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| ifreq | can anyone help howto get scratchbox working with apt-get? | 00:06 |
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| inz | ifreq, like this: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/ ? | 00:07 |
| * sp3000 doesn't understand https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8679#c2 | 00:07 | |
| povbot | Bug 8679: Make calendar default view configurable via calendar settings menu | 00:07 |
| ifreq | inz: okay, sec | 00:08 |
| sp3000 | how is pref bloat, options separated from their immediate results, more convenient than implicit customizability by persisting view type? | 00:08 |
| sp3000 | sure, there's slight improvement for things like, same state whenever opened, but since it's largely dynamic content the muscle memory part doesn't really weigh that much | 00:10 |
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| n1c0 | lo | 00:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests a "make this view default" and "default to last state" button | 00:11 | |
| n1c0 | sms is nice with n900, well done ! | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather a toggle | 00:12 |
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| embedded | Hi to all | 00:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, because they're users. ;) | 00:15 |
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| * sp3000 dislikes options | 00:16 | |
| sp3000 | except the ones I change, those are awesome | 00:16 |
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| mikhas | n1c0, you can even continue your interrupted sms at a later point | 00:20 |
| mikhas | for each conversation, that is | 00:20 |
| n1c0 | yeah its cool | 00:21 |
| n1c0 | it's like instantmessage | 00:22 |
| Damion2 | does anyone know how I can map \033[M....... to ^I ? where the dots are regex style arbitrary charactors ? | 00:22 |
| mikhas | yup, telcos will be pleased with my increases sms usage | 00:22 |
| Damion2 | screen's bindkey wants exacts | 00:22 |
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| * sp3000 wonders if there's a doc for what was implemented for bug 5357 | 00:30 | |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# | 00:30 |
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| pupnik | hope y'all cashed out your 401k's | 00:37 |
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| Damion2 | why are ppl switching to tmux from screen? | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | cos scren rocks? | 00:41 |
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| Damion2 | so why are they switching? | 00:42 |
| Damion2 | it can't just be the licence | 00:42 |
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| ShadowJK | pupnik: something happened? | 00:44 |
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| ShadowJK | I have an impeccable ability to predict these things. whenever I buy a share, the stockmarket tends to collapse the next day. Guess I should start warning people | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | buying nokia stock? | 00:45 |
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| ShadowJK | i wish :) | 00:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | wah | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | kino tv is advertising Dexter | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | but i don't get it | 00:55 |
| red | Damion2: id like to know that too :p | 00:56 |
| Damion2 | red how to map stuff of what the fuss is about swicthing to tmux? | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK | timeless: hm :) | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK | dont get it why people still use texttv? | 00:58 |
| Damion2 | is that aalib output of mythtv? | 00:59 |
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| zash | ShadowJK: s/text// | 01:00 |
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| ShadowJK | Damion2: no it's digital data embedded in the analog tv signal. it carries 40*20 char text pages, up to 800ish different ones max, and you can pick with remote control which one to view | 01:01 |
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| ShadowJK | usually has tv programme info, news, sport results etc | 01:01 |
| Damion2 | like teletext? | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | same thing | 01:02 |
| Damion2 | right, never heard of texttv | 01:02 |
| Damion2 | subtitles were also sent | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | each country calls it something different... | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | videotext in germany iirc | 01:02 |
| * Damion2 had involvement in BBC R&D's developement of digital text mheg stream | 01:03 | |
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| Damion2 | the linux pcs which fed in to the transport stream ran my build of slackware | 01:03 |
| Damion2 | and my team supported the tcl based scripts on the sun server that fed the carosel of data | 01:04 |
| Damion2 | this was 1999/2000 ish | 01:04 |
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| red | mm, thinking of tethering N900 at school pc to connect the school PC directly into my linux server at home | 01:05 |
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| red | effectively being able to use folderwatching in realmtime and when i save stuff its at home directly | 01:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Does /usr/bin/smartcal core for otehrs? | 01:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | red: over usb? | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | school pc not connected to internet? | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | probably nasty filter? | 01:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: i don't think the usa really has it | 01:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | i've seen it in france, germany and finland | 01:08 |
| timeless_mbp | but it was one of those things that i think we missed | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hat's smartcal? | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | What* | 01:08 |
| timeless_mbp | the tv-text nonsense | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I dunno. | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I just know it coredumped when I ran it. | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I was going for smem | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/02/01/1555206/Nokia-N900-Linux-Smartphone-Running-OS-X?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | not that | 01:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.selenic.com/smem/ | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | that | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | man smartcal doesn't work here :-P | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | which is a handy memory tool that's a bit better | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | than my awk hack | 01:09 |
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| derf | timeless_mbp: We have "closed captions"... but nothing user-navigable. | 01:10 |
| timeless_mbp | closed captions are totally different | 01:10 |
| timeless_mbp | the text stuff is roughly speaking its own channel | 01:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | which happens to multiplex a whole bunch of 'text channels' | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK | timeless: sadly if you're looking for specific info like a channel's schedule or a sport channel's sport results, texttv is often faster and easier to navigate than the web pages :-) | 01:11 |
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| ShadowJK | they dont have that much room for extra crap on texttv pages | 01:11 |
| SpeedEvil | no. | 01:12 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | night. | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: well, the usa tv guide systems have worked much better than whatever for decades | 01:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | plus tivo solved epg over a decade ago | 01:12 |
| derf | I wouldn't agree. | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | The UK is fucking it up. | 01:12 |
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| derf | The TV guide system was horribly before Tivo. | 01:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | derf: the tv guide stuff i have here in .fi is worse than the tv guide i had in 1990 in the us | 01:13 |
| derf | Okay, that I can believe. | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | They are 'encrypting' the data in a manner that may stop STB makers using linux | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Though the data is required to be broadcast in the clear, they are encrypting the EPG - with a already leaked huffman code... | 01:13 |
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| derf | I've never really used the Tivo-style DVR-provided listings. | 01:14 |
| sp3000 | the ringtone selection dialog has a button that says "Done", right? | 01:14 |
| derf | But they look _so_ much better than the old system of having a dedicated channel that scrolled past the listings for 70+ channels... very... very... slow... ly... | 01:14 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp knows | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 01:15 |
| sp3000 | tx | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | 'more' [sic] and 'done' | 01:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | derf, you gotta target the slowest readers. ;) | 01:22 |
| derf | My solution was to just stop watching TV. | 01:23 |
| * SpeedEvil passes derf the super-shotgun to target the slowest readers with. | 01:24 | |
| * SpeedEvil is listening to more radio. | 01:24 | |
| SpeedEvil | radio4++ | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | UK speech radio. It's really - really not 'talk' radio as is known in the US. | 01:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qyyb - for example | 01:25 |
| ScribbleJ | Sure. | 01:25 |
| ScribbleJ | And a water fountain isn't a bubbler. | 01:25 |
| ScribbleJ | And a garage isn't a mechanic. | 01:25 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I'm going to promote vultures to diablo extras, if you don't mind. | 01:25 |
| Guest36580 | any idea if the fosdem schedule is available in binary, somewhere? | 01:25 |
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| Guest36580 | also, will there be n910 to play with? | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | cat /dev/random - and wait till it comes along? | 01:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | the above source also has pictures of tne n910, and video reviews. | 01:26 |
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| mtd | what's the easiest way to hack on modest (I'd like to try out some changes on my n900)? | 01:29 |
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| mtd | is it likely to be easily buildable on my n900? | 01:29 |
| Guest36580 | speedevil the bbc site does not | 01:30 |
| * mtd looks for git, fears library-dependency hell... | 01:30 | |
| ptl | apt-get source modest ? | 01:31 |
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| mtd | ptl: hmm, need to get sources in my sources.list... | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Guest3: no, it doesn't. The n910 is - as I understand it - not publically confirmed to exist - or ecvent to have that number. | 01:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | Guest: I was refering to /dev/random | 01:33 |
| ptl | n910? | 01:33 |
| ptl | c'mon | 01:33 |
| ptl | my n900 hasn't even arrived yet | 01:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Guest36580, lol. . . . | 01:34 |
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| Guest36580 | ah; k | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because Nokia ALWAYS does major product announcements at FOSDEM. . . . | 01:34 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ofcourse they're going to announce N910 running symbian, android, webos and even iphoneos and windows mobile, with turn-by-turn navigation, friggen lasers and ovi maps tha doesn'tsuck | 01:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | laser for pointing a stars, guided by the compass and gyro! | 01:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I dunno how people can say "Man, I'm just going to buy a Droid/iPhone/Pre/HD2/whatever". | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, nobody even comes close to matching Maemo. | 01:38 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: and then they're going to announce that "we're leaving to the community to implement all those features to the N900" | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, but taking down all of the source code repositories? *eg* | 01:38 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: some people in #mer are trying to port Mer to Droid. | 01:38 |
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| javispedro | can't wait for friggin lasers closed source drivers. | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just buy a freaking N900. . . . | 01:38 |
| mtd | GeneralAntilles: for which target audience? | 01:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Better keyboard, better screen, better build. | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | mtd, for ME. | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | mtd, since I'm clearly the only person who matters. ;) | 01:39 |
| mtd | GeneralAntilles: bigger, slower scrolling, more confusing software | 01:39 |
| mtd | GeneralAntilles: ah, then I agree. | 01:39 |
| javispedro | IT'S NOT SMOOTH! DEALBREAKER! | 01:39 |
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| mtd | GeneralAntilles: ah, then I agree. | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | mtd, bigger in which dimension? | 01:40 |
| mtd | ugh | 01:40 |
| mtd | GeneralAntilles: thickness | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Droid is a bit wider, I think. | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, boo hiss! Use the Council blog. | 01:41 |
| mtd | javispedro: you clearly have not given steve jobs enough money this week. | 01:41 |
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| zash | N900 with LAZORS!!! OMG GIF *starts throwing money around* | 01:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | It would be nice if stuff would be smooth | 01:41 |
| Damion2 | I'll be happy with a keyboard and accurate fingernail friendly touchscreen | 01:42 |
| * mtd awaits the rumours about laser-fearing iphone owners and warnings about overclocking the lasers | 01:42 | |
| SpeedEvil | Surely it can't be _that_ hard to have a fixed element - and a large off-screen fully mapped element that's blitted into place by the gpu | 01:42 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, cofh, cofh, I don't want to spend one hour editing a simple post ;) | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | r composited or something | 01:42 |
| mtd | SpeedEvil: nokia thinks we like it rough. | 01:43 |
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| * mtd should get back to pretending it may be possible to build modest | 01:43 | |
| derf | Nothing a good belt-sander can't fix. | 01:43 |
| pillar | I have just gotten used to it, scrolling is never smooth with nokia | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | But it could be so beautifully smooth with the hardware :/ | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | look at frigging bounce. | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | get rovio to do the UI! | 01:44 |
| pillar | yeah, I believe you | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Problem solved! | 01:44 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines angrybirds application launcher. | 01:44 | |
| pillar | even the bookmark view is laggy! | 01:45 |
| Damion2 | my scrolling is smoth | 01:45 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, humm, that remembers me, have to request some kind of syndication for the council blog (don't like midgard' engine') | 01:45 |
| Damion2 | smoothy | 01:45 |
| Damion2 | smooth | 01:45 |
| MistaED1 | xorg could be a major factor to the bad smooth, the linux desktop is the same | 01:45 |
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| MistaED1 | need moar xcb and less xlib so processes don't choke the xserver :( | 01:45 |
| mtd | Damion2: launch the email client, view your inbox, drag the view down until you can see above the "+ New mail" button | 01:46 |
| * VDVsx blames hildon, since Qt and EFL have very smoth and fast scroll | 01:46 | |
| Damion2 | I use alpine | 01:46 |
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| mtd | Damion2: watch your cpu get pegged and the image tear. | 01:46 |
| MistaED1 | android bypasses this entirely, they don't use an xserver | 01:46 |
| Damion2 | contacts scroll and browser scroll are smooth | 01:46 |
| mtd | Damion2: browser scroll is implemented completely differently. | 01:47 |
| MistaED1 | xorg can't do vsync, its design doesn't allow it so you get tearing | 01:47 |
| Damion2 | so they should fix the email client | 01:47 |
| javispedro | contacts is hardly smooth by steve jobs standards. | 01:47 |
| Damion2 | MistaED1: even with DRI or GL ? | 01:47 |
| MistaED1 | a better approach is to port the toolkits over to EGL directly | 01:47 |
| Damion2 | javispedro: it's as good as android | 01:48 |
| Damion2 | maybe we should have the debian user space with a freebsd based kernel | 01:48 |
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| MistaED1 | Damion2: hmm good question dri2 might've fixed it for the linux desktop | 01:48 |
| mtd | Damion2: do you have any idea what you're talking abojut? | 01:48 |
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| javispedro | Damion2: of course it's as good and usable as android! and I don't even have an iphone to compare but it's clearly not enough for tmo! =) | 01:48 |
| pillar | yeah, jobs just blamed flash and bluray to be not good enough for them, I don't want to hear what he says about n900 scrolling :) | 01:49 |
| Damion2 | mtd: macos was freebsd kernel based | 01:49 |
| pillar | then again, I don't want to hear anything else he says either.. | 01:49 |
| mtd | Damion2: that'd be a "no", then. ok. | 01:49 |
| Damion2 | I've used fbsd for months and it had a nicer lower latency feel than linux as a desktop in X | 01:49 |
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| MistaED1 | when Qt or GTK get rendered to the screen it goes through texture from pixmap, so the cpu renders the result to a pixmap, the EGL extension converts it to a texture and then the hildon compositor can display it | 01:50 |
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| mtd | Damion2: your ideas are compelling and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. | 01:51 |
| MistaED1 | this is very inefficient but gets the job done | 01:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer drools over his 150mW geen and his 405nm laser | 01:51 | |
| MistaED1 | but if they render via clutter (opengl es directly) it doesn't go through this path fortunately | 01:51 |
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| woglinde | MistaED1 qt-opengl should be the same as clutter | 01:52 |
| javispedro | MistaED1: rendering a interface using GLES is hardly much faster. | 01:52 |
| MistaED1 | does maemo do the texture from pixmap step on a GLES rendered context still? | 01:53 |
| javispedro | MistaED1: yes, except if the window is fullscreen. | 01:53 |
| MistaED1 | i'm guessing this is what hildon non composited window does to bypass it? | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | build a 405nm laser module to the screen slider. make screen slide open by servo. create spindle motor out of vibrator -> here you got your B&O alike DVD player on N900 XP | 01:54 |
| javispedro | MistaED1: that is now (mostly) gone. Fullscreen windows are unredirected by default. | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr bluray of course | 01:54 |
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| javispedro | friggin lasers! | 01:54 |
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| MistaED1 | javispedro: i did notice rendering panda3d samples in windowed mode to fullscreen makes the framerate double | 01:55 |
| javispedro | yep | 01:55 |
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| MistaED1 | i wonder though, would interfacing with xcb instead of xlib stop the stutters as well? xcb was all about low latency and being thread safe so that no single window would choke the whole xserver or something | 01:56 |
| javispedro | I think this doesn't have anything to do with latency, though... | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | spindle fixture plugged in to the 3.5mm AV hole to connect to the vibrator | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | comes with hansaplast patches ;-) "if ever you touch the spinning bluray disc accidentally and get hurt" | 01:59 |
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| iPeter- | Is there any themes to N900 (Maemo 5)? | 02:01 |
| Damion2 | mtd: you're being nasty. I simply joked that if android and maemo were too jerky for mr jobs then perhaps it was a linux vs iphoneos(macosx) difference, and from what I recall macosx was initially based on a freebsd kernel. I then commented that I'd used freebsd and found it gave a responsive X experience. | 02:01 |
| TomaszD | iPeter-, yes, check out Ovi Store | 02:02 |
| ifreq | is there a ncurses music player on maemo? | 02:02 |
| TomaszD | no, but I don't think it would be very hard to port one ifreq | 02:02 |
| TomaszD | bbl | 02:02 |
| ifreq | TomaszD: well ive ported mp3blaster but it needs heavy modification on UI as screen is quite small for it :P | 02:05 |
| ifreq | newer moc/cmus dont compile straight from the box | 02:05 |
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| Alicemirror | list | 02:08 |
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| Vanadis | hai thar | 02:09 |
| Alicemirror | hi | 02:10 |
| Alicemirror | i have a question | 02:10 |
| Vanadis | i just got my N900, anybody knows about installing dosbox on it? | 02:10 |
| Alicemirror | where i canfind for docs about terminal use on noppl | 02:10 |
| javispedro | Vanadis: it's on extras-testing, so you need to be lectured firstly about the dangers of untested software and backups and blabla. | 02:11 |
| Vanadis | kthx | 02:11 |
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| iPeter- | Is there any "must get" stuff to n900? | 02:13 |
| iPeter- | How bout that Android to N900 does it work? | 02:13 |
| zash | android vm thingy? | 02:14 |
| iPeter- | vm? | 02:14 |
| zash | virtual machine | 02:14 |
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| iPeter- | Was it virtual machine? I tought it was own OS on n900 :E | 02:14 |
| * woglinde wonders when google will use thumbee support | 02:15 | |
| woglinde | for android | 02:15 |
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| jophish | oh rats, bricked it | 02:15 |
| iPeter- | i would want to try something cool with my n900, to see the power, just dont know what. | 02:16 |
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| iPeter- | I like to mess with different os:es but.. :p | 02:16 |
| zash | iPeter-: i meant like running android apps on maemo on n900. | 02:16 |
| iPeter- | zash: No. Like own os flashed to N900 | 02:17 |
| iPeter- | with dual boot ofc. | 02:17 |
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| zash | iPeter-: i think i saw something about someone doing that ... | 02:17 |
| iPeter- | I saw too but im interested what it can do? Can you call with it or? | 02:18 |
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| Alicemirror | where i can find for docs about terminal use on N900? | 02:19 |
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| Vanadis | anybody tried running Tomb Raider through Dosbox on N900? | 02:19 |
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| javispedro | woglinde: they have only recently started using a JIT _at all_ for dalvik, so... | 02:21 |
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| MistaED1 | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2007/08/09/qt-invaded-by-aliens-the-end-of-all-flicker some xcb discussion in the comments, i wonder if hildon/gtk uses xcb directly or uses the xlib wrapper | 02:22 |
| pupnik | to see the power, hook up multimeter in-series to charger | 02:23 |
| * pupnik ducks | 02:23 | |
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| javispedro | MistaED1: Package: libgtk2.0-0 Depends: libx11-6 | 02:29 |
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| Damion2 | iPeter-: the android sdk has a vm for running dalvik | 02:38 |
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| crashanddie | probably the most revealing video about Apple: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZS8HqOGTbA | 02:39 |
| crashanddie | They're brainwashing!!! | 02:39 |
| Damion2 | porting it may be doable | 02:39 |
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| crashanddie | Damion2: could be, but I doubt it | 02:40 |
| pupnik | "I am not a complete idiot, but whether from weakness or laziness have no talent for thinking. I know only how to reflect: I am a mirror ." - Sviatoslav Richter | 02:40 |
| Damion2 | crashanddie: yeah? | 02:41 |
| crashanddie | ~test | 02:41 |
| infobot | Failed! | 02:41 |
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| crashanddie | infobot: wanna get a voice? | 02:42 |
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| crashanddie | ~8ball do you need a voice? | 02:42 |
| infobot | Negative. | 02:42 |
| crashanddie | ~8ball do you want one? | 02:42 |
| infobot | I'm sure of it. | 02:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: # Summary: 3 / 53 | 02:43 |
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| * sp3000 contemplates sleep, early morning and all | 02:43 | |
| timeless_mbp | and one of those 3 is the header which doesn't count! | 02:43 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, sleep. i want to meet the people @9:30 | 02:44 |
| zash | SUPELATIVE * >9k | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | msgstr "Get started with your Nokia N900" | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | # msgstr "Get started with the Nokia N900" | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | msgstr "…to get started with your Nokia N900" | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | so the 'your' thing sucks | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i think that the code is right | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | and my translation is wrong :) | 02:44 |
| * timeless_mbp awards credit to the code | 02:45 | |
| timeless_mbp | msgid "tuto_ti_web_page" | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | msgstr "Browser" | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | # msgstr "Web" | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | that leaves that one | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | which for 1 failure in a deck of 52 cards, i should just eat :) | 02:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | # Summary: 24 / 160 | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | calendar failures | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, calendar is complaining that i don't handle msgid_plural | 02:47 |
| * N900evil clones timeless_mbp. | 02:47 | |
| timeless_mbp | why me? | 02:47 |
| N900evil | to handle plurals of course. | 02:48 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 02:48 |
| zash | xargs -n 1 -p 9000 timeless_mbp --do-task < ~timeless_mbp/todo | 02:48 |
| zash | :P | 02:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure that'd make a sizable dent in my todo list :b | 02:49 |
| timeless_mbp | You are currently using 6735 MB (90%) of your 7418 MB. | 02:49 |
| timeless_mbp | Inbox (373578) | 02:49 |
| zash | ~$ du -sh Maildir/ | 02:49 |
| N900evil | is there an easy way to set desktop backgrounds from scripts? | 02:49 |
| zash | 60MMaildir/ | 02:49 |
| zash | mouhahaha | 02:50 |
| N900evil | I'd like to make a background with gnuplot every hour and supply it to the dedktop | 02:50 |
| zash | N900evil: cool, what data? | 02:51 |
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| N900evil | weather, weight, | 02:51 |
| N900evil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif for the latter. | 02:52 |
| N900evil | parsing yr.no pages for the former | 02:53 |
