| ShadowJK | the journal is probably not that bad | 00:00 |
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| wazd_n800 | stskeeps, how was the bar?) | 00:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | the ideal solution would be something that supported trim | 00:01 |
| SpeedEvil | but... | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | was good | 00:01 |
| microlith | SpeedEvil: nah, were it usable by ubifs or logfs, TRIM wouldn't be necssary | 00:01 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, it was bad if you can type now :D | 00:01 |
| microlith | +e | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: you're asking for catalytic converter and we haven't even got an internal combustion engine yet! | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | I thought logfs was able to run on block devices? | 00:02 |
| woglinde | isnt trim in 2.6.33ß | 00:02 |
| microlith | ShadowJK: it is, but it's not stable (enough) yet | 00:02 |
| SpeedEvil | microlith: yes. Either a 'get out of my way, I know about NAND and will wear level myself' mode - or TRIM | 00:03 |
| microlith | yup | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | woglinde: trim may be in the kernel - however - SDs don't support it | 00:03 |
| ShadowJK | yes but the hardware isn't ssd, and its internal structure doesn't lend itself to doing anything meaningful with trim anyway | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: have to travel tomorrow so can't be too drunk :P | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: do you ahve any actual documentation on wear leveling on SDs? | 00:04 |
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| microlith | regular SD cards don't do any wear levelling, iirc | 00:04 |
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| ShadowJK | the LogFS author posted to LKML about it | 00:04 |
| ShadowJK | microlith: they do | 00:04 |
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| ShadowJK | but it all operates with 256k blocks | 00:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: do you happen to recall keywords - or did you happen to bookmark it? | 00:04 |
| maromader | so, should I stick with ext3 then for /home ? | 00:05 |
| microlith | maromader: for the sake of your data, yes | 00:05 |
| ShadowJK | Speedevil: joern engel smartmedia | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | The physical erase block size of the flash involved is 128-256k | 00:05 |
| ShadowJK | maybe | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | smartmedia isn't SD though | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | unless that's just a comment | 00:05 |
| microlith | smartmedia was almost a raw NAND interface | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 00:05 |
| maromader | ok then | 00:05 |
| maromader | ext3 it will be | 00:05 |
| ShadowJK | smartmedia is also a FTL format | 00:06 |
| maromader | how about /usr? /opt? | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | and what he found was that basically all usb keys and memory cards implement smartmedia | 00:06 |
| microlith | maromader: /usr is on the / partition, /opt is a symlink to /home/opt | 00:06 |
| ds3 | was? smartmedia is a raw NAND interface | 00:07 |
| microlith | ds3: find me a smartmedia card :P | 00:07 |
| ds3 | people have used them on a raw NAND controller (if there is such a thing) | 00:07 |
| SpeedEvil | smartmedia is not what you mean | 00:07 |
| ds3 | microlith: want to buy one? | 00:07 |
| maromader | microlith, I so, so if I move /usr to the smartmedia, then I should set it up as ext3 | 00:07 |
| microlith | not particularly, I haven't see any devices that use the formfactor since 2003 | 00:07 |
| ds3 | they reduced the size and called them xD cards | 00:08 |
| microlith | maromader: you will likely have trouble booting if you move /usr | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | 2003 is pretty late | 00:08 |
| ds3 | same stuff, different package | 00:08 |
| microlith | ds3: oh, those evil things | 00:08 |
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| maromader | microlith, no, already done that a few times :) | 00:08 |
| microlith | a whole two companies backing them | 00:08 |
| ds3 | there are still 2? ;) | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg170028.html | 00:08 |
| maromader | n900 boots fine | 00:08 |
| microlith | ds3: only ones I knew of were Olympus and Fuji | 00:08 |
| microlith | everyone else went SD except (lol) sony | 00:09 |
| Damion2 | faster than light? | 00:09 |
| ds3 | microlith: were? | 00:09 |
| microlith | Damion2: flash transition layer | 00:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | The above claims that 'all' USB sticks implment a wear leveling algorithm similar to the one in the smartmedia standard | 00:10 |
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| microlith | ds3: right right, it's not dead yet | 00:10 |
| Damion2 | yeah well obviously I didn't really think it was ftl ;) | 00:10 |
| ds3 | microlith: I seem to recall Fuji was phasing it out | 00:10 |
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| microlith | ds3: wouldn't surprise me | 00:11 |
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| ShadowJK | So anyway, second generation SSD's map 4k logical block writes sequentially into the 256k physical, and keeps a map of where each 4k block is located physically, this is why they have enormous 64M RAM ("cache")... SD and such map 256k block to a 256k physical... | 00:12 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:12 |
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| woglinde | nite trem | 00:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | There are relatively simple and resource unintensive ways of doing wear leveling. | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | trim helps those second-gen SSD's to do something sensible once everything is rewritten in a new random order | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | But I have mislaid where I put my bookmarks on this. | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | Well it's not just wear leveling :) | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 00:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | wear leveling - pretending it's a defect free4 device and defragmenting, and ... | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | logfs author replied "i dont" after presenting logfs and one in the audience asking how he does wear leveling | 00:14 |
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| ShadowJK | basically it shuffles around all active data anyway | 00:14 |
| microlith | ShadowJK: he doesn't? | 00:14 |
| microlith | ahh | 00:14 |
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| woglinde | ~seen javispedro | 00:15 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@69.Red-80-32-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 4h 28m 5s ago, saying: 'well I'm going to take it to a nokia care point and see what Phoenix has to say'. | 00:15 |
| wazd_n800 | nokia care captured javis! | 00:16 |
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| maromader | how to initialize tracker index? | 00:16 |
| * microlith facepalms at all the spam posts on tmo | 00:16 | |
| ShadowJK | nilfs2 vs ext3 on a OCZ Rally2 Turbo (dual channel usb flash key, 30ish meg write speed sequential) is kinda funny | 00:16 |
| dracflamloc | got my n900! | 00:16 |
| dracflamloc | =D | 00:16 |
| woglinde | wazd do you know if javis holds a talk at fosem? | 00:17 |
| dracflamloc | annnnd | 00:17 |
| dracflamloc | its updating | 00:17 |
| maromader | dracflamloc, congratulations :-) | 00:17 |
| wazd_n800 | dracflamloc, congrats | 00:17 |
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| maromader | dracflamloc, don't brick it the same day :) | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK | my benchmark of copying 2 gig squid cache yields about 500kbyte/s with ext3, and 5 megabytes/sec with nilfs2 | 00:17 |
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| dracflamloc | i'll try not to | 00:17 |
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| dracflamloc | but ive got all nigth without my wife... | 00:17 |
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| ShadowJK | unfortunately nilfs2 blows up on arm after a few minutes :) | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK | (well the vm blows up, the fs and data is intact) | 00:18 |
| microlith | versioning and continouous snapshotting... doesn't that eat up space after a while? | 00:18 |
| woglinde | hm so nilfs2 is really coole for flash devices? | 00:18 |
| ShadowJK | it throws away old versions unless you ask them to be kept | 00:18 |
| microlith | oh ok | 00:18 |
| ShadowJK | (eventually) | 00:18 |
| microlith | oh cool, sponsored by NTT | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | any log structured fs should be awesome on flash and cheap ssd | 00:19 |
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| ShadowJK | btrfs is (or was) kinda halfway there with a cheap-ssd mode that just made the disk layout algorithm consider write seeks very expensive and read seeks cheap | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | but I heard it was removed? not sure | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | btrfs is kinda unfinished :) | 00:21 |
| microlith | that sounds more like compensating for a bad controller | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | um | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | You wont get a "good" controller with anything except second gen ssd | 00:21 |
| ds3 | why are people using SSD's instead of a board with a NAND controller + NAND? | 00:22 |
| microlith | ds3: because they can plug them into their existing SATA interfaces and boot off them | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | Those things are basically Arm CPUs running LogFS-type things. | 00:22 |
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| ds3 | microlith: so people are lazy and stupid, in order words? | 00:22 |
| ScribbleJ | Anyone here tried playing with artoolkit on the N900? | 00:23 |
| ds3 | a NAND controller is cheaper and better | 00:23 |
| ScribbleJ | There's packages for it in extras-devel but they appear to contain nothing! | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | ds3: just look at the confusion and complaining about the N900 NAND :) | 00:23 |
| microlith | ds3: I dunno, I don't think I'd want to mess around too much with my work laptop just to get some additional responsiveness | 00:23 |
| ds3 | ShadowJK: I suppose... a direct NAND interface seems natural and proper to me | 00:23 |
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| ds3 | but then I make an effort to avoid x86 ;) | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | So basically stuff that simulates block devices is used for consumers, because then it just works when it's connected to their PC | 00:25 |
| microlith | ds3: I -think- the fusionio devices effectively do something similar, but have no means of proving it | 00:25 |
| ShadowJK | mass production makes this cheaper than raw nand, amusingly :-) | 00:25 |
| ds3 | I donno about that | 00:25 |
| ds3 | you can't do X + Y < Y.... X + Y <= Y maybe | 00:26 |
| ds3 | I guess this all those into the cloud known as the mystery of x86 | 00:26 |
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| recalcati_ | hi all, I'm trying to install fosdem application on N900 | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | there's enterprise stuff with tons of SLC nand on PCIe... but it's bloody expensive :-) | 00:27 |
| ds3 | yes, but that's because there is the abomination known as PCIe | 00:27 |
| recalcati_ | I've downloaded fosdem-schedule_0.4_fremantle . Now its possible to install it ? | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | ds3: don't forget, if they suspect you aren't a consumer, price goes up by 10x ;-) | 00:28 |
| ds3 | ShadowJK: Indeed... but I am hoping the coming SoC Atoms might fix some of this | 00:28 |
| recalcati_ | If I click on it the N900 asks me to choose an application, so I choose application manager, but nothing happens | 00:28 |
| recalcati_ | I'm wrong ? | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | User's aren't supposed to download random .deb files from internet | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | dpkg -i from x-terminal after sudo gainroot (rootsh in extras) | 00:30 |
| recalcati_ | rootsh how to install ? | 00:30 |
| ShadowJK | enable extras (maemo.org) in app manager (menu->application catalogues), download, all, scroll to rootsh | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | (approximately, from my poor memory) | 00:32 |
| recalcati_ | i have enabled maemo . now its verifying new applications | 00:33 |
| woglinde | goodnite | 00:33 |
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| ShadowJK | ds3: i guess one can always hope thet wont be crippled | 00:34 |
| * ShadowJK 'd wanr a m-itx or m-atx atom dualcore board with 4gigs ram and 4-8 sata ports | 00:34 | |
| ShadowJK | at sub-phenom price | 00:35 |
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| recalcati_ | ShadowJK: rootsh installed. | 00:36 |
| recalcati_ | now I try | 00:36 |
| jebba | t-tan: you notice any real differences with -O2 now that you've had it awhile? | 00:36 |
| ds3 | ShadowJK: why go atom if you want all that? | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | hey I'd take that with an arm cpu too... | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | low power storage server being the goal | 00:37 |
| ds3 | what do you need that is not in the slug already? | 00:38 |
| recalcati_ | there is tab completion using x terminal ? | 00:38 |
| ShadowJK | slug died, and it's sluggish ;p | 00:38 |
| ds3 | oh | 00:39 |
| ShadowJK | atom 330 can push at half gigabit speed | 00:39 |
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| ShadowJK | slug at, uh, 40mbit? | 00:40 |
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| * ShadowJK has a sheeva, but no sata there :( | 00:40 | |
| frals | recalcati_: ctrl+i | 00:41 |
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| recalcati_ | frals: beautifull ! | 00:41 |
| ShadowJK | also on the statuss bar thing at the bottom | 00:42 |
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| Lumpio- | Man I need snap to grid for desktop widgets | 00:43 |
| recalcati_ | perfect. application installed and working . thank you very much | 00:43 |
| redeeman | Lumpio-: so enable | 00:43 |
| Lumpio- | I just spent 15 minutes OCDing with positioning | 00:43 |
| Lumpio- | I... must have missed that option :o | 00:43 |
| redeeman | its on by default in PR1.1, just with a very small snap setting | 00:44 |
| jophish | http://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_repositories#Porting_Debian_Packages mentions etch. Would it be best to use lenny, or perhaps squeeze? | 00:44 |
| redeeman | i cant remember the config file, search the bugtracker for the bug about it, and its there | 00:44 |
| Lumpio- | oo ok | 00:45 |
| Lumpio- | Thanks | 00:45 |
| recalcati_ | fosdem scheduling application on N900 is really interesting. | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Lumpio-: you can enable it | 00:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Lumpio-: I think it's enabled at 4 pixel res | 00:51 |
| Matthew- | Hey, is it possible to block a number from calling me and texting me? | 00:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transistions.ini - at the end - Lumpio- | 00:55 |
| Lumpio- | Thanks! | 00:55 |
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| Lumpio- | I did notice there's some snapping, but not enough for my purposes | 00:55 |
| Lumpio- | I'll check that file out | 00:55 |
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| ptl | where is scummvm? I can't find it on the repositories | 01:00 |
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| Z4lk | i think its in the devel repo | 01:03 |
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| t-tan | jebba: I didn't notice any slowdowns so far :) it's hard to tell - the N900 is already quite fast | 01:06 |
| * luke-jr wants Qualcomm's dual-core 1.5 GHz Snapdragon <.< | 01:07 | |
| t-tan | jebba: I'd need to N900 with different kernels to tell the difference | 01:07 |
| t-tan | s/to/two/ | 01:07 |
| infobot | t-tan meant: jebba: I'd need two N900 with different kernels to tell the difference | 01:07 |
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| uhsf | i can ssh with wifi, but why usb network connection gives ssh: connect to host N900 port 22: No route to host? | 01:08 |
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| ptl | Z4lk: I have extras and extras-devel activated and still nothing | 01:11 |
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| scr4ve | uhsh: pc-connectivity installed? | 01:11 |
| scr4ve | correct ip? | 01:12 |
| Z4lk | then i dont know thats where i got it from | 01:12 |
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| jebba | t-tan: mine has been rebooting a bit, like 4-5 times in 12 hours.... | 01:15 |
| jebba | i didnt really see that before. | 01:15 |
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| t-tan | jebba: no reboots so far. when did it happen? with certain apps? or just randomly? | 01:17 |
| xorAxAx | moin cehteh | 01:17 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders why vim is 21M | 01:17 | |
| xorAxAx | ceh900: | 01:17 |
| xorAxAx | ceh900: --> #dwimd | 01:17 |
| uhsf | scr4ve: can't find package pc-connectivity | 01:17 |
| t-tan | SpeedEvil: to compete with Emacs | 01:18 |
| scr4ve | uhsf: maemo5-pc-connectivity afaik | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | t-tan: naah - busybox tools tend to be somewhat limited. And it's not really reasonable to expect a phone to ship with full vi. | 01:18 |
| scr4ve | just google it | 01:18 |
| scr4ve | http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/ | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | t-tan: thread clash - yeah. | 01:19 |
