months | 17:46 |
| TomaszD | k | 17:47 |
| * noobmonk3y blinks | 17:47 | |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, may I ask if the browser has buttons in portrait mode? Or is it the same but with a settings option? | 17:49 |
| timeless_mbp | you get 3 buttons in portrait mode in 1.2 | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | back, exit full screen and bookmarks? | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | (guessed btw) | 17:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | you're right on two of them | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | do you want to play mastermind? | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | why not :P | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | stop button | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | pssst.. middle position ;) | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | 2 blacks | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | (for your first round) | 17:51 |
| timeless_mbp | black = right item, right place | 17:51 |
| timeless_mbp | white = right item, wrong place | 17:51 |
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| n] | i have a crutial question :D | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | back, stop and bookmarks | 17:52 |
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| n] | i want to develop python Qt application for the n900. | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, ^? | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | 2 blacks | 17:52 |
| ptl | qt creator + MADDE | 17:52 |
| n] | i have the Virtual Image from maemo | 17:52 |
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| MohammadAG | ok, then it's back, something, bookmarks | 17:52 |
| n] | is it possible to develop on ubuntu and test the rendering on my n900 ? | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | 2 blacks | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | this is torture lol | 17:52 |
| ptl | http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE | 17:52 |
| ptl | yes | 17:53 |
| ptl | first install Maemo 5 SDK | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | back, add bookmark, bookmarks | 17:53 |
| ptl | then install qt creator + MADDE | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, ^ | 17:53 |
| * tybollt can totally see timeless going MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA in a very diabolical manner. | 17:53 | |
| timeless_mbp | 3 blacks | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | I WIN! | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 17:53 |
| n] | ok ptl | 17:53 |
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| MohammadAG | thanks timeless_mbp :) | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Not bad. | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it was much more fun this way :) | 17:53 |
| * timeless_mbp is really smiling (through the headache) | 17:54 | |
| ptl | n]: get the maemo 5 sdk here: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html | 17:54 |
| tybollt | =) | 17:54 |
| ptl | first option | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, same heh | 17:54 |
| petteri | hopefully reddit.com will work with the updated browser :) | 17:54 |
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| ptl | n]: it runs on ubuntu | 17:54 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, thanks ;) | 17:54 |
| tybollt | petteri: why is redneck.com important? | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | petteri: you're still using some strange third party application? | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, hope you get well soon :) | 17:54 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't get it | 17:54 | |
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| tybollt | aaaaaw | 17:55 |
| petteri | what? | 17:55 |
| petteri | why the hate :) | 17:55 |
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| tybollt | hate? | 17:56 |
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| petteri | yes, about my favorite website :)(: | 17:56 |
| tybollt | We don't deal in hate in here, we hand out pink pwnies to everone | 17:56 |
| tybollt | petteri: matter of taste, I disslike it :) | 17:56 |
| petteri | hmm... maybe I will try if it works on updated scratcbox | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, mind if I say it on the 1.2 thread? I'm getting some PMs about it | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | if not, I'll stay shut :) | 17:58 |
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| MohammadAG | * tybollt can totally see timeless going MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA in a very diabolical manner. LOL Just saw this | 17:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | who's using jira and why? | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: dunno | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not an official spokesperson | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | it's probably best not to mention it | 18:01 |
| timeless_mbp | if people want to figure it out, let them do their own research | 18:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | as far as i'm concerned, anything konttori approves, you should be free to say :) | 18:01 |
| italodance | hey guys | 18:01 |
| italodance | PR1.2 new os is fake? | 18:01 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: huh? you use jira what it is for and thati s why | 18:02 |
| italodance | http://www.nokian900applications.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/pr12_n900.png | 18:02 |
| italodance | ?? | 18:02 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: that's like asking "why are you eating a hamburger" | 18:02 |
| italodance | reply plz | 18:02 |
| b0unc3 | hey guys, someone know if there is any way to get the statusbar popup menu appearing from a command line ? ( or with a some lines of code ) | 18:02 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: anyway yes I use jira, although mostly its brother confluence. | 18:03 |
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| tybollt | oh and as an admin - I totally hate it :) | 18:03 |
| Erald | hi | 18:03 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 18:04 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: why do you use it? :P | 18:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i generally don't | 18:06 |
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| MohammadAG | what package is "ls" part of | 18:07 |
| tybollt | oh ... busybox? :P | 18:08 |
| zash | MohammadAG: dpkg -S `which ls` | 18:08 |
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| italodance | hey | 18:10 |
| italodance | reply plz | 18:10 |
| timeless_mbp | http://storyofstuff.org/bottledwater/ | 18:10 |
| italodance | new os PR1.2 is fake? | 18:10 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders about the odds of nokia supporting that... | 18:10 | |
| * italodance slaps |R around a bit with a large trout | 18:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | italodance: i'm pretty sure we've announced that a 1.2 will happen | 18:10 |
| w00t_ | lol. | 18:10 |
| petteri | italodance: you just have to wait and see | 18:10 |
| italodance | timeless_mbp tnx so it's real? | 18:11 |
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| italodance | petteri i knew and was an old member here from 2007 | 18:11 |
| italodance | but missed my n800 | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | 1.2 will exist | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | its contents … dunno | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | some of the things in the url you listed seem correct | 18:12 |
| italodance | this: http://www.nokian900applications.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/pr12_n900.png | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't know about some of them | 18:12 |
| italodance | ok | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | but asking repeatedly is incredibly annoying | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | don't ever do that again | 18:12 |
| italodance | ok | 18:13 |
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| MohammadAG | italodance, PR1.2 is real, changes found in the SDK are on talk.maemo.org | 18:13 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: nokia supporting bottled water? | 18:14 |
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| * tybollt wants some of that stuff Tim E. is smoking, myst be primo stuff... | 18:14 | |
| tybollt | must, too | 18:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | finland doesn't believe in water fountains | 18:15 |
| timeless_mbp | most finns probably wouldn't even recognize or understand how or why to operate one | 18:15 |
| tybollt | they don't exist in .se either | 18:16 |
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| tybollt | there are however these silly "water coolers" in some places but mostly tap water all around | 18:16 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, is water fountain thing that shoots water upwards in an arc on request? | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 18:19 |
| zaheerm | those are cool | 18:19 |
| ShadowJK | I grew up in finland and we had them in school :) | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | really? | 18:19 |
| zaheerm | we have them at the golf course | 18:19 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | in the states, you can find them in offices too | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i haven't seen them in many offices in HEL | 18:20 |
| ShadowJK | I've only ever seen them in elementary/highschool settings though | 18:20 |
| zaheerm | they don't suit offices really | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | you stick them next to the toilets... | 18:20 |
| zaheerm | given the ease of making the floor wet | 18:20 |
| nidO | offices generally just go for water coolers here rather than fountains | 18:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | we don't have coolers either | 18:21 |
| ShadowJK | At work there's a faucet with a cup dispenser next to it :-) | 18:21 |
| ShadowJK | Some people use it as inverted fountain and stick their head under it to drink | 18:21 |
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| ShadowJK | That'd make a great picture "Rest of the world vs finland" :-) | 18:21 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | I want something cool to do with n900 | 18:23 |
| nidO | install phototranslate and go wild | 18:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | C-S-B-N900: Create a voice-text app. | 18:25 |
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| lcuk | C-S-B-N900, attach multiple n900s to a coat and use cameras on opposite sides to show images through and have an invisibility cloak | 18:25 |
