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| * Arkenoi wonders if bfs may provide any advantage on n900? | 00:01 | |
| timeless | are people at the hotel and coordinating? I'm at cdg | 00:01 |
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| iPeter- | how to mount nokia n900 on ubuntu on mass storage mode | 00:01 |
| timeless | oops, wrong channel :-) | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: what part of the world are you in his time? | 00:01 |
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| Stskeeps | +t | 00:02 |
| timeless | /join mercurial | 00:02 |
| timeless | paris | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 00:02 |
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| mtd | Caesium: 8th "update" of a release? I smell marketing. | 00:09 |
| mtd | t-tan: ok. I guess I should re-enable extras-devel. | 00:09 |
| mtd | t-tan: hmm hadn't thought of enabling extras-devel on scratchbox for some reason. | 00:10 |
| Caesium | mtd: yes, not really familiar with Debian's update and versioning system, I assume a security patch doesn't bump the update or it'd be higher than 8 after 2 years one would assume | 00:10 |
| mtd | Caesium: makes sense. | 00:10 |
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| t-tan | mtd: extras-devel is essential if you want to develop | 00:11 |
| mtd | t-tan: yeah I dunno why I didn't think of enabling it in the scratchbox... | 00:12 |
| hrw-gone-fosdem | mtd: my bus to berlin airport is leaving in 2:30 | 00:12 |
| mtd | hrw-gone-fosdem: ah | 00:12 |
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| marmoute | zaheerm: What kind a QAd does fremantle have ? | 00:13 |
| * wazd ponders if he can release Manila weather icons for Maemo... | 00:13 | |
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| * mtd had alread put extras-devel in his scratchbox apt sources, so has gone from feeling stupid to just forgetful. | 00:17 | |
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| iPeter- | What format is N900 filesystem | 00:21 |
| iPeter- | FAT32? | 00:21 |
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| ShadowJK | ubifs, ext3, vfat (fat32) | 00:22 |
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| iPeter- | Thx | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | ubifs on / nand, the 32g emmc is divided into a 2gig ext2 partition, 768M swap and the rest vfat | 00:25 |
| mtd | jebba: I think I might pin base-files to maemo repos rather than freemoe-etch :) | 00:26 |
| iPeter- | How does that subtitle plugin for Media Player work, does anyone know? | 00:26 |
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| mtnbkr | http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Platform_Opening | 00:31 |
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| jebba | mtd: oh for certain. Give me the pin list. ;) Don't dist-upgrade against etch ;) | 00:31 |
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| jebba | http://www.symbian.org/news-and-media/2010/02/04/symbian-completes-biggest-open-source-migration-project-ever | 00:32 |
| villager | mtd: after a debian release has accumulated enough security patches, debian masters a new set of cd images. that's what the 8 etch updates are all about | 00:33 |
| mtd | villager: ah, thanks for the explanation. | 00:35 |
| mtd | jebba: heh. | 00:35 |
| villager | an update could also include patches for other critical but non-security bugs, though that's rare | 00:35 |
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| jebba | "The page you are trying to access is restricted to members of the Symbian Foundation." oh well, not worth it. | 00:36 |
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| mtd | jebba: now that that stuff's open source, every mobile phone operator's network will be hacked | 00:38 |
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| mtd | jebba: and then the mobile phone operators will go out of business. | 00:38 |
| embedded | hi all | 00:38 |
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| mtd | jebba: I don't know whether to wish my idiotic statements true :) | 00:38 |
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| jebba | " then the mobile phone operators will go out of business." That's the plan. | 00:41 |
| mtd | :) | 00:41 |
| * mtd thinks it's great, of course. Perhaps the license nazis would've preferred GPL to EPL. <shrug> | 00:42 | |
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| * mtd is disappointed at the lack of swear words in the code (according to google) | 00:43 | |
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| mtd | actually, google hasn't indexed much (robots.txt?): http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site:developer.symbian.org+filetype:cpp | 00:45 |
| jophish | Hmm, my n900 isn't keeping it's theme over reboots. anybody else experienced this? | 00:49 |
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| embedded | never experienced any reboot :) | 00:50 |
| jebba | Remosi: any luck building by any chance? :) | 00:50 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:51 |
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| jophish | embedded, wow, what's your uptime? | 00:54 |
| embedded | mmhh...let me think | 00:54 |
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| lcuk | embedded, no need to think, just ask in the console ;) | 00:55 |
| Damion2 | has anyone used ovi maps on s60? I can't get gps lock and it only wants to use gprs for agps, but my sim is in my n900 | 00:55 |
| embedded | jophish: at least a couple of months | 00:55 |
| jophish | very impressive | 00:55 |
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| jophish | I think my server has a few years on that though | 00:55 |
| lcuk | my 2 active n900s have 4 days each | 00:56 |
| lcuk | :( | 00:56 |
| embedded | i'm replying with N900,this is the reason of the late reply | 00:56 |
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| embedded | reply | 00:56 |
| lcuk | my nana had an uptime of over 80 years. | 00:57 |
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| lcuk | she got rebooted today :) | 00:57 |
| yuizy | doesn't fw update require rebooting? | 00:57 |
| redeeman | lcuk: i had a server with 1400 days uptime | 00:57 |
| redeeman | not quite as long | 00:57 |
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| redeeman | but still | 00:57 |
| lcuk | impressive for a computer that | 00:57 |
| redeeman | had to replace it, no more disk space | 00:57 |
| Damion2 | we had a sun doing http proxy pac serving which had an uptime of 12 years when I left | 00:58 |
| redeeman | plus, it had already reached 1337 days | 00:58 |
| Damion2 | it's still going ttbomk | 00:58 |
| embedded | yuizy: not necessarily | 00:58 |
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| crashanddie | the current record for longest uptime is 11 years, 303 days, 20 hours and 57 minutes on a computer running OpenVMS. | 00:59 |
| * Arkenoi had seen 10+ years uptime once | 00:59 | |
| Arkenoi | yep, and it was openVMS too ;-) | 01:00 |
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| ptl | I've seen an uptime of 40 years in a server with AIX 5.2... but of course it was a bug. | 01:02 |
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| ptl | 09:59PM up 14643 days, 2:58, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01 | 01:04 |
| Damion2 | crashanddie: netcraft? | 01:05 |
| crashanddie | ptl: 40 years, right ;) | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | Damion2: wiki | 01:06 |
| Damion2 | ours wasn't online | 01:06 |
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| embedded | good night all | 01:06 |
| Damion2 | let me find the actual last dated uptime then | 01:06 |
| embedded | bye | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | who cares, there's no such thing as an accurate uptime copy/paste | 01:06 |
| ptl | crashanddie: it was a bug, it probably calculated as initial date the epoch time | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | the bug was in you trying to fake your uptime ;) | 01:07 |
| mtnbkr | lol | 01:07 |
| jebba | new freemoe kernel available (untested) | 01:07 |
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| ptl | I did not fake it | 01:08 |
| ptl | I did not issue the uptime command now, I took from my log | 01:08 |
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| Damion2 | crashanddie: well if the record on wikipedia is 11yrs and www0-rth.thls.bbc.co.uk is more I'll update it. | 01:09 |
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| ptl | VERSION | 01:10 |
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| Caesium | that's funny, the uptime record being pasted on wiki | 01:14 |
| Caesium | as soon as the page is saved it's wrong, what's the point ;) | 01:14 |
| Damion2 | Caesium: ahha! do you have an uptime output stored from it? it contains the date so as long as it's not sinced died it's that much longer | 01:15 |
| Caesium | no, but bb or slimey will probably happily get some current output for you :p | 01:15 |
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| * Caesium is asking :) | 01:16 | |
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| jebba | gar, new kernel doesn't work | 01:17 |
| wazd | VDVsx: around? | 01:17 |
| VDVsx | wazd, yup | 01:17 |
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| Damion2 | 2565 days in 2006 | 01:17 |
| ptl | do you guys know a good shopping list application that preferrably makes a good monthly expenses report? | 01:18 |
| wazd | VDVsx: I've made a 1.09 build | 01:18 |
| Damion2 | Caesium: it's on google | 01:18 |
| Caesium | 23:17 <Slimey> 11:17pm up 3868 day(s), 10:49, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.02 | 01:18 |
| ptl | and can compare supermarkets and such | 01:18 |
| VDVsx | wazd, changelog ? :D | 01:18 |
| wazd | VDVsx: can you please make some shots with it? :) | 01:18 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: well, menu arrow works, agenda view fixed I hope | 01:18 |
| VDVsx | wazd, my device is charging atm, but I can make some later | 01:19 |
| wazd | VDVsx: ah, ok | 01:19 |
| Damion2 | so over 10.5 yrs I stand corrected | 01:19 |
| VDVsx | wazd, less than a hour, I guess | 01:19 |
| wazd | VDVsx: n900 can't charge and make screenshots same time? :D Where's all that multitasking magic I heard about? :D | 01:19 |
| VDVsx | wazd, no,lol | 01:19 |
| Damion2 | Caesium: wait. how can slikmey still ssh in? | 01:19 |
| Caesium | he got it off bb I think | 01:20 |
| Damion2 | crashanddie: okay it's a year behind | 01:20 |
| ptl | ...no? | 01:20 |
| ptl | don't you guys shop with N900? | 01:20 |
| ptl | Ok, let's change the question. Do you have a bar reader application like in Android? | 01:20 |
| VDVsx | wazd, It can, but I used to turn off devices when charging, bad habit :D | 01:20 |
| wazd | VDVsx: if you'll fake some agenda view - that would be cool | 01:20 |
| Damion2 | Caesium: you have oldernokias with ovi navigation? | 01:20 |
| ptl | No again? | 01:21 |
| VDVsx | ptl, there's one, but unfinished | 01:21 |
| Caesium | don't think so, only have E51 and E90 | 01:21 |
| Caesium | E90 is broken and E51 is for ah-fuck-I-need-a-phone emergencies | 01:21 |
| ptl | The good point is that there are nice niches to fill then. | 01:21 |
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| ptl | VDVsx: what's the name? Is it available via apt-get? | 01:21 |
| VDVsx | ptl, err, mbarcode | 01:21 |
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| VDVsx | its in Extras-devel at least | 01:22 |
| ptl | k | 01:22 |
| * Caesium had the misfortune of having to use Ovi Maps on N900 in the wild yesterday and today | 01:22 | |
| wazd | VDVsx: also screenshots of menu arrow, e-mail notifications and all that calendar stuff would be great :) | 01:22 |
| ptl | as soon as I finish downloading qtmobiledemo-shoplist I'll apt-cache search it | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ptl, Shopper, but it's not out yet. | 01:22 |
| Caesium | how appallingly awful. is it not at all possible to delete/modify the default "points of interest" ? | 01:22 |
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| ptl | GeneralAntilles: is it in beta? is it open source? | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ptl, lbt is just being a slow asshole. | 01:23 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, can't help with mail, I don't use modest, so don't have any account there :D | 01:23 |
| VDVsx | and I don't want to use it :D | 01:23 |
| ptl | the point being, I was a developer in my last job a few years ago, and I want to get in touch with development again by writing some N900 apps. | 01:23 |
| Damion2 | Caesium: tried google maps in the browser with the gps plugin? | 01:24 |
| ptl | so if I don't find some interesting applications that do something, I'll write my own | 01:24 |
| VDVsx | ptl, yes shopper is OSS | 01:24 |
| VDVsx | same for mbarcode | 01:24 |
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| Caesium | Damion2: yes, but again can't save waypoints so not much better | 01:24 |
| Caesium | and can't zoom? | 01:24 |
| Caesium | so it's a bit limited | 01:24 |
| VDVsx | ptl, but we need a advanced shooper app :D | 01:24 |
| Damion2 | you sure? it's the same as the desktop | 01:24 |
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| Damion2 | ahh you're using the iphone version | 01:24 |
| lcuk | tracy needs specialist app for shoe shopping | 01:25 |
| Caesium | iirc, might have another play sometimes | 01:25 |
| Caesium | think I was trying the /m one? | 01:25 |
| wazd | VDVsx: meh :) | 01:25 |
| lcuk | it needs to make a whining noise everytime the credit card is pulled out | 01:25 |
| Damion2 | yeah | 01:25 |
| ptl | lol | 01:25 |
| pwnguin | stupid idea of the day | 01:26 |
| pwnguin | cellphones have vibration motors and some have accellerometers | 01:26 |
| iPeter- | Hey | 01:27 |
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| pwnguin | data communication line! | 01:27 |
| iPeter- | What program you guys suggest for avi conveter to get good vids to n900 -> to tv | 01:27 |
| ptl | data communication line with vibration motors and accelerometers? how? | 01:28 |
| lcuk | pwnguin, in onedotzero i used to send shake and rumble streams over the wifi, its entirely practical | 01:28 |
| lcuk | and is being considered for many things | 01:28 |
| pwnguin | lcuk: no no, use the rumble as a communication channel | 01:29 |
| Damion2 | ipeter: I was wondering the same. I have a dvcam which can record from composite also a bttv vid.capure device in a pc | 01:29 |
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| lcuk | pwnguin, yes i know exactly what you mean | 01:30 |
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| iPeter- | Hmph, i would need a converter now :I | 01:30 |
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| lcuk | iPeter-, i have unforgivably stopped transcoding nowadays | 01:31 |
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| lcuk | i had a thought about doing it in the past, but i never have the time when i need to copy things on | 01:31 |
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| lcuk | i wanted to find best quality/battery life ratio | 01:31 |
| iPeter- | Okay. | 01:32 |
| lcuk | so if you do find out, please up it somewhere lol | 01:32 |
| pwnguin | its completely impractical | 01:32 |
| lcuk | pwnguin, what is? | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | sending a data stream over the wire? | 01:33 |
| pwnguin | using vibrators and sensors to communicate data | 01:33 |
| newbie005 | is there such an application that will record and playback with a delay that I can specify ? | 01:33 |
| lcuk | newbie005, dictaphone style? | 01:33 |
| * lcuk would also like one of those too | 01:33 | |
| newbie005 | well a cam-corder | 01:33 |
| lcuk | use camera button to record | 01:33 |
| ShadowJK | pwnguin: 10 bits per sec or so max I'd think :) | 01:34 |
| lcuk | newbie005, yeah, its the generic camera app.. | 01:34 |
| newbie005 | like if I wanted to see the back of my head, I could turn it on then wait then look | 01:34 |
| lcuk | pwnguin, i sent over an accelerometer stream perfectly well | 01:34 |
| lcuk | see onedotzero videos for more | 01:34 |
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| lcuk | its not rocket science | 01:34 |
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| lcuk | hell, wiimotes do it over bt | 01:34 |
| Caesium | lcuk: you've missed his point twice now ;) | 01:34 |
| newbie005 | thanks | 01:34 |
| Caesium | lcuk: he is saying have two phones touching each other, using the vibrator in one, and the acceleremoter in the other, and have one feel what the other is doing | 01:35 |
| Caesium | thus communicating. | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | the other direction | 01:35 |
| newbie005 | a speaker/mic communication would be useful | 01:35 |
| lcuk | oh, thats different again, but bumping does it | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | how about bluetooth | 01:35 |
| lcuk | it passes on data | 01:35 |
| lcuk | and this does it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 01:35 |
| newbie005 | I could transfere a file without a wire | 01:35 |
| VDVsx | wazd, ok, gonna update :D | 01:35 |
| lcuk | doesnt have to be from another phone tho | 01:36 |
| lcuk | its better just having it remote tho and send over shakes from one to the other | 01:36 |
| lcuk | Nporn | 01:36 |
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| newbie005 | another thing I'd like is a website, showing new apps coming out of testing | 01:37 |
| iPeter- | Any free program to convert avi's resolutions | 01:37 |
| newbie005 | ffmpeg? | 01:37 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx :D | 01:38 |
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| iPeter- | With gui and for windows. | 01:38 |
| newbie005 | there is one called smart converter | 01:39 |
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| newbie005 | I think,, smart something | 01:39 |
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| newbie005 | but ffmpeg is better | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | welcome | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | i've bought n900 today | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | "welcome"? | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | you're not supposed to say that | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | you're not welcoming us to your world :P | 01:40 |
| mtnbkr | lol | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | well | 01:40 |
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| jacekowski | i have questions | 01:40 |
| Damion2 | why not? it's polite | 01:40 |
| iPeter- | newbie005: but ffmpeg doesnt have graphical user interface. | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | "hello" | 01:40 |
| newbie005 | no, not at all, I found smart on wikipedia | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | is there a ssh client for it? | 01:41 |
| newbie005 | it was drag drop and supported ipod and various other stuff | 01:41 |
| mtnbkr | jacekowski: yep and server | 01:41 |
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| crashanddie | jacekowski: just install openssh-client | 01:41 |
| Damion2 | iPeter-: which means it's easier to automate, control remoltely and is more efficient | 01:41 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: how? | 01:41 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: application manager? | 01:41 |
| ShadowJK | enable maemo.org catalogue :) | 01:41 |
| mtnbkr | crashanddie: isn't it in testing or one of the non-stadard repos? | 01:41 |
| iPeter- | Hmm | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | mtnbkr: no | 01:42 |
| Damion2 | it's just in extras | 01:42 |
| newbie005 | jacekowski: get gainroot then you can use apt-get | 01:42 |
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| crashanddie | mtnbkr: it's in extras | 01:42 |
| RichiH_fosdem | am i right in assuming that a .deb created for fremantle will not work on a stock n810? | 01:42 |
| VDVsx | pr 1.1 has extras enabled by defaulr | 01:42 |
| xorAxAx | s/b end | 01:42 |
| Damion2 | which from 1.1 is default enabled | 01:42 |
| xorAxAx | s,.*,, | 01:42 |
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| RichiH_fosdem | also, should i switch to Mer or is Maemo 4 still the preferred choice for the n810? | 01:42 |
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| crashanddie | RichiH_fosdem: it will work, the deb itself can be forced to install, however dependencies might fail | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | richih_fosdem: fremantle debs wont work on chinook/diablo | 01:43 |
| iPeter- | newbie005: So do you have a idea what program should i download | 01:43 |
| RichiH_fosdem | crashanddie: i have half a dozen dnagling ones, yes :/ | 01:43 |
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| newbie005 | iPeter-: yeah I forgot, it was completely impossible to find the download link on the website,, just a second... {not being a smart-butt another website I had found had directions...} | 01:45 |
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| jacekowski | any other things that are worth to know? | 01:46 |
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| mtnbkr | jacekowski: get Angry Birds :) | 01:47 |
| VDVsx | jacekowski, are you running the last FW, make sure of that :) | 01:47 |
| VDVsx | yes Angry birds :D | 01:47 |
| newbie005 | iPeter: my apologies it's called Super at http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html | 01:47 |
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| pwnguin | psh angry birds | 01:47 |
| pwnguin | lemme tell you about sgt-puzzles | 01:47 |
| crashanddie | RichiH_fosdem: let me clarify that, the deb itself will probably work, however the glibc or other library versions might be completely out of sync | 01:48 |
| newbie005 | iPeter: try this site: http://www.erightsoft.com/S6Kg1.html | 01:48 |
| pwnguin | it is awesome | 01:48 |
| jacekowski | VDVsx: i've updated it using app manager | 01:48 |
| jacekowski | VDVsx: that 90MB update | 01:48 |
| newbie005 | iPeter: you have to click a link to download from the first site I gave you, this link brings you to another page, a total of 3 links before you get to the exe | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | and - how incompatible with vanilia linux is it ( besides of different CPU ) | 01:49 |
| VDVsx | cool, so you are running PR 1.1 aka week 51 | 01:49 |
| newbie005 | iPeter: there is no hint that you are on a different page, or getting closer, ultimately it brings you to the following link which I believe will not work until you go through the hassle http://www.erightsoft.org/GetFile.php?SUPERsetup.exe | 01:50 |
| newbie005 | this program has an ugly gui, but does everything, (including nintendo ds movies) | 01:50 |
| newbie005 | also it uses ffmpeg (and mencoder) | 01:51 |
| VDVsx | wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/4331448334/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/4330707963/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/4330707195/ | 01:51 |
| VDVsx | let me know if you need more stuff | 01:51 |
| newbie005 | jacekowski: how incompatible? it is linux just slightly older. not 2.6.31 | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | well, X? | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | normall gnu libc? | 01:52 |
| Damion2 | yeah | 01:52 |
| VDVsx | jacekowski, yes, it runs X, | 01:52 |
| VDVsx | jacekowski, its stock linux | 01:53 |
| Damion2 | busybox utils rather than stock fileutils and psutils | 01:53 |
| Damion2 | that's coreutils these days now I think | 01:53 |
| VDVsx | but you can have coreutils | 01:53 |
| VDVsx | :D | 01:53 |
| Damion2 | but you can install these, they just eat up disk | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | and what's with that 2G avaliable for applications? | 01:53 |
| VDVsx | you can install windows and MAC, so :D | 01:53 |
| newbie005 | iPeter-: did you get it? | 01:53 |
| wazd | VDVsx: cool, ta | 01:54 |
| Damion2 | jacekowski: you can repartition | 01:54 |
| VDVsx | wazd, I don't like the arrow color :D | 01:54 |
| jacekowski | that's good idea - qemu with x86 emulation | 01:54 |
| ShadowJK | it's 256M /, 2gig /home /opt | 01:54 |
| Damion2 | however 2GB isn't that bad especially with data on the the larger noexec partition | 01:54 |
| wazd | VDVsx: why? :) | 01:54 |
| newbie005 | yeah I'm totally going to install Windows Vista on mine so I can listen to mp3's | 01:55 |
| Damion2 | jacekowski: I'm workong on that | 01:55 |
| Damion2 | jacekowski: I've not see anyone run qemu in the usermode linuxy style yet | 01:55 |
| iPeter- | newbie005: I got some crappy convert programs, cant think im so tired. Argh :D | 01:55 |
| VDVsx | wazd, dunno very whiteee, probably I used to the blue one :D | 01:55 |
| Damion2 | I've gogt the crosscompile env set up today | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | Damion2: qemu can work in usermode with full software cpu emulation | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | Damion2: they did it on psp | 01:56 |
| wazd | VDVsx: isn't it supposed to be same color as font? :) | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | Damion2: and on other platforms | 01:56 |
| Damion2 | jacekowski: yeah I just said that :) | 01:56 |
| wazd | VDVsx: and DIIIIIEEEE!!!!111 anyway :D | 01:56 |
| newbie005 | iPeter-: that program will work pretty nicely, but good luck finding the download link. I'm not sure what the deal is with that website | 01:56 |
| Damion2 | I mean I've not seen anyone compile it for maemo5 yet | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | i'm thinking about iphone compatibility layer | 01:56 |
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| Damion2 | I assume it'll just be a ./configure option when I build it | 01:57 |
| Damion2 | I want to do dalvik | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | is there any decent navigation application avaliable? | 01:57 |
| * VDVsx cancels wazd 's DHL package | 01:57 | |
| wazd | VDVsx: :( ((( | 01:57 |
| Damion2 | jacekowski: I think a $$$ one is due any day | 01:57 |
| newbie005 | javekowski: in my experiance the gps does not work | 01:57 |
| Damion2 | newbie005: it's okay for me | 01:58 |
| ShadowJK | the a-gps doesn't seem to work through tmobile atleast | 01:58 |
| wazd | VDVsx: I'm so rich that I use DHL to send an e-mail :D | 01:58 |