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| * N900evil sighs at busybox awk. | 02:56 | |
| N900evil | and find. | 02:56 |
| N900evil | and tar | 02:56 |
| N900evil | oh - dd | 02:56 |
| iPeter- | What should i try with dosbox, hmm. | 02:56 |
| N900evil | lemmings! | 02:57 |
| iPeter- | Suggest something cool and possible with dosbox | 02:57 |
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| javispedro | Microsoft QB 4.5 | 02:57 |
| N900evil | give dosbox as many viruses as you can. | 02:58 |
| iPeter- | Lol. | 02:58 |
| iPeter- | What os works best with the dosbox? | 02:58 |
| javispedro | the builtin one. | 02:58 |
| iPeter- | With GUI | 02:59 |
| pupnik | how many cycles do you run it at usually javispedro | 02:59 |
| javispedro | pupnik: I leave it at auto... | 02:59 |
| zash | didn't i see something about running win3.1 in dosbox ? | 02:59 |
| javispedro | pupnik: I do usually put a high frameskip though | 02:59 |
| pupnik | same. 3-4 | 02:59 |
| javispedro | as I 've said a few times, I don't play games with dosbox -- I use some stupid oldie apps (one of those is actually QB 4.5, don't ask) | 03:00 |
| N900evil | hmm. | 03:00 |
| N900evil | I have some Word 1 disks | 03:00 |
| pupnik | you could try the GEM desktop | 03:01 |
| pupnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_Environment_Manager | 03:01 |
| crashanddie | du -q C:\exchange Files: 8 Directories: 0 Size: 18,412,212,054 bytes | 03:01 |
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| crashanddie | yup, that's 18gig worth of email... in just over a year | 03:02 |
| javispedro | nice. is that local or the server? does MS still share the entire dir with r/w permissions via samba on the server by default (i've not used exchange since the microsoft mail days)? =) | 03:02 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: local | 03:02 |
| iPeter- | Hmm, any ideas where to get Windows 3.1 to run it with dosbox? I hope this aint warez talk lol. | 03:02 |
| crashanddie | iPeter-: do you have a Windows 3.1 License? | 03:03 |
| iPeter- | No? | 03:03 |
| crashanddie | Then it's warez | 03:03 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: it mostly is, since copying the files and running "INSTALL" is trivial, so all is left is the license issue. | 03:03 |
| iPeter- | Lol. | 03:03 |
| ScribbleJ | crashanddie, he could be perfectly willing to buy it, and asking where he cand o that. | 03:03 |
| iPeter- | :D | 03:03 |
| zash | iPeter-: call microsoft and ask D: | 03:03 |
| iPeter- | Good point ScribbleJ | 03:04 |
| javispedro | well ms stopped selling it a few years ago (not that many as you may think, tough) | 03:04 |
| N900evil | I don't think I could easily read more than a gig of email a year. | 03:04 |
| ScribbleJ | eBay! | 03:04 |
| iPeter- | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=889482fc-5f56-4a38-b838-de776fd4138c&displaylang=en | 03:04 |
| iPeter- | Is that it or not? | 03:04 |
| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: doesn't matter | 03:04 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: no. | 03:04 |
| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: either you have the right to run it, or you don't, end of discussion | 03:04 |
| iPeter- | Argh. | 03:04 |
| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: willingness has nothing to do with it | 03:05 |
| iPeter- | Hm, well i think i have to go sleep, nothing doesnt work now. | 03:05 |
| crashanddie | so everything works? | 03:05 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: a keyword for tomorrow when you start playing with the dosbox shell: rover.sys | 03:05 |
| ScribbleJ | crashanddie, I think you missed the distinction I was making. I was suggesting (probably incorrectly) that the question he was asking was, "where can I buy it?" | 03:05 |
| javispedro | I need to edit the welcome banner some day | 03:05 |
| crashanddie | ScribbleJ: yeah, I don't believe that | 03:06 |
| ScribbleJ | Well, me neither. But that's what I was shooting at. | 03:06 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: I just uploaded libsdl-haa1.2 to extras | 03:07 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: haa=hildon_animation_actor | 03:07 |
| pupnik | ohh? | 03:07 |
| pupnik | ty | 03:08 |
| javispedro | on pr1.0 drnoksnes runs at the same speed in both (composited) assembly 2x, haa 2x, and haa "fill screen" | 03:08 |
| javispedro | which means that truly you get the same overhead with HAA no matter the aspect ratio | 03:08 |
| javispedro | and you can also do free rotations and transparencies (I don't know what for, but I pot support for those nonetheless) | 03:09 |
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| javispedro | (I can't do pr1.1 tests unfortunately) | 03:09 |
| javispedro | (since I don't have it) | 03:09 |
| javispedro | (yet) | 03:09 |
| ScribbleJ | Why woudl you not update to pr1.1, javis? | 03:09 |
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| javispedro | ScribbleJ: cause I'd need to check which patches have been applied and which not to some components, and I am also waiting for osso-wlan-security pap support or free time to build my libicd-wpa library again | 03:10 |
| iPeter- | By the way, have anyone had problems with N900 (maemo 5) mail application, it says everysecond mail topic as "invalid" | 03:10 |
| javispedro | you know, it works, don't touch it =) | 03:11 |
| ScribbleJ | Right on | 03:11 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 03:12 | |
| timeless_mbp | ... it sure would be nice if my n900 would _charge_ while plugged into the usb charger.... | 03:12 |
| pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libs/ not finding yet | 03:12 |
| pupnik | and t-offline is screwing my update | 03:12 |
| ptl | what do you mean, timeless_mbp? | 03:13 |
| ptl | it charges, only slower, isn't it? | 03:13 |
| javispedro | pupnik: yeah, it seems that the autobuilder hasn't moved it to the repo yet, even though the build finished an hour ago | 03:13 |
| timeless_mbp | ptl: no, it doesn't charge :) | 03:14 |
| timeless_mbp | proto hardware isn't for sales, for a reason :) | 03:14 |
| * pupnik is amazed at the durability | 03:14 | |
| ptl | :O | 03:14 |
| javispedro | pupnik: right now http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/s/sdlhaa/ | 03:14 |
| iPeter- | i got an .iso image, where do i put it to get it open with dosbox | 03:15 |
| ptl | then why is it called a charger? | 03:15 |
| pupnik | thx again. i'll try to use it right away | 03:15 |
| pupnik | oh and i forgot to see how drnok outputs sound | 03:15 |
| javispedro | pupnik: grab the source http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/s/sdlhaa/sdlhaa_1.0.0.tar.gz and check the "tests" subdirectory | 03:16 |
| pupnik | kk | 03:16 |
| javispedro | for samples | 03:16 |
| iPeter- | ptl: Im sure there is some kind bug, it doesnt regonize it. | 03:16 |
| timeless_mbp | ptl: well, when it runs out of power, it'll start charging :) | 03:16 |
| timeless_mbp | (it just gave me Recharge Battery Now! | 03:16 |
| timeless_mbp | so now i can start using it... | 03:16 |
| javispedro | pupnik: I'm still using SDL audio | 03:16 |
| Pavel | Is the source code available for the N900's default calendar application? | 03:16 |
| timeless_mbp | Pavel: no | 03:16 |
| iPeter- | but how bout my dosbox question :o | 03:16 |
| Pavel | Darn... | 03:17 |
| timeless_mbp | Pavel: do yourself a favor and just find a team of people willing to write a better one | 03:17 |
| timeless_mbp | the default app is not a good starting point | 03:17 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/IMGMOUNT | 03:17 |
| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: what about gpe calendar? | 03:17 |
| timeless_mbp | what about it? | 03:17 |
| timeless_mbp | got screenshots? | 03:17 |
| iPeter- | Thanks. Google is yours frined, not mine :d | 03:18 |
| xorAxAx | well, why NIH if there is already a cal app | 03:18 |
| timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: screenshots? | 03:18 |
| xorAxAx | no, i dont have screenshots of arbitrary apps | 03:18 |
| timeless_mbp | well, i have screenshots of the calendar :) | 03:18 |
| javispedro | none of the avail calendars are good at all IMHO. Notice that some people actually tried to use the GarnetVM calendar. | 03:18 |
| xorAxAx | javispedro: datebk5 is the best calendar :) | 03:19 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: pictures of gpe would be nice | 03:19 |
| xorAxAx | unfortunately garnet vm is very unstable for me | 03:19 |
| timeless_mbp | so i could at least answer xorAxAx 's question | 03:19 |
| Pavel | timeless_mbp: Having not seen the source code, I don't know how good a starting point it is, but I am guessing the features I might be interested in hacking on would be very, very easy to add. | 03:19 |
| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: why dont you isntall it | 03:19 |
| timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: because i'm using my n900 as a vpn client | 03:20 |
| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: i dont understand | 03:20 |
| timeless_mbp | EBUSY | 03:20 |
| iPeter- | How to get an F1 button on dosbox | 03:20 |
| xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: does the client disable multitasking? | 03:20 |
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| xorAxAx | infobot: infobot? | 03:21 |
| infobot | rumour has it, infobot is The coolest | 03:21 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: either read about the dosbox mapper, or use rover.sys | 03:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: my fingers don't multitask well | 03:21 |
| timeless_mbp | my eyes slightly better | 03:21 |
| timeless_mbp | http://gpe.handhelds.org/screenshots/ | 03:22 |
| timeless_mbp | those date to 2004 | 03:22 |
| goatlover | hello, could anyone help me with blowfish and xchat or irssi? has anyone been able to get them working ? | 03:22 |
| javispedro | timeless: http://www.eth0.it/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/gpe_400.jpg http://blogs.tech-recipes.com/shamanstears/files/2008/02/n800_gpecal.png | 03:22 |
| timeless_mbp | surely someone has something that's <5 years old? | 03:22 |
| iPeter- | rover.sys? | 03:22 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: thanks | 03:22 |
| iPeter- | never used dosbox before | 03:22 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: rover.sys is a n900 specific thing. search talk.maemo.org for "more" detailed instructions. | 03:23 |
| zash | How's gpe calendar vs nokias? | 03:23 |
| timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: so, the date nav at the top of javispedro 's picture is obviously bad | 03:23 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: basically, it's a file you need to download from my site and then edit dosbox.conf to point to it. | 03:23 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia's approach for date nav, while on its own bad is much better | 03:24 |
| timeless_mbp | zash: roughly gpe calendar is a normal desktop calendar scaled down | 03:24 |
| timeless_mbp | that won't work | 03:24 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia's calendar is a calendar designed from a single view system | 03:24 |
| timeless_mbp | by people who can't design ui's | 03:24 |
| zash | timeless_mbp: what abut dates | 03:24 |
| timeless_mbp | which ends up being slightly better | 03:24 |
| timeless_mbp | but only slightly | 03:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and not because they're better, but because they had fewer places to make mistakes | 03:25 |
| javispedro | timeless: you love UI people indeed? =) | 03:25 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: oh, i live aSIMULAtor | 03:25 |
| timeless_mbp | s/live/love/ | 03:25 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: javispedro: oh, i love aSIMULAtor | 03:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | zash: did you look at http://blogs.tech-recipes.com/shamanstears/files/2008/02/n800_gpecal.png | 03:25 |
| iPeter- | hmm ok | 03:25 |
| timeless_mbp | please note that months should have 3 letters in them, not 2.15 | 03:25 |
| zash | timeless_mbp: :D | 03:25 |
| timeless_mbp | especially when there's plenty of space for 8 | 03:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the app title was also stupid | 03:26 |
| timeless_mbp | "gpe-calendar - Calendar - To..." | 03:26 |
| javispedro | oh, that improved a bit. | 03:26 |
| iPeter- | but i dont know where my dosbox (z drive) is mounted :E | 03:26 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, really helpful to waste the space on Calendar twice | 03:26 |
| zash | timeless_mbp: what about o-hand's dates? | 03:26 |
| timeless_mbp | zash: picture? | 03:26 |
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| javispedro | iPeter-: you can't write to drive z. you need to mount a C: drive somewhere. | 03:26 |
| pupnik | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/unlikely_ports] > ;) | 03:27 |
| zash | timeless_mbp: http://www.pimlico-project.org/dates.html | 03:27 |
| timeless_mbp | "better" | 03:27 |
| timeless_mbp | does it support American conventions? | 03:27 |
| timeless_mbp | (no week numbering, am/pm, no leading 0 for hours) | 03:27 |
| timeless_mbp | (week ranges where there's space and you want to number things) | 03:28 |
| zash | no clue | 03:28 |
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| iPeter- | javispedro: Okay, how do i get ~ that symbol | 03:28 |
| timeless_mbp | iPeter-: blue, sym, ~, space | 03:28 |
| iPeter- | to type mount c /windows | 03:28 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: you live in europe, get with the norm and stop using your stupid american conventions | 03:29 |
| crashanddie | they're archaic and stupid in most cases | 03:29 |
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| iPeter- | Well i got finnish kb layout on my N900 :/ | 03:29 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: first and foremost, iirc you can't use ~ in the dosbox shell since it won't be expanded to $HOME. | 03:29 |
| * crashanddie counters | 03:29 | |
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| timeless_mbp | iPeter-: the path is the same for everyone | 03:29 |
| timeless_mbp | try it | 03:29 |
| derf | I live in America and I don't use half the American conventions. | 03:29 |
| iPeter- | But on my layout there aint any ~ | 03:29 |
| timeless_mbp | how Unamerican! | 03:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | iPeter-: did you try the sequence? | 03:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you press one key, then the next | 03:30 |
| javispedro | timeless: it won't work, unfortunately. | 03:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't say "oh, i don't see all of them!" | 03:30 |
| derf | Just exercising my Freedom. | 03:30 |
| javispedro | timeless: because this is SDL/bare Xlib app. | 03:30 |
| iPeter- | I tried, when i press that blue arrow i get a ' | 03:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | javispedro: does clipboard work? :) | 03:30 |
| javispedro | timeless: between X11 and MS-DOS? =) | 03:30 |
| timeless_mbp | sure, why not? :) | 03:30 |
| timeless_mbp | iPeter-: sounds like you're going to want to quit, and edit the conf file | 03:31 |
| javispedro | actually, trying to link with hildon-input-method somehow is on my long-term ideas to try | 03:31 |
| javispedro | s/ideas/ideas list | 03:31 |
| pupnik | http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Dosbox.conf this is perhaps the better way. add the mount and keyb command to your dosbox.con autoexec portion, that way you only have to type the stuff once iPeter- | 03:31 |
| timeless_mbp | zash: so, is there a package for pimlico? | 03:31 |
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| javispedro | but for now you get to keep the rover.sys kludge, which won't care about your finnish layout and assume US layout. | 03:31 |
| iPeter- | timeless_mbp: Yeah maybe | 03:31 |
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| iPeter- | how do i edit it where etc | 03:32 |
| zash | timeless_mbp: http://maemo.o-hand.com/ exists | 03:32 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: it's on ~/.dosbox/dosbox-0.73.conf | 03:32 |
| zash | timeless_mbp: and i apparently have dates-hildon packages in ubuntu | 03:32 |
| timeless_mbp | zash: the repository only advertises chinook | 03:32 |
| timeless_mbp | oddly, it has diablo/ too | 03:33 |
| timeless_mbp | http://maemo.o-hand.com/packages/ | 03:33 |
| timeless_mbp | but no fremantle | 03:33 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 03:33 |
| infobot | ~pong | 03:33 |
| iPeter- | What texteditor xterminal does have | 03:34 |
| iPeter- | nano not found | 03:34 |
| pupnik | i need to get permission for more of the mods in my collection | 03:34 |
| zash | iPeter-: it better have vi or vim | 03:34 |
| javispedro | "vi" | 03:34 |
| javispedro | busybox vi. | 03:34 |
| javispedro | which is, well, interesting. | 03:34 |
| iPeter- | What i have to edit on this conf? | 03:35 |
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| javispedro | you have to put "FORMAT C:" and "FORMAT Z:" under [autoexec] section | 03:36 |
| pupnik | http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_artist_modules&query=69161 for any of you .mod / s3m folks - this guy is one of the greats 'Reed' | 03:36 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: put the mount commands there | 03:37 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: under [autoexec] | 03:37 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: also put keyb rover.sys us if you already know that rover.sys will be there | 03:37 |
| javispedro | C:\rover.sys most probably. | 03:37 |
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| Pavel | Question: how useful, compared to the current offerings, would you find an encrypted password storage application that would not require a password to create a new record, but would require a password to view or edit a record, but would never store the records in the clear? | 03:38 |
| wiretapped | Pavel: quite useful. it should also support notetaking | 03:39 |
| wiretapped | and use gpg flatfiles for storage | 03:39 |
| derf | Isn't this what I've been using in my browser for the past decade? | 03:39 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: That's basically the idea. | 03:39 |
| wiretapped | derf: what have you been using in your browser? | 03:39 |
| javispedro | you'be been using your browser??? | 03:39 |
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| Pavel | wiretapped: If the password is not given or has expired when the record is created, it is encrypted with the public key, so it can be written, but not read. | 03:40 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: To read it, one must enter a password to decrypt the private key. | 03:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd also like the option to instead take a pic of the password. | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | but that raises the complexity considerably. | 03:42 |
| iPeter- | Do i put "FORMAT C:" or FORMAT C: | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | It does mean it's much harder to typo though. | 03:42 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: put the mount command, without quotes. | 03:43 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: In addition, a key created or "approved" with the password, would be encrypted, then signed. This way, it should be possible to sync the records via an untrusted storage (e.g. an IMAP or file server outside of the user's direct control), and the worst an adversary could do is delete the records. | 03:44 |
| * Pavel has started implementing a program like that, in Python, which may not be the best language for the task, but he doesn't have the time to do it in C. | 03:45 | |
| iPeter- | Well i did put: FORMAT C: it says illegal command FORMAT | 03:45 |
| pupnik | nice.. | 03:46 |
| javispedro | let's say thank god I knew it would do that | 03:47 |
| iPeter- | Lol :D | 03:47 |
| iPeter- | I tought i could trust with this :D | 03:48 |
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| javispedro | iPeter-: replace it with the mount command | 03:48 |
| iPeter- | MOUNT C:? | 03:48 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: no, mount c: /home/user/windows | 03:48 |
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| iPeter- | ok | 03:48 |
| iPeter- | To autoexec | 03:48 |
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| javispedro | you wanted that path? | 03:48 |
| javispedro | yes, to autoexec. | 03:48 |
| woglinde | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/01/27/upcoming-qtcreator-support-for-qml-or-what-is-bauhaus/ | 03:49 |
| javispedro | infobot: are you ill? | 03:49 |
| javispedro | I have to agree with one comment -- QML is much like JavaFX. Whatever that means another nail in JavaFX's coffin or a new nail in Qt's coffin is yet to be seen. | 03:50 |
| javispedro | well, or at least _reads_ like JavaFX. | 03:50 |
| iPeter- | Directory /home/ser/windoes doesn't exit | 03:51 |
| wiretapped | Pavel: that sounds great! especially that it is in Python, imo :) | 03:51 |
| iPeter- | exsist | 03:51 |
| iPeter- | exist | 03:51 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: you have to create it, of course. | 03:52 |
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| Pavel | wiretapped: Actually, the "Python" part is not great at all. | 03:52 |
| iPeter- | argh | 03:52 |
| iPeter- | :E | 03:52 |
| javispedro | look | 03:52 |
| javispedro | create it under mydocs, /home/user/MyDocs/windows | 03:52 |
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| iPeter- | Ok done | 03:53 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: Without being able to lock pages, your password, while it's kept in memory, might get swapped to disk. | 03:53 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: Also, you can never guarantee that your process has ever well and truly "forgotten" the password. | 03:53 |
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| Pavel | wiretapped: A better solution might be a set of C subroutines that do password handling and only that. | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | cryptoswap helps some | 03:54 |
| Pavel | SpeedEvil: Does it just create a loopback device on an encrypted FS? | 03:55 |
| Pavel | SpeedEvil: On N900? | 03:55 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: How do i find mydocs from my PC, to insert that rover.sys there | 03:55 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: when you connect the N900 via USB, MyDocs is the root folder. | 03:56 |
| wiretapped | Pavel: yeah... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/695301 | 03:56 |
| Pavel | If I don't abandon this project due to lack of time, I will first get it working on my Debian box, then try to develop an N900 frontend and intelligent sync capabilities. | 03:56 |
| wiretapped | SpeedEvil: have you done crypto swap on N900? | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Pavel: you can't with the default kernel. | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | With j???a's kernel - AIUI it should be quite possible. | 03:56 |
| Pavel | SpeedEvil: Really? I am surprised. | 03:56 |
| iPeter- | On mass storage mode javispedro ? | 03:57 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: yes. | 03:57 |
| SpeedEvil | or building your own | 03:57 |
| Pavel | SpeedEvil: You can't use a loopback for swap? | 03:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | the cryptoloop module is not by default there | 03:57 |
| iPeter- | Odd i can not find my newly created windows folder | 03:57 |
| Pavel | Oh, on N900. | 03:57 |
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| ColdFyre | eek i rebooted my n900 and it shows on the botton in txt installing software update, please do not interrupt, and it seems to be hung at 0% | 03:59 |
| Pavel | The problem is that I am an amateur when it comes to cryptography, so while I try to leverage GnuPG as much as possible, I shouldn't really be doing this. | 03:59 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: I know, I saw that post. | 03:59 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: I cant find my newly created windows folder | 04:00 |
| iPeter- | When im seeking it with pc | 04:00 |
| ColdFyre | is this really bad? | 04:00 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: well, dunno what you did. | 04:00 |
| iPeter- | how do i remove folder | 04:01 |
| wiretapped | Pavel: how are you interfacing with gpg? | 04:01 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: Python->pyme->GPGME. | 04:02 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: It's a little tedious, but doing it all in C would have been even more so. | 04:02 |
| ColdFyre | is there a way to bypass this? it won't boot now | 04:02 |
| pupnik | iPeter-: you're not running dosbox with it connected to pc, are you? | 04:02 |
| wiretapped | i see pyme is no longer maintained :( | 04:02 |
| iPeter- | god damnit | 04:03 |
| iPeter- | :D | 04:03 |
| iPeter- | yup :D | 04:03 |
| iPeter- | i was | 04:03 |
| pupnik | heh | 04:03 |
| wiretapped | also I've found myself "browsing Gopher through a Web interface right now" | 04:03 |
| pupnik | will be unsynched then | 04:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ColdFyre: flash it? | 04:03 |
| ColdFyre | flashing will result in me losing everything | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | nope. | 04:04 |
| iPeter- | Ill reboot the device | 04:04 |
| iPeter- | :E | 04:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | It results in you losing apps, and not much more | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | if you just flash the no-mmc image | 04:04 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: On the other hand, if, by some miracle, I write the Linux version, and I (or someone else) write the N900 frontend (backend should be directly portable), it'll never run on Android (wrong language(s)), which is sad. | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | it does not overwrite /home/user or Mydocs | 04:04 |
| wiretapped | Pavel: but if you wrote it for android it wouldn't work anywhere else | 04:05 |
| wiretapped | so it is android that is sad | 04:05 |
| wiretapped | although, at least it would work on dozens of android devices... | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | write it for SNES - then anything with an emulator can use it. | 04:06 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: Depends. If you stuck to the right APIs, it should be source-compatible with Javas, right? | 04:06 |
| wiretapped | (wth kind of joke OS only runs on one vendor's hardware???) | 04:06 |
| Pavel | SpeedEvil: Brilliant! | 04:06 |
| ColdFyre | before i resort to flashing, hildon-package-manager had hung and i had to kill -9 during some install, there is no way to boot into single user mode or anything? | 04:06 |
| wiretapped | i don't know about that. | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | wiretapped: maemo? | 04:07 |
| SpeedEvil | but single platform OSs arn't uncommon. | 04:07 |
| wiretapped | Pavel: fwiw http://code.google.com/p/python-gnupg/ has been recently updated | 04:07 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: I think it's even worse: it's an OS that will run on only one _device_, assuming the next N[0-9]{3} uses Maemo 6. | 04:08 |
| wiretapped | SpeedEvil: yeah maemo was what I was referring to | 04:08 |
| wiretapped | yep, as a 770 and N800 user I know all too well | 04:08 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: And, assuming there is no upgrade for N900 --- if there is, then Maemo 5 simply becomes an obsolete OS. | 04:09 |
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| Pavel | wiretapped: As opposed to a joke OS, which is still needed, but unsupported. | 04:09 |
| Pavel | That, to me, is the main reason I am still considering exercising Amazon's return policy and sending the darned thing back... | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 04:11 |
| iPeter- | Keybard file rover.sys not found | 04:11 |
| iPeter- | hmm | 04:11 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: The thing is, I've already written all most all of the storage backend, so even if python-gnupg is easier to work with than python-pyme, there is no point. | 04:12 |
| zerojay | Pavel: How long do you expect an OS to be current and supported? | 04:12 |
| goatlover | nothing | 04:12 |
| Pavel | zerojay: Depending on the definition of "OS". | 04:12 |