| nidO | I have to admit espeak + ssh + unsuspecting girlfriend is by far the most fun i've had with mine | 18:25 |
| C-S-B-N900 | photo translate? | 18:25 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ive done ssh and espeak. | 18:26 |
| timeless_mbp | nidO: i'm still surprised she kept you ;-) | 18:26 |
| nidO | phototranslate's an app in -devel, camera + OCR + google translate api | 18:26 |
| nidO | can take photos of stuff and get it translated into a multitude of languages | 18:26 |
| nidO | damn handy for holidays. | 18:26 |
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| TomaszD | hahaha | 18:27 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, works | 18:27 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ive also have you done ss-x running cheese to spy on people with the laptop webcam | 18:27 |
| C-S-B-N900 | photo translates ocr, any good? | 18:27 |
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| red | nidO: does that require a connection? | 18:28 |
| red | guess it does | 18:28 |
| nidO | I only very briefly used it and its a very early release so has some nonworking stuff, but it's looking pretty awesome already | 18:28 |
| red | or can you DL the translation languages? | 18:28 |
| red | cause if I take the N900 abroad i wont let it connect to anything but wifi | 18:28 |
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| red | and even at that gotta watch out for man in the middle attacks | 18:29 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps, you don't want to know what the initial problem was :P | 18:29 |
| nidO | atm the app uses tesseract to handle the ocr but google translate for translations so you do need a net connection to handle the actual translation of stuff | 18:29 |
| nidO | I guess if the tesseract language packs are there already a local translation should be implementable, though it'd be much worse than google translate | 18:30 |
| GAN900 | Ugh, the new vkb looks completely unusable | 18:31 |
| C-S-B-N900 | still its a good point about the roaming costs | 18:31 |
| trip0 | there's a new vkb? | 18:31 |
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| GAN900 | Ring up another one for Nokia's incompetence. | 18:31 |
| X-Fade | Council voting mails should be going out now. | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: ? | 18:32 |
| nidO | C-S-B-N900: yeah definitely, personally the optimal setup for that app would be a choice between a rough local translate or a better ota one using google | 18:32 |
| nidO | so that you can choose between cheap or accurate when roaming | 18:32 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | still, its novel. | 18:33 |
| C-S-B-N900 | Does anyone else have lust for neopwn? do you think theyve hacked the wlan0 driver or usb host? | 18:34 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, I mistook the power button for the aux button | 18:34 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | anyone know of a realease date for it? | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | no | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | (at least I don't) | 18:35 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, the software on this thing is absolutely atrocious lol | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/i%20do%20not%20own%20a%20vehicle.png | 18:36 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 18:36 | |
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| nidO | thats a well-designed form then. | 18:36 |
| alturiak | speaking of roaming, I do have a question about 3g-usage: despite being set to "Data Roaming: Always allow", my N900 pops up a list of usable wifis and the 3g-connection when I'm out of reach of my usual wifis. Shouldn't it select 3g automatically when set to "always allow"? | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, what vehicle do you own? | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 18:37 |
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| nidO | alturiak - have you got "connect automatically" set to "any connection" in internet connection settings? | 18:38 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: a 2009 'i do not own a vehicle, i do not own a vehicle, i do not own a vehicle' | 18:38 |
| derf | GAN900: Didn't you get enough misery the first time around? | 18:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ps, they rejected me from the survey pool | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, what radio system does it have? | 18:39 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL | 18:39 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: ghetto drop down? :) | 18:39 |
| alturiak | nidO: christ. no, I didn't. thanks a lot. I'm still getting confused over the two places for these settings. | 18:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4457762388/ | 18:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | eats! | 18:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Woo! I'm eligable to vote in the election! Bribes by PM please. | 18:48 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:48 |
| nidO | no mail for me yet /wrists | 18:48 |
| * SpeedEvil should probably read stuff about it I guess. | 18:48 | |
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| SudhirMathane | Hi, how can I find if I am using sb PR 1 or PR 2 for fremantle target. I have installed sbox on my machine, but not aware of version. | 18:49 |
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| GAN900 | derf, apparently I'm a sucker for punishment? | 18:50 |
| toggles_w | who wants to buy my vote for the council? | 18:51 |
| GAN900 | Gotta love it when people rip of other people's work wholesale | 18:51 |
| toggles_w | ;-) | 18:51 |
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| GAN900 | www.maemo-nokian900.com | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | SudhirMathane, apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | all with fakeroot of course | 18:51 |
| moza | Hello everybody, i just got hold of a N900 and i need a pointer to a valuable tutorial to begin coding on it. My OS on my laptop is ubuntu. I would be very happy if anybody can help :) | 18:52 |
| dneary | votes are out! | 18:52 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Thanks | 18:52 |
| jacekowski | moza: download SDK | 18:52 |
| SudhirMathane | MohammadAG: thanks, let me try it now | 18:52 |
| jacekowski | moza: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk/ | 18:52 |
| jacekowski | and RTFM | 18:53 |
| nidO | vodes are out or votes are still going out? | 18:53 |
| derf | It's too late to buy my vote. | 18:53 |
| nidO | votes* | 18:53 |
| derf | I have already voted. | 18:53 |
| moza | Thanks jacekowski, exactly what i needed :) thanks a lot :) | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | I got an invite!!! not :( | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: Stskeeps: told ya "don't ruin the battery, keep it separate and charged" | 18:57 |
| derf | It's still unclear to me how one actually gets to vote in these things. | 18:58 |
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| GAN900 | derf, 10 karma, 3 month old maemo.org account. | 18:58 |
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| achipa | dneary: I see you changed the Chipa misspeling, but it's still a near miss :) :( s/z/s/ | 18:59 |
| derf | Oh, that's a nice and low bar. | 18:59 |
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| Khertan | Does there users of PyGTKEditor here ? | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: yes, default sw is horrendous | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | at least tangogps is nice :P | 19:02 |
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| TomaszD | yeah I can't even reach settings | 19:03 |
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| mortal | how many hours of ebook reading can I get from a n800 | 19:05 |
| derf | About 6? | 19:06 |
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| derf | Somewhere in that ballpark, anyway. | 19:06 |
| lookatu | which server is this | 19:06 |
| lookatu | i wanna access this channel in mirc | 19:06 |
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| microlith | irc.freenode.net | 19:07 |
| gomiam | :Dhast | 19:07 |
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| foolerr | hey guys | 19:09 |
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| foolerr | guys is there a way to watch shoutcast tv on n900 | 19:11 |
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| Funnyface | argh lately my N900 has started to randomly reboot itself | 19:12 |
| Funnyface | I thought that was fixed in an update | 19:12 |
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| hrw | re | 19:14 |
| lookatu | hello | 19:14 |
| Funnyface | hi | 19:14 |
| hrw | "The e-mail address and token you gave do not match an existing voter, or you have already voted." - voting starts tomorrow or in other "23rd March 2010"? | 19:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrw: i just voted a few mins ago | 19:15 |
| lookatu | guys what PR1.1 stands for and what is it | 19:15 |
| timeless_mbp | lookatu: an out of date update to the sales release | 19:15 |
| timeless_mbp | looks like pr stands for 'public release' | 19:16 |
| lookatu | ahhh ok ... Ive recently update to latest firmware 3.2 | 19:16 |
| timeless_mbp | at least that's what some random sites guessed it means | 19:16 |
| Funnyface | that's what I guessed too :P | 19:16 |
| lookatu | :) | 19:16 |
| * timeless_mbp thinks the guess is wrong, but anyway | 19:16 | |
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| timeless_mbp | lookatu: um, of what product? | 19:17 |
| lookatu | maemo | 19:17 |
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| MiXu- | Ehh | 19:17 |
| timeless_mbp | because we might or might not have shipped a 1.2 of maemo 5 | 19:17 |
| timeless_mbp | what hardware do you have? | 19:17 |
| derf | hrw: Worked for me. | 19:17 |
| timeless_mbp | 770? n800? | 19:17 |
| lookatu | gimme 1 sec lemme check, im talkin about n900 | 19:17 |
| MiXu- | You don't have 3.2 then :) | 19:17 |
| timeless_mbp | well, that version doesn't exist | 19:17 |
| Funnyface | 3.2010.02-8 is what mine says :> | 19:17 |
| lookatu | yeah thats it | 19:18 |
| hrw | ok, got it | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | ah that's 1.1.1 I think | 19:18 |
| lookatu | Ive to say this mobile is the best | 19:18 |
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| lookatu | it can do almost everything | 19:18 |
| DrGrov | Good day | 19:19 |
| Noobmonk3y_ | it didnt make me a cup of tea this morning :( | 19:19 |
| lookatu | just one thing bugs me is that u cant use it for skype video calls and cant initiate video talk at all for gtalk | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK | it needs lasers so we can attach it to sharks | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK | and that needs waterproofing | 19:19 |