| VDVsx | wazd, no, in the stock theme is blue, is suppose to be the same color as the task switcher and close button | 01:58 |
| newbie005 | Damion2: any tips? like leave it outside for 3 hours? | 01:58 |
| VDVsx | I guess | 01:58 |
| Damion2 | newbie005: put a sim in | 01:58 |
| ShadowJK | and you need internet connectivity and to be outdoors | 01:58 |
| newbie005 | is it t-mobile? | 01:58 |
| newbie005 | I have t-mobile | 01:58 |
| Damion2 | it's a bug not working without agps | 01:59 |
| iPeter- | I finally found the real link :D | 01:59 |
| newbie005 | could it be that I need to tell t-mobile that I use gps? | 01:59 |
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| Damion2 | my wireless worked just outside thehuse | 01:59 |
| newbie005 | Damion2: if you mean the network location thing, I always had both enabled | 01:59 |
| Damion2 | house | 01:59 |
| ShadowJK | there's a bugreport about it. Not sure if nokia's agps server is at fault, or if tmoile is interfering/blocking some types of internet traffic. | 01:59 |
| ShadowJK | but apparently it works, atleast for now, if you change supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com... | 02:00 |
| newbie005 | I read the bugreport,, I think. It just said to enable that networking thing and wait longer | 02:00 |
| newbie005 | it didn't work for me | 02:00 |
| Damion2 | hmm | 02:00 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: what about gray? | 02:00 |
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| newbie005 | I might have failed on the waiting | 02:01 |
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| Damion2 | there is a h/ware command which might contain gps output | 02:01 |
| Damion2 | it shows battery. let me see if I can find it | 02:01 |
| VDVsx | wazd, yeah, like the close button :D :D | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | Damion2: so someone was doing tests today and couldn't reproduce the failurw without agps. There's an open bug requesting more detailed information from people experiencing the bug, however so far people only whine and have not followed the instructions for gathering more information. I can only guess that it's not really that important for them ;-) | 02:02 |
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| Damion2 | well I have network and it kinda worksfor me and I cba testing sans sim | 02:03 |
| Damion2 | oh but ovi on my n97 is broken | 02:04 |
| Damion2 | the up.date app installed the new one with free nav | 02:04 |
| Damion2 | but it seems to only want gprs for doing agps | 02:04 |
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| Damion2 | but my sim is in my n900, I have good wifi around | 02:05 |
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| Damion2 | anyone have any idea what's up? | 02:05 |
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| ShadowJK | it's like you say, it wants gprs :) | 02:06 |
| Caesium | does it not use the cells it can see? | 02:06 |
| ShadowJK | Well there are two things, it looks at the CellID of the cell it's talking to, and queries a database over internet if that cell's location would be known | 02:07 |
| wazd | VDVsx: ready for one more update? :D | 02:07 |
| Damion2 | ShadowJK: why? some licencing thing? | 02:08 |
| wazd | VDVsx: cause agenda view is still screwed :) | 02:08 |
| ShadowJK | and then it also downloads satellite data, and from its approximate position it knows what satellites are overhead in the sky | 02:08 |
| VDVsx | wazd, sure | 02:08 |
| ShadowJK | why what? | 02:08 |
| Damion2 | agps uses a gps and internet connection gprs cellid stuff shouldn't be needed | 02:08 |
| ShadowJK | it uses cellid to estimate your location | 02:09 |
| ShadowJK | which is needed for agps | 02:09 |
| Damion2 | well google maps simply started to see satellites | 02:09 |
| ShadowJK | on N810 it just assumed you were near where you last used gps | 02:09 |
| VDVsx | wazd, gtg now, but bbl (~40 min) | 02:09 |
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| ShadowJK | ask Nokia Care why it wont download over wifi | 02:10 |
| wazd | VDVsx: ok, I'll clean the mess up meanwhile | 02:10 |
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| jacekowski | that FM radio | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | does it have RDS? | 02:14 |
| Damion2 | 0845! **ckers | 02:14 |
| Damion2 | I'll call from work tomorrow | 02:14 |
| openstandards | hi there I've just gotten myself a n900 and having problems with the sip client I believe theres no packets being sent however I can't find tcpdump in any of the repos | 02:14 |
| Damion2 | of course the real evil are uk mobile operators for charging a premium on local/cheap 08xx numbers | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | it's not in sdk tools? | 02:15 |
| jacekowski | 08xx don't work at all in some countries | 02:15 |
| jacekowski | on mobiles | 02:15 |
| Damion2 | well they'll have their own nokia care numbers presumably | 02:16 |
| openstandards | Damion2, i disagree i've dealt with worse than british operators... try america and ireland they get charged for recieving and transmitting calls | 02:16 |
| Xisdibik | wazd: you made a mess? | 02:16 |
| Damion2 | oh yeah charged for receiving text in usa made me furious | 02:16 |
| Xisdibik | Damion2: where are you from? | 02:17 |
| * Caesium found tcpdump without needing any exotic repos apart from extras/extras-testing, don't think its in sdk or tools | 02:17 | |
| jacekowski | yeah | 02:17 |
| jacekowski | american operators are bad | 02:17 |
| Lumpio- | ok, maybe it wasn't a good idea to install those semi-experimental mscim packages afterall | 02:17 |
| Damion2 | Xisdibik: uk | 02:17 |
| jacekowski | and expensive | 02:17 |
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| openstandards | thanks Caesium | 02:17 |
| Xisdibik | Damion2: its pretty normal in the US, to get charged for texting while roaming, 25cents to recieve 35 cents to send, unless you have a SMS bundle, which then counts for recieving but still not sending | 02:17 |
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| Lumpio- | It would seem that even removing the packages doesn't restore the original input method | 02:18 |
| Caesium | openstandards: I would tell you which repo it was in but dpkg doesn't support that :( | 02:18 |
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| Damion2 | oh if i install it it'll say | 02:19 |
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| microlith | :( I almost wonder if people installing directly from.deb files were previously winmo users | 02:19 |
| Damion2 | Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free tcpdump 4.0.0-1 [394kB] | 02:19 |
| openstandards | hmm | 02:20 |
| Damion2 | hmm | 02:20 |
| Damion2 | that doesn't sound right | 02:20 |
| microlith | Lumpio-: the ones from kimitake_idle didn't give me any fits after removal | 02:20 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: well, I'm hacking around calendar overwhaul | 02:20 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: agenda view is kinda weird | 02:20 |
| microlith | though I don't think they supported anything but JP so that may not be relevant to you :/ | 02:20 |
| Caesium | Damion2: that doesn't tell you enough | 02:21 |
| Lumpio- | Actually that's what I'm looking for | 02:21 |
| Damion2 | indeed | 02:21 |
| Xisdibik | wazd: ah, i suggest hacking in multiple calender sync support ;) | 02:21 |
| Lumpio- | Infact right now I'd be satisfied to get /any/ virtual keyboard back | 02:21 |
| Damion2 | I installed polipo | 02:21 |
| spectre- | goddamnit any calendar sync would do | 02:21 |
| spectre- | other than exchange | 02:21 |
| * LinuxCode facepalms | 02:21 | |
| jebba | 2.6.28-omap1-jebba10-g5a58882 works | 02:21 |
| LinuxCode | I fixed my n810 gps issues | 02:21 |
| microlith | Lumpio-: I hvae you rebooted? | 02:21 |
| microlith | blah | 02:21 |
| Damion2 | it said the same but needs gnu grep rather than busybox | 02:21 |
| LinuxCode | the hardware clock wasnt equal to what ntpd was setting | 02:22 |
| LinuxCode | doh! | 02:22 |
| spectre- | we need funambol support and opensync | 02:22 |
| spectre- | etc | 02:22 |
| Damion2 | jebba: you've just got a working 1.1 booting? | 02:22 |
| Lumpio- | microlith: yep | 02:22 |
| * LinuxCode will now forever stop bitching about the gps in the N810 | 02:22 | |
| microlith | Lumpio-: weird, and all of the packages are gone? | 02:22 |
| Lumpio- | At least the application manage app doesn't see anything mscim* related | 02:22 |
| microlith | hmm | 02:23 |
| microlith | that package set interfering with the virtual keyboard was known, and there was some resolution for it | 02:23 |
| spectre- | is there a cups implementation for the 900? | 02:23 |
| spectre- | i want to hook up to network printers | 02:23 |
| Lumpio- | I know it interferes with it. It replaces it. | 02:23 |
| spectre- | and such | 02:23 |
| Lumpio- | However I was pretty sure it was supposed to restore the original one when it's uninstalled | 02:24 |
| microlith | Lumpio-: huh | 02:24 |
| spectre- | hello? | 02:24 |
| microlith | must've been a different package set then | 02:24 |
| spectre- | :p | 02:24 |
| microlith | spectre-: none that I've seen | 02:24 |
| SWFu | no cups no | 02:24 |
| spectre- | anyone know if something like that is in progress? | 02:25 |
| t-tan | jebba: congrats! so it works for you too now? why did you need to change postinst? | 02:25 |
| Lumpio- | oo neat, I can get it to pop up via gconf over SSH >_> | 02:25 |
| Lumpio- | Not very usable though. | 02:25 |
| microlith | heh | 02:25 |
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| microlith | hmm | 02:27 |
| jebba | t-tan: they have a new way of flashing the kernel so postinst needed changes | 02:27 |
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| microlith | Lumpio-: seems I have the same issue, as the vkbd won't pop up in the notes app with the slide clsosed | 02:28 |
| microlith | closed* | 02:28 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: have you installed 1.09 btw? | 02:28 |
| t-tan | t-tan: I simply replaced rx51_def_config from the PR1.1 original source with my own config | 02:28 |
| jebba | Damion2: ya, i just got a PR1.1 kernel rebuilt. I followed up in this thread with some info: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43420 | 02:28 |
| Lumpio- | meh | 02:29 |
| Lumpio- | I wonder where the input method settings are | 02:29 |
| jebba | t-tan: i needed to bring *my* postinst in line with the new one. | 02:29 |
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| Lumpio- | gconf lets me change the input method, but all that does is pop up whatever you set it to immediately | 02:29 |
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| t-tan | jebba: how does your postinst differ from the original? | 02:30 |
| jebba | right now i dont think it does ;) | 02:31 |
| jebba | i just have a separate debian/ dir that I copy over and i didn't update that file | 02:31 |
| Damion2 | jebba: did something flash the bootloading firmware of the n900 hardware so that after upgrading nobody could do their own kernels until this prerelease was released? | 02:31 |
| jebba | Damion2: this explains it https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 | 02:32 |
| povbot | Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found | 02:32 |
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| jacekowski | is it possible to make it work in portrait mode? | 02:33 |
| t-tan | jebba: do you know whether optimisation for speed (-O2) works? default is -Os | 02:33 |
| jacekowski | it works | 02:34 |
| Damion2 | jebba: do you know if a 2.6.>30 kernel can work and use the firmware blobs okay? | 02:34 |
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| pupnik | blob! | 02:35 |
| qwer | can most android apps run on maemo? | 02:35 |
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| jebba | t-tan: haven't tried -O2 | 02:36 |
| jebba | Damion2: 2.6.30> won't work because no touchscreen (and probably other issues) | 02:36 |
| wazd | qwer: no | 02:36 |
| t-tan | jebba: ok. I'm just reflashing with -O2. let's see... | 02:36 |
| jebba | cool. Would be interesting to benchmark | 02:36 |
| qwer | why, isn't a lot of android stuff already ported to linux? | 02:36 |
| wazd | qwer: you don't beleive me or you have a proper experience to change it? :) | 02:37 |
| jebba | qwer: android is java, not really "linux". So maemo would need a java interpreter that can use android apps. | 02:37 |
| Damion2 | jebba: there are specific drivers in .28 that can't be pushed in to .30+ ? | 02:37 |
| jebba | drivers/input/touchscreen/tsc2005.c | 02:37 |
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| Lumpio- | hm! | 02:38 |
| t-tan | jebba: yes. -O2 works. and it's 10x faster ;-) | 02:38 |
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| jebba | really? I mean really faster? | 02:39 |
| Lumpio- | This looks promising | 02:39 |
| t-tan | jebba: just kidding | 02:39 |
| jebba | damn. | 02:39 |
| jebba | i want 10x faster ;) | 02:39 |
| t-tan | jebba: but we need some benchmarks | 02:39 |
| jebba | boot time would be a good one | 02:39 |
| jebba | though -OS may win that | 02:39 |
| Damion2 | okay, and that won't compile ? | 02:40 |
| t-tan | the lastest version incl source is now in my repository (see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43420) | 02:40 |
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| Damion2 | jebba: I either try to get older drivers working or backport the wifi infrastructure stuff down | 02:41 |
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| jebba | Damion2: there was a post in December or November or so of a more recent tsc2005.c | 02:42 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | sorry, X died | 02:42 |
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| qwer | my question was that since more android stuff is being ported to linux, if soon most apps will work on maemo... | 02:42 |
| jebba | Damion2: perhaps ask on maemo-devel where more recent drivers are. I think they are trying to get them mainlined. It would be nice in the interim if they just made them public., | 02:43 |
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| jebba | qwer: android is java, not really "linux". So maemo would need a java interpreter that can use android apps. | 02:43 |
| qwer | okay, and no one has started working on one yet? | 02:43 |
| jebba | a java interpreter for maemo? Not that i've heard of qwer | 02:44 |
| Damion2 | qwer: I'm in a position to attempt it but lack time and ability | 02:44 |
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| Lumpio- | oo, I got my virtual keyboard back | 02:44 |
| qwer | damion2, in thoery, should it work just as well as android apps on android? | 02:44 |
| Damion2 | qwer: I think I can get a dalvik interpreter | 02:44 |
| qwer | or will all the features require lots of crazy work | 02:44 |
| Lumpio- | Now I just need to figure out what keeps overwriting my settings on reboot :I | 02:45 |
| Damion2 | display isn't x11 though so dunno how that works | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | it's dalvik not java | 02:45 |
| Damion2 | jebba: and just the older .c file dropped in the newer kernel tree and makefiles doesn't work? | 02:46 |
| t-tan | an openJDK port would be nice, too | 02:46 |
| jacekowski | how to copy .avi file to phone? | 02:46 |
| Damion2 | I looked at that today | 02:46 |
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| ShadowJK | there's a thread on tmo about n900 running java | 02:46 |
| qwer | scp and wifi, jaacekowski? | 02:46 |
| Damion2 | openjdk download page is a tab on my work desktop firefox | 02:46 |
| jebba | Damion2: you could give it a try, but i doubt it. | 02:47 |
| jacekowski | what about usb? | 02:47 |
| t-tan | ShadowJK: yes, SunJDK works, but it's closed and time-limited | 02:47 |
| Damion2 | they might havde changes loads of kernel structure around it | 02:47 |
| openstandards | t-tan, what about openjdk? | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski: if nothing on the device is acessing MyDocs at the time, choosing mass storage mode when it asks will make the vfat partition appear as a usb-mass-storage drive on your pc | 02:48 |
| jacekowski | well, i'm using windows at the moment | 02:49 |
| jacekowski | and i connect it | 02:49 |
| t-tan | openstandards: In theory it should work, too. someone should port the latest lenny/lucid version to get a decent JIT. but it has lots of dependencies... | 02:49 |
| qwer | are android apps bound to run much slower without the android os? | 02:49 |
| jacekowski | android apps are bound to run slow | 02:50 |
| jacekowski | becuase they are running trough shitty vm | 02:50 |
| qwer | oh | 02:50 |
| openstandards | i can't actually think of any decent android apps.... | 02:50 |
| qwer | you mean on maemo, right? | 02:50 |
| jacekowski | that's not using jazzele | 02:50 |
| jacekowski | no | 02:50 |
| jacekowski | on android as well | 02:50 |
| qwer | oh | 02:50 |
| ShadowJK | jazelle is worthless | 02:50 |
| qwer | what about comparing the two | 02:50 |
| jacekowski | all android apps run in dalvik vm | 02:50 |
| SWFu64 | google maps would be good | 02:50 |
| qwer | theyll run about equally fast? | 02:50 |
| jacekowski | qwer: there should be no difference really | 02:51 |
| qwer | oh | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | SWFu64, you can't run Google Maps. | 02:51 |
| qwer | that would be awesome | 02:51 |
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| jacekowski | ShadowJK: when i connect it in storage mode i get 2 drives with No Media on them | 02:51 |
| qwer | what about all of the hardware features? | 02:51 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: jazelle isn't worthless | 02:52 |
| ShadowJK | well it doesn't really exist on A8 anyway | 02:52 |
| jacekowski | java vm's using jazelle runs at least 30% faster | 02:52 |
| ScribbleJ | Are a lot of you people staying on PR1 'till PR1.2 is out? | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 02:52 |
| ScribbleJ | Hrm... I'm about to try downgrading due to my total inability to get a PR1.1 kernel to boot. | 02:53 |
| ScribbleJ | Granted, the problem is likely me. | 02:53 |
| wazd | anyone with OMWeather installed and ready to blow his n900? :) | 02:53 |
| Lumpio- | Anyone know what hildon-input-method-configurator does exactly? (Where does it get its settings from) | 02:53 |
| Damion2 | jebba: that bug doesn't explain why a kernel built for 1.0 can be flashed but 1.1 can't. these are just a cimpiled zImage and the way to flash can be done via flasher yeah? | 02:54 |
| ifreq | http://deviate.fi/n900/mp3blaster/mp3blaster.png | 02:54 |
| qwer | the n900 looks awesome, but I'm told 'it doesnt have the support' due to not running android apps... | 02:54 |
| ScribbleJ | I'm not jebba! | 02:54 |
| qwer | also, what carriers are you guys with n900s using? | 02:54 |
| ScribbleJ | qwer, T-mobile. | 02:54 |
| Damion2 | ScribbleJ: and I'm not talking to you :) | 02:54 |
| ScribbleJ | Damion2, oh, hah. My bad. | 02:54 |
| ShadowJK | qwer: saunalahti | 02:54 |
| ShadowJK | (what a silly question) | 02:55 |
| t-tan | good night! | 02:56 |
| Damion2 | jebba: unless the upgrade changed the way the kernel exists in the various nand flash block devices and now a phone side fiasco thingy flashes on the device itself ? | 02:56 |
| VDVsx | wazd, re | 02:56 |
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| VDVsx | new stuff to test? | 02:56 |
| Damion2 | qwer: o2 | 02:56 |
| jebba | Damion2: i think you could still flash in PR1.1 with the "external" flasher-3.5 flasher | 02:56 |
| qwer | did nokia successfully prevent tmo from rebranding the n900? | 02:56 |
| Damion2 | jebba: but ppl didn't ? | 02:56 |
| jebba | dunno | 02:57 |
| qwer | o2? | 02:57 |
| jacekowski | qwer: yes | 02:57 |
| Damion2 | also, what carriers are you guys with n900s using? | 02:57 |
| jebba | Damion2: in postinst how it is flashed is different too | 02:57 |
| jacekowski | i've got unbranded t-mobile nokia from carphone warehouse | 02:57 |
| wazd | VDVsx: yep | 02:57 |
| jebba | Damion2: at&t in USA, Telecom Personal in argentina | 02:57 |
| jacekowski | without simlock | 02:57 |
| ScribbleJ | I think someone who isn't retarded could flash in a 1.1 kernel. That's not me, though. I can flash it on, boot it a little but the device always ends up powering down instead of reaching X11 | 02:57 |
| wazd | VDVsx: still waiting for armel to appear | 02:57 |
| Damion2 | jebba: sorry I was pasting qwer his question | 02:58 |
| jebba | ScribbleJ: sounds like it can't find it's modules perhaps | 02:58 |
| VDVsx | wazd, ah ok | 02:58 |
| ScribbleJ | jebba - happens even if I compile an -omap1 rx51_config kernel. | 02:58 |
| ScribbleJ | The /only/ kernel that boots for me is if I flash the one out of the Nokia install package. | 02:58 |
| jebba | how you installing? You sure /lib/modules is ok? | 02:58 |
| wazd | VDVsx: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-theme-marina/hildon-theme-marina_1.095_all.deb | 02:58 |
| ScribbleJ | I'm not sure, but it looks OK to me. | 02:58 |
| Damion2 | exact same name so modules dir works? correct crosscomile flags so the kernel is the right arm type? | 02:59 |
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| jebba | make sure the correct dirs are there and there are actually .kos in the dir | 02:59 |
| achipa | so... are Diablo builds on maemo.org officially deprecated or are just things FUBAR-d ? | 02:59 |
| jebba | foobar afaict | 02:59 |
| Damion2 | jebba: did you not try flashing via flasher? | 03:00 |
| Damion2 | yur fiasco on-phone success is great, but I'm still struggling to work this out | 03:01 |
| Xisdibik | wazd: 1.09 of what? | 03:01 |
| wazd | Xisdibik: Marina | 03:01 |
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| Xisdibik | dunno, ive updated it a few times | 03:02 |
| Xisdibik | sec, checking for updates now | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | grrrrrr | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | how to copy .avi file over usb to phone | 03:02 |
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| jacekowski | anybody? | 03:05 |
| sar3th | how to install perl? | 03:06 |
| shamus | like a thum drive | 03:06 |
| jebba | Damion2: i did not try flashing it with the flasher-3.5 before today with PR1.1, no. | 03:06 |
| Damion2 | jacekowski: if your pc didn't correctly see a drive then try rebooting | 03:06 |
| Damion2 | jebba: okay | 03:06 |
| ScribbleJ | You tried it today, jebba? | 03:06 |
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| Damion2 | jacekowski: if you attached via pc suite mode then get a usbnet driver for your os and then scp | 03:07 |
| sp3000 | timeless: I wrote a 36-line review of problems in that 36-line function ;) | 03:07 |
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| Damion2 | sar3th: mine came with perl I think | 03:07 |
| sp3000 | timeless: it's quite impressive really | 03:07 |
| sp3000 | (the code, that is) | 03:08 |
| sar3th | Damion2: actually, you're right :O :D | 03:08 |
| sar3th | thanks | 03:08 |
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| woglinde | someone with garage git here? | 03:11 |
| wizkoder_ | when I start scratchbox by clicking on the icon. how do I compile my code? Did this in the konsole with my last installation | 03:11 |
| wizkoder_ | ah. the icon starts xephyr. | 03:12 |
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| woglinde | damn I get 405 and 502 errors at pushing | 03:14 |
| wizkoder_ | sorry. just trying todo what the development guide says | 03:14 |
| VDVsx | wazd, updating, what shots you want now ? | 03:14 |
| wazd | VDVsx: just agenda view | 03:15 |
| VDVsx | ok | 03:15 |
| sar3th | is openssl preinstalled? | 03:15 |
| woglinde | Git access via SSH is under development. *sigh* | 03:16 |
| timeless | sp3000: thanks for pulling that in, clearly dinner got the better of me :( | 03:16 |
| Damion2 | sar3th: just type these things in! | 03:16 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: is that dinner is still growing somewhere? ;) | 03:17 |
| Damion2 | sar3th: openssl works for me but I may have installed something that pulled it in as a dependancy | 03:17 |
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| sp3000 | by now it might be quite formidable :D | 03:18 |
| * sp3000 & | 03:18 | |
| VDVsx | wazd, http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/4330861713/ | 03:19 |
| wazd | VDVsx: awesome :) | 03:20 |
| timeless | sp3000: i think that dinner was the pasta plaec | 03:20 |
| sp3000 | I ...must admit I don't recall, heh | 03:21 |
| uhsf | these flimsy screen protectors are trying to drive me insane, so I decided just not to use them | 03:21 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: are you satisfied with the arrow? :) | 03:21 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, yes :D | 03:22 |
| woglinde | hms okay fixed | 03:22 |
| wazd | VDVsx: fine :) | 03:22 |
| timeless | it's sad, but i think i do | 03:22 |
| woglinde | but really strange devname@vcs istn working | 03:22 |
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| xorAxAx | can somebody recommend a unittesting framework for C? | 03:23 |
| luke-jr | BASH! | 03:23 |
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| redeeman | xorAxAx: cunit | 03:27 |
| xorAxAx | did somebody try glib testing? | 03:28 |
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| zerojay | The greekradio package... is it just basically adding shortcuts to the streams in your media player or what? | 03:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Link? | 03:37 |
| zerojay | http://maemo.org/packages/view/greekiradio/ | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | "it was not clear what the app did until I saw 200 greek radio stations in the Media-Player. uninstalling the app should have removed them." | 03:39 |
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| zerojay | lol | 03:40 |
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| zerojay | Yeah, it's a python script that runs and inserts the stations. Hmm. | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, I've had steak and burgers and can't seem to remember to take out the N900. . . . | 03:41 |
| zerojay | I keep forgetting too. | 03:42 |
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| Xisdibik | wazd: btw, i didnt have 1.09, updating now | 03:42 |
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| zerojay | Would be cool to have a package install the di.fm stations. | 03:44 |
