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| mece | evenin' | 00:01 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: crashanddie sleeping has meant my comment hasn't shown up yet. | 00:01 |
| anpr | hey mece are you familiar with pidgin ? | 00:01 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, only found https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180040 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322799 | 00:01 |
| povbot | Bug 180040: was not found. | 00:01 |
| povbot | Bug 322799: was not found. | 00:01 |
| andre__ | povbot, you're stupid | 00:02 |
| povbot | andre__: Error: "you're" is not a valid command. | 00:02 |
| mece | anpr, on my desktop, yes. | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, moderated comments are irritating. | 00:02 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Short version: "using 'this affects me too' as a shortcut for voting seems like a fine idea to me" | 00:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, it's gotta be one click, though. | 00:02 |
| anpr | so it brings all the info from programs like skype and etc ? | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure how difficult it would be to change the voting setup for that. | 00:02 |
| mece | anpr, well the skype part is kinda pointless imo. | 00:02 |
| andre__ | I should probably blog and just link to this post. quite wonderful. | 00:03 |
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| mece | anpr, it needs the real skype software running.. | 00:03 |
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| anpr | but it works on n900, doesn't it ? | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, get ready for commenters asking if you're going to send patches to upstream? :P | 00:04 |
| zChris | This might be a dumb question but is N900 strong enough to play xvids ? | 00:04 |
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| andre__ | hmm? :-) | 00:04 |
| andre__ | zChris, why not? | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | zChris, depends on the resolution and bitrate. | 00:05 |
| zChris | andre__: Well isit strong enough for 720p also? :) | 00:05 |
| andre__ | zChris, do xvids have more weight than other videos? :-P | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | zChris, short answer, though, yes. | 00:05 |
| konfoo | 720p.. come on | 00:05 |
| konfoo | the screen isn't 720p | 00:05 |
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| zChris | konfoo: i was more thinking on the tvout :) | 00:05 |
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| konfoo | ntsc/pal is not 720p | 00:05 |
| Dantonic | hi anyone know if its possible to use mplayer instead of gstreamer in the default media player of the N900? | 00:05 |
| Damion2 | tvout matches the 800x480 for pal at least | 00:05 |
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| zChris | Im drawn between a hero or the n900 | 00:06 |
| zChris | a hero = htc hero :P | 00:06 |
| anpr | zChris | 00:07 |
| konfoo | youre not going to find anyone in marketing on this channel | 00:07 |
| tripzero | zChris, n900 is a more powerful device | 00:07 |
| anpr | ehm, wanna suffer from WM? | 00:07 |
| mece | zChris, well I guess it depends on what you want. It's like choosing between a machete and a rocket launcher. | 00:07 |
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| tripzero | lol | 00:08 |
| anpr | maybe it mayb be more user friendly first... but i have bad feelings to it somehow.. | 00:08 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, as a one-click shortcut; and more prominent; than voting. | 00:08 |
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| mece | - | 00:09 |
| Lumpio- | * | 00:09 |
| Xisdibik | mece: more like a fly swatter, and a nuclear bomb :D | 00:09 |
| anpr | :D:D:D | 00:09 |
| konfoo | is it just me or does using exchange as a mail service seem to suck down battery life | 00:09 |
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| mece | konfoo, I hear it does. | 00:10 |
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| Xisdibik | konfoo: Having my MfE service set to always on, i get better battery life than i would with IMAP at 5/10 and maybe 15 minutes, but less than IMAP set at 30minute + intervals | 00:10 |
| mece | exchange = evil | 00:10 |
| Xisdibik | but i get the benefit of getting my mail right away ;) | 00:10 |
| konfoo | ive been running gmail imap for a while but adding exchange has just hammered the battery life | 00:11 |
| mece | and I mean evil in a bad way, not the nice evil, like Christopher Walken. | 00:11 |
| konfoo | even with the shortest sync thresholds | 00:11 |
| Xisdibik | konfoo: are you syncing with gmail or exchange? | 00:11 |
| konfoo | both (two accounts) | 00:11 |
| Xisdibik | well thats probably why.. as its 2 mail accounts, more battery drain | 00:12 |
| Xisdibik | I synced gmail through IMAP, and now through MfE, so its still just one account | 00:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, think it should be implemented as a patch to the voting system or as another system entirely? | 00:12 |
| Xisdibik | yours is using battery for IMAP. and for MfE, two different protocols afaik | 00:12 |
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| konfoo | i didnt notice much hit with imap, was my point | 00:12 |
| chun1 | Can I use my n900 as a webcam for my pc? | 00:12 |
| konfoo | mfe seems to have impacted it exponentially | 00:12 |
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| Xisdibik | dunno, my phone lasts 24 hours+, so its fine for me | 00:12 |
| konfoo | anyway i'll just remove exchange. hell its only work email ;) | 00:13 |
| Xisdibik | yea who wants work at home :p | 00:13 |
| konfoo | ha exactly | 00:13 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, it should be the voting thing | 00:13 |
| lcuk | no point in having 2 buttons which mean the same thing | 00:14 |
| lcuk | people should only be voting for bugs if they experience em themselves anyway | 00:14 |
| woglinde | he luck | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | and move that damned comment box to the bottom too | 00:14 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: On top of the existing system. | 00:15 |
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| woglinde | lcuk I think you was one row before me at the fosdem in the dsp talk | 00:15 |
| lcuk | cripes, you saw me nearly fallin asleep then o_O | 00:16 |
| * Jaffa beds | 00:16 | |
| woglinde | what was you doing at nite? | 00:16 |
| Damion2 | chun1: I don't know of an app but I think it's technically possible to write that | 00:16 |
| lcuk | woglinde, someone did walk from behind whenthe talk was finished and i was just idling on flow | 00:16 |
| lcuk | woglinde, drinking | 00:17 |
| woglinde | bah | 00:17 |
| lcuk | and actually a bit of work | 00:17 |
| lcuk | and coding | 00:17 |
| hrw|gone | Jaffa: please add dependency on perl to catorise | 00:17 |
| lcuk | and socializing | 00:17 |
| mikhas | lol, lcuk - I saw you there, the talk *was* boring =) | 00:17 |
| lcuk | woglinde, why didnt you say hi | 00:17 |
| woglinde | wasnt sure | 00:17 |
| lcuk | :D mikhas | 00:17 |
| hrw|gone | Jaffa: as now perl+perl-modules are 'free to be removed' on my n900 | 00:18 |
| lcuk | the talk was good | 00:18 |
| Aranel | did anyone notice rebooting on Web app? (not random reboot, only sometimes when using Web) | 00:18 |
| woglinde | hm | 00:18 |
| lcuk | i made tonnes of notes to ask simon about | 00:18 |
| woglinde | hm are you sure? | 00:18 |
| lcuk | i like the principles of dsp | 00:18 |
| Aranel | and is it possible to get log files of crash? | 00:18 |
| woglinde | was mostly about dead dspbridge | 00:18 |
| woglinde | only new was syslink | 00:18 |
| woglinde | I asked Koen about it today | 00:18 |
| lcuk | woglinde, they couldv been talking about belgium truffles | 00:19 |
| woglinde | *g* | 00:19 |
| lcuk | for all i know about dsps | 00:19 |
| lcuk | so if you say it was old ill take your word over mine :D | 00:19 |
| woglinde | hm | 00:20 |
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| lcuk | pupnik was next to me, i wonder if he did a 360 | 00:20 |
| * woglinde was only at 3 talks | 00:20 | |
| frals | hmm, wonder if i should take some screens of my new fancy ui and post a blogpost | 00:20 |
| lcuk | karma whore :P | 00:20 |
| * frals is quite pleased with what the ui designers came up with | 00:20 | |
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| mece | frals, ui for what? | 00:22 |
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| frals | fMMS | 00:22 |
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| mece | frals, :) | 00:23 |
| mece | frals, please do | 00:23 |
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| hcarrega | ora viva | 00:25 |
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| anpr | guys | 00:30 |
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| mece | anpr, ... come sail away, come sail away, come sail away with me... ? | 00:30 |
| anpr | would you mind to help to discuss about hero and n900 ? | 00:31 |
| mece | hero < N900 | 00:31 |
| mece | 'nuff said. | 00:31 |
| anpr | yeah, but zChris wants facts | 00:31 |
| tripzero | tis true | 00:31 |
| tripzero | look at the hardware specs | 00:31 |
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| anpr | why | 00:32 |
| anpr | yeah, but everyday usage, apps, support and etc | 00:32 |
| tripzero | if he wants a bazillion nearly useless apps, get a hero | 00:32 |
| mece | anpr, well int that case, let me quote myself: "mece: hero < N900" | 00:32 |
| mece | ;) | 00:33 |
| zChris | Biger companies behind hero apps though :S | 00:33 |
| anpr | mece i would say myself hero <*n n900 | 00:33 |
| mece | zChris, well, that changes things to this: N900 > Hero | 00:33 |
| zChris | mece: Funneh :P | 00:34 |
| mece | ok seriously though, It's a completely different beast. | 00:34 |
| tripzero | it all depends on what you want to do | 00:34 |
| tripzero | if you want to have a more 'free' experience, get an n900 and hack away | 00:35 |
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| tripzero | if you want to be trendy and locked down, get an android device | 00:35 |
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| mece | naturally I'm speaking for myself. | 00:35 |
| zChris | tripzero: locked down ? | 00:35 |
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| tripzero | zChris, android is more locked down than maemo is | 00:36 |
| mece | This is what it boils down to for me: maemo makes android look like pong. | 00:36 |
| tybollt | hmm | 00:36 |
| tybollt | how do I edit a number that is in the call log? | 00:36 |
| mece | a nice, shiny pong, but pong nevertheless. | 00:36 |
| tybollt | or is it indeed so retarded that I can't do anything about it? | 00:36 |
| tripzero | zChris, ie, try making an app that controls the phone on android. You will find quickly android locks you out of a lot of functionality | 00:37 |
| tlir | there used to be a topic describing how to connect 2 sip calls on maemo 8x0, anyone remembers that? | 00:37 |
| zChris | tripzero: yeah but that dosent affect me that much which ones is abit more open than the other | 00:37 |
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| tripzero | zChris, if you want to be able to play, say xvid or ogg, or any other codec, it does matter | 00:38 |
| zChris | tripzero: Hero cant play xvid or ogg? | 00:38 |
| konfoo | hero is a joke in comparison. come on, i cant believe this conversation is going on | 00:38 |
| mece | zChris, well I guess either one would work fine. If you need MfE on a server that only allows provisional devices, then n900 is not for you :) | 00:38 |
| tripzero | zChris, http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1581 | 00:39 |
| mece | konfoo, hero seems like a nice phone. All shiny and thin... | 00:39 |
| tripzero | http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f10/divx-xvid-14668/ | 00:39 |
| konfoo | ..and vapid | 00:39 |
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| mece | my n900 is my laptop. | 00:39 |
| mece | does android have git? | 00:39 |
| tripzero | does android have ssh-server? | 00:40 |
| konfoo | haha | 00:40 |
| konfoo | sigh | 00:40 |
| zChris | tripzero: not that i use ogg | 00:41 |
| redeeman | my laptop is my laptop | 00:41 |
| tripzero | do you use xvid? | 00:41 |
| tripzero | what about flash? | 00:41 |
| lcuk | does reggie ever come into irc? | 00:41 |
| zChris | tripzero: yes. both of em | 00:41 |
| tripzero | than you may want to double check if android supports them | 00:41 |
| tripzero | i know it doesn't have flash support, at least not on the nexus | 00:41 |
| zChris | it doesnt? | 00:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there an easy way to set from the command line the background image for a desktop? | 00:42 |
| mece | I was playing with my n900 and thought, damn, it would be nice to check out the project directly, and not have to scp it over. So I casually did apt-get install git, not thinking it would find it. Then it did, and my heart fluttered... <3 | 00:42 |
| zChris | tripzero: hero support flash from what i know | 00:42 |
| tripzero | okay, i see that now | 00:42 |
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| tripzero | i wonder why the nexus doesn't have it | 00:42 |
| anpr | guys is it possible to categorise your apps by yourself ? | 00:42 |
| mece | zChris, really? That's pretty cool. | 00:42 |
| anpr | i've downloaded categorise app | 00:42 |
| zChris | mece: how come? | 00:43 |
| anpr | but i didn't really liked it | 00:43 |
| mece | zChris, well flash is nice. I didn't know you could browse flash in hero. | 00:43 |
| tripzero | zChris, last time i heard, android's video playback sucks | 00:43 |
| redeeman | lol flash is not nice | 00:43 |
| tripzero | and the ui has latency issues | 00:44 |
| redeeman | what's wrong with you? | 00:44 |
| mece | redeeman, ok no, it's not. but I do like to have the option, since the world (wide web) is a fracked up place. | 00:44 |
| zChris | redeeman: I like flash when its used right | 00:44 |
| tripzero | zChris, finally, you should probably find a friend that has each and play around with them for a while. see which one you like more | 00:44 |
| redeeman | zChris: theres no such thing | 00:44 |
| zChris | tripzero: Ive tried the hero .. it didnt feel that good | 00:45 |
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| konfoo | anyone coded/ported a ripper for last.fm ? | 00:45 |
| mece | zChris, do you use linux on your pc? | 00:45 |
| zChris | redeeman: are you from c++newbs in qnet? :D | 00:45 |
| redeeman | yes | 00:45 |
| zChris | mece: No | 00:45 |
| Arkenoi | it is flash lite | 00:45 |
| Arkenoi | much like symbian | 00:45 |
| zChris | redeeman: ^^ | 00:46 |
| zChris | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/ <-- good use of flash imo. Awesome | 00:46 |
| Arkenoi | ok for simple video but does not work with complicated apps | 00:46 |
| mece | Arkenoi, ok so hero does _not_ support flash... | 00:46 |
| redeeman | zChris: its physically impossible to properly use flash | 00:46 |
| redeeman | it is an abomination that by all means should be treated as a plague | 00:46 |
| ifreq | zChris: diablo3 is cool site | 00:46 |
| Arkenoi | for most sites (besides games) flash lite is enough | 00:46 |
| zChris | mece: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/articles/htchero.html | 00:47 |
| zChris | Flash 10 for Hero | 00:47 |
| Arkenoi | hmm | 00:47 |
| ifreq | zChris: http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/?rhtml=y | 00:47 |
| ifreq | :) | 00:47 |
| zChris | ifreq: *Drools* BLizzard is very talented in design and graphics :) | 00:47 |
| ifreq | thats cool look | 00:47 |
| tybollt | tripzero: you seriously saying andriod doesn't have sshd? | 00:48 |
| ifreq | yeah :) theyv got money into gfx too :) | 00:48 |
| tripzero | tybollt, does it? | 00:48 |
| tybollt | tripzero: *jaw drop* if it doesnt ;) | 00:48 |
| tripzero | lemme confirm that... | 00:48 |
| tripzero | i saw ssh client in the app store | 00:48 |
| tripzero | but no sshd | 00:48 |
| jebba | it's not running a gnuish system, so i dont think there's bash and such, but i could be off here. | 00:49 |
| ml-maemo | Android's downside is the *nix userland being treated as an also-ran | 00:49 |
| ifreq | jebba: ill agree with you | 00:49 |
| woglinde | busybox | 00:49 |
| ifreq | its more like iphone os in that way :P | 00:49 |
| ml-maemo | heavily favoring the Java sandbox | 00:49 |
| tripzero | tybollt, i'm told that it doesn't have sshd | 00:50 |
| mece | as I mentioned before, pong... | 00:50 |
| konfoo | there is sshd but its complete hackery to get it onto the device | 00:50 |
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| zChris | Are you able to put N900 wlan in monitoring mode btw? And to use injections? | 00:50 |
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| tybollt | mece++ | 00:50 |
| anpr | can i categorise my apps without any specifig app ? | 00:51 |
| woglinde | zChris monitor mode is posible | 00:51 |
| woglinde | with iw tools | 00:51 |
| tybollt | mece: git me yer pong buddy :) | 00:51 |
| ml-maemo | injections? | 00:51 |
| konfoo | injections. lul | 00:51 |
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| mece | flash 10 is nice though. Is that out yet? I mean if you buy a hero, will it have flash 10 installed? | 00:51 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: it's ~mece++ | 00:51 |
| konfoo | come on man, its a handheld device. be realistic | 00:51 |
| tybollt | ~mece++ | 00:51 |
| woglinde | konfoo????? | 00:51 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: the bots all hate me :S | 00:51 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: he just doesn't listen to you | 00:52 |
| * mece does not know what that ++ means | 00:52 | |
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| konfoo | karma | 00:52 |
| zChris | mece: add 1 | 00:52 |
| woglinde | konfoo with the right chipset you can do all the fancy things | 00:52 |
| mece | oh, didn't know you could do that. | 00:52 |
| mece | thanks :) | 00:52 |
| konfoo | woglinde: right but you're wasting your time doing anything more than the basics i.e. youre not going to be brute-forcing using an n900 | 00:53 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, the media player sometimes mess with songs ordering | 00:53 |
| Corsac | wonder why | 00:53 |
| woglinde | konfoo but as I said with iw tools you can clone the dev and set it into monitor mode | 00:54 |
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| woglinde | but thats the only support iw tells | 00:54 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:54 |
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| zChris | Ive heard that the GPS with OVI maps (?) aint that good with the N900 | 00:54 |
| woglinde | zChris yes partly | 00:55 |
| zChris | :/ | 00:55 |
| mece | zChris, yeah, it's craptacular | 00:55 |
| zChris | Isit the hardware or the software thats the problem ? | 00:55 |
| konfoo | the software | 00:56 |
| mece | zChris, soft. | 00:56 |
| zChris | Who develops the software? Nokia themself? | 00:56 |
| dotblank | Hello people.. I installed mplayer but it still plays divx/xvid files rather choppy. Is there a way to increase the performance I tried -framedrop but that really didn't do much | 00:56 |
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| konfoo | reencode the source files | 00:56 |
| dotblank | konfoo, :( | 00:56 |
| konfoo | download lower resolution rips? :P | 00:56 |
| dotblank | its just divx.. nothing special.. | 00:57 |
| mece | zChris, well yeah, but they seem to have given up on the N900 in the navigation area. There's some other company that's offering a navigation solution for much €€ though. | 00:57 |
| konfoo | what resolution/codecs? | 00:57 |
| dotblank | my palm troe played movies better then this did tho | 00:57 |
| woglinde | he | 00:57 |
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| zChris | mece: :/ | 00:57 |
| woglinde | and I am working on navit | 00:57 |
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| dotblank | h/o let me find it | 00:57 |
| zChris | HTC hd 2 > N900 ? | 00:57 |
| dotblank | VIDEO: [XVID] 592x240 12bpp 25.000 fps 908.0 kbps (110.8 kbyte/s) | 00:58 |
| dotblank | Clip info: | 00:58 |
| dotblank | Software: VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2 (build 2540/release) | 00:58 |
| dotblank | ========================================================================== | 00:58 |
| dotblank | Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family | 00:58 |
| dotblank | Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4) | 00:58 |
| mece | LOOOOL | 00:58 |
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| -niven.freenode.net- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | 01:07 | |
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| anpr | hmmm | 01:08 |
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| anpr | and it is ? | 01:08 |
| konfoo | patience young grasshopper | 01:08 |
| dotblank | So I got the ps3 DS3 to work.. it is very very nice | 01:08 |
| dotblank | Much better replacement for the wiimote | 01:09 |
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| mece | anpr, MyMenu | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | how to import gadu-gadu buddy list on n900? | 01:09 |
| mece | anpr, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39141 | 01:09 |
| mece | jacekowski, is it not automagical when adding the account? | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | no | 01:11 |
| anpr | mece is it in app manager ? | 01:11 |
| mece | jacekowski, does it connect (I'm just speculating here, since I don't even know what gadugadu is) :D | 01:11 |
| frals | so err, what tag do i need to add so planet-maemo actually cuts my post above my image spam? | 01:11 |
| mece | anpr, perhaps.. | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | yes it does | 01:12 |
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| mece | anpr, It's in extras-testing | 01:13 |
| Aijse | Any mac users have experience with N900? Like does iSync work well? with icallender? contacts? as a remote? thank in advance | 01:13 |
| anpr | huh, so i can not download it directly from my phone ? | 01:13 |
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| mece | anpr, well if you don't know what it means that it's in extras-testing then I don't think you should, no. | 01:13 |
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| Shadikka | Aijse: There's a testing-grade iSync plugin for the N900 | 01:15 |
| Shadikka | Works quite well for me. | 01:15 |
| mece | anpr, go here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing and read the red box first. Then the rest. | 01:15 |
| Aijse | Shadika, what did u manage to sync? calenders contacts ...? | 01:16 |
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| dotblank | Is there a way to create a virtual cd rom device so that when you plug it into an old pc (no usb boot support) it can load a selected iso image? | 01:18 |
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| mece | dotblank, you mean like the sdk on a live cd? | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | no. | 01:20 |
| tank-man | mount with the loop option | 01:20 |
| dotblank | mece, sure why not.. or a system recovery disk.. the point is to have many isos and is user selectable | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | He (or she) means a USB-cdrom driver | 01:20 |
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| dotblank | yea exactly | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | so the n900 acts like a cdrom | 01:20 |
| dotblank | USB-cdrom driver | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, it's 'just' another USB gadget driver. | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't however know if it's been implemented. | 01:21 |
| mece | ooh. I see. | 01:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or if it is - if the module is included in the kernel - prolly not. | 01:21 |
| dotblank | it would be like any virtual cdrom program.. allows you to mount and umount while it is plugged in | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Though that could be fixed | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | there is certainly no UI | 01:21 |
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| dotblank | Could just make a new entry in the options pop up when it is plugged in.. | 01:22 |
| dotblank | like Virtual CD-Rom | 01:22 |
| dotblank | then you would use either something in settings to manage it or another app altogether | 01:22 |
| frals | unrelated, but pretty badass http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/09/androgynous-person-robs-bank-with-crossbow/ | 01:22 |
| dotblank | http://markmail.org/message/x2kmf3vfixap4ocu | 01:24 |
| dotblank | seems liek there was a patch to enable this functionality | 01:24 |
| * mece just realized that frals är svensk! OMG! | 01:24 | |
| crashanddie | not as impressive, but much funnier: http://feeds.reuters.com/%7Er/reuters/oddlyEnoughNews/%7E3/GJ67tKnqMCQ/idUSTRE6183IR20100209 <-- Thief robs arcade with cup of coffee | 01:24 |
| frals | mece: the ".se" in my domain tipped you off? ;-) | 01:24 |
| Aijse | "alskar sverige! | 01:25 |
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| mece | frals, quite. | 01:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | The file_storage gadget driver seems to suport emulation of a CD from an image on a cursory reading | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | Jag larde mig svenska | 01:25 |
| dotblank | is this path included in the gadget driver currently in the n900? | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | dotblank: So it seems plausible. | 01:26 |
| redeeman | jävla svenskara | 01:26 |
| dotblank | patch* | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | dotblank: it's not a parch - it's part of the kernel | 01:26 |
| frals | hehe, swedish is the new world language i heard :rolleyes: | 01:26 |
| dotblank | ok | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | oldpatch is old. | 01:26 |
| dotblank | So what would it take to enable it | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | nha, it's only that the chicks are hot so people get all the bonuses they can | 01:26 |
| frals | crashanddie: good point | 01:27 |
| * mece is a finn whose main language is swedish... | 01:27 | |
| dotblank | What would be really cool is if you can burn CDs and it will save a .iso on your phone | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | dotblank: building that module for the kernel, installing it, and adding a GUI to configure it | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/373225236_8c66202514_o.jpg <-- swedish! | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | dotblank: it won't be able to do that. you could add that funcitonality in in principle. | 01:28 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, isn't php Finnish... | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: ? | 01:29 |
| mece | err sorry wrong person.. | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:29 |
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| * mece meant crashanddie, isn't php Finnish... | 01:30 | |
| SpeedEvil | the keys are right next to each other. | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | danish if I remember correctly | 01:30 |
| mece | crashanddie, oh yes, right you are. I was confusing it with something else.. | 01:32 |
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| mece | oh well. It's been swell, but the swelling's gone down. I'm out. | 01:37 |
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| crashanddie | anyone here posting on maemo planet? | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | if so, do you guys know why my feed doesn't provide any snippet of my post? It just shows the title and that's it | 01:39 |
| frals | im aggregated | 01:39 |
| frals | i got the opposite problem, it shows the whole post instead of cutting at the <more> mark :P | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | what <more> mark? | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | you're supposed to have a <more> mark? | 01:40 |
| frals | uh, wordpress got some <more> tag or such if you look at http://blog.frals.se | 01:40 |
| frals | dont think so, as planet-maemo just ignores it.. :P | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | hmm... I'm using blogger | 01:41 |
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| crashanddie | know of any aggregated blog that uses blogger? | 01:41 |
| crashanddie | found one | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, 1000 words is usually the cutoff | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | but the logic for doing snippets and cutoff seems very broken | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Patches welcome, I suppose. | 01:44 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 01:44 |
| crashanddie | I don't understand why it doesn't show *anything* | 01:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles hasn't looked at the code. | 01:44 | |
| lcuk | the planet feed processor shows whats in the rss doesnt it? ie if the rss sends out 100 words then thats all you get? | 01:46 |
| lcuk | slashdot throws out walls of text | 01:46 |
| lcuk | planet doesnt alter them! | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, does too. | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or should | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Usually | 01:46 |
| Dantonic | :( | 01:47 |
| * lcuk aggregates crashan<more> | 01:47 | |
| crashanddie | I think I gave the wrong link to X-Fade yesterday | 01:48 |
| crashanddie | or well, he gave it to himself, tbh :P | 01:48 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: not around anymore? | 01:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, what do you think? :P | 01:49 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: jaja | 01:51 |
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| anpr | guys which brand of laptos do you prefer ( except apple ) ? :) | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | none | 02:00 |
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| anpr | only PCs ? | 02:00 |
| frals | im happy with my dell, has served me great the last 2 years :P | 02:00 |
| konfoo | on my second sony at home, works great | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | anpr: actually, I'd go for one of those Loongson laptops probably | 02:01 |
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| anpr | luke-jr what's that ? | 02:01 |
| woglinde | mips cpu | 02:01 |
| anpr | never heard of those | 02:02 |
| luke-jr | Loongson is a MIPS CPU with acceleration for x86 emulation | 02:02 |
| ml-maemo | It's china's first attempt at a homegrown CPU | 02:03 |
| crashanddie | anpr: apple :P | 02:03 |
| luke-jr | http://www.lemote.com/english/yeeloong.html | 02:03 |
| poitsu | cool stuff luke-jr ty | 02:03 |
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| lcuk | luke-jr :) | 02:05 |
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| crashanddie | anpr: I really like the Apple ones I have to say, latest gen of macbook pro's are very sturdy, well finished and you can get one for $1000 | 02:05 |
| crashanddie | which is hardly any monies these days | 02:05 |
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| lcuk | perspective | 02:05 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: they're x86 crap | 02:06 |
| ml-maemo | I don't see anything regarding x86 execution though | 02:06 |
| luke-jr | and for $1000 I'd want something much smaller | 02:06 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: smaller? | 02:06 |
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| * lcuk beds | 02:06 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk: night mate | 02:06 |
| lcuk | gnite seb | 02:06 |
| luke-jr | ml-maemo: my bad, that laptop only has Loongson-2 | 02:07 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: have time to look at one picture? | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | ml-maemo: x86 accel is new with 3 | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: pocket-sized | 02:07 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: then you're not looking at laptops, numbnuts | 02:07 |
| anpr | heh, but i am used to windows OS | 02:07 |
| ml-maemo | ahh, those are the systems RMS likes | 02:07 |
| lcuk | crashanddie | 02:07 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4343015069/sizes/l/ | 02:07 |
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| konfoo | rms. haha. sigh | 02:08 |
| crashanddie | ~konfoo++ | 02:08 |
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| ml-maemo | nothing special about MIPS though | 02:09 |
| konfoo | the only thing rms needs is a bath | 02:09 |
| ml-maemo | not terribly fast, either | 02:09 |
| poitsu | nice pic crashanddie | 02:09 |
| luke-jr | ml-maemo: compared to x86, it sure is | 02:09 |
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| luke-jr | ah, Loongson-3 uses a lot more power :x | 02:10 |
| crashanddie | thanks poitsu | 02:10 |
| luke-jr | well, relative I guess | 02:10 |
| ml-maemo | I'm sure a modern x86 chip at 1GHz would outperform the longsoon2 | 02:10 |
| lcuk | indeed seb, its great. did you/can you climb it? | 02:10 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I could, but I didn't | 02:11 |
| luke-jr | Loongson-2 was only 1.2 GHz single-core; Loongson-3 is 1 GHz quad-core | 02:11 |
| lcuk | shame, if you return get the inverse shot back down | 02:11 |
| luke-jr | ml-maemo: highly unlikely | 02:11 |
| luke-jr | ml-maemo: x86 is terrible | 02:11 |
| lcuk | use n900 too! | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: it was a spyshot, just stopped on the side of the road | 02:11 |
| poitsu | unusually good contrast in the clouds | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | poitsu: I "enhanced" the picture | 02:12 |
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| poitsu | ah, gave the sky a bit of manual HDR ? :) | 02:12 |
| poitsu | i've done that | 02:12 |
| crashanddie | lemme dig up the original | 02:12 |
| ml-maemo | luke-jr: high end P3s/low end P4s ran at 1GHz too, so it's currently equal to 3 gens prior x86 tech | 02:13 |
| crashanddie | poitsu: http://imagebin.org/84064 | 02:13 |
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| poitsu | ah thanks! | 02:13 |
| luke-jr | ml-maemo: fail | 02:14 |
| luke-jr | ml-maemo: 1 GHz x86 is like 200 MHz anything else | 02:14 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, thats even better | 02:14 |
| ml-maemo | oh? | 02:14 |
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| ml-maemo | and the page you linked states just that | 02:14 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, its not that much difference | 02:14 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: I'm exaggerating obviously :P | 02:15 |
| lcuk | yes, and im sleepircing | 02:15 |
| lcuk | gnite | 02:15 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: how about you stop trolling about it | 02:15 |
| poitsu | nite lcuk | 02:15 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: I mean, seriously. x86 is here to stay, I'm not saying it's the best for mobile, but a laptop isn't exactly mobile. It's a compromise between reasonable performance and software availability and portability | 02:15 |