| t-tan | SpeedEvil: it is reasonable to expect any phone to ship with vi?? | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | nevermind - I was commenting on something said in another channel - and forgot it wasn't this one. I need to go to sleep or something. | 01:20 |
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| t-tan | SpeedEvil: if busybox is to limited for you - try the new *utils-gnu packages | 01:20 |
| t-tan | SpeedEvil: no problem | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | where is this wonderous package? | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | It'd be quicker to list the busybox tools that haven't annoyed me. | 01:21 |
| t-tan | SpeedEvil: I just uploaded fresh versions: coreutils-gnu, findutils-gnu, grep-gnu, sed-gnu, tar-gnu | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | oooh! | 01:21 |
| t-tan | I wonder why Nokia shipped busybox at all. the real tools are not much larger and is still some space left on NAND... | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | PSS | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | The busybox tools have a much lower RAM use when they are in RAM as I understand it. | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | If you have - say - busybox shell running - then to run also awk, or ps at the same time adds very little RAM use | 01:23 |
| jebba | t-tan: it rebooted on a couple fone calls and other times just random. | 01:23 |
| t-tan | SpeedEvil: compared to Qt? :) | 01:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | t-tan: now you're just being silly, and bringing rationality into the argument. | 01:24 |
| uhsf | scr4ve: are you sure maemo5-pc-connectivity is needed? because it's not mentionned in the howto | 01:24 |
| t-tan | jebba: ok, we'll see. maybe I had just too much luck today. | 01:24 |
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| jebba | i have quite a lot of stuff compiled into my kernel, but lots of those modules aren't loaded so it shouldn't matter (e.g. i'm not using NAT IPv6 etc) | 01:25 |
| jebba | would be nice to just lower the senstitivity of the watchdog or something. I need to track down what is actually resetting the device... | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: look in /etc/*/*/* for dsmetool | 01:26 |
| t-tan | jebba: I noticed that IPv6 is loaded by default, BTW | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | jebba: mentions of - that is | 01:26 |
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| t-tan | jebba: could you try my kernel to check whether it's possibly only a minor difference that causes the reboots? | 01:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | dsmetool launches most stuff - and will reboot if some things die | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | or if some things die often | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | forex the browser dying 3 times will casue a reboot | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | usually | 01:29 |
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| ptl | t-tan: do you know if there's an easier way to do enter in the emulated 'terminal' from the scratchbox emulator than clicking on the "ctrl" button, pressing enter and then unclicking it? Also, do you know if there's any way to simulate accelerometer, GPS etc. within scratchbox? | 01:30 |
| t-tan | SpeedEvil: you mean, if the device is on for two weeks and the browser crashes 3 times...? | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | t-tan: no - I think it's within 6 mins | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | t-tan: awk-gnu? | 01:32 |
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| t-tan | ptl: I don't think so - for advanced stuff you need the real device. why would you use the graphical X-Terminal in scratchbox? | 01:32 |
| maromader | when I do "tar -c -f - /home/user/MyDocs | ssh user@host cat > MyDocs.tar", tar (from busybox) creates a file MyDocs.tar in current directory and stops at some point because disk is full. any way to avoid that? | 01:32 |
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| t-tan | SpeedEvil: not yet ready - it's an awkward package :) | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | t-tan: :) | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | not optified I guess. | 01:33 |
| ScribbleJ | tar -cf - | ssh user@host "dd of=Mydocs.tar" | 01:33 |
| ScribbleJ | Er | 01:33 |
| maromader | let's see... | 01:33 |
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| ScribbleJ | tar -cf - /home/user/MyDocs | ssh user@host "dd of=Mydocs.tar" | 01:34 |
| ScribbleJ | I left out the directory to tar. | 01:34 |
| ScribbleJ | I'd compress it too if I were you. | 01:34 |
| ScribbleJ | tar -czf - /home/user/MyDocs | ssh user@host "dd of=Mydocs.tgz" | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | t-tan: thannks - I have find that's not broken | 01:34 |
| maromader | ScribbleJ, thanks, I forgot about " " in ssh :-) | 01:35 |
| ptl | t-tan: for testing and such | 01:35 |
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| maromader | do you know if /home/user/* is the same in all regions (US, Europe, Asia, etc.), or there are multiple versions of user directory? perhaps I could create "standard packages" with /home/user/ contents to download for people who are doing repartitioning? | 01:36 |
| t-tan | ptl: why don't you just use the scratchbox shell? | 01:36 |
| ScribbleJ | Wtfun | 01:36 |
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| t-tan | maromader: you mean packages of the MyDocs folder contents? | 01:38 |
| maromader | yes | 01:38 |
| ptl | t-tan: well, it might be an issue that affects other applications, isn't it? I don't want to find out just when i need it | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | t-tan: oops - yes - it is optified - I misread df | 01:38 |
| maromader | so instead of making backups yourself you could grab the contents from the net and put them on N900 after repartitioning | 01:38 |
| ptl | and about GPS, accelerometer and such - it's dangerous experimenting on the device | 01:38 |
| ptl | it might mess up your phone | 01:38 |
| ptl | so it's best to test on the emulator first | 01:38 |
| ptl | when your program is stable, you do the device tests | 01:38 |
| ptl | this is the rationale for the emulator in the first place, isn't it? | 01:39 |
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| t-tan | ptl: I haven't played with GPS stuff (liblocation?) yet but if you could come up with some "replay GPS/accel from file" solution that could be useful | 01:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: practically - with a sane program - that doesn't touch contacts or phone or ... - there is little prospect of screwing stuff up if you're remotely sane | 01:40 |
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| t-tan | ptl: if it doesn't exist already... | 01:40 |
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| odin_ | hi folks | 01:41 |
| t-tan | ptl: if you're only reading data (GPS etc) there's not much that can go wrong | 01:41 |
| odin_ | just about to install debian etch/lenny/sarge i386 into VMWare Player | 01:42 |
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| t-tan | maromader: but there are only a few demo movies and nothing relevant on MyDocs, isn't it? | 01:42 |
| maromader | t-tan, true, but after simple copy those directories aren't indexed by tracker anymore | 01:43 |
| t-tan | odin_: how do install three versions simultaneously?? | 01:43 |
| maromader | and I want to have N900 after repartitioning as close to the original as possible | 01:43 |
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| odin_ | into 3 different container files (or partitions etc..) | 01:43 |
| t-tan | maromader: you might run into some license problems with the defaullt contents | 01:45 |
| maromader | t-tan, yeah, you're right... then just a guide how to make those backups yourself | 01:45 |
| t-tan | maromader: I have a backup on my HD - and I only repartitioned once... | 01:46 |
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| maromader | t-tan, I want to make a set of scripts which will do almost all work for you | 01:47 |
| embedded | hi all | 01:47 |
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| t-tan | maromader: if you want to make reparitioning easier you could start with compiling typical partioning scenarios so that we know how could make ke-recv and rcS-late more flexible | 01:49 |
| t-tan | maromader: I think everybody maintains his own scripts for partitioning and we're all reinventing the wheel... | 01:50 |
| ptl | t-tan: ok... | 01:51 |
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| uhsf | does someone here use usb to connect a n900 to a pc? how to do this? the howto doesn't work for me | 01:54 |
| maromader | t-tan, will do when I finish this "basic" version :) | 01:54 |
| odin_ | uhsf, is the PC Windows or Linux ? | 01:55 |
| uhsf | linux | 01:55 |
| odin_ | what desktop environment ? when you hookup the N900 you select Mass Storage Controller ? | 01:55 |
| t-tan | maromader: ok, cool. what is your "basic" version? | 01:55 |
| uhsf | odin_: i select pc suite, i want to ssh to and from my pc | 01:56 |
| maromader | t-tan, method http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie wrapped in 3 scripts | 01:56 |
| odin_ | uhsf, I use WLAN for SSH myself, no idea about PC Suite Mode and Linux PC host | 01:56 |
| maromader | pc suite is useful if you don't want MyDocs and SD card remounted on linux box | 01:57 |
| t-tan | maromader: I don't think more than one ext2 parition makes sense | 01:57 |
| uhsf | maromader: what exactly is the use of pc suite mode if i can't ssh? | 01:58 |
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| maromader | t-tan, so, put all of / on mmc? | 01:58 |
| t-tan | maromader: you'd have to repartition whenever one partition is full | 01:58 |
| odin_ | uhsf, I guess to talk to the PC Suite Tooling ? | 01:58 |
| maromader | uhsf, you can ssh over the air :) | 01:58 |
| odin_ | uhsf, what is the point of built in WLAN if you can't SSH ! | 01:58 |
| uhsf | i can ssh with wifi | 01:59 |
| maromader | t-tan, then I will have to modify the bootloader to boot system from mmc, right? | 01:59 |
| uhsf | it's the usb connection that is useless | 01:59 |
| t-tan | maromader: not necessarly, only the stuff that is frequently accessed. | 01:59 |
| ph1l | what are the programs witch mounts /home? doesn't have to be within /etc/event.d? i'm so confused... | 01:59 |
| uhsf | i should plug it in the wall socket i would be as much useful | 01:59 |
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| t-tan | maromader: for now, I'd keep usr on / and opt for full optications | 01:59 |
| maromader | t-tan, you mean on that small 256 MB cripple of system partition? :-) | 02:00 |
| odin_ | is PC Suite Mode just a PPP connection over USB ? | 02:00 |
| maromader | t-tan, I like FHS, I'm not a fan of optification | 02:00 |
| t-tan | maromader: yes, if all addon sw goes to /opt there's no problem | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's still /usr & /var problem | 02:01 |
| maromader | yeah, /usr is big | 02:01 |
| maromader | I don't know about /var though | 02:01 |
| odin_ | t-tan, thans not ture... dpkg/apt do not scale | 02:01 |
| uhsf | odin_: how a ppp connection over usb could be used? | 02:01 |
| t-tan | maromader: FHS doesn't conflict with "real" optification, ie. no symlinks in / | 02:01 |
| ph1l | ah, and anybody knows the source of the SIM-pin entry dialog while startup? | 02:02 |
| odin_ | t-tan, rootfs has major problem is software repos for Maemo5 start to spring up and devel/testing packages get promoted | 02:02 |
| odin_ | s/ture/true/ | 02:02 |
| t-tan | yes, /var should be moved to eMMC, too | 02:02 |
| odin_ | I hope N900 is a success and I hope the number of packages in stable increase 10 fold | 02:03 |
| odin_ | then what is Nokia going to do | 02:03 |
| maromader | right now I'm using Ruskie's partition setup, I was planning to change it when scripts will be stable to include /var on MMC | 02:03 |
| uhsf | please someone explain the purpose of this page http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking if it's impossible to ping anything else than the n900 itself | 02:03 |
| maromader | uhsf, it is possible, I've done it | 02:03 |
| uhsf | how? | 02:04 |
| maromader | using the guide | 02:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests to grab a book about arbitrary distro config and (esp) partitioning - *from 1999!!* | 02:04 | |
| maromader | besides, why do you need usb networking of you have wifi? | 02:04 |
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| t-tan | odin_: I think the next FW update should move /var to /home/var on the first boot | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | back then hackers knew how to partition a system | 02:04 |
| odin_ | t-tan, great idea, I hope Nokia do it and support it | 02:05 |
| uhsf | i always prefer wired when i'm home | 02:05 |
| Tonzas | Anyone got any clue, that when ovi maps 3.03 will be available on the n900? :o | 02:05 |
| maromader | uhsf, it's a *portable* device :-) | 02:05 |
| maromader | why would you want to tether it to a wall? | 02:05 |
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| uhsf | maromader: are you sure you pinged outside the n900 over usb and it was not the wifi that went on automatically cause that's what it always keeps doing | 02:06 |
| t-tan | odin_: we could file a bug report like: I have installed 100 packages from extras* and now my /var/ is too large to fit on NAND | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe because of anti-wlan policy of the location/company you're at? | 02:06 |
| maromader | uhsf, yes, I'm sure | 02:06 |
| uhsf | i did the exact same thing as in the guide at least 10 times | 02:07 |
| maromader | DocScrutinizer, he's talking about his home | 02:07 |
| odin_ | t-tan, file a bug, I've tested the prospect that extras-testing and extra-devel packages all get promoted to extras and the number of packages double (over the expected lifetime of the N900) and now my rootfs is full | 02:07 |
| odin_ | t-tan, also I did not install any of these extras package, I merely added the repo | 02:08 |
| odin_ | t-tan, urgent scalability concern within the expected lifetime of the N900 | 02:08 |
| t-tan | odin_: please a go ahead, if you already have data. I'd vote for the bug | 02:08 |
| odin_ | t-tan, I don't have the data | 02:09 |
| t-tan | odin_: the App manager also doesn't scale well (unlike dpkg/apt) - it's already too slow for me | 02:09 |
| odin_ | t-tan, well dpkg/apt reallt isn't that fast either, try, time dpkg -l | 02:10 |
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| t-tan | odin_: already started. I'll let you know when it finishes ;-) | 02:11 |
| t-tan | odin_: another design flaw are the dependencies of all the language packages | 02:12 |
| odin_ | t-tan, what you mean there should be a mechnism to say, "XXX-en is optional if MASTER-en is not installed, but mandatory is MASTER-en is installed" | 02:13 |
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| odin_ | t-tan, so the virtual package MASTER-en is installed, it will automatically cause all EN language related stuff to be dragged in for the packages you have installed | 02:14 |
| odin_ | t-tan, where you application is just "XXX" | 02:14 |
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| t-tan | odin_: the PR package should not depend on all language packs. there should be metapackages for every luanguage and maybe en could be required as default. you'd get updates if the package is installed, but you could remove all languages you don't need | 02:16 |
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| uhsf | maromader: the guide says to install usb-network-modules but the package can't be found | 02:19 |
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| maromader | uhsf, what system do you use on the pc? | 02:20 |
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| uhsf | arch | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | g_ether, cdc_ether | 02:23 |
| maromader | uhsf, well, ubuntu worked for me... maybe your kernel lacks usb networking support? | 02:23 |
| t-tan | good night. bye! | 02:24 |
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| uhsf | DocScrutinizer: i already have cdc_ether because i use usb networking with my neo freerunner | 02:25 |
| uhsf | but g_ether gives FATAL: Error inserting g_ether (/lib/modules/2.6.32-ARCH/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_ether.ko): No such device | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhsf: so I'd say for N900 it's quite the same | 02:25 |
| maromader | uhsf, fellow FreeRunner owner, hi there :) | 02:25 |
| maromader | uhsf, ah, I remember | 02:26 |
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| maromader | uhsf, on n900: | 02:26 |
| maromader | ifconfig usb0 down | 02:26 |
| maromader | edit /etc/network/interface | 02:26 |
| uhsf | i found a new purpose for my neo freerunner yesterday | 02:26 |
| maromader | add network 192.168.2.0 and gateway 192.168.2.14 | 02:26 |
| maromader | ifup usb0 | 02:26 |
| maromader | uhsf, tell me | 02:27 |
| uhsf | my freerunner now serves as a step under my n900's kick stand so it's raised at the right angle | 02:27 |
| maromader | hehe, nice one :) | 02:27 |
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| maromader | anybody knows how to ask tracker nicely to reindex it's files? | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | maromader: check how init does it | 02:29 |
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| maromader | well, right now I have no idea, but something is changing even when I save the files from /home/user/MyDocs using tar. for example, autorun.inf is visible in the file manager (wasn't before repartitioning). any idea what changed? | 02:38 |