| wiretapped | zerojay: how long do you expect a computer to be able to run the latest version of the OS it shipped with? | 04:12 |
| zerojay | Pavel: How long are you expecting them to support Maemo 5 on the N900 then? | 04:12 |
| wiretapped | the 770 was EOL'd after 14 months | 04:13 |
| zerojay | wiretapped: Big difference. You can upgrade the components of a computer. | 04:13 |
| zerojay | wiretapped: Uh-huh... and....? | 04:13 |
| wiretapped | nokia and its retailers describe the N900 as a computer | 04:13 |
| zerojay | Well, that's splitting hairs. | 04:13 |
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| wiretapped | you can also install current OSes on many-years-old computers | 04:13 |
| zash | zerojay: gl with upgrading laptops | 04:14 |
| zerojay | How long do you expect them to support the N900 with Maemo 5? | 04:14 |
| zerojay | Don't dance around the question. | 04:14 |
| zerojay | Answer it, straight up. | 04:14 |
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| wiretapped | zerojay: if nokia ships an update for the N900 12 months from now, I'd say we can count ourselves lucky | 04:14 |
| iPeter- | Wohoo got kb layout to work (: | 04:15 |
| Pavel | zerojay: Actually, I'd rather see them to offer Maemo 6 on the N900. | 04:15 |
| zerojay | wiretapped: And if they don't, it would still be supported longer than the average cell phone. | 04:15 |
| wiretapped | zerojay: it isn't the average cell phone. It comes with an X-Terminal preinstalled and is marketed to people who know what one is. | 04:15 |
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| zerojay | wiretapped: So it shouldn't matter how long they support it then, hmm? | 04:15 |
| zerojay | Since it's marketed to people who know what an X-Terminal is, they can help provide community updates, like what has happened in the past. | 04:16 |
| wiretapped | well, i bought it, knowing full well that nokia is all about planned obsolescence | 04:16 |
| zerojay | Except that since the N900 has most likely sold WAY more than previous tablets, there's going to be a lot more people looking for continued updates and supports. | 04:17 |
| pupnik | it's not like the OS breaks after 12 months | 04:17 |
| zerojay | support updates. | 04:17 |
| pupnik | it's NOT a BOX of EGGS | 04:17 |
| Proteous | heho | 04:17 |
| zerojay | So even if Nokia drops everything RIGHT NOW... there's no way your N900 would be suddenly rendered useless. | 04:17 |
| pupnik | bingo | 04:17 |
| zerojay | And you can bet there would already be a huge amount of support for a community based distro or community based updates. | 04:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it's probably got critical mass of some sort now. | 04:18 |
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| zerojay | Far more than the previous ones. | 04:18 |
| zerojay | Far more developers. | 04:18 |
| zerojay | Far more users. | 04:18 |
| zerojay | Far more mind share. | 04:18 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's not actually discontinued now - considerably more than critical mass | 04:18 |
| Proteous | far more egg boxes | 04:18 |
| zerojay | So I wouldn't worry too much. | 04:18 |
| zerojay | The N900 will be alive and kicking for a long time to come, even if Nokia's drop dead is tomorrow. | 04:19 |
| zerojay | And it's not. | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | There are issues. | 04:19 |
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| ds3 | the integration of the modem complicates things | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - skype and flash might be hard to push without nokia | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | and if there are hardware bugs - say the modem has a 2012 bug... | 04:19 |
| zerojay | Well, it's not like we haven't received some help with stuff long after EOL for a platform. | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 04:20 |
| wiretapped | say there is a widely-exploited vuln in flash... | 04:21 |
| wiretapped | we're up shit creek | 04:21 |
| zerojay | No. | 04:21 |
| ds3 | thou shalt not use flash. repeat ad inf. | 04:21 |
| wiretapped | where do we get a new armel flash binary compiled for our community-supported post-nokia OS? | 04:21 |
| zerojay | The only way we're up shit creek is if Adobe refuses to publish an update. | 04:21 |
| Pavel | wiretapped: Then we'll just have to hope that it doesn't work on ARM. ;) | 04:22 |
| zerojay | We'll do what we've done before, push Nokia to make it happen. | 04:22 |
| zerojay | They've shown in the past that they're more than willing to help in these cases. | 04:22 |
| zerojay | Doesn't always pan out, but they do their best to help out. | 04:22 |
| zerojay | Such as with the 3d drivers for the N810. | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | chrooted flash might help in some aspects | 04:23 |
| wiretapped | zerojay: they're less than willing to open a lot of stuff. | 04:23 |
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| zerojay | wiretapped: Uh.. where do you get that from? | 04:23 |
| wiretapped | the open wifi for 770 is still far inferior to the closed driver, right? | 04:23 |
| wiretapped | the power mgmnt stuff remains closed | 04:23 |
| zerojay | wiretapped: Ever worked in embedded devices before? | 04:23 |
| wiretapped | all sorts of essential little bits | 04:23 |
| zerojay | Nokia doesn't get that choice. | 04:24 |
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| zerojay | They really want to put out a fully open device in every way possible, but just as open source is new for Nokia, it's completely in its infancy for hardware providers. | 04:24 |
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| zerojay | There are times when the ball's just not in Nokia's court. Doesn't mean they don't want to open it. | 04:25 |
| ColdFyre | SpeedEvil: the RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin won't result in me losing *, or will? | 04:25 |
| zerojay | And before you say "find manufacturers that will"... there's not really any. | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | As I recall it there was a smaller image, and a larger one. | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ColdFyre: It was documented somewhere on the wiki | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 04:26 |
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| infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 04:26 |
| ColdFyre | yeah, i oculd not find it | 04:26 |
| wiretapped | HA HA HA ha *cries* | 04:26 |
| wiretapped | zerojay: you really believe that | 04:26 |
| wiretapped | "really want to put out a fully open device in every way possible," ??? | 04:26 |
| microlith | wiretapped: what does being closed get Nokia? | 04:26 |
| crashanddie | wiretapped: stop trolling | 04:26 |
| zerojay | wiretapped: Yes, I do. | 04:26 |
| pupnik | conspiracy! | 04:26 |
| javispedro | conspiracy! dealbreaker! | 04:27 |
| javispedro | us vs them! | 04:27 |
| SpeedEvil | microlith: lack of difficult negotiations with makers. | 04:27 |
| zerojay | wiretapped: Maybe when you get to talk to the people that make them and you see the passion they have for this... you'd see they want it just as much as we do. | 04:27 |
| wiretapped | look at http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture | 04:27 |
| wiretapped | zerojay: I know many developers at nokia do want this. | 04:27 |
| javispedro | that us vs them conspirationist feeling tends to disappear after you chit chat with "them" for a while. | 04:27 |
| wiretapped | But their managers definitely don't | 04:27 |
| zerojay | wiretapped: There's just times when it just can't happen. | 04:27 |
| pupnik | besides, every organization is made up of > 1 person, with > 1 opinion... | 04:27 |
| wiretapped | zerojay: I can believe there are licensing issues for the 770's wifi. | 04:28 |
| wiretapped | zerojay: I cannot believe nokia couldn't have released libaccounts | 04:28 |
| wiretapped | or rtcom-eventlogger | 04:28 |
| wiretapped | or liblocation | 04:28 |
| zerojay | wiretapped: After the N900 was a surprise hit, you can bet that more of those managers are sitting up and taking notice. | 04:28 |
| wiretapped | or libsharing | 04:28 |
| javispedro | or tablet-browser-ui | 04:28 |
| wiretapped | or calendar-backend | 04:28 |
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| pupnik | valid points there i'm sure | 04:28 |
| zerojay | Releasing stuff as open source isn't as simple as uploading a tarball, you know. | 04:28 |
| wiretapped | so far everything I've wanted to modify on N900 has been closed | 04:28 |
| crashanddie | wiretapped: stop using enter as punctuation | 04:28 |
| javispedro | liblocation "contains patented nokia über technology" though. | 04:29 |
| wiretapped | I have big SMS problems I could probably fix in the eventlogger | 04:29 |
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| zerojay | Some of those closed portions are simply closed as a matter of "we don't have the time". | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | wiretapped: liblocation is in many ways - as I understand it a wrapper to code running on the modem | 04:29 |
| zerojay | Everything Nokia releases into the wild has to go through tons of legal crap first. | 04:29 |
| zerojay | TONS. | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | wiretapped: that code is almost certainly IP of TI. | 04:29 |
| zerojay | That's the main reason why we don't have weekly public releases. | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | The heavy lifting goes on in the modem. | 04:30 |
| zerojay | That's part of the reason why not everything's open... but as they go further into Maemo 5's lifecycle, we'll probably see a few more components get opened. | 04:30 |
| zerojay | Just like on the 770 and N800 and N810. | 04:30 |
| zerojay | Won't be everything. | 04:31 |
| crashanddie | there's a good chance they would have to wrap all the native calls to private APIs, as they're not at liberty to release it | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Or flat out replaced. | 04:31 |
| jebba | zerojay: why a closed OGG package, for instance? | 04:31 |
| zerojay | But each step gets closer. | 04:31 |
| zerojay | jebba: Nokia's not convinced OGG is unencumbered. | 04:31 |
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| jebba | so having it closed does what? they still distribute it. What's the difference? | 04:31 |
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| crashanddie | Nokia can't just show sources where it calls makePhoneCall() from the modem API | 04:32 |
| wiretapped | zerojay: why did nokia ship ogg on the n900 then (in the maps program)? | 04:32 |
| crashanddie | is maps open? | 04:32 |
| wiretapped | no | 04:32 |
| zerojay | Nope. | 04:32 |
| jebba | crashanddie: what can't is show sources there? | 04:32 |
| wiretapped | nokia is not convinced ogg is not a threat to their MPEG royalties | 04:32 |
| zerojay | ?! | 04:32 |
| javispedro | it's true. | 04:32 |
| javispedro | I can hardly blame them for that. | 04:32 |
| jebba | well, then why are they shipping ogg? | 04:33 |
| zerojay | How does Nokia get royalties on MPEG? | 04:33 |
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| Scummer | ? | 04:33 |
| pupnik | superflous comment about lawyers is superfluous | 04:33 |
| javispedro | zerojay: Nokia is one of the creators of AAC. | 04:33 |
| crashanddie | jebba: because the way my company works, we get access to specific APIs from vendors, but we're not at liberty to tell everyone how that API works... If we give away source code that shows how we call a specific library, we're shooting ourselves in the foot | 04:33 |
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| wiretapped | submarine patents are a red herring... nokia is anti-ogg, except when it benefits them, which proves they're not afraid of it being patented | 04:33 |
| pupnik | crashanddie: ty. didn't realize that | 04:33 |
| zerojay | wiretapped: Except when they can license it, you mean. | 04:33 |
| jebba | crashanddie: ya, but that isn't the case here. It's not an API. | 04:33 |
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| crashanddie | jebba: they're still using specific subroutines of specific hardware | 04:34 |
| wiretapped | zerojay: who did they license it from? | 04:34 |
| crashanddie | jebba: it's not just *their* code | 04:34 |
| zerojay | wiretapped: I didn't write it, so I don't know. | 04:34 |
| javispedro | jebba: the case is as wiretapped commented. Nokia made AAC. I guess they consider "OGG as common user-visible audio format" a threat. | 04:34 |
| javispedro | also, that's going to change btw. | 04:34 |
| javispedro | Harmattan has OGG out of the box. | 04:34 |
| zerojay | So they can't see it as much of a threat then, hmm? | 04:34 |
| jebba | crashanddie: they took the ogg code from the public, they didnt start from scratch. Then they added their proprietary bits and closed it. | 04:35 |
| javispedro | s/ogg/vorbis/ | 04:35 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: Can you help me, got problem with mounting the image | 04:35 |
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| javispedro | iPeter-: what problem? | 04:35 |
| crashanddie | jebba: my company released some code, we had to wrap every single call to access a specific device (an HSM in this case) into a library that we wrote... And what it did was... libfoo::initHSM() { manafucaturerlib::initHSM(getParams()) } | 04:35 |
| iPeter- | I just cant do it right | 04:35 |
| jebba | crashanddie: i dont see how that is relevant to ogg. anyway. | 04:35 |
| crashanddie | jebba: do we have proof of that? | 04:36 |
| javispedro | zerojay: I guess that managers "listen" after a few years complaining after all :) | 04:36 |
| crashanddie | jebba: sorry, I didn't catch up to where you guys were | 04:36 |
| crashanddie | jebba: I was more replying to wiretapped's trolling about all the libs they didn't open | 04:36 |
| zerojay | javispedro: Some, sure. | 04:36 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: I got now mounted that c drive to that windows folder. that windows folder contains now a image of windows, name for it is windows_3.1.iso | 04:37 |
| iPeter- | how do i moun tit | 04:37 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: I unfortunately do not know the syntax of all dosbox shell commands by hearth. I suggest you look at the dosbox wiki. | 04:38 |
| javispedro | in fact I think I gave you a link to the imgmount command man page an hour ago... | 04:38 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: what a very nice way of saying RTFM | 04:38 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: Yes, but still cant get it to work :S | 04:38 |
| wiretapped | http://www.google.com/trends?q=sad <--- nokia's fault | 04:38 |
| pupnik | lol | 04:38 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: and what's the error message? | 04:39 |
| crashanddie | wiretapped: seriously, take it outside | 04:39 |
| iPeter- | it was something it cant find from host or local | 04:39 |
| iPeter- | wait | 04:39 |
| Scummer | learn something new everyday.. i didn't know you can mount .iso's in dosbox... | 04:40 |
| javispedro | well I think you can. I never tried actually. | 04:40 |
| pupnik | and be sure to thank the dosbox devs for rewriting the sound blaster emulation to be faster for us | 04:40 |
| javispedro | I am waiting for 0.74 since I have this feeling I messed up when backporting the ARM recompiler. | 04:41 |
| Scummer | but installing win3.1 in dosbox.. what's the use for that? why purposefully install a virus on your phone ? :) | 04:41 |
| pupnik | heh i think so too maybe | 04:41 |
| iPeter- | Z:\> imgmount d "C:\windows_3.1.iso" -t iso | 04:42 |
| iPeter- | The image must be on a host or local drive | 04:42 |
| pupnik | i think lardman is the only guy in community who got anywhere with DSP coding | 04:42 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: try moving to C: drive before, "C:" | 04:43 |
| javispedro | then rewrite that command as "imgmout d windows_3.1.iso -t iso" | 04:43 |
| iPeter- | hm | 04:43 |
| iPeter- | Same error on C:\> | 04:43 |
| sp3000 | sorry, "worldwide traffic of sad" just makes me giggle | 04:43 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: is the image there? | 04:44 |
| Scummer | peter: is the iso itself mountable from the linux prompt ? | 04:44 |
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| Scummer | mount -t iso9660 -o loop windows_3_1.iso /mnt/windoze | 04:45 |
| Scummer | so at least you know if the image is good | 04:45 |
| iPeter- | The image is on /home/user/MyDocs/windows/ | 04:46 |
| iPeter- | and C is mounted to that patch, right? | 04:46 |
| Scummer | dir c: ? | 04:46 |
| Scummer | is it there ? | 04:46 |
| Pavel | By the way, we keep talking about N900 critical mass --- does anyone know how much they've sold? | 04:46 |
| Pavel | I am not debating, just curious about a number. | 04:46 |
| iPeter- | WINDOW~1 ISO | 04:47 |
| iPeter- | So yes, it is there Scummer.. Mhph. | 04:47 |
| Scummer | try imgmount d window~1.iso -t iso then | 04:47 |
| javispedro | sigh. | 04:47 |
| Scummer | maybe it doesn't understand more than 8 char ? | 04:47 |
| Scummer | it's dos afterall | 04:47 |
| javispedro | it should. | 04:47 |
| Scummer | *shrug* | 04:47 |
| javispedro | ... though I'd give it a try too. | 04:48 |
| Scummer | i mean.. i don't know... i don't know whatelse could work | 04:48 |
| iPeter- | easier to rename that img to "lol" than find ~ char | 04:48 |
| Scummer | symbols ? | 04:48 |
| iPeter- | yr | 04:49 |
| iPeter- | ye | 04:49 |
| sp3000 | hmm | 04:49 |
| sp3000 | http://www.google.com/trends?q=cthulhu | 04:49 |
| sp3000 | 1. Helsinki, Finland | 04:50 |
| javispedro | ~cthulhu++ | 04:50 |
| sp3000 | I'm sure this makes sense | 04:50 |
| javispedro | sense is cthulhu's second name. | 04:50 |
| iPeter- | lul, i live on there :p | 04:50 |
| pupnik | if there's any interest in a demoparty, breakpoint 2010 will be the last one. Bingen, Germany, easter wknd 2010 http://breakpoint.untergrund.net/ | 04:50 |
| Scummer | sooo.. anyone tried to install OS X and wait the 2 hours for the boot up time? hehe | 04:51 |
| pupnik | i could even host ppl | 04:52 |
| Scummer | flights to germany have gotten expensive :/ | 04:53 |
| crashanddie | yeah, was a lot cheaper when everyone was sent there by train | 04:54 |
| crashanddie | *sigh* good times | 04:54 |
| ScribbleJ | Hey, that's not funny, my grandpa died in a concentration camp. | 04:55 |
| crashanddie | fell from one of the watchtowers? | 04:55 |
| ScribbleJ | He fell out of the guardtower, broke his neck. | 04:55 |
| ScribbleJ | DAMN YOU | 04:55 |
| wiretapped | crashanddie: crashanddie | 04:55 |
| Scummer | too old to rock'n roll | 04:55 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.google.com/trends?q=h1n1%2C%22iphone+3gs%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=1 - a clear correlation! | 04:55 |
| crashanddie | wiretapped: may I suggest you stop being a bitter idiot? | 04:56 |
| wiretapped | crashanddie: you may | 04:56 |
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| javispedro | http://www.google.com/trends?q=hitler%2Cnazis%2C%22iphone+3gs%22%2C%22crashanddie%22%2C%22wiretapped%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=1 | 04:56 |
| pupnik | beautiful demos from 2009.. check 'Elevated' by RGBA and TBC | 04:57 |
| javispedro | the nicest thing is that "1. Barcelona, Spain". | 04:57 |
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| sp3000 | http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22global+warming%22%2Cpirates&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=1 ...oh man, they were right all along! | 04:58 |
| iPeter- | Summer: you was right i renamed to lol and it worked | 04:58 |
| Scummer | doh | 04:58 |
| Proteous | scummer, summer, what's the difference | 04:59 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: I'm sure Barcelona came in first because of the Maemo long weekend over there :P | 04:59 |
| Scummer | i like summer... | 04:59 |
| Proteous | heh | 04:59 |
| Scummer | :) | 04:59 |
| javispedro | crashanddie: I though it had more to do with nazis, but yours makes much more sense =) | 04:59 |
| crashanddie | btw, google trends is pretty moot | 05:00 |
| iPeter- | Lol.. | 05:00 |
| javispedro | yes... | 05:00 |
| iPeter- | Now its mounted, then? | 05:00 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: How do i open that img to install windows | 05:00 |
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| Scummer | what the ? | 05:00 |
| Scummer | peter: imgmount d <-- D:\ | 05:00 |
| javispedro | Your free support contract has expired. Please renew your contract by sending $30 to ... | 05:01 |
| iPeter- | lol | 05:01 |
| crashanddie | iPeter-: this channel isn't here to support dosbox | 05:01 |
| iPeter- | Does it bother you if i ask help in here? | 05:01 |
| crashanddie | well, the first 5 minutes were cute | 05:01 |
| crashanddie | now it's annoying | 05:01 |
| javispedro | yes, and I will go to bed soon. | 05:02 |
| iPeter- | Well sorry. | 05:02 |
| iPeter- | how do i get < symbol :E | 05:02 |
| crashanddie | you know, it's like the kitten drowning in the pool... First you go "awww, he's trying to get out", 10 minutes later when it stops moving it's no longer fun... You've nearly stopped moving | 05:02 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: you can't | 05:02 |
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| iPeter- | Well one thing then, how do i open that installion? :S | 05:03 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: if you loaded rover.sys, then you've done all the specific maemo bits. from now It's identical to what you get in DOSBox on any platform. and I'm sure there are some dosbox guides floating around the internet. | 05:03 |
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| Scummer | floating around on maemo.org as well | 05:03 |
| javispedro | it will be much efficient to just follow them. | 05:04 |
| javispedro | s/much/more | 05:04 |
| crashanddie | s/much/more | 05:04 |
| crashanddie | s/more/more\// | 05:04 |
| crashanddie | tsss | 05:05 |
| javispedro | infobot is gone, so it doesn't matter. | 05:05 |
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| crashanddie | infobot: hello | 05:05 |
| infobot | Howdy Bub | 05:05 |
| javispedro | infobot: damn you | 05:05 |
| crashanddie | infobot: how are you? | 05:05 |
| * infobot damns you to the bowels of bloody hell forever. | 05:05 | |
| infobot | eh, ok, crashanddie | 05:05 |
| crashanddie | infobot: what's up? | 05:05 |
| infobot | Up is the direction away from the central point of gravity. | 05:05 |
| crashanddie | infobot: duh | 05:05 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, duh is an exclamation showing absence of common knowledge | 05:05 |
| crashanddie | i'm getting pwned by a bot | 05:05 |
| zerojay | infobot: DUHH. | 05:05 |
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| javispedro | crashanddie: still, sometimes I don't put the last / intentionally just because I think infobot actually applying the search&replace is just extra noise | 05:06 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: only when it's not understandable I guess | 05:06 |
| iPeter- | Yay | 05:07 |
| iPeter- | Setup is copying files :D | 05:07 |
| javispedro | see? verrrry efficient. | 05:07 |
| iPeter- | Yeah | 05:07 |
| crashanddie | ~javispedro++ | 05:07 |
| iPeter- | javispedro: Just asking, how do i get this dosbox to fullscreen? :o | 05:08 |
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| javispedro | iPeter-: hmpf. you can't unless you've remapped the fullscreen key iirc. | 05:08 |
| pupnik | there's a fullscreen key? :) | 05:09 |
| pupnik | alt+enter? | 05:09 |
| iPeter- | i didnt undrstand how to open that keymapper thing | 05:09 |
| javispedro | no, but you can potentially map ctrl+enter to it. | 05:09 |
| javispedro | pupnik^^ | 05:09 |
| crashanddie | btw, I've been getting "Unable to play media. Media format not supported" recently, anyone else seen that? | 05:09 |
| Scummer | hmm.. now we need a windows key next ? | 05:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | Scummer: shift-function-blue-WINDOWS (all pressed at once) | 05:11 |
| Scummer | :) | 05:12 |
| javispedro | +zoomin+zoomout+power+camerafocus+camera | 05:12 |
| iPeter- | Mouse support is kinda crap :D | 05:13 |
| pupnik | javispedro: i note dgen-1.23 runs fast but segfaults on most things | 05:13 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: the latter may explain the former | 05:13 |
| pupnik | playin a game right now | 05:14 |
| iPeter- | Well | 05:14 |
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| iPeter- | gotta to go slep | 05:14 |
| iPeter- | gn | 05:14 |
| crashanddie | seriously, isn't twitter exactly the same as IRC? | 05:15 |
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| javispedro | crashanddie: no, it's even worse. | 05:15 |
| crashanddie | well, just turn IRC upside down | 05:15 |
| javispedro | you can do gazillion-long messages on IRC | 05:15 |
| crashanddie | stupid nicknames, most messages are under 140 chars | 05:15 |
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| crashanddie | and everyone uses /amsg | 05:15 |
| pupnik | i should post a video just to upset people | 05:16 |
| crashanddie | TO SCREAM TO THE WORLD LIKE THEY THINK ANYONE CARES | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Oooh. | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | uuencoded twitter jpegs! | 05:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | mpegs | 05:16 |
| pupnik | hahahahaha | 05:16 |
| javispedro | 140 byte long uuencoded mpeg. | 05:16 |
| crashanddie | heh, twitter as a bittorrent tracker | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | With line numbers of course - as SMSs may be delivered out of order. | 05:16 |
| javispedro | that sounds like the title for another round of obfuscated perl contest. | 05:16 |
| pupnik | really it's at least 24 fps, more like 30 on pstar2 | 05:17 |
| pupnik | ah 28 fps | 05:17 |
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| pupnik | haha still at 1.23 | 05:21 |
| javispedro | gnite and good luck pupnik | 05:23 |
| pupnik | gnite :) | 05:23 |
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| pupnik | back to something real soon. but you just gotta try building things once in a while | 05:23 |
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| Pavel | Does anyone know of a mapping application in the pipeline which can do directions and lets you store locations (e.g. "how do I get to home from here?)? | 05:39 |
| konfoo | ahhhh qik you pile of crap | 05:40 |
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| konfoo | anyone out here doing development on video streaming apps, or porting anything? | 05:41 |
| ScribbleJ | Well, I gave a whirl to porting mjpeg_streamer | 05:42 |
| ScribbleJ | But it dies on an mmap() and I'm not sure why. | 05:42 |
| ScribbleJ | Someone already ported vlc | 05:42 |
| konfoo | i ported Motion back in the 770 days but nothing since then | 05:42 |
| konfoo | it so happens i have a CDN to play with now (day job) | 05:43 |
| ScribbleJ | Some guy was in here last night with a port of motion. | 05:43 |
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| jebba | konfoo: i built vlc (in my repo) and ffmpeg (in extras-devel), but haven't been streaming with them yet. | 05:44 |
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| jebba | i may have built icecast | 05:45 |
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| svanheulen | hello | 05:45 |
| konfoo | i guess the ideal thing to do would be to write a rtmp streamer | 05:46 |
| svanheulen | does anyone know if it's ok to use flasher to install the older firmware on a n900? | 05:46 |
| konfoo | that way any flash player can play the stream from a flash media server (ustream, etc) | 05:46 |
| konfoo | jebba: cool.. ffserver too? | 05:47 |
| konfoo | btw for anyone that cares i heard flash player 10.1 is coming | 05:48 |
| konfoo | will full support for peer to peer etc | 05:48 |
| konfoo | s/will/with | 05:49 |
| svanheulen | god i hate flash. i hope the people that created it die a horrible death. | 05:49 |
| konfoo | they actually seem to be doing some stuff right these days | 05:50 |
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| konfoo | my co is a flash partner so i get to wail on them relentlessly | 05:51 |
| svanheulen | o rly? like making the internet a bloated pile of shit? | 05:51 |
| konfoo | i think windows/ie has that pat down already | 05:52 |