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| pupnik | huhu | 03:45 |
| zerojay | jeje | 03:45 |
| * zerojay mexican laugh? | 03:45 | |
| * timeless looks for people w/ too much time on their hands | 03:45 | |
| * GeneralAntilles runs. | 03:46 | |
| wazd | Xisdibik: there's 1.095 already in testing :) minor fix | 03:48 |
| Xisdibik | lol | 03:48 |
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| Xisdibik | well i have testing in, so i guess i should have that :P | 03:48 |
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| wizkoder_ | Let me ask different. how are xephyr and scratchbox connected. when I start the sdk with the icon I have a totally running system. how can I enter scartchbox then? when I say /scratchbox/login I get: permission denied | 03:50 |
| wizkoder_ | Please somebody help a beginner | 03:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't setup the scratchbox. | 03:51 |
| wazd | just type scratchbox | 03:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | I do know that xephyr is just a special X server designed for displaying small emulated device windows on youtr desktop | 03:51 |
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| wazd | wizkoder_: seriously, even I was able to set up scratchbox, and I'm a brainless designer :D | 03:52 |
| zerojay | He's not lying. ;) | 03:52 |
| * zerojay ducks for cover. | 03:52 | |
| wizkoder_ | Last time I always did newgrp and then /scratchbox/login. But it can't be that I have to do this all the time? | 03:53 |
| woglinde | *sigh* | 03:53 |
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| woglinde | slow upload | 03:53 |
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| wizkoder_ | start xserver. export display of the scratchbox. and then "af-sb-init.sh start". I want an icon that does everything | 03:55 |
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| wizkoder_ | Guess I got it :-) | 03:58 |
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| daniel_ | Hey B-man | 04:04 |
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| daniel_ | hey dude | 04:09 |
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| * wazd1 wonders if his poor 450W PB can handle 2nd 9800GT and Phenom X3... | 04:12 | |
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| uhsf | i just found a new purpose for my neo freerunner | 04:24 |
| uhsf | my freerunner will now serve as a step under my n900's kick stand so it's raised at the right angle | 04:25 |
| Pavel | uhsf: That's cold. | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | uhsf, I hear you can use it as an external battery pack, too. *g* | 04:32 |
| uhsf | with a usb cable i guess so, other good idea | 04:33 |
| uhsf | is there a use for the "pc suite" usb mode in linux? or should i always use the usm mode? | 04:33 |
| Pavel | uhsf: The question is, is there a "PC Suite" for Linux? | 04:33 |
| woglinde | puh | 04:33 |
| woglinde | push is through | 04:33 |
| woglinde | good nite | 04:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | uhsf, sure, if you want to tether. | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | (and not bottleneck on Bluetooth) | 04:34 |
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| uhsf | if i understand, there is no pc suite for linux, but the pc suite mode is used for usb networking in linux, like i did with my freerunner, which is more useful than usm mode, which i should keep for example to connect other people's pc to download files | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | PC Suite is a bit of a misnomer, unfortunately. | 04:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bat-level at 50% after 1h of UMTS and ~10h of WLAN, with irc and SIP and some GPS activity | 05:00 |
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| uhsf | i think that's good enough | 05:04 |
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| uhsf | i didn't experience battery life yet | 05:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah not exactly great but also not that bad | 05:17 |
| LinuxCode | 3g is a battery rapist | 05:18 |
| ScribbleJ | If I build with EXTRAVERSION=omap1-scribble1 then the modules should go in /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1-scribble1....right? | 05:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I wish it was possible to 'hot swap' bats. | 05:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Or at least suspend-disk to work | 05:18 |
| LinuxCode | there was an external battery pack for the N810 | 05:19 |
| LinuxCode | but the N900 now uses micro-usb to charge or ? | 05:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | LinuxCode: yes | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | a teeny stepup converter is easy though. | 05:19 |
| LinuxCode | as its an agreed standard now, ou should see external batteries soon | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | dealextreme.com has many | 05:20 |
| LinuxCode | if there arent ones already | 05:20 |
| LinuxCode | eheh | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | The quality may vary of course. | 05:20 |
| LinuxCode | does the N900 die when you put the cable and in and take the battery out ? | 05:20 |
| LinuxCode | -and | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | It does not die - but it turns off | 05:21 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 05:21 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.nokia :) | 05:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect genuine may mean something different in china though | 05:22 |
| LinuxCode | my n810 also goes off | 05:22 |
| LinuxCode | they dont know the meaning of genuine | 05:23 |
| uhsf | is the only way to enable rd mode to flash using --enable-rd-mode flag? | 05:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | powering via USB isn't optimized for efficiency | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | means you burn 50% of energy of the external bat | 05:28 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not a SMPS? | 05:28 |
| uhsf | do i have to reflash my n900 to enable rd mode? | 05:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Why do you want to? | 05:29 |
| uhsf | to use usb networking | 05:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 05:30 |
| uhsf | that's exactly what i was reading | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't see where it mentions rd | 05:31 |
| uhsf | first command in this howto is sudo gainroot, and it gives Enable RD mode if you want to break your device. | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~rootsh | 05:32 |
| infobot | well, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/, or http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/rootsh/ | 05:32 |
| uhsf | do you have rd mode enabled? | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | you don't need to | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | install rooths | 05:32 |
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| uhsf | i'm usually the kind of person that tweaks a lot of things, i hope i won't find that i needed rd mode once my maemo is all configured | 05:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm not aware of anything you actually need it for | 05:35 |
| SpeedEvil | You can - for example - change the window manager to mwm - without it. | 05:35 |
| uhsf | if i need rootsh to use usb networking but it's not installed by default, that means a wifi network is necessary to start with a n900 | 05:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | or gsm | 05:37 |
| uhsf | people without a wireless router must be annoyed by this | 05:37 |
| Dnab55 | hey guys, do you know is B-man is in here? | 05:37 |
| Dnab55 | Bman 17? | 05:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Or you can download the rootsh file, and copy it to mass sotrage | 05:37 |
| ScribbleJ | There are people without a wireless router? | 05:38 |
| ScribbleJ | Who knew? | 05:38 |
| Dnab55 | lol | 05:38 |
| ScribbleJ | That those people would have any intersection with the people who will pay $500 for a phone... | 05:38 |
| ScribbleJ | amazing, frankly! | 05:39 |
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| uhsf | i just think all these little steps to get usb networking are so lame. of course everyone will need rootsh just install it by default it's ridiculous | 05:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually it's ridiculous USB-networking needs rootsh | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | USB networking is a waste of time. | 05:50 |
| uhsf | you only use wifi? | 05:51 |
| uhsf | my n900 is plugged most of the time anyway | 05:51 |
| uhsf | better use usb | 05:51 |
| * luke-jr only uses wifi, except when playing with kernel stuff | 05:51 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | USB charging from bus power sucks | 05:52 |
| uhsf | why is plugging to wall socket better? | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | More than twice the amperage. | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | 500mA can't even charge the N900 under load. | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | N810 has an independent power source anyhow | 05:54 |
| uhsf | some kind of palm pre touchtone would be nice | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | I hear Google's next phone will have a keyboard <.< | 05:54 |
| uhsf | at home i only use wifi to split my internet bill with my neihbor | 05:54 |
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| luke-jr | though I'm currently pondering if it might make more sense to find a bluetooth kb I can make into a clamshell case, and put a kb-less phone in that | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | uhsf: don't Canadian ISPs prohibit that? | 05:55 |
| uhsf | yes just don't tell them | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | -.- | 05:57 |
| shamus | there is nothign wrong with barowign the nabers wifi | 05:58 |
| shamus | just be sure to put it back when your done ;-) | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | what are you going to do at your job, when it's policy of your company not to have wifi on their network? | 05:59 |
| shamus | hook up wifi outside the network? | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for "it's not charging on load with 500mA" - o.O so that load is of a kind that sucks battery to flat in ~2h | 06:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shamus: err, what? | 06:00 |
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| shamus | err brain fart | 06:00 |
| Dnab55 | hey bman | 06:01 |
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| b-man17 | hello Dnab55 :) | 06:04 |
| b-man17 | jump on #xceleo xD | 06:04 |
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| * DocScrutinizer notices quite a policy break from "users shouldn't have to worry about filesystem, so we cheat and show 'drives' and no homedir access' -- to "use rootsh if you need usb-networking" | 06:04 | |
| Arkenoi | Quite strange, but i do not see ussdpad in repositories, where is it? | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | -devel | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah pad isn't in repo | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=493831&postcount=121 and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=486843&postcount=101 | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: annoying but there's no clean package for a simple install | 06:08 |
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| uhsf | do you use vnc or just ssh? | 06:18 |
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| luke-jr | oh wow | 06:19 |
| * luke-jr just realized his Zaurus SL-C760 runs a newer kernel than his N810 <.< | 06:19 | |
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| uhsf | i'm looking for a convenient way to control my n900 with my keyboard/pointer. i use synergy between my workstation and notebook but there is no official port of synergy for the n900 | 06:20 |
| ScribbleJ | Well | 06:21 |
| uhsf | vnc seems much heavier on ressources for the same purpose | 06:21 |
| ScribbleJ | I use x2x on my desktop and I'm looking to use it on my n900 myself. | 06:21 |
| ScribbleJ | I haevn't gotten around to see whether it's somehting to easily port yet though. | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh -X foo ? | 06:22 |
| ScribbleJ | Actually, ssh -X doesn't Just Work | 06:22 |
| ScribbleJ | but I haven't looked to see why yet. | 06:22 |
| ScribbleJ | Too busy trying to build a kernel. | 06:22 |
| ScribbleJ | Hehe | 06:22 |
| shamus | ssh -x dosent work? | 06:22 |
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| ScribbleJ | Doesn't for me... apps started in X display on the phone. | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 06:23 |
| ScribbleJ | Yeah, I didn't say that right. | 06:23 |
| ScribbleJ | X apps I start from the ssh session display on the phone. | 06:24 |
| shamus | thats odd | 06:24 |
| ScribbleJ | I'm probably doing something retarded... usually am. | 06:24 |
| ScribbleJ | I think my big issue with my kernel came down to not running depmod on the new modules (?) | 06:25 |
| ScribbleJ | I offer that up as proof of my retardedness. | 06:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't worry - others try to ping their wallwart charger for 30 minutes XP | 06:26 |
| shamus | xd | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | well those cables could use different color plastics anyway | 06:27 |
| ScribbleJ | Oh man,... .. it's slow so I'll tell you how retarded I am. | 06:27 |
| ScribbleJ | (Mine do have different colored plastics, incidentally, the USB on has a grey part) | 06:28 |
| ScribbleJ | I was going to a important conference in another state and had to fly out in the morning, and didn't have a laptop so I ran out and bought one the night before at Fry's. Cheap. | 06:28 |
| ScribbleJ | I went home and spent a couple hours installing linux on it and starting to get it configured... | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | comparing them side by side and grabbing my torch I realize you're right | 06:28 |
| ScribbleJ | When it just stopped booting. | 06:29 |
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| ScribbleJ | Well, I had to fly out, nothing I could do - so I handed it off to one of our sales guys and told him to return it to Fry's, get a new one, and meet me at the conference with it. | 06:29 |
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| ScribbleJ | He calls me from Fry's. The technician there says it works fine. | 06:30 |
| ScribbleJ | Turns out it did work fine. I had never plugged it in. | 06:30 |
| ScribbleJ | That was about five years ago and the guys at the office /still/ won't let me live it down. | 06:31 |
| shamus | you mean they dont charg wirelessly ;-) | 06:31 |
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| ScribbleJ | hooray! I'm finally booting my own kernel. It's so difficult being retarded. | 06:43 |
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| luke-jr | ScribbleJ: congrats | 06:48 |
| ScribbleJ | Now I just need to find the userspace iptables / ip tools | 06:49 |
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| pupnik | huhu | 06:50 |
| uhsf | is MyDocs like my ~/ directory? | 06:50 |
| johnsu01 | what do I do about the fact that garage doesn't list maemo 5 as an option for tablet OS version? | 06:51 |
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| kamui__ | johnsu01, look for freemantle | 06:55 |
| johnsu01 | kamui__: only choices are OS200x | 06:55 |
| johnsu01 | and they stop at 8 | 06:56 |
| kamui__ | lame sauce | 06:56 |
| kamui__ | :) | 06:56 |
| uhsf | no wget? | 06:57 |
| uhsf | how to install wget? | 06:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | apt-get install wget ? | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 06:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rootsh apt-get install wget ? | 06:58 |
| kamui__ | isn't rootsh depreciated? | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 06:59 |
| kamui__ | no idea doc | 06:59 |
| uhsf | not all available packages are shown in app manager? | 06:59 |
| kamui__ | thought you had to use either root, or sudo gainroot | 06:59 |
| kamui__ | and sudo and rootsh don't work anymore (sudo without modification to sudoers) | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I always use 'root \r apt-foo doodle bla \r exit' | 07:00 |
| kamui__ | looney tunes | 07:00 |
| kamui__ | I would never type that on the N900 ;p | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | kamui__: you might be right | 07:00 |
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| chaoyi | Has anyone compiled aptitude or libept on freemantle? | 07:02 |
| kamui__ | dude, I just ran fennec full | 07:02 |
| kamui__ | its much faster than the last RC | 07:02 |
| kamui__ | it turns out all this time I thought I had the newest version | 07:02 |
| kamui__ | but I had both the beta repo and the final | 07:03 |
| kamui__ | what a botched update | 07:03 |
| kamui__ | I blame myself | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhsf: I've been tought you need shell to install apps you run in shell | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhsf: so wget probably not listed in HAM | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | though liq* apps install libliq foo, which in turn installs wget | 07:06 |
| uhsf | do i need libliq? | 07:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thus liqtorch needs some tens of MB, to display an empty white screen. My desktop bookmark to 'about:blank" does the same with maybe 30 bytes :-P - and it's faster too | 07:08 |
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| pupnik | liqtorch installs a whole framework of stuff iirc | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhsf: I don't know if you need libliq. For sure not for wget | 07:09 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, i'm routinely impressed with the size/dependencies of some of the apps | 07:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | liqtorch tops them all | 07:12 |
| pupnik | why mention it | 07:12 |
| ieatlint | how about the google latitude updater which requires 18.1mb | 07:12 |
| ieatlint | requires two qt libraries, libqt4-webkit and libqt4-phonon | 07:13 |
| ieatlint | pushes a bloated 6mb app up by 12mb | 07:13 |
| uhsf | Nokia-N900-51-1 is a pretty fugly hostname | 07:13 |
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| uhsf | is it easy to change username and hostname? | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: just because I was going "wtf where went wget??" when I deinstalled liqtorch | 07:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and uhsf was asking about wget | 07:14 |
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| uhsf | what white screen does liqtorch do? | 07:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so what I probably intended to say was "don't worry if wget is vanishing, that's just libliq" | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | bright white light to guide thru the night ;-P | 07:16 |
| uhsf | i thought the nokia white screen with the two hands during boot is kinda gay | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah I need to replace that one by something more geeky eventually | 07:19 |
| pupnik | using maps eats a fair amt of battery | 07:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp if you're on UMTS | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | which probably is the standard usecase | 07:23 |
| pupnik | going to 2G helps eh | 07:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you did tests to actually compare? | 07:27 |
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| * DocScrutinizer just curious about how much of a difference it actually makes | 07:28 | |
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| pupnik_ | i really dont like any media player | 07:31 |
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| pupnik_ | none pulls up a directory | 07:31 |
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| uhsf | how to change ssh password? | 07:33 |
| chaoyi | uhsf: passwd | 07:34 |
| uhsf | it's the same as user password? | 07:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you log in as user, then yes | 07:34 |
| uhsf | 'cause passwd told me user password can't be changed | 07:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | huh? | 07:35 |
| l7 | login as root to change it then | 07:35 |
| uhsf | i guess it needs rootsh | 07:35 |
| shamus | when you installed the ssh server it shoudl have prompted you for the new password | 07:35 |
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| shamus | or is ssh included by defiult on the n900 | 07:36 |
| uhsf | shamus: i know but i think i mistyped with the tiny keyboard and now i can't find what was mistyped | 07:36 |
| shamus | o.0 | 07:37 |
| shamus | ah that not good | 07:37 |
| chaoyi | uhsf: install rootsh \r sudo gainroot \r passwd | 07:37 |
| ScribbleJ | Exactly. | 07:38 |
| uhsf | ssh install needs a password confirmation like the cli has | 07:39 |
| shamus | yes the lack of a confirmation is anoying | 07:39 |
| uhsf | passwd seems to change the user password but not the ssh password | 07:41 |
| pupnik_ | bah gotta switch batteries | 07:41 |
| chaoyi | uhsf: passwd changed password for 'root', to change password for user, type 'passwd user' | 07:42 |
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| uhsf | ah, finally sshd to my n900 | 07:46 |
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| uhsf | i guess my error was taking the shift for that other function shift or vice versa | 07:47 |
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| pupnik_ | we should be able to ssh over bluetooth pairing | 07:48 |
| pupnik_ | who wants to work on that | 07:48 |
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| uhsf | count me out for working on bluetooth for linux | 07:48 |
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| kamui__ | damn it mugen | 07:49 |
| kamui__ | its february | 07:49 |
| kamui__ | still no extended battery | 07:49 |
| uhsf | unless maybe if you get the sony sisaxis controller working via bluetooth with the n900 i might be interested | 07:50 |
| kamui__ | hmm | 07:50 |
| kamui__ | I THOUGHT the 6axis was working | 07:50 |
| pupnik_ | i have one in backpack | 07:50 |
| kamui__ | same with wiimote | 07:50 |
| chaoyi | pupnik_: http://bit.ly/azAxRZ this might work | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is .ly ? | 07:51 |
| pupnik_ | ty chaoi | 07:51 |
| pupnik_ | id really like to get it integrated | 07:52 |
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| chaoyi | pupnik_: i haven't tried yet. I hope so too, like iphone | 07:52 |
| pupnik_ | so you just seek and pair, then click "network" | 07:53 |
| pupnik_ | was looking into avahi also | 07:53 |
| uhsf | lot of crappy dirs in / | 07:53 |
| pupnik_ | yeah | 07:54 |
| uhsf | /floppy? | 07:54 |
| chaoyi | feel free to remove /floppy | 07:56 |
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| uhsf | do you change user name and host name or you keep them defaults? | 07:57 |
| chaoyi | i think 'user' user name is hard coded in a lot of programs, so i doubt i can change that | 07:58 |
| uhsf | that sucks | 07:59 |
| uhsf | what's MyDocs? | 07:59 |
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| chaoyi | your vfat partition is mounted there | 08:00 |
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| uhsf | so it's all that's available when using ums usb mode | 08:01 |
| uhsf | so a fat partition makes for 27GB of my 32GB | 08:02 |
| uhsf | not that great | 08:03 |
| pupnik | if you are geek enough to need a linux partition then you are geek enough to make one? :) could be easier tho :) | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhsf: hostname isn't a problem to change | 08:04 |
| ShadowJK | the ext3 partition is mounted on /home, it's pretty impossible to kill all apps that access that, which would be a prerequisite to offering it over usb massstorage | 08:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nuke mass storage | 08:06 |
| chaoyi | ShadowJK: what would be the easiest way? boot alternative os from microsd? | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | chaoyi: for what exactly? | 08:07 |
| chaoyi | DocScrutinizer: like resize / partition | 08:07 |
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| uhsf | the microsd could be used for ums and they should have left the internal flash linux only | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't resize / part | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's NAND and exactly 256MB (minus bl etc partitions) | 08:08 |
| chaoyi | DocScrutinizer: oh right, it's 256m | 08:08 |
| chaoyi | DocScrutinizer: resize /opt partition maybe? | 08:09 |
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| uhsf | DocScrutinizer: i'm glad hostname isn't a problem to change | 08:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wish /opt was a partiton | 08:09 |
| uhsf | but i wish user name wasn't hard coded and could be changed | 08:09 |
| chaoyi | DocScrutinizer: /opt is symlinked to /home | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know | 08:11 |
| chaoyi | DocScrutinizer: to resize /dev/mmcblk0, is it best to use an alternative os from microsd | 08:11 |
| chaoyi | DocScrutinizer: i mean to resize partitions in /dev/mmcblk0 | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends | 08:12 |
| * Arkenoi actually never needed mass storage mode as scp is handy enough and it does not lock anything | 08:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as you manage to umount, I think you don't need another rootfs to boot from | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I said | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | nuke mass storage | 08:14 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: scp is slow | 08:15 |
| zash | tarpipe! | 08:15 |
| chaoyi | mass storage is best to transfer pc game to lab machines | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might want to enter something like sftp://user@192.168.1.31/home/user to Konqueror (or any other browser of your preference) | 08:17 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, well, if i was really concerned about speed, i'd use nfs. but i am not. | 08:17 |