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| maromader | all video files, music, images are where they're expected in the file manager | 02:39 |
| maromader | but media player or image viewer don't pickup them (that means tracker doesn't) | 02:39 |
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| odin_ | where can I get Debian i386 ETCH from ? | 02:45 |
| maromader | archives.debian.org | 02:45 |
| maromader | tracker picks up new files... so maybe that's the timestamp issue? hmmm | 02:46 |
| odin_ | thanks but can't see Etch or Debian-4.0 in http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ (also I'm after ISOs or the netinstall ISO anyhow) | 02:47 |
| maromader | oh | 02:47 |
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| maromader | then perhaps it's still in oldstable | 02:48 |
| odin_ | thanks looking | 02:48 |
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| maromader | I'm going to sleep, good night | 02:50 |
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| jacekowski | does n900 have option to disable data in roaming? | 02:58 |
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| jebba | odin_: whatcha want etch for? | 03:05 |
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| odin_ | jebba, to install into VMWare player | 03:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yes. there's an applet to show a button on powerbuuton menu for that | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: and of course you have flightmode button there ootb | 03:26 |
| odin_ | found a mirror at http://mirror.leaseweb.com/debian-cdimage/archive/4.0_r8/i386/iso-cd/ | 03:26 |
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| jacekowski | how long does it take to unpack easydebian? | 03:39 |
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| uhsf | why n900 can only ping 192.168.2.15 and nothing else with usb cable? | 04:26 |
| uhsf | i followed the guide carefully but it fails to ping the outside world | 04:27 |
| uhsf | ifconfing usb0 gives the same output as in the guide except RX bytes:0 TX bytes:0 at the end | 04:28 |
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| uhsf | usb networking with neo freerunner works fine so why the n900 fails | 04:28 |
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| uhsf | i would be at the step: If you can not ping the outside world (for example: local network works but Google does not), check your routing tables. | 04:33 |
| uhsf | but it doesn't give indications about how to change routing tables | 04:33 |
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| uhsf | why the stupid wifi keeps connecting after i configured it not to do so | 04:37 |
| ds3 | is this an N800? | 04:38 |
| Ken-Young | uhsf, Well, USB networking on the Freerunner is the *only* form of networking on that platform which works reliably. | 04:39 |
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| luke-jr | uhsf: routing is unrelated to the device | 04:41 |
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| luke-jr | uhsf: nobody can tell you why your desktop PC's routing works with one device but not the other | 04:41 |
| luke-jr | at least not with so little information | 04:41 |
| ds3 | N800 + static IP shows the same symptoms for me with the at one point latest upgrade | 04:42 |
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| uhsf | nobody here ever connected a n900 via usb networking and could post his configuration? | 04:45 |
| uhsf | why is it so hard to connect a n900 via usb, i have everything to defaults my n900 is brand new | 04:46 |
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| uhsf | my freerunner works fine so obviously all networking modules are set in my workstation | 04:47 |
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| luke-jr | uhsf: USB networking works just like Ethernet or Wifi networking | 04:48 |
| luke-jr | uhsf: it connects System A to System B | 04:48 |
| uhsf | i couldn't follow the guide more carefully | 04:48 |
| luke-jr | if you want System B to bridge System A's link to another interface, you need to configure System B to do that | 04:48 |
| uhsf | i simply want to ssh to my n900 from my pc via usb | 04:50 |
| luke-jr | that should work fine | 04:50 |
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| uhsf | ifup usb0 on my n900 doesn't give any ouput | 04:51 |
| uhsf | so it should be fine | 04:51 |
| uhsf | then ifconfig usb0 gives the same output as in the guide | 04:51 |
| uhsf | i can ping 192.168.2.15 from my n900 | 04:52 |
| uhsf | but that's useless to self ping the n900 i don't know why the guide says to do this | 04:52 |
| uhsf | the problem is i can't ping the n900 from my pc | 04:52 |
| uhsf | or ping anything else from my n900 | 04:53 |
| luke-jr | uhsf: did you configure the interface on your PC? | 04:53 |
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| uhsf | the interface is in /etc/rc.conf | 04:54 |
| uhsf | where else should it be configured? | 04:54 |
| luke-jr | totally OS dependent | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | uhsf: ping6 FF02:0:0:0:0:0:0:1%usb0 | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | uhsf: pastebin the output | 04:56 |
| uhsf | from my pc or n900? | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | either | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | I imagine it's easier to type on PC | 04:57 |
| uhsf | socket: Address family not supported by protocol | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | uhsf: computer fail :p | 04:59 |
| luke-jr | modprobe ipv6 | 04:59 |
| uhsf | why ipv6? | 05:00 |
| luke-jr | because it works sanely? :p | 05:01 |
| uhsf | i don't need ipv6 yet | 05:01 |
| luke-jr | assuming N900 has it setup >.> | 05:01 |
| luke-jr | uhsf: everyone needs IPv6 | 05:01 |
| luke-jr | and it's the easiest way to do a p2p link like you want | 05:01 |
| uhsf | i don't want to mess my whole system networking just to solve this problem | 05:02 |
| uhsf | i'll switch to ipv6 when my isp does | 05:02 |
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| luke-jr | it won't mess anything | 05:04 |
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| uhsf | ok i think i got it | 05:19 |
| uhsf | ty, luke-jr for leading me in the right direction | 05:19 |
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| dracflamloc | just gt my n900, so just been playing with it for the past 6 hours =p | 07:52 |
| pronto | dracflamloc: becareful, the micro usb port on it is very weak | 07:53 |
| dracflamloc | yea i know. | 07:53 |
| dracflamloc | kinda scares me | 07:53 |
| pronto | mine broke | 07:53 |
| pronto | x.x | 07:53 |
| pronto | http://www.reddit.com/r/n900/comments/axedg/warning_the_mirco_usb_port_on_the_n900_breaks/ << | 07:53 |
| dracflamloc | damn | 07:53 |
| pronto | treat that port like a newborn baby , born only hours ago | 07:54 |
| dracflamloc | lol, yea im trying | 07:54 |
| pronto | and if you wnat to file down the hooks of doom on the charger | 07:54 |
| pronto | or get a diffent one wiht out hooks of doom x.x | 07:55 |
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| jebba | mine broke too | 08:09 |
| microlith | man, people must be seriously harsh on their micro-usb ports | 08:09 |
| jebba | it was a new unit | 08:09 |
| microlith | weird | 08:10 |
| pronto | microlith: not really | 08:10 |
| microlith | that sounds like there's an issue when soldering down the connector | 08:10 |
| pronto | the n900 port is very weak | 08:10 |
| villager | my micro-usb port hasn't broken yet... | 08:16 |
| villager | and I haven't been that careful | 08:16 |
| pronto | well mabye you should | 08:16 |
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| rm_you | yeah mine broke yesterday | 08:31 |
| rm_you | sucks | 08:32 |
| rm_you | no indication of problem at all, then yesterday intermittant charging, looking at the port it looked a bit angled, then this morning it popped out | 08:32 |
| rm_you | T_T | 08:32 |
| * luke-jr is glad he didn't buy a N900 | 08:33 | |
| luke-jr | <.< | 08:33 |
| RST38h | oh | 08:33 |
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| rm_you | yeah gonna wait on buying one until i know they fixed the problem | 08:33 |
| rm_you | don't want another to break within 6 months | 08:34 |
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| rm_you | or even less | 08:34 |
| rm_you | that or a nexus one, but GA says he'll come kick my ass if i buy one of those :P | 08:34 |
| RST38h | google will protect you from him | 08:36 |
| rm_you | lol | 08:36 |
| RST38h | they will sense ninjas in black helicopters etc | 08:36 |
| RST38h | send | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | rm_you: get a Nexus Two then? | 08:37 |
| rm_you | :P | 08:37 |
| rm_you | i wish the nexus had a keyboard | 08:37 |
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| luke-jr | I hear N2 will | 08:37 |
| rm_you | lol, just gotta hold out then, eh? | 08:37 |
| rm_you | what about n910? :P | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | I'm holding out for the LG Apollo or something similar | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | 1 GB *real* RAM | 08:38 |
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| rm_you | lol | 08:38 |
| luke-jr | 1.3 GHz | 08:38 |
| rm_you | gah, gotta run T_T | 08:38 |
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| luke-jr | or maybe I'll build something custom if I can get ahold of a board with that dual 1.5 GHz Snapdragon <.< | 08:38 |
| microlith | have fun with that (and the case you'll be hauling it around in) | 08:39 |
| luke-jr | microlith: who needs a case? :P | 08:39 |
| microlith | I know, I like hauling around bare PCBs too | 08:39 |
| luke-jr | hehe | 08:39 |
| luke-jr | I'd probably just sew some fabric around it or something | 08:39 |
| RST38h | "National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair told representatives that American citizens can be assassinated by the US government when they are oveseas" | 08:39 |
| luke-jr | the hard part will be finding a keyboard I like | 08:40 |
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| luke-jr | maybe I can dissect my C760 for parts | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | not sure it's useful for anything else now | 08:40 |
| RST38h | just buy a phone. | 08:41 |
| microlith | undocumented hardware is a riot to dissect | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | microlith: even keyboards? | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: I would if I could find one I was happy with :/ | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | but once I get past 2 requirements, nobody makes it -.- | 08:42 |
| luke-jr | usually RAM is a big limiting factor | 08:42 |
| microlith | the real world is just now catching up with luke-jr's requirements | 08:43 |
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| microlith | hell samsung's still in sample phase on all of its 1GByte OneNAND devices | 08:45 |
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| RST38h | luke: HD2-like HTC phone with Android is apparently coming | 08:47 |
| RST38h | It should do the trick | 08:47 |
| RST38h | Or buy an N900 already | 08:47 |
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| luke-jr | RST38h: minus the keyboard :P | 09:10 |
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| RST38h | luke: N900 then | 09:15 |
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| luke-jr | RST38h: my requirements for RAM are up to 500 MB now :P | 09:30 |
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| luke-jr | and why would I get a N900 now after I've been hearing all these complaints in here? XD | 09:30 |
| MistaED | it works for me *shrugs* | 09:33 |
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| lpotter | works for me too | 09:35 |
| RST38h | luke: what do you do with RAM? =) | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: run KDE 4 | 09:36 |
| * RST38h facepalms | 09:36 | |
| luke-jr | XD | 09:36 |
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| RST38h | well, people always complain, that is natural | 09:36 |
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| zetheroo | I have an N800 and the screen is flickering ... do I need to replace the screen? | 09:42 |
| luke-jr | zetheroo: too little data | 09:44 |
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| luke-jr | I know that my N810's screen will always flicker with my experimental 2.6.32 kernel | 09:44 |
| zetheroo | the screen starts jittering after being on for an hour or so .. sometimes it does it as soon as its powered on | 09:44 |
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| zetheroo | just wondering if its a hardware of software issue .. | 09:46 |
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| ShadowJK | other people with n800 have reported jitter/scrolling too | 09:51 |
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| RST38h | It happens at the end. | 10:02 |
| RST38h | Before your N800 dies. | 10:02 |
| RST38h | Start funeral preparations now. | 10:02 |
| luke-jr | ... | 10:02 |
| * Stskeeps cries over his n800 | 10:04 | |
| zetheroo | pretty short lifetime | 10:05 |
| zetheroo | paid just over 300 bucks for this thing and about a year into its life it's already "at the end"!? | 10:07 |
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| shamus | wekk yah have to rember even if you baughit it "new" it's still old | 10:22 |
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| luke-jr | zetheroo: what? | 10:26 |
| luke-jr | I bought my N810 a year ago and it was only $200 | 10:26 |
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| luke-jr | why on earth would you have paid $300 for a N800?? | 10:27 |
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| zetheroo | I bought my N800 about 18 months ago ... but its been doing this for the past 5-6 months ... | 10:28 |
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| Xisdibik | luke-jr: have you tested out the freeciv on the n900 at all? | 10:35 |
| luke-jr | Xisdibik: will do so as soon as someone buys me a N900 | 10:36 |
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| Xisdibik | I sent you one months ago! | 10:36 |
| Xisdibik | musta got lost in the mail :/ | 10:36 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 10:37 |
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| Xisdibik | has anyone tried out the freeciv game on the n900? | 10:37 |
| tank-man | why do you ask? | 10:38 |
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| zetheroo | should I switch it back to the original version of Maemo? | 10:39 |
| zetheroo | would that make any diff? | 10:39 |
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| Xisdibik | tank-man: wondering how it looks on such a small screen and how nice it runs | 10:40 |
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| zetheroo | I really liked the N800 ... possibly as much as the N810 ... or a bit more | 10:41 |
| zetheroo | :( | 10:41 |
| zetheroo | has anyone here been using their Nokia tablet without a screen protector? | 10:42 |
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| zetheroo | I am just wondering if the screen will get all scratched up without one!? | 10:43 |
| ifreq | zetheroo: it may.. or not. | 10:43 |
| Xisdibik | I am using my n900 without a screen protector | 10:43 |
| Xisdibik | and its been fine sofar | 10:43 |
| zetheroo | I tried replacing the original screen protector but its not nice as there are bits of dust etc under it | 10:43 |
| ifreq | it really handles how you handle em.. do you keep your phone in same pocket as keys etc.. | 10:44 |
| zetheroo | ifreq: oh no ... never .. I am talking about using the stylus mainly | 10:44 |
| zetheroo | will the stylus scratch the screen? | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | depends if you sharpen it | 10:45 |
| zetheroo | ha | 10:45 |
| Xisdibik | doubt it, unless you were trying to scratch it | 10:45 |
| zetheroo | FUNNY!!! | 10:45 |
| ifreq | zetheroo: it wont, its not sharp. | 10:45 |
| zetheroo | well i just noticed that the screen protectors get all scratched from the stylus | 10:45 |
| zetheroo | with lines all over the place etc.. | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | but i enjoyed having a scrprotector on my older tablets | 10:46 |
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| luke-jr | O.O | 10:46 |
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| luke-jr | now even Facebook is trying to sell me a N900 | 10:46 |
| Xisdibik | just buy it luke-jr | 10:47 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 10:47 |
| luke-jr | too small, not enough RAM, etc etc | 10:47 |
| ifreq | so you dont have money to buy it? | 10:47 |
| * Xisdibik erases luke-jr's memory | 10:47 | |
| ifreq | *g* | 10:47 |
| Xisdibik | go buy a n900 | 10:47 |
| zetheroo | whats the n900 have over the n810? | 10:47 |
| flux | gaah, now even irc is trying to sell you n900 ;) | 10:47 |
| Xisdibik | it fits in your pocket without girls thinkin ur a perv | 10:48 |
| luke-jr | ifreq: I spent $800 on my first handheld. I'd do it again if something could compare on a modern level. ;P | 10:48 |
| luke-jr | zetheroo: GSM? | 10:48 |
| shamus | n900 is like two years newere has a 3d chip and gsm | 10:48 |
| luke-jr | shamus: the N900's 3D is builtin to the main chip just like the N8x0's was :P | 10:48 |
| zetheroo | gsm ... meaning I can make/receive mobile phone calls | 10:49 |
| zetheroo | ? | 10:49 |
| luke-jr | zetheroo: also, N8x0 had even LESS RAM | 10:49 |
| luke-jr | zetheroo: yes | 10:49 |
| Xisdibik | luke-jr: im a pretty picky phone user, and the n900 literally is the best phone ive ever had | 10:49 |
| zetheroo | nice | 10:49 |
| zetheroo | what the best price out there for one of them? | 10:49 |
| luke-jr | Xisdibik: no doubt. N900 can make a pretty nice phone. But I don't want a phone. | 10:49 |
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| Xisdibik | US or europe? | 10:49 |
| Xisdibik | luke-jr: yes you do, i know what you want :), you dont | 10:50 |