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| svanheulen | not to mention all the vulnerabilities | 05:53 |
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| konfoo | all i care about is a/v streaming | 05:53 |
| konfoo | they are implementing rules in their new cores though to prevent people using a dozen flash apps on one screen | 05:54 |
| konfoo | (finally?!) | 05:54 |
| svanheulen | and that's the only thing it should ever be used for, but for some reason every moron with a website uses it for everything | 05:54 |
| konfoo | ya exactly | 05:54 |
| konfoo | for a/v streaming it has everything beat | 05:54 |
| konfoo | and 10.1 is the same featureset across mobile/settop/desktop with full h/w decode accel | 05:55 |
| villager | if I want to promote my package to extras-testing, do I also have to promote its dependency if it's not already there? | 05:55 |
| jebba | villager: y | 05:56 |
| villager | so doesn't happen automatically? | 05:56 |
| villager | allright, let's see | 05:57 |
| jebba | correct. Like i had to submit asterisk-config before asterisk | 05:57 |
| villager | even if the dep is not in user/*? | 05:57 |
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| svanheulen | oops | 05:57 |
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| villager | I think I'll just promote the user/* package first to see what happens | 05:58 |
| pupnik | i found roughly where dgen is dying | 05:59 |
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| villager | ah the wiki say that you need to promote user/* deps first, but doesn't say anything about non-user packages | 06:06 |
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| pupnik | i wish someone who knew arm ASM could look at this | 06:11 |
| villager | I am thinking about learning that one of these days, currently I only know mips asm, and of course x86 | 06:12 |
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| pupnik | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dgen/+bug/131281 there's the bug we have atm | 06:14 |
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| villager | that looks like amd64, not arm | 06:16 |
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| Kajko | guys, any good maemo soft for playing chess online on the n900? | 06:16 |
| pupnik | yeah but it dies at the same spot | 06:16 |
| pupnik | which chess programs have you tried that are not "good" Kajko | 06:17 |
| villager | pupnik: where's the source for this then? | 06:17 |
| Kajko | miniature | 06:17 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/dgen.html | 06:18 |
| pupnik | i suspected as much | 06:18 |
| villager | hmm, why did someone port gnokii to n900? | 06:18 |
| pupnik | maybe i just strip that sound stuff | 06:19 |
| pupnik | oh i am stupid.. | 06:19 |
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| pupnik | (gdb) bt | 06:21 |
| pupnik | #0 0x000744b0 in mz80exec () | 06:21 |
| pupnik | #1 0x0000c2e8 in md::one_frame_musa(bmap*, unsigned char*, sndinfo*) () | 06:21 |
| pupnik | #2 0x0000c6c8 in md::one_frame(bmap*, unsigned char*, sndinfo*) () | 06:21 |
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| pupnik | odd, i applied his patch for stdint.h | 06:23 |
| villager | you should compile with more debug info to get a better backtrace | 06:23 |
| Pavel | I want to add extras-testing, and report bugs, vote, etc., but before I do, I want to figure this out: how hard is it for a malicious developer to get a package (say, containing a rootkit along with code that actually works as advertised) into extras-testing? I am not talking about a subtle security flaw to be exploited at a latter date. I am talking about something that is pretty obvious to anyone who skims through the source code | 06:23 |
| Pavel | and knows the language. | 06:23 |
| pupnik | need to learn how to do that :D | 06:23 |
| Kajko | i see | 06:24 |
| villager | pupnik: add -g to the CFLAGS I guess | 06:24 |
| Pavel | I am OK with buggy software, but I am afraid of malicious software, in this situation. | 06:25 |
| villager | if it's not already added, of course | 06:25 |
| Pavel | And yes, I am spoiled by Debian. | 06:25 |
| pupnik | ah oki | 06:25 |
| villager | Pavel: seems fairly easy to do so | 06:26 |
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| Kajko | anybody here use xchat on n900? | 06:27 |
| Pavel | Kajko: I did, once or twice. | 06:27 |
| pupnik | hah omg 395996 Feb 2 05:06 zz80.c | 06:28 |
| Kajko | do you know how to change my own text from grey? hard to see | 06:28 |
| Pavel | Kajko: Not in the N900 version. | 06:28 |
| Kajko | ok...thanks | 06:28 |
| Pavel | Kajko: Although, I would suspect that it still obeys the configs in .xchat2 . | 06:29 |
| Pavel | Kajko: Even if you don't have a UI for changing the configuration. | 06:29 |
| Kajko | hmmm | 06:29 |
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| Kajko | i will give irssi a try....looking for a irc solution on the n900 | 06:30 |
| pwnguin | Kajko: screen + irssi? | 06:31 |
| Pavel | Of course, Debian has a very tedious process for uploading even "unstable" packages, so even their "unstable" is pretty darned stable... | 06:31 |
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| Kajko | pwnguin: yes | 06:32 |
| villager | Pavel: nah, not that tedious if you actually are a DD... and nothing stops you from uploading malicious software into unstable, though you may have a hard time getting it into stable | 06:33 |
| Kajko | mtnbkr: yes, me too | 06:33 |
| Pavel | villager: I miswrote. I meant a tedious process for gaining the privilege for uploading even "unstable" packages... | 06:33 |
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| pwnguin | Kajko: it'd be neat to see someone extend the telepathy-idle plugin | 06:34 |
| Kajko | pwnguin: yes | 06:34 |
| pwnguin | Kajko: so that it joins channels, but it would probably get annoying | 06:34 |
| villager | Pavel: hmm yeah, I hear the NM process is getting to be a challenge | 06:35 |
| Pavel | villager: It's called "security through bureaucracy". | 06:35 |
| villager | I became a DD long before all this newfangled Debian Maintainers stuff where you get limited privileges first before even having a chance in NM | 06:37 |
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| villager | yay, my syncevolution package has showed up in extras-testing | 06:40 |
| Pavel | villager: Does a package developer upload the packages source to the server, which then builds it, or does the developer build it, and then uploads the binary to the server? | 06:42 |
| villager | Pavel: in debian? | 06:42 |
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| Pavel | villager: In Maemo.org Garage. | 06:43 |
| villager | Pavel: the garage is separate from the maemo.org package repository I think | 06:44 |
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| Pavel | villager: Ah. Well, then maemo.org repository. | 06:45 |
| villager | Pavel: I upload the sources to the appropriate maemo autobuilder (the one for fremantle in this case), which then builds it | 06:45 |
| Pavel | villager: So all packages go through the autobuilder? | 06:45 |
| villager | Pavel: I believe so | 06:45 |
| villager | Pavel: unless you upload to non-free, then the dev-built packages get installed | 06:46 |
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| villager | actually I think non-free can go through the autobuilder too if the dev wants, but it's not required | 06:47 |
| Pavel | villager: So if I download a binary in free and the corresponding source, I can be fairly certain that the binary was, in fact, built from the source? | 06:48 |
| villager | Pavel: yeah | 06:49 |
| Pavel | villager: OK, so maybe I'll only add extras-testing/free, and skim the source code before installing. Someone has to... | 06:49 |
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| pupnik | i love it when my eyes start being unable to focus | 06:52 |
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| Pavel | Or, I am just being paranoid. | 06:58 |
| villager | just don't download those pamela anderson screensavers | 06:58 |
| villager | or something | 06:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Pamela is safe. She can't work a computer. It's the screensavers of girls that know about computers that are a security risk. | 07:00 |
| villager | angelina jolie? | 07:02 |
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| pupnik | oops extra 'if' somewhere in configure | 07:15 |
| pupnik | yaay lemonade stand yaay | 07:15 |
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| pupnik | config.log:configure:18406: error: Unsupported operating system: arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi | 07:16 |
| pupnik | configure:{ { $as_echo "$as_me:$LINENO: error: Unsupported operating system: $host" >&5 | 07:17 |
| pupnik | echo $host | 07:17 |
| pupnik | 07:17 | |
| pupnik | huh? | 07:17 |
| pupnik | where the heck is it getting $host? | 07:18 |
| SpeedEvil | well - grep host= | 07:19 |
| pupnik | The canonical configuration name of the host. This will normally be determined by running the `config.guess' shell script, although the user is permitted to override this by using an explicit `--host' option. | 07:19 |
| pupnik | aha | 07:20 |
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| pupnik | --host="i386" fooled it | 07:21 |
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| pupnik | ah nm, it needs nasm too | 07:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wasm.curtin.edu.au/index.cfm | 07:29 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 07:30 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 07:30 |
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| crashanddie | lmao... Dell "agents" are useless | 07:34 |
| crashanddie | me: Hi, Evelyn: Hi to help you better | 07:35 |
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| Proteous | wait till you get the automated "you replacement motherboard has been delayed" calls at 7:00am that wake you up | 07:40 |
| Proteous | "to not have us call you back every hour please do some complicated button pushing on the keypad while you are half awake | 07:40 |
| Proteous | the best part was that the motherboard had already arrived the day before... | 07:42 |
| crashanddie | yeah yeah | 07:43 |
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| crashanddie | The chick actually gave me a link to one of their laptops | 07:43 |
| crashanddie | I click on it... and it goes: "A Dell Expert is ready to talk to you, would you...." | 07:44 |
| Proteous | lol | 07:48 |
| crashanddie | she just shouted at me | 07:49 |
| crashanddie | lol | 07:49 |
| crashanddie | "HAVE A LOOK AT THE DETAILS" | 07:50 |
| RST38h | moooooo | 07:52 |
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| Proteous | heh | 07:57 |
| crashanddie | "Under Australian and US Consumer law, which are the laws under which Dell Inc. is operating, you are required to provide me with either Employee Indentification Number or full name and city, in case I wish to make a complaint" | 07:57 |
| crashanddie | "there was error while tying i did not realise that the caps were on my misrake" | 07:58 |
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| luke-jr | LOL | 08:07 |
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| crashanddie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=506296#post506296 | 08:18 |
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| pupnik | anyone looked at sdlmess? | 09:07 |
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| pupnik | As of version 0.136, MESS supports 439 unique systems with 1,161 total system variations and is growing all the time. Hahaha | 09:09 |
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| hrw | morning | 09:09 |
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| Kamui | pupnik | 09:12 |
| Kamui | hi | 09:12 |
| pupnik | .. Nokia says it will replace Symbian with its Maemo Linux by 2012. end of the world! | 09:12 |
| pupnik | morning | 09:12 |
| Kamui | wondering if youve tried porting ufo alien invasion yet | 09:12 |
| red | pupnik: Great news | 09:12 |
| Kamui | looks to be based off the quake 1 engine | 09:13 |
| Myrtti | link or it didn't happen | 09:13 |
| red | it's just rumors | 09:13 |
| red | http://thereallymobileproject.com/2009/11/nokia-dropping-symbian-from-n-series-by-2012/ | 09:13 |
| Myrtti | yyyeah. | 09:13 |
| Myrtti | that old news | 09:14 |
| pupnik | http://www.endoftheworld2012.net/ | 09:14 |
| Myrtti | they retracted it on next possible instant | 09:14 |
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| Kamui | pupnick any news/comments on ufo ai? | 09:15 |
| Kamui | pupnik even | 09:15 |
| pupnik | no but we have new PLANET SIZED UFOs around the sun! | 09:15 |
| Kamui | :) | 09:15 |
| pupnik | with youtube vids | 09:15 |
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| red | ey | 09:17 |
| red | google talk or skype - which works better on the N900? | 09:17 |
| Kamui | xmpp by far | 09:19 |
| red | wut | 09:19 |
| inz | google talk uses xmpp | 09:19 |
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| inz | Does gtalk interoperate with the win client? | 09:20 |
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| zash | inz: what do you mean by that? | 09:20 |
| inz | zash, that you can call windows users and vice versa | 09:20 |
| zash | xmpp (inc. gtalk), sip, skype .. | 09:22 |
| zash | inz: why not? | 09:22 |
| Corsac | there might be codecs problems | 09:22 |
| Corsac | I don't think it matters much for audio, but more for video | 09:22 |
| Corsac | though the various success report about videoconf on the n900 are with the browser gmail interface | 09:23 |
| zash | Corsac: calling to a browser? | 09:23 |
| zash | woot | 09:23 |
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| inz | zash, the gmail chat client supports calls | 09:24 |
| zash | inz: so does gajim, pidgin, my phone ... ;) | 09:25 |
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| Corsac | gajim doesnt support audio/video, does it? | 09:25 |
| zash | Corsac: it does | 09:25 |
| Corsac | oh? | 09:25 |
| zash | haven't tested video, but audio works | 09:25 |
| Corsac | since which version? | 09:25 |
| zash | Corsac: 0.13 i think | 09:26 |
| Corsac | I have 0.13.2 and never saw anything about audio >< | 09:26 |
| Corsac | (but I managed to have audio call working between n900 and empathy 2.28) | 09:26 |
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| Corsac | When will Gajim support Jingle/Audio/Video? | 09:27 |
| Corsac | Tomasz Melcer has been working on it during GSoC. A preview is available in a separate development branch. It hasn't been merged, yet. | 09:27 |
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| inz | zash, well, gmail is web app, unlike gajim, pidgin and your phone | 09:27 |
| inz | zash, and you asked "calling to a browser?" | 09:27 |
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| zash | inz: cool | 09:29 |
| * zash only uses their search thingy | 09:29 | |
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| zash | Corsac: I run from trunc, and have had jingle for a while | 09:32 |
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| pupnik | i say BAH. and BAH! | 09:34 |
| zash | BAH? | 09:34 |
| pupnik | everything sucks right now. i have decided. | 09:35 |
| Myrtti | bah. | 09:36 |
| zash | pupnik: old news | 09:36 |
| * pwnguin is tired of getting the same 1 msn spam over and over | 09:36 | |
| zash | Perfectionists - Everything Is Crap™ | 09:37 |
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| pupnik | dumb porter: emu.c:468: undefined reference to `mix_32_to_16l_stereo_lvl' | 09:38 |
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| pupnik | rm -R bah/ | 09:39 |
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| mece | rm -r bah | 09:39 |
| mece | ;) | 09:39 |
| pupnik | they make R work too for us angry types | 09:40 |
| Corsac | zash: yeah, that's why | 09:40 |
| mece | pupnik, :D good point | 09:40 |
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| jophish | has anyone been able to mount the jffs2 image under debian/arch/ubuntu | 09:47 |
| jophish | I always end up with: mount: /tmp/mtdblock0: can't read superblock | 09:47 |
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| jophish | or could someone do my a big favour and upload a tarball of /usr/share/icons | 09:50 |
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| dvoid | does anyone know if its possible to get a mouse cursor if you connect a bt mouse? | 09:53 |
| adeus | yes | 09:53 |
| pupnik | to what kind of computer? | 09:53 |
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| dvoid | the n900 of course | 09:55 |
| jophish | whoosh? | 09:56 |
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| pronto | oh wow | 10:07 |
| pronto | the micro usb port on my n900 just came out with the charger | 10:07 |
| pronto | fuck | 10:07 |
| dvoid | :S | 10:07 |
| dvoid | wtf | 10:07 |
| pronto | i have no idea | 10:07 |
| pronto | went to disconnect it | 10:07 |
| dvoid | scarry shit | 10:08 |
| pronto | like i always do, gently, and it just came out | 10:08 |
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| pronto | fuck | 10:08 |
| dvoid | seems like theres alot of problems with the external ports on the n900 | 10:08 |
| pronto | if i cant get this replaced or repaired, i'm screwed | 10:08 |
| dvoid | nokia has to replace that | 10:08 |
| dvoid | otherwise FUCK em | 10:08 |
| pronto | i emailed them | 10:08 |
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| pronto | heh, if they dont i'm fucking out $550 :| | 10:09 |
| pronto | damnit | 10:09 |
| dvoid | :S | 10:09 |
| cehteh | thats a known problem | 10:09 |
| dvoid | scarry | 10:09 |
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| dvoid | im out of here | 10:09 |
| cehteh | should covered by warranty | 10:09 |
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| pronto | i got it from newegg | 10:10 |
| pronto | i emailed both nokia and newegg | 10:10 |
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| cehteh | google about the problem you'll find a lot of reports | 10:10 |
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| pronto | wow | 10:14 |
| pronto | and appetnly nokia isnt doing shit | 10:14 |
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| cehteh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37107&page=13 good idea | 10:15 |
| pronto | yeah i saw that | 10:15 |
| pronto | to late now | 10:15 |
| cehteh | hehe i am still waiting for my (2nd) device | 10:15 |
| cehteh | prolly i do that then | 10:15 |
| pronto | i barely had enough spare money for the n900 -.- | 10:15 |
| cehteh | first one send back because broken charger cable (yeah on the charger side) and other issues | 10:15 |
| cehteh | now waiting since 3 1/2 weeks .. not deliverable in germany for less than 500Eur | 10:16 |
| pupnik | point 3 and 4 redundant | 10:18 |
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| pupnik | that sucks cehteh (the wait) | 10:19 |
| pupnik | maybe there is some revision going on | 10:19 |
| cehteh | point 3 and 4? | 10:19 |
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| pupnik | of the post by texrat | 10:19 |
| cehteh | yeah i rather wait in hope for better hardware revision than paying more to get it now | 10:19 |
| red | pronto: nokia replied that they warranty is void for that? | 10:20 |
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| cehteh | for what? | 10:22 |
| pupnik | there should be RMA procedures pronto, just follow them | 10:22 |
| cehteh | nokia is certainly well aware of the problem and likely dont want bad press | 10:23 |
| pupnik | fyi i tripped over my cable, sent n900 flying, and usb port stayed in | 10:24 |
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| pupnik | but now the charging contact is wobbly | 10:24 |
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| red | pupnik: my cats dropped the phone from nightstand while it was charging, woke up and it had been hanging from the wallcharger cord for some hours | 10:25 |
| red | im kinda thinking about trying to dull out the charger hooks now | 10:25 |
| pronto | do it | 10:25 |
| red | just dont have a grinder or sandpaper | 10:25 |
| red | so wondering what I could use :) | 10:25 |
| pronto | heh | 10:25 |
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| cehteh | better get some tools instead destroying it in a wrong attempt | 10:26 |
| pronto | well i need to get to bed | 10:27 |
| pronto | llater | 10:27 |
| * cehteh thinks about buying a pair of connectors and make a adapter for that rather modifying the original things | 10:27 | |
| cehteh | unfortunally the usb port is on the wrong side | 10:27 |
| cehteh | a charging stand where it stands upright wont work | 10:28 |
| Xisdibik | make a stand for it in landscape? | 10:29 |
| cehteh | the usb isnt on bottom then either you have to slip it sideways in | 10:30 |
| cehteh | but thats what i am thinking about | 10:30 |
| Xisdibik | or have it slip in from the top, and have a spot in the side open to plug the charger in after its in the stand | 10:30 |
| cehteh | some external charging contacts would be even better, but the connector isnt reachable without modifying the device | 10:31 |
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| cehteh | thats lame :P | 10:31 |
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| Xisdibik | teach your cat to not nock it off the stand? | 10:31 |
| Xisdibik | i just lay my N900 next to my pillow when i sleep | 10:31 |
| cehteh | i'd like to have a stand where i can put it on with one move | 10:31 |
| Xisdibik | and i dont even charge it overnight | 10:31 |
| Xisdibik | i charge it before i go upstairs to my room | 10:32 |
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| cehteh | well yes i turned celluar of and took it into the sleeping room too | 10:38 |
| cehteh | easy to check some mails, watch irc and so from bed :) | 10:38 |
| cehteh | and watching a movie with the av adapter on a monitor with my wife | 10:39 |
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| Mece_ | question regarding uploading stuff to extras-devel. assistanc says I should use dpkg-buildpackage or whatnot, but I was under the impression that py2deb did that work for you. Ist this correct? | 10:49 |
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| Jaffa | Mece_: Yes. If it's not well-formed the builder will reject it, and you can test it in extras-devel | 10:55 |
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| Jaffa | Mece_: py2deb is just a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage | 10:56 |
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| Mece_ | jaffa, ok, thanks. | 10:59 |
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| acidjazz | sup all | 11:04 |
| acidjazz | sup crashanddie | 11:04 |
| acidjazz | <3 cali http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause#Enforceability_in_the_State_of_California | 11:04 |
| murrayc | How can I delete a page from the wiki? | 11:05 |
| crashanddie | murrayc: you probably can't, if you can't find the link | 11:05 |
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| crashanddie | acidjazz: yo | 11:06 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz: that's only for noncompete clauses | 11:06 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz: there's half a dozen other clauses that can screw you | 11:06 |
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| acidjazz | crashanddie: i konw thats the exact thing i was sent | 11:08 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz: regarding what? | 11:09 |
| acidjazz | job im taking | 11:09 |
| acidjazz | he undersigned Employee hereby agrees not to directly or | 11:10 |
| acidjazz | indirectly compete with the business of the Company and its successors and assigns during the period of | 11:10 |
| acidjazz | employment and for a period of _____ years following termination of employment and notwithstanding | 11:10 |
| acidjazz | the cause or reason for termination. In addition, the Employee agrees to retain all propriety information | 11:10 |
| acidjazz | of the company (detailed below) as confidential. | 11:10 |
| acidjazz | crap | 11:10 |
| acidjazz | sorry | 11:10 |
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| acidjazz | 11:10 | |
| acidjazz | he undersigned Employee hereby agrees not to directly or | 11:10 |
| acidjazz | indirectly compete with the business of the Company and its successors and assigns during the period of | 11:10 |
| acidjazz | employment and for a period of _____ years following termination of employment and notwithstanding | 11:10 |
| acidjazz | the cause or reason for termination. In addition, the Employee agrees to retain all propriety information | 11:10 |
| acidjazz | not happening | 11:10 |
| acidjazz | anywas its exactly a non-compete clause | 11:10 |
| acidjazz | so it has to be void | 11:10 |
| acidjazz | so do i bring this up now and not sign it or sign it and bring it up in the future if it ever occurs :) | 11:10 |
| pupnik_ | please go take your clauses to pastebin | 11:11 |
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| crashanddie | acidjazz: is there a severability clause in your contract? | 11:14 |
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| crashanddie | acidjazz: also, how old are you? | 11:17 |
| pupnik_ | too young to google | 11:17 |
| inz | acidjazz reminds me of an old .mod | 11:18 |
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| jorma | whether the new employer indirectly or directly competes with the old one is a matter of opinion | 11:20 |
| ScribbleJ | Ha, me too, inz. | 11:20 |
| ScribbleJ | Also anything with 'orch'... and axel F. | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | jorma: technically speaking, it's a matter of law. Only people who never got their asses stapled because of non-compete clauses worry about it | 11:21 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie: 31 and what do you mean | 11:21 |
| ScribbleJ | Great, now I have Axel F stuck in my head. | 11:21 |
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| crashanddie | acidjazz: unless you're holding a senior management position, you're never going to get bothered by a non-compete clauses... It has to be worth something to the company to prevent you from working for a competitor | 11:22 |
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| ScribbleJ | They're only illegal in certain states, acidjazz, just for the record. You shoudl check with a lawyer. | 11:22 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie: im a senior developer ill be running a team at some point | 11:23 |
| acidjazz | ScribbleJ: i live in cali .. see my url earlier? | 11:23 |
| crashanddie | yeah, you're a dev, who cares | 11:23 |
| ScribbleJ | And while crashanddie is generally correct, if you leave the company on bad terms they might get you just to be dicks. | 11:23 |
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| acidjazz | well the line of work is something i want to be in wether or not its w/ them | 11:23 |
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| ScribbleJ | Please tell me it's porn. | 11:24 |
| jorma | at least here in finland there is a law against too broad non-compete clauses i think | 11:24 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz: it's actually surprising they have a non-compete clause if they're cali-based. Usually they leave it out, but basically it's a moot point | 11:25 |
| ScribbleJ | Yeah, from what I understand, they never stick in Cali. | 11:25 |
| ScribbleJ | But I'd still talk to your lawyer to be safe. | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz: best case scenario, the court will just strike it out from the contract, and the rest of the contract will remain enforceable | 11:25 |
| acidjazz | crashanddie: yea thats what is kind of bothering me | 11:26 |
| acidjazz | thats whatim hoping | 11:26 |
| acidjazz | ill call him tomorrow | 11:26 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, going to grab some food | 11:31 |
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| acidjazz | how do i installa pythong module | 11:53 |
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| acidjazz | there any kind of like package management? | 11:54 |
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| satmd | apt-get | 11:55 |
| ScribbleJ | If my kernel doesn't boot using flasher with -b to boot over usb... it's not gunna boot up if I flash it for real, is it? | 11:56 |
| ScribbleJ | I've had zero luck so far rolling a kernel even if I use the stock rx51 config. | 11:56 |