| chaoyi | i'm glad to find out bluetooth has 200kB/s | 08:17 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h, btw have you noticed i've updated my russian n900 faq today? are there things worth mentioning i've missed? | 08:18 |
| chaoyi | anyone use ssh reverse tunneling here? | 08:20 |
| RST38h | yea | 08:21 |
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| RST38h | you should mention Maep | 08:21 |
| chaoyi | what is Maep? | 08:22 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: 2GB of video will take forever to copy via nfs or ssh | 08:22 |
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| uhsf | Couldn't find package screen? | 08:23 |
| chaoyi | RST38h: i have a microsd reader in my wallet | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | me too | 08:23 |
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| RST38h | and you all open your N900s, take cards out, write to them, put them back in, and close N900s just to weatch a video? | 08:25 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: what is it good for? | 08:25 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Maep? It is a better map application | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: either I watch a stream | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ...or my videos *are* on uSD already, so I'll have to swap anyway | 08:26 |
| uhsf | do i only need to edit the line in /etc/hostname to change hostname? | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 08:27 |
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| chaoyi | uhsf: add this repo 'deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free' for screen | 08:27 |
| Arkenoi | rst38: exactly what is better with it? | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Thanks for reminding me. Last flashing reset it | 08:28 |
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| uhsf | i shortened hostname to "N900" | 08:28 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Less bugs. Simpler UI. Works faster. | 08:28 |
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| Arkenoi | rst38h: i am still waiting for proper yandex traffic support in maemo-mapper | 08:30 |
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| uhsf | chaoyi: this line goes in /etc/apt/? | 08:31 |
| chaoyi | uhsf: put in a file in '/etc/apt/sources.list.d' | 08:32 |
| uhsf | my debian years seem a long time ago now | 08:32 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: You can write the author but I doubt it will ever happen. Yandex uses tile format incompatible with Maemo Mapper | 08:33 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Hence a specially hacked build | 08:33 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: BTW, MTS now offers two unlimited data plans | 08:33 |
| RST38h | (bandwidth capped) | 08:34 |
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| Arkenoi | rst38h: not going to change my phone number anyways :-( | 08:37 |
| RST38h | masochist =) | 08:37 |
| Arkenoi | well, maep is good map application, but it is just a map. search is basically broken and there is no route planning. but it is fast as hell! | 08:38 |
| uhsf | i kinda hate the hardcoded user name and MyDocs | 08:39 |
| Arkenoi | will write a line in the faq now | 08:39 |
| pupnik | i so need power. i cannot use n900 in a miserly fashion | 08:40 |
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| slonopotamus | lol? /var/lib/dpkg/info is 21mb. | 08:41 |
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| Arkenoi | rst38h: i guess there should be also a mapping application to use scanned raster military maps (here are damn many fans of those in Russia), do you know its name? | 08:44 |
| chaoyi | my laptop's is 7M | 08:44 |
| slonopotamus | chaoyi, that's from n900 :/ | 08:44 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: When walking around the place, Maep is priceless | 08:45 |
| chaoyi | slonopotamus: i checked too mine is also 21m | 08:45 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Well, there is none right now. Personally, I would love to have retromaps.ru connected to Maep or Maemo Mapper | 08:45 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: yep. if you are not going to search for nearby objects ;-) | 08:45 |
| Arkenoi | none? | 08:45 |
| Arkenoi | that's amazing | 08:45 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: But the Maep guy already refused saying he does not do local stuff | 08:45 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: ask shmuma then | 08:46 |
| slonopotamus | chaoyi, it seems a bit... too much | 08:46 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Not gonna to, I do not like what shmuma is doing | 08:46 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, what's wrong with it? | 08:47 |
| chaoyi | slonopotamus: 'dpkg -l | wc -l ' is 1744, my laptop only has like 200 | 08:47 |
| slonopotamus | ouch | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, sftp over wifi maxes out at 650KiB/s | 08:48 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: He is hacking some adhoc solution inside Maemo Mapper and does not care to promote those changes into the mainline version | 08:50 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: I prefer to use mainline. | 08:50 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: i was under the impression he has a reason to fork, maybe his changes were not accepted in the mainline? he says he changed *really* much | 08:51 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: The "correct" way would be to make a proxy server that transcodes Yandex maps into whatever format mainline Maemo Mapper understands and then add that server as a map source | 08:51 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Yes, it is that "changed really much" that I do not like. | 08:52 |
| Arkenoi | this makes us dependant on stability of yet another online service | 08:52 |
| RST38h | we already are, does not change a thing | 08:52 |
| RST38h | Besides, the guy WORKS for Yandex, so he should be able to do it straight at Yandex server | 08:52 |
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| * RST38h ==> work | 08:53 | |
| pupnik | maemo mapper has gotten powahful | 08:54 |
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| cehteh | finally | 08:56 |
| cehteh | does downloading/caching maps work now? | 08:56 |
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| cehteh | hey my new device should be delivered later today ... | 08:56 |
| chaoyi | last week i got mine, enable rd-mode immediately, found out keyboard is flashing , called dell for replacement and now i have two in my hand | 08:59 |
| chaoyi | i feel bad, gonna return tomorrow | 08:59 |
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| uhsf | i'm trying to run a program directly in MyDocs but i get permission denied | 08:59 |
| chaoyi | it's mounted with noexec? | 09:00 |
| cehteh | chaoyi: lol | 09:00 |
| slonopotamus | chaoyi, err... they didn't take first one? :) | 09:00 |
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| uhsf | how to run a binary program i downloaded? | 09:00 |
| chaoyi | slonopotamus: i should return in 10 days | 09:01 |
| cehteh | uhsf: chmod +x | 09:01 |
| slonopotamus | oh | 09:01 |
| slonopotamus | cehteh, no. noexec on fat partition. | 09:01 |
| cehteh | chaoyi: the keyboard flashing in r&d mode is intentional | 09:01 |
| chaoyi | cehteh: yeah, i know | 09:01 |
| chaoyi | cehteh: now | 09:01 |
| cehteh | slonopotamus: ah ok | 09:02 |
| uhsf | i know but chmod but where to place the binary? | 09:02 |
| cehteh | uhsf: them copy it somewhere to /usr or /opt ... /opt/bin or whatever | 09:02 |
| slonopotamus | uhsf, anywhere _except_ /home/user :) | 09:02 |
| slonopotamus | correction: except /home/user/MyDocs | 09:03 |
| cehteh | yes just mkdir /home/user/bin add that tp path and copy it there would work | 09:03 |
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| chaoyi | what do you have in your /usr/local/bin directory right now? i compiled unison, sed, find, grep, gzip, od | 09:06 |
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| slonopotamus | od? | 09:07 |
| chaoyi | od in busybox breaks my autossh | 09:08 |
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| slonopotamus | what | 09:08 |
| slonopotamus | err | 09:08 |
| slonopotamus | chaoyi, what's od at all? | 09:08 |
| slonopotamus | or, as timeless says, ever :) | 09:08 |
| chaoyi | a utility in coreutils | 09:09 |
| chaoyi | translate hex maybe? | 09:09 |
| slonopotamus | you're asking me? | 09:10 |
| chaoyi | slonopotamus: autossh complained about that file, so i just grabbed that one from coreutils | 09:10 |
| inz | od seems to stand for octal dump | 09:11 |
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| chaoyi | this line breaks, randport=$( od -x -N2 -An /dev/urandom | tr -d ' ' ) | 09:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke busybox | 09:13 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at busybox ... B☢☢M! | 09:13 | |
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| slonopotamus | should't that be KA-BOOM? | 09:14 |
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| slonopotamus | infobot, no such font on n900, btw. | 09:15 |
| slonopotamus | no symbols, i mean. | 09:15 |
| chaoyi | droid-font? | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice radioactivity signs here on desktop PC | 09:16 |
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| chaoyi | DocScrutinizer: me too, Lucida Grnde | 09:17 |
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| Arkenoi | seems that it would be wise to blank a screen "logically" somehow before it is switched off physically. seems that desktop widgets are still running while the screen is dark - if you "park" the phone on, say, xterm, it saves battery power much | 09:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | duh, really? | 09:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's quite a bug then | 09:21 |
| inz | Hmm, they dropped most of my patches in vte, wonder if they kept the one that disabled the cursor blinking timeout when the cursor is not blinking... | 09:21 |
| Arkenoi | just tried that and my battery is still 38% after 24 hours | 09:21 |
| Arkenoi | if i do not it runs out nearly that time | 09:21 |
| cehteh | Arkenoi: this patches are included now? | 09:22 |
| slonopotamus | Arkenoi, revolted machine? (just checking) | 09:22 |
| Arkenoi | no patches, just "parked" it on maximized xterm | 09:23 |
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| Arkenoi | slonopotamus, yep | 09:23 |
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| cehteh | ah .. that perhaps turns compositing off | 09:23 |
| cehteh | that could save some power | 09:24 |
| cehteh | well and hiding other widgets | 09:24 |
| Arkenoi | i guess it is possible to write a daemon that will do that automatically? | 09:24 |
| johnsu01 | nethack-console in extras-devel now | 09:24 |
| cehteh | fullscreen xterm? | 09:25 |
| cehteh | imo the powermanagement should be smart enough to do that without some hacks | 09:25 |
| Arkenoi | cehteh: invoke a screen blaking application on "screen off" event | 09:25 |
| Corsac | I wondered if parking on an empty workspace would help too :) | 09:25 |
| cehteh | yeah | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: ack | 09:25 |
| cehteh | well the xserver is bit strange there due the propietary opengles | 09:26 |
| cehteh | does xset work? | 09:26 |
| johnsu01 | cehteh: no not full-screen xterm | 09:26 |
| cehteh | iirc the screen management is completely done by some system stuff .. mce, systemui, clutter whatever | 09:27 |
| cehteh | hope and pray its one of the opensourced parts | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope isn't | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's power management basically | 09:28 |
| cehteh | hmm but pm events should be go over dbus maybe its possible to write a small daemon | 09:28 |
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| cehteh | sometimes i want to slap nokia in the face.. | 09:28 |
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| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, i'd say that's X server screensaving. | 09:29 |
| johnsu01 | slap the source out the mouth | 09:29 |
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| cehteh | having the most open phone is one nice thing, being not open and flawed in vital parts is annoying | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically power management should treat the app that holds focus same way as hidden apps, as soon as scrren goes black | 09:29 |
| cehteh | yeah | 09:29 |
| cehteh | or even notify "hey we are sleeping now, maybe you can do even less" | 09:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | except of course when you have a video out hooked up | 09:30 |
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| cehteh | i wont care if the weather widget doesnt update while the screen is off .. just when some update was pending and i turn the screen on it might do a delayed update | 09:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: that's exactly what powermanagement does on hidden apps | 09:31 |
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| cehteh | for my laptop i have such a script, when the lid is closed it SIGSTOP's all interative applications | 09:31 |
| Corsac | is there a concept of XSCB-Original-Uploaders? | 09:31 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: if it does then we have a bug, because it seems not consistent then | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's quite a bug then | 09:32 |
| cehteh | well maybe i add such a 'SIGSTOP' thing to my n900 | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | </quote> | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: it's all there already | 09:32 |
| cehteh | from my last impression it was quite good at telling apps to sleep .. | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | just the part for screen blanking missing obviously | 09:33 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i mean real sigstop nit just wait on events | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | you probably don't want to do this | 09:33 |
| cehteh | with selected apps i have no problem | 09:34 |
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| cehteh | my script has a list of applications to stop | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically the app should wait anyway. An app that needs sigstop is buggy for a mobile device | 09:35 |
| cehteh | browserd could be candidate for example (stopping flash and javascript while pages are open) | 09:35 |
| cehteh | yes but hey this is not a ideal world | 09:35 |
| cehteh | and how does the webbrowser know that a javascript wich is constantly running might be stopped? | 09:36 |
| cehteh | you know webdesigners have no real clues about programming | 09:36 |
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| wazd | hello maermo | 09:37 |
| wazd | maemo* | 09:37 |
| cehteh | if its some ajax which chit-chats with some server even without screen updates you are prolly on your own stopping that | 09:37 |
| cehteh | anyways i have that since years on my laptop and it works quite well | 09:38 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
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| RichiH_fosdem | is anyone presenting a n900 at fosdem? | 10:55 |
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| lardman | morning | 10:57 |
| lardman | hmm, this BBC article about new Ovi maps is just taunting me: ""We're averaging a download a second, 24 hours a day," said Anssi Vanjoki, Nokia's executive vice president. " | 10:58 |
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| lardman | Do we have full flash rather than flash-lite? | 11:04 |
| lardman | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8287239.stm | 11:04 |
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| andre41 | RichiH_fosdem, presenting don't know, but there's definitely talks about it, and booths where you can play with one | 11:05 |
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| RST38h | Apple has warned developers that they can't use location-based services such as the Core Location framework to deliver ads to iPhone | 11:08 |
| RST38h | (this Register article is nicely adorned with a picture of N900 and a link to its review) | 11:08 |
| lardman | I don't see any problem with delivering ads, just as long as a user knows the app they are using will do it | 11:09 |
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| lardman | and can stop using the app and stop the ads | 11:09 |
| RST38h | lardman: You do not but Apple does. | 11:09 |
| lardman | yeah, well :) | 11:09 |
| * RST38h wonders if Apple is simply testing how far they can abuse developers before those start leaving | 11:10 | |
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| Corsac | lardman: i think the emphasys was on “location-based services” | 11:22 |
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| ifreq | how do you remove own uploaded package from repos? | 11:26 |
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| ifreq | (from devel) | 11:27 |
| `0660_ | which package is it? so i know to download it while it's still there :) | 11:27 |
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| ifreq | `0660_: haha :D | 11:27 |
| ifreq | `0660_: its library, im not sure is it stable enough to survive on repo hell :) | 11:27 |
| ifreq | even tho it compiles "OK" | 11:28 |
| zash | RST38h: wasn't there a /. article about some dev(s?) jumping ship? | 11:28 |
| Corsac | ifreq: if it builds, it works! | 11:29 |
| ifreq | hrr | 11:29 |
| ifreq | okay fine! | 11:29 |
| ifreq | what about builds that do not "build", are they removed from garage after some time? | 11:30 |
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| RST38h | zash: No, just moaning, but still taking it into their backsides. | 11:37 |
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| RichiH_fosdem | andrei1089: kk, cool | 11:47 |
| lardman | ifreq: no, Garage is the repo, doesn't need to build | 11:47 |
| lardman | not repo, sorry wrong wording | 11:47 |
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| lardman | location for the source is what I meant | 11:47 |
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| sgbirch | Anyone know where source code for telepathy-msn-pecan resides, is it in git? | 11:47 |
| sgbirch | we really need a single git repo whcih tracks EVERYTHING on the device. Finding source sucks | 11:49 |
| lardman | is probably upstream | 11:49 |
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| lardman | so wander to the Telepathy website and see what they have | 11:49 |
| sgbirch | lardman: thx | 11:50 |
| lardman | np | 11:51 |
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| * hrw-gone-fosdem is brussels | 12:20 | |
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| hrw-gone-fosdem | I mean in Brussels of course | 12:22 |
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| hrw-gone-fosdem | time to go | 12:23 |
| Pavlov | heh | 12:24 |
| * Pavlov doesn't get there until tomorrow :/ | 12:24 | |
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| Jaffa | konttori_nokia: ping | 12:27 |
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| Damion2 | http://www.lightinthebox.com/N900-Style-Quad-Band-Dual-Card-Dual-Camera-JAVA-Qwerty-Keypad-Cell-Phone-Black--2GB-TF-Card--SZ00510226-_p86837.html?currency=GBP | 12:29 |
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| Corsac | Damion2: with java!! | 12:31 |
| Corsac | it's way better than a real n900 | 12:31 |
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| Corsac | http://image.lightinthebox.com/images/v/201001/yqzf1263441940250.jpg and nice UI | 12:32 |
| mgedmin | ha ha ha | 12:33 |
| fragment | wow, it even supports ovi store :P | 12:33 |
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| mgedmin | but they reduced the screen resolution to 320x240 | 12:34 |
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| ifreq | btw guys : http://deviate.fi/n900/mp3blaster/mp3blaster.png go test its on repos :) | 12:41 |
| mgedmin | a bit retro, isn't it? ;) | 12:42 |
| ifreq | yeah, but i like console tools/utils :) | 12:42 |
| mgedmin | "-1 not hildonized" | 12:42 |
| Wolfie | well, that's pretty nice (and geeky) http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/n900-gains-ps3-sixaxis-control-over-snes-gaming-video/ | 12:42 |
| wazd | mgedmin: tell this to the guy at t.m.o who hates GUIs | 12:42 |
| ifreq | mgedmin: i dont know the hildonize basics yet | 12:43 |
| * mgedmin was joking | 12:43 | |
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| ifreq | keybindings could need some rework.. mayb on next version | 12:45 |
| ifreq | mgedmin: it was my 1st package i ever build :) | 12:45 |
| mgedmin | cool | 12:45 |
| ifreq | so good practice with help of jebba and lcuk | 12:45 |
| ifreq | now i can contribute! | 12:45 |
| ifreq | to teh community :) | 12:45 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 12:46 |
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| andrei1089 | RichiH_fosdem, hi | 13:09 |
| konttori_nokia | Jaffa, pong | 13:09 |
| RichiH_fosdem | andrei1089: hi | 13:13 |
| RichiH_fosdem | oh, i tab completed to the wrong guy | 13:13 |
| RichiH_fosdem | sorry :) | 13:13 |
| RichiH_fosdem | andre41: ok, cool | 13:14 |
| RichiH_fosdem | andre41: any idea about what specific stands to look for? | 13:14 |
| andre41 | I think the GNOME stand should have at least a N900 to show | 13:14 |
| andre41 | plus there are some talks related to it | 13:14 |
| andre41 | really got to go now to catch my flight to Brussels, sorry | 13:14 |
| andre41 | ciao | 13:14 |
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| chaoyi | is 'ifup' called by icd2? | 13:16 |
| iridian | is there way to set the default dbus timeout with qt/dbus? | 13:16 |
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| * Stskeeps passed his masters thesis exam | 13:20 | |
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| frals | congrats Stskeeps :) | 13:21 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: congrats \o/ | 13:21 |
| ifreq | gz | 13:21 |
| chaoyi | congrats \o/ | 13:22 |
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| Jaffa | konttori_nokia: Was wondering if the find-as-you-type list/tree view feature in Hildon was going to be in PR1.2? | 13:26 |
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| konttori_nokia | Jaffa, yes it is there | 13:28 |
| konttori_nokia | and works really well | 13:28 |
| Jaffa | konttori_nokia: Cool stuff. | 13:28 |
| konttori_nokia | you can also expect it to be there for most of the apps as well | 13:28 |
| * Jaffa has marked a request for it as WONTFIX in Hermes, pending its release :) | 13:28 | |
| * Jaffa will still possibly make code changes if it doesn't work OOTB | 13:28 | |
| frals | fingerscrossed it makes it to pyhildon asap ;) | 13:28 |
| konttori_nokia | if you have multiple columns in the treeview, you need to a) either provide own filter function, or b) select one column as the text search column | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | konttori_nokia: Presumably though it doesn't use the existing GtkTreeView API for it? | 13:30 |
| konttori_nokia | http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon/hildon/blobs/master/examples/hildon-live-search-example.c | 13:30 |
| konttori_nokia | it should use the existing api even (the one where you select the search column) | 13:30 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 13:30 |
| * smaug___ forgot to complain about N900's email client to meamo people | 13:32 | |
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| IcanCU | does silverlight work on the n900? | 13:38 |
| thresh | if it does, i'd pay someone to break it | 13:40 |
| MistaED | IcanCU: i think you can get mono to run, and thus moonlight on top, but you won't get that MS proprietary codecs pack to work for wmv playback as i think they're binary blobs for x86 | 13:40 |
| MistaED | lol | 13:41 |
| IcanCU | i see | 13:41 |
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| * RST38h moos at konttori, thresh, zap, VDVsx | 13:42 | |
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| thresh | hai | 13:44 |
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| VDVsx | morning RST38h :) | 13:51 |
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| IcanCU | so should i wait for the next maemo device? | 13:55 |
| IcanCU | or get one now | 13:55 |
| IcanCU | maemo seems really interesting | 13:55 |
| IcanCU | but next upgrade seems to bring a lot new features | 13:55 |
| koala_man | that'll probably always be the case | 13:55 |
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| Damion2 | hmm. it's hard finding docs on building qemu in scratchbox, seeing as scratchbox uses qemu itself | 13:57 |
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| Damion2 | do I want armeb or arm ? | 13:59 |
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| lardman | Damion2: you want ARMEL | 14:26 |
| lardman | certainly not ARMEB anyway | 14:26 |
| lardman | L=little-endian, B=big-endian | 14:26 |
| lardman | default is L afaik (i.e with no L or B) | 14:27 |
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| Damion2 | sb-menu doesn't have armel only arm and armeb | 14:30 |
| Damion2 | I'll skim more docs | 14:30 |
| Damion2 | I've already built and tested ls :) | 14:30 |
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| Damion2 | qemu is proving more awkward | 14:31 |
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| lardman | go for arm then | 14:32 |
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| lardman | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8499859.stm | 14:36 |
| lardman | only a little while to wait for some of ours then chaps ;) | 14:37 |
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| lardman | am off, have a nice day all | 14:44 |
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| rom1dep | hi maemo folk ! I'm trying to understand how filesystems are mounted on the n900... what the hell is this 205M of / ? where are applications stored ? How is it possible that I have to remove some programs to be able to sens sms again ? what would happen if I fill 100% of my root ? | 14:45 |
| mgedmin | / is ubifs on a 256 MB NAND flash device | 14:46 |
| mgedmin | where applications are stored depends on packaging: usually either in / or in /opt | 14:46 |