| luke-jr | Xisdibik: I want a handheld computer. if it can bridge my bluetooth headset to phone calls, that's an added bonus. | 10:50 |
| Xisdibik | anyone without a n900 clearly doesnt know what they want, or doesnt have their priorities straight :P | 10:50 |
| shamus | then again the reasion i would not get a n900 is it lacks the one gms 3g band i need to get 3g speeds on that one network | 10:50 |
| luke-jr | Xisdibik: anyhow, under 4" screen is a no-go :P | 10:50 |
| Xisdibik | :P | 10:51 |
| Xisdibik | get a 7" LCD, and use TVout? :p | 10:51 |
| luke-jr | that's too big to be a handheld | 10:51 |
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| Xisdibik | 4.5" then :P | 10:51 |
| luke-jr | sure | 10:51 |
| ifreq | buy some legos | 10:51 |
| luke-jr | if that were the only requirement of mine N900 didn't meet, I might consider that | 10:52 |
| luke-jr | but it isn't :P | 10:52 |
| Xisdibik | get an ipad? :p | 10:52 |
| Xisdibik | lol jokin | 10:52 |
| luke-jr | .... | 10:53 |
| ifreq | buy zaurus | 10:53 |
| luke-jr | rather N900 than an iPad | 10:53 |
| Xisdibik | ditto | 10:53 |
| luke-jr | ifreq: have one, that's what I'm looking to replace | 10:53 |
| shamus | ditto | 10:53 |
| luke-jr | 64 MB RAM doesn't cut it anymore :p | 10:53 |
| Xisdibik | ipad looks fail | 10:53 |
| Xisdibik | 64GB* | 10:53 |
| Xisdibik | oh | 10:53 |
| Xisdibik | wait | 10:53 |
| Xisdibik | ram | 10:53 |
| luke-jr | Zaurus = 64 MB RAM | 10:53 |
| luke-jr | also, its battery is fail | 10:53 |
| Xisdibik | ipads 16GB - 64GB of space is fail | 10:53 |
| luke-jr | no literally | 10:54 |
| luke-jr | my Z's battery lasts about 5 minutes now | 10:54 |
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| zetheroo | the n900 seems very similar to the n97 | 10:56 |
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| zetheroo | luke-jr, there are SO many things i would rather have than an iPad :P | 10:57 |
| luke-jr | except the N97 is designed to be a phone | 10:57 |
| luke-jr | and the N900 is (supposedly) designed to be a handheld | 10:57 |
| ifreq | luke-jr: what about this: http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/fujitsu-lifebook-u810/4505-3121_7-32600944.html | 10:58 |
| ifreq | been lookin it myself for a while | 10:58 |
| tank-man | im waiting for ipad knock offs for $100 :) | 10:58 |
| zetheroo | luke-jr: but even the N97 has a slide out keyboard and 32GB storage ... | 10:58 |
| zetheroo | tank-man; i am waiting for the Lenovo U1 Hybrid :) | 10:58 |
| luke-jr | tank-man: they're $300 at the moment, and 2 years old | 10:59 |
| tank-man | what is it a hybrid of? | 10:59 |
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| luke-jr | ifreq: looks just a little too big | 11:00 |
| zetheroo | tank-man: tablet/notebook | 11:00 |
| zetheroo | tank-man: tablet runs Linux and the notebook runs Windows 7 ... | 11:00 |
| zetheroo | well i would definitely have a N900 over an iPad ... no question about that | 11:01 |
| tank-man | sounds expensive | 11:01 |
| ifreq | luke-jr: then youre out of options | 11:01 |
| zetheroo | tank-man: actually its going to be available for under $1000 | 11:02 |
| zetheroo | :) | 11:02 |
| luke-jr | ifreq: for the moment, perhaps :) | 11:02 |
| luke-jr | ifreq: I'm somewhat patient. | 11:02 |
| zetheroo | I hope my N810 screen last a bit longer than the N800 did ... :( | 11:03 |
| zetheroo | seems like a great many people have been having this issue with the N800 ... strangely no word from Nokia on the subject ... | 11:04 |
| zetheroo | I am using maemo OS2008 on my N810 ... is that the latest and greatetst? | 11:05 |
| zetheroo | greatest ... | 11:05 |
| shamus | how is mer progressing? | 11:06 |
| Nitial | hmm, trying to install mad-developer package to tryout madde, but it says the install file is corrupted.. | 11:07 |
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| shamus | dilblo(os2008) is the last os for the n8X0 that nokia released | 11:07 |
| zetheroo | and what is Maemo 5? can i put that on my N810? | 11:08 |
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| ifreq | no | 11:09 |
| shamus | maemo 5 is n900 only :-( | 11:09 |
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| zetheroo | so there are no more worlds to conquer .. :P | 11:10 |
| luke-jr | zetheroo: Nokia stopped supporting N8x0 in 2008 | 11:10 |
| zetheroo | ahh .. I see | 11:11 |
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| shamus | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 11:11 |
| vanadismobile | hai thar | 11:12 |
| luke-jr | Mer is trying to put the pieces together to update N8x0 a little longer, but most probably it won't ever get on par | 11:12 |
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| shamus | yah | 11:12 |
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| Flyser | Can I somehow "let the n900 believe" that it has internet connection? I set up USB networking, but the app manager wont even try to download an application, but asks me to connect to some wifi ... | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | lol at people showing off how they've spent on technology | 11:14 |
| crashanddie | s/how/how much/ | 11:14 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: lol at people show muching off how they've spent on technology | 11:14 |
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| zetheroo | hmmm ... is there a flasher for 64bit Linux? (Ubuntu) | 11:16 |
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| woglinde | zethero it should run with ia32-libs | 11:16 |
| zetheroo | that in the repos ... ? | 11:17 |
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| MOUD | hey all | 11:18 |
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| Flyser | Different question: Is there a workaround to connect to 802.1x wifi networks? (WPA-EAP, TKIP, TTLS) | 11:18 |
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| zetheroo | woglinde: checked and have that installed already | 11:19 |
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| MOUD | when i try to run a .flv file i get an error about media format not supported. the problem is that after i get this error, no audio or video works so i have to restart my phone. How can i fix it? | 11:20 |
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| MOUD | anyone? | 11:26 |
| shamus | have you checked the bug report page? | 11:26 |
| RurouniJones | Anyone tried to run Mnemosyne on their N900 yet? | 11:27 |
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| MOUD | not really | 11:27 |
| MOUD | checking | 11:27 |
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| zetheroo | anyone here play Vultures Eye? | 11:33 |
| zetheroo | is it any good? | 11:33 |
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| zetheroo | I am using OMWeather applet but for some reason its not showing any weather info on the screen ... everything is n/a ... but when i go into the settings i can see the info | 11:40 |
| johnq | I'd like to improve http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format . Can someone tell me the exact description of the "Version" entry in the .desktop file? | 11:40 |
| Corsac | hmhm, will the Elena talk on maemo security be streamed? | 11:40 |
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| woglinde | corsac dont know | 11:42 |
| johnq | ok, it seems that it is already specified by the freeedesktop standard, thank you nevertheless ;-) | 11:44 |
| johnq | ok, it's not absolutely clear | 11:45 |
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| johnq | The freedesktop description ( http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s05.html ) says that this value is supposed to denote the version of the .desktop file specification used, i.e. "1.0". Nevertheless many applications on my file use "0.1". Is this a maemo speciality or simply wrong? | 11:47 |
| Dantonic | hi | 11:52 |
| Dantonic | hey anyone know anything about aotuv? | 11:52 |
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| frals | wow, 802.11n at helsinki airport :> | 13:00 |
| fragment | what did you expect then..?;) | 13:01 |
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| kuriiri | frals: what, it also works? :) | 13:02 |
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| kuriiri | first time for everything :D | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | they put the n in helsinki for a reason! | 13:03 |
| fragment | yes. otherwise it would be helsib/gki or even helsiki | 13:03 |
| kuriiri | or helsicki | 13:04 |
| frals | coming from arlanda airport in stockholm where i pretty much had to use my 3g it was a bit of a surprise | 13:04 |
| frals | just need to find a power outlet now :P | 13:04 |
| `0660 | frals, is it free? :o | 13:05 |
| frals | yeah | 13:05 |
| `0660 | nice! | 13:05 |
| frals | im curious about the "N900testi" network i find as well... :P | 13:05 |
| kuriiri | frals: are you leaving? | 13:05 |
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| kuriiri | or coming :D | 13:05 |
| frals | leaving | 13:06 |
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| kuriiri | frals: there should be some right to the big windows near gates 28-29 | 13:06 |
| kuriiri | behind the shops =) | 13:06 |
| fragment | I set up a repo and .install file for my demo(s).. could someone try it out? http://download.hedelmae.fi/daydream.install | 13:07 |
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| frals | kuriiri: cheers, ill have a look there, stsill 50% to go on the laptop so should be good for another 2 hrs :) | 13:09 |
| wazd | heya all | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | heyawazd | 13:09 |
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| kuriiri | frals: at what time is your flight? | 13:10 |
| frals | 1655 :D | 13:11 |
| kuriiri | :D | 13:11 |
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| frals | checked out of the hotel at 12 and well, helsinki in the winter isnt too exciting ;) | 13:12 |
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| fragment | frals: are you at the oak barrel?;) | 13:15 |
| kuriiri | haha.. if not, you should! | 13:15 |
| fragment | indeed | 13:15 |
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| frals | lol the oak barrel is actually right behind me | 13:18 |
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| orodent | ?DCC SEND "diaper_jesus" 0 0 0 | 13:45 |
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| fragment | ok | 13:46 |
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| trem | crashanddie: I've found a solution to my dns problem | 13:46 |
| crashanddie | trem: oh? | 13:46 |
| trem | crashanddie: instead of using my box as DNS, I've used orange dns | 13:46 |
| bleeter | for those who ain't seen it, duke nukem 3d on n900 with wiimote http://bit.ly/asrNBV :) | 13:48 |
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| crashanddie | trem: interesting | 13:52 |
| crashanddie | bleeter: the word you were looking for was "haven't" | 13:52 |
| trem | crashanddie: but I don't understand why .... | 13:52 |
| bleeter | crashanddie: you say tomato, I say tomato :P | 13:52 |
| crashanddie | bleeter: pronouncing a word differently is quite a long way from using a non-existent word altogether | 13:53 |
| bleeter | crashanddie: quite happily take you around the local suburbs here and let you listen to the use of this 'non-existent' word | 13:54 |
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| crashanddie | bleeter: you're not in the burbs here, dawg | 13:55 |
| felipec | bleeter? I didn't know you were a maemo user | 13:56 |
| bleeter | crashanddie: I believe the word you were looking for was 'bloke' | 13:56 |
| bleeter | felipec: waiting local release sometime next month, just idling atm | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | bleeter: I've never used the word bloke, and neither has anyone in the UK in the past 40 years | 13:57 |
| bleeter | felipec: getting my head 'round some of the ... quaintness that's the nokia distribution channels | 13:57 |
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| bleeter | crashanddie: luckily for you, I'm not in the UK otherwise I'd be inclined to respect your dialect | 13:58 |
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| DENZEL_FOXX | ?DCC SEND "ff???f?" 0 0 0 | 13:58 |
| DENZEL_FOXX | ?DCC SEND "ff???f?" 0 0 0 | 13:58 |
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| Caesium | some new exploit doing the rounds/ | 13:58 |
| bleeter | joy | 13:59 |
| crashanddie | wth? | 13:59 |
| bleeter | have they moved to their new IRC yet? | 13:59 |
| crashanddie | yes | 13:59 |
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| Corsac | python-all-dev: Depends: python-all (= 2.5.2-3maemo1) but 2.5.2-3maemo3 is to be installed | 13:59 |
| Corsac | did someone experienced this in sdk? | 13:59 |
| Corsac | (it's an old sdk install upgraded through apt-get) | 14:00 |
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| crashanddie | please do highlight me if there's another issue as with DENZEL_FOXX | 14:01 |
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| crashanddie | also, if someone is unable to talk because of the ban on unregistered users, same thing, I'll take it down | 14:01 |
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| bleeter | staff member told me it just happened in #freenode, too hehe | 14:02 |
| jaska | that dcc exploit is pretty old | 14:02 |
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| bleeter | yar someone's saying old mirc, or old router tricks | 14:04 |
| jaska | well, also some old windows av, if you add the start.keylogger part (minus the .) | 14:04 |
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| TRC | any good download manger for maemo 5 ? | 14:05 |
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| TRC | hello, | 14:05 |
| TRC | or some port of axel ? | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose suggesting wget isn't helpful | 14:06 |
| jaska | axel is somewhat like a parallel wget so | 14:06 |
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| MOUD | Hey again | 14:07 |
| TRC | jaska : well yes, but like 10 times faster. :) | 14:07 |
| MOUD | is it possible to use VLC by compiling the source code? If so, how can I do it? | 14:07 |
| jaska | depends on the connection and the server :) | 14:07 |
| bleeter | felipec: btw, OHAI ;) happy new year :) | 14:08 |
| TRC | jaska : correct, and the route to that server. yet having more than one connection to that server makes your download a lot faster | 14:08 |
| TRC | im sure you know that jaska :) | 14:08 |
| TRC | so, there isnt any dowload manger for n900 ? | 14:09 |
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| felipec | bleeter: happy new year :) | 14:09 |
| bleeter | I rate limit people who have more than one connection to the same file on my machines | 14:09 |
| felipec | any interesting projects for the N900? | 14:09 |
| TRC | wait, can transmission handle http ? | 14:10 |
| jaska | trc: when i said connection i meant all the way :) | 14:10 |
| simoneb_ | how do i launch an application from the command line (or from another app)? dbus-launch? | 14:10 |
| bleeter | felipec: none that I could tell you about without having to kill you later ;) | 14:10 |
| felipec | bleeter: eww, closed source? | 14:11 |
| andres | 0day | 14:11 |
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| simoneb_ | or is run-standalone.sh <application here> enough? | 14:12 |
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| sky-g | screw closed source n900 projects :) | 14:12 |
| sky-g | unless youre making something really unique... | 14:13 |
| sky-g | I dont get all the people doing tiny bad implementations on maemo and not inviting others to improve | 14:15 |
| TRC | btw, i just noticed that /var/www is called wwwPHP | 14:15 |
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| bleeter | given n900's a leapfrog device to maemo6, yes I'd agree by and large closed source projects for a small team would be fairly fruitless | 14:16 |
| TRC | is the because the lighttpd package comes with php support? | 14:16 |
| TRC | that* | 14:16 |
| sky-g | if youre doing a big commercial grade app thats fine but a lot of times people realase closed stuff thats nothing special imho | 14:16 |
| Corsac | are there some specific lintian test for maemo? | 14:18 |
| bleeter | sky-g: I'd argue there's still no killer mobile app been created yet, either closed or open | 14:18 |
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| sky-g | would be better to invite others to improve but everyone's trying to appear cool and unique or something. specially true for tiny hacks... why closed | 14:18 |
| sky-g | bleeter I agree | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | bleeter: angry birds! | 14:20 |
| bleeter | sky-g: 4sq *might* be it, dunno | 14:20 |
| bleeter | SpeedEvil: ? | 14:20 |
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| sky-g | :) haven't tried yet. everyone's buzzing about it | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | bleeter: angry birds is a very simple game. | 14:21 |
| Corsac | ./scratchbox/tools/bin/ wtf | 14:21 |
| sky-g | angry birds i mean. | 14:21 |
| TRC | guys, does the lighttpd package come with php support ? | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Depends what the closed source project is. | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: yes wtf | 14:21 |
| Corsac | hey Stskeeps | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - I'd be quite happy to buy a nice closed-source OCR package. | 14:22 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: that stuff looks familiar? | 14:22 |
| TRC | and one more thing, did anyone manage to get libgarmin working with navit ? | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Where nice = ~what came with my scanner as a freebie in 1996 | 14:22 |
| Corsac | I just tried to build a package inside scratchbox | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: sadly | 14:22 |