| lcuk | gnite pupnik | 02:16 |
| crashanddie | whereas with a new (or old, but unpopular) architecture you need to build a whole new framework, there are no available tools and it just sucks because it's not mature enouh | 02:16 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: no reason to use x86 when you can just pack a bunch of ARM/MIPS/etc in the same power/space | 02:17 |
| crashanddie | s/uh/ugh/ | 02:17 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: whereas with a new (or old, but unpopular) architecture you need to build a whole new framework, there are no available tools and it just sucks because it's not mature enough | 02:17 |
| luke-jr | nonsense | 02:17 |
| luke-jr | just recompile everything | 02:17 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: you're an idiot. | 02:17 |
| luke-jr | nou | 02:17 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: the world doesn't revolve around code that compiles seamlessly on every architecture in the world | 02:18 |
| crashanddie | and if you fail to understand that, what the fuck are you doing here? | 02:18 |
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| ml-maemo | building a mips kernel is a bitch | 02:18 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: all half-sane code compiles seamlessly on every architecture GCC supports | 02:18 |
| luke-jr | minus platform-specific stuff like kernels :) | 02:18 |
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| openstandards | luke-jr, the only thing that offers is a better bios thats why RMS likes it | 02:19 |
| luke-jr | openstandards: from RMS's perspective, sure | 02:20 |
| ml-maemo | in any case, only real threat to x86 is ARM | 02:20 |
| openstandards | x86 is much more compatible | 02:20 |
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| luke-jr | openstandards: compatible? just recompile everything | 02:21 |
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| openstandards | luke-jr, you don't always have the source code to recompile | 02:21 |
| luke-jr | openstandards: I don't use what I don't have source for. | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | I don't believe x86 is under any threat | 02:21 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 02:22 | |
| timeless_mbp | who pinged me? | 02:22 |
| openstandards | and why would one recompile all the time rather pick up a distro i can use straight away | 02:22 |
| crashanddie | as much as LPARs aren't under threat from x86 | 02:22 |
| luke-jr | openstandards: you recompile once, not all the time. | 02:22 |
| poitsu | it's still cool seeing the chinese making cpus | 02:22 |
| crashanddie | rather than taiwaneese children? | 02:23 |
| openstandards | luke-jr, seems to much hassle if you ask me and poitsu the chinese are trying to make a super computer.... | 02:23 |
| luke-jr | openstandards: my system compiles everything anyway. there's no new hassle | 02:23 |
| poitsu | https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=1961 Google considering entering agreement with NSA. Petition them to not do it! | 02:23 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: fwiw, i generally get his nick name, unless it tab completes :/ | 02:24 |
| openstandards | poitsu, http://techie-buzz.com/linux-news/chinas-supercomputer-linux.html | 02:25 |
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| * timeless_mbp goes to read http://arrogantandcondescending.blogspot.com/2010/02/me-too.html | 02:26 | |
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| konfoo | poitsu: why | 02:29 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes crashanddie | 02:29 | |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: in that article, "out a few hundreds of . You’re wrong" | 02:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you seem to be missing something before that period :( | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: that article is totally screwed up | 02:30 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: so... | 02:30 |
| konfoo | the aclu amuses me greatly | 02:30 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: oh, stupid blogger didn't like my <insert currency here> | 02:30 |
| timeless_mbp | konfoo: why? | 02:30 |
| konfoo | see re google/aclu deal | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | url? | 02:31 |
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| konfoo | ^ | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | is Marius Gedminas on irc? | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | povbot, etc. | 02:32 |
| povbot | GeneralAntilles: Error: "etc." is not a valid command. | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but i don't see mgedmin in the channel | 02:33 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: fixed | 02:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, he's offline, I suppose. | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: please note that voting does mean in general 'spam me' | 02:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | so it's really just a matter of changing the ui for voting to be easier for normal users | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | but please keep in mind that voting can either be boolean or weighted | 02:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | 'me too' ui's only work for boolean | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: so... i see absolutely nothing wrong w/ the post | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i do think you were actually one of the people i saw who posted an objectionable bug /somewhere/ | 02:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | while i was reviewing that thread | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i was meaning to verify that it was you | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | (don't ask me the url, or even which bug database, i'm fried) | 02:35 |
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| jebba | anyone know what xorg.conf might need to see touchscreen? (outside of maemo) | 02:36 |
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| ml-maemo | and Micron just bought my employer... hmmmmmm | 02:38 |
| poitsu | konfoo: i really don't know where to begin answering your question. perhaps you could google "warrantless wiretapping" while you still can | 02:38 |
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| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: I told luke-jr he was an idiot for being so narrow-minded, he didn't like it, which is probably why he doesn't like the article | 02:39 |
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| luke-jr | grr, the comment is broken -.- | 02:44 |
| luke-jr | "Your request could not be processed. Please try again." | 02:44 |
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| luke-jr | there, now it submitted | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | meh, after approval-- wonder how censored the blog comments are | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | grr, and their blog prevents me from going back to copy it for myself | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | The blog own rewrites all submitted comments, obviously. | 02:48 |
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| luke-jr | who is "Sebastian"? | 02:48 |
| rokabout | I'm trying to learn how to build apps to run on maemo 5 - anyone willing to answer a question? - I've built the qt tutorial address book app fine on my desktop and fine under the maemo 5 scratchbox - I can even run it there - I just can't enter text into it's fields - I suspect some sort of input method issue - perhaps even easily fixed by installing another package in scratchbox - Any ideas? | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | One evil bastard | 02:48 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: is he on IRC? | 02:48 |
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| konfoo | poitsu: yes lets just randomly associate everything | 02:48 |
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| konfoo | maybe google should get off the internet, being that it is built on a military network to start off with? | 02:49 |
| poitsu | you should read up on the qwest story | 02:49 |
| konfoo | which qwest story is this | 02:49 |
| poitsu | how they refused the warrantless wiretaps | 02:50 |
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| rokabout | everything I've read seems to indicate the qt widgets should somehow just do the right thing for the platform they were built on - i;m not trying to use hildonized versions - just plain qt | 02:50 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: that's me | 02:50 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: in the event you don't allow my comment, please at least return the text to me? | 02:51 |
| luke-jr | thanks | 02:51 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: interesting comment, though you said exactly what I said some people would say ;) | 02:51 |
| rokabout | (as far as I know) - my main guide has been http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon#Installing_Qt_packages_in_Scratchbox | 02:51 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: your argument against it is illogical though | 02:52 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: nha, it's published, the only ones I don't publish are spam or "omfg lol a lot to read" and "stop using latin you fucker" | 02:52 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: just because someone gives a homeless guy a sandwich doesn't mean you suddenly didn't pay for the one you bought at the market | 02:52 |
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| crashanddie | that's a terrible argument | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | maybe I should have said that | 02:53 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: my argument was that you can download maemo freely | 02:53 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: you don't need to buy an N900 to get access to it | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | and that is irrelevant | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | and in fact, you can't | 02:53 |
| crashanddie | no it isn't | 02:53 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: http://mxr.maemo.org/ | 02:54 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: that's Maemo? or just select parts? | 02:54 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: http://maemo.gitorious.org/ | 02:54 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: it's only using that that a chinese manufacturer released a non-nokia maemo device | 02:55 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, even if someone *could* download Maemo freely, that doesn't change the fact that I paid for it. | 02:55 |
| crashanddie | I never said it did, but doesn't entitle you to yell at the community | 02:55 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: as someone else said, it's not really Maemo any more than Mer is | 02:55 |
| luke-jr | sure | 02:55 |
| jacekowski | you didn't | 02:55 |
| jacekowski | maemo is free | 02:55 |
| jacekowski | you paid for device that runs it | 02:56 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: I'll definitely concede that-- it's not the community's fault. | 02:56 |
| jacekowski | + some device specific modifications | 02:56 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: free != gratis | 02:56 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: anyhow, *someone* paid for the development of it | 02:56 |
| luke-jr | that cost was included in the devices | 02:56 |
| crashanddie | that is my main problem; not so much the moaning, as I clarified in the comments, but the problem that with non-technical people comes a disruptiveness of sorts, regardless if it is in complaints, or ideology | 02:56 |
| jacekowski | well, lot of development was made on other platforms | 02:57 |
| jacekowski | it's linux in the end | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: if it was really Linux in the end, it wouldn't be a problem nearly so much | 02:57 |
| konfoo | i always thought dealdatabase had the right idea when it came to non technical users | 02:57 |
| konfoo | they created a subforum called 'the sewer' | 02:57 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: it's a linux | 02:57 |
| konfoo | and banished any idiots and their posts to it | 02:57 |
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| crashanddie | konfoo: the same idea has been bounced on tmo as well | 02:59 |
| crashanddie | konfoo: the problem as far as I can tell it is that people are really anal about the whole "open" thingy | 02:59 |
| crashanddie | causing a lot more trouble than good, imho | 02:59 |
| konfoo | crashanddie: all i can say is it helped. i spent a lot of time fielding useless messages for the tivo TY decoder in vlc | 02:59 |
| crashanddie | people want to be in charge, want to make decisions, even if they are utterly inept to do so | 02:59 |
| jacekowski | i don't really care if it's open free or whatever | 03:00 |
| konfoo | oh nod, popularity contest amongst the inept | 03:00 |
| jacekowski | as long as it works | 03:00 |
| * rokabout just wants to write some code | 03:00 | |
| jacekowski | install SDK and start writing | 03:00 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 03:01 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: it's on some diverged branch of Linux 2.6.21 | 03:01 |
| crashanddie | so in their opinion, everyone ought to be able to express their opinion, no matter how stupid or insulting it is | 03:01 |
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| jacekowski | sleep time | 03:01 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: well it's 2.6.28 | 03:01 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: N900 maybe | 03:01 |
| konfoo | crashanddie: development-specific threads should have zero tolerance | 03:01 |
| rokabout | jacekowski: I did, followed the nice qt addressbook tutorial - text fields don't work in maemo 5 scratchbox :-( | 03:01 |
| rokabout | I'm sure it's something simple... | 03:01 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: most parts of kernel are vanilia | 03:01 |
| crashanddie | konfoo: try to explain that to anyone in Community | 03:01 |
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| crashanddie | konfoo: last time I did I was hit on with clubs | 03:02 |
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| rokabout | any ideas? | 03:02 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: N8x0 is 2.6.21 and not practical to port to mainline | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: and there is a lot of device specific drivers added | 03:02 |
| konfoo | crashanddie: hey i hear u - it's just extremely counterproductive to have to wade through for what in all intent purposes is sewage.. in order to find the 3 posts in a 200-post thread that actually are relevant to the topic | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: but that would be all reall in terms of mods made to vanilia kernel | 03:03 |
| jacekowski | i'm going to sleep | 03:03 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: and that's the key important things | 03:03 |
| luke-jr | that hold N8x0 back from running (mainline/real) Linux | 03:03 |
| jacekowski | IT IS REAL LINUX | 03:03 |
| luke-jr | no, it's a diverged branch | 03:04 |
| luke-jr | if it was real Linux, I could upgrade it to the latest version | 03:04 |
| jacekowski | then do it | 03:04 |
| luke-jr | can't. | 03:04 |
| jacekowski | but nobody merged drivers | 03:04 |
| luke-jr | I would need to port their 2.6.21 cruft | 03:04 |
| luke-jr | exactly | 03:04 |
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| jacekowski | but for starters | 03:05 |
| jacekowski | why would you need new kernel? | 03:05 |
| luke-jr | because nothing recent supports ancient stuff like 2.6.21 anymore | 03:05 |
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| luke-jr | because 2.6.32 includes ramzswap | 03:06 |
| konfoo | define nothing? | 03:06 |
| jacekowski | everything supports 2.6.21 | 03:06 |
| luke-jr | udev | 03:06 |
| luke-jr | does not run on 2.6.21 anymore | 03:06 |
| jacekowski | omfg | 03:06 |
| jacekowski | udev on a phone? | 03:07 |
| luke-jr | ... | 03:07 |
| luke-jr | it's not a phone | 03:07 |
| luke-jr | it's a handheld computer | 03:07 |
| luke-jr | I run KDE 4.3 too. | 03:07 |
| jacekowski | besides, there is no difference between latest udev and udev supporting 2.6.21 | 03:07 |
| luke-jr | hah | 03:07 |
| tripzero | iirc, kernels 2.6.28+ have fastboot patches that make booting faster | 03:07 |
| luke-jr | explain that one | 03:07 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: 2.6.21 has known exploits, too ;) | 03:08 |
| jacekowski | patched | 03:08 |
| luke-jr | and again, ramzswap | 03:08 |
| tripzero | ext4? | 03:08 |
| luke-jr | ext4 is useless on a handheld | 03:08 |
| tripzero | nilfs | 03:08 |
| luke-jr | :) | 03:08 |
| luke-jr | ramzswap is the big thing for me | 03:08 |
| luke-jr | 128 MB RAM is far less useful than 196 MB RAM | 03:09 |
| poitsu | merging things upstream and customizing for user experience seem to be inherently conflicting goals | 03:09 |
| poitsu | with these devices | 03:09 |
| luke-jr | poitsu: what gives you that impression? | 03:09 |
| jacekowski | ramzswap is an ugly hack | 03:09 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: if it were still an ugly hack, it wouldn't be in mainline | 03:09 |
| luke-jr | regardless, it works | 03:10 |
| luke-jr | and improves things | 03:10 |
| jacekowski | they've added lot of ugly hacks into mainline | 03:10 |
| jacekowski | OOM killer for example | 03:10 |
| jacekowski | or fuse | 03:10 |
| luke-jr | ... | 03:10 |
| luke-jr | every OS has an OOM killer | 03:10 |
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| poitsu | luke-jr: take for example hildon. Would it have been practical for maemo and nokia to have worked that featureset into gtk in 2005-2006? | 03:10 |
| luke-jr | poitsu: no clue, I couldn't care less about GTK | 03:10 |
| jacekowski | but linux oom killer is really ugly | 03:10 |
| jacekowski | and not really | 03:11 |
| luke-jr | poitsu: and it's not like it has to be in mainline releases the day they ship | 03:11 |
| jacekowski | windows don't have oom killer | 03:11 |
| GAN900 | poitsu, no, half the Hildon patches were deemed unacceptable anyway. | 03:11 |
| GAN900 | Er, maemo-gtk | 03:11 |
| jacekowski | windows don't have overcommit support so there is no risk of running out of memory | 03:11 |
| poitsu | the answer is "no" | 03:11 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: if Nokia worked with the GTK devs at the time they were writing it, they could have figured something out I'm sure | 03:11 |
| jacekowski | as it will not allocate more memory than it has | 03:11 |
| poitsu | luke-jr: you do have a unique view on many things | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, they did, they didn't. | 03:12 |
| jacekowski | and it's kernel developers fault that these drivers are not integrated into mainline | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/,/;/2 | 03:12 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: not exactly. | 03:13 |
| jacekowski | they integrate all kinds of crap | 03:13 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: one of the core busses (CBUS) will need to be completely rewritten for mainline | 03:13 |
| luke-jr | and many other things depend on that | 03:13 |
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| jacekowski | they integrated barely working graphic acceleration | 03:13 |
| jacekowski | because there was nothing better | 03:13 |
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| jacekowski | same goes for alsa | 03:13 |
| jacekowski | libata | 03:14 |
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| jacekowski | and progressed it in future | 03:14 |
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| jacekowski | but it was already in mainline | 03:14 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: if Nokia wants to advertise running Linux, they should do the work to get support for the device into Linux. | 03:15 |
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| jacekowski | they run linux | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | My contacts stream on Flickr is qgil, sjgadsby, timsamoff, pycage, and a more non-Maemo people with pictures of snow . . . and crashanddie with his hot weather. | 03:16 |
| jacekowski | all user programs ( not userland ) are fully compatible | 03:16 |
| jacekowski | you can run any linux program as long as you compile it for arm | 03:16 |
| jacekowski | i would say thats enough to say it's running linux | 03:16 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: Linux is what Linus (and those he delegates older versions to) release | 03:17 |
| jacekowski | so then there is no linux at all | 03:17 |
| jebba | woo hoo! I have fedora running with wifi and xorg on N900 now :) | 03:17 |
| poitsu | got your X pointer worked out jebba ? | 03:17 |
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| jacekowski | every single pretending to be linux distro runs non vanilia kernel | 03:17 |
| jebba | poitsu: yes. Copied over HAL files | 03:18 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: every single major Linux*-based* OS can run with a vanilla kernel | 03:18 |
| redeeman | jacekowski: there are plenty of distributiosn running kernels compiled from nonmodified sources from kernel.org | 03:18 |
| poitsu | congrats jebba ... youtube for the prize | 03:18 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: regardless of how patched their branch is, it's not required | 03:18 |
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| jacekowski | you are wrong | 03:18 |
| jebba | hah | 03:18 |
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| jacekowski | there is at least one distro that's not going to run on vanilia kernel | 03:19 |
| luke-jr | if Fedora needs their own branch now, I don't care... my point still stands | 03:19 |
| redeeman | it doesn't | 03:19 |
| redeeman | you can boot kernel.org kernels | 03:19 |
| redeeman | and many do | 03:19 |
| poitsu | why does anyone care about what you care about luke-jr? can you try to make your cares understandable to the rest of us? | 03:19 |
| jacekowski | you can run maemo using stock kernel | 03:19 |
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| jacekowski | you can run stock kernel on nokia device | 03:20 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: nope | 03:20 |
| poitsu | you keep saying "i don't care about that". wow. | 03:20 |
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| jacekowski | however you will lack support for some devices | 03:20 |
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| luke-jr | poitsu: these are real problems | 03:20 |
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| jacekowski | and in my laptop at the moment - i need external modules for wifi, graphic and webcam, and sonypi management chip | 03:21 |
| jebba | jacekowski: you can't run stock kernel on N900. You don't even get touchscreen. | 03:21 |
| jacekowski | so it "boots" stock kernel | 03:21 |
| redeeman | jacekowski: your laptop probably didn't say it runs linux | 03:21 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: if so, your manuf shouldn't advertise supported by Linux | 03:21 |
| jacekowski | find me one device that's fully supported by linux | 03:21 |
| jebba | jacekowski: i dont think it even boots stock kernel at all. | 03:21 |
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| jacekowski | with all it's featured already builtin | 03:22 |
| jebba | jacekowski: my thinkpad seems fine. | 03:22 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: uh, my computer at least | 03:22 |
| jacekowski | jebba: it boots stock kernel | 03:22 |
| redeeman | my laptop | 03:22 |
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| jebba | not at the moment. booting fedora. but stock kernel works fine. | 03:22 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: Gentoo's branch/fork of Linux is strictly bugfixes | 03:22 |
| jacekowski | redeeman: what graphic card you've got | 03:22 |
| redeeman | jacekowski: R300 | 03:22 |
| luke-jr | so I can say with confidence that vanilla would also run | 03:22 |
| jebba | i've frequently run stock kernels on my thinkpads + fedora. | 03:22 |
| jacekowski | redeeman: there is no drivers in mainline for it | 03:23 |
| redeeman | jacekowski: that's not true | 03:23 |
| jacekowski | fully working drivers | 03:23 |
| redeeman | jacekowski: the DRM part is in the kernel and has been for years | 03:23 |
| redeeman | the other stuff is obviously in mesa | 03:23 |
| redeeman | my other laptop has intel G965 | 03:24 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: except for bleeding edge, ATi cards are supported by mainline Linux+X.org+Mesa | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | including 3D acceleration | 03:24 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: and udev not working on older kernels means only that linux API is really unstable | 03:25 |
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| Aijse | 3D acceleration is very poor for not that new cards | 03:25 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: nobody said it was stable. | 03:25 |
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| jacekowski | anyways | 03:26 |
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| luke-jr | Aijse: well, I have the best 3D accel for Linux :p | 03:26 |
| jacekowski | i'm going to sleep | 03:26 |
| luke-jr | Radeon X850 | 03:26 |
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| redeeman | luke-jr: i have an X1800 or whatever its called, im not using it though | 03:26 |
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| redeeman | luke-jr: but in the latest stuff theres quite decent support on R600 | 03:26 |
| luke-jr | redeeman: cool; I bet it doesn't support my PC :p | 03:27 |
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| zerojay | Packaging gurus... what should I use as a dependency if my package just requires Media Player and nothing else? | 03:33 |
| crashanddie | mediaplayer | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | is the name of the package | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | version 1.1 and above, i guess | 03:35 |
| zerojay | ok, wasn't sure. | 03:35 |
| crashanddie | zerojay: dpkg -l | grep mediaplayer | 03:35 |
| zerojay | yeah, you got it. | 03:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1265767804150.jpg :) (worksafe) | 04:13 |
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| ptl | I just got my N900 and when I update the list of applications it says applications list partially updated, some catalogues unavailable, and in the details it says couldn't resolve downloads.maemo.nokia.com for any internet connection I use. | 04:17 |
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| ptl | how do I solve this? | 04:17 |
| poitsu | that was a well written question | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | ptl, that repository could just be down. | 04:18 |
| ptl | but it can't resolve the name, GeneralAntilles | 04:19 |
| ptl | and I did a dns lookup here right now and it resolved | 04:19 |
| doubleukay | hmm | 04:19 |
| RevAaron | I've been toying with the idea of getting an N900... I pulled out my N800 out of the closest. Is the N900 a substantial improvement, software-wise? I remembered why I had stopped using the N800 in the first place- web browsing is painfully slow. People seem to review the N900 well, but that seems to be the case with the N800 as well- I'm having a hard time distinguishing between fact and wishful thinking with these reviews. | 04:19 |
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| ptl | RevAaron: try the emulator | 04:19 |
| zerojay | hmm... using py2deb.. and my package is entirely contained within the preinstall/preremove scripts.. no actual files are installed anywhere, just changes made to a database... but py2deb is bitching about there being no files defined in src. Something I'm doing wrong or should I just install a dummy file to make it happy? | 04:20 |
| ptl | RevAaron: I just got my N900 and it is quite fast | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | N900 has best-in-class web browsing. | 04:20 |
| poitsu | web browsing is a lot faster RevAaron | 04:20 |
| RevAaron | ptl: very good idea! I hadn't even thought of that. :P | 04:20 |
| doubleukay | ptl: can you try open up an xterm and run: host downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | RevAaron: look on youtube | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | RevAaron: for example | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not an emulator | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | RevAaron, the N900 is worlds better than N800. | 04:20 |
| doubleukay | ptl: and is dns resolution ok for other stuff? eg web browsing | 04:20 |
| RevAaron | SpeedEvil: I'll look a bit more. I'd found a lot of simpler demos, but nothing too demanding. | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | it's a development environment that is not intended to replicate the UI of the phone | 04:20 |
| ptl | doubleukay: yes | 04:20 |
| ptl | I'll try doing the command, hadn't thought of that. | 04:21 |
| ptl | oh | 04:21 |
| ptl | I can't | 04:21 |
| ptl | I am in the middle of an update right now | 04:21 |
| ptl | I'll try it later... thanks | 04:21 |
| RevAaron | hrmm | 04:21 |
| doubleukay | a firmware update? | 04:21 |
| doubleukay | hope yours doesn't crash and reboot 5 times like mine did! :) | 04:21 |
| RevAaron | yikes | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | RevAaron: there is also fennec - which is mobile firefox | 04:23 |
| ptl | updating the "Maemo 5" package, so I guess it's yes | 04:23 |
| RevAaron | SpeedEvil: is that something different than the mozilla-based browser on the more recent firmware version for the N800? | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | RevAaron: yes. | 04:23 |
| RevAaron | SpeedEvil: browsing wasn't too bad during the Opera days, went downhill after the switch to firefox | 04:23 |
| RevAaron | er, mozilla. | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | RevAaron: http://www.mozilla.com/en-GB/firefox/b/ | 04:24 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 04:24 |
| RevAaron | i'll look into it! it's been a year or so since I played with the N800, I'm a bit out of the loop. | 04:24 |
| doubleukay | RevAaron: my 2c about the browsing. it's mostly awesome, but there are a few things left to desire. 1) links are hard to click especially if it's small things like page numbers (I come from a opera mini background where the cursor snaps to links). 2) flash ads really spoil the experience by slowing down the browser. | 04:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.mozilla.com/en-GB/m/ | 04:24 |
| RevAaron | doubleukay: yeah, I could see that, esp #2. I block flash by default on desktop Firefox- I can't imagine how super-slow it can get on the N900. | 04:25 |
| RevAaron | SpeedEvil: awesome, thanks! | 04:25 |
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| zerojay | doubleukay: Install my adflashblock-css package. All flash is blocked by default until you click on them to activate them along with adblocking through CSS. :) | 04:25 |
| doubleukay | zerojay: hey thanks, which one is it? | 04:25 |
| doubleukay | I installed ABP but it doesn't seem to work :( | 04:25 |
| zerojay | doubleukay: adflashblock-css, it's in extras-devel. | 04:25 |
| doubleukay | oh I haven't yet added that repo | 04:25 |
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| zerojay | doubleukay: Yeah, it's going to replace my ABP package. It works without the guesswork. | 04:25 |
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| RevAaron | SpeedEvil: it says the N900 and N810 are supported- N800 too, just not listed? | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | RevAaron: don't know. doubt it. | 04:26 |
| RevAaron | ahh | 04:26 |
| RevAaron | hrmm | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - slashdot.org - my desktop ff starts to render the first story in about 5s. Microb in about 16, and fennec in about 14 | 04:27 |
| SpeedEvil | and lynx on n900 in 0.1 | 04:27 |
| RevAaron | is fennec the same browser that comes built-in on the N900, or is it a derivative of the mozilla-based browser built-in on the N800? | 04:27 |
| SpeedEvil | microb is the built in browser. | 04:28 |
| RevAaron | gotcha. | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know about the n800 | 04:28 |
| * RevAaron goes to get his N800 and his wife's iPhone | 04:28 | |
| doubleukay | SpeedEvil: hmm you know I just remembered something.. that I should enable pipelining in microb | 04:29 |
| doubleukay | I think that would improve performance a lot on the cell network | 04:29 |
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| zerojay | You shouldn't ever fuck with pipelining. | 04:30 |
| doubleukay | hm why not? | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | This was on wifi on a 326k dsl link | 04:30 |
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| zerojay | doubleukay: Because it's basically giving a big middle finger to the webservers you're visiting by wasting more of their RAM and connections. | 04:30 |
| doubleukay | oh that isn't what pipelining is | 04:31 |
| zerojay | Max connections... | 04:31 |
| RevAaron | pipelining != max connections | 04:31 |
| zerojay | I know that.. but a lot of people just refer to it as pipelining. | 04:31 |
| doubleukay | ah ok. no worries, I understand HTTP :) | 04:32 |
| * SpeedEvil needs to finish his differential caching proxy server. | 04:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | s/finish/start/ | 04:33 |
| doubleukay | I believe there's some prior art you can follow.. | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.telecoms.com/18082/android-gets-faster-apps-better-graphics-longer-battery-life /me wonders. | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | doubleukay: not really that I've seen. | 04:34 |
| SpeedEvil | doubleukay: you have what looks like a normal - say - 250M disk cache of http pages at the proxy side. | 04:34 |
| SpeedEvil | This is replicated at the client side. | 04:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Any pages the client requests are served against diffs between the known state of the clients disk cache, and the page. The clients cache is then updated to keep them in sync | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | The funky part is that foo.com/baz may end up as a diff from bar.com/fish - if that turns out to be the most similar page in the cache | 04:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | preliminary studies seem to indicate it works. | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I just need to code it | 04:36 |
| doubleukay | ah ok. yup, I don't think I've seen that before. | 04:37 |
| doubleukay | would you be doing an optimal search, or a fuzzy one? | 04:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Added benefits happen if there is a lot of latency, and you know what the client will want. | 04:37 |
| ptl | doubleukay: host is not found, but with ping it returned the message "bad address 'downloads.maemo.nokia.com'" | 04:37 |