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| mgedmin | I *think* SMSes are stored on a different partition -- probably /home? | 14:47 |
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| mgedmin | /opt and /home are the same partition, actually | 14:47 |
| mgedmin | 2GB ext2 | 14:47 |
| wazd | Reheya all | 14:47 |
| mgedmin | if you fill your root to 100%, it won't be pleasant, but nothing _too_ bad should happen | 14:47 |
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| mgedmin | ubifs is a log-structured filesystem that delays freeing up space to a background garbage collector | 14:48 |
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| mgedmin | actually I'm not sure there is a background gc | 14:48 |
| mgedmin | ubifs does gc on reboot, so a reboot usually frees up significant chunks of / | 14:48 |
| mgedmin | I've heard that 'sync' will also trigger gc, but haven't verified that | 14:49 |
| rom1dep | mgedmin: thanks alot for these explainations, so if someone misspackages something, libs and co are going to / , the normal path for external apps is /opt so ? | 14:49 |
| mgedmin | yes | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | df;sync;df = -128k | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | rom1dep: it's not quite like that. | 14:50 |
| mgedmin | cool | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | rom1dep: ideally thinks are symlinked from / into /opt | 14:50 |
| Jaffa | *Ideally* things install into /opt; *practically* most things symlink | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 14:51 |
| rom1dep | chosing /opt is strange... but well, ok... but how is it that simple to fill / ? I mean.. it's more than unfriendly for user reading "well, do some cleanup, there is no more space for speaking with your friends !" | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I just woke up - I was assuming hte lack of /opt in path - but ogf course that's irrelevant | 14:51 |
| Jaffa | rom1dep: Eh? | 14:52 |
| rom1dep | I had such a message, twice.. I uninstalled a theme and another package to save some space on / I was able to send messages back, after that... | 14:53 |
| ifreq | anyone running conky on n900.. any positive/negative thoughts about it? | 14:54 |
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| rom1dep | So, if I encountered that, I'm guilty because I used missconfigured packages from extras-{testing/devel} ? | 14:54 |
| Damion2 | /etc/ld.so.conf doesn't even contain /opt/usr/lib/ or similar | 14:55 |
| Damion2 | which would be handy | 14:55 |
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| Damion2 | I guess you can use ld options when building | 14:55 |
| Jaffa | Damion2: There's a suggestion somewhere about doing that; but it'd've increased the QA on Maemo 5 too much and it wouldn't have made it out the door when it did | 14:55 |
| Jaffa | rom1dep: Probably, yes. | 14:55 |
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| rom1dep | ok, I'm pretty new with deb packaging (my netbook+server runs fedora/mandriva) is there an easy way to list which packages are using / instead of /opt , and in that case reporting bugs on garage ? (something like a for including something to list packages and for each package, listing installed files... + |grep ?) | 14:59 |
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| Jaffa | rom1dep: Relatively easy, yes - but be aware of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=511794#post511794 | 15:01 |
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| * wazd swears stskeeps | 15:04 | |
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| Damion2 | gah, qemu's configure is saying Unsupported CPU = unknown | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: mm? | 15:05 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: oh, I thought you're at the defence :) | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: passed, now got a comp.sci masters degree :) | 15:06 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: old weird russian student tradition :D | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:07 |
| rom1dep | Jaffa: you mean, running pymaemo-optify will help me determining which packages are misspackaged ? | 15:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: wooo! And you're still not drunk?! | 15:07 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: in about 1-2 hours i will be | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | student bar opening there | 15:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: you now can go to the masters bar :D with vodka and girls :D | 15:08 |
| VDVsx | different bars like in the army :D | 15:08 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, congrats ;) | 15:09 |
| Jaffa | rom1dep: No. Python packages which have a transitive dependency on pymaemo-optify can install in certain locations in /usr but still be optified. | 15:09 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: now you can accept padawans? :D | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe | 15:10 |
| rom1dep | Jaffa: ahhhh... Well, I'll ignore python-related packages in that case... | 15:10 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: well, since it's a great holiday today, then I'm gonna go and buy new CPU and SLI video :) 2nd christmas! | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | what did you burn out? :P | 15:11 |
| wazd | Nothing, but my athlon X2 4200 is too weak for today's things :) | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:13 |
| rom1dep | definition of "today's things" is very random ^^ | 15:14 |
| ShadowJK | how about slashdot | 15:14 |
| ShadowJK | that page feels slow on Q9550 | 15:14 |
| ShadowJK | ;p | 15:14 |
| rom1dep | wow, you know, there is a world behind internet explorer xD (yepp, that was a troll ;) ) | 15:16 |
| ShadowJK | firefox actually :) | 15:16 |
| rom1dep | just another question, is is possible to run binaries stored on the 20+Gb-vfat partition ? | 15:17 |
| ShadowJK | no | 15:18 |
| * rom1dep waiting for copying the whole jre .. or not | 15:18 | |
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| mgedmin | well, yes, but not easily | 15:18 |
| rom1dep | something like an option somewhere in the fstab ? | 15:18 |
| * ShadowJK has memory card formatted ext3 | 15:18 | |
| ShadowJK | doesn't automount tho | 15:18 |
| * rom1dep thinks doing like ShadowJK in that case.. | 15:19 | |
| rom1dep | manually mounting ext3 won't be that hard, but too bad that ext3 isn't handled by default :( | 15:20 |
| rom1dep | mgedmin: what is -quickly- your workaround to get it work ? | 15:20 |
| Damion2 | what's wrong with mounting as ext2? | 15:20 |
| mgedmin | rom1dep, what sort of executable? | 15:20 |
| Damion2 | they are compatible, you just lose some extra features of the filesystem like journalling | 15:21 |
| mgedmin | /lib/ld-linux.so.3 /path/to/exec might work | 15:21 |
| rom1dep | mgedmin: sun's jdk arm port, yepp, shame on me, i like java programming... | 15:21 |
| Damion2 | mgedmin: I tried that and was surprised to find that noexec mountpoint actually stopped it working | 15:21 |
| mgedmin | what, the ld-linux.so thing? | 15:21 |
| andres | That was fixed around 2.6.26 or so I think... | 15:22 |
| mgedmin | what was fixed? | 15:22 |
| Damion2 | mgedmin: yeah, I thought it might be a clever workaround | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | ///usr/sbin/mmc-mount (it's a small script) btw | 15:22 |
| Damion2 | I've not tried LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/noexec/place/blah.so | 15:22 |
| Damion2 | but I suspect ther kernel magic people have addressed that too | 15:23 |
| rom1dep | mgedmin: okay :) I'll try that ! | 15:23 |
| andres | mgedmin: using ld-linux.so on a noexec mounted fs | 15:23 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 15:23 |
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| mgedmin | but sh /script/on/noexec/fs still works, I assume? | 15:24 |
| Arif_ | woo, I'm finally getting the N900 :D | 15:24 |
| mgedmin | Arif_, congrats! | 15:24 |
| Arif_ | thanks :) | 15:24 |
| Arif_ | I got tired of waiting so I bought it 2nd hand :P | 15:24 |
| Arif_ | are there any more things I should check apart from the dead mic and WD32_TO reboot errors? | 15:25 |
| andres | mgedmin: yes | 15:26 |
| cehteh | pixel errors, cam slider coming loose, usb connector come loose | 15:26 |
| andres | mgedmin: the kernel is not involved there... | 15:26 |
| cehteh | slider mechanism loose | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: You have exciting ("do some work") email ;-) | 15:26 |
| Arif_ | thanks :) | 15:26 |
| cehteh | is the 'accellerometer appears to be stuck' fixed in pr1.1? | 15:27 |
| cehteh | mhm and my new device should now come any minute *waiting* | 15:27 |
| cehteh | xorAxAx: how is dwimd going? | 15:27 |
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| xorAxAx | its running | 15:28 |
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| cehteh | installing doesnt break the device? :) | 15:29 |
| cehteh | well we should promote it more | 15:29 |
| * cehteh waits for the postman | 15:29 | |
| xorAxAx | the next step would be an autoaway application | 15:29 |
| xorAxAx | that uses dwimd | 15:29 |
| cehteh | and a configuration gui | 15:29 |
| rom1dep | Do you also have this little magnetig square got peeled off (the one that takes the support leg closed) ? | 15:29 |
| cehteh | rom1dep: urgs .. thats a new one | 15:30 |
| cehteh | but i guess that easily fixable with some glue | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | unless you lose the magnet, I suppose | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | ouch ouch ouch | 15:31 |
| rom1dep | cehteh: yep, known ? too bad, I'll try superglue but that contrasts with the impression of robustness that gave me first :) | 15:31 |
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| mgedmin | my biggest fear is that the flimsy "stand" will break off | 15:31 |
| rom1dep | mgedmin: i'm lucky enough to have not lots the magnet :) | 15:31 |
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| rom1dep | until you don't sit on it it must survive ^^ | 15:32 |
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| rom1dep | anyway, I don't use it that much, that "stand" is too small I think | 15:33 |
| cehteh | iirc the whole backcover isnt that expensive to replace | 15:35 |
| cehteh | there where prices somwhere | 15:35 |
| cehteh | but yes, a solid stand like on the n810 would be better | 15:36 |
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| mgedmin | actually, I broke one of those | 15:37 |
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| mgedmin | ... by sitting on it | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | nah, just kidding | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | hooked the charger with my leg and it flew onto the floor | 15:37 |
| lcukn900 | anyone built the fosdem schedule app thingy ive seen floating around? | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | the stand bent slightly sideways | 15:37 |
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| mgedmin | I bent it back, most of the way | 15:38 |
| Lumpio- | Is it possible to send cookies to the media player with DBus? (com.nokia.mediaplayer.mime_open) | 15:38 |
| lcukn900 | mg? a n900 stand bent? | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | it rubs a bit on one side when you close it | 15:38 |
| Lumpio- | I'd like to play a video but it requires an authentication cookie to play | 15:38 |
| lcukn900 | i thought those were indestructable | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | no, this was a n810 | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | and the stand no longer has intermediate positions after the adventure | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | it's either open all the way, or not | 15:38 |
| rom1dep | mgedmin: too bad :( | 15:38 |
| lcukn900 | heh i dud that | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | no convenient reading angle | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | the n900 came out just in time to rescue me | 15:38 |
| lcukn900 | take it off and reshape it | 15:39 |
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| * w00t rests his brain for a bit | 15:39 | |
| * Stskeeps ponders going for booze money | 15:39 | |
| w00t | I have been writing far too much code for a friday.. | 15:39 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: got people to meet up with for fun and profit? | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: old work mates | 15:40 |
| w00t | good | 15:40 |
| w00t | nobody, not even a new masters graduate, should drink alone ;p | 15:40 |
| ifreq | idd | 15:40 |
| lcukn900 | hey w00t | 15:40 |
| * mgedmin never finished his masters... | 15:41 | |
| w00t | morning lcukn900 :) | 15:41 |
| w00t | mgedmin: don't feel lonely, I never went to university at all | 15:41 |
| * lcukn900 is airporting | 15:41 | |
| * ifreq is master of the universe | 15:41 | |
| lcukn900 | to fosdem | 15:41 |
| w00t | though I hope to, one day | 15:41 |
| w00t | lcukn900: damn you you lucky bastard *shake fist* | 15:41 |
| * ifreq is heading to Post Office.. new cb radio waiting | 15:41 | |
| lcukn900 | w00t mm its a collabora company meeting almost lol | 15:41 |
| Arif_ | anyone have an N900 with KMplayer installed? | 15:41 |
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| Dassu | Arif_: Many people | 15:42 |
| Dassu | Arif_: I for one but I haven't used it | 15:42 |
| lcukn900 | mg are you at fosdem? | 15:42 |
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| Arif_ | anyone willing to test out if my satellite card streams to the N900 | 15:42 |
| Arif_ | :) | 15:42 |
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| Dassu | Arif_: :) Why can't you test it yoruself ? | 15:43 |
| w00t | lcukn900: I was going to be there, but, decided that given my situation and the fact that I totally forgot about it until last week, that I should probably not :-/ | 15:43 |
| Arif_ | I don't have an N900 yet | 15:43 |
| Arif_ | :P | 15:43 |
| Dassu | Arif_: ok, throw me with the url | 15:43 |
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| Damion2 | andres: interesting how recent that is, I was going to patch ld-linux.so to not run arguments as it's not a normal use for it | 15:44 |
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| andres | You can still circumvent it, so... | 15:45 |
| Damion2 | does LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/code.so work ? | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | lcukn900, my xchat doesn't highlight 'mg' | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | sadly no | 15:46 |
| * mgedmin wishes he could come to fosdem | 15:46 | |
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| Damion2 | anyone know what I can do about: | 15:49 |
| Damion2 | LINK i386-linux-user/qemu-i386 | 15:49 |
| Damion2 | libqemu.a(tcg.o): In function `flush_icache_range': | 15:49 |
| Damion2 | /home/damion/src/qemu-0.12.2/tcg/arm/tcg-target.h:78: undefined reference to `__builtin___clear_cache' | 15:49 |
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| mgedmin | that sounds like a gcc builtin, no? | 15:51 |
| * mgedmin is threading on very thin ice here | 15:51 | |
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| Damion2 | yeah, I have an awful workaround | 15:51 |
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| lcukn900 | mgedmin fosdem i missed if u answered, are u comin | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I'm excited. | 15:52 |
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| mgedmin | lcukn900, sadly I'm not coming | 15:53 |
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| lcukn900 | booo hiss | 15:53 |
| mgedmin | unless the black helicopters come and kidnap me | 15:53 |
| * mgedmin a bit short on cash currently to self-finance this | 15:53 | |
| * lcukn900 has to go im onboard | 15:53 | |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Goodo :) | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those dancing robots creep me out. | 15:55 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Hmmm Nokia N900 + SIXAXIS = WIN | 16:00 |
| thresh | wait whut | 16:01 |
| Lumpio- | o right, the PS3 controller was Bluetooth | 16:01 |
| Lumpio- | I wish the wiicontrol app would work properly >_> | 16:01 |
| frals | great, my domainhosting service seems to be nuked out of orbit, no dns :( | 16:01 |
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| Lumpio- | I might have to write a better one... | 16:04 |
| Lumpio- | Having an actual app running just for an input device seems a bit excessive anyways | 16:04 |
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| Lumpio- | Maybe a widget or a top-menu-thingie button for connecting to it | 16:04 |
| chaoyi | why Method "Connect" with signature "s" on interface "org.bluez.Network" doesn't exist? | 16:05 |
| chaoyi | anyone could help me with dbus-send? thanks | 16:06 |
| Damion2 | hmm | 16:07 |
| Damion2 | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/src/qemu-0.12.2/i386-linux-user] > ./qemu-i386 | 16:07 |
| Damion2 | mmap: No such device or address | 16:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Is switchboard still having issues killing MicroB simply by virtue of being installed? | 16:11 |
| sinclair | hi everone | 16:11 |
| Damion2 | hello sinclair | 16:12 |
| sinclair | i'm having really bad issues with touch on my N900... sometimes i have to spend 5-10 seconds just pressing again and again to close programs... i have calibrated and re-calibrated but it's still extremely bad, any suggestions? | 16:14 |
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| Damion2 | are you using nail or ball of finger? | 16:14 |
| sinclair | ball of finger | 16:14 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: There's a thread on tmo - new version in -testing IIRC | 16:15 |
| koala_man | sinclair: does the button light up, but then nothing happens? | 16:15 |
| Damion2 | sinclair: use your nail, even gently the single point helps | 16:15 |
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| Damion2 | on an iphone you can almost not touch the screen and it detects it, on the n900 you need actual press, not much but significantly more than the iphone. | 16:16 |
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| Damion2 | even a very gentle nail will provide accuracy and will be detected | 16:17 |
| sinclair | sometimes it's lit when i remove my finger but usually no light response just sound | 16:17 |
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| koala_man | during high cpu usage, some apps can take several seconds to respond to close events. it's not just that, is it? | 16:19 |
| adeus | then again, try to use the iphone outside with gloves on :) | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | koala_man: the scheduler can have a hard time sometimes, yes | 16:23 |
| Damion2 | adeus: yeah, I didn't bother with the evangalising side of my response | 16:23 |
| rom1dep | iPhone's touchscreen sucks :) | 16:23 |
| Damion2 | adeus: I'm happy with resistive and miss nails working on an iphone, otoh they really do amaze me with the gentleness that works | 16:24 |
| crashanddie | anyone who goes into the whole iphone sucks debate again gets banned for life | 16:24 |
| Damion2 | okay I'm annoyed now, I can't even execute hello world | 16:24 |
| crashanddie | Damion2: paste code | 16:24 |
| crashanddie | Damion2: and compilation line | 16:24 |
| Damion2 | crashanddie: okay, hold on. I can compile and run arm ls, and I've just compiled qemu-i386 | 16:25 |
| Damion2 | which also runs, but it won't execute x86 ./hello | 16:25 |
| Damion2 | despite the fact that it should | 16:25 |
| crashanddie | don't bother with x86 | 16:25 |
| Damion2 | this is on the n900 | 16:25 |
| crashanddie | dude | 16:25 |
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| crashanddie | why are you trying to run x86 code on n900? | 16:25 |
| Damion2 | I should be able to run arbitary x86 linux binaries albeit slowly on the n900 | 16:25 |
| Caesium | you really are sick :) | 16:26 |
| crashanddie | not natively | 16:26 |
| Damion2 | cos I want to run wine, this has been done on PPC | 16:26 |
| Damion2 | Caesium: I'm glad you're following | 16:26 |
| Caesium | rebuild wine for arm? :) | 16:26 |
| Damion2 | that's not possible | 16:26 |
| Caesium | oh it'll want ms libs that are x86? | 16:26 |
| crashanddie | Caesium: indeed | 16:26 |
| Caesium | yeah didn't think before saying that. | 16:26 |
| Damion2 | however qemu-i386 should be able to run it, this has been done before on ppc | 16:26 |
| crashanddie | Damion2: let's go from the beginning, what exactly are you trying to achieve? | 16:27 |
| Damion2 | I want to run wine ./notepad.exe (well actually some 1990s games) | 16:27 |
| Damion2 | the speed, I feel will be acceptable based on dosbox'es performance | 16:27 |
| Damion2 | I found that somebody on PPC arch was able to run x86 wine under qemu | 16:27 |
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| Damion2 | so I've tried to compile qemu for arm | 16:28 |
| Damion2 | I had to kludge one failing builtin function | 16:28 |
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| Damion2 | it could well be my problem | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | so you want to run windows binaries emulated by an emulator on a 600Mhz CPU? | 16:28 |
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| Damion2 | crashanddie: these were fast enough on a p90 | 16:28 |
| Damion2 | qemu in user linux mode is quite fast | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | you need to get into new games ;) | 16:28 |
| Damion2 | I'm not emulating hardware and crap | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | anyway, yes | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | so qemu works? | 16:28 |
| Damion2 | well it runs | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | define runs | 16:29 |
| Damion2 | ?:/home/opt/root# ./qemu-i386 | 16:29 |
| Damion2 | qemu-i386 version 0.12.2, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard | 16:29 |
| Damion2 | usage: qemu-i386 [options] program [arguments...] | 16:29 |
| Damion2 | Linux CPU emulator (compiled for i386 emulation) | 16:29 |
| Damion2 | when I put ./hello as a parameter to it it segv's | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | can you trace it? | 16:29 |
| Damion2 | hello was built with gcc -o hello -static hello.c | 16:29 |
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| Damion2 | yeah, that's long | 16:29 |
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| Damion2 | any suggested pastebin urls? | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | slexy.org | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | Damion2: gcc was called from what exactly? | 16:30 |
| crashanddie | Damion2: compiling it as static is a bad idea. Unless you intend on re-writing 3/4 of wine, obviously | 16:31 |
| cehteh | xorAxAx: es ist da :P | 16:31 |
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| Caesium | Damion2: is hello 32 or 64bit? does qemu play with 64bit binaries if it's 64? | 16:32 |
| Damion2 | crashanddie: true, but I've not got to the point where I'll be copying the libs over | 16:32 |
| Damion2 | I don't think it's possible to make wine static anymore | 16:32 |
| Damion2 | Caesium: 32 | 16:32 |
| Damion2 | http://slexy.org/view/s2ITJQgCQa | 16:32 |
| Damion2 | I think it's quite possible this IS my awful kludge | 16:32 |
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| crashanddie | 133, actually | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | DOSbox on N8x0 hit about 16MHz at optimal settings. . . . | 16:33 |
| Damion2 | somebody compiled dosbox, I probably should try and see how they compiled qemu | 16:33 |
| Damion2 | GeneralAntilles: oh :( | 16:33 |
| Damion2 | oh wait on n8x0 | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | which line does it segfault at? | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, maybe, 25-40MHz on N900 | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Again, optimal settings. | 16:34 |
| Damion2 | crashanddie: not sure the bottom ? | 16:34 |
| Caesium | Damion2: there /are/ a lot of calls to cacheflush in there, if you kludged that it seems the best place to start ;) | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | Damion2: ah k | 16:34 |
| Damion2 | Caesium: yeah :) | 16:34 |
| Damion2 | I just created a void for __builtin___clear_cache and linked the .o in ;) | 16:34 |
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| crashanddie | Damion2: have you asked in qemu? | 16:35 |
| Damion2 | no I've only _just_ started to try this | 16:35 |
| Caesium | Damion2: do you have __clear_cache in libgcc at all? | 16:36 |
| Damion2 | not sure, strings it? | 16:36 |
| Caesium | nm | 16:36 |
| Damion2 | oh yeah | 16:36 |
| Caesium | if so you could make your .o call that | 16:36 |
| Damion2 | not had to use that in years | 16:36 |
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| Damion2 | 00000000 T __clear_cache | 16:37 |
| Caesium | takes the same two args that __builtin___clear_cache does, just try passing it through? | 16:38 |
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| Damion2 | just call __clear_cache from my __builtin___clear_cache() ? | 16:39 |
| Caesium | if you don't have it, I have the freebsd assembler arm code for it ;) | 16:39 |
| Caesium | yeah | 16:39 |
| Damion2 | what does 00000000 T __clear_cache mean in the nm output ? | 16:39 |
| Caesium | oh wait it's C | 16:39 |
| Damion2 | what type should this be? | 16:40 |
| Damion2 | this is going to exceed my rusty C | 16:40 |
| Caesium | char * | 16:40 |
| Damion2 | how did yuo know the two args? you have code in front of you ? | 16:41 |
| Caesium | partly from http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Other-Builtins.html and confirmed by freebsd /usr/src :) | 16:41 |
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| Caesium | this is how freebsd does it: http://slexy.org/view/s20pDH3ux5 | 16:41 |
| Caesium | I was just looking up if sysarch() which appears to be the magic bit, is on Linux | 16:42 |
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| Damion2 | GeneralAntilles: that's pretty slow. However the win95 I've seen running wasn't THAT bad. This should be a good %age faster running notepad.exe IMO | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | Caesium, it's a syscall, according to the comment | 16:42 |