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| ali1234 | ScribbleJ: i would extract the original firmware from the fiasco images and try to boot that with -b | 12:00 |
| ali1234 | original kernel, i mean | 12:00 |
| ScribbleJ | Yeah... something like that was going to be my next step. :) | 12:01 |
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| wazd_n800 | hello all | 12:05 |
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| ScribbleJ | Well, "good" news - the results I get from the zImage in the Nokia flahser image are the same as the results I get from my own kernels. | 12:08 |
| ScribbleJ | Which is to say, it doesn't boot up... with framebuffer console on mine I can at least see the kernel is loading, but it gets to a certain point (not sure where!) and dies, shuts down. | 12:09 |
| ali1234 | maybe you need some kernel parameters to make it work | 12:12 |
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| ScribbleJ | Well, maybe... but I wouldn't knwo what. | 12:16 |
| ScribbleJ | I bit the bullet and tried flashing the Nokia kernel on there, though, and then it booted just fine. | 12:16 |
| ScribbleJ | So... now that I know that works I'll try flashing my kernel, since I can just flash back. | 12:16 |
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| pillar_ | if I want to have a wiki page for my app at maemo.org, what would be the correct place to create that? | 12:32 |
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| Jaffa | pillar_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Appname or http://wiki.maemo.org/Appname_tips (for example) | 12:47 |
| pillar_ | Jaffa: thanks | 12:48 |
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| acidjazz | whats the defualt login again for the n900 | 12:52 |
| acidjazz | user and what | 12:52 |
| acidjazz | sshd is acting funny | 12:53 |
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| asj_ | acidjazz: there isn't one | 12:54 |
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| acidjazz | well im getting prompted for one when i try to ssh to the phone | 12:54 |
| acidjazz | 'the password for user cannot be changed' from terminal | 12:54 |
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| Damion2 | that's probably cos /etc/passwd has a ! | 12:55 |
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| Damion2 | change user:!: to user:x: by means of cp vi cp back | 12:55 |
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| mgedmin | why cp? | 12:56 |
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| adeus | because it's a pleasant surprise when you find out that vi doesn't have undo :) | 12:56 |
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| mgedmin | heh | 12:57 |
| mgedmin | passwd -u? | 12:57 |
| acidjazz | what do you mean doesnt have undo? | 12:57 |
| visz | can't login with ssh as user? | 12:57 |
| Shadikka | hence vim | 12:57 |
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| mgedmin | because "Users with a locked password are not allowed to change their password." | 12:57 |
| acidjazz | vi has undo unless you write and quit the file | 12:57 |
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| mgedmin | acidjazz, busybox vi | 12:58 |
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| acidjazz | still getting prompted for a password | 12:58 |
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| Damion2 | yeah busybox vi seems quite okay when you start to use it, then you realise how limiting it is when you come across all the stuff they didn't bother implementing | 12:58 |
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| acidjazz | now set one eh | 12:59 |
| * mgedmin likes ssh keys | 12:59 | |
| acidjazz | yea i use that from n900 -> other boxes | 12:59 |
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| mgedmin | Damion2, actually, there's vipw which does the "cp; vi; check for syntax problems; cp" dance | 13:00 |
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| zash | mgedmin: like sudo -e/sudoedit ? | 13:00 |
| acidjazz | sweet im on my phone | 13:00 |
| mgedmin | not really | 13:00 |
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| acidjazz | just install vim | 13:02 |
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| acidjazz | isnt there a package | 13:02 |
| mgedmin | yep | 13:02 |
| acidjazz | i wonder if it has syntax higihlihgting etc | 13:02 |
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| mgedmin | yes | 13:03 |
| mgedmin | it has everything | 13:03 |
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| Lantizia | Hey since Firefox is now available... and I prefer it to MicroB... can I change the main menu icons to swap "Web" for "Firefox" ? | 13:04 |
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| acidjazz | oh its a nice vim package .. color schemes and all | 13:06 |
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| acidjazz | Lantizia: i think theres an app for that | 13:06 |
| acidjazz | Lantizia: wy do you like it more i havent tried it yte | 13:06 |
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| acidjazz | whats better bypthon or ipython | 13:07 |
| Damion2 | mgedmin: on the n900 ? | 13:07 |
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| Lantizia | acidjazz... I like how you can pull the bits of the interface from the sides | 13:07 |
| Lantizia | also it's got tabs | 13:07 |
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| mgedmin | Damion2, yes, vipw exists on the n900 | 13:08 |
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| acidjazz | Lantizia: i gotta see tihs | 13:08 |
| mgedmin | or did you want to hear "there's a vim with everything for the n900"? | 13:08 |
| Damion2 | oh, I didn't know they did that, especuially as there are wikis and stuf telling you to manually cp it around | 13:08 |
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| Lantizia | acidjazz: firefox.com/m I think | 13:09 |
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| acidjazz | oh not in package manager? | 13:09 |
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| thresh | somebody ban zer0mdq already | 13:09 |
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| acidjazz | what is mad-developer | 13:10 |
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| Lantizia | acidjazz: Well I got it from there and it added a repo and got it via apt | 13:12 |
| acidjazz | nooen on has ops? | 13:12 |
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| acidjazz | Lantizia: aewsome | 13:12 |
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| acidjazz | is firefox.com/m exclusively for hte n900? | 13:12 |
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| Lantizia | at the moment yeah... Firefox Mobile only exists on the N900 :) | 13:13 |
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| acidjazz | wow | 13:13 |
| Lantizia | Maemo will rule the mobile world :P | 13:13 |
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| acidjazz | you mean small computer world | 13:13 |
| acidjazz | since this thing is a freaking computer | 13:13 |
| acidjazz | that makes phone calls | 13:13 |
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| acidjazz | does it have zoom gestures and whatnot? | 13:14 |
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| Lantizia | yup | 13:14 |
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| ali1234 | that's a meaningless distinction, all phones are computers | 13:15 |
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| ali1234 | and mobiles doesn't just mean phones anyway | 13:15 |
| Lantizia | microwaves are computers too | 13:15 |
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| zaheerm | my washing machine is also a computer | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | exactly | 13:15 |
| Lantizia | but I would never call a microwave a computer | 13:15 |
| acidjazz | what about a remote control | 13:15 |
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| Lantizia | peripheral | 13:15 |
| acidjazz | lol | 13:15 |
| acidjazz | i/o | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | remote controls are ASIC | 13:15 |
| Lantizia | Can we ban this zer0mdq guy? he is getting annoying | 13:16 |
| zaheerm | and when the world egts messed up, even my wallet will be a computer reporting to the authorities how much cash i have in it | 13:16 |
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| ali1234 | microwaves probably are to tbh | 13:16 |
| acidjazz | noone has ops Lantizia | 13:16 |
| acidjazz | jjust chansrv | 13:16 |
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| Lantizia | can anyone remember the name of the app to change the main menu!? | 13:16 |
| Lantizia | google isn't doing my bidding | 13:16 |
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| mgedmin | heard it just recently... in MWKN | 13:17 |
| mgedmin | can't remember the name | 13:17 |
| acidjazz | oh this is too awesome | 13:17 |
| acidjazz | i love tihs Lantizia | 13:17 |
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| acidjazz | wave sync eh | 13:18 |
| acidjazz | i use xmarks right now | 13:18 |
| Lantizia | acidjazz: I want Songbird for N900 now :) and VLC too | 13:18 |
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| zaheerm | Lantizia, catorise | 13:18 |
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| acidjazz | whats songbird | 13:19 |
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| acidjazz | vlc medi aplayer? | 13:19 |
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| mrmg | acidjazz: mozilla itunes clone | 13:20 |
| mrmg | tis nie | 13:20 |
| mrmg | nice | 13:20 |
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| acidjazz | really | 13:21 |
| acidjazz | is it fast | 13:21 |
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| hrw | Lantizia: Catorise. MyMenu | 13:27 |
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| Nitial | catorise broke my desktop shortcuts at some point. is this fixed? | 13:28 |
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| Jaffa | Nitial: Bug 8111 and bug 8328 | 13:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 Catorise creates issues for dbus-activate apps (phone, messaging ui, etc ..) | 13:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8328 all isn't showing All applications (especially the former main screen apps) | 13:28 |
| Jaffa | Nitial: Short version, yes - it's fixed; and was only ever broken in extras-devel. | 13:29 |
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| Nitial | okay :) | 13:29 |
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| VDVsx | temp ban | 13:29 |
| VDVsx | :D | 13:29 |
| satmd | ;) | 13:30 |
| thresh | oh finally | 13:30 |
| thresh | thank you | 13:30 |
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| acidjazz | my phones bash prompt is better than your phones bash prompt | 13:32 |
| satmd | lol | 13:32 |
| Dassu | hmmm | 13:32 |
| zaheerm | acidjazz, t-shirt it | 13:32 |
| Dassu | wiki should have a guide for configuring bindings for irssi | 13:33 |
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| wazd_n800 | VDVsx, heya :) long time no see :P | 13:36 |
| VDVsx | wazd_n800, hey | 13:36 |
| acidjazz | PS1='\[\e[0;31m\][\[\e[1;31m\]\u\[\e[1;33m\]@\[\e[1;31m\]\h\[\e[1;33m\](\[\e[1;37m\]\w\[\e[1;33m\])\[\e[1;31m\]\[\e[0;31m\]]\[\e[1;37m\]: \[\e[0;37m\]' | 13:37 |
| acidjazz | throw that in your .profile | 13:37 |
| Dassu | hmm | 13:37 |
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| hrw | ok, stupid question I have now. | 13:42 |
| crashanddie | why do you talk like yoda? | 13:42 |
| hrw | which map software under maemo5 is most usable for map checking during walk? I need gps position and map (with poi database or at least possibility to add own) | 13:43 |
| hrw | maps cannot be fetched during use - should be option to fetch them before | 13:43 |
| hrw | crashanddie: because sometimes I do | 13:43 |
| acidjazz | lol crashanddie | 13:43 |
| acidjazz | just try them all | 13:44 |
| acidjazz | theres like 3 they all kinda suck | 13:44 |
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| acidjazz | Lantizia: the scrolling on tihs is odd | 13:44 |
| hrw | acidjazz: so nokiamaps, maemomapper and? | 13:44 |
| acidjazz | maep | 13:44 |
| acidjazz | map buddy | 13:45 |
| acidjazz | go in ur catalog search for map | 13:45 |
| crashanddie | damn, sara groen is hot | 13:45 |
| acidjazz | where can i get a list of firefox m features | 13:46 |
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| zaheerm | acidjazz, maep isn't bad | 13:49 |
| zaheerm | s/acidjazz/hrw/ | 13:49 |
| infobot | zaheerm meant: hrw, maep isn't bad | 13:49 |
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| acidjazz | im guessing ff m has no cursor / drag functionaltiy | 13:51 |
| hrw | after 2 minutes with maep I want to uninstall it | 13:53 |
| acidjazz | hahaha | 13:53 |
| red | mhmm | 13:54 |
| acidjazz | i told you | 13:54 |
| red | anyone used maemomapper? | 13:54 |
| acidjazz | i got em all | 13:54 |
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| acidjazz | waiting for one to be useful | 13:54 |
| red | can't find how to get it to "turn-by-turn" guide me from A to B | 13:54 |
| acidjazz | whats that wazd_n800 | 13:54 |
| hrw | red: I did. a lot on 770/n810 | 13:54 |
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| wazd_n800 | acidjazz, nethack variation | 13:54 |
| hrw | red: use route function | 13:54 |
| red | i can only find open/download/save and show distance to | 13:54 |
| red | at route menu | 13:55 |
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| red | opening asks me for a file | 13:55 |
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| acidjazz | wazd_n800: is it new? | 13:57 |
| wazd_n800 | can't install it :( | 13:57 |
| wazd_n800 | acidjazz, yw | 13:57 |
| wazd_n800 | yep | 13:57 |
| Damion2 | how do you zoom out in firefox? | 13:58 |
| Damion2 | if I double click it zooms in, then I double click again and it does nothing | 13:58 |
| acidjazz | any1 get the tab syncing workign in ff m | 13:58 |
| acidjazz | wazd_n800: hwo come | 13:58 |
| zash | Damion2: press and drag circles | 13:58 |
| acidjazz | Damion2: keep trying | 13:58 |
| zash | Damion2: or try the volume keys | 13:58 |
| acidjazz | zash he said ff | 13:58 |
| acidjazz | not microb | 13:58 |
| Damion2 | yeah microb works fine | 13:58 |
| zash | oh | 13:58 |
| zash | theniduno | 13:59 |
| Damion2 | the only advantage of ff so far is that I can press keys and it doesn't default to doing a url/search | 13:59 |
| zash | can you do ctrl+0 | 13:59 |
| Damion2 | so javascript stuff like the zxspectrum emulator can be used | 13:59 |
| acidjazz | yea im ont seein any of my bookmarks or anything in weavesync | 13:59 |
| Damion2 | zash: ta, I also just spotted somebody suggest crtl-fn and arrows on my forum enquiry | 13:59 |
| red | My friend is seeing my location using his N900 :) | 14:01 |
| red | wtf | 14:01 |
| red | I'm online on MSN but location is not on | 14:01 |
| red | but I did fiddle with Maemomapper and GPS just now | 14:01 |
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| red | wondering if it's Skype or MSN sharing the location | 14:01 |
| red | it appeared in my contact card lol | 14:01 |
| red | on his phone that is | 14:01 |
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| ruskie | red, iirc it's a setting in the location settings | 14:03 |
| acidjazz | got the tabs working | 14:03 |
| acidjazz | had to restart ff | 14:03 |
| achipa_ | is the Diablo autobuilder in KO ? | 14:03 |
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| TomaszD | wazd_n800, do you read the comments on the QA page for Marina? | 14:04 |
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| lopz | hi ;} | 14:06 |
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| VDVsx | grrr | 14:07 |
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| ifreq | ban host please | 14:09 |
| ifreq | *!*@190.190.221.92 | 14:09 |
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| Wolfie | hm, so nokia will come out with maemo 6 devices later this year. How nice | 14:13 |
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| Wolfie | anyone want an N900, while it has any value? :) | 14:13 |
| zaheerm | VDVsx, ? | 14:14 |
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| zaheerm | VDVsx, 1!*@* looks a little strange :) | 14:14 |
| thresh | Wolfie: url? | 14:14 |
| Wolfie | http://gizmodo.com/5462102/nokia-releasing-maemo-6-phones-later-this-year-symbian-4-next-year | 14:15 |
| acidjazz | oh wat | 14:15 |
| VDVsx | zaheerm, yeah, X-chat :p | 14:15 |
| acidjazz | loll Wolfie | 14:15 |
| zaheerm | Android-looking Symbian^4 :) | 14:16 |
| acidjazz | http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100202PD206.html | 14:16 |
| acidjazz | By 2011, smartphones based on the Symbian S60-platform will account for 55% of Nokia's total handset shipments, followed by Symbian S40 feature phones at 35% and Maemo-based devices at 10%, according to sources who are familiar with Nokia's product roadmap. | 14:16 |
| zaheerm | 10% is a lot for maemo devices | 14:17 |
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| acidjazz | pff | 14:17 |
| acidjazz | not enough | 14:17 |
| acidjazz | i want 100% maemo | 14:17 |
| zaheerm | acidjazz, i doubt nokia will ship 10 dollar phones running maemo to farmers in india | 14:18 |
| hrw | Wolfie: I can give you 5€ and you pay posting | 14:18 |
| thresh | Wolfie: cant see a nokia pressrelease on that | 14:18 |
| acidjazz | lol youtube enabler | 14:19 |
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| Wolfie | thresh: leaks usually aren't usually accompanied by press releases | 14:20 |
| Wolfie | -usually | 14:20 |
| acidjazz | dang youtube works relaly ewll in ff | 14:21 |
| thresh | Wolfie: leaks are usually bs | 14:22 |
| Wolfie | thresh: sometimes yes. But since nokia has promised one more maemo device this year, and the trend of "fixed in harmattan"-bug closes, i think this has some basis in reality | 14:23 |
| Wolfie | plus nokia having its reputation | 14:23 |
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| thresh | true. | 14:23 |
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| red | acidjazz: firefox in n900 uses <video> tags I guess? | 14:24 |
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| red | atleast Flash is disabled so thats the only way it could work | 14:24 |
| acidjazz | wow it syncs my tabs alot | 14:24 |
| acidjazz | go to ur plugins red | 14:25 |
| acidjazz | youtube enabler | 14:25 |
| red | enables flash at youtube? :D | 14:25 |
| acidjazz | lol yea | 14:25 |
| red | lol thats just wrong | 14:25 |
| red | guess they weren't too serious about the N900 port | 14:25 |
| acidjazz | funny | 14:26 |
| acidjazz | you can search the addons | 14:26 |
| pillar_ | acid does it load all the tabs when you open it? I have many many tabs open on my desktop and would like to have them with me, but not load them at the startup | 14:26 |
| acidjazz | but not look at all of them | 14:26 |
| zaheerm | or waiting for flash 10.1 which will use the dsp codecs | 14:26 |
| TomaszD | X-Fade, around? People are having problems with deps for my package decoders-support in Extras, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-extra is not available | 14:27 |
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| acidjazz | i wanna reboot | 14:29 |
| acidjazz | can i just | 14:29 |
| zaheerm | TomaszD, on pr1.0 or 1.1? | 14:29 |
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| TomaszD | zaheerm, not sure | 14:30 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, just asked them | 14:31 |
| zaheerm | TomaszD, i see it in the sdk repo :( | 14:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MyPaint, sweet. | 14:32 |
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| TomaszD | zaheerm, no, it's also in Nokia Applications (Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel) | 14:33 |
| * ShadowJK would be surprised if: flash 10.1 arrives for Maemp5 | 14:33 | |
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| ronny | hi | 14:33 |
| * ShadowJK would be surprised if: flash 10.1 on Maemo5 uses dsp codecs | 14:33 | |
| zaheerm | ShadowJK, it uses gstreamer so it will | 14:33 |
| zaheerm | ShadowJK, this was mentioned in the maemo summit in amsterdam | 14:33 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-extra/0.10.13-git209-0maemo16+0m5/ | 14:34 |
| zaheerm | TomaszD, that's an older version than what i have | 14:34 |
| ronny | can anyone quickly tell me the output of `pkg-config libffi --cflags-only-I` on maemo, im generalizing some configuration stuff in another project and need to check | 14:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, they announced it for Q1. | 14:35 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, dep is not versioned, so I don't know what the problem is | 14:35 |
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| zaheerm | TomaszD, ok i see it in my var/lib/apt/lists/ | 14:36 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, I think people who are having problems disabled the Nokia Apps repo | 14:37 |
| zaheerm | inside a downloads.maemo.nokia.com_fremantle_ssu_apps_._Packages file | 14:37 |
| zaheerm | why would people disable the nokia apps repo... | 14:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | TomaszD, you can disable it? | 14:37 |
| TomaszD | GeneralAntilles, of course | 14:37 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, not sure why, but most people don't have any problems at all, so I assume it's their fault | 14:38 |
| zaheerm | yah i guess ask them if they have disabled the repo | 14:38 |
| TomaszD | did | 14:38 |
| hrw | the more I try to use map software on n900 the more I want to get n810 from drawer | 14:39 |
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| hrw | maemomapper for maemo5 is much worse then maemo4 version | 14:40 |
| TomaszD | ...so get the n810 and quit complaining, or report issues? | 14:40 |
| ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles: I wont believe it until I see it :) | 14:41 |
| TomaszD | hrw, I would ask for my money back for maemomapper if I were you | 14:41 |
| hrw | TomaszD: sure... | 14:41 |
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| ShadowJK | I think I'll get a new battery for my N810 for my trip to germany this summer | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks like Newegg is pushing the N900 for Valentines. . . . | 14:44 |
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| ShadowJK | it's a conspiracy :) | 14:46 |
| acidjazz | vultures eye isnt showin up in my app catalog | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish Nokia would do some TV advertising. | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Web is great and all, but TV has impact. | 14:46 |
| acidjazz | nm | 14:47 |
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| * ShadowJK doesn't watch tv | 14:47 | |
| acidjazz | GeneralAntilles: i dont htink theyre ready | 14:47 |
| acidjazz | i dont have cable | 14:47 |
| Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: i'd say web is better for n900's target group than tv | 14:47 |
| Wolfie | I don't watch tv all that much. And when I do, i have a PVR and I can (and will) FF over all ads | 14:47 |
| Wolfie | that said, tv wouldn't hurt (other than the budget) | 14:48 |
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| * GeneralAntilles finds himself wanting to yell at Droid commercials if he doesn't skip the ads. | 14:48 | |
| ShadowJK | i did watch a restream of korean tv recently. It's funny the ads for philadelphia are the same all over the world today as 20 years ago | 14:48 |
| Wolfie | I guess targeted advertising on the web (tech blogs) and tech magazines have larger impact than even targeted tv ads. | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | The more money we can syphon off Symbian to benefit Maemo the better. | 14:49 |
| Wolfie | i guess mythbusters would be a great show to target n900 ads for, but that's about it | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | They've advertising on Xbox Live. | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's not a very different audience than TV. *g* | 14:49 |
| Wolfie | oh, and big bang theory :) | 14:49 |
| acidjazz | GeneralAntilles: really wehere | 14:52 |
| acidjazz | http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/games/offers/033f0001-0000-4000-8000-000058570888?partner=MajorNelson | 14:53 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, is it possible that gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-extra is not available in the Nokia Applications PR1.1 repo? | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | acidjazz, http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4151362608/ | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the pictures before and after. | 14:53 |
| ShadowJK | the last nokia ad I remember was for the phone neo used in matrix 1, and then it was hidden by a banana in the ad | 14:54 |
| zaheerm | TomaszD, it is in the ssu/apps repo | 14:54 |
| ShadowJK | huh, why do TVs have bluetooth | 14:55 |
| TomaszD | remote control, sending pictures? | 14:55 |
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| ronny | anyone? | 14:59 |
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| mgedmin | ronny, "Package libffi was not found in the pkg-config search path." | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | maemo 5.0update1 sdk | 15:00 |
| ronny | hmm, is it installed? | 15:01 |
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| mgedmin | after fakeroot apt-get install libffi-dev I get an empty list of options | 15:01 |
| * RST38h moos happily | 15:01 | |
| mgedmin | it's all in /usr/include, so no special -Is | 15:02 |
| ronny | is /usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabi/ supposed to be part of the default include path?, ir was it some time ago | 15:02 |
| mgedmin | no clue | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | /usr/include/arm-*: No such file or directory in my sdk | 15:03 |
| ronny | hmmk, im kinda thanks for the help, im kinda puzzled by the support code | 15:03 |
| ronny | hmm, and still have sleep-deprivation symptoms | 15:04 |
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| Damion2 | I wonder... http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/pipermail/yellowdog-general/2004-June/014468.html | 15:11 |
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| eichi | hello ;) any good results in syncing gpe-calendar and some linux application? dont wont to use google, i know, this works greate, but i dont wont to make my private things semi-puplic ;) | 15:20 |
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| Corsac | not sure about gpecalendar, but syncevolution 1.0 should be able to sync it | 15:25 |
| Corsac | that is, if you use evolution on the desktop | 15:25 |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h, moo :) | 15:26 |
| Kajko | how can I play chess online on the N900? | 15:26 |
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| eichi | i thout syncevolution is for contacts? | 15:26 |
| ifreq | Kajko: install chess which support online gaming. or play on online site which support online gaming (flash) | 15:26 |
| Kajko | ifreq: most online chess requires java | 15:27 |
| ifreq | try find some which req flash | 15:27 |
| ShadowJK | i seem to remember a thread on tmi about a chess client | 15:29 |
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| Kajko | really, what's tmi ? | 15:29 |
| wazd_n800 | tmo | 15:30 |
| wazd_n800 | talk.maemo.org | 15:30 |
| AndrewFBlack | We have problem with the way themes are getting optified now when auto builder builds them. It is symlinking entire folder to /opt and not just the files that makes it where you can choice the theme from theme picker. Only does it on certain themes but can´t find a reason yet any ideas? | 15:30 |
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| Kajko | oh ok. thanks | 15:31 |
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| lcuk | AndrewFBlack, mmm ? | 15:34 |
| lcuk | is there a bug#? | 15:34 |
| AndrewFBlack | not sure where to file it because not sure where the bug falls | 15:34 |
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| lcuk | ok so whats happening with it? | 15:35 |
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| lcuk | its not listedf in the theme picker, or once you selected its not working? | 15:35 |
| AndrewFBlack | when you build some themes and they are optified it links entire folder now instead of just files. Not in theme picker | 15:35 |