| ptl | doubleukay: however, ping resolved the address for www.google.com | 04:37 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - if the client always wants css - then you don't bother waiting for the client to see the css url in the page, and fetch it. | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | fuzzy | 04:38 |
| doubleukay | ptl: try the lookup against google dns - host downloads.maemo.nokia.com 8.8.8.8 | 04:40 |
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| doubleukay | (seeing if we can learn more about your problem) | 04:40 |
| ptl | doubleukay: but there's no host utility | 04:40 |
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| ptl | and I just cat'ed /etc/resolv.conf... it points to localhost, 127.0.0.1 ? | 04:40 |
| ptl | weird | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | it should | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | tehre is a local resolver | 04:41 |
| ptl | oh... | 04:41 |
| ptl | the local resolver must have a problem then | 04:41 |
| Kamui | well | 04:41 |
| doubleukay | SpeedEvil: interesting project. do you have a blog I could follow? | 04:41 |
| Kamui | well | 04:41 |
| Kamui | since the reflash | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | doubleukay: yes - here. | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a wlog | 04:42 |
| Kamui | getting good battery life | 04:42 |
| doubleukay | SpeedEvil: haha ok | 04:42 |
| RevAaron | for me on wifi, slashdot.org - desktop ff renders the first story after 3s, iPhone 3GS after 6s, N800 microb 18s, N800 fennec 14s. | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | this is perhaps not interesting to many | 04:42 |
| ptl | I just saw that although there's no host utility, nslookup is there | 04:42 |
| doubleukay | good progress. | 04:42 |
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| ptl | and I resolved downloads.maemo.nokia.com through the google DNS server ok | 04:43 |
| ptl | so it's indeed a problem in the local resolver | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | odd | 04:43 |
| doubleukay | ptl: but you could resolve other names with the local resolver couldn't you? | 04:43 |
| Kamui | took me about 8 seconds in microb | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: do you have dhcp/... or do you do the static thing | 04:43 |
| Kamui | to get slashdot | 04:43 |
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| RevAaron | Kamui: more so, what is the speed difference between microb and firefox on the same device? | 04:44 |
| Kamui | first 3 stories and images popped up all at the same time seemingly | 04:44 |
| RevAaron | it does feel faster, that's for sure | 04:44 |
| Kamui | i dont bother with fennec | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | microb seems to render more completely | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | MicroB is still faster than Fennec. | 04:44 |
| Kamui | too slow right now | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | microb is _not_ faster than fennec | 04:44 |
| Kamui | microb with flash on is faster than fennec with flash disabled | 04:44 |
| RevAaron | still can't load engadget, though. heh. at least it doesn't choke on it, max out CPU, and freeze the window | 04:44 |
| ptl | how do I reboot the n900? | 04:44 |
| ptl | SpeedEvil: dhcp | 04:44 |
| Kamui | as far as kinetic scrolling and responsiveness | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: press power button, then 'switch off' | 04:45 |
| ptl | SpeedEvil: but I programmed dhcp on my router to point to certain DNS and in my laptop it works ok | 04:45 |
| SpeedEvil | That is - time to load a page completely is faster on fennec. | 04:45 |
| SpeedEvil | for me at least | 04:45 |
| Kamui | 5 seconds on engadget | 04:45 |
| SpeedEvil | espeially when I kill microb | 04:45 |
| Kamui | using microb | 04:45 |
| RevAaron | Kamui: what device? | 04:46 |
| Kamui | till i can start reading | 04:46 |
| Kamui | n900 | 04:46 |
| RevAaron | ahhh, ok. sounds like a pretty big improvement, then | 04:46 |
| doubleukay | ptl: try cat /var/run/dhcp-params.conf | 04:46 |
| doubleukay | might be a maemo-specific file, I haven't seen it on other linux systems before | 04:47 |
| Kamui | u guys talking about the NI8x0? i just assumed 900 when i heard microb... | 04:47 |
| Kamui | probably shouldnt have | 04:47 |
| doubleukay | the third or the last entry seems to be the dns server | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Kamui: I guess it's a net congestion problem partially | 04:47 |
| doubleukay | can you see what it's set to, and try running host for maemo.downloadswhatever.com against it? | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Kamui: I see 12s till engadget text shows up | 04:47 |
| Kamui | hmm | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Kamui: beyond 'download iphone app' | 04:48 |
| RevAaron | Kamui: yeah, I was asking if the N900 was usable for web browsing or not. I was toying with the idea of getting an N900, but after taking my N800 out of the closet I remembered why it went into the closet- for web browsing it's really quite painful | 04:48 |
| Kamui | let me see if the screencast util is working better | 04:48 |
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| Kamui | n900 is pretty damn good | 04:48 |
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| doubleukay | with a good community too :) | 04:50 |
| ptl | doubleukay: there's no such file... | 04:50 |
| doubleukay | oh. hummm. | 04:51 |
| doubleukay | how are you connected, over wifi or cell? | 04:51 |
| RevAaron | doubleukay: the 770, N800, and N810 had a good community too... but it's still a mostly unusable device, at least for the basics. still fun to dink aroudn on it, but no way my N800 plus a cell phone could do the job of an iPhone or Android phone for me. at least, at this point. | 04:51 |
| ptl | wifi now | 04:51 |
| RevAaron | doubleukay: but i don't mean to make it about that, don't want to start a flamewar or irc lamobattle | 04:52 |
| * ShadowJK has an n900 and still uses both n800 and n810 :) | 04:53 | |
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| doubleukay | <- had a netbook instead | 04:53 |
| RevAaron | ShadowJK: I think my N800 is good for playing around with Squeak Smalltalk, but as an internet tablet it's pretty useless. I'll prolly go back and try out one of the older ROMs w/ Opera to see if it's how I remember it. | 04:54 |
| * Kamui is a netbook | 04:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | RevAaron, pft. | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | RevAaron, the 770, N800 and N810 are all plenty usable. | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've carried one or another everyday since 2005. | 04:55 |
| doubleukay | ptl: oh even better. /var/run/resolv.conf.{gprs,wlan0} | 04:55 |
| RevAaron | GeneralAntilles: for certain tasks I don't doubt. but it chugs for me now. maybe the iPhone has changed my level of expectation, or maybe the internet has gotten more complicated since I got my first maemo device in 2005. *shrug* | 04:55 |
| doubleukay | there, that should get you moving forward troubleshooting your dns problem | 04:56 |
| ptl | doubleukay: there's only resolv.conf, with the contents "nameserver 127.0.0.1" | 04:56 |
| ptl | oops | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting. | 04:56 |
| ptl | I tried /etc | 04:56 |
| ptl | let me see /var/run | 04:56 |
| zerojay | RevAaron: Most of the complicated internet shit doesn't even run on iphone. | 04:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Over a faster net connection - from a pure first load time - microb and fennec are now mostly equal | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | RevAaron, the N900 DESTROYS the iPhone for web browsing. | 04:57 |
| RevAaron | zerojay: well, there's no flash. but there's still a lot of CSS, images, and JavaScript. anything really whacky flash-wise doesn't get along with my N800 anyway, so I avoid it. | 04:57 |
| Kamui | well... | 04:57 |
| RevAaron | GeneralAntilles: I hope so! Waiting to play with a friend's N900 later this month. | 04:57 |
| Kamui | maybe destroy is a bit strong | 04:57 |
| RevAaron | heh | 04:57 |
| doubleukay | zerojay: yeah but then the interwebs rewrote itself for the iphone :P | 04:57 |
| Kamui | but its certainly more robust | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kamui, it's not. | 04:58 |
| ptl | doubleukay: no such files either. How do I pipe? I am tryin to run ls -la /var/run | less | 04:58 |
| Kamui | it is | 04:58 |
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| Kamui | great browser good flash support | 04:58 |
| RevAaron | reality distortion field coming into effect methinks | 04:58 |
| Kamui | but not quite as smooth and render times are a little slower | 04:58 |
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| Kamui | all in all n900s microb is definitely better | 04:58 |
| doubleukay | ptl: press the /^ + Sym together to pull out the symbols on-screen keyboard | 04:58 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp & timeless: why the hell did you tip off Asa? | 04:59 |
| timeless_mbp | um? | 04:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i use google alerts | 04:59 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't think he doesn't? | 04:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i rarely talk to asa | 04:59 |
| zerojay | doubleukay: You mean they all wrote their own little apps. | 04:59 |
| crashanddie | except my blog isn't indexed | 04:59 |
| Kamui | the an@l sex association | 04:59 |
| ptl | doubleukay: thanks. hmm, the daemon is dnsmasq -- there is a dnsmasq.pid on /var/run | 04:59 |
| * Kamui is a joker in poor taste | 05:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Kamui, you're hallucinating. | 05:01 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: well, i didn't tip him off | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kamui, side-by-side 3GS to N900. N900 was faster. | 05:01 |
| timeless_mbp | isn't this irc channel indexed? | 05:01 |
| zerojay | Indeed, it is. | 05:01 |
| ptl | doubleukay: I can't change the /etc/resolv.conf file since I'm not root, isn't it? | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kamui, the only time iPHone is faster is when there's a lot of Flash content. | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kamui, and then for rather obvious reasons. | 05:02 |
| zerojay | Packaging geniuses... need help with post/preinstall scripts and py2deb if anyone is awake. | 05:03 |
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| doubleukay | ptl: yeah. I installed that root shell package to gain root.. | 05:03 |
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| doubleukay | .. which I'm not sure if you can | 05:04 |
| ptl | doubleukay: I found /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan0 -- it has the nameserver I configured for it ok | 05:04 |
| Kamui | GeneralAntilles: yes all valid and i completely agree | 05:04 |
| ptl | and even google dns as secondary dns server | 05:04 |
| Kamui | making the n900 better for browsing on the whole, i just dont think it KILLS the 3gs browsing experiencce | 05:05 |
| Kamui | totally subjective though | 05:05 |
| ptl | found the problem! | 05:06 |
| ptl | my primary dns server is not resolving downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 05:06 |
| ptl | how lame! | 05:06 |
| ptl | and it is my provider's main dns server | 05:06 |
| crashanddie | ptl: OMG | 05:06 |
| crashanddie | ptl: that's incredible! | 05:06 |
| crashanddie | ptl: seriously | 05:06 |
| crashanddie | ptl: wowq | 05:06 |
| crashanddie | ptl: now stop using enter as punctuation! | 05:06 |
| * RevAaron loves using enter as punctuation | 05:08 | |
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| RevAaron | to each their own, I guess- but it always seemed very appropriate on IRC. I don't doubt it annoys the hell out of some, though. :P | 05:08 |
| Proteous | the | 05:09 |
| Proteous | worst | 05:09 |
| Proteous | is | 05:09 |
| Proteous | people | 05:09 |
| Proteous | who | 05:09 |
| Proteous | only | 05:09 |
| Proteous | put | 05:09 |
| zerojay | CCCCCCCCCOMBO BREAKER! | 05:09 |
| Proteous | one | 05:09 |
| ptl | crashanddie: lol... ok, sorry. I was typing as I thought. Anyway, I've got a good irssi script that puts all lines in tandem in a single line, it's very nice | 05:09 |
| Proteous | word | 05:09 |
| ptl | 01:09 <Proteous> the | worst | is | people | who | only | put | 05:09 |
| Proteous | per | 05:09 |
| ptl | like that | 05:09 |
| Proteous | line | 05:09 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:09 |
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| crashanddie | combo broken | 05:09 |
| RevAaron | Proteous: that's enter as spacebar, not punctuation | 05:09 |
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| Proteous | bah | 05:09 |
| ptl | crashanddie: it's called 'compact.pl' | 05:10 |
| RevAaron | except heh. I think that usually does belong on one line, kinda sorta per his example. | 05:10 |
| RevAaron | ptl: does it do it inline as he did that? or did you run the script and it spat out the result to the channel just now? | 05:10 |
| doubleukay | mm yeah that is lame :) but anyway, hard to say if it's your isp's fault or nokia/akamai's.. or a path in between.. well at least you're all set now. | 05:10 |
| ptl | now it went ok! | 05:10 |
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| ptl | the application manager is working | 05:10 |
| ptl | doubleukay: thank you very much for helping me troubleshoot it. | 05:10 |
| crashanddie | ptl: using webchat, can't connect to IRC through work network | 05:10 |
| RevAaron | crashanddie: that's no excuse! that's why there is SSH and SOCKS. :) | 05:11 |
| crashanddie | RevAaron: I'm connected through webchat over ssh over vpn | 05:11 |
| RevAaron | crashanddie: i'm connected through xchat over ssh | 05:11 |
| crashanddie | RevAaron: the bunker I'm in is in Australia and only allows VPN to my company's specific network, my VPN endpoint is in the US, my server is in my london office, and I don't have any servers in the worldwide web considering I live in a hotel | 05:12 |
| crashanddie | RevAaron: so yeah, that is an excuse | 05:13 |
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| crashanddie | I guess he was owned by his SSH | 05:13 |
| ptl | crashanddie: that's a sad life, you want donations? | 05:13 |
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| crashanddie | ptl: I work in a bunker, you really think I need money? | 05:14 |
| ptl | lol | 05:14 |
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| RevAaron | crashanddie: i'm connected through xchat over ssh... it's all about the ssh -D 9999 | 05:14 |
| crashanddie | I guess you didn't get my explanation previously | 05:14 |
| crashanddie | RevAaron: it's not about me connecting through webchat, it's about people sending out too much text. This isn't a democracy, and you don't get to tell me how to connect to the internet | 05:15 |
| uhsf | google's chromium will use gentoo's portage? they should've chosen pacman | 05:15 |
| * ShadowJK rents a server in holland | 05:15 | |
| ptl | rent me an absinthe and we'll talk | 05:16 |
| uhsf | sry wrong chan | 05:16 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: I'm thinking about getting a small VPS in France | 05:16 |
| * ptl is an absinthe-lover in a country that doesn't allow real absinthe :( | 05:16 | |
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| crashanddie | ShadowJK: but quite frankly I'd rather have one in the UK, but I can't find anything worthwhile | 05:16 |
| crashanddie | in France, a VPS goes for about 10euros per month, with unlimited bandwidth and dedicated CPU | 05:16 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: um, prove it | 05:17 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: that statement? | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | yes | 05:17 |
| crashanddie | sure, hang on | 05:17 |
| RevAaron | crashanddie: no, I understood your complaint. I don't think anyone can really justify annoying lineage- though, that really isn't "too much text." if you'd rather avoid "too much text" IRC isn't for you. | 05:17 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:18 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: http://www.ovh.com/fr/produits/rps1.xml | 05:18 |
| RevAaron | crashanddie: I was simply trying to give you a hand, as you said that you're "you're using webchat, can't connect to IRC through work network" ... i simply offered you away around that, totally aside from whatever else was going on. | 05:18 |
| crashanddie | RevAaron: considering I'm already connected through VPN and SSH to get to this webchat, do you honestly believe I would be using webchat if I had an alternative? | 05:19 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: wow, not bad | 05:19 |
| luke-jr | too bad I don't know French :P | 05:19 |
| ljp | crashanddie: maybe you actually like webchat ?? :) | 05:19 |
| doubleukay | ahh, then atom servers. | 05:20 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: http://www.ovh.co.uk/products/rps1.xml | 05:20 |
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| RevAaron | crashanddie: ...well, I think that's what you're telling me- you are using webchat even though there is an alternative. if I'm following you. but obviously, what you're doing is working just fine for you. carry on. | 05:21 |
| crashanddie | and for double the price you get a dual core athlon 1.9 Ghz with 2GB of RAM | 05:21 |
| crashanddie | RevAaron: I think you have your vocabulary confused: whether technically feasable doesn't necessarily imply it is an alternative. | 05:22 |
| RevAaron | crashanddie: I understand the words, but it doesn't add up. Like I said, if you're happy with what you're doing I've no interest in changing that. :) | 05:24 |
| crashanddie | RevAaron: an alternative (implying a viable alternative) would require me to have a server with VPN outside of my corporate network, which is not the case. Hence, there is no immediate or viable alternative, even though, and I fully agree with you, it is absolutely possible, technically speaking | 05:24 |
| crashanddie | s/VPN/SSH/ | 05:24 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: RevAaron: an alternative (implying a viable alternative) would require me to have a server with SSH outside of my corporate network, which is not the case. Hence, there is no immediate or viable alternative, even though, and I fully agree with you, it is ... | 05:24 |
| RevAaron | yup, I completely understand. like I said, let's move on... | 05:25 |
| uhsf | mugen power battery can be pre-ordered now at special price and shipping march 1st | 05:26 |
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| uhsf | mugen power battery for n900 seems kinda bulky and their picture is very noisy i can't see clearly but it seems to block the backside camera | 05:28 |
| zerojay | hard to tell, really. | 05:28 |
| uhsf | does anyone know how much improvement this battery could be over the nokia battery? | 05:29 |
| zerojay | Considering the fact that it's not out yet, no. | 05:30 |
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| doubleukay | 2400mAh vs 1350mAh, about 80% on paper? | 05:32 |
| ptl | downloading 90MB of updates for maemo now | 05:32 |
| uhsf | at least they could have give us a clue before before i order a 90$ item from their crappy website | 05:32 |
| ptl | now that I solved the dns problem, everything is going ok... | 05:32 |
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| doubleukay | caveat emptor. | 05:33 |
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| fernando2k | hi, I asked earlier but wasn't here to see if anyone replied | 05:35 |
| fernando2k | what's the likelihood of this http://sourceforge.net/projects/gstm/ running on an N900? | 05:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | fernando2k: Zero. | 05:38 |
| SpeedEvil | no gnome | 05:38 |
| ptl | can't it be hildonized? | 05:38 |
| doubleukay | fernando2k: lemme try installing it into the debian chroot.. | 05:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course - you can run anything on a n900 - for some definitions. | 05:39 |
| fernando2k | oh? doesn't it use er... gtk or something, which maemo has? (I'm kinda new at this lol) | 05:39 |
| fernando2k | but yeah, if the GUI doesn't work, there's no point | 05:40 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe ignore me - I'm tired. | 05:40 |
| SpeedEvil | and am probably alseep. | 05:40 |
| fernando2k | :P | 05:40 |
| ptl | fernando2k: you brazilian? | 05:40 |
| fernando2k | by birth, yes, but I live in the united states | 05:41 |
| fernando2k | how'd you guess? :P | 05:41 |
| ptl | your name. I'm brazilian too and I live in a tree in Amazon. Or in Campinas, Sao Paulo, I guess. | 05:41 |
| doubleukay | fernando2k: it does seem to run - http://home.doubleukay.com/n900/Screenshot-20100210-143834.png | 05:42 |
| fernando2k | awesome! :o | 05:42 |
| doubleukay | but I haven't used this program before, so I can't verify if it does what it's supposed to | 05:42 |
| ptl | wow... that was quite fast | 05:42 |
| SpeedEvil | What I was meaning above was it's for some things that do run - unacceptable performance wise due to other constraints. | 05:42 |
| fernando2k | indeed lol | 05:42 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - if it pulls in 87M of libraries that are only used for the program - it may 'work' - but it will cause lots of stuff to swap out every time it's run | 05:43 |
| fernando2k | so, debian chroot eh? I'll look into that | 05:43 |
| fernando2k | ah yeah | 05:43 |
| doubleukay | SpeedEvil: true that.. | 05:43 |
| ptl | debian chroot? don't you use scratchbox for compiling this stuff, doubleukay ? | 05:43 |
| doubleukay | ptl: I take the path of least resistance :) | 05:44 |
| ptl | you've got a chrooted debian with ARM target? Or did you compile to x86 and ran itin the emulator? | 05:44 |
| doubleukay | there's a easy-debian-chroot app | 05:44 |
| ptl | but for ARM? | 05:44 |
| doubleukay | yes | 05:44 |
| ptl | cool | 05:45 |
| fernando2k | oh, that's the thing that requires the debian image right? yeah, think I'll pass for now then :P | 05:45 |
| fernando2k | can I try compiling from the source? does the N900 has make and all that fun stuff? | 05:46 |
| ptl | yes, it has, but you have to install from the repositories | 05:46 |
| ptl | and you shouldn't really run unpackaged stuff | 05:46 |
| fernando2k | guess not, don't want to have to reflash it in case something goes wrong... | 05:47 |
| doubleukay | the easy-debian-chroot is quite easy, but still.. not for the faint-hearted | 05:47 |
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| doubleukay | I hosed my 2GB /home partition when it installed into it (was supposed to install into the 30GB partition but it turned out that it wasn't mounted coz I plugged it into my computer) | 05:48 |
| fernando2k | oh well, can I er, put up a maemo brainstorm item or whatnot to ask someone to "hildonize" it or something? | 05:48 |
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| fernando2k | because I really don't want a 2gb image just to run something I can do on the terminal, with just a little more effort :P | 05:48 |
| doubleukay | I'm still familiarizing myself with the community.. so I don't know what your next options are :) | 05:49 |
| ptl | do you help developing skills? it might not be so difficult to hildonize it yourself | 05:50 |
| ptl | *do you have | 05:50 |
| fernando2k | none, haha | 05:50 |
| ptl | I just got my N900 | 05:50 |
| ptl | I'll try hildonizing a few apps by myself as soon as I get the grasp ofit | 05:51 |
| ptl | I have already read some tutorials | 05:51 |
| SpeedEvil | There are also other tools | 05:51 |
| SpeedEvil | for example - the commandline-desktop applet | 05:51 |
| fernando2k | I have an N800 and just got an N900, I kinda know maemo but kinda not at the same time :( | 05:51 |
| fernando2k | commandline desktop? that sounds interesting | 05:51 |
| SpeedEvil | which lets you do desktop widgets in a couple of lines of shell that can react to presses | 05:51 |
| SpeedEvil | of course htey only do text output - but... | 05:52 |
| doubleukay | I love the idea of that, but I still haven't found myself a use case for it after a week | 05:52 |
| fernando2k | what's the name, I can't find it | 05:52 |
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| ptl | oh | 05:55 |
| ptl | the app should also be optified | 05:55 |
| ptl | but I guess that it is easy to automate | 05:55 |
| fernando2k | oh, yeah, what does that mean? I see that term used a lot on talk.maemo.org and related forums | 05:55 |
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| fernando2k | I even saw a comment on an ovi store app saying it wasn't "optified" | 05:56 |
| fernando2k | it... doesn't have anything to do with /opt right? that'd be too obvious | 05:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It means that all the major files are in /opt - with only symlinks if that in / | 05:56 |
| ptl | fernando2k: http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem | 05:56 |
| SpeedEvil | this means that / doesn't get full | 05:56 |
| fernando2k | oooh | 05:56 |
| fernando2k | haha, should have thought of it :P | 05:57 |
| doubleukay | does anyone know the historical reason behind splitting the root fs and /home ? | 05:57 |
| crashanddie | doubleukay: speed | 05:57 |
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| fernando2k | what about the reason for having dots in front of the images documents etc folders? :P | 05:58 |
| fernando2k | (it's annoying to use those when I mount the N900 as mass storage on os x) | 05:58 |
| doubleukay | ok I see that now. the block device is split into the OneNAND and eMMC areas. | 05:58 |
| crashanddie | aye | 05:58 |
| ptl | doubleukay: yes, just google for unix filesystem hierarchy and you'l find the many reasons why it's this way :) | 05:59 |
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| doubleukay | I didn't think that the storage was heterogeneous since it's presented as one block device | 06:00 |
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| fernando2k | oh, just saw the desktop command line widget | 06:04 |
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| fernando2k | I guess that could work with the update when tapped option... | 06:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no hdparm in repos :-/ | 06:11 |
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| jebba | DocScrutinizer i have one in the etch repo: ./h/hdparm/hdparm_6.9-2_armel.deb no idea if it works | 06:14 |
| jebba | would be surprised | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I'll give it a try | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's etch repo? | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got your standard mirror repos | 06:15 |
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| ShadowJK | wtf would you do with hdparm on n900... | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | XD | 06:19 |
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| luke-jr | anyone here happen to know how much SoCs usually cost? | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | just by themselves | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | digikey might help | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you wo't find the top notch ones | 06:20 |
| sulx | ShadowJK: its not the "what" but because "you can" | 06:20 |
| zerojay | Anyone with py2deb experience can help me out with getting pre/post install scripts working? | 06:20 |
| doubleukay | luke-jr: last one I saw was an arduino kit being sold for NZD80. comes with board, lcd, buncha sensors. | 06:21 |
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| ShadowJK | sulx, I didn't know memory cards did anything useful to the type of scsi/ata commands hdparm sends :P | 06:21 |
| doubleukay | unless I'm misunderstanding what a SoC is.. | 06:21 |
| luke-jr | doubleukay: I mean just the SoC; no board | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I'd like to see what hdparm -tT would prit | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, I think you can source the OMAP3 for about $45. | 06:21 |
| sulx | ShadowJK: maybe to test speed? which doesn't tell anything? =) | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | 06:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, for batches of 1000. | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | (if I'm recalling correctly) | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | hm | 06:22 |
| jebba | DocScrutinizer the debian etch rebuild: http://obra.freemoe.org/obra.install | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, OMAP3530DCBB $32 each for orders of 1000. OMAP3530DCUS72 $50.05 for orders of 1000 | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn I'm a badass. | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | jebba: thaks | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | sulx, that speed is particulary useless for memory cards :) | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | You want iozone or bonnie | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | any idea what people usually do when they have a good idea that would be expensive to put into practice? :P | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, usually? give up. | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | XD | 06:24 |
| sulx | ShadowJK: thats what I said...;) | 06:24 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 06:24 |
| sulx | not clearly but still | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | I was hoping for "talk to _____; they'll buy the idea!" :p | 06:26 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 06:27 |
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| ptl | 'updating Maemo 5'... why is my heart beating so fast? | 06:30 |
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| ShadowJK | oh the 72 at the end means 720MHz model | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: I was actually thinking the QSD8672 :P | 06:32 |
| luke-jr | but I'll just assume they need to be somewhat competitive vs TI | 06:32 |
| luke-jr | :p | 06:32 |
| dracflamloc | ptl, you got it? | 06:32 |
| ShadowJK | and the D after the number means revision D | 06:33 |
| * ShadowJK wonders what revision is in n900 | 06:33 | |
| ptl | dracflamloc: sure | 06:33 |
| ShadowJK | uh, not that it's the same number even... | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, hdparm is't the tool for that type of storage | 06:33 |
| dracflamloc | weren't you the one who was waiting on your n900 to arrive? | 06:34 |
| ptl | oh | 06:34 |
| ptl | yesss | 06:34 |
| ptl | it arrived today | 06:34 |
| ptl | I'm so happy | 06:34 |
| ptl | now I am updating its OS to start installing apps | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, ES3.x, I believe. | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, ES2.x still had the NEON bug. | 06:35 |
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| ptl | first one will be bounce evolution | 06:35 |
| ptl | then, duke nukem 3d | 06:35 |
| dracflamloc | haha | 06:35 |
| dracflamloc | HAIL TO THE KING, BABY | 06:35 |
| ptl | you bet :P you know how do I map the accelerometer to dn3d keys? | 06:36 |
| dracflamloc | dunno, havent tried playing it yet | 06:36 |
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| Sargun_Screen | hey | 06:37 |
| ptl | hi | 06:37 |
| Sargun_Screen | do we have skype with vid chat? | 06:38 |
| Sargun_Screen | or mms yet? | 06:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | See fMMS. | 06:38 |
| ptl | btw | 06:39 |
| ptl | about video chat | 06:39 |
| Kamui | mms is a bit weak atm | 06:39 |
| ptl | has anyone been able to use 3G videoconference with the N900? | 06:39 |
| Kamui | video chat through xmpp works | 06:39 |
| Sargun_Screen | Kamui: what client? | 06:39 |
| ShadowJK | it doesn't have 3g videocalls | 06:39 |
| Kamui | not through skype iirc | 06:39 |
| ShadowJK | and it doesn't have 3g videosharing or 3g picture sharing either | 06:39 |
| Kamui | Sargun_Screen: built in | 06:39 |
| doubleukay | btw is it just me, or is the front camera really noisy? | 06:40 |
| ptl | it does have, what else would be the secondary camera for? | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://blog.frals.se/2010/02/10/ui-improvements-in-fmms/ | 06:40 |
| uhsf | how to switch to front camera? | 06:40 |
| Kamui | /dev/video0 is front | 06:40 |
| Kamui | 1 is rear | 06:40 |
| ShadowJK | There's no included software that uses the front webcam | 06:40 |
| Kamui | true | 06:40 |
| Kamui | mirror or mplayer can be used | 06:41 |
| ShadowJK | unless that xmpp video chat does it | 06:41 |
| Kamui | and conversations extra protocols for vid chat | 06:41 |
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| uhsf | this is the kind of things that should rely on hardware only | 06:41 |
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| Kamui | xmpp works | 06:41 |
| Kamui | no 3g videocall in this version of the firmware | 06:41 |
| Kamui | it would never be hardware only anyway | 06:42 |
| uhsf | switching between cameras should be enabled by a switch button on the n900 and not require software | 06:42 |
| Kamui | foolish notion | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | uhsf: what if you want to use both?! | 06:42 |
| Kamui | both cameras are active always | 06:42 |
| Kamui | you can view both sources at the dame time | 06:42 |
| Kamui | it wuld be dumb but can be done | 06:42 |
| ShadowJK | uhsf, that's extremely hard to implement :) | 06:42 |
| ShadowJK | it needs software support | 06:42 |
| ifreq | Kamui: i read you cant use them at same time | 06:43 |
| ifreq | as they share same bus.. | 06:43 |
| Kamui | and a hardware switch to change cameras is foolish. | 06:43 |
| Kamui | could be right iffreq | 06:43 |
| Kamui | ive never tried | 06:43 |
| uhsf | but there is no software to enable it so it's useless anyway. better be hardware | 06:43 |
| Kamui | associate them with the normal vid 4 lin functionality | 06:43 |
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| Kamui | uhsf: i told you how already | 06:44 |
| ifreq | and im not worried about front cameras quality, im quite sure its ment to run as postcard sized pic as inmost chat/voice chats | 06:44 |
| Kamui | nand i told you what apps use it now | 06:44 |
| ifreq | gn now -> | 06:44 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/deviceComparison.xhtml?dev=[N900] <- Add something like N97 mini and you'll notice that N97 had video call listed but N900 does not :) | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | in a few generations, all our switches/buttons will be software definable :P | 06:44 |
| ShadowJK | (in the Multimedia section) | 06:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Both cameras cannot be used at once | 06:45 |
| uhsf | and be broken on every update and need fixing | 06:45 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: ?! | 06:45 |
| SpeedEvil | /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 - the cameras are connected to the same physical bus | 06:45 |
| SpeedEvil | one is turned off when the other is turned on. There is only one camera bus | 06:45 |
| Kamui | ifreq corrected me already | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | same video iterface at SoC | 06:46 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - mised that | 06:46 |