| * Caesium nods | 16:43 | |
| mgedmin | so that code is somewhat useless on Linux... | 16:43 |
| Caesium | sysarch — architecture‐dependent system call | 16:43 |
| Caesium | so we just need the equivalent on linux | 16:43 |
| Caesium | hell, put some embedded asm in if you can't find the C way to do it? :) | 16:43 |
| Caesium | the concept is the same | 16:43 |
| Caesium | anyway hopefully his libgcc will have __clear_cache | 16:44 |
| Caesium | I was just going a step ahead in case it doesn't | 16:44 |
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| thesov | can someone help me, i optified my /var/lib/apt/lists aby symlink and now my app manager wont update them but apt-get update will. | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | woohoo!! | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | Caesium: you are a star | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | ?:/home/opt/root# ./qemu-i386-2 ./hello | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | Hello World | 16:46 |
| Caesium | nice :) | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | yeah this is kinda sweet :) | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | ?:/home/opt/root# file hello | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | hello: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, statically linked, stripped | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | ?:/home/opt/root# file `which file` | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | /usr/bin/file: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.17, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | ?:/home/opt/root# ./qemu-i386-2 ./hello | 16:47 |
| Damion2 | Hello World | 16:47 |
| Damion2 | ?:/home/opt/root# | 16:47 |
| Damion2 | awesome | 16:47 |
| Caesium | we get it ;) | 16:47 |
| Damion2 | I wonder if anyone on TMO will get it | 16:47 |
| Caesium | so wine now? :p | 16:47 |
| satmd | yay | 16:47 |
| Damion2 | I'll copy libs over and see if I can run random weird x86 only stuff | 16:47 |
| Damion2 | ooh cfdisk :) | 16:47 |
| Corsac | then you want binfmt so you can have transparency :) | 16:47 |
| Caesium | perhaps start with something that might not trash your ubifs :P | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | Damion2++ | 16:48 |
| thesov | u actually got qemu to work on maemo? wow im impressed. | 16:48 |
| Caesium | me too, though I want to see how fast it is at doing something useful ;) | 16:48 |
| Damion2 | thesov: well dosbox was done ages ago | 16:49 |
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| Damion2 | ooh I'll try google maps | 16:49 |
| satmd | the wireless chip on n900 doesn't support ap mode, does it? | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | satmd, it does, just a driver issue. | 16:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Patches welcome, etc. | 16:50 |
| satmd | oh :D | 16:50 |
| thesov | now someone quick help me with my apt problem | 16:50 |
| Damion2 | satmd: that needs a kernel >.30 | 16:51 |
| thesov | :) | 16:51 |
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| Damion2 | when they added the AP stuff in to the newer wifi framework | 16:51 |
| Caesium | thesov: app manager may dislike symlinks, try a bind mount ala pymaemo? | 16:52 |
| * Caesium dislikes bind mounts though, clutters df | 16:52 | |
| thesov | i have no idea what a bind mount is but i will look into it. this is my first linux system | 16:53 |
| thesov | thanks | 16:53 |
| * Caesium aliases df on his n900 to "df / /tmp /home/ /media/mmc1" to keep it a bit cleaner | 16:53 | |
| Damion2 | Caesium: that's a handy tip | 16:53 |
| mgedmin | Caesium, no /home/MyDocs? | 16:53 |
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| Caesium | oh yes, that too. | 16:54 |
| Damion2 | mgedmin: it's Umteen GB how is it going to get full ? | 16:54 |
| Caesium | that's not a good reason not to keep an eye on it ;) | 16:54 |
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| mgedmin | while true; do date >> ~/MyDocs/.silently-fill-up-all-disk-space; sleep 1; done | 16:54 |
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| satmd | thesov: a bind mount makes a directory tree available at another place | 16:55 |
| thesov | if only n900 had an x86 processor | 16:55 |
| satmd | mount -o bind /somepath /someotherpath | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | thesov: so it could have a battery life of 3 minutes! | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | I once found a Beagle log file that was GIGABYTES of error messages trying to index the same broken file over and over again | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | it was a fresh install, so I had maybe 70 gigs of free disk space | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | Beagle filled it all up | 16:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | therock, SpeedEvil isn't joking, either. :) | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | so why can't Tracker do something similar? | 16:55 |
| Caesium | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# alias | 16:55 |
| Caesium | df='df / /tmp /home /home/user/MyDocs /media/mmc1' | 16:55 |
| Caesium | thats better :) | 16:55 |
| torindel | thesov: just get htc with normal x86 vista installed then :P | 16:55 |
| thesov | dude look at geode uses 1 watt of power at idle | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | therock, OMAP3 uses basically none. | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | thesov, and gets better performance than a Geode. | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | thesov, at absolute full blast, the N900 MIGHT use 2-2.5 watts. | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | With every possible piece of equipment in the device on full power. | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Practically speaking that's impossible. | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Normal usage the OMAP3 uses next to nothing. | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | x86 is in a whole different timezone as far as power consumption is concerned. | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, please, don't pretend like you know something here. There's a damn good reason ARM is, by far, the most common architecture on the planet. | 16:58 |
| crashanddie | thesov: basically, the board on which the n900 runs is able to disable specific parts of its hardware to reflect the needs | 16:58 |
| torindel | thesov: just calc how big battery you will need to have if you want it to live week at idle if it drains 1W | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | and do so several times a second. | 16:59 |
| thesov | lol i guess i want a pc as a phone. | 16:59 |
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| rom1dep | good day ! | 16:59 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I vote troll | 16:59 |
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| crashanddie | thesov: you might want to leave | 16:59 |
| Damion2 | what about the transmet... sorry I couldn't keep a straight face | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | thesov, yes, now we're back to 3 minutes of battery life. | 16:59 |
| thesov | yeah. oh well i like my n900 | 17:00 |
| crashanddie | that's the spirit | 17:00 |
| thesov | now gonna try to fix my apt lists thanks for advice guys | 17:01 |
| crashanddie | "bout 98 percent of the more than one billion mobile phones sold each year use at least one ARM processor." | 17:01 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: going to get myself a kawa er5 | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, your organ donor card in order? :P | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | on the back of the driving license | 17:05 |
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| Damion2 | ooh, I wonder if I can nfs mount and then chroot in to an x86 linux now | 17:06 |
| Damion2 | dynamically linked execution ... | 17:08 |
| Damion2 | ?:/home/opt/root/lib# ../qemu-i386-2 ./ld-linux.so.2 --library-path `pwd` ../ls | 17:08 |
| Damion2 | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 240 | 17:08 |
| Damion2 | ld-linux.so.2 libattr.so.1 libdl.so.2 librt.so.1 | 17:08 |
| Damion2 | libacl.so.1 libc.so.6 libpthread.so.0 libselinux.so.1 | 17:08 |
| Damion2 | ?:/home/opt/root/lib# | 17:08 |
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| Damion2 | hmm, :-} qemu: Unsupported syscall: 240 | 17:08 |
| crashanddie | Damion2: please use a pastebin | 17:09 |
| Damion2 | sorry | 17:09 |
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| crashanddie | again, we just went from the cute hoping to the annoying dev | 17:09 |
| Damion2 | I thought <10 lines wasn't an issue | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's 5 | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | more than 2 lines is an issue | 17:09 |
| Damion2 | I type fast | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depending on length. :P | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | and channel activity | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | i'm out | 17:09 |
| Damion2 | it's deathly quiet atm | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | so it's back to 5 | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | Damion2: didn't your parents tell you not to talk back? :P | 17:10 |
| crashanddie | anyway, 'ater | 17:11 |
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| lopz | hi :D | 17:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, we have any provisions for images? | 17:26 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: No | 17:27 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I can could look at adding them; what's the use-case? | 17:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I just wanted to provide a small thumbnail off to the side for Marina. | 17:28 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Ah. | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could be useful for applications, too. | 17:28 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Does the image you'd want to use already exist? | 17:28 |
| * Jaffa wants it to small and speedy to download/useful to read offline, though. | 17:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, maybe. | 17:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I was thinking, like, 200px width. | 17:29 |
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| schasch | Docscrutinizer: can I use may freerunner-wallcharger for the N900? | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | does it implement the microUSB charger spec? | 17:31 |
| schasch | I do not know? it is miniusb, but with an adapter ? | 17:32 |
| tybollt | I use regular usb wallchargers but w/ a USB A -> microusb cable | 17:33 |
| tybollt | works a treat | 17:33 |
| tybollt | albeit my b0rked cable lacks the teeth, kinda annoying :) | 17:33 |
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| schasch | OK,buy | 17:34 |
| schasch | WE | 17:34 |
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| shamus | the n900 can charege via usb? | 17:34 |
| Damion2 | yes | 17:35 |
| Caesium | that's all it can charge via | 17:35 |
| * mgedmin was thinking about this: http://danielwould.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/n900-charging-from-dumb-charger/ | 17:35 | |
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| shamus | guess i realy should of gone with the n900 insted of a n800 if i had the money | 17:37 |
| shamus | as dam the n800 is getign old | 17:37 |
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| * Caesium is hoping they'll make some hardware revisions to the N900, but unlikely I suppose | 17:38 | |
| Caesium | I've heard far too many scary stories of the USB plug coming completely detached, so I'm super-careful with mine atm, and it'd be nice if the USB plug was at the bottom so you could actually use a dock with it, and a few other little things | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bottom? Ugh | 17:38 |
| Caesium | have you tried having a phonecall while charging the N900? :) | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then it'd be REALLY unusable plugged in. | 17:39 |
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| Lumpio- | Every plug configuration has their downsides | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's better up top than on the bottom. | 17:39 |
| Lumpio- | On the sides, it gets in your hands' way | 17:39 |
| Lumpio- | On the bottom it makes the stand thing unusable | 17:39 |
| Lumpio- | On the top it makes the thing unstable on any kind of dock or stand | 17:39 |
| Caesium | sorry I mean the "bottom" when held in portrait. | 17:39 |
| Lumpio- | We need wireless power. | 17:39 |
| Lumpio- | And comm | 17:39 |
| w00t | on the back! | 17:40 |
| * w00t ducks | 17:40 | |
| Damion2 | I sleep on the right and so the cable has to flop over to the left | 17:40 |
| Lumpio- | w00t: Or the middle of the screen | 17:40 |
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| Damion2 | the n97 had its at the bottom and was better on the fingers | 17:40 |
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| Damion2 | ooh it could be on the underside | 17:40 |
| Damion2 | straight in to the battery, and batteries could be charged themselves | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Caesium, portrait. Pfft. | 17:41 |
| shamus | batterys that charg via usb would be to convient fo charging up spairs | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | shamus, then you'd need built-in charging circuitry. | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cost, bulk, reliability. | 17:42 |
| shamus | true | 17:42 |
| shamus | fast cheep reliable pick 2 | 17:42 |
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| Damion2 | shamus: I was kidding, nobody will do that :) | 17:46 |
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| Damion2 | although you can get: http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/modernmaterialist/2008/04/usb-battery.jpg | 17:46 |
| shamus | and there a joke | 17:46 |
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| Damion2 | there a joke lies? | 17:46 |
| Damion2 | or they're a joke? | 17:46 |
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| shamus | the usb AA's? | 17:47 |
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| shamus | i have heard hore storyed as to how bad they are | 17:47 |
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| zap_ | Anybody knows which call will set up GTK to use maemo skin in 4.x? Calling hildon_program_get_instance() from main() doesn't help, gtk still uses default look-n-feel | 17:58 |
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| zap | do I need libosso or libhildon is enough for this? | 18:00 |
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| inz | zap, how are you running your program? | 18:16 |
| inz | zap, if you are running it manually from command line, you should use run-standalone.sh my_program | 18:17 |
| inz | zap, otherwise the theme should "just work" in gtk+ apps | 18:17 |
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| rm_you | sup GeneralAntilles :P | 18:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hey, rm_you. | 18:22 |
| rm_you | So i just got laid off from my job, and decided since i have time now i'd actually work on ABL before i have to send my phone back :P | 18:23 |
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| rm_you | so i upgraded to the new SDK and plugged my phone in to update the firmware | 18:24 |
| rm_you | and the USB jack thing happened T_T | 18:24 |
| rm_you | so i guess i'm off to buy a new phone | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | ripped it out, did you? | 18:26 |
| rm_you | lol yep | 18:26 |
| rm_you | totally pulled a HULK on it | 18:26 |
| rm_you | good thing i didn't pay for this and would be sending it back in a month anyway :P | 18:27 |
| tybollt | so maybe my usb cable being sans the teeth is .. a good thing? :) | 18:27 |
| rm_you | probably :P | 18:27 |
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| rm_you | i guess in the meantime I can work in the SDK and give beta debs to people to test :P | 18:28 |
| GAN900 | I can't believe they used a surface mount. | 18:28 |
| GAN900 | rm_you, ping Quim. | 18:28 |
| GAN900 | I think he's got some devices about. | 18:28 |
| tybollt | GAN900: as in opposed to ... ? | 18:28 |
| rm_you | lol, what good will that do? they aren't gonna send me a new device when I'd be sending it back in april? | 18:28 |
| rm_you | tybollt: did you read this: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/connecting-on-the-surface-an-n900-risk/ ? | 18:29 |
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| rm_you | or the followup: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/does-nokia-care/ | 18:29 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, a through-board post mount. | 18:30 |
| rm_you | besides, you know what Quim thinks about ABL :P lol | 18:30 |
| GAN900 | rm_you, might be able to get a longer loan. | 18:30 |
| GAN900 | rm_you, couldn't hurt to try | 18:30 |
| rm_you | i guess | 18:30 |
| tybollt | GAN900: more expensive, innit? :) | 18:30 |
| GAN900 | Besides, April's still a ways away yet. | 18:30 |
| rm_you | was deciding whether to try to go grab another n900 | 18:31 |
| rm_you | or a nexus one for like $300 less | 18:31 |
| tybollt | hurgh | 18:31 |
| rm_you | lol | 18:31 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, not by much and probably cheaper than the lost sales and repairs caused by having to replace the shit surface mount. | 18:31 |
| tybollt | nexis is EUR 300 less than n900? | 18:31 |
| uhsf | how to associate my worstation hostname to it's ip so i can just ssh username@hostname instead of username@ip from my n900? | 18:31 |
| GAN900 | rm_you, I'll fly up there and kick your ass. | 18:31 |
| rm_you | lol GAN | 18:31 |
| rm_you | yeah i was looking forward to having my n900 at Texas Linux Fest | 18:32 |
| rm_you | T_T | 18:32 |
| rm_you | which would be cutting it close anyway as it's April 10th | 18:32 |
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| tybollt | btw are the preprod units upgradeable to PR1.1 | 18:32 |
| rm_you | tybollt: n900 is still ~$500US AFAIK | 18:32 |
| GAN900 | They're putting together a community event budget. | 18:32 |
| rm_you | nexus one is $179USD | 18:32 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, yes. | 18:32 |
| tybollt | nice | 18:33 |
| GAN900 | rm_you, ++contract | 18:33 |
| rm_you | GAN900: who is> | 18:33 |
| GAN900 | rm_you, Texrat, afb and co | 18:33 |
| rm_you | GAN900: so? was gonna do that anyway | 18:33 |
| rm_you | ah | 18:33 |
| rm_you | for TX Linux fest? | 18:33 |
| GAN900 | rm_you, so you might want to run a table. | 18:33 |
| tybollt | Leaked Nexus One Documents: $530 Unlocked, $180 With T-Mobile ... | 18:33 |
| tybollt | ^^^^engadget | 18:33 |
| rm_you | GAN900: cool i'll have to talk to em | 18:33 |
| rm_you | tybollt: it's shipping... | 18:33 |
| GAN900 | rm_you, which gives more justification to have a device. :P | 18:33 |
| rm_you | tybollt: www.google.com/phone | 18:33 |
| rm_you | how do I get ahold of texrat anyway | 18:34 |
| rm_you | is that his blog? | 18:34 |
| GAN900 | Talk PM is reliable | 18:34 |
| GAN900 | What's the dbus recipe for setting an alarm on my roommate's N900? | 18:35 |
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| rm_you | rofl | 18:37 |
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| rm_you | GAN900: talkPM says he's blocking PMs | 18:40 |
| frals | anyone managed to get the "context menu" to be correctly themed using python+gtk? | 18:41 |
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| uhsf | why i can't just ssh username@hostname instead of username@ip from my n900? | 18:44 |
| ifreq | your dns is not working | 18:44 |
| Lumpio- | That sounds more like a DNS problem than an SSH problem | 18:45 |
| ScribbleJ | What they said. | 18:45 |
| mikexcr | what's is hostname? domain.tld ? | 18:45 |
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| ScribbleJ | Your DNS is likely wrong. | 18:45 |
| mikexcr | what's | 18:45 |
| mikexcr | 17:47 < ScribbleJ> Your DNS is likely wrong. | 18:45 |
| mikexcr | 17:47 < mikexcr> what's | 18:45 |
| ifreq | mikexcr: yes .. in this case | 18:45 |
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| mikexcr | ;) | 18:45 |
| mikexcr | wrrr f*cking touchpad.. | 18:45 |
| Lumpio- | Either your phone's in the wrong network, your DNS server is borked or your hostname is wrong. | 18:45 |
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| mikexcr | see /etc/resolv.conf <: | 18:45 |
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| mikexcr | nameserver 8.8.8.8 | 18:45 |
| mikexcr | try | 18:45 |
| mikexcr | google dns | 18:45 |
| ScribbleJ | What? | 18:45 |
| ScribbleJ | Give him some useful advice. | 18:46 |
| adalal | uhsf: wait, is your nokia on a wlan? or on a 3g? | 18:46 |
| ScribbleJ | Like using nslookup on the commandline to see what he can resolve. | 18:46 |
| adalal | and are you trying to connect over the internet? or across the network | 18:46 |
| adalal | ? | 18:46 |
| uhsf | adalal: usb network, direct to the pc i ssh to | 18:47 |
| ScribbleJ | Haaa | 18:47 |
| ScribbleJ | Is that PC set up to forward your traffic and act as a firewall -- or else to serve you DNS itself? | 18:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, email, maybe. | 18:47 |
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| uhsf | i didn't set anything special | 18:48 |
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| ScribbleJ | Obviously, uhsf | 18:48 |
| ScribbleJ | You'd have to set up dns specially in that scenario. | 18:48 |
| ScribbleJ | So... that's why. | 18:48 |
| adalal | uhsf: usb network? doesn't the hostname register with the dhcp to allow that? | 18:49 |
| uhsf | it's just a linux pc with a hostname connected to a router and i connect my n900 to this pc with usb cable | 18:49 |
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| ScribbleJ | uhsf, so... why should the names work then? IT sounds like you shoudl expect name resolution to fail. | 18:49 |
| ScribbleJ | uhsf, what makes you think it shoudl be working? | 18:49 |
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| uhsf | it works from my notebook to my pc | 18:50 |
| ScribbleJ | Is your notebook hooked up to the PC over USB? | 18:50 |
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| uhsf | but it's through my router | 18:50 |
| ScribbleJ | So | 18:50 |
| ScribbleJ | What makes you think it should be working? | 18:50 |
| adalal | oh | 18:51 |
| ScribbleJ | How is the n900 supposed to magically get DNS information? | 18:51 |
| uhsf | hostnames only work with the router? | 18:51 |
| adalal | just a usb connection?!.. that's weird... | 18:51 |
| ScribbleJ | uhsf, hostnames only work with DNS. Now, what DNS server can your n900 talk to? | 18:51 |
| ScribbleJ | None of them. | 18:51 |
| ScribbleJ | So hw is it supposed to resolve names? | 18:51 |
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| ScribbleJ | It's not. | 18:51 |
| adalal | just a normal usb connection wouldn't make a network connection | 18:51 |
| ScribbleJ | Give it a DNS server. Like, for instance, put dnsmasq on your pc | 18:51 |
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| ScribbleJ | Now, can anyone explain to me why the oak tree in my yard doesn't grow golden bricks? | 18:52 |
| uhsf | i wish i had a router with a usb port but none of them seems to support dd-wrt | 18:52 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | hi guys, anyone else expierience problems with their mircro sd card & n900? mine is in and gets shown correctly on my mac (vfat format) when i connect the phone using the cable, but when the phone is in regular mode, it doesnt recognise the card | 18:52 |
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| uhsf | so i have to run a dns server on my pc even if i already have one in my router | 18:53 |
| ScribbleJ | uhsf, or else configure your pc to forward the traffic apprpriatelyt. | 18:53 |
| ScribbleJ | You're kind of new to computers I take it. | 18:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, because DNS is Computers 101. . . . | 18:54 |
| uhsf | i'm new with some things, not new with others | 18:54 |
| ScribbleJ | GeneralAntilles, I think the basic problem he is having is not understanding that his n900 has to be able to communicate with his router to get dns from it. | 18:54 |
| ScribbleJ | That sort of ... these two things are not connected issue... is below computers 101. | 18:55 |
| uhsf | security and networking is something i don't like so i just set it once and forget about it | 18:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | ScribbleJ, you've lost touch with reality. | 18:55 |
| ScribbleJ | That's probably true. | 18:55 |
| kov | I would say it should work out of the box | 18:55 |
| ScribbleJ | But you shoudl see the view from my ivory tower. | 18:55 |
| ScribbleJ | It's /awesome/. | 18:55 |
| w00t | lost problem with reality, hehe. | 18:55 |
| w00t | I keep wondering just how far away from reality I'm getting right now. | 18:56 |
| kov | connecting an openmoko to my laptop did work out of the box, with network manager having a 'shared' wired connection setup | 18:56 |
| kov | haven't tried the n900 in such a setup, given it gets along with my wireless router just fine, though | 18:56 |
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| kov | uhsf, are you using network manager in your laptop? | 18:56 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | anyone expierienceing problems with microsd cards on n900? | 18:56 |
| ScribbleJ | I am, naxxatoe. | 18:57 |
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| ScribbleJ | The problem I'm having is; the big ones are expensive. | 18:57 |
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| naxxatoe|mbp | lol | 18:57 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | i have tried a 4 gig one | 18:57 |