| MiXu- | I think video calls are coming later on | 19:20 |
| MiXu- | THey wouldn't have put a front camera in if they weren't. | 19:20 |
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| ShadowJK | google talk video calls probably | 19:20 |
| MiXu- | maybe even skype | 19:20 |
| Funnyface | yep haven't found any way to stream video directly from the device | 19:20 |
| Funnyface | by any means | 19:20 |
| ShadowJK | MiXu-, well N8x0 had front webcams and only ever had google talk video calls :) | 19:20 |
| thresh | easy, use VLC | 19:20 |
| MiXu- | ShadowJK: Did N8x0 have Skype support built in to begin with? | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | N810 yes | 19:21 |
| MiXu- | ok | 19:21 |
| derf | ShadowJK: The proximity sensor isn't based on a laser? | 19:21 |
| Lumpio- | I don't get the point of video calls | 19:21 |
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| ShadowJK | derf: no it's infrared | 19:21 |
| thresh | laser that would cut your brain | 19:21 |
| derf | They make infrared lasers. | 19:21 |
| lcuk | rt: @lcuk #maemo council candidates: can you all summarise your manifesto in a single tweet? #n900 #meego | 19:22 |
| ShadowJK | it's proximity, not a distance meter :) | 19:22 |
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| lookatu | im literally glad that n900 can play flash videos on justin.tv | 19:22 |
| derf | Boo. | 19:22 |
| Funnyface | it was supposed to take phone calls a step forward by making you able to see the other person, but.. I think it has failed mainly because of its high prices compared to regular phone calls | 19:22 |
| Funnyface | and most "simple normal phones" don't support it.. | 19:22 |
| nidO | that depends where you live though, in the uk "high price" for video calling is a misnomer | 19:22 |
| nidO | every major carrier treats video calls as normal calls, as far as using bundled contract minutes is concerned | 19:23 |
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| ShadowJK | Funnyface, I doubt 3g video calls will ever be supported | 19:23 |
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| Funnyface | last time I checked, they were like £1 per minute.. but then I haven't checked for a long long time | 19:24 |
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| Funnyface | because I never found video calls that useful :P | 19:24 |
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| lookatu | gtalk and skype are awesome for voip but I was surprised that they didnt include msn messenger or yahoo cuz most of my friends are on them | 19:25 |
| Funnyface | install pidgin | 19:25 |
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| Funnyface | then you have most of your IM stuff with you :P | 19:26 |
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| ShadowJK | What's the situation with msn these days? Is it still a arms race between microsoft trying to cripple other clients than their windows/microsoft messenger, and developers trying to get around all the blocks microsoft puts up? | 19:26 |
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| nidO | Funnyface it must be a long long time ago, certainly on o2 contracts video calling has always been bundled into monthly minutes, and outside of them the cost is like 5p more than normal mobile<>mobile calls | 19:26 |
| lookatu | I believe pidgin uses there own server to relay all these communication ... I dont wanna give them my username and password of msn/yahoo ... or am I wrong | 19:27 |
| Funnyface | nid0: I am not in the UK btw :P | 19:27 |
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| nidO | ah ok | 19:27 |
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| ShadowJK | lookatu, I think that's fring | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | that'd be alot more power optimal than doing straight msn though :) | 19:27 |
| lookatu | ohhh yeah fring | 19:28 |
| Funnyface | and I guess you could use web messengers with the maemo browser | 19:28 |
| lookatu | I remember u can use skype video as well using their software | 19:28 |
| Funnyface | but, not very power efficient.. | 19:28 |
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| n] | is there any good tutorials to get a ready to go environment to start making application ( python-Qt ) for n900 ? | 19:30 |
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| lookatu | next thing which ive been desperately searching now are mms, rtsp video streaming links ... so I can watch streamin video on n900 | 19:30 |
| Khertan | n], sudo apt-get intall pygtkeditor python-pyside | 19:30 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:30 |
| lookatu | I couldnt find justin.tv channel mms or rtsp link at all | 19:31 |
| n] | is it possible to developp on Ubuntu and have a rendering on n900 ? | 19:31 |
| n] | or is there any possibility to have a rendering ( n900 like ) on ubuntu ) | 19:31 |
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| Khertan | n], connect to device by fusessh ... open file with gedit | 19:32 |
| n] | :/ | 19:32 |
| Khertan | open a terminal ... ssh to your n900 | 19:32 |
| Khertan | and then launch your pyscript | 19:32 |
| Khertan | works well | 19:32 |
| n] | hum ok | 19:32 |
| Khertan | but you can install also scratchbox | 19:32 |
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| n] | networking is not working on windows right? | 19:32 |
| Khertan | and xephyr | 19:32 |
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| n] | never heard of that | 19:33 |
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| Khertan | or ... worse ... use eclipse with pluton and networking connectivity | 19:33 |
| n] | i can actaully ssh from my ubuntu to my n900 | 19:33 |
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| n] | but is there any n900 emulator working on ubuntu/windows | 19:34 |
| lookatu | there are couple of things that programmers should develop software for n900 ... winamp (shoutcast radio and shoutcast tv), greasemonkey support for firefox and client server application between pc and n900 so u can stream media off your computer | 19:34 |
| n] | just to see the rendering of an application | 19:34 |
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| lookatu | i was surprised that justin.tv has released their dedicated application for iphone | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | I'm sure there's a dozen shoutcast apps already.. | 19:37 |
| Hoxzer_ | lookatu: there is already greasemonkey support for the microb | 19:37 |
| ShadowJK | or atleast in development | 19:37 |
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| Hoxzer_ | lookatu: also the mediaplayer supports upnp | 19:38 |
| nidO | its basically only audio though atm | 19:38 |
| lookatu | hold the phone ... ShadowJK ... so u r sayin that I can watch shoutcast tv on n900 and Hoxzer_ greasemonkey support is already available for maemo browser. | 19:39 |
| * Trizt don't know which candidate to vote for | 19:40 | |
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| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y_, Healthcheck update, did you fix the PR1.2 stuff? | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | Mickey Mouse! Donald Duck. Ronald Reagan | 19:40 |
| lookatu | ShadowJK ... what software do u use for shoutcast | 19:40 |
| lookatu | Hoxzer ... how do u install greasemonkey for browser ... cuz I seriously wanna scripts for youtube.com | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | oh, you can select what to test, nice :) | 19:41 |
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| Hoxzer_ | lookatu: it is in the maemo testing just google it | 19:41 |
| * Hoxzer_ has it installed | 19:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: /join #openmoko. Read ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB-RL | 19:42 |
| lookatu | ahhh ... ok | 19:42 |
| dneary | What's achipa's surname? | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell TomaszD about #openmoko-cdevel-BB-RL | 19:43 |
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| lookatu | Hoxzer ... thanks | 19:43 |
| Hoxzer_ | :) np | 19:44 |
| lookatu | now ShadowJK about shoutcast little heads up will be gr8ly appreciated | 19:44 |
| ShadowJK | tbh i never liked any of the software and just clicked things on the website... | 19:44 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG; PR1.2 out soon? | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | I don't know any dates | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | and I'm not starting rumors | 19:45 |
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| MohammadAG | hopefully 2010, but don't take my word for it | 19:46 |
| timeless_mbp | before 2036! | 19:46 |
| nidO | whats that you say MohammadAG, tomorrow?! | 19:46 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG; I'm so bored, I need a rumor | 19:46 |
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| MohammadAG | Trizt, it's going to be available yesterday, 2009 | 19:46 |
| TomaszD | DocScrutinizer, thanks | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | <timeless_mbp> before 2036! don't spread rumors! :p | 19:47 |
| Noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, not sure what is left to do other then version numbers, which i dont kno. | 19:47 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG; Cool, did they remove multitasking so it would be more iPhone like? | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | could take more | 19:47 |
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| MohammadAG | Trizt, nah, they added "System Wide Detection Services" | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | like windows 7 | 19:47 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: ok, sometime after Jan 1, 2001? :) | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | (windows phone 7_ | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | )* | 19:47 |
| Trizt | what does that do? detect if it's a ms-windows-7-mobile? | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, could be before, if a time machine was created some time in the future, we'd all have since launch in 1990 | 19:48 |
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| MohammadAG | have PR1.2* | 19:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i shouldn't comment on time machine availability | 19:48 |
| lookatu | see PR1.2 ... is it available to end users | 19:49 |
| timeless_mbp | but most likely the use of a time machine would just slow things down ;-) | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | cause you're timeless! | 19:49 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 19:49 |
| * MohammadAG thinks this time machine stuff would never happen | 19:49 | |