| Kamui | its golden :) | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | damnnnn, some rubbish under my "n" | 06:46 |
| ShadowJK | it's pretty trivial for software to use the other camera anyway | 06:48 |
| ShadowJK | just open /dev/video0 instead of /dev/video1.. or other way around ;) | 06:48 |
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| ptl | where do I download bounce evolution from? | 06:56 |
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| ptl | found it | 07:01 |
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| ptl | this is weird. I can't find duke3d. Where is it? | 07:25 |
| ptl | extras-devel | 07:27 |
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| bkjoe | Hey got an n900 here, battery went flat and phone shutoff..after I got a wall charger to charge battery seperate from phone, it turns on, displays "NOKIA" screen, then the display scrambles with horizontal lines and that's about it..led stays on and lcd backlight stays on..appears dead at this point | 07:33 |
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| bkjoe | prepared to send it back tomorrow, anybody got anything I could try before that? | 07:34 |
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| jebba | that part is totally closed. Who knows what's going on at those stages. | 07:36 |
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| ptl | how do I do <ESC> in vi? | 07:38 |
| ptl | found it | 07:38 |
| ptl | lol | 07:38 |
| sheepbat | what was it? | 07:39 |
| Proteous | bkjoe: I would try flashing it | 07:41 |
| bkjoe | Proteous: when I attach it to a PC (win7) I get constant device found/unrecognized errors | 07:43 |
| Proteous | shouldn't matter for flashing | 07:43 |
| Proteous | just follow the instructions | 07:43 |
| bkjoe | usually the phone will get stuck in a reboot loop | 07:44 |
| bkjoe | hmm okay..got a good link with the procedure? | 07:44 |
| bkjoe | would be appreciated | 07:45 |
| Proteous | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900:_Vista_.26_7_.2864bit.29 | 07:45 |
| Proteous | er | 07:46 |
| Proteous | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900:_XP_.28SP3.29_.2F_Vista_.28SP2.29_.2F_Windows_7_32-bit | 07:46 |
| Proteous | depends if you are running 32 or 64 bit windows | 07:46 |
| bkjoe | 64bit on this laptop. Thanks. will check it and report what happens | 07:47 |
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| ptl | duke nukem 3D is saying "d" to both accelerometer right and accelerometer down, how should I tell it otherwise? | 07:59 |
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| RST38h | mooooooooooo | 08:08 |
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| dracflamloc | cow | 08:10 |
| bkjoe | bah | 08:11 |
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| bkjoe | slow ftp zzz | 08:11 |
| RST38h | "Please donÁ | 08:13 |
| RST38h | "Please dont rewrite softwares (that are) written in .NET" | 08:13 |
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| * RST38h won't, no problem =) | 08:13 | |
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| villager | weird... why should someone writing something in .net prevent someone else from writing similar software on a decent platform, if the idea was good enough to deserve it? | 08:17 |
| RST38h | "People who know me also know that I think those anti-.NET people are disruptive ignorable people. I also actively and willingly ignore them (and they should know this). IÁ | 08:17 |
| RST38h | villager: see above | 08:17 |
| villager | well, if he ignores them, then that's all good... by definition he won't try to stop anyone he's ignoring, so that shouldn't be a problem... | 08:19 |
| * microlith throttles busybox | 08:21 | |
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| microlith | de Icaza getting riled up again? | 08:22 |
| villager | I'm pretty sure I'd by far prefer it if a .net programmer ignores the rest of the world better than if he does not, but he shouldn't stop the rest of the world from doing real work | 08:22 |
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| RST38h | microlith: No, the van Hoof guy whom we should all thank for Modest and Tracker | 08:23 |
| * RST38h laughs diabolically | 08:24 | |
| microlith | o_O | 08:24 |
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| bkjoe | hrm...suitable device not found | 08:27 |
| villager | I guess it's like those software patents... you can't make an improved version of anything just because someone else had the idea first | 08:27 |
| bkjoe | meanwhile the phone sits there with horizontal lines across the screen | 08:28 |
| RST38h | villager: no, he just really loves .NET :) | 08:28 |
| microlith | I've got no problem with .NET, on windows at least | 08:28 |
| microlith | but the complaints against mono are valid | 08:29 |
| * RST38h treats .NET apps the same way he always treated VB apps | 08:29 | |
| RST38h | I.e. removes them immediately | 08:29 |
| microlith | hhe | 08:29 |
| microlith | it's actually the least painful way to develop software on windows | 08:30 |
| RST38h | More or less, yes | 08:30 |
| WZhang | True | 08:30 |
| RST38h | Same as VB before it, actually | 08:30 |
| microlith | well, before it the most painless way was Delphi :) | 08:30 |
| RST38h | Nah, Delphi fails once you have to deal with COM | 08:31 |
| villager | I've got problems with .net on windows, on my previous laptop the .net runtime thingy had serious issues and it was impossible to install the service pack, the installer for it always crashed | 08:31 |
| villager | it's also a real mess in any case | 08:32 |
| RST38h | well, .NET runtimee is messed up on at least one of my computers | 08:32 |
| RST38h | Dunno if removing and reinstalling would fix it, never tried it | 08:32 |
| WZhang | it should actually. | 08:33 |
| villager | I think I tried, but can't remember | 08:33 |
| villager | if I didn't, it would have been because it was near impossible or something | 08:33 |
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| RST38h | OMG maemo.nokia.com designers went nuts. | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, something new? | 08:38 |
| RST38h | General: Check the opening page image | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the laser penguins? | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's way old | 08:38 |
| RST38h | yep. | 08:39 |
| * RST38h has not been checking lately | 08:39 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Like, November old. | 08:39 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 08:51 |
| Jaffa | hrw|gone: If Perl's removed, Catorise breaking will be the least of your problems ;-) | 08:51 |
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| RST38h | Uptime 9 days. Device becomes sluggish. Reboot. | 09:04 |
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| konttori | morning | 09:05 |
| * RST38h is gonna disable POP3 account this time, to check if it causes the performance degradation at >6 days uptime | 09:05 | |
| RST38h | morning, konttori | 09:06 |
| * thresh waves | 09:06 | |
| RST38h | konttori: since 51.1, the device becomes unlocked when you plug it into USB charger or just data | 09:06 |
| RST38h | konttori: Apparently, someone shoddily patched the "device sometimes refuses to charge" bug this way =( | 09:07 |
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| konttori | are you talking about the device lock (so, the 5 number entry), and then plugging to usb? | 09:07 |
| konttori | device lock has quite many issues. | 09:07 |
| konttori | target is to really fix those for the after pr1.2 release, but possibly some already for pr1.2. | 09:08 |
| RST38h | konttori: I lock with the sliding switch. Then plug into USB charger (Nokia one). Device becomes unlocked. | 09:08 |
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| RST38h | konttori: Pretty annoying, given that I leave it this way for a night, in a pouch, where it starts doing all kinds of things accidentally :) | 09:09 |
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| RST38h | Anyways bug #8151 and bug #8890 | 09:09 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8151 Connecting powered USB cable always turns on screen | 09:09 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8890 Device becomes unlocked when plugged into charger | 09:09 |
| * RST38h ==> work | 09:09 | |
| sar3th | did anyone else notice, that the camera captures videos with 1000 fps, even though it does not really record that much frames? | 09:10 |
| JoeBrain | Run outta memory pretty quickly? | 09:11 |
| sar3th | no, trying to motion-track a video | 09:11 |
| sar3th | it tracks every single frame | 09:12 |
| sar3th | now imagine the difference it takes to track 30fps footage and 1000fps footage >_> | 09:12 |
| sar3th | i wondere'd why it's slow as fuck, then i noticed the framerate | 09:12 |
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| fragment | what's up with the gtk-update-icon-cache? it is an empty script.. how should I update the cache in postinst then? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | fragment: not used anymore | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | null-op | 09:16 |
| fragment | Stskeeps: what should be used instead? I'm installing my application and the icon is a placeholder, until I reboot | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | fragment: report it as a bug | 09:17 |
| sar3th | fragment: i've noticed that behaviour with several other apps i installed (from ovi store, maemo exras, etc) | 09:17 |
| fragment | Stskeeps: so it should use the new icon instantly without calling anything in postinst? | 09:18 |
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| Stskeeps | fragment: it doesn't it seems and hence it's a bug | 09:21 |
| fragment | Stskeeps: ok thanks | 09:21 |
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| Wolfie | sar3th: wow! waiting for slo-mo video capture software to arrive, then! \o/ :) | 09:27 |
| sar3th | lol Wolfie | 09:27 |
| Wolfie | no, seriously though. | 09:27 |
| sar3th | i don't think it /really/ records at 1000fps | 09:28 |
| Wolfie | that would be a great app, if the video quality is decent, and not some weird interpolated stuff | 09:28 |
| Wolfie | ah, was afraid of that. Care to check? ;) | 09:28 |
| sar3th | lol np, will do | 09:28 |
| Wolfie | nice! | 09:28 |
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| konttori | RST38h: oh, that lock, so, screen lock. That's a feature. | 09:29 |
| sar3th | okay, recorded a video with my hand moving quickly through the frame..checking now | 09:29 |
| konttori | when you plugin to usb, it shows that do you want mass storage or pc suite | 09:30 |
| konttori | and that needs to unlock the screen, then turn it on and show the choice. | 09:30 |
| konttori | it's pretty obvious. | 09:30 |
| konttori | what's your problem with that? | 09:30 |
| konttori | oh, when plugged to charger? that's not right. | 09:31 |
| konttori | lemme see. | 09:31 |
| sar3th | Wolfie: okay, huge wtf | 09:31 |
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| sar3th | Wolfie: this video now has 25fps | 09:31 |
| Wolfie | sar3th: o_O | 09:31 |
| sar3th | my thought exactly | 09:32 |
| Wolfie | i think i'll leave you to it, then ;) | 09:32 |
| sar3th | yeah, i'll just re-recod the video i think | 09:33 |
| Wolfie | i wouldn't be surprised that if you manage to reproduce that 1000fps, you either get 33 black/scrambled frames between each recorded frame, or each 30fps frame consists of 33 overlaid striped frames | 09:33 |
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| Wolfie | depends naturally when the CCD/CMOS flushes the image to some buffer | 09:34 |
| sar3th | hm dunno | 09:34 |
| Wolfie | when/how | 09:34 |
| sar3th | i just looked at all my recorded videos | 09:34 |
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| sar3th | 3 of 4 have 1000 fpc | 09:34 |
| sar3th | *fps | 09:34 |
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| sar3th | ooh i hate this usb problem =_= | 09:39 |
| konttori | RST38h: I have commented to internal and external version of the bug, but I fear it won't make it in time for pr1.2 release. | 09:39 |
| sar3th | Wolfie: managed to get 1000fps again... | 09:39 |
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| Wolfie | sounds weird, such haphazard behavior. | 09:40 |
| sar3th | it seems like it's connected to the video's length, as my 25fps vid was /very/ short | 09:40 |
| konttori | we have too many internal bugs in the system software side, that are not fixed, and we are nearing the time to start freezing the pr1.2 release. (which, by the way, to anybody interested won't mean pr1.2 would come any time soon, just that we are not integrating bug fixes like these anymore - only more serious issues) | 09:40 |
| Wolfie | konttori: sounds great | 09:41 |
| konttori | related to that, we integrated yesterday NEON optimizations to libjpeg, thanks to serge. Improves jpeg encode and decode 2x. | 09:41 |
| * konttori is psyched out about that one. | 09:42 | |
| thresh | that's cool | 09:42 |
| thresh | now 'photos' is pretty useless when you have thousands of those on a device | 09:42 |
| Wolfie | konttori: what practical (user noticeable) benefits would that gain? | 09:42 |
| Wolfie | camera and album software work faster? | 09:43 |
| konttori | image viewer speed improvements, thumbnailer speed improvements for sure, possibly also browser would be faster. | 09:43 |
| konttori | but I wasn't able to confirm that does it use platform libjpeg or internal jpeg. | 09:43 |
| Wolfie | right. faster is always faster, nevertheless! | 09:44 |
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| sar3th | Wolfie: it seems ALL videos >2s are at 1000fps | 09:46 |
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| Wolfie | sar3th: okay. Have you already had the chance to look at how those frames look like? | 09:47 |
| Wolfie | konttori: since you're connected, can you comment on why n900 doesn't have built-in MMS-support? I mean, it just makes me wonder a bit, since fMMS seems to get stuff working pretty well pretty quickly, and that's an external project (i assume) | 09:49 |
| Wolfie | ...or even hazard a guess? | 09:49 |
| sar3th | Wolfie: in AE, it seems that one frame is captured, then repeated 207 times before the next frame is captured | 09:49 |
| Wolfie | hm, right | 09:50 |
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| Wolfie | wait, 207 times? that doesn't multiply to 1000 in any neat way... | 09:51 |
| Wolfie | that'd be 4.83fps... | 09:51 |
| Wolfie | are the rest then interpolated? :o | 09:52 |
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| Lantizia | Any chance of working Ogg album art support any time soon? | 09:53 |
| Lantizia | Be that either respecting cover.jpg in the directory even if the directory isn't 100% mp3's... or just showing the album art in the Ogg Comments | 09:53 |
| kulve | Lantizia: I'm quite busy for rest of the month. After that I'm hoping to get a new release with the all the patches I've got | 09:54 |
| sar3th | it seems the 207 frames were just random, i'll check with premiere to make sure | 09:54 |
| Lantizia | kulve: so which of those methods have been implemented in the patches? | 09:54 |
| konttori | Wolfie: original decision was to not to include MMS, and then later, it seemed like too big certificaton effort to take on - also, there wasn't enough pressure to have it. | 09:55 |
| konttori | let's face it, the other sharing options are much more useful. | 09:55 |
| kulve | Lantizia: See bug #7413: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7413 | 09:55 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7413 Cover art not shown for Ogg Vorbis files | 09:55 |
| povbot | Bug 7413: Cover art not shown for Ogg Vorbis files | 09:55 |
| konttori | e.g. email sharing of an image - > you can send an image with quality that the other end can actually understand what the image portrays. | 09:55 |
| Lantizia | kulve: oh I've already seen that - I just want to know if the patches you have include both support for embedded and cover.jpg | 09:56 |
| kulve | konttori: I've created a rough implementation for command line sharing plugin and a irssi script. Now I can share images to my www-server and get the URL with meta info to IRC :) | 09:56 |
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| kulve | Lantizia: I think that talks about "non-embedded covers" | 09:57 |
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| Lantizia | kulve: sorry just noticed the newer John Steele Scott patch | 09:57 |
| sar3th | okay premiere is too stupid, it drops frames automatically | 09:58 |
| sar3th | maybe it's just adobe's fault, their apps not properly supporting mp4 videos | 09:58 |
| konttori | kulve: ah, great. the fmms guy was waiting for the command line plugin to enable the MMS as sharing option. | 09:58 |
| Lantizia | kulve: so theoretically the cover art that songbird 1.4 can embded in my Ogg files... the Nokia media player will show? :) and time frame for these patches to go into some firmware? | 09:58 |
| Wolfie | konttori: sure, i'm not exactly pining for MMS, but it seemed a bit weird. Although, now that you said it, I'd remember that fMMS doesn't follow the spec 100%, so that explains it | 09:58 |
| konttori | spec is immense. | 09:59 |
| kulve | konttori: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/sharing-cli | 09:59 |
| konttori | kulve: great! | 09:59 |
| kulve | konttori: but that's missing quite a lot error handling et.c | 09:59 |
| kulve | quite a lot of typos today again.. | 09:59 |
| konttori | lol, so business as usual | 09:59 |
| kulve | patches are of course welcome :) | 09:59 |
| sar3th | Wolfie: you happen to know any other program i can check the videos with? | 10:00 |
| Wolfie | sar3th: on the phone? sorry, no | 10:00 |
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| sar3th | Wolfie: nah, on windows or linux | 10:01 |
| frals | X-Fade: problems with the repos? http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ has 0.3.3 but repos still doesnt have it 12hrs later | 10:01 |
| Wolfie | sar3th: I'm not that knowledgeable with video, but have you checked the VLC movie editor? is it released already? | 10:02 |
| Wolfie | can't remember the name... | 10:02 |
| frals | Wolfie: it follows the spec now... from what Ive gathered anyway, I might have overlooked something :P | 10:02 |
| Wolfie | frals: nice! | 10:02 |
| sar3th | Wolfie: i think it was released recently, i'll take a look :) | 10:02 |
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| Wolfie | frals: I haven't installed it yet, but is it in such a shape that I (i.e. someone who knows nothing about how MMS works technically) could get it set up with little effort? | 10:03 |
| sar3th | "VLMC will be available very soon in a pre-release version for Linux, Windows and Mac, stay tuned !" | 10:03 |
| frals | uh, little effort.. depends if you read the wikipage or not (and if your operator settings are there) I guess | 10:04 |
| Lantizia | :( | 10:04 |
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| frals | im biased as im the dev, most things regarding the application is little effort for me :D | 10:04 |
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| Stskeeps | achipa = atilla77 or how was it? | 10:07 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: that's me | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: what Qt version, out of curiousity? | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm not really the one deciding what goes in and what does not, but still interested) | 10:08 |
| achipa | 4.5.2 IIRC | 10:08 |
| achipa | (might have some 4.5.3 bits) | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:08 |
| achipa | 4.6 is not impossible either, but we're completely on our own with that so it might be a bigger bite | 10:09 |
| achipa | and if we have 4.5.x solved, updating to 4.6 can be tackled later | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | i like the SD image idea, even though a 'grow' image could be interesting | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | but not sure if kernel allows for it | 10:10 |
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| achipa | the only question is if we can resize on the fly, reboot would be okay regardless of what the kernel can(not) do | 10:11 |
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| Stskeeps | well, you can always do a shutdown, "repartition/resize" at bootup | 10:12 |
| achipa | exactly | 10:12 |
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| Stskeeps | i've really lost track of how many active n8x0 developers there are these days | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | the "300" stunt really cut down in the amount of people | 10:13 |
| achipa | if talking about it on SSU level, I'd even consider the image to be mounted as /opt (hint) | 10:14 |
| achipa | yeah, that was a win some, lose some | 10:14 |
| achipa | we'll see in two months how many ex-loaners will return to the fold :) | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | probably addicted at that point | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | "first one is free" | 10:15 |
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| achipa | I still like to run my Qt stuff on it, tho, mostly because of the bigger screen and extra buttons | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | i can also help with some low level things now as well now, since i have serial access to my n810 now | 10:16 |
| achipa | (but technically that's a double addiction, to both N8x0 and N900 :) ) | 10:16 |
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| achipa | great | 10:17 |
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| Stskeeps | even though my primary contribution lately has been the whole GLES drivers SNAFU | 10:17 |
| achipa | apropos SNAFU, is it me or is extras slightly tilted ? (at least some packages) | 10:18 |
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| achipa | I have a very bad case of version mixitis across extras and extras-testing | 10:19 |
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| achipa | with some tracks of someone trying to clean the mess :) | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | no idea, it's not my job :) | 10:21 |
| * achipa goes back to poking Niels :) | 10:22 | |
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| achipa | aaand yes, it's the exact issue I was suggesting a few months back - someone depending on my packages promoted to testing while I was also in testing quarantine so now half of my packages have one version, and half another.... | 10:31 |
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| sar3th | Wolfie: building vlmc on windows = pain :( | 10:32 |
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| sar3th | at least using msvc | 10:32 |
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| mece | Woo! KDE plugs N900! :D http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.4/ | 10:42 |
| jacekowski | where does it say that it works on n900? | 10:43 |
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| Speedy1 | www.search2.net | 10:44 |
| * Stskeeps dreamt last night he smashed up his n900 | 10:45 | |
| Stskeeps | horrid dream | 10:45 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, but it's safe now..? right? | 10:46 |
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| mece | jacekowski, did you mean the kde thing? just look at the video on that page. | 10:47 |
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| Stskeeps | mece: seems so | 10:47 |
| frals | Stskeeps: he, i dreamt my brother borrowed mine and ruined the screen | 10:47 |
| frals | thank god it was just a dream :p | 10:47 |
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| libben | why do my phone tell me i dont have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archive? | 10:53 |
| xt | because it's full | 10:54 |
| libben | well duh =) | 10:54 |
| libben | but i have a clean phone | 10:54 |
| libben | i have like 3 apps installed =) | 10:54 |
| libben | i just installed supertux and went for wormux | 10:54 |
| libben | i did apt-get clean | 10:54 |
| xt | well..your phone disagrees | 10:54 |
| frals | what does df -h say? | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | libben: you shouldn't use apt if you don't know how to divert it's cache | 10:55 |
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| libben | im looking at that now | 10:55 |
| mece | apt temporarely downloads the whole thing there, so if you dl for example openarena with apt, it's not going to work unless you move apt-cache | 10:56 |
| libben | yeah i know | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html - My openness report, finally out | 10:57 |
| libben | i taught apt-get clean would clear my cache folder | 10:57 |
| mece | libben, well what did df -h say? | 10:59 |
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| libben | mece: im not sure for what to look for in df -h cause the /var aint mapped. but the / har 52 mb free... and i need over 90 mb. so ill guess i need to clean house | 11:01 |
| libben | but why aint apt-get clean doing that? | 11:01 |
| frals | great stuff Stskeeps :) | 11:02 |
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| wazd | Mourning all | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | morn wazd | 11:06 |
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| mece | libben, what do you need 90mb for? | 11:06 |
| mece | libben I don't think it's possible to get 90 mb free rootfs | 11:07 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: sorry, missed your message yesterday, no, I don't have html yet :( | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: k - i sent it out now anyway, so we'll freshen it up when we have time | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | it won't be the last openness report so | 11:08 |
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| wazd | Ah, oke | 11:10 |
| mece | Stskeeps, you tweet! Who knew? | 11:12 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: cure yourself! | 11:16 |
| mece | lol | 11:17 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:20 |
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| hrw | someone remember which automake/autoconf is used in maemo sdk? | 11:20 |
| wazd | Moaning hrw :) | 11:20 |
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| RST38h | mourning wazd hrw | 11:24 |
| wazd | Rst38h: heya | 11:24 |
| pekuja | what are you mourning? :-( | 11:25 |
| RST38h | life? | 11:25 |
| pekuja | :-( | 11:25 |
| mece | pekuja, why so serious? ;) | 11:25 |
| wazd | Rst38h: have you seen the news bout epic battleship: the movie?)) | 11:26 |
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| RST38h | wazd: not yet, url? =) | 11:26 |
| pekuja | mece: I'm mourning life :-( | 11:26 |
| wazd | rst38h: somewhere on the lenta.ru | 11:27 |
| RST38h | a'ok | 11:27 |
| libben | mece: wormux needs over 70 mb i think | 11:27 |
| wazd | Rst38h: I'm still waiting for Tic-tac-toe: the judgement day :D | 11:27 |
| mece | pekuja, perhas some robot-pirates-vs-dinosaur-riding-zombie-ninjas apocalypse will cheer you up: robot-pirates-vs-dinosaur-riding-zombie-ninjas apocalypse | 11:27 |
| libben | thats why i cant use apt-get install with it | 11:27 |
| libben | getting it from app manager instead | 11:27 |
| mece | libben is it not optified? | 11:27 |
| mece | libben, just move apt cache folder to opt and symlink it. | 11:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: Not seeing it | 11:28 |
| * Stskeeps waits for planet to pick up his blog pots | 11:28 | |
| Stskeeps | st | 11:28 |
| mece | pekuja: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20100210 | 11:28 |
| * RST38h , personally, is waiting for Hyperion the movie =) | 11:28 | |
| * mece forgot to paste the link | 11:28 | |
| pekuja | mece: hmm, that's tough | 11:28 |
| libben | mece: im taking it from app manager instead | 11:28 |
| mece | libben, ok. | 11:29 |
| wazd | Rst38h: I'm at the army dep now | 11:29 |
| libben | im not that comfortable with symlinking and so on | 11:29 |
| RST38h | (all the time being aware that they will most likely ruin it anyway) | 11:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: *again*? | 11:29 |
| libben | ive done it before... but im not that kind of superuser. | 11:29 |
| pekuja | ninjas are awesome, but I have to think zombification will make them weaker... but then they have dinosaurs | 11:29 |
| wazd | rst38h: yep, last time I hope :D | 11:29 |
| mece | pekuja, yeah, without dinosaurs the robot-pirates would have the upper hand | 11:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: well, actually, speaking of battleship the movie etc, there is Battle Royale and Battle Royale II. Don't you think these qualify into the genre? =) | 11:30 |
| libben | but ill take it that apt-get clean still cleans out the cache folder? | 11:30 |
| mece | libben, yes it does. | 11:30 |
| libben | someone should write a deb file for getting apt-cache moved to opt instead | 11:31 |
| wazd | Rst38h: maybe :) | 11:31 |
| libben | so noobs just can hook it without being leet =) | 11:31 |
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| wazd | Rst38h: and Universal want to moviefy Monopoly btw | 11:31 |
| mece | WTF? freeing up rootfs space suggests dist-upgrade. That's just very wrong! | 11:31 |
| pekuja | wazd: who's going to play Shoe? | 11:32 |
| wazd | Pekuja: shoe, hat, dog and a car are fighting each other to get control over the city | 11:33 |
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| wazd | Noire included :D | 11:33 |
| mece | lol | 11:33 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 11:34 | |
| timeless_mbp | can someone explain to me how to get a vpnc that supports ssl? :) | 11:34 |
| mece | been hearing a lot of grumbling from you lately timeless_mbp | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: oh, i grumble semi regularly :) | 11:34 |
| mece | :) | 11:35 |
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| * lupine_86 is wondering which video format and dimensions will get him acceptable watchability on the N900 | 11:35 | |
| timeless_mbp | but you should use /me | 11:35 |
| lupine_86 | my Hellsing MKVs just don't seem to play smoothly | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | lupine_86: there's a project for that | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | something like video converter | 11:35 |
| wazd | Hellsingi | 11:35 |
| lupine_86 | well, ideally I'd not need to convert anything ;), but I appreciate the CPU is fairly limited | 11:35 |
| mece | lupine_86, scene xvid format works fine for me. dunno what they use though. | 11:36 |
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| jacekowski | 600MHz? | 11:36 |
| * lupine_86 has had to resort to mplayer since the various frontends have all ripped out support for subtitles(!) and alternative audio tracks(!!) | 11:36 | |
| lupine_86 | mm | 11:36 |
| jacekowski | that's more than enough to play pretty much everything | 11:36 |
| jacekowski | lupine_86: who needs subtitles? | 11:36 |
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| lupine_86 | anyone who's using an alternative audio track in a language they don't understand | 11:36 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: .... | 11:37 |
| lupine_86 | plus, you know, the hard of hearing | 11:37 |
| mece | hahaha | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | lupine_86: are you using tvout? | 11:37 |
| lupine_86 | no, just on the main screen | 11:37 |
| lupine_86 | I'd imagine it's the scaling that's killing performance | 11:37 |
| mgedmin | which -vo? | 11:37 |
| jacekowski | lupine_86: scaling can be accelerated | 11:37 |
| lupine_86 | I tried gl and gl2, but they weren't supported(!) so I went with x11 | 11:38 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes mgedmin | 11:38 | |
| * mgedmin jumps | 11:38 | |
| jacekowski | try xv | 11:38 |
| lupine_86 | maybe I'll try xv | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: i think i left something for you in the logs, did you see it? | 11:38 |
| lupine_86 | yeah | 11:38 |
| mgedmin | lupine_86, xv! | 11:38 |
| jacekowski | or null | 11:38 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp, lemmecheck | 11:38 |
| jacekowski | null is really fast | 11:38 |
| lupine_86 | why isn't gl2 supported, anyway? ;) | 11:38 |
| * mgedmin stopped reading logs when the traffic became unmanageable | 11:38 | |
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| mgedmin | yep, I was offline at 3am in the morning | 11:39 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp, I see you looking for me, but not the reason why | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | you left a comment on a blog | 11:40 |
| mgedmin | that's possible | 11:40 |
| * timeless_mbp tries to figure out how to find the blog | 11:40 | |
| lupine_86 | xv seems better, but it still doesn't keep up | 11:40 |
| mgedmin | lupine_86, what's the video resolution and format? | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: oh | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly just noting that 'voting' for a bug is a way to subscribe for it | 11:42 |
| mgedmin | ah | 11:42 |
| mgedmin | the "me too" suggestion | 11:42 |
| lupine_86 | matroska, 640x480, codec avc1, 24bpp 30fps | 11:42 |
| mgedmin | I imagine someone might want to subscribe without voting (e.g. when they've already used up all their votes) | 11:42 |
| lupine_86 | Selected video codec: [ffh264] | 11:43 |
| * mgedmin sits back, curiosity satisfied | 11:43 | |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 11:44 | |
| pcfe | does someone have a fresh, not messed with N900 at hand? I'd like to know what "grep root /etc/passwd" gives on an as-shipped device | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | pcfe: probably a hash of 'rootme' | 11:44 |
| mgedmin | more likely a ! in the password field | 11:44 |
| mece | no it's like ! or something.. wtf was it | 11:44 |
| pcfe | stanojr: that is what I think but I would like a verification | 11:44 |
| mece | yes ! it is. | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | the password should be in shadow iirc | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | or do we still not use shadow? | 11:45 |
| pcfe | mece: ah excellent that answrs my question | 11:45 |
| WZhang | exactly, pw in shadow, user/shell in passwd | 11:45 |
| mgedmin | timeless_mbp, nope, no shadow | 11:45 |
| mece | pcfe, I'm really not sure though. | 11:45 |
| pcfe | sec, it's just that bug I'm updatibng | 11:45 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 11:45 | |
| mece | ! means no login, amIright? | 11:45 |
| pcfe | hrmm, I'd really like to know if it's a hashed rootme (which I expect) or '!' | 11:45 |
| pupnik_ | thanks stskeeps for the only interesting thing in scrollback | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | WZhang: except on embedded systems where the benefit of shadow is really minimal | 11:46 |
| mgedmin | mece, correct, locked account | 11:46 |
| WZhang | true | 11:46 |
| mgedmin | pcfe, older maemo versions had hashed rootme; newer ones have a locked root account | 11:46 |
| WZhang | I have somewhere here some unopened N900, if you really need it i look later | 11:46 |
| pcfe | mgedmin: so it's dev mode and or gainroot that changes it | 11:47 |
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| mgedmin | pcfe, no, neither of those touches /etc/passwd | 11:47 |