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| naxxatoe|mbp | and it doesnt work -.- | 18:58 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | cool thing is | 18:58 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | when i connect my phone using the cable | 18:58 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | the card shows up on the pc | 18:58 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: my 'losing touch of reality' case: connect4 is now 894 lines of code, and nearly multiplayer. it can already cope with variable size boards and variable numbers of players.. | 18:58 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | but its never recognised by the phone | 18:58 |
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| naxxatoe|mbp | any ideas? | 18:59 |
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| ScribbleJ | What format parititon is on it, naxxatoe ? | 18:59 |
| ScribbleJ | I mean... filesystme. | 18:59 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | vfat, but i tried ext2 and ext3 befor | 18:59 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: Aight, I sent him an email via Talk, so we'll see. | 18:59 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | what would you recommend? | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, as long as you have enough perspective to see it. *g* | 18:59 |
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| w00t | GeneralAntilles: I just know that it's totally and utterly spiralling out of control. Though I must admit I do look forward to playing a 10 player game on a 100x100 grid. | 19:00 |
| ScribbleJ | Well, I'm pretty sure the N900 builtin tools expect it to be vfat but beyond that I know nothing. | 19:00 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | well its vfat | 19:01 |
| ScribbleJ | I bought a 16gb uSD, put it in, and it worked, didn't do anything else. :) | 19:01 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | ScribbleJ: lucker | 19:01 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | mine doesnt bloody work -.- | 19:01 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | at lest not on de device itself | 19:01 |
| ScribbleJ | If I were in your shoesd. | 19:01 |
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| naxxatoe|mbp | ? | 19:02 |
| ScribbleJ | I guess I would start... what? dmesg? You can't put in/out the card while the N900 is running so that's less helpful. There's no fdisk, on the n900, is there? | 19:02 |
| ScribbleJ | I dunno. I'm going to go shower and let someone who isn't wildly speculating help. :P | 19:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ScribbleJ, since when can't you hotswap it? | 19:03 |
| ScribbleJ | Oh | 19:03 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | driver sd needs updating | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | ScribbleJ, the SIM is under the batt. | 19:03 |
| ScribbleJ | I'm thinking of my SIM card. I put them all in there once and forgot about it. | 19:03 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | in case that helps | 19:03 |
| ScribbleJ | Yeah | 19:03 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | from dmesg | 19:04 |
| ScribbleJ | So maybe you pulli t out, put it in, see what output of dmesg says, just to get started? | 19:04 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | nothing -.- | 19:05 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | i see mmc0: card 0007 is removed | 19:06 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | when i put it bakc in | 19:06 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | nothing | 19:06 |
| GAN900 | naxxatoe|mbp, you didn't partition it with an Apple partition map did you? | 19:06 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | nope i didnt | 19:06 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | partitioned it on windows | 19:06 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | just to be secure | 19:06 |
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| uhsf | adding <ip> <hostname> in /etc/hosts solved my problem. you could have told me just this instead of going through a huge dns/firewall discussion and i would've understand | 19:10 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 19:14 |
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| ScribbleJ | In retrospect, that's obviously a good solution, uhsf, I didn't think of it because typically using /etc/hosts for dns is a bad idea. | 19:15 |
| LuciusMare | as i heard of these law rambles involving nintendo emulators on n900... porting vba is not illegal, isn't it? has nobody done it before? | 19:15 |
| ScribbleJ | But for you it's a good choice since you're only connecting to your PC anyhow, who cares? | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | LuciusMare, no, it's not illegal. | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | LuciusMare, VGBA is available in Extras. | 19:15 |
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| LuciusMare | oh | 19:17 |
| LuciusMare | i didnt see it | 19:17 |
| LuciusMare | >_> | 19:17 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 19:19 | |
| uhsf | i'm trying to set up synergy but synergyc on the n900 gives error while loading shared libraries: libXinerama.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 19:20 |
| th3_4zarado | Lucretia lucretia | 19:20 |
| th3_4zarado | my future girlfriend | 19:21 |
| th3_4zarado | rs | 19:21 |
| * VDVsx sends more drinks to Stskeeps :D | 19:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, defended? | 19:22 |
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| ShadowJK | apt-get install libxinerama, complain to whoever made synergy package for maemo | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: and passed | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, woo. | 19:24 |
| uhsf | ShadowJK: i tried apt-get install libxinerama already. Couldn't find package libxinerama | 19:24 |
| Dassu | has somebody here ran mythtv on n900 ? | 19:24 |
| uhsf | ShadowJK: there is no package it's just a binary | 19:25 |
| angasule | does the N900 support 16GB or 32GB on the external card? | 19:25 |
| ScribbleJ | Dassu, no need; mythtv does dlna/upnp, no? | 19:25 |
| luke-jr | lol, go figure I actually need to do some degree of implementing MMS for pay-work XD | 19:25 |
| ScribbleJ | Although dlna is busted in pr1.1 | 19:26 |
| thresh | is it? | 19:26 |
| uhsf | mythtv on the n900? what's the use without tv tuner? | 19:26 |
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| Dassu | ScribbleJ: hmm | 19:26 |
| frals | ssh: connect to host gitorious.org port 22: Connection refused | 19:26 |
| frals | doh! | 19:26 |
| Dassu | ScribbleJ: I have never used those O_o can you give me an exmaple how they would work? | 19:26 |
| luke-jr | uhsf: I imagine he means the client | 19:26 |
| ScribbleJ | Yes, no video. Well, it freezes on the first frame. There's a bug report in, says is fixed is 1.2 | 19:27 |
| thresh | ah, alrite. i think i've only listened to music. | 19:27 |
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| Dassu | uhsf: the video is of course streamed through the internet :D | 19:27 |
| ScribbleJ | Dassu, connect to lan, go to media player, find mythtb listed at bottom magically. | 19:27 |
| Dassu | uhsf: that's the beauty of hte mythtv. It only needs one machine for recording | 19:27 |
| ScribbleJ | Over net, mythweb has flash streaming that might work.. have not tried. | 19:28 |
| ScribbleJ | Used to work great on my laptop though. | 19:28 |
| thresh | VLC works fine as a streaming flv server too | 19:28 |
| uhsf | mythtv is so huge for the n900. mysql, qt, etc. when mplayer can do the same | 19:28 |
| Dassu | eh... not gonna use VLC as I already have darwin that I used for streaming over 3G | 19:28 |
| Dassu | but mythtv on N900 is required for wlan use | 19:29 |
| ScribbleJ | uhsf, he'd only put the clioent on, presumably. | 19:29 |
| luke-jr | uhsf: clients require MySQL? Qt should be standard on any system. | 19:29 |
| angasule | why the limit to 16GB on the external microSD (if it's indeed correct)? or can I use a 32GB microSD? | 19:29 |
| Caesium | don't think they exist? | 19:29 |
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| Dassu | uhsf: it doesn't require mysql since that can ran on the server | 19:29 |
| maromader | hi everyone | 19:29 |
| Caesium | ooh they do | 19:29 |
| * Caesium will buy one and try it | 19:30 | |
| Dassu | uhsf: only thing that is needed is ssh (for tunnels) and then the mythfrontend and qt also | 19:30 |
| maromader | anyone here tried repartitioning their n900? | 19:30 |
| Caesium | angasule: ah pre-order :( | 19:30 |
| ShadowJK | uhsf: well, apt-cache search reveals a libxinerama1 | 19:30 |
| uhsf | i still prefer mplayer. which can do the same | 19:30 |
| maromader | I have problem with partition and device names | 19:30 |
| Dassu | uhsf: do the same? O_o | 19:30 |
| thresh | like, play files? | 19:31 |
| thresh | every player can do that, i suppose | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK | angasule: it's only tested with 16 becuse no 32g cards existed | 19:31 |
| Dassu | I guess it can't really show program guide, list recordings and stream them with rewind support | 19:31 |
| thresh | at least that's usually what they're meant for. | 19:31 |
| Dassu | and also the live tv | 19:31 |
| maromader | when I do 'cat /proc/partitions', I get mmcblk0p1, mmcblk1p1, mmcblk1p2, mmcblk1p3 | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK | maybe you'll be the first. | 19:31 |
| Dassu | MythTV runs on N900 that's for sure. But I haven't manage to do that | 19:31 |
| maromader | but when I do 'ls /dev/mmc*', I get: mmcblk0p1, mmcblk0p2, mmcblk0p3, mmcblk1p1 | 19:31 |
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| Dassu | Mine segfaults at the startup | 19:32 |
| ShadowJK | maromader: there's some crazy renaming going om :) | 19:32 |
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| xorAxAx | cehteh: dont you want to join #dwimd? | 19:32 |
| ShadowJK | /dev/mmcblk1p1 is probably microsd | 19:32 |
| uhsf | mplayer -tv will play any streams from my tuner card that has uhf antennas plugged in directly | 19:32 |
| maromader | ShadowJK, yeah, and I can't mount some partitions because of that | 19:32 |
| ShadowJK | huh. | 19:33 |
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| uhsf | ty ShadowJK i'm relearning debian everyday now | 19:33 |
| maromader | I've reflashed with vanilla and pr1.1, still the same | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | yes my device has it too | 19:34 |
| maromader | haven't touched the disk partitions yet | 19:34 |
| maromader | when I check with sfdisk, partitions look ok | 19:34 |
| LuciusMare | aw. wiicontrol is not exactly what i wanted, i am more fammiliar with wminput actually - do you think it will take some code editing? | 19:34 |
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| uhsf | ahah i got synergy working! | 19:34 |
| Dassu | Well | 19:34 |
| Dassu | I guess. I dont need mythtv that much although it would be really cool. | 19:35 |
| maromader | ShadowJK, in /etc/fstab for example, mmcblk0p2 is mounted as /home, and in 'mount' that's correct | 19:35 |
| maromader | but according to /proc/partitions mmcblk0p2 does not exist | 19:35 |
| Dassu | so I won't fix that problem :/ | 19:35 |
| uhsf | my cursor and keyboard is now going seemlessly back and forth from my pc, notebook, freerunner, and n900 now! | 19:35 |
| angasule | I hadn't noticed the N900 has an IR transceiver | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | I only quickly read through the init process, but I think fstab is mostly ignored | 19:36 |
| Dassu | Btw, does the default media player have a "search for tracks in a playlist" feature? | 19:37 |
| maromader | ok, I'll try repartitioning one more time using Ruskie's method and see what happens | 19:37 |
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| uhsf | the only annoying thing is that synergy doesn't wake the n900 display | 19:38 |
| uhsf | so i still have to trigger the lock switch to see anything | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | uhsf, set it to not turn off the backlight when connected to power? | 19:40 |
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| uhsf | Display stays lit when charging FTW! | 19:43 |
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| SplasPood | Dassu: if I'm not mistaken mythfrontend will require the mysql client libs since it makes a direct connection to the db, but I could be completely wrong... | 19:46 |
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| maromader | ok, I don't know what to do now. there is file /dev/mmcblk0p6, but in /proc/partitions there's mmcblk1p6. When I do 'mount /dev/mmcblk0p6 /mnt' I get: Invalid argument. when i do the same with mmcblk1p6, I get No such file or directory. any suggestions? | 19:55 |
| maromader | Maybe I'll make symlink... | 19:55 |
| maromader | no, I get 'Invalid argument' | 19:56 |
| satmd | hehe, symlink won't do | 19:56 |
| satmd | what is the output of ls -l /dev/mmcblk0p6? | 19:56 |
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| maromader | brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 179, 14 Feb 5 18:49 /dev/mmcblk0p6 | 19:56 |
| satmd | mmh, now if I remembered the mknod numbers for mmcblk... | 19:57 |
| satmd | basically you need mknod b MAJOR MINOR /dev/mmcblk1p6 | 19:57 |
| satmd | but I don't know MAJOR/MINOR | 19:57 |
| maromader | MAKEDEV will help? | 19:58 |
| satmd | might help yeah | 19:58 |
| maromader | or any tips with udev? | 19:58 |
| satmd | cd /dev ; MAKEDEV mmc | 19:58 |
| satmd | mh | 19:58 |
| satmd | udevadm trigger ... but I don't know yet if that exists | 19:58 |
| maromader | Nokia-N900-51-1:/dev# MAKEDEV mmc | 19:58 |
| maromader | .udevdb presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. | 19:58 |
| maromader | udevadm trigger shows nothing... | 19:59 |
| satmd | it never does ;) | 19:59 |
| maromader | so, maybe I'll reboot and see what happens? | 20:00 |
| satmd | it will trigger creation of node files | 20:00 |
| satmd | did it create mmcblk1p6? | 20:00 |
| maromader | no | 20:00 |
| satmd | :( | 20:00 |
| satmd | then maybe reboot | 20:00 |
| maromader | ok | 20:00 |
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| maromader | here goes nothing... | 20:00 |
| maromader | yeah, I thought so. already changed fstab, and /usr is empty, so n900 won't boot. time for another reflash | 20:01 |
| maromader | I'll try repartitioning on vanilla this time | 20:02 |
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| satmd | good luck | 20:08 |
| maromader | well, after reflash with vanilla ssh was already installed... any way to completely wipe the n900 and have it as it came in the package? | 20:09 |
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| maromader | and when I check without reflashing pr1.1, it still has bug with mmcblk0 in /proc/partitions = mmcblk1 in /dev/mmc* | 20:09 |
| maromader | I have no idea why it worked the first time i tried repartitioning | 20:10 |
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| maromader | but I know how to beat this :> | 20:10 |
| maromader | I'll remove the microsd and see what happens | 20:10 |
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| woglinde | hello from brusel | 20:12 |
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| maromader | oh, Poland here btw :-) | 20:12 |
| woglinde | no | 20:12 |
| woglinde | I am from germany | 20:13 |
| woglinde | but I will attend fosdem | 20:13 |
| villemv | germany, poland... this won't end well | 20:13 |
| maromader | don't worry, war ended long time ago ;) | 20:13 |
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| satmd | the vanilla only flashes the emmc, you shall flash the firmware, too | 20:16 |
| satmd | (taken from the wiki) | 20:16 |
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| maromader | yeah, i flashed with vanilla, then with pr1.1 | 20:16 |
| maromader | give me a second | 20:17 |
| satmd | then there shouldn't be sshd running | 20:17 |
| maromader | correct | 20:17 |
| satmd | random guess I take... it is booting from another place? | 20:18 |
| maromader | I'll know in a minutr | 20:18 |
| maromader | minute | 20:18 |
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| maromader | so, vanilla only flashes /home? | 20:19 |
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| mgedmin | hey, according to powertop FBReader wakes up once per second! | 20:20 |
| villemv | btw, anyone using scratchbox on Lucid? | 20:20 |
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| mgedmin | but I turned off its clock in the indicator line, which was supposed to fix that! | 20:20 |
| villemv | I have the vdso = 0 problem, as if it didn't work | 20:20 |
| maromader | mgedmin, it checks if you perhaps turned the clock on ;-) | 20:21 |
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| mgedmin | anyway ~60% of time is spent in C3 state, only 30% in C4 | 20:21 |
| maromader | satmd, good news, now I have only mmcblk0* everywhere, this should work out fine :) | 20:22 |
| satmd | :) | 20:22 |
| satmd | mmcblk1 would be a sd card | 20:22 |
| satmd | dunno what happened | 20:22 |
| maromader | yeah, I know | 20:22 |
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| maromader | any estimations on how many times I can make reflashes and repartitioning before drives wear out? | 20:24 |
| woglinde | half year? | 20:25 |
| villemv | up until the warranty runs out | 20:25 |
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| Kegetys | 10000-100000 times? If it is some ordinary flash | 20:25 |
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| maromader | btw, there were interesting effects when I repartitioned the first time without backing up /home/user - there were no flash or other plugins in microb, images from all the filesystem would show up in gallery, etc. | 20:27 |
| maromader | looks like system isn't self contained - when you clean /home/user, it won't re-initialize it with defaults | 20:27 |
| * satmd wiped the .qf that way | 20:28 | |
| satmd | unlucky me | 20:28 |
| villemv | typically you would flash the mmc image for that | 20:29 |
| villemv | I wonder how publically available it is | 20:29 |
| maromader | it's the vanilla image | 20:29 |
| villemv | ah, so you got it already | 20:29 |
| maromader | you can grab it from the official images page | 20:30 |
| maromader | yeah | 20:30 |
| villemv | and it doesn't work for you? | 20:30 |
| maromader | oh, it works now | 20:30 |
| ShadowJK | is google transliteration supposed to work in n900 browser? | 20:30 |
| maromader | there was problem with mismathed devices when I had microsd plugged in | 20:30 |
| villemv | ah | 20:30 |
| maromader | original /home/user has almost 600 MB of data included, sheesh | 20:32 |
| maromader | unless I accidentally made a synlink loop somewhere :) | 20:32 |
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| siriusnova | so today i managed to do all my office work ok my N900 | 20:35 |
| siriusnova | *on | 20:35 |
| siriusnova | without my laptop | 20:35 |
| siriusnova | lol | 20:35 |
| maromader | gratz :) | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 20:35 |
| siriusnova | yeah i left my laptop at my hotel room by accident | 20:36 |
| siriusnova | i ended up using my N900 as my main computer | 20:36 |
| siriusnova | lol | 20:36 |
| maromader | I predict you will do that more often :) | 20:36 |
| SpeedEvil | A slightly better keyboard would be nice generally | 20:36 |
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| woglinde | lol | 20:36 |
| * luke-jr decided last night that he won't get a handheld with under 4" display <.< | 20:36 | |
| siriusnova | if only the battery life would be better | 20:36 |
| SpeedEvil | other than that most stuff is workable if not great | 20:36 |
| woglinde | I tried kinetic dscrolling on my n810 | 20:36 |
| maromader | luke-jr, how big n900 is? | 20:37 |
| scr4ve | 3.5 afaik | 20:37 |
| maromader | siriusnova, try offline mode some time :) | 20:37 |
| siriusnova | the N900 screams for being online | 20:37 |
| scr4ve | 800x480 anyway | 20:37 |
| siriusnova | i dont get why Nokia includes such a gimpy battery | 20:38 |
| maromader | luke-jr, you can always connect tv or projector ;) | 20:38 |
| siriusnova | for a web tablet that screams online with skype, instant mesaging and email | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | maromader: not really | 20:38 |
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| luke-jr | N900 = 3.5" 800x480 | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | C760 = 4.1" 640x480 | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | luke-jr, get a zooming lens | 20:39 |
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| luke-jr | mgedmin: ... | 20:39 |
| * mgedmin is reminded of the movie Brazil | 20:39 | |
| siriusnova | who is luke-jr | 20:41 |
| siriusnova | o | 20:41 |
| siriusnova | wrong irc | 20:41 |
| siriusnova | :) | 20:41 |
| luke-jr | ... | 20:41 |
| siriusnova | anyway i heard someone was making an extended battery pack for the N900 | 20:41 |
| siriusnova | mugen i believe | 20:41 |
| SpeedEvil | ~luke-jr | 20:41 |
| villemv | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/rootstrap-index/ | 20:41 |
| villemv | shouldn't that have fremantle too? | 20:42 |
| villemv | blah | 20:44 |
| villemv | just maemo-sdk bug it appears | 20:44 |
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| maromader | anyone with massive amount of applications from all repositories? | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I've only got around 30 | 20:50 |
| RST38h | moo. | 20:51 |
| woglinde | moo | 20:51 |
| maromader | I'm interested in your du -sh /* | 20:51 |
| moo-_- | me! | 20:51 |
| maromader | show me directories with most used space | 20:51 |
| woglinde | hms | 20:52 |
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| maromader | I think around 5MB for /etc | 20:52 |
| maromader | how much for /var? | 20:52 |
| maromader | should it be on it's own partition? | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | /home/user/horseporn 84838438 | 20:52 |
| woglinde | have tomy ntbooks updates are through | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | 62.7M in /var | 20:52 |
| woglinde | bu to th beern810 | 20:52 |
| woglinde | args | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | apt and cache stuff | 20:53 |
| woglinde | I have the way revent now on n810 | 20:53 |
| siriusnova | gah /root 60MB | 20:54 |
| siriusnova | ffs | 20:54 |
| siriusnova | Noia | 20:54 |
| siriusnova | Nokia | 20:54 |
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| siriusnova | :| | 20:54 |
| maromader | siriusnova, always something new, huh? :-) | 20:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | siriusnova: odd. | 20:54 |
| maromader | siriusnova, du -sh /root/* | 20:54 |
| siriusnova | well i meant / | 20:54 |
| siriusnova | :p | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 20:54 |
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| siriusnova | and im being deliberately cautious and cleaning up after apps | 20:55 |
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| siriusnova | Nokia deserves a kick in the gonads for designing a Linux based device with ~70MB free / | 20:55 |
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| maromader | and as for repartitioning wthout microsd... mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p6 on /tmp/usr failed: Invalid argument | 20:56 |
| maromader | W. T. F. | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | it wasnt that bad an issue in os2008 though | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not quite simple. | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | (<maromader> should it be on it's own partition?) | 20:56 |
| villemv | the gonad kicking has proceeded for quite a while already | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 20:56 |
| infobot | hmm... optification is a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | There are good reasons for 256M / | 20:56 |
| maromader | dockane_, I like FHS | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't partition a 256M root device | 20:57 |
| maromader | s dockane_ / DocScrutinizer | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | well - you can - but only smaller | 20:57 |
| PaulAnagrama | Hey, check out my new Toyota keyboaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | 20:57 |
| PaulAnagrama | :-) | 20:57 |
| siriusnova | lol | 20:57 |
| PaulAnagrama | what's the file where power button menu is defined? | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | maromader: I think /var, /usr, /tmp etc should have own partitions | 20:57 |
| maromader | DocScrutinizer, trying to do exaclty that | 20:57 |
| maromader | well, /tmp is by default in RAM, thank god | 20:58 |
| siriusnova | i dont see why in this day and age we need multiple partitions on a consumer device | 20:58 |
| agi | has anyone sync'ed his n900 using msynctool from his pc?? I keep getting a not-googleable "error while connecting: Not a start node" | 20:58 |
| woglinde | with 1 mb | 20:58 |
| siriusnova | im not going to be swapping out chips with a new rootfs or /usr | 20:58 |
| siriusnova | :p | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, can anybody tell me where to find powertop please? | 20:58 |
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| woglinde | doc sudo gainroot | 20:58 |
| villager | siriusnova: because big flashdisks are slow, small flashdisks are fast, so they partition the core stuff on the small one | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer someone uploaded it to t.m.o | 20:58 |
| woglinde | powertop | 20:59 |
| villemv | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333 | 20:59 |
| siriusnova | herm | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | infobot, powertop is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333 | 20:59 |
| infobot | okay, mgedmin | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | cool | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | ~powertop | 20:59 |
| infobot | i guess powertop is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333 | 20:59 |
| villager | siriusnova: that's at least the idea behind it... they still messed it up a bit, but anyway | 20:59 |
| villemv | no, I'm pretty sure it's http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333 | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | infobot, powertop is can be downloaded from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333 | 20:59 |
| infobot | ...but powertop is already something else... | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | and also that didn't make grammatical sense | 21:00 |