| AndrewFBlack | theme pickers requires a few files to be in the /usr/share/themes folder if the entire folder is linked then it doesn´t see the theme | 15:36 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps did have the idea that maybe the theme folder is getting to a certain size and that is why on some themes it links entire folder and others it just links files | 15:38 |
| hrw | re | 15:38 |
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| danielwilms | Stskeeps: ping | 15:41 |
| w00t | danielwilms: i don't think he's too good today | 15:43 |
| danielwilms | w00t: ui...didn't know that, thanks | 15:43 |
| lcuk | hey danielwilms \o | 15:44 |
| w00t | no problem | 15:44 |
| w00t | :) | 15:44 |
| danielwilms | hey lcuk | 15:44 |
| lcuk | how many metres of snow is it today? | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | i hear its lots | 15:44 |
| danielwilms | how's life? :) missing finnland?+ | 15:44 |
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| * w00t wonders what's wrong with his maths | 15:44 | |
| danielwilms | yeah...a loooot of snow | 15:44 |
| w00t | danielwilms: lucky | 15:45 |
| w00t | I miss the snow | 15:45 |
| lcuk | danielwilms, yeah :) will be back soon enough | 15:45 |
| danielwilms | sampo said we were 7cm away from the helsinki ever record :) | 15:45 |
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| danielwilms | lcuk...that's nice | 15:46 |
| lcuk | yeah, you are at 60cm already! | 15:46 |
| lcuk | and roads almost blocked, i almost had sympathy, you guys almost have it as bad as the uk now ;) | 15:46 |
| w00t | lcuk: bad? where? | 15:46 |
| w00t | I must be missing out on all the fun again | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | danielwilms, did Freenode ever bug you about the cloak? | 15:48 |
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| danielwilms | GeneralAntilles nope | 15:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | danielwilms, check memoserv? | 15:54 |
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| hrw | ~curse nOkia for glibc 2.5.1-1eglibc20+0m5 with Debian maintainers inside | 15:58 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nOkia for glibc 2.5.1-1eglibc20+0m5 with Debian maintainers inside ! | 15:58 |
| hrw | morons | 15:58 |
| TomaszD | they are morons, because? | 15:59 |
| derf | Everyone knows you bake the maintainers into a crunchy layer on the outside. | 16:00 |
| hrw | TomaszD: they take original Debian package, upgrade it to random version and keep original maintainer entry instead of removing it or set to someone@nokia | 16:00 |
| TomaszD | hrw, that is easily overlooked, and because of that you're calling them morons, not having the balls to say Nokia properly? | 16:01 |
| hrw | TomaszD: I ended using capital 'n' when saying nokia | 16:02 |
| hrw | some time ago | 16:02 |
| TomaszD | I'm sure everyone cares | 16:03 |
| hrw | TomaszD: I do not care if anyone care ok? | 16:03 |
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| TomaszD | hehe | 16:03 |
| tybollt | newkia | 16:03 |
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| hrw | tybollt: nokla looks better | 16:04 |
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| thresh | indeed | 16:04 |
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| pillar_ | hmm, are the user avatars/icons stored as files or something else? | 16:13 |
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| wazd | http://thpinfo.com/2010/maepad/screenshots.png | 16:14 |
| wazd | hehehe :P | 16:14 |
| tybollt | sfw?? | 16:15 |
| pekuja | wazd: what is that? | 16:15 |
| wazd | pekuja: new maemopad+ | 16:16 |
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| roshenia | hi! in contact manager, i have some contacts from skype and from icq, i have one phone book, right? but if i remove 1 contact from phonebook, my n900 delete user from contact list in skype and icq or only delete from n900 phonebook? | 16:18 |
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| w00t | roshenia: if you remove it, it'll be removed from the server as well, as the message tells you | 16:18 |
| roshenia | w00t, but if i wanna delete contact only from phonebook in my nokia? | 16:19 |
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| w00t | roshenia: sign off from ICQ, but then you won't have any other ICQ contacts | 16:19 |
| roshenia | hmmm | 16:20 |
| roshenia | okay | 16:20 |
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| mece | OMG moved my comic widget to the autobuilder! I'm pretty excited :) | 16:22 |
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| frals | i survived the dentist, im pretty damn happy ;) | 16:22 |
| mece | frals, have he/she been known to take lives before? | 16:23 |
| frals | its the dentist, you never know what kind of crazy stuff goes down there ;) | 16:23 |
| mece | good point. | 16:23 |
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| VDVsx | Announcement: maemo.org sprint meeting in ~5 min at #maemo-meeting :) | 16:25 |
| roshenia | tnx | 16:25 |
| thresh | mmh | 16:25 |
| thresh | somehow usb0 doesnt come up on 'ip li set usb0 up' on my machine | 16:26 |
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| thresh | though i've upped it on n900 | 16:26 |
| thresh | and tried different USB ports and different cables | 16:26 |
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| odin_ | is #maemo-meeting a community thing ? | 16:27 |
| mece | odin_, yes | 16:27 |
| thresh | mmh, RX == 0 in n900's ifconfig usb0 | 16:27 |
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| thresh | though TX keeps raising once i ping the needed IP | 16:27 |
| VDVsx | odin_, maemo.org is the community, we're not Nokia :p | 16:28 |
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| thresh | ifdown usb0 / ifup usb0 doesnt fix anything | 16:28 |
| wazd | VDVsx: you can't hide now :P | 16:28 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: everyone knows that you're an actual Nokia Devices CEO :D | 16:29 |
| VDVsx | wazd, shii, correction "Nokla CEO" | 16:29 |
| VDVsx | qwerty is the CTO | 16:30 |
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| VDVsx | :D | 16:30 |
| pillar_ | VDVsx: what's gonna be discussed in the sprint | 16:30 |
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| VDVsx | pillar_, sprint tasks: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/January_10 | 16:30 |
| wazd | VDVsx: or Nokio :D | 16:31 |
| Myrtti | Noklar | 16:31 |
| VDVsx | wazd, nah, Nokla rullz | 16:32 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: I'm the Nokio CEO, we're gonna crush you with brand new meamo phones! | 16:33 |
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| amigadave | wazd: they are going to be even heavier? :P | 16:33 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: that's because meamo 5 has "Games&Fun" section! | 16:33 |
| toggles_w | cd | 16:34 |
| VDVsx | wazd, damn you KIRF bastard, always copying Nokla :D | 16:34 |
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| wazd | KIRF^2 | 16:34 |
| wazd | :P | 16:34 |
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| acidjazz | supsup what what in the butt | 16:37 |
| acidjazz | 256 colors in vim w/ python ftw | 16:37 |
| visz | ! | 16:37 |
| visz | on N900? | 16:38 |
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| visz | oh, that's right, xterm should support 256 colors... | 16:38 |
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| Shapeshi1ter | isn't urxvt available yet? | 16:42 |
| visz | i'd like to see that too | 16:42 |
| visz | i'm used to | 16:42 |
| visz | i'm used to 'click' urls with keyboard on my desktop linux | 16:42 |
| visz | using urxvt | 16:43 |
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| Shapeshi1ter | urxvt is awesome :> | 16:44 |
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| Damion2 | okay wine can run pandemonium demo X forwarded to the n900 | 16:44 |
| Shapeshi1ter | I'll compile it for ARM once I get my phone | 16:44 |
| Damion2 | it's not that slow | 16:44 |
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| Damion2 | I need qemu-i386 for running native x86 binaries | 16:44 |
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| Damion2 | video upload to youtube soon | 16:58 |
| acidjazz | why dont we have xterm-256color in /usr/share/terminfo/x/ on this n900 | 16:58 |
| acidjazz | 256 seems to work fine | 16:58 |
| acidjazz | sigh | 16:58 |
| bobbob1016 | I just got an N810, but I can't figure out how to move apps, as in move one from Extras to Internet, and so on. | 16:59 |
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| acidjazz | n810 isnt that old | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | bobbob1016, control panel -> "panels" -> find the tiny "organize" button -> drag and drop | 17:00 |
| bobbob1016 | acidjazz, Was that a statement or question? | 17:00 |
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| acidjazz | bobbob1016: a question | 17:01 |
| alterego | Hrm, allmy widgets are showing up black. | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | acidjazz, lack of demand, I guess ... | 17:01 |
| acidjazz | who wouldnt want 256 color vim syntax file support mgedmin | 17:01 |
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| acidjazz | i just cant see life w/out it | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | people who never used it? ;) | 17:02 |
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| mgedmin | it shouldn't be too difficult to build a small custom ncurses-extra, or just rebuild ncurses-term | 17:02 |
| aquatix | any idea whether Tear is still being developed? having an updated webkit on my n810 would be awesome | 17:03 |
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| acidjazz | mgedmin: wanna do it? :) | 17:06 |
| acidjazz | how do i find wihch package a certain file is in | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | dpkg -S file | 17:07 |
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| acidjazz | ncurses-base: /usr/share/terminfo/x/xterm-color | 17:08 |
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| mgedmin | interesting | 17:09 |
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| mgedmin | afaict you get ncurses-term when you build the ncurses source package | 17:10 |
| mgedmin | yet http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/n/ncurses/ doesn't have it | 17:10 |
| mgedmin | but the .tar.gz therein has rules for building ncurses-term in debian/rules and debian/control | 17:10 |
| acidjazz | im not goin this far i know its generally a path to bricking my phone :) | 17:11 |
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| Damion2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOKTso0j72c | 17:14 |
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| hatseflats | anyone know of a way to flash n810 images on a native x86_64 host? flasher is only released in binary form afaict and only runs on 32 bit, or multilib enabled 64bit, hosts | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ | 17:19 |
| acidjazz | is tat you Damion2 | 17:20 |
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| Damion2 | acidjazz: the main voice is a colleague calling over to somebody elses desk | 17:26 |
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| acidjazz | so u made an n-gage emU? | 17:29 |
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| hatseflats | GeneralAntilles: so, no options? that's a shame | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | hatseflats, er, see the link? | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | aaaand ncurses fails to build | 17:31 |
| hrw | #maemo-devel died today? | 17:31 |
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| mgedmin | /home/mg/src/ncurses-term/ncurses-5.7+20081213/progs/tic.c:1500: undefined reference to `_tracef' | 17:31 |
| hatseflats | GeneralAntilles: 404 to me | 17:31 |
| Damion2 | acidjazz: no, read the YT comments | 17:31 |
| hatseflats | oh, nm, works now. | 17:31 |
| hatseflats | thanks GeneralAntilles. | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 17:32 |
| Damion2 | acidjazz: I plan to get qemu running in native userspace x86 linux execution mode | 17:32 |
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| acidjazz | cool | 17:33 |
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| hrw | ok, which toolchain is finally official? maemosdk (sbox) uses gcc 4.2.1, binutils 2.18.50.something, madde uses gcc 4.3.3, binutils 2.19.51.something | 17:33 |
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| hrw | both uses glibc 2.5.1+eglibc{19/20} which looks like random code drop | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, did you file a bug about the maintainer issue? | 17:34 |
| hrw | question basically is: can I use madde to build packages for maemo5? | 17:34 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: not yet | 17:34 |
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| hrw | bug #8788 | 17:40 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8788 Maemo5 packages have Debian maintainers listed but are not from Debian | 17:40 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: here you have | 17:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thanks | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although a bug-per-package is preferable (and better for karma! ;)). | 17:41 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: first let someone respond at all to this bug report | 17:41 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: I do not see a need to posting ~100 bugs just to get all of them ignored | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | That many, eh? | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, maybe CC danielwilms. | 17:42 |
| hrw | my sdk has 54 @debian listed and many Debian developers use own addresses in Maintainer field | 17:42 |
| hrw | danielwilms: your email in bugzilla is? | 17:43 |
| achipa_ | any news on the diablo autobuilder ? It's dead for two days now... | 17:43 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: the good thing is that @nokia is 84 times | 17:43 |
| Corsac | the other solutions would be to use debian packages so the Maintainer field is correct | 17:44 |
| Corsac | :P | 17:44 |
| hrw | Corsac: but maemo5 is not compatible with any release of Debian so you can not | 17:44 |
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| Corsac | hrw: binary-wise or source-wise? | 17:44 |
| hrw | Corsac: it is mix of lenny, squezze, etch and pre-etch | 17:44 |
| hrw | Corsac: both | 17:45 |
| Corsac | if the package it not modified (or just a little) it can make sense to not change the maintainer | 17:45 |
| hrw | Corsac: nope - maemo5 is not Debian so how Debian maintainer can help in case of failure reported to him? | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | Corsac, would the maintainer appreciate having to answer emails about the maemo packages? | 17:46 |
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| mgedmin | with "just a little" modification or two applied to them that the maintainer has no knowledge of? | 17:46 |
| danielwilms | hrw ? | 17:46 |
| Corsac | (I'm speaking with my debian hat, here) | 17:46 |
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| torindel | change front: how can someone maintain something he didnt compile/package and have zero knowledge about it | 17:47 |
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| Corsac | I'm fine with my name appearing in Maintainer: field of other distro (as long as people don't report bugs to submit@) | 17:47 |
| Corsac | because if the package is not too much modified, having a way to contact the original maintainer can be useful | 17:47 |
| hrw | danielwilms: bug #8788 | 17:47 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8788 Maemo5 packages have Debian maintainers listed but are not from Debian | 17:47 |
| achipa_ | and the other question... where do we report bugreports on stuff in Ovi ? Packaging errors all around, no response to mail sent to Maintainer: fields... | 17:48 |
| danielwilms | ahh :) ok daniel.wilms[at]nokia[dot]com | 17:48 |
| achipa_ | only if I "report" the app to Ovi... and say I find non-utf package data "offensive" or sorts :) | 17:48 |
| hrw | danielwilms: added you to cc: | 17:48 |
| danielwilms | hrw thanks | 17:49 |
| hrw | danielwilms: push someone @nokia to properly respond ;) | 17:49 |
| mtd | anyone know where/if the source code for clock-ui is accessible? | 17:49 |
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| danielwilms | hrw will do that | 17:50 |
| hrw | mtd: somewhere at internal.nokia.com | 17:50 |
| mtd | hrw: oh. perhaps I should list it at http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages ? It's not there. | 17:50 |
| danielwilms | hrw but your initial question was about madde? | 17:51 |
| hrw | danielwilms: they were not related | 17:51 |
| danielwilms | hrw you can build your packages with madde | 17:51 |
| hrw | danielwilms: but yes, I also asked about toolchain versions | 17:51 |
| hrw | danielwilms: but they will require libgcc1 4.3.3 when device has 4.2.1 | 17:52 |
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| Corsac | hrw: but packages are rebuilt by autobuilders, aren't they? | 17:53 |
| hrw | ops, no - it has 4.2.1 too | 17:53 |
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| hrw | Corsac: my packages can't be put into extras | 17:53 |
| hrw | Corsac: I have modest 3.2.x for example | 17:54 |
| hrw | Corsac: and extras do not accept replacements for contents of firmware drops | 17:54 |
| danielwilms | hrw I've used madde to build packages for my device...if something breaks, because of differences in the toolchain, please file a bug | 17:55 |
| hrw | danielwilms: the problem is that I want to create OpenEmbedded target to build maemo5 compatible packages. madde contains gcc 4.3.3 but sysroot used has 4.2.1, binutils also differ (2.19.51 <> 2.18.50) | 17:56 |
| hrw | danielwilms: and glibc is random code drop from somewhere | 17:57 |
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| danielwilms | hrw...I heard about this issue...would you add this question to this talk thread: | 17:59 |
| danielwilms | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38075 | 17:59 |
| hrw | thx | 17:59 |
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| danielwilms | hrw: there the madde developer are active...otherwise I will point them to it | 17:59 |
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| danielwilms | sorry, but I have to leave now...have a nice evening all! | 18:00 |
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| Corsac | hrw: oh ok | 18:06 |
| hatseflats | odd, I flashed my n810 with a image that was already on the device (I wanted a fresh start) using 0xFFFF, but now the thing just flashes on and off unless I put it in update mode | 18:06 |
| hatseflats | goes on for one second, showing the nokia logo, then immediately goes off with a fading image on the screen (like it's not properly being refreshed, lines and artefacts all over the place), and then half a second later or so it switches back on | 18:07 |
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| hatseflats | repeat ad infinitum | 18:07 |
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| odin_ | is Jeremiah not on IRC anymore ? povbot Jeremiah was last seen in #maemo 4 weeks, 1 day, .... | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . ribeye on sale at the grocery store. | 18:16 |
| * GeneralAntilles is excited. | 18:16 | |
| w00t | ribwhat | 18:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | w00t, none for you! | 18:16 |
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| w00t | by the sounds of it, i am not entirely sure i want any :P | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | You sure of that? http://content5.videojug.com/b5/b571a50a-7ce5-82e2-9de1-ff0008c90d2d/how-to-make-rib-eye-steak.jpg | 18:18 |
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| thresh | awww | 18:18 |
| w00t | ah :P | 18:19 |
| w00t | then yes, definitely | 18:19 |
| w00t | i'm not allowed anything tasty for the next few months | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sucks for you. | 18:19 |
| thresh | GeneralAntilles: you're not allowed to post tasty links on IRC! | 18:19 |
| tybollt | w00t: ? | 18:19 |
| w00t | yeah, tell me about it | 18:19 |
| w00t | tybollt: i have a few kg that i need to say goodbye to ;) | 18:19 |
| thresh | now i'm hungry | 18:19 |
| * GeneralAntilles is one of those evil people who can eat anything and never gain a pound. :P | 18:19 | |
| tybollt | w00t: oh... like me then... all those damned new years promises :-| | 18:19 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: technically, i haven't been gaining it anytime recently | 18:20 |
| w00t | it's just gradually come | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif - the gnuplot diet. | 18:20 |
| lupine_85 | int'rusting. the firefox install doesn't detect flash | 18:20 |
| w00t | is fennec actually worth using? | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: ... | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: It's not actually bad. | 18:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | w00t: but it IME crashes a lot more than it should | 18:21 |
| zaheerm | i prefer microb which is the best browser i've used on a mobile | 18:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | and uses more RAM. | 18:21 |
| w00t | zaheerm: so far, i'd agree | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | fennec is actually faster | 18:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MicroB is smoother. | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | when it is not constrained by RAM | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid XUL | 18:21 |
| * thresh wants webkit-based browser. | 18:21 | |
| zaheerm | fennec is decent and is probably better than most others on other platforms | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fennec has a newer Gecko. | 18:21 |
| w00t | (given that i've only used opera mini and mobile IE before microb, this is not much of a contest, mind) | 18:21 |
| zaheerm | w00t, opera mini is actually pretty decent | 18:22 |
| w00t | zaheerm: bleh. | 18:22 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: how is it faster? The gui ()last I try) is abyssmal... perhaps you mean rendering pages? | 18:22 |
| zaheerm | w00t, but it is nothing compared to browsers on the n900 | 18:22 |
| hrw | w00t: I would like to have browser which has reflow as good as opera mini has | 18:22 |
| zaheerm | w00t, and i know iphone users who salivate when seeing microb in action | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | #/usr/sbin/dsmetool -c 3 -T 180 -m -17 -t "/usr/sbin/browserd -d" | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | /usr/sbin/dsmetool -m -17 -o "/usr/sbin/browserd -d" | 18:22 |
| w00t | I'm personally still hoping for a decent webkit browser | 18:23 |
| w00t | midori looked like it was going to be great, apart from the fact it didn't work | 18:23 |
| SpeedEvil | in /etc/X11/Xsession.post30tablet-browser-daemon | 18:23 |
| hrw | w00t: midori or tear? | 18:23 |
| w00t | hrw: midori | 18:23 |
| SpeedEvil | and then reboot | 18:23 |
| SpeedEvil | and then you can kill microb | 18:23 |
| * GeneralAntilles will need to start posting to Maemo EATS! again tonight. | 18:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | This means that you have more RAM available | 18:23 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: if it's bacon, it's good | 18:23 |
| SpeedEvil | and fennec is actually faster | 18:23 |
| lcuk | bacon is faster than fennec | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, actually, a BLT sounds good for lunch. | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | that is - opening slashdot.com or ebay.com or some other pages - is faster on fennec than microb | 18:24 |
| * w00t had the oddest dream, involving bacon, last night | 18:24 | |
| w00t | i dreamt i was swimming in a vat of it | 18:24 |
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| kalikianatoli | w00t, can you be more precise on "didn't work"? | 18:24 |
| lcuk | w00t, crispy bacon? or a vat of fat? | 18:24 |
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| w00t | kalikianatoli: SIGSEGV on startup | 18:25 |
| Dassu | is there a easy way to move the on the Page with xournal? | 18:25 |
| w00t | kalikianatoli: I repeatedly tried to hunt someone down who had used midori to see whether I was alone, but alas, never turned anyone up, so I just gave up and went back to microb, if you have any advice on what I can do, I'm glad to try | 18:25 |
| Dassu | without changing the pointer functio | 18:25 |
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| kalikianatoli | w00t, you wouldn't have debug packages by any chance, to get a backtrace? :-) | 18:25 |
| w00t | lcuk: crispy bacon | 18:25 |
| kalikianatoli | It works perfectly on my device | 18:26 |
| w00t | kalikianatoli: mm, are they available? | 18:26 |
| lcuk | w00t, thats a bit difficult to swim in | 18:26 |
| * w00t did try looking for -dbg without success | 18:26 | |
| kalikianatoli | should be, it's in the control file | 18:26 |
| lcuk | but unbelievably delicious | 18:26 |
| w00t | hold on then, i'll have a look | 18:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk knows because he's tried. | 18:26 |
| lcuk | what did it sound like | 18:26 |
| w00t | lcuk: well, it was more like i was eating my way through a never ending vat of bacon | 18:26 |
| pupnik_ | i dreamt i was on this beautiful holiday resort island, stranded, and the daughter of the chief scientist of the colony had to decide which of us had to fly the ultralight away to get help. | 18:26 |
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| pupnik_ | just now .. | 18:26 |
| w00t | the swimming was more just arbitrary swinging of limbs to try propel more bacon into myself faster | 18:26 |
| w00t | I have -never- experienced a dream like this before | 18:27 |
| pupnik_ | bs | 18:27 |
| lcuk | now you see, last time i had a conversation about swimming in edible stuff | 18:27 |
| pupnik_ | lol | 18:27 |
| lcuk | i got shouted at because i said you could just filter the chunky bits with your teeth | 18:27 |
| w00t | lol | 18:27 |
| lcuk | but with bacon thats a bit tougher | 18:27 |
| hatseflats | what exactly is R&D mode? | 18:28 |
| w00t | hatseflats: do you know what R&D means? | 18:28 |
| lcuk | research & development | 18:28 |
| hatseflats | research & development obviously, but what does it mean for the device | 18:28 |
| w00t | ^ | 18:28 |
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| lcuk | deploys a white lab jacket around it | 18:28 |
| tybollt | hatseflats: measn you got to install rootsh | 18:28 |
| w00t | http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode | 18:28 |
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| tybollt | if you want root access | 18:28 |
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| w00t | tybollt: wait, you need R&D mode for that now? | 18:29 |
| kalikianatoli | you don't | 18:29 |
| pupnik_ | no, just install openssh | 18:29 |
| tybollt | w00t: no you don't, you just install rootsh | 18:29 |
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| tybollt | w00t: the point is - if you sudo gainroot w/o rootsh, it will tell you "You have to enable R&D mode if you want to brick your device" | 18:30 |
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| w00t | right | 18:31 |
| tybollt | I just tried that myself the other day, very amusing :) | 18:31 |
| pupnik_ | because that makes it recognize you as an ubuntu luser | 18:31 |
| hatseflats | basically it's a "don't bother me, I work here" mode | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and probably those guys really mean BRICK | 18:32 |
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| tybollt | yeah I could brick my device by means of root access | 18:33 |
| tybollt | but then | 18:33 |
| tybollt | meh | 18:33 |
| CShadowRun | Will an N900 from the US work in the UK? I see a few cheap ones on ebay :) | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope you cant | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 are same all over the world | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | CShadowRun, no, it has a built-in GPS and shuts down as soon as it detects it's been moved outside of US borders | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | of *course* it will work | 18:34 |
| CShadowRun | haha | 18:34 |
| pupnik_ | so will customs | 18:34 |