| mgedmin | openssh-server postinst does | 11:47 |
| pcfe | WZhang: if mgedmin is sure, that's enough | 11:47 |
| WZhang | k | 11:48 |
| pcfe | mgedmin: good, meaning no NOK package does it, meaning getting 8856 fioxed looks improbable, ah well | 11:48 |
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| mece | hmm this one made me smile: http://www.360east.com/?p=1211 | 11:49 |
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| pupnik_ | konttori: ssvbs libjpeg patch is nice, but the problem is desynched tracker info. there must be a way to update filesystem media tracker in O(1) time when a file is written or deleted | 11:50 |
| konttori | sorry, what are you talking about? | 11:51 |
| konttori | I mean, what case do you really mean? | 11:51 |
| pupnik_ | catching up on scrolback: morning! | 11:51 |
| pupnik_ | my photos app is not showing proper files | 11:52 |
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| pupnik_ | it shows missing files and fails to how existing ones | 11:52 |
| pupnik_ | and that should be solid and not need to slowly scan anything | 11:53 |
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| Myrtti | ~seen dneary | 11:56 |
| infobot | dneary <~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 17h 42m 17s ago, saying: 'Done'. | 11:56 |
| Myrtti | meh | 11:56 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 11:57 | |
| * timeless_mbp has a fork somewhere and has no idea why | 11:57 | |
| sar3th | will i need the nokia binaries for compiling programs like gcc? | 11:57 |
| sar3th | (scratchbox question) | 11:58 |
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| konttori | pupnik_: hmm... sounds like a serious issue in tracker (or image viewer side) | 11:58 |
| mece | sar3th, I don't think so, unless the program you compile depends on some nokia libraries | 11:59 |
| sar3th | ty mece :) | 11:59 |
| mece | sar3th, don't thank me until you've tried... I'm not quite sure, since I just installed the nok binaries right away. | 12:00 |
| mece | sar3th, but I think you only need them to test stuff, and not compiling. | 12:00 |
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| * timeless_mbp is horribly confused :( | 12:06 | |
| * Myrtti cries, my teeth hurt so much I can't take a painkiller | 12:07 | |
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| timeless_mbp | oops | 12:11 |
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| * mgedmin hugs Myrtti | 12:12 | |
| mgedmin | ouch | 12:12 |
| Myrtti | the irony is I just came from dentist | 12:13 |
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| Antti_Alien | hi | 12:16 |
| Antti_Alien | i'm trying to get a full copy of the rootfs from my n900 so i could copy it back with the flasher tool | 12:16 |
| wazd | Myrtti: iou ame arom a enfist? :D | 12:16 |
| Antti_Alien | could someone give some tips on that? | 12:16 |
| * RST38h moos at Myrtti | 12:17 | |
| Antti_Alien | copying files and creating an ubifs image didn't work, and dd'ing works only randomly as there are files open for writing | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | Antti_Alien: mer-project.blogspot.com has a post on making a ubifs image. my trick is rsync -aHx / to a ext3 partition, and copying /dev | 12:18 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: http://imaginism.deviantart.com/art/Hello-Kitty-Painting-Impostor-141493828 | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | there's also a flash specific dumper, which has been mentioned here before | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | but personally i prefer rsync | 12:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: How can I install vulture's eye on n800 btw?) it's too huge | 12:19 |
| Myrtti | awwww | 12:19 |
| WZhang | doesnt i load the files from a SD card? | 12:19 |
| Myrtti | cute | 12:19 |
| WZhang | if not just install OS on SD card and boot from it | 12:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: link /opt to the card | 12:20 |
| WZhang | (or symlink the directory to a SD card) | 12:20 |
| Antti_Alien | Stskeeps: i've followed those steps, but the problem is that i didn't get a full copy of the file system to create the image from :/ | 12:20 |
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| RST38h | wazd: javispedro has done some work on Vulture's Maemo4 install, ask him for details | 12:20 |
| Antti_Alien | but i could try again with rsync | 12:20 |
| wazd | Rst38h: and in human language?) | 12:20 |
| wazd | Rst38h: ah, ok | 12:21 |
| WZhang | RST38h: but better only to the internal card, and not the external | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | Antti_Alien: make sure your host PC doesn't mount the partition nodev,nosuid | 12:21 |
| Antti_Alien | ok | 12:21 |
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| Lantizia | Although VNC over WiFi (view N900 on your PC) is great... it's a tad slow... is it possible to make an IP connection to the N900 over the USB on windows? | 12:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | Lantizia: you just need to get a usb-networking driver for windows :) | 12:26 |
| MiXu- | Lantizia: Not in windows but you can set up a small linux virtual machine for that. | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | they exist somewhere | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | MiXu-: not true | 12:26 |
| WZhang | Should not be to hard to make it for Windows too, i seen that on the Motorola V8 | 12:26 |
| MiXu- | timeless_mbp: Last time I checked I couldn't find one. | 12:26 |
| MiXu- | That was about 3 months ago | 12:27 |
| sar3th | is it possible to take care of the usb1.1 bug in windows in another way than turning the device off before connecting? | 12:27 |
| Lantizia | timeless_mbp: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | sar3th: eh? | 12:27 |
| Lantizia | you mean like that - but with windows? | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | Lantizia: so. the problem is that windows doesn't come w/ usb networking drivers | 12:27 |
| MiXu- | Yes. | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | unlike the n900, normal linux and os x | 12:27 |
| sar3th | timeless_mbp: if i connect the n900 via usb to /my/ computer and select mass storage, it's recognized as a usb1.1 device | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | but if you can find that driver, then yes | 12:28 |
| sar3th | timeless_mbp: i've found somewhere on talk.maemo.org that you need to turn off the n900 before plugging in, then it'll work | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | sar3th: how many usb ports does your computer have? | 12:28 |
| sar3th | timeless_mbp: 8 i think | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | are they all usb2? | 12:28 |
| sar3th | yes | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | sar3th: is there a bug in bugs.maemo.org talking about this? | 12:29 |
| * timeless_mbp certainly hasn't noticed such behavior | 12:29 | |
| MiXu- | I think it's a windows bug | 12:29 |
| * timeless_mbp hasn't really tried to copy large files | 12:29 | |
| sar3th | i haven't checked on bugs.maemo | 12:29 |
| MiXu- | Changing to another usb port helps sometimes. | 12:29 |
| mece | hehe, f2thak brings teh lulz | 12:30 |
| sar3th | on another pc, it doesn't occur, mabye HAL fail? | 12:30 |
| sar3th | MiXu-: i tried that, unsuccessfully :( | 12:30 |
| MiXu- | try updating any drivers on the problem pc | 12:30 |
| mece | apparently he's "removed a kernel" :) | 12:30 |
| pupnik_ | there must be a way to speed up apt-get to not take O(N) time on every download | 12:30 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: You know you've spelled "dependencies" wrong, right? ;-) | 12:30 |
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| sar3th | MiXu-: drivers are up to date | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | pupnik_: pdiff? | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: did you see my first round of fixes? :) | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | oh fsck | 12:31 |
| * timeless_mbp misses while trying to click a link | 12:31 | |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/source/MCL/sf/mw/accesssec/.hg/patches/dependency | 12:31 |
| pupnik_ | X-Fade: maybe, but i suspect it is rescanning the entire db locally | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | pupnik_: yeah, that is just a download thing. | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: :P | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | pupnik_: apt database just doesn't seem to scale well. | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik_: flat files are fun! | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | they're terribly efficient when they're 10 lines long :) | 12:35 |
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| MiXu- | sar3th: Hmm. This may be a long shot, but are you using a Nokia cable or something else? | 12:37 |
| pupnik_ | timeless_mbp: X-Fade - im googling a bit. some ppl talk of using a mysql db instead... | 12:37 |
| sar3th | MiXu-: nokia cable | 12:37 |
| sar3th | the one which was in the package | 12:37 |
| MiXu- | Ok, never mind then | 12:37 |
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| sar3th | i can't find the bug in bugzilla..will re-check my drivers now (last check was 1 week ago) | 12:38 |
| pupnik_ | otoh the problem only really hits devices with -devel enabled atm | 12:38 |
| MiXu- | If you're using drivers from your mobo manufacturer, you could try drivers directly from your chipset manufacturer and vice versa. | 12:39 |
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| sar3th | MiXu-: i had bad experience with the drivers directly from the mobo manufacter (nForce chipset), so i always use the current ones from the chipset manufactor (nvidia), and it seems, they really HAVE released an update :O | 12:40 |
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| MiXu- | :) | 12:41 |
| sar3th | hwy didn't i find them last wekk >_> they are from january.. | 12:42 |
| sar3th | *why | 12:42 |
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| * timeless_mbp tries to figure out http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/NDIS/usbrndis.mspx | 12:42 | |
| w00t | have fun with that | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | speaking of random usb stuff | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a new eMMC image coming | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | if someone actually cares about linux audio player support | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | could they speak now? | 12:44 |
| sar3th | bbl, driver update now | 12:44 |
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| mgedmin | what is this "linux audio player" support thing? | 12:47 |
| mgedmin | plug in N900, have Rhythmbox/Banshee/whatever see it as an audio device? | 12:47 |
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| MiXu- | Are you saying it's actually required to reflash the emmc to get that support? | 12:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: yeah that thing | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | MiXu-: so... | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | one or more of those stupid apps has decided to "support" a file that explains how they should manage a usb mass storage volume | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly none of them decided to document it | 12:55 |
| zerojay | timeless_mbp: I do. | 12:56 |
| zerojay | lol | 12:56 |
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| zerojay | anyone awake that can help me with a problem I'm getting in my attempts to use pre/postinstall scripts from py2deb? | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | zerojay: anyway, did you see the final version of accesssec's patch series? :) | 12:58 |
| dazo | timeless_mbp: I'm interested as well ... got a link to somewhere? | 12:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | dazo: to the nonexistent documentation? | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | sure google shows lots of people not finding it :) | 12:59 |
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| dazo | timeless_mbp: to whatever is available .... even testable code :) | 12:59 |
| dazo | timeless_mbp: you're sure it's not using the MTP protocol? | 13:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | dazo: i'm sure i'm talking about usb mass storage | 13:00 |
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| zerojay | timeless_mbp: I have no idea who that is. | 13:02 |
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| satmd | is the n900 able to simulate a usb keyboard? | 13:05 |
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| pupnik_ | i hope max_pty is increased in pr1.2 | 13:05 |
| flux | :) | 13:06 |
| MiXu- | satmd: Why would you want to do such a thing? :) | 13:06 |
| flux | satmd, that's a good question, hardware-wise I would imagine that's possible. however, why would you want to?-) | 13:06 |
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| MiXu- | Bluetooth keyboard for PS3 for example -> A good idea. But real usb keyboards cost like five euros. So why bother with the N900? | 13:08 |
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| sar3th | diver update complete, cross your fingers MiXu- ^^ | 13:10 |
| mece | what's the maemo 5 blogging program called again? | 13:10 |
| MiXu- | :) | 13:10 |
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| zerojay | MaStory? | 13:11 |
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| mece | Zerojay, yes, thank you. | 13:12 |
| mece | zerojay, is it good? Seems like a pretty cool application. | 13:12 |
| zerojay | It is. | 13:13 |
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| zerojay | And the guy behind it has been working on it for quite a while now. Very open to fixing problems if you bring them up to him. | 13:15 |
| pupnik_ | hmmm there is an apt2 | 13:15 |
| Jaffa | konttori: ping | 13:15 |
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| * satmd pongs :p | 13:16 | |
| ifreq | pinnng | 13:16 |
| sar3th | MiXu-: still same problem :( | 13:18 |
| sar3th | i removed it from the device manager to be sure | 13:18 |
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| * Damion2 will check back in if I get connectivity whilst in singapore/NZ for the next month, see you. | 13:22 | |
| sar3th | ooh wait, i think it works now.. | 13:22 |
| sar3th | no sure though | 13:23 |
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| konttori | Jaffa: pong | 13:25 |
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| zerojay | konttori: Know anything about getting post/preinstall scripts to work from py2deb? | 13:26 |
| * wazd now can leave his country | 13:26 | |
| Stskeeps | \o/ | 13:27 |
| * Stskeeps gets out the beer | 13:27 | |
| satmd | MiXu-: I have a router running an encrypted root partition, and I could use this to enter the code | 13:27 |
| satmd | embedded headless machine that is | 13:28 |
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| till- | what about an bluetooth-usb stick and bluemaemo? | 13:29 |
| satmd | no bluetooth-support in the initrd | 13:29 |
| satmd | I think that' bloat the initrd too much | 13:29 |
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| Jaffa | konttori: We were wondering if you might want to push a fix for bug 8955 in PR 1.2 ;-) | 13:30 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8955 Long application names (labels) in the menu are cut at the end | 13:30 |
| till- | but it may be simpler than to write an usb-keybd app | 13:30 |
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| zerojay | Jaffa: Yes, please. | 13:30 |
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| zerojay | wb | 13:31 |
| Oyvindra | Hi, is there any way to make the address bar on my N900 not pop up when I click links/go back? | 13:31 |
| MiXu- | satmd: I see. But still wouldn't it be easier to just get a real usb-keyboard? :) | 13:31 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: Given hildon-desktop's open source, I suppose we could come up with a patch, but if it's WONTFIX from Nokia there's no guarantee it'd be merged | 13:31 |
| satmd | don't think so, I would have to hardcode the pin, too | 13:31 |
| satmd | MiXu-: true | 13:32 |
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| satmd | well, I could to with minicom + serial, too | 13:32 |
| satmd | that'd be even better | 13:32 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: And konttori's hildon-desktop devs will know the code better ;-) | 13:32 |
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| MiXu- | Is there a way to set up an internet connection for scratchbox? | 13:32 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: sure | 13:32 |
| crashanddie | MiXu-: sure | 13:32 |
| hrw | Jaffa: if patch would exists then community can provide own packages | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I'll release a version this weekend | 13:33 |
| Jaffa | hrw: indeed, but patch doesn't exist | 13:33 |
| MiXu- | No wait... It works out of the box :D | 13:33 |
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| MiXu- | something wrong with the apt then | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: will be pretty basic but will have good foundations to build upon | 13:33 |
| pupnik | jebba is awesome. a review of HAM / apt issues on fremantle: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/scratchbox/maemo-af/hildon-application-manager/git/mainline/PAST | 13:33 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Cool stuff | 13:34 |
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| pupnik | the long waits are from apt-worker | 13:34 |
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| zerojay | Damn it... I can't get these pre/postinstall scripts to run after packaging with py2deb. Nothing but errors with zero detail. | 13:34 |
| pupnik | ha ha | 13:34 |
| konttori | Jaffa, what was the issue? my irc client restarted and I missed what you asked from me | 13:34 |
| pupnik | :( | 13:34 |
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| hrw | pupnik: http://maemo.gitorious.com/hildon-application-manager/mainline/blobs/master/PAST is original | 13:40 |
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| Jaffa | konttori: Bug 8955 | 13:41 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8955 Long application names (labels) in the menu are cut at the end | 13:41 |
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| konttori | Jaffa: there is no good wrapping in gtk either. | 13:43 |
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| pupnik | hrw yeah right. sry. fascinating the complexity! | 13:43 |
| Jaffa | konttori: Gtk+'s is good enough for App Mgr, though | 13:44 |
| konttori | My issue is that it's better to force for shorted app names for the grid. | 13:44 |
| hrw | konttori: better or cheaper? | 13:45 |
| pupnik | hrw: as usual, i discover that there is no asy fix to this :) | 13:46 |
| konttori | anyway, it cannot be pushed to pr1.2 anymore, but after that, if you gus really want it in and can make a patch, we can integrate it (if it only triggers for the longer than 12 letters cases) | 13:46 |
| konttori | looks better. | 13:46 |
| konttori | the icon should be the primary source of information | 13:46 |
| hrw | having them shorter == one small fix in doc and no devtime. having them wordwrapped == devtime rather longer then doc update | 13:46 |
| konttori | sure, but also, long names in a grid make the grid look messy | 13:47 |
| hrw | PalmOS had that | 13:47 |
| hrw | but no, PalmOS is not good comparison | 13:48 |
| hrw | as it had things in 199x which are not yet in maemo5 | 13:48 |
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| * pupnik puts whine cap on hrw :) | 13:50 | |
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| hrw | uf - after bumping automake/autoconf I got vala-native built. one more step to get OpenEmbedded building maemo5 compatible packages | 13:51 |
| pupnik | cool | 13:52 |
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| hrw | bad effect is that my stuff will need me to run repo instead of pushing to extras | 13:53 |
| hrw | but I can live with it | 13:53 |
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| pupnik | due to automake/autoconf version? | 13:53 |
| hrw | no, extras rebuild stuff with maemosdk and debian/rules packaging | 13:54 |
| hrw | and I do not want to push free stuff to non-free repo | 13:54 |
| konttori | I would do that | 13:54 |
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| konttori | anyway, the name of the non-free is bad, but really, a repo like that is needed | 13:55 |
| * WZhang is playing >>The Soundlovers<< - >>Surrender<< | 13:55 | |
| WZhang | whoops, sorry - wrong channel :P | 13:55 |
| konttori | anyway, now also deb installation works, so perhaps you could also use that to your advantage | 13:56 |
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| pupnik | whats in a name? capulet, montague, non-free... | 13:57 |
| hrw | not-autobuilt-maybe-also-not-open | 13:58 |
| dazo | timeless_mbp: sorry, had to run out for a while | 14:01 |
| pupnik | lol if maemo allows not-autobuilt... | 14:01 |
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| * dazo finds the usb cable and plugs it in | 14:01 | |
| pupnik | extras-untrusted :) | 14:02 |
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| hrw | pupnik: extras-maemosdksuxx | 14:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | konttori: "contrib"? | 14:03 |
| hrw | so in the end we will finish with extras/contrib/USERNAME/ | 14:03 |
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| konttori | timeless_mbp: as the new name? well, "binary"? | 14:04 |
| timeless_mbp | extras/contrib/org.example/USERNAME | 14:04 |
| zerojay | How often are packages imported into extras-devel from autobuilder? | 14:05 |
| timeless_mbp | 'free' and 'binary' don't really work | 14:05 |
| timeless_mbp | surely the stuff in 'free' contains binaries that I, a user, can install? | 14:05 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: Instantly. | 14:05 |
| timeless_mbp | zerojay: successfully? :) | 14:05 |
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| konttori | closed? | 14:05 |
| zerojay | Seems like every 30 minutes. | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | me pokes X-Fade about karma updates | 14:05 |
| hrw | konttori: closed != non-free | 14:06 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: No, there is 30 minutes cache on the repositories. | 14:06 |
| tekojo | crashanddie karma should be fixed now | 14:06 |
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| crashanddie | tekojo: oh realy? | 14:06 |
| hrw | konttori: Mauku was non-free but not closed | 14:06 |
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| tekojo | just takes a day to run | 14:06 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Applied a fix an hour ago. | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | oh cool | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | what was the issue? | 14:06 |
| X-Fade | Indexed the same people all over ;) | 14:06 |
| X-Fade | Instead of moving on. | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | interesting | 14:07 |
| * timeless_mbp still likes contrib | 14:07 | |
| timeless_mbp | contrib roughly means "foreign binary" | 14:07 |
| konttori | anyway, we cannot change the name anymore, so it was more academic anyway | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: so when will it be updated? | 14:08 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 14:08 | |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Indexes 1200 per hour, ordered by last-updated. | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | cool | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | So depends on where you are in that ordering. | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | so 24 hours for the whole community, me thinks | 14:09 |
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| tekojo | crashanddie 25 hours | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | Yeah a bit more. | 14:10 |
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| tekojo | the count is over 30000 now | 14:10 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, btw, this page: http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ has a fix to only display 'fresh' apps with screenshots, but the front page doesn't have anymore(never had ?) | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | that was close enough :P | 14:10 |
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| tybollt | ugh | 14:10 |
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| X-Fade | VDVsx: No idea, I didn't create that at least. | 14:11 |
| VDVsx | humm | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | VDVsx: you know this by heart, what's the ratio of karma for ITT Thanks? | 14:11 |
| VDVsx | srt(thanks)*8 IIRC | 14:12 |
| VDVsx | *sqrt | 14:12 |
| zerojay | http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma | 14:12 |
| VDVsx | yup, is that :D | 14:12 |
| crashanddie | zerojay: I said by heart | 14:12 |
| crashanddie | ~sqrt(270) | 14:13 |
| crashanddie | ~stupid | 14:13 |
| infobot | it has been said that stupid is http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif | 14:13 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 14:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - why might bugs reported not track for karma. | 14:14 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/search?string=asynchronic | 14:14 |
| crashanddie | god karma is useless | 14:15 |
| ruskie | non-free - z-rejected ;) anything that for whatever reason cannot go into free ;) | 14:15 |
| crashanddie | human karma as well, for that matter | 14:15 |
| VDVsx | SpeedEvil, humm ? | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | VDVsx: | 14:15 |
| crashanddie | jesus... this internet connection isn't even powerful enough to stream audio... | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I was idly wondering why my karma had no contribution from the several bugs I've reported. | 14:15 |
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| VDVsx | SpeedEvil, karma is currently stuck | 14:16 |
| VDVsx | should be fine tomorrow it seems | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: X-Fade just updated the script | 14:17 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 14:17 | |
| timeless_mbp | xerces sucks | 14:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/search?string=binarily | 14:17 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: it reads if ($username != SpeedEvil) // process karma | 14:17 |
| crashanddie | so I'm working on this massive project | 14:18 |
| ruskie | Access denied: You need the privilege midgard:update. <-- wth | 14:18 |
| crashanddie | database kids, fasten your seatbelt | 14:18 |
| crashanddie | to process 200 users, we're hitting not very far from 1.2 million queries | 14:18 |
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| zerojay | damn | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | VDVsx: naah - for >1 month now | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: yes, the fix has just been implemented | 14:19 |
| VDVsx | yup | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: karma counter has been running in circles for months | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | How many people are participating in the 360meter study? (invite only use-case study) | 14:21 |
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| asj_ | SpeedEvil: I am, or was anyways | 14:22 |
| mece | frals, ping? | 14:22 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders how many got invites. | 14:22 | |
| frals | pong | 14:22 |
| asj_ | SpeedEvil: it's not all invite only | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not? | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:23 |
| asj_ | SpeedEvil: I had to disable the repo a while back since it was timing out, you still have yours on? | 14:23 |
| mece | frals, is fAPN (still) needed to get this fMMS thingamabob working? | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | asj_: repo? yes-download worked fine | 14:24 |
| frals | if you need a separate APN for fetching MMS, yes ;) | 14:24 |
| asj_ | SpeedEvil: ok | 14:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | asj_: currentlylogging everything I do (in an anonymised way) | 14:24 |
| mece | frals, hmm.. do I? I don't know what an APN is :) | 14:24 |
| frals | X-Fade: could you check why fMMS 0.3.3 isnt making it into the repos? it's listed at http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/fmms/0.3.3-1/ but still havent showed up on device | 14:24 |
| crashanddie | I need to find a cheap dedicated vps or rps in the UK, ideas anyone? | 14:25 |
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| crashanddie | requirements: unlimited bandwidth, and at least 20 gigs of HD | 14:25 |
| mece | frals, apparently one was needed before, so I guess I need it. | 14:25 |
| frals | mece: depends on your operator, if they got different details for internet and mms listed | 14:25 |
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| Anidel | hi there | 14:25 |
| mece | frals, ah yes. I believe they do. Saunalahti... | 14:25 |
| X-Fade | frals: Yes, I think I know what happened there :( | 14:25 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: why uk? | 14:26 |
| frals | mece: then you need it - exact settings are on wiki.maemo.org/MMS | 14:26 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: bbc iplayer :P | 14:26 |
| mece | frals, great, thanks! | 14:26 |
| frals | X-Fade: something I should do? :) | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:26 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: aka iFAIL :) | 14:26 |
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| crashanddie | tybollt: aka iPwn on good shows and good quality | 14:27 |
| tybollt | meh | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | frals: There was a nice bug in repo cleanup which moved the file to trash. | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | frals: Will fix. | 14:27 |
| timeless_mbp | zerojay: any idea what http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/search?string=constaiting means? | 14:27 |
| frals | X-Fade: thanks :) | 14:27 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: the reduced quality of HD ... you know.. it was even in /. :) | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | frals: Well, the issue was fixed. Just need to put the files back in place. | 14:27 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: sorry, but being human, top gear and merlin are enough to warrant it ;) | 14:27 |
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| tybollt | ja, I like top gear too | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: oh, and spotify as well | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | frals: Let me get a quick lunch and then I'll fix it for you. | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | but yeah, you're right, I should probably go with the cheap dedicated CPU option... 10 quid per month ain't that bad for something hosted in france | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. Silly me. bugzilla name is different to the rest of the maemo account. is there a way to tell it? | 14:29 |
| frals | X-Fade: no rush :) thanks :) | 14:29 |
| tybollt | I ought to use that but ... meh... can't be arsed to =) | 14:29 |
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| Anidel | frals read your tweet.. cool :) | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | (that bugzilla name = speedevil for the purposes of karma) | 14:29 |
| * Anidel hungry... ttyl | 14:30 | |
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| hrw | ha! mdbus2 works on maemo5 now ;) | 14:33 |
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| tybollt | optified? | 14:34 |
| hrw | 22KB? | 14:35 |
| tybollt | oh =) | 14:35 |
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| thresh | every byte counts! | 14:37 |
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| thresh | 22k here, 22k there and we end up with tons of stuff on / | 14:37 |
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| hrw | blah blah blah | 14:39 |
| hrw | thats on my device not yours | 14:39 |
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| hrw | hi dneary | 14:42 |
| dneary | hi hrw | 14:42 |
| lingling92 | hello, anyone ever heard of the problem that you can't download from ovi-store? | 14:43 |
| hrw | dneary: fosdem needs to be longer as we did not finally had a time to talk | 14:43 |
| dneary | Very true | 14:43 |
| dneary | But if it was longer, it wouldn't be FOSDEM | 14:43 |
| hrw | but rather FOSDEC | 14:44 |
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| cos^ | hm, is gpe todo installable from repository? | 14:52 |
| cos^ | whines about gpe-summary dependency when i try to install | 14:53 |
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| lingling92 | anyone ever heard of the problem that you can't download from ovi-store via wifi? | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | lingling92: Do you have a locked version? | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | lingling92: E.g. UK voda? | 15:00 |
| lingling92 | no | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | Then, no. | 15:00 |
| lingling92 | :( | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | lingling92: Most recent firmware? | 15:01 |
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| lingling92 | 2.2009.51-1 | 15:01 |
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| X-Fade | lingling92: should work. | 15:04 |
| lingling92 | yes, should but does not | 15:04 |
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| roshenia_ | when media player will be more powerfull? | 15:05 |
| timeless_mbp | roshenia_: eh? | 15:07 |
| roshenia_ | media playes is so sux in my n900 | 15:08 |
| timeless_mbp | Do you speak English? | 15:08 |
| timeless_mbp | could you please try harder? | 15:08 |
| hrw | roshenia_: try alternatives ones: mediabox for example | 15:09 |
| hrw | too bad that Canola lacks maemo5 version | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | actually, I'm interested too: are there any media players for the n900 that don't suck? | 15:09 |
| roshenia_ | mediabox is better? | 15:09 |
| timeless_mbp | if you described an actual problem, people might be able to suggest something | 15:10 |
| hrw | roshenia_: no idea, try | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | but saying "foo sux" | 15:10 |
| roshenia_ | hmmm | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | doesn't help people divine *why* you think "foo sux" | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | and those suggest something which would not "sux" according to your secret definition of "sux" | 15:10 |
| roshenia_ | timeless_mbp, for example: album\artist sort | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | this is Music and not Videos? | 15:11 |
| hrw | videos lacks any sorting/grouping | 15:11 |
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| roshenia_ | yes. only music | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: not technically true :) | 15:11 |
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| hrw | timeless_mbp: ever put 140 episodes of 4 cartoons? | 15:12 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: it has two views, and thus has _some_ | 15:13 |