| woglinde | is can be | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | infobot, powertop is available from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333 | 21:00 |
| infobot | ...but powertop is already something else... | 21:00 |
| maromader | ohh, I found the bug, ha! :-) | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | this is where my bot-fu is insufficient | 21:00 |
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| flux | infobot, no, powertop is foo | 21:01 |
| infobot | okay, flux | 21:01 |
| flux | infobot, no, powertop is available from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333 | 21:01 |
| infobot | okay, flux | 21:01 |
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| woglinde | ~powertop | 21:02 |
| infobot | i heard powertop is available from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333 | 21:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | .zip - fsck | 21:03 |
| ShadowJK | what, i need user account to use ovi store? :-( | 21:03 |
| ShadowJK | cba | 21:03 |
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| maromader | Shadikka, Nokia is still learning, give them a break :) | 21:04 |
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| * ShadowJK was scrolling up looking for shadik... and then realized | 21:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer | which genius suggested to *zip* it??? :-( | 21:05 |
| onen|openBmap | DocScrutinizer: hallo | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi onen|openBmap | 21:06 |
| ShadowJK | docscrutinizer: So this is why someone would call it a cesspool | 21:06 |
| adeus | well miniunzip is available :) | 21:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer mumbles evil swearwords while figuring how to install friggin uzip | 21:07 | |
| adeus | but that's still better than the "advanced" packaging of emacs | 21:07 |
| onen|openBmap | DocScrutinizer: sth came to my mind. I was thinking I could start porting my logger to maemo, using the sdk, even if I don't have the hardware. Do you think it sounds realistic (regarding sdk tools, python support, pythton-glib support, emulator(?) ) | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | idiocy | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | onen|openBmap: well I think it should be feasible | 21:07 |
| ShadowJK | your what? | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | logger? | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I dunno how much useful info you actually may gather from modem | 21:08 |
| onen|openBmap | DocScrutinizer: ok, good. I will try to see what I can do :-) | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: openbmap | 21:08 |
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| onen|openBmap | DocScrutinizer: yes I know. but I wil lbe ready then for the day a real gsm api is available ;-) | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | onen|openBmap: check out pnatd | 21:09 |
| * ShadowJK suspects ofono is the best you'll get | 21:09 | |
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| onen|openBmap | ShadowJK: gsm + gps logging, in order to build a free to use database of measures. This can be used for computing the coverage of gsm cells, and then display them on a map, get your latitude/longitude position from gsm signal, etc. | 21:10 |
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| onen|openBmap | DocScrutinizer: don't hold your breath though, time is scarce these days :-( | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | is there a bug asking for a powertop deb? | 21:10 |
| onen|openBmap | DocScrutinizer: but I will try to go ahead regularly | 21:10 |
| villemv | ~powertop | 21:11 |
| infobot | somebody said powertop was available from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333 | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I havealogger that logs cell info | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | oh I wrote a CellID+signalstrength+gpslocation logger in python on S60 for fun once :) | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | however - I can't redistribute | 21:11 |
| onen|openBmap | SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: www.openbmap.org | 21:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | onen|openBmap: you ever looked at http://www.skyhookwireless.com/howitworks/ ? | 21:12 |
| SpeedEvil | onen|openBmap: no - nokia survey app | 21:12 |
| onen|openBmap | DocScrutinizer: skyhookwireless, IIRC data are not free | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:12 |
| onen|openBmap | DocScrutinizer: so what did you want to point me with them exactly? | 21:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | onen|openBmap: just to look how it's done elsewhere. Maybe get some new ideas, or whatever | 21:13 |
| onen|openBmap | SpeedEvil: if you want to develop or port existing logging client, I will bring you all the support I can ;-) | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | onen|openBmap: naah - I have a binary 'log all system activity and report back to nokia' installed | 21:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I can;t redistribute this | 21:15 |
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| onen|openBmap | DocScrutinizer: ah ok. sure. From time to time I look at others. But sometimes it also "orientates" your thinking, and you are stuck because you cannot legally copy the method. | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: what's this crap??? | 21:15 |
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| maromader | ok, the bug with mount /dev/mmcblk0p1: Invalid argument was in /etc/fstab - /dev/mmcblk0p1 was already configured there as /usr, and because it wasn't a remount or bind, system threw up an arror | 21:16 |
| onen|openBmap | ShadowJK: same proposal to you, if you are interested in developping/porting a logging application for maemo... | 21:16 |
| maromader | fix is to mount mmcblk0p6 before making changes in /etc/fstab | 21:16 |
| ShadowJK | I don't have the spare time unfortunately :( | 21:16 |
| onen|openBmap | DocScrutinizer: calm down, Doc, he meant report everything to google ;-) | 21:16 |
| onen|openBmap | ShadowJK: I know too well this issue :-( | 21:17 |
| SpeedEvil | onen|openBmap: no - nokia | 21:17 |
| onen|openBmap | SpeedEvil: just joking | 21:17 |
| onen|openBmap | ok guys I am off. bye | 21:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's a risk I accept - and have straced it - it doesn't seem to be doinbg anything too bad. And hte logs are cleartext. | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: any way you could elaborate on this intriguing story? | 21:17 |
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| mgedmin | sounds like he was given a debugging tool to debug some bug | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: as on "why, where from, who, w*..." | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I got an email to the address on my nokia.co.uk order. This invited me to participate in a program to do UI research. I install app, and after several weeks, get 50 quid voucher. | 21:18 |
| mgedmin | ah, research! | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn | 21:19 |
| woglinde | okay | 21:19 |
| woglinde | time for beerevent now | 21:19 |
| woglinde | till later maybee | 21:19 |
| maromader | SpeedEvil, if it bricks your phone beyond reflashing, will the give you new one? | 21:19 |
| mgedmin | SpeedEvil, please use more xterm and vim, I want nokia UI designers to optimize for those use cases | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | time for weekend dinner event here | 21:19 |
| mgedmin | e.g. the current VKB is just horrible for vim | 21:19 |
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| maromader | anybody thinks alarm indicator should be located in other indicators area rather than near the clock? | 21:21 |
| SplasPood | Ahh the FOSDEM beer event? I remember it well | 21:21 |
| SplasPood | or rather, I remember bits and pieces of it, rest is a blur | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: please type in many IP addresses | 21:22 |
| ShadowJK | (this thread of conversation is ludicrous) | 21:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/log.xml - what it logs | 21:22 |
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| Stskeeps | #!/scratchbox/tools/bin/perl -w | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | .. what scratchbox do to people | 21:28 |
| maromader | what's scratchbox? | 21:29 |
| maromader | some kind of chroot system? | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | something that keeps me awake at night | 21:29 |
| moo-_- | maromader: maemo development environment | 21:29 |
| moo-_- | chroot, yes | 21:29 |
| maromader | oh | 21:29 |
| maromader | nice | 21:29 |
| moo-_- | I think it supports x86 and qemu | 21:30 |
| moo-_- | but the other of those was not very well functional | 21:30 |
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| alexj_ | Hello, there, of late the mouse mode on my n900 browser seems to have disappeared, when i swipe from left to right the whole page moves, any idea what might be wrong | 21:34 |
| maromader | alexj_, installed any plugins? | 21:34 |
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| alexj_ | user the meamo-geolocation | 21:34 |
| alexj_ | nothing else | 21:34 |
| maromader | alexj_, maybe try uninstalling it and see what happens? | 21:35 |
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| alexj_ | ok sure | 21:35 |
| alexj_ | will give it a try, thanks | 21:35 |
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| mgedmin | alexj_, are you swiping in the right place? | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | it only works near the bottom of the screen afaiu | 21:38 |
| alexj_ | yeah i am swiping at the bottom | 21:39 |
| alexj_ | even after uninstall it doesnt work | 21:39 |
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| alexj_ | something is weird | 21:39 |
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| alexj_ | when on 3G with no usage the battery brains very fast | 21:40 |
| asj_ | reflash everything | 21:42 |
| alexj_ | ok, planning to do that today | 21:42 |
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| tybollt | ? | 21:42 |
| asj_ | do the emmc too | 21:42 |
| tybollt | reflashing now helps against batt drainage? :) | 21:42 |
| asj_ | tybollt: when you have a runaway process and scewed up rc files sure it does | 21:43 |
| tybollt | yay | 21:44 |
| tybollt | runaway procs | 21:44 |
| alexj_ | asj_: really do i have to reflash emmc too | 21:44 |
| alexj_ | which order ? | 21:44 |
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| asj_ | alexj_: it's either that or drop to the command line and find out what's broken by using some good linux admin skills | 21:45 |
| asj_ | alexj_: order shouldn't mater | 21:45 |
| Matthew- | HMMM any way of forwarding specific numbers? | 21:45 |
| Matthew- | or rejecting them ? | 21:46 |
| alexj_ | i thought only my home directory contents are on the emmc | 21:46 |
| alexj_ | aah my .profile files might be causing something for the battery drain | 21:47 |
| alexj_ | ? | 21:47 |
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| mgedmin | alexj_, have you looked with top whether there are any apps running? | 21:48 |
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| alexj_ | yes i have and no apps are running | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | e.g. the thumbnailer might have gone amok indexing everything under your home directory | 21:48 |
| mgedmin | did powertop give any hints? | 21:48 |
| alexj_ | i even rebooted my phone | 21:48 |
| alexj_ | ok i dont have powertop but rather i have htop | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | htop is fine for finding active stuff | 21:49 |
| Matthew- | htop kills ur battery :D | 21:49 |
| alexj_ | Matthew-: i just fired it up | 21:49 |
| Matthew- | alexj_: ah ok | 21:49 |
| alexj_ | :) | 21:49 |
| Matthew- | alexj_: use console -> top | 21:49 |
| Matthew- | ;-) | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | ~powertop | 21:50 |
| infobot | somebody said powertop was available from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333 | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | I just stared at htop's output and it said my n900 was idle | 21:50 |
| alexj_ | weird, already starting using swap since memory is full | 21:50 |
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| mgedmin | but powertop told me FBReader did 1 wakeup per second | 21:50 |
| alexj_ | and the phone is not running any app | 21:50 |
| alexj_ | aah | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | iirc the n900 starts using swap just after boot | 21:50 |
| redeeman | well shortly after | 21:51 |
| mgedmin | I was pleasantly surprised to find it working snappily with a few hundred megs of swap used | 21:51 |
| mgedmin | well, okay, a couple hundred | 21:51 |
| redeeman | because most of the swapped stuff is not the actively in use stuff | 21:51 |
| redeeman | i never reach 200mb swap | 21:51 |
| mgedmin | then again if you open a big website and swap most of your core OS out, _then_ the n900 becomes very sluggish | 21:51 |
| alexj_ | mgedmin: that figures | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | kinda sucks when you open the camera lens cover and then have to wait 10 seconds for the app to start up | 21:52 |
| maromader | anybody knows how to stop indexing files from /usr? after repartitioning all images and system sounds show up in image browser and media player, instead of the files from /home/user directory | 21:53 |
| mgedmin | although maybe that was the adhoc wifi memory leak, which killed performance entirely | 21:53 |
| mgedmin | large websites in normal use result in jaggy UI animations; I don't remember if I tried using camera in that situation | 21:54 |
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| alexj_ | maromader: wondering if it uses so much resources indexing , i havent seen any good searching app for the n900 | 21:54 |
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| alexj_ | any suggestions | 21:54 |
| mgedmin | maromader, look for tracker's config file somewhere in ~/.local, IIRC | 21:54 |
| maromader | alexj_, yeah, it uses about 33% cpu | 21:54 |
| yuizy | which repository contains libqt4-maemo5? | 21:55 |
| alexj_ | mgedmin: i like the option of sliding the lens protector to boot the app up , it was very fast | 21:55 |
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| mgedmin | good UI choice, that | 21:56 |
| alexj_ | any app to read the tracker index ? | 21:56 |
| maromader | mgedmin, thanks for the tip, it's in ~/.config/tracker/ | 21:56 |
| maromader | btw, you could change this value... | 21:57 |
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| maromader | # Minimizes memory use at the expense of indexing speed | 21:57 |
| maromader | LowMemoryMode=false | 21:57 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 22:00 |
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| maromader | ok, when you do repartitioning it's good idea to killall trackerd, otherwise it freaks out. any other good services to kill at the time? | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | you can fix trackerd | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | through its config file | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | if you don't want trackerd - you probably want to think about if you want to start the media player - as it pretty much relies on it | 22:09 |
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| maromader | SpeedEvil, no, I mean only when you do repartitioning | 22:09 |
| maromader | otherwise it's nice | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 22:10 |
| maromader | and yes, I think I have to fix the config file, otherwise it starts indexing /usr | 22:10 |
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| maromader | so it will be a 3 stage process - making new partitions, formatting and copying /usr, fixing tracker config | 22:11 |
| wazd | now we're rocking baby | 22:11 |
| wazd | let the dual 9800GT kick ass begin! | 22:11 |
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| satmd | mh, the irc plugin to contacts and conversations is hardly useful | 22:16 |
| satmd | there's no configurable ignore | 22:16 |
| Myrtti | any app that isn't specifically designed for IRC is mostly useless, IMO | 22:17 |
| satmd | same for pidgin too in that regard | 22:18 |
| anunakin | need patch pidgin msn chat room support | 22:18 |
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| Damion2 | my wifi successfully picks up stuff ia dhcp but then doesn't allow any out bound connection. tcpdump doesn't show my device even trying | 22:22 |
| Damion2 | yet gprs0 works | 22:22 |
| maromader | Damion2, check the power settings | 22:22 |
| Damion2 | maromader: I'm next to the AP | 22:23 |
| maromader | Damion2, Preferences -> Network connections -> Connections -> your wifi -> advanced -> other | 22:23 |
| Damion2 | dhcp works | 22:23 |
| maromader | no, power settings on your n900 | 22:23 |
| maromader | probably your wifi card works on the lowest setting | 22:23 |
| maromader | I had the same problem at the beginning :-) | 22:23 |
| Damion2 | it worked up until now | 22:24 |
| maromader | Nokia should switch that to at least medium on the default install | 22:24 |
| maromader | Damion2, check your power settings | 22:24 |
| Damion2 | I suspect a reboot will fix it but I want to debug this | 22:24 |
| Damion2 | it's on 100mw | 22:24 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know about debug, but ifconfig wlan0 down, and then rmmod and modprobe the driver (wl112x iirc?) sometimes fixed that issue for me | 22:25 |
| maromader | and the bottom one? | 22:25 |
| Damion2 | ShadowJK: ahha wl1* yeah hold on... | 22:25 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know how to debug it | 22:25 |
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| Damion2 | that worked | 22:26 |
| Damion2 | thanks. 1st time I've seen that | 22:27 |
| ShadowJK | happens twice a month for me | 22:27 |
| Damion2 | I was pissing around with adhoc yesterday | 22:28 |
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| Damion2 | I installed a proxy and was trying to manually sort joikuspot features without anything fancy | 22:28 |
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| Damion2 | it was 2am and I kept falling asleep and droppig the phone on my chest | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~powertop | 22:30 |
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| infobot | it has been said that powertop is available from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333 | 22:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~powertop is also http://www.2shared.com/file/11135428/bbe19274/powertop_111-1_armel.html | 22:37 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer51 | 22:37 |
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| newbie005 | anyone know what's the deal with unzip? It's still in testing or dev? | 22:45 |
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| zaheerm | lcuk, http://wiki.maemo.org/VideoEditor | 22:50 |
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| jophish | Am I correct in thinking that if I put a mount into /etc/fstab it won't be mounted automatically? | 22:50 |
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| luke-jr | jophish: depends on how you enter it of course | 22:50 |
| maromader | jophish, /etc/fstab is generated at boot time | 22:50 |
| jophish | sorry, in the /etc/events.d/rcS-late | 22:51 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 22:51 |
| luke-jr | eww | 22:51 |
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| maromader | luke-jr, cheer up, at least Nokia didn't go the Google way and make Maemo with Java only :-) | 22:52 |
| luke-jr | maromader: ... | 22:53 |
| maromader | ok, let's test my repartitioning scripts one more time... | 22:53 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: efika still messed up? | 22:55 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: haven't checked this week yet :) | 22:55 |
| luke-jr | probably tomorrow | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: N8x0 still messed up? :p | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: booted my Zaurus SL-C760 yesterday and noticed it was running 2.6.23 ;) | 22:57 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: yeah, that's a bit sad | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:57 |
| ds3 | luke-jr: you are using the Angstrom rom? | 22:57 |
| luke-jr | ds3: I had a custom-built OE image last time I flashed it | 22:58 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: looks like there may be a laser nanoprojector on the market soon | 22:58 |
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| luke-jr | which was quite some time ago | 22:58 |
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| luke-jr | yeah, 2006 <.< | 22:59 |
| ds3 | did the C760 have a hard drive? | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | ds3: no | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | but it did have a SD slot XD | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | CF slot was of course used for a Wifi card | 23:00 |
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| luke-jr | though it doesn't seem to work anymore | 23:00 |
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| ds3 | really wish they had an internal wireless method..even BT would be nice | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | I was thinking of combining it with a Nexus One or something, but then I realized A) 5 minute battery life still screws me up; B) Zaurus has no Bluetooth | 23:01 |
| RST38h | "Can You Trust Chinese Computer Equipment?" (C)Slashdot | 23:01 |
| * RST38h laughs satanically | 23:01 | |
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| juhovh | I believe the Chinese are asking themselves "Can You Trust American Computer Equipment?" at the same time :P | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | there's American computer equipment? <.< | 23:06 |
| Ken-Young | juhar, And the answer for both is no. | 23:06 |
| Ken-Young | Ooops - sorry to bug juhar . | 23:06 |
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| Matthew- | Hey, is it possible to block a number from calling me and texting me? | 23:21 |
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| Lumpio- | hm | 23:23 |
| Lumpio- | The media player seems to die if you try to play an unsupported file format | 23:24 |
| DangerMaus | heh | 23:24 |
| DangerMaus | not good | 23:24 |
| Lumpio- | Die, as in, it says the format is unsupported and refuses to play any videos before a reboot | 23:24 |
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| Z4lk | neat, ill try that sometime | 23:26 |
| DangerMaus | havent seen that one | 23:26 |
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| Lumpio- | Now I wonder why this file would be unsupported in the first place, hm | 23:28 |
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| Lumpio- | ah | 23:31 |
| Lumpio- | Is h264 not supported? | 23:31 |
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| maromader | oh, by the way, have you noticed the filesystem used in n900? | 23:34 |
| Lumpio- | Which one of them? :P | 23:34 |
| maromader | any with ext3? | 23:35 |
| luke-jr | maromader: hopefully not | 23:35 |
| luke-jr | ext3 is not designed for such storage | 23:35 |
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| Lumpio- | .../home is ext3 | 23:36 |
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| maromader | Lumpio-, really? | 23:37 |
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| Lumpio- | /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback) | 23:37 |
| Lumpio- | Says mount | 23:37 |
| maromader | awww... one more reason for repartitioning :) | 23:38 |
| LuciusMare | hi, i installed the adblock plus, but it does not seem to work - when i mouseover a flash, no "block" appears, and it does not block anything | 23:38 |
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| microlith | maromader: what do you plan on replacing the ext3 with? | 23:40 |
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| maromader | ext2 obviously | 23:40 |
| woglinde | re | 23:41 |
| microlith | mm, wouldn't want to have anything important on there, especially if you lose power | 23:41 |
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| maromader | microlith, you have battery, I assume ACPI subsystem is working and Linux will shut down the system with critical power status, right? | 23:42 |
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| maromader | microlith, besides, you think ext3 is good for SSD drive? | 23:42 |
| maromader | especially one you cannot replace easily? | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | i wouldn't call it ssd :) | 23:42 |
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| ShadowJK | I had one system running ext3 / rootfs... it ran 2 years, then the machine itself died, the SD card still lives :P | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | the swap will likely be more of a wear than ext3 anyway... | 23:44 |
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| Lumpio- | Ah, it would seem the video thing is h264 related too | 23:45 |
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| wazd_n800 | daaaaamn | 23:53 |
| Damion2 | .- | 23:53 |
| Damion2 | sorry | 23:53 |
| wazd_n800 | I've forgot sli bridge at my country! | 23:53 |
| wazd_n800 | epic fail | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 23:54 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, drank a beer for you recently :D | 23:56 |
| woglinde | mooooo | 23:56 |
| woglinde | he stskeep | 23:56 |
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| wazd_n800 | that stupid bridge costs 2 bucks (( It's actually more expensive to go to the country to pick it :D | 23:58 |
| microlith | ext3 will not kill a properly wear-levelled drive quickly. The journal incurs extra writes, but extra writes are better than data loss. | 23:58 |
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| microlith | the best solution would be something like LogFS or UBIFS, but eMMC makes those somewhat unnecessary | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | ext2 can really trash a sd fs, heh | 23:59 |
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