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| Corsac | how do I fix that? :) | 14:22 |
| bleeter | SpeedEvil, sky-g: Not available for N97 :( | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: what about it? | 14:22 |
| Corsac | ? | 14:22 |
| Corsac | I just tried to build a python package using dpkg-buildpackage inside scratchbox | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Or a closed source speech recognition package | 14:23 |
| Corsac | (source package taken from debian) | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | need to divert python then prolly | 14:23 |
| sky-g | n97 whats that? ;) ;) | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | What would you pay for a nice package that voice-recognised and indexed all your inbound and outbound calls and enabled you to search on text for example. | 14:24 |
| Corsac | to divert python?? | 14:24 |
| Corsac | it's just a python application | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:24 |
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| bleeter | sky-g: it's what Aussies own whilst waiting for the March release of n900 'coz they want local warranty support ;) | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | full context please | 14:24 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: I took a python package (python-scapy) from debian, and tried to build it inside scratchbox to then upload it to extras | 14:24 |
| bleeter | SpeedEvil: depends if the voice recognition replaced cursing with #### like Google does ;) | 14:24 |
| sky-g | SpeedEvil: whats the usecase? googling stuff you talk about on the phone? never occurred to me... | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: ok, pastebin of error? | 14:26 |
| sky-g | G voice search is useful though | 14:26 |
| Corsac | I don't think there's any error in the build, it's just that stuff are installed to /scratchbox/tools instead of /usr/bin | 14:26 |
| ShadowJK | why the hell would google censor like that | 14:26 |
| sky-g | works wonders on the iphone | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: it is :/ | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: point to native python using PATH.. there should be info somewhere on this | 14:27 |
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| sky-g | uh logging off xchat now. gotta | 14:29 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: http://paste.debian.net/58903/ | 14:29 |
| sky-g | oops. gotta go work on setting up new build machine and do something useful insteadof coomplaining | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: need to adjust PATH in packaging | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | to look in /usr/bin first | 14:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | sky-g: Finding when someone spoke about x to you. | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Or who you spoke to about x | 14:32 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: ok, yet another broken stuff then | 14:32 |
| Corsac | sighs | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Or for voicemail - the incoming voicemail showing up as a banner of text on screen | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: scratchbox joy | 14:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh | 14:33 |
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| Corsac | how comes that many tools and process end up being crippled when touching maemo stuff? | 14:34 |
| Corsac | optify, scratchbox, etc. | 14:35 |
| Corsac | it puzzles me a little | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | mobile devices vs big servers | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | For a server - number of libs resident in RAM matters not at all | 14:35 |
| Corsac | I don't buy it | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | For a mobile device - an extra percent of RAM use is not unimportant | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | As it probably doesn't have 80% free after boot | 14:36 |
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| Corsac | what ram has to do with scratchbox or optification? | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | nothing. | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | However s/RAM/root disk/ for opt | 14:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | and s/RAM/ARM cpu/ for the other | 14:37 |
| Corsac | still, opt is just a bad workaround | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 14:38 |
| Corsac | people at emdebian work on that sort of stuff too, but it seems their experience has not really be used :) | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | The right solution is not completely trivial. | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | In that you want flashing to get the device to a sane state always - with a relatively small flash image. | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Without wiping all the users stuff. | 14:39 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: http://dz015.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/packaging-a-python-program-for-maemo/ | 14:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - come up with a nice simple solution - and patches to common tools to implement it - and you will be hailed as a hero! | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Or ignored. | 14:44 |
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| TRC | hello, | 14:50 |
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| TRC | if theres an arm package of a cli application at http://packages.debian.org would they work ? | 14:50 |
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| TRC | lets say the package is standalone, no deps. | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | there are different architectures of arm | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | but in principle - maybe | 14:51 |
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| TRC | i just read something about easy debian | 14:52 |
| TRC | this would allowe me to use such an application for sure correct? | 14:52 |
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| TRC | i mean , if it can run something like openoffice , why couldnt it run a light application like axel. | 14:52 |
| TRC | allow* | 14:53 |
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| TRC | SpeedEvil : so can easy debian, run such cli applications from the package by debian? | 14:55 |
| TRC | not installing them using apt onto maemo directly, but using easy debian. | 14:56 |
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| RevdKathy | hi all | 14:58 |
| RevdKathy | need some help! | 14:58 |
| crashanddie_ | TRC: nobody ever said openoffice was supported | 14:58 |
| crashanddie_ | hey RevdKathy, how's it going? | 14:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | TRC: not tried it | 14:58 |
| RevdKathy | Big sister's pc has a nasty case of Windows Protection suite | 14:59 |
| RevdKathy | Hi Seb | 14:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | In principle - in a chroot - anything should be able to run that can run on the architecture and doesn't have conflicting requirements | 14:59 |
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| RevdKathy | anyone any experience wv hat? | 14:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Or too large a RAM footprint | 14:59 |
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| RevdKathy | my day went west till I can fix it | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | RevdKathy: how do you know my name? | 15:01 |
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| RevdKathy | sorry - is it not appopriate to use it? am on n900 and your username is long to type! | 15:01 |
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| crashanddie | not the question, just asking how you know it | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | anyway, what's the issue with Windows Protection? | 15:02 |
| RevdKathy | you have been addressed as such on tmo | 15:02 |
| RevdKathy | you have been addressed as such on tmo | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | damn you lcuk | 15:02 |
| RevdKathy | it's malware and it screws the drivers folder | 15:02 |
| RevdKathy | LOL | 15:02 |
| RevdKathy | is lcuk here? | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | aye | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | well, he's online, if he's here is another story | 15:02 |
| RevdKathy | though he was at FOSDEM | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | s/if/whether/ | 15:03 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: well, he's online, whether he's here is another story | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | RevdKathy: I guess you've gone through the usuals, spybot s&d etc? | 15:03 |
| RevdKathy | yeah - was hoping one of them would fix | 15:03 |
| RevdKathy | spybot is beaten - can't make the nec changes | 15:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: big master of xchat mods, how about less crome to shrink the input textfield (almost 2 lines hight now), removing the dangerous chantab close [X}, and ##make scrollbutton hotarea MUUUCH LARGER## ? Earn further eternal merits :-) | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: I don't need round corners in input textfield ;-). And a separate fontsize for nick selector/display also came in handy | 15:15 |
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| TRC | please have a look at the reply to this post http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=39430&highlight=php | 15:31 |
| TRC | this guy is talking about something called scratchbox, what is it exactly -- where can i get it ? | 15:32 |
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| frals | loving how the free wlan at helsinki airport is kinda in the centre, and i found a power outlet by my gate, but only wlan up there was some shit that was 5€ per hr | 15:34 |
| TRC | this http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/0.9.8/contrib/ is what he's talking about ? | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | maemo sdk, trc | 15:36 |
| Corsac | is there some kind of ACK when uploading a package to extras-devel? | 15:37 |
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| TRC | Stskeeps : is it really as simple as this guys puts it ? i compile stuff using my desktop using the maemo sdk and then copy the binaries to the device ? | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | right | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: extras-cauldron | 15:39 |
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| ndnihil | ? linux | 15:42 |
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| pupnik | huhu | 15:45 |
| pupnik | missed most of the council talk | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | TRC: answer: yes | 15:48 |
| trem | crashanddie: you're a maemo contributor ? | 15:51 |
| TRC | the damn virtual machine is 2gb! | 15:52 |
| TRC | and my connection is of a damn 256kbps speed! | 15:52 |
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| Corsac | is someone at Elena's talk? | 15:54 |
| TRC | crashanddie : i got axel from packages.debian.org and extracted the deb file and tried to run the binary file - it keeps telling me no permission | 15:55 |
| TRC | any idea why this is happening ? | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | TRC: where did you unzip it? | 15:55 |
| SpeedEvil | on mydocs? | 15:55 |
| TRC | i did chmod +x but it keeps giving the same error | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | yeah, the fat partition has noexec as mount flag | 15:55 |
| TRC | crashanddie : /home/user/MyDocs/Downloads | 15:56 |
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| TRC | btw should i get the arml packages or the arm ones ? | 15:57 |
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| TRC | crashanddie : and how is that fixed ? | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | TRC: move the directory to /usr ? | 15:58 |
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| TRC | interesting. | 15:58 |
| TRC | will do, brb | 15:58 |
| zerojay | Ad2p works with the N900, right? | 15:59 |
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| crashanddie | zerojay: as far as I'm aware, ya | 16:00 |
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| pupnik | wifi range is average | 16:00 |
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| zerojay | Thinking about picking up the Motorola S9 for bluetooth headphones. | 16:02 |
| vanadismobile | how do i copypaste on n900? | 16:02 |
| * Stskeeps tries to come up with a proper maemo.org related abstract | 16:03 | |
| crashanddie | ctrl c, ctrl v | 16:03 |
| vanadismobile | ah okay | 16:03 |
| vanadismobile | lol | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | vanadismobile: who would've thought, eh? | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: that statement was random | 16:04 |
| TRC | back! | 16:05 |
| TRC | crashanddie: that didnt work! :D | 16:05 |
| TRC | moved the config file to etc and axel to /user/bin | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | djeezus | 16:06 |
| TRC | crashanddie : yes, go on.. | 16:06 |
| realitygaps | my usb port just fell out :( | 16:07 |
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| TRC | crashanddie : isnt this what you told me to do ? | 16:08 |
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| crashanddie | TRC: did you chmod +x? | 16:08 |
| TRC | yes i did | 16:08 |
| TRC | its telling me not found! | 16:08 |
| TRC | but i moved it to /usr/bin | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | ... | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | can someone else takeover? | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | I'm not in noob-mood tonight | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: do your job | 16:09 |
| TRC | crashanddie : seems like your out of solutions to me. | 16:10 |
| TRC | did as you said, it just didnt work! :D | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | no, you're an idiot | 16:10 |
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| crashanddie | if it says "not found", it means you messed up in the directories, or copies | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | now, a normal person would be smart enough to realise that | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | instead of blaming the one who's helping him | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | hence, all proving my initial point: you're an idiot | 16:11 |
| TRC | first, respect yourself. | 16:11 |
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| TRC | 2nd ls shows the damn file | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | what is the first line of the file? | 16:12 |
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| TRC | its not a config file, stskeeps its binary. | 16:13 |
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| crashanddie | TRC: not necessarily, it can be text file, and the first line indicates what parser should be used | 16:14 |
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| jacekowski | does N900 support BT keyboards? | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | TRC: for example, #!/bin/bash could be the first line, and if /bin/bash doesn't exist, you could get a "file not found" error message | 16:14 |
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| Stskeeps | check its a armel binary using 'file'. | 16:15 |
| jacekowski | thats called shebang | 16:15 |
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| jacekowski | and you can get file not found if its using different runtime linker | 16:16 |
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| jacekowski | which is very likely because maemo iirc uses uclibc | 16:16 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, sorry, bad weekend for me. | 16:19 |
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| lopz | hi ;) | 16:39 |
| siriusnova | hi | 16:39 |
| pupnik | wats nu | 16:39 |
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| alterego | Can we not browse bluetooth devices in the file browser anymore? :( | 16:46 |
| andre900 | alterego: is "we" you? ;-) | 16:48 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 17:17 |
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| VDVsx | morning Jaffa :) | 17:18 |
| uhsf | bon matin, canal maemo | 17:19 |
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| VDVsx | Italian ? :D | 17:20 |
| uhsf | french (quebec) | 17:20 |
| VDVsx | :D | 17:22 |
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| * lcukn900 waves from fosdem | 17:23 | |
| VDVsx | lcukn900, beer event was good ? :D | 17:24 |
| lcukn900 | mmm i had beer somewhere and paid for it with a headache this morning, so yeah it was good | 17:25 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 17:25 |
| VDVsx | they've a lot of different beers there | 17:25 |
| lcukn900 | i didnt get to the mega beer thing tho | 17:26 |
| VDVsx | last year they had free beers as well, sponsored by google | 17:26 |
| VDVsx | ah | 17:26 |
| VDVsx | you just missed the best part of Fosdem ;) | 17:26 |
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| libben | if i wanna send images to the phone. the place should be .images right? | 17:27 |
| libben | but there is alot of files in that folder | 17:27 |
| libben | can i delete all those files? | 17:27 |
| lcukn900 | thats ok, after the week ive had im just happy roaming the halls listening to hundreds of conversations | 17:27 |
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| lcukn900 | theres so many n900s here! | 17:28 |
| VDVsx | that's a good sign | 17:28 |
| lcukn900 | i missed dnearys council talk too cos i was throwing up in bushes :S | 17:29 |
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| VDVsx | lcukn900, you must participate in the fosdem dance on Sunday :D | 17:29 |
| VDVsx | lolol | 17:29 |
| crashanddie | lcukn900: having fun? | 17:30 |