| lookatu | by any chance ... and i mean by anychance is there any new about vmware kind of software for n900 | 19:49 |
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| MohammadAG | cause the future isn't going at the same rate as us | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | so there's a future for the future | 19:49 |
| * MohammadAG goes into loop mode | 19:50 | |
| timeless_mbp | lookatu: beyond vmware announcing they had an impl for the n800? | 19:50 |
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| Trizt | lookatu; kvm ? ;P | 19:50 |
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| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y_, hmm, test if it can run all apps at once? | 19:50 |
| lookatu | kvm | 19:50 |
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| lookatu | lemme see on youtube about it | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | just execute all .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon :p | 19:51 |
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| Noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, ? | 19:52 |
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| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y_, Stress test | 19:53 |
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| Noobmonk3y_ | lol.... | 19:53 |
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| moza | Hi, i did something bad, i installed the scratchbox without checking that i had enough disk space. The problem is that i don't have a byte of disk space left, and that i don't find a command to erase what the scratchbox installer did. | 19:58 |
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| C-S-B | rm -r /scratchbox/ | 20:00 |
| moza | do you think it is ok if i just erase the /scratchbox directory? | 20:00 |
| ccooke | moza: yes, that will work | 20:00 |
| moza | obviously C-S-B thinks that yes :) | 20:00 |
| moza | ok, thanks | 20:00 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan: you're really packing up from *.maemo.org it looks like... | 20:04 |
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| Fargus | Elections now started - best of luck to all the council hopefuls! | 20:08 |
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| * satmd just wishes opensync/syncml's source wasn't such a mess of incosistency | 20:11 | |
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| MarcusM | Quick question before I got guitar lessons: Does the n900 screen (resistive touch) last forever, compared to capacitive which lasts 2 years? (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen) | 20:15 |
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| MohammadAG | MarcusM, I've had an iPAQ HX2795 for about 6 years | 20:16 |
| MohammadAG | or more, not sure | 20:16 |
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| konttori | MohammadAG: say what? (17:57) | 20:17 |
| MarcusM | And that is Resistive? Perfect. I wouldn't want to pay the ~500 euroes for something that didn't last longer. | 20:17 |
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| MohammadAG | konttori, huh | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | MarcusM, yeah, capacitive wasn't widespread till the iThing arrived | 20:18 |
| MarcusM | Another question: It is technically possible to get a virus on the n900, right? :P | 20:18 |
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| * konttori has stopped trying to figure out marketing deps and resorts on communication that anything developed in open source and has been committed to a public repo is perfectly fine to discuss in public. | 20:18 | |
| Shapeshifter | what I noticed today is that the n900 screen is extremely good in bright sunlight | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | konttori: that got someone in trouble | 20:19 |
| DrGrov | it seems like my shortcuts to Phone and Conversations just keeps lagging like hell once the phone has been switched on for more than 1,5 days non-stop. | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | karoliina (sp) | 20:19 |
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| konttori | timeless_mbp: ah, yes, indeed. However, it was a very political thing they were discussing about | 20:19 |
| MarcusM | Shapeshifter: That's good, as I might only get mine in a month, and the sun should hopefully be shining a tad more then. | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | konttori: yeah well | 20:20 |
| konttori | sure, I agree. | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | imo it was more that she did a professional job and they had released a PoC video which looked like Ass in comparison | 20:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | showing up upper management on their proud day is just well… unfortunate timing :) | 20:20 |
| pupnik | why talk here | 20:21 |
| pupnik | the us torture stste won | 20:21 |
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| pupnik | inhtel | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | <MarcusM> Another question: It is technically possible to get a virus on the n900, right? :P no | 20:22 |
| javispedro | moo pupnik | 20:22 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: sure it is | 20:22 |
| MarcusM | MohammedAG: Why not? It is running Linux, and I'm pretty sure Linux can have virus, even though it isn't the popular an OS to have virus on. | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, how | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | unless a .sh file is given, and the user sets it as executable and runs it as root | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | MarcusM, chances are you'll never get one | 20:23 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: just write one, send it to someone, get them to run it. with root if neccessary (tell them its an app, package it, and make them install it through clicky ham) | 20:23 |
| Trizt | There are tjoans for Linux, but still not seen any real viruses | 20:23 |
| MarcusM | Thought so. | 20:23 |
| Trizt | s/tjoans/trojans/ | 20:24 |
| infobot | Trizt meant: There are trojans for Linux, but still not seen any real viruses | 20:24 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: true, they're very rare. but there -are- security flaws here and there which can be hacked without using a virus | 20:24 |
| Myrtti | why bother with packaging something. Just make the damned thing go to a webpage with xss/javascript vulnerability being used and there you have it | 20:24 |
| Myrtti | virus is so passé | 20:24 |
| MarcusM | NoScript<3 | 20:24 |
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| * javispedro notes that you actually can hardware brick a n900 if you have root... | 20:25 | |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: how? fry it? | 20:25 |
| MarcusM | I'm scared now :p | 20:25 |
| Shapeshifter | I thought it turns off automatically when overheating | 20:25 |
| javispedro | no, that's amateur | 20:25 |
| javispedro | (but if it were to be charging the explosion could be nice... * goes off to his evil lab * ) | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, quite simple | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | open terminal, type root, get up to the last floor and type halt then drop it | 20:27 |
| javispedro | puaf | 20:27 |
| javispedro | that's so professional I'm going to ask mg edmin (not to ping him needlessly) to erase the logs of this | 20:28 |
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| MohammadAG | (I just said halt so that it doesn't feel hurt when it falls) | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, well I am a pro :P | 20:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | so, why can we all vote for the council? I know only 3 or 4 of the names on the list, and only by seeing them here or on the forums somewhere | 20:30 |
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| javispedro | that puts me in a good position I guess, so don't vote! :) | 20:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | Yeah I don't think I'm qualified to vote. | 20:31 |
| javispedro | my N900 has been pinging low battery for 7 hours now. | 20:31 |
| javispedro | time to replace it... | 20:31 |
| cehteh | huh how do you get that? | 20:32 |
| cehteh | mine works half an hour on low batt when i dont disable/disconnect anything | 20:32 |
| javispedro | dunno, I guess the meter doesn't want to admit that he got the prediction wrong | 20:32 |
| cehteh | ah | 20:32 |
| * cehteh would like to set the low-bat alarm higher, but i dint found a config for that yet | 20:33 | |
| javispedro | (because 7 hours ago I moved it to another Wi-Fi AP that I have carefully configured for maximum powersaving settings. The one I did my 4day battery test :) ) | 20:34 |
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| rzr | hi | 20:34 |
| cehteh | max powersave doesnt work for me, connections become very unreliable then | 20:34 |
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| cehteh | maybe i need a better ap | 20:34 |
| rzr | About to vote but i donno many users ... | 20:34 |
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| AndrewFBlack_ | Shapeshifter: you don't have to use all your votes just vote for the ones you know if you wanyt | 20:34 |
| javispedro | cehteh: think so. the only thing powersaving should add is roundtrip time | 20:35 |
| rzr | Stskeeps : is there any "openness candidate" ? | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | wait, what? | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:35 |
| cehteh | i get timeouts and interrupted streams when hearing webradio | 20:35 |
| rzr | chenca: had this on wifi wpa2 psk | 20:35 |
| cehteh | with moderate powersaving roundtrip can be as high as 1 minute here when nothing else goes over the ent | 20:36 |
| rzr | are there candidates's program online ? | 20:36 |
| javispedro | cehteh: impossible, something is wrong | 20:37 |
| javispedro | cehteh: we're talking about ms here. | 20:37 |
| cehteh | i saied that .. the AP is crap | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | rzr: on the wiki yes | 20:37 |
| cehteh | quite old dlink ap ... | 20:37 |
| rzr | true | 20:37 |
| rzr | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Candidate_declarations_for_March_2010 | 20:37 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: works for me. With a moderately old dynamode AP | 20:37 |
| SpeedEvil | (which violates the GPL :( ) | 20:38 |
| cehteh | ap is from 2003 or so, cant remember | 20:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | 2006 here | 20:38 |
| cehteh | and its DLink ... never buy dlink | 20:39 |
| * rzr voted with the help of /dev/random | 20:39 | |
| * javispedro checks his AP brand... | 20:39 | |
| javispedro | D-Link. | 20:39 |
| cehteh | hehe | 20:39 |
| cehteh | dwl 2000ap+ or so | 20:39 |