| * w00t upgrades marina theme | 18:34 | |
| w00t | wazd_n800: what's new? | 18:34 |
| CShadowRun | I was just wondering incase the cellular network was different in the US or something | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | true | 18:34 |
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| CShadowRun | or if the US models didn't ship with UK maps for the GPS | 18:34 |
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| CShadowRun | for example. | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | but in reverse: the n900 doesn't work very well *in* the US | 18:34 |
| CShadowRun | haha | 18:34 |
| javispedro | oh, great. | 18:35 |
| ml-mobile | CShadowRun: the US models have the same GSM support as the european models | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | people are complaining that it doesn't support the 3g frequencies of whichevercarrieritwas and is therefore limited to GPRS speeds | 18:35 |
| javispedro | my ddp n900's left speaker just broke. | 18:35 |
| CShadowRun | ml-mobile: ok ty :) | 18:35 |
| CShadowRun | so everything should just work on a US model? | 18:35 |
| bongoman | remember import duty and vat | 18:35 |
| CShadowRun | straight off ebay, it's still cheaper than buying from a UK seller | 18:36 |
| wazd | JEEZ | 18:36 |
| ml-mobile | It does not support AT&T's frequencies thus I am limited to 2.5G, but I cannot complain | 18:36 |
| wazd | I got a vision! | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | hatseflats, not exactly. | 18:36 |
| hatseflats | bleh, still not booting properly, anyone an idea what went wrong? 0xFFFF flash of n810 with most recent DIABLO, now just flashing on and off every other second if I leave it running | 18:36 |
| wazd | this is gonna be Epic! | 18:36 |
| kalikianatoli | CShadowRun, the hardware is *exactly* the same | 18:36 |
| w00t | kalikianatoli: #0 0x40828eec in soup_socket_listen () from /usr/lib/libsoup-2.26.so.1 | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | hatseflats, that's a portion of it, but there are other things which can affect battery life. | 18:36 |
| ml-mobile | does everything I need :) | 18:36 |
| CShadowRun | N900 from ebay buy it now is £339.54, cheapest UK is £389 xD | 18:36 |
| pupnik_ | share wazd | 18:36 |
| CShadowRun | kalikianatoli: kk ty :D | 18:36 |
| bongoman | + import duty and vat | 18:36 |
| CShadowRun | kalikianatoli: and the software? | 18:36 |
| wazd | pupnik_: I'll draw it in like 30-40 mins | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, it doesn't support AT&T 3G, it supports T-Mobile. | 18:37 |
| hatseflats | GeneralAntilles: I see, well, it's not something I have to fiddle with I suppose :) | 18:37 |
| tybollt | wazd: do spill! | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | hatseflats, exactly my point. ;) | 18:37 |
| kalikianatoli | w00t, hm.. are there non-libsoup lines further down? | 18:38 |
| kalikianatoli | ie to see if it's in soup, webkit or midori | 18:38 |
| w00t | kalikianatoli: entirely libsoup, but frames past that one look rather useless | 18:38 |
| kalikianatoli | CShadowRun, the preinstalled files are a bit different, ie videos or so | 18:39 |
| ml-mobile | mmmm, sitting next to an active construction site is awesome | 18:39 |
| kalikianatoli | w00t, does it make any difference whether you have wlan on or off? | 18:39 |
| CShadowRun | I see, I assume I can download the UK version of the software and Install it somehow anyway if it becomes a problem | 18:39 |
| w00t | shame valgrind doesn't have a working ARM backend | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | CShadowRun, you'll have to process warranty claims through the US. | 18:40 |
| ml-mobile | CShadowRun: yes | 18:40 |
| w00t | kalikianatoli: I guess I can try, moment | 18:40 |
| CShadowRun | all good then :) | 18:40 |
| kalikianatoli | thanks | 18:40 |
| ml-mobile | and that | 18:40 |
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| w00t | kalikianatoli: still in soup_socket_listen(), couldn't do a proper backtrace because I wasn't able to switch to console while midori was hung in gdb.. (I did it over ssh last time) | 18:41 |
| w00t | but i'd presume it was the same | 18:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | CShadowRun: you are counting import duty and VAT? If your package is picked up, then it will be charged import duty - VAT - a total of 24% - plus brokerage to cover the costs of extracting this money from you. | 18:48 |
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| zaheerm | no import duty on mobile phones | 18:48 |
| zaheerm | just VAT | 18:48 |
| SpeedEvil | zaheerm: oh. | 18:48 |
| zaheerm | and admin charges by courier | 18:48 |
| CShadowRun | SpeedEvil: It's straight off ebay buy it now, I've never seen hidden charges off ebay :P | 18:49 |
| kalikianatoli | w00t, one last idea: try "midori -a about:blank". that basically loads a minimal window with no settings | 18:49 |
| w00t | kalikianatoli: sec | 18:49 |
| zaheerm | CShadowRun, the courier will charge you either by invoicing you after delivery or not delivering to you without you paying | 18:49 |
| kalikianatoli | in case it's related to an extension or homepage or something like that | 18:49 |
| CShadowRun | zaheerm: oh, nice >.< | 18:49 |
| * tybollt remember ordering a Dell laptop from the US | 18:49 | |
| zaheerm | CShadowRun, this is assuming it is shipped from outside the EU | 18:49 |
| w00t | kalikianatoli: SIGSEGV | 18:49 |
| tybollt | god damn the customs were anal about the package | 18:50 |
| CShadowRun | zaheerm: yea, US -> UK | 18:50 |
| tybollt | held it for ransom - the fuckers | 18:50 |
| zaheerm | CShadowRun, better if you know someone coming from USA -> UK and you can tell him to put it in his suitcase, but then you'll have cheated the country out of VAT | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | CShadowRun: so you will pay - if it gets caught - 17.5% - plus 8-25 quid on brokerage fees. | 18:50 |
| CShadowRun | stuff that then :P | 18:51 |
| tybollt | it will likely get caught | 18:51 |
| CShadowRun | ty :) | 18:51 |
| tybollt | unless you lie blatantly on the description | 18:51 |
| tybollt | which is a crime :) | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | CShadowRun: and if the seller mislabels it as say 16 quid value - so it won't get caught - and the package gets lost - then the insurance will pay 16 quid | 18:51 |
| CShadowRun | haha I've had packages before come from ebay market as gift ;) | 18:51 |
| zaheerm | yah, if you put value: 4 GBP you maynot get caught | 18:51 |
| mtnbkr | does the "VA" in VAT stand for "Value added?" and if yes, What value exactly is being added? | 18:51 |
| zaheerm | gifts still require VAT | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | CShadowRun: which is in fact fraud - and the seller may not. | 18:51 |
| CShadowRun | yea | 18:52 |
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| CShadowRun | I'll stick with a UK seller then | 18:52 |
| tybollt | CShadowRun: good on ya | 18:52 |
| zaheerm | mtnbkr, everything that is a "luxury" gets VAT | 18:52 |
| CShadowRun | :) | 18:52 |
| SpeedEvil | mtnbkr: buy something for 100 quid - sell it for 150 - you pay tax on 50 quid. As the difference. | 18:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | mtnbkr: as a buisness | 18:52 |
| kalikianatoli | w00t, ok, so it's somewhere in soup or webkit probably. I will see if I find a way to hit that here. thanks for checking | 18:52 |
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| w00t | kalikianatoli: *nod*, let me know if there's anything else I can try :) | 18:52 |
| w00t | (or do) | 18:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | mtnbkr: or rather - as a VAT registered buisness | 18:53 |
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| thresh | ah, bloody customs. even if i order something my country does not produce, i'm supposed to pay about 30% of it its price to the govt | 18:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - some countries are lots worse than the uk. | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | .br IIRC has 50% duty on many things | 18:55 |
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| [Tycho] | thresh, in Russia ? | 18:56 |
| thresh | say, a bike frame of ~2500 USD will cost around 3300 here if passed through customs ;( | 18:56 |
| tybollt | well the notion of things getting cheaper if you buy them abroad... any govt will fight that... fight it furiously | 18:56 |
| thresh | [Tycho]: yeah | 18:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyone ordering through nokia.co.uk on around the 20th of Oct - using topcashback - had any cashback yet? | 19:02 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: not I | 19:03 |
| w00t | it's in confirmed though | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: submitted a ticket - as I noticed that it was >100 days - and a more careful reading of their terms said 100 day limit in some places. They say howeverr that it's tracking normally - there is just some delay on the nokia side for many people. | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | and there shouldn't be a problem | 19:04 |
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| pupnik_ | govt thus fights economic rationality | 19:04 |
| * SpeedEvil hugs vouchers. | 19:04 | |
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| SpeedEvil | If I was in charge of the UK government, I'd boost nuclear by some 20* - put _all_ fixed loads on nuclear-electric. | 19:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Though it may cost more in the short term - contending with a rising india and china for fuels in the next decades will be _hideously_ expensive. | 19:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Exporting cash for oil is just fail. | 19:05 |
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| wazd | can anybody read this? http://i059.radikal.ru/1002/89/d2962c465d04.png | 19:10 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: No | 19:11 |
| satmd | it looks symmetric to me | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I see an M and W | 19:11 |
| Jaffa | wazd: I could try and decode it, but I'd have to be told it was a word first | 19:11 |
| satmd | sure it is written? | 19:11 |
| wazd | Jaffa: it's a word you know very well :) | 19:11 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: I'm guessing the first is an 'a' and the last an 'o'; so it's Maemo | 19:12 |
| Jaffa | wazd: but it's far too abstract | 19:12 |
| Jaffa | wazd: And an 'M' can be construed if you're looking for it (as GeneralAntilles says) | 19:12 |
| thresh | if i were a prawn from District 9, i probably could | 19:12 |
| thresh | but looks gibberish | 19:12 |
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| pupnik_ | wow. that is impressive wazd | 19:13 |
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| pupnik_ | you should read hofstaedters work on algorithmic fonts and ai | 19:14 |
| pupnik_ | and yes it is too far away. but you must have read some font theory | 19:15 |
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| wazd | oh, I know :) | 19:16 |
| wazd | how to make it more readable | 19:16 |
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| odin_ | the point about branding is not to make is cryptic | 19:19 |
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| pupnik_ | yeah but that was very creative | 19:20 |
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| wazd | odin_: I'm not saying that this should be maemo logo right now :) | 19:20 |
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| wazd | I'm just looking for a design competition. Ambigrammed words looks good to me :) | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | found a way to reproduce the status bar + on screen keyboard 'bug' | 19:22 |
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| MohammadAG | http://i45.tinypic.com/v6kdax.jpg this one | 19:22 |
| mtnbkr | that's interesting. | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | open terminal, close the keyboard, press on it (terminal) then click the dashboard button quickly | 19:24 |
| odin_ | sure I agree with pupnik_ that its very creative (and might be the basis to inspire), so my comment was just to emphasis/describe what (IMHO) I think it maybe lacking so maybe provide construct input for the next iteration | 19:24 |
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| MohammadAG | oh got the operator name on there now | 19:25 |
| mtnbkr | MohammadAG: hmmm that does not do it for me... the vkb appears and disappears quickly. | 19:25 |
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| lcuk | wazd, use comic sans! | 19:25 |
| satmd | webdings | 19:25 |
| lcuk | he already tried that | 19:25 |
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| MohammadAG | mtnbkr, it gets reproduced every time i do that here | 19:25 |
| satmd | no, sure, looks nice, but the first approach took too long to recognize | 19:26 |
| satmd | (which is why I played stupid) | 19:26 |
| mtnbkr | MohammadAG: hmmm I have tried it about 10 in a row... no luck | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | do it faster? | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | you can run anything that invloves dpkg to make it lag | 19:26 |
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| MohammadAG | but what I have running in the background makes it 'lag' enough | 19:27 |
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| MohammadAG | mtnbkr, did it work | 19:28 |
| mtnbkr | MohammadAG: running app manager update in background... still can not reproduce no matter how many times or how fast I do it. | 19:28 |
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| kevloral | hi all | 19:30 |
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| mrmg | hi | 19:31 |
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| javispedro | hm.. what could be causing the left speaker to stop working suddenly? | 19:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | the spring contact to the PCB being dodgy? | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I would try rapping | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | the phone on a surface gently to see if it fixes | 19:34 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/Hw_1265131946672617590-0.png | 19:34 |
| lcuk | wazd, ^^ | 19:34 |
| lcuk | unfortunately there was no hieroglyph for open source | 19:35 |
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| MohammadAG | i hate how there's a light leak under my m and b keys | 19:38 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: I'm actually impressed since it's been suddently and after a reboot, which would indicate software, but I've reflashed it to no avail. | 19:38 |
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| javispedro | do alsamixer settings survive a reflash? | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG | oh and it's starting under the left arrow, thinking about refitting the plastic | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 19:38 |
| javispedro | if this were a cheaper handheld I would've pinpointed it to the headphones connector, but I think the "switch" on the n900 is sw. | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG | headphone 'switch'? | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | it's sw | 19:40 |
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| MohammadAG | it played a song through the speakers with the headphones connected once | 19:41 |
| javispedro | yes (in fact after connecting them sound comes from both outputs for a moment) -- no way it could cut one channel. | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: does wiggling do anything? | 19:41 |
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| javispedro | nope | 19:42 |
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| wazd | bwahaha, http://i080.radikal.ru/1002/76/ebea96ac28d7.png | 19:43 |
| wazd | not sure if it's more readeable :P | 19:43 |
| pekuja | that's supposed to be a word? | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd: now you're just taking the piss. | 19:44 |
| wazd | pekuja: sure :) | 19:45 |
| TomaszD | wazd, do you need any assistance with debian/control for marina? | 19:46 |
| * lcuk ponders whether lardman was eaten by a grue | 19:46 | |
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| javispedro | well I'm going to take it to a nokia care point and see what Phoenix has to say | 19:47 |
| Corsac | lcuk: he's on the maemo frontpage! | 19:47 |
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| wazd | TomaszD: no thanks | 19:48 |
| lcuk | Corsac, tell him seomething he doesnt know | 19:48 |
| TomaszD | wazd, ok | 19:48 |
| lcuk | is marina done manually nowadays or does the theme generator produce valid packagable files? | 19:49 |
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| * lcuk always thinks of zoolander Magnum when thinking of marina :D | 19:49 | |
| MohammadAG | wazd, again, that's a word? | 19:49 |
| TomaszD | I was wondering that myself, because everything is missing from debian/control | 19:49 |
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| lcuk | TomaszD, i was under the impression it was automatically generated | 19:50 |
| lcuk | and madde itself just built it into right pieces | 19:50 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: yes | 19:50 |
| TomaszD | lcuk, I don't think so | 19:50 |
| lcuk | TomaszD, thats gotta be hard then | 19:50 |
| wazd | lcuk: I'm making Marina with Madde | 19:50 |
| lcuk | principle function of theme generator is surely to generate a valid installable theme? | 19:50 |
| lcuk | yeah wazd, but what made the debian folder for it | 19:51 |
| TomaszD | wazd, so you are able to manually add maemo-specific fields to debian/control then right? | 19:51 |
| wazd | yes | 19:51 |
| TomaszD | you won't leave the package in such an ugly state I hope :) | 19:51 |
| TomaszD | ok | 19:51 |
| TomaszD | keep up the good work | 19:51 |
| Damion2 | gah the disk images for the sdk need converting to work on vmware | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG | wmware players 'plays' them w/o converting | 19:52 |
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| lcuk | TomaszD, which bits do you consider misplaced, i know ive also got a pretty generic package configuration | 19:52 |
| TomaszD | lcuk, nothing is misplaced, it's just that fields are missing, and the description says nothing | 19:52 |
| Damion2 | MohammadAG: it doesn't play the .vmc I downloaded, I'll see if there is an up to date vmx file | 19:53 |
| lcuk | ahh descriptions i know about for mine, i never dug into making an icon for my apps in app manager either yet | 19:53 |
| lcuk | i know its possible tho | 19:53 |
| TomaszD | e.g. if you want a nice readable name for your product, you need to use XB-Maemo-Display-Name field in debian/control | 19:53 |
| lcuk | Damion2, did oyu get both parts, i remember the sdk images used to be 2 files | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | they are | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | .001 and .002 | 19:54 |
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| TomaszD | lcuk, I've added some info in jebba's docs here http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Package_Building_HOWTO#debian.2Fcontrol | 19:54 |
| TomaszD | if you need any info just ask | 19:54 |
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| lcuk | TomaszD, great thanks thats a great resource :) | 19:54 |
| Damion2 | lcuk: I'm not running some shell script as root on my desktop, so I'm going to use vmware, however rather than install some stock dist and then install the sdk stuff, I'm going to get the ready made virtual machine image. Unfortunately the one which looked like the latest release was not for vmware | 19:55 |
| TomaszD | lcuk, np | 19:55 |
| tybollt | hmm | 19:55 |
| tybollt | setting up mfe | 19:55 |
| tybollt | I only get the option of imp or pop, is that right? | 19:55 |
| lcuk | Damion2, once you go from the beaten path things are always hairy, please report and try to enlighten your actions somewhere noticable so others can follow | 19:56 |
| Damion2 | what is the beaten path? using virtualbox ? | 19:56 |
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| TomaszD | vbox works fine | 19:56 |
| lcuk | just installing the sdk the normal way | 19:56 |
| lcuk | either within a vm | 19:56 |
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| lcuk | or on your system | 19:57 |
| Damion2 | lcuk: yeah but somebody has already done that and put a virtual image on maemo.org | 19:57 |
| Damion2 | okay I'll stick a stock linux on it, shouldn't take that long | 19:57 |
| lcuk | yeah theres been images for at least 2 years now | 19:57 |
| lucas | hi, is that the channel to ask questions about N900? :-) | 19:57 |
| jebba | y | 19:57 |
| Damion2 | lucas: yes | 19:57 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: hrrm, any idea of an ETA? | 19:57 |
| Damion2 | lcuk: they're old then, I'll do it fresh | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: no | 19:57 |
| lucas | I'm trying to use pnatd to issue USSD commands. but I stupidly can't find how to exit pnatd | 19:58 |
| lcuk | reasonable enough, i thought it had been updated, oviously not - Damion2 any chance you could have a dig through bugs.maemo.org and see if anyone filed a bug, your issue sounds familiar | 19:58 |
| lcuk | and it might be around | 19:58 |
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| jebba | lucas: you could try doing USSD commands with ofono too :) | 19:59 |
| lucas | jebba: that would be easier? | 20:00 |
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| pupnik | yes thanks for the wiki | 20:03 |
| jophish | Is it possible to set bash as the default shell in fremantle | 20:03 |
| jebba | lucas: doubt it would be easier. may be more interesting ;) | 20:04 |
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| jophish | by installing bash, and changing /etc/passwd for root and user | 20:04 |
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| hrw | ~hail n900 | 20:05 |
| * infobot bows down to n900 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 20:05 | |
| hrw | nevermind what I choose it always to usb/pcsuite | 20:05 |
| hrw | jophish: chsh is more proper way to do that | 20:05 |
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| jophish | hrw, so just running that should sort things out. And has anyone else done that, will it break in new and unexpected ways? | 20:06 |
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| wazd | infobot, you're back pal! | 20:07 |
| pupnik | Flandry: ping? | 20:07 |
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| jophish | so chsh -s /bin/bash shold do the trick | 20:07 |
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| Flandry | Pong | 20:08 |
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| lcuk | hrw, fosdem this year? | 20:09 |
| jophish | hrw, seems like there is no /etc/shells file | 20:09 |
| Flandry | What's up pupnik? | 20:09 |
| hrw | lcuk: yes | 20:10 |
| lcuk | cool, cya there! | 20:10 |
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| jophish | ah, seems like anything but sh will brick the device | 20:11 |
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| hrw|gone | bye | 20:11 |
| chun | Hi, wonder if anyone can help me: can I share my laptop's internet connection with my n900 using bluetooth? | 20:11 |
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| CShadowRun | ^ Also was about to ask that same question but for wifi | 20:17 |
| CShadowRun | only in reverse | 20:17 |
| * Arkenoi wonders why there is no way to have more than one address book in smartphones. It is quite natural to have your business contacts separated from private ones. Groups with priorities and separate sync will do as well.. | 20:17 | |
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| dvoid_ | anyone know where i can get a slide-to-unlock thingy? | 20:19 |
| moo-_- | Arkenoi: very good idea1 | 20:19 |
| moo-_- | ! | 20:19 |
| moo-_- | how about filing a suggestion / idea / brainstorm | 20:19 |
| andre__ | dvoid_, by clicking the powerbutton once when the screen is in Touchscreen&Keyboard lock? | 20:19 |
| moo-_- | I can be the guy at the last row supporting the idea | 20:19 |
| dvoid_ | andre__, huh | 20:20 |
| andre__ | oh cool, lcuk and hrw at fosdem too? yay :) | 20:20 |
| Arkenoi | moo: i probably will | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | battery low | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG | ~curse 1320mAh battery | 20:24 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, 1320mAh battery ! | 20:24 |
| dvoid_ | still dont get it, how do i switch from using the unlock button, to using onscreen slide-to-unlock? | 20:24 |
| chun | ok, so lock your screen, then press the power button once | 20:25 |
| dvoid_ | and then what? | 20:25 |
| lucas | can the N900 do video calls over XMPP? | 20:25 |
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| dvoid_ | but wtf, i dont want to do that all the time | 20:25 |
| dvoid_ | hum | 20:26 |
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| dvoid_ | but i guess it would be bad if the screen was on, all the time | 20:27 |
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| andre__ | dvoid_, ah, want to ruin your battery completely instead. I see :) | 20:28 |
| dvoid_ | ;) | 20:28 |
| andre__ | try turning off screen diming? ;-) | 20:28 |
| andre__ | lucas, I think the answer is "not yet" | 20:28 |
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| mtd | dvoid_: power button double-click to lock, or slide the bottom slide switch...to unlock, slide the bottom slide switch again OR double-click the power button and slide on-screen slider. | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | double click to lock, same to unlock, it's not hard | 20:31 |
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| chun | Can I have my n900 use my laptop's internet connection if it's connected via usb? | 20:33 |
| slops17 | is any one having a problem opening the maemo_ubuntu_intrepid_desktop_sdk_virtual_image_final.7z from the website | 20:33 |
| slops17 | i cant unzip | 20:34 |
| slops17 | and have downloaded twice | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | using 7zip? | 20:34 |
| odin_ | can you sha1sum or md5sum it ? | 20:34 |
| slops17 | i am on ubuntu | 20:34 |
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| slops17 | doing the md5sum now | 20:34 |
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| slops17 | this is the md5sum i get | 20:36 |
| slops17 | 8efc6d710d5a8b3c6f7658336de2c533 | 20:36 |
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| MohammadAG | slops17, well compare it with the one listed on the site | 20:37 |
| odin_ | a59e1a32a972672fbd34f8b38835732e | 20:37 |
| odin_ | is in the MD5SUM file | 20:37 |
| slops17 | yeah got it | 20:37 |
| slops17 | does not match | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | redownload it | 20:37 |
| slops17 | i did the download straight fromt he site | 20:37 |
| slops17 | i did twice | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | problem with your line? | 20:38 |
| slops17 | not that i am awear | 20:38 |
| slops17 | it a t1 at work | 20:38 |
| slops17 | and its been steady | 20:38 |
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| jefferai | Hi guys. New n900 user here. Is there a way (plugin/app/whatever) to adjust the user-agent string used by MicroB (or maybe using the newly-released firefox mobile)? | 20:41 |
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| kamui | sup pimpsicles! | 20:41 |
| kamui | I succeeded in building THAT which makes us all happy | 20:42 |
| slops17 | MohammadAG, suggestions? | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | slops17 torrent it? at least you'll get it checked while downloading | 20:42 |
| kamui | Ufo Alien Invasion | 20:42 |
| kamui | unfortunately, It seems that I have a fixation on OpenGL apps :) | 20:43 |
| slops17 | MohammadAG, u have a link for it is it fromt he website or elsewhere | 20:44 |
| odin_ | slops17, try wget: wget --save-cookies=cookies.txt --keep-session-cookies "--post-data=agree=I+accept" "http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php" && wget --load-cookies=cookies.txt http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | i'm not sure if it's even on a tracker | 20:45 |
| slops17 | k thanks odin_ ill try now | 20:45 |
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| kamui | pupnik, | 20:47 |