| sheepbat | a fosdance, maybe? | 17:30 |
| lcukn900 | ok lol | 17:30 |
| lcukn900 | yeah crash, now my head is clear | 17:30 |
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| VDVsx | lcukn900, two year ago one of my friends throw up in his gift bag inside the main auditorium, no one noticed :D | 17:31 |
| lcukn900 | hahahaha | 17:32 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: cos open source developers can smell of dead cheese which is > smell of puke? :P | 17:33 |
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| VDVsx | lol | 17:34 |
| uhsf | the guide for usb networking says to install libicd-network-dummy from Fremantle Nokia-binaries repository or better libicd-network-null from extras-testing but apt-get can't find either package | 17:34 |
| lcukn900 | stskeeps i agree | 17:35 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, the room is big and he closed the bag and dropped after a while :D | 17:35 |
| uhsf | how to make maemo specific apps use usb networking instead of trying to connect wifi? | 17:35 |
| VDVsx | lcukn900, Maemo dinner tomorrow ? | 17:37 |
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| joppu | test | 17:37 |
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| crashanddie | I'm out, later | 17:38 |
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| Damion2 | uhsf: I just do it manually with ifconfig and route | 17:39 |
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| GAN900 | Interesting, the local children's hospital appears to be using Linux for their entertainment software. | 17:42 |
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| VDVsx | Linux FTW :D | 17:44 |
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| alterego | Hrm, anyone know how to sync SMS messages from a symbian nseries phone to Linux? I'd quite like to back them up to my N900 :/ | 17:54 |
| uhsf | Damion2: what commands with ifconfig and route? | 17:56 |
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| pupnik | barebox presentation was very interesting | 18:00 |
| pupnik | any maemo folks see it? | 18:00 |
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| MohammadAG | how do i kill the keyboard backlight? | 18:01 |
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| lcukn900 | w00t im always surprised | 18:07 |
| w00t | true enough | 18:08 |
| lcukn900 | where are all the maemoers hanging out here | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: that's kinda protective measure. Kinds are all too used to messing around with windoof ;-P | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/Kinds /Kids/ | 18:13 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: GAN900: that's kinda protective measure. Kidsare all too used to messing around with windoof ;-P | 18:13 |
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| lcukn900 | i left my lanyard at home and cant see any in the swag | 18:14 |
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| user__ | hello all | 18:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: permanently? no way I guess. MCE domain | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: you might want to give gnokii a try | 18:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though I dunno how to use gnokii over BT | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably you'll send all the SMS via BT obex | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, well how about temporarly? | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for n in `find /sys -name "*led_kbd*"`; do echo 0 >$n; done | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | for n in `find /sys -name "*led*kb*"`; do echo 0 >$n; done | 18:23 |
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| * DocScrutinizer curses MCE for hardcoded braindamaged handling of kbd-leds and engine3 | 18:27 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | engine3 especially | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | wasting a whole engine for a stupid one shot ramp of kbd leds that could be done in mere software quite easily, if not even - more clever - by temporaray allocation of engine3 and afterwards restoring engine state to previous | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also there's obviously no sane way to tell mce to keep fingers off the kbd leds, so e.g. MohammadAG could enforce proprietary policy for kbd backlight | 18:33 |
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| uhsf | Damion2: i succesfully installed libicd-network-null from extras-devel, and not extras-testing as mentioned in the wiki, and now maemo specific apps can use usb networking without trying to connect wifi or having to set it manually with ifconfig and route | 18:35 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, thanks mate :) | 18:38 |
| MohammadAG | <Bash> i have a yellow exclamation mark icon (a friend of mine) | 18:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders about a nasty hack including tweaking engine3 sysfs node name or permisions | 18:38 | |
| MohammadAG | what's the yellow ! mark? | 18:38 |
| MohammadAG | <Bash> where the wireless normally is | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | his wifi connections keeps getting dropped | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: file a bug against MCE for not providing a sane way to permanently tweak the kbd led policy please | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | nvm, he thought the icons were placed in a static position, maemo updates | 18:40 |
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| MohammadAG | vibrator's dying again | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: maybe we can convince Nokia to open mce sources | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | i'll do it in a bit mate | 18:43 |
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| trem | how I can synchronize my N900 and my thunderbird (or sunbird) with bluetooth ? | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you should have fixed that friggin vib by now | 18:48 |
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| MohammadAG | it's vibrating now | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hope you at least sent a memo to seller to claim it's a waranty case? | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | and yes i should've, but i've been very busy | 18:49 |
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| MohammadAG | seller is amazon.com | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | i'm in israel | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | it's out of warranty | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, no waranty?? | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's been DOA | 18:51 |
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| MohammadAG | it worked on the first day | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, you must never say this ;-) | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | nope no warranty | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | nokia's warranty isn't international | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | lol it's the truth | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | i can send it to the US | 18:53 |
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| MohammadAG | but paying customs again means it's cheaper to fix it out of warranty | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | the deffect (debris or wanky motor or contacts) was a zeroday fault though | 18:53 |
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| MohammadAG | debris | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | when held in portrait mode the vibration sound changes | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | true, amazon would replace it, and the government would make me pay customs | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | luckily the n900 doesn't have a localized version for IL or Jordan | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | there should be procedures for tax excempt for RMA devices | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | so a firmware change might do the trick ;p | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all you receive the device from repair for free | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | RMA? | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | repair devices | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | not the case four years ago | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | someone sent their palm for free repair and they had to pay tax at the post office | 18:56 |
| flux | tax of what? | 18:57 |
| flux | for importing a device worth xxx? | 18:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's insane | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | IL is insane :P | 18:58 |
| flux | well, basically if one is to send something for repairs here, it'd be a good idea to file in paper with the customs to say that you do so | 18:58 |
| flux | so when it comes back, you can use that paper to avoid those fees | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | 34 percent for tax isn't cheap too | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | still you would think any authorized Nokia shop at .il would do such a simple "repair" (clean out debris) | 18:59 |
| flux | but hey, that system sounds nice, if my package is caught by the customs, I need to go to the local customs station, and there is only one in this area. post office won't do. | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, u have no idea what IL is like | 19:00 |
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| MohammadAG | my ps3's lens died, and it was 3 months out of warranty | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: Ind I'm sure I don't want to | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | they said I had to pay $400 to get it fixed | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | And | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | bought the lens off ebay for $40 and fixed it myself | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | come with a AK47 on your back next time ;-) | 19:01 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 19:02 |
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| MohammadAG | i prefer M4s, more accurate firing :P | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though for the mere optics I'd recommend a XM214 | 19:04 |
| * MohammadAG can't wait till he turns 17 and gets his own driver's license | 19:04 | |
| MohammadAG | going to tel aviv w/o being able to drive yourself there isn't a good thing :p | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or even M134 | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you're really strong to carry it ;-P | 19:05 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | haven't played cod for some time, so lemme google that :p | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG | oh that light gun :P | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | minigun | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is all but a minigun, it's a fsckng monster gun | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG | lol I noticed haha | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | though i like these more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun :p | 19:09 |
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| MohammadAG | i wonder if my internet connection's monitored and they think i'm a terrorist :P | 19:15 |
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| ifreq | anyone remember who made the LCARS theme on n770? | 19:18 |
| ifreq | would be nice to have such theme on n900 too :P its just uber cool | 19:18 |
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| andre900 | ifreq: looking for bugs triggered by lcars in bugs.maemo.or g will give you a hint | 19:25 |
| ifreq | ah | 19:25 |
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| GAN900 | ifreq, hard to do for Fremantle | 19:31 |
| GAN900 | ifreq, no sidebar and such | 19:31 |
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| GAN900 | Talk to wiretapped or ian_r, though. | 19:32 |
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| MohammadAG | trying to increase my ts vibration feedback in mce | 19:33 |
| ifreq | GAN900: yeh i understand that :( | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | what the... start: mce respawning too fast, stopped | 19:35 |
| RST38h | wazzzd | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | airports.. the reason n900 is so good, it keeps you entertained | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: MCE seems not that professionally coded, eh? | 19:47 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: at least until the great powers prohibit Li batteries on the planes | 19:47 |
| ShadowJK | the closed source nokia components tend to die/abort/quit on invalid input :) | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, tell me about it | 19:48 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: But haven't they passed extensive testing we are so often told about? | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-)) | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | bug report on its way | 19:48 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: (especially when suggesting a fix) | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-)) | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | i might unload the keypad module | 19:48 |
| Jaffa | Anyone know anything about the "OCS" feeds exposed from http://maemo.org/downloads/ (allegedly) | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | that didn't do anything o.o | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | actually it did | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | the backlight is always on now x.x | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | rst38h: sure, testeed extensively to make sure nothing feeds it invalid inputs ;) | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | if any stupid syntax or parameter value error in mce.ini can make mce die, that's for sure worth a bug report | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | anotehr point to disclose the source so we may fix that crap | 19:51 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, I was trying to talk them into moving to gconf a while ago. | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I hate the concept of gconf | 19:53 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, Nokia differentiates on the mce stuff, so. :/ | 19:53 |
| GAN900 | We got a neutered dsme opened instead. :rolleyes: | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | cooooool | 19:54 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, Dan Winehall should still be the guy to talk to. | 19:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the guy that stole my job? ;-P | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems I missed to bookmark the pointer you passed me on that some weeks ago :-S | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I also forgot to forward an application to konttori_nokia (/me lazy asshole :-S ) | 20:00 |
| andre900 | gconf is dead anyway, on a related note | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, nice to hear that. On my deskto though it resurrects ocationaly, eating up my CPU :-P | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | replaced with? | 20:02 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: hconf, of course | 20:02 |
| w00t | </badjoke> | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAL9000? | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | replacement of IBM8000 | 20:03 |
| RST38h | Hey Myrtti how are things? | 20:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Shouldn't that be HAL9111 ? | 20:03 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: shite | 20:03 |
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| Myrtti | I'd get drunk to forget some problems, but the logical fallacy is that these problems were caused by people because they were drunk. | 20:05 |
| adeus | alcohol, the cause and solution for all lifes problemts | 20:05 |
| adeus | -t | 20:06 |
| shd | thank alcohol | 20:06 |
| * adeus is drinking old engine oil | 20:06 | |
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| dirsal | heymoo | 20:07 |
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| Myrtti | I think it's time to put some Radiohead on AND PUMP UP THE VOLUME | 20:09 |
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| dirsal | any fosdemmers here? | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: I noticed microb recently showing a new effect of introducing a short (<1s) black screen when switching from fullscreen back to bottom-bar-mode (no better word for it) | 20:10 |
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| simoneb_ | how do i start an application (es. leafpad) from within my application? | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | system() ? | 20:14 |
| simoneb_ | tried that... doesn't start | 20:14 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Reading stuff that is perpendicular to reality also helps | 20:15 |
| simoneb_ | DocScrutinizer: uhm, i tried execv() ... should system() make a difference? | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | simoneb_: system("runstandalone.sh myapp") maybe | 20:16 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: are you telling me my fascination for audiobooks of David Eddings is healthy? | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | simoneb_: sorry really pue guessing here | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | pure | 20:16 |
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| simoneb_ | turns out system() works, execv() does not | 20:20 |
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| simoneb_ | or maybe I fumbled something with the execv() args | 20:20 |