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| * AndrewFBlack_ sits amazed again its impossible to connect anything but Windows to his work network | 20:40 | |
| cehteh | for the first few firmware updates i had to call a friend with a windows laptop because the firmware uploader is web-interface based and only worked in IE | 20:40 |
| cehteh | what a crap | 20:40 |
| javispedro | can't see the model no from here, but it's one of those with adsl2 modem and linux but with so little memory that it's not useful. | 20:40 |
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| cehteh | this is a pure AP, no router | 20:41 |
| cehteh | and propietary OS | 20:41 |
| * AndrewFBlack_ beats his head on the wall... | 20:42 | |
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| cehteh | poor wall | 20:42 |
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| Hoxzer_ | it strange how in my appartment one can get all the modes fron 2.5g to 3.5g | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | window, not window | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:48 |
| Hoxzer_ | *it's | 20:48 |
| javispedro | lucky you. I can only get 3.5G or cancer. | 20:49 |
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| wirelessdreamer | anyone know how to convert games to work with the psx emu's in extras-dev I converted from cue to iso, and from bin to iso, but the emu's won't recognize them | 20:54 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: When you are getting cancer, what does the N900's status bar say? | 20:57 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: does it actually show a tiny crustacean? =) | 20:57 |
| Arif_ | user fault\ shutting down in 10s | 20:57 |
| Arif_ | =P | 20:58 |
| Milo- | wheee | 20:58 |
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| Milo- | found a calendar bug | 20:58 |
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| Arif_ | in what firmware :P | 20:59 |
| Milo- | two of my contacts have birthday on the beginning of the next month. | 20:59 |
| Milo- | now it shows the latter one | 20:59 |
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| Milo- | and reloading the calendar for few times will make it realise the first one as well | 20:59 |
| Milo- | and after yet another few reloads, it forgets about it *again* | 20:59 |
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| Arif_ | lol | 20:59 |
| Arif_ | maybe it doesn't like that contact | 21:00 |
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| Milo- | apparently | 21:00 |
| Milo- | ahh | 21:01 |
| Milo- | that birthday has been taken from msn-contacts | 21:01 |
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| Milo- | maybe merge contact fixes the bug | 21:03 |
| Milo- | I would like it very very much if the all contacts list would show an icon according to protocols with what you can contact the contact | 21:05 |
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| Stskeeps | lo goshawk | 21:06 |
| goshawk | hi Stskeeps | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | how's it going? | 21:06 |
| goshawk | nice to see you again | 21:06 |
| goshawk | very good | 21:06 |
| * RST38h moos at Stskeeps evilly | 21:06 | |
| goshawk | i've got a n900 | 21:06 |
| goshawk | ;) | 21:06 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe, good :) | 21:06 |
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| goshawk | gonna develop a jaikuspot-like application anytime soon | 21:07 |
| goshawk | in the meantime i was learning about bluetooth thetering | 21:07 |
| goshawk | ah.. let me congratulate with your posts on maemo.org about meego | 21:07 |
| goshawk | nice move | 21:07 |
| ShadowJK | n900 as server or n900 as blueooth tethering client? | 21:07 |
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| goshawk | n900 as server | 21:07 |
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| goshawk | pc -> n900 -> umts internet | 21:08 |
| goshawk | i've installed the bluetooth thetering application | 21:08 |
| goshawk | i've associated the n900 with my pc with blueman | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 21:08 |
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| goshawk | i enabled it with dialup service | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | I did that too today, and my N810 tethered without problems :-) | 21:08 |
| goshawk | but when i do that networkmanager complains that The device Nokia N900 does not appear to support GSM/CDMA. | 21:08 |
| goshawk | This connection will not work. | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | oh :/ | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | goshawk: think the place that gave the freerunner will take a USB plug repair if it fell off? ;) | 21:09 |
| goshawk | Stskeeps: nope, they fired me | 21:09 |
| goshawk | Stskeeps: they are going to be very opensource-aware | 21:09 |
| goshawk | i mean... then don't wanna develop free software anymore | 21:09 |
| goshawk | Stskeeps: do you know people having the same problem as me with n900? | 21:10 |
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| cityLights2 | hi all | 21:11 |
| cityLights2 | what editor should I use on a pc to write python? | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | cityLights2, mmm theres a few good open source cross platform ide/editors | 21:12 |
| cehteh | emacs? | 21:12 |
| cityLights2 | excluding vim | 21:12 |
| toggles_w | there is only one editor, vi | 21:12 |
| lcuk | i like komodo | 21:12 |
| cehteh | hehe let the war begin | 21:12 |
| toggles_w | ;-) | 21:12 |
| SpeedEvil | wordstar | 21:12 |
| cehteh | ed! | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | joe | 21:12 |
| * nidO smacks everyone with a nano manpage | 21:12 | |
| * lcuk reads the nano manpage with notepad | 21:12 | |
| * SpeedEvil watches as the paperclip wades into the argument, and massacres everyone. | 21:13 | |
| lcuk | actually, notepad will fail | 21:13 |
| inz | nid0, does an editor with no features whatsoever have a manpage? | 21:13 |
| * cehteh uses emacs and nano | 21:13 | |
| lcuk | those pesky linux people forgot to include the extra LF character | 21:13 |
| lcuk | that must be the bit you have to pay for | 21:13 |
| nidO | NANO(1) NANO(1) | 21:13 |
| RST38h | NANO! | 21:13 |
| nidO | apparently it does. | 21:13 |
| RST38h | NANO!!! | 21:13 |
| cehteh | nano is quite powerful for its size, most people dont know it | 21:13 |
| inz | lcuk, that's a byte! | 21:13 |
| cityLights2 | geany? eclipse? | 21:13 |
| cehteh | (its features) | 21:13 |
| * RST38h installs eclipse onto cityLights2 | 21:14 | |
| lcuk | well its tough to chew | 21:14 |
| cehteh | eclipse for the n900! :P | 21:14 |
| lcuk | that pesky byte has caused more failures in computer systems than any other character ! | 21:14 |
| RST38h | Yea, you do it | 21:14 |
| cityLights2 | I like writing java on eclipse | 21:14 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Have never seen it to cause any failures, weirdly | 21:14 |
| lcuk | windows has a habit of adding it | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | oh crap, its noobmonk3y quick, hide the poker tables | 21:15 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Uncontrolled memory allocation, unchecked pointers, buffer overflows, static variables inside function bodies easily take the top prize | 21:15 |
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| cityLights2 | ok, second question: can I use icd2 to trigger udhcpc? | 21:15 |
| cityLights2 | luck: pls name one python ide | 21:16 |
| lcuk | bleugh ok | 21:16 |
| lcuk | komodo | 21:16 |
| cityLights2 | eix komodo | 21:16 |
| cityLights2 | No matches found. | 21:16 |
| cityLights2 | eix blueugh | 21:16 |
| cityLights2 | No matches found | 21:16 |
| lcuk | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/309135/komodo-edit-and-notepad-pros-cons-python-dev | 21:16 |
| * noobmonk3y blinks | 21:17 | |
| JLP | cityLights2: eric | 21:17 |
| * noobmonk3y runs and hides..... noobmonk3y, where? | 21:17 | |
| cityLights2 | A full featured Python IDE using PyQt4 and QScintilla | 21:17 |
| cityLights2 | nice | 21:17 |
| noobmonk3y | cityLights2 - notepad, best pythong ide i have found hehehe | 21:17 |
| noobmonk3y | qt designer is pretty much your only bet with something like eric | 21:17 |
| noobmonk3y | but its not great | 21:17 |
| cehteh | python has an official ide .. 'idle' | 21:17 |
| noobmonk3y | :D thats what i use ;) | 21:18 |
| noobmonk3y | and pyGTKeditor on the n900 | 21:18 |
| * RST38h suggests writing Python IDE in PERL | 21:18 | |
| n] | where is run-standalone.sh ? | 21:18 |
| RST38h | Just for the hell of it | 21:18 |
| lcuk | isnt there a python plugin for irssi ? | 21:18 |
| noobmonk3y | lol RST38h | 21:18 |
| n] | i want to run my QtApplication and can't find that file | 21:18 |
| noobmonk3y | is there? | 21:18 |
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| noobmonk3y | n] python? | 21:18 |
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| n] | boogeyman, yeah | 21:19 |
| noobmonk3y | just type python <<appname>>.py | 21:19 |
| n] | noobmonk3y, yeah | 21:19 |
| noobmonk3y | lols | 21:19 |
| n] | it's not workink | 21:19 |
| n] | LOL ! | 21:19 |
| noobmonk3y | are you in the folder? | 21:19 |
| n] | must be run with run-standalone.sh | 21:19 |
| noobmonk3y | ? | 21:19 |
| noobmonk3y | random | 21:19 |
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| noobmonk3y | mine doesnt | 21:19 |
| n] | i'm in /home/user/PyProject/ | 21:19 |
| lcuk | "you are alone in a forest, to your south through the trees you can see a cottage" | 21:20 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol lcuk | 21:20 |
| noobmonk3y | n] - only thing i can think of is python hasnt got permissions to run it or something, maybe try it in mydocs etc, but can't see that being true | 21:20 |
| lcuk | no | 21:20 |
| lcuk | thats not the problem | 21:20 |
| * noobmonk3y blames lcuk | 21:21 | |
| lcuk | what happens if you type "cd /home/user/PyProject" | 21:21 |
| * toggles_w thanks the nokia gods for the $50 they just sent me! | 21:21 | |
| lcuk | then "python hello.py" | 21:21 |
| lcuk | exactly | 21:21 |
| cityLights2 | ok, | 21:21 |
| noobmonk3y | that sounds correct | 21:21 |
| cityLights2 | thanks | 21:21 |
| noobmonk3y | isnt he a clever little lcuk | 21:21 |
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| * lcuk grabs a ciggy | 21:21 | |
| * SpeedEvil checks his email. | 21:22 | |
| * noobmonk3y better go n vote...... | 21:22 | |
| * lcuk will vote soon | 21:22 | |
| lcuk | im waiting for the polls to get a bit quieter | 21:22 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:22 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk - when yo uemailed me, the title was - working but still slight issue - what was the issue? | 21:23 |
| n] | i'm root and got a permission denied | 21:23 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh dont do it in root | 21:23 |