| timeless_mbp | not necessarily _useful_, but technically it satisfies 'any' | 15:13 |
| * Stskeeps absolutely loves his ability to snapshot his n900, flash another rootfs, reflash his n900 back to normal | 15:13 | |
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| timeless_mbp | roshenia_: the ui designers felt that album\artist failed often enough that it wasn't worth offering | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc | 15:14 |
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| hrw | timeless_mbp: that 'some' is worse then none I think | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | they're gone, so you can't complain to them | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: =~ s/then/than/ | 15:14 |
| hrw | sure | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | England has overweight hedgehogs? | 15:15 |
| pupnik | I never saw a broken N810 on ebay | 15:15 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, complete / snapshot? | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | what about /opt | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | is on emmc | 15:16 |
| lcuk | yeah but wont the replacement OS do things to it that might conflict | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | that is true, but currently it doesn't :P | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | it is possible to back up /opt too | 15:17 |
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| lcuk | shall talk to you more about this later,im a tad busy atm | 15:18 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: you use mtd-utils or dd to make a dump of rootfs? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: neither, rsync to ext3 and then ubifs that | 15:18 |
| hrw | ok | 15:18 |
| WZhang | Any idea how i could change the keyboard layout for a external connected USB keyboard from english to german? | 15:19 |
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| hrw | lardman: maemo5-compat landed in OE - feel free to test/improve/complain | 15:22 |
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| Lantizia | Hey, I've been told the 770 USB Network drivers for XP work for doing N900 - does anyone know if this is true or if there are better drivers for USB networking support? | 15:28 |
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| hrw | Lantizia: there is one driver for all linux powered devices | 15:30 |
| hrw | basically | 15:30 |
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| WZhang | back :) | 15:37 |
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| X-Fade | frals: Should be fixed now. | 15:55 |
| tybollt | why is frals not a nookla employee yet? | 15:55 |
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| Arif | hmm | 15:57 |
| * Arif thinks the battery icon looks lame | 15:57 | |
| Arif | http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6316&stc=1&d=1264345246 | 15:58 |
| Arif | anyone know where I can find that battery indicator? | 15:59 |
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| * cehteh would rather like some battery indicator which tells how far charging progressed | 16:00 | |
| cehteh | i dont care about the look | 16:00 |
| Arif | unplug it :p | 16:00 |
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| cehteh | well some ETA would be nice too | 16:00 |
| Arif | I still want hte battery icon in that picture | 16:01 |
| Arif | it looks better than the standard one | 16:01 |
| Arif | :( | 16:01 |
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| cehteh | and its possible by watching the voltage, not very accurate, but better than nothing | 16:01 |
| Arif | oo | 16:02 |
| Arif | I think I found it | 16:02 |
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| jacekowski | cehteh: not really | 16:06 |
| cehteh | it is | 16:06 |
| jacekowski | measuring voltage is very inacurate | 16:06 |
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| flux | jacekowski, how about measing the change in voltage? | 16:07 |
| jacekowski | only way it would be measuring voltage and comparing it to known values measured in previous charge cycle | 16:07 |
| cehteh | the volltage measureing actually must be quite accurated for the battery | 16:07 |
| cehteh | but there are a lot influences which change the voltage .. | 16:08 |
| flux | jacekowski, I was thinking rather like how much the battery voltage has changed in the last 30 minutes compared to the 30 minutes before that etc | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | cehteh: yes, but needs to be measured while not charging. | 16:08 |
| flux | doesn't it slow down the further you get? | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | cehteh: you need resting voltage. | 16:08 |
| jacekowski | flux: no | 16:08 |
| cehteh | you need to watch it, interpolate, find out how fast its charging and know the charge end point | 16:08 |
| flux | x-fade, but that resting period doesn't need to be very long, does it? | 16:08 |
| flux | jacekowski, oh, never mind then :) | 16:08 |
| jacekowski | flux: there are 2 basic types of batteries used in phones | 16:08 |
| jacekowski | old NiCd | 16:09 |
| cehteh | yes some daemon which watches it over time | 16:09 |
| jacekowski | and new LiIon | 16:09 |
| X-Fade | flux: No, you just need to turn the charge off and wait a very short time. | 16:09 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: It is LiPo | 16:09 |
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| cehteh | you can watch the charge voltage ... should siffoce | 16:09 |
| flux | cehteh, one problem is that you also need to know how much you are consuming at the moment | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | The battery voltage reported by hal is a very inacurate representation of the real voltage | 16:09 |
| jacekowski | NiCD or acid batteries and couple other types are charged by directly applying constant voltage to them | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: err - no, they are not | 16:09 |
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| X-Fade | cehteh: Internal resistance makes it measure a bit higher than the actual voltage is. | 16:10 |
| cehteh | and? | 16:10 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: they are | 16:10 |
| tybollt | so? | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | cehteh: And as you need to be very careful around 4.2v, you need to turn off charging to measure. | 16:10 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: you apply constant voltage to them with some reasonable current limit just in case | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: NiCd is charged by a constant current until a negative delta-v condition, or temperature or time thresholds. Lead acid is charged by a constant current followed by a float charge phase. | 16:10 |
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| cehteh | i only need the end voltage from the last charging and the charge curve then i can roughly match that to the current charge cycle | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | li-ion is more like lead-acid | 16:11 |
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| jacekowski | with LiPol are charged by constant current | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | That is why the last few percent take most of the time to charge. | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: no, it's not. It's a constant current, then a constant voltage phase. | 16:11 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: Until you reach 4.2 and then you go to CV phase. | 16:11 |
| jacekowski | if you are in CV then battery is charged | 16:12 |
| jacekowski | and that's not important for now | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | and terminate charge when current reaches 1/20th or so of what it was in the entry to CV | 16:12 |
| cehteh | as soon you are at CV you can just tell "almost full" and done .. maybe measure how long this takes and run a stopwatch and interpolate that over charge cycles | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | if you're in CV your battery is 70-90% charged - depending on battery lifetime | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | s/lifetime/age/ | 16:12 |
| infobot | SpeedEvil meant: if you're in CV your battery is 70-90% charged - depending on battery age | 16:12 |
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| jacekowski | 15:13 < jacekowski> i've seen shitloads of different battery chargers and every single one had different charging voltage/current curve stating that this one is superior to other | 16:15 |
| alterego | Phone call volume control is annoying :/ | 16:15 |
| jacekowski | 15:13 < jacekowski> but going back to determining battery charge level | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | 15:14 < jacekowski> it would be possible by measuring current voltage and comparing it to voltage in previous charge cycle | 16:16 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: You need to log the charge and discharge curve. | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Like the gnome battery meter does very nicely. | 16:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | the underlying charge voltage rported is very inaccurate | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | lshal|awk '/voltage.current/{print ($3-3700)/5"%"}' | 16:18 |
| jacekowski | yeah, but result is repeatable | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Is not quite useless reporting of battery use. | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: no, it's not. | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: graph it, and you can see it's patent nonesense. | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | voltage.current makes big jumps, and stays constant for long periods. | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | where is | on n900 keyboard? | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | It looks like stair-steps with irregular and nonsensical steps - not an actual measurement of the batteryby somemeans. | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | There is presumably an underlying measurement - but it's obscured somewhat. The driver diddn't seem completly insane - I need to work out how to get it to emit a battery charge measurement. | 16:21 |
| adeus | top corner in extra symbols | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | (plot voltage.current against time as discharging when polled every 20s) | 16:22 |
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| siriusnova | so when is PR 1.2 coming out | 16:27 |
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| siriusnova | with Ovi Maps 3.0 | 16:27 |
| siriusnova | and USSD Support | 16:27 |
| Lantizia | hrw: do you know what that driver is called or where to get it from? | 16:27 |
| siriusnova | :D | 16:27 |
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| hrw | Lantizia: I do not connect linux devices to ms windows | 16:28 |
| Arif | siriusnova, I hear Nokia abandoned the N900 ;( | 16:28 |
| siriusnova | yeah they did | 16:28 |
| siriusnova | :( | 16:28 |
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| Robot101 | ?! | 16:29 |
| Robot101 | no they didn't, just be patient | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | well, that voltage seems to be stable on mine | 16:29 |
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| jacekowski | Arif: no they didn't | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: it generally shouldn't be - if it's discharging. | 16:29 |
| kalikiana | don't feed the trolls | 16:29 |
| Robot101 | new software needs a lot of testing before they can throw a switch and upgrade 1000s of units they sold | 16:29 |
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| Myrtti | trolldars seem to be broken | 16:30 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i mean i've got something reading that in loop and it shows value that's stable and every so often get's little bit smaller | 16:30 |
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| jacekowski | Robot101: apple didn't care about that | 16:31 |
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| RST38h | We'll murder them all amid laughter and merriment, except for the few we take home to experiment! | 16:31 |
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| jacekowski | Robot101: they shipped thousands iphones with barely working 2.0 software | 16:31 |
| libben | is there anyway to boost the radio transmitter signal? | 16:32 |
| jacekowski | Robot101: and kept fixing it for next half year | 16:32 |
| Myrtti | and that makes them better than Nokia exactly how, jacekowski? | 16:32 |
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| libben | cant barely use the function as it is now | 16:32 |
| Arif | fmboost in extras? | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: the problem is the jumps - at least when I graphed it - are nonphysical. There is something in there between the ADC and the output that is processing the numbers - ad making it stable, but inaccurate. | 16:32 |
| jacekowski | Arif: that's different thing | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | The FM transmitter is designed to only work to several meters at best. | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter | 16:33 |
| jacekowski | libben: get better radio | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | has some links to performance tests done | 16:33 |
| Arif | I haven't tested mine yet | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | At the legal limit in the UK - you get about a 4m range. | 16:33 |
| libben | jacekowski: i got a pretty new one | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | In the best case | 16:33 |
| libben | i needed to stand like 50 cm from the antenna for it to really work | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | (and the UK has it already turned up to max) | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | That's assuming it emits as much as legally possible when turned up to 118 | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | If you have picked a not empty channel - it's much under 4m | 16:34 |
| libben | i dont think mine is set for that value =) | 16:34 |
| libben | i need to stand like 50 cm from the antenna | 16:34 |
| libben | i took a relative empty channel | 16:35 |
| RST38h | Minor ROTFL: http://www.chucklorre.com/index-bbt.php?p=277 | 16:35 |
| libben | with no close neighbours | 16:35 |
| RST38h | (Warner finally meets an enemy they cannot sue =)) | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | libben: the power is _tiny_ even best case. Any signal at all will pretty much kill your range. | 16:35 |
| libben | even if u get it to run at 118 ? | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 16:36 |
| libben | i saw a video of a guy that boasted it to 118, and he was like 2-3 meters away from the car where he tried it | 16:36 |
| jacekowski | libben: because he had better radio | 16:36 |
| hrw | [SIGNAL] Phone.Net.cell_info_change ( 2, 41007, 32888749, 1, 260, 0, 0 ) | 16:36 |
| hrw | [SIGNAL] Phone.Net.registration_status_change ( 0, 41007, 32888747, 1, 260, 0, 3 ) | 16:36 |
| libben | probably =) | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | To quote the BBC - However, the chosen maximum ERP of 50 nW is neither sufficiently small to avoid creating interference to broadcast reception nor sufficiently large to guarantee that such ‘Micro’ FM transmitters will actually work as intended in areas where Band II is utilised intensively, such as London | 16:36 |
| hrw | [SIGNAL] Phone.Net.operator_name_change ( 3, "Plus", "", 1, 260 ) | 16:36 |
| hrw | nice ;) | 16:36 |
| hrw | [SIGNAL] Phone.Net.cell_info_change ( 2, 41007, 32888747, 1, 260, 0, 0 ) | 16:36 |
| libben | my signal is not the best | 16:36 |
| jacekowski | libben: some radios need much stronger signal | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | 50nW is - as I understand it - the maximum of the hardware radio and coincidentally the UK legal limit | 16:37 |
| pupnik | nanowatts? | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 16:37 |
| libben | well, should be easier to fix a line in cable =) | 16:37 |
| pupnik | wow... | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | 15nW is the limit in the states | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | 50nW is like a nothing | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | compared to 2W transmitter for GSM | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | The 2W transmitter has a range of ~10km. | 16:38 |
| Arif | oh that'd be nice | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | If you assume a similar radio - the square roots kick in. | 16:38 |
| Arif | 10km from the N900 :D | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | no - the GSm radio | 16:38 |
| * ShadowJK has been 20km from nearest tower with n900 and it has worked fine | 16:39 | |
| SpeedEvil | the resultant range would be about 1.5m | 16:39 |
| jacekowski | as far as i remember gsm have range of 15km with that 2W transmitter | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | which is about right | 16:39 |
| WZhang | Windows bluetooth stack is pretty crappy | 16:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | radio decays as the square root of distance. A thousand times as far - a million times as weak. | 16:40 |
| siriusnova | so | 16:40 |
| siriusnova | question | 16:40 |
| siriusnova | Asus or Lenovo Thinkpad? | 16:40 |
| siriusnova | :p | 16:40 |
| WZhang | Lenovo | 16:40 |
| WZhang | :D | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | IBM | 16:41 |
| tybollt | siriusnova: DO NOT get the thinkpad "SL" serier | 16:41 |
| tybollt | those are not real thinkpads | 16:41 |
| siriusnova | im going to get the Lenovo W510 | 16:41 |
| pupnik | my next will probably be X61 | 16:42 |
| pupnik | lagging saves money | 16:43 |
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| siriusnova | the Lenovo W510 has a core i7-820QM and 16GB ram | 16:44 |
| siriusnova | :D | 16:44 |
| ifreq | how long battery lasts? | 16:45 |
| siriusnova | quite long from what i read | 16:46 |
| ifreq | one hour? | 16:46 |
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| ifreq | :) | 16:46 |
| siriusnova | more like 6-8 | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | 15 NANO watts whatts? | 16:48 |
| SpeedEvil | fmtx power | 16:48 |
| SpeedEvil | legality in the US | 16:48 |
| Shapeshifter | Are there any special things to be aware of or can I go the "debian" way to make jabber understand msn and icq and those, and use them using the builtin IM thingy? | 16:48 |
| dracflamloc | good morning | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're sure noise in a wire at room temp doesn't violate that? | 16:48 |
| Shapeshifter | i.e. can I just install jabber-jit, jabber-msn and jabber-yahoo and edit the configs? will the maemo conversations app understand this? | 16:48 |
| jacekowski | ibm don't make thinkpads anymore | 16:49 |
| Robot101 | Shapeshifter: just enable maemo-testing and choose "Extra protocols for Conversations and Contacts" | 16:49 |
| Robot101 | Shapeshifter: then you can create accounts for all of these other protocols | 16:49 |
| jacekowski | and going back to IM in n900 | 16:49 |
| jacekowski | how to import gadu-gadu contacts? | 16:49 |
| Robot101 | there's already an IM framework (called Telepathy) in the N900, so you can just install these extra backends | 16:50 |
| Shapeshifter | Robot101: okay thanks | 16:50 |
| Robot101 | jacekowski: if you do that, you should get gg too | 16:50 |
| jacekowski | i have gg | 16:50 |
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| jacekowski | i just don't know how to import my buddylist | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's insane | 16:50 |
| frals | X-Fade: cheers :) | 16:50 |
| Robot101 | jacekowski: ? it should be on the server | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 15microW ok, 15 nano(1)W is ridiculous | 16:52 |
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| jacekowski | Robot101: it is | 16:52 |
| jacekowski | Robot101: but n900 isn't importing it | 16:52 |
| Robot101 | so they should just appear in your contacts | 16:52 |
| Robot101 | buh boh | 16:52 |
| dneary | amigadave, Ping? | 16:52 |
| Robot101 | must be a bug... | 16:52 |
| corecode | oh wow the droid can play usb host? | 16:52 |
| corecode | so sad. | 16:52 |
| Robot101 | ask on #telepathy, see if someone has time to help you debug it? | 16:52 |
| amigadave | dneary: pong | 16:52 |
| dneary | amigadave, You didn't like the Software page as a template for the Software category? | 16:52 |
| dneary | I kind of thought it was OK - let us use the category page as a real portal | 16:53 |
| amigadave | dneary: well, the Software page included the Software category, which was included by the Software category :) | 16:53 |
| dneary | And the added advantage of taking care of a bunch of orphans :) | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's really not | 16:53 |
| dneary | Software os now an orphan | 16:53 |
| amigadave | ah, but that is cheating! :P | 16:53 |
| amigadave | i will fix up the orphans, do not worry :) | 16:53 |
| dneary | I guess I could have taken Software out of the Software category | 16:53 |
| Shapeshifter | Robot101: do I need "pidgin extra protocols" or "pidgin protocols plugin for conversations and contacts" or both? | 16:54 |
| dneary | Links in category pages don't count for orphanage I'm afraid | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: if you consider the impact. The range at which a 15uW transmitter messes reception of a signal at the borderline of coverage is really quite large. | 16:54 |
| amigadave | dneary: oh, it also appears that i need sysop rights to delete a page, unless you would like to clear the ‘Articles marked for deletion’ for me? | 16:54 |
| dneary | I can... I thought I gave you wiki admin privileges | 16:54 |
| amigadave | admin, but not sysop | 16:55 |
| dneary | I can't give you sysop privs | 16:55 |
| amigadave | oh, ok | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/wtexemption/responses/bbc.pdf has more details - but... | 16:55 |
| dneary | She dinnae have the powerrr cap'n | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: damn, with 10 MILLI W WLAN I get a 30m maybe | 16:56 |
| Robot101 | Shapeshifter: don't bother with those, just get the "Extra protocols..." and it will install what it needs | 16:56 |
| jacekowski | i get 15km with 100mW | 16:56 |
| jacekowski | and directional antennas | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | so with 10nW i see a 30cm I'd guess | 16:56 |
| amigadave | i like that Multimedia is a redirect that is in the Media category | 16:57 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that's not linear | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: directional ant is cheating | 16:57 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and wifi uses different frequencies | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: SQRT(10mW/10nW)*30m=30cm, no? | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | err other way round | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: SQRT(10mW/10nW)*30cm=30m | 16:59 |
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| jacekowski | if youincrease power 4 times you only get 2x range | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh yeah, you're right, it's more like 3cm then | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: and to give you an analogy: with directional RF of 550nm I get a theoretical range of 1000km with 50mW | 17:02 |
| Shapeshifter | Robot101: okay thanks | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even much more, depending on divergency of the laser | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: so your figure with directional antenna is meaningless | 17:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | OOH | 17:06 |
| timeless_mbp | Announce! | 17:06 |
| * timeless_mbp can now publish | 17:06 | |
| tybollt | Announce! | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeh? | 17:07 |
| w00t | Announce! | 17:07 |
| * tybollt is eagerly awaiting gadgetoid's blogposts! | 17:07 | |
| timeless_mbp | the maemo5 localization files were approved for "opening" | 17:07 |
| timeless_mbp | whatever that means :) | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 17:07 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: sources for *-l10n-* packages? | 17:07 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 17:07 |
| hrw | good, no need for reversing them | 17:08 |
| timeless_mbp | no ETA for actually seeing them in the repos | 17:08 |
| timeless_mbp | but it should mean that i can start shipping w/ less concern | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I finally may get my beloved tnan_fi_home on maemo5 as well ;-P | 17:08 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt / hrw : could i get you to try my package? | 17:08 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: get it on paper with proper stamps and signs | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | tana_fi_home_thumb | 17:08 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: en-gb it was? | 17:08 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: at your disposal sire. | 17:08 |
| timeless_mbp | sure | 17:08 |
| tybollt | how? | 17:09 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: but what I have to check? | 17:09 |
| tybollt | and really | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: in real world - 15nW gives you 4m - to a good reciever - on a clear channel | 17:09 |
| * hrw monitors dbus on n900 with 3 tools now | 17:09 | |
| tybollt | "try my package"... I have to try real hard for that not to sound like ... eww ;) | 17:09 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 17:09 |
| tybollt | anyway how? | 17:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll give instructions in the other channel | 17:10 |
| timeless_mbp | but testing is basically anything/everything from the platform | 17:10 |
| tybollt | sure | 17:10 |
| timeless_mbp | a colleague and i recently discovered a bug in the official string selection that we believe was a 1.1 regression | 17:10 |
| timeless_mbp | it took us a couple of months to notice | 17:10 |
| tybollt | o_O | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: would you agree this to be the maximun interference range as well? | 17:10 |
| timeless_mbp | (it wasn't my fault, the app people neglected to inform the localization team about the new string, so no one had it!) | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 17:10 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: my english is not british (nor american) | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 17:11 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: not looking to place guilt - I prefer pragmatism - if it can be fix, let's do it :) | 17:11 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: well, you'll have to pick one :) | 17:11 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: my package has a fix for it now :) | 17:11 |
| jacekowski | hrw: that's good | 17:11 |
| timeless_mbp | but the point is that testing is really "whatever you can / might think to do" | 17:11 |
| timeless_mbp | bonus points for things that _i'm_ less likely to do | 17:12 |
| tybollt | ACK | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the power at which you can interfere with a clearly reieved signal at the margins of coverage is some 50dB weaker than the power required to be clearly recieved | 17:12 |
| hrw | that reminds me one thing | 17:12 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: sorry, don't know you well enough to tell what you may or may not do ;P | 17:12 |
| hrw | ~curse rtcomm developers badly | 17:12 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, rtcomm developers badly ! | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: citation needed | 17:12 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: fair enough :) | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: see above pdf link | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: for all I know the S/N margin for FM is as low as 6dB | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: not if you want the audio to be nondisturbed. | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | compared to AM where your 50dB figure may be correct | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: 6dB won't cut it in that case. | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: anyway - see the BBC PDF for cites of all these figures | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/rlans/technical/tests/srdtests.pdf also | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Bear in mind also that this is weak signal performance. The reciever is barely on the cliff of 'full quieting'. | 17:16 |
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| dneary | amigadave, I was wrong, I did find the power | 17:23 |
| dneary | amigadave, You haz sysops | 17:23 |
| tybollt | oh noes | 17:24 |
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| amigadave | dneary: muhuhaha | 17:25 |
| amigadave | i mean, thanks | 17:25 |
| tybollt | uh oh... | 17:25 |
| dneary | amigadave, You're scaring me | 17:25 |
| amigadave | there's an undo button for this thing, right? ;) | 17:26 |
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| tybollt | \o/ end of the world... run to the hills... | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ok. anyway 250uW would have been much better than 15nW | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | And interfered over a very significant distance. | 17:30 |
| cpasjuste | someone know how i can edit the partition scheme on maemo5 (n900) ? i mean i want to mount an microSD card as swap instead mmcblk0p3, but of course "/etc/fstab" is discared at boot (replaced). So where does the swap mount occur ? | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | cpasjuste: you can find out where fstab is made | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | grep -r fstab /etc/*/8 | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | */* | 17:31 |
| tybollt | are you folks plotting how to interfer w/ the neighbourinoes radio received at his breakfasttable or sommat? :) | 17:31 |
| cpasjuste | good idea :) | 17:31 |
| cpasjuste | thanks speedevil | 17:31 |
| cpasjuste | this 32gb mmc is so so so slow | 17:31 |
| cpasjuste | cool : /etc/event.d/rcS-late: # Generate fstab and mount /home | 17:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | tybollt: no - I'm attempting to point out why a powerful fmtx isn't always good. | 17:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | so for some reason i cant log in using the icq telepathy plugin. when i tap sign in, it takes a moment and then just shows the list again, and on my icq account it says "not logged in" | 17:34 |
| Arif | hmm | 17:35 |
| Arif | if I delete contacts from MSN Haze in the phoenbook will they be gone from my MSN too? | 17:35 |
| Shapeshifter | and whats the difference between msn and msn haze? | 17:36 |
| Arif | that's also a good question :P | 17:36 |
| * Arif just installed the protocol plugin too | 17:36 | |
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| tybollt | SpeedEvil: s/good/legal/ mind you ;) | 17:37 |
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| tybollt | SpeedEvil: in .se any type of FM tx not licensed by the government was a criminal offence up until just a few years ago. | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | from the POV of someone trying to play mp3 on their radio - 250uW would be great. | 17:38 |
| tybollt | now there are heavy restrictions as to how much your device is allowed to output | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | From the POV of someone in the next room listening to a FM station on the edge of its coverage - it would completely wipe it out | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, if the one listening to MP3 was so stupid to adjust his FM-TX next to the weak station | 17:41 |
| DangerMaus | lol | 17:42 |
| tybollt | from the POV my injecting "THIS IS GOD SPEAKING SEND ALL YOUR MONEY TO TYBOLLT!" into the old folks homes radios I guess 250uw might be a good start but not all the way there ;) | 17:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: and if there is no other 'free' frequency of lower power? | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | What right does the owner of the mp3 thingy have to override others listening choices? | 17:45 |
| sandman | Does Maemo have a package manager similar to Synaptic Packagemanager found in Ubuntu? | 17:45 |
| tybollt | you mean like HAM? | 17:46 |
| sandman | I saw some thread that is uses repositorys | 17:46 |
| sandman | I don't know... | 17:46 |
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| sandman | i am a Linux dude trying to figure out Maemo.. | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: for all the innocent listeners to public radio broadcast that *might* be affected by this problem, it's of at least same concern to them when the rogue MP3 listening user just pumps up the volume | 17:47 |
| sandman | In Ubuntu i use synaptic to update and install programs | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | which right he has to do _that_ either ? | 17:47 |
| tybollt | sandman: there's an "application manager" browse the menus | 17:48 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: again, it is probably _illegal_ moral or not... | 17:48 |
| sandman | ok.. that uses repositorys? | 17:48 |
| toggles_w | sandman: apt-get works, the "preffered" user method is through the appmanager (more like ubuntu app manager than synaptic) | 17:48 |
| toggles_w | yes | 17:48 |
| sandman | cool | 17:49 |
| tybollt | sandman: yes, the app manager is basically a wrapper around apt w/ some spinkles and jelly on it | 17:49 |
| tybollt | sprinkles | 17:49 |
| sar3th | lol cool | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: it's obviously not illegal, judging by the "deviceA" "deviceB" mentioned in the whitepaper SpeedEvil quoted | 17:49 |
| tybollt | ehr | 17:49 |
| sar3th | why is there dpkg installed then? | 17:49 |
| tybollt | doc: missed that link, sorry :S | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | There are existing laws on noise pollution | 17:50 |
| Antti_Alien | hummmmmm | 17:50 |
| sandman | i'm pretty sure i'll end up using Maemo in a couple of weeks then ;) | 17:50 |
| toggles_w | sandman: eg. http://thenokiablog.com/2009/10/27/maemo-extras-nokia-n900-applications/ | 17:50 |
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| Antti_Alien | i succesfully copied files from my n900, created a rootfs image and flashed it back | 17:50 |
| tybollt | sar3th: one does not exclude the other HOWEVER.... if you weant nookla support for your dev - use app manager... | 17:50 |
| sar3th | hmk | 17:51 |
| Antti_Alien | but the desktop got broken :O | 17:51 |
| sar3th | just wondering | 17:51 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: that's what I'm hinting at here | 17:51 |
| tybollt | the _law_ | 17:51 |
| sandman | dpkg is to install .deb files much like .exe on windows | 17:51 |
| tybollt | moral implications aside | 17:51 |