| kamui | where art thou | 20:47 |
| pupnik | what | 20:47 |
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| MohammadAG | any suggestions for fixing the keyboard light leak? | 20:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | duct tape | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | it's very annoying and the bar is bent upwards | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | dissasemble, and reassemble. | 20:48 |
| odin_ | is there an easy way to do a "dpkg-buildpackage clean" ? i.e. I don't want to build, I just want to clean like "-uc" does but without building | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Or pracitcally, report it to nokia care. | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | i'll use the former | 20:49 |
| odin_ | opp I meant -tc | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | can i disassemble the front keyboard without removing the screen? | 20:49 |
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| MohammadAG | is the part surrounding the keyboard called qwerty cover assy? | 21:00 |
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| MbnbohammadAG | :/ | 21:03 |
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| pupnik | open("/dev/dsp", O_WRONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 21:06 |
| pupnik | open("/dev/mixer", O_WRONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 21:06 |
| pupnik | boo. hiss | 21:06 |
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| RST38h | no shit sherlock | 21:07 |
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| * pupnik stamps his foot like a 5 year old | 21:11 | |
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| embedded | Hi to all | 21:21 |
| embedded | who uses dpkg-buildpackage to generate DEB for Maemo5? | 21:22 |
| xorAxAx | nobody, most people are using a hexeditor to build the packge | 21:23 |
| embedded | a hexeditor??? | 21:23 |
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| MohammadAG | o.o | 21:24 |
| mrmg | haha | 21:24 |
| CShadowRun | lol | 21:24 |
| embedded | :D | 21:24 |
| thresh | i do | 21:24 |
| mrmg | xorAxAx++ | 21:24 |
| thresh | why, is there any other way? | 21:24 |
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| CShadowRun | How easy is it to wifi tether (use the N900 as a 3g router) ? | 21:28 |
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| CShadowRun | I'm seeing various posts which are like "Do ninja stuff with dnsmasq and iptables" which is scaring me | 21:28 |
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| embedded | well..I have generated a deb package with dpkg-buildpackage tool | 21:29 |
| embedded | but it cuts off my control file in debian folder | 21:29 |
| embedded | it gives me these warnings | 21:30 |
| embedded | dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Maemo-Display-Name' in input data in package's section of control info file | 21:30 |
| embedded | dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Bugtracker' in input data in package's section of control info file | 21:30 |
| embedded | dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Maemo-Icon-26' in input data in package's section of control info file | 21:30 |
| embedded | who knows how to solve this issue? | 21:30 |
| embedded | pls :) | 21:30 |
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| pupnik | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Package_Building_HOWTO#debian.2Fcontrol | 21:33 |
| pupnik | any issues, let's clear them up there | 21:34 |
| tybollt | hmm | 21:35 |
| tybollt | bizarre | 21:35 |
| tybollt | I recorded this bit w/ my n900 earlier today | 21:35 |
| tybollt | and now when I try to play it in the media player it just throws a "playback error" and exits the clip | 21:36 |
| tybollt | so weird | 21:36 |
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| embedded | pupnik: Many thanks!!! the "XB-" prefix in control file solved my issue :D | 21:39 |
| pupnik | thanks jebba and thomaz | 21:39 |
| embedded | eheh | 21:39 |
| w00t | woo | 21:42 |
| w00t | my connect4 game is almost basically playable | 21:42 |
| mikhas | w00t, cool | 21:43 |
| mikhas | short video? | 21:43 |
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| w00t | i'll do better than that, i'll try finish it off by tomorrow night | 21:43 |
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| mikhas | yeah, that's what I always say, too =( | 21:44 |
| w00t | not really a lot left to do, so I might even finish it before tonight ends | 21:44 |
| * w00t takes a screenshot though | 21:44 | |
| w00t | http://w00t.dereferenced.net/connect42.png | 21:46 |
| SpeedEvil | interesting. | 21:47 |
| mikhas | isnt that one won already? | 21:47 |
| w00t | yes | 21:47 |
| mikhas | no banner? | 21:47 |
| w00t | no, that's part of the bits not done yet :) | 21:47 |
| w00t | it calculates that it was won, but doesn't tell you | 21:47 |
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| mikhas | ah | 21:47 |
| LuciusMare | wtf | 21:47 |
| LuciusMare | my gprs data counter shows "downloaded data: 18 mb, uploaded 117 mb" | 21:48 |
| lcuk | w00t, that needs game of life engine ;) | 21:48 |
| mikhas | lcuk, not big enough | 21:48 |
| lcuk | course it is | 21:48 |
| lcuk | you can run GOL on a 2*2 block | 21:49 |
| mikhas | ... | 21:49 |
| lcuk | its just not that interesting | 21:49 |
| mikhas | well yeah | 21:49 |
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| w00t | lcuk: I might write one of those next, for fun# | 21:49 |
| mikhas | GOL screensaving mode for connect4, nice touch | 21:49 |
| w00t | lcuk: I'm actually quite enjoying simple games authoring :P | 21:49 |
| LuciusMare | 1*1 box ^^ | 21:50 |
| lcuk | mikhas, even more fun when you tile entire devices together too | 21:50 |
| w00t | lcuk: I have 2 n900s. don't tempt me. | 21:50 |
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| w00t | (plus this is Qt, so I could run it on a few PCs. :P) | 21:50 |
| lcuk | w00t, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 21:50 |
| lcuk | tempting you.. | 21:50 |
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| w00t | don't dammit | 21:50 |
| w00t | :P | 21:50 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqbase_dualstack.JPG | 21:51 |
| LuciusMare | anyway, i dont remember uploading that much, could it be a bug? | 21:51 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.liqbase.multi.sketch.S6003750.JPG | 21:51 |
| lcuk | go onnnn.... | 21:51 |
| w00t | I'm going to only get mildly insane, anywa | 21:52 |
| w00t | y | 21:52 |
| w00t | connect4 will be playable over internet | 21:52 |
| w00t | already decided that :P | 21:52 |
| lcuk | tp tubes | 21:53 |
| lcuk | for direct p2p | 21:53 |
| w00t | hm? | 21:53 |
| mikhas | lcuk, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP0w9lZoLwU | 21:53 |
| mikhas | re: tiling entire devices =) | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, its cool stuff | 21:55 |
| roue | hola | 21:55 |
| lcuk | ive been thinking about it for a while, i just adore remote undo for sketching | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | remote undo? | 21:56 |
| lcuk | yeah SpeedEvil the last picture i posted | 21:56 |
| lcuk | its 3 tablets | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 21:57 |
| lcuk | when i draw on one, its available on the others on a graffiti wall (or now liqflow screen) | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It's 5C in here - getting to the mouse involves venturing out from under the covers. | 21:57 |
| lcuk | but when i press undo on one it vanishes from all | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | and pidgin can't open links from the keyb | 21:57 |
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| konttori | lcuk: sweet video | 21:57 |
| lcuk | konttori, you havent seen liqflow before? | 21:58 |
| konttori | nope! | 21:58 |
| lcuk | holy crap! | 21:58 |
| * konttori feels ashamed | 21:58 | |
| lcuk | theres me thinking it was old news | 21:58 |
| lcuk | i got it networked as well | 21:58 |
| konttori | cool | 21:58 |
| lcuk | ive been trying to make it work like that video since the summit, but actually tied together | 21:59 |
| lcuk | (before the summit actually) | 21:59 |
| lcuk | so when i draw on one, it draws across all of them | 21:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | Over wifi/... ? | 21:59 |
| lcuk | yeah | 21:59 |
| lcuk | adhoc or router, but its using multicast thing | 22:00 |
| lcuk | liqflow was what i used to test n900 before onedotzero | 22:00 |
| lcuk | konttori, its in extras | 22:00 |
| konttori | imagine if you had a beowulf cluster of those | 22:00 |
| lcuk | before i started working around nokia i even entered the push n900 competition with it http://liqbase.net/nokia_push_front.png | 22:00 |
| lcuk | see picture konttori | 22:00 |
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| konttori | that is so sweet | 22:01 |
| * lcuk nods | 22:02 | |
| konttori | so, will we do it? | 22:02 |
| lcuk | lots of people have remarked its just nice to play with | 22:02 |
| lcuk | already in motion | 22:02 |
| lcuk | literally | 22:02 |
| lcuk | ive got design cover sheet from aSIMULAtor and lindjt designs | 22:02 |
| lcuk | im getting things together | 22:02 |
| lcuk | that was sorted at barcelona lw | 22:03 |
| lcuk | i just dont get much time | 22:03 |
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| * w00t has far too much of it, in some ways | 22:04 | |
| w00t | (can't you tell? connect4? :P) | 22:04 |
| Shapeshifter | mh, I never quite got this liqflow, the devices, are they aware of each other? | 22:04 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, in the video, no thats just human networking | 22:04 |
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| lcuk | to do it properly, they need to have spatial awareness | 22:04 |
| lcuk | ive spoken with lots of people and have a few possible directions | 22:04 |
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| Shapeshifter | so you just draw "lines" on the screens and every machine individually does its thing. | 22:05 |
| lcuk | echo location or barcodes on the screens | 22:05 |
| konttori | control unit could be used to take a picture. | 22:05 |
| Shapeshifter | so it looks kinda as if they were doing it together | 22:05 |
| lcuk | yeah Shapeshifter its easy | 22:05 |
| konttori | it could ask all other units to show different color, and then calculate the spatial positions of all devices. | 22:05 |
| lcuk | and works now when they are held together | 22:05 |
| lcuk | konttori, barcodes work better | 22:05 |
| konttori | really? | 22:05 |
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| lcuk | i spotted this today that i need to look at | 22:05 |
| lcuk | http://www.rojtberg.net/363/ar-shadowmapping-demo/ | 22:05 |
| Shapeshifter | mhhm | 22:05 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:05 |
| lcuk | 2d barcode | 22:05 |
| lcuk | on each screen | 22:06 |
| lcuk | can get size/position and ident | 22:06 |
| konttori | yeah, but to detect all at once | 22:06 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:06 |
| * w00t growls and qobject_cast<>s | 22:06 | |
| konttori | ok, if it works! | 22:06 |
| Shapeshifter | that is brilliant | 22:06 |
| lcuk | konttori, think about cameras now that have facial detection | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | they can detect multiple heads in one shot | 22:06 |
| lcuk | same idea | 22:06 |
| konttori | yeah, not arguing | 22:07 |
| konttori | just thinking of the easiest way to do it. | 22:07 |
| lcuk | well i was gonna look at how that video was done, the AR box base units seems ideal | 22:07 |
| lcuk | but without that, i was going to use a bullseye detection algo | 22:07 |
| lcuk | and show 3 bullseyes on each screen | 22:08 |
| konttori | should be pretty easy to do | 22:08 |
| konttori | (you could still add the color to know device order) | 22:08 |
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| lcuk | yeah, if they were barcodes it would be ideal | 22:09 |
| lcuk | could encode the user name | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | im trying to break the projects up so its easier to manage now | 22:10 |
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| lcuk | but i was going afk, have fun with liqflow tonight, ill talk to you later guys \o | 22:10 |
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| w00t | 0x0000000000404ad5 in GameWindow::checkPress (this=0x0, x=4, y=3) at GameWindow.cpp:109 | 22:14 |
| Mousey | HAPPY GROUNDHOG DAY! | 22:14 |
| w00t | methinks I'm doing it wrong :) | 22:14 |
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| mikhas | w00t, that does not look very heap-y | 22:16 |
| mikhas | look at your this pointer => null | 22:16 |
| florian | re | 22:16 |
| w00t | mikhas: yeah, I know what the problem is, I was mostly just making idle chatter | 22:17 |
| mikhas | so in whichever way you tried to get your GameWindow instance, it probably didnt work =) | 22:17 |
| mikhas | ok | 22:17 |
| w00t | qobject_cast<> came to bite me in the ass ;) | 22:18 |
| mikhas | dont use it | 22:18 |
| w00t | I'm not, anymore | 22:18 |
| ifreq | whats the url for dbus commands / reading dbus | 22:18 |
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| ifreq | nvm. found it | 22:20 |
| Jaffa | re | 22:20 |
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| davyg | heelo i wanted ton install fennec on my n900 but when i add from mozilla webpage i get that fennec is not present in the rep and when i make an apt-get update i have some error with the mozilla rep | 22:20 |
| Jaffa | Anyone know, before I search, if "maemo-* mailing list archives on lists.maemo.org don't update" is a known issue? | 22:20 |
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| wazd | erm | 22:24 |
| wazd | how can I convert 48x48 package icon into symbols without voodoo? :) | 22:24 |
| Markus23 | wazd: convert? which format is the symbol? | 22:25 |
| Markus23 | why are only 10 secs are played at the wakeup call? | 22:25 |
| wazd | Markus23: png | 22:25 |
| Markus23 | I want the full song to be played | 22:25 |
| davyg | does someone has a link to the good repo and who is sure of this link(mozilla website is quite messy) | 22:25 |
| Markus23 | wazd: why not simply convert myicon.jpg myicon.png | 22:26 |
| Markus23 | maybe with --resize? | 22:26 |
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| wazd | Markus23: I think you didn't get what I mean :) | 22:28 |
| wazd | Markus23: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Displaying_an_icon_in_the_Application_Manager_next_to_your_package | 22:28 |
| Markus23 | obviously :-) | 22:29 |
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| * RST38h does not get it: why does http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0491661/ use Russian military trucks and APCs when events occur in the US? | 22:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Cheaper to get ahold of? | 22:38 |
| RST38h | Have they bought Red Dawn leftovers or what? | 22:38 |
| RST38h | General: But it looks fucking weird. | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it is a made for TV movie | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, judging by the rating, an awful one. | 22:39 |
| wazd | anybody with scratchbox, can you please convert me an image? :) | 22:39 |
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| wazd | that one > http://s004.radikal.ru/i206/1002/6f/f19af79be7c5.png | 22:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Convert into? | 22:40 |
| wazd | base64 | 22:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Can't you do that in XP? | 22:41 |
| RST38h | General: yea, it is a generic shitty horror movie | 22:41 |
| wazd | nm | 22:41 |
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| jefferai | Hi guys. New n900 user here. Is there a way (plugin/app/whatever) to adjust the user-agent string used by MicroB (or maybe using the newly-released firefox mobile)? | 23:02 |
| pupnik | good question for timeless_mbp | 23:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember an app in extras-devel to do that | 23:03 |
| mtnbkr | jefferai: prety sure I saw one in the Application Manager - But I have extras and extras-testing repos enabled on mine | 23:05 |
| Damion2 | you can type about:config | 23:05 |
| mtnbkr | s/testing/devel :) | 23:05 |
| Damion2 | then type user | 23:06 |
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| Damion2 | it'll start to search and find the user agent string to change | 23:06 |
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| * timeless_mbp looks up | 23:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | jefferai: "yes" | 23:10 |
| timeless_mbp | there's an entire pref key space available for adding strings | 23:10 |
| timeless_mbp | general.useragent.extra.__whatever_you_are__ "WhateverYouAre/1.3" | 23:11 |
| timeless_mbp | please note that the ua spec demands your token be of the form Foo/2.5 | 23:11 |
| timeless_mbp | adding spaces is in violation of the spec | 23:11 |
| timeless_mbp | (yes, microb violates the spec) | 23:12 |
| jefferai | Hrm. It'd be nice if there was something that could do it in a predefined way (yes, I know that means, maybe I should write it) :-) | 23:14 |
| jefferai | make it easy to switch on the fly, without having to know what you want to switch it to | 23:14 |
| jefferai | or remember what it was | 23:14 |
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| uhsf | it's like Engadget finally fulfilled my dream about an Apple free electronics news website. 5years of non-stop rant comments eventually paid off. http://www.engadget.com/exclude/apple/ | 23:18 |
| asj_ | uhsf: but right the top is "Iphone OS" and "Apple Ipad" | 23:19 |
| lcuk | yet you advertise apple every time you mention it | 23:19 |
| lcuk | ironic isnt it | 23:19 |
| * GeneralAntilles notes that Ziegler never responded to my email about his N900 review. | 23:19 | |
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| uhsf | asj_: there is stylish or adblock for this. the important thing is the atom/rss feed minus everything Apple. | 23:21 |
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| * w00t frankly doesn't understand people continuing to use sites they don't like | 23:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, all gadget news sites suck. | 23:22 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: you have a blog somewhere, no? | 23:22 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: that's why I avoid all of them | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Engadget just happens to have a decent level of coverage for the most part. | 23:22 |
| mtnbkr | lol and this just in (on slashdot) http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/02/1827219 | 23:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Plus, Engadget used to NOT SUCK. | 23:23 |
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| uhsf | lcuk: I don't think mentionning the /exclude/apple/ url advertises for Apple. it's more of an anti-Apple statement. | 23:23 |
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| wazd | hmm | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | After Block left, though, things really went in the shitter. | 23:23 |
| wazd | can't add image code to control | 23:23 |
| wazd | error: syntax error in marina/debian/control at line 32: block lacks a package field | 23:24 |
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| wazd | oh, nm | 23:24 |
| uhsf | mtnbkr: Slashdot had a feature on their website to disable Apple stories for many years now. | 23:25 |
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| uhsf | the only problem is that blocking a topic on the website doesn't work for the news feed so that's why i visit the homepage directly and don't use their feed. | 23:26 |
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| mtnbkr | uhsf: heh, yeah I know about the disable sections option... I just thought it a bit humorus that right after reading the engadget comments here I swtiched to my web desktop and that was the first thing I saw. :) | 23:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | w00t: i do | 23:35 |
| timeless_mbp | viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/ | 23:35 |
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| w00t | timeless_mbp: cool, ta | 23:36 |
| timeless_mbp | jefferai: EWTF? | 23:36 |
| timeless_mbp | jefferai: what are you trying to do? | 23:36 |
| timeless_mbp | the question was "how do i add to the useragent" | 23:36 |
| * ifreq built voice synth for N900 and now reading /var/log | 23:36 | |
| timeless_mbp | not "how do i break the useragent" | 23:36 |
| ifreq | :) | 23:36 |
| ifreq | if anyone test ive got precompiled binary +opt on my site | 23:36 |
| pupnik | what | 23:37 |
| pupnik | espeak seems to be on my tablet now | 23:37 |
| jefferai | timeless_mbp: no, the question is really along the lines of "I want to be able to make it look like a mobile browser, not a full desktop browser" | 23:37 |
| jefferai | and "but I also want to switch back and forth, so I need to remember the original user agent, so it'd be nice to have a toggle/app somewhere to do this" | 23:38 |
| timeless_mbp | jefferai: there's an addon that breaks the browser that way already | 23:38 |
| ifreq | pupnik: ah something on repos? | 23:38 |
| ifreq | seemst o be quite same as flite | 23:38 |
| jefferai | timeless_mbp: I saw one on some garage page somewhere, but when I added it it said it wasn't compatible with that version of microb | 23:38 |
| timeless_mbp | jefferai: general.useragent.override is the pref you could set | 23:38 |
| ifreq | i wonder can i "talk" with synth on incoming call | 23:38 |
| timeless_mbp | but please note that it doesn't last very long | 23:38 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's terribly rude | 23:38 |
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| jefferai | timeless_mbp: yeah, I know about that pref...but it misses the point | 23:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | which is what exactly? | 23:39 |
| jefferai | the point is to not have to keep typing it in manually, and to have to remember the various settings that make it work | 23:39 |
| timeless_mbp | you can also add a listener to the docloader service and rewrite the useragent http header | 23:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | jefferai: eWTF | 23:39 |
| jefferai | ? | 23:39 |
| timeless_mbp | do you want to write an extension | 23:39 |
| timeless_mbp | or are you a user? | 23:39 |
| timeless_mbp | i was pretty sure you were asking as an extension author | 23:40 |
| jefferai | unsure at this point :-) | 23:40 |
| jefferai | ah | 23:40 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're a user, go pay someone to be an author | 23:40 |
| jefferai | no, I've never written a firefox/microb extension | 23:40 |
| jefferai | I'm a developer, just never done firefox development | 23:40 |
| timeless_mbp | they really aren't that hard | 23:40 |
| jefferai | probably | 23:40 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, go look at how the useragent switchers for firefox work | 23:40 |
| jefferai | but there's not much point duplicating work | 23:40 |
| timeless_mbp | there's probably even one for fennec | 23:40 |
| jefferai | which is why I was asking if such a thing existed | 23:40 |
| jefferai | timeless_mbp: yeah, maybe there is, but I couldn't find it | 23:40 |
| jefferai | hence, my asking in here if anyone knew if there was one | 23:40 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry | 23:41 |
| jefferai | since I would imagine it might be something people would want pretty commonly | 23:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i missed the bit about you being a 'user' | 23:41 |
| timeless_mbp | people shouldn't be directing users to me | 23:41 |
| * timeless_mbp slaps pupnik | 23:41 | |
| jefferai | who said I'm a user? | 23:41 |
| w00t | http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1716/03c8f5e44a0f41219a070cc68090e32e.jpg | 23:41 |
| timeless_mbp | [11:02pm] <jefferai> Hi guys. New n900 user here. | 23:41 |
| w00t | that was easy :-) | 23:42 |
| jefferai | Yes. I am new to n900. | 23:42 |
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| jefferai | The reason I have a n900 is to do development work on it. | 23:42 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: i think you have the wrong grid size | 23:42 |
| jefferai | The scope of which is not currently writing Firefox/MicroB plugins. | 23:42 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: I do, it'll be customisable | 23:42 |
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| w00t | (as will the win condition) | 23:43 |
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| jefferai | timeless_mbp: so in that sense, we're all users | 23:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | w00t: it's supposed to be 7 across 6 up | 23:43 |
| pupnik | If websites don't do crazy/evil stuff based on useragent, then there's no problem. | 23:43 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: yup | 23:43 |
| jefferai | pupnik: but some users do | 23:44 |
| jefferai | err | 23:44 |
| jefferai | websites | 23:44 |
| jefferai | and additionally, on small screens it can be much nicer to use mobile versions of sites | 23:44 |
| jefferai | which are often based on user agent | 23:44 |
| pupnik | yes | 23:44 |
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| pupnik | i like having control of useragent | 23:45 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: ping | 23:45 |
| VDVsx | pong | 23:45 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: Seen http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=506840#post506840 about publicising problems people might encounter with some of the Ovi apps | 23:45 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, nop | 23:46 |
| * VDVsx checks | 23:46 | |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, I'll take a look later, gtg now :) | 23:47 |
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| wazd | erm | 23:48 |
| ifreq | humm | 23:48 |
| wazd | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/hildon-theme-marina_1.04/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt | 23:49 |
| wazd | can anybody translate this to me? :) | 23:49 |
| mikhas | w00t, do you intent to include, you know, *animations*? for the *wow* effect? =) | 23:49 |
| w00t | mikhas: yes, especially if I learn how to do them | 23:49 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: ta | 23:49 |
| w00t | I'm aware it's not exactly pretty as is ;) | 23:49 |
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| mikhas | animations in Qt can hold a lot of performance surprises for you, unless you go fullscreen ... | 23:50 |
| w00t | mikhas: I've no doubt, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it :) | 23:51 |
| jefferai | mikhas: do tell -- I've not used Qt on n900 yet | 23:51 |
| mikhas | hehehe, yeah =) | 23:51 |
| jefferai | Issues that I've seen on the desktop are generally due to crappy video drivers | 23:51 |
| jefferai | (for instance, fixed by using the raster graphicssystem backend) | 23:51 |
| mikhas | jefferai, yup. I have no idea why the raster backend isnt the default already | 23:52 |
| jefferai | I believe on a lot of distros it now is, now that it's less buggy in 4.6 | 23:52 |
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| jefferai | for instance, I just noticed my compositing KDE performance in Arch seem to suddenly shoot up after a recent upgrade | 23:53 |
| mikhas | ah, I see. havent tested the 4.5 version of it | 23:53 |
| jefferai | too early to tell for sure... | 23:53 |
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| pupnik_ | ahh more qt devs yaay | 23:53 |
| jefferai | mikhas: I did get strongly yelled at one time for creating an Ubuntu packge that was Qt simply with the raster backend by default | 23:53 |
| jefferai | got a graphics ninja haivng an anneurism about it | 23:54 |
| jefferai | saying that this just hides the problem, the graphics drivers won't get fixed if people go around it, etc. | 23:54 |
| jefferai | it's like -- I've been waiting for three years for my graphics drivers to get fixed. Fuck that, I want performance. | 23:54 |
| mikhas | lol, nice | 23:54 |
| w00t | pupnik_: pft, I never got that enthusiastic reaction :< | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn Qt devs. | 23:58 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: pfft | 23:59 |
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