| lcuk | n[ use pastebin and give entire block of output | 21:23 |
| noobmonk3y | oh just seen the pic again, missing half the buttons | 21:23 |
| lcuk | i run with root | 21:23 |
| noobmonk3y | wtf that shouldnt happen | 21:23 |
| noobmonk3y | bigger status area? | 21:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | noobmonk3y: what is missing half the buttons? | 21:24 |
| cehteh | n]: FAT filesystem have no permissions and they hacked statically in when mounting .. that yields some strange effects sometimes | 21:24 |
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| n] | i'm just trying to write a Qt Hello World | 21:25 |
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| cehteh | be user not root .. and MyDocs is mounted noexec too .. not even root can execute stuff there | 21:26 |
| t-tan | is anybody already running the PR1.2 kernel? | 21:26 |
| lcuk | if hes running "python BLAH.py" BLAH.py doesnt have to have execute rights | 21:27 |
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| lcuk | you could install a 30gb python app on MyDocs if you wanted and still have it runing | 21:27 |
| n] | where should it be? | 21:27 |
| cehteh | well for shell script that works .. dunno if python enforces it | 21:27 |
| lcuk | its not permissions if hes doing as i asked him | 21:27 |
| noobmonk3y | cehteh - i can run python files in mydocs/appname | 21:27 |
| Arif_ | a 30GB app on a 27GB drive? | 21:27 |
| Arif_ | sounds hard to do :( | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | t-tan: there's a new one? :P | 21:27 |
| cehteh | ./blah.py with #!/shebang wont work | 21:27 |
| lcuk | shell scripts with a shebang are self executing | 21:27 |
| lcuk | so need permission | 21:27 |
| lcuk | but even in FAT partition, you can run "sh myscript.sh" | 21:28 |
| cehteh | yes | 21:28 |
| lcuk | because "sh" is executable via /usr/bin or wherever | 21:28 |
| t-tan | Stskeeps: yes? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/ | 21:28 |
| lcuk | Arif_, shush you know what i meant | 21:28 |
| Arif_ | :P | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | t-tan: ah, i'm out of the loop :P | 21:28 |
| cehteh | t-tan: did you figured the changes out the did? | 21:28 |
| n] | http://pastebin.com/DXaf1vFH | 21:29 |
| n] | here is my python code | 21:29 |
| * cehteh would still like some community kernel project refactor and maintain nokias patches and keep them in sync with the vanilla kernel | 21:29 | |
| n] | that is in /home/user/PyProject/ | 21:29 |
| cehteh | but i have no time currently | 21:30 |
| cehteh | n]: how do you start it? | 21:30 |
| cehteh | and dont be root .. try as user | 21:30 |
| n] | both python main.py and run-standalone.sh main.py | 21:30 |
| t-tan | cehteh: I made a diff (1.2M). apparently lots of bugfixes but the changelog is not very detailed | 21:30 |
| cehteh | but same base kernel version? | 21:31 |
| t-tan | cehteh: I've added the new Nokia patches to my extras-devel kernel | 21:31 |
| cehteh | nice | 21:31 |
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| cehteh | well since my last kernel adventure i didnt tried any new one :P | 21:31 |
| eean | how do you unsubscribe from a podcast with gpodder? | 21:31 |
| t-tan | it's 2.6.28.10 with all Nokia patches | 21:32 |
| n] | cehteh, it's the same as user | 21:32 |
| cehteh | same as what? | 21:32 |
| n] | as with root | 21:32 |
| n] | same error | 21:32 |
| javispedro | RST38h: the status bar shows a rainbow-colored signal meter. or not, I can't really tell =) | 21:32 |
| n] | Well with python main.py | 21:32 |
| cehteh | investigate the error exaclty | 21:32 |
| n] | my app launch then close | 21:32 |
| lcuk | n] where is the console log | 21:32 |
| lcuk | ahh | 21:32 |
| lcuk | wheres the log of oyu running it | 21:33 |
| n] | i don't know sorry | 21:33 |
| n] | don't know what you mean | 21:33 |
| alterego | I just voted for three candidates, | 21:33 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N900:/home/user# python hello.py | 21:33 |
| lcuk | python: can't open file 'hello.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory | 21:33 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N900:/home/user# | 21:33 |
| lcuk | i get that | 21:33 |
| * alterego thinks that's a good approach | 21:33 | |
| lcuk | what do you get | 21:33 |
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| n] | nothing | 21:34 |
| noobmonk3y | no response in terminal? | 21:34 |
| lcuk | he doesnt get nothing | 21:34 |
| n] | my application is launched but exit 1 second after creating the Qt Window | 21:34 |
| noobmonk3y | shhhhhhhh its an invisible n900 | 21:34 |
| dregin | double negative wha? | 21:34 |
| n] | it's Qt problem side not n900 ? | 21:34 |
| noobmonk3y | maybe add some debugging | 21:35 |
| noobmonk3y | on the first line of code add print "1st line" | 21:35 |
| noobmonk3y | see if that prints in terminal :D | 21:35 |
| n] | http://pastebin.com/DXaf1vFH | 21:35 |
| n] | python code | 21:35 |
| javispedro | application launched .... exit 1 second after ... | 21:35 |
| * javispedro runs pattern recognition algorithm | 21:36 | |
| javispedro | missing run-standalone.sh | 21:36 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N900:/home/user/Pyproject# python hello.py | 21:36 |
| lcuk | Traceback (most recent call last): | 21:36 |
| lcuk | File "hello.py", line 3, in <module> | 21:36 |
| lcuk | from PySide import QtGui, QtCore | 21:36 |
| lcuk | ImportError: No module named PySide | 21:36 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N900:/home/user/Pyproject# | 21:36 |
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| noobmonk3y | from PySide.QtCore import * | 21:36 |
| noobmonk3y | from PySide.QtGui import * | 21:36 |
| n] | apt-get install pyside-qt-gui | 21:36 |
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| n] | yeah it's a 10 mn try import "*" is shit | 21:36 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 21:37 |
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| * noobmonk3y goes back to his hole | 21:37 | |
| javispedro | from shit import * | 21:37 |
| alterego | n]: Where's your app.run() ? | 21:37 |
| alterego | You need to enter the Qt event loop .. | 21:37 |
| n] | i'm new to Qt | 21:37 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhh | 21:38 |
| n] | not python | 21:38 |
| Shapeshifter | noobmonk3y: are you doing a tutorial? | 21:38 |
| * noobmonk3y is new to it too :D | 21:38 | |
| Shapeshifter | noobmonk3y: sorry | 21:38 |
| Shapeshifter | n]: | 21:38 |
| noobmonk3y | Shapeshifter = me a tutorial? | 21:38 |
| Shapeshifter | n]: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/ I suggest you do this stuff | 21:38 |
| Shapeshifter | works the same for pyside. | 21:38 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh | 21:38 |
| alterego | n]: it's app.exec_() you neewd to call that after you show your widgets | 21:38 |
| Shapeshifter | noobmonk3y: nah, tabcompletion fail | 21:38 |
| noobmonk3y | nicely done shape :D | 21:39 |
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| n] | alterego, it's working | 21:41 |
| n] | thank you | 21:41 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 21:41 |
| alterego | n]: No problem :) Always glad to help/.; | 21:41 |
| n] | i will get my hands dirty tomorow thank you | 21:41 |
| noobmonk3y | yay to alterego | 21:41 |
| n] | Thank you lcuk noobmonk3y alterego and others | 21:41 |
| n] | :) | 21:41 |
| noobmonk3y | awwww | 21:41 |
| n] | have to goo | 21:41 |
| * noobmonk3y pats lcuk on the head...... | 21:41 | |
| alterego | Have fun ;) | 21:41 |
| noobmonk3y | bye n] | 21:41 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 21:41 |
| alterego | Which reminds me, I should probably port my framework to Qt at somepoint | 21:43 |
| RST38h | The Hercules System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture Emulator | 21:43 |
| hrw | re | 21:43 |
| * RST38h speechless | 21:43 | |
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| alterego | RST38h: ? | 21:44 |
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| RST38h | There is finally an IBM mainframe emulator for the cell phone. | 21:46 |
| alterego | Oh, hahaha | 21:46 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: HEre? | 21:46 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | rst38h...what's it called? | 21:47 |
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| alterego | dmj726_n9001: The X blah blah emulator? :P | 21:48 |
| dmj726_n9001 | oh I thought it might have been serious | 21:48 |
| dmj726_n9001 | n900 has taught me not to doubt the existence of random emulators | 21:49 |
| alterego | Okay, I'll be the one to spell it out. It's called Hercules dmj726_n9001 :P | 21:49 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | that's amazing | 21:55 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | I'm sure we all want to run games from ibm mainframes. | 22:01 |
| * Jaffa is on ropey connection - has anyone updated the council declarations page with a link to EIPI's Q&A? | 22:02 | |
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| Jaffa | dmj726_n9001: IPL a box which has been up for years. That's a fun mainframe game. | 22:03 |
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| MarcusM | Any idea why I get this error while installing Maemo 5 SDK? | 22:04 |
| MarcusM | W: Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/helena-getdeb/games/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 22:04 |
| MarcusM | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. | 22:04 |
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| MarcusM | Because of getdeb only? | 22:04 |
| microlith | probably | 22:05 |
| microlith | disable the repo | 22:05 |
| MarcusM | Guess I can't, as the Maemo 5 SDK wants to install it? | 22:05 |
| microlith | duno about that | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | no, that's your own | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:05 |
| javispedro | I love when people fail to make the deadlines | 22:08 |
| javispedro | then it doesn't feel that bad when I fail to make it too :) | 22:08 |
| javispedro | up to the point that I'm sometimes tempted to answer "Thank god" to "I'm late" | 22:09 |
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| * javispedro can't help but read "Something is Eating my Battery Alive: Please Help!!!" as "Something is Eating my Brain Alive" | 22:12 | |
| microlith | so a zombie process? | 22:13 |
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| * RST38h knows an answer to that | 22:14 | |
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| dotblank | Anyone know the script that gets caalled when you select which mode the n900 is in when you plug in the usb cable.. | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | ke-rec | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | v | 22:18 |