| Antti_Alien | now there is only one virtual desktop and if i try to enable more, it just refuses to work | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: and I'm just saying laws are insane. Look at PLC blasting out at several 100mW over a whole AC installation of a building used as giant TX antenna. Wideband | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: and then they sweat it on 250uW for a narrowband FM-TX | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | A range of 300m for a personal FM TX is insane. | 17:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is approximately what 250uW would give you | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's not what the paper you linked to is suggesting | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | With a 50nW transmitter - to a radio on an interference free channel - you get 8m range. | 17:57 |
| tybollt | I'll quote judge dredd on this one... | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | sqrt(250000/50)*8 =300 | 17:58 |
| gouverneur | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8972 ? | 17:58 |
| povbot | Bug 8972: history - UI back button differs from swipe from right | 17:58 |
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| Shapeshifter | wow enigma on the n900 is totally brilliant | 17:59 |
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| sar3th | gouverneur: i noticed that, it's here too | 17:59 |
| Shapeshifter | what a nice adaption | 17:59 |
| sar3th | Shapeshifter: enigma?? | 17:59 |
| sar3th | the encryption device? | 17:59 |
| gouverneur | sar3th: yeah a friend made me aware yesterday | 17:59 |
| Shapeshifter | sar3th: no an open source oxyd clone | 18:00 |
| sar3th | oh. okay | 18:00 |
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| bigon | hi is there any one time generator working on maemo? | 18:00 |
| gouverneur | SpeedEvil: what is the default TX? | 18:00 |
| tybollt | bigon: ? "one time generator"? | 18:01 |
| bigon | onetime *password* generator | 18:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | gouverneur: 50nW or 15nW according to region setting I think | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bigon: check OPIE | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | onetime passwords in everything | 18:03 |
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| Shapeshifter | does x-terminal obey .Xdefaults or where can i customize it? | 18:03 |
| bigon | DocScrutinizer: thx | 18:04 |
| gouverneur | Shapeshifter: no or depends... | 18:05 |
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| gouverneur | Shapeshifter: what are you looking for and which term? | 18:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | gouverneur: for the default ash, different bgcolor and such | 18:06 |
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| gouverneur | Shapeshifter: for n900? | 18:06 |
| Shapeshifter | yes | 18:06 |
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| gouverneur | Shapeshifter: do you need the file? or where to change it? | 18:07 |
| adalal | any reason why msn haze plugin keeps reporting network error? | 18:07 |
| Shapeshifter | I guess its ash in busybox isnt it | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | Shapeshifter, osso-xterm is based on gnome-terminal and libvte, and doesn't use X resources for configuration | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | it uses gconf instead | 18:07 |
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| gouverneur | mgedmin: what doesnt use gconf? | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | is that a rhetorical question? because many apps don't use gconf | 18:08 |
| gouverneur | yes | 18:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh okay. are there any other terms? i think urxvt ist available yet? | 18:08 |
| gouverneur | well apps... | 18:08 |
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| mgedmin | I haven't heard about any other hildonized terminal emulators | 18:08 |
| gouverneur | urxvt would be nice with urxvtd! | 18:08 |
| tybollt | no | 18:08 |
| tybollt | mrxvt would be nice | 18:09 |
| gouverneur | and multiwindow desktop... | 18:09 |
| tybollt | a tabbed terminal emulator would be _the_killer_app | 18:09 |
| Shapeshifter | ill look into compiling urxvt for the n900. shouldnt be hard | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | dunno, not a lot of screen space for tabs | 18:09 |
| adalal | hello? any help? | 18:09 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: screen | 18:09 |
| jacekowski | web browser isn't using tabs | 18:10 |
| gouverneur | adalal: no | 18:10 |
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| gouverneur | adalal: works here | 18:10 |
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| Lumpio- | adalal: Protip "hello? any help?" sounds extremely rude to many people. | 18:10 |
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| tybollt | Shapeshifter: I keep saying this over and over, screen < mrxvt/tabbed terminals | 18:11 |
| adalal | Lumpio-: i do understand that, but the last 3 days i've been asking for help, noone seems to be answering at all... just gets to me at times... | 18:11 |
| gouverneur | jacekowski: would be nice if... | 18:11 |
| jacekowski | as somebody said | 18:11 |
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| adalal | are there supposed to be advanced settings under the haze plugin, because my doens't have any. | 18:11 |
| jacekowski | there isn't much space for tabs | 18:11 |
| jacekowski | using that app switcher thingy seems to be better idea | 18:12 |
| jacekowski | just add some sort of grouping feature to it | 18:12 |
| gouverneur | adalal: no | 18:12 |
| adalal | thanks | 18:12 |
| sandman | adalal: might have a .conf file somewhere. | 18:13 |
| sandman | for advanced settings | 18:13 |
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| satmd | *midst | 18:13 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: matter of taste and usage patterns really | 18:14 |
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| sar3th | anyone tried to compile a gcc for the n900? | 18:21 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: bingo | 18:22 |
| tybollt | sar3th: I'd love to see gcc, make and the whole enchilada - but doubt upstream supports that :) | 18:22 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: very delayed pong, sorry | 18:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | sar3th: why? | 18:22 |
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| * timeless_mbp got buzzed | 18:23 | |
| RST38h | moo shadowjk, thresh | 18:23 |
| sar3th | timeless_mbp: i'll be on vacation for a bit and i hoped to be able to devel ^^ | 18:23 |
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| WZhang | http://pastebin.com/d36dd4bdf anyone a idea? | 18:24 |
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| alterego | I really like the Marina theme developed for Mer, the background isn't to my taste, but with a different background, the theme is realy nice :) | 18:24 |
| sar3th | WZhang: you seem to lack python, and it seems it can't be installed | 18:28 |
| WZhang | well, python is installed - it seems to not find the packages it needs | 18:28 |
| WZhang | efl or something, they seem to be in the dev repositorys | 18:29 |
| sar3th | well, i'm still a noob, sorry WZhang, i don't know :( | 18:29 |
| WZhang | i had that error before: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=307333&postcount=388 - so i did that: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=307598&postcount=392 | 18:30 |
| WZhang | no more errors at update / upgrade now (after autoclean) but somehow it still does not work | 18:30 |
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| tybollt | huzzah | 18:31 |
| tybollt | spotify going down now? | 18:31 |
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| ShadowJK | tybollt, really? | 18:32 |
| tybollt | warner is apparently breaking w/ spotify | 18:32 |
| WZhang | :/ | 18:32 |
| tybollt | w/ warner out - who is to say that the others will stay? | 18:32 |
| tybollt | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8507885.stm | 18:33 |
| lizardo | WZhang: it would help if you pasted the english version of the error :) try : "LC_ALL=C apt-get install bluemaemo" | 18:34 |
| WZhang | lizardo: already figured out and changed device language :P | 18:34 |
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| tybollt | ShadowJK: a user yourself? | 18:35 |
| WZhang | *that | 18:35 |
| ShadowJK | tybollt, nope | 18:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | sar3th: i think you can install gcc from some repository | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | so i don't see why you'd go off and build it... | 18:35 |
| WZhang | yup, gcc is in the repos | 18:35 |
| tybollt | it is?blimey | 18:35 |
| tybollt | must get then | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: sorry, my latency is bad :) | 18:36 |
| ShadowJK | tybollt, someone I know (computer illiterates) bought a computer the other day, and also a "setup service" where the store removed the bundled crapware and installed the software they wanted. THey asked for spotify but the store said it's illegal :D | 18:36 |
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| sar3th | timeless_mbp: well, i want to kow how to build software and package it for the n900 | 18:37 |
| timeless_mbp | apt-get install builddep something | 18:37 |
| timeless_mbp | or apt-get install build-essentail | 18:37 |
| WZhang | http://pastebin.com/m1ffe44c6 <- english now :P | 18:38 |
| sar3th | timeless_mbp: on scratchbox? | 18:38 |
| timeless_mbp | wait | 18:38 |
| timeless_mbp | are you installing stuff on your n900 or in a scratchbox? | 18:38 |
| * timeless_mbp assumed n900 | 18:38 | |
| sar3th | i want to install stuff on my n900, but compile it using scratchbox | 18:39 |
| sar3th | and i want to dev on the n900 | 18:39 |
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| sar3th | but compiling Qt with the n900 is NOT what i think will be fast | 18:39 |
| ScribbleJ | Here's an idea... the n900 is slow... | 18:39 |
| sar3th | thus, i want to make pre-built binaries for that | 18:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | sar3th: well, in theory you can install qt4-dev onto your n900 | 18:40 |
| timeless_mbp | although i certainly wouldn't :) | 18:40 |
| ScribbleJ | Whatever your problem is, maybe you could solve it by just mounting a disk from the n900 over the network within the scratchbox environment and compiling 'on' the n900 | 18:40 |
| sar3th | ScribbleJ: nice idea, but then i have to leave my n900 on my pc while it compiles, which i don't want to, as it should compile when i'm away ;) | 18:41 |
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| Trizt | Evening | 19:17 |
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| pupnik | muu | 19:19 |
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| chx | hi. is there any way to run Google Maps mobile on the N900? | 19:19 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean the android thing? | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 19:20 |
| chx | Android, S60... | 19:20 |
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| RST38h | chx: Yes. They have got a web app. | 19:21 |
| chx | you mean the regular maps.google.com website...? | 19:21 |
| Trizt | can't you run that piece of software from VMware that allows you to run VMs? | 19:21 |
| Arkenoi | chx: try latitude app | 19:21 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: it is not a lattitude app | 19:21 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: It is Google Maps Mobile, with latitude being a function of the overall app | 19:22 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, dos not matter, it does two things i need: latitude update and runs web app in proper mode. | 19:22 |
| chx | http://maemo.org/packages/view/googlelatitude/ this? | 19:23 |
| RST38h | heh | 19:23 |
| Arkenoi | i am almost satisfied with it, the only annoying things are that zoom is not handy and maps are not cached | 19:23 |
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| Arkenoi | chx: i think yes | 19:24 |
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| chx | thanks | 19:26 |
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| Arif | hmm | 19:39 |
| Arif | anyone know how to keep MSN Messenger contacts on the PC but delete them from the phone? | 19:39 |
| cehteh | burn the phone? | 19:40 |
| Arif | sounds plausible :P | 19:40 |
| * Arif throws a burning phone at cehteh | 19:40 | |
| * cehteh ducks | 19:40 | |
| SpeedEvil | Woo. | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Found my light-meter. | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | How accurate is the one in the N900? | 19:42 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 19:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was going to do some tests on that | 19:42 |
| jophish | GeneralAntilles, 5MP I think | 19:42 |
| jophish | :) | 19:42 |
| SpeedEvil | and the cam performance | 19:42 |
| mtd | is it normal for mafw-dbus-wrapper to use ~15% cpu while playing music? | 19:42 |
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| cehteh | varies with finger grease and dust on it :P | 19:42 |
| cehteh | mtd: yes | 19:42 |
| SpeedEvil | the 5MP is a lie! | 19:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jophish, light sensor. :P | 19:42 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: huh? | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: The lens is not large enough in diameter to resolve 5MP at optical wavelengths | 19:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Meaning you just get more noise, not more detail. | 19:43 |
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| cehteh | what has that to do with the diameter of the lens? .. i wont argue that the lens is not good enough, but diameter is hardly a problem | 19:44 |
| mtd | cehteh: ok | 19:44 |
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| cehteh | anyways they camera is quite good for a phone cam | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: 1.22*wavelength / diameter gives you the resolving power of an optical system (in radians) | 19:44 |
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| * Arif finds the LED flashlight app more useful than the camera itself | 19:45 | |
| Arif | :D | 19:45 |
| cehteh | yes but the wavelength ins in some hundedreds of nanometers scale for visible light | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: the diameter of the lens - 1.8mm - divided by the field of view gives you a number of resolvable pixels of some 2MP IIRC | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure,. | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | 1.22*500nm/1.8mm = a bit more than half a milliradian IIRC | 19:46 |
| cehteh | no doubt that the lens is too bad for 5mp .. but on the other hand noise and jpeg compression will do the rest ... | 19:46 |
| cehteh | well mod your cam .. add slr objectives :) | 19:47 |
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| cehteh | so .. question: whats the pinout of the old nokia chargers? (the ones you plug into this adapter) | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok. | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | At 1m - the flashlight brightness is ~15lux | 19:48 |
| cehteh | 3.5mm has 3 contacts? the outer prolly just ground? | 19:48 |
| cehteh | the flash has a quite broad flood angle .. | 19:48 |
| ShadowJK | 2 contacts | 19:49 |
| cehteh | i see 3 from looking at it | 19:49 |
| cehteh | well i dont know maybe just the connector at the adapter has three | 19:50 |
| cehteh | middle pin and 2 rings | 19:50 |
| ShadowJK | Oh it's just 2 on the ground for added reliability | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | the screen peaks at maybe 2 | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | which is more than I thought | 19:50 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: ah ok thanks .. you know about polarity? | 19:50 |
| ShadowJK | I would guess that center is positive | 19:51 |
| ShadowJK | btw, the spec is available | 19:51 |
| cehteh | uhm where? | 19:51 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3378ff2b-4016-42b9-9118-d59e4313a521/Nokia_2-mm_DC_Charging_Interface_Specification_v1_2_en.pdf.html | 19:52 |
| cehteh | and why has micro-usb 5 connectors and not 4 .. well thats resolvable :P | 19:52 |
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| ShadowJK | 2mm.. 3.5mm can be many different things :/ | 19:52 |
| cehteh | yes | 19:52 |
| cehteh | well 2mm is ok for me too | 19:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, 5th is for OTG. | 19:52 |
| cehteh | just need one of them ... for the bike dynamo adapter | 19:53 |
| cehteh | GeneralAntilles: what does it carry? | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Grounded or floating | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on the cable. | 19:53 |
| Wizzup | Where can I find the SDK for Maemo 5? (I need gcc,make,etc) | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wizzup, Google? | 19:54 |
| ShadowJK | maemo.org click on development.. | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=maemo+5+sdk | 19:54 |
| ShadowJK | google first hit too eh | 19:54 |
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| Wizzup | GeneralAntilles: hmm...I was browing repositories.maemo.org | 19:54 |
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| cehteh | 300mV ripple from the charger.. duh crazy | 20:00 |
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| Veggen | hmmm...tempting...how much can I break by adding maemo-extras-testing and installing things from there? | 20:03 |
| Veggen | (n900) | 20:03 |
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| Veggen | my n900 is my main phone, now, so it has a different SLA than the n810, which was just tablet ;) | 20:03 |
| cehteh | with being a bit careful, not too much, try to avoid really new stuff or daemons | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Testing is GENERALLY reasonably safe. | 20:04 |
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| cehteh | programs which are one-shot crash at worst .. | 20:04 |
| lcuk | no GeneralAntilles testing specific packages whilst talking to developers and listening to friends is generally safe | 20:04 |
| cehteh | but some bad daemon may drain battery | 20:04 |
| lcuk | but still not to be used lightly | 20:04 |
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| ShadowJK | What drains battery is not generally well understood by developers either :) | 20:05 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ | 20:05 |
| lcuk | use the ratings there to guage | 20:05 |
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| lcuk | and add your remarks/feedback about testing criterea to help | 20:05 |
| Veggen | so higher karma means less likely to break? | 20:06 |
| cehteh | uhm this charger spec is crazy | 20:06 |
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| ShadowJK | cehteh, what about it? :) | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: what charger spec | 20:06 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: <ShadowJK> http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3378ff2b-4016-42b9-9118-d59e4313a521/Nokia_2-mm_DC_Charging_Interface_Specification_v1_2_en.pdf.html | 20:06 |
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| lcuk | veggen, higher votes mean more people have tested and confirmed different aspects of it | 20:07 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: i thought i could just add some rectifier, a cap and maybe a protecting zener diode and feed that to the charge adapter | 20:08 |
| Veggen | ok, which in general means less likely to break ;) | 20:08 |
| cehteh | (from bike hub dynamo) | 20:08 |
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| lcuk | Veggen, your testing run might be the first to find a break! | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: why crazy? | 20:08 |
| cehteh | see page 17 .. charger identification by voltage | 20:08 |
| Veggen | lcuk: oh sure. I understand the general risks about not-so-tested software. | 20:09 |
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| ShadowJK | cehteh, also note the current limits :) | 20:09 |
| cehteh | and there are some other no-go voltage/amperage areas | 20:09 |
| cehteh | yes | 20:09 |
| lcuk | Veggen, sure, just trying to help you decide to break your SLA :) | 20:09 |
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| ShadowJK | The reason for current limits is that the input power is fed directly to the battery mostly unfiltered, through a slow PWM (slow as in 1 hz) | 20:10 |
| ShadowJK | If the current is too strong the battery can't take it | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: for USB - you just apply 5V | 20:10 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, in my experience with various devices with 3.5mm and 2mm ports, their own voltage measurement wasn't all that accurate with regard to the voltage and current windows :/ | 20:11 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: since a hub dynamo is a quite dirty source i thought i could recycle the charger adapter from the package to give it some treatment (after simple rectification) | 20:11 |
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| cehteh | getting 5V (and nothing else) from the dynamo wont be easy either | 20:12 |
| cehteh | a linerar regulator has too much loss | 20:13 |
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| cehteh | and wont kick in when driving slowly | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | use one of the many energy harvester modules to feed a battery or very large cap | 20:13 |
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| cehteh | then it takes ages to get to the working point | 20:14 |
| cehteh | (charging the cap) | 20:14 |
| RST38h | Anyone worked with sophia-sip client??? | 20:14 |
| RST38h | (looks like it is sending a malformed invite) | 20:15 |
| cehteh | i posted the bumm E-Werk yesterday .. but its expensive, i thought i can try by myself | 20:15 |
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| ShadowJK | cehteh, in practice when voltage drops the phone will consume less.... at 3.5V it'll eat nothing | 20:16 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: http://www.bumm.de/docu/361e.htm | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | but hopefully still consider the charging documented | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | uh | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | but hopefully still consider the charger connected | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: you don't care if it takes time to start | 20:16 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: well a rectifier and cap isnt expensive .. i prolly just give it a try | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: with a large 8V2 zener in parallel | 20:16 |
| cehteh | 9.3V ... | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | 8V2 | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | you don't want to go anywhere near 9.3 | 20:17 |
| cehteh | well bikes have 6v protection already .. (in germany at least) | 20:17 |
| ioeee | hola, tengo un N900 que no le funciona el gps (no encuentra señal) hay que activar o instalar algo? | 20:18 |
| cehteh | just thinking .. 6Vx1.44 ... the zener will barf | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | ioeee: no | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | pero nostoros no hablamos español | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: not a large one | 20:18 |
| cehteh | (but the dynamo doesnt give a pure sine wave, and not to forget the loss on the rectifier) | 20:18 |
| ioeee | lo siento pero no hablo ingles | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: the right way to do this is with a peak power tracker - but that's a bit complex | 20:19 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: with barf i mean heat the energy away while i rather want to use it | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | ioeee: podria usar translate.google.com ? | 20:19 |
| ioeee | por supuesto | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: if there is more energy than the phone can handle - you need to store it in a battery or throw it away | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | ioeee: bueno | 20:20 |
| cehteh | yeah or use it for the lighting | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: wander over to ##electronics | 20:20 |
| * SpeedEvil is afk | 20:20 | |
| timeless_mbp | ioeee: it can take perhaps 10 minutes standing outside in an open space on a clear day to get a lock | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | (gps lock) | 20:20 |
| ioeee | must be hardware problem? | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | (standing still) | 20:20 |
| cehteh | well i just try it sometime next .. no biking weather here anyways | 20:20 |
| thresh | it is always a biking weather | 20:21 |
| timeless_mbp | if you haven't actually stood still for 10 minutes, outside in an open area (not in a major city with lots of tall buildings), on a day where there aren't clouds in the sky | 20:21 |
| timeless_mbp | then you don't really know that it isn't working | 20:21 |
| ioeee | I have tried on several occasions and in different places and nothing | 20:22 |
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| * thresh rode five days ago at -15°C and it was alrite | 20:23 | |
| MohammadAG | http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html# | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | looks ugly | 20:23 |
| timeless_mbp | ioeee: do you have a SIM active in your n900? | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | (very) | 20:23 |
| ioeee | yes, vodafone-es | 20:23 |
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| ToiletOil | finally, finally, I've got the phone of my dreams | 20:23 |
| ToiletOil | I've waited for this day soooo long | 20:24 |
| lcuk | ToiletOil, cool, i always wanted a nokia 3210 | 20:24 |
| ioeee | timeless_mbp, is a problem? | 20:24 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, address please | 20:24 |
| timeless_mbp | try opening settings, in the connectivity section you should see gps and location | 20:24 |
| lcuk | LinuxCode, pardon | 20:24 |
| timeless_mbp | (it has a satellite dish icon) | 20:24 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, i have one in my draw, if you are that keen lol | 20:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i have [x] GPS, GPS device = Internal GPS | 20:24 |
| lcuk | lol and i bet the battery is still charged some years after you put it there | 20:25 |
| timeless_mbp | [x] Use A-GPS and Reverse-Geocoding | 20:25 |
| lcuk | ive got one wired up to my laser | 20:25 |
| timeless_mbp | (the spanish is obviously different) | 20:25 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, of course | 20:25 |
| lcuk | and its lasted for about 3 months | 20:25 |
| * LinuxCode is always read for nuclear war | 20:25 | |
| LinuxCode | ready | 20:25 |
| ioeee | I have internal GPS activated and deactivated using wifi | 20:25 |
| LinuxCode | everything charged and ready... | 20:25 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 20:25 |
| LinuxCode | ToiletOil, so you got yourself a N900 huh ? | 20:26 |
| * LinuxCode will also get one soon-ish | 20:26 | |
| LinuxCode | ToiletOil, I understand your sentiment though | 20:26 |
| LinuxCode | I am still very happy with my n810 | 20:26 |
| LinuxCode | despite it not having 3g/umts | 20:26 |
| lcuk | timeless, i noticed something in belgium, agps seemed to be happy given *any* connection, even the local adhoc one i have configured that gives it 0 information about location | 20:26 |
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| LinuxCode | lcuk, you went to fosdem amte ? | 20:27 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i really don't understand how the black magic for this stuff works | 20:27 |
| LinuxCode | mate* | 20:27 |
| lcuk | i didnt do emperical tests, but it stopped moaning about a connection and got a lock | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | yeah LinuxCode | 20:27 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i think if it has a cache of data it can use it even if it doesn't have everything | 20:27 |
| LinuxCode | meh I wish I had known | 20:27 |
| LinuxCode | that would have been the 4th reason to go | 20:28 |
| lcuk | yeah timeless | 20:28 |
| LinuxCode | ;-[ | 20:28 |
| LinuxCode | and Nokia was giving away 4 or so N900 as well | 20:28 |
| lcuk | and having a dodgy connection sends it on a different pathway to having no connection | 20:28 |
| lcuk | or at least thats my impression | 20:28 |
| lcuk | lol LinuxCode judging by the amount of n900s on show all weekend i dont think there were many without them already | 20:29 |
| lcuk | they were everywhere | 20:29 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, exactly | 20:29 |
| LinuxCode | more chances to win one | 20:29 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: photos? | 20:29 |
| LinuxCode | see! its a secret ploy! | 20:30 |
| LinuxCode | for me to have gotten one... | 20:30 |
| LinuxCode | if I had gone ;-[ | 20:30 |
| lcuk | timeless, photos of what, people with n900s? | 20:30 |
| lcuk | they were just all over | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | this was fosdem? | 20:30 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:30 |
| lcuk | maybe its just me looking closer | 20:30 |
| * timeless_mbp was sick in paris instead :/ | 20:30 | |
| lcuk | :( | 20:30 |
| LinuxCode | lets face it, its the only really cool 3g linux device out there | 20:31 |
| LinuxCode | imho | 20:31 |
| lcuk | im glad i didnt drink much coke whilst there | 20:31 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.belgium.coke.20100208_018.jpg | 20:31 |
| * LinuxCode looks | 20:31 | |
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| LinuxCode | hahaha | 20:31 |
| lcuk | i bet that machine has the lowest sales of any coke machine on the planet | 20:31 |
| LinuxCode | menaquin piss or whatever its called | 20:31 |
| GAN900 | https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ | 20:32 |
| GAN900 | Maemo is "on the way", eh? | 20:32 |
| LinuxCode | manneken pis | 20:32 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, think of the benefits | 20:32 |
| LinuxCode | you would always have a full bottle | 20:32 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 20:32 |
| lcuk | LinuxCode, yeah but you dont normally have to do a handstand to get a drink | 20:34 |
| LinuxCode | hahah | 20:35 |
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| VDVsx | GAN900, probably the Chinese version of maemo :D | 20:35 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | Maemo-on-OMAP more likely, but only if they get omap-pm working | 20:36 |
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| ioeee | timeless_mbp, thanks, bye o/ | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | ioeee: good luck | 20:43 |
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| sp3000 | so I'm too lazy to flash released sw | 20:58 |
| sp3000 | does sip:foo@bar do anything interesting when given to the browser in urlbar and hit enter? | 20:58 |
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| andre900 | sp3000: no? | 21:00 |
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| andre900 | spam... | 21:18 |
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| Shapeshifter | how can i change the date separator without changing the device language? | 21:21 |
| Shapeshifter | i want en_uk, but dd.mm.yyyy | 21:21 |
| redeeman | should be reversed | 21:23 |
| Wizzup | I'm confused... I just want gcc on my phone, and the sdk doesn't seem to be the answer | 21:24 |
| uhsf | what's your opinion about Google Buzz? | 21:24 |
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| ptl | what's Google Buzz? | 21:27 |
| Shapeshifter | i have a feeling microb is broken on my n900 it doesnt load any pages. net is working, i can browse using midori | 21:27 |
| ptl | Shapeshifter: isn't it proxy configuration? | 21:28 |
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| RST38h | Question: Can I safely delete MyDocs/Trash-1000 folder? | 21:37 |
| MiXu- | Has anyone tried installing an SSH server and/or samba on N900? | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, assuming there isn't something you want, yes | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | ssh server sure | 21:38 |
| * MohammadAG deleted it | 21:38 | |
| SpeedEvil | it's in extras IIRC | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | samba no - rsync yes | 21:38 |
| microlith | MiXu-: not samba, but I installed the cifs kernel module | 21:39 |
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| MiXu- | SpeedEvil: Have you noticed a change in the battery consumption after installing it? | 21:39 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Goood =) | 21:39 |
| MiXu- | I'm being cautious about anything that has it's own daemon. | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | MiXu-: no, as I installed it minutes after poweron. | 21:40 |
| MiXu- | =) | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I can say that battery life is >1 day even with it on | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't seen it doing nasty things - requiring lots of wakeups say or CPU | 21:40 |
| MiXu- | ok, thanks | 21:41 |
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| RST38h | Heh... I have got ~/.opera dir | 21:42 |
| RST38h | What the hell? | 21:42 |
| MiXu- | Same question to microlith, have you noticed cifs draining the battery more than expected? | 21:42 |
| Shapeshifter | ptlo: nope | 21:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | btw, isnt there some way to switch tasks using the keyboard only? seems like ctrl+<- and then directional keys doesnt woek | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | camerad | 21:44 |
| hrw | Shapeshifter: most of places in maemo ignore fact that you have keyboard in device | 21:44 |
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| hrw | you cannot switch tasks, you cannot scroll lists | 21:45 |
| hrw | too often you cannot even scroll by typing first letter | 21:45 |
| hrw | but we still use it ;D | 21:45 |
| inz | Hmm, wonder if it's a good idea to add fb over XMPP onto tablet... | 21:47 |
| inz | Will flood my contact book probably =) | 21:47 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:48 |
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| RST38h | Mhm...Quake3 is cool but unusable. Anyone figured a way to exit it? :) | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-backspace? | 21:49 |
| RST38h | no | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | camera button? | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | Power button + end current task | 21:49 |
| RST38h | camera app pops up but does not let me press any other buttons | 21:49 |
| thresh | close it | 21:50 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: power menu pops up but does not let me press any other buttons | 21:50 |
| RST38h | thresh: close what? | 21:50 |
| thresh | camera app :) | 21:50 |
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| thresh | you'll be switched to 'expose' menu or whatever it is | 21:50 |
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| RST38h | cannot: does not respond to buttons | 21:50 |