| chun1 | Is there any way to get a dedicated flash player on my n900 - i.e. outside of the browser? | 20:21 |
| Caesium | simoneb_: are you remembering to pass the executable name as the first passed argument? so the new process sees it in argv[0] | 20:22 |
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| Caesium | which leads to the strange calling convention of needing to write your new binary name into exec() twice, usually. | 20:22 |
| simoneb_ | Caesium: good point | 20:22 |
| simoneb_ | anyway it seems that launching an application from within a button in a desktop widget locks the entire desktop... not funny :/ | 20:23 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, i think my vib motor is working again | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | for real this time | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | grinded the debris to dust? :-P | 20:25 |
| * ShadowJK is starting to suspects the battery meter in n900 is some sort of voltage based instead of colomb counter.... | 20:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you bet it is | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | a dbus signal with an incoming call pattern for 40 minutes seems to have done the trick | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 20:26 |
| ShadowJK | docsxrutinizer: N8x0 had (buggy) colomb counter :( | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | from the patterns I seen on lshal capacity reports I thought it has to be voltage based | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900 that is | 20:27 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Dunno, no idea who the guy is =) | 20:27 |
| * RST38h googles | 20:27 | |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer: lshal output can be a bit hard to interpret because it's only lazily updated :/ | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | speedevil also seen those large jumps of capacity that are not expected to be seen on CC based meter | 20:28 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Naah, I do not think the guy has sufficiently advanced on the road to insanity =) | 20:29 |
| ShadowJK | but the claimed charge state increasing after charger disconnected would indicate some ghey voltage profiling | 20:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I vaguely recall that tehre is no sort of thing | 20:29 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: A quick scrityngy of the bme kernel module revealed lots of dodgy code. | 20:29 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't realize there was a bme kernel module | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | However - I'm not 1000% sure it's actually used - I haven't traced from hal through to that side | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | well - maybe not module | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: there isnt | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | retu and tahvo maybe | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | I only straced bme - hald-addon-bme communication and concluded the protocol has changed from maemo4 | 20:31 |
| hcarrega | hello | 20:31 |
| hcarrega | need some help | 20:31 |
| hcarrega | my n900 today | 20:31 |
| hcarrega | acts a little bit strange | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah on maemo4 bme seems to do i2c on retutahvo from userspace :P | 20:31 |
| hcarrega | i get sim failure | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | or some other protocol slow enough to do bruteforce in userspace | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | retutahvo??? o.O | 20:32 |
| hcarrega | i disconnect ,remove the baterry the sim put all again and no network | 20:32 |
| SpeedEvil | twl4030_bci_batteryt.c maybe | 20:32 |
| hcarrega | i use another sim and gets network | 20:32 |
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| Stskeeps | on n900 its different | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, some nokia chips named after (I think) finnish names of flintstones characters... | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | oh twl4030 yeah... | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | BAM BAM! | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | n8x0 reused lots of hardware from other nokia phones :-) | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | there's more unused hw features than used :D | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | DocScrutinizer's paradise | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | there's sim interface, not connected to anything, and no radio for it :) | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 20:35 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders bluetooth SIM profile | 20:35 | |
| ShadowJK | I think there's like all the hw from a nokia dumbphone in there, mostly unused :P | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | unused/unusable | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | just used for power management | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | I think N900 is using TI chips for that now... | 20:36 |
| RST38h | baseband should be from the s40 phone | 20:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer makes notice to scrutinize the N810 schematics another time | 20:37 | |
| RST38h | oh wait you mean n8x0... there is no reason it should have any phone-specific hw | 20:37 |
| RST38h | OMAP2 is an application processor, phone stuff is separate | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but now for something completely different: dinnnnnneeeer | 20:41 |
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| ShadowJK | smartq is much better as porn, you can google the chips and datasheets and reference manuals appear | 20:46 |
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| ShadowJK | those chinese are too cheap to use custom components :) | 20:46 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, when you get back, I've been thinking about sth for the xchat notifications, why can't we define a new pattern for xchat in mce.ini? | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | of course we can | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | both for vib and led | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you could even exploit mce madness and use engine3 for led pattern (by manually programming it) which would reset the pattern as soon as you hit any key on kbd | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | quite a hack though | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and mce also occasionally resets patterns out of no aparent reason | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably related to battery management | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno if that applies to engine3 as well | 20:53 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, well I added a pattern, and a dbus to test it didn't work | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | sec lemme retry it | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you took care to add the pattern name to the list of patterns a few lines up in mce.ini? | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | *facepalm* | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | didn't notice that part lol | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | why are there non RX51 patterns? | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | i'm assuming they're safe to delete | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea. heritage | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | so they're safe to delete | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd not hesitate a second to delete them | 21:00 |
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| chun1 | Is there any way to get a dedicated flash player on my n900 - i.e. outside of the browser? | 21:01 |
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| timeless | chun1: technically, kinda | 21:12 |
| timeless | the get started wizard is a flash app with minimal hosting | 21:12 |
| timeless | there's no proper standalone flash player, but you can do what they did which is be your own eal client and provide a tiny html file which just loads your .swf file | 21:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | mplayer works for some simple flash files | 21:18 |
| * RST38h wonders why anyone would want to watch flash video so hard | 21:18 | |
| SpeedEvil | So it goes soft? | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: me too | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | even outside of browser | 21:20 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be easy way to make 'standalone' games | 21:20 |
| RST38h | quality sucks, the length is limited, and it stalls all the time | 21:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and aiui you could embed the flash shit in a local html page to display in a standard browser | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so why a standalone flash player? | 21:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hopefully faster? | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | duh, why should it? | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I think people hope it might be | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's flash that sucks. Not the browser | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Without understandign that | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG | a standalone player with GPU support/acceleration would be faster | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | flash always puts the load on the CPU | 21:24 |
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| MohammadAG | (but i'm assuming you already knew that SpeedEvil) :) | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. My working assumption these days is to blame adobe for everything. | 21:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Including possibly global warming and WWII | 21:25 |
| SpeedEvil | s/II/III/ | 21:25 |
| infobot | SpeedEvil meant: Including possibly global warming and WWIII | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd guess it's completely irrelevant for flashplayer(-plugin) on which canvas it's running - browser or any other X window | 21:26 |
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| MohammadAG | so should i send adobe a message concerning my n900 motor? | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:26 |
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| derf | Personally, I thought this was hilarious: http://www.atoker.com/blog/2010/02/04/html5-theora-video-codec-for-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-42836 | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, yeah, it always puts load on the cpu, though there is a device that has a standalone gpu accelerated flash player | 21:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure but I suppose most workloads for flash would benefit from browser not being running | 21:27 |
| derf | (in re: things being Adobe's fault) | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: which aiui N900 actually does | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | really? | 21:28 |
| derf | "Perhaps a quarter of our developer time last year was spent trying to hack around bugs in the Adobe Flash player product, for example." | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | didn't know that, as my loads rocket up when playing youube | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | youtube* | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not sure about that | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably timeless could tell | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | might be pulseaudio though | 21:29 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, one more thing, unloading the keypad module worked :) | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | backlight is off now | 21:31 |
| ShadowJK | pulseaudio has its own set of bugs to work around :-) | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | duh | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | you said the only way was to do the echo command in /sys | 21:31 |
| SpeedEvil | 'zootube' makes for _much_ better, smoother viweing, and faster framerate than flash | 21:31 |
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| ShadowJK | zoutube uses mafw :) | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you would think keypad module has more than just BL mgmt, some of which you don't want to break | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | err - zou - yes | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | do not google zootube | 21:32 |
| ShadowJK | and mafw doesn't need to pull back the video into the system, convert it to rgb, alphablend the interface ontop, and blit the rgb to screen (lots of bw), or convert back to yuv... | 21:33 |
| SpeedEvil | To be fair - that is a performance killer too | 21:33 |
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| ShadowJK | yes. | 21:33 |
| ShadowJK | flash player is awlays at a disadvantage because of that :/ | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> do not google zootube // why does the human mind interpret such things as the opposite :/ | 21:35 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 21:36 |
| * ShadowJK likes mytube better | 21:36 | |
| ShadowJK | but I haven't tried it on n900 | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | anybody tried what's happening when you rename the cam ELF (as called by *.desktop) and replace it by another app? | 21:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ7J7UjsRqg /me has been playing with zoutube - lol | 21:42 |
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| RST38h | Speed: You think that was funny? Try this one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2005/mar/08/highereducation.research | 21:44 |
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| MohammadAG | is there a theme maker for maemo? | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | <Bash> MohammadAG, are there any templates to make themes etc? | 22:12 |
| RST38h | yes. | 22:13 |
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| Bash1 | hi guys. just got the n900 MohammadAG has been helping me set it u :D | 22:19 |
| Bash1 | up* | 22:19 |
| Bash1 | pretty cool phone | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yo | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | iphone convert right there :) | 22:20 |
| Bash1 | lol | 22:21 |
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| V13 | hello. Is there a way to distinguish system packages from packages that are installed later ? | 22:22 |
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| V13 | By "system packages" I mean packages that should be the rootfs. | 22:22 |
| V13 | s/the/in | 22:22 |
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| chun1 | Anyone know how I can play flash games that require me to drag? seem to just scroll the browser when I try | 22:27 |
| V13 | you can use the cursor | 22:27 |
| V13 | do you know how to enable the cursor ? | 22:28 |
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| chun1 | V13: no, how do I? | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sweep left to right | 22:29 |
| V13 | drag your finger (or stylus or nail) from outside the left side of the screen to the center | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | drag from bottom left side on the browser | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | from outside screen | 22:29 |
| V13 | it will display a box with a cursor | 22:29 |
| V13 | then click it | 22:29 |
| V13 | after that you control a cursor | 22:29 |
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| chun1 | ah, awesome! cheers | 22:29 |
| V13 | the same way you can drag google maps | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | chun1, do it from the other (right) side to display your history | 22:30 |
| V13 | so, any ideas on how i can determine system packages ? | 22:30 |
| V13 | it would be nice if someone had the "dpkg -l" of a "virgin" system with PR1.1 | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hit it | 22:31 |
| V13 | ? | 22:31 |
| * V13 hits | 22:31 | |
| * V13 hits again | 22:31 | |
| ShadowJK | apt-cache rdepends maemo-pr | 22:32 |
| V13 | I want a list of packages that are supposed to be installed in the rootfs | 22:32 |
| V13 | xmm | 22:32 |
| ShadowJK | but it doesn't show all system packages :/ | 22:32 |
| V13 | I don't have maemo-pr | 22:32 |
| V13 | W: Unable to locate package maemo-pr | 22:33 |
| ShadowJK | hm, I have forgotten the exact name then :P | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | ii mp-fremantle-0 2.2009.51-1.00 ? | 22:34 |
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| V13 | I've mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 22:35 |
| V13 | and it's depends | 22:35 |
| V13 | but it works :)) | 22:35 |
| V13 | sweet :) | 22:36 |
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| MohammadAG | ~ $ sudo dpkg -l mp-fremantle* | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 22:36 |
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| V13 | It seems that it lists everything! | 22:36 |
| V13 | let's see :) | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe upgrade to Pr1.1 recommended? | 22:37 |
| V13 | ? | 22:38 |
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| raily | hi all | 22:38 |
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| uhsf | hi raily | 22:39 |
| raily | i would like to add sth to brainstorm regarding skype. should i open a new topic or find one where my request fits in? | 22:40 |
| Bash1 | anyone tried to sync their contacts with google contacts on the n900? | 22:40 |
| raily | btw, totally cool i am writing from my N900 right now :) love it | 22:40 |