| dotblank | ie the script to set up the usb gadget | 22:18 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51 btw: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg25633.html | 22:27 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, better get in there or you wont get elected. :P | 22:27 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, or in the other case, get in there or you will. :P | 22:27 |
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| Stskeeps | hrw|gone: ^ above url might be interesting too | 22:28 |
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| javispedro | GAN900: Get in where? | 22:29 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, that battery thread. | 22:30 |
| javispedro | ah | 22:30 |
| javispedro | thanks, but I love my brain! | 22:30 |
| javispedro | I feel a bit attached to it at least. | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | HAM is much MUCH faster in PR1.2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjAwC4nM5cE | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | you mean the SDK one? | 22:31 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: is that SDK? | 22:31 |
| petteri | maybe it is just your cpu | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | no | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't ignore stuff like on my N900 | 22:32 |
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| petteri | ok. We need stuff sorted by date there also. I hate going through all the apps when looking something new | 22:33 |
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| javispedro | let's go and do some real work. cya | 22:36 |
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| MohammadAG | petteri, downcloced the CPU to 600MHz | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | the app manager is still very quick | 22:41 |
| petteri | :D | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | 600MHz on a x86 may not be the same as on the arm | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Is 1.2 out? | 22:41 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, doesn't mean anything | 22:41 |
| GAN900 | and your RAM, cache and disk are much faster. | 22:42 |
| GAN900 | I can see we're not going to have a betam period for PR1.2 | 22:42 |
| GAN900 | Unfortunate | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | I don't remember the PR1.1 app manager this quick | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: We will in hte UK. :/ | 22:42 |
| GAN900 | I guess Nokia never really learns. | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | (on the SDK) | 22:42 |
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| valdyn | MohammadAG: also depends on the number of packages available currently | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | I hate how all .desktop files are dumped on the main menu | 22:43 |
| alterego | GAN900: I guess the queue got cancelled? | 22:43 |
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| MohammadAG | valdyn, all repos enabled | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | including SDK ones | 22:43 |
| GAN900 | alterego, no idea. | 22:44 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, does this happen on your N900? apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: fennec 1.0.0 | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | (lots of apps, not just fennec) | 22:44 |
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| alterego | GAN900: probably saving them for all the Moblin devs :D | 22:45 |
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| MohammadAG | GAN900, http://pastebin.com/FvfCStwn | 22:46 |
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| MohammadAG | that's the N900 | 22:46 |
| GAN900 | alterego, lol | 22:46 |
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| joker_891 | hi | 22:48 |
| joker_891 | anyone programs with python for mobile? | 22:48 |
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| dmj726_n900 | I did a bit recently | 22:49 |
| dmj726_n900 | there is a good text editor for python on the n900. | 22:49 |
| joker_891 | i dont know how to use the screen like an input text | 22:49 |
| alterego | Are you talking about PyGTKEditor? I thought it was awful :P | 22:49 |
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| noobmonk3y | i love it :D | 22:50 |
| joker_891 | like notes or calendar tasks that use all screen for write text | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: you get anything on HAM - it doesn't output anything on stdout for me | 22:50 |
| joker_891 | its any function? | 22:50 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, -devel enabled? | 22:50 |
| dmj726_n900 | any standard gtk or qt widgets that do what you want? | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: no | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: oh - the repo - yes | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | mozilla repo? | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: however - I start HAM from the apps menu - so where would that stdout be? | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | start it from terminal as user | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | hildon-application-manager | 22:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes, lots of them | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, they don't show up in PR1.2 | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | which I'm assuming, causes the speed up | 22:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: is this a beta 1.2 you have? | 22:53 |
| DrGrov | how good is the sliding mechanism on showing the keyboard or not showing? is the build quality how good? | 22:53 |
| dotblank | Anyone know how to associate a certain file type with the file manager to a particular application? | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, SDK | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | PX: Unrecognized image file format | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | PX: Unrecognized image file format | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | only shows these | 22:54 |
| dotblank | I have a custom shell script | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | no ignored packages | 22:54 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: very positive and firm action | 22:54 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: ah | 22:54 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: so, when I hear the clicking sound of it closing it stays 100% closed without any minor touching to open it by mistake? | 22:54 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: yes. It requires about 500g of force to begin to open | 22:55 |
| dotblank | I made a script that takes a iso file as an argument and loads a the usb-mass storage mode on the iso file and shares that specific image to the host computer | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: and about the same to begin to close | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | dotblank: neat. | 22:55 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I upgraded my N900 to SDK packages, ended up with half baked software :p | 22:55 |
| dotblank | im trying to integrate it into the file manager | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG | (knew it was gonna brick it from the start) | 22:56 |
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| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: ok, i am just a bit angry with my old N97 which could accidentally slide open on some occassions. | 22:57 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: but good, now when it clicked itself closed it is closed. | 22:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Forces approcimate - I could measure - but meh. | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | s/500g/500gf/ | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | (in a sea-level earth environment) | 22:58 |
| C-S-B-N900 | wow, considering what i was expecting the gps unassisted is awesome just went out using sygic and i had signal, in 30m accuracy in a small amount of timel. | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Is that 30m reported accuracy, or real? | 23:00 |
| C-S-B-N900 | reported. | 23:00 |
| * SpeedEvil checks. | 23:00 | |
| C-S-B-N900 | i was walking and it tracked me fairly well | 23:00 |
| C-S-B-N900 | but the arrow backwards. | 23:00 |
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| MarcusM | If I write a little game in C++ using SDL, would I then be able to use it on the n900? | 23:01 |
| C-S-B-N900 | is that the lack of a compass? | 23:01 |
| V13 | MarcusM: possibly | 23:02 |
| C-S-B-N900 | compile it for am i cant see why not... | 23:02 |
| V13 | why not try it ? | 23:02 |
| C-S-B-N900 | *arm | 23:02 |
| nidO | no compass = satnav will give you a movement direction but not the direction you're facing | 23:02 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | nidO: isnt that a bit dumb? | 23:02 |
| MarcusM | C-S-B-N900: AM is? | 23:02 |
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| nidO | personally I can't see why nokia neglected to include a compass in the device, but suffice to say they did | 23:03 |
| konttori | MohammadAG: remember that if you long press on launcher menu, you can reorder the items. | 23:03 |
| C-S-B-N900 | MarcusM: ^ | 23:03 |
| konttori | and, btw: nice video. | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | konttori, mentioned that in the thread :) | 23:03 |
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| MohammadAG | konttori, but seriously, I have about 10+ rows of icons | 23:04 |
| konttori | ah, I somehow missed it. sorry | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | 10 x 5 =50 | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | 50 + | 23:04 |
| konttori | MohammadAG: nice. well, you can still install the categorize | 23:04 |
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| MohammadAG | and having them in the main menu would slow it down | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | I hate it! | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | nidO: It's $20 or so. | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | actually, I can't open phone and contacts quickly with it | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | C-S-B: Looking at some tracklogs. | 23:05 |
| konttori | how come? | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | and it slows down installs when populating itself | 23:05 |
| hoxzer | I hate having the shop icon in mainmenu. :| Grr... when I have time I will find a way to remove it | 23:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | C-S-B: I seem to get an accuracy of +-9m or so - while driving with the GPS in my right front trouser pocket (with the antenna mostly upwards) | 23:05 |