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| * RST38h sshed in and killed -9 | 21:50 | |
| RST38h | Hardly an easy way to quit game though :) | 21:51 |
| johnsq | remove battery is quicker | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | you mean clicks? | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | johnsq, not a wise idea | 21:51 |
| RST38h | johnsq: not here | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | Holding the power button would switch the device off, and it seems better than removing the battery | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | FAT32's a crap filesystem, and Windows users need it | 21:52 |
| RST38h | SSH rules | 21:53 |
| tybollt | usb users need it | 21:53 |
| MiXu- | I just hate the apps that people put to the repos and don't even bother to make it possible to exit :D | 21:53 |
| RST38h | Nothing beats SSH for teeth removal through anal orifice | 21:53 |
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| tybollt | RST38h: =D | 21:53 |
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| RST38h | I am afraid Quake3 will have to go though, at least until someone deweirdifies it | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | is it ioQuake3? | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | cause that didn't work here | 21:55 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if he should install this http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ | 21:56 | |
| pupnik | lcuk has cool networking for n900s that can be used for games | 21:56 |
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| ptl | where do I get angry birds? | 21:56 |
| RST38h | Ovi | 21:56 |
| ptl | ok | 21:56 |
| lcuk | throw a stone into a tree | 21:56 |
| ptl | thanks | 21:57 |
| lcuk | yw | 21:57 |
| ptl | I was trying through application manager | 21:57 |
| RST38h | lcuk:That is kinda dangerous | 21:57 |
| lcuk | RST38h, lots of practice | 21:57 |
| ptl | yeah, an alligator might fall from the tree and eat you. | 21:57 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Considering that birdies like to take a shit on launch... | 21:57 |
| lcuk | longmoooooooooo btw, havent seen you in a bit | 21:57 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Had to work, sorry... | 21:57 |
| lcuk | as we all do | 21:57 |
| * lcuk has been vvvvvv busy | 21:58 | |
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| RST38h | lcuk: + I just finished watching DrWho 2005-2007 and have not found a decent torrent for 2008-2009 yet | 21:58 |
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| * RST38h has to admit it beats all US sf shows, except for Firefly, hands down | 21:59 | |
| tybollt | ugh | 21:59 |
| tybollt | I can't stand the fricken robot... it looks so amateur-ish | 21:59 |
| RST38h | fine with me | 22:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, way too British for me. | 22:00 |
| tybollt | dal or whatever it is called | 22:00 |
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| RST38h | eh? | 22:00 |
| RST38h | General: That is how I like it =) | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, it's good, but it doesn't beat all US shows. :P | 22:00 |
| lcuk | RST38h, im just watching 2005 atm | 22:00 |
| tybollt | dalek | 22:00 |
| lcuk | and i realised just how good tennant was | 22:00 |
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| lcuk | i used to like eccleston | 22:01 |
| lcuk | but rose takes the series | 22:01 |
| RST38h | General: Well it does not beat Firefly, but I see no other contender | 22:01 |
| thresh | RST38h: try black books | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Battlestar Galactica? | 22:01 |
| RST38h | thresh: checking | 22:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Farscape (sort of, partially Australian) | 22:01 |
| jacekowski | what is the address for extras-devel repository? | 22:01 |
| RST38h | General: Generic Baywatch in Space =) | 22:01 |
| lcuk | RST38h, agreed i general | 22:02 |
| * thresh is a sheer fan of british comedies | 22:02 | |
| jacekowski | same as extras but with extras-devel in address instead? | 22:02 |
| thresh | as well as beer and pubs | 22:02 |
| RST38h | General: The usual good vs evil stuff, dumbed down politically correct himor | 22:02 |
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| RST38h | General: Farscape is actually better at this | 22:03 |
| RST38h | General: But still too prudish | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dr Who is just too GOOFY to ever take top slot for em. | 22:03 |
| RST38h | GOOFY is the word! =) | 22:04 |
| lcuk | you guys are all wrong, star wars ules them all, the way picard fights the evil daleks with his light sword | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/em/me/ | 22:04 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Dr Who is just too GOOFY to ever take top slot for me. | 22:04 |
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| lcuk | its uk based GeneralAntilles | 22:04 |
| lcuk | of course you wouldnt get it :p | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | nice To make Facebook Chat available everywhere, we are using the technology Jabber (XMPP), an open messaging protocol supported by most instant messaging software, including iChat, Pidgin, Adium, Miranda and more. | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's true. | 22:05 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, what scifi/fantasy stuff comes from your neck of the woods? | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | and no, miami vice doesnt count (tho cool) | 22:07 |
| * LinuxCode dislikes DR Who | 22:08 | |
| LinuxCode | solely because he is sick and tired of running into blocked roads | 22:08 |
| LinuxCode | because they are filming | 22:08 |
| lcuk | you live on proxima alpha 3 as well then, they were protesting about that for weeks? | 22:09 |
| LinuxCode | ? | 22:10 |
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| LinuxCode | once they needed extras for Dr who and offered passers by £300 or so for an hours work | 22:10 |
| lcuk | nm, where do they do most filming? | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Babylon 5, Farscape (sort of), Battlestar Galactica, Stark Trek, Futurama, Firefly, etc. | 22:10 |
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| LinuxCode | lcuk, they did loads around here in Cyncoed | 22:11 |
| * lcuk is ignorant of drwho locations | 22:11 | |
| lcuk | ahhh lc | 22:11 |
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| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, old or new battle star galactica ? | 22:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, both? | 22:11 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :D b5 firefly ftw | 22:11 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, they even did something at my old GPs surgery, as it had moved | 22:11 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, k | 22:11 |
| * LinuxCode hates remakes | 22:11 | |
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| LinuxCode | if they really do an A-team remake based on Iraq, I will die | 22:12 |
| LinuxCode | so stupid | 22:12 |
| lcuk | of course it is, we know the a team were sent to afghanistan | 22:13 |
| LinuxCode | loool | 22:13 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 22:13 |
| lcuk | learn to history :p | 22:13 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, Im just sick and tired of all this "US is the best" | 22:13 |
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| LinuxCode | the old series had a degree of humility about them | 22:13 |
| thorbjorn | Hmm, something tells me the N900 could use awesome Google Buzz integration. | 22:13 |
| LinuxCode | i.e. "nobody likes to remember vietnam, etc.. | 22:13 |
| lcuk | meh i kinda think its right, self motivation and confidence is to be commended | 22:13 |
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| LinuxCode | lcuk, not for a war which shouldnt have happened | 22:14 |
| LinuxCode | I still want to see Blair on trial too | 22:14 |
| LinuxCode | and I voted for him | 22:14 |
| lcuk | not that you ar eright | 22:14 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | thorbjorn, i disabled that stupid buzz thing | 22:14 |
| frals | wonder if its ok to get a thread locked and start a new one with the reason its 70 pages long and none is gonna bother reading it all | 22:14 |
| ShadowJK | So I bought a dc-10 car charger... | 22:14 |
| ShadowJK | good news: 1200mA output | 22:15 |
| ScribbleJ | Is it a bad idea to mount my network folder (cifs) where the media player can see it and will (presumably) try to index/thumbnail the tons and tons of videos? | 22:15 |
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| LinuxCode | ScribbleJ, hehe | 22:15 |
| LinuxCode | how much time have you got ? | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | bad news: the "stylish addition to your car" means it has a fuckoff huge ring of blue led | 22:15 |
| LinuxCode | and how much battery | 22:15 |
| lcuk | frals, like i said, we need a way to filter a tmo thread, and only show posts with "thanks" | 22:15 |
| lcuk | that would cut your 70 pages down to 1 post | 22:15 |
| lcuk | give or take ;) | 22:16 |
| frals | hehe | 22:16 |
| lcuk | i dont really care how scewed it would be, but its better to see the posts other members think are valuable | 22:16 |
| lcuk | skewed | 22:17 |
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| thorbjorn | lcuk: I wouldn't expect any different. :) | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | ~curse fbdev | 22:18 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, fbdev ! | 22:18 |
| thorbjorn | lcuk: But a lot of people will like it, and they would probably prefer a phone that integrates with it. | 22:19 |
| * Arif YAWNS | 22:20 | |
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| lcuk | thorbjorn, its the linkages and connections it makes from your mailing list contacts | 22:20 |
| * Arif yawns without caps lock too | 22:20 | |
| lcuk | you are right tho thorbjorn | 22:21 |
| lcuk | some people will go gaga for it | 22:21 |
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| thorbjorn | lcuk: I think it shows Google is in an excellent position to set up a monopoly in a few days if they get their technology right. | 22:21 |
| lcuk | a monopoly of what? | 22:22 |
| thorbjorn | (ie. Google Wave wasn't really a success) | 22:22 |
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| zash | what is google wave good for? | 22:22 |
| thorbjorn | A monopoly on the way people communicate I guess. | 22:22 |
| Arif | someone hack the conversations app to make the font bigger please :D | 22:22 |
| zash | solutions on searh of problems :D | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | how can they be a monopoly if i can just use any other service? | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | Arif: it's html, afaik | 22:23 |
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| Stskeeps | go hack | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:23 |
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| thorbjorn | lcuk: I guess monopoly is a badly chosen word. :) | 22:23 |
| Arif | it's such a waste of screen to have a kind of big avatar on the left but itty bitty letters | 22:23 |
| Arif | :) | 22:23 |
| * lcuk nods ok | 22:23 | |
| lcuk | thats semantics | 22:23 |
| thorbjorn | lcuk: But you know the way there are hundreds of services like Twitter, but none are even a fraction as popular. | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | are they turning the google adverts into windows on buzz? | 22:23 |
| lcuk | thorbjorn, of course | 22:24 |
| lcuk | thats the same with many things | 22:24 |
| thorbjorn | lcuk: Yes, and since Twitter is so popular, it is important to have a nice Twitter app for your phone, at least for many people. | 22:24 |
| thorbjorn | lcuk: I expect the same for Google Buzz quite soon. | 22:25 |
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| asj_ | what exactly is google buzz? | 22:26 |
| lcuk | i heard its googles version of twitter? | 22:27 |
| thorbjorn | lcuk: My thinking is just like, if Google Buzz gets popular, and their Nexus is the only phone that interfaces nicely with it, this would not be so good for Nokia. | 22:27 |
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| thorbjorn | It's like Twitter, but you can comment on other people's "tweets", which is a feature that Twitter basically lacks (you can only tweet back, without any connection to the original post). | 22:28 |
| Jaffa | Surely the browser based one which works on the iPhone and Android will work on the N900 | 22:28 |
| thorbjorn | So it's general usability is much better. | 22:28 |
| thorbjorn | Jaffa: And it will show a map of people's messages in your vicinity? | 22:29 |
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| thorbjorn | its general* | 22:30 |
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| Arkenoi | there already is juick which is basically the same - microblogging service with handy comments and threading | 22:31 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, thorbjorn is right about a dedicated client being good | 22:31 |
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| Myrtti | thorbjorn: so it's like Jaiku or Qaiku, but years later and within gmail. | 22:32 |
| thorbjorn | Jaffa: Actually, Google Maps for S60 will. | 22:32 |
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| * lcuk would prefer to see it services by conversations plugin | 22:32 | |
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| thorbjorn | Myrtti: Maybe. I've never heard about Jaiku or Qaiku or Juick, so those services must have been doing something wrong, unless this kind of service is indeed uninteresting. :) | 22:33 |
| thorbjorn | lcuk: Yeah, that'd be cool. | 22:33 |
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| Arif | whoever wrote the conversations plugins hasn't thought it out very well ;( | 22:33 |
| thorbjorn | Or thought too long without checking practical functionality? | 22:34 |
| * lcuk thinks conversations works v v well | 22:34 | |
| thorbjorn | Not that I know what's wrong with it though. What it does works for me too. | 22:34 |
| Arif | it works a bit too well | 22:34 |
| lcuk | i sent a barrage of nearly 100 txt messages at eldest son the other day | 22:34 |
| thorbjorn | Heh. | 22:34 |
| Arif | I went to cleanup the contact list because MSN added like 200+ entries | 22:35 |
| Arif | and they disappeared from the desktop too! | 22:35 |
| Arif | :D | 22:35 |
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| Myrtti | thorbjorn: Buzz is somewhat based on the idea of a Finnish startup started in 2006 or so, later bought by Google, now available as open source. Qaiku is a technical inheritor or Jaiku legacy, with more features that Jaiku had. Jaiku had feed import, threaded conversations etc. Qaiku has language support far beyond Jaiku, and even Buzz. Some Maemo stuff is done on Qaiku. | 22:35 |
| Myrtti | thorbjorn: http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ | 22:35 |
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| lcuk | jaffa can hermees sync with gmail friends? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | errr contacts | 22:37 |
| Myrtti | thorbjorn: Mauku on N900 even supports Qaiku | 22:37 |
| Myrtti | and originally it supported only Jaiku, twitter came later | 22:37 |
| thorbjorn | Myrtti: Ok, neat stuff. So you mean this thing will already integrate with Google Buzz too? | 22:37 |
| Myrtti | thorbjorn: I didn't say that :-/ | 22:38 |
| thorbjorn | Ah. | 22:38 |
| lcuk | if its based on the same tech then theres a decent chance it might, jaiku migrated to the google app engine didnt it | 22:38 |
| lcuk | or at least be tweakable | 22:39 |
| Myrtti | jaiku migrated to google app engine, but buzz doesn't use any of its code | 22:39 |
| Myrtti | qaiku is using midgard as background engine | 22:39 |
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| thorbjorn | Myrtti: What do you mean with language support? | 22:39 |
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| Myrtti | thorbjorn: I can tell Qaiku I know english, finnish and swedish, and when writing a message, telling what language it's written in. Only people that have told Qaiku they know that language can see it. | 22:40 |
| thorbjorn | Myrtti: Ah, alright. | 22:40 |
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| Myrtti | nifty way of filtering out messages you don't understand from people who are intresting and multilingual | 22:40 |
| Shapeshifter | does someone know a text editor besides vim that does syntax highlighting? | 22:41 |
| Shapeshifter | for the n900 | 22:41 |
| lcuk | pygtkeditor | 22:41 |
| Shapeshifter | a la geany | 22:41 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: ah right thanks | 22:41 |
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| * thresh officially hates delivery services in .ru | 22:45 | |
| thresh | they fake and don't publish the tracking information so you cant screw them for not delivering the packages | 22:46 |
| RST38h | thresh: Black Books actually deserves watching, btw\ | 22:46 |
| thresh | yes, it's dreadful, but quite short | 22:46 |
| johnsu01 | Shapeshifter: emacs :) | 22:47 |
| thresh | that's a direct quote from the series :) | 22:47 |
| thorbjorn | Myrtti: It's another grudge with Twitter indeed, that it's impossible to follow a Russian since most his tweets will be, well, Russian. | 22:47 |
| * RST38h wonders what thorbjorn expected | 22:47 | |
| * thresh tweets in english mostly | 22:48 | |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 22:48 |
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| * SpeedEvil does not tweet. | 22:48 | |
| asj_ | there is no editor but vi ;) | 22:48 |
| thresh | SpeedEvil: now you just being a luddite! | 22:48 |
| thorbjorn | RST38h: I expect a feature like Qaiku, where I can say "only English from this guy please". | 22:48 |
| lcuk | my god, the most useful thing for that language code would be being able to blank txt spk from the view! | 22:49 |
| Lumpio- | I find the "microblog" format pretty much as interesting as IRC away messages | 22:49 |
| thorbjorn | RST38h: Or a feature like PicasaWeb, which is "autotranslate please". | 22:49 |
| Lumpio- | "brb taking a leak" | 22:49 |
| Lumpio- | "back" | 22:49 |
| Lumpio- | You should rather use that macroblog site that has a /minimum/ message length of 4000 characters or so | 22:49 |
| * thresh only follows cool sports men tweets | 22:49 | |
| Arif | built in google translate on twitter? great idea! | 22:49 |
| Lumpio- | It would be a great idea if machine translation worked properly. | 22:49 |
| * RST38h does not tweet, finding this activity humiliating | 22:49 | |
| lcuk | "RT: @lumpio-toilet just flushed, mass 4kg, consistency..." | 22:50 |
| * Arif isn't interesting enough to tweet ;( | 22:50 | |
| Lumpio- | 4kg? holy shit | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I almost have that though. http://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif | 22:50 |
| lcuk | literally | 22:50 |
| Lumpio- | (Literally) | 22:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Now, THAT is a good use for twitter | 22:50 |
| Lumpio- | damn, slow | 22:50 |
| asj_ | Lumpio-: gave birth | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: you can derive the quantities from that. | 22:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Of course, it should also make pictures | 22:50 |
| Myrtti | Lumpio-: Qaiku has the 140char limit only on the start message, comments can be as long as needed | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: the spikes downward are exactly that event :) | 22:50 |
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| Lumpio- | Isn't that a bit... backwards, Myrtti? | 22:50 |
| Myrtti | Lumpio-: no? | 22:50 |
| lcuk | RST38h, for the ladies it wouldnt use the twitpic service | 22:51 |
| Lumpio- | At least AFAIK, blog posts tend to be longer than the comments they get | 22:51 |
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| RST38h | Lumpio: Depends. | 22:51 |
| lcuk | RST38h, should be relatively easy to create a twittering hack like that | 22:51 |
| RST38h | Actually, making shortest blog post that will collect shitloads of comments is an art | 22:52 |
| lcuk | there was a bubble blowing machine at one of the barcamps | 22:52 |
| lcuk | and other stuff similar | 22:52 |
| Lumpio- | "PS3 has no gaems" | 22:52 |
| Lumpio- | I won. | 22:52 |
| thresh | SpeedEvil: what's the software you're using? | 22:52 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Frankly, it is the only use for twitter I can think about | 22:52 |
| lcuk | ditto for irc | 22:52 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Naah, IRC is actually useful | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | thresh: gnuplot+awk | 22:52 |
| thresh | mkay | 22:52 |
| Myrtti | Lumpio-: in Qaiku the idea in some places is to offer a "header" or "title" with the 140chars | 22:53 |
| Lumpio- | ah | 22:53 |
| lcuk | RST38h, twitter is irc for web2.0 tho :p | 22:53 |
| Lumpio- | Then it makes sense | 22:53 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Communication tool. Twitter is just a stupid web site accepting 140-char messages | 22:53 |
| thresh | and don't you have your scales connected to a computer? :o | 22:53 |
| Myrtti | Lumpio-: http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/seminaarikannu/view/1df14fb14670fde14fb11df9e28392befdf19e319e3/ | 22:53 |
| Lumpio- | Sorry, I hadn't heard of Qaiku, just sounded like a twitter clone, I mean, with the same character limit and all | 22:53 |
| * lcuk sees nothing wrong with char limit | 22:53 | |
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| Myrtti | ^ good example of the usage | 22:54 |
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| Lumpio- | mm | 22:55 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, | 22:55 |
| lcuk | your picture | 22:55 |
| lcuk | have you stopped eating? | 22:55 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: The topic ("Tapping the social web") makes the whole conversation pointless | 22:55 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: that channel is for reporting seminars and conferences | 22:55 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: At best, we are seeing discussion of Twitter conducted via Twitter =) | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: not quite. | 22:55 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: technical example, not context example ;-) | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I started out at BMI >30 - 'obese' - and have gotten down to a much more reasonable weight. Around 800 calories down from static intake. | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | good on ya! that chart is actually rly interesting | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | where maemo stores contacts? | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | The spikes show just how damn variable stuff is. And how much scales can lie if you don't do moving averages. | 22:57 |
| lcuk | moving averages? | 22:58 |
| lcuk | that makes me think of lorries and weighbridges | 22:58 |
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| Lumpio- | A moving average would be the average of the values surrounding the point in time | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | :) the green line is a 7 day moving average - of the 7 days centred on a date. | 22:59 |
| Lumpio- | It makes it easier to see long-term trends in data that has lots of short-term variation | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Annoyingly gnuplot can't do that - so I have it done in awk | 22:59 |
| Lumpio- | Maybe I should start charting stuff like that | 23:00 |
| Lumpio- | Although I'd probably despair over the first data point, heh | 23:00 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: It's a feature request which's been raised. Unimplemented as yet. | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm also working on hacking up scripts to integrate 'weightjinni' with www.livestrong.com/thedailyplate/ | 23:01 |
| lcuk | jaffa, as thorbjorn said, with the new google service, it could be something people may request more of | 23:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | Lumpio-:I'd recommend first using the above to accurately work out your calorie intake over a week. Then loo aat where the bulk is coming from and see if you can swap high calorie food you're eating because it's there for lower calorie food that you really like. | 23:03 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, best luck with your targeti also estimate that if you continue at that rate, you will become lighter than air in just over 13months | 23:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I initially was perplexed by the projected date for my target weightloss. Then I realised it was fitting to weight 0. | 23:04 |
| Lumpio- | SpeedEvil: But I already know where it's coming from. | 23:04 |
| lcuk | heh | 23:04 |
| lcuk | target weightless | 23:04 |
| Lumpio- | Fast food is just so... effortless. | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I was somewhat surprised when I did the numbers to find out how many of my daily calories were coming from milk. | 23:04 |
| Lumpio- | Weightlessness would probably be fun for a while, but for a lifetime? no thanks | 23:04 |
| lcuk | damn you! | 23:04 |
| lcuk | >> afk | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Taking my coffee 20C hotter for example - as a stupid example - meant I actually taste it rather than glugging it down, and use less milk. | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - when you feel like a snack but you know you shouldn't - just play angrybirds for a bit. | 23:05 |
| tybollt | Have I come to the weightwatchers forum by accident? :-S | 23:06 |
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| Lumpio- | tybollt: This might be more on-topic than you'd think ;P | 23:07 |
| Lumpio- | Well, I can't talk for everyone though. | 23:07 |
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| Toba_ | hm | 23:07 |
| Toba_ | sending email from the n900 just says "failed" but does not offer an error message of any kind | 23:07 |
| Lumpio- | I can live without snacks. I just need to find a healthier source for my main meals | 23:07 |
| Toba_ | is there some way I can configure the mail application to actually tell me what is wrong? | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Toba: I used strace | 23:08 |
| Toba_ | seriously? | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | which is spectacularly the wrong way to do it. | 23:08 |
| Toba_ | yes | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | But worked. | 23:08 |
| Toba_ | wow | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Somehow it turned out that my hostname had gotten set to sixteen NULs which was upsetting modst. | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | also pidgin | 23:09 |
| Lumpio- | The error message on N900 are a bit lackin indeed | 23:09 |
| Lumpio- | Is there no secret log file or something? | 23:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | not that I've seen | 23:09 |
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| Lumpio- | I mean, like for example, apps tend to just die if you give them the wrong command line arguments | 23:10 |
| Lumpio- | No USAGE, no nothing | 23:10 |
| Lumpio- | No man page either | 23:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | man is online. . . . | 23:10 |
| SpeedEvil | for stuff like camera-ui? | 23:10 |
| Toba_ | I'm just glad this is the only thing I've had trouble with | 23:10 |
| Toba_ | but still | 23:10 |
| Toba_ | just 'failed' really nokia? | 23:10 |
| Lumpio- | Well, osso-xterm would be nice for a start | 23:11 |
| Toba_ | that is not a useful message | 23:11 |
| Lumpio- | ...IIRC | 23:11 |
| Toba_ | that is hiding what is wrong | 23:11 |
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| Lumpio- | (The exact name, thatis (>IIRC)) | 23:11 |
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| jacekowski | is anybody using gadu-gadu on n900 or does anybody know how to import buddylist/contacts from it to n900 contacts? | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Does 'activating' a red bird do anything? | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | red bird? | 23:13 |
| hexagoon | Does anyone know if it's ok to recompile a debian package and upload to maemo repos? | 23:13 |
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| hexagoon | just adding a changelog entry noting the port | 23:14 |
| Toba_ | I would hope so. | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | hexagoon, not if you're planning on uploading it to non-free. :) | 23:14 |
| Toba_ | hahaha what | 23:14 |
| Toba_ | i think it goes the other way, GeneralAntilles ;) | 23:14 |
| Lumpio- | SpeedEvil: Don't think it does | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Toba, if he's planning on "recompiling" then it sounds like he's doing it locally. | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which sounds like he's just planning on uploading a binary. | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which aint gonna work. | 23:15 |
| Toba_ | I figure he means cross compiling... | 23:15 |
| hexagoon | GeneralAntilles: Well, sourcing the original package, repack it and upload to extras :P | 23:15 |
| Toba_ | remember hexagoon it's an ARM chip | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Toba, that doesn't mean anything different. :) | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Toba_, if he's uploading it to Extras, it's going through the autobuilder which handles the compilation. :) | 23:16 |
| Toba_ | heh | 23:16 |
| Toba_ | I should shut up about things I don't know as much about as I thought I did. | 23:16 |
| hexagoon | Toba_: =) | 23:16 |
| hexagoon | I'm a dev, just need to port some dependencies | 23:16 |
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| hexagoon | well, i give it a go :) | 23:17 |
| hexagoon | if no-one disagrees ? ;) | 23:17 |
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| pwnguin | looks like someoone hacked in USB OTG for droid | 23:19 |
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| pwnguin | wonder how hard it would be to duplicate that on n900 | 23:20 |
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| jacekowski | droid on n900? | 23:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: OTG is impossible - thjere is no pin got it. USB-host seems not to be impossible as so far discovered. | 23:28 |
| SpeedEvil | But nobodies done it | 23:28 |
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| Toba_ | how can I find if anyone has packaged pysqlite for fremantle? | 23:34 |
| Toba_ | it doesn't seem to be in freemoe | 23:34 |
| Toba_ | at least not in extras and devel | 23:34 |
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| mk8 | hi guys, I have a problem with INotify on a devkit environment .... the testing C code compile on ARMEL and X86 but not on HOST environment ... | 23:36 |
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| mk8 | anyone have a suggestion? | 23:36 |
| frals | Toba: the python sqlit3e module is builtin | 23:38 |
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| hexagoon | mk8: What's the host environment? | 23:40 |
| mk8 | hexagoon: I need to have a devkit so I need to use host gcc e not the cross compiler ... | 23:41 |
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| mk8 | so I try to define a new environment on the scratchbox that us gcc (host) instead gcc (cross) ... | 23:41 |
| hexagoon | mk8: what happens? | 23:42 |
| mk8 | I also install maemo-sdk-debug, rootstrap and so on ... but I not able to compile a code that use INotify | 23:42 |
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| hexagoon | what happens when you try to compile ? :) | 23:43 |
| mk8 | probably I make some mistake on the configuration of the environment.... | 23:43 |
| mk8 | hexagoon: I got this error: | 23:43 |
| mk8 | /var/tmp/cc2TNRPk.o(.text+0x1b): In function `main': | 23:43 |
| mk8 | : undefined reference to `inotify_init' | 23:43 |
| mk8 | /var/tmp/cc2TNRPk.o(.text+0x4b): In function `main': | 23:43 |
| mk8 | : undefined reference to `inotify_add_watch' | 23:43 |
| mk8 | /var/tmp/cc2TNRPk.o(.text+0x1e6): In function `main': | 23:43 |
| mk8 | sorry ... next time I will use pastebin | 23:43 |
| hexagoon | =) | 23:44 |
| hexagoon | do you have the inotify lib? | 23:44 |
| hexagoon | and devlib? | 23:44 |
| Arkenoi | what is the "finger-friendly" link for buzz? | 23:44 |
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| mk8 | hexagoon: I not know .. I install the maemo-sdk-debug package in the HOST environment | 23:45 |
| mk8 | to compile the C code I simply use "gcc inotify.c -o inotify.bin" ... on all the environment, I never specify any external lib | 23:46 |
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| luke-jr | mk8: you need to if it uses an external lib | 23:48 |
| luke-jr | when invoked as 'gcc', it by default links libc | 23:48 |
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| luke-jr | for inotify tho, there are no libs.. | 23:50 |
| mk8 | right luke-jr, but inotify is in the kernel so I suppose that is resolved by libc | 23:50 |
| luke-jr | mk8: I don't think libc provides kernel interfaces | 23:50 |
| luke-jr | but I don't know how they are resolved :| | 23:50 |
| Toba_ | heh | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | you can syscall() kernel things glibc doesn't know about | 23:52 |
| v13 | for some things, glibc provides just aliases against syscalls() | 23:54 |
| mk8 | ShadowJK: the problem is more complex. I identify that an not able to compile code that use inotify ... but I need to compile a big crunch of code that I not write and use inotify .... | 23:55 |
| v13 | you can always get the inotify code from glibc and add it to the code | 23:55 |
| v13 | but make sure that inotify actually works on mameo's kernel first :) | 23:56 |
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| mk8 | v13: the problem is that glib not compile because not find inotify interface | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | v13: good point :) | 23:56 |
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| Arif | hmmm | 23:56 |
| Arif | I seem to be missing mplayer.conf | 23:56 |
| v13 | mk8: you can always modify configure or configure.in to always succeed on that test | 23:56 |
| Arif | can I just create it? | 23:56 |
| mk8 | luke-jr , v13 , the problem is glib libray during the linking stage give me this error .... | 23:57 |
| johnsu01 | why don't we have /etc/shells? | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | arif: sure | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | mk8: ok, I don't use glib. :P | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | or /home/user/.mplayer/config | 23:58 |
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| mk8 | luke-jr: I suppose that is not possible for me ... :( | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | mk8: why? | 23:58 |
| Arif | I looked in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf | 23:58 |
| mk8 | because the environment that I try to port use glib library | 23:59 |
| luke-jr | fail :P | 23:59 |
| * Arif goes to look there too | 23:59 | |
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