| raily | yyeah bash1 i did | 22:41 |
| raily | oh no sorry i synced calendar only | 22:41 |
| Bash1 | oh ok | 22:41 |
| raily | google never gets my contacts | 22:41 |
| raily | :) | 22:42 |
| Bash1 | i cant connect to the server says my username, password or domain are incorrect | 22:42 |
| raily | well domain is m.google.com, right? | 22:42 |
| Bash1 | i tried that | 22:43 |
| Bash1 | domain: m.google.com | 22:43 |
| Bash1 | server: m.google.com | 22:43 |
| Bash1 | port: 433 | 22:43 |
| Bash1 | 443* | 22:43 |
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| raily | mmh i think you should leave domain blank | 22:44 |
| Bash1 | ive tried that also lol | 22:44 |
| raily | ill look into my mfe config, brb | 22:44 |
| V13 | ok... googlelatitude and wikihow depend on libqt4-webkit which installs 52MB in / | 22:44 |
| V13 | or i counted something wrong | 22:45 |
| raily | domain is blank and secure connection is on | 22:46 |
| raily | login is your googlemail | 22:46 |
| raily | and dont sync mails as it wont work | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | I hope it goes to /opt | 22:46 |
| V13 | nope.. it's 17MB | 22:48 |
| Bash1 | man i really needed this to work....all my contacts are on google contacts none on sim :( | 22:48 |
| Bash1 | dont wanna type in 300 contacts lol | 22:48 |
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| V13 | openssh-client installs 1MB in /, wget installs 1.3MB in /, libpoppler2: 1.48MB, libqt4-webkit: 17.4MB | 22:49 |
| ShadowJK | which repo is wget from? | 22:50 |
| V13 | apt-cache showpkg gives: 1.10.2-2osso3 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-testing_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status) | 22:50 |
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| V13 | so it's from extras or extras-testing | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | I hope it isn't extras if it uses so much on / | 22:51 |
| V13 | it's because of /usr/share/locales/ | 22:51 |
| satmd | any "slim and neat" theme recommendations? | 22:51 |
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| woglinde | ä | 22:51 |
| satmd | ä? | 22:51 |
| woglinde | sorry | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | The locale files aren't optified? | 22:51 |
| woglinde | netbook has small keys | 22:52 |
| V13 | nope | 22:52 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe they're individually too small to trigger the auto-optification :( | 22:52 |
| * ShadowJK sighs | 22:52 | |
| V13 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39689 Aug 23 15:51 /usr/share/locale/vi/LC_MESSAGES/wget.mo | 22:52 |
| V13 | not *that* small | 22:52 |
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| V13 | there are 35 of them | 22:52 |
| jebba | if they are part of the base install, they don't get optified | 22:52 |
| V13 | and /usr/bin/wget is 213Kb | 22:53 |
| ioeee | hola, existe canal de soporte en español? | 22:53 |
| jebba | si! aca. ;) | 22:53 |
| ShadowJK | wget isn't part of base install though? | 22:53 |
| ioeee | a si? | 22:53 |
| woglinde | hi jebba | 22:53 |
| ioeee | que bien | 22:53 |
| jebba | hey woglinde :) | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Shadikka: nope | 22:54 |
| V13 | Inst wget [1.10.2-2osso3] (1.10.2-2osso3 Extras:2.0/fremantle, Extras-testing:2.0/fremantle) | 22:54 |
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| V13 | it's from extras | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: ^ | 22:54 |
| ioeee | queria saber si hay mas reposirorios aparte de los del topic | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | V13: extras-testing even | 22:55 |
| timeless | si.pero nosotros hablamos Ingles | 22:55 |
| V13 | I believe it's extras | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ioeee: this is an Engllish channel | 22:55 |
| V13 | it shows extras-testing because it has the same version. No? | 22:55 |
| ioeee | :( | 22:56 |
| jebba | ioeee: si hay unos: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Repositories que queres? | 22:56 |
| jebba | ioeee: no importa que dice. Podemos hablar como queremos.... | 22:56 |
| ioeee | jebba gracias, busco aplicaciones de los repos de debian | 22:57 |
| jebba | ah ioeee yo hico todo de debian etch, pero no es "optificado" (no usa /opt por ahora) | 22:57 |
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| ioeee | jebba ok pero añadiste los repos manualmente al source.lst o descargas los .deb? | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | woglinde: hi, und wie isses auf ther fosdem? | 22:59 |
| jebba | puedes instalar con eso: http://obra.freemoe.org/obra.install | 22:59 |
| V13 | can't find wget in garage or bugtracker | 22:59 |
| jebba | o manualmente ... | 22:59 |
| ShadowJK | I can't remember URL of the packages interface | 23:00 |
| ShadowJK | and maemo.org mainpage seems to be unresponsive, as it always is on weekends.. sigh :-) | 23:00 |
| V13 | Here is the deb: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/w/wget/ | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | V13: apt-get install wget | 23:01 |
| V13 | I've it installed already | 23:01 |
| V13 | I want to fill a bugreport | 23:01 |
| ioeee | jebba ok gracias, cierro para mirar tu wiki con calma, gracias de nuevo | 23:01 |
| V13 | can't find it anywhere | 23:01 |
| V13 | it's like a ghost :) | 23:02 |
| jebba | de nada ioeee | 23:02 |
| ioeee | bye o/ | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | V13: it,s not a special maemo app | 23:02 |
| V13 | Maintainer: maemo integration <integration@maemo.org> | 23:02 |
| V13 | doc: i agree | 23:02 |
| V13 | ok.. who's maemo integration ? | 23:02 |
| ShadowJK | I thought things in extras had to have a bugtracker or similar.. | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably a bunch of guys | 23:03 |
| V13 | ShadowJK: it doesn't show anywhere ! | 23:03 |
| jebba | a bunch of guys or a dead address ,) | 23:04 |
| V13 | ok.. question: is it ok to give googlelatitude a fingers-down because it depends on libqt4-webkit ? | 23:04 |
| V13 | it installs 17MB in / | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | So, entering extras-testing in the search field, and redoing the search with wiki set as search area | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | still yields 0 results | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | wtf_ | 23:05 |
| V13 | see? :) | 23:05 |
| jebba | V13: libqt4-webkit is a part of "core" or whatever it's called :( | 23:05 |
| V13 | are you sure ? | 23:05 |
| jebba | ShadowJK: just search the site with google.... | 23:05 |
| V13 | only googlelatitude and wikihow depend on this | 23:05 |
| timeless | most things @maemo.org are fake | 23:06 |
| jebba | V13: it's not in extras* | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | back in warsaw | 23:06 |
| timeless | v13: what's wrong w/ wget? | 23:06 |
| uhsf | yesterday i configured a visible cursor for my n900 but today it's gone. how to get a permanent visible cursor? | 23:07 |
| jebba | nice. congrats on getting thesis defended etc (and surviving the night) | 23:07 |
| V13 | it installs 1.3MB in / | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | http://maemo.org/packages/view/wget/ | 23:07 |
| V13 | jebba: indeed... you're right.. sorry for the trouble | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | jebba, ta | 23:08 |
| V13 | shadowjk: well done. still not bugtracker... right ? | 23:08 |
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| ShadowJK | V13: nope :/ | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | and the wget in extras-testing has 0 karma | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | huh | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | how is it in extras | 23:09 |
| V13 | last one is 27/1/2010 | 23:10 |
| V13 | wrong.. 26/12/2009 | 23:10 |
| timeless | just file it in bugs.maemo.org | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe post to maemo-developers mailing list asking wtf? | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | or bugs :) | 23:10 |
| V13 | timless: against which package ? | 23:10 |
| V13 | I'll send to maemo-dev | 23:11 |
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| timeless | distmaster or the sdk | 23:11 |
| woglinde | good nite | 23:11 |
| timeless | just make jeremiah deal w/ it | 23:11 |
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| timeless | probably sdk if i were to place a guess | 23:11 |
| * V13 lost | 23:12 | |
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| timeless | given that the extension is osso instead of maemo | 23:12 |
| V13 | there is a package named "sdk" and another one named "distmasteR" ? | 23:12 |
| dov | Does someone know why 'ssh -X' doesn't work to the N900? DISPLAY is always set to :0. I wanted to test remote streaming of the video through gstreamer over X11. | 23:12 |
| uhsf | no one here uses a cursor in maemo? | 23:12 |
| V13 | uhsg: you mean the browser? | 23:12 |
| uhsf | it's very annoying to try to click without seeing a cursor | 23:12 |
| uhsf | V13: i mean everywhere on maemo interface | 23:13 |
| * satmd has a nice idea for post-n900: a switch placed where the pen is stored, to lock/unlock (possibly) when removed/inserted | 23:14 | |
| timeless | ufsf: koffice does | 23:14 |
| timeless | no one in their right mind doe | 23:14 |
| timeless | uhsf: people can't tpically see a cursor tht's underneath their thumb | 23:14 |
| timeless | and the presence of a cursor on the screen is incredibly annoying | 23:14 |
| timeless | if you want to try it, use koffice viewer | 23:14 |
| timeless | v13: sdk is a product or component | 23:14 |
| timeless | dunno about dist, i think maemo.org/repositoriesk | 23:14 |
| timeless | and if you can't figure out how to file this bug, you're wasting people's time | 23:14 |
| * timeless is sick (litterally) | 23:14 | |
| satmd | and either you or me just had a lot of lag | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | satmd: the switch idea is old | 23:15 |
| * timeless | 23:15 | |
| ShadowJK | Hm, is there a wget in SDK TOOLS repository too? | 23:15 |
| satmd | DocScrutinizer: still nice :p | 23:15 |
| * timeless is using a lame IAP | 23:15 | |
| timeless | shadowjk: i'd bet there is | 23:16 |
| timeless | kinda hard to do work in an sdk w/o one :) | 23:16 |
| V13 | timeless: chill-out. maemo.org's bugtracker is somehow messed. You have to find out which category a package is in. And this is #maemo. Not even #maemo-devel. | 23:16 |
| timeless | besides, that's the only valid reason to find integration@maemo.org in the maintainer field | 23:16 |
| timeless | v13: get me some saltines for my unsettled stomach | 23:16 |
| V13 | oh.. stomach problem.. bad bad.. | 23:17 |
| uhsf | timeless: at home it's much more convenient to use a real pointing device than the touchscreen. the lack of cursor is a bug, not a feature | 23:17 |
| ShadowJK | integration@maemo.org address is in the extras package though.. the question is whether some random dude just uploaded package from sdk tools to extras :) | 23:17 |
| * timeless went to the hospital around 6am today | 23:17 | |
| timeless | shadowjk: money is on it, yes | 23:17 |
| timeless | wouldn't you? | 23:17 |
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| timeless | > And though the Postal Service creed may be "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds," the agency suspended service across the Washington region on Saturday, surrendering to one of the largest snowfalls in the region's history. | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | No I'd worry about leaving or not leaving the email fields as they are. On one hand removing credit, on the other hand adding noise emails | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | adding/causing | 23:20 |
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| V13 | libpoppler2 is not a core component. Right ? | 23:21 |
| * ShadowJK wonders how to find out who put wget in extas-devel, and how it went through -testing and into extras | 23:22 | |
| jebba | V13: maemo-list-user-packages | 23:22 |
| timeless | v13: roughly speaking, just file the bug /somewhere/, someone will move the bug somewhere better | 23:22 |
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| V13 | timeless.. yes.. thanks! I did that against sdk | 23:22 |
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| dov | I figured it out. There is no xauth for the N900. Nor is there a an xauth available in any of the standard repositories. :-( | 23:22 |
| V13 | jebba: i found it in testing's queue | 23:23 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders if bugmenot has any *.maemo.org passwords | 23:24 | |
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| Quibus | Hi all | 23:25 |
| jebba | hey | 23:25 |
| V13 | Perhaps a package in testing should get negative karma from the packages that it depends on. | 23:25 |
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| Quibus | Is there a common way to disable window composition for SDL apps? | 23:25 |
| Quibus | (To gain performance) | 23:25 |
| flux | quibus, there is, but I don't know it. you will likely find it from messages dealing with qt fullscreen apps and disabling composition. | 23:26 |
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| Quibus | flux: you reckon SDL isn't different than Qt? | 23:27 |
| Quibus | (regarding this) | 23:27 |
| timeless | there's a keystroke for it.. | 23:27 |
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| flux | quibus, I'm guessing the solution talks directly with hildon or something | 23:27 |
| V13 | I wrote a small python-prog that how much each non-system package consumes in rootfs. Are you interested in that? | 23:27 |
| V13 | s/that how/that show how/ | 23:28 |
| infobot | V13 meant: I wrote a small python-prog that show how much each non-system package consumes in rootfs. Are you interested in that? | 23:28 |
| V13 | lol :) | 23:28 |
| timeless | 'shows' | 23:28 |
| V13 | yes :) | 23:28 |
| Quibus | that's a cool bot feature :-) | 23:28 |
| * V13 must learn to type | 23:28 | |
| N900evil | naah | 23:29 |
| * V13 msut lrn ot ytpe | 23:29 | |
| timeless | i think i'd rather one that just listed high scorers | 23:29 |
| N900evil | imp.lement autolcolrrectedd keybolard | 23:29 |
| timeless | anyone under 100k isn't interesting | 23:29 |
| N900evil | fix everyholnes typ.nbg | 23:29 |
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| zash | do someone know of a media server system thingy like subsonic, but another | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | Well, 100k is interesting for those people who install everything :-) | 23:31 |
| * dov managed to install xauth and stream video through ssh! | 23:31 | |
| ShadowJK | Then we have stuff that consists essentially of two dozen 90k packages or something :-) | 23:32 |
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| Bash1 | does anyone have the 3g settings for O2? | 23:33 |
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| * N900evil sighs at angrybirds 21. last without *** | 23:33 | |
| V13 | another Q: is it ok to make a package of a wallpaper? Are wallpapers distributed in another way? | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | here's atleast one wallpaper as a package... | 23:36 |
| * V13 missed that | 23:36 | |
| V13 | milkyway-wallpaper | 23:37 |
| V13 | right1 | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Bash1: mompl | 23:42 |
| ifreq | evening guys and gurls | 23:42 |
| rdorsch | Does anybody know how I reset the network traffic counter for packet data (GPRS/UMTS)? | 23:42 |
| * Trizt wonders why there aren't a group for themes in the installer, but themes are placed a little bit here and there sometimes as system, other times utils or desktop... | 23:42 | |
| ShadowJK | there's a reset button next to the counte thing... | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Bash1: for loop prepaid (INTERNET S/M/L) it's APN: pinternet.interkom.de | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Bash1: no user/pw | 23:43 |
| Bash1 | ive have the settings now DocScrutinizer51 :D | 23:44 |
| rdorsch | ShadowJK: Is personal-gprs-mon the counter thing? | 23:44 |
| Bash1 | sent a text msg to them and got them ty | 23:44 |
| rdorsch | I do not see a reset button there... | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | no I mean setup -> phone -> data counter | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | I dont have personal-gprs-mon | 23:44 |
| rdorsch | Many thanks, I found it :-) | 23:45 |
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| MohammadAG | what's the enter code for unlocking sim card for? | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | it's in the title bar of settings | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anybody a short few buzzwords how ntp et idem is handled on maemo5? | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ntpdate/netdate, date over GSM/GPS - any clue? | 23:51 |
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| ShadowJK | date over gsm is supported atleast | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | then there's minigpsd in the repos that supports time over gps, if it actually works on maemo5 | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK | and ntpdate is probably in repos too | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK | but the default maemo5 is date over gsm I believe | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, makes sense to what I observe | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | thnx | 23:53 |
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| ShadowJK | openntpd and such use more power :-) | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | and gps | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | apt-get i ntpdate ->not found :-/ | 23:56 |
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| ShadowJK | openntpd or s omething in -devel? | 23:58 |
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