| konttori | to each his own, personally, I like it much more than the old one. | 23:05 |
| konttori | sure, there are ways to make it even better, but I think it works now really well for my use flows on the device after I've reordered the items to my liking | 23:06 |
| konttori | I don't need to scroll it almost ever. | 23:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | nidO: however - integrated compasses are in the process of crashing in price. | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | nidO: So the n920... | 23:07 |
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| MohammadAG | TC EVO 4G which was known as the Supersonic all this time finally went official moments ago The EVO 4G is the World’s first 4G Android smartphone. Its got a 4.3 inch display with a kick stand and is powered by a 1GHz snapdragon processor with 512 MB of RAM It runs on Android 2.1 with HTC Sense UI .... | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | Nexus one outdated | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | HTC* | 23:08 |
| microlith | now | 23:08 |
| microlith | is LTE going to use SIM cards? | 23:08 |
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| joker_891 | anyone knows how to put a form to fullscreen field? with python | 23:09 |
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| nidO | SpeedEvil: hold on, $20? even an akm digital compass from like 2005 only cost like $6 in volume | 23:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | nidO: Sorry - $10 or so. - not much less. | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Cat=1967220&k=HMC5843 - for example | 23:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | This is for ones simple to interface, that won't complicate the phone | 23:12 |
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| stonda | HTC EVO 4G sounds more like faux-4G to me | 23:12 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | SpeedEvil: the gps aerial is left of the screen? | 23:13 |
| V13 | I bet this one would sell for <10$ for nokia. their name and the volume would greatly reduce the price | 23:13 |
| dregin | Can someone recommend me a game to install for the N900? | 23:13 |
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| V13 | angrybirds | 23:13 |
| dregin | finished with angry birds | 23:13 |
| V13 | oh :( | 23:13 |
| C-S-B-N900 | so does the lack of compass break navigation? | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | V13: yes - probably $6 or so in volume | 23:13 |
| nidO | wouldnt know about ease of interfacing, but the AK8970N in iphones goes for $5.24 in batches of 25k+ apparently | 23:13 |
| stonda | considering when it's just CDMA brick slammed with wimax capabilities | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | dregin: all 3 levels *** ? | 23:13 |
| petteri | that burger game is nice, burger space? | 23:14 |
| dregin | SpeedEvil: only have level 1 and no CC for buying the others | 23:14 |
| valdyn | petteri: enigma | 23:14 |
| V13 | I like *gwelled and xploder (from ovi) | 23:14 |
| dregin | there're a few gweled variants in the repos | 23:14 |
| nidO | the other angry birds level packs arent even available to buy anyway :< | 23:14 |
| dregin | installed one and it was rubbish | 23:15 |
| nidO | but, blubbels is a decent game | 23:15 |
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| nidO | also tuxrace went into -testing today | 23:15 |
| nidO | last night* | 23:15 |
| V13 | dregin: I've both of them and they both work fine | 23:15 |
| V13 | Also, I personally like *Very* much the sgt-puzzles | 23:15 |
| V13 | especially loopy | 23:16 |
| dregin | I didn't say it didn't work :) | 23:16 |
| inz | V13, I used to like loopy, nowadays I waste more time with netgame | 23:16 |
| cehteh | dregin: try to beat your own angrybirds records :P | 23:16 |
| petteri | burgerspace: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/burgerspace and Sensitive Motion: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/sense | 23:16 |
| V13 | cehteh: yes. it's good too.. | 23:16 |
| nidO | sensitive motion's good fun, shame it takes like 10 mins to complete | 23:16 |
| V13 | hexahop is fun too | 23:17 |
| cehteh | if you want some longer lasting game, install nethack :P | 23:17 |
| V13 | or play chess :P | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | 'blocks' is worth a look too | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | the inbuilt one | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It's surprisingly addictive. | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | (though mandates a screen protector) | 23:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | (8450) | 23:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | And the lack of highscore is annoying) | 23:19 |
| nidO | really need the gltron dependencies fixed to give that a shot :< | 23:19 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | does the lack of compass break navigation? | 23:21 |
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| nidO | no | 23:21 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | but it doesnt know which way you are facing no? | 23:22 |
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| cehteh | C-S-B: only when stationary, otherwise it gets direction from movement | 23:24 |
| cehteh | its somewhat nasty, i liked a compass quite much, but well its still useable | 23:24 |
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| MohammadAG | nn everyone | 23:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | C-S-B: assuming you are moving hte way you are facing works fine. Often. | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | C-S-B: It's always true in a car forex - unless you're drifting. | 23:26 |
| C-S-B-N900 | drifting like japan drifting? | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | And while drifting - you should generally not be looking at a navigation device. | 23:27 |
| cehteh | when you hold the device in direction of travel .. but well that could be compensated too | 23:27 |
| nidO | it might be a particularly complex drift circuit... | 23:27 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: otherwise around .. when looking at the device there are chances you become drifting :P | 23:27 |
| C-S-B-N900 | lol | 23:28 |
| cehteh | mhm 2 n900 at opposite ends of the car with differential gyros could detect drifting :P | 23:28 |
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| cehteh | well no gyros either | 23:28 |
| cehteh | accelerometer might do .. but its not precise enouhg | 23:28 |
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| cehteh | actually you need both accelerometer and gyro maybe .. blah | 23:29 |
| C-S-B-N900 | any benefit to using an external gps then? | 23:29 |
| cehteh | no | 23:29 |
| C-S-B-N900 | internal seems pretty good | 23:30 |
| cehteh | well if you are inside some vehicle which doesnt let gps in ... | 23:30 |
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| cehteh | driving in your tank around or so :) | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: you only need one gyro. | 23:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: unless the vehicle is internally twisting | 23:30 |
| cehteh | but i doubt you get good bluetooth connection then too | 23:31 |
| cehteh | the internal is no much fun when you dont get a fix and you dont have network assisted gps | 23:31 |
| cehteh | but still it works with some patience | 23:31 |
| cehteh | when you lost in some jungle, you prolly have the patience to wait for a fix | 23:32 |
| cehteh | (or dont want to pay data roaming in foreign countries) | 23:32 |
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| yigal | why do so few people see the advantage of taking notes with a stylus using a resistive screen? | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | yigal, :) some do but theres lots of arguments against | 23:38 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i dont | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | I dont take notes | 23:39 |
| achipa_irssi | taking notes is so 20th century. but jokes aside, the problem are screen size and that it is too finger friendly | 23:39 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i have seen any pros for capacitive with n900 | 23:39 |
| C-S-B-N900 | but small links with finger is bastard | 23:39 |
| cehteh | there is no good notetaking app yet, a decent xournal (newer version) might do | 23:40 |
| cehteh | i used my newton for notetaking long ago, and small screnn isnt really fun, while i want at least its features for drawning and stuff | 23:40 |
| C-S-B-N900 | how about handwriting recognition. i remember winmo failing epically with that. | 23:41 |
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| cehteh | shape recognition minimum for drawings, handwriting recognition would be nice too | 23:41 |
| dregin | is there a default password on "user" on the N900? | 23:41 |
| cehteh | yeah no one did ever well | 23:41 |
| C-S-B-N900 | nope | 23:41 |
| cehteh | newton was the best and even that wasnt really good | 23:41 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i think you need to set it. | 23:41 |
| C-S-B-N900 | talking of which has anyone set user pw? | 23:42 |
| dregin | hmmm | 23:42 |
| cehteh | but shape recognition for drawings, easy manipulating and grouping is a must | 23:42 |
| cehteh | dregin: no passwords until you install sshd | 23:42 |
| cehteh | and then i'd remcommend to set up key auth instantly and remove passwords again | 23:42 |
| dregin | hah that's why I was about to set a password.... wanted to ssh into the user account to set keys | 23:44 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i have key auth. havent gone as far as removing passwords though, im worried that ill be on a pc and wont be able to login | 23:44 |
| C-S-B-N900 | unless you guys save you .pub to email/server... | 23:44 |
| acidjazz | i carry a nexus one around now since the n900 is awesome but not really a fun | 23:47 |
| acidjazz | fone* | 23:47 |
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| dregin | you came in here to say that? | 23:48 |
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| brody | hi, anyone knows how does kismet.conf have to look like? (The source=type,interface,name line) | 23:50 |
| joker_891 | anyone knows how to hide a form after saving? python | 23:50 |
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| brody | "type" is what i don't know | 23:53 |
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| alterego | joker_891: Qt or Gtk? | 23:54 |
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| joker_891 | s60.. | 23:56 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | brody | 23:59 |
| C-S-B-N900 | interface will be wlan0 | 23:59 |
| brody | C-S-B-N900 good :) | 23:59 |
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